Coroner

I have a suggestion that could help alleviate the hatred against Coroner. Even if there is a Janitor/Disguiser, I still find the role totally useless, and so does most of the community.
Don't remove anything the coroner can already do, just add in a "lookout" type ability, meaning that the Coroner can see all players who visited the deceased person the night he/she died.

Before people start objecting to this, let's consider a few points:
#1 - Coroner would receive this information later than a normal lookout because he has to wait a night for someone to die, then another night to examine the body. This would justify the extra information he would get beyond a normal lookout.
#2 - Some will say this would cause problems for the Janitor, but this might make a Janitor consider not using his ability on the first night, as they typically do. This would also give more motivation for the Mafia to kill the Coroner as a legitimate investigative threat.

Though the Coroner can do more, he technically would not start becoming useful until day 3, which would be significant for evil roles to then start claiming Coroner, adding more variety to the game.

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Originally Posted by Kaine

Even if there is a Janitor/Disguiser, I still find the role totally useless, and so does most of the community.

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Your opinion is wrong :D. Coroner is super valuable when there are Janitor/Disguiser/Cults

Also, the ability would instantly find killers/Janitors if they weren't detect immune. It'd make Detect Immune essential, and Detect Immune shouldn't have to be essential for killers or else the save is imba.

This is vastly too powerful.
Also, Orpz is correct that Coroner is, in fact, very valuable role.

So, this idea isn't happening currently, but it sparked some other ideas.

I don't think people realise how strong the coroner allready is. The coroner is useful even if there are no cleaning roles in the game. The coroner could check dead mafia members to see who they visited and then determine who the other mafia members are that way. Or if the godfather or a neutral killer dies and you suspect that he hit a night immune target at some point, you can find out who he failed to kill. Most people just don't know how to use the coroner properly.

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Originally Posted by Numbertwo

I don't think people realise how strong the coroner allready is. The coroner is useful even if there are no cleaning roles in the game. The coroner could check dead mafia members to see who they visited and then determine who the other mafia members are that way. Or if the godfather or a neutral killer dies and you suspect that he hit a night immune target at some point, you can find out who he failed to kill. Most people just don't know how to use the coroner properly.

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This.

The Coroner is by far, the best late-game Investigative role in the entire game.

The Investigator and Sheriff are (usually) limited to vague descriptions, whereas the Lookout and Detective are susceptible to deception.

The Coroner however, has the power of absolute elimination. Assuming that Witches and Bus Drivers aren't in play, the Coroner has the ability to verify invulnerable, converted, and non-Mafia players.

Early game, he's acts like a weaker Detective that only works with dead people, but once the late-game hits and deaths start piling up, he receives a massive flood of information.
Just how useful is he?

Imagine that X the Serial Killer attacked A, B, C, D, and E (who survives). After X's death, Coroner Y can come along and see E is still alive.

However, there are no more Citizens, and D was the last Doctor. Obviously, E is suspicious.

Imagine that Cultist F runs around converting everyone and is killed by 24/7 Angry Old Man Veteran G. Now, Y has complete access to everyone who's been recruited.

The Coroner isn't weak, and if weren't for his early-game weakness, he would be the most overpowered Investigative role in the game.

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Originally Posted by Numbertwo

I don't think people realise how strong the coroner allready is. The coroner is useful even if there are no cleaning roles in the game. The coroner could check dead mafia members to see who they visited and then determine who the other mafia members are that way. Or if the godfather or a neutral killer dies and you suspect that he hit a night immune target at some point, you can find out who he failed to kill. Most people just don't know how to use the coroner properly.

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Ya know, that's something I didn't actually consider. I think you make a good point there. I'll have to rethink my position on that.

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Originally Posted by Kaine

Ya know, that's something I didn't actually consider. I think you make a good point there. I'll have to rethink my position on that.

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Yep, Consorts are the best targets for Coroners, especially if there is a SK in the game.
Each successful block rules out a Mafia member AND an SK (unless they died to SK at night, then it opens other possibilities).
Checking Escorts can rule out SKs (unless they died to SK at night, then it opens other possibilities).
Checking most Mafia can rule out Mafias.

Checking Mafia to confirm non-mafia is very powerful, but to me it is painfully obviously outclassed by the Spy.
While Coroner has the most late-game potential, Spy would earn similar or greater information before late-game became a scenario.

Coroner will be being buffed within the next few hours. Coroner is about to detect the types of roles that visited a player. This will allow it to detect invisible Arsonists, Witches, Framers, separate between Kidnapper/Jailor, and allow Coroner work to confirm the roles on the roles list in addition to being the all-seeing-eye of the graveyard. In the way that Investigator catches scum that make an inappropriate claim, Coroner will most easily detect scum making the obvious claim, especially if they claim any sort of target. It is a hefty buff, but one we think won't destroy any games any more than a traditional investigative role.

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Originally Posted by Slaol

Checking Mafia to confirm non-mafia is very powerful, but to me it is painfully obviously outclassed by the Spy.
While Coroner has the most late-game potential, Spy would earn similar or greater information before late-game became a scenario.

Coroner will be being buffed within the next few hours. Coroner is about to detect the types of roles that visited a player. This will allow it to detect invisible Arsonists, Witches, Framers, separate between Kidnapper/Jailor, and allow Coroner work to confirm the roles on the roles list in addition to being the all-seeing-eye of the graveyard. In the way that Investigator catches scum that make an inappropriate claim, Coroner will most easily detect scum making the obvious claim, especially if they claim any sort of target. It is a hefty buff, but one we think won't destroy any games any more than a traditional investigative role.

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Well, it's official.

The Coroner is now the best late-game and mid-game Investigative role in the game.

My favorite class just got better, and people will still think that it's terrible.

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Originally Posted by cookies4you

My favorite class just got better, and people will still think that it's terrible.

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This. ^ Happy New Years.

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Originally Posted by Slaol

This. ^ Happy New Years.

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Looks like the Coroner has finally surpassed the Mason Leader as the most underrated role in the game.

It's a beautiful sight.

The real problem with coroner is that no one wants it in their games. I have 2900 games played and I doubt I've been coroner more than 10 times.

Coroner is that awkward geek kid at the mafia school.

I still love coroner.

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Originally Posted by Elixir

Coroner is that awkward geek kid at the mafia school.

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Then he grows up to defile dead bodies.

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Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Then he grows up to defile dead bodies.

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And he saves the Town...

By defiling dead bodies...