Day 1.5: Where we arrived again?

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

It's an insult. Since there is 0 reason to defend against something which isn't a logical offense. Or in other words. Step up your game.

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So what is your excuse for the use of these words:

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Originally Posted by Boa Hancock

You are just another tool which i will use to see my faction and it's allies win this.

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You also must have missed this:

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Originally Posted by Big Mom

Excuse the double post but this is a defense based on ad hominem which is a logical fallicy and does not serve as a suitable defense.
You cannot hope to argue against someone, in your own defense, by attacking the other person.

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Originally Posted by FM Tony Tony Chopper

I don't like how Caribou is behaving exactly the same as Kuma from the previous game as if he wants us to believe he is the same role as before.

What is everyone's opinions on Foxy or other low-mid posters? I expect a lot of faction members will fall into this category and I believe Foxy to be a better person to pressure than Zoro who posts a lot anyway.

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I didn't forgot them either... Foxy, Apoo, robin? (Must check posts again to make sure)
They are lurking and are worth my attention too

-vote FM Scratchmen Apoo

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Originally Posted by FM Big Mom

In case you people forgot.
Scratchman Apoo made one post and then disappeared

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Look above

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Originally Posted by FM Big Mom

Boa needs to pay more attention.
Oh also this:

-vote FM Boa Hancock

Her words indicate that she has a night chat, from what I see, and as such I am confident in voting her as she is here.

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Her words do not indicate that she have a night chat... she said she have a faction. Town is a faction too.
Note that I'm not taking her defence here, I'm a little suspicious too but you can't say thing that she didn't say.

Perhaps I should rephrase myself so that I can be fully understood for those that are much more insightful than I.

The words

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You are just another tool

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Insinuate manipulation which does not correlate with the fundamental basis, theoretically, of a towns perspective.
Following this with the phrase

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i will use to see my faction and it's allies win this.

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Can be viewed as a further insinuation of manipulation and also bespeak of being something other than town. {The greens guys just to be clear}

Since I read this and you have the inclination to disregard others and insult their attempts I cannot see you being a town in any existing world, with the information I have and using inductive logic.

{If this is a double post then please excuse it.}

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Originally Posted by FM Straw Hat Luffy

I didn't forgot them either... Foxy, Apoo, robin? (Must check posts again to make sure)
They are lurking and are worth my attention too

-vote FM Scratchmen Apoo

Look above



Her words do not indicate that she have a night chat... she said she have a faction. Town is a faction too.
Note that I'm not taking her defence here, I'm a little suspicious too but you can't say thing that she didn't say.

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I believe I miss spoke. See above.

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Originally Posted by FM Big Mom

Perhaps I should rephrase myself so that I can be fully understood for those that are much more insightful than I.

The words

Insinuate manipulation which does not correlate with the fundamental basis, theoretically, of a towns perspective.
Following this with the phrase

Can be viewed as a further insinuation of manipulation and also bespeak of being something other than town. {The greens guys just to be clear}

Since I read this and you have the inclination to disregard others and insult their attempts I cannot see you being a town in any existing world, with the information I have and using inductive logic.

{If this is a double post then please excuse it.}

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Make more sense now. This is what I call a nice and logical post analysis.
I'm with you on this but I'll keep my vote on Apoo for now.

And this is exactly where you are wrong. You think your way of thinking is the only one there is. You don't even bother to see it out of more than your own perspective. Which in fact makes you believe you should step up your game or come down from your high horse. One or the other please.

Thank you.

-unvote

quite possible he is really only a Citizen

-vote FM Scratchmen Apoo

we have to unite our votes a bit, it won't work if everyone votes for someone else

Hey now. Let's not forget about Kuma.
This fiend has done nothing so far but impersonate Caribou's old identity.

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Originally Posted by FM Bartholomew Kuma

Kuma thinks that Journalist is dead either way.
Lynched today or shot tonight.

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(Lynching the journalist?)

Just putting that out there. We have, sadly, MANY one post wonders.

@ Big Mom

I compromised and went with Apoo instead of Foxy so can you do the same and re-vote Apoo. At the moment votes are spread too thinly to pressure anyone.

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

And this is exactly where you are wrong. You think your way of thinking is the only one there is. You don't even bother to see it out of more than your own perspective. Which in fact makes you believe you should step up your game or come down from your high horse. One or the other please.

Thank you.

