* * * SC2 Mafia Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game) https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46924 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 24th, 2020 04:00 PM Title : S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game) Summer 2020 Day One LINK TO SETUP (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/41590-S-FM-SC2Mafia-(13P-1-0)) 5 Rolelist Alive Players Graveyard Mafia Any Mafia Any Town Any Town Any Town Any Citizen Citizen Citizen Citizen 1. Auwt 2. Renegade 3. Dallarian 4. MartinGG99 5. Helltanis 6. Zedus 7. Grakylan 8. Ash Lael 9. bakermir DAY ENDS IN 01:23:59:58 QuickLinks LINK TO SETUP (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/41590-S-FM-SC2Mafia-(13P-1-0)) PostCount (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=46924) Day One (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=869839&viewfull=1#post869839) Day Two (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=870669&viewfull=1#post870669) Day Three ("") -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 hi Renegade -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:02 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Aw, I saw Renegade veiwing the active games and thought he would be the 2nd to be here thats in the game, but now i see Auwt D: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 04:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Aw, I saw Renegade veiwing the active games and thought he would be the 2nd to be here thats in the game, but now i see Auwt D: Why are you slandering my good name? WOW. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 04:04 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am here. Looking forward to this vet free game. We don't have to play by "their" goofy meta rules, which usually lead to a town loss. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 24th, 2020 04:06 PM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Decent post : I'm going to sleep, have fun everyone (no?) and may the best team win! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 04:07 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Decent post : I'm going to sleep, have fun everyone (no?) and may the best team win! May the best team win? That isn't how this is supposed to work. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I thought of a question for all to start things: If you were a TPR and could choose any role possible within the setup that is a TPR, what would it be? Me, I would choose coroner. I think having potential information by d3 over what roles exist would be great, assuming we dont mislynch two days straight. Then things are rough. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 04:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I thought of a question for all to start things: If you were a TPR and could choose any role possible within the setup that is a TPR, what would it be? Me, I would choose coroner. I think having potential information by d3 over what roles exist would be great, assuming we dont mislynch two days straight. Then things are rough. Interesting. Coroner is an OP and criminally underrated role in the mod. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 24th, 2020 04:16 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you stare into the graveyard, the graveyard stares back at you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 04:16 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I thought of a question for all to start things: If you were a TPR and could choose any role possible within the setup that is a TPR, what would it be? Me, I would choose coroner. I think having potential information by d3 over what roles exist would be great, assuming we dont mislynch two days straight. Then things are rough. But why do you ask? What would fantasizing about town power roles do to help us? I mean, I daydream too, but this seems a bit much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Interesting. Coroner is an OP and criminally underrated role in the mod. It can be in the mod, but here on FM the dynamics can be completely different. The biggest example I feel of this is the fact that any mafia member can carry out the factional team kill while keeping their role. So if they had a Consort and a Kidnapper, where the Consort did the killing, the coroner could find out that the killer was a Consort and therefore any Escort claims would be suspect. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 04:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hi everybody! New here obviously. Also kinda new to mafia in general. Not used to playing with power roles really and I’m not sure how that affects the game. I’ve looked at the set up and all the Power roles but I can’t promise to keep them straight in my head. I’ll do my best though! A couple of quick mechanical questions: how do we vote, do we have majority voting/hammers, are votes locked in lylo, etc? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 04:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I thought of a question for all to start things: If you were a TPR and could choose any role possible within the setup that is a TPR, what would it be? Me, I would choose coroner. I think having potential information by d3 over what roles exist would be great, assuming we dont mislynch two days straight. Then things are rough. Uh, doesn’t this sort of talk risk helping the wolves figure out who the power roles are? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hi everybody! New here obviously. Also kinda new to mafia in general. Not used to playing with power roles really and I’m not sure how that affects the game. I’ve looked at the set up and all the Power roles but I can’t promise to keep them straight in my head. I’ll do my best though! A couple of quick mechanical questions: how do we vote, do we have majority voting/hammers, are votes locked in lylo, etc? You can vote by doing this: MartinGG99[vote] Where in the second vote part, you include a " / " in there like so: It'll become this: MartinGG99 Lynching occurs once 51% of votes are for lynching a person, and the day ends, according to this setup. Votes are not locked in at lylo, for this setup i believe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ah shoot, i messed the code up. Basically its two [/vote] boxes, where the first one doesn't have the / and the middle contains the username. MartinGG99 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Uh, doesn’t this sort of talk risk helping the wolves figure out who the power roles are? I don't think so. Especially if everyone answers. Regardless, this was inquiring about what we wanted to be. Not if we got a TPR, and if that TPR was what we wanted. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 24th, 2020 04:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 MartinGG99 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 04:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You can vote by doing this: MartinGG99[vote] Where in the second vote part, you include a " / " in there like so: It'll become this: MartinGG99 Lynching occurs once 51% of votes are for lynching a person, and the day ends, according to this setup. Votes are not locked in at lylo, for this setup i believe. Thanks very much! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 04:36 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Uh, doesn’t this sort of talk risk helping the wolves figure out who the power roles are? Yes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 04:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't think so. Especially if everyone answers. Regardless, this was inquiring about what we wanted to be. Not if we got a TPR, and if that TPR was what we wanted. Yeah but the way people answer could give hints. Like I’ve only played one game really (my champs game on MU) but everyone there was pretty hardcore against discussing anything about power roles for that reason. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There are two phases : the day phase and the night phase. The day phase usually lasts 48 hours; the night, 24. During the night, players sumbit their night actions by PMing the Host. They may also participate in their night chat if they have one. The night is notably the time when Mafia chooses who they want to kill. During the day, everyone posts in the game thread, created by the game's Host. Usually, every day has a Lynch possiblity. Depending on the lynch system, requirements to lynch (kill) a player change. However, there are two lynch systems that are commonly used : majority and plurality. Majority lynch is a lynch system that requires [51% of living players] votes to lynch a player, while Plurality lynch happens at End of Day; the person with the most votes gets lynched. The two systems can be combined in plurality + majority, which results in plurality lynch rules with the addition of Majority lynch possiblity during the day. In order to vote against a player, use the The player's name format. The vote system of the forum will automatically take your vote into account. Once the lynch requirement is met, the Host will close the thread and show the player's flip (their role and alignment, usually). If lynch is attained through Majority, @The Godfather (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=8070) , our lynch bot, will post a final vote count and close the thread. Lynching a player kills them, effectively removing them from the game. They cannot post, vote, or use any actions, unless the Setup specifies otherwise. In order to see where votes are placed, click the "Vote Count" button at top left of the page. Ash Lael I took this from https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45499-New-FM-Player-s-Guide?p=828654#post828654 which is mostly an introductory guide for those new to FM, but this has tidbits about the forums specifically here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 04:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 MartinGG99 Is this just a random vote, or do you feel like the power role question is alignment indicative? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:48 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah but the way people answer could give hints. Like I’ve only played one game really (my champs game on MU) but everyone there was pretty hardcore against discussing anything about power roles for that reason. I am fairly familiar with the setup the champs has going on right now, given that I've already read some (Sorry for what happened to your game by the way). There was a very good reason for avoiding TPR's is because there was only one TPR possible, which was the JOAT. So if you were talking anything about power roles at all then you could be in serious trouble as someone may think you were bread crumbing it. But since there's a multitude of possibilities, i don't really see a hazard in doing this question. Is this just a random vote, or do you feel like the power role question is alignment indicative? Also, I do feel some aspects of this question, when taken into full account when everyone or most respond to it, can be Alignment Indicative. Or at the very least good basis for some reads. But if i explained exactly why then scum could just ruin it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 04:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, I do feel some aspects of this question, when taken into full account when everyone or most respond to it, can be Alignment Indicative. Or at the very least good basis for some reads. But if i explained exactly why then scum could just ruin it. How can answers be alignment indicative if the question it self is not? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 24th, 2020 04:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Is this just a random vote, or do you feel like the power role question is alignment indicative? I feel like I want to know why did he start talking about coroner, town power out of nothing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 04:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How can answers be alignment indicative if the question it self is not? Im not sure if I should answer that just yet, considering only 3 people (other than me) are present (in that they have posted after my question) and have reacted to it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 05:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How can answers be alignment indicative if the question it self is not? Anyways, if you think this question is bad then how would you propose a new one? I mean, I doubt you could explain it to me without revealing a question's secret, as a question's secret is, after all, meant to suprise scum in order to get a (hopefully) accurate read on them. I ask the same of Ash Lael too. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 05:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I feel like I want to know why did he start talking about coroner, town power out of nothing. Im not sure if I should answer that just yet, considering only 3 people (other than me) are present (in that they have posted after my question) and have reacted to it. Yeah, I think you should. MartinGG99 I don’t want anyone answering that question and I do want you to explain yourself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 05:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyways, if you think this question is bad then how would you propose a new one? I mean, I doubt you could explain it to me without revealing a question's secret, as a question's secret is, after all, meant to suprise scum in order to get a (hopefully) accurate read on them. I ask the same of Ash Lael too. For a start I would ask about literally anything other than power roles. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 05:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah, I think you should. I don’t want anyone answering that question and I do want you to explain yourself. Well then, I hope you get insights from whoever votes me, and whoever answers that question. I've only gotten responses from 3 people out of the 8 possible, and I had hoped for more. Remember that only 4 votes are needed in order to set me up for a scum hammer. They'll end the day before even a quarter of it has passed, and all that time for town discussion will be gone. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 05:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack How would I go about in writing a Last Will? I know the setup mentions to PM the host, but are there any limitations or specific format? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 05:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Wtf is this? Two votes and you’re already talking like a dead man? While still refusing to answer the question? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 05:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Wtf is this? Two votes and you’re already talking like a dead man? While still refusing to answer the question? Im encouraging people to respond to my question, regardless of whether or not they actually answer it. The question the host was one that I didn't know, and wanted to ask now just in case 12 hours from now, despite my future explanation, I would be lynched. But I believe everyone here are sensible people. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 05:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Correction/elaboration: The question to the Host was a question with regards to something I did not know. I couldn't find any sort of proper structure mentioning it (other than the setup) so i had to ask the host. Of couse, hosts have real lives and can take awhile to respond. That means asking earlier than when i need to ask it is better. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 05:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Renegade, what do you make of all this? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 24th, 2020 05:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well yeah sure. People will wake up, see what you wrote and you will be up there eventually. So I thought of a question for all to start things: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 24th, 2020 05:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack How would I go about in writing a Last Will? I know the setup mentions to PM the host, but are there any limitations or specific format? No. Just same rules as a normal post I guess. If there is a problem with any last wills I will let the author know. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 05:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Renegade, what do you make of all this? I think it is really goofy. Regardless of what he thinks, why didn't he just write it off as "beginning of game banter" or something simple. He is making this way more complicated than it needs to be already and we are 2 pages in LMAO. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 40] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 05:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well yeah sure. People will wake up, see what you wrote and you will be up there eventually. I think it is really goofy. Regardless of what he thinks, why didn't he just write it off as "beginning of game banter" or something simple. He is making this way more complicated than it needs to be already and we are 2 pages in LMAO. Its mighty easy to strawman a person for starting a game with a question when no one else has proposed one. Of course, part of that is on my part due to the nature of the question. However, as i've stated, this is about hypotheticals, if we were a TPR and if we had a choice in choosing our TPR. I could easily see everyone answering this, with their hypothetical wants or choice, and the scum wouldn't know any better about who's who in regards to roles. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 41] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 05:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Where you lose me is when you argue that the answers would provide no hints about roles if the responses came from town, but might if they came from scum. Like if it’s completely hypothetical and nothing anyone says could imply anything about what role they have... then how is it supposed to help you catch wolves? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 42] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 06:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I've mulled it over a bit. I had hoped more people would answer it. Basically, the point of the question was to figure out who would question me, and to what extent. I figure if people are town, they don't have an informed majority, and therefore are more skeptical of things. I wanted be proactive and get a good pool of reads to start from, and then other people might make their own informed analyses of it in the future. For example, if someone acted towny by questioning my motives and actions, but then refrained from attacking someone else in the future, that could be telling. If you review my past posts, you might see that I was hinting that I even counted your agression towards the question as an acceptable response, because thats the point. Scum might just answer it freely without care or question because they think there's nothing telling about it since it would be hypothetical. Where you lose me is when you argue that the answers would provide no hints about roles if the responses came from town, but might if they came from scum. When I meant "hints", im referring to the act where a person who is a TPR says something in response, and because of who they are, their answers are altered in such a way that a normal citizen would not have worded it. Considering this was a question where we could all say what we wanted, I sincerely believed being a TPR had no influence on what people answered. In hindsight, I suppose not answering the question out of fear could be accidentally hinting though, not that I believe that has occurred. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 43] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 06:05 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here's my notes that I took about 30 minutes ago for it. Initial reads (1 hour 30 mins in): Auwt is sleeping. Ash Lael is probably town Bakermir is null, I might find out later with my explanation. Might be scum due to lack of depth in response? Dallarian is not here yet. Grakylan is not here yet. Helltanis is not here yet. Renegade seemed towny, but then again he hasn't voted me. Null-> Town leaning Zedus is not here yet. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 44] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 06:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I apologize if you feel this question was counter intuitive to the town Ash Lael , but i hope you can understand now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 45] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 06:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Of course, all these reads are inital and are by no means the truth and may be subject to change. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 46] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 24th, 2020 06:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here's my notes that I took about 30 minutes ago for it. Initial reads (1 hour 30 mins in): Auwt is sleeping. Ash Lael is probably town Bakermir is null, I might find out later with my explanation. Might be scum due to lack of depth in response? Dallarian is not here yet. Grakylan is not here yet. Helltanis is not here yet. Renegade seemed towny, but then again he hasn't voted me. Null-> Town leaning Zedus is not here yet. The way you started talking about being a coroner and random lynching was quite odd. I dislike it when people discuss roles like that. But then I casually voted you up. I just wanted to hear more from you. It felt like you wanted to tell us more about power roles. At this point; you began lobbying for support from other two people in the conversation and started giving excuses about a possible misunderstanding. As more people realized the purpose of voting you up; you continue to be very defensive and even to a point where you call someone a scum because they didn't explain in depth why they voted you up. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 47] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 06:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I feel like I want to know why did he start talking about coroner, town power out of nothing. Well yeah sure. People will wake up, see what you wrote and you will be up there eventually. I honestly don't believe 2 posts, each only about 2 sentence's worth, is really depth in the criticism of my question. Then again, I only had you three to judge from, and considering there's a 57.8% (1 - ( 6 / chance that one of the mafia were one of you three, then I would choose you for that. Remember, though, 5 other people haven't "arrived" yet. There's a distinct possibility I may be wrong, but at least all our actions are known here for future reference as circumstantial evidence. For or against me. But please do remember that I tried to do something to enlighten ourselves about each other in the town. Its only with our collective effort can we solve the game and catch the scum/mafia. I don't seriously think you are mafia or scum unless there's future evidence in connection with this that would convince me of that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 48] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 06:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Woops, didn't finish the equation. Its (1 - (6 / 8)^ 3). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 49] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 06:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 1 - ( 6 / 8 ) ^ 3 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 50] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 06:45 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I apologize if you feel this question was counter intuitive to the town Ash Lael , but i hope you can understand now. Hmm. Reads: MartinGG99: I really don’t know what to make of this guy. I still don’t like the question and think it’s dangerous for town. I was trying to figure out if he was just a clueless townie earlier, but he’s shown now that he’s definitely not clueless. So he’s either smart town or a smart wolf. If he’s smart town, it’s all as he says. He disagrees with me that the question could help expose our power roles, and was looking for reactions (and got a few). Ok, fine, fair enough. If he’s smart wolf the plan was to potentially expose some power roles, while having an “escape hatch” in claiming what he has. Possibly also gain some town cred for later by saying “Hey look, why would I draw attention To myself like that if I was scum?” He’s definitely got the balls to stare down a couple of votes, and has made the judgement that this play will not get him lynched (correctly or otherwise). So either world is entirely possible. I guess the only alignment indicative part is the question of how likely it is that a smart, thoughtful player doesn’t see the risk to town? I think... possible but relatively unlikely? He himself even mentioned a possible risk (a power role might avoid answering out of fear), so he’s clearly capable of seeing the risks. Perhaps they didn’t occur to him at first, but he seems like he would have thought this through at least a bit. Plus he’s been very helpful and friendly to me - teaching me about the mechanics of the site and offering condolences for the cancelled game. Could just be a naturally nice and friendly guy - and I’m sorry for suspecting you for this Martin if you are! - but it’s also a cheap, easy way to get brownie points as a wolf. So after all that I end up with a scum lean on him. I don’t feel confident in it, but I do want to keep my vote on him for now. Renegade: Present, has opinions, seems to want to stay on the sidelines a bit. Critical of Martin’s play but didn’t really do anything about it. Could just be their personality, some people don’t like brawling. Tweaking me, but not enough to move them down from null yet. Bakermir - I like this guy. Puts himself out there, isn’t afraid to push or to start a wagon. I feel a bit of town hunger in him. Town lean. Everyone else - null. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 51] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 07:04 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hmm. Reads: MartinGG99: I really don’t know what to make of this guy. I still don’t like the question and think it’s dangerous for town. I was trying to figure out if he was just a clueless townie earlier, but he’s shown now that he’s definitely not clueless. So he’s either smart town or a smart wolf. If he’s smart town, it’s all as he says. He disagrees with me that the question could help expose our power roles, and was looking for reactions (and got a few). Ok, fine, fair enough. If he’s smart wolf the plan was to potentially expose some power roles, while having an “escape hatch” in claiming what he has. Possibly also gain some town cred for later by saying “Hey look, why would I draw attention To myself like that if I was scum?” He’s definitely got the balls to stare down a couple of votes, and has made the judgement that this play will not get him lynched (correctly or otherwise). So either world is entirely possible. I guess the only alignment indicative part is the question of how likely it is that a smart, thoughtful player doesn’t see the risk to town? I think... possible but relatively unlikely? He himself even mentioned a possible risk (a power role might avoid answering out of fear), so he’s clearly capable of seeing the risks. Perhaps they didn’t occur to him at first, but he seems like he would have thought this through at least a bit. Plus he’s been very helpful and friendly to me - teaching me about the mechanics of the site and offering condolences for the cancelled game. Could just be a naturally nice and friendly guy - and I’m sorry for suspecting you for this Martin if you are! - but it’s also a cheap, easy way to get brownie points as a wolf. I have no objections to your evaluation of me. I think you've made a few valid points of me. Although, this suggests to me that you think there are circumstances that of which I didn't think of. To be completely honest and fair, I am willing to admit there's a fair possibility of that. Even though I've done some homework towards understanding FM, my inexperience in playing FM could mean that I am currently unaware or incapable of thinking of circumstances where the hazard exists. I mean, after all, you were the one who went to a Champs game at MU. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 52] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 07:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I have no objections to your evaluation of me. I think you've made a few valid points of me. Although, this suggests to me that you think there are circumstances that of which I didn't think of. To be completely honest and fair, I am willing to admit there's a fair possibility of that. Even though I've done some homework towards understanding FM, my inexperience in playing FM could mean that I am currently unaware or incapable of thinking of circumstances where the hazard exists. I mean, after all, you were the one who went to a Champs game at MU. How inexperienced are you? And how much of champs have you spectated/read this season? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 53] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 07:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How inexperienced are you? And how much of champs have you spectated/read this season? Inexperienced as in this is literally my first FM game. I watched/read yours, season 7 game 8, I think I read parts of the season 3 game where Sorian was the last survivng mafia and made it to the end despite all his teammates being put to the chopping block on the first three days. I've watched three or four episodes of the podcast, all game reviews. And I've kind of just read bits here and there. I cant remember what exactly everything I've read since i was putting in a few hours each day for about a week. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 54] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 07:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Chances are is that I felt overconfident with the amount of watching/reading that I did and therefore didn't spend enough time thinking about the possible outcomes of my question. However, I am only a noob in terms of experience, so what can one expect? :huh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 55] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 07:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyways, I'm just going to chill here for a bit unless you have further questions. I mean, I've posted half (or nearly half) the post count as of right now. I'll be more active again when more people start arriving. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 56] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 07:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hmm. Yeah ok, I guess I can see it coming from a smart-but-inexperienced town Martin. Not that I’m particularly experienced myself - this will (hopefully!) be my first non-cancelled forum game - but I have spent a lot of time following games and hanging out in spec chat and so forth and absorbed a fair bit of stuff by osmosis. Ok, a couple more questions. 1) What would your start of game strategy been if you were scum? 2) How did you feel when the second vote went on? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 57] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 07:44 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh, and 3) What brought you here for your first game? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 58] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 07:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah I'm waiting for more peepz to engage.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 59] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 08:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah I'm waiting for more peepz to engage.... Well how about you give us your reads on the three other people who have engaged so far? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 60] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 08:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok, a couple more questions. 1) What would your start of game strategy been if you were scum? If I'm going to be absolutely honest, potentially quite similar to what I did at the start of this game, maybe select a more sketchy question or don't question at all since a scum would already know who's town (which is possibly what I got most from the question). The socializing aspect of FM appeals to me and, as it applies to myself, it doesn't make much sense to me to participate in a social game only to not be social when evil. I really like discussing and arguing for or against things (though i will admit i rarely, but sometimes, have an ego problem that i'm always working to try and fix). 2) How did you feel when the second vote went on? I did feel slightly concerned that nobody was going to answer my question directly. I had hope there would be a more varied response (which normally would come with more responses) to evaluate and make reads upon. This early in the game, ISO's are pointless in my opinion (with the low post count and attendance) and so the only thing I have for reads are reactions, If all the reactions are relatively the same, then either I've evaluated all towns or everyone simply would react in the same way, making the question itself pointless along with it reads. And if that's so, then all I did was very little. Oh, and 3) What brought you here for your first game? I used to play the mod version of -Mafia- on Starcraft II. I have had around 700 games of it, and they were quite fun. Unfortunately, i need to maintain a bit of variety in my life otherwise it quickly gets boring no matter how fun something is. I heard about FM and knew about it for awhile, but I was discouraged to check it out primarily due to two things: 1. Years earlier I was dealing with depression and a few select issues that made me doubt my competence for a game that may have a heavier emphasis on the social aspect. If you ever look into the mod, you'll see its much more speedy and there's almost always a power role for everyone, as the primary way of catching evils is often derived from role-based leads. There was often little behavioral analysis and assuming you remembered all the 54 role interactions, it was fairly simple. However, that leads me to my 2nd reason 2. I also was concerned about the massive expanse of additional roles that could be added to the game, and considering the mod almost always used "[Alignment] [Role type (I.e. killing)] Random" slots, and i had felt that with the flexibility of FM, it would be harder to remember roles and whatnot since there could be a bunch more. Thankfully, all the possible roles and role interactions are more clearly explained on setup pages for FM. Its only untill recently about 2 weeks ago SuperJack mentioned it to me and I looked into it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 61] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 08:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 As part of a habit due to a feature from Starcraft II's mod -Mafia-, I took note of certain role chances and etc. Here's some of them. KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST OF THESE ARE VERY IN-GENERAL AND NOT CASE SPECIFIC -------------- Mafia has a 42% (3/7) chance of killing a town power role this night, and another 42% (3/7) chance of having the non-killing role target a TPR (assuming all Town Any aren't Citizen). Town power roles with targetable abilities each only have a 25% (2/8) chance of targeting a mafia tonight. Collectively, that means a 57.8% (1-(6/8)^3) chance that at least one of the TPRs will target a mafia this night. Doctor/Bodyguard has 12.5% (1/8) chance of healing/guarding the mafia kill target, assuming the Doc/BG isn't the mafia kill target. Detective has a 12.5% (1/8) chance of tracking the mafia who goes to kill. Jailor has a 25% (2/8) chance of jailing a mafia, but keep in mind the other mafia can just kill for them. Mason/Crier can't target anything, and considering Mason cannot convert, Mason is worth less than crier unless double roll. Escort has a 25% (2/8) of hitting mafia, but also has 25% (2/8) to hit a TPR, and 12.5% (1/8) within the first 25% to hit the killer. Assuming Veteran is visited while on Alert, there is a 50% (2/4) chance that they are mafia. Lookouts aren't immune to veteran. Obviously, Cororner, Mayor, and Marshall can't target mafia but they have their obvious uses in their abilities. We can skip lynching people, but based on the information above, I suggest we don't. In which case, I hope we can come to a consensus by the end of this day phase on who to lynch. ---------------- More stats: If you are a TPR and reveal, there is a 33.9% (1 -(13/16)^2) chance that *a* Bodyguard, Doc, or Bus Driver exists in the other two TPR's. Additionally, there's a 55% (1 - (6/9)^2) chance that one of the two mafias are a Consort, Beguiler, or Kidnapper. There is also a 17.6% (1 - (15/16)^3) chance that one of the TPR's could have rolled Citizen. There is a 33% (1 - (14/16)^3) chance that one of the TPR's is a Mayor or Marshall ---------------- DAY 2 STATS IF WE LYNCH A TOWNIE, AND A TOWNIE DIES NIGHT 1 Presumably, a TPR wouldn't get lynched as they would reveal, probably only to be night killed. Mafia has either a 60% (3/5) chance or 40% (2/5) chance to kill a TPR Doctor/Bodyguard has a 16.6% (1/6) chance of healing/guarding a mafia kill target, unless they themselves are the target. Detective has a 16.6% (1/6) chance of tracking the mafia who goes to kill. Jailor has a 33% (2/6) chance of jailing either of the mafias on night 2. Escort has a 33% (2/6) chance of hitting mafia, but can also have either a 33% (2/6) or 16.6% (1/6) chance to hit a TPR. Veteran has a 50% (2/4) or 66% (2/3) chance of hitting a mafia if he is visited that night. As stated before, lookouts are not immune. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 62] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 08:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Darn 8) emojis, whenever you see one of them, its supposed to be an " 8 ) " -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 63] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 24th, 2020 08:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well how about you give us your reads on the three other people who have engaged so far? Sure- Marino is currently null for me. I think the over the top start was and flim flam was a bit goofy but ultimately NAI to me at this time. I like that he wants to create discussion, but copious amount of random discussion doesn't help town IMO. Bakemire - Not much to go off here other than the pushing of Marino a bit. Null. Ash Loreal- snappy, seems towny, with the pointed questions and responses which are posed so far to extract information that would be useful for town. Leans town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 64] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 24th, 2020 08:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alright, its 11:50 PM here. I'm going to head to bed. I'll be back here hopefully for another hour or two in the morning, and sporadically through the rest of tomorrow. I wish you all good luck, and I hope our discussions today will prove useful in the future. As a side note, if you're left thinking that I implied that I was evil in response to Ash's question, then allow me to put it in another way: While I am currently posting a lot, that is because I like being social in this game, not because I am Town. Even if I were not Town, I would still like to post a lot because I like being social in this game. I honestly enjoy discussing arguments and the points for them as a matter of life, not because of this game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 65] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 24th, 2020 08:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Sure- Marino is currently null for me. I think the over the top start was and flim flam was a bit goofy but ultimately NAI to me at this time. I like that he wants to create discussion, but copious amount of random discussion doesn't help town IMO. Bakemire - Not much to go off here other than the pushing of Marino a bit. Null. Ash Loreal- snappy, seems towny, with the pointed questions and responses which are posed so far to extract information that would be useful for town. Leans town. Don't be shy Renegade. 4 sounds like he isn't from downtown but from uptown or beyond. It would be logical to get a wolf on trial and place the first piece of puzzle. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 66] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 09:01 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 As a side note, if you're left thinking that I implied that I was evil in response to Ash's question, then allow me to put it in another way: Uuuugh. I didn’t really like the answer - seemed too thought out or something? I dunno, was having a hard time putting it into words. Like not horrible but not really what I would have expected from town and I wasn’t sure whether I was overthinking it or there was actually something fishy there. But this unprompted “clarification”? I hate it. It reeks of wolfy self-consciousness. I came close to unvoting you a couple of times but right now I feel glad I didn’t. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 67] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 24th, 2020 10:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good morning everyone! I hope this will be a great game, since it is first one for majority of people here. Also I vote Auwt, to put early pressure on him, before he can start putting pressure on new players. My prevention attack. Auwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 68] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 24th, 2020 10:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also: Lex retro non agit. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 69] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 24th, 2020 10:46 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 uwu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 70] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 24th, 2020 10:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Damn I almost forgot this exists. Its hard for me to keep track of things. Anyhow, I'm back and ready to do this. I guess I will do the same shit I do in the mod, random lynch to get info and shit Auwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 71] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 24th, 2020 11:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I forgot about two things: First, activity: Around half of players here are EU players, I understand that we have a lot of US/NA players and people from other time zones, so expect around 6-7 BEFORE start of game time, to be the most active period of the day (evening on EU, afternoon on NA i believe). And since day is long, we will still have enough time to discuss everything, I hope. Secondly: Hi all gl hf And may the Town win. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 72] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 24th, 2020 11:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Damn I almost forgot this exists. Its hard for me to keep track of things. Anyhow, I'm back and ready to do this. I guess I will do the same shit I do in the mod, random lynch to get info and shit Auwt Uh, I would like you to explain this strategy please. What info exactly do you expect to obtain from lynching Auwt? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 73] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 24th, 2020 11:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That's a huge red flag right there with voting up a random lynch on someone who isn't even here. I find it suspicious too. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 74] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 24th, 2020 11:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt Disregard that previous vote. Old habits from the mod where I rando for info. I shouldn't have been too hasty without reading the thread first considering I had to do stuff irl right as the game began. Whoops. So now the question is wtf is Dallarian doing trying to rando Auwt for being a FM veteran? Whats more concerning is this is Martin's first FM game and hes already doing AtE with le depression and being a whole ass mathematician. "My old habit from the mod is to big brain calculate the intricate math behind the save on day 1." Why? Most of us mod players don't do it til we die or its lategame. But its literally the earlygame. Why are you trying to bring up "muh depression?" Everyone heres kinda an introvert, or was just overwhelmed by how much FM takes, not gonna lie. But depression? Is he trying to gain our sympathy? Why would he need to do that if he was a power role and could just prove himself eventually? Its like hes drawing a road map for his potential scum. Sorry for being brash but I just needed to bring it up. MartinGG99 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 75] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 24th, 2020 11:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Not to mention Dallarian trying to rando someone (mr. Auwt) who "isn't here" at all. Haven't seen a post from him so I could kinda understand wanting to force him to talk... Maybe just wait a few more hours to see if he speaks up? He could just be busy like I was. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 76] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 24th, 2020 11:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Where you lose me is when you argue that the answers would provide no hints about roles if the responses came from town, but might if they came from scum. Like if it’s completely hypothetical and nothing anyone says could imply anything about what role they have... then how is it supposed to help you catch wolves? In here you use deduction skills and other stuff to catch wolves. 2 previous games (Nightless, and catching mafia d1) are good examples of it. Fortunately we don't have roles like electromaniac here, but you are probably aware what means power role revealing D1, specially if we are not sure, if we have protective role at all. I've mulled it over a bit. I had hoped more people would answer it. Basically, the point of the question was to figure out who would question me, and to what extent. I figure if people are town, they don't have an informed majority, and therefore are more skeptical of things. I wanted be proactive and get a good pool of reads to start from, and then other people might make their own informed analyses of it in the future. For example, if someone acted towny by questioning my motives and actions, but then refrained from attacking someone else in the future, that could be telling. If you review my past posts, you might see that I was hinting that I even counted your agression towards the question as an acceptable response, because thats the point. Scum might just answer it freely without care or question because they think there's nothing telling about it since it would be hypothetical. When I meant "hints", im referring to the act where a person who is a TPR says something in response, and because of who they are, their answers are altered in such a way that a normal citizen would not have worded it. Considering this was a question where we could all say what we wanted, I sincerely believed being a TPR had no influence on what people answered. In hindsight, I suppose not answering the question out of fear could be accidentally hinting though, not that I believe that has occurred. That's some clever experienced guy stuff, isn't it? Fear not, saying you need 4 votes to lynch someone is a lie, but just a small one. You are not in any danger yet. You need 5 votes to lynch, and your self vote doesn't count. Anyways, I'm just going to chill here for a bit unless you have further questions. I mean, I've posted half (or nearly half) the post count as of right now. I'll be more active again when more people start arriving. That's scary mate. Slow down a bit please. I need to think over yesterday's discussion, a lot of things happen with Martin. I would be likely to Town read him for taking a lot of attention, what mafia usually wouldn't like, but he just said he likes being social. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 77] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 24th, 2020 11:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I just have learnt how multiquote works like, can be useful in the future. Auwt Disregard that previous vote. Old habits from the mod where I rando for info. I shouldn't have been too hasty without reading the thread first considering I had to do stuff irl right as the game began. Whoops. So now the question is wtf is Dallarian doing trying to rando Auwt for being a FM veteran? Whats more concerning is this is Martin's first FM game and hes already doing AtE with le depression and being a whole ass mathematician. "My old habit from the mod is to big brain calculate the intricate math behind the save on day 1." Why? Most of us mod players don't do it til we die or its lategame. But its literally the earlygame. Why are you trying to bring up "muh depression?" Everyone heres kinda an introvert, or was just overwhelmed by how much FM takes, not gonna lie. But depression? Is he trying to gain our sympathy? Why would he need to do that if he was a power role and could just prove himself eventually? Its like hes drawing a road map for his potential scum. Sorry for being brash but I just needed to bring it up. MartinGG99 To start with, it's definitely too early to lynch, so I would be very happy if people from the future didn't vote Martin. I do not consider Auwt as veteran, he played literally 2 games this month. What I am try to do? Well, I can explain that later. But you say you are trying to get informaton by random voting, and then after literally 2 posts you are retreating to safety by unvoting. Mission failure, I guess. Also I believe I have learnt new phrase in English for that, "flip floping"? I am still unsure about it's meaning, would be happy if someone explained it to me. Martin turns out to be interesting character and I'd like to hear his future conclusions d1 or d2 before I will consider voting/lynching him. Also fun fact: Imagine 2 Mafias waking up and lynching instantly Martin right now for "reasonable" reasons, saying they read only part of thread and didn't see other votes. Because Martin is put on 3 votes right now, as far as I remember. If mafia haven't already voted him for his contribution into town play. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 78] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 24th, 2020 11:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also fun fact: Imagine 2 Mafias waking up and lynching instantly Martin right now for "reasonable" reasons, saying they read only part of thread and didn't see other votes. Because Martin is put on 3 votes right now, as far as I remember. If mafia haven't already voted him for his contribution into town play. Okay, fortunately, they can't do that. Grakylan 's vote doesn't count, since it is in same post with "unvote". I find it a positive thing. (usually you should just vote Martin, and it would take your vote from Auwt automaticly), unless it's some way to bait me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 79] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 12:03 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am trying to make some good work with colors , do you think it works fine right now? Also please add profile picture Grakylan , so that we can start recognising your posts with it. I believe it's easier to pay attention to symbol/colors (I really hope my Battleship is hiting your eyes! OwO), it can add a little clearance to the game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 80] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 12:23 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Same goes to Ash Lael -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 81] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 12:25 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am not trying to discredit Auwt, ofcourse he earned much from his games and is probably far above us in terms of game skill. That's just explanation for Grakylan. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 82] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 12:37 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also my answer for Martin: I would probably choose lookout. I find it a cool invest role. I'd rather go for Investigator, but that role is not available in the setup and I find Sheriff boring. Finding crimes, that's what I like doing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 83] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 02:43 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus is not here yet. Well, now I am here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 84] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 02:48 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 We can skip lynching people, but based on the information above, I suggest we don't. In which case, I hope we can come to a consensus by the end of this day phase on who to lynch. So you want just randomly lynch someone for no reason? Maybe we should lynch you then, how do you think? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 85] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:48 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I forgot about two things: First, activity: Around half of players here are EU players, I understand that we have a lot of US/NA players and people from other time zones, so expect around 6-7 BEFORE start of game time, to be the most active period of the day (evening on EU, afternoon on NA i believe). And since day is long, we will still have enough time to discuss everything, I hope. Secondly: Hi all gl hf And may the Town win. Yeah yeah as long as we are active that matters. Good morning everyone! I hope this will be a great game, since it is first one for majority of people here. Also I vote Auwt, to put early pressure on him, before he can start putting pressure on new players. My prevention attack. Auwt I've already seen this strat somewhere, do as you please, I will defend myself only near death sentence. Uh, I would like you to explain this strategy please. What info exactly do you expect to obtain from lynching Auwt? I'm obviously a threat for Dallarian : ) That's a huge red flag right there with voting up a random lynch on someone who isn't even here. I find it suspicious too. I appreciate your support but since its quite random no need to worry. Also you should watch out, this can be seen as 'Lets build a coalition against Dallarian the Rebel' Auwt Disregard that previous vote. Old habits from the mod where I rando for info. I shouldn't have been too hasty without reading the thread first considering I had to do stuff irl right as the game began. Whoops. So now the question is wtf is Dallarian doing trying to rando Auwt for being a FM veteran? Whats more concerning is this is Martin's first FM game and hes already doing AtE with le depression and being a whole ass mathematician. "My old habit from the mod is to big brain calculate the intricate math behind the save on day 1." Why? Most of us mod players don't do it til we die or its lategame. But its literally the earlygame. Why are you trying to bring up "muh depression?" Everyone heres kinda an introvert, or was just overwhelmed by how much FM takes, not gonna lie. But depression? Is he trying to gain our sympathy? Why would he need to do that if he was a power role and could just prove himself eventually? Its like hes drawing a road map for his potential scum. Sorry for being brash but I just needed to bring it up. MartinGG99 Firstly, I wouldnt consider myself as a game veteran, played 2 games, once as a suburdinate scum where I joined D3. The second game I didnt have much impact either sadly. I believe mathematic fact are useful to get understood early on the game, still. Could also be seen as a post trying to get our mind off something Do not forget that this save has a great amount of Citizens. So Martin could eventually not prove himself in any other way. Not to mention Dallarian trying to rando someone (mr. Auwt) who "isn't here" at all. Haven't seen a post from him so I could kinda understand wanting to force him to talk... Maybe just wait a few more hours to see if he speaks up? He could just be busy like I was. I'm trying to catch up several pages, and also had to take a break ^^ As I said Dallarian is trying to intimidate me, wont fall in this open trap still : ) Okay, fortunately, they can't do that. Grakylan 's vote doesn't count, since it is in same post with "unvote". I find it a positive thing. (usually you should just vote Martin, and it would take your vote from Auwt automaticly), unless it's some way to bait me. Anyway heavy hammering at L-2 instantly would make them susp as hell Btw Dallarian youre pretty agressive, what's happening ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 86] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:54 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I thought of a question for all to start things: If you were a TPR and could choose any role possible within the setup that is a TPR, what would it be? If i had to choose a role, I would lovely take Crier. It's so amazing to share your thought anonymously, and no one can spam anything else (unless Judge game lol, but those are the best : D ) You can share you thoughts, and you know everyone will be listening to it. And since Crier is town role, everyone will know that you aint a scum giving fake clue or whatsoever Still its really hard to master. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 87] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 03:00 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I will try to post my thought toward each of you later in the day. I've already got some ideas who could be what alignment/role. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 88] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 03:05 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 MartinGG99 said a lot of "stats" to make town lynch someone. But all his arguments make no sense, although they look impressive to someone. There is only one weighty argument - the result of a d1 random lynch with a 77% chance will be the death of one of the townies. So there is NO REASON for townies be lynch-happy d1. That's why MartinGG99 is most likely evil. And he just want to kill one townie before n1 to make mafia win easier. MartinGG99 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 89] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:10 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I've already seen this strat somewhere, do as you please, I will defend myself only near death sentence. I'm obviously a threat for Dallarian : ) I wonder where? :wondering: Lynch that guy, he is an obvious threat to me. I appreciate your support but since its quite random no need to worry. Also you should watch out, this can be seen as 'Lets build a coalition against Dallarian the Rebel' I am not modkilled yet, fortunately. Firstly, I wouldnt consider myself as a game veteran, played 2 games, once as a suburdinate scum where I joined D3. The second game I didnt have much impact either sadly. Yes. As I said Dallarian is trying to intimidate me, wont fall in this open trap still : ) I loved how someone was ready to follow my vote on you. Anyway heavy hammering at L-2 instantly would make them susp as hell We are in newbie game. I expect that weird things could happen, and that would be an interesting play. They would get targeted by us and everything would rely on their defence. Still could happen. I believe putting someone on L-2 or L-1 shouldn't be a thing until we talked with everyone here. Btw Dallarian youre pretty agressive, what's happening ? I can't rely on Power Roles to solve the game for me. I have read a few guides and there is some awesome higher entity guiding me toward ascension. I cannot call my play aggressive, since I am not attacking anyone (maybe except some person who joined me in my voting against you). I believe you perfectly know why I have voted you. And I got what I wanted. Now ofcourse I have no idea what to do with it, gonna wrap it in nice box and put on "information" shelf. I am not as evil as someone, to keep my vote on them for all the day. Auwt Also I wonder if I can use other HTML colors than ones given by forum. Apparently I can. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 90] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:13 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt I am aware what you are going to do soon, but give us some more time to observe first, it's an interesting situation. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 91] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 03:20 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hi all I'm kinda new to this, any advice or tips? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 92] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:26 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah yeah as long as we are active that matters. Btw Dallarian youre pretty agressive, what's happening ? The perfect answer would be to insert here a video (or link), but unfortunately it is against the rules, so I will just put it in a text form. Artanis: Do not presume to lecture me about my decisions, Tal'darim. Alarak: But. I so enjoy our exchanges. But idk who is who here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 93] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 03:30 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Do we all have 1 life from bad guys attck? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 94] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 03:32 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am Helltanis I ve been summoned here to bring the hell fleet to the heavens and execute all those who oppose me and my fellow citizens so that justice may be served -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 95] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:33 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hellstorm FM Important threads: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45519-FM-Important-Threads-amp-Guides?p=828747&viewfull=1#post828747 New player guide: (learn here how to vote Auwt!), a lot of information how to write your posts, including voting commends. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/16080-New-User-Guide SuperJack's really nice thread, tips from recent players, wrote specially for us! Very powerful, but timeconsuming tool to use: Helz guide to improving as a player. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35503-Helz-guide-to-improving-as-a-player-Part-1-Communication Also confirming someone as townie and building your play around that person probably may work. Just make sure to exclude Auwt, bakermir, Dallarian and Renegate from that list. Well, since we're in mid of game, basicly try to win as townie. As I mentioned to you earlier, there is big attention placed on Day time speaking, and only a few power roles are in the game (who knows, we maybe have no investigative roles!). You should be watching for behaviour patterns and who act suspiciously. I will write more on that later. Cannot spoil you everything at once. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 96] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 03:34 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hi all I'm kinda new to this, any advice or tips? Do not forget there are some mentors available if you need, just ask on discord, SuperJack can give you someone to help you a bit in depth General tips would be to play your team condition, if you townie act like a townie, if you scum... act like a townie? Basicaly it's very similiar to -Mafia- in sc2, except day lasts 24h in real life and night also does. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 97] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 03:36 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Dallarian so we are already in the middle of the game? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 98] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:36 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack's really nice thread, tips from recent players, wrote specially for us! https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46854-Scumreading-and-Townreading-Your-thoughts-tips-and-guidance I forgot to link this one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 99] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:37 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Dallarian so we are already in the middle of the game? If you go to page 1, you will see timer for end of Day 1. We're in early D1 right now. Also Martin is getting lynched, and most of people haven't spoke yet. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 100] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 03:38 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 :facepalm: Guys, can we please stop answering Martin’s dumb question? Okay, updated reads list: Auwt - I’m not really sure what to make of him yet. Still want to see some more from him before I put him in a basket. Null. Renegade - Still null, still tweaking me minorly. Definitely want to see more from this slot. Dallarian - Town lean. Kind of an effusive, carefree style, along with some solid pro-town advice and a solvy attitude. Speaking of which, MartinGG99 for now to make sure we don’t hammer early. And yes, I will get myself an avatar. Nothing solid yet but I get good feels from this slot. MartinGG99 - Still my strongest scum read. Helltanis - Null Zedus - Weak town lean. Vibing with his query to Grak about if he’d volunteer to be the random lynch, it’s exactly what I said in a similar situation in game 8 (to a player who ended up mislynched town, whoops). Grakylan - I don’t feel good about this guy. The initial ‘random’ vote (on someone who already had a vote) felt poor. The sudden about face to a much better style of play is welcome but the excuse that he, uh, forgot he was playing on forum is... weak. And he immediately jumped on a wagon that was building in a way that could be construed as opportunistic. Really, the best thing in his favour is that he’s highly unlikely to be in a team with Martin. I don’t think scum can really afford to bus D1 with three town power roles out there, and Martin is a precarious position where he could get lynched but it’s not guaranteed. So I think it’s fairly likely that there is exactly one wolf between Grak and Martin, and if we are able to correctly identify which it is we will be able to clear the other as a bonus. bakermir - Still my strongest town read. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 101] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:39 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Basicaly it's very similiar to -Mafia- in sc2, except day lasts 24h in real life and night also does. Day lasts 48 hours. Another small lie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 102] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 03:39 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt I am aware what you are going to do soon, but give us some more time to observe first, it's an interesting situation. Thats why I said i will wait a bit, so you guys can make your own opinion (and i will pick from them lol...uh jking). I'm willing to wait for every player to post (unless they wont ever), therefore i do not have to make dozens of posts talking about each of us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 103] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 03:40 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway if there are investigators let investigators invest and I pay attention to suspicious behaviour. There shall be justice -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 104] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 03:42 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Day lasts 48 hours. Another small lie. Okay my bad on this, didnt see the "1" in day column Btw what are you refering to by saying this ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 105] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:42 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 :facepalm: Guys, can we please stop answering Martin’s dumb question? He have set up conversation and let us to the point where you can put some conclusions. I appreciate that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 106] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 03:45 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yo Dallarian you feeling suspicious now? Hehe -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 107] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:47 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay my bad on this, didnt see the "1" in day column Btw what are you refering to by saying this ? I am refering to my post #76 where I quoted, that Martin lied about amount of people needed to lynch someone. Martin's post is somewhere between page 2 and 3. Such small things can confuse our new players, everyone please avoid that. However, calling everyone a lier isn't probably the best thing for me. I am sorry. Auwt MartinGG99 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 108] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 03:48 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ah I just wait for a mentor... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 109] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 03:51 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Such small things can confuse our new players, everyone please avoid that. However, calling everyone a lier isn't probably the best thing for me. Those "small things" could and will probably make a difference between a true townie and a true scum. Be sure that I will look on "small things" as much as I can, even if I'm confusing new players. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 110] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:54 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Those "small things" could and will probably make a difference between a true townie and a true scum. Be sure that I will look on "small things" as much as I can, even if I'm confusing new players. I wish we were masons together. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 111] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 03:58 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I d be survivor that way I can get clues if evildoers and possible townies were I could possibly side with -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 112] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:58 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ah I just wait for a mentor... Don't wait, play with us, interact, write your thoughts. You can start by answering Martin's question from page 1, or saying your thoughts about what happened on pages 1-4. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 113] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 25th, 2020 04:14 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am Helltanis I ve been summoned here to bring the hell fleet to the heavens and execute all those who oppose me and my fellow citizens so that justice may be served Helltanis Editing a post is not allowed in the game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 114] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 04:18 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hey, dumb question. How do I give myself an avatar? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 115] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 04:19 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Helltanis Editing a post is not allowed in the game. Is it possible to return the post to it's primar state by Moderator or Administrator? @SuperJack -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 116] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 04:27 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hey, dumb question. How do I give myself an avatar? Ok, got it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 117] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 25th, 2020 04:33 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Is it possible to return the post to it's primar state by Moderator or Administrator? @SuperJack Will have to work with an Admin to check ^^ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 118] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:40 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hey, dumb question. How do I give myself an avatar? Btw, noone else using his real photo as avatar, only me. Looks like each of you has something to hide, except me. That's highly confirms me as town :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 119] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 04:41 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Btw, noone else using his real photo as avatar, only me. Looks like each of you has something to hide, except me. That's highly confirms me as town :) Fair enough. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 120] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 04:49 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay I will be away for a while so this is my reads so far; 1. Auwt Having a reserved approach but also given a hint of town. Need to see contribution to town play. Could be any role. null for now 2. Renegade Seems to be okay so far. Noticed the oddity with Martin but didn't vote him up. Need more from him. null 3. Dallarian It appears to me that he successfully changed topic and distracted everyone off Martin's very sketchy messages and focused on his "little game" instead. Also, most of his messages give a hint of town power and town way of thinking, but this doesn't change the fact that he is protective of Martin. Just looks like Dallarian is ready to vote anyone up here except Martin. There is something wrong here. He is in between null and scum. 4. MartinGG99 Some things were said about him. But we can't deny the fact that he started the role discussion, tried to lead town from start, conflicting messages, wants to random lynch by the end of day and shown scum reflex. I am also heavily disturbed by the fact that we have 2 mafias alive and Martin is being slow voted. Hiding information doesn't help town. We need information on wolves. It will give us a lot of leads for the future. biggest scum read here. i believe he needs to be trialed today as soon as possible. 5. Helltanis I truly believe he is new. Still need more town input from him. null. 6. Zedus Pointed out another sketchy detail about Martin. He is good in my eyes for now. town read. 7. Grakylan His entrance was a mess. Changed his play entirely as soon as he got attention. That is quite scary. Not to sure what to make of but null for now. 8. Ash Lael Understands sheep and wolf mentality. Every time I read their observations, I can't find anything wrong. Legit townie so far. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 121] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 04:55 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Btw, noone else using his real photo as avatar, only me. Looks like each of you has something to hide, except me. That's highly confirms me as town :) I am using a real photo too ^^ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 122] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 05:06 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am also heavily disturbed by the fact that we have 2 mafias alive and Martin is being slow voted. Hiding information doesn't help town. We need information on wolves. It will give us a lot of leads for the future. Can you explain a bit what you mean by this? Are you saying that we should speed-lynch him rather than taking time to discuss? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 123] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 05:08 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Can you explain a bit what you mean by this? Are you saying that we should speed-lynch him rather than taking time to discuss? More like speed-trial rather than "lynch". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 124] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 05:11 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am using a real photo too ^^ Lie! :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 125] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:13 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Uuuugh. I didn’t really like the answer - seemed too thought out or something? I dunno, was having a hard time putting it into words. Like not horrible but not really what I would have expected from town and I wasn’t sure whether I was overthinking it or there was actually something fishy there. But this unprompted “clarification”? I hate it. It reeks of wolfy self-consciousness. I came close to unvoting you a couple of times but right now I feel glad I didn’t. Personally, I was trying to see whether if people thought that was a bad thing or a good thing. I mean, earlier you pushed me because my question wasn't self-conscientious or self-aware. However, through all of this, I intend to be brutally honest about myself, both in-game aspects and out of game aspects. I think we should all consider that, once again, I was the only one to post a question for people to react to at the start. I'm a noob, and I was nervous that this game could go wrong, so I wanted to be proactive as possible and provoke debate within the town early on to ensure there's discussion. I'm quite glad Dallarian and Auwt answered the question, but I'm not sure if I can read them since I've explained the question now. And while I appreciate Dallarian's efforts in agreeing with me, I also intend to be aware of whoever tries to pocket me this game. That's some clever experienced guy stuff, isn't it? Fear not, saying you need 4 votes to lynch someone is a lie, but just a small one. You are not in any danger yet. You need 5 votes to lynch, and your self vote doesn't count. Also, what I meant is that we needed 4-votes before I'm vulnerable to a single scum hammer vote. It wasn't intended to be a lie (or perceived as such). I evaluated that for practical purposes that we shouldn't put me at 4 votes right now for the sake of prolonging the day before I get lynched. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 126] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:15 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, to reiterate to all whom it may concern, I felt lynching someone today (regardless if it be me) may be the town's best option since the TPR's probabilities of impacting the mafia or getting leads on night 1 is rather low, while the mafia nearly have a 50/50 chance of killing one of the TPR's tonight. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 127] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:19 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Don't wait, play with us, interact, write your thoughts. You can start by answering Martin's question from page 1, or saying your thoughts about what happened on pages 1-4. Quick note to Everyone, you can change the # of posts you see per-page in your account settings, under general settings. For example, Dallarian is mentioning page 4, but for me right now that's page 3. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 128] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:22 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, to reiterate to all whom it may concern, I felt lynching someone today (regardless if it be me) may be the town's best option since the TPR's probabilities of impacting the mafia or getting leads on night 1 is rather low, while the mafia nearly have a 50/50 chance of killing one of the TPR's tonight. I meant "today" as in this day phase. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 129] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 05:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Personally, I was trying to see whether if people thought that was a bad thing or a good thing. I mean, earlier you pushed me because my question wasn't self-conscientious or self-aware. Uh, no, I did no such thing. I pushed you because your question was dangerous for town and I thought you were intelligent and thoughtful enough that you should have seen that. But that’s very different from being self-aware. Being self aware does not mean being thoughtful. It means being overly conscious and concerned about your own appearance - as you would be if you were a wolf trying to impersonate town. You’re smart enough that you shouldn’t need to have that distinction pointed out to you, frankly. It doesn’t inspire faith in your motives. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 130] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:39 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Uh, no, I did no such thing. I pushed you because your question was dangerous for town and I thought you were intelligent and thoughtful enough that you should have seen that. But that’s very different from being self-aware. Being self aware does not mean being thoughtful. It means being overly conscious and concerned about your own appearance - as you would be if you were a wolf trying to impersonate town. You’re smart enough that you shouldn’t need to have that distinction pointed out to you, frankly. It doesn’t inspire faith in your motives. Im not calling anyone stupid here when I say thins, but sometimes ingenuity is present in stupid decisions that are done in line. Sometimes you need to be smart enough, but not a bit more than smart enough, in order to unknowingly do dangerous things. Now, im not proclaiming myself to be stupid, but I would like to argue that that my inexperience can or is impairing me. To study something is one thing, applying it can be another. However in spite of that, I continue to try my best at discussion because it is the best tool the town has, and also because, as I mentioned earlier, I do like being social in a game of debates. Honestly, every post is something I get conflicted about and have to decide to listen to my anxieties or nervousness or not because it is my first game. They tell me to be quiet and to accuse others when they show flaws, in order to find the scum, but i don't want to listen to that. I want to be proactive, and to overcome the emotional challenges it takes in order to get more experience. Unfortunately, that means i'll be making some bad decisions or bad questions. But at least I can try to learn from them. I've made myself vulnerable in order to become better at this, hopefully so to prevent any pointless attention (that was caused by me) against me, a townie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 131] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:42 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Corrections to previous post: "..when i say this" "...Done in Life" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 132] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 05:45 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 MartinGG99 you literaly offer lynch someone, who will be 77% town, because "mafia have 50% chance to kill important town role", lol. You pretending to be "smart" with math, but offer stupid and dangerous action for town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 133] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:51 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I will try to post my thought toward each of you later in the day. I've already got some ideas who could be what alignment/role. Also confirming someone as townie and building your play around that person probably may work. Just make sure to exclude Auwt, bakermir, Dallarian and Renegate from that list. You should be watching for behaviour patterns and who act suspiciously. I will write more on that later. Cannot spoil you everything at once. I'm quite curious as to what Dallarian and Auwt have to say later today, and whether "when" depends on one of them speaking before the other on their reads. Interesting openings from both. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 134] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:59 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 MartinGG99 you literaly offer lynch someone, who will be 77% town, because "mafia have 50% chance to kill important town role", lol. You pretending to be "smart" with math, but offer stupid and dangerous action for town. You cant night kill a mafia unless you're vigilante or veteran. Or a smart jailor. Currently there's only about a 33% ( 1 - ( 14 / 16 ) ^ 3 ) chance just one of them exists. And they only got one activation. Also, this is directly taken from the new player guide at: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45499-New-FM-Player-s-Guide?p=828654#post828654 One of the main differences with the mod is the nearly constant presence of Citizens, and a lesser amount of power roles. However, it does not mean that the Town is less powerful than on the mod; the Town simply proceeds differently to win. On the mod, most of the informations gathered come from "leads" given by night actions. In FM, they almost always come from day chat. The reason is simple : having 48 hours per day phase to debate, asking for explainations and being able to efficiently pressure people for them, and looking at the thread (which is like looking at the chat log on the mod) are all efficient ways to scum hunt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 135] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:01 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If anything, suggesting a no-lynch is a poor play, in my opinion, unless the town is seriously conflicted over who the vote by the EoD. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 136] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:43 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Currently there's only about a 33% ( 1 - ( 14 / 16 ) ^ 3 ) chance just one of them exists. Apologies, I was double checking my math here and its incorrect. The chance of having *a* jailor, vigilante, or veteran is actually 46% ( 1 - ( 13 / 16 ) ^ 3). I accidentally calculated for cases where I wanted to know the chance of at least one of two roles will exist at least once from 3 Town Any's. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 137] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 07:12 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Apologies, I was double checking my math here and its incorrect. The chance of having *a* jailor, vigilante, or veteran is actually 46% ( 1 - ( 13 / 16 ) ^ 3). I accidentally calculated for cases where I wanted to know the chance of at least one of two roles will exist at least once from 3 Town Any's. Math is good at some point but it wont lead to anything in that case ^_^ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 138] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 07:20 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Let me explain why I have defended Martin. In the beginning of the game, Martin has began a question I find off-top and neutral to the game itself. The question have pushed us into content and conversation. Before start of the game I was afraid we would have difficulty in establishing conversation at all and we would end up having low activity and no information. After 7 hours of the game I believed Martin was put at L-2 (he was actually at L-3), with contribution to the game from 5 players total, and 2 players haven’t said a word yet. With Zedus contribution and if Grakylan’s vote was correct, Martin would be put at L-1 after 11 hours of game. Hammering him would be easy at that point. We gained and are still gaining information from this day and I believe it would be waste if we lost 75% of the day due to speed lynch. I am happy I convinced Ash Lael to temporary remove his vote on Martin in order not to finish day and I find it my personal first small victory in mafia. Some may not know yet, but if Martin is voted by total of 5 people the day ends automatically. There is no trial like in mod mafia. It doesn’t mean I trust Martin. In this situation uwu, I found defending Martin beneficial, regardless of his aligment. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 139] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:21 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Math is good at some point but it wont lead to anything in that case ^_^ True. But I thought it might help guide our feelings and thoughts as to what the town should do. Obviously, i'm on the boat that says to figure out who to lynch, and that it should be someone, today. Can't rely on TP's if its 50/50 that they'll just get killed tonight, or the low chances for each TPR to learn something or do something useful the next night phase. The only excuse really is jailor, who can only work without a lynch. But by the time we ascertain we have a jailor, its likely they've already revealed and that would be unfortunate as they would be night killed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 140] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:23 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 For all future references, whenever I say "day" here, I am generally referring to the day phase unless I specifically state something in regards to my availability. I keep forgetting to add that phase or IRL day specification to my posts >.