* * * SC2 Mafia Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46455 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 24th, 2020 07:10 AM Title : lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE just look at this guy, he's unironically suggesting fucking injecting tide pods to cure covid tbh if youre still behind this guy just go ahead and cure yourself by slamming an entire bottle of bleach -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Auteur : Date : April 24th, 2020 10:44 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass not his proudest moment, no - but is it THAT bad? the worst thing you can really say about that is that it's irresponsible to say that on TV without at least warning people. that being said, while the question does seem pretty naive, it isn't a _bad_ question per se. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Auteur : DJarJar Date : April 24th, 2020 11:12 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Wow he actually genuinely wants them to test injecting disinfectant into the lungs. That’s amazing -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Auteur : BananaCucho Date : April 24th, 2020 11:13 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Wow he actually genuinely wants them to test injecting disinfectant into the lungs. That’s amazing Trumpkins, do as your master commands -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Auteur : Voss Date : April 24th, 2020 03:13 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass not his proudest moment, no - but is it THAT bad? the worst thing you can really say about that is that it's irresponsible to say that on TV without at least warning people. that being said, while the question does seem pretty naive, it isn't a _bad_ question per se. The point here is that if you don't have the brains to not tell people to inject their lungs with bleach, you definitely don't have the brains to not tell people to do less dangerous things. For example saying "The Michigan governor is bad!" might lead people to protest maskless at the governor's building which would cause corona virus contagions which could cause death. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Auteur : Voss Date : April 24th, 2020 03:13 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass The point here is that if you don't have the brains to not tell people to inject their lungs with bleach, you definitely don't have the brains to not tell people to do less dangerous things. For example saying "The Michigan governor is bad!" might lead people to protest maskless at the governor's building which would cause corona virus contagions which could cause death. It's pretty fucking bad. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Auteur : DJarJar Date : April 24th, 2020 04:05 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass he issued a statement later claiming it was sarcasm, but I cannot see how that video could possibly be sarcasm That being said, I don't think people supporting trump are all dumbasses. At the end of the day some people will always vote red and some will always vote blue, regardless of the candidate. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : April 24th, 2020 04:27 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass The point here is that if you don't have the brains to not tell people to inject their lungs with bleach, you definitely don't have the brains to not tell people to do less dangerous things. For example saying "The Michigan governor is bad!" might lead people to protest maskless at the governor's building which would cause corona virus contagions which could cause death. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-governors.html Pls pls pls get to elections ASAP... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Auteur : theoneceko Date : April 24th, 2020 04:50 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I doubt anyone is going to start drinking bleach because of what Trump said. In fact, the main consequence of this clip is people bashing Trump and his supporters. Trump didn't even explicitly suggest Americans drink bleach. This is a press conference, not an official message to the public. He was suggesting that somebody TEST disinfectants. Of course that sounds stupid initially, since injecting Tide Pods is a "cure" that originated from Facebook, but it's just a suggestion. No need to freak out over this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Auteur : Date : April 24th, 2020 04:52 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I doubt anyone is going to start drinking bleach because of what Trump said. In fact, the main consequence of this clip is people bashing Trump and his supporters. Trump didn't even explicitly suggest Americans drink bleach. This is a press conference, not an official message to the public. He was suggesting that somebody test disinfectants. Of course that's stupid, but it's just a suggestion. No need to freak out over this. i agree. It’s what bothers me about this entire thing -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Auteur : DJarJar Date : April 24th, 2020 04:59 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I doubt anyone is going to start drinking bleach because of what Trump said. In fact, the main consequence of this clip is people bashing Trump and his supporters. Trump didn't even explicitly suggest Americans drink bleach. This is a press conference, not an official message to the public. He was suggesting that somebody TEST disinfectants. Of course that sounds stupid initially, since injecting Tide Pods is a "cure" that originated from Facebook, but it's just a suggestion. No need to freak out over this. I think the thing is, that him suggesting this as a possible cure they should research, is just a great soundbite of him sounding stupid AS FUCK. No, he was not telling people to do it, but he was asking scientists to look into it. It's just an example of him being undeniably stupid as hell, which a lot of people are jumping on because many of his supporters say he's a genius. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Auteur : theoneceko Date : April 24th, 2020 05:03 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I think the thing is, that him suggesting this as a possible cure they should research, is just a great soundbite of him sounding stupid AS FUCK. No, he was not telling people to do it, but he was asking scientists to look into it. It's just an example of him being undeniably stupid as hell, which a lot of people are jumping on because many of his supporters say he's a genius. He is a BIG BRAIN THO. AND EVEN BIGGER COCK!! As usual, aamirus sums things up quite nicely. UwU. UWU JAR JAR!! OWO JAR JAR. Lmao let's develop a tide pod vaccine -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Auteur : Date : April 24th, 2020 05:52 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass He is a BIG BRAIN THO. AND EVEN BIGGER COCK!! As usual, aamirus sums things up quite nicely. UwU. UWU JAR JAR!! OWO JAR JAR. Lmao let's develop a tide pod vaccine Fuck that, MMS is the way to go. Combined with injecting smoke from burning 5G towers into your bloodstream -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Auteur : Frog Date : April 24th, 2020 05:56 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I think the thing is, that him suggesting this as a possible cure they should research, is just a great soundbite of him sounding stupid AS FUCK. No, he was not telling people to do it, but he was asking scientists to look into it. It's just an example of him being undeniably stupid as hell, which a lot of people are jumping on because many of his supporters say he's a genius. Normally people in leadership have to watch what they say the most because there are consequences to public statements. This has been a repeatable pattern for this dude; Having no concern for consequences of turd brainstorming sessions while in a position that affects the literal lives of hundreds of millions of people is just one more example to add to the very long list. If you're still empathizing with this dude, I dunno mate. You do you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Auteur : rumox Date : April 24th, 2020 07:39 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass We had our chief medical officer make a statement urging Australians not to inject disinfectant so his blunders echo further than just the USA. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Auteur : Helz Date : April 24th, 2020 07:44 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass My favorite way to search for news right now is to use the -trump modifier on google. It cuts out all the political bullshit from both the right and the left, leaving raw news surprisingly well. There is just so much toxic hatred in politics now I just dont understand why people go out of their way to keep it in their life. It just divides us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Auteur : Kenny Date : April 24th, 2020 07:51 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Imagine the I told you so if scientists tried and it actually worked -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Auteur : Date : April 24th, 2020 07:59 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass My favorite way to search for news right now is to use the -trump modifier on google. It cuts out all the political bullshit from both the right and the left, leaving raw news surprisingly well. There is just so much toxic hatred in politics now I just dont understand why people go out of their way to keep it in their life. It just divides us. This is something that pisses me off to no end. Whenever I try to find a news source that at least SEEMS to be neutral, it’s either anti-Trump or pro-Trump. I just want to read the newspaper without any bs shoved down my throat... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Auteur : Date : April 24th, 2020 08:01 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass And thing is, it’s not just biased: it’s extremely biased, to the point of either demonizing Trump or telling you how amazing he is (or bad his opponents are). I actually think the main concern news outlets have nowadays is to tell you what you want to hear. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Auteur : Voss Date : April 24th, 2020 08:23 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavirus-trump.html 1 minute soundbite if anyone's interested. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Auteur : theoneceko Date : April 24th, 2020 08:57 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass This is a huge shitshow. (Yes, I know I contributed to it UwU) Also, it appears Trump was massively trolled LMAO https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : April 24th, 2020 09:54 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I think the thing is, that him suggesting this as a possible cure they should research, is just a great soundbite of him sounding stupid AS FUCK. No, he was not telling people to do it, but he was asking scientists to look into it. It's just an example of him being undeniably stupid as hell, which a lot of people are jumping on because many of his supporters say he's a genius. ^^^^^^^^ It's not THAT BAD, I doubt anyone would actually inject themselves disinfectant, that is true. However, remember that this guy can declare wars, that he supposedly is the leader of the greatest stronghold of democracy and freedom... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 25th, 2020 05:08 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass My favorite way to search for news right now is to use the -trump modifier on google. It cuts out all the political bullshit from both the right and the left, leaving raw news surprisingly well. There is just so much toxic hatred in politics now I just dont understand why people go out of their way to keep it in their life. It just divides us. "I intentionally misinform myself because I can't handle the fact that the American right may be objectively misinformed and malicious." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Auteur : Helz Date : April 25th, 2020 07:05 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass This is something that pisses me off to no end. Whenever I try to find a news source that at least SEEMS to be neutral, it’s either anti-Trump or pro-Trump. I just want to read the newspaper without any bs shoved down my throat... Yeah, its gotten totally insane. I am always astonished how far people will go to advocate for 'their side' under the justification that the other side is worse. Literally for this whole Covid thing I have avoided the news and just been keeping up with medical journals because thats where news stations get their info anways. May as well cut out the middle man who puts their political spin in the info. "I intentionally misinform myself because I can't handle the fact that the American right may be objectively misinformed and malicious." Avoiding left or right sided rhetoric is intentionally misinforming myself because I dont want to hear BS about trump? I think you have been drinking the political kool-aid for too long.. If I remember right you were the one who actually turned me on to the inherent bias in the voting system and how it creates a false dichotomy in politics. For me until systemic issues are addressed getting worked up over who our elected officials is just is not worth the energy. Realistically my life has not been greatly effected under the last 3 presidents. When I see some people who are totally consumed in that political hatred I like to ask them if its really worth it. Is getting that angry about something you have no voice in and that hardly effects your life really worth it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 25th, 2020 07:26 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Avoiding left or right sided rhetoric is intentionally misinforming myself because I dont want to hear BS about trump? Yes. You are quite literally blocking out important news about the leader of your country because you don't want to hear it. Is that not what misinforming yourself is? If I remember right you were the one who actually turned me on to the inherent bias in the voting system and how it creates a false dichotomy in politics. For me until systemic issues are addressed getting worked up over who our elected officials is just is not worth the energy. The correct response to corruption and cronyism in politics (which is largely perpetrated by Republicans in recent years, mind you) is to just give up and declare that all sides are the same and hope it all fixes itself somehow? How else do you propose solving any issues besides "getting worked up over elected officials"? Realistically my life has not been greatly effected under the last 3 presidents. When I see some people who are totally consumed in that political hatred I like to ask them if its really worth it. Is getting that angry about something you have no voice in and that hardly effects your life really worth it? There is something called empathy, which means that you should also feel bad for other people's misfortunes and should be driven to help them out if you can. Just because you aren't personally affected at this very moment because of politics or the current president, doesn't mean other people aren't. I wanted to live in America at some point, Trump's changes to immigration made that difficult if not impossible and I gave up on that dream. Environmental policies that Republicans are enacting in the name of corporate profit are contributing to fucking up the climate and there are regular heat waves in Europe now that they weren't meant to handle, which killed several people last year and will probably kill more this year. It's great that your life is so disconnected from the bigger picture that your country's leader has no impact on you, but surely that doesn't stop you from understanding the impact on others? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Auteur : Helz Date : April 25th, 2020 09:41 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Yes. You are quite literally blocking out important news about the leader of your country because you don't want to hear it. Is that not what misinforming yourself is?Well I guess we will just have to disagree on the 'Important news' part here. Its hardly a 'hot new take' to say that Trump rambles like a blathering idiot. The correct response to corruption and cronyism in politics (which is largely perpetrated by Republicans in recent years, mind you) is to just give up and declare that all sides are the same and hope it all fixes itself somehow? How else do you propose solving any issues besides "getting worked up over elected officials"?Not at all. I will totally support an elected official that steps up and pushes real change. I just don't hear any politicians taking a hard line on eliminating corporate lobbying or addressing healthcare from a position other than subsidization. There are tons that argue about making it more affordable which either comes from the angle of 'lets adjust insurance' or 'lets create a socialist system' but theres hardly any talk about actually addressing the price itself. That and I would even support a straight socialist healthcare system which most people think they are arguing for when they are really advocating for subsidized capitalism (Which is a terrible idea in sooo many ways.) So lets say I do go all nuts on who's elected. I find someone and kinda agree with half of what they are saying but view them as the 'lesser of two evils' and vote them in. At that point they have no further obligation to act in my interests, and instead their incentive is in the lobbyists until re-election. There is a reason people get elected to congress, make 100k a year and retire 10 years later with 10 million. Even the ones that dont overtly do insider trading (like Sen. Kelly Loeffler.) If your interested heres a nice piece explaining why votes dont matter very much (Although a pretty dry read) https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B (Martin Gilens of Princeton and Benjamin Page of Northwestern spelling out we live in an oligarchy and votes hardly matter) And here is one thats more of a persuasive piece on influencing actual change https://www.hbs.edu/competitiveness/documents/why-competition-in-the-politics-industry-is-failing-america.pdf (although once again, the solutions deal with altering public perception and having people in power take away from their own power which... just lol) On the most basic level I believe in the concept of the phaneron. That we interact with objective reality through our senses. I believe that the political landscape is the result of our political senses being influenced through mass marketing campaigns; and because of media cross ownership this false dichotomy of republicrat vs democran rhetoric is poison to creating real change. So I unplug, and I feel thats a more responsible choice than spreading the toxic rhetoric given my outlook. There is something called empathy, which means that you should also feel bad for other people's misfortunes and should be driven to help them out if you can. Just because you aren't personally affected at this very moment because of politics or the current president, doesn't mean other people aren't. I wanted to live in America at some point, Trump's changes to immigration made that difficult if not impossible and I gave up on that dream. Environmental policies that Republicans are enacting in the name of corporate profit are contributing to fucking up the climate and there are regular heat waves in Europe now that they weren't meant to handle, which killed several people last year and will probably kill more this year. It's great that your life is so disconnected from the bigger picture that your country's leader has no impact on you, but surely that doesn't stop you from understanding the impact on others? I do feel bad about others misfortunes but I also feel that there is a very substantial issue in peoples inability to understand the difference between helping others and enabling them on both the macro and micro level. I am also in favor of limiting immigration although I feel Trump did it in the exact wrong way. He hurt others ability to have a chance to come here while also allowing mass visa programs on manual labor to be exploited. People make fun of the 'They took our jeeerrbs' argument but its very real in Texas. Manual labor skill based jobs have not seen substantial wage increases in decades because while normally wages would go up to meet the market supply of employees it has instead been supplemented with visa programs. I get that almost everyone came as an immigrant at one point but there is a massive difference between going somewhere where there is nothing to create a nice life, and going somewhere thats nice to enjoy what others have created. I also dislike the idea of shoving altruistic action onto the government because it allows shitty people to 'look good' without any real conviction and most of the time the money just ends up in someones pocket. Its insane how profitable it can be to work at a non profit organization and that as low as 10 cents on the dollar can go to actually help. My favorite story in this direction could easily relate on the subject of global warming. Basically a bunch of Oxford students got together and protested fossil fuels. The dean came back and offered to turn off the central gas heating. A news station reached out to him calling his response provocative to which he replied "You are right that I am being provocative but I hope I am provoking some clear thinking. It is all too easy to request others to do things that carry no personal cost to yourself. The question is whether you and others are prepared to make personal sacrifices to achieve your goals." Maybe its just me but I get annoyed when I hear people pushing to end some suffering should be ended, and someone else should do it. I can count the times on one hand where I have had a discussion with someone on hot topic issues like world hunger or homelessness where that person has made any personal sacrifice in line with their supposed 'convictions'. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 25th, 2020 12:39 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Well I guess we will just have to disagree on the 'Important news' part here. Its hardly a 'hot new take' to say that Trump rambles like a blathering idiot. There's a difference between the type of news that's like "omg trump tweeted covfefe that isnt even a real word" versus him actively supporting movements that advocate for re-opening states prematurely, and all the corruption scandals he's been a part of. It's important for people to understand that he is tearing down democracy in the US and giving support to movements and actions that may lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans. Not at all. I will totally support an elected official that steps up and pushes real change. I just don't hear any politicians taking a hard line on eliminating corporate lobbying or addressing healthcare from a position other than subsidization. There are tons that argue about making it more affordable which either comes from the angle of 'lets adjust insurance' or 'lets create a socialist system' but theres hardly any talk about actually addressing the price itself. That and I would even support a straight socialist healthcare system which most people think they are arguing for when they are really advocating for subsidized capitalism (Which is a terrible idea in sooo many ways.) This is just proof that the Republican-cultivated "both sides bad" cynicism that you've firmly latched onto is doing its job in clouding your views. Otherwise, perhaps you would have realized that campaign finance/lobbying reform and healthcare cost reductions are cornerstones of Joe Biden's platform. https://joebiden.com/governmentreform/ https://joebiden.com/healthcare/ Also I'm gonna pre-empt your argument of "hurr well maybe he's lying about that" by pointing out that the same argument applies against any of your favourite candidates, including Sanders, and we've already blatantly seen that Trump obviously isn't going to accomplish either of those. So lets say I do go all nuts on who's elected. I find someone and kinda agree with half of what they are saying but view them as the 'lesser of two evils' and vote them in. At that point they have no further obligation to act in my interests, and instead their incentive is in the lobbyists until re-election. There is a reason people get elected to congress, make 100k a year and retire 10 years later with 10 million. Even the ones that dont overtly do insider trading (like Sen. Kelly Loeffler.) Yes, that is a problem. The solution is not to be apathetic. Proto-fascism relies on the population being apathetic and thinking that the government doesn't personally impact them, until it sneaks up on them, by which point it's too late. If your interested heres a nice piece explaining why votes dont matter very much (Although a pretty dry read) https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B (Martin Gilens of Princeton and Benjamin Page of Northwestern spelling out we live in an oligarchy and votes hardly matter) And here is one thats more of a persuasive piece on influencing actual change https://www.hbs.edu/competitiveness/documents/why-competition-in-the-politics-industry-is-failing-america.pdf (although once again, the solutions deal with altering public perception and having people in power take away from their own power which... just lol) Sure, I'll check those out later. On the most basic level I believe in the concept of the phaneron. That we interact with objective reality through our senses. I believe that the political landscape is the result of our political senses being influenced through mass marketing campaigns; and because of media cross ownership this false dichotomy of republicrat vs democran rhetoric is poison to creating real change. Of course it is, I don't disagree. I'll say again, the approach isn't to throw your hands up and go "ehhhhh whatever". This is a situation in which one "side" is clearly, objectively bending rules to get their way and to take steps towards authoritarianism in the US. If that isn't combated by whatever means, then you are complacent in it. My favorite story in this direction could easily relate on the subject of global warming. Basically a bunch of Oxford students got together and protested fossil fuels. The dean came back and offered to turn off the central gas heating. A news station reached out to him calling his response provocative to which he replied "You are right that I am being provocative but I hope I am provoking some clear thinking. It is all too easy to request others to do things that carry no personal cost to yourself. The question is whether you and others are prepared to make personal sacrifices to achieve your goals." Maybe its just me but I get annoyed when I hear people pushing to end some suffering should be ended, and someone else should do it. I can count the times on one hand where I have had a discussion with someone on hot topic issues like world hunger or homelessness where that person has made any personal sacrifice in line with their supposed 'convictions'. Study after study shows that government initiatives against global warming, such as carbon taxes, are substantially more effective than anything individuals can do, such as going vegan. Someone not making personal sacrifices to stop climate change isn't doing so because they don't actually care or they're virtue signalling, it's because their contribution and impact is absolutely negligible compared to lobbying the governments for even the slightest of change. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Auteur : Helz Date : April 25th, 2020 02:46 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass There's a difference between the type of news that's like "omg trump tweeted covfefe that isnt even a real word" versus him actively supporting movements that advocate for re-opening states prematurely, and all the corruption scandals he's been a part of. It's important for people to understand that he is tearing down democracy in the US and giving support to movements and actions that may lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans. Im not sure what democracy you are talking about. America is a corporatocracy. I agree that he has taken many actions that counter the checks and balances established and I am curious where that will go in his second term. Generally presidents walk a line their first term and go a but more wild in their second because of the lack of re-election. If he makes it to election I will loose a bet that trump wouldn't make it through his term as president. This is just proof that the Republican-cultivated "both sides bad" cynicism that you've firmly latched onto is doing its job in clouding your views. I think my original disgust was the way both sides were leveraging a government shutdown to pass legislation that was not the consensus of the nation. You keep talking to me like I am a republican which I do not really understand. You see Republicans as the source of evil while I see lobbyists as the source and democrans/republicrats as two sides of the same disgusting coin. Otherwise, perhaps you would have realized that campaign finance/lobbying reform and healthcare cost reductions are cornerstones of Joe Biden's platform. https://joebiden.com/governmentreform/ https://joebiden.com/healthcare/ Also I'm gonna pre-empt your argument of "hurr well maybe he's lying about that" by pointing out that the same argument applies against any of your favourite candidates, including Sanders, and we've already blatantly seen that Trump obviously isn't going to accomplish either of those. Well I just read Bidens healthcare section and its like every other. Line after line about insurance reform and subsidization. Its not like the money for all that extended coverage is coming out of nowhere. The only place he mentioned any actual price adjustment is with pharmaceutical companies. If you would like I can explain to you mathematically why subsidizing a capitalistic market can never work. Im not going to say health insurance became a dumpster fire after the last 'healthcare reform but I will say the last X-ray I got I claimed to not have insurance because it would have cost 350 as my deductible with my insurance or 50$ if I had no insurance. Outside of the government matching donations for small candidates (wut..) his positions sound good but yeah, "hurr well maybe he's lying about that." Vague nice sounding promises get a hard 'boy that cried wolf' look from me. Im not saying thats not true for anyone else but theres a reason not much actually changes even though every 4 years someone steps up to the plate talking about how they will make good changes. If it makes you happy even though I think his healthcare reform ideas are atrocious he has a better direction than Trump. Yes, that is a problem. The solution is not to be apathetic. Proto-fascism relies on the population being apathetic and thinking that the government doesn't personally impact them, until it sneaks up on them, by which point it's too late. Of course it is, I don't disagree. I'll say again, the approach isn't to throw your hands up and go "ehhhhh whatever". This is a situation in which one "side" is clearly, objectively bending rules to get their way and to take steps towards authoritarianism in the US. If that isn't combated by whatever means, then you are complacent in it. I agree. Im just focused on things I can change. I was able to start a white house investigation on a company named "LHI" that was essentially defrauding the VA for evaluations eliminating healthcare for veterans. Its not that I am apathetic. Im just a pragmatist and I dont recognize me watching CNN or FOX doing anything other than making me bitter at 'the other side.' while I choke on bipartisan rhetoric. Study after study shows that government initiatives against global warming, such as carbon taxes, are substantially more effective than anything individuals can do, such as going vegan. Someone not making personal sacrifices to stop climate change isn't doing so because they don't actually care or they're virtue signalling, it's because their contribution and impact is absolutely negligible compared to lobbying the governments for even the slightest of change.I agree with this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Auteur : theoneceko Date : April 25th, 2020 02:50 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ^ This thread summarized in a single word -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Auteur : secondpassing Date : April 25th, 2020 03:41 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ^ This thread summarized in a single word Can't agree with that summary. It was more like: "Trump is bad." "New outlets are biased." "Trump is bad." "I heard you." Or in a single word: "Uhh..." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Auteur : theoneceko Date : April 25th, 2020 04:13 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Can't agree with that summary. It was more like: "Trump is bad." "New outlets are biased." "Trump is bad." "I heard you." Or in a single word: "Uhh..." LOL. UwU ZEGGLIGN!!! OWO ZEGLIGN. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 26th, 2020 08:57 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Im not sure what democracy you are talking about. America is a corporatocracy. I agree with this, but I also think it could be better. Out of the Democrats and Republicans, Republicans have been taking much greater steps towards totalitarianism with their cult of personality lately, plus stacking courts and blatantly anti-democratic actions. You keep talking to me like I am a republican which I do not really understand. You see Republicans as the source of evil while I see lobbyists as the source and democrans/republicrats as two sides of the same disgusting coin. I'm not talking to you as if you're a Republican, I'm talking to you as if you've fallen for the apathy and cynicism that Republicans have been trying to sow. There's a reason that Republicans push so hard to suppress votes with useless voter ID laws and reducing any sort of mail-in voting; it's part of their overall voter suppression plan, which largely hurts Democrat outcomes. The other plan is blatant astroturfing and convincing otherwise reasonable people such as yourself that Republicans and Democrats are the same and that nothing you can do will even matter. Well I just read Bidens healthcare section and its like every other. Line after line about insurance reform and subsidization. Its not like the money for all that extended coverage is coming out of nowhere. The only place he mentioned any actual price adjustment is with pharmaceutical companies. If you would like I can explain to you mathematically why subsidizing a capitalistic market can never work. He specifically mentions a system where he'll introduce a public health plan, which is a right step towards single-payer. Single-payer is by and far the best way to reduce costs even in a capitalistic system, and there's scores of evidence to prove that. I'd like to see what mathematical explanation you have, sure. Im not going to say health insurance became a dumpster fire after the last 'healthcare reform but I will say the last X-ray I got I claimed to not have insurance because it would have cost 350 as my deductible with my insurance or 50$ if I had no insurance. I have no idea how health insurance works in the US, I just know it's garbage and the Republicans have no plans to fix it. Its not that I am apathetic. Im just a pragmatist and I dont recognize me watching CNN or FOX doing anything other than making me bitter at 'the other side.' while I choke on bipartisan rhetoric. Fox and CNN are hardly comparable; CNN is much less partisan and much more factual. A more apt comparison would be Occupy Democrats vs Fox, which I more or less agree with, although OD has their hearts in a better place IMO. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Auteur : theoneceko Date : April 26th, 2020 11:30 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TBH, I care more about making a living than health insurance. Free health insurance is great, but I suspect there wouldn't be many great options to choose from---just like Obamacare. The health insurance plans worth getting in Obamacare are too expensive for me. I'd rather invest my money than spend it on health insurance. That way, I won't be stuck in the lower class forever. And hey, once I do have enough money, I'll spend that on health, car, home insurance etc. etc. etc. I'm not saying everyone---or ANYONE, for that matter---should adopt my attitude. I'm a healthy young male. Older people are more likely to want better health insurance for obvious reasons. Lastly, I know that if I get in a serious accident or get cancer, I'm completely screwed. However, it's not like anyone in my family has money in the first place so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ who gives a shit. UwU -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 26th, 2020 11:35 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass And hey, once I do have enough money Oh dear. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Auteur : Helz Date : April 26th, 2020 10:04 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I agree with this, but I also think it could be better. Out of the Democrats and Republicans, Republicans have been taking much greater steps towards totalitarianism with their cult of personality lately, plus stacking courts and blatantly anti-democratic actions.I absolutely agree with you. A lot of the recent direction is unprecedented. I'm not talking to you as if you're a Republican, I'm talking to you as if you've fallen for the apathy and cynicism that Republicans have been trying to sow. There's a reason that Republicans push so hard to suppress votes with useless voter ID laws and reducing any sort of mail-in voting; it's part of their overall voter suppression plan, which largely hurts Democrat outcomes. The other plan is blatant astroturfing and convincing otherwise reasonable people such as yourself that Republicans and Democrats are the same and that nothing you can do will even matter.I suppose I just disagree with you that the 'both sides are evil' narrative is a republican move. They probably leaned hard into the 'our actions are justified because the other side is doing it too' argument but I feel like their narrative ends in "vote us because the other side is worse" as opposed to "voting is broken." The strongest "voting is broken" campaign I can think of was when Trump got elected after loosing the popular vote which was a democrat argument. Im not sure if any of that holds any bearing on what were talking about. I just feel like not many people actually keep up with scholarly articles and my position is rather original but I kind of unplugged from big news like 6 years ago. Either I was duped, theres a new narrative pushing in that direction I haven't seen, or you are mistaken. But in any situation its the position that logically makes sense to me. Im not opposed to hearing out your position and changing mine but I just feel like focusing on the things I can change while avoiding toxic rhetoric about things I cant is the best thing I can do for my life and the lives of those I care about. He specifically mentions a system where he'll introduce a public health plan, which is a right step towards single-payer. Single-payer is by and far the best way to reduce costs even in a capitalistic system, and there's scores of evidence to prove that. I'd like to see what mathematical explanation you have, sure.I get what he is proposing but think of it like this: -The VA is a socialist healthcare system. The government pays employees and owns the hospitals that treat the veterans providing services that are paid for by the government. This model makes sense to me. -He is proposing the government pay for services from the private sector for all citizens. In that situation private, for profit corporations will provide a service thats paid for by the government. This functions at a higher price point because the for profit corporations require a profit margin. This model is worse for the tax-payer. Just think about the massive conflicts of interest in politics and how that will be exploited when you give private healthcare direct access to federal funds. The case I started against the company LHI is exactly in line with this issue in terms of the VA subcontracting out to a for profit company and that company exploiting the contract. You could also read into how Dialysis has gone over as a government subsidized program (which by the way costs half as much as we spend in total on education each year.) So this will just all be about basic microeconomics. Important concepts: -The 'unseen hand' or natural tendency for a free capitalistic market to establish a price point at equilibrium between supply and demand -Equilibrium generates maximum profits for a firm -Publicly traded firms have a legal obligation to maximize profits 26887 So in the first figure theres your natural market. Grey marks the firms gross market. When you subsidize a a market it shifts the price point down sliding down the demand curve (increasing the quantity sold). In the second figure you can see how subsidization greatly expands a firms gross market. In the 3rd figure you can see the potential gain for the firm by returning the price point to equilibrium (which they are legally obligated to do if publicly traded.) It is important to note that there is an overall increase in market share long term and a short term significant increase as the the price shifts back towards equilibrium for the firm. In the 4th figure you can see the re-established price point necessitated by market conditions TLDR- Subsidization only functions to profit firms unless price ceilings are established. Additionally they allow for higher profits than even possible in the short term (Upper right corner of gross in figure 3) Basically any subsidization without a price ceiling temporary makes things more accessible for the consumer while permanently profiting the firm while a socialist healthcare system permanently makes things more accessible for the consumer. This is why subsidized capitalism is a terrible idea weather functioned through insurance or government payment. Free capitalistic markets just cant function that way unless firms decide to not act in their own best interest. I have no idea how health insurance works in the US, I just know it's garbage and the Republicans have no plans to fix it. I could go into that if you want. I personally would rather not. ox and CNN are hardly comparable; CNN is much less partisan and much more factual. A more apt comparison would be Occupy Democrats vs Fox, which I more or less agree with, although OD has their hearts in a better place IMO. I disagree with that. I think the reason news organizations are bad is because of conflicts of interests. Both sides are owned by media conglomerates who have political interests and pass down storys as 'Can run, Should run, or Must run.' At the same time I haven't watched either in a very long time so I probably dont have a very valid opinion. I think it all comes down to the fact we live in an age of sociological meta-cognition where we have grown to understand how we get information and make decisions as a population. I do not think things will ever get back to the way they were because there is money and power to be had in controlling peoples perspective. If your ever bored this is a nice interview of 4 star general Robert Brown that reflects how even the US Military now considers information propagation a domain of warefare.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE (The same guy also has a few pieces on how perspective manipulation is done online. I hold his work in high regard.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Auteur : Firebringer Date : April 27th, 2020 05:21 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass just look at this guy, he's unironically suggesting fucking injecting tide pods to cure covid tbh if youre still behind this guy just go ahead and cure yourself by slamming an entire bottle of bleach looks like u feel for the classic trump derangement syndrome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc I suggest two cups of memes as a cure. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 28th, 2020 07:30 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I suppose I just disagree with you that the 'both sides are evil' narrative is a republican move. They probably leaned hard into the 'our actions are justified because the other side is doing it too' argument but I feel like their narrative ends in "vote us because the other side is worse" as opposed to "voting is broken." The strongest "voting is broken" campaign I can think of was when Trump got elected after loosing the popular vote which was a democrat argument. As I said, a key Republican tactic is to ensure that less people vote. If they can turn people to voting for Republicans that's a bonus, but Trump said something insightful which I very much agree with which is that if you increase the number of people voting, a Republican will never be elected president again (https://youtu.be/_r6qXQX5Fnk?t=18). The Republicans have been doing great in this regard with pushing voter ID laws and restricting early voting and mail-in voting. There's also a difference between the "voting is broken" narrative that liberals in the US push, which talks about how people's votes are unfairly weighted in a way that favours Republicans, versus the Republican idea of "voting doesn't matter because the Dems are corrupt too". There were very interesting cases on Reddit where so-called Bernie supporters went on Bernie-related subreddits after he lost the Democrat nomination and kept posting about how bad Biden was, how the DNC stole the nomination etc., when in reality they were all regulars on conservative and Trump subreddits. Trump himself supported Bernie because he knew that it would give Bernie more visibility and cause Dem voters to be disillusioned when he loses. And none of this is made up; polls show that a much larger portion of non-voters lean Democrat than Republican: https://www.people-press.org/2014/10/31/the-party-of-nonvoters-2/. TLDR- Subsidization only functions to profit firms unless price ceilings are established. Additionally they allow for higher profits than even possible in the short term (Upper right corner of gross in figure 3) Basically any subsidization without a price ceiling temporary makes things more accessible for the consumer while permanently profiting the firm while a socialist healthcare system permanently makes things more accessible for the consumer. This is why subsidized capitalism is a terrible idea weather functioned through insurance or government payment. Free capitalistic markets just cant function that way unless firms decide to not act in their own best interest. Agreed. I still think a subsidized capitalist system is a step in the right direction, if done correctly. The Netherlands has a health system that's rather similar in spirit to Obamacare and Biden's plan, but not half-assed and actually fleshed out and taken to its conclusion. The Netherlands is also frequently lauded as having one of the best healthcare systems in Europe and the world. I disagree with that. I think the reason news organizations are bad is because of conflicts of interests. Both sides are owned by media conglomerates who have political interests and pass down storys as 'Can run, Should run, or Must run.' Sure, but CNN and Fox are still incomparable. CNN isn't great but still has journalistic integrity, Fox is just tabloid-tier garbage at this point. It's a symptom of cancerous American conservative mindset that they're seen as equivalent. https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Media-Bias-Chart-5.1-Licensed.jpg?v=402f03a963ba looks like u feel for the classic trump derangement syndrome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc I suggest two cups of memes as a cure. I think authoritarianism and authoritarians should be mocked and fought at any opportunity, not ignored. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Auteur : DJarJar Date : April 28th, 2020 07:46 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass As I said, a key Republican tactic is to ensure that less people vote. If they can turn people to voting for Republicans that's a bonus, but Trump said something insightful which I very much agree with which is that if you increase the number of people voting, a Republican will never be elected president again (https://youtu.be/_r6qXQX5Fnk?t=18). The Republicans have been doing great in this regard with pushing voter ID laws and restricting early voting and mail-in voting. There's also a difference between the "voting is broken" narrative that liberals in the US push, which talks about how people's votes are unfairly weighted in a way that favours Republicans, versus the Republican idea of "voting doesn't matter because the Dems are corrupt too". There were very interesting cases on Reddit where so-called Bernie supporters went on Bernie-related subreddits after he lost the Democrat nomination and kept posting about how bad Biden was, how the DNC stole the nomination etc., when in reality they were all regulars on conservative and Trump subreddits. Trump himself supported Bernie because he knew that it would give Bernie more visibility and cause Dem voters to be disillusioned when he loses. And none of this is made up; polls show that a much larger portion of non-voters lean Democrat than Republican: https://www.people-press.org/2014/10/31/the-party-of-nonvoters-2/. Agreed. I still think a subsidized capitalist system is a step in the right direction, if done correctly. The Netherlands has a health system that's rather similar in spirit to Obamacare and Biden's plan, but not half-assed and actually fleshed out and taken to its conclusion. The Netherlands is also frequently lauded as having one of the best healthcare systems in Europe and the world. Sure, but CNN and Fox are still incomparable. CNN isn't great but still has journalistic integrity, Fox is just tabloid-tier garbage at this point. It's a symptom of cancerous American conservative mindset that they're seen as equivalent. https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Media-Bias-Chart-5.1-Licensed.jpg?v=402f03a963ba I think authoritarianism and authoritarians should be mocked and fought at any opportunity, not ignored. what is that picture sourced from? reuters and npr belong up there but abc and cbs compared with nbc, cnn, and fox seems a bit odd -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Auteur : mikeu1 Date : April 28th, 2020 11:16 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Hell ya, sounds interesting to me! Trump2020 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 40] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 03:27 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass you wanna hear about authoritarianism? heres a fact: I tried to find a study Stanford conducted on the incidence of coronavirus - it suggested there were 50 times as many people infected as originally thought, and I literally couldn’t find it on google. Google only displayed results like ‘why this Stanford study is wrong’. I had to switch to DuckDuckGo to find it. im not saying that test has to be right - but I wanna see it for myself. I’m 100% confident this isn’t a coincidence. Honestly, fuck Google and fuck the Media. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 41] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 03:45 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass For all the good Google have done to the world, I don’t think it means they get to show me whatever the hell they want to show me. I think the time is ripe for a new company to replace them (I use DuckDuckGo on my laptop already, and I didn’t know it was this bad). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 42] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 29th, 2020 04:03 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass what is that picture sourced from? reuters and npr belong up there but abc and cbs compared with nbc, cnn, and fox seems a bit odd https://www.adfontesmedia.com I agree it might not be objectively right, as with anything. I still stand by the statement that Fox is far more partisan and less objective than CNN, unless your political stance is already right-of-center to begin with. you wanna hear about authoritarianism? heres a fact: I tried to find a study Stanford conducted on the incidence of coronavirus - it suggested there were 50 times as many people infected as originally thought, and I literally couldn’t find it on google. Google only displayed results like ‘why this Stanford study is wrong’. I had to switch to DuckDuckGo to find it. im not saying that test has to be right - but I wanna see it for myself. I’m 100% confident this isn’t a coincidence. Honestly, fuck Google and fuck the Media. What? I just searched it and this is what I saw: https://i.imgur.com/87UKTxu.png You know that Google tailors search results to your history, right? I don't like Google either but this is some tinfoil hat shit. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 43] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 04:10 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Interesting. I’ve never searched anything that could result in this, especially seeing as I don’t and actually never believed corona was as dangerous as they claimed. But I did not get those results in Google. Weird -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 44] Auteur : theoneceko Date : April 29th, 2020 07:06 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass UwU WE'RE STILL GOING. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 45] Auteur : theoneceko Date : April 29th, 2020 07:07 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Ganelon's point is interesting though. Just like his scumreads in maafiaiQ!!!!4 UwuU (is talking about forum outside the game illegal lol) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 46] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 09:24 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Ganelon's point is interesting though. Just like his scumreads in maafiaiQ!!!!4 UwuU (is talking about forum outside the game illegal lol) It isn’t -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 47] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 09:25 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass As in, it’s not legal, it IS forbidden -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 48] Auteur : theoneceko Date : April 29th, 2020 09:30 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass No u -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 49] Auteur : DJarJar Date : April 29th, 2020 12:38 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Interesting. I’ve never searched anything that could result in this, especially seeing as I don’t and actually never believed corona was as dangerous as they claimed. But I did not get those results in Google. Weird 26894 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 50] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 01:01 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Lol maybe my Google is weird or something. But like many of the results I got didn’t even discuss the study - they just went on to say why the study is wrong. Personally, I mentioned this because I find it offensive when people call all Trump supporters idiots or something along those lines. And I found it hilarious people were complaining about authoritarianism coming from the republicans when the Democrats have been a lot more guilty of that than the republicans. i just don’t understand the hate for trump, bush/Obama weren’t this hated, and they both (especially Bush) sucked. I largely agree with what Helz said, but I don’t feel like being nice just because generally I’m a cunt and I don’t feel lik shutting up. I shut up all the time to avoid conflict with people. Not gonna shut up online too -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 51] Auteur : DJarJar Date : April 29th, 2020 01:35 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Lol maybe my Google is weird or something. But like many of the results I got didn’t even discuss the study - they just went on to say why the study is wrong. Personally, I mentioned this because I find it offensive when people call all Trump supporters idiots or something along those lines. And I found it hilarious people were complaining about authoritarianism coming from the republicans when the Democrats have been a lot more guilty of that than the republicans. i just don’t understand the hate for trump, bush/Obama weren’t this hated, and they both (especially Bush) sucked. I largely agree with what Helz said, but I don’t feel like being nice just because generally I’m a cunt and I don’t feel lik shutting up. I shut up all the time to avoid conflict with people. Not gonna shut up online too Well here is the paper if you want to look at it, it's not even really been published so I'm not sure why anybody is reporting about it. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1 "Participants were recruited using Facebook ads" Only testing people who specifically sought out testing? A biased dataset that is basically useless IMO. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 52] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 01:38 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I agree it’s not exactly rocket science and that it’s a flawed study, but I don’t think it should be so difficult to find it lmao -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 53] Auteur : DJarJar Date : April 29th, 2020 01:49 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I agree it’s not exactly rocket science and that it’s a flawed study, but I don’t think it should be so difficult to find it lmao Try doing the same search in an in-private browsing window and see if the results change. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 54] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : April 29th, 2020 03:22 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Correct me if I'm wrong as a non-American, but both parties share an ideology that is more or less the same: be against leftist movements in general, try to keep power as every government will do, attack the other party, favor free market and richer people. The only actual change is that Trump is a special guy, who actually made the Democrats look really good because of... his presence. I think it otherwise comes down to what Helz said: "both parties are two sides of the same disgusting coin". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 55] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 03:51 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass They are most definitely not both right leaning. You can most easily tell this by looking st their candidates: Obama/Hillary Clinton and most importantly, Bernie Sanders. Bernie is almost a communist, hes really, really far left. Obama and Clinton were both progressive/socially liberal (e.g. Obamacare). Trump is special because he’s the first truly right-wing (or conservative) leader in a relatively long time. It’s why everyone hates him, PLUS the media has become extremely important over the past20 years; they’re a lot more important than they were a while back. wrt to authoritarianism, bc that’s what I found really bizarre, the Democrats’ record is far from clean: they tried to impeach Trump over reasons that are somewhat dubious, in a trial where no evidence was presented and where they basically blamed Trump over something Biden did. I cannot remember exactly what the media had to say about it but I remember reading the reasons the (senate?) gave for the impeachment and it had basically nothing to do with what the media were accusing trump of (I believe it had something to do with ‘securing the next election for himself’, or perhaps with the notion that what he did was unconstitutional, one of which was not even mentioned in the impeachment document). second, IIRC they actually investigated the 2016 election and found evidence that, hold on to your hats, the Democrats has tampered with the election. I believe, though this is just from memory and I may be wrong, that they stopped the investigation at that point. None of these points are exactly indicative of fair play on the Democrats’ part. If you read the media, you’ll notice that they very often do the following thing; they don’t report the news, they just criticize trump. That website I linked is, in my opinion, how a real news article should be written: it’s impartial. It first described the study, mentioned some problems with it, and then argued that it still points to the notion that corona may be a lot more prevalent than previously thought. meanwhile, many of the hits I got on google skipped the first step and started naming various scientists who criticized the study. The difference is, the first guys had a story to tell; the second had *their* story to tell. same thing with the media. I’d encourage you to do your own research and not to listen to the unwashed masses on CNN/whatever because they really don’t know what they’re talking about. You cannot possibly claim to be impartial when your news article starts with ‘Fact Checking: President Trump 101. I’ll argue that this unfortunately also seems to occur on the republican side of things, although, as far as I’ve been able to tell, it’s less common there. And also less virulent. If you only listen to the media, you’ll get the feeling Teumpmonly does/says stupid shit, which I really don’t agree with. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 56] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : April 29th, 2020 05:26 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass True about Sanders, but he didn't win :P Also, while you say I was brainwashed by CNN, I say you were brainwashed by an old billionaire screaming "FAKE NEWS" as soon as something doesn't fit his will. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 57] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 05:35 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Trump has done far more than the media has been willing to admit. He heavily pushed for women to be in the workplace for instance (this is before he became President). The reason Trump screams fake news so often is because they often really are fake news lol. For instance, everywhere you look they'll say Trump "dangerously" suggested Americans inject detergent/disinfectant into their veins to rid themselves of corona. He didn't say that all; he suggested it as a cure (and now he's saying he was sarcastic, but take that as you will). Plus, that was a press conference, much as Ceko pointed out, not an official statement by the White House. You could also argue that if someone is dumb enough to inject tide pods or whatever just bc Trump said it might work as a cure, that they're dumb enough to do all sorts of things. Also, they accused Trump of racism when he started calling the virus "the Chinese virus"; now that its becoming more and more likely that China knew about the virus for a while before telling the rest of the world - and even that it may have escaped from one of their labs - and they tried to cover it up! But of course, nobody wants to mention that anymore because it would bite them in the ass, seeing as they said Trump was racist. FWIW, I don't think Trump was being racist there. China accused the US of introducing the virus into China (!); I think its perfectly natural to reply that way. Im pretty sure Trump wasn't saying Chinese(-Americans) were responsible for corona. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 58] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 05:36 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass True about Sanders, but he didn't win :P Also, while you say I was brainwashed by CNN, I say you were brainwashed by an old billionaire screaming "FAKE NEWS" as soon as something doesn't fit his will. True, he didn't win. I think not even the Democrats would want someone like Sanders in power. Hes way too red... nobody wants communism in America. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 59] Auteur : yzb25 Date : April 29th, 2020 06:50 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass don't diss my boy Sanders. How on earth is he even a commie? Dude just wants to give them a shittier NHS so they at least don't pay 100s of dollars to get a damn X-ray. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 60] Auteur : yzb25 Date : April 29th, 2020 07:00 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Also, I agree with most of what Helz said, though I'm not sure a single-payer would be as disastrous as he suggests. The government would (hopefully) be held with much higher accountability for accepting pharma's prices than right now. And if everyone is on the system, it'd be much more noticable than vets getting shafted at the margins. Though I agree efforts to expand health insurance to more people are nonsense and just putting band aids on an already broken system. With regards to Helz's views on the OP though, I think he's totally right that this is all political marketing BS to divert your attention from the shit that matters. Everyone involved benefits from the media focusing on superficial personality nonsense rather than the catastrophic policies Trump is enacting. I think a layer of nuance in Helz's views has been missed. He's not simply advocating for political apathy. He's acknowledging that not everything in the news should be news, and following all the asinine shit Trump says is unproductive. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 61] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 07:08 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass yah, I agree. my main problem was with oops' tone (I feel, really, really offended when someone says all Trump supporters are idiots); besides, I simply don't feel you can ever be so sure of something everyone else would automatically become a moron. I do agree that the media is spewing a lot of BS just for the heck of it however, and like I said, I hate how difficult its become to find quality news. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 62] Auteur : Date : April 29th, 2020 07:09 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I actually don't think I would've commented or gone so gung-ho if it weren't for the tone. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 63] Auteur : yzb25 Date : April 29th, 2020 07:22 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass bro are you tone policing him? tho fr if a candidate advocated scrapping fossil fuel subsidies, it's not like I'd stop supporting them because their cure ideas are meme-level. At the end of the day we don't get to choose whether the politicians who represent our views are total dumbasses. This is a very shallow way of engaging with people. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 64] Auteur : secondpassing Date : April 29th, 2020 07:29 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Wrote up a long reply to Ganelon, but then got distracted took a shower and now I'm stuck rewriting it. Screw me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 65] Auteur : rumox Date : April 29th, 2020 08:01 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Best part of the enigma that is Trump, he could have been a Democratic president. He was registered Democrat until 2009. Must have very little in common with a political platform if you can constantly switch sides as much as he did. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 66] Auteur : secondpassing Date : April 29th, 2020 08:01 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass They are most definitely not both right leaning. You can most easily tell this by looking st their candidates: Obama/Hillary Clinton and most importantly, Bernie Sanders. Bernie is almost a communist, hes really, really far left. Obama and Clinton were both progressive/socially liberal (e.g. Obamacare). Trump is special because he’s the first truly right-wing (or conservative) leader in a relatively long time. It’s why everyone hates him, PLUS the media has become extremely important over the past20 years; they’re a lot more important than they were a while back. Trump is special because he is radically conservative. It's quite important in our view of politics today due to the Overton Window (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v-hzc6blGI). Because his ideas are louder and more radical than other conservative words going around it makes the less radical conservative policies put forth seem more acceptable. For instance, we still don't have his proposed wall, nor has the US government made Mexico pay for it yet, but we do have stricter immigration policies. Not everyone hates him, there are a bunch of Trump supporters, but he does grow dissent, even in his own party. Those that are opposed to his ideas also come within his own party (such as those are more center), but since they are "his" party they need to work with him if they want to enact policies acceptable to them. Bernie Sanders is probably the most liberal politician in Washington. He has voted along with his party like 298/300 times (don't quote me on that). He is also very popular where I live Portland, Oregon. A lot of people here are Bernie supporters. wrt to authoritarianism, bc that’s what I found really bizarre, the Democrats’ record is far from clean: they tried to impeach Trump over reasons that are somewhat dubious, in a trial where no evidence was presented and where they basically blamed Trump over something Biden did. I cannot remember exactly what the media had to say about it but I remember reading the reasons the (senate?) gave for the impeachment and it had basically nothing to do with what the media were accusing trump of (I believe it had something to do with ‘securing the next election for himself’, or perhaps with the notion that what he did was unconstitutional, one of which was not even mentioned in the impeachment document). I wouldn't claim directly that Trump is pushing for an authoritarian government, but he has definitely overstepped the boundaries of US law. In fact, he has been impeached (accused) and is the 3rd or 4th president in history to be impeached. If you don't think Bill Clinton and Nixon were special, then you should neither think Trump is special. He wrote a letter/email/note to a high ranking official in Ukraine to soft-threaten him into looking into Biden so that he would have something to use against him in the next election. That is abuse of power. This evidence was not able to be brought up because of Senate Republicans voting along party lines to not incriminate Trump. Only two republicans dissented, one being Mitt Romney (rather famous for being center, and willing to make compromises) and the other somebody I forgot. (my view) I don't think there is any real doubt whether or not Trump abused power. The vote was solely to demonstrate partisanship. second, IIRC they actually investigated the 2016 election and found evidence that, hold on to your hats, the Democrats has tampered with the election. I believe, though this is just from memory and I may be wrong, that they stopped the investigation at that point. None of these points are exactly indicative of fair play on the Democrats’ part. One side wrong does not make the other side right. This reminds me of when I talked to a member of my family about the Uyghurs in China being put into concentration camps. He countered that the US has killed loads of native people. Yes, the US killed many Native Americans AND China is putting native populations into concentration camps. Both are true. Similarly, Democrats in government do bad things, Republicans in government do bad things. The badness of their doings are also relatively different and of different scale. If you read the media, you’ll notice that they very often do the following thing; they don’t report the news, they just criticize trump. That website I linked is, in my opinion, how a real news article should be written: it’s impartial. It first described the study, mentioned some problems with it, and then argued that it still points to the notion that corona may be a lot more prevalent than previously thought. meanwhile, many of the hits I got on google skipped the first step and started naming various scientists who criticized the study. The difference is, the first guys had a story to tell; the second had *their* story to tell. same thing with the media. I’d encourage you to do your own research and not to listen to the unwashed masses on CNN/whatever because they really don’t know what they’re talking about. You cannot possibly claim to be impartial when your news article starts with ‘Fact Checking: President Trump 101. I’ll argue that this unfortunately also seems to occur on the republican side of things, although, as far as I’ve been able to tell, it’s less common there. And also less virulent. If you only listen to the media, you’ll get the feeling Teumpmonly does/says stupid shit, which I really don’t agree with. How Google presents information to you is a complex topic but at the base, aamirus is correct. It uses your search history to determine what to show you and is inherently biased BASED ON YOU. Google feeds many variables it collects about your searches (your search history, what you read, how long you read them...) and associates it statistically into program. This algorithm takes your sample set and tests it against what it guesses would interest you and spits out the results IOW Google search bias is based on your bias. (https://youtu.be/o6zfp6lRw2E?t=45) So watch out for your own internet bubble. This site really doesn't want me to post lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 67] Auteur : Mugy Date : April 30th, 2020 12:21 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass The reason Trump screams fake news so often is because they often really are fake news lol. For instance, everywhere you look they'll say Trump "dangerously" suggested Americans inject detergent/disinfectant into their veins to rid themselves of corona. He didn't say that all; he suggested it as a cure (and now he's saying he was sarcastic, but take that as you will). Plus, that was a press conference, much as Ceko pointed out, not an official statement by the White House. Where can I learn the power of these mental gymnastics. I've re-read this paragraph several times and I still can't pull it off. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 68] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 30th, 2020 02:35 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass wrt to authoritarianism, bc that’s what I found really bizarre, the Democrats’ record is far from clean: they tried to impeach Trump over reasons that are somewhat dubious, in a trial where no evidence was presented and where they basically blamed Trump over something Biden did. Oh man dude I can't believe someone actually said this. No evidence was presented because the Republicans refused to hear witnesses during the trial and just wanted to expedite the trial because they had a majority in the Senate. How can you be using this argument unless you're blatantly misinformed or just plain arguing in bad faith? I cannot remember exactly what the media had to say about it but I remember reading the reasons the (senate?) gave for the impeachment and it had basically nothing to do with what the media were accusing trump of (I believe it had something to do with ‘securing the next election for himself’, or perhaps with the notion that what he did was unconstitutional, one of which was not even mentioned in the impeachment document). He put pressure on the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden over a conspiracy theory his supporters made up (that had no evidence to support it) and withheld 400 million in pre-approved foreign aid as a bargaining chip. second, IIRC they actually investigated the 2016 election and found evidence that, hold on to your hats, the Democrats has tampered with the election. I believe, though this is just from memory and I may be wrong, that they stopped the investigation at that point. Bro this straight up didn't happen, are you just making stuff up? yah, I agree. my main problem was with oops' tone (I feel, really, really offended when someone says all Trump supporters are idiots); besides, I simply don't feel you can ever be so sure of something everyone else would automatically become a moron. Not all Trump supporters are idiots; many are genuinely misinformed, some are cruel and malicious, and some are religious. Authoritarianism and it's supporters deserve to be criticized and mocked. Historically, when authoritarianism grabs on with its filthy fingers, they (and others) get shot instead. I'd rather people have a sad now than die later. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 69] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 30th, 2020 03:34 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Oh and truthfully I think on policy and general politics Helz and I agree quite a bit, if not fully. I guess our only point of disagreement is approach to our roles as citizens, pertaining to voting strategy and importance of recent issues. He's more of an idealist I suppose, and I'm more of a pragmatist. I'd much prefer a better system where we wouldn't have to make compromises, and I think, for the two of us, an ideal society would look very similar. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 70] Auteur : Date : April 30th, 2020 03:39 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass The Republicans tried to bring in eight witnesses but the House of Rep. refused - saying they had nothing to do with the impeachment trial. Furthermore, there is actually no evidence that Trump abused his power - he did not threaten Ukraine, and the Ukrainian president himself said he didn't feel threatened. Investigating a political candidate for corruption isn't a crime... what would be a crime would be to try to make up dirt on him. But, again, there is no evidence he did that. And the idea was to investigate Biden's son, for the most part. No, that was not a "conspiracy theory" his supporters made up: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived lastly, I appreciate that second passing/YZB are simply discussing this and not arguing about it. I really don't think politics should be important enough for people to hate each other about it; its just a difference of opinion. hell maybe you'll convince me otherwise or vice versa. or maybe not. still, they're probably not gonna be relevant 4 years from now so why fight about them? lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 71] Auteur : Date : April 30th, 2020 03:40 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Best part of the enigma that is Trump, he could have been a Democratic president. He was registered Democrat until 2009. Must have very little in common with a political platform if you can constantly switch sides as much as he did. Churchill, Reagan did that too. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 72] Auteur : Date : April 30th, 2020 03:48 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass And no I'm not 'making this up': https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/russian-collusion-hillary-clinton/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 73] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : April 30th, 2020 04:19 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass True, he didn't win. I think not even the Democrats would want someone like Sanders in power. Hes way too red... nobody wants communism in America. He's not a communist, he's just a social-democrat, which is what America would REALLY need (their health system is a joke for a supposedly democratic regime, and I don't know how schools are exactly but I don't think it's great either). News exaggerate things for sure, but it doesn't make it less damn stupid to suggest INJECTING DISINFECTANT AS A CURE, and then trying to cover it up with "sarcasm" and "answering a question" that was never even asked. As for Trump being racist, you may be right (and I say that because I didn't check that much lately), but cumulating his behavior towards "other races", namely Mexicans, you can't say he isn't much more racist than your average president. Also, I 100 % agree with Yzb. I didn't want to say I 100 % agreed with Helz because of the nuance part, but yzb nailed it really well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 74] Auteur : yzb25 Date : April 30th, 2020 04:22 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass The Republicans tried to bring in eight witnesses but the House of Rep. refused - saying they had nothing to do with the impeachment trial. Furthermore, there is actually no evidence that Trump abused his power - he did not threaten Ukraine, and the Ukrainian president himself said he didn't feel threatened. Investigating a political candidate for corruption isn't a crime... what would be a crime would be to try to make up dirt on him. But, again, there is no evidence he did that. And the idea was to investigate Biden's son, for the most part. No, that was not a "conspiracy theory" his supporters made up: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived lastly, I appreciate that second passing/YZB are simply discussing this and not arguing about it. I really don't think politics should be important enough for people to hate each other about it; its just a difference of opinion. hell maybe you'll convince me otherwise or vice versa. or maybe not. still, they're probably not gonna be relevant 4 years from now so why fight about them? lol The entirety of the impeachment trial was total hot air. Trump was letting 100s of Saudi officials stay in his Trump Tower days before a massive weapons deal. That kind of indirect bribery is meant to be a huge no-no in the constitution. Carter had to sell his peanut farm because the republicans of the time insisted it could create a conflict of interest. Meanwhile, Trump is literally taking millions through his hotel business from Saudi Arabia, just before a major weapons contract. You know, Saudi Arabia? That country that's using said weapons to blow up hospitals and school buses in Yemen? The main exporter of weapons and goods to islamic fundamentalists alongside Iran? The one that executed feminist protesters for demonstrating for THE RIGHT TO DRIVE A CAR? Kween Pelosi chose not to push an impeachment case of emoluments though, because she's also bought by Saudi Arabia. So instead they had to push for this extremely weak ass angle of attack where they were like "omg you delayed our financial support to our proxy war with Russia wtf D:". As if US officials have never aggressively negotiated for oppo research before. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 75] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : April 30th, 2020 04:24 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Also, oops, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if the Democrats hadn't tampered with the election at all. They're not less willing to win elections or to manipulate people, or at least not that much. Thinking they did everything fairly is most likely living in a democratic fairy tale :( -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 76] Auteur : yzb25 Date : April 30th, 2020 04:31 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Also, oops, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if the Democrats hadn't tampered with the election at all. They're not less willing to win elections or to manipulate people, or at least not that much. Thinking they did everything fairly is most likely living in a democratic fairy tale :( 100% this. And the leaked DNC emails confirmed the democratic establishment was tampering with the 2016 democratic primary. Clinton literally had so many connections that she was getting fed all the debate questions beforehand, and the DNC (which is meant to host the election impartially) was constantly scheming ways to trip up Sanders. Sanders ain't perfect mind you but call it what it is. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 77] Auteur : rumox Date : April 30th, 2020 04:36 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Both Churchill and Reagan swapped camps when their party no longer served their personal interest. Not sure why you'd quote me to point that out? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 78] Auteur : Date : April 30th, 2020 04:44 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass He's not a communist, he's just a social-democrat, which is what America would REALLY need (their health system is a joke for a supposedly democratic regime, and I don't know how schools are exactly but I don't think it's great either). News exaggerate things for sure, but it doesn't make it less damn stupid to suggest INJECTING DISINFECTANT AS A CURE, and then trying to cover it up with "sarcasm" and "answering a question" that was never even asked. As for Trump being racist, you may be right (and I say that because I didn't check that much lately), but cumulating his behavior towards "other races", namely Mexicans, you can't say he isn't much more racist than your average president. Also, I 100 % agree with Yzb. I didn't want to say I 100 % agreed with Helz because of the nuance part, but yzb nailed it really well. I respect your support for Sanders but I really don't think he should be president. He has a pretty sketchy history with the Soviet Union (in the sense that he seemed to love them), and seems to really hat capitalism, which is somewhat ironic seeing as he is extremely rich himself. BTW, comparing healthcare, in the UK the NHS is a complete joke; see the quote below: "My father recently needed emergency heart surgery to prevent an imminent aortic aneurysm. He was offered the choice of £20k for private surgery or free NHS surgery with a wait so long (over a month) that he would probably die in the queue. And this is someone who has paid millions of pounds in taxes over his lifetime!When my mother was dying in agony from Parkinson’s disease the NHS said it wasn’t cost effective to give her pain relief. We were forced to obtain diamorphine (essentially heroin) illegally. After my brother was brain damaged in a car crash (see Crash victim awarded record #1.2m damages (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11927697.crash-victim-awarded-record-12m-damages/) ) the NHS delivered him home in a coma and left us to care for him. My father says he saw the NHS speech therapist slap my brother across the face as hard as she could while he was in recovery from severe brain damage." Mexicans are not a race. Neither are the Haitians, El Salvador, or Africans (blacks are a race, but Africans are not). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 79] Auteur : rumox Date : April 30th, 2020 05:42 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass What is this anecdotal crap. Paid millions in taxes but considers using public health care? Spend the 20k... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 80] Auteur : yzb25 Date : April 30th, 2020 06:40 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I respect your support for Sanders but I really don't think he should be president. He has a pretty sketchy history with the Soviet Union (in the sense that he seemed to love them), and seems to really hat capitalism, which is somewhat ironic seeing as he is extremely rich himself. BTW, comparing healthcare, in the UK the NHS is a complete joke; see the quote below: "My father recently needed emergency heart surgery to prevent an imminent aortic aneurysm. He was offered the choice of £20k for private surgery or free NHS surgery with a wait so long (over a month) that he would probably die in the queue. And this is someone who has paid millions of pounds in taxes over his lifetime!When my mother was dying in agony from Parkinson’s disease the NHS said it wasn’t cost effective to give her pain relief. We were forced to obtain diamorphine (essentially heroin) illegally. After my brother was brain damaged in a car crash (see Crash victim awarded record #1.2m damages (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11927697.crash-victim-awarded-record-12m-damages/) ) the NHS delivered him home in a coma and left us to care for him. My father says he saw the NHS speech therapist slap my brother across the face as hard as she could while he was in recovery from severe brain damage." Mexicans are not a race. Neither are the Haitians, El Salvador, or Africans (blacks are a race, but Africans are not). A lot of BS happens in the NHS. My uncle-in-law went to the NHS about lumps under his chin. NHS told him it was probably nothing to worry about. He went to Iran and found out it was cancer (he's fine now thankfully). My stepmum needed treatment for her shoulder pain, but the GP insisted she neeeded to see a chiropractor which made it much worse. There's a lot of situations of incompetence where they misdiagnose things or stall critical tests they deem unimportant, resulting in people dying who didn't need to. A lot of this is due to a policy of austerity the ruling party has instated for the last 10 years, which has severely cut funding for the NHS. That said, that quote sounds crazy. I had a broken ankle and was able to get it seen after a couple days. My dad got his triple bypass surgery very quickly after his heart attack. If your issue is an emergency, you'll get priority and moved up the queue. If you need intensive care, you'll get intensive care. And even if our system is flawed, noone in their right mind wants the American system. A lot of our issues apply equally or doubly to theirs. 60,000 people die every year because they can't afford basic healthcare, but Americans as a whole still pay twice as much per capita on healthcare. People have to start gofundmes to pay for their life-saving treatment, because the pharmaceutical companies charge them 20x the rest of the world. The American system is used as a boogeyman by our political parties in arguments LOL. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 81] Auteur : Date : April 30th, 2020 07:22 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass The entirety of the impeachment trial was total hot air. Trump was letting 100s of Saudi officials stay in his Trump Tower days before a massive weapons deal. That kind of indirect bribery is meant to be a huge no-no in the constitution. Carter had to sell his peanut farm because the republicans of the time insisted it could create a conflict of interest. Meanwhile, Trump is literally taking millions through his hotel business from Saudi Arabia, just before a major weapons contract. You know, Saudi Arabia? That country that's using said weapons to blow up hospitals and school buses in Yemen? The main exporter of weapons and goods to islamic fundamentalists alongside Iran? The one that executed feminist protesters for demonstrating for THE RIGHT TO DRIVE A CAR? Kween Pelosi chose not to push an impeachment case of emoluments though, because she's also bought by Saudi Arabia. So instead they had to push for this extremely weak ass angle of attack where they were like "omg you delayed our financial support to our proxy war with Russia wtf D:". As if US officials have never aggressively negotiated for oppo research before. interesting, where'd you hear about that? I've not heard of Trump consorting with Arabia; which sounds p strange considering he's pretty mad about terrorism. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 82] Auteur : Date : April 30th, 2020 07:23 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass oh boi what have I done. I think I've created a major political discussion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 83] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : April 30th, 2020 07:39 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass The Republicans tried to bring in eight witnesses but the House of Rep. refused - saying they had nothing to do with the impeachment trial. Furthermore, there is actually no evidence that Trump abused his power - he did not threaten Ukraine, and the Ukrainian president himself said he didn't feel threatened. Investigating a political candidate for corruption isn't a crime... what would be a crime would be to try to make up dirt on him. But, again, there is no evidence he did that. And the idea was to investigate Biden's son, for the most part. No, that was not a "conspiracy theory" his supporters made up: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived lastly, I appreciate that second passing/YZB are simply discussing this and not arguing about it. I really don't think politics should be important enough for people to hate each other about it; its just a difference of opinion. hell maybe you'll convince me otherwise or vice versa. or maybe not. still, they're probably not gonna be relevant 4 years from now so why fight about them? lol The Republicans didn't call any witnesses in the trials, they called witnesses in the inquiry. And they were, indeed, irrelevant. All the witnesses they called were relevant to Hunter Biden's alleged misconduct, when it's entirely besides the point whether or not he did anything wrong. It would have been political theatre by the Republicans to pull more wool over their supporters' eyes. Nobody said that investigating Biden's son is a crime, that is a complete misunderstanding of the whole point. The impeachment was around Trump withholding aid and using other political intimidation to push Ukraine to investigate the Bidens for supposed wrongdoing. And it doesn't matter whether the Ukrainian president claimed he felt threatened or not; a crime doesn't stop being a crime if the victim claims that it's fine. Even if he truly didn't feel threatened, it is absolutely unacceptable to set the precedent that political intimidation of this fashion is okay. Looking back, I realize that I mistook the Biden allegations for being a conspiracy theory, when it seems that there is weight behind those allegations (albeit there hasn't been any evidence found of wrongdoing either, at least not enough to press charges). Trump also pressured Ukraine to investigate a conspiracy theory about Ukraine hacking the DNC servers and not Russia, which is unfounded. Regardless, it doesn't matter if the crime occurred or not. Nobody thinks that Trump's crime was simply asking Ukraine to investigate Biden, that's a very disingenuous framing of the entire issue. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 84] Auteur : SuperJack Date : April 30th, 2020 09:57 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass *sips tea* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 85] Auteur : Date : April 30th, 2020 10:20 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass SJ!!!!!!11!one -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 86] Auteur : Helz Date : April 30th, 2020 11:15 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Oh and truthfully I think on policy and general politics Helz and I agree quite a bit, if not fully. I guess our only point of disagreement is approach to our roles as citizens, pertaining to voting strategy and importance of recent issues. He's more of an idealist I suppose, and I'm more of a pragmatist. I'd much prefer a better system where we wouldn't have to make compromises, and I think, for the two of us, an ideal society would look very similar. I feel like this is very fair. I like that we were able to take different positions on a subject as hairy as politics without ever touching ad hominem. I do still feel that news organizations as a whole hide their opinions behind purported facts and have trouble seeing the right as creating a narrative of anti-voting; but its something I will probably have to read into for a very long time before I can say I have a really valid opinion on the matter. On the subject of Google's bias its 100% a thing. Google as a company leans hard left. There was a scholarly journal I read a few years back that questioned if it was appropriate for search platforms to curve results and its abstract specifically mentioned how if you created a new account and searched the word 'news' on google the first 8 or 9 results were all left leaning news sources. For anyone that doesn't want to accept that just look at demonetization practices on youtube in relation to political viewpoints. I also push hard against calling the impeachment charade a 'trial'. A trial has structured law, burdens of proof, professionals who understand legal structure and above all- a Judge or Jury to decide on the matter. The impeachment farce was nothing more than a bunch of window licking politicians saying what they think and then arguing about if what they said is factual because they said it. I think its disgusting and offensive to our legal system to give that circus any measure of the respect that trials command and I like to push this position when I can. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 87] Auteur : DJarJar Date : April 30th, 2020 11:58 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass that saddest thing about this thread is seeing that the only difference between some of you is which "side" of the news you see -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 88] Auteur : Date : April 30th, 2020 12:19 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I think the saddest part about the thread is that politics has to be such a contentious issue when the only moment when your political leanings matter is when you vote. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 89] Auteur : yzb25 Date : April 30th, 2020 05:56 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass interesting, where'd you hear about that? I've not heard of Trump consorting with Arabia; which sounds p strange considering he's pretty mad about terrorism. https://gyazo.com/03dd6c8867ed22a020fcfa0356327e38 I don't know if you trust politifact but I generally find their assessments to be quite objective: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/jun/19/karl-racine/did-saudis-spend-money-trump-hotels-yes/ "The Foreign Agent Registration Act report mentions at least one filing which clearly shows that the Saudi government spent $270,000 at the Trump International Hotel for lodging and boarding expenses between October 2016 and March 2017. It’s not clear whether the entire expenses were paid before or after Trump became president. Our research showed it was some of both." A few months afterward Trump made a major weapons deal with the Saudis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_arms_deal -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 90] Auteur : yzb25 Date : April 30th, 2020 06:01 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass https://gyazo.com/03dd6c8867ed22a020fcfa0356327e38 I don't know if you trust politifact but I generally find their assessments to be quite objective: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/jun/19/karl-racine/did-saudis-spend-money-trump-hotels-yes/ "The Foreign Agent Registration Act report mentions at least one filing which clearly shows that the Saudi government spent $270,000 at the Trump International Hotel for lodging and boarding expenses between October 2016 and March 2017. It’s not clear whether the entire expenses were paid before or after Trump became president. Our research showed it was some of both." A few months afterward Trump made a major weapons deal with the Saudis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_arms_deal The UK also sells the Saudis tonnes of arms, for those who care about our little island. And I think people are reasonably sure Saudi was funnelling arms to ISIS a few years back. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 91] Auteur : Helz Date : May 1st, 2020 04:40 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I think the saddest part about the thread is that politics has to be such a contentious issue when the only moment when your political leanings matter is when you vote. Im not sure that I understand this position. Do morals only matter when they are exercised? I think belief systems and values hold value because when they are shared they can alter perspective. Simple things like this thread on a forum where we are talking about our political views can help to open our minds and change the way we think about the issues we face as a society. I feel like the existence of our values and beliefs holds intrinsic value. That its the predominate defining characteristic of our existence. In a word- I believe sharing my perspective and beliefs with others holds greater value than voting because of the direct impact it can have on others lives. Reaching out to another human being and letting them understand how you see them and feel about them keeps us from being alone. I can't imagine life without that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 92] Auteur : Brendan Date : May 1st, 2020 10:40 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass *sips tea* what the fuck -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 93] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : May 1st, 2020 11:23 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass what the fuck It's the most underrated post of this thread :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 94] Auteur : Stealthbomber16 Date : May 3rd, 2020 03:38 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Bernie is almost a communist At some point I hope we get an actual communist candidate so people can understand that having an actual universal healthcare system is NOT communism. It's getting the country to where we need it. I would've voted for Bernie if he made it through. I would probably vote for Biden if he selects Warren as his VP. If he doesn't then I really don't know where my vote belongs in this election. I feel like neither candidate represents my political thoughts. They're both old white dudes who offer opinions where they aren't needed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 95] Auteur : Date : May 3rd, 2020 04:07 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Im not sure that I understand this position. Do morals only matter when they are exercised? I think belief systems and values hold value because when they are shared they can alter perspective. Simple things like this thread on a forum where we are talking about our political views can help to open our minds and change the way we think about the issues we face as a society. I feel like the existence of our values and beliefs holds intrinsic value. That its the predominate defining characteristic of our existence. In a word- I believe sharing my perspective and beliefs with others holds greater value than voting because of the direct impact it can have on others lives. Reaching out to another human being and letting them understand how you see them and feel about them keeps us from being alone. I can't imagine life without that. I'll rephrase. I think it's sad that we have to hate each other for our political views. I think that the chance you're going to convince someone of your views is much higher if you don't resort to personal attacks; discuss the idea, not the person upholding it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 96] Auteur : Date : May 3rd, 2020 04:11 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass At some point I hope we get an actual communist candidate so people can understand that having an actual universal healthcare system is NOT communism. It's getting the country to where we need it. I would've voted for Bernie if he made it through. I would probably vote for Biden if he selects Warren as his VP. If he doesn't then I really don't know where my vote belongs in this election. I feel like neither candidate represents my political thoughts. They're both old white dudes who offer opinions where they aren't needed. I'm not so sure about that. According to this website: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-in-1972-i-dont-mind-people-calling-me-a-communist Bernie was investigated by the FBI at one point for ties to a far left party (the Socialist Workers' Party). A bit of hearsay, but it says that he used to hang pamphlets from revolutionary parties on his wall in his office, while mayor of Burlington. Plus, he honeymooned in the Soviet Union. So, it isn't just his healthcare plan that makes me think he's a communist. All this coupled with his far-left rhetoric (billionaire class, the top 1%, etc), put him somewhere far to the left in the political spectrum. Lastly, why do you find the fact that they're 'old white dudes' an issue? :P -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 97] Auteur : Date : May 3rd, 2020 04:18 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Trump is special because he is radically conservative. It's quite important in our view of politics today due to the Overton Window (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v-hzc6blGI). Because his ideas are louder and more radical than other conservative words going around it makes the less radical conservative policies put forth seem more acceptable. For instance, we still don't have his proposed wall, nor has the US government made Mexico pay for it yet, but we do have stricter immigration policies. Not everyone hates him, there are a bunch of Trump supporters, but he does grow dissent, even in his own party. Those that are opposed to his ideas also come within his own party (such as those are more center), but since they are "his" party they need to work with him if they want to enact policies acceptable to them. Bernie Sanders is probably the most liberal politician in Washington. He has voted along with his party like 298/300 times (don't quote me on that). He is also very popular where I live Portland, Oregon. A lot of people here are Bernie supporters. I wouldn't claim directly that Trump is pushing for an authoritarian government, but he has definitely overstepped the boundaries of US law. In fact, he has been impeached (accused) and is the 3rd or 4th president in history to be impeached. If you don't think Bill Clinton and Nixon were special, then you should neither think Trump is special. He wrote a letter/email/note to a high ranking official in Ukraine to soft-threaten him into looking into Biden so that he would have something to use against him in the next election. That is abuse of power. This evidence was not able to be brought up because of Senate Republicans voting along party lines to not incriminate Trump. Only two republicans dissented, one being Mitt Romney (rather famous for being center, and willing to make compromises) and the other somebody I forgot. (my view) I don't think there is any real doubt whether or not Trump abused power. The vote was solely to demonstrate partisanship. One side wrong does not make the other side right. This reminds me of when I talked to a member of my family about the Uyghurs in China being put into concentration camps. He countered that the US has killed loads of native people. Yes, the US killed many Native Americans AND China is putting native populations into concentration camps. Both are true. Similarly, Democrats in government do bad things, Republicans in government do bad things. The badness of their doings are also relatively different and of different scale. How Google presents information to you is a complex topic but at the base, aamirus is correct. It uses your search history to determine what to show you and is inherently biased BASED ON YOU. Google feeds many variables it collects about your searches (your search history, what you read, how long you read them...) and associates it statistically into program. This algorithm takes your sample set and tests it against what it guesses would interest you and spits out the results IOW Google search bias is based on your bias. (https://youtu.be/o6zfp6lRw2E?t=45) So watch out for your own internet bubble. This site really doesn't want me to post lol. I find that a very strange explanation because I've never searched anything like "Corona is bad" or whatever. I've always doubted it was as serious as they claimed it to be, hence why I'd find the idea of Google showing me results that I don't want to find (and that I've practically never googled) bizarre. I don't doubt the algorithm for determining the search hits is complex, but I'm not so sure we can put it down to something as simple as my search history. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 98] Auteur : Date : May 3rd, 2020 04:19 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Then again I suppose it's possible people who Google things like "Coronavirus fatality rate" or whatever might usually be looking for THOSE kinds of results? Meh. Fuck Google anyways. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 99] Auteur : Date : May 3rd, 2020 04:22 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass https://gyazo.com/03dd6c8867ed22a020fcfa0356327e38 I don't know if you trust politifact but I generally find their assessments to be quite objective: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/jun/19/karl-racine/did-saudis-spend-money-trump-hotels-yes/ "The Foreign Agent Registration Act report mentions at least one filing which clearly shows that the Saudi government spent $270,000 at the Trump International Hotel for lodging and boarding expenses between October 2016 and March 2017. It’s not clear whether the entire expenses were paid before or after Trump became president. Our research showed it was some of both." A few months afterward Trump made a major weapons deal with the Saudis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_arms_deal It does say he did it to undermine Iran's position (iirc Iran and Saudi Arabia don't like each other very much). but interesting nonetheless. makes me wonder what Saudi Arabia does with that money. Is Saudi Arabia anti-Israel? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 100] Auteur : SuperJack Date : May 3rd, 2020 05:43 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I'm not so sure about that. According to this website: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-in-1972-i-dont-mind-people-calling-me-a-communist Bernie was investigated by the FBI at one point for ties to a far left party (the Socialist Workers' Party). A bit of hearsay, but it says that he used to hang pamphlets from revolutionary parties on his wall in his office, while mayor of Burlington. Plus, he honeymooned in the Soviet Union. So, it isn't just his healthcare plan that makes me think he's a communist. All this coupled with his far-left rhetoric (billionaire class, the top 1%, etc), put him somewhere far to the left in the political spectrum. Lastly, why do you find the fact that they're 'old white dudes' an issue? :P I have to say those points compared to the rest of his life are incredibly picky. It's like finding a cat hair on someones jacket and come to the conclusion that they fuck cats. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 101] Auteur : Stealthbomber16 Date : May 3rd, 2020 06:27 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I have to say those points compared to the rest of his life are incredibly picky. It's like finding a cat hair on someones jacket and come to the conclusion that they fuck cats. You just said this way more eloquently than I ever would have. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 102] Auteur : yzb25 Date : May 4th, 2020 11:06 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass It does say he did it to undermine Iran's position (iirc Iran and Saudi Arabia don't like each other very much). but interesting nonetheless. makes me wonder what Saudi Arabia does with that money. Is Saudi Arabia anti-Israel? With all due respect, I strongly disagree with Wikipedia's assessment of Trump's intentions, taken from ABC and WSJ, two sources that are frankly atrocious. I wrote a long reply to that, but there's also a much shorter response: The Saudi government invariably gave this money as a bribe and Trump accepted this money, presumably aware he was being bribed. He then proceeded to do things the Saudi government liked. That is, if nothing else, an objective conflict of interest, plain and simple. I cannot definitively prove that Trump accepted this money with ulterior motives, because I am not inside of Trump's head. However, I doubt ABC and WSJ would hesitate to make the very natural assumption that some other world leader had ulterior motives, were they in the same situation. I would also hope it'd at least be clear to you that Hillary Clinton would absolutely be taking that money with ulterior motives, were she in that position LMAO. Iran and Saudi Arabia have been locked in a power struggle for decades. Iran's foreign objective is to expel Western forces from the Middle East, annihilate the state of Israel and support the rise of fellow authoritarian theocracies that will resist foreign interference. The Saudi objective is to support the rise of Salafism and reign as the undisputed power of the Islamic world, by any means necessary. Saudi Arabia and Israel have a mutual hatred of Iran, and their goals are also not incompatible. They are also strong mutual allies of the US. Hence they have a very close relationship. The assessment that the weapons deal was done to "counter-balance Iran" is wildly charitable. If one is concerned that a tyrannical, theocratic terrorist state is a threat to peace, one does not address that concern by funnelling billions of weapons to their more tyrannical, more theocratic and more terrorist neighbour. The kingdom is widely suspected to have funnelled funding and weapons to ISIS and other groups fighting Assad in Syria, an enemy of theirs. There's been leaks of high-ranking US officials espousing the claim, meaning the US government has intelligence that corroborates this. Trump would have agreed to the weapons deal aware of that intelligence. There's also lots of rich Saudi individuals funding a range terrorist groups aligned with the kingdom's agenda (including Al Qaeda, Al Nusra and the LeT), which the kingdom is aware of and does nothing to crack down on. The Saudi Kingdom is also using the US weapons to wage an illegal war in Yemen, targetting schools, hospitals and other fundamental civillian structures. Millions of people have already died, and the warring has been so ruthless that the Saudi kingdom has actually caused a famine. They are trying to crush the houthi rebels, which are aligned with Iran, in spite calls from the Houthi rebels for a ceasefire. These calls have been ignored, even in spite of the recent Corona outbreak. The weapons the US gov. have provided have played a critical role in allowing the Saudis to carry out this slaughter. The Iranian regime, though terrible in their own right, comes nowhere close to causing the level of devastation in the Middle East that the Saudis do. It should also be noted giving the Saudis weapons to fight catastrophic wars with Iranian proxies has done nothing to actually deter Iran's influence in the Middle East. In fact, these actions have largely helped to vindicate the terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas that Iran supports. A cynic may guess the US doesn't actually wish to truly destroy Iran's influence, because the presence of the Saudi/Iran rivalry creates a powerful demand for US weapons, and Iran's isolation allows the US to control the bulk of the world's oil exports. It is, in my view, far more plausible Trump is simply swayed by the millions in funds he's personally received from Saudi Arabia, and the extensive funding Saudi and Arms lobbyists funnel to the Republican party (and the Democrats). The Saudi government also sells its oil in dollars, which lends the US major economic power. There's also the following famous Trump quote regarding the kingdom: “Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million... Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.” -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 103] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : May 4th, 2020 04:22 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Current politics is the only field I think Wikipedia is absolutely crappy for, sources or not. You just cannot take it as much more unbiased than the people on this forum lol. This also applies to news, but to a lesser extent: they at least have to be neutral in some way or even FAKE being neutral, which is already a good start. Wikipedia doesn't. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 104] Auteur : secondpassing Date : May 4th, 2020 04:25 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass I find that a very strange explanation because I've never searched anything like "Corona is bad" or whatever. I've always doubted it was as serious as they claimed it to be, hence why I'd find the idea of Google showing me results that I don't want to find (and that I've practically never googled) bizarre. I don't doubt the algorithm for determining the search hits is complex, but I'm not so sure we can put it down to something as simple as my search history. Is it all that strange? I'm just saying to be aware that Google will show you different results based on your search patterns. I'm not sure how familiar you are with machine learning, but Google uses it to determine what to show you. It takes a test set (your search history) and creates a heuristic (a guess) into actual associations of what you would click on. Depending on where you click after it has made its guess, the algorithm revises its next heuristic to better match what it thinks you want. So yes, Google search results are biased based on your search history. Let's take my search result for example. Some of my relevant recent searches are: opb, intimate partner violence statistics, Uyghur, inflation, oil futures, Kyoto animation fires I also regularly search for statistics and occasionally read the abstracts of academic papers (I know, boring). So I don't think it was surprising that Google showed my original sources. From oops' search results, we can probably guess he reads a lot of news. While you might not have directly searched Corno is bad/hoax, everyone -including your- search results are biased based on what their search history is. http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26924&d=1588634348 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 105] Auteur : deathworlds Date : May 4th, 2020 04:37 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass Is it all that strange? I'm just saying to be aware that Google will show you different results based on your search patterns. I'm not sure how familiar you are with machine learning, but Google uses it to determine what to show you. It takes a test set (your search history) and creates a heuristic (a guess) into actual associations of what you would click on. Depending on where you click after it has made its guess, the algorithm revises its next heuristic to better match what it thinks you want. So yes, Google search results are biased based on your search history. This plays into a growing problem with social media in particular, we often put ourselves into these "info-bubbles" where we isolate ourselves from information that we dislike, and based on these algorithms (in Facebook in particular) you're shown content you're more likely to "like" and less likely to dislike. People tend to "like" content they agree with, thus Facebook shows you almost exclusively information that you agree with. This creates a sort of positive feedback loop, to the point where some people's perception of reality completely disagrees with another person's. EDIT: I should also talk about how this plays into the human psyche, humans are tribalistic by nature, we tend to group up with people that we share traits with, whether that be race, gender, political alignment, or interest. Machine algorithms are more than likely exploiting this aspect of the human psyche. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 106] Auteur : secondpassing Date : May 4th, 2020 04:48 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass With all due respect, I strongly disagree with Wikipedia's assessment of Trump's intentions, taken from ABC and WSJ, two sources that are frankly atrocious. I wrote a long reply to that, but there's also a much shorter response: The Saudi government invariably gave this money as a bribe and Trump accepted this money, presumably aware he was being bribed. He then proceeded to do things the Saudi government liked. That is, if nothing else, an objective conflict of interest, plain and simple. I cannot definitively prove that Trump accepted this money with ulterior motives, because I am not inside of Trump's head. However, I doubt ABC and WSJ would hesitate to make the very natural assumption that some other world leader had ulterior motives, were they in the same situation. I would also hope it'd at least be clear to you that Hillary Clinton would absolutely be taking that money with ulterior motives, were she in that position LMAO. Iran and Saudi Arabia have been locked in a power struggle for decades. Iran's foreign objective is to expel Western forces from the Middle East, annihilate the state of Israel and support the rise of fellow authoritarian theocracies that will resist foreign interference. The Saudi objective is to support the rise of Salafism and reign as the undisputed power of the Islamic world, by any means necessary. Saudi Arabia and Israel have a mutual hatred of Iran, and their goals are also not incompatible. They are also strong mutual allies of the US. Hence they have a very close relationship. The assessment that the weapons deal was done to "counter-balance Iran" is wildly charitable. If one is concerned that a tyrannical, theocratic terrorist state is a threat to peace, one does not address that concern by funnelling billions of weapons to their more tyrannical, more theocratic and more terrorist neighbour. The kingdom is widely suspected to have funnelled funding and weapons to ISIS and other groups fighting Assad in Syria, an enemy of theirs. There's been leaks of high-ranking US officials espousing the claim, meaning the US government has intelligence that corroborates this. Trump would have agreed to the weapons deal aware of that intelligence. There's also lots of rich Saudi individuals funding a range terrorist groups aligned with the kingdom's agenda (including Al Qaeda, Al Nusra and the LeT), which the kingdom is aware of and does nothing to crack down on. The Saudi Kingdom is also using the US weapons to wage an illegal war in Yemen, targetting schools, hospitals and other fundamental civillian structures. Millions of people have already died, and the warring has been so ruthless that the Saudi kingdom has actually caused a famine. They are trying to crush the houthi rebels, which are aligned with Iran, in spite calls from the Houthi rebels for a ceasefire. These calls have been ignored, even in spite of the recent Corona outbreak. The weapons the US gov. have provided have played a critical role in allowing the Saudis to carry out this slaughter. The Iranian regime, though terrible in their own right, comes nowhere close to causing the level of devastation in the Middle East that the Saudis do. It should also be noted giving the Saudis weapons to fight catastrophic wars with Iranian proxies has done nothing to actually deter Iran's influence in the Middle East. In fact, these actions have largely helped to vindicate the terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas that Iran supports. A cynic may guess the US doesn't actually wish to truly destroy Iran's influence, because the presence of the Saudi/Iran rivalry creates a powerful demand for US weapons, and Iran's isolation allows the US to control the bulk of the world's oil exports. It is, in my view, far more plausible Trump is simply swayed by the millions in funds he's personally received from Saudi Arabia, and the extensive funding Saudi and Arms lobbyists funnel to the Republican party (and the Democrats). The Saudi government also sells its oil in dollars, which lends the US major economic power. There's also the following famous Trump quote regarding the kingdom: “Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million... Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.” I really don't think your post deserves that spoiler around that juicy, juicy information. The US conflict in the middle east is very complex and that information helps enlighten us about it. I do have two problems with your opinions in the spoiler though.. "It is, in my view, far more plausible Trump is simply swayed by the millions in funds he's personally received from Saudi Arabia" The US government has been backing Saudi Arabia for quite a long time. Obama and Bush's administrations also sent them weapons and money while not building hotels or whatnot there. While I believe your statement to be true, I don't think this point deserves the same amount of attention as for the other reasons the US backs Saudi Arabia. More prominent reasons are the economic and political ties to that government. "The Iranian regime, though terrible in their own right, comes nowhere close to causing the level of devastation in the Middle East that the Saudis do. It should also be noted giving the Saudis weapons to fight catastrophic wars with Iranian proxies has done nothing to actually deter Iran's influence in the Middle East." First, I find that evaluation of their "destructiveness" to be unfair. Considering all of Saudi Arabia and Iran's proxies, I would say that it's about equal. Iran's government also seems more ambitious in its goals and had they more resources, I believe they would create greater humanitarian crimes. Second, supplying Saudi Arabia with weapons does deter Iran's influence. It's true, Iran has nonetheless greatly expanded its field of power, but I think it would have been much bigger had Saudi Arabia had less support from the US government. ____ Good post yzb. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 107] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : May 4th, 2020 09:56 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass This plays into a growing problem with social media in particular, we often put ourselves into these "info-bubbles" where we isolate ourselves from information that we dislike, and based on these algorithms (in Facebook in particular) you're shown content you're more likely to "like" and less likely to dislike. People tend to "like" content they agree with, thus Facebook shows you almost exclusively information that you agree with. This creates a sort of positive feedback loop, to the point where some people's perception of reality completely disagrees with another person's. EDIT: I should also talk about how this plays into the human psyche, humans are tribalistic by nature, we tend to group up with people that we share traits with, whether that be race, gender, political alignment, or interest. Machine algorithms are more than likely exploiting this aspect of the human psyche. Y E S. The conclusion of this post is "Facebook sucks" imo. For business reasons maybe (since everyone is on it apparently), but outside of that, it's bad and untrustable. :( -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 108] Auteur : oops_ur_dead Date : May 5th, 2020 08:50 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass From oops' search results, we can probably guess he reads a lot of news. My results were in incognito mode using a VPN, so they weren't influenced by any search history. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 109] Auteur : secondpassing Date : May 5th, 2020 04:57 PM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass My results were in incognito mode using a VPN, so they weren't influenced by any search history.So I guess not. Maybe Google expects more people to want to read news then. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 110] Auteur : Helz Date : May 13th, 2020 09:56 AM Title : Re: lmaooo anyone who still supports trump is actually a genuine fucking dumbass This plays into a growing problem with social media in particular, we often put ourselves into these "info-bubbles" where we isolate ourselves from information that we dislike, and based on these algorithms (in Facebook in particular) you're shown content you're more likely to "like" and less likely to dislike. People tend to "like" content they agree with, thus Facebook shows you almost exclusively information that you agree with. This creates a sort of positive feedback loop, to the point where some people's perception of reality completely disagrees with another person's. EDIT: I should also talk about how this plays into the human psyche, humans are tribalistic by nature, we tend to group up with people that we share traits with, whether that be race, gender, political alignment, or interest. Machine algorithms are more than likely exploiting this aspect of the human psyche. I have a lot of respect for this post. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-