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Again. More use of ad hominem and complete rejection of anothers attempts.
How can you, being town, completely shut down someone else in this manner?
If there is some, real and logical, reason for why I am wrong other than this continuous belligerence from you than please share it so we can move on from the spotlight you are attracting to yourself, after I shone it on you.
{Side Notes: I do not believe my way of thinking is the only way. This is a place holder as I am forced to be leaving for real life duties.}

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Originally Posted by FM Tony Tony Chopper

@ Big Mom

I compromised and went with Apoo instead of Foxy so can you do the same and re-vote Apoo. At the moment votes are spread too thinly to pressure anyone.

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{Side note: Apprantly now I shall be using this as a placeholder.}
IMO it is better to pressure someone here than someone absent.

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Originally Posted by FM Big Mom

Again. More use of ad hominem and complete rejection of anothers attempts.
How can you, being town, completely shut down someone else in this manner?
If there is some, real and logical, reason for why I am wrong other than this continuous belligerence from you than please share it so we can move on from the spotlight you are attracting to yourself, after I shone it on you.
{Side Notes: I do not believe my way of thinking is the only way. This is a place holder as I am forced to be leaving for real life duties.}

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Because i don't think you are useful to town. I think you are better silenced than hurting us in the long run, despite your faction.

Lurkerlist:

FM Bartholomew Kuma - 1 post
FM Basil Hawkins - 4 posts
FM Blackbeard - 2 posts
FM Capone Bege - 0?
FM Cat Thief Nami - 1 post
FM Crocodile - 0
FM Cyborg Franky - 1 post
FM Donquixote Doflamingo - 7 posts
FM Eustass Kidd - 0?
FM Fire Fist Ace - 11 posts
FM Foxy the Silver Fox - 2 posts
FM Hody Jones - 1 post
FM Jimbei - 0
FM Marco the Phoenix - 2 posts
FM Nico Robin - 1 post
FM Red Haired Shanks - 0
FM Scratchmen Apoo - 2 posts
FM Sogeking - 0
FM Trafalgar Law - 6 posts
FM Urouge - 5 posts
FM X Drake - 1 post

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FM Cyborg Franky
I'm here. Rerolls are queer. Hopefully we don't have to get used to it.
Reading now.

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-vote FM Cyborg Franky

Picked an avatar. Implies he has interest in the game. Did one single post. 20 hours later. No reaction on anything.
Remember this was the time when it looked like FM Whitebeard might getting himself lynched.
This guy surely just tried to hide the day out.

Pretty strong Pirates candidate.

eustass kid has 19 posts or so

SogeKing reporting in late. I have a lot of reading to do. Looks like I have to to get serious, and not troll this game.

Who am I kidding? I never troll or do I

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Originally Posted by FM Soul King Brook

eustass kid has 19 posts or so

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And 26 for Capone bege.

also, Basil gave a hint about being a town... lets not forget that.

As for the lynch, Franky is a good candidate but can't be presured because he's not here.
So now we must either take a chance with Franky or keep going to acquire more information.
(Hoping that more people will show up to argue)

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Originally Posted by FM Sogeking

SogeKing reporting in late. I have a lot of reading to do. Looks like I have to to get serious, and not troll this game.

Who am I kidding? I never troll or do I

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Once you're done, I would like to hear your opinion on the game so far ;)

And showing up right after your name is on the lurker list is a little suspicious but I'll give you the benifit of the doubt.

Just caught up on everything that has been said since I went to sleep last night. The last couple pages have been filled with bickering which I do not think has benefitted us much other than to show us which players are aggressive, which could hint at their alignment, though it's too soon to tell.

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

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Although Caribou agrees that at least half of the people on your list would be good pressure candidates, can't we just decide on one person and stick with it? Considering there are already two votes on Apoo, Caribou thinks that this would be a good start. If we want to get something done by the end of the day, then we should probably start rallying together and pressure some of these lurkers. Splitting up like this will do us no good.

-vote FM Scratchmen Apoo

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

Because i don't think you are useful to town. I think you are better silenced than hurting us in the long run, despite your faction.

Lurkerlist:

FM Bartholomew Kuma - 1 post
FM Basil Hawkins - 4 posts
FM Blackbeard - 2 posts
FM Capone Bege - 0?
FM Cat Thief Nami - 1 post
FM Crocodile - 0
FM Cyborg Franky - 1 post
FM Donquixote Doflamingo - 7 posts
FM Eustass Kidd - 0?
FM Fire Fist Ace - 11 posts
FM Foxy the Silver Fox - 2 posts
FM Hody Jones - 1 post
FM Jimbei - 0
FM Marco the Phoenix - 2 posts
FM Nico Robin - 1 post
FM Red Haired Shanks - 0
FM Scratchmen Apoo - 2 posts
FM Sogeking - 0
FM Trafalgar Law - 6 posts
FM Urouge - 5 posts
FM X Drake - 1 post

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

Picked an avatar. Implies he has interest in the game. Did one single post. 20 hours later. No reaction on anything.
Remember this was the time when it looked like FM Whitebeard might getting himself lynched.
This guy surely just tried to hide the day out.

Pretty strong Pirates candidate.

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Interesting analysis. One question though: Why pirate in particular? Could he not be CP9?

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

Because i don't think you are useful to town. I think you are better silenced than hurting us in the long run, despite your faction.

Lurkerlist:

FM Bartholomew Kuma - 1 post
FM Basil Hawkins - 4 posts
FM Blackbeard - 2 posts
FM Capone Bege - 0?
FM Cat Thief Nami - 1 post
FM Crocodile - 0
FM Cyborg Franky - 1 post
FM Donquixote Doflamingo - 7 posts
FM Eustass Kidd - 0?
FM Fire Fist Ace - 11 posts
FM Foxy the Silver Fox - 2 posts
FM Hody Jones - 1 post
FM Jimbei - 0
FM Marco the Phoenix - 2 posts
FM Nico Robin - 1 post
FM Red Haired Shanks - 0
FM Scratchmen Apoo - 2 posts
FM Sogeking - 0
FM Trafalgar Law - 6 posts
FM Urouge - 5 posts
FM X Drake - 1 post

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

Picked an avatar. Implies he has interest in the game. Did one single post. 20 hours later. No reaction on anything.
Remember this was the time when it looked like FM Whitebeard might getting himself lynched.
This guy surely just tried to hide the day out.

Pretty strong Pirates candidate.

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I concur. I want to hear more from all the lurkers / nonposters.
[/vote]FM Cyborg Franky[/vote]

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

Also if i counted correctly, we have 15 or so lurkers on that list. Going by factions that would be ~12 non marine/islanders.

Since my first vote didnt work somehow

-vote FM Scratchmen Apoo

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Originally Posted by FM Dracule Mihawk

Interesting analysis. One question though: Why pirate in particular? Could he not be CP9?

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Of course he could. But since i was a member of the pirates last game. I am still more cought up in the thought process how i would play this out if i were one. It's a matter of psychology.

Caribou will say it again;
We can't divide the votes like this; we won't get anywhere.

Franky or Apoo?

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Originally Posted by Boa Hankcock

Because i don't think you are useful to town. I think you are better silenced than hurting us in the long run, despite your faction.

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This is a really bad excuse. Just because I am FoSing you does not mean I am useless nor does it mean I would hurt the town in the long run.
This is even more ad ad hominem. Why can't you bring a legitimate reason for why I'd be wrong in my FoS of you and stop belittling me for my attempts to try.

You have alos just deflected the FoS onto someone who is not even here, which does not help town at all unless we are lynching.

It is more useful to pressure someone who is here than someone who is not. {I agree that Cyborg is a good FoS target for his lurking though.}
At the moment I am reading you, Boa, as a possible Pirate/Marine. I would like you to continue talking so I can form a reasonable opinion on which you might be. {Which requires you to step down from your pedestal and put yourself in my shoes for a brief moment to try and see why I think so. Or you can begin analysis of the other players and become useful that way. Right now you are only deflecting attention onto someone who is not here which is not a good sign for you}

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

Of course he could. But since i was a member of the pirates last game. I am still more cought up in the thought process how i would play this out if i were one. It's a matter of psychology.

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And you believe this would be different from how you would play as CP9? Could you elaborate on how the psychology differs between the two sides?

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Originally Posted by FM Wet Haired Caribou

Caribou will say it again;
We can't divide the votes like this; we won't get anywhere.

Franky or Apoo?

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If we had to vote one or the other I would suggest Franky based on his post of:

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I'm here. Rerolls are queer. Hopefully we don't have to get used to it.
Reading now.

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Which insinuates an attempt to be active and seemingly town status, if he responds later with his thoughts.

Since he has not I would think he is trying to blend while not being active.

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Originally Posted by FM Big Mom

This is a really bad excuse. Just because I am FoSing you does not mean I am useless nor does it mean I would hurt the town in the long run.
This is even more ad ad hominem. Why can't you bring a legitimate reason for why I'd be wrong in my FoS of you and stop belittling me for my attempts to try.

You have alos just deflected the FoS onto someone who is not even here, which does not help town at all unless we are lynching.

It is more useful to pressure someone who is here than someone who is not. {I agree that Cyborg is a good FoS target for his lurking though.}
At the moment I am reading you, Boa, as a possible Pirate/Marine. I would like you to continue talking so I can form a reasonable opinion on which you might be. {Which requires you to step down from your pedestal and put yourself in my shoes for a brief moment to try and see why I think so. Or you can begin analysis of the other players and become useful that way. Right now you are only deflecting attention onto someone who is not here which is not a good sign for you}

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Do what you think is right. It's just a game. If you think its wise to continue to follow that matter then feel free to do so.
I am pretty sure Cyborg Franky will come back near the end of the day.
While the other candidate looks like another casual citizen/scum candidate. He looks more trolly which lets me believe that he is a more unreliable player when he is town and more of a lurker when he is scum.
Usually my gut feeling is pretty good in FM games.

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Originally Posted by FM Dracule Mihawk

And you believe this would be different from how you would play as CP9? Could you elaborate on how the psychology differs between the two sides?

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They prolly don't. I just didn't thought as far as that. The rules of the classic FM work on them as well. Yeah sure.

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Originally Posted by FM Big Mom

If we had to vote one or the other I would suggest Franky based on his post of:

Which insinuates an attempt to be active and seemingly town status, if he responds later with his thoughts.

Since he has not I would think he is trying to blend while not being active.

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Fair enough. Caribou shall pressure Franky for now; and others should do so, too.

Apologies for Caribou's rather short and unhelpful posts. Caribou has his hands full at home right now, and he is juggling with many things right now.

Aaand Caribou forgot to vote.

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

Do what you think is right. It's just a game. If you think its wise to continue to follow that matter then feel free to do so.
I am pretty sure Cyborg Franky will come back near the end of the day.
While the other candidate looks like another casual citizen/scum candidate. He looks more trolly which lets me believe that he is a more unreliable player when he is town and more of a lurker when he is scum.
Usually my gut feeling is pretty good in FM games.

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Dismissal. But at least you have gotten more polite about it in lieu of blatant insulting.
I agree with you on Apoo. I get the same feel {more or less}

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

They prolly don't. I just didn't thought as far as that. The rules of the classic FM work on them as well. Yeah sure.

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I disagree with this in a way.

allright then it's gonna be franky and not apoo

-vote FM Cybord Franky

I agree with mostly everything said about Apoo and Cyborg and it's in our best interest to pressure Cyborg.

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

now... ;)

My turn now.

-vote Cyborg Franky

It doesn't matter they have both to die so i can win without getting converted. It's still a cult mechanic in my eyes.

Of course you disagree whit this in a way since yeah sure. They have different roles. So they will play them differently. Still they are scum out of my perspective which i can't win with. Since i am T-T-Town.

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

It doesn't matter they have both to die so i can win without getting converted. It's still a cult mechanic in my eyes.

Of course you disagree whit this in a way since yeah sure. They have different roles. So they will play them differently. Still they are scum out of my perspective which i can't win with. Since i am T-T-Town.

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The time between this and your last post with regards to my own I feel inclined to believe you enough for day one.

I dont like cyborgs anyway. It's unnatural.

-vote Cyborg Franky

Nooo I forgot the FM. WHY

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

Luffy is scum, he forgot the FM on his vote!

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

It doesn't matter they have both to die so i can win without getting converted. It's still a cult mechanic in my eyes.

Of course you disagree whit this in a way since yeah sure. They have different roles. So they will play them differently. Still they are scum out of my perspective which i can't win with. Since i am T-T-Town.

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Actually I was thinking as a team they would not play the same way.
The CP9 have to be pro marine until the time comes that the town has been split in two by rebels.
The Pirates have no such restraints.

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Originally Posted by FM Straw Hat Luffy

My turn now.

-vote Cyborg Franky

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Originally Posted by FM Buggy the Clown

I dont like cyborgs anyway. It's unnatural.

-vote Cyborg Franky

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Needs to be FM Cyborg Franky.

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

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Originally Posted by FM Boa Hancock

Because i don't think you are useful to town. I think you are better silenced than hurting us in the long run, despite your faction.

Lurkerlist:

FM Bartholomew Kuma - 1 post
FM Basil Hawkins - 4 posts
FM Blackbeard - 2 posts
FM Capone Bege - 0?
FM Cat Thief Nami - 1 post
FM Crocodile - 0
FM Cyborg Franky - 1 post
FM Donquixote Doflamingo - 7 posts
FM Eustass Kidd - 0?
FM Fire Fist Ace - 11 posts
FM Foxy the Silver Fox - 2 posts
FM Hody Jones - 1 post
FM Jimbei - 0
FM Marco the Phoenix - 2 posts
FM Nico Robin - 1 post
FM Red Haired Shanks - 0
FM Scratchmen Apoo - 2 posts
FM Sogeking - 0
FM Trafalgar Law - 6 posts
FM Urouge - 5 posts
FM X Drake - 1 post

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

Picked an avatar. Implies he has interest in the game. Did one single post. 20 hours later. No reaction on anything.
Remember this was the time when it looked like FM Whitebeard might getting himself lynched.
This guy surely just tried to hide the day out.

Pretty strong Pirates candidate.

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Agreed, we are focusing too mutch on the active players when the lurkers are useally the scums.

-vote Fm Cyborg Franky

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Originally Posted by FM Buggy the Clown

Nooo I forgot the FM. WHY

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

Luffy is scum, he forgot the FM on his vote!

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Not scum... A little mistake thats all

-vote FM Cyborg Franky

-Fixed

FM Cyborg Franky (10):
FM Tony Tony Chopper, FM Fire Fist Ace, FM Buggy the Clown, FM Don Krieg, FM Big Mom, FM Wet Haired Caribou, FM Straw Hat Luffy, FM Soul King Brook, FM Boa Hancock, FM Urouge


I think we can cool it on the votes for now.

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Originally Posted by FM Big Mom

Actually I was thinking as a team they would not play the same way.
The CP9 have to be pro marine until the time comes that the town has been split in two by rebels.
The Pirates have no such restraints.

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I think they all have just to duck and cover at day and kill the strongest opposers at night. Like myself. While trying to get their own guys not lynched. The faction who can pull to stay as neutral as possible until mid/late game will gonna dominate the outcomming.

Goes for all of them but town.

Ok, I just catched up on my reading. I have to take a lot of notes later on, but this is what I have so far.

I think Jewelry could possible be scum who faked journalist, so she could last one more day, and then possible false lynch a person. I think we should pick a target out for her so we get a true confirm. If we do that then there is more likely no BS to come our way. I also doubt that the target is going to get killed because of the risk factor. I also think the target will not lie unless of the same alliance. We should pick the target to reduce this risk.

I think Jewelry Bonney should target Dracule Mihawk because he was the was to find the scum slip.

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Originally Posted by FM Big Mom

Actually I was thinking as a team they would not play the same way.
The CP9 have to be pro marine until the time comes that the town has been split in two by rebels.
The Pirates have no such restraints.

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I see what you're saying, but I think it's a bit flawed. If I'm understanding correctly, you're saying that the CP9 are limited by the fact that they can win with the marines, when in fact the marines would be a very valuable ally to them.

Furthermore, I think saying the Pirates are not similarly affected is also incorrect. Both the CP9 and pirates can win with one side that can also win with town (for pirates, it's the rebels, for CP9, it's the marines) as well as one side that can't win with town (each other). This means the pirates are going to try to find and destroy the marines (while killing town) and the CP9 are going to attempt to take down the rebels (again, while killing town).

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Originally Posted by FM Dracule Mihawk

I see what you're saying, but I think it's a bit flawed. If I'm understanding correctly, you're saying that the CP9 are limited by the fact that they can win with the marines, when in fact the marines would be a very valuable ally to them.

Furthermore, I think saying the Pirates are not similarly affected is also incorrect. Both the CP9 and pirates can win with one side that can also win with town (for pirates, it's the rebels, for CP9, it's the marines) as well as one side that can't win with town (each other). This means the pirates are going to try to find and destroy the marines (while killing town) and the CP9 are going to attempt to take down the rebels (again, while killing town).

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If there weren't the fail night actions like in every game... :)

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Originally Posted by FM Sogeking

Ok, I just catched up on my reading. I have to take a lot of notes later on, but this is what I have so far.

I think Jewelry could possible be scum who faked journalist, so she could last one more day, and then possible false lynch a person. I think we should pick a target out for her so we get a true confirm. If we do that then there is more likely no BS to come our way. I also doubt that the target is going to get killed because of the risk factor. I also think the target will not lie unless of the same alliance. We should pick the target to reduce this risk.

I think Jewelry Bonney should target Dracule Mihawk because he was the was to find the scum slip.

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I've said this before and I'll say it again. No.

Announcing the target in advance takes away their anonymity, which makes them unable to be as honest as they could otherwise be, and potentially paints a target on their back going into the night. Instead, journalist should choose a target and keep it secret from us until tomorrow. Then, once we've read the article they posted, we can determine whether or not she should reveal who wrote it.

If she wants to pick me that's fine, but if she announces my name in advance she may get me killed tonight by scum who don't want me to write it, and even if I survive the article will lose some of its value because I will not be able to say anything that I could not say in the day chat.