< -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 141] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 08:11 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How does everyone feel about the game state right now? Given that I don't have much experience, I can't say much. I'm quite glad I generated a fair bit of discussion with the controversies I've created, though they originally weren't intended to be controversial. But discussion is discussion, and that's good. Personally I feel the reads we have are a bit lackluster, I mean in terms of how many of us have given reads so far. That would be me, Ash Lael (who has actually given two so far), bakermir, and Renegade. Although, i understand if some of us had to wake up only to go to work quickly and therefore didn't have much time to spend on this forum. As personal policy, I'm not going to hold it against anyone for posting or posting in low amounts except in very exceptional circumstances. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 142] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 08:12 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Correction: "Given twice so far/already" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 143] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:54 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Damn I almost forgot this exists. Its hard for me to keep track of things. Anyhow, I'm back and ready to do this. I guess I will do the same shit I do in the mod, random lynch to get info and shit Auwt Auwt Disregard that previous vote. Old habits from the mod where I rando for info. I shouldn't have been too hasty without reading the thread first considering I had to do stuff irl right as the game began. Whoops. So now the question is wtf is Dallarian doing trying to rando Auwt for being a FM veteran? Whats more concerning is this is Martin's first FM game and hes already doing AtE with le depression and being a whole ass mathematician. "My old habit from the mod is to big brain calculate the intricate math behind the save on day 1." Why? Most of us mod players don't do it til we die or its lategame. But its literally the earlygame. Why are you trying to bring up "muh depression?" Everyone heres kinda an introvert, or was just overwhelmed by how much FM takes, not gonna lie. But depression? Is he trying to gain our sympathy? Why would he need to do that if he was a power role and could just prove himself eventually? Its like hes drawing a road map for his potential scum. Sorry for being brash but I just needed to bring it up. MartinGG99 Not to mention Dallarian trying to rando someone (mr. Auwt) who "isn't here" at all. Haven't seen a post from him so I could kinda understand wanting to force him to talk... Maybe just wait a few more hours to see if he speaks up? He could just be busy like I was. In virtually the same breath, Gray votes Auwt, unvotes, votes Martin, and then chastises Dollorian for voting Auwt. To sum up my read of the Marino situation, I ultimately do not think an inexperienced scum would be so over the top and out there. Rather, I think those pushing for his lynch currently are strawmanning some early game goofiness from Marino. His discussion about his own qualms for playing FM seem sincere, but yes I agree the contribution does not help. Also fun fact: Imagine 2 Mafias waking up and lynching instantly Martin right now for "reasonable" reasons, saying they read only part of thread and didn't see other votes. Because Martin is put on 3 votes right now, as far as I remember. If mafia haven't already voted him for his contribution into town play. I also share this concern from Dollorian. Grakylan do you not realize the gravity of your vote when you cast it, since in your second post with the disregarding of your Auwt vote you say you are basically screwing around initially to get info. So is this vote on Marino screwing around or trying to get real info? On this point, I can't see Gray's vote in the vote list, and I can't see a post where he unvoted, except the post where he unvoted then voted Marino. Am I missing something? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 144] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:56 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay, fortunately, they can't do that. Grakylan 's vote doesn't count, since it is in same post with "unvote". I find it a positive thing. (usually you should just vote Martin, and it would take your vote from Auwt automaticly), unless it's some way to bait me. Oh I missed that my question was answered. So it seems Gray intended the vote and left but it wasn't applied. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 145] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 09:05 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hi hi how you guys doing -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 146] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 09:07 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you could do anything what would you do? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 147] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 09:07 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hi hi how you guys doing What do you think of the Martino situation? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 148] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 09:08 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I wanted to post some more content in a few minutes, but Some Game Studio stream has just began, so please excuse me for few hours. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 149] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 09:09 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 For the record, since we are discussing our origin stories (Hyperion Cantos anyone?), I am from the Sc2 mafia mod as well. This is my fourth game playing, the other three were Third Line Butterfree, Insanity, and Nightless, if interested. I regularly stir up trouble in the sc2mafia discord server (and in the mod), but do not intend to do that here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 150] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 09:13 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Considering everyone has been here since Zedus has arrived and posted, I thought about my reads a fair bit for everyone. Town Ash Lael: I think he's definitely town since he went (comparatively) tooth and nail to question me. Also given reads twice. Town Lean Dallarian + Awut: Both of these could have siezed the opportunity to vote me, (or even just pressure me for that matter), but didn't. Also explained the concept of avoiding hammer risks and that lynching ends day. Null Bakemir: I might put him on town lean. Primarily because he gave a read. Helltanis: Most posts are related to the fact that he's new the FM. Renegade: Im unsure about him. He has given some reads. He hasn't voted me, but in retrospect given the circumstance when he was active I'd say voting me tempoairly might've been more towny, given that only 4 people were there at the time. But who am I to say? It just might be a place/topic to enter endless WIFOM. Scum Lean Zedus: Provided, he hasn't posted much. But with his posts all he has done is socialize a tiny bit with no content, and just vote me with only 2 posts explaining why. Also, as I see it, he was implying that a no-lynch was better than any lynch at all. But I could be wrong given that he voted me. Grakylan: Worse than Zedus in my opinion, only three posts. Also presumably tried to vote me. I don't like how he picks on my reference to depression & me in regards to my response to Ash's question as to what brings me to FM. I think this is completely unrelated to the game at hand. He also self admits being hasty in reading the thread...Is he not seriously considering or analyzing the discussions? Scum -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 151] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 09:15 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you could do anything what would you do? Considering that "anything" can include an incalculable amount of actions, I'm not sure what I'd do. I would need context or a general reference to something. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 152] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 09:17 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I wanted to post some more content in a few minutes, but Some Game Studio stream has just began, so please excuse me for few hours. I get that, I've been watching the SC2 Dreamhack Summer Masters online tournament that started this week and will go on for a few weeks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 153] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 09:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Based on the performance so far, this seems like the natural lynch to me. Grakylan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 154] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 09:32 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 So here is my thought on everyone way of talking / votes / alignment / role / cooperation Keep in mind, those are only mine, and might not be the absolute truth. Martin : A LOT OF POST, some of them interesting, and some are just math stats. Being bussed, lead early discussion, I feel a bit of panic tho, but not a scum one, I feel he is a Citizen (medium town read) Is he trying to gain our sympathy? Why would he need to do that if he was a power role and could just prove himself eventually? Maybe because Martin just cant. Ash Lael : Good amount of post, very complete from what I've seen. Ash was part of the vote train on Martin, the reason was kinda strange for me tho,even if I understand Ash pushed Martin cause of Martin's post asking for prefer role. Then unvoted on Dallarian's demand. Slight town read, I have no idea of your role. Grakylan : Not many post, a messy entry, into randomly voting me then unvote. I feel like Grakylan is just powerless right now. Slight Citizen read for me. Helltanis : Currently Unreadable for some reason. Dallarian : Obviously a rebel, and a scum wtf. Jokes apart, Dallarian is softly defending Martin, but there hasnt been much interactions between them, his posts were decent, but I find some of Dallarian speech a bit weird, here are my worries I am not as evil as someone, to keep my vote on them for all the day. Auwt Trying to look less evil with this post? I find that strange. And also apparently doesnt want to be stuck into "small things" Such small things can confuse our new players, everyone please avoid that. But overall Dallarian has also been leading the discussion quite well. Null read. I do not know the role tho but I dont think he is Citizen at all, he knows he can bring something. Renegade : Not much post to work with, only reacted to others earlier. Very slight scum read. Expected a bit more post still. bakermir : I didnt like much the way he attacked Martin. Bakermir followed Ash blindly and early on the Martin's vote without saying anything just after Ash brought his thought. Medium/Heavy scumread. MartinGG99 Zedus : Second post directly attacking Martin (first post was : "Well I'm here"). And I dont believe math/stats are really favoring Martin as a scum more than a desesperate townie with the most vote on him. Medium/Heavy scumread as well. MartinGG99 said a lot of "stats" to make town lynch someone. But all his arguments make no sense, although they look impressive to someone. There is only one weighty argument - the result of a d1 random lynch with a 77% chance will be the death of one of the townies. So there is NO REASON for townies be lynch-happy d1. That's why MartinGG99 is most likely evil. And he just want to kill one townie before n1 to make mafia win easier. MartinGG99 To conclude : Just wanted to point out some facts that are aimed for EVERYONE : Okay I will be away for a while so this is my reads so far; 2. Renegade Seems to be okay so far. Noticed the oddity with Martin but didn't vote him up. Need more from him. null 6. Zedus Pointed out another sketchy detail about Martin. He is good in my eyes for now. town read. Fact 1 ) Renegade and Zedus are both in my scumlist as well as bakermir atm. We should really watch for them. Fact 2 ) Please if you leave someone as "null", explain a bit more because this could be likely seen as a scum friend hiding. Fact 3 ) I saw some of you are scared of someone hammering. Be sure that if someone do so, this person will have to explain and have A/SEVERAL GOOD REASON(S) Fact 4 ) Lets talk about those math/stat thingies : I heard some of you say "Yeah, there are 77% that a town get lynched..." and so on... Thats why we are here, to decrease this 77%. By looking for clue in everyones speeches. So please remember that its good for everyone to know this but focus more on the game than those math thing. And considering the early Martin's question toward each of us (asking for our best role), this doesnt mean anything from me except starting the discussion. In the past newbie game held on this forum,and generally, people asking early questions tends to end up being townie at the end. I can link you if needed, just ask me. Fact 5 ) I didnt believe we would be close to page 10 before mid-day 1 (ingame) wow. Congrats. Anyway I'm done for the moment. Here were my thoughts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 155] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 09:35 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt, you are hard defending Marino, but say Grak leans citizen to you yet Grak jumped in voted marino and jumped out. Something doesn't add up to me here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 156] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 09:46 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt, you are hard defending Marino, but say Grak leans citizen to you yet Grak jumped in voted marino and jumped out. Something doesn't add up to me here. I am hard defending Martin because he doesnt look scum to me at all, the scum attack on him wasnt properly organised, some vote were thrown like : why not lol? I know that the early Grakylan's posts werent that convincing, but please try to be at Grakylan's place. What would a Citizen that is not used to play Citzen do in -Mafia- ? This Citizen would just random and pray, since they feeling they cant do anything at night. Thats why I do not seriously take Grakylan's vote on me and Martin. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 157] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 09:49 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am careful with naming people I can trust and I have habit from modded mafia of trusting only people who are supported by lws, so I find it difficult to townread anyone. I am not even sure if I get the idea correctly. Most of below are more opinion than actual read. 1. Auwut is a strong player I need more information him. If he is tOwOn he will try to lead a bit more in the future, unless he protects himself. I need to see where it goes first. 2. Renegate sees and observes and asks right questions. Is likely to be Townie. 3. bakermir doesn’t have my trust. He’s clever and he want to see Martin dead as soon as possible, what openly opposes my opinion and is suspicious for me. He can quickly become town leader and lead us to victory after Martins turns out to be scum, but can be also clever scum trying to focus attention far from mafia. Calls lynch “trial”, to confuse modded players and let them think that their vote doesn’t kill? I have no opinion on his aligment yet, both his town and mafia players sometimes look scummy. 4. MartinGG99 I am also heavily disturbed by the fact that we have 2 mafias alive and Martin is being slow voted. biggest scum read here. i believe he needs to be trialed today as soon as possible. 4. It was hard for me to see what you all have against Martin, but then I found out that he asked his question very early, as If he was afraid we will begin some different topic. It wasn’t reaction to low activity or warmup for everyone. This convinced me his behaviour was suspicious. I wonder how much “being inexperienced” plays role here. Still need to read a bit more. 5. It’s too early for my opinion about Helltanis. It would be easier to make read about SJ... 6. Zedus easily follows train on Martin, manipulated Martin’s post to suggest that Martin want to random lynch and then tries to lynch Martin for that reason. Looks like he tried to look for any reason to lynch Martin. Looks like Mafia member. MartinGG99there is NO REASON for townies be lynch-happy d1. MartinGG99 7. I can judge Grakylan only for his 3 posts. Easily accusses a lot of people. His behaviour turns on alarms in my head. I wonder if he will do anything before lynch. I am unsure who looks more scummy, Zedus or Grakylan. 8. Ash Lael just like Renegate, a bit more active. Doesn’t rush and asks questions that should be asked. Seems to be Town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 158] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 09:59 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The more I read this, the more I understand how serious the logic problems are for half of the players ... In the case MartinGG99 will not be lynched (he still can be very dumb town, not evil, so lynching him is some risk), I ask investigating roles to keep eye on him and his defenders. His "math" is total anti-town bullshit. Maybe he just have some problems with counting, maybe. But I prefer to think that this is an attempt to confuse everyone. Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random. Btw, if one of mafs will be jailed/roleblocked, they cannot kill? How does it works here? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 159] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 10:02 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Scum Lean Zedus: Provided, he hasn't posted much. But with his posts all he has done is socialize a tiny bit with no content, and just vote me with only 2 posts explaining why. Also, as I see it, he was implying that a no-lynch was better than any lynch at all. But I could be wrong given that he voted me. Zedus : Second post directly attacking Martin (first post was : "Well I'm here"). And I dont believe math/stats are really favoring Martin as a scum more than a desesperate townie with the most vote on him. Medium/Heavy scumread as well. 6. Zedus easily follows train on Martin, manipulated Martin’s post to suggest that Martin want to random lynch and then tries to lynch Martin for that reason. Looks like he tried to look for any reason to lynch Martin. Looks like Mafia member Alright, so it isn't just me who suspects Zedus. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 160] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 10:08 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The more I read this, the more I understand how serious the logic problems are for half of the players ... In the case MartinGG99 will not be lynched (he still can be very dumb town, not evil, so lynching him is some risk), I ask investigating roles to keep eye on him and his defenders. His "math" is total anti-town bullshit. Maybe he just have some problems with counting, maybe. But I prefer to think that this is an attempt to confuse everyone. Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random. Btw, if one of mafs will be jailed/roleblocked, they cannot kill? How does it works here? You were and still are part of the train, just saying. I totally agree, but looks more like a lost Citizen than a scum trying to fool the game discussion I do not agree on this. We should lynch someone, at least one of them that look scummier to most of us. Its indeed impossible because in most mafia games, there are no citizen, and the day phase doesnt last 2 IRL day, I assume with 2 irl days, we are ready to make an opinion on each of us. That cannot be done in the usual 20 seconds D1 on the mod. Explain please. You seem to have pretty good reason(s). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 161] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 10:09 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random.[/I] As part of a habit due to a feature from Starcraft II's mod -Mafia-, I took note of certain role chances and etc. Here's some of them. KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST OF THESE ARE VERY IN-GENERAL AND NOT CASE SPECIFIC -------------- Mafia has a 42% (3/7) chance of killing a town power role this night, and another 42% (3/7) chance of having the non-killing role target a TPR (assuming all Town Any aren't Citizen). Town power roles with targetable abilities each only have a 25% (2/8) chance of targeting a mafia tonight. Collectively, that means a 57.8% (1-(6/8)^3) chance that at least one of the TPRs will target a mafia this night. Doctor/Bodyguard has 12.5% (1/8) chance of healing/guarding the mafia kill target, assuming the Doc/BG isn't the mafia kill target. Detective has a 12.5% (1/8) chance of tracking the mafia who goes to kill. Jailor has a 25% (2/8) chance of jailing a mafia, but keep in mind the other mafia can just kill for them. Mason/Crier can't target anything, and considering Mason cannot convert, Mason is worth less than crier unless double roll. Escort has a 25% (2/8) of hitting mafia, but also has 25% (2/8) to hit a TPR, and 12.5% (1/8) within the first 25% to hit the killer. Assuming Veteran is visited while on Alert, there is a 50% (2/4) chance that they are mafia. Lookouts aren't immune to veteran. Obviously, Cororner, Mayor, and Marshall can't target mafia but they have their obvious uses in their abilities. We can skip lynching people, but based on the information above, I suggest we don't. In which case, I hope we can come to a consensus by the end of this day phase on who to lynch. I never suggested that we random lynch. Only that we lynch. There's a very distinct difference in lynching and random lynching. The only thing making this a non-random lynch, as you've proposed it, is the fact that you disagreed with lynching because you felt it was more likely to get a town, and that you believe im scummy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 162] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 10:09 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus easily follows train on Martin, Train? You mad? manipulated Martin’s post to suggest that Martin want to random lynch Manipulated? He definitely said just that. He wants to d1 random lynch, and made fake (or just stupid) explanation why this will be good for town. But this will be good only for evils. Once more, maybe he is not evil, maybe he is just stupid a bit, and realy don't understand math. But the next reason why I am convinced that he is a villain is that when I broke all his “math” with an undeniable argument, he didn’t even answer anything to me. If he were just stupid, he would argue about that, and I could point out to his errors. But he just ignored that argument. that lynching d1 is 77% chance or -1 townie before mafia even starts to act. That's why he is most suspicious now, same as his defenders, who have no arguments to defend him at all. Like you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 163] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 10:11 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Btw, if one of mafs will be jailed/roleblocked, they cannot kill? How does it works here? If mafia is jailed, then I guess the second member will do night kill. If person who is trying to kill gets RBed, I guess no kill happens. In the case MartinGG99 will not be lynched (he still can be very dumb town, not evil, so lynching him is some risk), I ask investigating roles to keep eye on him and his defenders. His "math" is total anti-town bullshit. Maybe he just have some problems with counting, maybe. But I prefer to think that this is an attempt to confuse everyone. Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random. I believe it's possible to find mafia member d1 and lynch it. Well, that's exacly what happened the previous game (poor Ganelion). Also, in this setup we can afford mislynch. The most important thing is to gain information and learn from our mistakes. I wonder why you tried to manipulate Martin's post. Would you like to explain that to me? Zedus -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 164] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 10:11 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I never suggested that we random lynch. Only that we lynch. There's a very distinct difference in lynching and random lynching. The only thing making this a non-random lynch, as you've proposed it, is the fact that you disagreed with lynching because you felt it was more likely to get a town, and that you believe im scummy. Please don't use that dark purple. I almost can't read it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 165] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 10:12 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Btw, if one of mafs will be jailed/roleblocked, they cannot kill? How does it works here? The first post of this thread has a link to the setup. All mafia members can elect to not do their night ability (such as a consigliere checking someone) in order to carry out the kill. Considering there's a 24 hour night chat, the fact that one of them was jailed would quickly become obvious. The next action for the non-jailed mafia would be to kill, obviously. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 166] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 10:13 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Please don't use that dark purple. I almost can't read it. Sorry. I thought I could read it easily. Apologies about that. You should be able to highlight the text with your cursor though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 167] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 10:14 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I never suggested that we random lynch. Only that we lynch. Lynching d1 can be only random. Well, except lynching someone like you, who offering this terrible move. But it's ok for me not to lynch you, just check. And if you will appear as town, just ignore you for next days, as person with bad game undestanding, who can easy misslead people. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 168] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 10:19 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I wonder why you tried to manipulate Martin's post. Would you like to explain that to me? Sorry, do you can read? Try to read again then. What do you still need to be explained? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 169] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 10:19 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Dallarian : Obviously a rebel, and a scum wtf. That's a complement to read these words from your keyboard, my rival. Trying to look less evil with this post? I find that strange. And also apparently doesnt want to be stuck into "small things" Basicly I am trying not to get scumread for something like that. I was really surprised when it was used as a valid argument against you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 170] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 10:26 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 you disagreed with lynching because you felt it was more likely to get a town "Felt"? It's not about feeling. It's math. That REAL math, that lynched one will be most likely townie. 77% chance. Only evil or stupid can offer this shit move for town. Are you evil or stupid? If just stupid, then please, calm down and don't try to lead town to hell with your stupid arguments. But by default, I think that there are no stupids here. If you are not stupid and not evil, why are you so lynch-happy? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 171] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 10:27 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Lynching d1 can be only random. Well, except lynching someone like you, who offering this terrible move. But it's ok for me not to lynch you, just check. And if you will appear as town, just ignore you for next days, as person with bad game undestanding, who can easy misslead people. Suit yourself. But most leads that can lead to the basis for lynches are the day chats. It's stated in one of the new player's guide, and I cited then in post #134. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 172] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 10:29 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Suit yourself. But most leads that can lead to the basis for lynches are the day chats. It's stated in one of the new player's guide, and I cited then in post #134. And the only strong "chat lead" we have is pointing on you. You were only one who wants to lynch someone d1. According to this, lynching you will make you happy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 173] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 10:29 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 "Felt"? It's not about feeling. It's math. That REAL math, that lynched one will be most likely townie. 77% chance. Only evil or stupid can offer this shit move for town. Are you evil or stupid? If just stupid, then please, calm down and don't try to lead town to hell with your stupid arguments. But by default, I think that there are no stupids here. If you are not stupid and not evil, why are you so lynch-happy? So are you arguing for no lynch? What is with the angst here.? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 174] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 10:32 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Lynching d1 can be only random. Well, except lynching someone like you, who offering this terrible move. I am afraid majority may have different opinion about that. "Felt"? It's not about feeling. It's math. That REAL math, that lynched one will be most likely townie. 77% chance. Only evil or stupid can offer this shit move for town. Are you evil or stupid? If just stupid, then please, calm down and don't try to lead town to hell with your stupid arguments. But by default, I think that there are no stupids here. If you are not stupid and not evil, why are you so lynch-happy? Are we going to wait till chances of lynching Mafia are higher than 50%? Or do you want Marshall to win the game for you? We do not know if we even have Investigative/Goverment roles, that's important difference from -Mafia-. We don't need to lynch d1, but it's an opportunity we can use. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 175] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 10:32 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 "Felt"? It's not about feeling. It's math. That REAL math, that lynched one will be most likely townie. 77% chance. Only evil or stupid can offer this shit move for town. Are you evil or stupid? If just stupid, then please, calm down and don't try to lead town to hell with your stupid arguments. But by default, I think that there are no stupids here. If you are not stupid and not evil, why are you so lynch-happy? Let me answer this honestly: There is some basis for not going for a day 1 lynch. I've recently heard from a Podcast on the Mafia Universe Championships (specifically the one review game 6 I believe) where an experienced player stated about 40% of day 1 lynches were mafia. So even with the most experienced players in the world, its difficult to avoid a day 1 mislynch. But I believe and feel a day 1 lynch often yields information on who is likely scum and who is not, thus improving the accuracy of lynches on day 2 and day 3. Otherwise, we can all sit on our buts here and wait for our 3 TPRs to die each night while they have a lesser chance to hit mafia while mafia from night 1 (right off the bat) already have a 42% chance to kill one of our TPRs each night. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 176] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 10:34 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Keep in mind im not directly objecting to my lynching so long as we have a discussion about it. Which we are now. And that there is some consensus in lynching me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 177] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 10:50 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Keep in mind im not directly objecting to my lynching so long as we have a discussion about it. Which we are now. And that there is some consensus in lynching me. Odd thing to say IMO, self preservation isn't alignment indicative in my opinion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 178] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 10:51 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 For posterity, here are the current votes: MartinGG99 (2 [L-3]): bakermir, Zedus Zedus (1 [L-4]): Dallarian Grakylan (1 [L-4]): Renegade 1 additional vote from Grakylan on MartinGG99 is presumed as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 179] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 10:51 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So are you arguing for no lynch? What is with the angst here.? We had no reason to lynch someone, until Martin starts his trying to misslead town to hell with his Evil Intentions or Glorous Stupidity. It's ignore or lynch for me now for this player. There is a lot of text in forum mafia, better to filter out someone with bad ideas. If he will not be lynched, he is the primary target for invest roles to check. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 180] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 10:53 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Are we going to wait till chances of lynching Mafia are higher than 50%? So you are second one lynch-happy? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 181] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 10:56 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Helltanis Any thoughts or feelings on the game so far that you would be willing to share? Or do you have any questions you would like to ask any of us? I would appreciate if there was any, as only through discussion can the town hope to succeed in this game. We could try to rely on the Town Power Roles, but the chances of them targeting mafia are kinda low...Too low for me to be comfortable to be sitting around. Hence the need for discussion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 182] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 10:58 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Page 1-3 Not much has happened, Martin is asking question and showing people how to vote Ash Lael , questions Martin's methods. Clearly I think it good idea to ask question I have not been hear during page 1evaluation -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 183] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 10:59 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So far I'm just getting my thoughts together to help us as town or the bad guys might get the advantage -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 184] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 11:01 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So far I'm just getting my thoughts together to help us as town or the bad guys might get the advantage I see, well thank you very much for your quick response. Feel free to take your time. Just be aware of how much time we have left in the day phase. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 185] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 11:09 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Page 4-5 Found some stuff that triggered , Graklyn is on my scum alert because he dosent mind lynching, Dallarain said my the town win and dint include himself makes me think his sus, Martin, Ash l'eau , Zedus seem town so far , I ll make another evaluation soon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 186] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 11:13 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't know what to make of auwt,bakmir and renegade at the moment -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 187] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 11:18 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Page 4-5 Found some stuff that triggered , Graklyn is on my scum alert because he dosent mind lynching, Dallarain said my the town win and dint include himself makes me think his sus, Martin, Ash l'eau , Zedus seem town so far , I ll make another evaluation soon Yeah exactly I had the same thought, Dallarian's speech has a lot of non-town inclusive way of talking that's part of why I put him as null read even though Dallarian made some great posts. Anyway, my current obvious guess are still placed on bakermir/Zedus, I'm waiting to see how this will go, but my vote will probably go on either of them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 188] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 11:32 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah exactly I had the same thought, Dallarian's speech has a lot of non-town inclusive way of talking that's part of why I put him as null read even though Dallarian made some great posts. Anyway, my current obvious guess are still placed on bakermir/Zedus, I'm waiting to see how this will go, but my vote will probably go on either of them. To be honest, I'm waiting for Ash Lael or bakermir to return and share their thoughts, if any. Then I might pressure Zedus more for his thoughts on things other than my lynch suggestion. I would like to see their thoughts on the other players here, now that quite some discussion has occured over the past few hours or so. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 189] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 11:38 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't know what to make of auwt,bakmir and renegade at the moment GOOFY -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 190] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 11:47 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 [Vote]Graklyn -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 191] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 11:49 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Graklyn Its two boxes, the first one doesn't have the / and inbetween the boxes is the username. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 192] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 11:50 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 goshdarnit that always happens -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 193] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 11:59 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 -vote [Grakyln] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 194] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 12:01 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 -vote [Grakyln] Helltanis I found a page, here it is: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.php?do=bbcode#vote -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 195] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 12:07 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Then I might pressure Zedus more for his thoughts on things other than my lynch suggestion. I would like to see their thoughts on the other players here, now that quite some discussion has occured over the past few hours or so. You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 196] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 25th, 2020 12:14 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town. There will be no editing posts -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 197] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 12:20 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town. Then what is the point of these 48 hours days? I think by having discussion, as much as possible, is a good thing for town. If town isn't meant to talk much unless they have a TPR lead, then why is the first day designed to be as just as long as everything else? Its one of the reason why I post much, even if it leads me to doing dumb things. I also tried my best to think of things for the game before hand, such as those statistics I mentioned earlier. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 198] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 12:35 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There will be no editing posts For the reference of everyone else, I didn’t see what Zedus posted before he edited, but Helltanis’s edited post was originally a flubbed vote attempt on Martin. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 199] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 25th, 2020 12:44 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This is a list of the edit posts so far. Showing the original and then the new version. Remember peeps. Editing posts is against the rules. Old: I am Helltanis I ve been summoned here to bring the hell fleet to the heavens and execute all those who oppose me and my fellow citizens New: I am Helltanis I ve been summoned here to bring the hell fleet to the heavens and execute all those who oppose me and my fellow citizens so that justice may be served Old: [Vote martin] New: Ah I just wait for a mentor... Old: You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. New: You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 200] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 12:46 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 So here is my thought on everyone way of talking / votes / alignment / role / cooperation Keep in mind, those are only mine, and might not be the absolute truth. Martin : A LOT OF POST, some of them interesting, and some are just math stats. Being bussed, lead early discussion, I feel a bit of panic tho, but not a scum one, I feel he is a Citizen (medium town read) Maybe because Martin just cant. Ash Lael : Good amount of post, very complete from what I've seen. Ash was part of the vote train on Martin, the reason was kinda strange for me tho,even if I understand Ash pushed Martin cause of Martin's post asking for prefer role. Then unvoted on Dallarian's demand. Slight town read, I have no idea of your role. Grakylan : Not many post, a messy entry, into randomly voting me then unvote. I feel like Grakylan is just powerless right now. Slight Citizen read for me. Helltanis : Currently Unreadable for some reason. Dallarian : Obviously a rebel, and a scum wtf. Jokes apart, Dallarian is softly defending Martin, but there hasnt been much interactions between them, his posts were decent, but I find some of Dallarian speech a bit weird, here are my worries Trying to look less evil with this post? I find that strange. And also apparently doesnt want to be stuck into "small things" But overall Dallarian has also been leading the discussion quite well. Null read. I do not know the role tho but I dont think he is Citizen at all, he knows he can bring something. Renegade : Not much post to work with, only reacted to others earlier. Very slight scum read. Expected a bit more post still. bakermir : I didnt like much the way he attacked Martin. Bakermir followed Ash blindly and early on the Martin's vote without saying anything just after Ash brought his thought. Medium/Heavy scumread. Zedus : Second post directly attacking Martin (first post was : "Well I'm here"). And I dont believe math/stats are really favoring Martin as a scum more than a desesperate townie with the most vote on him. Medium/Heavy scumread as well. To conclude : Just wanted to point out some facts that are aimed for EVERYONE : Fact 1 ) Renegade and Zedus are both in my scumlist as well as bakermir atm. We should really watch for them. Fact 2 ) Please if you leave someone as "null", explain a bit more because this could be likely seen as a scum friend hiding. Fact 3 ) I saw some of you are scared of someone hammering. Be sure that if someone do so, this person will have to explain and have A/SEVERAL GOOD REASON(S) Fact 4 ) Lets talk about those math/stat thingies : I heard some of you say "Yeah, there are 77% that a town get lynched..." and so on... Thats why we are here, to decrease this 77%. By looking for clue in everyones speeches. So please remember that its good for everyone to know this but focus more on the game than those math thing. And considering the early Martin's question toward each of us (asking for our best role), this doesnt mean anything from me except starting the discussion. In the past newbie game held on this forum,and generally, people asking early questions tends to end up being townie at the end. I can link you if needed, just ask me. Fact 5 ) I didnt believe we would be close to page 10 before mid-day 1 (ingame) wow. Congrats. Anyway I'm done for the moment. Here were my thoughts. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: Wtf do you think you’re doing? You are painting targets on our power roles and telling the scum where to kill. I had a problem with Martin’s question but your behaviour here is so much worse. You are actively playing to the scum’s win condition. It is in town’s best interest for our power roles to stay hidden. Or, if we don’t want that for whatever reason (say we want to coordinate investigations or even just clear three players), they can just roleclaim. This kind of speculation is just doing the wolves’ work for them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 201] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 01:04 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I probably got misunderuwustood and at first I have ignored it, but it may be used against me later in the game. Page 4-5 Dallarain said my the town win and dint include himself makes me think his sus Yeah exactly I had the same thought, Dallarian's speech has a lot of non-town inclusive way of talking that's part of why I put him as null read even though Dallarian made some great posts. At first I had no idea what post are you relating to and I found it difficult to find it. I hope am quoting the correct one: Hi all gl hf And may the Town win. For me it looks and feel natural. I find it fine to say "Let Slavic Team win." in Football, "British shall rule the sky!" in aircraft battle or in 2vs2 unranked "Let the Protoss win!" when both me and my friend are playing Protoss vs some Terran and Zerg combination (or pretty often in mirrors!). I don't feel a need to include myself and clarify to reader that I belong to the group I am mentioning, when I find it obvious the reader will know. It is probably some English Grammar thing I haven't covered. I will research this further, I do not want to get lynched for such little things, after all. English is my secondary languange I have begun to learnt pretty late compared to my peers. In case you haven't realised I am not native English, I will treat that as personal complement. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 202] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 01:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 EU activity window is going to close within 1-4 hours, so if you want to engage in discussion in mid of D1, better hurry up. After that window we will have lose discussion as earlier today and decisions shall be made a few hours before end of D1. bakermir @Renegate Ash Lael Zedus (EU player?) Grakylan (EU player?) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 203] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 01:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Failed to annoy Renegade. Renegade -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 204] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 01:14 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. MartinGG99: I really don’t know what to make of this guy. I still don’t like the question and think it’s dangerous for town. I was trying to figure out if he was just a clueless townie earlier, but he’s shown now that he’s definitely not clueless. So he’s either smart town or a smart wolf. If he’s smart town, it’s all as he says. He disagrees with me that the question could help expose our power roles, and was looking for reactions (and got a few). Ok, fine, fair enough. If he’s smart wolf the plan was to potentially expose some power roles, while having an “escape hatch” in claiming what he has. Possibly also gain some town cred for later by saying “Hey look, why would I draw attention To myself like that if I was scum?” He’s definitely got the balls to stare down a couple of votes, and has made the judgement that this play will not get him lynched (correctly or otherwise). So either world is entirely possible. I guess the only alignment indicative part is the question of how likely it is that a smart, thoughtful player doesn’t see the risk to town? I think... possible but relatively unlikely? He himself even mentioned a possible risk (a power role might avoid answering out of fear), so he’s clearly capable of seeing the risks. Perhaps they didn’t occur to him at first, but he seems like he would have thought this through at least a bit. I do have something to say to all of this, and i hope it'll everyone have a clearer understanding of me. The truth is I just like appearing smart. It's difficult to admit but sometimes I have an ego problem it holds me back. For example, sometimes I'd rather be thought of smart and evil, than having made a mistake and Town. I'm working on that, but I hope you don't expect everyone to play perfectly all the time. That standard doesn't exist in the real world. People can be wrong and Town at the same time. Here's an example: As a side note, if you're left thinking that I implied that I was evil in response to Ash's question, then allow me to put it in another way: While I am currently posting a lot, that is because I like being social in this game, not because I am Town. Even if I were not Town, I would still like to post a lot because I like being social in this game. I honestly enjoy discussing arguments and the points for them as a matter of life, not because of this game. Uuuugh. I didn’t really like the answer - seemed too thought out or something? I dunno, was having a hard time putting it into words. Like not horrible but not really what I would have expected from town and I wasn’t sure whether I was overthinking it or there was actually something fishy there. But this unprompted “clarification”? I hate it. It reeks of wolfy self-consciousness. When Ash Lael said this, he was right. I was being self-conscious. But not because I was a wolf, but rather I didn't want to become a townie with another mistake made. So I much preferred to clarify it abruptly than to let people attack me for it, even if it made me suspicious. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 205] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 01:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack Someone suggested that previous game. How much roles are random? It is possible to have 7 citizens? Are roles balanced in any way? Can composition Framer+No Invest roles happen? Do you "reroll" stupid role combinations? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 206] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 01:15 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town. Quit bitching and make a case if you feel so strongly. He may be contributing more than half the players so far, but that generally is NAI. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 207] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 01:24 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I love the abundant use of color, but some of these post are looking like a pride parade which actually may be more confusing... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 208] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 25th, 2020 01:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack Someone suggested that previous game. How much roles are random? It is possible to have 7 citizens? Are roles balanced in any way? Can composition Framer+No Invest roles happen? Do you "reroll" stupid role combinations? The game will be balanced. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 209] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 01:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So why would Zedus have reaction just from Martin asking the question instead he could of politely decline -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 210] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 01:28 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 It seems like theres something hiding through just my theory -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 211] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 01:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I love the abundant use of color, but some of these post are looking like a pride parade which actually may be more confusing... Well if you're confused by anything I say in that post, please feel free to ask me. I want to be clear about this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 212] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 01:32 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So why would Zedus have reaction just from Martin asking the question instead he could of politely decline MartinGG99 said a lot of "stats" to make town lynch someone. But all his arguments make no sense, although they look impressive to someone. There is only one weighty argument - the result of a d1 random lynch with a 77% chance will be the death of one of the townies. So there is NO REASON for townies be lynch-happy d1. That's why MartinGG99 is most likely evil. And he just want to kill one townie before n1 to make mafia win easier. MartinGG99 Helltanis I think it was Bakermir who had that reaction. Zedus (as seen in-quote) was simply reacting to my suggestion that we lynch someone this day phase. He disagreed, believing we would gain nothing and only lynch a townie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 213] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 01:32 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So why would Zedus have reaction just from Martin asking the question instead he could of politely decline I agree. Zebus's reaction is totally out of proportion to what he is losing it over. How does this help town Zedus? Hint: It doesn't. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 214] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 25th, 2020 01:35 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Imma sleep good luck town by tomorrow hopefully we can make sense of things -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 215] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 25th, 2020 01:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 just so we're clear -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 216] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 25th, 2020 01:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grakylan (EU player?) how many times do I gotta bring up the fact I live in AZ? My sleep schedule is just fucked up due to quarantine. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 217] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 25th, 2020 01:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Not gonna pass my vote like its a sorority girl in a fraternity dorm anymore. But heres some observations I made. Graklyn is on my scum alert because he dosent mind lynching yea... an old habit from the mod. We're in a game designed to help mod players ease into the game. Old habits die hard. Explain please. You seem to have pretty good reason(s). Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random. seems like hes insinuating a promise.... a promise the town wouldn't like if realized. But the follow up explanation seems pretty trainy, even if I could kinda agree on it. He also said "Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town" here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=870084&viewfull=1#post870084 Why is that Zedus ? I am not as evil as someone, to keep my vote on them for all the day. Auwt That's a complement to read these words from your keyboard, my rival. dallarian is always holding a grudge. What for? Is it something us FM noobs won't be able to understand? What can this mean? and yes, I'm aware there's no trial. Thats why I constantly flip flop on votes I'm unsure of. I only vote to gauge response. That's why the response below seems problematic. 4. MartinGG99 biggest scum read here. i believe he needs to be trialed today as soon as possible. Grakylan : Not many post, a messy entry, into randomly voting me then unvote. I feel like Grakylan is just powerless right now. Slight Citizen read for me. . thanks for backing me up, considering I'm really lost and confused. I can understand why people will consider me scum considering I always seem to be asleep or busy when the game really gets going. I know its cliche to say "it just a coincidence" but.... I never suggested that we random lynch. Only that we lynch. There's a very distinct difference in lynching and random lynching. The only thing making this a non-random lynch, as you've proposed it, is the fact that you disagreed with lynching because you felt it was more likely to get a town, and that you believe im scummy. to be honest tho, any lynch that early in the day gotta be random. But now that the day has progressed a bit, any lynch will be less so. anyhow that fucked up entrance of mine should signify that I really am a noob. And when I'm accusing Martin, I get that it looks really scummy, but really I'm just throwing around keywords from some noobie guide like monkey see monkey do cuz thats what I see. sometimes I'd rather be thought of smart and evil, than having made a mistake and Town. you want to look that way even if you're TPR? Kinda concerning. Everyone makes mistakes, it's natural. And its kinda expected for a new player game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 218] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 01:58 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If he will not be lynched, he is the primary target for invest roles to check. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town. I dislike the OwO! fact, how as a highly suspicious person you are telling our Town Investigative roles what to do. As if you were trying to control few night actions we have. If you were Mafia who is aware of Martin's aligment, if Martin is checked tonight (specially after Auwt suggested Martin may be Citizen) you can be sure that Invest roles will waste their night action on him, weakening the town tommorow. What are your exact reasons to maintain your vote on Martin right now? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 219] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 25th, 2020 02:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So my reads so far: Auwt - i appreciate you backing me up, but you are being a bit contarian to what everyones saying in some regards, especially after me. So town lean. Dallarian - still holding on to a grudge and targeting a player even after he withdraw his vote on him. Slight scum lean? Martin - All his high quality posts, math, his self-described ego problem, and AtE suggest either a TPR or scum trying to make himself look all so important. bakermir - I'm starting to think hes definitely scum. Zedus - him too, hes scum. Also throwing in the math and dodging questions. Null on everyone else. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 220] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So my reads so far: Auwt - i appreciate you backing me up, but you are being a bit contarian to what everyones saying in some regards, especially after me. So town lean. Dallarian - still holding on to a grudge and targeting a player even after he withdraw his vote on him. Slight scum lean? Martin - All his high quality posts, math, his self-described ego problem, and AtE suggest either a TPR or scum trying to make himself look all so important. bakermir - I'm starting to think hes definitely scum. Zedus - him too, hes scum. Also throwing in the math and dodging questions. Null on everyone else. Graks reads: Auwt: pocketing me so must be town Dallarian: must be scum because reasons. Bakermire: scum Zebus: scum ----------------- So who do you think the scum team is? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 221] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:04 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And no read on me, despite my vote on you Grakylan? If you need to see votes, go to the top of the thread and click "vote count". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 222] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:05 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: Wtf do you think you’re doing? You are painting targets on our power roles and telling the scum where to kill. I had a problem with Martin’s question but your behaviour here is so much worse. You are actively playing to the scum’s win condition. It is in town’s best interest for our power roles to stay hidden. Or, if we don’t want that for whatever reason (say we want to coordinate investigations or even just clear three players), they can just roleclaim. This kind of speculation is just doing the wolves’ work for them. If you want, we can also be quiet and just randoming people because they ask "If you were a TPR and could choose any role possible within the setup that is a TPR, what would it be?". That would be a nice game, as you wish. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 223] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:09 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 If you want, we can also be quiet and just randoming people because they ask "If you were a TPR and could choose any role possible within the setup that is a TPR, what would it be?". That would be a nice game, as you wish. I understand your concerns Ash, but if no steps are being taken, we will be led to an obvious mislynch and misunderstandment. Sharing thought and explaining why 'insert a name' is playing like a 'insert a role' is a key so that everyone understand why 'insert a name' did play like this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 224] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 25th, 2020 02:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Graks reads: Auwt: pocketing me so must be town I did say only a lean since hes going against what everyone else is saying, even if hes only trying to empathize more than others are. Everyones is starting to agree on "fuck zebus all my homies hate zebus" tho -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 225] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:12 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alright, so it isn't just me who suspects Zedus. And it opens that kind of thing that would have never happened if we kept being quiet. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 226] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 02:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So my reads so far: Dallarian - still holding on to a grudge and targeting a player even after he withdraw his vote on him. Slight scum lean? Null on everyone else. I wasn't voted by anyone yet in this game. I am unsure what player you are talking about. Can you explain? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 227] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:18 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Graks reads: Auwt: pocketing me so must be town Dallarian: must be scum because reasons. Bakermire: scum Zebus: scum ----------------- So who do you think the scum team is? Tell me your thought Rene, i'm listening. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 228] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 02:23 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The truth is I just like appearing smart. It's difficult to admit but sometimes I have an ego problem it holds me back. For example, sometimes I'd rather be thought of smart and evil, than having made a mistake and Town. I'm working on that, but I hope you don't expect everyone to play perfectly all the time. That standard doesn't exist in the real world. People can be wrong and Town at the same time. There is no use of Town Martin if he's dead for being evil. It's your goal to help our faction and for that you should survive to contribute. Well, I made a mistake already as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 229] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:25 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Tell me your thought Rene, i'm listening. Hellantis gives off scum vibes in the lay low attempt he has been pursuing. That is what I would expect scum to do d1 in this game. I need to iso bakemire before drawing further conclusions. I hate Zebus's boisterous and angsty reaction to Marino. It just doesn't make sense to me. I am concerned that if he is town he is going to obsess over Marino the whole game at the town's expense. Auwt - I do sympathize with Ash in your pointing out of role guesses not being useful at this time. Grakylan - his re-emergence hasn't compensated for anything in my opinion. It is clear that he has not voted now, but I am still not sure if he intended the vote on Marino or not. Ash - probably doing the most work for town at this moment, alongside Dallarion. Marino - dear marino, such a focal point of day 1. I think his contributions are largely sincere, call me naive. Likely town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 230] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:29 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random. Also, if Zedus comes by, is possible to explain this Clue? Reason? Tell us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 231] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 unvoting -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 232] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 02:30 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 If you want, we can also be quiet and just randoming people because they ask "If you were a TPR and could choose any role possible within the setup that is a TPR, what would it be?". That would be a nice game, as you wish. You’re completely misrepresenting me and you know it. I am not saying keep quiet and lynch randomly. I’m saying speak up, scum hunt, but keep our power roles hidden. It’s not a hard distinction to understand. I understand your concerns Ash, but if no steps are being taken, we will be led to an obvious mislynch and misunderstandment. Sharing thought and explaining why 'insert a name' is playing like a 'insert a role' is a key so that everyone understand why 'insert a name' did play like this. If that’s really what you believed then you should tell us your own role so we can understand your play (note: for the love of God, please do not actually do this). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 233] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Imma sleep good luck town by tomorrow hopefully we can make sense of things I know you aren't here at the moment, but I'm placing a vote on you. By no means permanent, but I just think you are laying too low and trying to sneak through d1. Helltanis -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 234] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Current votes for future reference: MartinGG99 (2 [L-3]): bakermir, Zedus Zedus (1 [L-4]): Dallarian Helltanis (1 [L-4]): Renegade -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 235] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:32 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, if Zedus comes by, is possible to explain this Clue? Reason? Tell us. Zedus said themself that even mislynching Martin would help town. That bothers me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 236] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 02:34 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hellantis gives off scum vibes in the lay low attempt he has been pursuing. That is what I would expect scum to do d1 in this game. I need to iso bakemire before drawing further conclusions. I hate Zebus's boisterous and angsty reaction to Marino. It just doesn't make sense to me. I am concerned that if he is town he is going to obsess over Marino the whole game at the town's expense. Auwt - I do sympathize with Ash in your pointing out of role guesses not being useful at this time. Grakylan - his re-emergence hasn't compensated for anything in my opinion. It is clear that he has not voted now, but I am still not sure if he intended the vote on Marino or not. Ash - probably doing the most work for town at this moment, alongside Dallarion. Marino - dear marino, such a focal point of day 1. I think his contributions are largely sincere, call me naive. Likely town. You seem smart and incisive, so why are your posts always so hedge-y? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 237] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 02:39 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I agree. Zebus's reaction is totally out of proportion to what he is losing it over. How does this help town Zedus? Hint: It doesn't. Considering everyone has been here since Zedus has arrived and posted, I thought about my reads a fair bit for everyone. Scum Lean Zedus: Provided, he hasn't posted much. But with his posts all he has done is socialize a tiny bit with no content, and just vote me with only 2 posts explaining why. Also, as I see it, he was implying that a no-lynch was better than any lynch at all. But I could be wrong given that he voted me. Zedus : Second post directly attacking Martin (first post was : "Well I'm here"). And I dont believe math/stats are really favoring Martin as a scum more than a desesperate townie with the most vote on him. Medium/Heavy scumread as well. Is anyone going to join me on vote against Zedus? I find it weird that everyone got on Martin so quickly, and while Zedus is so suspicious and scumread by a lot of people I am the only person voting on him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 238] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:40 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town. This is the source, this is extremely hyperbolic. In no way is anything of what martino saying deserving of this. Lynching a town does NOT help town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 239] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:40 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 You’re completely misrepresenting me and you know it. I am not saying keep quiet and lynch randomly. I’m saying speak up, scum hunt, but keep our power roles hidden. It’s not a hard distinction to understand. If that’s really what you believed then you should tell us your own role so we can understand your play (note: for the love of God, please do not actually do this). We are not on the same wave length then. Scum wont fall on our hand by a finger snap. Push have to be made, role have to be decisive, thoughts have to be confront. For instance, I couldnt have said Grakylan is just looking weird with the early random vote messy entrance he did. That wouldnt have changed anything. So I would have legit put Grakylan in null read like you all doing with 50% of the people? I'm going further. We have to get to know WHY DID HE DO THIS, and so the role comes up in front of us, only explanation for now. Our goal is not to shout some random facts that happend during day and then cross our fingers and pray when we vote. We've got to analyze those facts and try to search for the main reason. The key word in this is WHY -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 240] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:41 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You seem smart and incisive, so why are your posts always so hedge-y? Fair criticism. I am just trying to consider everything (which everyone else is), I'll work on being more straightforward. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 241] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 02:42 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Is anyone going to join me on vote against Zedus? I find it weird that everyone got on Martin so quickly, and while Zedus is so suspicious and scumread by a lot of people I am the only person voting on him. Zedus is in contention for my vote, rest assured, but I am keeping in on Hellatlantis for now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 242] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:43 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Is anyone going to join me on vote against Zedus? I find it weird that everyone got on Martin so quickly, and while Zedus is so suspicious and scumread by a lot of people I am the only person voting on him. I will eventually be flip floping between Zedus and bakermir if I vote right now. I'm really willing to see more (and newer) post from them so I can make sure I get the scummier. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 243] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 02:44 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This is the source, this is extremely hyperbolic. In no way is anything of what martino saying deserving of this. Lynching a town does NOT help town. I totally agree with you on that point. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 244] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 03:14 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alright I think I got a first attempt at a solve, or a good enough one for now, with my reads. These people who I am certain 100% , for now, that are town: Grakylan: It may not look like it, but I think he's absolutely town based on his given read. Look at just how many people he suspects or just leans. It matches the paranoia that can come with being a townie. Or even being AFK for that long due to IRL stuff that he had to deal with. I highly doubt he's scum. Auwt: He has repeatedly stated many facts that are good to know, just ISO him and he often mentions facts that are relevant. Also he believes I'm town. Here are my town-lean reads: Ash Lael: I've said it before, but I think his persistent questioning of me was rather towny. He was pressuring to see how sure I was about my question, and much more. Although...his #100 post supports both Bakermir and Zedus. I might move him down on this list. Dallarian: He stated and supported the notion of keeping the votes low on me to avoid hammers. He also voted Auwt and got some information from the vote based on someone's reaction. I fully expect Dallarian to object to one of my reads here because of that or jokingly because of Auwt. Second highest poster. Renegade: He's been rather active, and is the third highest poster. Back when he was present at start, he questioned but did not vote me, and I believe this mimicks towny behavior as with his experience he probably was very aware of hammering. I also haven't found many problems with his posts, and he questioned my opening question/behaviors. Here who are my Null reads: Helltanis: He has popped in, and seems to make some effort in trying to participate, while also asking questions. He responded to my pings/mentions rather quickly when I did earlier. Here are my Scum-Lean Reads (they might as well be scum reads at this point, if all else is correct): Bakermir: Initially I felt he may have been town since he gave early reads, and questioned me too, but his questioning just felt very vague or open-ended. He hasn't really reacted to the others much. Also, half of his reads are nulls, and only 2 leans, while marking me as full-on scum. Zedus: This guy has been tunneled on me over some math, and that's preety much all he has ever done. He doesn't seemed concerned in the slightest by others. Also, he seems to believe most lynches on day 1 must be random lynches, and therefore that implies he wants no lynches at all on day 1. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 245] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 03:15 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Assuming my reads are 100% correct, then the scum team might be Zedus / Bakermir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 246] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 25th, 2020 03:24 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good night. I have no idea what I will be doing today (26 June) all the day. I may be active just as yesterday, or will be unable to contribute in significant way. I hope you will find something to agree on. I will leave you with one question. Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 247] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 03:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I just arrived. Reading on pages and will make a post soon. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 248] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 03:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I will leave you with one question. Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin? Well, assuming we have invest roles, it might. But honestly, I expect myself or Awut to be night killed and then press on one of our scum reads sometime on the next day phase. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 249] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 03:36 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Updated reads list. You know you’ve all been waiting for it. Auwt - I don’t like this guy and I don’t like his attitude, but I think he’s probably just town. He’s not afraid to go against the flow. Renegade - Seems perceptive and intelligent but has been avoiding taking firm clear stances. Could easily be scum trying to stay under the radar. Scum lean. Dallarian - Still feels towny to me. MartinGG99 - I’m reassessing a bit here. Still quite a bit that rubs me the wrong way about him, but there’s also some things that feel a lot more town-ish. Does a wolf really argue so energetically against a no-lynch d1 while he’s on the block? Plus there’s a lot of other suspicious players, some of which are clearly out to get him, and they can’t all be dirty. I update to maybe 50/50 here. Helltanis - The flying-under-the-radar thing I said about Renegade applies here too, but even more so. On the other hand I feel like Helltanis is less experienced and has just been less active in general so it might not be as likely to be deliberate. But still. Scum lean. Zedus - super aggressive push on Martin, which I don’t mind, but the reasoning was thin. As others have noted, simply advocating that town lynch (literally the only tool we have to actually win the game) should not inspire this degree of vitriol. Scum trying to ride the early momentum to take down a townie? Could be. 50/50 Grakylan - Still not happy with this slot. Erratic reasoning and behaviour, doesn’t feel like it’s coming from a consistent town mindset. Probably my strongest scum read at this point. bakermir - I’ve seen no reason to change my town read of this guy yet. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 250] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 03:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus (EU player?) Don't you see my profile? Or you don't know where is Moscow? :D Also you should know that Moscow never sleeps. I have no "activity window". Quit bitching and make a case if you feel so strongly. It's not "bitching". Ignore someone, who forced himself to lead the town, but not competent enough for that is basic game thing in IRL mafia. Just filter off players like this will save you time and effort. How does this help town Zedus? Hint: It doesn't. It does. Then some stupid person with a bloated ego (or just a player with evil role) trying to lead the town, it's better to stop that. If you give him such an opportunity, the consequences for the town will be disastrous. He also said "Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town" Why is that Zedus ? Already explained. This player trying to draw all attention to himself, trying to lead (more precisely - misslead) the town, made more posts then everyone. That will be bad for town if such person will lead it. I ignoring all his posts at the moment, because that posts do not contain anything useful and important for the victory of the town. If he will be lynched, town will lost main missleader. Well, bad if he is some important role, but at least noone will follow this missleads. Also it's still high chance that he is evil player, trying to misslead others intentionally. Like 50/50 for me. fact, how as a highly suspicious person It's not fact. It's your opinion. You protecting your ally Martin in almost every post, so it's YOU are highly suspicious person. Aren't you? ...are telling our Town Investigative roles what to do. Better me then someone like Martin. Also, what if I am town investigative? As if you were trying to control few night actions we have. As about night actions YOU have, I never called targets for mafia :) [Dallarian;870107]What are your exact reasons to maintain your vote on Martin right now?[/QUOTE] Are you trolling or what? I explained my reasons. Nothing changed after that. It's need 5 votes to lynch someone. My vote will be on this missleader until he will be confirmed some way. Zedus - him too, hes scum. Also throwing in the math and dodging questions. I told all about "math". 77% of lynching town is any math you should remember. His "math" gives nothing for town. Other means nothing. What "question" am I "dodging"? Ask again, maybe I missed something, but I see no some "dodged questions" from my side. Also, if Zedus comes by, is possible to explain this Clue? Reason? Tell us. I did. This player trying to lead the town. But he is very bad in it. So losing missleader town (or evil, most likely for me after one another player starts do defend him so hard, and also if i were evil, I'll try to lead the town with lots of huge posts too, like he doing) will protect town from higher damage from missleading. Better lose some bad town player (or just evil), then some good one. Also, imagine if he flips mafia, and you will instantly know who is another one, protecting him even from invest checking. Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin? Yes, it is. Use it. I will be happy to be confirmed d2. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 251] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 03:40 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 For town invests and protectives, I offer: Invest me and protect Martin. Or invest Martin and protect me. Up to you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 252] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 03:41 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I will not explain reasons why it will be a good choice. Only after you confirm me or him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 253] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 03:46 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Renegade - Seems perceptive and intelligent but has been avoiding taking firm clear stances. Could easily be scum trying to stay under the radar. Scum lean. I would like to point out that I have been voting those that seem scummy to me. I feel a vote is the most clear way of taking a stance. Any comparing me to Hellantis ... meh, but okay. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 254] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 03:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good night. I have no idea what I will be doing today (26 June) all the day. I may be active just as yesterday, or will be unable to contribute in significant way. I hope you will find something to agree on. I will leave you with one question. Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin? If we have investigative roles I trust them to investigate the most suspicious players. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 255] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 03:50 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 For town invests and protectives, I offer: Invest me and protect Martin. Or invest Martin and protect me. Up to you. Ok, this is just bullshit. First you’re hellbent on lynching the guy - even if he’s town - and now you want him protected? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 256] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 03:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I would like to point out that I have been voting those that seem scummy to me. I feel a vote is the most clear way of taking a stance. Any comparing me to Hellantis ... meh, but okay. Fair point. Zedus -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 257] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 25th, 2020 03:56 PM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 As to myself I see 2 scum team comp possible at the moment. First one is Zedus/bakermir, I'm pretty sure at least one of them is on the dark side. They both tunneled very hard on Martin, and as Zedus said, he is ready to see Martin be lynched even though he might be a townie. He has his own reason, we probably wont make him change his mind (although I dont like this mindset). Bakermir on the other hand blindly followed Ash's early vote on Martin without saying much reasons, could be seen as an attempt to get a train starting. The second one is Dallarian/Martin, as I said Dallarian like using non town inclusive pronouns and speech and tried his best to get Martin in a safer spot. Martin could be seen as a misleading townie as Zedus pointed out some post above in that case. I will try to look more into those possibilites. Making those kind of post could significantly help us in the next days, everyone should consider trying to make a bind between someone you voted and their possible ally. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 258] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 04:06 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 As to myself I see 2 scum team comp possible at the moment. First one is Zedus/bakermir, I'm pretty sure at least one of them is on the dark side. They both tunneled very hard on Martin, and as Zedus said, he is ready to see Martin be lynched even though he might be a townie. He has his own reason, we probably wont make him change his mind (although I dont like this mindset). Bakermir on the other hand blindly followed Ash's early vote on Martin without saying much reasons, could be seen as an attempt to get a train starting. The second one is Dallarian/Martin, as I said Dallarian like using non town inclusive pronouns and speech and tried his best to get Martin in a safer spot. Martin could be seen as a misleading townie as Zedus pointed out some post above in that case. I will try to look more into those possibilites. Making those kind of post could significantly help us in the next days, everyone should consider trying to make a bind between someone you voted and their possible ally. Tinfoil theory: Martin/Auwt powerwolf combo. They’re both pushing the Zedus/bakemir combo, could have coordinated that in scum chat. Yeah, probably not. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 259] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 04:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Gun to my head, I’d say it’s Zedus/Grakylan. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 260] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:10 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 As to myself I see 2 scum team comp possible at the moment. First one is Zedus/bakermir, Who is bakermir? :D I don't even remember someone with this nickname posted something here :D :D Easy evil strat: 1. Сonvince the town that they need to lynch someone d1 (like Martin did) 2. Join the vote against anyone who will be voted. That's why so obvious Martin's ally can be hidden, and just vote with him in some times and lynch some townie. Also, I pointing that Ash Lael voted me after I pretended to be probably town invest. Remember that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 261] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:11 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Tinfoil theory: Martin/Auwt powerwolf combo. They’re both pushing the Zedus/bakemir combo, could have coordinated that in scum chat. Scum chat working olny at night, isn't it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 262] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh, bakemir is guy with frog face. He is my ally because I called him liar? Great logic, be our mayor, please, lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 263] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 It's not "bitching". Ignore someone, who forced himself to lead the town, but not competent enough for that is basic game thing in IRL mafia. It does. Then some stupid person with a bloated ego (or just a player with evil role) trying to lead the town, it's better to stop that. If you give him such an opportunity, the consequences for the town will be disastrous. I did. This player trying to lead the town. But he is very bad in it. What is the basis for this? What makes you think such a statement is okay to say to anyone? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 264] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 his player trying to draw all attention to himself, trying to lead (more precisely - misslead) the town, made more posts then everyone Is this the only reason that you disapprove of me? Anyone would make more posts than anyone else if they were being attacked by people. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 265] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:16 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I ignoring all his posts at the moment, because that posts do not contain anything useful and important for the victory of the town. Since when are reads, discussion and communication not important? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 266] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 04:16 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Who is bakermir? :D I don't even remember someone with this nickname posted something here :D :D Easy evil strat: 1. Сonvince the town that they need to lynch someone d1 (like Martin did) 2. Join the vote against anyone who will be voted. That's why so obvious Martin's ally can be hidden, and just vote with him in some times and lynch some townie. Also, I pointing that Ash Lael voted me after I pretended to be probably town invest. Remember that. I voted you after you displayed absolutely no regard for consistency with your previous, allegedly fervent view that Martin should die. And no, I’m not going to be dissuaded from voting a scum by the world’s most obvious soft claim. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 267] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt explain why are we ally with that bakemir, it's realy very interesting to know :D :D :D :D :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 268] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Now, for reasons unrelated to the Zedus wall post, I think it is fair to do this, since way before that he was on my scum list. It'll move him to L-2. [vote]Zedus[/Zedus] Except, I want to make use of the time till EOD. Discussion is important to the town. So i wont vote. But when EOD comes, my vote is on him. [Unvote]Zedus[/Zedus] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 269] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh LOL @ my typing error with the votes. Rip. But you get the point. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 270] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:22 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I voted you after you displayed absolutely no regard for consistency with your previous, allegedly fervent view that Martin should die. He will die only with 5 votes. But if someone should die, better for town if this will be main missleader, who dropped bullshit "it will be good to lynch someone d1" and disappeared now, then someone else. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 271] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 04:23 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 He will die only with 5 votes. But if someone should die, better for town if this will be main missleader, who dropped bullshit "it will be good to lynch someone d1" and disappeared now, then someone else. He’s not disappeared, he’s posting right now. And if you’re so sure he should die, why are you telling our power roles to protect him? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 272] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:24 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt explain why are we ally with that bakemir, it's realy very interesting to know :D :D :D :D :D Well I'm glad to see you aren't focusing on me anymore for that post. But if it helps, in my case the only other person I have scumread is Bakermir. So if this game must have 2 mafias, then you're guilty by simply being suspected as scum together. The only connection is both of you vote me, and continue to do so. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 273] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So i wont vote. But when EOD comes, my vote is on him. [Unvote]Zedus[/Zedus] Ahahahahhaa, and that's DEFINITELY the mafia strat I described before (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=870150&viewfull=1#post870150) No more doubts that's you are just a dumb town. You are evil. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 274] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh wow, there is literally an ignore list. He probably used it. I did a test. https://imgur.com/a/cT3mmw0 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 275] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 04:30 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Scum chat working olny at night, isn't it? Is it? I went back and checked the set up post, can’t find anything about it. I assumed it would be always open like on other sites (well, MU, since that’s where I’ve played). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 276] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:32 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ahahahahhaa, and that's DEFINITELY the mafia strat I described before (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=870150&viewfull=1#post870150) No more doubts that's you are just a dumb town. You are evil. This proves you read my posts, man. Your continued use of certain words means that the in my previous posts, where i asked if it was okay to insult someone, you thought it was. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 277] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The only connection is both of you vote me, and continue to do so. Lie (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=869946&viewfull=1#post869946) again, scum. Grakylan did that too, but unvoted for some weak reasons. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 278] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 04:37 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 He’s not disappeared, he’s posting right now. And if you’re so sure he should die, why are you telling our power roles to protect him? Zedus has barely made sense since the start of the game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 279] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 04:38 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus has barely made sense since the start of the game. You’re not wrong, but I still want to hear whatever bullshit reason he comes up with. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 280] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh wow, there is literally an ignore list. You voted me, according to evil strat I explained before. Your REAL goal is randomly lynch some townie d1 (as I said before), and after you got some votes on other player (me), you joined it. This dumb and easy strat can realy work, because this is newbie game, and it's not so obvious for most of players what you want to do (even after I literally explained that a few posts before you did that, lol). There is no way for you to be townie. It's 100% evil strat. Well, maybe 99%, 1% is that's you are incredibly dumb. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 281] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Lie (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=869946&viewfull=1#post869946) again, scum. Grakylan did that too, but unvoted for some weak reasons. This at no point involved Grakylan. I was stating the connection between you and Bakermir, not Grakylan. Similarly Ash Lael did vote for me in the past too. But that statement didn't involve him because it was about Bakemir and you voting me. Also, Bakermir hasn't proven how he is not scum to me, and therefore him being the only other scum read other than you means he is likely to be your teammate if you are scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 282] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 1% is that's you are incredibly dumb. SuperJack I asked in a previous post if Zedus was okay with personal attacks towards anyone. He has been reading my posts quite clearly, and hasn't responded to it. In the above quote he tries to insult me again, after my question if it was okay. So, I ask you, Is this okay behavior? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 283] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:42 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 And if you’re so sure he should die, why are you telling our power roles to protect him? First, I said check him OR me, and protect him OR me. Second, I told I will explain this after I will be confirmed. Or he will be. Not now. This is kinda town strat you don't know. If you are prot/invest, you can try it or ignore, up to you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 284] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:45 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I was stating the connection between you and Bakermir, not Grakylan. But there is NO connection between us, except we both voting lynch-happy missleader. Real connection between you and your Lord Protector, who even trying to save you from invest check, not only from lynch, is strong as hell. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 285] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 04:51 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 First, I said check him OR me, and protect him OR me. Second, I told I will explain this after I will be confirmed. Or he will be. Not now. This is kinda town strat you don't know. If you are prot/invest, you can try it or ignore, up to you. I went back and looked through the role list again and I still see absolutely no way it is beneficial for town to protect a likely scum. So please, explain your brilliant strategy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 286] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 25th, 2020 04:53 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack I asked in a previous post if Zedus was okay with personal attacks towards anyone. He has been reading my posts quite clearly, and hasn't responded to it. In the above quote he tries to insult me again, after my question if it was okay. So, I ask you, Is this okay behavior? There is nothing forcing a player to interact you. Strong or repeated personal insults are not part of the game. If there is a post that you think is breaching that please use the report system or PM me with a link. 9. Do not personally insult players. Mafia is a game of debates; it is normal to criticize one's play or reads. However, attacking a member with personal insults that are strong or repeated is strictly forbidden. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 287] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 04:55 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I still see absolutely no way it is beneficial for town to protect a likely scum. Yes, you are. That's how this works. So please, explain your brilliant strategy. Strat will not work if I will explain it. Once more, you can try to do that or ignore that, up to you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 288] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 04:57 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I went back and looked through the role list again and I still see absolutely no way it is beneficial for town to protect a likely scum. So please, explain your brilliant strategy. He is claiming vigi and gonna shoot marino.... What an idiot. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 289] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There is nothing forcing a player to interact you. Strong or repeated personal insults are not part of the game. If there is a post that you think is breaching that please use the report system or PM me with a link. *shrug* okay then. I guess the bars are higher than Zedus. But at least the host pointed the rule out for me. I doubt Zedus would've believed me if i posted it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 290] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 04:58 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 He is claiming vigi and gonna shoot marino.... What an idiot. Is this supposed to be Renegade being G00FY? Please explain. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 291] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 05:01 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 He is claiming vigi and gonna shoot marino.... What an idiot. This still makes no sense. Why tell people to protect a scum you’re shooting? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 292] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 05:04 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Strat will not work if I will explain it. Once more, you can try to do that or ignore that, up to you. You might as well explain it now because the way things are going you’re probably not going to be alive tonight to carry out your secret plan. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 293] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'll be honest, around 1 hour or two before Auwt and Dallarian leave for the day (since they're EU), i suggest we lynch then. Otherwise we wont be able to lynch, since lynches require 51% vote, and don't lynch based on leftover votes at the very EOD. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 294] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 05:12 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 You might as well explain it now because the way things are going you’re probably not going to be alive tonight to carry out your secret plan. That's part of the plan too. I explained mafia strat they are using now to lynch a townie d1. I hope the town has enough brains to draw conclusions after they will do this. If noone will be lynched (realy best choice for non-evils), strat will probably work (high chance). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 295] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 05:14 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 That's part of the plan too. I explained mafia strat they are using now to lynch a townie d1. I hope the town has enough brains to draw conclusions after they will do this. If noone will be lynched (realy best choice for non-evils), strat will probably work (high chance). I mean you’re not going to be alive because you’re getting lynched. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 296] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 05:17 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 That's part of the plan too. I explained mafia strat they are using now to lynch a townie d1. I hope the town has enough brains to draw conclusions after they will do this. If noone will be lynched (realy best choice for non-evils), strat will probably work (high chance). Talk about distracting babble hurting the town, you screamed at marino for this kind of goofiness. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 297] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 05:17 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I mean you’re not going to be alive because you’re getting lynched. Read my answer to you AGAIN please. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 298] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 05:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I was away for a while and damn this is so hard to read every post and try to stay active in the game by giving input. Now I just wanted to go with the flow you know, check the latest posts and write something off but hey, here I am trying to leave a comment on every post been made past 12+ hours I have been missing. I still believe this period was quite productive. Especially some people showing their teeth already. I like that. I also don't want to make it sound like what I am saying is big deal and there is nothing that will make anyone go OOF like with my "trial" and push on Martin earlier. Obviously, I did not know about the trial mechanic. But now I do thanks to you guys. I believed it works just like in mod but I was wrong. I apologize to everyone here for that aggression. I admit it did look very scummy and Auwt was the first one to call it out and present it to everyone in his words. He knows this is my first FM game but in his opinion I am a big scum. Just because I appeared to be pushing for lynch and that makes him think I am some evil trying to trick other new players into believing there is "trial". It is Day One though. So I am still going to take Auwt's aggression with a pinch of salt. I suggest the same for everyone. Now some comments on what have been said: True. But I thought it might help guide our feelings and thoughts as to what the town should do. Obviously, i'm on the boat that says to figure out who to lynch, and that it should be someone, today. Can't rely on TP's if its 50/50 that they'll just get killed tonight, or the low chances for each TPR to learn something or do something useful the next night phase. The only excuse really is jailor, who can only work without a lynch. But by the time we ascertain we have a jailor, its likely they've already revealed and that would be unfortunate as they would be night killed. This is not the first time you talking about mafia's odds and their perspective. It is Day One. We gather reads and information based on what people say and do through social interactions. We profile each player. You keep talking about power roles and from what I see; you stress so much about mafia's odds and power roles. that's just yikes EU activity window is going to close within 1-4 hours, so if you want to engage in discussion in mid of D1, better hurry up. After that window we will have lose discussion as earlier today and decisions shall be made a few hours before end of D1. bakermir @Renegate Ash Lael Zedus (EU player?) Grakylan (EU player?) Consider me NA these days SmugPepe Is anyone going to join me on vote against Zedus? I find it weird that everyone got on Martin so quickly, and while Zedus is so suspicious and scumread by a lot of people I am the only person voting on him. Yeah, just as I start to think I misunderstood you, but then you going aggressive here makes me doubt it all. Still you are almost Town Investigative in many peoples eyes according to your posts and I will go with the flow here. Hey, I am not the lawyer of Zedus. Hell, I don't even trust the guy a single bit. But some of his posts pointed out some details to Martin's inconsistencies. Like, I believe his attention to detail and effort is good enough for me. If you think Zedus is scum because he joined the vote, then I don't know what to say about that. I will eventually be flip floping between Zedus and bakermir if I vote right now. I'm really willing to see more (and newer) post from them so I can make sure I get the scummier. What is stopping you from voting me? Your latest posts have been focused on paving a road to lynch against me. I think this is metagaming and thats evil in my eyes. Still, we have a much more pressing matter here and people seem to turn a blind eye to it; Considering everyone has been here since Zedus has arrived and posted, I thought about my reads a fair bit for everyone. Town Ash Lael: I think he's definitely town since he went (comparatively) tooth and nail to question me. Also given reads twice. Town Lean Dallarian + Awut: Both of these could have siezed the opportunity to vote me, (or even just pressure me for that matter), but didn't. Also explained the concept of avoiding hammer risks and that lynching ends day. Null Bakemir: I might put him on town lean. Primarily because he gave a read. Helltanis: Most posts are related to the fact that he's new the FM. Renegade: Im unsure about him. He has given some reads. He hasn't voted me, but in retrospect given the circumstance when he was active I'd say voting me tempoairly might've been more towny, given that only 4 people were there at the time. But who am I to say? It just might be a place/topic to enter endless WIFOM. Scum Lean Zedus: Provided, he hasn't posted much. But with his posts all he has done is socialize a tiny bit with no content, and just vote me with only 2 posts explaining why. Also, as I see it, he was implying that a no-lynch was better than any lynch at all. But I could be wrong given that he voted me. Grakylan: Worse than Zedus in my opinion, only three posts. Also presumably tried to vote me. I don't like how he picks on my reference to depression & me in regards to my response to Ash's question as to what brings me to FM. I think this is completely unrelated to the game at hand. He also self admits being hasty in reading the thread...Is he not seriously considering or analyzing the discussions? Scum This was posted at June 25th, 2020, 06:13 PM, slightly after I pushed for a "trial" on him in huge red letters. Then Auwt opened the can of worms at #154 After this point the attention turned to Zedus and me for reasons. But then Martin had a big change in mood and words. Joined the bandwagon eventually by mentioning the terrible duo "Zedus-Bakermir" in the following quotes from post #244 at June 26th, 2020, 12:14 AM Here are my Scum-Lean Reads (they might as well be scum reads at this point, if all else is correct): Bakermir: Initially I felt he may have been town since he gave early reads, and questioned me too, but his questioning just felt very vague or open-ended. He hasn't really reacted to the others much. Also, half of his reads are nulls, and only 2 leans, while marking me as full-on scum. Zedus: This guy has been tunneled on me over some math, and that's preety much all he has ever done. He doesn't seemed concerned in the slightest by others. Also, he seems to believe most lynches on day 1 must be random lynches, and therefore that implies he wants no lynches at all on day 1. Yes, half of my reads are null because it is Day One and I don't want to draw targets on people or manipulate. It was quite early into the game. This really got me; Alright I think I got a first attempt at a solve, or a good enough one for now, with my reads. These people who I am certain 100% , for now, that are town: Grakylan: It may not look like it, but I think he's absolutely town based on his given read. Look at just how many people he suspects or just leans. It matches the paranoia that can come with being a townie. Or even being AFK for that long due to IRL stuff that he had to deal with. I highly doubt he's scum. Like what the hell? Am I the only one that sees evil in Martin? HOw inaccurate and manipulative a read could be? Martin, please correct me. Nothing personal but I seriously don't see any good intent in you. Explain your logic on this because I seriously don't see why a townie would be paranoid on Day One. Well.. Hopefully we get to see more blunders and I might change my vote then. It is going good so far everyone. Thanks again for pointing out my mistake about "trial-lynch" others. But for now; Martin have been very inconsistent and most of his actions give away bad vibes to me. I am keeping my vote on him. :noose: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 299] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:21 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 That's part of the plan too. I explained mafia strat they are using now to lynch a townie d1. I hope the town has enough brains to draw conclusions after they will do this. If noone will be lynched (realy best choice for non-evils), strat will probably work (high chance). Asserting intellectual superiority and insulting everyone isn't what I call team-work that town in FM games often needs...Do you have any reasons for thinking this will convince the other townies to your cause? On a more serious note, how could insults ever be a towny thing to say? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 300] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:22 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Asserting intellectual superiority and insulting everyone isn't what I call team-work that town in FM games often needs...Do you have any reasons for thinking this will convince the other townies to your cause? On a more serious note, how could insults ever be a towny thing to say? Continuing on, I don't recall anyone else in this town insulting one another. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 301] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 It is Day One though. So I am still going to take Auwt's aggression with a pinch of salt. I suggest the same for everyone. But for now; Martin have been very inconsistent and most of his actions give away bad vibes to me. I am keeping my vote on him. :noose: You take everyone else's actions towards you with a pinch of salt but not mine? :thinking: Explain your logic on this because I seriously don't see why a townie would be paranoid on Day One. Also, for the paranoia explanation, that's because Townies are part of an uninformed majority, they don't know who is town, only themselves. While Mafia are part of an informed majority, they know who their partners are, and this shows on how paranoid they are. Generally Mafia would be less paranoid than Townies would be. If you think this isn't a sign of being town, and rather a sign of being scum for Grakylan, then why would Grakylan paint himself as scum? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 302] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Generally Mafia would be less paranoid than Townies would be. In fact, Zedus has been paranoid that I'm mafia. But I know I am not. And given the circumstances with his interactions with me and lack of interactions with others, I can only assume he is likely scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 303] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:45 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 In fact, Zedus has been paranoid that I'm mafia. But I know I am not. And given the circumstances with his interactions with me and lack of interactions with others, I can only assume he is likely scum. And here's an even better example: As to myself I see 2 scum team comp possible at the moment. First one is Zedus/bakermir, I'm pretty sure at least one of them is on the dark side. They both tunneled very hard on Martin, and as Zedus said, he is ready to see Martin be lynched even though he might be a townie. He has his own reason, we probably wont make him change his mind (although I dont like this mindset). Bakermir on the other hand blindly followed Ash's early vote on Martin without saying much reasons, could be seen as an attempt to get a train starting. The second one is Dallarian/Martin, as I said Dallarian like using non town inclusive pronouns and speech and tried his best to get Martin in a safer spot. Martin could be seen as a misleading townie as Zedus pointed out some post above in that case. I will try to look more into those possibilites. Making those kind of post could significantly help us in the next days, everyone should consider trying to make a bind between someone you voted and their possible ally. Auwt is fully aware that he is a townie, and based on the conclusions he has made, he feels he should be paranoid/wary of those four (which includes me). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 304] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 05:48 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, for the paranoia explanation, that's because Townies are part of an uninformed majority, they don't know who is town, only themselves. While Mafia are part of an informed majority, they know who their partners are, and this shows on how paranoid they are. Generally Mafia would be less paranoid than Townies would be. If you think this isn't a sign of being town, and rather a sign of being scum for Grakylan, then why would Grakylan paint himself as scum? I don't know Grakylan well so I can't judge them. It is all loose ends and that is the reason why I have only shown reaction at his entrance but then kept him "null". I still don't see your point here. Mafia would be hella paranoid because they are clearly not the majority here by votes. They have other paranoia's too like town power roles. Those roles can complicate their play to a larger extent. Why would I be paranoid on Day One as a townie? I still don't get this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 305] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 05:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 bakermir You pointed out Martin’s Grakylan read and I agree it’s weird. But is it actually scummy? Like in a world where Martin is scum, what is the purpose of writing that? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 306] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 05:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 In fact, Zedus has been paranoid that I'm mafia. But I know I am not. And given the circumstances with his interactions with me and lack of interactions with others, I can only assume he is likely scum. I don’t understand this. Townies are paranoid, Zedus is paranoid, so Zedus is scum? Huh? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 307] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't know Grakylan well so I can't judge them. It is all loose ends and that is the reason why I have only shown reaction at his entrance but then kept him "null". I still don't see your point here. Mafia would be hella paranoid because they are clearly not the majority here by votes. They have other paranoia's too like town power roles. Those roles can complicate their play to a larger extent. Why would I be paranoid on Day One as a townie? I still don't get this. Paranoia shows in someone's Reads. Grakylan read a lot of people as leans or nulls, never strictly town or scum. A mafia member knows who's who in terms of alignment, they would know how to read "correctly", they would be more sure of their Reads. Anyone with wrong reads tends to get suspected. Townies normally cant be as sure of their reads, especially if they're citizen or its day 1 (like you said, you took certain things with a pinch of salt). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 308] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 05:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 bakermir You pointed out Martin’s Grakylan read and I agree it’s weird. But is it actually scummy? Like in a world where Martin is scum, what is the purpose of writing that? We are yet to see what Martin will reveal eventually and I believe no progress have been made on finding out his alignment. However he seems to be trying too hard to redirect attention off himself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 309] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 05:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don’t understand this. Townies are paranoid, Zedus is paranoid, so Zedus is scum? Huh? Well I mean degrees of paranoia. People can fake paranoia too. Paranoia about one sole person, in my opinion, is more liekly to be inauthentic than one about people in general. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 310] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 05:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 We are yet to see what Martin will reveal eventually and I believe no progress have been made on finding out his alignment. However he seems to be trying too hard to redirect attention off himself. But how is it redirecting attention off himself to lock-town read a guy a lot of us are suspecting? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 311] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 We are yet to see what Martin will reveal eventually and I believe no progress have been made on finding out his alignment. However he seems to be trying too hard to redirect attention off himself. I think you might've skipped over it accidentally, which is fine since 280-ish posts is a lot to read. It was post #42. Basically, the point of the question was to figure out who would question me, and to what extent. I figure if people are town, they don't have an informed majority, and therefore are more skeptical of things. I wanted be proactive and get a good pool of reads to start from, and then other people might make their own informed analyses of it in the future. For example, if someone acted towny by questioning my motives and actions, but then refrained from attacking someone else in the future, that could be telling. If you review my past posts, you might see that I was hinting that I even counted your agression towards the question as an acceptable response, because thats the point. Scum might just answer it freely without care or question because they think there's nothing telling about it since it would be hypothetical. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 312] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 06:02 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well I mean degrees of paranoia. People can fake paranoia too. Paranoia about one sole person, in my opinion, is more liekly to be inauthentic than one about people in general. Ok, I see what you’re saying now. But uh, townies tunnel. Like if you only read bakemir’s posts you would think there’s only one scum in this game. I agree that Zedus is scummy as heck but I don’t think for that reason. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 313] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But how is it redirecting attention off himself to lock-town read a guy a lot of us are suspecting? As I said before, I've done studying before this game started. One of the games I read through was the Mafia Universe Championship, game 6 (If I recall correctly). There, JaggedJimmyJay made a valid point in reading someone as town because of how unsure their reads were. I don't think I can insert the quote here if I find it again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 314] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 06:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Paranoia shows in someone's Reads. Grakylan read a lot of people as leans or nulls, never strictly town or scum. A mafia member knows who's who in terms of alignment, they would know how to read "correctly", they would be more sure of their Reads. Anyone with wrong reads tends to get suspected. Townies normally cant be as sure of their reads, especially if they're citizen or its day 1 (like you said, you took certain things with a pinch of salt). That isn't consistent with the earlier reads you have given about him; Grakylan: Worse than Zedus in my opinion, only three posts. Also presumably tried to vote me. I don't like how he picks on my reference to depression & me in regards to my response to Ash's question as to what brings me to FM. I think this is completely unrelated to the game at hand. He also self admits being hasty in reading the thread...Is he not seriously considering or analyzing the discussions? & These people who I am certain 100% , for now, that are town: Grakylan: It may not look like it, but I think he's absolutely town based on his given read. Look at just how many people he suspects or just leans. It matches the paranoia that can come with being a townie. Or even being AFK for that long due to IRL stuff that he had to deal with. I highly doubt he's scum. Your opinions on people's alignment shift quite fast depending on how majority reacts to things. I find it very hard to trust in anything you say. I am still trying to understand your reasoning so I can finally remove my vote but I am not convinced. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 315] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 06:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But how is it redirecting attention off himself to lock-town read a guy a lot of us are suspecting? I think it suited him that Auwt created the Zedus-Bakermir duo and some people bandwagon right away. Now I would suspect he is a townie trying to follow rest of the townies but then his comment on cleaning Grak doesn't sound well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 316] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That isn't consistent with the earlier reads you have given about him; & Your opinions on people's alignment shift quite fast depending on how majority reacts to things. I find it very hard to trust in anything you say. I am still trying to understand your reasoning so I can finally remove my vote but I am not convinced. He didn't give a read back then. For all I knew he was suspect and I needed more information from them. Townies adapt to the information that they have, and so their reads change. This demonstrates that I have a flexible mindset, not an inconsistent mindset. For me, what Grakylan said was a big influence or valuation for me to consider him town, especially in a noob game where it would be expected for one to be unsure about their guesses as to who's scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 317] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you were noob, and had to guess who is town, that would be incredibly easy as a scum team member. All that nervousness that you may be wrong is lifted off of you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 318] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 06:17 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Is this supposed to be Renegade being G00FY? Please explain. I'm just speculating that there is some super contrived plot Zedus is referring to, and his suggestion about the invest and prot on you and him, and how he can't tell us what the plan is or some goofiness. This is sort of a half joke suggestion but the way he is talking I wouldn't be surprised. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 319] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 06:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 He didn't give a read back then. For all I knew he was suspect and I needed more information from them. Townies adapt to the information that they have, and so their reads change. This demonstrates that I have a flexible mindset, not an inconsistent mindset. For me, what Grakylan said was a big influence or valuation for me to consider him town, especially in a noob game where it would be expected for one to be unsure about their guesses as to who's scum. Oh yeah, we are all certainly clueless right now. Most of us are new players. However, we are familiar to the concept because we have played the mod version. Again, I see no reason why would that make him a useful town read for rest of us while it only benefits you. That selfishness isn't town-like at all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 320] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh yeah, we are all certainly clueless right now. Most of us are new players. However, we are familiar to the concept because we have played the mod version. Again, I see no reason why would that make him a useful town read for rest of us while it only benefits you. That selfishness isn't town-like at all. How is this selfishness? How exactly does that benefit me only? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 321] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How is this selfishness? How exactly does that benefit me only? In fact, I dont understand how its possible to be "selfish" with reads. I didn't know that was a thing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 322] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 06:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Paranoia shows in someone's Reads. Grakylan read a lot of people as leans or nulls, never strictly town or scum. A mafia member knows who's who in terms of alignment, they would know how to read "correctly", they would be more sure of their Reads. Anyone with wrong reads tends to get suspected. Townies normally cant be as sure of their reads, especially if they're citizen or its day 1 (like you said, you took certain things with a pinch of salt). Grak's reads could easily be more interpreted as "hedge-y", as Ash said mine were. Does that sound like town behavior to you? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 323] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 06:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I think it suited him that Auwt created the Zedus-Bakermir duo and some people bandwagon right away. Now I would suspect he is a townie trying to follow rest of the townies but then his comment on cleaning Grak doesn't sound well. Martin was on Zedus - Bakemir before Auwt though. I just went back and checked, Martin’s post was 244 and Auwt’s post was 257. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 324] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grak's reads could easily be more interpreted as "hedge-y", as Ash said mine were. Does that sound like town behavior to you? Renegade Actually, you make a valid point there. I didn't account for if how much effort he put into those reads. I assumed there was effort because the reads existed. Noted. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 325] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 06:26 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I'm just speculating that there is some super contrived plot Zedus is referring to, and his suggestion about the invest and prot on you and him, and how he can't tell us what the plan is or some goofiness. This is sort of a half joke suggestion but the way he is talking I wouldn't be surprised. I am also in between. Voting on Helltanis seems to be a good passive action but he might need more votes on him before he speaks out. Voting on Zedus is reasonable because he did set focus on Martin and gave no input on other people like Auwt etc who is openly attacking Zedus. He is not attacking anyone else on Day One. Seems fishy you know, but then again he might be right about Martin. Voting on Grakylan because he is a scum read for multiple people, a 100% town read according to Martin logic. He would be my next suspect after Martin. For others? I don't see any reason to vote them. I will keep my vote on Martin until there is a better candidate. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 326] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 06:28 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually, here’s a question for you Martin: the way you’re describing scum vs town play makes it sound a lot like you’re playing your definition of a scum game. You say scum are more certain of their reads, and you’ve landed a 100% town read on a very questionable slot. You say town are more paranoid and suspect more people but you are suspecting only two. Like... I don’t agree that this is always the case, but are you just describing YOUR scum game here? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 327] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grak's reads could easily be more interpreted as "hedge-y", as Ash said mine were. Does that sound like town behavior to you? Renegade Actually, you make a valid point there. I didn't account for if how much effort he put into those reads. I assumed there was effort because the reads existed. Noted. So my reads so far: Auwt - i appreciate you backing me up, but you are being a bit contarian to what everyones saying in some regards, especially after me. So town lean. Dallarian - still holding on to a grudge and targeting a player even after he withdraw his vote on him. Slight scum lean? Martin - All his high quality posts, math, his self-described ego problem, and AtE suggest either a TPR or scum trying to make himself look all so important. bakermir - I'm starting to think hes definitely scum. Zedus - him too, hes scum. Also throwing in the math and dodging questions. Null on everyone else. He only made his reads four minutes after his wall post examining what had happened since then. Im not sure if he put that much thought into his reads. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 328] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually, here’s a question for you Martin: the way you’re describing scum vs town play makes it sound a lot like you’re playing your definition of a scum game. You say scum are more certain of their reads, and you’ve landed a 100% town read on a very questionable slot. You say town are more paranoid and suspect more people but you are suspecting only two. Like... I don’t agree that this is always the case, but are you just describing YOUR scum game here? I apologize if I gave the impression that my reads were locked. In case you didn't notice, I actually moved you from Town on my first two reads (#43 and #150) to Town-lean at #244. Im just keeping my mind flexible. Right now that means not town-locking Grakylan because Renegade convinced me otherwise. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 329] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I apologize if I gave the impression that my reads were locked. In case you didn't notice, I actually moved you from Town on my first two reads (#43 and #150) to Town-lean at #244. Im just keeping my mind flexible. Right now that means not town-locking Grakylan because Renegade convinced me otherwise. I suppose its ironic. I actually tunneled that Grak was town LOL. But that's my ego problem again. I had jumped on it as soon as I thought it was something similar to what a champs game did. Also Zedus , if you're reading then this is the power of discussion and communication. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 330] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 06:35 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I apologize if I gave the impression that my reads were locked. In case you didn't notice, I actually moved you from Town on my first two reads (#43 and #150) to Town-lean at #244. Im just keeping my mind flexible. Right now that means not town-locking Grakylan because Renegade convinced me otherwise. Yikes, this is a dodge. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 331] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:38 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yikes, this is a dodge. Here's Marsmallow Marshall explaining the need to reevaluation. Its on this thread that was created for the newbies recently. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46854-Scumreading-and-Townreading-Your-thoughts-tips-and-guidance?p=869085#post869085 This has already been said, but I will say it again: reevaluation is extremely important. It's also the part almost everyone struggles with, even very high level players (some would say that because of the general accuracy of their reads, they are more confident with them). Without reevaluating your reads, you will disregard meaningful information because of your bias for or against a player, and that can be misleading. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 332] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here's Marsmallow Marshall explaining the need to reevaluation. Its on this thread that was created for the newbies recently. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46854-Scumreading-and-Townreading-Your-thoughts-tips-and-guidance?p=869085#post869085 I argue not being flexible with your reads and mindset isn't really good for a townie because of this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 333] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 06:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here's Marsmallow Marshall explaining the need to reevaluation. Its on this thread that was created for the newbies recently. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46854-Scumreading-and-Townreading-Your-thoughts-tips-and-guidance?p=869085#post869085 Double yikes, this is even more dodge-y. Like you’re trying to make it like I’m criticising you for re-evaluating. I’m not. You’re refusing to confront the fact that in your estimation a town player will be paranoid and have lots of scum reads but you only have 2. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 334] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 06:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I apologize if I gave the impression that my reads were locked. In case you didn't notice, I actually moved you from Town on my first two reads (#43 and #150) to Town-lean at #244. Im just keeping my mind flexible. Right now that means not town-locking Grakylan because Renegade convinced me otherwise. I don't know if I should trust you here. It was quite obvious. No? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 335] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 06:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Aaargh, but Zedus and Martin can’t possibly *both* be scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 336] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 06:47 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 about the invest and prot on you and him You can't even read correctly... OR! OR, not AND. Realy, what's wrong with you? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 337] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 06:49 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 You can't even read correctly... OR! OR, not AND. Realy, what's wrong with you? Honestly I don't give a fuck about your goofy contrived plan regardless. Now if you are town start acting like it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 338] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 06:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Double yikes, this is even more dodge-y. Like you’re trying to make it like I’m criticising you for re-evaluating. I’m not. You’re refusing to confront the fact that in your estimation a town player will be paranoid and have lots of scum reads but you only have 2. Well with roughly 300 posts, i felt I had enough information to be relatively certain in my views. Grakylan had only popped in twice, he wouldn't know the game off the back of his hand. I had hoped to communicate that my flexible and changing reads were examples of townie paranoia, however. Such as why I mentioned in a previous post that you moved positions in my reads in the past. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 339] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:01 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Aaargh, but Zedus and Martin can’t possibly *both* be scum. No, we still can. Well, I know I am not, but if some players voting each other it's doesn't mean they are not both evils. Imagine that Martin, who act like evil from the start and force town to lynch someone (it is only beneficial to the evils, and I explained why) is real evil. And I am evil too, but playing like townie who knows, that lynching d1 is worst move possible and target Martin for that. And we both f*cked this whole discussion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 340] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 07:02 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Aaargh, but Zedus and Martin can’t possibly *both* be scum. Or actually... maybe they can be? Like bussing d1 in this set up is a horrible play in my book, but maybe Zedus thinks it’s good? Zedus comes in and starts hard bussing Martin, who then really has no option but to go hard back against him. That way at least one comes out with town cred. Like I don’t think there’s any way Martin would agree to that strategy but if there’s no day chat like Zedus says and they can’t coordinate...? ...wait a sec. Zedus can you link me where you read that there’s no day chat? Or do you know some other way? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 341] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:03 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Honestly I don't give a fuck about your goofy contrived plan regardless. Now if you are town start acting like it. if you don’t understand something, it doesn’t mean that it’s goofy. It's means that YOU cannot understand the plan, that's all. And it's good for us if you are mafia. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 342] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 can you link me where you read that there’s no day chat? It's just a classic mafia rule. Evils cannot communicate at the day openly, only at night. If they can, then mafia is stronger in this forum version then in IRL version or even Sc2 Arcade, there you can communicate privately, but everyone will see that someone whispered something for someone else, that make you both suspiciuos. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 343] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:08 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Or actually... maybe they can be? Like bussing d1 in this set up is a horrible play in my book, but maybe Zedus thinks it’s good? Zedus comes in and starts hard bussing Martin, who then really has no option but to go hard back against him. That way at least one comes out with town cred. Like I don’t think there’s any way Martin would agree to that strategy but if there’s no day chat like Zedus says and they can’t coordinate...? ...wait a sec. Zedus can you link me where you read that there’s no day chat? Or do you know some other way? Ash Lael In the Order Of Operations in the Setup page,it says this: Order of Operations 0.1. Jailor/Kidnapper 0.2. Night Chats Open 1. Veteran 2. Escort/Consort -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 344] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash Lael In the Order Of Operations in the Setup page,it says this: This suggests that there is no 24/7 chat for mafia. However, on other setups (NOT THIS GAME'S), for example this: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/44383-S-FM-Standoff-(8P) they dont mention a chat at all -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 345] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack Does mafia have the ability to chat discreetly during the day in this setup/game? Just asking to be sure. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 346] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Like bussing d1 in this set up is a horrible play in my book, but maybe Zedus thinks it’s good? You can take a pause and think about why is this good. And you will have the answer if try to think deeper. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 347] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:14 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 if you don’t understand something, it doesn’t mean that it’s goofy. It's means that YOU cannot understand the plan, that's all. And it's good for us if you are mafia. There is no plan. You are being cryptic and are a total distraction for the town, and other than hard pressing martin you haven't done anything. Convince me to not vote you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 348] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack Does mafia have the ability to chat discreetly during the day in this setup/game? Just asking to be sure. There is PM button here, you know? Is there something to block you from use it and send a message to your mafia ally? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 349] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:16 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 There is no plan. There is. And I hope you are evil, who don't undestand that plan. If you are, plan will work. Well, will work if prots/invests acts like I offer. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 350] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:17 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 There is. And I hope you are evil, who don't undestand that plan. If you are, plan will work. Well, will work if prots/invests acts like I offer. No. Zedus You are doing basically everything you accuse Marino of, massively misleading town, speaking cryptically, I'm not convinced. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 351] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There is PM button here, you know? Is there something to block you from use it and send a message to your mafia ally? Bottom line of the Mechanics says that PM's are not allowed. I haven't tried it. Mechanics Days 48 hour / Nights 24 Hour. Lynch: 51% votes required, ends day, not mandatory. Last Wills & Death Notes active (PM Host). Private Messages are not allowed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 352] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 07:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There is PM button here, you know? Is there something to block you from use it and send a message to your mafia ally? Uh, wtf is this? God this whole sequence of posts from Zedus is just. So. Wolfy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 353] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 07:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus' total input sounds like the famous line "TP/LO ON ME. JAILOR HERE" but then, am I doing the right thing by pointing this out? Also @everyone, if you are going to miss out the final hours of Day One, I suggest you guys to not leave a vote on anyone. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 354] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 07:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There is PM button here, you know? Is there something to block you from use it and send a message to your mafia ally? Hold up. Can we pm any player in the game right now? How does that work? Do we see who pm's who like in the mod? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 355] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:22 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hold up. Can we pm any player in the game right now? How does that work? Do we see who pm's who like in the mod? Private messages are not allowed, per the quote from Marino above. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 356] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 07:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Private messages are not allowed, per the quote from Marino above. The how does it work for TG, lets say on day two. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 357] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Going to openly think here. If I were to vote Zedus now, that would leave him vulnerable to hammering, and even though I feel he's mighty suspect, in my opinion, I don't want to force the game to end its day early. Fwiw, it may be a good idea to end the day via lynch when the europeans are about to log off (Awut and Dallarian) so that when the next EOD comes, they'll be there for the end. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 358] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Going to openly think here. If I were to vote Zedus now, that would leave him vulnerable to hammering, and even though I feel he's mighty suspect, in my opinion, I don't want to force the game to end its day early. Fwiw, it may be a good idea to end the day via lynch when the europeans are about to log off (Awut and Dallarian) so that when the next EOD comes, they'll be there for the end. The forum seemed really active by that time. For me, that's around 4 or 5PM EST. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 359] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 07:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You can take a pause and think about why is this good. And you will have the answer if try to think deeper. Like this post just absolutely kills me. I’m here going “Zedus is so wolfy... but Martin is so wolfy... but they can’t both be wolves...” and here comes Zedus going “OH YES WE CAN!!!” -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 360] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:31 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus I'm not convinced. I realy don't care about it. 1. Lynching me is the goal mafia want's to reach. It's easy to understand that for any attentive player. You are not attentive. You don't even see the difference between AND and OR. 2. If town is smart (I hope town is), then noone will be lynched today. Because it' worst thing town can do d1, and it doesn't matter what Martin says. He don't undestand the game. Just egoistic af and thinks he can lead the town. Yes, he can lead. To losing. He is evil or towinie who absolutely unable to understand mistakes he made. And he made a lot. 3. If town is dumb, I will be lynched and mafia will reach their goal. Say thanks for Martin for that, and imagine you are the part of that dumb town, who just act like sheeps for no reason and followin idiotic offer to lynch someone d1. And next game you will not act this dumb way and you will say STFU to the first one who said "let's just lynch someone, it's good idea". And this game you will not follow his stupid offers more (and town will still have chance to win without following missleader). 4. If town is smart and prots/invests follow my plan (oh, according for your croud-like actions it's low chance, but my hope will die last), we will probably have up to 4 confirmed townies next day. I will explain that after we get some info. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 361] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:35 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I realy don't care about it. 1. Lynching me is the goal mafia want's to reach. It's easy to understand that for any attentive player. You are not attentive. You don't even see the difference between AND and OR. 2. If town is smart (I hope town is), then noone will be lynched today. Because it' worst thing town can do d1, and it doesn't matter what Martin says. He don't undestand the game. Just egoistic af and thinks he can lead the town. Yes, he can lead. To losing. He is evil or towinie who absolutely unable to understand mistakes he made. And he made a lot. 3. If town is dumb, I will be lynched and mafia will reach their goal. Say thanks for Martin for that, and imagine you are the part of that dumb town, who just act like sheeps for no reason and followin idiotic offer to lynch someone d1. And next game you will not act this dumb way and you will say STFU to the first one who said "let's just lynch someone, it's good idea". And this game you will not follow his stupid offers more (and town will still have chance to win without following missleader). 4. If town is smart and prots/invests follow my plan (oh, according for your croud-like actions it's low chance, but my hope will die last), we will probably have up to 4 confirmed townies next day. I will explain that after we get some info. Can someone translate this I don't speak the intaro language thanks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 362] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:35 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus' total input sounds like the famous line "TP/LO ON ME. JAILOR HERE" Yes, you understand more than the rest. The key is that I know my role and how I will use it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 363] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 07:36 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I realy don't care about it. 1. Lynching me is the goal mafia want's to reach. It's easy to understand that for any attentive player. You are not attentive. You don't even see the difference between AND and OR. 2. If town is smart (I hope town is), then noone will be lynched today. Because it' worst thing town can do d1, and it doesn't matter what Martin says. He don't undestand the game. Just egoistic af and thinks he can lead the town. Yes, he can lead. To losing. He is evil or towinie who absolutely unable to understand mistakes he made. And he made a lot. 3. If town is dumb, I will be lynched and mafia will reach their goal. Say thanks for Martin for that, and imagine you are the part of that dumb town, who just act like sheeps for no reason and followin idiotic offer to lynch someone d1. And next game you will not act this dumb way and you will say STFU to the first one who said "let's just lynch someone, it's good idea". And this game you will not follow his stupid offers more (and town will still have chance to win without following missleader). 4. If town is smart and prots/invests follow my plan (oh, according for your croud-like actions it's low chance, but my hope will die last), we will probably have up to 4 confirmed townies next day. I will explain that after we get some info. Town can only win by lynching. No-lynching d1 is ahorrible strategy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 364] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:36 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Can someone translate this I don't speak the intaro language thanks. Even with my bad english there is nothing to translate here. But for person who sees no difference between AND and OR... Well, maybe, maybe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 365] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:38 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I realy don't care about it. 1. Lynching me is the goal mafia want's to reach. It's easy to understand that for any attentive player. You are not attentive. You don't even see the difference between AND and OR. 2. If town is smart (I hope town is), then noone will be lynched today. Because it' worst thing town can do d1, and it doesn't matter what Martin says. He don't undestand the game. Just egoistic af and thinks he can lead the town. Yes, he can lead. To losing. He is evil or towinie who absolutely unable to understand mistakes he made. And he made a lot. 3. If town is dumb, I will be lynched and mafia will reach their goal. Say thanks for Martin for that, and imagine you are the part of that dumb town, who just act like sheeps for no reason and followin idiotic offer to lynch someone d1. And next game you will not act this dumb way and you will say STFU to the first one who said "let's just lynch someone, it's good idea". And this game you will not follow his stupid offers more (and town will still have chance to win without following missleader). 4. If town is smart and prots/invests follow my plan (oh, according for your croud-like actions it's low chance, but my hope will die last), we will probably have up to 4 confirmed townies next day. I will explain that after we get some info. You're not doing anybody you're trying to convince any favors. You disrespect and don't consider them to be a person, i doubt you could convince someone in a million years with that gross tactic. Heck, maybe I would be the one on the chopping block if you hadn't insulted most people on the thread already...... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 366] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:40 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yes, you understand more than the rest. The key is that I know my role and how I will use it. He just soft claimed TPR, AGAIN. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 367] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:41 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Town can only win by lynching. No-lynching d1 is ahorrible strategy. Who said that dumb thing to you? Lynching d1 is randoming. Result will be most likely -1 townie before n1. That's why lynching d1 is not even allowed in IRL and arcade game. Only evils have benefits from lynching d1. Imagine that real evils just doing nothing, not even chating, and just will vote someone with 3 votes from lynch-happy townies in a last second. That's how this always works. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 368] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 07:41 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 He just soft claimed TPR, AGAIN. Is that even soft claiming anymore? At this point he may as well just hard claim. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 369] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 07:42 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I realy don't care about it. 1. Lynching me is the goal mafia want's to reach. It's easy to understand that for any attentive player. You are not attentive. You don't even see the difference between AND and OR. 2. If town is smart (I hope town is), then noone will be lynched today. Because it' worst thing town can do d1, and it doesn't matter what Martin says. He don't undestand the game. Just egoistic af and thinks he can lead the town. Yes, he can lead. To losing. He is evil or towinie who absolutely unable to understand mistakes he made. And he made a lot. 3. If town is dumb, I will be lynched and mafia will reach their goal. Say thanks for Martin for that, and imagine you are the part of that dumb town, who just act like sheeps for no reason and followin idiotic offer to lynch someone d1. And next game you will not act this dumb way and you will say STFU to the first one who said "let's just lynch someone, it's good idea". And this game you will not follow his stupid offers more (and town will still have chance to win without following missleader). 4. If town is smart and prots/invests follow my plan (oh, according for your croud-like actions it's low chance, but my hope will die last), we will probably have up to 4 confirmed townies next day. I will explain that after we get some info. I actually understand your concern but the way you communicate it does sound scary for majority here and that is another dilemma we have. You and Martin have very low chance of being in the same team according to cross reads. General census believes you are scum and evil. I give that to your tone. However, I see that you are at the edge of getting hammered, I will refrain from voting you up. Please elaborate why did you ask for town prot/lookout on both you and Martin? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 370] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 He just soft claimed TPR, AGAIN. Well, try to explain your logic and I will explain why you are not understanding the game. After that you will be just silent and follow town majority with no attempts of leading this and offer some your "genius" ideas. Okey? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 371] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:44 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Who said that dumb thing to you? Lynching d1 is randoming. Result will be most likely -1 townie before n1. That's why lynching d1 is not even allowed in IRL and arcade game. Only evils have benefits from lynching d1. Imagine that real evils just doing nothing, not even chating, and just will vote someone with 3 votes from lynch-happy townies in a last second. That's how this always works. Im going to be sad if I find out there aren't any investigative roles that were rolled, because then the whole premise and idea that is suggested by d1 no-lynch is "Lets wait untill we have leads from our TPR's!" is suddenly nothing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 372] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 07:45 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Who said that dumb thing to you? Lynching d1 is randoming. Result will be most likely -1 townie before n1. That's why lynching d1 is not even allowed in IRL and arcade game. Only evils have benefits from lynching d1. Imagine that real evils just doing nothing, not even chating, and just will vote someone with 3 votes from lynch-happy townies in a last second. That's how this always works. All the best mafia players in the world say it. Achromatic, GeneralHankerchief, JaggedJimmyJay, SilverKeith etc, etc. Day one lynching is not random. We have information - how you have acted, for example. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 373] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:46 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Please elaborate why did you ask for town prot/lookout on both you and Martin? Once more, realy? Not AND! OR! I don't realy care will it be me or him. It's doesn't matter. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 374] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 unvoting -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 375] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:47 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 All the best mafia players in the world say it. Achromatic, GeneralHankerchief, JaggedJimmyJay, SilverKeith etc, etc. Day one lynching is not random. We have information - how you have acted, for example. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This guy went to a tournament for the best players of Forum Mafia. He knows it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 376] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 07:47 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Once more, realy? Not AND! OR! I don't realy care will it be me or him. It's doesn't matter. fine. tp/lo on him OR you but why? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 377] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 07:49 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 All the best mafia players in the world say it. Achromatic, GeneralHankerchief, JaggedJimmyJay, SilverKeith etc, etc. Day one lynching is not random. We have information - how you have acted, for example. Like go read Game 6 of mafia champs. They lynched scum correctly day1, day 2, and day 3. That was not random, it was just beautiful quality town day play. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 378] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:50 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 For town invests and protectives, I offer: Invest me and protect Martin. Or invest Martin and protect me. Up to you. You are bitching about the AND OR but here you are literally using both. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 379] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:51 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I'm just speculating that there is some super contrived plot Zedus is referring to, and his suggestion about the invest and prot on you and him, and how he can't tell us what the plan is or some goofiness. This is sort of a half joke suggestion but the way he is talking I wouldn't be surprised. What I said, about the Invest and Prot on you and him, that exactly lines up with both situations you laid out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 380] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:52 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 You can't even read correctly... OR! OR, not AND. Realy, what's wrong with you? What the fuck is wrong with you? Fucking shame if you are town power acting like a goofy one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 381] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:53 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 At this juncture I am done with Zedus, who clearly doesn't know how to play if he is a town power, breadcrumbing making assumptions about invest and prot that may or may not even exist. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 382] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:53 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Breadcrumbing AND making assumptions, for the above. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 383] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 07:54 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 What the fuck is wrong with you? Fucking shame if you are town power acting like a goofy one. Oh he’s a power role all right. Just not a town one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 384] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:54 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 We have information - how you have acted, for example. You have no information. You have assumptions mostly based on random thoughts. That thoughts will be most likely based on more often posts. So if you will post a lot, players with no opinion (most of players) will just share your opinion. It's like russian fake elections: "if not Putin then who?". Sure, you see only Putin in every fucking hole, who else? :D I explained easy mafia strat before (I hope you have read that). Now you can help them to realize it. Or not. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 385] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 At this juncture I am done with Zedus, who clearly doesn't know how to play if he is a town power... Funny to read this from player, who thinks he knows to play, but act like sheep :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 386] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 07:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 unvoting Do you buy the claim? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 387] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Funny to read this from player, who thinks he knows to play, but act like sheep :) Please point out specifically where in this game so far I have acted like a sheep. Thanks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 388] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Do you buy the claim? I'm not sold, but I do see the probability of him just being an asshole and taking down town with him with his terrible play. I think you said 50/50 for him, I probably would agree. Higher than the 2/9 latent probability for sure. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 389] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 07:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Please point out specifically where in this game so far I have acted like a sheep. Thanks. Following Martin, for example. Well, if you are his mafia ally, it's ok. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 390] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 07:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 On a side note: The timezone difference makes it a bit hard, doesn't it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 391] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 07:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Following Martin, for example. Well, if you are his mafia ally, it's ok. Where EXACTLY. Quote the post. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 392] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 25th, 2020 07:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, i don't see a point in me staying around anymore. I gotta go to sleep soon anyways (10:58 PM here), and we can have our final discussions tomorrow on this or other topics. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 393] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 On a side note: The timezone difference makes it a bit hard, doesn't it? Yes, so you are correct about being mindful a few hours before EOD tomorrow (around 3PM EST) when EU players and NA players will be on concurrently. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 394] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 08:01 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Funny to read this from player, who thinks he knows to play, but act like sheep :) Abusing the player who just invited you? Whatever alignment you are, you’re just suicidal. Actually no. You just think your soft claim makes you immortal and we won’t have the balls to lynch you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 395] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:01 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Why you call "terrible play" something you just can't understand? Is it easy to you to call something terrible then try to think why would... Bus Driver act this way Sheriff act this way Mayor act this way Even fucking Godfather, lol, act this way? You don't even think, you instantly posting first simple answer, appearing in your head. Do you realy think it's good? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 396] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Abusing the player who just invited you? Whatever alignment you are, you’re just suicidal. Actually no. You just think your soft claim makes you immortal and we won’t have the balls to lynch you. Rest assured I didn't invite this one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 397] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:04 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Following Martin, for example. Well, if you are his mafia ally, it's ok. QUOTE THE POST. OR SHUT UP WITH THE SCUM BULLSHIT. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 398] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 08:04 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm not sold, but I do see the probability of him just being an asshole and taking down town with him with his terrible play. I think you said 50/50 for him, I probably would agree. Higher than the 2/9 latent probability for sure. Yeah, I keep wavering. At one moment I feel like he HAS to be scum and then Martin says something that puts the yikes up my spine and I think it HAS to be him instead... I don’t know, probably I need to go away and re-evaluate. There’s also a part of me that just wants to punish his terrible play and attitude even if it’s bad for us, and I’m trying not to listen to that part. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 399] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 08:05 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Rest assured I didn't invite this one. Sorry, autocorrect. I meant unvoted. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 400] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:05 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 QUOTE THE POST. OR SHUT UP WITH THE SCUM BULLSHIT. That is an inclusive OR statement for pedantic Zebus, so you are welcome to do BOTH. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 401] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah, I keep wavering. At one moment I feel like he HAS to be scum and then Martin says something that puts the yikes up my spine and I think it HAS to be him instead... I don’t know, probably I need to go away and re-evaluate. There’s also a part of me that just wants to punish his terrible play and attitude even if it’s bad for us, and I’m trying not to listen to that part. Part of me wants to punish this terrible play as well. But again, we risk him taking town down with him. He does seem to think he is immortal. Fucking trainwreck if he is town, totally derailing the day (what he accuses Marino of doing, again). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 402] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You just think your soft claim makes you immortal and we won’t have the balls to lynch you. Please, please, don't even try to think what's am I thinking :) Realy, you will be wrong in any case with... I think, 99,9% chance. Just try to re-read some things I wrote before. And try to undestand that things, not my thoughts. Imagine I am town role, think about it. Imagine I am evil role, think about it again. This way can work. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 403] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 08:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Why you call "terrible play" something you just can't understand? Is it easy to you to call something terrible then try to think why would... Bus Driver act this way Sheriff act this way Mayor act this way Even fucking Godfather, lol, act this way? You don't even think, you instantly posting first simple answer, appearing in your head. Do you realy think it's good? I don’t think it’s good play for any role of any alignment To act how you are acting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 404] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Please, please, don't even try to think what's am I thinking :) Realy, you will be wrong in any case with... I think, 99,9% chance. Just try to re-read some things I wrote before. And try to undestand that things, not my thoughts. Imagine I am town role, think about it. Imagine I am evil role, think about it again. This way can work. Telling other players to reread your goofy cryptic "posts" is extremely unproductive at best and distracting and harmful to the town at worst. I'm tired of hearing from you and from other games JuSt ReReAd ThE pOsT. That is NOT a good defense. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 405] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Fucking trainwreck if he is town, totally derailing the day And this will be great lesson for you and others. Maybe after 4-5 lessons we will have more interesting game, there players will think more before post something. This will be good, don't you think? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 406] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And this will be great lesson for you and others. Maybe after 4-5 lessons we will have more interesting game, there players will think more before post something. This will be good, don't you think? So you want to fuck town to teach us a lesson? Wow, thanks Mr. Rogers. Waiting on your quotation post specifically pointing out where I sheep Marino. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 407] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Maybe the problem is us, Zedus, maybe, just maybe, it is you. Some introspection is in order, perhaps? But I'm done engaging with you now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 408] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That is NOT a good defense. Why you think I need some defence from stupid random lynching d1? As I said, there is NO reason for town do this, and best results we can have is no 5 votes on anyone. I will even fucking unvote Martin if he will have 4, lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 409] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I didn't read anywhere in any of the new player guides kindly given to us to: Make sure to take town down with you if you are town and suspected of being scum or are mislynched. TEACH THEM A LESSON! That is so contradictory to how town should play to win. Even if you are mislynched, you should be doing as much as you can to HELP the town, not "teach them a lesson". Ridiculous. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 410] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 08:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How does the final votes look like? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 411] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Why you think I need some defence from stupid random lynching d1? As I said, there is NO reason for town do this, and best results we can have is no 5 votes on anyone. I will even fucking unvote Martin if he will have 4, lol. Where is the specific quote of me sheeping Martin, or are you refusing to play? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 412] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So you want to fuck town to teach us a lesson? No. You will get that lesson if you lynch townie d1. Maybe you will need 10 lessons of lynching townie d1 to understand that lesson. Maybe you need 100. I don't know. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 413] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Why you think I need some defence from stupid random lynching d1? As I said, there is NO reason for town do this, and best results we can have is no 5 votes on anyone. I will even fucking unvote Martin if he will have 4, lol. If you are town, you should WANT TO DEFEND YOURSELF, to HELP TOWN. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 414] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 No. You will get that lesson if you lynch townie d1. Maybe you will need 10 lessons of lynching townie d1 to understand that lesson. Maybe you need 100. I don't know. THIS BULLSHIT DOES NOT HELP TOWN. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 415] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 08:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay, none of this is getting us anywhere. There is no point continuing to interact with Zedus. Zedus I’m going to go away, do some real life stuff, reflect, come back before EOD and discuss with others and then cast my final vote. Which will still probably be for Zedus, but y’know. The process matters. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 416] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay, none of this is getting us anywhere. There is no point continuing to interact with Zedus. Zedus I’m going to go away, do some real life stuff, reflect, come back before EOD and discuss with others and then cast my final vote. Which will still probably be for Zedus, but y’know. The process matters. Yes I agree. Bedtime. I realize my continued engagement with Zedus is contributing MORE to his derailment of town. Not good. Tomorrow it is! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 417] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 08:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Why you think I need some defence from stupid random lynching d1? As I said, there is NO reason for town do this, and best results we can have is no 5 votes on anyone. I will even fucking unvote Martin if he will have 4, lol. Oh god dammit I’m about to leave and you suck me back in with bullshit like this. Really? You would unvote the player that YOU SAID was 99% scum? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 418] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 25th, 2020 08:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok ok, done. I’m out for real now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 419] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 25th, 2020 08:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Wait so end of day is 3pm est? Aka 12pm for me. I might only start to wake up by that point since my sleep schedule is fucked. Therefore, perhaps I should run the risk of hammering you Mr. Zedus so I dont forget to vote as I sleep. Any reason why I should NOT vote you, Zedus? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 420] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 25th, 2020 08:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Wait so end of day is 3pm est? Aka 12pm for me. I might only start to wake up by that point since my sleep schedule is fucked. Therefore, perhaps I should run the risk of hammering you Mr. Zedus so I dont forget to vote as I sleep. Any reason why I should NOT vote you, Zedus? No it is 7 PM est. I was saying 3pm EST is probably when EU and NA will be on around the same time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 421] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Where is the specific quote of me sheeping Martin, or are you refusing to play? Lol, it's easy Grakylan: Worse than Zedus in my opinion, only three posts. Also presumably tried to vote me. I don't like how he picks on my reference to depression & me in regards to my response to Ash's question as to what brings me to FM. I think this is completely unrelated to the game at hand. He also self admits being hasty in reading the thread...Is he not seriously considering or analyzing the discussions? Scum Next post: Based on the performance so far, this seems like the natural lynch to me. Grakylan The funny thing that's then I pointed on that, Martins said This at no point involved Grakylan. And blah-blah-blah... I don't realy want to read the whole 20 pages again, but you following him most part of the game for no reason. Well, Dallarian protecting him so hard, so he is more suspicious for me then even Martin, lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 422] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That is so contradictory to how town should play to win. Even if you are mislynched, you should be doing as much as you can to HELP the town, not "teach them a lesson". I tryed to help town then I explained a lot why random lynch d1 is only evil-benefits. You don't even listen. Well, random lynch me then, or someone else, maybe this will teach you something. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 423] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Really? You would unvote the player that YOU SAID was 99% scum? Yes, because he still can be incompetent town player, missleading town a lot. Imagine he is just a dumb lynch-happy sheriff. Noone voted. He will check me and he will say "sorry, I was dumb" and stop his attempts to lead the town to hell. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 424] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Any reason why I should NOT vote you, Zedus? Presumption of innocence. There is no ANY reason to vote me at all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 425] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Any reason why I should NOT vote you, Zedus? Also we are the same team, looks like you forgot something. I will remind you. Zedus: Provided, he hasn't posted much. But with his posts all he has done is socialize a tiny bit with no content, and just vote me with only 2 posts explaining why. Also, as I see it, he was implying that a no-lynch was better than any lynch at all. But I could be wrong given that he voted me. Grakylan: Worse than Zedus in my opinion, only three posts. Also presumably tried to vote me. I don't like how he picks on my reference to depression & me in regards to my response to Ash's question as to what brings me to FM. I think this is completely unrelated to the game at hand. He also self admits being hasty in reading the thread...Is he not seriously considering or analyzing the discussions? Scum -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 426] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh, sorry, princess is in another castle already! This at no point involved Grakylan. I was stating the connection between you and Bakermir, not Grakylan. This is so funny to read this random pointing from him. He can't even remember what he said 10 minutes before. As for me, I never changed my mind. Pay attention for game and you will see who is opportunity vane here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 427] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 08:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 found it MartinGG99 (2 [L-3]): bakermir, Zedus Zedus (1 [L-4]): Dallarian I wonder why Dallarian left a vote on someone and went afk for that long period of a time. At the same time he was like "oh no votes! hammering risk!". Also in some of his posts he pretty much revealed a power role. Thats really weird to me with that afk vote on zedus. Zedus could have been lynched already but somehow he is back to 1 vote. I don't know. I think both Zedus and Martin are under stress of their roles. Lynching either could turn out really bad. We need to hear from Dallarian, Helltanis, Grakylan and Auwt before we start the court. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 428] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Lynching either could turn out really bad. Almost agree, but with remark. Lynching ANYONE WILL turn out really bad. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 429] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 08:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I think both Zedus and Martin are under stress of their roles. I am under stress of this game, not my role. Autistic trains, random votes, voting d1 for no reason, incompetent players, trying to lead the town... This is not what I expected from the forum mafia, where there is a lot of time for thought. Players posting faster then they thinking... Well, maybe the first problem is that's there is a lot of new players, the second problem is most of them can't accept that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 430] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 08:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Almost agree, but with remark. Lynching ANYONE WILL turn out really bad. If that is the case, then why did you vote for Martin and got him in the range of hammering? That's exactly what made you look evil and your claim means bullshit after that you realize it yeah? Because it is very specific claim. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 431] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 25th, 2020 09:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If that is the case, then why did you vote for Martin and got him in the range of hammering? I explained that a lot. He is lynch-happy, he missleading town, he pretending to be competent player, but he isn't. That's why I consider him as evil or just a dumb player. Also I said I will probably unvote if there will be 4 votes on him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 432] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 25th, 2020 10:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 found it MartinGG99 (2 [L-3]): bakermir, Zedus Zedus (1 [L-4]): Dallarian I wonder why Dallarian left a vote on someone and went afk for that long period of a time. At the same time he was like "oh no votes! hammering risk!". Also in some of his posts he pretty much revealed a power role. Thats really weird to me with that afk vote on zedus. Zedus could have been lynched already but somehow he is back to 1 vote. I don't know. I think both Zedus and Martin are under stress of their roles. Lynching either could turn out really bad. We need to hear from Dallarian, Helltanis, Grakylan and Auwt before we start the court. "In some of those posts Dallarin basically revealed TPR" Any specific examples to back that up? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 433] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 25th, 2020 10:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 "In some of those posts Dallarin basically revealed TPR" Any specific examples to back that up? #246 is indicative -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 434] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 12:51 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Morning everyone I ll try to stay more active therefore I only want the best for us and to supende justice imma give you my interesting theorys why you could be possible town and scum -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 435] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 01:00 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Morning everyone I ll try to stay more active therefore I only want the best for us and to supende justice imma give you my interesting theorys why you could be possible town and scum Good Morning Helltanis. I can't wait to hear them ^^ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 436] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 01:12 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 my interesting theorys why you could be possible town and scum Town and scum at the same time? O_o -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 437] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 01:15 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I am reading slowly throught everything and refering to things 10 pages ago. As to myself I see 2 scum team comp possible at the moment. The second one is Dallarian/Martin, as I said Dallarian like using non town inclusive pronouns and speech and tried his best to get Martin in a safer spot. Martin could be seen as a misleading townie as Zedus pointed out some post above in that case. To be honest, I expected you to put me in team with Martin a bit earlier. Also I explained "using non town inclusive pronouns" in #201. I am unsure if someone read it, cause nobody reacted to this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 438] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 01:17 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 @Martin Townhe could be our greatest ally due to the stats and information given and statistics Scum he may have started to get our trust early on and a bit to confirm townies @Grakyln Townhe may possible be town but has been afk for some time I'm still unsure Scumor he may possible scum ducking very low Dallarian[/COLOR]Townhe may be town due to the reason of votes to get information out of people scumhe may be scum due to the fact he dint include himself but otherwise his fine Zedus Townhe may be town due to the fact he dint want any random lynches scumhe may be scum when he overreacted with Martin question Ash leai Townshe may be a great ally with a sharp analytical mind and information Scum with good deception and trust at the beginning Martin clarified her as town but I say we need more information for judgement Auwt Town he has nice theorys on the people who dont talk as much and have suspicion activitys scum he may be scum cause he was voted and gave some information to lower tension Renegade Townhe pays attention to people who arnt here and are too silentScumor his using silent people to get a quick lynch or draw suspicion somewhere else @Bakmir Townhas interesting information on people which can aid town Scum he could use deception in some information on page 1-3 was relatively useless posts -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 439] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 01:22 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah it just clarify the reasons why -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 440] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 01:24 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Some people I have to recap through , I'm still gonna recap bakir but these are my thoughts so far -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 441] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 01:25 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hope us town can benefit from my evaluations -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 442] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 26th, 2020 01:30 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack Does mafia have the ability to chat discreetly during the day in this setup/game? Just asking to be sure. Mafia have a Night chat. Where they can talk in private at night. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 443] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 01:36 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Re-evaluation @Bikimar Townbecause gave information early on the forum game and claims to read Scumstill a bit quite on 10-20 with little or no information -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 444] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 01:43 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway is there any questions anyone wants to ask me? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 445] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 01:45 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Re-evaluation @Bikimar Townbecause gave information early on the forum game and claims to read Scumstill a bit quite on 10-20 with little or no information He still needs more information his town reason inst strong at the moment -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 446] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 01:56 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Scum lean @Bakmir still he reads and has little or no information as townie so his low value target for mafia or he is a scum Town lean Renegade he gets information out of people a town sign [COLOR="#008000"][/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 447] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 01:58 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Imma need more information still, theres still alot of room for deception, the rest of you are still Null -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 448] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 01:59 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway is there any questions anyone wants to ask me? Yeah, which of your two theories for each person do you think is true, and why? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 449] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 02:01 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Imma need more information still, theres still alot of room for deception, the rest of you are still Null Oh. Yikes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 450] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:02 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So far I think Bakmir and Graklyn needs to talk they my 2 possible scum -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 451] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 02:03 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So... you don’t have an opinion on whether Zedus or Martin are scum? The pros and cons of those questions have been discussed extensively, I’m sure that you should be able to develop some sort of opinion on them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 452] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 02:05 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And... if you don’t have a scum read on Martin, why did you try to vote him before? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 453] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:05 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway just my theory to help us as town next time with my evaluation I ll put points based on you reasoning of being scum of town , if you scum reasoning is higher I suspect you as scum -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 454] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:07 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And... if you don’t have a scum read on Martin, why did you try to vote him before? I dont think I did imma kinda new to how things work but I tried to vote Graklyn previously if that's what you referring to -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 455] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 02:11 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Scum lean @Bakmir still he reads and has little or no information as townie so his low value target for mafia or he is a scum Town lean Renegade he gets information out of people a town sign [COLOR="#008000"][/ oh I am here and reading yes. I just didn't wanna interrupt you or Dallarian from speaking. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 456] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:13 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So... you don’t have an opinion on whether Zedus or Martin are scum? The pros and cons of those questions have been discussed extensively, I’m sure that you should be able to develop some sort of opinion on them. Martin clearly said something about lynching day one I think I ll have to back few pages to check Zedus on the other hand instead of politely explaining why had a overreaction however I think Martin had give us is a bit beneficial compared to Zedus it's my opinion at the moment -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 457] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 02:17 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I dont think I did imma kinda new to how things work but I tried to vote Graklyn previously if that's what you referring to This is a list of the edit posts so far. Showing the original and then the new version. Remember peeps. Editing posts is against the rules. Old: New: Old: New: Old: New: So. We have it here in black and white. You attempted to vote Martin. You edited your post (against the rules) to hide that attempted vote. And now you’re trying to claim it never happened. Please. Explain yourself. Because right now to me this looks damning. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 458] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:19 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I want everyone to answer this question If you had 3 wishes what would you wish for I d wish for fame and reputation from my fellow comrades I d wish for corna to go away really impacts my future I d wish for a successful career as an accountant -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 459] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:22 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So. We have it here in black and white. You attempted to vote Martin. You edited your post (against the rules) to hide that attempted vote. And now you’re trying to claim it never happened. Please. Explain yourself. Because right now to me this looks damning. Ok so if I did try to vote Martin it must of been due to the 1fact I want to see how votes work otherwise I wanted to vote Graklyn -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 460] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:24 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I edited my post cause I did it unsuccessfully and thought I d be making a fool if my self however superjack I understand this my rise suspicion to me early on -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 461] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 02:27 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I edited my post cause I did it unsuccessfully and thought I d be making a fool if my self however superjack I understand this my rise suspicion to me early on So we’re dropping the “I don’t remember doing that” story now, huh? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 462] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 02:29 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I want everyone to answer this question If you had 3 wishes what would you wish for I d wish for fame and reputation from my fellow comrades I d wish for corna to go away really impacts my future I d wish for a successful career as an accountant How do I unvote btw? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 463] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:32 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well you right to think I'm suspicious but I'm tryna aid us as town I ve alrdy gave some stuff that could make sense why we could be scum possible I could be scum for lying _forgetten/editing posts but I ll make it clear and try to redeem myself, I dont want to make town mislynch otherwise we would be giving mafia advantage -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 464] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 02:36 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 hmm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 465] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 02:39 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well you right to think I'm suspicious but I'm tryna aid us as town I ve alrdy gave some stuff that could make sense why we could be scum possible I could be scum for lying _forgetten/editing posts but I ll make it clear and try to redeem myself, I dont want to make town mislynch otherwise we would be giving mafia advantage So who do you wanna get? Zedus or Grakylan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 466] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:41 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So we’re dropping the “I don’t remember doing that” story now, huh? Well I did tell you the truth about why I tried to vote and edit, to be honest I haven't been yesterday for a long time I was busy with homework and chores and ect So you dont have to believe me but I'm telling you I have no reason to listen or hard anything and I must of forgotten but I appreciate it that you played attention to detail -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 467] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:43 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well I did tell you the truth about why I tried to vote and edit, to be honest I haven't been yesterday for a long time I was busy with homework and chores and ect So you dont have to believe me but I'm telling you I have no reason to listen or hard anything and I must of forgotten but I appreciate it that you played attention to detail no reason to lie or hide anything* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 468] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:44 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So who do you wanna get? Zedus or Grakylan My guy feeling says Grakyln his been afk for too long without any valuable information -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 469] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:50 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grakyln -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 470] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:50 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Vote is like you vote like this player name -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 471] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:51 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 [ you vote like this [ vote]player name [ /vote] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 472] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 02:54 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grakyln Right now, this post is the best argument I’ve seen for Grak being town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 473] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 02:57 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay. I want to ask you some stuff about your reads. I am trying to get a better picture at this; Dallarian[/COLOR]Townhe may be town due to the reason of votes to get information out of people scumhe may be scum due to the fact he dint include himself but otherwise his fine Ash leai Townshe may be a great ally with a sharp analytical mind and information Scum with good deception and trust at the beginning Martin clarified her as town but I say we need more information for judgement Auwt Town he has nice theorys on the people who dont talk as much and have suspicion activitys scum he may be scum cause he was voted and gave some information to lower tension Can you elaborate these 4 reads? What makes you think Dallarian is 100% town and follow him to lynching Zedus? Now you claim you want to lynch Grakylan. This is all looking bad for you. Why do you call Ash "she"? Is this just a simple gender assumption even though their profile picture clearly display a male? Do you know something we don't? Auwt was another person Dallarian casually voted up. Why do you think he wanted to lower tension? Can you explain this part to me? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 474] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 02:57 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok so what's your reasoning for grak being town? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 475] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 02:58 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay. I want to ask you some stuff about your reads. I am trying to get a better picture at this; Can you elaborate these 4 reads? What makes you think Dallarian is 100% town and follow him to lynching Zedus? Now you claim you want to lynch Grakylan. This is all looking bad for you. Why do you call Ash "she"? Is this just a simple gender assumption even though their profile picture clearly display a male? Do you know something we don't? Auwt was another person Dallarian casually voted up. Why do you think he wanted to lower tension? Can you explain this part to me? Sorry, forgot to include grakylan read. @Grakyln Townhe may possible be town but has been afk for some time I'm still unsure Scumor he may possible scum ducking very low -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 476] Auteur : Helltanis Date : June 26th, 2020 03:03 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay. I want to ask you some stuff about your reads. I am trying to get a better picture at this; Can you elaborate these 4 reads? What makes you think Dallarian is 100% town and follow him to lynching Zedus? Now you claim you want to lynch Grakylan. This is all looking bad for you. Why do you call Ash "she"? Is this just a simple gender assumption even though their profile picture clearly display a male? Do you know something we don't? Auwt was another person Dallarian casually voted up. Why do you think he wanted to lower tension? Can you explain this part to me? I dont think Dallarian 100% town I gave my reasoning a possibility why he might be town, I miss interpreted ash gender and I think Auwt only spoke for value information when Dallarain voted him but anyway just how I interpreted it, Graklyn seemed sus to me in a way that he was to quite -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 477] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 03:07 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok, so. If we live in easy world, the scum team is one of Zedus/Martin along with one of Helltanis/Grakyln. We have 4 lynches as long as we hit at least one scum, so if we just chain lynch this entire group of players we are guaranteed to win. If we live in hard world, that’s wrong and there’s also a scum somewhere in Auwt/Dell/bake/renegade. I’ve felt pretty good though about all those players but Renegade, but honestly their reactions and frustrations with Zedus felt pretty damn sincere and towny, so I think I’m happy to just say they’re town now. None of those reads is rock solid (well, bakemir is pretty solid), but given just how scummy the other four are I feel fairly good about the idea that we just have a winning process of elimination. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 478] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 03:07 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The discussion took a way different and interesting way between when I was here and when I wasnt. Auwt explain why are we ally with that bakemir, it's realy very interesting to know :D :D :D :D :D Everything is explained in my 'all player analysis, you both voted Martin up and used a very weak/absent reasoning. As the game goes by, I'm more and more thinking you 2 are not on the same side anyway, thats what I also said when I put up the bakermir/Zedus team I believe only one of them could be a scum. Bakermir is trying to discredit you through P12-20. First, I said check him OR me, and protect him OR me. Second, I told I will explain this after I will be confirmed. Or he will be. Not now. This is kinda town strat you don't know. If you are prot/invest, you can try it or ignore, up to you. Thats the kind of post I was waiting for, you openly claiming Town power? Do you have only a way to be confirmed? If so, I would gladly not be voting on you ! Btw if your future claim is det/lookout and so on, roles that can be easily faked by agent/consiglere I wouldnt consider this as a valid claim. We had same issue during last FM game, where all the roles (almost) were both scum and town sided But there is NO connection between us, except we both voting lynch-happy missleader. Real connection between you and your Lord Protector, who even trying to save you from invest check, not only from lynch, is strong as hell. Indeed, you can refer as my first answer in this post. This still makes no sense. Why tell people to protect a scum you’re shooting? Anyway whoever protect Martin this night isnt that smart. Martin is being scumread by almost half the people in here. Scum would obviously focus on someone not being voted/suspected/whatever you could think. If they do kill Martin, honestly it would relieve the game a lot cause all the people scumreading him would have to update their reads. No point on protecting nor killing Martin at night. So I was away for a while and damn this is so hard to read every post and try to stay active in the game by giving input. Now I just wanted to go with the flow you know, check the latest posts and write something off but hey, here I am trying to leave a comment on every post been made past 12+ hours I have been missing. I still believe this period was quite productive. Especially some people showing their teeth already. I like that. I also don't want to make it sound like what I am saying is big deal and there is nothing that will make anyone go OOF like with my "trial" and push on Martin earlier. Obviously, I did not know about the trial mechanic. But now I do thanks to you guys. I believed it works just like in mod but I was wrong. I apologize to everyone here for that aggression. I admit it did look very scummy and Auwt was the first one to call it out and present it to everyone in his words. He knows this is my first FM game but in his opinion I am a big scum. Just because I appeared to be pushing for lynch and that makes him think I am some evil trying to trick other new players into believing there is "trial". It is Day One though. So I am still going to take Auwt's aggression with a pinch of salt. I suggest the same for everyone. Now some comments on what have been said: This is not the first time you talking about mafia's odds and their perspective. It is Day One. We gather reads and information based on what people say and do through social interactions. We profile each player. You keep talking about power roles and from what I see; you stress so much about mafia's odds and power roles. that's just yikes Consider me NA these days SmugPepe Yeah, just as I start to think I misunderstood you, but then you going aggressive here makes me doubt it all. Still you are almost Town Investigative in many peoples eyes according to your posts and I will go with the flow here. Hey, I am not the lawyer of Zedus. Hell, I don't even trust the guy a single bit. But some of his posts pointed out some details to Martin's inconsistencies. Like, I believe his attention to detail and effort is good enough for me. If you think Zedus is scum because he joined the vote, then I don't know what to say about that. What is stopping you from voting me? Your latest posts have been focused on paving a road to lynch against me. I think this is metagaming and thats evil in my eyes. Still, we have a much more pressing matter here and people seem to turn a blind eye to it; This was posted at June 25th, 2020, 06:13 PM, slightly after I pushed for a "trial" on him in huge red letters. Then Auwt opened the can of worms at #154 After this point the attention turned to Zedus and me for reasons. But then Martin had a big change in mood and words. Joined the bandwagon eventually by mentioning the terrible duo "Zedus-Bakermir" in the following quotes from post #244 at June 26th, 2020, 12:14 AM Yes, half of my reads are null because it is Day One and I don't want to draw targets on people or manipulate. It was quite early into the game. This really got me; Like what the hell? Am I the only one that sees evil in Martin? HOw inaccurate and manipulative a read could be? Martin, please correct me. Nothing personal but I seriously don't see any good intent in you. Explain your logic on this because I seriously don't see why a townie would be paranoid on Day One. Well.. Hopefully we get to see more blunders and I might change my vote then. It is going good so far everyone. Thanks again for pointing out my mistake about "trial-lynch" others. But for now; Martin have been very inconsistent and most of his actions give away bad vibes to me. I am keeping my vote on him. :noose: I would like to know, Zedus how willing are you to vote Bakermir, and same question goes for Bakermir, how willing are you to vote Zedus? Explain more please, and also if you have to put someone as scum (except Martin), who would it be? And btw my post talking about each of you was done before the one's from Martin. Then Martin updated it in another way that fit more to mine. And thats why I was talking about "looking for powerless/power role" Ash, I do not want to see this kind of 50% nulling, this is heck scummy. I am still keeping an eye on Martin/Dallarian, as long we do not know your alignment, do not worry. I think it suited him that Auwt created the Zedus-Bakermir duo and some people bandwagon right away. Now I would suspect he is a townie trying to follow rest of the townies but then his comment on cleaning Grak doesn't sound well. Apparently my Grakylan town leaning isnt welcomed by much of you. Still, I'm only seeing Grakylan as a powerless townie that cant be much so he tries some stuff He also claimed being a bit busy which is understandable and can correctly fit to explain why he isnt posting that much. Although, if its possible I would really like to see him post more often and more decisive post. Aaargh, but Zedus and Martin can’t possibly *both* be scum. I dont believe either. And even more, in Zedus/Martin/Bakermir, there cannot be both scums. Yes, you understand more than the rest. The key is that I know my role and how I will use it. Interesting. Almost claiming a town killing then? Do not forget that Kidnapper is still a posibility. Why you think I need some defence from stupid random lynching d1? As I said, there is NO reason for town do this, and best results we can have is no 5 votes on anyone. I will even fucking unvote Martin if he will have 4, lol. This post doesnt show your mind set at all, you were first stubborn on Martin, ready to lynch him, whatever it would take. You even voted him in your second post for math thingy, gosh. When I see your previous posts and now I see this, something doesnt add up, for real. Presumption of innocence. There is no ANY reason to vote me at all. This is scum talking. Also we are the same team, looks like you forgot something. I will remind you. What? explanation please? Almost agree, but with remark. Lynching ANYONE WILL turn out really bad. We have to lynch someone, we cannot let the day pass. Actions have to be taken right now. If that is the case, then why did you vote for Martin and got him in the range of hammering? That's exactly what made you look evil and your claim means bullshit after that you realize it yeah? Because it is very specific claim. When I proposed the Bakermir/Zedus team, I wasnt expecting that comming. We clarified that between Zedus/Bakermir (and maybe Martin) there could be only one scum. This post then can be seen in 2 different ways : Bakermir knows he is town, and is willing to get Zedus down. OR Bakermir is scum, and will try to live as long as possible and push the target (Zedus) that is currently being voted. @Martin Townhe could be our greatest ally due to the stats and information given and statistics Scum he may have started to get our trust early on and a bit to confirm townies @Grakyln Townhe may possible be town but has been afk for some time I'm still unsure Scumor he may possible scum ducking very low Dallarian[/COLOR]Townhe may be town due to the reason of votes to get information out of people scumhe may be scum due to the fact he dint include himself but otherwise his fine Zedus Townhe may be town due to the fact he dint want any random lynches scumhe may be scum when he overreacted with Martin question Ash leai Townshe may be a great ally with a sharp analytical mind and information Scum with good deception and trust at the beginning Martin clarified her as town but I say we need more information for judgement Auwt Town he has nice theorys on the people who dont talk as much and have suspicion activitys scum he may be scum cause he was voted and gave some information to lower tension Renegade Townhe pays attention to people who arnt here and are too silentScumor his using silent people to get a quick lynch or draw suspicion somewhere else @Bakmir Townhas interesting information on people which can aid town Scum he could use deception in some information on page 1-3 was relatively useless posts - Stats/math wont solve the game, do not read this as a Martin town please. Your scum!Martin guess is possible. - Grakylan is apparently a bit busy, his spot is kinda shaky apparently from what ive seen from everyone. Already posted earlier on this. - For Dallarian, I fully agree with you Helltanis, he is a strong poster but with very small fails considering inclusivity (and yes Dallarian I saw your post about it) - Ash and I have different mindset, really mysterious for me, but also a strong poster and not affraid to push each of us. Both of your (town|scum)!Ash seem decent. - I wont analyse myself only thing I can say, is indeed I dont like when there is some tension going on (eh Zedus/Martin :D lets keep in mind its a game, I know some of you might be really into it but ... sigh ) - Considering Renegade, your observation is really interesting, I share it too, most importantly, he pays more attention to push everyone, almost like Ash. I have a reserved approach on Renegade, i have an idea of what he could be but nothing so certain atm. Anyway thats it, enjoy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 479] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 03:09 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok so what's your reasoning for grak being town? That I don’t think you’re scum partners with him, and I think you’re probably scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 480] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 03:16 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok, that is a pretty towny wallpost from Auwt there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 481] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 03:18 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alright, so I feel like Helltanis is scummier than Grak and Zedus is scummier than Martin at the moment. So I’d be open to lynching any of those four in any order but would prefer to start with Zedus or Helltanis. For thread health and less toxicity, Zedus is maybe the best choice for day 1. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 482] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 03:19 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Huh? I didn't discredit Zedus. Where did you get that from? Also, Zedus was on 3 votes. Martin and I didn't vote him up further. He could have been gone but I don't know if you noticed that. This post then can be seen in 2 different ways : Bakermir knows he is town, and is willing to get Zedus down. OR Bakermir is scum, and will try to live as long as possible and push the target (Zedus) that is currently being voted. I don't understad what are you trying to mean by this. It is like totally not whats going on right now and I can assure you both are false. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 483] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 03:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alright, so I feel like Helltanis is scummier than Grak and Zedus is scummier than Martin at the moment. So I’d be open to lynching any of those four in any order but would prefer to start with Zedus or Helltanis. For thread health and less toxicity, Zedus is maybe the best choice for day 1. Did you notice Helltanis vote on Grakylan isn't visible on Vote Count? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 484] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 03:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 First, I said check him OR me, and protect him OR me. Second, I told I will explain this after I will be confirmed. Or he will be. Not now. This is kinda town strat you don't know. If you are prot/invest, you can try it or ignore, up to you. 4. If town is smart and prots/invests follow my plan (oh, according for your croud-like actions it's low chance, but my hope will die last), we will probably have up to 4 confirmed townies next day. I will explain that after we get some info. As I have observed earlier, you are trying to control owour Town Power Roles's actions, which, as far as I know should be as secret as possible, to prevent mafia from using that info. I am kind of repeating my previous post, but if you know what result of night actions will be, you can easily manipulate town to lose it's potential. You are promising us much, so that we follow your plan, which may in fact lead us to nothing. And there’s possibility attention on D2 will turn toward someone else. You can’t expect Invest role to open claim early D2 only because they found no clue about you being Mafia. I believe, someone talking about intelligence all the time, should be aware of this. Openly confirming you would be risky. Well, Dallarian protecting him so hard, so he is more suspicious for me then even Martin, lol. If Martin is 99.9% scum, then am I 100%? Why are you voting Martin if I am more confirmed Mafia than him? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 485] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 03:29 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I wonder why Dallarian left a vote on someone and went afk for that long period of a time. At the same time he was like "oh no votes! hammering risk!". Also in some of his posts he pretty much revealed a power role. Thats really weird to me with that afk vote on zedus. Zedus could have been lynched already but somehow he is back to 1 vote. I am unsure how much time available I will have today. It is possible I may not come during End of Day, so I will not be able to vote. I wasn’t even sure if I would be able to write this post today. We agreed upon not lynching till End of Day, a lot of people didn’t vote or cancelled their vote in order to prevent hammering. I could safely assume Zedus wouldn’t be lynched during my absence. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 486] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 03:31 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Did you notice Helltanis vote on Grakylan isn't visible on Vote Count? No I did not. Hmmm. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 487] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 03:32 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am unsure how much time available I will have today. It is possible I may not come during End of Day, so I will not be able to vote. I wasn’t even sure if I would be able to write this post today. We agreed upon not lynching till End of Day, a lot of people didn’t vote or cancelled their vote in order to prevent hammering. I could safely assume Zedus wouldn’t be lynched during my absence. He was at 3 votes with others active. He was quite close to it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 488] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 03:40 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Did you notice Helltanis vote on Grakylan isn't visible on Vote Count? Does this actually mean anything though? Like, it seems like it’s either a glitch or a mechanical failure to vote properly by Helltanis - we’ve seen them struggle a fair bit with the voting system. I’m pretty sure Helltanis sincerely intended to vote Grakylan, so we can still draw conclusions that they are likely not aligned, even if the vote wasn’t actually valid. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 489] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 03:41 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Does this actually mean anything though? Like, it seems like it’s either a glitch or a mechanical failure to vote properly by Helltanis - we’ve seen them struggle a fair bit with the voting system. I’m pretty sure Helltanis sincerely intended to vote Grakylan, so we can still draw conclusions that they are likely not aligned, even if the vote wasn’t actually valid. Oh yeah, I was just confused about it. Because he clearly said Grakylan and typed vote in another post. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 490] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 03:42 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good night. I have no idea what I will be doing today (26 June) all the day. I may be active just as yesterday, or will be unable to contribute in significant way. I hope you will find something to agree on. I will leave you with one question. Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin? This question is begining of thought I wanted to develop. Is it worth using night actions on Zedus, if we can close this slot and focus our attention on less suspicious people? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 491] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 03:43 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This question is begining of thought I wanted to develop. Is it worth using night actions on Zedus, if we can close this slot and focus our attention on less suspicious people? I think it’s important to resolve the slot, but I’d rather do it with a lynch than a night action. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 492] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 03:45 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This question is begining of thought I wanted to develop. Is it worth using night actions on Zedus, if we can close this slot and focus our attention on less suspicious people? thats balls -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 493] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 03:49 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Huh? I didn't discredit Zedus. Where did you get that from? Also, Zedus was on 3 votes. Martin and I didn't vote him up further. He could have been gone but I don't know if you noticed that. I don't understad what are you trying to mean by this. It is like totally not whats going on right now and I can assure you both are false. Who do you prefer being lynch right now? Why are you switching from Martin to Zedus ? I mean I'm open minded as long as there is explanation -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 494] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 03:50 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Who do you prefer being lynch right now? Why are you switching from Martin to Zedus ? I mean I'm open minded as long as there is explanation I didn't switch from Martin to Zedus. I am trying to analyze everyone. Is this something bad? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 495] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 04:03 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Huh? I didn't discredit Zedus. Where did you get that from? Also, Zedus was on 3 votes. Martin and I didn't vote him up further. He could have been gone but I don't know if you noticed that. I don't understad what are you trying to mean by this. It is like totally not whats going on right now and I can assure you both are false. I used to put you on a same team with Zedus, then you began to be distant from him Hey, I am not the lawyer of Zedus. Hell, I don't even trust the guy a single bit. But some of his posts pointed out some details to Martin's inconsistencies. Like, I believe his attention to detail and effort is good enough for me. If you think Zedus is scum because he joined the vote, then I don't know what to say about that. If you are not discrediting him, you are at least trying to dismantle the possible team. In this case, you do not consider yourself to be in the same alignment as Zedus or? I am also in between. Voting on Zedus is reasonable because he did set focus on Martin and gave no input on other people like Auwt etc who is openly attacking Zedus. He is not attacking anyone else on Day One. It looks like you are trying to distance yourself more and more from Zedus. If you remember correctly, in #120, you put Zedus in town read because he was alongside with you What did happen in between? Zedus got a bit in trouble. And then well you put him in your possible vote list. I'm seeing this either as a very defensive town move or a survive as long as possible scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 496] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 04:05 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Dallarian what do you think about a vote on Martin (just asking). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 497] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 04:07 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I just want to make sure this protective possible scum Dalla isnt trying to redirect things from Martin to Zedus. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 498] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 04:11 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I used to put you on a same team with Zedus, then you began to be distant from him If you are not discrediting him, you are at least trying to dismantle the possible team. In this case, you do not consider yourself to be in the same alignment as Zedus or? It looks like you are trying to distance yourself more and more from Zedus. If you remember correctly, in #120, you put Zedus in town read because he was alongside with you What did happen in between? Zedus got a bit in trouble. And then well you put him in your possible vote list. I'm seeing this either as a very defensive town move or a survive as long as possible scum. My view on Zedus didn't change and thats another reason why I didn't vote him up. I think you misunderstood me on the whole Zedus problem. I did criticize his tone with people and his stupid reveal which puts him on a hotspot. He is a good mafia target and a liability for rest of us. My read didn't change on him as drastically as you make it sound. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 499] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 04:12 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I wouldn't gamble on Zedus. But if you find him too much toxic then I won't stop any of you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 500] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 04:14 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yes, first of all I have fun playing this game with you. Some my other thoughts. A bit brief and not supported by quotes. I hope I will be able to expand it. Expect it late D1, in my lw or early D2. Auwt is playing very accurate to the setup. He’s pushing people, but not in aggressive way. He knows we have time and can mislynch. He’s not forcing his will upon others. Also is aware others are watching him with great attention and are ready to follow him. His actions doesn’t appear to harm town in any way. He is very aware of the setup in my view, which is not aligment indicative. Looks like strong town, but can be anything. SJ is patroling streets, ensuring peace in the town and has ability to kill people. Obvious Vigilante to me. Martin is one big question mark. But he’s not Zedus’ Mafia friend. I would need to reread Renegate to establish my opinion upon him. Seems to be fine. Ash Lael has good beginning, later a few good questions. But that’s all. He seemed to be town, but now I am unsure. I still don’t trust bakermir, but he’s not Zedus’ Mafia friend as well. Helltanis “syndrome of headless chicken, townie running from vote to vote without idea what’s going on”, but he seems to genuinly have no idea what’s going on. I need to reread Grakylan. He is still suspicious for me. Could be “syndrome of headless chicken, townie running from vote to vote without idea what’s going on”. I believe I have written enough about Zedus already. Highly likely to be Mafia member. On bottom of the hell scum and rebel Dallarian. Never trust him. I suspect Zedus to be in team with Helltanis. Another possibility would be Auwt with Martin. They cooperate pretty well, don’t they? I need time I don’t have. I am aware these are a bit general, but this is how I “feel” players right now. I am busy now and may remain busy for idk how long. It may be difficult for me to follow conversation today. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 501] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 04:19 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Dallarian what do you think about a vote on Martin (just asking). He rushed his question too quickly. That could be indeed scum attempt to gather information. I had to protect him because it was right thing to do, as I have already mentioned long time ago. I don't trust him, but if Zeduk is Mafia, then Martin is townie. I would need more arguments than mentioned to vote Martin, however I am pretty sure there was something mentioned earlier, what was right point against Martin. But right now Zeduk is more Mafia than Martin is. I go, see you later. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 502] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 26th, 2020 04:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hey btw, I will be gone soon till late. I am not sure if I should leave a vote on someone. So far we got; Helltanis / Grakylan I think their participation was sketchy. With votes swinging around, no breadcrumbs, little input. They can't be on same team. Both are scumread to most of us. Voting one of them today would be the ideal start for town. Grakylan isn't here right now so I also don't want to use this to his disadvantage. Dallarian / Martin / Zedus I don't get good vibes from the Dallarian/Martin link. Martin's been very sketchy with some stuff but also refused to vote up Zedus. At the same time Zedus is living on "what if" and still pushing Martin. It feels like lynching someone from these 3 could either end up glorious or really shitty. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 503] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 05:32 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Lol, it's easy Next post: The funny thing that's then I pointed on that, Martins said And blah-blah-blah... I don't realy want to read the whole 20 pages again, but you following him most part of the game for no reason. Well, Dallarian protecting him so hard, so he is more suspicious for me then even Martin, lol. I voted Grak on post 153, Martino post about Grakylan that you quoted after was post 281. ?? ANd you don't find Grak's behavior suspicious at all? I guess any time two people come to the same conclusion they are sheep. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 504] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 05:34 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am under stress of this game, not my role. Autistic trains, random votes, voting d1 for no reason, incompetent players, trying to lead the town... This is not what I expected from the forum mafia, where there is a lot of time for thought. Players posting faster then they thinking... Well, maybe the first problem is that's there is a lot of new players, the second problem is most of them can't accept that. You are creating 50% of the problems and your own stress. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 505] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 05:42 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I'm back. I'm going to try and think things through a bit more thoroughly. Might take me awhile. For anyone interested, or didn't know how to, here's the links to everyone's ISO. Auwt https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080896 Ash Lael https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080897 Bakermir https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080898 Dallarian https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080899 Grakylan https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080900 Helltanis https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080903 MartinGG99 https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080913 Renegade https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080914 Zedus https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080915 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 506] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 05:44 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alright, so I feel like Helltanis is scummier than Grak and Zedus is scummier than Martin at the moment. So I’d be open to lynching any of those four in any order but would prefer to start with Zedus or Helltanis. For thread health and less toxicity, Zedus is maybe the best choice for day 1. Helltanis has my vote. Helltanis You pointed out the strange behavior around his Grak vote. I think Zedus is high off his own fumes. I'm still not convinced Grak is town. Reads: Town Ash Auwt Town Leaning Dallarian Martin Indeterminant Bakemir Zedus Scum Leaning Helltanis Grakylan The thing I am not sure about is that the team is Helltanis/Grakylan. I don't think that is the case actually. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 507] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 06:31 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, time to a lot of answers. After some time of rest from this long run, I trying to use one suggestion as basis. What if Martin is town, and me and Martin are both stupid enougth to make this game some kind of "duel" between us (lol, after 4 hours of rest whole topic realy looks like this!). And we shadowed real evils this way. They didn't care who to lynch and they are happy if one of us lynched and another one will be automaticaly susp for next day. Anyway whoever protect Martin this night isnt that smart. Martin is being scumread by almost half the people in here. Scum would obviously focus on someone not being voted/suspected/whatever you could think. If they do kill Martin, honestly it would relieve the game a lot cause all the people scumreading him would have to update their reads. No point on protecting nor killing Martin at night. Imagine mafia killing me or Martin with the same logic? I would like to know, Zedus how willing are you to vote Bakermir, and same question goes for Bakermir, how willing are you to vote Zedus? My point of view has not changed. We DO NOT NEED d1 lynch. Even Bakermir or Martin or someone else. All I see about Bakemir is that he is attentive player, much more attentive then the most of others. He remember what he said, what others did, he can use logic. If he is townie, he will be good to draw conclusions for town advantage. If he is evil, he is realy dangerous. But I have nothing to point on him as good or evil. Why should I vote him? Only "because I can"? No, thanks. Explain more please, and also if you have to put someone as scum (except Martin), who would it be? Later. Need to read more. What? explanation please? You realy need explanation? There is a quote in my post, where Martin with his "great" logic called me and Grakyln the same team. Grakyln asked "why shouldn't he vote me" and I answered "we are the same team, lol" with that quote. According with this inconsistent "logic" Bakermir is my team too, lol. Maybe someone else? I probably have the great team here :D When I proposed the Bakermir/Zedus team, I wasnt expecting that comming. We clarified that between Zedus/Bakermir (and maybe Martin) there could be only one scum. Brilliant example of that "great" logic. Only point you have to team us up is that we voted Martin at some time. Same as Grakyln did, lol. So everyone voted Martin once is evil and team by your "logic". 25 pages of topic, but this is the only thing you take from it? But you, Auwt, looks like good for me from now. Main reason: you trying to remove focus from this stupid duel and look around. Same way as Ash Lael continue to push this line: So... you don’t have an opinion on whether Zedus or Martin are scum? The pros and cons of those questions have been discussed extensively, I’m sure that you should be able to develop some sort of opinion on them. Alright, so I feel like Helltanis is scummier than Grak and Zedus is scummier than Martin at the moment. And so on. Well, if you need full list, that is it: Good guys: Auwt. His post (and some time of rest) realy make me look around. He playing for town advantage. Better let him lead this town. Renegade. Kinda puppet player from the start, passive following Martin for some reasons. But looks like he is awakening now. I see no evil intentions from him, olny inattention. Null guys: Bakemir. Can be both mafia and town, the only confirmed thing is that he is smart and attentive. Dallarian. Overprotecting Martin for no reason, but he is looking around, now I see. That can be both mafia or town strat. Martin. Yes, most suspicious person for me now here. After re-reading whole topic with a fresh mind he looks like just selfish player, who longs for attention and wants to lead the town, but incompetent for this. Still can be evil, but this "duel" makes me think we helping real evils with him. Ash Lael. "Zedus or Martin?" "Martin or Zedus?" "I think better vote Zedus then Martin". Hey, look around maybe? Susp guys: Grakylan. Check, how many times he changed his vote for 25 pages. Looks like he will be happy to lynch just some random target, that makes him suspicious. Helltanis. Foggy thoughts, suspicious post editing (well, he is not only one who edits post, I did that to with adding a bit more text and others did that, but he is only one who removed vote, not -unvote), and non-game related issues. Shady person. Also I Martin from this point. He must not lead the town, it will be disaster. But there is less reasons for me to lynch him after re-read. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 508] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 06:35 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Helltanis “syndrome of headless chicken, townie running from vote to vote without idea what’s going on”, but he seems to genuinly have no idea what’s going on. I need to reread Grakylan. He is still suspicious for me. Could be “syndrome of headless chicken, townie running from vote to vote without idea what’s going on”. I believe I have written enough about Zedus already. Highly likely to be Mafia member. I suspect Zedus to be in team with Helltanis. Another possibility would be Auwt with Martin. They cooperate pretty well, don’t they? You can thank Gyrlander for the expression "syndrome of headless chicken" :D Helltanis is kinda lost, but made good progress recently. Even though his edited post with a vote make him looks susp, I still do not know what to think of him. If we lynch Grakylan and then flips town, we would have made any progress because he would be still afk even alive. Lynching Grakylan right now wouldnt lead anywhere. You would kill a citizen, and all our hope would be into some possible invest/power luck/role. Lets ask this then : Zedus any thought on Helltanis? / Would you be ready to vote him? I do not like how Martin's ISO changed to be like mine to be honest. There is a world where he could be. I cant talk about myself so x_x ... Btw Dallarian its funny how you are using Auwt/Martin team comp, but you were the one defending him? uh? I wouldn't gamble on Zedus. But if you find him too much toxic then I won't stop any of you. So if we only need 1 more vote to get Zedus, you wouldnt vote him, right? Hey btw, I will be gone soon till late. I am not sure if I should leave a vote on someone. So far we got; Helltanis / Grakylan I think their participation was sketchy. With votes swinging around, no breadcrumbs, little input. They can't be on same team. Both are scumread to most of us. Voting one of them today would be the ideal start for town. Grakylan isn't here right now so I also don't want to use this to his disadvantage. Dallarian / Martin / Zedus I don't get good vibes from the Dallarian/Martin link. Martin's been very sketchy with some stuff but also refused to vote up Zedus. At the same time Zedus is living on "what if" and still pushing Martin. It feels like lynching someone from these 3 could either end up glorious or really shitty. I would say going on Helltanis/Grakylan is what you call a "gamble" because we dont know much from them. Helltanis has my vote. Helltanis You pointed out the strange behavior around his Grak vote. I think Zedus is high off his own fumes. I'm still not convinced Grak is town. Reads: Town Ash Auwt Town Leaning Dallarian Martin Indeterminant Bakemir Zedus Scum Leaning Helltanis Grakylan The thing I am not sure about is that the team is Helltanis/Grakylan. I don't think that is the case actually. I do not think either. If those were the two scums, they would be that low active TOGETHER. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 509] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 06:39 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Lets ask this then : Zedus any thought on Helltanis? / Would you be ready to vote him? Look above, dude -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 510] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 06:41 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Look above, dude It is likely you were both typing your posts at the same time.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 511] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 06:44 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 By the way now that I'm thinking of it, In case no mafia killing, Mafia's role CAN only kill if they sacrifice their role use. (they have a choice to make then) Just wanted to point out so everybody know. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 512] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 06:58 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I'm back. I'm going to try and think things through a bit more thoroughly. Might take me awhile. For anyone interested, or didn't know how to, here's the links to everyone's ISO. Auwt https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080896 Ash Lael https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080897 Bakermir https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080898 Dallarian https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080899 Grakylan https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080900 Helltanis https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080903 MartinGG99 https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080913 Renegade https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080914 Zedus https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3080915 Important note: It would appear these ISO's dont update with time, as they're thread (advanced) search results. For example, I was looking at Auwt's and noticed his recent post now doesn't show up in the ISO. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 513] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 07:12 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay, never mind. They don't seem to be working at all once you try to load them after a new post is made. This is annoying. >.<. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 514] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 07:22 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack What is the simplest way for us to ISO other players? In another game I played someone was able to create links for each player similar to what Marino was trying. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 515] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 07:53 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay, never mind. They don't seem to be working at all once you try to load them after a new post is made. This is annoying. >.<. Got two ISO's done so far. 6 more to go. I plan to release them in a post where each ISO is viewable via a Spoiler button, so it doesn't take up a whole lot of space and everyone can just see what they want to see. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 516] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 07:56 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Got two ISO's done so far. 6 more to go. I plan to release them in a post where each ISO is viewable via a Spoiler button, so it doesn't take up a whole lot of space and everyone can just see what they want to see. Before you do that let's see if SJ has a response. In the game Third Line Butterfly someone made links that did work and update and they were put in the initial post. Not saying you shouldn't do that, just that there may be a better solution once we hear from SJ. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 517] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 08:02 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus One, even most uwu post is not going to change my opinion about you right now. But atleast you stopped playing like Jester. That’s a nice change. How do you now, after your strategy change, consider things like: Calling any lynch D1 to be random lynch, and manipulating to make Martin appear to want random lynch? What is your answer to #484? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 518] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 08:03 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Before you do that let's see if SJ has a response. In the game Third Line Butterfly someone made links that did work and update and they were put in the initial post. Not saying you shouldn't do that, just that there may be a better solution once we hear from SJ. Oh I mean as in Im just re-doing the searches I used to create the ISO's. Im currently analyzing everyone's posting in isolation. So far I've gotten Auwt and Ash Lael's done. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 519] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 08:11 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt, you have observed I am being aggressive in the very begining of the game. Why you are not questioning me for my attacks on Zedus? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 520] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 08:20 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Calling any lynch D1 to be random lynch, and manipulating to make Martin appear to want random lynch? Nothing changed. Martin still lynch-happy suspicious person, who trying to lead town, but not allowed to. After re-read I still changed my opinion from "he is evil" to "he is incompetent and selfish". He still can be evil, but our "duel" is evil-benifit in any case. That's why I prefer to look around for now. What is your answer to #484? As for my plan, we don't need it if we removing focus from this "duel". As for you, you are 100% evil if Martin is evil, because only strong "teaming" in game is you and Martin. If we suggest Martin is ok, there is no reason to vote you for me. At this time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 521] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 26th, 2020 08:32 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack What is the simplest way for us to ISO other players? In another game I played someone was able to create links for each player similar to what Marino was trying. View the first post I made. Press post count and then the number correlation to the player. It then isolated all their posts. (We hopefully will be developing this feature soon to make it easier) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 522] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 08:35 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt, you have observed I am being aggressive in the very begining of the game. Why you are not questioning me for my attacks on Zedus? I was the one starting to put pressure on a possible Zedus/bakermir team. Questioning you about your attack on Zedus would discredit me af. I just think Zedus showed us some good townier vibes, I'm still waiting for his power role to be revealed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 523] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 08:46 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I need to reevaluate Zedus' position in the game. I keep my vote on him for earlier mentioned reason. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 524] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 08:57 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I need to reevaluate Zedus' position in the game. I keep my vote on him for earlier mentioned reason. I don't know if one decent contribution post is enough. But I think he is high off his own fumes and full of himself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 525] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 09:23 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack What's the vote count right now? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 526] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 09:26 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Nvm, found out theres a Vote Count button at the top. In this case... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 527] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 09:27 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 @Martin Townhe could be our greatest ally due to the stats and information given and statistics Scum he may have started to get our trust early on and a bit to confirm townies @Grakyln Townhe may possible be town but has been afk for some time I'm still unsure Scumor he may possible scum ducking very low Dallarian[/COLOR]Townhe may be town due to the reason of votes to get information out of people scumhe may be scum due to the fact he dint include himself but otherwise his fine Zedus Townhe may be town due to the fact he dint want any random lynches scumhe may be scum when he overreacted with Martin question Ash leai Townshe may be a great ally with a sharp analytical mind and information Scum with good deception and trust at the beginning Martin clarified her as town but I say we need more information for judgement Auwt Town he has nice theorys on the people who dont talk as much and have suspicion activitys scum he may be scum cause he was voted and gave some information to lower tension Renegade Townhe pays attention to people who arnt here and are too silentScumor his using silent people to get a quick lynch or draw suspicion somewhere else @Bakmir Townhas interesting information on people which can aid town Scum he could use deception in some information on page 1-3 was relatively useless posts Both sidesing everyone like a certain world leader that is divisive. But 45 min later he starts drawing at least two somewhat conclusive reads and then says everyone else is null. Scum lean @Bakmir still he reads and has little or no information as townie so his low value target for mafia or he is a scum Town lean Renegade he gets information out of people a town sign [COLOR="#008000"][/ this was 2am in the US west coast so idk if hes in EU or if he has a weird sleeping schedule. Even Ash has right to worry about him. So... you don’t have an opinion on whether Zedus or Martin are scum? The pros and cons of those questions have been discussed extensively, I’m sure that you should be able to develop some sort of opinion on them. And... if you don’t have a scum read on Martin, why did you try to vote him before? Ok now look at this! So. We have it here in black and white. You attempted to vote Martin. You edited your post (against the rules) to hide that attempted vote. And now you’re trying to claim it never happened. Please. Explain yourself. Because right now to me this looks damning. Refer to the edited posts here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=870084&viewfull=1#post870084 He edited out his vote for Martin to cover up his tracks. After being cornered by Ash, he throws an irrelevent question I want everyone to answer this question If you had 3 wishes what would you wish for I d wish for fame and reputation from my fellow comrades I d wish for corna to go away really impacts my future I d wish for a successful career as an accountant then next post says Ok so if I did try to vote Martin it must of been due to the 1fact I want to see how votes work otherwise I wanted to vote Graklyn that seems to be kind of a bs reason. I don't think Helltanis is the "headless chicken" he's trying to make himself out to be. Of course I know a headless chicken. He's me. So for the sake of being decisive, and cause I didn't see more than one person refer to Helltanis' fuck up in the last few pages... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 528] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 09:27 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Helltanis -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 529] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 09:27 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And I will be keeping track of our other suspects as the game goes on. Do we concur with voting Helltanis? Or are we still considering Zedus or someone else? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 530] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 09:32 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh jeeze, when you do ISO's sometimes you find stuff you somehow missed. For example, at #77 Also I believe I have learnt new phrase in English for that, "flip floping"? I am still unsure about it's meaning, would be happy if someone explained it to me. Dallarian Yes, "Flip flopping" is like bouncing between two sides; jumping from yes to no and no to yes; calling someone scum, then call them town, and call them scum again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 531] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 09:40 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh jeeze, when you do ISO's sometimes you find stuff you somehow missed. For example, at #77 Dallarian Yes, "Flip flopping" is like bouncing between two sides; jumping from yes to no and no to yes; calling someone scum, then call them town, and call them scum again. Yes and sorry for anyone else if someone uses a phrase that is new to you please ask or clarify the meaning, especially with english idioms. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 532] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 10:30 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I just realized. Grakylan litterally said this early in the game and Zedus didn't react at all to it. I guess I will do the same shit I do in the mod, random lynch to get info and shit And yet we had a whole circus just because Zedus though I was random lynching. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 533] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 10:31 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Theories on Zedus goofy behavior Axis 1 - Motivation 1. Aggressive player who wants to martyr himself for the sake of future "good" town gameplay, determined to teach us a lesson 2. Aggressive player who truly has no specific goal and is being as distracting as possible Axis 2 - Alignment A. Scum B. Town In 1A, this actually makes sense. I could see a scum response being "DON'T LYNCH ANYONE" after getting some heat. In 2A, if we do lynch a town, Zedus will use that to his advantage and could run the game with it, assuming all players give him "town cred" In 1B, a piss poor play, and harms the town regardless of the outcome. And 2B, I just can't even. Assuming Zedus does have a head on his shoulders, it makes more sense to me that he would argue for a no lynch, but have town still lynch and hope for a town flip, and then use that to his advantage to "lead" the town. This points to scum. I am fine with lynching Hellantis, just DO NOT GIVE ZEDUS ANY CREDIT tomorrow if Helly flips town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 534] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 10:32 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I just realized. Grakylan litterally said this early in the game and Zedus didn't react at all to it. And yet we had a whole circus just because Zedus though I was random lynching. Yup. Huge inconsistency in behavior here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 535] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 10:37 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Where are the EU folks? We have around 5.5 hours until EOD. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 536] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 10:46 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 For me, Helltanis edited message could be seen in 2 different ways : 1- As many of us look this as : Helltanis tried to vote Martin then edited to "cover up his track" as Grakylan said. 2- Helltanis tried to follow the wave and vote Martin, but then realized, It could be better for him to wait a mentor, therefore removed his vote. The second option seems fair to me. If anyone agree/disagree/have another option to add just tell it. And I really dont know, recent post from everyone show some expectation that Helltanis could flip townie. Some of my old reads I made in my ISO are trying to shift between scuminess and towniness. Will vote soon enough. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 537] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 10:46 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Where are the EU folks? We have around 5.5 hours until EOD. Reading, thinking over, preparing heavy cannons. We had productive discussion today. I would be probably pushing Helltanis right now, but I am focusing right now on someone else. Not to say that you should be posting as little as possible, you should always post when you feel like you have something important to say. The game culture currently swings into a lot of little micro posts which is incredibly tedious/annoying to keep up with. Think of your posts as very valuable, make them count. Don't fall into the trap of slinging low effort micro posts all the time because I believe it encourages bad habits. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 538] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 10:50 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I can finish the rest of my ISO reads in about an hour or hour and a half. Just two more people to go. Then i'll post here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 539] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 10:57 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Renegade any thought toward Martin? And also what do you think about Bakermir? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 540] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 11:12 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I haven't finished the ISO for Renegade, but based on what I saw on Helltanis and the fact that we have 2 votes on him, as compared to Grakylan, I felt it was important to post now. Here are my ISO analyses, they're only updated for posts up to post #505. This will be in alphabetical order (first to last: Awut, Ash Lael, Bakermir, Dallarian, Grakylan, Helltanis, Renegade) I wont be doing Zedus since his consistent tunneled attacks from mid day 1 of the Day 1 Phase on me makes bias against him rather impossible to avoid. I'm going to read ISO each as if I hadn't read their posts before, and I hope to gain insights that way. His opening at #85 was completely fine, in my opinion. I believe a lot of what goes on between him and Dallarian early on is just friendly rivalry or nitpicking on each other. At #96 he responds to Helltanis and tells him about mentors. At #154 is his first read wall post. I feel (regardless of the fact that he noted that I perceived by him as very town at the time) he makes some valuable points in that post that goes beyond the reads. If he was scum, why share all those facts? Why not just stop at the reads? And, honestly, he does defend me quite a fair bit here, it would seem. Soon after at #156, he says this: I am hard defending Martin because he doesnt look scum to me at all, the scum attack on him wasnt properly organised, some vote were thrown like : why not lol? I wonder if his opinion still holds up for this? I'm not going to comment if this is towny since obviously I would be potentially biased in saying so. Other townies will have to make that determination for me. At #218 Auwt followed up with Helltanis's point where Dallarian said "may the town win" and didn't include himself in that. I feel like thats more of a mistake originating from having English as a second language; don't forget he's active around Europe's time. That doesn't mean he's from the United Kingdom and knows english like from the back of his hand (though he does show quite some understanding of english). And considering Auwt seems know Dallarian prior to this game, it bothers me that Auwt follows up with the Helltanis point. At #222 Auwt insinuates that the votes on me for my SoD question feel like a random lynch. Roughly the same time he starts to butt heads with Ash Lael over difference of opinion over my question. At #257 is when he actually makes the first suggestion that goes against me, where he says he believes the only 2 possible scum combinations at that time are Zedus/bakermir and Dallarian/Martin. He then goes off for the day. He returns at #478, with a wall post. He explains and argues that it wouldn't be wise to kill or protect me tonight since quite clearly I'm a controversial figure within the game. He the colorizes his responses to Bakermir's big post and return since SoD1. He also states that (if I understand it correctly, I'm sorry if I don't) Bakermir having 50% null reads is evidence of why the question at start was needed, and therefore anything against it is scummy. He also responds to Bakermir saying that he's keeping an eye on me. (Hi Auwt!) He then states that he feels Grakylan is a powerless townie, since he has mentioned he was busy, but would very much like to see more from him if its possible. Auwt then proceeds to respond to several Zedus posts, and points out problems with them. He also explains that its possible that there may only be one scum in Bakermir/Zedus/Martin, or that Bakermir could be distancing if hes scum with Zedus (as he iterates that in the following posts) Conclusion: Unless Auwt is playing at a high level as scum, I doubt he is scum. Therefore, he's town. He has made contributions to the game that would seem unecessary for scum to do, especially in a mostly-noob game. I like his opening for the sake that it does make him look town to me, but even if the question was hazardous, i still felt like it was worth something in terms of starting conversation/discussion. I just wish I didn't have to release the information about the question. It would've been harmless if everyone answered what power role they would've wished for. A player's answer to that would've been no different if they were a TPR, Citizen, or Scum if they had all answered it. It wouldn't have been power role indicative of anyone. However, we're way past that now so its mostly irrelevant to talk about now for the time being, unless we suspect Ash was scum. I do appreciate that he's the first to post his reads (after me) in the game. I really do. Its one of the best ways to help start discussion, and I continued discussion by stating my response and feelings to the read. He then later on also seems to fairly weigh the perceived chance that I am inexperienced (smart?) town, or just smart evil. I don't think he has ever been tunneling on me though, as in the coming posts he does another read and also occasionally questions other players. Over the course of his next posts, he continues to have problems with people answering my question, and then butts heads with Auwt for about 2 posts. As much as I might disagree with him, its clear he's consistent in what he thinks and thought. Its not like he was scum and questioned me to look town only to discard that once that was done. No, instead he held onto those thoughts. Upon reflection on this, i think I should've kept him as town locked on my last read. Only way to see this as scum is if he was a Scum who planned to get me lynched,and right now he's just waiting for the right moments. But I don't feel that's accurate. Then we get derailed by Zedus. I don't think I need to comment on this, after all Zedus was insulting everyone at times when he ascertained and/or implied intellectual superiority. He then gets tangled in my poorly worded explanation of the psychological effects of knowing who's who as a mafia, while not knowing who's who as a townie. Sorry for all the trouble im giving you Ash. I don't mean to agonize you lol. At #449, Ash starts suspecting Helltanis because of his recent posts, namely his reads list that seems to conflict with the situation day 1 (I.e. whether I or Zedus is scum or town) and the fact that he originally tried to vote me in an edited post. And since he vote Grakylan, Ash says this is the best argument for Grakylan being town. At the moment, he feels if he were to lynch anyone it would be Helltanis, Zedus, Grakylan, and Martin. But he would prefer to start with Zedus. Conclusion: While there are some things about him that can be argued to be scummy, I feel that he really holds onto his reads and ideas, while still being flexible to new ones. Probably a much better town than I, and this whole game has been a learning experience for me, especially since I've had 0 games until now. Definitely town. Bakermir enters the game, swiftly voting me. When asked by Ash as to why he voted, Bakemir just leaves it at this: I feel like I want to know why did he start talking about coroner, town power out of nothing. Well yeah sure. People will wake up, see what you wrote and you will be up there eventually. I felt that was a very lacking answer, and stated that to him. He should've explained why what I wrote was bad. In response, he puts this: The way you started talking about being a coroner and random lynching was quite odd. I dislike it when people discuss roles like that. But then I casually voted you up. I just wanted to hear more from you. It felt like you wanted to tell us more about power roles. At this point; you began lobbying for support from other two people in the conversation and started giving excuses about a possible misunderstanding. As more people realized the purpose of voting you up; you continue to be very defensive and even to a point where you call someone a scum because they didn't explain in depth why they voted you up. Im honestly not sure if im just judging him too harshly, considering this is a mostly noob game (myself included as a noob), or not. But i felt compared to how much Ash was questioning me, it felt like Bakermir could've gave a better initial explanation before the one above since voting to lynch (Well, trial, as he percieved it) is still a serious thing, even in the mod -Mafia-. Opportunistic? I don't know. I might be too biased for this section of the thread, and i hope other townies can make this judgement for me. At #120 his reads are made but i thought they were fairly basic, since they were based purely on whether someone is against or for me. He doesn't return until #247, and posts at #298. So I was away for a while and damn this is so hard to read every post and try to stay active in the game by giving input. Now I just wanted to go with the flow you know, check the latest posts and write something off but hey, here I am trying to leave a comment on every post been made past 12+ hours I have been missing. Now, I think I would normally call this scummy, but I think this is a rather reasonable rationale for a noob to follow. Problem is, so can a noob scum. Also, as I stated before in this thread, he mentions giving Auwt a pinch of salt for his agression, but he doesn't seem to give any sort of similar treatment for my early plays. I don't know if this is tunneling, or just acting scummy. Credit is where credit is due, he does catch me in a later post being inconsistent with my stated reads with regards to Grakylan. As I've explained later on in the thread, I realized that I tunneled thinking that Grak must be townie just because of a post I saw in a champs game, while completely missing that it took four minutes for Grakylan to think of his reads. I have issue with this: I think it suited him that Auwt created the Zedus-Bakermir duo and some people bandwagon right away. Now I would suspect he is a townie trying to follow rest of the townies but then his comment on cleaning Grak doesn't sound well. The problem i have with this is that when Auwt created that duo, he also created the Martin/Dallarian duo in the same post. This is just misleading. His #319 post about a "selfish" read is something I don't understand. How can reads be selfish? After #325 he starts inquiring about and interacting Zedus, along with Helltanis. I don't really see any problems unless Bakermir is scum here, which would implicate Zedus. The way I see it, it is as he says at #494 that he's trying to analyze everyone. Or at least the relevant people. Conclusion: He certainly could be town, given the circumstances of this game. But do I feel that way? Im not sure. There's definitely decent arguments as to why he may not be scum. Null read. His opening is friendly, and votes Auwt. I think considering certain posts by him and Auwt, it would seem they merely have a friendly rivalry. At #77 he starts defending me in the sense that he doesn't want an early lynch, and warns against the L-2 vote count, due to having 2 mafias.Keep in mind he wrote this only 8 hours in to a 48 hour day phase. Honestly, he gives me funky vibes and is sort of carefree. His messages, at least the early ones, can be easily be perceived mistakenly. Anyways, through his suggestion, I believe it can be obvious that he voted on Auwt for friendly reasons, but once Grakylan voted, Dallarian got information he wanted (which is Grak followed his vote without considering the basis for it). In response to Ash's facepalms about people answering my opening question, he typed this: He have set up conversation and let us to the point where you can put some conclusions. I appreciate that. I don't think it needs any comment or explanation. Lean town read, but my read will be subject to what he does later on (I.e. votes me anyways or if his reasoning for defending me changes or ect.). He later states this: I am refering to my post #76 where I quoted, that Martin lied about amount of people needed to lynch someone. Martin's post is somewhere between page 2 and 3. I answered this later, but I believe he misinterpreted me. It was 4 votes, and then a hammer vote, that is needed to lynch someone. At #138, he clearly outlines why he defended me, and how that was regardless of my alignment. I do lean on town read for this. #157 are his first reads. He makes a paragraph about me, and says im very suspicious, supposedly because I was afraid of there being a different topic? hmm? I was stating the question so we could all have discussion. Having another topic would have been fine so long as it yielded information. But in a mostly noob game I felt like I had to take the lead and risk here by doing a question first, despite how easy it might be for scum to attack me for it. I have no other issues with this post though. I can't see any scummy part to it other than he doesn't seem have a progression of that suspicion that I am scummy. At #201 he mentions English as a second language. #218 is a bit interesting, upon reflection: I dislike the OwO! fact, how as a highly suspicious person you are telling our Town Investigative roles what to do. As if you were trying to control few night actions we have. If you were Mafia who is aware of Martin's aligment, if Martin is checked tonight (specially after Auwt suggested Martin may be Citizen) you can be sure that Invest roles will waste their night action on him, weakening the town tommorow. What are your exact reasons to maintain your vote on Martin right now? It would appear at first he's defending me, but it seems like he's actually just accusing Zedus of being more scummy than me/others. He continues on this at #237 by stating more players voted (me) Martin up and faster than players who are voting Zedus. Here, at #437, he seems to have completely dropped the "Martin is suspicious" idea. In the following posts, he defends me and himself against Zedus. At #500, he posts his updated reads. I agree with most of it, except for the read that Ash Lael is null. But for some reason he suggests an Auwt / Martin scum combo? He says we cooperate well together. But how can that be when Auwt made a post suggesting a Dallarian/Martin team? Is this related to their rivalry, or alignment indicative, or simply townie paranoia? I don't know. His reads may be a bit hedge-y, but as he's warned multiple times, he's short of time as of late. At least he contributes more than Grakylan and Helltanis, in my opinion. Conclusion: For what it's worth, I might town-lean this one if I were to compare him to other ISO's. Otherwise, he's a bit null for me. But considering that I don't really have any good ideas as to who he could be teamed with, other than Grak possibly (for the voting earlier), i have to say town lean here. I guess I will do the same shit I do in the mod, random lynch to get info and shit Warning bells, anyone? Especially considering that Zedus didn't react to this at all? At #74 he starts attacking me for my responses to Ash's question, namely the one about what brought me to FM. He attacks me for mentioning my depression of which quite clearly has to relation to the game??? I mean, i could've denied giving Ash an answer but I did because I didn't see any reason not to. If it were up to me, I'd say he didn't seem to have a clear-cut understanding of the situation here, nor the arguments Not to mention Dallarian trying to rando someone (mr. Auwt) who "isn't here" at all. Haven't seen a post from him so I could kinda understand wanting to force him to talk... Maybe just wait a few more hours to see if he speaks up? He could just be busy like I was. This is the last post he made before his first disappearance. That second line suggests he had the time or was going to be active for the next few hours, in my opinion. All he had to say was that he was busy. But then he adds this later on: how many times do I gotta bring up the fact I live in AZ? My sleep schedule is just fucked up due to quarantine. #219 is a post with reads, that was made within four minutes of his last post. Looks like he might be trying to bus his teammate, based on the read and if Grak + Zedus is scum. Oh hey look Grak is here as im typing up this ISO read list. Conclusion: Very suspicious. I still can barely believe I tunneled this guy as town over a reads list. If Zedus is scum, or Grak is, I wont be surprised if the other is too. His introduction seems to suggest he's new to the idea of Mafia. As in, he's not from the mod. He asked if "we all have 1 life from bad guy attacks" and etc. Unless he was suggesting Citizens can have vest or not, which in this case might be him unknowingly soft claiming citizen. At #190 he initally tries to vote me, but then edits it to Grakylan. Based on his mentioning of being "summoned", i suspect he's related to Dallarian in some way, at least outside of this game. Even mentions Dallarian in his next post, and jokes if he felt suspicious yet. I think he might be an honest new player making the best effort he can to contribute. His first reads at #438 are presented in a unique way, showing scum and town arguments. Why would a scum do this when they could've made reads like everyone else and try to blend in? He's also asking if there's questions for him at #444. At #446 he makes reads just like the rest of players do, but he doesn't seem certain of whether to town lean or scum lean people. A lot of Null. Conclusion: I honestly believe here that Helltanis is the powerless townie, as Auwt put Grakylan as. It just matches with so many of his posts that he's not familiar with Mafia. He also tries to contribute more than Grakylan, is responsive. At #181 I mentioned him to ask for his thoughts, and he quickly responded. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 541] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 11:13 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Case in short: I feel Helltanis may be completely innocent. This is mostly feel though, there isn't definitive evidence. But then again other than that one vote, there's not much incriminating about him -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 542] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 11:18 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Case in short: I feel Helltanis may be completely innocent. This is mostly feel though, there isn't definitive evidence. But then again other than that one vote, there's not much incriminating about him Which seems more likely to you, this is a genuine question not a gotcha: Based on Hellatlantis so far, is he playing the powerless townie game or the lay low scum game? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 543] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 11:19 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Renegade any thought toward Martin? And also what do you think about Bakermir? I think Martin has been genuine and after some early stumbles is being helpful for town. Bakemire is the person I have the least of a read on. I will get back to you on this point I promise. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 544] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 11:22 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Which seems more likely to you, this is a genuine question not a gotcha: Based on Hellatlantis so far, is he playing the powerless townie game or the lay low scum game? I think for me the question is whether Grak is playing the lay low scum game or Helltanis is. Honestly, I sympathize with Helltanis being overwhelmed (hence the initial lack of posting) if he didn't know much about Mafia, which his early posts suggest. I think the vote was a test, and he didn't want to look bad once he had tested it. Unfortunately for him, there was no delete button. Only an edit button and so he changed it to a person he saw a suspicious. You know, the person who endorsed random lynching as part of his introduction. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 545] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 11:23 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I think for me the question is whether Grak is playing the lay low scum game or Helltanis is. Honestly, I sympathize with Helltanis being overwhelmed (hence the initial lack of posting) if he didn't know much about Mafia, which his early posts suggest. I think the vote was a test, and he didn't want to look bad once he had tested it. Unfortunately for him, there was no delete button. Only an edit button and so he changed it to a person he saw a suspicious. You know, the person who endorsed random lynching as part of his introduction. So, yes. I think Helltanis is being a powerless townie. Not by choice, though. Dallarian summoned him probably from another game or off the interweebs. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 546] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 11:25 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Helltanis Work on your style please. Your posts are difficult to read, have many errors and are short. Try to think more about the case, but a few posts together and read them before you post it, remove errors. You're still harder to read than SJ. I start thinking Hellstorm is being pushed for his bad style and being easy pray. I suspect Zedus to be in team with Helltanis. I find no reason for such claim now. I find no connection between them. The thought was based on both's suspicious behaviour and Helltanis' trying to put attention on Martin, which isn't probably true. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 547] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 11:26 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh, and by the way, Grakylan Is voting Helltanis. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 548] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 11:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grakylan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 549] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 11:32 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Renegade any thought toward Martin? And also what do you think about Bakermir? I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll answer anyway. Whenever I contemplate a town Martin world the one thing that sticks in my craw the most is how his own play so perfectly matched what he described to be scum play. For most players I wouldn’t obsess over that. Townies say self-incriminating or thoughtless things all the time, because they aren’t self-aware. They don’t obsess over the way they post or think about how it looks the way scum do. But Martin is self-aware. He’s said it himself, and more importantly, he’s showed it repeatedly. It’s really hard for me to buy that this guy who obsesses over himself and how he comes across (but only because he’s anxious and egotistical! Honest!) just goes and matches what he describes as a scummy playstyle rather than a towny playstyle unless he’s actually experiencing the same pressures and drives that he says create that scummy play. But then, I think Zedus is scum and I don’t think they’re together, so I guess I have to buy Martin as town? But very very reluctantly. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 550] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 11:36 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And Grakylan’s recent push on Hellstatis could of course be townie - his case is basically the same as my case. But it could also be a self-preservation motivated scum who thinks his best chance is pushing the person many see as a direct alternative to him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 551] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 11:40 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Unfortunately for him, there was no delete button. Only an edit button and so he changed it to a person he saw a suspicious. You know, the person who endorsed random lynching as part of his introduction. Yeah, nice theorycrafting, but it isn’t true. Hellstatis didn’t edit his vote on you to a vote on Grak. He edited it away to a “I’ll wait for a mentor” post and voted Grak quite a while later. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 552] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 11:42 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Nvm, found out theres a Vote Count button at the top. In this case... Dude, the rule against editing posts could not have been made clearer. What exactly did this post say before you changed it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 553] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 11:43 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And Grakylan’s recent push on Hellstatis could of course be townie - his case is basically the same as my case. But it could also be a self-preservation motivated scum who thinks his best chance is pushing the person many see as a direct alternative to him. Well, there is a possiblity that Helltanis is scum. I think it comes down to a difference in perspective. A few of the things he has done could be naturally done even if he were a noob scum who was new to mafia. But those two different read attempts kinda rubs me on the side of town. For scum noobs, it may be simple and just try their best to copy everyone else (even their reads). Here, he's being a bit of a standout like Grakylan. Additionally, Grakylan says Helltanis is a headless chicken, like him. Okay. Then based on that they are both new to FM, who's more scummy? I feel Grakylan would be. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 554] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 11:45 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll answer anyway. Whenever I contemplate a town Martin world the one thing that sticks in my craw the most is how his own play so perfectly matched what he described to be scum play. For most players I wouldn’t obsess over that. Townies say self-incriminating or thoughtless things all the time, because they aren’t self-aware. They don’t obsess over the way they post or think about how it looks the way scum do. But Martin is self-aware. He’s said it himself, and more importantly, he’s showed it repeatedly. It’s really hard for me to buy that this guy who obsesses over himself and how he comes across (but only because he’s anxious and egotistical! Honest!) just goes and matches what he describes as a scummy playstyle rather than a towny playstyle unless he’s actually experiencing the same pressures and drives that he says create that scummy play. But then, I think Zedus is scum and I don’t think they’re together, so I guess I have to buy Martin as town? But very very reluctantly. Every answer from any of you is very welcome, so thanks. I also believe Martin put so much effort toward the game and his last full ISO was really relevant and very close to my actual thoughts. I wouldnt vote for Zedus right now, he should survive the night. If he does so, we should really push him for his role since apparently he claimed being power. Atm I'm more between Grakylan and Zedus being the scum, will see later. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 555] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 11:45 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But those two different read attempts kinda rubs me on the side of town. For scum noobs, it may be simple and just try their best to copy everyone else (even their reads). Here, he's being a bit of a standout like Grakylan. Well, i mean I feel these are more authentic than Grakylan's attempts for the town in light of the fact that he seems new to Mafia. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 556] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 11:47 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Dude, the rule against editing posts could not have been made clearer. What exactly did this post say before you changed it? I believe green color was added, need confirmation. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 557] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 11:48 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grakylan (1 [L-4]): MartinGG99 Zedus (1 [L-4]): Dallarian Helltanis (2 [L-3]): Grakylan, Renegade -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 558] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 11:49 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah, nice theorycrafting, but it isn’t true. Hellstatis didn’t edit his vote on you to a vote on Grak. He edited it away to a “I’ll wait for a mentor” post and voted Grak quite a while later. Ah. I misremembered SJ's post. You're right. It was the mentor message. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 559] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 11:52 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I haven't finished the ISO for Renegade, but based on what I saw on Helltanis and the fact that we have 2 votes on him, as compared to Grakylan, I felt it was important to post now. Here are my ISO analyses, they're only updated for posts up to post #505. This will be in alphabetical order (first to last: Awut, Ash Lael, Bakermir, Dallarian, Grakylan, Helltanis, Renegade) I wont be doing Zedus since his consistent tunneled attacks from mid day 1 of the Day 1 Phase on me makes bias against him rather impossible to avoid. I'm going to read ISO each as if I hadn't read their posts before, and I hope to gain insights that way. His opening at #85 was completely fine, in my opinion. I believe a lot of what goes on between him and Dallarian early on is just friendly rivalry or nitpicking on each other. At #96 he responds to Helltanis and tells him about mentors. At #154 is his first read wall post. I feel (regardless of the fact that he noted that I perceived by him as very town at the time) he makes some valuable points in that post that goes beyond the reads. If he was scum, why share all those facts? Why not just stop at the reads? And, honestly, he does defend me quite a fair bit here, it would seem. Soon after at #156, he says this: I wonder if his opinion still holds up for this? I'm not going to comment if this is towny since obviously I would be potentially biased in saying so. Other townies will have to make that determination for me. At #218 Auwt followed up with Helltanis's point where Dallarian said "may the town win" and didn't include himself in that. I feel like thats more of a mistake originating from having English as a second language; don't forget he's active around Europe's time. That doesn't mean he's from the United Kingdom and knows english like from the back of his hand (though he does show quite some understanding of english). And considering Auwt seems know Dallarian prior to this game, it bothers me that Auwt follows up with the Helltanis point. At #222 Auwt insinuates that the votes on me for my SoD question feel like a random lynch. Roughly the same time he starts to butt heads with Ash Lael over difference of opinion over my question. At #257 is when he actually makes the first suggestion that goes against me, where he says he believes the only 2 possible scum combinations at that time are Zedus/bakermir and Dallarian/Martin. He then goes off for the day. He returns at #478, with a wall post. He explains and argues that it wouldn't be wise to kill or protect me tonight since quite clearly I'm a controversial figure within the game. He the colorizes his responses to Bakermir's big post and return since SoD1. He also states that (if I understand it correctly, I'm sorry if I don't) Bakermir having 50% null reads is evidence of why the question at start was needed, and therefore anything against it is scummy. He also responds to Bakermir saying that he's keeping an eye on me. (Hi Auwt!) He then states that he feels Grakylan is a powerless townie, since he has mentioned he was busy, but would very much like to see more from him if its possible. Auwt then proceeds to respond to several Zedus posts, and points out problems with them. He also explains that its possible that there may only be one scum in Bakermir/Zedus/Martin, or that Bakermir could be distancing if hes scum with Zedus (as he iterates that in the following posts) Conclusion: Unless Auwt is playing at a high level as scum, I doubt he is scum. Therefore, he's town. He has made contributions to the game that would seem unecessary for scum to do, especially in a mostly-noob game. I like his opening for the sake that it does make him look town to me, but even if the question was hazardous, i still felt like it was worth something in terms of starting conversation/discussion. I just wish I didn't have to release the information about the question. It would've been harmless if everyone answered what power role they would've wished for. A player's answer to that would've been no different if they were a TPR, Citizen, or Scum if they had all answered it. It wouldn't have been power role indicative of anyone. However, we're way past that now so its mostly irrelevant to talk about now for the time being, unless we suspect Ash was scum. I do appreciate that he's the first to post his reads (after me) in the game. I really do. Its one of the best ways to help start discussion, and I continued discussion by stating my response and feelings to the read. He then later on also seems to fairly weigh the perceived chance that I am inexperienced (smart?) town, or just smart evil. I don't think he has ever been tunneling on me though, as in the coming posts he does another read and also occasionally questions other players. Over the course of his next posts, he continues to have problems with people answering my question, and then butts heads with Auwt for about 2 posts. As much as I might disagree with him, its clear he's consistent in what he thinks and thought. Its not like he was scum and questioned me to look town only to discard that once that was done. No, instead he held onto those thoughts. Upon reflection on this, i think I should've kept him as town locked on my last read. Only way to see this as scum is if he was a Scum who planned to get me lynched,and right now he's just waiting for the right moments. But I don't feel that's accurate. Then we get derailed by Zedus. I don't think I need to comment on this, after all Zedus was insulting everyone at times when he ascertained and/or implied intellectual superiority. He then gets tangled in my poorly worded explanation of the psychological effects of knowing who's who as a mafia, while not knowing who's who as a townie. Sorry for all the trouble im giving you Ash. I don't mean to agonize you lol. At #449, Ash starts suspecting Helltanis because of his recent posts, namely his reads list that seems to conflict with the situation day 1 (I.e. whether I or Zedus is scum or town) and the fact that he originally tried to vote me in an edited post. And since he vote Grakylan, Ash says this is the best argument for Grakylan being town. At the moment, he feels if he were to lynch anyone it would be Helltanis, Zedus, Grakylan, and Martin. But he would prefer to start with Zedus. Conclusion: While there are some things about him that can be argued to be scummy, I feel that he really holds onto his reads and ideas, while still being flexible to new ones. Probably a much better town than I, and this whole game has been a learning experience for me, especially since I've had 0 games until now. Definitely town. Bakermir enters the game, swiftly voting me. When asked by Ash as to why he voted, Bakemir just leaves it at this: I felt that was a very lacking answer, and stated that to him. He should've explained why what I wrote was bad. In response, he puts this: Im honestly not sure if im just judging him too harshly, considering this is a mostly noob game (myself included as a noob), or not. But i felt compared to how much Ash was questioning me, it felt like Bakermir could've gave a better initial explanation before the one above since voting to lynch (Well, trial, as he percieved it) is still a serious thing, even in the mod -Mafia-. Opportunistic? I don't know. I might be too biased for this section of the thread, and i hope other townies can make this judgement for me. At #120 his reads are made but i thought they were fairly basic, since they were based purely on whether someone is against or for me. He doesn't return until #247, and posts at #298. Now, I think I would normally call this scummy, but I think this is a rather reasonable rationale for a noob to follow. Problem is, so can a noob scum. Also, as I stated before in this thread, he mentions giving Auwt a pinch of salt for his agression, but he doesn't seem to give any sort of similar treatment for my early plays. I don't know if this is tunneling, or just acting scummy. Credit is where credit is due, he does catch me in a later post being inconsistent with my stated reads with regards to Grakylan. As I've explained later on in the thread, I realized that I tunneled thinking that Grak must be townie just because of a post I saw in a champs game, while completely missing that it took four minutes for Grakylan to think of his reads. I have issue with this: The problem i have with this is that when Auwt created that duo, he also created the Martin/Dallarian duo in the same post. This is just misleading. His #319 post about a "selfish" read is something I don't understand. How can reads be selfish? After #325 he starts inquiring about and interacting Zedus, along with Helltanis. I don't really see any problems unless Bakermir is scum here, which would implicate Zedus. The way I see it, it is as he says at #494 that he's trying to analyze everyone. Or at least the relevant people. Conclusion: He certainly could be town, given the circumstances of this game. But do I feel that way? Im not sure. There's definitely decent arguments as to why he may not be scum. Null read. His opening is friendly, and votes Auwt. I think considering certain posts by him and Auwt, it would seem they merely have a friendly rivalry. At #77 he starts defending me in the sense that he doesn't want an early lynch, and warns against the L-2 vote count, due to having 2 mafias.Keep in mind he wrote this only 8 hours in to a 48 hour day phase. Honestly, he gives me funky vibes and is sort of carefree. His messages, at least the early ones, can be easily be perceived mistakenly. Anyways, through his suggestion, I believe it can be obvious that he voted on Auwt for friendly reasons, but once Grakylan voted, Dallarian got information he wanted (which is Grak followed his vote without considering the basis for it). In response to Ash's facepalms about people answering my opening question, he typed this: I don't think it needs any comment or explanation. Lean town read, but my read will be subject to what he does later on (I.e. votes me anyways or if his reasoning for defending me changes or ect.). He later states this: I answered this later, but I believe he misinterpreted me. It was 4 votes, and then a hammer vote, that is needed to lynch someone. At #138, he clearly outlines why he defended me, and how that was regardless of my alignment. I do lean on town read for this. #157 are his first reads. He makes a paragraph about me, and says im very suspicious, supposedly because I was afraid of there being a different topic? hmm? I was stating the question so we could all have discussion. Having another topic would have been fine so long as it yielded information. But in a mostly noob game I felt like I had to take the lead and risk here by doing a question first, despite how easy it might be for scum to attack me for it. I have no other issues with this post though. I can't see any scummy part to it other than he doesn't seem have a progression of that suspicion that I am scummy. At #201 he mentions English as a second language. #218 is a bit interesting, upon reflection: It would appear at first he's defending me, but it seems like he's actually just accusing Zedus of being more scummy than me/others. He continues on this at #237 by stating more players voted (me) Martin up and faster than players who are voting Zedus. Here, at #437, he seems to have completely dropped the "Martin is suspicious" idea. In the following posts, he defends me and himself against Zedus. At #500, he posts his updated reads. I agree with most of it, except for the read that Ash Lael is null. But for some reason he suggests an Auwt / Martin scum combo? He says we cooperate well together. But how can that be when Auwt made a post suggesting a Dallarian/Martin team? Is this related to their rivalry, or alignment indicative, or simply townie paranoia? I don't know. His reads may be a bit hedge-y, but as he's warned multiple times, he's short of time as of late. At least he contributes more than Grakylan and Helltanis, in my opinion. Conclusion: For what it's worth, I might town-lean this one if I were to compare him to other ISO's. Otherwise, he's a bit null for me. But considering that I don't really have any good ideas as to who he could be teamed with, other than Grak possibly (for the voting earlier), i have to say town lean here. Warning bells, anyone? Especially considering that Zedus didn't react to this at all? At #74 he starts attacking me for my responses to Ash's question, namely the one about what brought me to FM. He attacks me for mentioning my depression of which quite clearly has to relation to the game??? I mean, i could've denied giving Ash an answer but I did because I didn't see any reason not to. If it were up to me, I'd say he didn't seem to have a clear-cut understanding of the situation here, nor the arguments This is the last post he made before his first disappearance. That second line suggests he had the time or was going to be active for the next few hours, in my opinion. All he had to say was that he was busy. But then he adds this later on: #219 is a post with reads, that was made within four minutes of his last post. Looks like he might be trying to bus his teammate, based on the read and if Grak + Zedus is scum. Oh hey look Grak is here as im typing up this ISO read list. Conclusion: Very suspicious. I still can barely believe I tunneled this guy as town over a reads list. If Zedus is scum, or Grak is, I wont be surprised if the other is too. His introduction seems to suggest he's new to the idea of Mafia. As in, he's not from the mod. He asked if "we all have 1 life from bad guy attacks" and etc. Unless he was suggesting Citizens can have vest or not, which in this case might be him unknowingly soft claiming citizen. At #190 he initally tries to vote me, but then edits it to Grakylan. Based on his mentioning of being "summoned", i suspect he's related to Dallarian in some way, at least outside of this game. Even mentions Dallarian in his next post, and jokes if he felt suspicious yet. I think he might be an honest new player making the best effort he can to contribute. His first reads at #438 are presented in a unique way, showing scum and town arguments. Why would a scum do this when they could've made reads like everyone else and try to blend in? He's also asking if there's questions for him at #444. At #446 he makes reads just like the rest of players do, but he doesn't seem certain of whether to town lean or scum lean people. A lot of Null. Conclusion: I honestly believe here that Helltanis is the powerless townie, as Auwt put Grakylan as. It just matches with so many of his posts that he's not familiar with Mafia. He also tries to contribute more than Grakylan, is responsive. At #181 I mentioned him to ask for his thoughts, and he quickly responded. I’m still reading this (up to your bakermir iso so far), but I just have to stop and say, damn, this is a hell of an effort post. I know you’ve been effortposting all game but this is next level. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 560] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 12:01 PM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 For now I will hold to my oldest read. Since I'm waiting for Zedus to possibly make a claim EOD1/SOD2, And Helltanis/Grakylan seem to be either citizen or hiding behind null reads (alongside with bakermir) bakermir -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 561] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 12:04 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 For now I will hold to my oldest read. Since I'm waiting for Zedus to possibly make a claim EOD1/SOD2, And Helltanis/Grakylan seem to be either citizen or hiding behind null reads (alongside with bakermir) bakermir I'm curious as to whether you intend to go the full way with this, or to investigate. But I kinda feel I've been a bit biased against Bakermir for being new to FM. I probably would hesitate to lynch him on Day 1. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 562] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 12:09 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 From Martin’s ISO on Auwt: But for some reason he suggests an Auwt / Martin scum combo? He says we cooperate well together. But how can that be when Auwt made a post suggesting a Dallarian/Martin team? I definitely wouldn’t rule out an Auwt/Martin team on that basis. Could easily just be distancing. Auwt hasn’t gone for the kind of really hard push on Martin trying to get him lynched that would make such a pairing difficult to believe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 563] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 12:12 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 For now I will hold to my oldest read. Since I'm waiting for Zedus to possibly make a claim EOD1/SOD2, And Helltanis/Grakylan seem to be either citizen or hiding behind null reads (alongside with bakermir) bakermir Wait, WTF? Two posts ago you said it was between Zedus and Grakylan and now you post this? How did you suddenly drop your top two scum reads for a third option with none of them posting anything new in that time? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 564] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 12:13 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 From Martin’s ISO on Auwt: I definitely wouldn’t rule out an Auwt/Martin team on that basis. Could easily just be distancing. Auwt hasn’t gone for the kind of really hard push on Martin trying to get him lynched that would make such a pairing difficult to believe. At this point I used the sentence "I'm defending Martin", but the truth is, I didnt intend to really defend him. I just thought that bakermir and Zedus were voting Martin for really weak reasons and very early on (first and second post from respectively bakermir and Zedus). I do not consider to be possible to come, and at the same time vote someone. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 565] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 12:15 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 From Martin’s ISO on Auwt: I definitely wouldn’t rule out an Auwt/Martin team on that basis. Could easily just be distancing. Auwt hasn’t gone for the kind of really hard push on Martin trying to get him lynched that would make such a pairing difficult to believe. Fair enough. However, mafia don't have access to a day chat, so it must be some play on Auwt's end, if we were to imagine I and him as mafia. I personally haven't pressed him at all because I haven't found anything wrong with his posts other than the nitpicking at Dallarian and saying he was "aggressive". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 566] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 12:18 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Wait, WTF? Two posts ago you said it was between Zedus and Grakylan and now you post this? How did you suddenly drop your top two scum reads for a third option with none of them posting anything new in that time? Bakermir has always been on my scum list along side with Zedus. Zedus convinced me a bit (but not too much still), and I already said, he claimed power, I wouldnt take risk lynching him right now, unless big failure happen from now on to EOD1. So last call is Grakylan. Between Grakylan and Bakermir, this is a tough spot, but I told you earlier that Grakylan is sending powerless bored Citizen play. I wouldn't see a scum comming in the game and say : "I will do as always in the mod, randoming" (idrc if it was said like this, but thats the way i perceived it) Leaving only Bakermir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 567] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 12:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 A bit offtop. His introduction seems to suggest he's new to the idea of Mafia. Feel trolled. So, yes. I think Helltanis is being a powerless townie. Not by choice, though. Dallarian summoned him probably from another game or off the interweebs. My main in RPG games usually is Summoner. Ash Lael That's consistent of Auwt to vote on bakermir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 568] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 12:21 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Wait, WTF? Two posts ago you said it was between Zedus and Grakylan and now you post this? How did you suddenly drop your top two scum reads for a third option with none of them posting anything new in that time? I don't think he was necessarily being inconsistent here. He was asking my opinion on bakemir a few pages ago, suggesting bakermir is indeed on his radar. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 569] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 12:24 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't think he was necessarily being inconsistent here. He was asking my opinion on bakemir a few pages ago, suggesting bakermir is indeed on his radar. I've long had an excel sheet with a chart noting people's reads. Awut has been suspecting Bakermir since #150, or even earlier. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 570] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 12:28 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Bakermir has always been on my scum list along side with Zedus. Zedus convinced me a bit (but not too much still), and I already said, he claimed power, I wouldnt take risk lynching him right now, unless big failure happen from now on. I want to summon the spirit of JaggedJimmyJay to tell you how cowardly and weak this is. Any scum on the block could claim power role to avoid a lynch. Why wouldn’t they, if they are going to die anyway? If you just automatically respect that claim, you are guaranteeing a town mislynch. To catch scum we need to have the courage and conviction to stare through lies and see the truth. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 571] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 12:34 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I don't think he was necessarily being inconsistent here. He was asking my opinion on bakemir a few pages ago, suggesting bakermir is indeed on his radar. Yeah I’m aware that he’s been dissing bakemir for a while. That’s not my issue. My issue is that he had seemingly progressed from that and had explicitly been weighing up two other players. Then bam, that gets discarded for no clear reason. As town it’s fine to change your mind. We all get stuff wrong, hopefully we all reassess. But it’s important to explain your thought processes. If Auwt was still considering bakermir why didn’t he list him with Zedus/Grakylan when he made that post? If he had genuinely moved on from that read, what has prompted him to suddenly move back? He needs to explain these things so we can assess if they are genuine towny thought processes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 572] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 12:35 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 *sussing not dissing. Autocorrect. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 573] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 12:36 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Fair points above. I am considering that I too am giving too much weight to zedus's soft claim of power, and based on the four scenarios with him I shared he is more likely scum. My pool of lynch candidates at the moment are Hellantris, Grak, and Zedus, and am willing to consider Bakermir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 574] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 12:39 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah I’m aware that he’s been dissing bakemir for a while. That’s not my issue. My issue is that he had seemingly progressed from that and had explicitly been weighing up two other players. Then bam, that gets discarded for no clear reason. As town it’s fine to change your mind. We all get stuff wrong, hopefully we all reassess. But it’s important to explain your thought processes. If Auwt was still considering bakermir why didn’t he list him with Zedus/Grakylan when he made that post? If he had genuinely moved on from that read, what has prompted him to suddenly move back? He needs to explain these things so we can assess if they are genuine towny thought processes. I would have to second this. As much as I might be okay with lynching bakermir. I just cant feel confident (with my possible bias) in lynching him unless there's good reasons to do so. I wouldn't see a scum comming in the game and say : "I will do as always in the mod, randoming" (idrc if it was said like this, but thats the way i perceived it) However, I do acknowledge this as a good point. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 575] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 12:44 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 For the record, bakermir is and remains my strongest town read and he has been ever since like page 2. I’m comfortable with the idea of Renegade/Dallarian/Auwt being town but I’m confident in bakermir. There’s no hidden agenda with this guy. He’s out to catch scum. Yeah he’s been a bit tunelly on Martin, but townies tunnel! If anything that’s more Town indicative than otherwise. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 576] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 12:46 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash - I might suggesting placing a vote. Day is going to end in around 3 hours and I think the EU folks are going to be sleeping soon. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 577] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 26th, 2020 12:48 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah I’m aware that he’s been dissing bakemir for a while. That’s not my issue. My issue is that he had seemingly progressed from that and had explicitly been weighing up two other players. Then bam, that gets discarded for no clear reason. As town it’s fine to change your mind. We all get stuff wrong, hopefully we all reassess. But it’s important to explain your thought processes. If Auwt was still considering bakermir why didn’t he list him with Zedus/Grakylan when he made that post? If he had genuinely moved on from that read, what has prompted him to suddenly move back? He needs to explain these things so we can assess if they are genuine towny thought processes. Be sure that my guess have still been on Bakermir for very long, I just wanted to make sure nothing goes off my mind from Grakylan and Zedus I have asked many people on their thought on bakermir, and so I believed I just had to clarify Grakylan/Zedus position before doing so. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 578] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 12:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 For the record, bakermir is and remains my strongest town read and he has been ever since like page 2. I’m comfortable with the idea of Renegade/Dallarian/Auwt being town but I’m confident in bakermir. There’s no hidden agenda with this guy. He’s out to catch scum. Yeah he’s been a bit tunelly on Martin, but townies tunnel! If anything that’s more Town indicative than otherwise. Not to mention its a bit unfair to accuse Bakermir at this time instead of last night, but then again Zedus did derail our conversations and discussions at that time to be on him and not Bakermir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 579] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 12:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here's another question I think we should consider: If there is some consensus on Bakermir being scum, while others may be deemed more suspicious than other players, then why can't we just put Bakermir's "trial" until the next lynch? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 580] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 12:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 What we know for sure about Zedus is that he is not one of 9 possible roles in this game. He is one of 5, 2 of those being scum, because he has ruled himself out of the 4 natural Citizen roles. If you are reading anyone else as a town power role, that should narrow the non-scum possibilities for Zedus further still. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 581] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 12:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I guess what I'm saying is, if we're going to lynch, and we all want to lynch someone, then why shouldn't we lynch Zedus (or anyone else if there's better consensus) and then put Bakermir under the microscope the next day phase? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 582] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 12:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I agree, bakemir doesn't need to be lynched today, three (I think?) are already on the table for good reasons. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 583] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 12:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash - I might suggesting placing a vote. Day is going to end in around 3 hours and I think the EU folks are going to be sleeping soon. I’m intending to be here right until end of day. I’ve made my position and preferences clear. I want a Zedus lynch first and foremost but I’ll go for any of my four suspects that is most viable. At the moment we have some very splintered votes and we need to coalesce. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 584] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 12:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I guess what I'm saying is, if we're going to lynch, and we all want to lynch someone, then why shouldn't we lynch Zedus (or anyone else if there's better consensus) and then put Bakermir under the microscope the next day phase? This is also fair. I have no objection to the guy being interrogated - I could be wrong about him, after all. But lynching him today just seems like a losing play to me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 585] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 01:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I’m intending to be here right until end of day. I’ve made my position and preferences clear. I want a Zedus lynch first and foremost but I’ll go for any of my four suspects that is most viable. At the moment we have some very splintered votes and we need to coalesce. Well, I am also feel good about a Zedus lynch. So time to coalesce I suppose. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 586] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 01:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 587] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 01:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Current Votes for later checking Grakylan (1 [L-4]): MartinGG99 Zedus (1 [L-4]): Dallarian Helltanis (2 [L-3]): Grakylan, Renegade bakermir (1 [L-4]): Auwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 588] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 01:01 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That didn't reflect my switch, here are current votes: Grakylan (1 [L-4]): MartinGG99 Zedus (2 [L-3]): Dallarian, Renegade Helltanis (1 [L-4]): Grakylan bakermir (1 [L-4]): Auwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 589] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 01:05 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus Zedus Still willing to move as necessary, but Zedus looks the most viable right now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 590] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 01:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Based on what I've noted from the last reads of everyone, we either have the largest consensus on Zedus or Grakylan. Renegade has null'ed Zedus, but scum-lean'ed Grakylan. Ash Lael, on his last read at #249 (before the Zedus debacle) had Grakylan as his strongest scum read. Correct me if I'm wrong, the only published reads list of Auwt is back at #150. Auwt had Grakylan as town-lean, while having Zedus Scum-lean Dallarian has Zedus as his biggest scum read at #500, and suspected Grakylan. I would go for either a Grakylan or Zedus lynch. Preferably Grakylan. But Zedus did scum read Grakylan at #507. Helltanis null'ed preety much everyone but two. Dont know if he would even vote. Bakermir had Zedus at town-lean, and Grakylan at null. (This is from #120...waaay back) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 591] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 01:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus, anything to say? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 592] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 01:08 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I nulled him initially but after my post with the 4 zedus scenarios it seems MOST likely he is scum to me. His play doesn't make sense as town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 593] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 01:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Based on what I've noted from the last reads of everyone, we either have the largest consensus on Zedus or Grakylan. Renegade has null'ed Zedus, but scum-lean'ed Grakylan. Ash Lael, on his last read at #249 (before the Zedus debacle) had Grakylan as his strongest scum read. Correct me if I'm wrong, the only published reads list of Auwt is back at #150. Auwt had Grakylan as town-lean, while having Zedus Scum-lean Dallarian has Zedus as his biggest scum read at #500, and suspected Grakylan. I would go for either a Grakylan or Zedus lynch. Preferably Grakylan. But Zedus did scum read Grakylan at #507. Helltanis null'ed preety much everyone but two. Dont know if he would even vote. Bakermir had Zedus at town-lean, and Grakylan at null. (This is from #120...waaay back) By the looks of it, even though no body really favoured Grak in a positive manner, Zedus is more "popular". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 594] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 01:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I nulled him initially but after my post with the 4 zedus scenarios it seems MOST likely he is scum to me. His play doesn't make sense as town. Exactly this. It’s bad play as either alignment but it’s most consistent with a scum agenda. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 595] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 01:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So you still want to lynch someone d1... Well, I kinda trust Auwt at this point, but voting Bakermir will probably a result of losing smart and accurate town player. Can you explain why you think he is definitely evil? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 596] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 01:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Looks like its Zedus unless people move to Grakylan. Zedus -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 597] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 01:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I nulled him initially but after my post with the 4 zedus scenarios it seems MOST likely he is scum to me. His play doesn't make sense as town. What if this "sense" is beyond your understanding, cause you can't think a few steps forward? Do you admit that you understand the game worse than you think? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 598] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 26th, 2020 01:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 He's at L-1. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 599] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 01:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash Lael, on his last read at #249 Eesh, that’s a while back. Ok a quick new one. Town Bakermir Probably town Renegade Auwt Dallarian Potentially scum Martin Grakylan Probably scum Hellstatis Zedus -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 600] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 01:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, Martin doing again that he is shining in - missleading town... Nothing new. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 601] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 01:16 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 What if this "sense" is beyond your understanding, cause you can't think a few steps forward? Do you admit that you understand the game worse than you think? I will admit Zedus, you are definitely beyond my understanding. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 602] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 01:16 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus Let me finish what I am writing currently. I'll be back on you soon, don't you worry. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 603] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 01:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 ... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 604] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 01:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, Martin doing again that he is shining in - missleading town... Nothing new. Yup nothing new from you either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 605] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 01:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Dude, the rule against editing posts could not have been made clearer. What exactly did this post say before you changed it? The original post was literally saying the same thing, but with the green part uncolored. I just needed to specify that the green part was part of a question I answered in the post before. Any edits I make are just so minor its not worth fussing about, such as adding some descriptor word like "somewhat" in there. I'm not straight up changing the vote like Helltenis was. Although reading over Martin's read, his read that Helltanis was a new player could make sense. I know for sure my mentors been quiet lately. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 606] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 01:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, I am tired of it. This discussion looks like some kind of Misslead Festival. Waiting for Auwt explaining his position. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 607] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 01:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yup nothing new from you either. Sure. For you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 608] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 01:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Honestly, we all agree on fuck Zedis? Then fuck Zedis. I don't mind the heat about to come down on me, I'm from Arizona, bitches! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 609] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 01:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 610] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 26th, 2020 01:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here goes. Honestly, I already shared any thoughts I had that aren't already shared with others (Martin is a good town, bakemir kinda sus but should be looked upon instead of straight up lynched) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 611] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 01:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, I am tired of it. This discussion looks like some kind of Misslead Festival. Waiting for Auwt explaining his position. You’re one vote away from death. Feel like actually hardclaiming that power role you’ve been hinting At all game? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 612] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 01:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus is hellbent on punishing us if he is town, which is so freaking anti town I can't even. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 613] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 01:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus is hellbent on punishing us if he is town, which is so freaking anti town I can't even. To quote a certain permabanned player from champs, it is, after all, the cost of playing and maintaining an anti town meta. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 614] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 26th, 2020 01:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 To quote a certain permabanned player from champs, it is, after all, the cost of playing and maintaining an anti town meta. I'm not sure what you are referring to, but would be happy to hear about it after the game :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 615] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 26th, 2020 01:28 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, evils revealing now, in last seconds, as I explained before. Grakylan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 616] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 26th, 2020 01:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm not sure what you are referring to, but would be happy to hear about it after the game :) That was an actual quote from Zone, a player in game seven who explicitly stated his intent to throw the game. Fortunately he was forcefully removed from the game and replaced before he could do so. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 617] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 26th, 2020 01:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I find bakermir slightly defending Zedus, but from my –Mafia- opinion I have on bakermir, I do not believe he would protect his mafia friend this way. He easily manipulates people around to do what he wants, but I do not believe this is the case. This is information I haven’t confirmed in FM. Early game situation between #100-#200 shows how people get easily influenced by Auwt. After Auwt post some strong content, the way people perceive game changes. I try to distance myself from his reads, for he is very convicing person. If Zedus is Mafia, then I do not believe bakermir is his friend. I thought Zedus over. His altitude changed to the game completely. I was likely to believe he have done newbie mistakes and tries to play game with newer, more open-minded approach as townie. However, on his “evil” approach first he denied admitting to manipulate Martin, then he said random lynch and lynch is same thing for him. On his “new” approach, after being asked for it, he didn’t really answer my question and went around. Just as if he hoped we will forget about some things after his defence and fully accept it. I find it hiding an inconvenient fact, what is suspicious for me and together with his earlier behaviour I maintain my opinion on him as Mafia Member. Zedus -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 618] Auteur : The Godfather Date : June 26th, 2020 01:30 PM Zedus has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post! Zedus ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/31044') (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=870504'), Ash Lael ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=870497'), Dallarian ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=870533'), Grakylan ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=870524'), Renegade ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=870494') Grakylan ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27354') (1 [L-4]): Zedus ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=870531') bakermir ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/45327') (1 [L-4]): Auwt ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=870462') -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 619] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 26th, 2020 01:36 PM Title : S-FM Summer 2020 Night 1 Night One Zedus was lunched. They was a Citizen Nomnomnom. LINK TO SETUP (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/41590-S-FM-SC2Mafia-(13P-1-0)) Rolelist Alive Players Graveyard Mafia Any Mafia Any Town Any Town Any Town Any Citizen Citizen Citizen Citizen 1. Auwt 2. Renegade 3. Dallarian 4. MartinGG99 5. Helltanis 7. Grakylan 8. Ash Lael 9. bakermir 6. Zedus- Citizen NIGHT ENDS IN 01:00:24:00 QuickLinks LINK TO SETUP (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/41590-S-FM-SC2Mafia-(13P-1-0)) PostCount (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=46924) Day Two ("]Day One[/URL] [URL=") Day Three ("") . -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 620] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 27th, 2020 02:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Night 1 Day Two Renegade was murdered. They was a Doctor They had a last will written in BananaCucho's blood If you are reading this, I am dead. I was your good doctor. I attempted to heal Ash Loreal this evening. Zedus got what was coming to him. Please watch Grakylan and Dallorian, they were on the train but especially Grak were the least invested in it. Do not let Hellatlantis idle any more. Get him talking or lynch. Keep in mid the mafia has had the opportunity to talk at night. They may have coordinated the light bussing of one another. And they may slowly but surely push for a lynch they want today. I believe Ash and Auwt are town, but if they aren't, ugh... Good Luck!4 Rolelist Alive Players Graveyard Mafia Any Mafia Any Town Any Town Any Town Any Citizen Citizen Citizen Citizen 1. Auwt 3. Dallarian deathworlds 4. MartinGG99 5. Helltanis Drizzt 7. Grakylan 8. Ash Lael 9. bakermir 6. Zedus- Citizen 2. Renegade- Doctor DAY ENDS IN 02:00:00:00 QuickLinks LINK TO SETUP (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/41590-S-FM-SC2Mafia-(13P-1-0)) PostCount (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=46924) Day One (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=869839&viewfull=1#post869839) Day Two (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=870669&viewfull=1#post870669) Day Three ("") . -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 621] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 02:02 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh crap that’s awful. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 622] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:02 PM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 That lynch you guys just did was shameful. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 623] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:04 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Night 1 Alright. Being alive past night one has been an interesting experience. It's unfortunate renegade died last night, I had my ISO prepared for him last night :(. I got a tinfoil theroy (meaning: this is only considering something as a possiblility rather than whether it's probable) Because Dallarian brought up posts #100 to #200, I reevaluated there to see if I might've been wrong about something. That something quite possibly might be Awut's #154 reads post. There is a big issue with this that I missed: -This is his only reads post in 600-ish posts within the forum. He might've tried to seem important once so everyone would give him a pass for awhile, and therefore he's coasting under the radar. Maybe because Martin just cant. Dallarian has also been leading the discussion quite well. Null read. I do not know the role tho but I dont think he is Citizen at all, he knows he can bring something. -I failed to realize this in my past ISO, I should've scrutinized the writing more, but Auwt specifically suggesting that I am citizen can be a very bad thing. Its indirect power hunting, makes it more likely for the mafia to find the TPR's if he is correct by process of elimination. In that same reads list, he also suggests Dallarian is a citizen? Its just scummy to power hunt, one that I had been accused of at the start of this game. Keep in mind the first quote above is a response to Grakylan that was made within his reads post. He also suggests, again, that I am citizen at #160: I totally agree, but looks more like a lost Citizen than a scum trying to fool the game discussion -I also noticed that Awut's reads on #154 are fairly similar to the ones that Grakylan made at #219. See here (I am paraphrasing quite a fair bit here, though): Awut Reads: Ash Lael is town-leaning. Bakermir is scum-leaning. * Dallarian is Null. Grakylan is town-leaning. ~ Helltanis is Null. + Martin is town-leaning. Renegade is Null. + Zedus is Scum-leaning. * Now keep in mind, Grakylan posted about 65 posts after this. So some interactions have occured, such as Dallarian poking Awut and Zedus becoming more upset at me. Grakylan Reads: Auwt is town-leaning.~ Ash Lael is Null. Bakermir is definitely scum. * Dallarian is scum-leaning (because of interactions with Auwt?) Helltanis is Null. + Martin is either a town PR or a scum. (He doesn't seem to say or suggest this is a null read) Renegade is Null. + Zedus is definitely Scum. * I've made several symbols to point out certain things: ~They both town-lean each other. This could be townies supporting each other, or on the other side of the alignment. *Notice how these are just an increment increase in the suspicion of both? +These remained absolutely the same between each other. As one final note, remember that the #219 post by Grakylan was created in just four minutes. So, my tinfoil theory, with the evidence above is this: Is Auwt aligned with Grakylan, and if Grakylan is scum, does this incriminate Auwt? Any thoughts on the above tinfoil theory, anyone? Is it probable? Anyways, I have updated my reads now. Awut: Null, while I do believe there can be a possibility for him to be town, for him to vote Bakermir and leave it as that without much of an explanation before EoD1 just rubs me the wrong way. Also certain aspects of the tinfoil theory remain true, even if Awut is town, such as his repeated suggestions that I am citizen. Which can only be indirect power hunting as, if Awut's suggestion is true, means mafia can just do process of elimination in order to figure out who is probably a TPR and shoot them for it. Ash Lael: I've explained my reasons in the past reads. I'm just town-locking him until strong evidence says otherwise. (Besides, I need to maintain my own Process Of Elimination pool.) Bakermir: Honestly, it feels like a lot of suspicion was on him in part of a possible Zedus/Bakermir combo. Or at least for me. Now we see we were clearly wrong about that, I think I feel safe in putting him as town lean. Although, I would really like to see if he has a reads list of his own right now, because if I'm not mistaken, his last reads list was at #120 and a lot has changed since then. Dallarian: Also null, I feel he is a potential combo with Grakylan, if its not Auwt or Helltanis & if Grakylan is scum. Besides, with him being against Auwt at times, and fairly consistently over the course of the game, I feel its difficult to argue that Awut and Dallarian could be of the same alignment if Grakylan is scum. Grakylan: My read hasn't really changed much on him. I don't think the reasoning for voting Zedus was particularly scummy or towny. It could have been oppertunistic, as he unvoted a minute after Dallarian unvoted, and voted Zedus 3 minutes later. But I don't think this is indicative since with the given reason it can't be argued as scummy. Scum-lean. Helltanis: While he is a new player, and was voted for by Grakylan, I'm going to downgrade to null from town-leaning. But don't expect me to not hesitate before lynching him, if that's the consensus we get today. As for Renegade, here's my belated ISO of him that I promised earlier: I have no complaints about his introduction. He questions my question, but he doesn't do it to a degree that Ash Lael does or as little (in my opinion) that Bakermir does. I've felt null about this, most of the time. His initial reads are given for the first three participating people at #63. I have no comment for this and the posts from him after this for a bit. He's interacting with everyone even on his own initiative, and so I feel this is towny behavior. At #153 he votes Grakylan, and at #155 quickly points out to Auwt that he was defending Martin (Me) and Grakylan at the same time, while Grakylan was voting me. To this, Awut says he feels Grakylan's vote was random due to being new to FM. at #178, he posts the current vote count. At first i thought it might've been pointless (given the tool) but later in the game I realized you can't see vote count history very well unless you post it occasionally or nitpick each post for every vote, which is a comparatively painstaking process than just posting it occasionally with the vote count tool.I town lean on Renegade for this, on a mostly noob game he could've simply not done it and probably get away with it without much pressure, if any at all. At #220 he points out to Grakylan that he can't have 3 scum at once, since max 2 scum are in this game. At #229 he releases his second read list.A few of the reads seem hedg-y, like the one saying this: Auwt - I do sympathize with Ash in your pointing out of role guesses not being useful at this time. After that, most of his posts focus on Zedus and the whole debacle. I feel its not super important to look at it, because quite a few people wanted to lynch Zedus on the bases of being toxic anyways. I will always appreciate the #322 post for making me realize my ridiculous tunnel. At #506 he votes Helltanis. I have no objections to the reason why he did it. I don't think this is scummy at all (and therefore town). At #533, he goes through 4 different possible states/explanations for Zedus, I appreciate the effort, but I believed the several hundred posts-length derailment and toxicity makes him impossible to read clearly. Hence why I didn't create an ISO for him, since I felt I would be biased to an unavoidable degree. The rest is EoD1 history, the Zedus lynch determination/consensus. Conclusion: If you were to ask me if I could find anything scummy about renegade, I would have a rather very difficult time. Lean town. Potentially town-locked in the near future. Additionally, here's the Post Count at the EoD1. For the record if anyone is checking in the future. Post count in my opinion is usually NAI, but its strange to see that both of the people I mentioned in my tinfoil theory are at the bottom of the post count (Aside from the godfather bot and the host, SuperJack). Martin: 140 Ash Lael: 100 Renegade: 93 Zedus: 71 Dallarian: 45 Helltanis: 45 Auwt: 39 Grakylan: 20 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 624] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:06 PM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Ash just brought wood to the Zedus fire by discrediting my vote on bakermir. You all went on Zedus in a 30 min interval and I sadly wasnt present between this time. At this point the only possible team for me are Dallarian/Ash Ash/bakermir Dallarian/Martin Might turn into something else if progress are being made. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 625] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 02:08 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ugh. I feel so sick and angry right now. I literally am finding it hard to post. I’m angry at Zedus, I’m angry at Auwt and I’m bloody furious with Martin. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 626] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 02:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 damn -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 627] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ugh. I feel so sick and angry right now. I literally am finding it hard to post. Take your time, think this through. We have 1 more mislynch before Lylo, if we're going to lynch anyone today. We have another 48 hours to come to a consensus now. I'm sure you can do it, whether it be against me or not. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 628] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 27th, 2020 02:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here I have my thoughts about each player after day 1: SJ –Oppressive, enforces the law and uses his power to order people around. Legends say has power to kill people, but he behaves more like Mayor. What if he’s both Vigilante and Mayor? Maylante? Strongest host read here. Auwt – I am preparing another post dedicated only to him. Renegade – observes and asks questions to find out more, however I don’t really know what is going in his mind. A bit “cold”. I do not know what motives him. His actions seem to be reasonable. Slightly town. Ash Lael – Trying to solve game, asked constructive questions to both Zedus and Martin. Is more open than Renegade with his thoughts what makes me find him townie. But there’s one thing that’s worrying me. Helltanis - is definitely lost in what’s going on. I need more information. Lurking Mafia perhaps? Grakylan – newbie behaviour. Weird End of Day content, but it is natural to fight for our survival. Changing vote to Zedus is not aligment indicative. I need more information. Lurking Mafia perhaps? bakermir – jumps very early to attack, but his intention seems to be fair and clear to me. I hope today we will have a lot of information about him. Martin – suspicious behaviour in early D1. His short posts style makes it difficult for me to follow him. Reacted very defensively after push on him, but I don’t find it aligment indicative. Both activity and effort aren’t aligment indicative. A bit too general in terms of lynching? Does he care who’s getting lynched? Zedus - unlikely to move or speak any more. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 629] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:12 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ugh. I feel so sick and angry right now. I literally am finding it hard to post. I’m angry at Zedus, I’m angry at Auwt and I’m bloody furious with Martin. I do not believe a townie would take the risk to lynch someone openly claiming a town power, naming Zedus. If you are really a townie, this play shouldnt have been made. I believe that when you saw my vote on your potential team mate you just went "wtf not taking any risk to let my mafia scum being taken away" Thats only a possibility, but the way you acted just after my vote on bakermir was unbelievable. I've been pointing out bakermir for around 400 posts ago. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 630] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 02:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus - worst team mate I could have asked for. I still can’t believe he did all that shit as a god damn citizen. I thought and hoped he would be scum, I braced myself for the horror of a power role flip, but the one thing I wasn’t ready for was that he would be a god damn citizen. To do all that bullshit claiming power and hinting at secret plans when he had absolutely nothing to back it up... just the worst, worst teammate ever. He was flagrantly and blatantly lying to our faces and we correctly read him as a liar. I really do not think we can blame ourselves for this one. This is 100% on him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 631] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 27th, 2020 02:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I have got a few questions regarding yesterday’s actions: Some of my old reads I made in my ISO are trying to shift between scuminess and towniness. What do you mean in a literal way? Concerning the sense of the sentence. I simply don’t get it. bakermir, if during end of day Helltanis was around L-2 or L-1, would you vote him? Ok, so. If we live in easy world, the scum team is one of Zedus/Martin along with one of Helltanis/Grakyln. We have 4 lynches as long as we hit at least one scum, so if we just chain lynch this entire group of players we are guaranteed to win. Didn’t you go too far with this statement? You mentioned it as “easy world” and supported this post with later mentioned “hard world”, but still considering 4 people, confirms atleast 2 Townies in this group. They are perceived as potential Mafia for similar reasons (except for Martin) and since one of them could (actually did, I wish I’ve written this post before End of Day) be Town, then lynching everyone from this group would be an easy way for Mafia victory. You later followed: but given just how scummy the other four are I feel fairly good about the idea that we just have a winning process of elimination. I find you open-minded, but isn’t it too narrow thinking? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 632] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 02:16 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade Zedus seemed to tone down at later stages of Day One and you guys still lynched him. I think these 5 people need to explain to us why did they lynch a townie. A town move would be to remove him off stage and get someone else up like Helltanis or Grakylan as I suggested on #502. Okay, I am gonna quit bitching, lets get straight to the facts; #438 from Helltano Capone still stinks. As for Grak, Graky was null for me in the beginning just for the sake of new player game but he just continued his scum playstyle from start to end. I hope this was a better explanation than my post on #502. Oh and there is one more thing. A question for Auwt; Why were you away on EOD1? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 633] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:17 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I believe that when you saw my vote on your potential team mate. Are you implying a scum claim against a person that I've town locked for practically the whole game? You had him at town lean on your only reads post at #154. What's with this turnaround when you earlier claimed the two likely possiblities were Martin/Dallarian or Zedus/Bakermir? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 634] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 02:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ah jeez a bunch of replies posted. I'm just gonna say this now before I make another post that is more caught up, I can confirm any reads on bakermir that puts him on town alignment. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 635] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:21 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Are you implying a scum claim against a person that I've town locked for practically the whole game? You had him at town lean on your only reads post at #154. What's with this turnaround when you earlier claimed the two likely possiblities were Martin/Dallarian or Zedus/Bakermir? Seeing Zedus die exclude the Zedus/Bakermir option, even more, because Bakermir didnt vote Zedus during last lynch. A turnaround is perfectly fine considering what happend in the freaking last 30 min before lynch. I have seen many lynch in both the mod and past games, but this... was... uh. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 636] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:22 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade Zedus seemed to tone down at later stages of Day One and you guys still lynched him. I think these 5 people need to explain to us why did they lynch a townie. A town move would be to remove him off stage and get someone else up like Helltanis or Grakylan as I suggested on #502. I wanted a lynch on day 1, that was clear from the very beginning and im never going to deny that. However, in my defense I had offered either Grakylan or Zedus as options that I would go with. I wanted to go with consensus. Keep in mind a now-dead Doctor had voted zedus. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 637] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 02:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 bakermir, if during end of day Helltanis was around L-2 or L-1, would you vote him? Probably not unless he provides more things to look at. I still think we have done overthinking with Zedus or Martin cases and that we should just simplify our game. I would go after people with little input and sketchy actions. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 638] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:24 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Martin – suspicious behaviour in early D1. His short posts style makes it difficult for me to follow him. Reacted very defensively after push on him, but I don’t find it aligment indicative. Both activity and effort aren’t aligment indicative. A bit too general in terms of lynching? Does he care who’s getting lynched? How dare you pointing Martin being supicious in early D1, while you defended him in the early D1?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 639] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 02:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash just brought wood to the Zedus fire by discrediting my vote on bakermir. You all went on Zedus in a 30 min interval and I sadly wasnt present between this time. At this point the only possible team for me are Dallarian/Ash Ash/bakermir Dallarian/Martin Might turn into something else if progress are being made. The guy seems to pair with Dallarian a lot. Unsure if its because of the grudge or not. But its surprising for him to not pair me or helltenis as scum considering both of us have behaved quite strangely. Here I have my thoughts about each player after day 1: SJ –Oppressive, enforces the law and uses his power to order people around. Legends say has power to kill people, but he behaves more like Mayor. What if he’s both Vigilante and Mayor? Maylante? Strongest host read here. Auwt – I am preparing another post dedicated only to him. Renegade – observes and asks questions to find out more, however I don’t really know what is going in his mind. A bit “cold”. I do not know what motives him. His actions seem to be reasonable. Slightly town. Ash Lael – Trying to solve game, asked constructive questions to both Zedus and Martin. Is more open than Renegade with his thoughts what makes me find him townie. But there’s one thing that’s worrying me. Helltanis - is definitely lost in what’s going on. I need more information. Lurking Mafia perhaps? Grakylan – newbie behaviour. Weird End of Day content, but it is natural to fight for our survival. Changing vote to Zedus is not aligment indicative. I need more information. Lurking Mafia perhaps? bakermir – jumps very early to attack, but his intention seems to be fair and clear to me. I hope today we will have a lot of information about him. Martin – suspicious behaviour in early D1. His short posts style makes it difficult for me to follow him. Reacted very defensively after push on him, but I don’t find it aligment indicative. Both activity and effort aren’t aligment indicative. A bit too general in terms of lynching? Does he care who’s getting lynched? Zedus - unlikely to move or speak any more. Renegade is town leaning alright. On the subject of Renegade, he didn't really explain why he would decide to heal Ash. I wish he did. Martin's posts are all but short from what I've seen, unless I'm already forgetting some posts. Back that up with proof? Remember that Martin was the one to push hard for Zedus. Who else was it? With two mafia, you only need two people pushing strongly, and sheep like me might follow. As for Grak, Graky was null for me in the beginning just for the sake of new player game but he just continued his scum playstyle from start to end. I don't even know what playstyle I'm playing lol. I don't talk a whole lot, but you? You don't do a whole lot either, in every sense of the word. Its as clear as day, and not obscured in the shadows of night. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 640] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:26 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How dare you pointing Martin being supicious in early D1, while you defended him in the early D1?? Says the person who also defended me. Don't forget that you also suggested me as citizen. That's indirect power hunting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 641] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 02:26 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I do not believe a townie would take the risk to lynch someone openly claiming a town power, naming Zedus. If you are really a townie, this play shouldnt have been made. I believe that when you saw my vote on your potential team mate you just went "wtf not taking any risk to let my mafia scum being taken away" Thats only a possibility, but the way you acted just after my vote on bakermir was unbelievable. I've been pointing out bakermir for around 400 posts ago. You went from saying it was between Zed and Grak to voting bakemir with no explanation. That’s what’s unbelievable. I don’t give a shit that you were suspecting him earlier, reads change and evolve. You need to explain your changes and you did not and still have not. And I am not going to apologise for defending the guy in this game that I trust most. And yes good Town players are willing to lynch power role claims if they believe the claim is a lie. Go read game 6 of champs. The best town performance you will ever see, and they lynched a power role claim in day 1 with a clean wagon of 9 of the 12 town players on it, and they swept the game without a single mislynch. If you’re going to be intimidated by a power role claim you are going to lynch town every time, because scum have no reason not to lie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 642] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:27 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I hope everyone eventually reads my Tinfoil Theory at #623. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 643] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 02:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I would trust Renegade's intuition, so perhaps Ash is a townie. I don't know what makes of Auwt and Dallarian. I feel like if one of those two is a scum, the other should be town. But Zedus did defy all expectations, so who knows what to expect. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 644] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:28 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade Zedus seemed to tone down at later stages of Day One and you guys still lynched him. I think these 5 people need to explain to us why did they lynch a townie. A town move would be to remove him off stage and get someone else up like Helltanis or Grakylan as I suggested on #502. Oh and there is one more thing. A question for Auwt; Why were you away on EOD1? This reflects perfectly my mind-set Going on Helltanis is currently useless for some reasons. Grakylan has tough post atm, but isnt scum. Thats what scums want town to know. (this idea might change considering how the game progress). Not that I didnt want, but just couldnt, my bad for this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 645] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I would trust Renegade's intuition, so perhaps Ash is a townie. I don't know what makes of Auwt and Dallarian. I feel like if one of those two is a scum, the other should be town. But Zedus did defy all expectations, so who knows what to expect. This is the same feeling I had from the case I made last night. It doesn't feel like Dallarian and Auwt could ever be on the same team. Then again, its possible (but i feel unlikely) it might be another town vs. town situation (at least from my perspective) on the whole Zedus debacle. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 646] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 27th, 2020 02:30 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How dare you pointing Martin being supicious in early D1, while you defended him in the early D1?? Let me explain why I have defended Martin. In the beginning of the game, Martin has began a question I find off-top and neutral to the game itself. The question have pushed us into content and conversation. Before start of the game I was afraid we would have difficulty in establishing conversation at all and we would end up having low activity and no information. After 7 hours of the game I believed Martin was put at L-2 (he was actually at L-3), with contribution to the game from 5 players total, and 2 players haven’t said a word yet. With Zedus contribution and if Grakylan’s vote was correct, Martin would be put at L-1 after 11 hours of game. Hammering him would be easy at that point. We gained and are still gaining information from this day and I believe it would be waste if we lost 75% of the day due to speed lynch. I am happy I convinced Ash Lael to temporary remove his vote on Martin in order not to finish day and I find it my personal first small victory in mafia. Some may not know yet, but if Martin is voted by total of 5 people the day ends automatically. There is no trial like in mod mafia. It doesn’t mean I trust Martin. In this situation uwu, I found defending Martin beneficial, regardless of his aligment. #138 explain my reasons for defending Martin. I find both him and Ash too general about their lynch list, they appeared to be content if we lynched anyone from suspicious group. This thing prevents me from fully Town reading Ash and put Martin below neutral read. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 647] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 02:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ah jeez a bunch of replies posted. I'm just gonna say this now before I make another post that is more caught up, I can confirm any reads on bakermir that puts him on town alignment. What do you think is my role? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 648] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:39 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I find both him and Ash too general about their lynch list Right now my reads list has 3 nulls, 1 scum lean, 1 town lean, 1 town lock. (#623) Yours has the same but instead of 3 nulls and 1 scum lean, you have 4 nulls. (#628) Our town-lean on renegade was the same. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 649] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:39 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 (#628 ), not (#628) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 650] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:41 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You went from saying it was between Zed and Grak to voting bakemir with no explanation. That’s what’s unbelievable. I don’t give a shit that you were suspecting him earlier, reads change and evolve. You need to explain your changes and you did not and still have not. And I am not going to apologise for defending the guy in this game that I trust most. And yes good Town players are willing to lynch power role claims if they believe the claim is a lie. Go read game 6 of champs. The best town performance you will ever see, and they lynched a power role claim in day 1 with a clean wagon of 9 of the 12 town players on it, and they swept the game without a single mislynch. If you’re going to be intimidated by a power role claim you are going to lynch town every time, because scum have no reason not to lie. Already clarified the post between Zedus/Grakylan. Their slots were shaky, but not shaky enough compared on how I saw bakermir D1. So this isnt a "change" more a "confrontation between who was the shakiest to my eyes". You shouldnt compare this game to some elitist thingies that is champs. There are no great player of Mafia, only players that are willing to see something at the right moment at the right place. I havent got a single clue on how did game 'insert a number' go. I do not need anyone apologies, but your ignite the powder keg you did on Zedus was horrible. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 651] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 02:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But my real fury right now is directed at Martin. Renegade is dead directly because of you. Whether you are town or scum, their blood is on your hands. Our doctor was exposed by your play and targeted as a direct result. You posted your stupid question. You even said yourself how you might read a power role from it (I.e. they might be afraid to answer). Renegade did not answer it and many others did. This is your fault. We’ve lost an important power role because of you. Either you handed the scum a map to our doctor and told them how to read it because you’re a shitty player, or you did this on purpose and killed Renegade with your own two hands. I know which one I think is true. MartinGG99 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 652] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 02:47 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Already clarified the post between Zedus/Grakylan. Their slots were shaky, but not shaky enough compared on how I saw bakermir D1. So this isnt a "change" more a "confrontation between who was the shakiest to my eyes". You shouldnt compare this game to some elitist thingies that is champs. There are no great player of Mafia, only players that are willing to see something at the right moment at the right place. I havent got a single clue on how did game 'insert a number' go. I do not need anyone apologies, but your ignite the powder keg you did on Zedus was horrible. Well maybe you should go and see what actual good play looks like. Let me give you a hint: It’s not OPENLY POWER ROLE HUNTING AS TOWN and it’s not hurling accusations at someone for defending the obvious town player they’ve been reading as town all game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 653] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 02:50 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But my real fury right now is directed at Martin. Renegade is dead directly because of you. Whether you are town or scum, their blood is on your hands. Our doctor was exposed by your play and targeted as a direct result. You posted your stupid question. You even said yourself how you might read a power role from it (I.e. they might be afraid to answer). Renegade did not answer it and many others did. This is your fault. We’ve lost an important power role because of you. Either you handed the scum a map to our doctor and told them how to read it because you’re a shitty player, or you did this on purpose and killed Renegade with your own two hands. I know which one I think is true. MartinGG99 Please allow me a few minutes to compile a few quotes from a certain player. It may show you how Renegade was an easy guess. Then i'll address this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 654] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 02:50 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ah jeez a bunch of replies posted. I'm just gonna say this now before I make another post that is more caught up, I can confirm any reads on bakermir that puts him on town alignment. Oh shot with all this I missed the open power role claim with a result. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 655] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:51 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well maybe you should go and see what actual good play looks like. Let me give you a hint: It’s not OPENLY POWER ROLE HUNTING AS TOWN and it’s not hurling accusations at someone for defending the obvious town player they’ve been reading as town all game. There is "defending" and defending. You are not supposed to know barkermir's role. You suddenly went for Zedus, like you felt being threathened and being in a potential danger If I had led a bakermir lynch. I will let bakermir for the moment because apparently Grakylan has some kind of thing prooving bakermir as a townie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 656] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 02:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Please allow me a few minutes to compile a few quotes from a certain player. It may show you how Renegade was an easy guess. Then i'll address this. Guess what? Confirming that you read Renegade as a power role does not help your case. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 657] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 02:57 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There is "defending" and defending. You are not supposed to know barkermir's role. You suddenly went for Zedus, like you felt being threathened and being in a potential danger If I had led a bakermir lynch. I will let bakermir for the moment because apparently Grakylan has some kind of thing prooving bakermir as a townie. Oh for the love of God. Reading players, have you heard of it? I have been reading bakemir town this whole game, to me it is obvious from his posts. I don’t need scum omniscience, some players are just obvious town. And I did not “suddenly” go for Zedus, I have been on him for ages. There’s pages and pages of me going after Zedus before you ever made your vote. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 658] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:58 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash Lael – Trying to solve game, asked constructive questions to both Zedus and Martin. Is more open than Renegade with his thoughts what makes me find him townie. But there’s one thing that’s worrying me. Martin – suspicious behaviour in early D1. His short posts style makes it difficult for me to follow him. Reacted very defensively after push on him, but I don’t find it aligment indicative. Both activity and effort aren’t aligment indicative. A bit too general in terms of lynching? Does he care who’s getting lynched? I am trying to dismantle as many team I made as I can. Apparently a Dallarian/Martin seems less probable due to this scum leaning from Dallarian toward Martin Considering this, I would love to hear what you are talking about. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 659] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 02:59 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh for the love of God. Reading players, have you heard of it? I have been reading bakemir town this whole game, to me it is obvious from his posts. I don’t need scum omniscience, some players are just obvious town. And I did not “suddenly” go for Zedus, I have been on him for ages. There’s pages and pages of me going after Zedus before you ever made your vote. Funny enough there is the same thing for me attacking bakermir. Anyway this will lead no where. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 660] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 03:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grakylan Hey? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 661] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually, something just occurs to me. Bakemir and I have been the two going hardest after Martin. Auwt spent day one on bakemir’s case and today has apparently decided I’m his new target. I thought we were living in a Martin/Helltanis world at the start of the day, but now I’m wondering if it’s a Martin/Auwt world. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 662] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:06 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Funny enough there is the same thing for me attacking bakermir. Anyway this will lead no where. Yeah except I did not go “Well it’s between Helltanis and Martin” and then vote Zedus. Actually I think this might be leading somewhere. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 663] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 03:08 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually, something just occurs to me. Bakemir and I have been the two going hardest after Martin. Auwt spent day one on bakemir’s case and today has apparently decided I’m his new target. I thought we were living in a Martin/Helltanis world at the start of the day, but now I’m wondering if it’s a Martin/Auwt world. I like how I am being at the same in a Auwt/Grakylan team, in a Auwt/Dallarian team and in a Auwt/Martin team and also in a Auwt/Helltanis because why not. If we wait a bit longer we will be on the same team Ash, do not worry. Considering Martin, as I said, i did not like the way he switched his first ISO , to a second one that is almost uniform on mine. If it is necessary, I would vote on Martin tho. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 664] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Gah, I need to stop raging, calm down and think. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 665] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:11 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Considering Martin, as I said, i did not like the way he switched his first ISO , to a second one that is almost uniform on mine. If it is necessary, I would vote on Martin tho. I’ll believe it when I see it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 666] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 03:12 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Right now my reads list has 3 nulls, 1 scum lean, 1 town lean, 1 town lock. (#623) Yours has the same but instead of 3 nulls and 1 scum lean, you have 4 nulls. (#628) Our town-lean on renegade was the same. This point was still correct, I dont like people with quite a lot of null read. Moreover, Dallarian are you really not having a single scum lean?? I know its becoming harder and harder because so far most of us are looking town, but still, come on.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 667] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 At #85: Do not forget that this save has a great amount of Citizens. So Martin could eventually not prove himself in any other way. At #154: Martin : A LOT OF POST, some of them interesting, and some are just math stats. Being bussed, lead early discussion, I feel a bit of panic tho, but not a scum one, I feel he is a Citizen (medium town read) Maybe because Martin just cant. Ash Lael : Good amount of post, very complete from what I've seen. Ash was part of the vote train on Martin, the reason was kinda strange for me tho,even if I understand Ash pushed Martin cause of Martin's post asking for prefer role. Then unvoted on Dallarian's demand. Slight town read, I have no idea of your role. Grakylan : Not many post, a messy entry, into randomly voting me then unvote. I feel like Grakylan is just powerless right now. Slight Citizen read for me. But overall Dallarian has also been leading the discussion quite well. Null read. I do not know the role tho but I dont think he is Citizen at all, he knows he can bring something. At #156: I am hard defending Martin because he doesnt look scum to me at all, the scum attack on him wasnt properly organised, some vote were thrown like : why not lol? I know that the early Grakylan's posts werent that convincing, but please try to be at Grakylan's place. What would a Citizen that is not used to play Citzen do in -Mafia- ? This Citizen would just random and pray, since they feeling they cant do anything at night. At #508: Lynching Grakylan right now wouldnt lead anywhere. You would kill a citizen, and all our hope would be into some possible invest/power luck/role. At #560: For now I will hold to my oldest read. And Helltanis/Grakylan seem to be either citizen or hiding behind null reads (alongside with bakermir) If you're going to accuse me of power hunting, I think you should at least accue Auwt Too. By determining who's a citizen, whoever is left must be a TPR. He wrote off at least 4 people at various points (Martin, Helltanis, Grakylan) as citizens in these quotes. And with Zedus dead, well, anyone else they knew as town are TPRs and they're going to kill them, assuming Auwt is scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 668] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Typo, i meant 3 people. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 669] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 03:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But my real fury right now is directed at Martin. Renegade is dead directly because of you. Whether you are town or scum, their blood is on your hands. Our doctor was exposed by your play and targeted as a direct result. You posted your stupid question. You even said yourself how you might read a power role from it (I.e. they might be afraid to answer). Renegade did not answer it and many others did. This is your fault. We’ve lost an important power role because of you. Either you handed the scum a map to our doctor and told them how to read it because you’re a shitty player, or you did this on purpose and killed Renegade with your own two hands. I know which one I think is true. MartinGG99 By the way, I totally understand the reasoning behind this lynch and it is a legit town way of thinking. I believe Renegade would have voted him too but it was too early and hammering risk. Martin have been calculating his moves and what he says since the beginning. His position is artificial due to #77 and #154. I would have voted him up again but I have questions left unanswered. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 670] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Case in point: Renegade didn't die to my question. He died to Auwt's role hunting, whether he's town or Scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 671] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:16 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Gah, I need to stop raging, calm down and think. Ok now that your mind is cleared up, can you list any reasons why you were raging? Understandably, Zedus being an asshole citizen pretending to be both a power role and a scum would cause a lot of rage on all of us. But is there something else causing your rage? We can help you with that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 672] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 03:16 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you're going to accuse me of power hunting, I think you should at least accue Auwt Too. By determining who's a citizen, whoever is left must be a TPR. He wrote off at least 4 people at various points (Martin, Helltanis, Grakylan) as citizens in these quotes. And with Zedus dead, well, anyone else they knew as town are TPRs and they're going to kill them, assuming Auwt is scum. So you would really believe I openly painted everyone therefore now I go to kill them? Wow. That's going deep. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 673] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:17 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So you would really believe I openly painted everyone therefore now I go to kill them? Wow. That's going deep. Why else would you label 3 people as citizen? Any particular reasoning to do that? I suppose in calling me a citizen, that may have been necessary in my defense. Otherwise, i just dont get it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 674] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you're going to accuse me of power hunting, I think you should at least accue Auwt Too. By determining who's a citizen, whoever is left must be a TPR. He wrote off at least 4 people at various points (Martin, Helltanis, Grakylan) as citizens in these quotes. And with Zedus dead, well, anyone else they knew as town are TPRs and they're going to kill them, assuming Auwt is scum. Damn... Auwt's damned. With damning evidence. And I was wondering whats up with him reading me as straight up Citizen and being contrarian to other reads. Auwt could be scum, but he also could be town. If Auwt really was Scum, would he really influence town to NOT lynch me? Wouldn't that bring more heat onto him? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 675] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you're going to accuse me of power hunting, I think you should at least accue Auwt Too. By determining who's a citizen, whoever is left must be a TPR. He wrote off at least 4 people at various points (Martin, Helltanis, Grakylan) as citizens in these quotes. And with Zedus dead, well, anyone else they knew as town are TPRs and they're going to kill them, assuming Auwt is scum. You’re absolutely right, and I have. I thought he was just a bad town player because at least you were trying to be subtle about it while he was just out there doing it openly. Now I’m not so sure. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 676] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If Auwt really was Scum, would he really influence town to NOT lynch me? Wouldn't that bring more heat onto him? Well he could be an honest townie doing what he believes in, or you were just something easy to gain town credibility and to coast under the radar in scum. Let's not forget he has only made one reads post. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 677] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 27th, 2020 03:21 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This: I have got a few questions regarding yesterday’s actions: Mentioning Ash Lael part: Didn’t you go too far with this statement? You mentioned it as “easy world” and supported this post with later mentioned “hard world”, but still considering 4 people, confirms atleast 2 Townies in this group. They are perceived as potential Mafia for similar reasons (except for Martin) and since one of them could (actually did, I wish I’ve written this post before End of Day) be Town, then lynching everyone from this group would be an easy way for Mafia victory. You later followed: I find you open-minded, but isn’t it too narrow thinking? And this (the same thing): #138 explain my reasons for defending Martin. I find both him and Ash too general about their lynch list, they appeared to be content if we lynched anyone from suspicious group. This thing prevents me from fully Town reading Ash and put Martin below neutral read. Considering this, I would love to hear what you are talking about. I am unsure if Ash already answered this. A lot of is happening. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 678] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 03:22 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Case in point: Renegade didn't die to my question. He died to Auwt's role hunting, whether he's town or Scum. No I will explain why did Renegade die (in my opinion). Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade Martin and Grakylan were in the overall scum list. No need to kill them. It leaves Ash, Dallarian, Renegade. Ash has been a strong town figure through all D1. He would obviously lure any protective role on him (which is by the way what I expected town protective to do.) It leaves Dallarian and Renegade. And thats how I came to a conclusion that since Renegade died, Dallarian has 2 options. First - He is scum so he would obviously not target himself. Second - He is a town and it was a 50/50 between Dallarian/Renegade. I didnt paint any of Dallarian and Renegade. If you still think its my fault, then I havent done my job here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 679] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also could I bring up attention to the beginning of Day 1. Page 4. Dallarian votes Auwt. Then a short while later, I vote Auwt. Both of us had pretty bogus reasons, but Ash goes up to question ME and ME only about my vote, and not Dallarian as well. Before you say "but le Renegade did heal Ash", I'm sorry to backtrack on my previous conclusion that Ash could be town. Docs heal mafias on accident all the time. Since no one was saved, it didn't quite matter who Renegade the Doc healed, other than the fact that Ash wasn't targeted by Mafia. Ash seems to make some observant posts at times, but he ends up not targeted? And not Martin who makes hella lotta effort in his posts. I did describe my scenario earlier: why would Auwt not push me if he was scum? Cuz it would put heat on Auwt, which is not good for scum. Martin does bring up good points about the power hunting. So I'm starting to suspect that Ash could be scum. Or atleast his targeting of me, while understandable, suggests a push. If he was really fair about this, he would have pushed Dallarian as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 680] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 03:24 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Damn... Auwt's damned. With damning evidence. And I was wondering whats up with him reading me as straight up Citizen and being contrarian to other reads. Auwt could be scum, but he also could be town. If Auwt really was Scum, would he really influence town to NOT lynch me? Wouldn't that bring more heat onto him? What role do you think I am? Also who do you think is a good person to visit on Night 2? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 681] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:25 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 No I will explain why did Renegade die (in my opinion). Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade Martin and Grakylan were in the overall scum list. No need to kill them. It leaves Ash, Dallarian, Renegade. Ash has been a strong town figure through all D1. He would obviously lure any protective role on him (which is by the way what I expected town protective to do.) It leaves Dallarian and Renegade. And thats how I came to a conclusion that since Renegade died, Dallarian has 2 options. First - He is scum so he would obviously not target himself. Second - He is a town and it was a 50/50 between Dallarian/Renegade. I didnt paint any of Dallarian and Renegade. If you still think its my fault, then I havent done my job here. You're forgetting Helltanis here. He was also made Null by you at #154. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 682] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok now that your mind is cleared up, can you list any reasons why you were raging? Understandably, Zedus being an asshole citizen pretending to be both a power role and a scum would cause a lot of rage on all of us. But is there something else causing your rage? We can help you with that. Just read my posts, I explained my feelings plenty. I was angry about a couple of things but most especially that people couldn’t see the danger of power role talk that I was warning about and it’s cost us a big one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 683] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 27th, 2020 03:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 My thoughts about Auwt after D1: Auwt played I would say rather peaceful Day 1. He was distanced from fights that occurred D1 and was questioning in search for information. I believe this allowed him to see the game in greater scale. He posted high quality content and wasn’t afraid of putting his thoughts which sometimes surprised people. There is literally no reason for me not to believe Auwt is Town. He played a perfect Town game to me and is easy choice to me for Town lead. And this is what worries me. He appears to play a very careful game and it is possible he tried not to slip as mafia. This may be either strong Town play, but I consider possibility if Auwt was playing such way because of being Mafia. There is one fact I find important. He is influentive person and his claims change the game. He reasonably supports his posts and is very convincing. Look at how many people considered voting bakermir in late D1. They could suspect him earlier, but Auwt’s vote was what made them consider changing their statement. It is just one of examples, I believe everyone is aware his reads influence other people’s reads, likely including me. I would like to promote people more openly speak what they think. There is nothing wrong with Auwt’s play and he looks fine for me,but I need to see where his actions go now. Don't tunnel your scum reads, and don't tunnel your town reads either. I've been burned way too many times from thinking "there's no way this person is scum" and it just gives them an easy win if they can just not rock the boat once they've achieved that town status. I also haven't explained why team Auwt/Martin could be a thing. But it is already too late for me. Also a lot of happend, I guess I will have a lot of work in the morning. Good night. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 684] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Gah, I need to stop raging, calm down and think. Anyhow, we are all feeling rage here, but we didn't express it out loud. Its like the godfather being the first to type "leads?" at beginning of day 2 in the mod, or being the first to type "fuck" or "f" when he knowingly led a town to a mislynch or shot mayor. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 685] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 03:32 PM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I feel like my read on protecting Martin and Grakylan are not welcomed by much. But please consider it to be my thought, if I had to make an ISO right now, Grakylan would be up in the town section. I dont know what to think of Martin pushing me right now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 686] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:32 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here's the amount of read lists that everyone has posted so far: Auwt: 1 (#154) Ash Lael: 4 (#50,#100,#249,#599) Bakermir: 1 (#120) (Admittedly, this makes Bakermir a bit suspicious) Dallarian: 3 (#157,#500,#628) Grakylan: 1 (#219) (hope for a new reads list soon? But this is the most recent read compared to Auwt and Bakermir) Helltanis: 1 (#446) Me: 5 (#43,#150,#244,#540,#623) Renegade (Dead): 3 (#63,#229,#506) Zedus (Dead): 1 (#507) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 687] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:33 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This: And this (the same thing): I am unsure if Ash already answered this. A lot of is happening. Sorry, lots of posts coming in and I keep having to go back and check what I missed. I was following a Process of Elimination strategy, which is popular among high level players. The idea is you have a certain number of mislynches you can get away with and a certain number of scum, so you can figure out how many lynches you have to work with. You basically put the most suspicious players in a box and the people you can confirm as townies out of it and you just systematically work your way through that list. Yes that list was guaranteed to include at least two townies. The point was that we have four lynches to work with (as long as we hit at least one scum), so if we could come up with a list of four people that included both scum, we would have a winning game plan. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 688] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This may be either strong Town play, but I consider possibility if Auwt was playing such way because of being Mafia. I also haven't explained why team Auwt/Martin could be a thing. But it is already too late for me. Listen, Mr. Dallarian. I have no doubts that Auwt is town. He went against the grain to say that Helltenis and I were straight up citizens. Thats not something mafia would do, they would have pushed to get them to mislynch me, or helltenis especially with his edits. Say it with me. Auwt is not a low-lying mafia. He is pure town. With how Martin is accusing Auwt of power hunting, which is a pretty serious offense, I doubt the two are a scum pair. Martin definitely could be scum: trying hard to push a confirmed town out. He talks a lot but does it mean anything? Is it actually credible? So two of those three are scum in my opinion: Dallarian, Ash, Martin. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 689] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 03:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyhow, we are all feeling rage here, but we didn't express it out loud. Its like the godfather being the first to type "leads?" at beginning of day 2 in the mod, or being the first to type "fuck" or "f" when he knowingly led a town to a mislynch or shot mayor. Why are you ignoring my question? I just want to move on cmon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 690] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 03:34 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You're forgetting Helltanis here. He was also made Null by you at #154. Come on, dont you think someone who is making a Town/Scum bias for everyone of us, who is getting his vote back in order to be waiting for a mentor, and who also wrote a post talking about "everyone having an extra 1 life" would be a scum. If you do so then, meh? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 691] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:35 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I dont know what to think of Martin pushing me right now. I know what I'm thinking. Martin is probably wary of the influence of your reads, and was trying to outtalk you. Now hes hoping to push you out hoping people forgot about you. We didn't forget. I certainly didn't. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 692] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 03:37 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Just read my posts, I explained my feelings plenty. I was angry about a couple of things but most especially that people couldn’t see the danger of power role talk that I was warning about and it’s cost us a big one. By the way, Zedus might have done this to save time for town. Mafia would have maybe go for him thinking him as a power role, and then "waste" a kill on a Citizen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 693] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 What role do you think I am? Also who do you think is a good person to visit on Night 2? Good question. To answer the first one: You are most likely Citizen. To answer the second one: That's bait. Should I answer, it would seem like condemning that guy to death. So I suppose without answering the second question, I can amend the answer to my first one: you could also be a non-visiting mafia role, should one exist. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 694] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:38 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 My thoughts about Auwt after D1: Auwt played I would say rather peaceful Day 1. He was distanced from fights that occurred D1 and was questioning in search for information. I believe this allowed him to see the game in greater scale. He posted high quality content and wasn’t afraid of putting his thoughts which sometimes surprised people. There is literally no reason for me not to believe Auwt is Town. He played a perfect Town game to me and is easy choice to me for Town lead. But that is one of the problems for me when considering Auwt. It seems people think of Auwt's good plays that look town, all they ever do is look at mid/early D1 before the Zedus debacle. Its like he did all of that then just decided to coast, stay with his reads, and occasionally pressure Bakermir. Thats it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 695] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:38 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 By the way, Zedus might have done this to save time for town. Mafia would have maybe go for him thinking him as a power role, and then "waste" a kill on a Citizen That's very much possible. He saw the limitless potential for a mafia-pushed mislynch on me or Helltenis. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 696] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:40 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 No I will explain why did Renegade die (in my opinion). Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade Martin and Grakylan were in the overall scum list. No need to kill them. It leaves Ash, Dallarian, Renegade. Ash has been a strong town figure through all D1. He would obviously lure any protective role on him (which is by the way what I expected town protective to do.) It leaves Dallarian and Renegade. And thats how I came to a conclusion that since Renegade died, Dallarian has 2 options. First - He is scum so he would obviously not target himself. Second - He is a town and it was a 50/50 between Dallarian/Renegade. I didnt paint any of Dallarian and Renegade. If you still think its my fault, then I havent done my job here. Why were *you* not a target for scum Auwt? Why do you not even consider you might have been a target for scum? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 697] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 03:41 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Listen, Mr. Dallarian. I have no doubts that Auwt is town. He went against the grain to say that Helltenis and I were straight up citizens. Thats not something mafia would do, they would have pushed to get them to mislynch me, or helltenis especially with his edits. Say it with me. Auwt is not a low-lying mafia. He is pure town. With how Martin is accusing Auwt of power hunting, which is a pretty serious offense, I doubt the two are a scum pair. Martin definitely could be scum: trying hard to push a confirmed town out. He talks a lot but does it mean anything? Is it actually credible? So two of those three are scum in my opinion: Dallarian, Ash, Martin. For real, this is an awesome post. At least you are the one (if not the only) pointing this, you have very good deducting skills because the way i see the game is exactly how you described it in this post. If i could townread you more than currently, I would. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 698] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:41 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I’ll believe it when I see it. Then go look for it. I went through the effort to find your questioning of my Auwt vote. Why can't you? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 699] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 03:44 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Why were *you* not a target for scum Auwt? Why do you not even consider you might have been a target for scum? Going on me would have solved absolutely nothing. With that in mind, if Mafia went for me all eyes wouldve been easily put on bakermir, who was not part of a train into a townie. And also since I'm being townread by most of people D1, I consider myself also as a strong town D1 figure, as you were(are?) Ash. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 700] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:44 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Why were *you* not a target for scum Auwt? Why do you not even consider you might have been a target for scum? Remember that our doc was Renegade. And he saw things a bit differently from us. He was a townie who believed in lynching people like me, and Auwt wasn't. So I could see how he could have duped himself into not healing Auwt. Scum felt safe shooting Renegade since they still have the influence to push the mislynch on the same people. Renegade was after all only a sheep. You shoot the sheep as scum, not the loudmouths, because shooting the loudmouths is too much attention. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 701] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also could I bring up attention to the beginning of Day 1. Page 4. Dallarian votes Auwt. Then a short while later, I vote Auwt. Both of us had pretty bogus reasons, but Ash goes up to question ME and ME only about my vote, and not Dallarian as well. Before you say "but le Renegade did heal Ash", I'm sorry to backtrack on my previous conclusion that Ash could be town. Docs heal mafias on accident all the time. Since no one was saved, it didn't quite matter who Renegade the Doc healed, other than the fact that Ash wasn't targeted by Mafia. Ash seems to make some observant posts at times, but he ends up not targeted? And not Martin who makes hella lotta effort in his posts. I did describe my scenario earlier: why would Auwt not push me if he was scum? Cuz it would put heat on Auwt, which is not good for scum. Martin does bring up good points about the power hunting. So I'm starting to suspect that Ash could be scum. Or atleast his targeting of me, while understandable, suggests a push. If he was really fair about this, he would have pushed Dallarian as well. The reason why I pushed you on your vote and not Dallarian is he gave his reason for his vote was that his vote was an obvious joke vote. It was clearly not a sincere attempt to lynch Auwt. In contrast, you explicitly said you wanted to lynch Auwt for no reason. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 702] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:48 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That's very much possible. He saw the limitless potential for a mafia-pushed mislynch on me or Helltenis. Just because Auwt didn't want to vote Zedus doesn't mean one of his mafia buddies did it for him on the basis of disagreement (don't forget, Mafia don't have a day chat so they couldn't coordinate on Day 1). Such as you, Grakylan (as a possibility for consideration, not definitive), who supported Auwt in his last read that only took 4 minutes to type from his last post (#219). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 703] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:48 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ugh, tried to rewrite that sentence and mangled it sorry. I meant to say his reason for voting Auwt was an obvious joke. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 704] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:50 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, it seems some people might've missed my proposed Tinfoil theory at #623, I'll repost it here. I got a tinfoil theroy (meaning: this is only considering something as a possiblility rather than whether it's probable) Because Dallarian brought up posts #100 to #200, I reevaluated there to see if I might've been wrong about something. That something quite possibly might be Awut's #154 reads post. There is a big issue with this that I missed: -This is his only reads post in 600-ish posts within the forum. He might've tried to seem important once so everyone would give him a pass for awhile, and therefore he's coasting under the radar. Maybe because Martin just cant. Dallarian has also been leading the discussion quite well. Null read. I do not know the role tho but I dont think he is Citizen at all, he knows he can bring something. -I failed to realize this in my past ISO, I should've scrutinized the writing more, but Auwt specifically suggesting that I am citizen can be a very bad thing. Its indirect power hunting, makes it more likely for the mafia to find the TPR's if he is correct by process of elimination. In that same reads list, he also suggests Dallarian is a citizen? Its just scummy to power hunt, one that I had been accused of at the start of this game. Keep in mind the first quote above is a response to Grakylan that was made within his reads post. He also suggests, again, that I am citizen at #160: I totally agree, but looks more like a lost Citizen than a scum trying to fool the game discussion -I also noticed that Awut's reads on #154 are fairly similar to the ones that Grakylan made at #219. See here (I am paraphrasing quite a fair bit here, though): Awut Reads: Ash Lael is town-leaning. Bakermir is scum-leaning. * Dallarian is Null. Grakylan is town-leaning. ~ Helltanis is Null. + Martin is town-leaning. Renegade is Null. + Zedus is Scum-leaning. * Now keep in mind, Grakylan posted about 65 posts after this. So some interactions have occured, such as Dallarian poking Awut and Zedus becoming more upset at me. Grakylan Reads: Auwt is town-leaning.~ Ash Lael is Null. Bakermir is definitely scum. * Dallarian is scum-leaning (because of interactions with Auwt?) Helltanis is Null. + Martin is either a town PR or a scum. (He doesn't seem to say or suggest this is a null read) Renegade is Null. + Zedus is definitely Scum. * I've made several symbols to point out certain things: ~They both town-lean each other. This could be townies supporting each other, or on the other side of the alignment. *Notice how these are just an increment increase in the suspicion of both? +These remained absolutely the same between each other. As one final note, remember that the #219 post by Grakylan was created in just four minutes. So, my tinfoil theory, with the evidence above is this: Is Auwt aligned with Grakylan, and if Grakylan is scum, does this incriminate Auwt? Any thoughts on the above tinfoil theory, anyone? Is it probable? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 705] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ugh, tried to rewrite that sentence and mangled it sorry. I meant to say his reason for voting Auwt was an obvious joke. Jokes fly over our head. Plus if it was a joke he probably would have unvoted pretty soon. But the fact that he kept his vote for many hours after he cast it and my whole messy introduction says wonders about Dallarian. Even with the context of the grudge, the vote stayed for a long time. That doesn't seem like a joke. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 706] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:53 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And what did I say about Dallarian being aggro for no reason? Always pushing Auwt as part of a grudge that isn't known to new players like me, and being cryptic when asked a question about said aggro-ness. The perfect answer would be to insert here a video (or link), but unfortunately it is against the rules, so I will just put it in a text form. Artanis: Do not presume to lecture me about my decisions, Tal'darim. Alarak: But. I so enjoy our exchanges. But idk who is who here. Its not a good look for Dallarian is all I'm saying. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 707] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:54 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, it seems some people might've missed my proposed Tinfoil theory at #623, I'll repost it here. I got a tinfoil theroy (meaning: this is only considering something as a possiblility rather than whether it's probable) Because Dallarian brought up posts #100 to #200, I reevaluated there to see if I might've been wrong about something. That something quite possibly might be Awut's #154 reads post. There is a big issue with this that I missed: -This is his only reads post in 600-ish posts within the forum. He might've tried to seem important once so everyone would give him a pass for awhile, and therefore he's coasting under the radar. -I failed to realize this in my past ISO, I should've scrutinized the writing more, but Auwt specifically suggesting that I am citizen can be a very bad thing. Its indirect power hunting, makes it more likely for the mafia to find the TPR's if he is correct by process of elimination. In that same reads list, he also suggests Dallarian is a citizen? Its just scummy to power hunt, one that I had been accused of at the start of this game. Keep in mind the first quote above is a response to Grakylan that was made within his reads post. He also suggests, again, that I am citizen at #160: -I also noticed that Awut's reads on #154 are fairly similar to the ones that Grakylan made at #219. See here (I am paraphrasing quite a fair bit here, though): Awut Reads: Ash Lael is town-leaning. Bakermir is scum-leaning. * Dallarian is Null. Grakylan is town-leaning. ~ Helltanis is Null. + Martin is town-leaning. Renegade is Null. + Zedus is Scum-leaning. * Now keep in mind, Grakylan posted about 65 posts after this. So some interactions have occured, such as Dallarian poking Awut and Zedus becoming more upset at me. Grakylan Reads: Auwt is town-leaning.~ Ash Lael is Null. Bakermir is definitely scum. * Dallarian is scum-leaning (because of interactions with Auwt?) Helltanis is Null. + Martin is either a town PR or a scum. (He doesn't seem to say or suggest this is a null read) Renegade is Null. + Zedus is definitely Scum. * I've made several symbols to point out certain things: ~They both town-lean each other. This could be townies supporting each other, or on the other side of the alignment. *Notice how these are just an increment increase in the suspicion of both? +These remained absolutely the same between each other. As one final note, remember that the #219 post by Grakylan was created in just four minutes. So, my tinfoil theory, with the evidence above is this: Is Auwt aligned with Grakylan, and if Grakylan is scum, does this incriminate Auwt? Any thoughts on the above tinfoil theory, anyone? Is it probable? Another alternative is Helltanis, as far as everyone's concerned, he hasn't popped up in awhile. Last activity at #476. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 708] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:54 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So, my tinfoil theory, with the evidence above is this: Is Auwt aligned with Grakylan, and if Grakylan is scum, does this incriminate Auwt? Of course we're aligned. We're town! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 709] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:55 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Another alternative is Helltanis, as far as everyone's concerned, he hasn't popped up in awhile. Last activity at #476. that much is true. Considering its his first time he must have forgotten the game even existed. I do want to hear from him however. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 710] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:56 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Honestly, i'll say what I feel right now here: I do highly suspect Auwt. But my push onto him seemed unexpected by him, and I thought his most likely scum teamate was grakylan. If he was scum, then he's sort of bussing Auwt now. But I feel confused and unsure as to who exactly could be the most likeliest scummate to Auwt other than these possiblities: Helltanis, Grakylan, Dallarian. But I dont know who. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 711] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 03:57 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I dont know what to think of Martin pushing me right now. Neither do I, to be honest. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 712] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 03:59 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt is the only lead I personally got, unless somehow its a Helltanis/Dallarian team. But it just feels like I dont have enough evidence to incriminate anyone other than Auwt. This is why I had to make it a tinfoil theory, it seems 100% plausible, but im unsure of the probability. If its not Auwt, then im at a complete loss as to who it really is. And maybe that's another one of my failures. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 713] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 03:59 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Neither do I, to be honest. Can I invest in the hedge fund? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 714] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 04:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Jokes fly over our head. Plus if it was a joke he probably would have unvoted pretty soon. But the fact that he kept his vote for many hours after he cast it and my whole messy introduction says wonders about Dallarian. Even with the context of the grudge, the vote stayed for a long time. That doesn't seem like a joke. I didn’t take it seriously. There was no heat on Auwt, there was no actual push coming with the vote... I just didn’t think anything of it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 715] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:00 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I suppose we could go back to Bakermir. I mean, we do have plenty of time to analyze him and let him prove himself town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 716] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 04:01 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 unless somehow its a Helltanis/Dallarian team. Honestly that seems very likely. My scum list has Dallarian. Yours has Dallarian. Idk what others have to think of Dallarian but seems the next hours won't be pretty for him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 717] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 04:02 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I didn’t take it seriously. There was no heat on Auwt, there was no actual push coming with the vote... I just didn’t think anything of it. Well I don't expect pushes to lynch early in day 1 either. Every lynch is random, and any push was only to get information. So I interpreted Dallarian's vote on Auwt like that under the guise of memery, cuz I did that plenty of times in the mod. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 718] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 04:02 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Another alternative is Helltanis, as far as everyone's concerned, he hasn't popped up in awhile. Last activity at #476. Didnt I post about it a bit earlier, i dont remember, everything is going very fast. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 719] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 04:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here's the amount of read lists that everyone has posted so far: Auwt: 1 (#154) Ash Lael: 4 (#50,#100,#249,#599) Bakermir: 1 (#120) (Admittedly, this makes Bakermir a bit suspicious) Dallarian: 3 (#157,#500,#628) Grakylan: 1 (#219) (hope for a new reads list soon? But this is the most recent read compared to Auwt and Bakermir) Helltanis: 1 (#446) Me: 5 (#43,#150,#244,#540,#623) Renegade (Dead): 3 (#63,#229,#506) Zedus (Dead): 1 (#507) I wanted to post more but it felt like I would reveal too much. Sadly we already lost our doc and a shittizen. But I will give you a tiny bit of what I am thinking; We have 2 possible invest claims between Dallarian and Grakylan. Auwt seems to go hard on protecting Grakylan. Grakylan gave the same read on Day One as Auwt, also voted Zedus up. Then canceled his vote at final hour and voted back up again. That is really suspicious to me with all the reads I have so far. Zedus/Bakermir idea was set by Auwt on #154. #154 and the facts there always looked artificial to me and it was copying #77 to some extent. It almost feels like Auwt tried to pocket Martin earlier and Dallarian indirectly. Auwt never suspected Grakylan's poorly constructed reads. You, Ren and Ash recognized it. I can talk about Auwt and Grakylan for too long but I still want to believe they are working for town and not their own agenda. Despite Grakylan claiming detective, I still can't trust the guy because of how he played the entire game. Auwt claims Grakylan is the biggest town read here. A lot of inconsistency with Auwt/Grakylan but at the same time they have been following each other. I would like to know if I am alone in these observations. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 720] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 04:04 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Of course we're aligned. We're town! Grakylan previous posts showed me the greatest town vibes I've ever had this game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 721] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 04:05 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Can I invest in the hedge fund? Lol fair. I came in breathing fire at Martin and then Auwt started acting scummy as heck (Seriously people: why does he automatically exclude himself from the scum’s possible kill options?), but the Martin push makes me think not aligned, but maybe they’re distancing, and... I just don’t know. I will do my best to sort through it all and come to a firm view. But right now I just don’t really know exactly what to think. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 722] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 04:05 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Of course we're aligned. We're town! like.. This really stinks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 723] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 04:06 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I wanted to post more but it felt like I would reveal too much. Sadly we already lost our doc and a shittizen. But I will give you a tiny bit of what I am thinking; We have 2 possible invest claims between Dallarian and Grakylan. Auwt seems to go hard on protecting Grakylan. Grakylan gave the same read on Day One as Auwt, also voted Zedus up. Then canceled his vote at final hour and voted back up again. That is really suspicious to me with all the reads I have so far. Zedus/Bakermir idea was set by Auwt on #154. #154 and the facts there always looked artificial to me and it was copying #77 to some extent. It almost feels like Auwt tried to pocket Martin earlier and Dallarian indirectly. Auwt never suspected Grakylan's poorly constructed reads. You, Ren and Ash recognized it. I can talk about Auwt and Grakylan for too long but I still want to believe they are working for town and not their own agenda. Despite Grakylan claiming detective, I still can't trust the guy because of how he played the entire game. Auwt claims Grakylan is the biggest town read here. A lot of inconsistency with Auwt/Grakylan but at the same time they have been following each other. I would like to know if I am alone in these observations. Mafia revealing D2 is such a trappy situation. I believe mafia scums are still trying to distance themselves but not too much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 724] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 04:07 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, it seems some people might've missed my proposed Tinfoil theory at #623, I'll repost it here. I got a tinfoil theroy (meaning: this is only considering something as a possiblility rather than whether it's probable) Because Dallarian brought up posts #100 to #200, I reevaluated there to see if I might've been wrong about something. That something quite possibly might be Awut's #154 reads post. There is a big issue with this that I missed: -This is his only reads post in 600-ish posts within the forum. He might've tried to seem important once so everyone would give him a pass for awhile, and therefore he's coasting under the radar. -I failed to realize this in my past ISO, I should've scrutinized the writing more, but Auwt specifically suggesting that I am citizen can be a very bad thing. Its indirect power hunting, makes it more likely for the mafia to find the TPR's if he is correct by process of elimination. In that same reads list, he also suggests Dallarian is a citizen? Its just scummy to power hunt, one that I had been accused of at the start of this game. Keep in mind the first quote above is a response to Grakylan that was made within his reads post. He also suggests, again, that I am citizen at #160: -I also noticed that Awut's reads on #154 are fairly similar to the ones that Grakylan made at #219. See here (I am paraphrasing quite a fair bit here, though): Awut Reads: Ash Lael is town-leaning. Bakermir is scum-leaning. * Dallarian is Null. Grakylan is town-leaning. ~ Helltanis is Null. + Martin is town-leaning. Renegade is Null. + Zedus is Scum-leaning. * Now keep in mind, Grakylan posted about 65 posts after this. So some interactions have occured, such as Dallarian poking Awut and Zedus becoming more upset at me. Grakylan Reads: Auwt is town-leaning.~ Ash Lael is Null. Bakermir is definitely scum. * Dallarian is scum-leaning (because of interactions with Auwt?) Helltanis is Null. + Martin is either a town PR or a scum. (He doesn't seem to say or suggest this is a null read) Renegade is Null. + Zedus is definitely Scum. * I've made several symbols to point out certain things: ~They both town-lean each other. This could be townies supporting each other, or on the other side of the alignment. *Notice how these are just an increment increase in the suspicion of both? +These remained absolutely the same between each other. As one final note, remember that the #219 post by Grakylan was created in just four minutes. So, my tinfoil theory, with the evidence above is this: Is Auwt aligned with Grakylan, and if Grakylan is scum, does this incriminate Auwt? Any thoughts on the above tinfoil theory, anyone? Is it probable? At the moment, I feel like it’s certainly plausible. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 725] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:08 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Jokes fly over our head. Plus if it was a joke he probably would have unvoted pretty soon. But the fact that he kept his vote for many hours after he cast it and my whole messy introduction says wonders about Dallarian. Even with the context of the grudge, the vote stayed for a long time. That doesn't seem like a joke. I'll check this. This sort of chceks out. Dallarian casts initial vote at #67, and unvotes it at #89. A whole IRL day passes in that time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 726] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'll check this. This sort of chceks out. Dallarian casts initial vote at #67, and unvotes it at #89. A whole IRL day passes in that time. CORRECTION: 5 hours pass. The search function is a bit funky to look at. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 727] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 04:10 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 At the moment, I feel like it’s certainly plausible. Just to know, If Grakylan and I, are different alignment, who would you team me with, who would you team Grakylan with? Grakylan is on most scum read list. Auwt is(was/still idk) on most town read list. We are hurting a big wall right here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 728] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 04:11 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, it seems some people might've missed my proposed Tinfoil theory at #623, I'll repost it here. I got a tinfoil theroy (meaning: this is only considering something as a possiblility rather than whether it's probable) Because Dallarian brought up posts #100 to #200, I reevaluated there to see if I might've been wrong about something. That something quite possibly might be Awut's #154 reads post. There is a big issue with this that I missed: -This is his only reads post in 600-ish posts within the forum. He might've tried to seem important once so everyone would give him a pass for awhile, and therefore he's coasting under the radar. -I failed to realize this in my past ISO, I should've scrutinized the writing more, but Auwt specifically suggesting that I am citizen can be a very bad thing. Its indirect power hunting, makes it more likely for the mafia to find the TPR's if he is correct by process of elimination. In that same reads list, he also suggests Dallarian is a citizen? Its just scummy to power hunt, one that I had been accused of at the start of this game. Keep in mind the first quote above is a response to Grakylan that was made within his reads post. He also suggests, again, that I am citizen at #160: -I also noticed that Awut's reads on #154 are fairly similar to the ones that Grakylan made at #219. See here (I am paraphrasing quite a fair bit here, though): Awut Reads: Ash Lael is town-leaning. Bakermir is scum-leaning. * Dallarian is Null. Grakylan is town-leaning. ~ Helltanis is Null. + Martin is town-leaning. Renegade is Null. + Zedus is Scum-leaning. * Now keep in mind, Grakylan posted about 65 posts after this. So some interactions have occured, such as Dallarian poking Awut and Zedus becoming more upset at me. Grakylan Reads: Auwt is town-leaning.~ Ash Lael is Null. Bakermir is definitely scum. * Dallarian is scum-leaning (because of interactions with Auwt?) Helltanis is Null. + Martin is either a town PR or a scum. (He doesn't seem to say or suggest this is a null read) Renegade is Null. + Zedus is definitely Scum. * I've made several symbols to point out certain things: ~They both town-lean each other. This could be townies supporting each other, or on the other side of the alignment. *Notice how these are just an increment increase in the suspicion of both? +These remained absolutely the same between each other. As one final note, remember that the #219 post by Grakylan was created in just four minutes. So, my tinfoil theory, with the evidence above is this: Is Auwt aligned with Grakylan, and if Grakylan is scum, does this incriminate Auwt? Any thoughts on the above tinfoil theory, anyone? Is it probable? These were my exact thoughts lately. I had the Auwt/Grakylan duo in my head on Day One but there were many other variables. Either way, I am happy to see that I am not the only one noticing Auwt/Grakylan duo. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 729] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 04:11 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'll check this. This sort of chceks out. Dallarian casts initial vote at #67, and unvotes it at #89. A whole IRL day passes in that time. Do not take Dallarian's first vote seriously, if I have to explain why did he do this I will, just ask me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 730] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:12 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Mafia revealing D2 is such a trappy situation. I believe mafia scums are still trying to distance themselves but not too much. This kind of implicates Grakylan since I was already suspecting him a bit....Only on SoD2, when I try to push my tinfoil theory does he start to consider evidence against you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 731] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:13 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 These were my exact thoughts lately. I had the Auwt/Grakylan duo in my head on Day One but there were many other variables. Either way, I am happy to see that I am not the only one noticing Auwt/Grakylan duo. That feels like an oppertunistic comment, but I can see you catching it that early considering that you were active around that time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 732] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:16 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Lol fair. I came in breathing fire at Martin and then Auwt started acting scummy as heck (Seriously people: why does he automatically exclude himself from the scum’s possible kill options?), but the Martin push makes me think not aligned, but maybe they’re distancing, and... I just don’t know. I will do my best to sort through it all and come to a firm view. But right now I just don’t really know exactly what to think. Just remember that we have 46 hours left. If you need to take a few hours off to clear your mind about it, that's fine. I think most people here trust you more than anyone else, including me. I've even town locked you. Whichever decision you come to, im sure you would have given your best thoughts and effort about it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 733] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 04:16 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That feels like an oppertunistic comment, but I can see you catching it that early considering that you were active around that time. Check my previous posts. They were written without reading your Tinfoil Theory and that last comment was made after reading it. I hope that proves my genuine thoughts on this theory. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 734] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 04:19 PM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Please Dallarian if you really are some town investigative, put your clue on the table. We would need some power help, coming from EVERY side -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 735] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 04:20 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Just to know, If Grakylan and I, are different alignment, who would you team me with, who would you team Grakylan with? Grakylan is on most scum read list. Auwt is(was/still idk) on most town read list. We are hurting a big wall right here. If I had to put you on a scum team with someone it would be Martin. His push on you looks pre planned, and If you two are a team you wouldn’t have anticipated getting heat from other players as well this early and would have thought it safe to do a bit of distancing. I also really need to think through my stance on Grak. His claim is a big deal and we’ve all been sort of brushing over it. There are a lot of implications to be considered. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 736] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 04:22 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Just remember that we have 46 hours left. If you need to take a few hours off to clear your mind about it, that's fine. I think most people here trust you more than anyone else, including me. I've even town locked you. Whichever decision you come to, im sure you would have given your best thoughts and effort about it. Yeah, you’re right. Ok. MartinGG99 You’re still on my shit list but I just flipped out when I saw the doctor kill. Rationality says this is not the time for voting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 737] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:23 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Check my previous posts. They were written without reading your Tinfoil Theory and that last comment was made after reading it. I hope that proves my genuine thoughts on this theory. I might've missed it as I did a quick skim, but i did find a D1 post where you talked or mentioned about Grakylan and his "scumplay". So i'll definitely take your word for it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 738] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 04:23 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Please Dallarian if you really are some town investigative, put your clue on the table. We would need some power help, coming from EVERY side This would help a lot. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 739] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 27th, 2020 04:24 PM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway, I will leave it like this for now, getting late. Do not go on a hammer 30 min train like it was done D1. Thanks gnight -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 740] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:27 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, lets not forget, Zedus was a citizen and I believe Bakermir was one of the first people to believe he was Town. He even tried to converse with him and explain to him that his toxic tone was ruining his arguments. I think because of the d1 lynch, Bakermir is definitely not scummy. Lets also not forget that Bakermir is the person that Auwt wanted to lynch on EoD1. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 741] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 04:28 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Remember that our doc was Renegade. And he saw things a bit differently from us. He was a townie who believed in lynching people like me, and Auwt wasn't. So I could see how he could have duped himself into not healing Auwt. Scum felt safe shooting Renegade since they still have the influence to push the mislynch on the same people. Renegade was after all only a sheep. You shoot the sheep as scum, not the loudmouths, because shooting the loudmouths is too much attention. An overt defence of Auwt from Grakylan here that doesn’t answer the question: Why doesn’t Auwt even *consider* the possibility of scum targeting him? And why don’t *you* consider that a question that needs to be answered? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 742] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:29 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 This would help a lot. You know what, I even slightly agree. Because fact is, Auwt called me as citizen -- for the sake of argument I'll admit he was 100% right about me. I am citizen. So if he's scum, and called out all the citizens correctly, then there's no point in the TPRs hiding. Because they're already known to the mafia. But this does seem slightly risky to do. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 743] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:31 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 You know what, I even slightly agree. Because fact is, Auwt called me as citizen -- for the sake of argument I'll admit he was 100% right about me. I am citizen. So if he's scum, and called out all the citizens correctly, then there's no point in the TPRs hiding. Because they're already known to the mafia. But this does seem slightly risky to do. Heck, if we were to go through with this, it may be safer just to claim "TPR" and leave at that. Then they'll have to risk veteran or whoever. But that doesn't mean its not risky as hell if my suspicions are wrong. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 744] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 04:32 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And why don’t *you* consider that a question that needs to be answered? I said it already: Auwt is a loudmouth. And a very solid one at that. The strat scum could be employing is to shoot the sheep. A lion cant find against two wolves if he doesnt have a group of sheep to trample them. Scum can coordinate a lynch on a town mouthpiece once all the townies that are following are gone, making it easier for confirmed towns to be lynched, and harder for scum, who may become more overt as the game goes on, to get lynched. Renegade followed popular opinion, not forming it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 745] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 04:32 PM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway, I will leave it like this for now, getting late. Do not go on a hammer 30 min train like it was done D1. Thanks gnight And he leaves without answering why he left himself off the list of possible kill targets. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 746] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:34 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If I had to put you on a scum team with someone it would be Martin. His push on you looks pre planned, and If you two are a team you wouldn’t have anticipated getting heat from other players as well this early and would have thought it safe to do a bit of distancing. I also really need to think through my stance on Grak. His claim is a big deal and we’ve all been sort of brushing over it. There are a lot of implications to be considered. But here's a fact if he is scum, and I am scum teamed with him: We lynch a scum. That isn't a mislynch. If im scum then I kill 1 person tonight. That still leaves 1 mafia against 4 towns. And it'll take at 2 mislynches to lose at that point. It might even be worth lynching me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 747] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:40 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I said it already: Auwt is a loudmouth. And a very solid one at that. Im sorry? He is loud mouthed for being the 2nd lowest person on the post count for day 1? My #623 post had the post count for day 1. You were #1 lowest poster I believe, and Auwt was second, at 39 posts in the entirety of day 1. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 748] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 04:48 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh and Helltanis, the town is going to need your participation. You've been inactive for a fair bit and we'll need your contribution to the discussions if you can do that. I would understand if you're very busy, but if you are please try to give an estimate as to when you're not busy and will be able to contribute. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 749] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 04:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good question. To answer the first one: You are most likely Citizen. To answer the second one: That's bait. Should I answer, it would seem like condemning that guy to death. So I suppose without answering the second question, I can amend the answer to my first one: you could also be a non-visiting mafia role, should one exist. Ok, so Grak is claiming detective, and that he cleared bakemir. So let’s work through the various possibilities. 1) It’s a real claim. Grak and bakemir are both town. 2) Grak is a fakeclaiming scum, and bakemir is town. In this case Grak is just trying to claim a power role to take heat off himself. 3) Grak is scum and trying to clear both himself and his scum partner. 4) some insane bullshit where Grak is vanilla town fakeclaiming a power role like Zedus was. I’m trying to hold all 4 possibilities in my head as I read and assess what is plausible in those scenarios. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 750] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 04:53 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But here's a fact if he is scum, and I am scum teamed with him: We lynch a scum. That isn't a mislynch. If im scum then I kill 1 person tonight. That still leaves 1 mafia against 4 towns. And it'll take at 2 mislynches to lose at that point. It might even be worth lynching me. I don’t understand what you’re saying here. What perspective are you talking from? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 751] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 05:04 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don’t understand what you’re saying here. What perspective are you talking from? How about I put it this way: For the sake of argument, lets assume Auwt and I are Scum. D2: We lynch Auwt. He flips scum. N2: I kill a townie D3: With 5 players left, and 1 mafia left, this means its 4v1. Since mafia need this to win (according to setup): "Mafia: Have 1 Mafia alive and eliminate all Town & Neutral Evil." This means we can afford to mislynch 1 more time, then we get to Lylo, where if there is a 2nd mislynch, the remaining mafia (me) kills the last townie (I had to correct my statement a bit here). So, ideally, if you're worried about me, we can afford the mislynch on me: D3: Martin is lynched. He flips mafia. This means we win. However, if i'm town, then: N3: Mafia kills a townie D4: We're down to 3 players. Two of them are town. One of them mafia. It's Lylo. However, if we don't lynch a mafia member today (D2), then: N2: One of two mafias kill. N3: 5 players are left. Two of them are mafia, 3 of them are town. In for town to win, they would have to win a Lylo situation twice in a row. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 752] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 05:10 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So, because of this situation above, if you truly believe that I am scum team with Auwt, then I suggest you lynch Auwt first. Alternatively, we could lynch me first. But since I know I am town (and in a past post I admitted I am citizen for the sake of arguing reasonable concern about Auwt's citizen guesses), I can't really say lynch me today because then the next day we'll be at Lylo. And next suspect I imagine would indeed by Auwt, and if he's somehow town after all that indirect power hunting....it's game over for us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 753] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 05:12 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And next suspect I imagine would indeed by Auwt, and if he's somehow town after all that indirect power hunting....it's game over for us. Alternatively Awut is lynched and flips scum, but then we would need a fair bit of debate as to who his scum teammate was, since in that scenario I am already dead. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 754] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 05:38 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How about I put it this way: For the sake of argument, lets assume Auwt and I are Scum. D2: We lynch Auwt. He flips scum. N2: I kill a townie D3: With 5 players left, and 1 mafia left, this means its 4v1. Since mafia need this to win (according to setup): "Mafia: Have 1 Mafia alive and eliminate all Town & Neutral Evil." This means we can afford to mislynch 1 more time, then we get to Lylo, where if there is a 2nd mislynch, the remaining mafia (me) kills the last townie (I had to correct my statement a bit here). So, ideally, if you're worried about me, we can afford the mislynch on me: D3: Martin is lynched. He flips mafia. This means we win. However, if i'm town, then: N3: Mafia kills a townie D4: We're down to 3 players. Two of them are town. One of them mafia. It's Lylo. However, if we don't lynch a mafia member today (D2), then: N2: One of two mafias kill. N3: 5 players are left. Two of them are mafia, 3 of them are town. In for town to win, they would have to win a Lylo situation twice in a row. Ok I see what you’re saying now. Process of elimination stuff. I gotta say I’m really thrown by your professed (relative) willingness to be lynched yourself. If you are scum you’re playing a really ballsy game. Like this could all be a push to get Auwt mislynched, and then you sacrifice yourself in lylo and your still-hidden partner goes on to win in f3... but as I said, ballsy. I really struggle with you Martin. I swing from being certain you’re scum to being in all kinds of doubt and conflict over it and then I swing back again. It’s killing me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 755] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 05:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So are you, as a townie, saying you are willing to be mislynched as long as Auwt goes down too? Your confidence in your scum read of him is that strong? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 756] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:01 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So are you, as a townie, saying you are willing to be mislynched as long as Auwt goes down too? Your confidence in your scum read of him is that strong? Its only that strong because i don't know who else it could be. I feel if its grak, then he must be teamed with Auwt. It can't be you (well technically it can as a possibility, but my sense of probability says its impossible) I feel it can't be Bakermir given the Zedus debacle, and that Auwt is trying to push him. I just don't see any good partners for him (unless helltanis). Helltanis is the wildcard here. He could be a bad afk townie or not. But his initial posts seemed authentic to me in terms of being absolutely new to Mafia. Also he was voted for by Grak once (who is among my suspicions) Dallarian could be scum, but if he were it's likely he would be teamed with Helltanis I feel. Plus it just seems like Auwt and Dallarian just cannot be of the same alignment at times, though this is sort of a gut feeling. In terms of evidence for scum, I only see it being strong enough for Grak and Auwt. Townies, like me, can and/or have made mistakes. I feel the others, for their suspicious activities, either were just mistakes or simply disagreements on playstyle. So yes, i'd be willing to be mislynched the next day if Auwt is flipped scum. And with me out of the picture on Lylo, I hope you can lead the rest of the town to the lynching of Auwt's most likely scum teamate. (Which, for me, is Grak). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 757] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 27th, 2020 06:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 As from last night. Helltanis has been replaced by Drizzt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 758] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 06:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I’m trying to think of a reason, in a scum Grak/town bakemir world, why they would claim a green check on bakemir specifically. One possible answer is to discredit the person who has been pushing that slot the hardest, which is obviously Auwt. So with Martin’s planned, concerted push on Auwt, there’s an argument for a Grak/Martin team. I don’t know how plausible that world is, considering how day one went, but still. However there’s another player that came in with an intent to cast doubt on Auwt and that’s Dallarian. He then dipped and allowed the loud voices of myself and Martin to take over but... maybe we’re all three just townies being manipulated into fighting each other and the real team is Grak/Dallarian. That feels a bit reachy, but Dallarian has been flying under the radar a lot after what seemed like a strong start and his reads have been pretty inconsistent... And then there’s Helltanis who still hasn’t even posted today. Gah. There’s too many possibilities to consider and my brain is frying. I need some way to rule out some worlds. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 759] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:09 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I really struggle with you Martin. I swing from being certain you’re scum to being in all kinds of doubt and conflict over it and then I swing back again. It’s killing me. If anything, unless you got a really good town (as a team), I feel and think the process of actually catching scum is always going to be a roller coaster in FM. This is a game of behavioral analysis. WIFOM can occur anywhere, and it often penetrates us most when we're on the cusp of winning or losing. Thankfully though, we have quite a bit of time before we have to come to terms with our choice today. There is also the option of lynching no one today, in which case mafia kill one person. It'll be 6 players, 2 mafia and 4 town. It'll be MyLo, and you can skip that too, where mafia will kill again, but the next day will be Lylo. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 760] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 As from last night. Helltanis has been replaced by Drizzt Thank you for the info. I hope Drizzt will be able to catch up to speed by mid D2. That way we can have discussions with him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 761] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 27th, 2020 06:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hey all, So where we at? Martin is susp as fuck imo. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 762] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:16 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I’m trying to think of a reason, in a scum Grak/town bakemir world, why they would claim a green check on bakemir specifically. One possible answer is to discredit the person who has been pushing that slot the hardest, which is obviously Auwt. So with Martin’s planned, concerted push on Auwt, there’s an argument for a Grak/Martin team. I don’t know how plausible that world is, considering how day one went, but still. However there’s another player that came in with an intent to cast doubt on Auwt and that’s Dallarian. He then dipped and allowed the loud voices of myself and Martin to take over but... maybe we’re all three just townies being manipulated into fighting each other and the real team is Grak/Dallarian. That feels a bit reachy, but Dallarian has been flying under the radar a lot after what seemed like a strong start and his reads have been pretty inconsistent... And then there’s Helltanis who still hasn’t even posted today. Gah. There’s too many possibilities to consider and my brain is frying. I need some way to rule out some worlds. Well there's an option to lynch Grakylan, and if he's scum then that'll disprove the Martin/Auwt combo. Originally I had planned/wished for this, and I think I suggest it in my #623 post. But now looking at how Auwt/Grak reacted, and your ideas on the situation, it seemed better to lynch Auwt. Also don't miss the post that SJ just did about Helltanis being replaced by Drizzt. But in the event of a Grak/Dallarian combo, we can lynch grak, mislynch Auwt, then at Lylo just lynch Dallarian. Or the other way around, and lynch Grak, then Dallarian, then Auwt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 763] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 06:18 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If anything, unless you got a really good town (as a team), I feel and think the process of actually catching scum is always going to be a roller coaster in FM. This is a game of behavioral analysis. WIFOM can occur anywhere, and it often penetrates us most when we're on the cusp of winning or losing. Thankfully though, we have quite a bit of time before we have to come to terms with our choice today. There is also the option of lynching no one today, in which case mafia kill one person. It'll be 6 players, 2 mafia and 4 town. It'll be MyLo, and you can skip that too, where mafia will kill again, but the next day will be Lylo. That just feels horrible. We lose two clearish townies and are guaranteed to keep both the scum and the most tempting mislynches alive. ...wait a second. Why have you kept talking about me guiding town to victory in lylo? If you think I’m such an asset to town, and we no longer have a doctor, why wouldn’t you expect me to be night killed? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 764] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hey all, So where we at? Martin is susp as fuck imo. You might want to read the whole thread, and maybe skip the Zedus stuff that happens roughly in the range of mid #200-late #400 (since its mostly toxic) Replacing Helltanis and then accusing me as sus, while suggesting you haven't read the thread, isn't a good look imo. I'm sus for reasons that you could've gotten from the thread. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 765] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 06:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hey all, So where we at? Martin is susp as fuck imo. Hey man. How caught up are you and what are your reads on everyone else? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 766] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:20 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That just feels horrible. We lose two clearish townies and are guaranteed to keep both the scum and the most tempting mislynches alive. ...wait a second. Why have you kept talking about me guiding town to victory in lylo? If you think I’m such an asset to town, and we no longer have a doctor, why wouldn’t you expect me to be night killed? Wait, you're right about that. I idd'nt think about you being killed. I was stuck in math calculation mode from counting the number of townies to mafia, and how many mislynches till Mylo or Lylo, and etc. Sorry about that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 767] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:22 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Wait, you're right about that. I idd'nt think about you being killed. I was stuck in math calculation mode from counting the number of townies to mafia, and how many mislynches till Mylo or Lylo, and etc. Sorry about that. This is why discussion is important, it helps account for stuff I may miss. Hence my proposal of a tinfoil theory that I was initially unsure about. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 768] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 27th, 2020 06:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You might want to read the whole thread, and maybe skip the Zedus stuff that happens roughly in the range of mid #200-late #400 (since its mostly toxic) Replacing Helltanis and then accusing me as sus, while suggesting you haven't read the thread, isn't a good look imo. I'm sus for reasons that you could've gotten from the thread. Just seeing who reacts to the accusation. I believe you are town. Only read three pages back. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 769] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:28 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Just seeing who reacts to the accusation. I believe you are town. Only read three pages back. Nice play then, I honestly though you might've been actually foolish lol. That's a relief. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 770] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 06:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So with Martin’s planned, concerted push on Auwt, there’s an argument for a Grak/Martin team. I'm paired with Martin when I'm defending Auwt from Martin? Makes me think. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 771] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 27th, 2020 06:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash came to your defense pretty quick, w/e that means. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 772] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 06:32 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm paired with Martin when I'm defending Auwt from Martin? Makes me think. Lol, you think I’m dumb enough to think scum never play both sides of an argument? That’s what they usually do. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 773] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 06:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash came to your defense pretty quick, w/e that means. LOL. I did not. I wanted to know your thoughts in more depth. Martin is absolutely suspicious in my book. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 774] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 06:35 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 However there’s another player that came in with an intent to cast doubt on Auwt and that’s Dallarian. He then dipped and allowed the loud voices of myself and Martin to take over but... maybe we’re all three just townies being manipulated into fighting each other and the real team is Grak/Dallarian. Dallarian was talking a lot Day 1 and he suddenly became a lot less active. Not sure if busy or if something is up. But you know my opinion on Dallarian already. Read post 706. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 775] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 06:35 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash came to your defense pretty quick, w/e that means. Well, what do you think it means? Please list off the possibilities. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 776] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 06:36 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Dallarian was talking a lot Day 1 and he suddenly became a lot less active. Not sure if busy or if something is up. But you know my opinion on Dallarian already. Read post 706. I never know your opinion on anyone from one post to the next. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 777] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Martin is absolutely suspicious in my book. Call it a long history in this game, Drizzt, because I garuntee you half or more of my posts have been direct to Ash. :laugh: I've been agonizing him with my townie mistakes, some of them rightfully suspicious :sad: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 778] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 27th, 2020 06:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, what do you think it means? Please list off the possibilities. Well, the way Martin talks "I know I'm town" that is typical saying I use when I'm town. I rarely use it as a defense when I'm a baddie. His quick reply could mean he wants to be seen challenging me on accusing martin, or he could have genuinely been susp of Martin and wanted to see if my reasoning matched his. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 779] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:40 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Dallarian was talking a lot Day 1 and he suddenly became a lot less active. Not sure if busy or if something is up. He mentioned being busy towards mid/late d1, before we got near EoD. I don't know if it still stands. But for the past few hours it's been nighttime in the EU, so he probably wont be active for a bit. All he could spend on SoD2 was about 2 hours, normally he gets off (for my time) around 6PM. D2 started at 5PM today. So he really couldn't stay around for long. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 780] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 06:41 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I believe our mathematician miscalculated the town odds on #759 IF we lynch a townie today, we will be 2 maf versus 3 town and someone will die. We will be 2 vs 2 tomorrow and the game ends. If we don't lynch anyone today we will be 2 maf versus 3 town on Day Three. These 2 are the most possible outcomes. Unless town power does some clutches tonight or tomorrow night. Just as I clear you in my head, simply because your correct observation on majority of people here... This post makes me doubt it all. Or did I understand your game plan wrong? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 781] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 06:41 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 MartinGG99 ^ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 782] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 06:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 He mentioned being busy towards mid/late d1, before we got near EoD. I don't know if it still stands. But for the past few hours it's been nighttime in the EU, so he probably wont be active for a bit. All he could spend on SoD2 was about 2 hours, normally he gets off (for my time) around 6PM. D2 started at 5PM today. So he really couldn't stay around for long. Understandable. So a false alarm. Theres still other reasons to be suspicious of Dallarian however. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 783] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 06:44 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hey all, So where we at? Martin is susp as fuck imo. Welcome Drizzt, Can you please elaborate? You have replaced a low input slot and I don't see any difference. You will continue to be seen scummy if you don't correct that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 784] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:46 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I believe our mathematician miscalculated the town odds on #759 IF we lynch a townie today, we will be 2 maf versus 3 town and someone will die. We will be 2 vs 2 tomorrow and the game ends. If we don't lynch anyone today we will be 2 maf versus 3 town on Day Three. These 2 are the most possible outcomes. Unless town power does some clutches tonight or tomorrow night. Just as I clear you in my head, simply because your correct observation on majority of people here... This post makes me doubt it all. Or did I understand your game plan wrong? But this game started with 9 people. Only two have died, Renegade and Zedus. So that means we have 7 players. If we don't lynch, then that's 1 townie killed by mafia over night, leaving 6 people. 2 mafia, 4 town. If, on that day after the no-lynch, we mislynch, we will lose because that'll be 2 more townies dead by the next day, leaving it at 2v2. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 785] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But this game started with 9 people. Only two have died, Renegade and Zedus. So that means we have 7 players. If we don't lynch, then that's 1 townie killed by mafia over night, leaving 6 people. 2 mafia, 4 town. If, on that day after the no-lynch, we mislynch, we will lose because that'll be 2 more townies dead by the next day, leaving it at 2v2. I fail to see where the miscalculation is. I think i've mentioned every possiblity and calculated them correctly on #759 and #751. Maybe you misread somehwere or misunderstood me? That's fine if you did, we all make mistakes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 786] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 06:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But this game started with 9 people. Only two have died, Renegade and Zedus. So that means we have 7 players. If we don't lynch, then that's 1 townie killed by mafia over night, leaving 6 people. 2 mafia, 4 town. If, on that day after the no-lynch, we mislynch, we will lose because that'll be 2 more townies dead by the next day, leaving it at 2v2. sorry I got confused. You are right. IF we lynch a townie today = we will enter n2 with 2 maf 4 townies. 1 of the townies will die at night and we will start Day Two with 3 townies. we can be confident in lynching today -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 787] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 06:50 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Still need more input from Drizzt and Dallarian -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 788] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 06:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Welcome Drizzt, Can you please elaborate? You have replaced a low input slot and I don't see any difference. You will continue to be seen scummy if you don't correct that. Hell, he responded 4 minutes after I asked him a question and was already testing Martin. Hes prob trying to inherit helltenis' citizen role. But we do need to keep eyes on Drizzt's synergy with other players NOW. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 789] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 06:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You know what, now is a really good time to ISO Helltenis. I will do it if no one else will. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 790] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 06:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You know what, now is a really good time to ISO Helltenis. I will do it if no one else will. That would be great if you do because I am currently on a DND sesh at the same time. I will drop some information here once I am done with that later on. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 791] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 06:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am still following the discussion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 792] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You know what, now is a really good time to ISO Helltenis. I will do it if no one else will. I ISO'ed him at #540. Beyond when he stopped posting and probably was going to get replaced. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 793] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 06:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I ISO'ed him at #540. Beyond when he stopped posting and probably was going to get replaced. Although note that at that time I town-leaned him, right now as of my last reads list at #623, he's a null. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 794] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 07:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Has anyone else noticed that Grak today is almost like a completely different person, by the way? Day one he was, in his own words, a headless chicken. Today he’s come in with confident reads and a clear agenda. It’s almost like he spent the night phase chatting with someone and formulating a strategy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 795] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 07:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Has anyone else noticed that Grak today is almost like a completely different person, by the way? Day one he was, in his own words, a headless chicken. Today he’s come in with confident reads and a clear agenda. It’s almost like he spent the night phase chatting with someone and formulating a strategy. That, or he's trying to get Helltanis/Drizzt pinned because he knows he's been caught. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 796] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 07:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 In which case, its actually a both -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 797] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 07:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Has anyone else noticed that Grak today is almost like a completely different person, by the way? Day one he was, in his own words, a headless chicken. Today he’s come in with confident reads and a clear agenda. It’s almost like he spent the night phase chatting with someone and formulating a strategy. Actually, i hate to be an advocate for the devil, but people have had mentors during this game. He has one, I believe. So its possible they may have chatted with the mentor, but they aren't suppose to act like puppets for mentors. Super Jack can see the mentor chats, so I'm assuming its not likely he talked that much in detail with his mentor. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 798] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 07:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually, i hate to be an advocate for the devil, but people have had mentors during this game. He has one, I believe. So its possible they may have chatted with the mentor, but they aren't suppose to act like puppets for mentors. Super Jack can see the mentor chats, so I'm assuming its not likely he talked that much in detail with his mentor. So i'd say its still likely he had a night chat, just not with the mentor. But i felt it important to be honest and clear about the facts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 799] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 07:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Has anyone else noticed that Grak today is almost like a completely different person, by the way? Day one he was, in his own words, a headless chicken. Today he’s come in with confident reads and a clear agenda. It’s almost like he spent the night phase chatting with someone and formulating a strategy. 24 hours of uninterrupted time to read 30 pages does wonders. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 800] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 07:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 anyhow, my ISO on helltenis Do we all have 1 life from bad guys attck? If hes a genuine noob he may have actually been citizen. Or he was mafia killer and was overwhelmed by the amount of citizens. I am Helltanis I ve been summoned here to bring the hell fleet to the heavens and execute all those who oppose me and my fellow citizens so that justice may be served Breadcrumbing as cit Anyway if there are investigators let investigators invest and I pay attention to suspicious behaviour. There shall be justice Ditto. Stating the obvious as if he doesnt want to be seen as totally quiet. Could be a lil sus. Yo Dallarian you feeling suspicious now? Hehe Post 106 (page 6). Not clear what hes referencing. This was after Dallarian voting Auwt and referencing a SC2 scene. Ah I just wait for a mentor... The edited post. This was originally a vote for Martin. Did his mentor pull the strings? I d be survivor that way I can get clues if evildoers and possible townies were I could possibly side with possibly a response to martin's power role question. No survivors in game. Hi hi how you guys doing If you could do anything what would you do? These two posts came in quick succession. No one answered his question. Renegade asked for his opinion on Martin, and no reply. He disappears for 2 hours. Page 1-3 Not much has happened, Martin is asking question and showing people how to vote Ash Lael , questions Martin's methods. Clearly I think it good idea to ask question I have not been hear during page 1evaluation Response to Martin's question asking him for his opinion on this game. Restating the obvious and not bringing anything new to the table. So far I'm just getting my thoughts together to help us as town or the bad guys might get the advantage This was his excuse. Martin thanked him for responding quickly. Page 4-5 Found some stuff that triggered , Graklyn is on my scum alert because he dosent mind lynching, Dallarain said my the town win and dint include himself makes me think his sus, Martin, Ash l'eau , Zedus seem town so far , I ll make another evaluation soon I don't know what to make of auwt,bakmir and renegade at the moment His reads, made on June 25, 11am on us west coast time. His scum read on me was fair and expected for the atittude at the time. He scum reads Dallarin for a pretty weak reason. This was before Zedus started being toxic. Graklyn 30 min after posting read he attempts to vote me. fails cuz not proper vote format, and name misspelling. So why would Zedus have reaction just from Martin asking the question instead he could of politely decline It seems like theres something hiding through just my theory Pretty vague and hedgey assumption. He signs off and says goodbye at June 25, 1:30pm on us west coast time and returns 12 hours later. snip. just click the arrow button on quote box to see his reads list He lists reasons why each person can be town or scum. Doesn't give definite reads on any of them. Said he needed to recap on bakir. Says I've been afk (true), and could be scum ducking very low. Thats a lot coming from him. Says Martin is either the greatest ally of town or is a scum power hunting and getting town trust early. Says Renegade is paying attention to the very quiet and is either town or a scum looking for easy lynch for doing that. Says bakmir has "interesting info" (what interesting info?), but says he was "deceptive" in page 1-3 with "useless posts" Says Auwt has "nice theorys" on quiet ones, making him a town read, but also "scum for giving info to lower tension"??? Says Ash is a "great town ally" with a very sharp mind but could be "good at deception" and getting trust, advises to get more info on ash before fully scum reading him Says Dallarian is a "good town" for using votes to pressure people (that should make me good town according to this guy who said I "didnt mind lynching" too?) and is mostly fine. Says Zedus was town due to wanting no-lynch (contentious claim) but is scum cuz of his reaction to Martin's question at him. Overall hes another guy criticizing me and praising Dallarian for doing exactly the same thing (using votes to pressure for info) He re-evaluates bakmir 15-20 min later Re-evaluation @Bikimar Townbecause gave information early on the forum game and claims to read Scumstill a bit quite on (im assuming pages) 10-20 with little or no information 15 minutes later solidifies his scum read on Bakmir and (correctly) town reads Renegade Scum lean @Bakmir still he reads and has little or no information as townie so his low value target for mafia or he is a scum Town lean Renegade he gets information out of people a town sign [COLOR="#008000"][/ Maybe his mentor told him to be less hedgey and hes just going for non-contentious opinions as a bare minimum? Ash still calls him out on his excessive hedginess after the post. (around post 450) I want everyone to answer this question If you had 3 wishes what would you wish for I d wish for fame and reputation from my fellow comrades I d wish for corna to go away really impacts my future I d wish for a successful career as an accountant This was a distracting question right after Ash accused him of editing out his Martin vote. Actual answer later: I edited my post cause I did it unsuccessfully and thought I d be making a fool if my self however superjack I understand this my rise suspicion to me early on Well you right to think I'm suspicious but I'm tryna aid us as town I ve alrdy gave some stuff that could make sense why we could be scum possible I could be scum for lying _forgetten/editing posts but I ll make it clear and try to redeem myself, I dont want to make town mislynch otherwise we would be giving mafia advantage atleast hes understanding. [Vote]Grakyln He votes me cuz im on top of his scum list. Ash retorts by town reading me based off of this one vote. LMAO Ok so what's your reasoning for grak being town? A good question for (I'm assuming) Bakmir. I dont think Dallarian 100% town I gave my reasoning a possibility why he might be town, I miss interpreted ash gender and I think Auwt only spoke for value information when Dallarain voted him but anyway just how I interpreted it, Graklyn seemed sus to me in a way that he was to quite His last post. Once again doesnt even consider the possibility that I could have been busy in the same manner he was on Day 1 (which was true) In conclusion, Helltenis may have been a genuinely confused citizen, or a genuinely confused scum, or a scum who played dumb at first to make people underestimate him. We shall see if Drizzt's behavior reflect these possibilities. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 801] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 07:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Has anyone else noticed that Grak today is almost like a completely different person, by the way? Day one he was, in his own words, a headless chicken. Today he’s come in with confident reads and a clear agenda. It’s almost like he spent the night phase chatting with someone and formulating a strategy. And day 1 is always hectic. No one would be dead yet, so all you had to go on was mindgames. Of course I would feel less confident then. I get your concern tho, and I do notice the difference. I'm aware. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 802] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 07:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Breadcrumbing as cit I'll have to admit, i completely missed that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 803] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 27th, 2020 07:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well im going to go to sleep. See yall IRL tomorrow. Its been fun playing so far! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 804] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 08:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alright if Martin gotta go, I will go too. I gotta cook up something for myself so don't be surprised if I go quiet for the next hour or two. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 805] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 27th, 2020 08:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 anyhow, my ISO on helltenis If hes a genuine noob he may have actually been citizen. Or he was mafia killer and was overwhelmed by the amount of citizens. Breadcrumbing as cit Ditto. Stating the obvious as if he doesnt want to be seen as totally quiet. Could be a lil sus. Post 106 (page 6). Not clear what hes referencing. This was after Dallarian voting Auwt and referencing a SC2 scene. The edited post. This was originally a vote for Martin. Did his mentor pull the strings? possibly a response to martin's power role question. No survivors in game. These two posts came in quick succession. No one answered his question. Renegade asked for his opinion on Martin, and no reply. He disappears for 2 hours. Response to Martin's question asking him for his opinion on this game. Restating the obvious and not bringing anything new to the table. This was his excuse. Martin thanked him for responding quickly. His reads, made on June 25, 11am on us west coast time. His scum read on me was fair and expected for the atittude at the time. He scum reads Dallarin for a pretty weak reason. This was before Zedus started being toxic. 30 min after posting read he attempts to vote me. fails cuz not proper vote format, and name misspelling. Pretty vague and hedgey assumption. He signs off and says goodbye at June 25, 1:30pm on us west coast time and returns 12 hours later. He lists reasons why each person can be town or scum. Doesn't give definite reads on any of them. Said he needed to recap on bakir. Says I've been afk (true), and could be scum ducking very low. Thats a lot coming from him. Says Martin is either the greatest ally of town or is a scum power hunting and getting town trust early. Says Renegade is paying attention to the very quiet and is either town or a scum looking for easy lynch for doing that. Says bakmir has "interesting info" (what interesting info?), but says he was "deceptive" in page 1-3 with "useless posts" Says Auwt has "nice theorys" on quiet ones, making him a town read, but also "scum for giving info to lower tension"??? Says Ash is a "great town ally" with a very sharp mind but could be "good at deception" and getting trust, advises to get more info on ash before fully scum reading him Says Dallarian is a "good town" for using votes to pressure people (that should make me good town according to this guy who said I "didnt mind lynching" too?) and is mostly fine. Says Zedus was town due to wanting no-lynch (contentious claim) but is scum cuz of his reaction to Martin's question at him. Overall hes another guy criticizing me and praising Dallarian for doing exactly the same thing (using votes to pressure for info) He re-evaluates bakmir 15-20 min later 15 minutes later solidifies his scum read on Bakmir and (correctly) town reads Renegade Maybe his mentor told him to be less hedgey and hes just going for non-contentious opinions as a bare minimum? Ash still calls him out on his excessive hedginess after the post. (around post 450) This was a distracting question right after Ash accused him of editing out his Martin vote. Actual answer later: atleast hes understanding. He votes me cuz im on top of his scum list. Ash retorts by town reading me based off of this one vote. LMAO A good question for (I'm assuming) Bakmir. His last post. Once again doesnt even consider the possibility that I could have been busy in the same manner he was on Day 1 (which was true) In conclusion, Helltenis may have been a genuinely confused citizen, or a genuinely confused scum, or a scum who played dumb at first to make people underestimate him. We shall see if Drizzt's behavior reflect these possibilities. Good review of Heltenis and his posts up to date. Very good review. I won't contradict his town claim, as for the rest of his "lists" I am not beholden to any of that. And for the record, I may say obvious things just to verify something is true that you guys take for granted. If I stay quiet I won't learn. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 806] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 08:41 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay, I’ve been debating doing this for a while, but I’ve finally decided it’s the right move. I hope I’m right. I am a power role. I will not reveal which one at this time, for reasons. I would like our remaining power role to also openly claim, please. If no one does, then we know that myself, Grak, and Bakemir are confirmed town and the two mafia are within the group of Auwt, Martin, Drizzt, and Dallarian. If someone does claim, we will have two groups of players, 3 in one and 4 in the other, that can only contain one scum each. That will help us rule in and out possible worlds much more easily. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 807] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 08:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And I guess in the weirdo world where there are two more claims, we will have three confirmed citizens. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 808] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 09:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I would like our remaining power role to also openly claim, please. Would it be the right move for the other power role to reveal? If we lynch a citizen today, then 2 maf, 4 town on day 3. There will be atleast one power role leads. Should we mislynch on day 3, its LYLO on day 4. If we lynch a scum today, then 1 maf, 4 town on day 3. With the mafia found, and compound that with atleast one power role lead, it will be easier to find the teammate and finish the game. If we lynch a town power, refer to scenario one, but with less power role leads. How easy would it be to lynch correctly today if the second power role reveals themselves, and will they likely survive the night? In fact, lets narrow it down a little bit further, are you a protective or an investigative? NO need for exact role. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 809] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 09:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Would it be the right move for the other power role to reveal? If we lynch a citizen today, then 2 maf, 4 town on day 3. There will be atleast one power role leads. Should we mislynch on day 3, its LYLO on day 4. If we lynch a scum today, then 1 maf, 4 town on day 3. With the mafia found, and compound that with atleast one power role lead, it will be easier to find the teammate and finish the game. If we lynch a town power, refer to scenario one, but with less power role leads. How easy would it be to lynch correctly today if the second power role reveals themselves, and will they likely survive the night? In fact, lets narrow it down a little bit further, are you a protective or an investigative? NO need for exact role. If your claim is legit, there is no other power role. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 810] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 09:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I have a hard time reading Grak’s post as anything but a scum trying to convince the last TPR to stay hidden so he won’t be exposed, but I guess we need to wait and see. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 811] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 09:46 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I have a hard time reading Grak’s post as anything but a scum trying to convince the last TPR to stay hidden so he won’t be exposed, but I guess we need to wait and see. my claim as an investigative is legit. you are some power role, but who knows which. If you are a protective and you reveal now you would understandably take the hit from mafia, allowing me, the investigative, to check one sus player. And if mafia decides to hit me, you would, hopefully, be on my ass and save me. And if you are an investigative... then I suppose we go on the same guy. One of us will get hit, but the other will live to tell the tale. Me asking what kind of power role are you is the OPPOSITE of convincing you to stay hidden. I basically switched from "stay hidden" to "on second thought..." in the same post. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 812] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 10:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 my claim as an investigative is legit. you are some power role, but who knows which. If you are a protective and you reveal now you would understandably take the hit from mafia, allowing me, the investigative, to check one sus player. And if mafia decides to hit me, you would, hopefully, be on my ass and save me. And if you are an investigative... then I suppose we go on the same guy. One of us will get hit, but the other will live to tell the tale. Me asking what kind of power role are you is the OPPOSITE of convincing you to stay hidden. I basically switched from "stay hidden" to "on second thought..." in the same post. ... This can’t possibly come from actual town, can it? This has to be a wolf. Seriously mate you are acting so scummy right now it is going to do my head in if no one else claims. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 813] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 10:24 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Based on the claims; Dallarian soft claimed investigative/power Grakylan openly claim detective/vanguard Ash openly claim power Renegade = dead town power There should be at least one mafia in Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian Other one is in Bakermir/Martin/Auwt/Drizzt I am still waiting on Dallarian to give us something so I can continue analyzing this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 814] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 10:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 ^ this is subject to change if any of Bakermir/Martin/Auwt/Drizzt claims power. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 815] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 10:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grakylan can be a consig too. Forgot to add that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 816] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 11:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But who am I kidding. Everything is crystal clear anyway. Dallarian/Martin was a thing from #77 and onwards. Auwt on #154 laid the seed and this turned into Dallarian/Martin + Auwt + Grakylan + Helltanis as the time passed. Zedus was lynched based on this artificial town these people created. How did Auwt figure out Martin from the beginning? How did he also figure out Renegade? Why was he so aggressive with me when I was away? He believed I was scum buddying Zedus(townie) but this again conflicts with his #154 where Zedus was big scum. Grakylan day 1 followed Auwt's #154 to the end. His change in votes was very questionable at EOD1 and Auwt's afk with a vote on me at EOD1. Did Grakylan hesitated to vote me instead? Because he was going all "yea yea lets put bakermir on lynch or put him under inspection" This is so weird. I take it that he believes Auwt is truly town. BUt I want to ask Grakylan the important question here; Who would you lynch from the two? if it was 1vs2 scenario Bakermir or Auwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 817] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:16 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 ... This can’t possibly come from actual town, can it? This has to be a wolf. Seriously mate you are acting so scummy right now it is going to do my head in if no one else claims. Im listing to you the possible scenarios that will happen. That is if scum will do things logically. As town, and especially an important one at that, you gotta get into the scum's minds to know what move you as well as the town in general should pull next. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 818] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Who would you lynch from the two? if it was 1vs2 scenario Bakermir or Auwt Out of whats going on right now, Martin did bring up a good point with Auwt's suspected power hunting. And I did check you last night and you visited no one. It's a good question of which my answer would probably change as D2 progresses. As it stands now, Auwt gives off a bunch of vibes that either say "im town" or "im scum trying really hard to be town". While you are most likely a citizen. Let me dispel the fiction that Auwt and I are the scum team. I would lynch Auwt as it stands now unless things develop not necessarily to your favor. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 819] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Imagine a game in the mod, and I'm scum. Usually I try to take control of the sheep and get them to mislynch. And if I'm town its 50/50 either I do that "lead the sheep" strat or I lay low if I don't wanna get hit. And considering how withdrawn I was D1, you could probably take a guess. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 820] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 27th, 2020 11:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Let me dispel the fiction that Auwt and I are the scum team. I would lynch Auwt as it stands now unless things develop not necessarily to your favor. If you really do have a green check on bakemir you would never lynch him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 821] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:28 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you really do have a green check on bakemir you would never lynch him. Ah ah ah. Did I say he is proven citizen? I only said that he is most likely citizen. He could also be a non-visiting mafia role. We don't know what the mafia roles specifically are. There's bigger targets out there right now. Look, that question you asked me was a loaded question. If I answered Auwt, you would say that shit. But if I answered bakemir, you would probably start pushing the Auwt/Grakylan scum team agenda. And if I refused to answer, it would look really sus for me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 822] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 27th, 2020 11:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Out of whats going on right now, Martin did bring up a good point with Auwt's suspected power hunting. And I did check you last night and you visited no one. It's a good question of which my answer would probably change as D2 progresses. As it stands now, Auwt gives off a bunch of vibes that either say "im town" or "im scum trying really hard to be town". While you are most likely a citizen. Let me dispel the fiction that Auwt and I are the scum team. I would lynch Auwt as it stands now unless things develop not necessarily to your favor. If you have a strong lead on me then why would you ever vote against me? Do you think I am a mafia power that didn't take any action? What role does that? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 823] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:38 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Reads list: Ash - null. Asks loaded trap questions, criticizes one guy for random voting while ignoring another doing the same thing. He did claim a power role, and with no third power role claim at the moment, it may be a risk to lynch him. Dallarian - scum. He was aggro, cryptic, and not direct with his answers. Auwt - strong town lean. Reads list is more nuanced and better matches the current situation, and also suggest that hes not scum by the way hes reading the less active people. Martin - scum leaning. His posts do give credence, but has lately accused Auwt of power hunting.... although Auwt is a pretty good town read right now. His high quality posts, often distracting and sometimes going off the rails, could be a front. Not to mention use of AtE in SoD1 (debate me on this if you may) Helltenis/Drizzt - town leaning. cant analyze drizzt yet but hes already testing Martin and is a quick responder to questions, so theres a point to him for that. I already ISO'd helltenis at the bottom of page 39 and concluded hes most likely citizen. bakermir - town leaning. I did check this guy and he didnt visit anyone. Hes most likely citizen. Dallarian is definitely scum. The question is if his partner is Ash or Martin. It could even be bakermir or Drizzt, although unlikely. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 824] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you have a strong lead on me then why would you ever vote against me? Do you think I am a mafia power that didn't take any action? What role does that? exactly, and thats why it kinda edges out to auwt in a situation btwn you and auwt, due to the merit that auwt did power hunt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 825] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But if there was an out for that auwt vs bakermir situation, I would pick neither if that was an option. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 826] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh and before yall go "if auwt is strong town lead why would you lynch him?" because when I said that it was a response to Ash's question which specifies if Auwt and bakermir were the only targets to lynch. With our current selection outside the paremeters of Ash's question, I would not lynch bakermir or Auwt as it stands now. Don't get fooled so easily. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 827] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Sorry, not ash's question. bakermir's question. my bad. Fuck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 828] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 27th, 2020 11:44 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Guess that says a lot about my bias. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 829] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 12:00 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I mean, anybody could have claimed "bakermir didn't do any action" I can also claim now hey guys Martin didn't take any action. If Martin says yes then how would that look to rest of you guys? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 830] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 28th, 2020 12:07 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I mean, anybody could have claimed "bakermir didn't do any action" except I can back it up with my power role claim. I claimed detective basically. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 831] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 12:16 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So according to Grakylan's lead; I could be a mafia member that didn't do any action. This would indicate I am a scum power role but creating a citizen image. That would expand the power roles list to; Ash/Dallarian/Renegade/Grakylan/Bakermir Any more power role claims or reads? There is still a chance that his night action could be constructed as a bait for me to bite and all of this is false. It takes 1 claim from me to change everything in your game grakylan. but don't worry i am doing my best to not throw here. all of this is making me ease on grakylan in general but there is still a chance he constructed all of this. maybe a mentor in works? I will stop overthinking. IF you think I am not mafia member but citizen as grakylan says, and lets assume that is true, then that would confirm me and grakylan as town. Then we would have to look at Ash/Dallarian/Martin/Auwt/Drizzt and start eliminating. P.S Dallarian still haven't given us any power input despite his soft claim so far. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 832] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 12:38 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Unless Grakylan is a liar about his power role and night action, voting him up wouldn't make sense if we were to be objective. but speaking of Grakylan, whom i had scum vibes entire game makes it really difficult for me to trust his leads. I feel like I don't get enough town vibes from Grakylan. I have a feeling he would vote me out in a Bakermir vs anybody else. I have felt that he was ready to vote me out yesterday but he went with the flow and re voted Zedus. that's the biggest scum play right there. This is why I also believe his night lead is constructed on the artificial town Auwt created at #154. Grakylan, I know this sounds a lot like interrogation but please excuse my tone. I am just trying to make sense of things and I am trying to share my train of thought. Don't take my posts as attacks to your town cred. Out of everyone, were there any reasons why did you invest me? Was this because Auwt called me and Zedus evil? What made you believe if I was going to visit someone or not? Why did you ask me earlier about Dallarian's indication of power? Why didn't you invest him instead? I don't know really.. I won't discard Auwt/Grakylan combo, but I am open to look at other possibilities. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 833] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 28th, 2020 12:49 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Out of everyone, were there any reasons why did you invest me? Was this because Auwt called me and Zedus evil? What made you believe if I was going to visit someone or not? Why did you ask me earlier about Dallarian's indication of power? Why didn't you invest him instead? I don't know really.. I won't discard Auwt/Grakylan combo, but I am open to look at other possibilities. 1. you were on most people's lists as null or scum leaning and you were only sparodically active, posting a few at a time then dipping for hours on d1. 2. The earlier laying low + people reading you as scum or null made me check you. Ofc at this point you not visiting will 90% mean citizen, and you visiting will be either scum or TPR (50/50 after renegade dies) 3. I asked about Dallarian earlier since he seemed to have soft claimed, but the main thing is that Dallarian I believe is most likely scum due to his scummy aggro and dodging of questions, with not much town-like traits that can balance out the scum read to a slight lean or null like it did for Martin. 4. I submitted my night action like as soon as night began then just let it rest for the next 24 hours cuz it was a nice reprieve from otherwise having to check this thread every so often. Kind of a bad play to be honest. I wanted to verify the scum reads of the majority first before I decide to pursue Dallarian. You gotta remember that you only became a town lean from me because of the lead I got that night. Otherwise you would still seem null or worse from my POV. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 834] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 28th, 2020 12:49 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 P.S Dallarian still haven't given us any power input despite his soft claim so far. Exactly. And if Ash is claiming a power role straight up, we should probably pressure him instead to give out some info. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 835] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 28th, 2020 12:51 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Dallarian Hi, I have some questions for you. When you soft claimed a power role earlier, what did you hope to achieve with that claim. Are you a power role? If so, would you feel comfortable specifying if its an investigative or a protective? (no exact role, that would be TOO much to ask for.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 836] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 01:01 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 3. I asked about Dallarian earlier since he seemed to have soft claimed, but the main thing is that Dallarian I believe is most likely scum due to his scummy aggro and dodging of questions, with not much town-like traits that can balance out the scum read to a slight lean or null like it did for Martin. Yeah, Dallarian left a vote on Zedus entire Day One until EOD1, this was supported by Auwt starting from #154, followed by rest of you guys. HOwever, Auwt claimed that he also noticed Zedus toned down and shown strong signs of town. However, Auwt didn't voice this when he was active on Day One. He instead kept a vote on me. It is safe to say Auwt would be the first one I would vote here. But then, he confirms you and suggests to look at Ash/Martin/Dallarian. Your theory on Dallarian is a possibility too. Leaving a vote on Zedus, soft claiming power but giving no input for day two. That is all suspicious. I wish Dallarian gave us something. I am still having trouble getting anything out of him and Drizzt/Helltanis slot. Well Dallarian the most. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 837] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 01:07 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 You know what, I even slightly agree. Because fact is, Auwt called me as citizen -- for the sake of argument I'll admit he was 100% right about me. I am citizen. So if he's scum, and called out all the citizens correctly, then there's no point in the TPRs hiding. Because they're already known to the mafia. But this does seem slightly risky to do. Open claiming citizen ? That changes a lot of things in my head. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 838] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 01:10 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 4. I submitted my night action like as soon as night began then just let it rest for the next 24 hours cuz it was a nice reprieve from otherwise having to check this thread every so often. Kind of a bad play to be honest. I wanted to verify the scum reads of the majority first before I decide to pursue Dallarian. You gotta remember that you only became a town lean from me because of the lead I got that night. Otherwise you would still seem null or worse from my POV. Fair Enough. You still have time to go through people. I feel the same sentiment and can't wait to hear from others. Especially other power claimants. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 839] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 01:11 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 And he leaves without answering why he left himself off the list of possible kill targets. I've already talked about the reason why I didnt consider myself a target, I can sum it up once again if you want. I was the one going against the flow on a townie train + I was(is idk) a strong town figure D1, as you were. With that in mind going on either of you or me is kinda hard. The second argument is the reason why I believe they didnt go on you, Ash. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 840] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 01:14 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Im sorry? He is loud mouthed for being the 2nd lowest person on the post count for day 1? My #623 post had the post count for day 1. You were #1 lowest poster I believe, and Auwt was second, at 39 posts in the entirety of day 1. You shouldnt consider post count to be a thing. I dont believe the Martin against Zedus fight D1 fed you in the right way. So please. I'm more likely to build up strong post than do little post to feed pages. This behaviour has a little bit changed since its D2, and a lot of thing have happened. I'm trying my hardest right now to answer every post I see. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 841] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 01:17 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok, so Grak is claiming detective, and that he cleared bakemir. So let’s work through the various possibilities. 1) It’s a real claim. Grak and bakemir are both town. 2) Grak is a fakeclaiming scum, and bakemir is town. In this case Grak is just trying to claim a power role to take heat off himself. 3) Grak is scum and trying to clear both himself and his scum partner. 4) some insane bullshit where Grak is vanilla town fakeclaiming a power role like Zedus was. I’m trying to hold all 4 possibilities in my head as I read and assess what is plausible in those scenarios. Another possibility would be Grakylan is a scum (agent?) and found real clue on bakermir (who is citizen) I do not believe that is a the case still. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 842] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 01:22 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How about I put it this way: For the sake of argument, lets assume Auwt and I are Scum. D2: We lynch Auwt. He flips scum. N2: I kill a townie D3: With 5 players left, and 1 mafia left, this means its 4v1. Since mafia need this to win (according to setup): "Mafia: Have 1 Mafia alive and eliminate all Town & Neutral Evil." This means we can afford to mislynch 1 more time, then we get to Lylo, where if there is a 2nd mislynch, the remaining mafia (me) kills the last townie (I had to correct my statement a bit here). So, ideally, if you're worried about me, we can afford the mislynch on me: D3: Martin is lynched. He flips mafia. This means we win. However, if i'm town, then: N3: Mafia kills a townie D4: We're down to 3 players. Two of them are town. One of them mafia. It's Lylo. However, if we don't lynch a mafia member today (D2), then: N2: One of two mafias kill. N3: 5 players are left. Two of them are mafia, 3 of them are town. In for town to win, they would have to win a Lylo situation twice in a row. I don't see a possibility in both you and Auwt being mafia. If we assume both of you are in citizen pool then it can't be both of you. We already have all TPR claims out there to max number. I don't why would you consider Auwt/Martin duo? There is no logic to it -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 843] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 01:26 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Another possibility would be Grakylan is a scum (agent?) and found real clue on bakermir (who is citizen) I do not believe that is a the case still. I don't think he is a scum based on that. If he really is a TPR then he can't be mafia simply because there was a mafia kill at night. At this point, it is more of Grakylan lying about his claim or not. But then, I can't decide that without input from other TPR's. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 844] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 28th, 2020 01:32 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 At this point, it is more of Grakylan lying about his claim or not. But then, I can't decide that without input from other TPR's. That too, and we are also waiting on Dallarian. I feel that will be as big of a factor in determining what will happen today. If Dallarian doesn't clear his name, we could lynch him at EoD. I will risk dying regardless if Dallarian is scum or not, but by then you will know I wasn't lying... and you better hope you can handle a Lylo if Dallarian isn't scum. We will figure this out tomorrow, I promise. Good night. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 845] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 01:39 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That too, and we are also waiting on Dallarian. I feel that will be as big of a factor in determining what will happen today. If Dallarian doesn't clear his name, we could lynch him at EoD. I will risk dying regardless if Dallarian is scum or not, but by then you will know I wasn't lying... and you better hope you can handle a Lylo if Dallarian isn't scum. We will figure this out tomorrow, I promise. Good night. Sounds reasonable for the time being, indeed lets see what Dallarian and Ash present. Good night -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 846] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 02:01 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't think he is a scum based on that. If he really is a TPR then he can't be mafia simply because there was a mafia kill at night. At this point, it is more of Grakylan lying about his claim or not. But then, I can't decide that without input from other TPR's. Mafia have 2 scums, if they dont have a killing role, one of them have to not do anything. Considering this, Grakylan COULDNT be the one to act the kill for Mafia otherwhise he wouldnt have found you not moving last night, in case he is scum. Basicaly with this setup, I'm really willing to wait for power role, from each side, to speak up. The one who killed Renegade will either have a role that hasnt any LW / that will be covered by his scum team mate/ that have a role which cannot be proven (such as doc for instance.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 847] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 02:03 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Ash, Dallarian we all know you are powers, I do not ask you to reveal your roles (but you could). But please answer the question : Can your role be proven, and have you find anything useful to make the game progress in any direction? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 848] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 28th, 2020 02:05 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The only edit to post #800 was a change in size of the last paragraph Editing is not allowed. No matter what reason you have. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 849] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 02:07 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Ash, Dallarian we all know you are powers, I do not ask you to reveal your roles (but you could). But please answer the question : Can your role be proven, and have you find anything useful to make the game progress in any direction? And also for Drizzt, can you claim Citizen, if you are, this would fill the Citizen count, so we would have a strong 3-citizen-players to trust? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 850] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 02:26 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Ash, Dallarian we all know you are powers, I do not ask you to reveal your roles (but you could). But please answer the question : Can your role be proven, and have you find anything useful to make the game progress in any direction? It’s my job to use my role as best as I can for town’s benefit. This includes deciding how much information to reveal, and when. Trust me to do my job. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 851] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 02:30 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 It’s my job to use my role as best as I can for town’s benefit. This includes deciding how much information to reveal, and when. Trust me to do my job. I haven't seen the benefit yet. Looking forward to being staring at it. You own your choice and I will respect this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 852] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 02:53 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok so far since I revealed we have implicit citizen claims from Auwt and bakemir, and explicit power role claims from myself and Grak. We’ve previously had soft citizen claims from Drizzt and Martin, and a soft role power claim from Dallarian. We’ll see how things shake out after those last three players return to the thread and lay their cards on the table, but at the moment it looks like there is exactly one scum in me/Grak/Dall and one in Auwt/Martin/Drizzt/bakemir. I’ll wait until everyone has had a chance to claim and confirm this is where we stand before I start world building too much, but yeah. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 853] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 03:16 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ok so far since I revealed we have implicit citizen claims from Auwt and bakemir, and explicit power role claims from myself and Grak. We’ve previously had soft citizen claims from Drizzt and Martin, and a soft role power claim from Dallarian. We’ll see how things shake out after those last three players return to the thread and lay their cards on the table, but at the moment it looks like there is exactly one scum in me/Grak/Dall and one in Auwt/Martin/Drizzt/bakemir. I’ll wait until everyone has had a chance to claim and confirm this is where we stand before I start world building too much, but yeah. Lets do some process of elimination then. Ash/Auwt, lol dont you dare, I do not have to explain it to you, we are not BOTH scum sided. Ash/Martin, could be a thing, but no as yet counter the Martin's citizen claim. Not much probable Ash/Drizzt, you have several concerns about him, I dont see you siding with him. Ash/bakermir, same thing than Ash/Martin I do not exclude a possible Ash/Dallarian team. (idk why you said exactly one scum between you two) Grak/Auwt, I can ensure we are either both town, or 1 scum and 1 townie. This is a fact right here. Grak/Martin They are both looking for each other, I dont buy it. Grak/Drizzt could be a thing, I need to wait a bit more to see this. Grak/bakermir now this is interesting, are they trying to both cover themselves? I dont think so bakermir was really pushing Grakylan to get his investigative clue this is also an either 2 townies team or a 1 scum and 1 town team. The most probable between those would be Grak/Drizzt or a way less possible Grak/bakermir, idk what to think of it. Dallarian/Auwt, I have most of my concerns and worries on him right now. And Dallarian recent post on me are showing him trying to stay out of my read/post because I am apparently to persuasive sometime. Dallarian/Martin, could be a thing, but Citizen claim from Martin make it harder to believe they both scum sided. Dallarian/Drizzt, not much interaction between them through D1, null read on D2, might be a thing Dallarian/bakermir, same thing that with Martin. On this list I would say Dallarian/Drizzt look the most probable. I know in all this analysis I put bakermir and Martin both in very safe spot, but they are the only one that are currently claiming Citizen, leaving them mostly on a safe spot. This is how I currently see your but at the moment it looks like there is exactly one scum in me/Grak/Dall and one in Auwt/Martin/Drizzt/bakemir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 854] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 03:26 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I do not exclude a possible Ash/Dallarian team. (idk why you said exactly one scum between you two) Huh? I said exactly one in me/Dallarian/Grak. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 855] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 03:38 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I would add that any scum team that does not include Grak makes the green check real so we can rule out some worlds like Dallarian/bakemir on that basis. Well unless bakemir is exactly Godfather I guess. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 856] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 03:50 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There’s a secondary question: if things shake out with this expected 3/4 split, do we lynch in the civilians or in the power roles? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 857] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:02 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There’s a secondary question: if things shake out with this expected 3/4 split, do we lynch in the civilians or in the power roles? I already thought about this but I think deciding this after we get more from you and Dallarian could be more beneficial for town. You have made your stance clear. Still waiting for Dallarian input. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 858] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:05 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 We still have 34 hours. I see Dallarian is taking his time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 859] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:08 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Huh? I said exactly one in me/Dallarian/Grak. I do not get why there would be exactly only ONE in this list. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 860] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:10 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I do not get why there would be exactly only ONE in this list. We had three power roles and four citizens. We lost one of each. Now we have 2 power roles and 3 citizens. So if we have claims of 3 and 4, that means we have one scum in each group. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 861] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:12 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 There’s a secondary question: if things shake out with this expected 3/4 split, do we lynch in the civilians or in the power roles? Lynching Citizens wont solve anything, unless more than 3 people claim it, we should really focus on power roles, that's why I was willing to ear more from every power role. I do not believe that hiding your role and clue for now will make you look that much as a townie. Same goes for Dallarian, and the others. I wont be voting Martin, bakermir this day. I'm waiting for a potential 3rd Citizen claim to close the Citizen list. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 862] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:14 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I already thought about this but I think deciding this after we get more from you and Dallarian could be more beneficial for town. You have made your stance clear. Still waiting for Dallarian input. I agree, don’t decide yet. But it’s worth mulling over. From my perspective I’d like to lynch in the power role claims. I like my chances of solving Grak/Dallarian correctly way more than solving Martin/Auwt/Drizzt/bakemir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 863] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:15 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I do not get why there would be exactly only ONE in this list. Oh yea there is a chance it could be TWO in there with one town power hiding in citizens. I won't reveal further into this but this is the only reason why I am not voting Grakylan up yet. This doesn't mean he is clean. I will be honest. I will most likely end up voting Dallarian or one of the citizen claims as the things stand. My gut tells me to look at elsewhere but the only logical course for us today to lynch someone with least input, be it they are TPR or citizen. I think we can afford that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 864] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:16 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Lynching Citizens wont solve anything, unless more than 3 people claim it, we should really focus on power roles, that's why I was willing to ear more from every power role. I do not believe that hiding your role and clue for now will make you look that much as a townie. Same goes for Dallarian, and the others. I wont be voting Martin, bakermir this day. I'm waiting for a potential 3rd Citizen claim to close the Citizen list. I mean, if someone’s not claiming power role at this point they are by omission claiming citizen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 865] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:17 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 We had three power roles and four citizens. We lost one of each. Now we have 2 power roles and 3 citizens. So if we have claims of 3 and 4, that means we have one scum in each group. Yeah but remember that you put 4 persons on the Citizen side. But only 3 are currently Citizen. So basicaly one of bakermir/Martin/me/Drizzt is power. With that in mind the first list should be Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/X With X being the power role classified in the Citizen group. So its truly possible and by the way IS THE CASE that between Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/X, there are 2 SCUMS So power role are now in big trouble. I believe this post is really helping a lot... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 866] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:18 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I mean, if someone’s not claiming power role at this point they are by omission claiming citizen. Though perhaps we should just make it explicit. Bakemir, Auwt, do you want to hard claim citizen? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 867] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:18 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh yea there is a chance it could be TWO in there with one town power hiding in citizens. I won't reveal further into this but this is the only reason why I am not voting Grakylan up yet. This doesn't mean he is clean. I will be honest. I will most likely end up voting Dallarian or one of the citizen claims as the things stand. My gut tells me to look at elsewhere but the only logical course for us today to lynch someone with least input, be it they are TPR or citizen. I think we can afford that. Please keep in mind there is no need to lynch any of citizen claims unless more than 3 people claim it. Atm, i believe only you(bakermir) and Martin are claiming it. Leaving the last spot open. I'm waiting for Drizzt to take position between power/citizen side. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 868] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:20 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah but remember that you put 4 persons on the Citizen side. But only 3 are currently Citizen. So basicaly one of bakermir/Martin/me/Drizzt is power. With that in mind the first list should be Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/X With X being the power role classified in the Citizen group. So its truly possible and by the way IS THE CASE that between Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/X, there are 2 SCUMS So power role are now in big trouble. I believe this post is really helping a lot... The one between bakermir/Martin/me/Drizzt that will claim power will be on the power list and by that meaning, on the possible scumlist. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 869] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:21 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah but remember that you put 4 persons on the Citizen side. But only 3 are currently Citizen. So basicaly one of bakermir/Martin/me/Drizzt is power. With that in mind the first list should be Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/X With X being the power role classified in the Citizen group. So its truly possible and by the way IS THE CASE that between Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/X, there are 2 SCUMS So power role are now in big trouble. I believe this post is really helping a lot... Huh? I don’t understand. Why would you assume there is a power role within the citizen group and not a scum? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 870] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:25 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Please keep in mind there is no need to lynch any of citizen claims unless more than 3 people claim it. Atm, i believe only you(bakermir) and Martin are claiming it. Leaving the last spot open. I'm waiting for Drizzt to take position between power/citizen side. Yeah of course, if we get 4 PR claims we will have 3 clear citizens. Conversely if we have only 2 we will have me and Grak clear and bakemir confirmed green checked. For this reason I assume the scum will split one in each group. Otherwise we’ve almost won the game already. Three lynches in a group of four people to catch two is amazing for us. I don’t think they’ll let us have it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 871] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:26 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Please keep in mind there is no need to lynch any of citizen claims unless more than 3 people claim it. Atm, i believe only you(bakermir) and Martin are claiming it. Leaving the last spot open. I'm waiting for Drizzt to take position between power/citizen side. I don't think it is smart we discuss further into peoples roles until we hear from Dallarian and Drizzt. This is also why I don't know which one would be better to lynch today. Citizen or TPR. What if Drizzt claims TPR and not citizen? Helltanis claimed citizen earlier. What if Dallarian says he is citizen today? Then which one of us is the real TPR? Auwt/Bakermir/Martin -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 872] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:28 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Huh? I don’t understand. Why would you assume there is a power role within the citizen group and not a scum? Your second group is bakermir/Martin/Auwt/Drizzt. Those are either Citizen or unknown Your first group is Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian Those are claimed power. We have to find out who ISNT citizen on the second group, because there are only 3 of them alive right now (Since Zedus died, only 3 possible citizen remains) With this, you can assume that the first group (composed of the power role) would be Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/ X This X would be the one that ISNT citizen in the second group. When we will have a strong Citizen base with no counter claim, then we shall focus on the ones claiming power role, Namely Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/X So all we have to do is wait for Drizzt to post his position between CITIZEN or POWER ROLE. And then we could walk forward to focus on the primary list. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 873] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:30 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't think it is smart we discuss further into peoples roles until we hear from Dallarian and Drizzt. This is also why I don't know which one would be better to lynch today. Citizen or TPR. What if Drizzt claims TPR and not citizen? Helltanis claimed citizen earlier. What if Dallarian says he is citizen today? Then which one of us is the real TPR? Auwt/Bakermir/Martin That's what I'm waiting for, waiting both of Dallarian/Drizzt to post if they are power or not. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 874] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:31 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That's what I'm waiting for, waiting both of Dallarian/Drizzt to post if they are power or not. The game will be way less hard when those positions will be taken. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 875] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:32 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't think it is smart we discuss further into peoples roles until we hear from Dallarian and Drizzt. This is also why I don't know which one would be better to lynch today. Citizen or TPR. What if Drizzt claims TPR and not citizen? Helltanis claimed citizen earlier. What if Dallarian says he is citizen today? Then which one of us is the real TPR? Auwt/Bakermir/Martin Yeah this true. We need to stop getting ahead of ourselves. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 876] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:32 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That's what I'm waiting for, waiting both of Dallarian/Drizzt to post if they are power or not. Yep same. I suggest we speed things up so we get them to talk. I recommend voting/pushing Drizzt and Dallarian later today if they don't give us anything to work with soon. I still don't feel like revealing myself either and I understand Ash in this fully. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 877] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:34 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 By the way, does anyone know what timezone Drizzt is from? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 878] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:35 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yep same. I suggest we speed things up so we get them to talk. I recommend voting/pushing Drizzt and Dallarian later today if they don't give us anything to work with soon. I still don't feel like revealing myself either and I understand Ash in this fully. Arent you revealing yourself as a Citizen? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 879] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:37 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Arent you revealing yourself as a Citizen? I am not ready to reveal my role completely until I hear more from Dallarian and Drizzt. BUt I thought I have already give a good hint to you in previous post. I am not sure what is the purpose of this push now? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 880] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:38 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Arent you revealing yourself as a Citizen? Are you telling me you are a citizen 100% and not some hidden tpr? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 881] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:40 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I am not ready to reveal my role completely until I hear more from Dallarian and Drizzt. BUt I thought I have already give a good hint to you in previous post. I am not sure what is the purpose of this push now? Dont worry, there is not really need to know the purpose for now, I will just leave it like this until they take position then, I will come back to this post at this time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 882] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:45 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Dont worry, there is not really need to know the purpose for now, I will just leave it like this until they take position then, I will come back to this post at this time. We are all very close to solving this, just need patience with Dallarian and Drizzt I suppose. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 883] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 28th, 2020 06:05 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 First of all I am very happy that Grakylan started seriously playing. I also expected Helltanis to be replaced. I am happy he have tried FM. I find it difficult to follow the game. Pure reading takes me too much time and FM turned out to be more involving than I expected. It takes me a few hours to just read posts made over night. I feel overwhelmed by content. Yes, it took me too long to write this post. You can add it to my being suspicious list. Most of are my thoughts after D1. I haven't thought over the current situation yet, but I am aware I am being Mafia read by majority. I hope everyone eventually reads my Tinfoil Theory at #623. I don't see connection between Auwt and Grakylan. Auwt's claims influenced majority of players, including both of us. There were some fair points pointed at them, but I do not have a newer thought about the situation. Right now my reads list has 3 nulls, 1 scum lean, 1 town lean, 1 town lock. (#623) Yours has the same but instead of 3 nulls and 1 scum lean, you have 4 nulls. (#628) Our town-lean on renegade was the same. It's my first FM ever as well and I simply have no idea who could be Mafia right now. Your analysis process is different and more powerful than mine. I fall behind with game analysis. Now we have more content from Grakylan so I have what to work with. Also I believe in current situation I can find bakermir townie regardless if Grakylan is Mafia or Town. I try to judge people for their actions. If you're going to accuse me of power hunting, I think you should at least accue Auwt Too. By determining who's a citizen, whoever is left must be a TPR. He wrote off at least 4 people at various points (Martin, Helltanis, Grakylan) as citizens in these quotes. And with Zedus dead, well, anyone else they knew as town are TPRs and they're going to kill them, assuming Auwt is scum. Auwt isn't oracle. You neither. Assuming his all D1 Citizen claims are true is risky. However now some of them are confirmed. If Mafia assumed it being correct estimate of situation, perhaps Mafia could be people who are easily influenced and going a lot with flow. I'd say Renegade was more likely to get killed, because of his more "closed" gameplay (unlikely to be healed) and being town read by majority of the people. About your theory I wouldn't say Auwt is hiding under the radar. Also comparing post count is dumb. Auwt created more content than Helltanis did and activity isn't aligment indicative. For me Auwt's lower post count is positive thing. So, because of this situation above, if you truly believe that I am scum team with Auwt, then I suggest you lynch Auwt first. This is going pretty far and you have probably convinced me you're not in team with Auwt. I withdraw from Martin/Auwt Mafia team idea. Suggesting to lynch Auwt first puts you in a bad light, though. Mafia!Martin would for sure used his skill to defend himself after Auwt's mislynch and as long as he convinces one Townie not to vote him, he would be safe. If (I am unsure if you claimed that, please point it out to me) Grakylan is more scummier than Auwt, what should we do with him after Auwt mislynch? I can believe you would be building a strong cause against him on D3. Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade And thats how I came to a conclusion that since Renegade died, Dallarian has 2 options. First - He is scum so he would obviously not target himself. Second - He is a town and it was a 50/50 between Dallarian/Renegade. Already asked by Ash, I need to search for answer. Why would Mafia limit themselfs to guilty voters who have actually helped them, and not consider you? If I was Mafia you would be pretty high on my "to kill" list. Also could I bring up attention to the beginning of Day 1. Page 4. Dallarian votes Auwt. Then a short while later, I vote Auwt. Both of us had pretty bogus reasons, but Ash goes up to question ME and ME only about my vote, and not Dallarian as well. I explained the reason why I voted Auwt. First thing you have done was to join vote train on Auwt, then you read earlier conversation, said sorry and switched to a longer train. I see here significant behaviour difference. Vote on Auwt wasn't what people found scummy, but following trains. Martin made pretty accurate observation about the whole situation during End of Day 1. Say it with me. Auwt is not a low-lying mafia. He is pure town. [/COLOR] He appears and convinced me to be pure town. I deny town tunneling him. Jokes fly over our head. Plus if it was a joke he probably would have unvoted pretty soon. But the fact that he kept his vote for many hours after he cast it and my whole messy introduction says wonders about Dallarian. Even with the context of the grudge, the vote stayed for a long time. That doesn't seem like a joke. My vote was directed to Auwt and stayed until his answer. I expected him to arrive soon and I wasn't wrong. In terms of different sleep patterns a few hours isn't that long. Also explained by Martin. Dallarian was talking a lot Day 1 and he suddenly became a lot less active. Not sure if busy or if something is up. I am overwhelmed with content. I woke up 3 hours ago (update, 6 hours) and only thing I do is reading what happened at night. Has anyone else noticed that Grak today is almost like a completely different person, by the way? Day one he was, in his own words, a headless chicken. Today he’s come in with confident reads and a clear agenda. It’s almost like he spent the night phase chatting with someone and formulating a strategy. Power of having a mentor. Also good moment to thank to Gyrlander. Thanks Gyrlander . I would add that any scum team that does not include Grak makes the green check real so we can rule out some worlds like Dallarian/bakemir on that basis. Well unless bakemir is exactly Godfather I guess. We can assume bakermir is not GF. @Grakalyn Yes, I was avoiding a few smaller questions D1. I didn't feel need to be over defensive and answer every single post. Is there something you woud like to ask me? Except for my role. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 884] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 28th, 2020 06:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Please Dallarian if you really are some town investigative, put your clue on the table. Hi, I have some questions for you. When you soft claimed a power role earlier, what did you hope to achieve with that claim. Are you a power role? If so, would you feel comfortable specifying if its an investigative or a protective? (no exact role, that would be TOO much to ask for.) Your theory on Dallarian is a possibility too. Leaving a vote on Zedus, soft claiming power but giving no input for day two. Is there anything unclear about my attitude to Zedus? I believe I have explained my thoughts about that pretty well. Ash, Dallarian we all know you are powers, I do not ask you to reveal your roles (but you could). But please answer the question : Can your role be proven, and have you find anything useful to make the game progress in any direction? I believe it all began here: #154 So here is my thought on everyone way of talking / votes / alignment / role / cooperation Dallarian : Obviously a rebel, and a scum wtf. Null read. I do not know the role tho but I dont think he is Citizen at all, he knows he can bring something. As –Mafia- player I am confident with player roles like Bodyguard, Doctor and Citizen. I believe I can help town with discussion. I related this to FM. I believed I can contribute into the game. It turned out to be harder than I expected. Then bakermir said this that post and some others were indicative for my power claim: Good night. I will leave you with one question. Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin? As I explained in #490: This question is begining of thought I wanted to develop. Is it worth using night actions on Zedus, if we can close this slot and focus our attention on less suspicious people? The question was a part of my building case against Zedus. As you could see, I focused on him a lot during D1. I have no idea why I am Power role read. Could you point out more at me, please? There was no reason to fight with such claim, I would be happy to die at night as meatshield for our Power Roles. My role is Citizen and I have received no night feedback. I hope you can put more light on your claim. I am curious what else suggested I am Power Role. Also I am sorry Auwt for disappointing you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 885] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 06:28 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Dallarian, citizen or power role? Easy question, of course if you are Citi you need to claim your role and Im sorry for that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 886] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 06:30 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 My role is Citizen and I have received no night feedback. I hope you can put more light on your claim. I am curious what else suggested I am Power Role. Also I am sorry Auwt for disappointing you. Ok we are having a problem here, its time for me to claim. I'm also a Citizen. By that meaning, someone between Dallarian/bakermir/Martin is truly lying. I dont see a Town Random being Citizen, there is absolutely no way. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 887] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 06:35 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 So a truth is between Auwt/bakermir/Martin/Dallarian we have at least 1 scum, probably not another one. Unless bakermir want to fall back from his Citizen placement, It's now the time to position yourself bakermir. Also still waiting for Drizzt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 888] Auteur : Dallarian Date : June 28th, 2020 07:04 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Due to some personal reasons I am unable to participate any more in this game. I know it is not fair toward most of you, for you have put a lot of effort to read me and interact with me. I believe someone will replace me soon. I found the game pretty interesting, but also more time consuming and engaging than I expected. There are other reasons as well. It was a pleasure I could play with people on similar level to mine but some of you are standing out high above me in deduction and analysis. Thanks bakermir for coming to the game. I hope you are having fun. You make some really good job. Thanks awesome Deathworlds-senpai for support (My Great Higher Entity!) and teaching how to play as aggressive Town. He is a great mentor! Spent a lot of time to explaim me FM and meta behaviour in his free time. That was great help. Also thanks to Maylante SuperJack for organizing this all and his patience toward my poking him all the time. But all in all I haven't broken rule 11. I am sorry for disappointing Auwt, he probably hoped for a nice game with me. But you are doing well, good luck. I am unlikely to join other FM games, so I am sorry for disappointing secondpassing as well. I will see some of you in -Mafia-. Bye. They are arrows in the quiver. They must be spent if we are to win this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 889] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 28th, 2020 07:14 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 @Dallarian has been replaced by deathworlds -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 890] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 07:15 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 *insert funny jojo's "menacing" symbol* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 891] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 07:17 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I stand by Dallarian's citizen claim MartinGG99 This slot is most likely to be scum from my pov. I'll be back with more content on them but I just got off my graveyard shift, I haven't slept in like 18 hours and my brain feels like a soft tomato. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 892] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 07:18 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Due to some personal reasons I am unable to participate any more in this game. I know it is not fair toward most of you, for you have put a lot of effort to read me and interact with me. I believe someone will replace me soon. I found the game pretty interesting, but also more time consuming and engaging than I expected. There are other reasons as well. It was a pleasure I could play with people on similar level to mine but some of you are standing out high above me in deduction and analysis. Thanks bakermir for coming to the game. I hope you are having fun. You make some really good job. Thanks awesome Deathworlds-senpai for support (My Great Higher Entity!) and teaching how to play as aggressive Town. He is a great mentor! Spent a lot of time to explaim me FM and meta behaviour in his free time. That was great help. Also thanks to Maylante SuperJack for organizing this all and his patience toward my poking him all the time. But all in all I haven't broken rule 11. I am sorry for disappointing Auwt, he probably hoped for a nice game with me. But you are doing well, good luck. I am unlikely to join other FM games, so I am sorry for disappointing secondpassing as well. I will see some of you in -Mafia-. Bye. They are arrows in the quiver. They must be spent if we are to win this. I'm not disapointed at all, honestly I didnt know what to expect when I asked you to try FM, but you did an overall great game, I'm glad to have played this with you. I welcome deathworlds to this game ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 893] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 08:47 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I stand by Dallarian's citizen claim MartinGG99 This slot is most likely to be scum from my pov. I'll be back with more content on them but I just got off my graveyard shift, I haven't slept in like 18 hours and my brain feels like a soft tomato. Well, this is interesting. Thanks for playing with us Dallarian. Welcome to the game death! Enjoy your rest and I look forward to seeing fuller thoughts from you when you are rested. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 894] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 09:20 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That's what I'm waiting for, waiting both of Dallarian/Drizzt to post if they are power or not. I am not town power. And I'm EST. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 895] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 09:25 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 And also for Drizzt, can you claim Citizen, if you are, this would fill the Citizen count, so we would have a strong 3-citizen-players to trust? I claim citizen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 896] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 09:50 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Okay so Martin/Auwt/DW/Drizzt + potentially bakermir (must confirm) In any case, someone already lied right there. So we might have 1 or more scum between them. 3 Citizens, and 4 claiming it + potentialy bakermir. If bakermir confirm being a citizen, then the power roles namely Ash, Grakylan are safe to be town. Waiting for bakermir for now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 897] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 10:04 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Okay so Martin/Auwt/DW/Drizzt + potentially bakermir (must confirm) In any case, someone already lied right there. So we might have 1 or more scum between them. 3 Citizens, and 4 claiming it + potentialy bakermir. If bakermir confirm being a citizen, then the power roles namely Ash, Grakylan are safe to be town. Waiting for bakermir for now. I guess you need to ask yourself. Do I have the wherewithal to come out of the gate with such a bold lie, or do you think I'd play it safe and stick with the truth, incidentally the same truth my predecessor told before I even knew he claimed citizen. Hmm. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 898] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 10:13 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I guess you need to ask yourself. Do I have the wherewithal to come out of the gate with such a bold lie, or do you think I'd play it safe and stick with the truth, incidentally the same truth my predecessor told before I even knew he claimed citizen. Hmm. Your predecessor looked very Citizen like with their actions and speechs. That may also be why Helltanis got bored, happens. But the truth is, we shall wait a bit to eliminate as much possible scum as we can. With that in mind, either Martin or DW are lying for me right now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 899] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 10:16 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Your predecessor looked very Citizen like with their actions and speechs. That may also be why Helltanis got bored, happens. But the truth is, we shall wait a bit to eliminate as much possible scum as we can. With that in mind, either Martin or DW are lying for me right now. I think I know who I'm voting for, but Im going to wait on some votes before doing anything. Cowards way out, but better to be careful than alienate people with my ignorance. Who the frack is DW. Sorry -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 900] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 11:01 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I think I know who I'm voting for, but Im going to wait on some votes before doing anything. Cowards way out, but better to be careful than alienate people with my ignorance. Who the frack is DW. Sorry Oh yeah DW = deathworlds. I agree being careful is a must. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 901] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 28th, 2020 11:12 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Good morning. It's a shame Dallarian had to leave us, he tried his best. Anyhow With that in mind, either Martin or DW are lying for me right now. My gut is still telling me Martin, he is barking louder than he can bite if he is citizen. Anyhow, we have 26 hours so perhaps we use this time to watch and observe Deathworlds? deathworlds Welcome to the game! So if Dallarian is telling the truth, then Bakermir would not visit anyone, and Dallarian wouldn't be targetted by mafia any time soon, should he be spared, simply because he looked suspicious to most people. Remember my earlier theory (grounded on scum behavior in the mod) that the suspicious looking townies would not be hit by mafia in order to serve as lynch bait for town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 902] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 11:52 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Good morning. It's a shame Dallarian had to leave us, he tried his best. Anyhow My gut is still telling me Martin, he is barking louder than he can bite if he is citizen. Anyhow, we have 26 hours so perhaps we use this time to watch and observe Deathworlds? deathworlds Welcome to the game! So if Dallarian is telling the truth, then Bakermir would not visit anyone, and Dallarian wouldn't be targetted by mafia any time soon, should he be spared, simply because he looked suspicious to most people. Remember my earlier theory (grounded on scum behavior in the mod) that the suspicious looking townies would not be hit by mafia in order to serve as lynch bait for town. Please walk me through the Martin pre-vote, if you will. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 903] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 12:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alirght, i'm back. I overslept a fair bit. Here's my responses to the things that have happened so far since I was gone (its a wall post D= ) If your claim is legit, there is no other power role. ^ This is actually a fair point in grakylan's defense. Honestly, I feel if someone claims it wont matter too much, because as Ash pointed (or i believe at least implied) out to me earlier, it seems quite plausible he might get shot on N2 or N3 anyways. my claim as an investigative is legit. you are some power role, but who knows which. If you are a protective and you reveal now you would understandably take the hit from mafia, allowing me, the investigative, to check one sus player. And if mafia decides to hit me, you would, hopefully, be on my ass and save me. And if you are an investigative... then I suppose we go on the same guy. One of us will get hit, but the other will live to tell the tale. Me asking what kind of power role are you is the OPPOSITE of convincing you to stay hidden. I basically switched from "stay hidden" to "on second thought..." in the same post. There is no point in knowing Ash Lael's power role right now. He was asking for claims, not roles. Dallarian/Martin was a thing from #77 and onwards. Auwt on #154 laid the seed and this turned into Dallarian/Martin + Auwt + Grakylan + Helltanis as the time passed. Zedus was lynched based on this artificial town these people created. How did Auwt figure out Martin from the beginning? How did he also figure out Renegade? Why was he so aggressive with me when I was away? He believed I was scum buddying Zedus(townie) but this again conflicts with his #154 where Zedus was big scum. Grakylan day 1 followed Auwt's #154 to the end. His change in votes was very questionable at EOD1 and Auwt's afk with a vote on me at EOD1. Did Grakylan hesitated to vote me instead? Because he was going all "yea yea lets put bakermir on lynch or put him under inspection" Its quite possible the scum thought we were going to try and lynch you (Bakermir) on D2. But I believe that's far from likely. Anyways, STILL having ONLY one reads list at #154, even after I pointed at out in SoD2, while there's been 816 posts at this point is really bothersome to me. Let me dispel the fiction that Auwt and I are the scum team. I would lynch Auwt as it stands now unless things develop not necessarily to your favor. Well as my tinfoil (but plausible) theory stands, this is just bussing. If you have a strong lead on me then why would you ever vote against me? Do you think I am a mafia power that didn't take any action? What role does that? Beguiler does, and Grakylan's point is certainly plausible. Actually, we haven't considered if we have a bus driver or not. We aren't notified if we were bussed. While the individual chances of a certain power role are low (~16% I think for one to exist out of 3 Town Any's, if I recall correctly), it is possible. Martin - scum leaning. His posts do give credence, but has lately accused Auwt of power hunting.... although Auwt is a pretty good town read right now. His high quality posts, often distracting and sometimes going off the rails, could be a front. Not to mention use of AtE in SoD1 (debate me on this if you may). Scum Leaning? What happened to your #219 read of me where you said I had to be a power role or scum? Right now you should be 100% scum reading me, not scum lean. See here: and AtE suggest either a TPR or scum trying to make himself look all so important. And you mentioned the AtE. You're quite clearly looking back at that time. Open claiming citizen ? That changes a lot of things in my head. I mean, it was quite obvious. Especially with ash now asking for (any) power claims. At least in my opinion. Heck you called it very early through careful analysis. But you could've argued i was town at that time in other ways, not by calling me citizen. I don't see a possibility in both you and Auwt being mafia. If we assume both of you are in citizen pool then it can't be both of you. We already have all TPR claims out there to max number. I don't why would you consider Auwt/Martin duo? There is no logic to it I considered it to satisfy Ash's concerns. While I may not be him, he has been an inquisitve town that, at times, has caught things that I would never have. I respect everything he says, even if I were to disagree with him on a personal level. We need his input if we want a clear consensus. At this point, it is more of Grakylan lying about his claim or not. But then, I can't decide that without input from other TPR's. I partially second this. Although there is a very slight, but unlikely, possibility that the third town any -- if grak is scum -- rolled citizen. However, with the evidence I posted earlier, I feel grak is scum. We’ve previously had soft citizen claims from Drizzt and Martin. I recently explicitly claimed citizen for the sake of argument against Auwt. He was right from the get-go about his citizen guess about me, which worried me about his other citizen guesses. There’s a secondary question: if things shake out with this expected 3/4 split, do we lynch in the civilians or in the power roles? Personally, I feel I would lynch in the power roles. If we lynch Grak and he's scum, it would rule out an Auwt/Martin combo that you proposed before since we would then both cannot be scum. But then again id' be fine lynching Auwt. We still have 34 hours. I see Dallarian is taking his time. This is becoming concerning. But might this be related to the Helltanis situation? I mean, Helltanis was summoned into signing by Dallarian (As deduced by me towards EoD1). Maybe he felt the need to go once Helltanis was gone? Or was there soem IRL thing that affected them both? For this reason I assume the scum will split one in each group. Otherwise we’ve almost won the game already. Three lynches in a group of four people to catch two is amazing for us. I don’t think they’ll let us have it. Which is what is happening with Grakylan/Auwt combo, if my theory is correct. My role is Citizen and I have received no night feedback.. Wait, so is Bakermir (from earlier) suggesting he was citizen from Town any? Or is Drizzt a TPR? I stand by Dallarian's citizen claim MartinGG99 This slot is most likely to be scum from my pov. I'll be back with more content on them but I just got off my graveyard shift, I haven't slept in like 18 hours and my brain feels like a soft tomato. I wonder if this is just to pressure me. I mean, Drizzt did the same thing with his statement (which honestly caught me off guard). Then again to get an accurate picture of me takes the whole thread, and I don't blame you if you decided to not read absolutely all of it. Also welcome to the game, Deathworlds! (Cool name and avatar imo, but this is an unrelated-to-the game comment) I have one more note: If I am Town, which I claim to be, then mafia tonight may as well shoot Ash and take down most of, if not all, town leadership in one fell swoop. And if its Auwt, he could just power wolf now that someone (being me) is off his back. I claim citizen. With this, Bakermir's claim ought to be interesting. He hinted citizen, but is he really? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 904] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 12:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I suppose it's also time for another reads list: (If you need a full history of my reads, Drizzt or deathworlds , they're at #43, #150, #244, #540, and #623). Auwt: This read is more or less connected to Grakylan, and vice versa. Although Ash's point about Grakylan being the only other TPR claim at the moment is valid, so im doubting this slightly, but not enough for me to remove my suspicions. Scum-lean, it used to be null but I feel with the reactions it's become more likely. Especially with the excess citizen claims that don't match the current town state. Scum lean. Ash Lael: Just town-locked. If he were ever seriously scum then my head is going to explode. However, i highly --more than anyone else-- doubt he is scum, for reasons stated in my previous reads. He has also always questioned me regardless of my read on him, which has been super helpful. Bakermir: I'm town-leaning, I do feel his D1 actions and posting persona matches what he's doing here on D2. Always keeping an open mind, and analyzing everyone. The only scum thing I see from him is SoD1, and that just may have been a play style or personality clash. He even tried to calm down Zedus and talk to him clearly. We used to think Zedus/Bakermir, but when Zedus turned up citizen I feel a lot of the reasons for suspecting Bakermir have disappeared or are weaker because of that. Dallarian/Deathworlds: I am curious to see where this goes with Deathworlds. I'm going to null until he posts more content. Though I will admit, Dallarian's activity levels were a bit suspicious before the replacement. Null. Grakylan: I'll be honest: If Bakermir claims citizen, i'm going to remove nearly all suspicion on him, as much as I would dislike to do so because then that suggests my tinfoil theory, which is part of the suspicion on Auwt is wrong. Scum-lean. Helltanis/Drizzt: I almost want to Town-lean him, given his neat introduction after the replacement. However, im going to null for the same reasons for Dallarian/Deathworlds. I wonder where this will go. Besides, one post shouldn't be enough to justify town, however I did suspect --at times-- that Helltanis on D1 was town. Renegade & Zedus: Obviously dead. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 905] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 12:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also if the replacements could post their reads list sometime on D2, that would great! (Unless the reads haven't changed). Dallarian's reads were at: #157, #500, #628 Helltanis's reads were at: #446 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 906] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 01:00 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I suppose it's also time for another reads list: (If you need a full history of my reads, Drizzt or deathworlds , they're at #43, #150, #244, #540, and #623). Auwt: This read is more or less connected to Grakylan, and vice versa. Although Ash's point about Grakylan being the only other TPR claim at the moment is valid, so im doubting this slightly, but not enough for me to remove my suspicions. Scum-lean, it used to be null but I feel with the reactions it's become more likely. Especially with the excess citizen claims that don't match the current town state. Scum lean. Ash Lael: Just town-locked. If he were ever seriously scum then my head is going to explode. However, i highly --more than anyone else-- doubt he is scum, for reasons stated in my previous reads. He has also always questioned me regardless of my read on him, which has been super helpful. Bakermir: I'm town-leaning, I do feel his D1 actions and posting persona matches what he's doing here on D2. Always keeping an open mind, and analyzing everyone. The only scum thing I see from him is SoD1, and that just may have been a play style or personality clash. He even tried to calm down Zedus and talk to him clearly. We used to think Zedus/Bakermir, but when Zedus turned up citizen I feel a lot of the reasons for suspecting Bakermir have disappeared or are weaker because of that. Dallarian/Deathworlds: I am curious to see where this goes with Deathworlds. I'm going to null until he posts more content. Though I will admit, Dallarian's activity levels were a bit suspicious before the replacement. Null. Grakylan: I'll be honest: If Bakermir claims citizen, i'm going to remove nearly all suspicion on him, as much as I would dislike to do so because then that suggests my tinfoil theory, which is part of the suspicion on Auwt is wrong. Scum-lean. Helltanis/Drizzt: I almost want to Town-lean him, given his neat introduction after the replacement. However, im going to null for the same reasons for Dallarian/Deathworlds. I wonder where this will go. Besides, one post shouldn't be enough to justify town, however I did suspect --at times-- that Helltanis on D1 was town. Renegade & Zedus: Obviously dead. I dont know why you focus on Grakylan, for now, only Ash and Grakylan are claiming power. Funny fact 2 town power still alive. They are safe. 1st option- bakermir claim citizen, Grakylan and Ash are 100% townie. 2nd option - bakermir claim power, then I want explanation since he didnt visit AND didnt counter claimed what Grakylan said. If Bakermir claim town power, we know there is 1 scum in Ash/Grakylan/bakermir and another scum in the Citizen claims If Bakermir claim Citizen, we know there are 2 scums in the Citizen list since Ash/Grakylan would be the only 2 to claim power. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 907] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 01:10 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I dont know why you focus on Grakylan, for now, only Ash and Grakylan are claiming power. Funny fact 2 town power still alive. They are safe. Well in my responses post, I believe, I said that lynching Grakylan would mean Ash's suspicion about the possibility (but it doesn't seem he 100% believe its probable, correct me if I'm wrong Ash Lael ) of an Auwt/Martin scum team would be impossible. But as both the responses post and my reads list suggests, I will determine whether to town-lean or scum-lean Grakylan depends on what Bakermir claims. Also it's entirely possible Bakermir is a non-visiting TPR.....like veteran for example. Or Busdriver, and bussed himself with someone he now knows was citizen. Heck, it would be epic to reveal town mayor/marshall, but i feel if he was then he may have revealed by now if he was. If he is Mayor/Marshall, he might be waiting for EoD2 or EoD3. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 908] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 01:11 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well in my responses post, I believe, I said that lynching Grakylan would mean Ash's suspicion about the possibility (but it doesn't seem he 100% believe its probable, correct me if I'm wrong Ash Lael ) of an Auwt/Martin scum team would be impossible. But as both the responses post and my reads list suggests, I will determine whether to town-lean or scum-lean Grakylan depends on what Bakermir claims. Also it's entirely possible Bakermir is a non-visiting TPR.....like veteran for example. Or Busdriver, and bussed himself with someone he now knows was citizen. Heck, it would be epic to reveal town mayor/marshall, but i feel if he was then he may have revealed by now if he was. If he is Mayor/Marshall, he might be waiting for EoD2 or EoD3. Or Ash was Busdriver, and had bussed Bakermir. But then that wouldn't make sense because Bakermir didn't counter claim his detective findings. Unless Busdriver + Non-visit TPR? But anyways, as I said, Ash is a trusted town to me. I don't think its necessary to know his role. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 909] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 01:19 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh and bakermir if you can please create a reads list sometime on D2, your last one was near SoD1, at #120. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 910] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 01:21 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well in my responses post, I believe, I said that lynching Grakylan would mean Ash's suspicion about the possibility (but it doesn't seem he 100% believe its probable, correct me if I'm wrong Ash Lael ) of an Auwt/Martin scum team would be impossible. But as both the responses post and my reads list suggests, I will determine whether to town-lean or scum-lean Grakylan depends on what Bakermir claims. Also it's entirely possible Bakermir is a non-visiting TPR.....like veteran for example. Or Busdriver, and bussed himself with someone he now knows was citizen. Heck, it would be epic to reveal town mayor/marshall, but i feel if he was then he may have revealed by now if he was. If he is Mayor/Marshall, he might be waiting for EoD2 or EoD3. Lets recap all town any. Not possible : Bodyguard - Move Doc - Move Escort - Move Coroner - Uh. Crier - There is none, dont move Detective - Move (and also claimed by Grakylan) Jailor - Do not move but nobody claimed jailed I believe Lookout - Move Marshall/Mayor - I wish he revealed earlier. Mason - I dont believe SJ would roll a solo Mason, thats... uh. Veteran - Wouldnt he have gone on alert? uh. Bus Driver - Move. And if so, he could confirm someone ? Vigilante - Hum, could be, but i dont feel like it. Citizen - I do not know if its possible to roll Citizen from Any Town in this setup :/ might need to ask SuperJack on this one, idk. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 911] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 01:29 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Citizen - I do not know if its possible to roll Citizen from Any Town in this setup :/ might need to ask SuperJack on this one, idk. Last i chekced, Citizen is possible from Town Any. The chance of it existing from one other possible Town Any is rather low though. One of the stats I calculated was the chance for any Town Any role assuming all 3 town Any's are unkown. There is a 17.6% (1 - (15/16)^3) chance for any one of the Town Any roles to exist at least once from the three town Any's. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 912] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 01:30 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Last i chekced, Citizen is possible from Town Any. The chance of it existing from one other possible Town Any is rather low though. One of the stats I calculated was the chance for any Town Any role assuming all 3 town Any's are unkown. There is a 17.6% (1 - (15/16)^3) chance for any one of the Town Any roles to exist at least once from the three town Any's. But considering that two of the Town Any's are claimed, the chance of citizen now is really low. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 913] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 01:31 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But considering that two of the Town Any's are claimed, the chance of citizen now is really low. Hence why I probably will remove my suspicion on Grakylan if Bakermir claims citizen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 914] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 28th, 2020 01:56 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Lets recap all town any. Not possible : Bodyguard - Move Doc - Move Escort - Move Coroner - Uh. Crier - There is none, dont move Detective - Move (and also claimed by Grakylan) Jailor - Do not move but nobody claimed jailed I believe Lookout - Move Marshall/Mayor - I wish he revealed earlier. Mason - I dont believe SJ would roll a solo Mason, thats... uh. Veteran - Wouldnt he have gone on alert? uh. Bus Driver - Move. And if so, he could confirm someone ? Vigilante - Hum, could be, but i dont feel like it. Citizen - I do not know if its possible to roll Citizen from Any Town in this setup :/ might need to ask SuperJack on this one, idk. Citizen is a possible role for Any Town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 915] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 02:18 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Last i chekced, Citizen is possible from Town Any. The chance of it existing from one other possible Town Any is rather low though. One of the stats I calculated was the chance for any Town Any role assuming all 3 town Any's are unkown. There is a 17.6% (1 - (15/16)^3) chance for any one of the Town Any roles to exist at least once from the three town Any's. Assuming any self respecting host uses strictly RNG to create their carefully crafted setup that they want people to enjoy was your first mistake. Also ffs you're only town reading 2 people? Who's your top scum read? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 916] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 02:21 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Assuming any self respecting host uses strictly RNG to create their carefully crafted setup that they want people to enjoy was your first mistake. Also ffs you're only town reading 2 people? Who's your top scum read? You know for a fact that there's only two scum, you need to narrow down your list. Granted drizzt and I literally just replaced in, hopefully that will be accomplished by eod. If you aren't lynched that is -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 917] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 02:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I should also note that I just woke up. I'm going to do a reread of thread and then make an actual reads list that isn't going to be half-assed and based on whrn I was halfway paying attention to the game -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 918] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 02:39 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Assuming any self respecting host uses strictly RNG to create their carefully crafted setup that they want people to enjoy was your first mistake. Also ffs you're only town reading 2 people? Who's your top scum read? As I've said, It largely depends on what Bakermir claims. Otherwise, i can't really determine if Grak is scum or town. Otherwise, I can't really say who else is town. If you read my past two reads (other than the one that i just posted), I believe I've stated that I would be least likely to lynch Dallarian (who is replaced by you now). Also, the read that I just posted nearly town-leaned Drizzt. Honestly, I believe its possible there would've been more town reads from me right now assuming the replacements didn't happen and everyone could stay active. But I have to hold my town-or-scum thoughts because replacements might disagree with their predecessor's thoughts and strategies. And on that point, i think its a bit unfair of you to judge me so harshly for the number of town reads that I have. You just replaced Dallarian, who had recently been rather inactive, and soon before that Drizzt replaced Helltanis. These are recent and notable developments, and neither of them have posted much (well, you're posting right now) for me to feel safe in any judgement i make in them -- whether it be town lean or scum lean. Additionally, I have to expect any host uses RNG. Otherwise, why leave it at Town Any? If you're implying that a setup with a Town Any that rolled citizen is unenjoyable, then the host should have thought of that and would've changed the setup or noted such in the post for signups. If the Host would re-roll any citizen roll from a Town Any, then he's doing me and the other noobs here a disservice by making the game not fair as it was represented to be something (which is Citizen from Town ANY is possible) when it was not. As for my top scum read, right now its Auwt unless Bakermir claims TPR, in which case I suspect Grakylan much more. Because in a gamestate where only 2 TPR's can live, Grakylan is the most supsicious out of the three that would be claiming to be TPR (Grakylan, Ash Lael, and Bakermir). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 919] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 02:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I should also note that I just woke up. I'm going to do a reread of thread and then make an actual reads list that isn't going to be half-assed and based on whrn I was halfway paying attention to the game Feel free to take your time. We still got about 23 hours left till EoD2, and having a clear mindset about things is the best chance to clarify issues and problems in order to generate (hopefully) a consensus within the town. I don't judge you for voting and pressuring me, as I've been a controversial figured this whole game -- and Ash has often been the one to scrutinize me every time for it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 920] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 02:52 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Additionally, I have to expect any host uses RNG. Otherwise, why leave it at Town Any? If you're implying that a setup with a Town Any that rolled citizen is unenjoyable, then the host should have thought of that and would've changed the setup or noted such in the post for signups. If the Host would re-roll any citizen roll from a Town Any, then he's doing me and the other noobs here a disservice by making the game not fair as it was represented to be something (which is Citizen from Town ANY is possible) when it was not. Here's a little bit of site history for y'all. In time immemorial (2016) us in the FM section of the site had someone who had a tissy fit over the semantics over the use of the words "random" or "hidden". First we kinda blew it off, but then came to the ethical conclusion that whenever we use the word "random" in our setups, we explicitly mean random as in RNG. If we use the word "hidden" then that could mean random, but it more often than not meant they were hand picked. Town Any could be just that, any town. It doesn't mean we're going to see two doctors in this setup, because we're not. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 921] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 02:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oops I meant 2015 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 922] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 28th, 2020 03:08 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 It doesn't mean we're going to see two doctors in this setup, because we're not. How are you so certain about that? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 923] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 03:09 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Here's a little bit of site history for y'all. In time immemorial (2016) us in the FM section of the site had someone who had a tissy fit over the semantics over the use of the words "random" or "hidden". First we kinda blew it off, but then came to the ethical conclusion that whenever we use the word "random" in our setups, we explicitly mean random as in RNG. If we use the word "hidden" then that could mean random, but it more often than not meant they were hand picked. Town Any could be just that, any town. It doesn't mean we're going to see two doctors in this setup, because we're not. I see. Thanks for the info. I presumed Town Any could've been the FM term for Town Random, since the signups implied that this setup was meant to be familiar to -Mafia- mod players with a heavy citizen role list. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 924] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 03:11 PM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 As for my top scum read, right now its Auwt unless Bakermir claims TPR, in which case I suspect Grakylan much more. Because in a gamestate where only 2 TPR's can live, Grakylan is the most supsicious out of the three that would be claiming to be TPR (Grakylan, Ash Lael, and Bakermir). When I see those kind of post, I just don't understand how you would see Ash being townier than Grakylan. Ash has been not that active the past hours (doesnt mean much still). But overall, no progress has been made. He hasnt been claiming his power role. I will be honest, right now, I do not know if I should be confident of a fully town Ash. In the other hand, Grakylan has been "waking up" since D2 and has show good progress, even willing to claim his role, and his target action. I know there is a slight possibility that Grakylan is trying to pocket me. I am aware of this. I would like you to explain why you would (blindly? idk if its the right word tho) follow Ash more than Grakylan. They both voted up Zedus last day, and personnaly I didnt like how Ash just then instantly led the train when I was mentionning a vote on bakermir. For now I will hold to my oldest read. Since I'm waiting for Zedus to possibly make a claim EOD1/SOD2, And Helltanis/Grakylan seem to be either citizen or hiding behind null reads (alongside with bakermir) bakermir Wait, WTF? Two posts ago you said it was between Zedus and Grakylan and now you post this? How did you suddenly drop your top two scum reads for a third option with none of them posting anything new in that time? Then this happend Ash Lael That's consistent of Auwt to vote on bakermir. And this ? I don't think he was necessarily being inconsistent here. He was asking my opinion on bakemir a few pages ago, suggesting bakermir is indeed on his radar. My pool of lynch candidates at the moment are Hellantris, Grak, and Zedus, and am willing to consider Bakermir. And this... I would have to second this. As much as I might be okay with lynching bakermir. I just cant feel confident (with my possible bias) in lynching him unless there's good reasons to do so. And then Ash has to explain himself For the record, bakermir is and remains my strongest town read and he has been ever since like page 2[/COLOR]. I’m comfortable with the idea of Renegade/Dallarian/Auwt being town but [COLOR="#FFA500"]I’m confident in bakermir. There’s no hidden agenda with this guy. He’s out to catch scum. Yeah he’s been a bit tunelly on Martin, but townies tunnel! If anything that’s more Town indicative than otherwise. Idk why he is defending bakermir that hard tho, reading someone as a town is fine, but this is another level. It's almost like he's trying to appologize for bakermir actions on D1. And btw how the hell could you townread bakermir action since page 2... I do not see anything town sided from him... This is also fair. I have no objection to the guy being interrogated - I could be wrong about him, after all. But lynching him today just seems like a losing play to me. At least it could be true if Ash is teamed up with Bakermir. During all of these quotes you tried to bring attention out of bakermir, because of your town read on him. Ash, you seem to be a really good player, but I dont understand at all why you would townread bakermir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 925] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 03:11 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How are you so certain about that? Way I see it, if you and Ash are the last two TPR's, it doesn't matter if 2 doctors was possible from the start because you claimed detective. If ash is doctor, then he'll just get shot tonight. Or at least i gifugre he might be the most likely kill target tonight. Im just too controversial to be killed, imo, because they can just kill Ash and then on D3 they'll try to argue for my lynching. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 926] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 03:17 PM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I am either willing Ash to claim something, or making an ISO on each of us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 927] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 03:26 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 How are you so certain about that? Because that's how mafia works. Memes aside, because two doctors would be pretty busted in this setup if town also had a detective (assuming the earlier tpr claims were accurate, which I'm inclined to believe until further info presents itself). Most setups are based off of the balancing of what is considered to be probably the most balanced game on the site, ever (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/21719-M-FM-XIX-The-Curse-of-Castle-Varen-Gamethread). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 928] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 03:27 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Way I see it, if you and Ash are the last two TPR's, it doesn't matter if 2 doctors was possible from the start because you claimed detective. If ash is doctor, then he'll just get shot tonight. Or at least i gifugre he might be the most likely kill target tonight. Im just too controversial to be killed, imo, because they can just kill Ash and then on D3 they'll try to argue for my lynching. My heart says Martin is town but my head remembers how he was nice to me so quickly after I accused him- I quickly claimed I did it to see who jumped on the accusation. He could have just been genuinely welcoming to me, or he could have been playing on my newb tendency to find someone nice to follow. So he is at a .5 sus. DW, IDK. Some has been said, but i'll need to go back and see who he replaced and make a judgement then. He's right now my prime suspect. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 929] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 03:28 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 When I see those kind of post, I just don't understand how you would see Ash being townier than Grakylan. Ash has been not that active the past hours (doesnt mean much still). But overall, no progress has been made. He hasnt been claiming his power role. I will be honest, right now, I do not know if I should be confident of a fully town Ash. In the other hand, Grakylan has been "waking up" since D2 and has show good progress, even willing to claim his role, and his target action. I know there is a slight possibility that Grakylan is trying to pocket me. I am aware of this. I would like you to explain why you would (blindly? idk if its the right word tho) follow Ash more than Grakylan. They both voted up Zedus last day, and personnaly I didnt like how Ash just then instantly led the train when I was mentionning a vote on bakermir. Then this happend And this ? And this... And then Ash has to explain himself Idk why he is defending bakermir that hard tho, reading someone as a town is fine, but this is another level. It's almost like he's trying to appologize for bakermir actions on D1. And btw how the hell could you townread bakermir action since page 2... I do not see anything town sided from him... At least it could be true if Ash is teamed up with Bakermir. During all of these quotes you tried to bring attention out of bakermir, because of your town read on him. Ash, you seem to be a really good player, but I dont understand at all why you would townread bakermir. I can't really reveal when I would start suspecting ash, but please do know that what would make me suspect Ash is not related to what Ash does at all. And no, I'm not ever going to elaborate on that. To me, it would be very unlikely for whatever would make me suspect Ash to occur (unless I had stated it, in which case it would be very easy to manipulate it into occurring). Otherwise, i think he has been showing all the traits of a townie since day 1. He questions many people, he keeps a hold of his thoughts and feelings (while being flexible enough for new ones), and much more. Also, comparing to grakylan, Bakermir's activities have stayed relatively the same style when comparing day 1 and 2. Ash denoted that all the sudden Grakylan seems to up his game when D2 hits, as compared to D1. Besides, its easier to create cherry picked arguments against someone when they have 157 posts. For example, you don't include this: Yeah I’m aware that he’s been dissing bakemir for a while. That’s not my issue. My issue is that he had seemingly progressed from that and had explicitly been weighing up two other players. Then bam, that gets discarded for no clear reason. As town it’s fine to change your mind. We all get stuff wrong, hopefully we all reassess. But it’s important to explain your thought processes. And he's absolutely right. With so few posts in between your accusation, and this: As to myself I see 2 scum team comp possible at the moment. First one is Zedus/bakermir, I'm pretty sure at least one of them is on the dark side. They both tunneled very hard on Martin, and as Zedus said, he is ready to see Martin be lynched even though he might be a townie. He has his own reason, we probably wont make him change his mind (although I dont like this mindset). Bakermir on the other hand blindly followed Ash's early vote on Martin without saying much reasons, could be seen as an attempt to get a train starting. The second one is Dallarian/Martin, as I said Dallarian like using non town inclusive pronouns and speech and tried his best to get Martin in a safer spot. Martin could be seen as a misleading townie as Zedus pointed out some post above in that case. I will try to look more into those possibilites. Making those kind of post could significantly help us in the next days, everyone should consider trying to make a bind between someone you voted and their possible ally. Its fairly easy for townies to not see the entirety of your thought process. Not to mention, you've only made one reads list at #150, so its sometimes hard to guess your current reads at any time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 930] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 03:29 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Its fairly easy for townies to not see the entirety of your thought process. Not to mention, you've only made one reads list at #150, so its sometimes hard to guess your current reads at any time. Especially since you suggested a Zedus/Bakermir is a scum team composition, not one of them being a lone-wolf scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 931] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 03:30 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh i meant the reads list was at #154, not #150. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 932] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Holy shit Auwt, stop trying to push me into revealing my role. Is it inconceivable to you that there may be situations for town where it’s better if the scum don’t know what they’re dealing with? Or is that the exact reason you’re pushing for it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 933] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And I’ve been inactive for a while because it is now 9am here and my last post was at something like 2:30am and I do occasionally sleep. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 934] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And I’ve been inactive for a while because it is now 9am here and my last post was at something like 2:30am and I do occasionally sleep. Damn we really do be international this game. I'm still reading thread, and I'm picking out posts that I like/don't like -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 935] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 fucking quoter broke fml -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 936] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:18 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Holy shit Auwt, stop trying to push me into revealing my role. Is it inconceivable to you that there may be situations for town where it’s better if the scum don’t know what they’re dealing with? Or is that the exact reason you’re pushing for it? Tension Tension Tension. Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 937] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Fucking hell, well I'm too lazy to pick things back up from before #246, which was Good night. I have no idea what I will be doing today (26 June) all the day. I may be active just as yesterday, or will be unable to contribute in significant way. I hope you will find something to agree on. I will leave you with one question. Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin? Is this where y'all thought Dall was softin' invest? Lmao, he was just tryin' ask if they were worth keeping alive for invests to check them, which our one invest claim didn't do Kappa -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 938] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 As for why I town read Bakemir - it’s about mindset. Everything he posts, to me, feels like it comes from a mindset of wanting to hunt and wanting to solve. I could iso him to show examples and why I think that, but he’s now a greenchecked citizen by an uncounterclaimed detective. So if you’re arguing he’s scum you’re basically mechanically proven wrong. If he were to claim power role all of a sudden and I had to choose between him and Grak I’d do the due diligence and test out if I’d misread the guy, but right now recent developments are telling me my read was right and your read - or pretend read - is wrong. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 939] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted. oh what's the alternative? he claims scum? lmao -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 940] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:22 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 ugh I just got back and started preparing a wall post then boom, power outage. I guess this is one of those games a laptop would be much better to have than a desktop PC. Also, I am ALL IN for lynching citizens today and even tomorrow as the things stand. I am not going to confirm Grakylan fully but I am most probably not gonna vote him simply because he is TPR and he was reasonable with his latest posts. I have one more suggestion; maybe we can lynch Dallarian slot because I am getting the feeling that new player claiming citizen without reads is hella sus to me. Do we really have the time for him? I will do my best to respond everything in my upcoming posts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 941] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:22 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grak, you mind doing me a huge favor and explaining why exact you targeted bake? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 942] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Damn we really do be international this game. I'm still reading thread, and I'm picking out posts that I like/don't like Oh okay, my apologies. Ignore my suggestion about lynching Dallarian/deathworlds for now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 943] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 04:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Fucking hell, well I'm too lazy to pick things back up from before #246, which was Is this where y'all thought Dall was softin' invest? Lmao, he was just tryin' ask if they were worth keeping alive for invests to check them, which our one invest claim didn't do Kappa I didn't think, others did. In fact, i think someone else earlier than that asked the exact same question and nobody said they were softin invest. So i mostly ignored it. Tension Tension Tension. Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted. I think regardless what Ash claimed, as long as it was town, I would believe him based on my read lists and their reasons :/. I just have him 99% town locked, and im 99% sure its going to stay that way for the rest of the FM game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 944] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 oh what's the alternative? he claims scum? lmao Touché. Let me rephrase. Have you claimed a town role yet? We have so many citizens already. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 945] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:24 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I have one more suggestion; maybe we can lynch Dallarian slot because I am getting the feeling that new player claiming citizen without reads is hella sus to me. Do we really have the time for him? I hate the fact that you're probably town and that we're stuck with you -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 946] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:25 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Tension Tension Tension. Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted. Wow, read the damn thread. I and Grak have outed ourselves as power roles and everyone has had a chance to counterclaim and no one has done so. At this point, we are both mechanically locked town. Which is freaking me out a bit to be honest, I really was thinking Grak was scum from his reactions to my outing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 947] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Tension Tension Tension. Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted. Hmm Auwt done the same on day one for me. He didn't even take my apology for early game and kept goin on how scummy I am and Zedus for artificial reasons. ON Day Two Auwt seemed to change his campaign towards Ash/Bakermir and a bit of push on Martin. I still want to believe Auwt is a townie because he is playing way different than his previous 2 FM games where has a scum. However, this could also be an improvement to his scum play. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 948] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:27 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Holy shit Auwt, stop trying to push me into revealing my role. Is it inconceivable to you that there may be situations for town where it’s better if the scum don’t know what they’re dealing with? Or is that the exact reason you’re pushing for it? Im just seeing someone claiming the easy role of Town Power, to get out of the Citizen block. As long you do not claim your thing, you are still a potential scum. Power can be scum or town, Citizen can only be town. There is a big difference between those kind of claims. As we are trying to clear the Citizen side from an obvious scum, I do not consider claiming your power role is anti-town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 949] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I hate the fact that you're probably town and that we're stuck with you And I hate the fact that you replaced a null slot and continue to be null -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 950] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 04:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 ugh I just got back and started preparing a wall post then boom, power outage. I guess this is one of those games a laptop would be much better to have than a desktop PC. Also, I am ALL IN for lynching citizens today and even tomorrow as the things stand. I am not going to confirm Grakylan fully but I am most probably not gonna vote him simply because he is TPR and he was reasonable with his latest posts. I have one more suggestion; maybe we can lynch Dallarian slot because I am getting the feeling that new player claiming citizen without reads is hella sus to me. Do we really have the time for him? This heavily implies he claims citizen. So I believe Grakylan is 100% Town, along with ash as they're the last two TPR's. If he was TPR who wasn't going against Grakylan, and softing citizen, then he would be pushing Ash right now because of the max 2 town PR circumstances. So Bakermir is citizen. Unless one of us citizens is a Town Any citizen, then we got two scum claiming citizen. This also means Ash is 100% town too, so Auwt's push on him is completely senseless. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 951] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:31 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Im just seeing someone claiming the easy role of Town Power, to get out of the Citizen block. As long you do not claim your thing, you are still a potential scum. Power can be scum or town, Citizen can only be town. There is a big difference between those kind of claims. As we are trying to clear the Citizen side from an obvious scum, I do not consider claiming your power role is anti-town. Yeah ash I gotta go with Auwt. We should be laying our cards on the table and try to solve the game, that includes bakermir. In case anyone missed it earlier, Dallarain claimed Citizen, and I'm reinforcing that claim. Man, I really dislike when games enter the sort of puzzle solving stage this early, I like to see power role interactions a bit more. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 952] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 04:32 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Wow, read the damn thread. I and Grak have outed ourselves as power roles and everyone has had a chance to counterclaim and no one has done so. At this point, we are both mechanically locked town. Which is freaking me out a bit to be honest, I really was thinking Grak was scum from his reactions to my outing. I did too, but then again, this is why discussion is so important. We shouldn't immediately discard those feelings though because of the chance that on D3 or D4 we have reason to suspect the third Town Any rolled citizen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 953] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh and I also stand by the Zedus lynch, guy was anti-town as fuck, and I don't really care about D1 TPR claims. Scummy and anti-town behavior get you lynched, period well unless you're mechanically confirmed town, which at that point fuck you for playing bad. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 954] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Wow, read the damn thread. I and Grak have outed ourselves as power roles and everyone has had a chance to counterclaim and no one has done so. At this point, we are both mechanically locked town. Which is freaking me out a bit to be honest, I really was thinking Grak was scum from his reactions to my outing. That's a lot of reading when I can just ask you. It also gives me a reading on how patient you are. Not very, seems to be the answer. If everything is a clue, even my laziness can be used for something. So I repeat, his hyperfocus on you is noted. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 955] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This heavily implies he claims citizen. So I believe Grakylan is 100% Town, along with ash as they're the last two TPR's. If he was TPR who wasn't going against Grakylan, and softing citizen, then he would be pushing Ash right now because of the max 2 town PR circumstances. So Bakermir is citizen. Unless one of us citizens is a Town Any citizen, then we got two scum claiming citizen. This also means Ash is 100% town too, so Auwt's push on him is completely senseless. You are wrong in a sense but also right on other. I also believe both scums are in citizen pool with a small possibility of Grakylan being a liar scum. I tried my best to push him but he was reasonable. Also inb4 deathworlds is our new "town leader" FeelsBadMan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 956] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 04:35 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 That's a lot of reading when I can just ask you. It also gives me a reading on how patient you are. Not very, seems to be the answer. If everything is a clue, even my laziness can be used for something. So I repeat, his hyperfocus on you is noted. His opening statement to me is an example of him watching for patience. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 957] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:35 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hmm Auwt done the same on day one for me. He didn't even take my apology for early game and kept goin on how scummy I am and Zedus for artificial reasons. ON Day Two Auwt seemed to change his campaign towards Ash/Bakermir and a bit of push on Martin. I still want to believe Auwt is a townie because he is playing way different than his previous 2 FM games where has a scum. However, this could also be an improvement to his scum play. Martin has been popping up a lot lately from multiple sources. I'm moving his susp level to .75. Still looking at DW as scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 958] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:36 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Did grak ever explain why he targeted bake? It seems like a weird choice from my PoV -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 959] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 His opening statement to me is an example of him watching for patience. Looking for an ally in Ash, or just genuinely concerned about hist patient reputation? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 960] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway on a lighter note I was just on the Game 8 podcast for Mafia Champs. So if you guys want to see me in the flesh talking mafia, check it out: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/664306128 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 961] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:40 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Did grak ever explain why he targeted bake? It seems like a weird choice from my PoV I personally questioned him for this earlier in Day Two. I believe you were mentoring Dallarian here. This is quite a low effort coming from a "notable" player. How the fuck you don't know the answer to this question? I suggest you start spilling your reads or get voted. Your replacement didn't clear any suspicions we had over Dallarian and now you acting like you don't know shit makes it worse. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 962] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:41 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway on a lighter note I was just on the Game 8 podcast for Mafia Champs. So if you guys want to see me in the flesh talking mafia, check it out: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/664306128 This looks cool, thank you for that. Do you have more streams? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 963] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I personally questioned him for this earlier in Day Two. I believe you were mentoring Dallarian here. This is quite a low effort coming from a "notable" player. How the fuck you don't know the answer to this question? I suggest you start spilling your reads or get voted. Your replacement didn't clear any suspicions we had over Dallarian and now you acting like you don't know shit makes it worse. As a mentor it isn't my job to hold the hand of my student and tell him exactly what to say when, I provided advise when prompted, taught basic scumhunting, and kept somewhat up with the game, I know a decent amount about what happened but I wasn't watching the thread like a hawk. This is a disingenuous argument and you know it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 964] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:43 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh i meant the reads list was at #154, not #150. I will get back to you soon about this and also about Grakylan. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 965] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:44 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This looks cool, thank you for that. Do you have more streams? Not my stream, it’s Thingyman’s. I was just a guest as I played in the game. He’s got a podcast for each of the games this season, with players from the games coming on and chatting about their specific game and also more general mafia stuff. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 966] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:46 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 As a mentor it isn't my job to hold the hand of my student and tell him exactly what to say when, I provided advise when prompted, taught basic scumhunting, and kept somewhat up with the game, I know a decent amount about what happened but I wasn't watching the thread like a hawk. This is a disingenuous argument and you know it. I've openly accused you twice and no reaction. Late to read my posts, or are you hoping they'll go away? Or maybe I just don't merit a response. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 967] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 04:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I'm thinking rather gun-to-the-head here, without much specific quotes to reinforce this for now. Since grakylan cant be scum, mechanically speaking, then that lessens my tinfoil theory on Auwt by a notable amount primarily because I felt Grakylan was his scum teammate. The only other possibilities I see at Dallarian (Deathworlds) and Helltanis (Drizzt). Technically im also a possible scum mate for him too, but since I know who I am, which is town, I cant consider that. Auwt has butted heads with Dallarian before -- in fact Dallarian's last post of EoD1 is what made me give a closer look at Auwt, since he was suggesting that Auwt was being too influential for just his activities between #100 - #200. That leaves Helltanis. And when i did that big ISO's-for-everyone post, he said this: Every answer from any of you is very welcome, so thanks. I also believe Martin put so much effort toward the game and his last full ISO was really relevant and very close to my actual thoughts. I wouldnt vote for Zedus right now, he should survive the night. If he does so, we should really push him for his role since apparently he claimed being power. My "last full ISO" was on Helltanis (Drizzt). And I said he was a helpless town player who was 100% new to Mafia. Auwt hasn't really conflicted with him, but he has at one point or another with everyone else. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 968] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 04:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So if Auwt is scum, then its Helltanis/Drizzt. If its not, then Auwt cannot be scum. Plain and simple, unless Auwt and Dallarian somehow coordinated distancing on D1, where mafia didn't have a n0 night chat, and dont have day chats. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 969] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Touché. Let me rephrase. Have you claimed a town role yet? We have so many citizens already. My heart says Martin is town but my head remembers how he was nice to me so quickly after I accused him- I quickly claimed I did it to see who jumped on the accusation. He could have just been genuinely welcoming to me, or he could have been playing on my newb tendency to find someone nice to follow. So he is at a .5 sus. DW, IDK. Some has been said, but i'll need to go back and see who he replaced and make a judgement then. He's right now my prime suspect. I've openly accused you twice and no reaction. Late to read my posts, or are you hoping they'll go away? Or maybe I just don't merit a response. I answered the first quote in another post where I reinforced the citizen claim the prior player in my slot made, didn't feel a need to quote @you specifically. As for the second one, I genuinely didn't see it. Why is a null slot your prime suspect? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 970] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyways guys we’re at a point where we can pretty much say there are two scum in the group of Auwt/Martin/Drizzt/Deathworlds outside of weird edge situations like only 2 PRs in the setup or bakemir being a Godfather. We have three lynches to find those two scum. I like those odds. My claiming strategy has worked out far better than I could have hoped. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 971] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 04:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway on a lighter note I was just on the Game 8 podcast for Mafia Champs. So if you guys want to see me in the flesh talking mafia, check it out: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/664306128 Oh neat, I was waiting for that episode to come out. Sorry for you about the player who breached the game integrity and ruined it for you though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 972] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:53 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I answered the first quote in another post where I reinforced the citizen claim the prior player in my slot made, didn't feel a need to quote @you specifically. As for the second one, I genuinely didn't see it. Why is a null slot your prime suspect? I believe you, but I need somebody to look at until I look at somebody else. Don't we have too many Citizens, methinks perhaps we should start with that list. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 973] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 04:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Looking for an ally in Ash, or just genuinely concerned about hist patient reputation? Oh when i said "his" i was referring to you. after you replaced Helltanis. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 974] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 04:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I believe you, but I need somebody to look at until I look at somebody else. Don't we have too many Citizens, methinks perhaps we should start with that list. Yeah, assuming both TPR claims are true and accurate we lynch between Drizzt, MartinGG99, Auwt, Bakemir, and myself I guess if we're considering everyone else's PoV. I'm sticking on Martin for now for his scummy D1 play and his hyperattentiveness to how he presents himself, wolves try to be aware over how they present and type to try to avoid slipping. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 975] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 04:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh when i said "his" i was referring to you. after you replaced Helltanis. Personally, I dont think Ash's level of patience is relevant to his alignment. He isn't impatient but i wouldn't exactly say he's super patient either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 976] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 04:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 As a mentor it isn't my job to hold the hand of my student and tell him exactly what to say when, I provided advise when prompted, taught basic scumhunting, and kept somewhat up with the game, I know a decent amount about what happened but I wasn't watching the thread like a hawk. This is a disingenuous argument and you know it. Nah mate, I am quite honest. You have replaced a suspicious player and I believe I am not the only one in this; you trying to lay low, claiming citizen, claiming not reading key posts, not providing reads. Positioning yourself at the bottom of roles list and questioning our TPR's is a big no no. You are first in line to get lynched here and the quicker you realize that, higher the chances you will avoid a lynch today. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 977] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 04:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh when i said "his" i was referring to you. after you replaced Helltanis. Gotcha -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 978] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 04:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh neat, I was waiting for that episode to come out. Sorry for you about the player who breached the game integrity and ruined it for you though. Thanks mate. Yeah no worries, it’s just a game. Anyways I have stuff to do in my day so I can’t babysit this thread forever. At this stage I’m looking at Auwt for today’s lynch, but I want to go back and reassess properly first and see if his day start was as bad as I felt it was in the moment. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 979] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 05:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Nah mate, I am quite honest. You have replaced a suspicious player and I believe I am not the only one in this; you trying to lay low, claiming citizen, claiming not reading key posts, not providing reads. Positioning yourself at the bottom of roles list and questioning our TPR's is a big no no. You are first in line to get lynched here and the quicker you realize that, higher the chances you will avoid a lynch today. I'm more than aware that people are watching me and how my prior slot might've been considered suspicious. But trying to claim that I'm laying low, and that we shouldn't try to question and get valuable information out of our TPRs is right out bud. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 980] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 05:04 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Man we're spread out today aren't we? If I'm reading the thread right, at this moment: I want to lynch Auwt (but that might change) Ash wants to lynch Auwt Bakermir wants to lynch Deathworlds Deathworlds wants to lynch MartinGG99 Drizzts wants to lynch...no one yet? He's probably still deciding. Maybe Deathworlds or Ash considering his recent posts. Auwt was pressuring Ash on his last post, so I think he wants to lynch Ash. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 981] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 05:05 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm more than aware that people are watching me and how my prior slot might've been considered suspicious. But trying to claim that I'm laying low, and that we shouldn't try to question and get valuable information out of our TPRs is right out bud. Gods if you weren't a very likely town I'd suggest you try to poke the same kinda reactions out of Drizzt, you might get what your looking for then. But I'm pretty sure this is just a mixture of town paranoia and being angy at the possibility of a null read being town -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 982] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 05:10 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So if Auwt is scum, then its Helltanis/Drizzt. If its not, then Auwt cannot be scum. Plain and simple, unless Auwt and Dallarian somehow coordinated distancing on D1, where mafia didn't have a n0 night chat, and dont have day chats. Ive already talked about Helltanis, he withdrew his vote by editing his post, and posted that it would be better to wait for a mentor, if thats not town leaning, idk what you want. He also mentionned the 1 extra life thing. I believe this is a "soft?" citizen claim? Dont you think so? I have to wait a bit to analyze Drizzt, but my read on Helltanis will certainly be copy pasta to Drizzt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 983] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 05:14 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ive already talked about Helltanis, he withdrew his vote by editing his post, and posted that it would be better to wait for a mentor, if thats not town leaning, idk what you want. He also mentionned the 1 extra life thing. I believe this is a "soft?" citizen claim? Dont you think so? I have to wait a bit to analyze Drizzt, but my read on Helltanis will certainly be copy pasta to Drizzt. How is that town? That’s just derp. Sorry, gotta make myself stop checking the phone and get some work done. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 984] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 05:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm sticking on Martin for now for his scummy D1 play and his hyperattentiveness to how he presents himself, wolves try to be aware over how they present and type to try to avoid slipping. I would like to add I was nervous to get a conversation started so I could do my ISO-reads-for-everyone effort post at #540. Also, the majority of us are noobs (or at least were). Some of us make mistakes, and some of those were my first ever in FM. My biggest mistake (that i can't wrap my head around) was temporarily tunneling grak as Town on D1. Townies aren't perfect, especially noobs. Not everyone can do things perfectly as town, so there are town slips that look scummy. But that's because we're trying to climb up the mountain that is behavioral analysis. To start and keep discussion, while keeping a clear mindset to pierce the veil that surrounds every game and to find who is town and who is not. I don't blame you for suspecting me, but I hope that if you do lynch me in the end then you'll be able to see clearly who is scum and who is not, even if those people that are scum were people that I never suspected. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 985] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 28th, 2020 05:14 PM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyways guys we’re at a point where we can pretty much say there are two scum in the group of Auwt/Martin/Drizzt/Deathworlds outside of weird edge situations like only 2 PRs in the setup or bakemir being a Godfather. We have three lynches to find those two scum. I like those odds. My claiming strategy has worked out far better than I could have hoped. If that was actually the case... But somehow bakermir doesnt want to open claim citizen, if he does so the 2 scums would be in the Auwt/Martin/Drizzt/DW/bakermir. I'm taking myself and Drizzt out of here for now, I dont see him being a scum. My last sentence only reflects my mind since its absolutely not objective cause I talked also about myself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 986] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 05:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Gods if you weren't a very likely town I'd suggest you try to poke the same kinda reactions out of Drizzt, you might get what your looking for then. But I'm pretty sure this is just a mixture of town paranoia and being angy at the possibility of a null read being town Fair point. However, his play has been consistent with how Helltanis played on Day One. You seem to have an entirely different approach than Dallarian. Now, let's not forget you know this game very well compared to most of us and it was Dallarian's first game. This is the only reason I am giving you time. Welcome to downtown. What are your thoughts on Martin and Auwt? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 987] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 05:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Fair point. However, his play has been consistent with how Helltanis played on Day One. You seem to have an entirely different approach than Dallarian. Now, let's not forget you know this game very well compared to most of us and it was Dallarian's first game. This is the only reason I am giving you time. Welcome to downtown. What are your thoughts on Martin and Auwt? I'm still catching up, I'm on post 478 but the more I read the more I like Auwt and am reminded of his gameplay in standoff. I can't say the same of Martin unfortunately. Am I overanalzing? probably, but with the stage of the game we're in and how there's limited options to choose between I think Martin is the safest lynch. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 988] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 05:21 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh one last thing: DW, Drizzt: please take the time left in the day to go back and build a proper case against one or two of the other slots in your four person group. Someone in this group is getting lynched and at least two are town. We need to be able to identify at least one of the group as town to have a winning POE, and helping us solve the group is the best way to show us that you’re the person we can afford to not lynch. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 989] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 05:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Man we're spread out today aren't we? If I'm reading the thread right, at this moment: I want to lynch Auwt (but that might change) Ash wants to lynch Auwt Bakermir wants to lynch Deathworlds Deathworlds wants to lynch MartinGG99 Drizzts wants to lynch...no one yet? He's probably still deciding. Maybe Deathworlds or Ash considering his recent posts. Auwt was pressuring Ash on his last post, so I think he wants to lynch Ash. Good summary, does anyone disagree with this list up to this point? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 990] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 05:25 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh one last thing: DW, Drizzt: please take the time left in the day to go back and build a proper case against one or two of the other slots in your four person group. Someone in this group is getting lynched and at least two are town. We need to be able to identify at least one of the group as town to have a winning POE, and helping us solve the group is the best way to show us that you’re the person we can afford to not lynch. I know you weren't asking me, but: I have the case that I've mentioned quite a few times arleady against Auwt. However, since Grakylan is mechanically town, my (quickly reevaluated, as in not in-depth) scum mate guess for him is Helltanis (Drizzt), but I feel the connection there is weaker than what I had initally proposed about Grakylan/Auwt before Grakylan got confirmed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 991] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 05:26 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh one last thing: DW, Drizzt: please take the time left in the day to go back and build a proper case against one or two of the other slots in your four person group. Someone in this group is getting lynched and at least two are town. We need to be able to identify at least one of the group as town to have a winning POE, and helping us solve the group is the best way to show us that you’re the person we can afford to not lynch. Your request is noted. As Martin said, I am taking in information and will give a decision after the voting begins. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 992] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 05:30 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh one last thing: DW, Drizzt: please take the time left in the day to go back and build a proper case against one or two of the other slots in your four person group. Someone in this group is getting lynched and at least two are town. We need to be able to identify at least one of the group as town to have a winning POE, and helping us solve the group is the best way to show us that you’re the person we can afford to not lynch. Ofc Btw to everyone, I work funky shifts and am actually quite busy tonight. I'll keep reading and contributing throughout the rest of the day cyle, but I'm probably not gonna be here at EoD because I think I'm gonna be dead asleep by then, idk I haven't caught up to the day 2 countdown yet lmao -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 993] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 05:31 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ofc Btw to everyone, I work funky shifts and am actually quite busy tonight. I'll keep reading and contributing throughout the rest of the day cyle, but I'm probably not gonna be here at EoD because I think I'm gonna be dead asleep by then, idk I haven't caught up to the day 2 countdown yet lmao deathworlds EOD2 happens in 20 hours 30 mins I believe. For EST, that's 5PM tomorrow. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 994] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 05:35 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 deathworlds EOD2 happens in 20 hours 30 mins I believe. For EST, that's 5PM tomorrow. Yeah I'm going to be asleep, I get off shift at 10EST (im PST) and I'm home usually an hour later. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 995] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 05:54 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I tried to get a list of all the possible (regardless of plausibility unless i thought it was really really unlikely) scum team combos, from my PoV: Auwt + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt Grakylan + Helltanis/Drizzt (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) So, excluding Grakylan, this leaves: Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 996] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 05:59 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If Grakylan is indeed mechanically town, then he confirmed Bakermir on n1 with his detective check. This leaves us with Helltanis/Drizzt popping up twice in the list above, and these are the possible scum (For me, anyways): Auwt Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 997] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 06:03 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I tried to get a list of all the possible (regardless of plausibility unless i thought it was really really unlikely) scum team combos, from my PoV: Auwt + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt Grakylan + Helltanis/Drizzt (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) So, excluding Grakylan, this leaves: Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt Now this is interesting. Eliminating possibilities; once again, does anyone disagree with this list of possible combinations? Taking me out leaves the following on your list I believe: Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Dallarian/Deathworlds + Grakylan Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds That is assuming you are in fact town, which is not yet a fact, but I like lists. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 998] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:08 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Now this is interesting. Eliminating possibilities; once again, does anyone disagree with this list of possible combinations? Taking me out leaves the following on your list I believe: Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Dallarian/Deathworlds + Grakylan Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds That is assuming you are in fact town, which is not yet a fact, but I like lists. So what's your opinion on the possible scum combos that involve me? Personally I kind of see Martin + Grakylan (because of my baseless tunnel), i've been accused of or been suggested Martin + Auwt by Ash at one point on D2, and Martin + Dallarian/Deathworlds on mid D1 by Auwt. Its also been suggested early D1 for Zedus/Martin, but we all know that's not true since Zedus is dead. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 999] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:10 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh and I supposed Helltanis/Drizzt + Martin is possible, but we both know we're not connected to each other. But the other towns don't know that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1000] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 06:10 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So what's your opinion on the possible scum combos that involve me? Personally I kind of see Martin + Grakylan (because of my baseless tunnel), i've been accused of or been suggested Martin + Auwt by Ash at one point on D2, and Martin + Dallarian/Deathworlds on mid D1 by Auwt. Its also been suggested early D1 for Zedus/Martin, but we all know that's not true since Zedus is dead. I think it is either you or DW. And I think the moment I start giving opinions is the moment I display my level of ignorance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1001] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:15 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I think it is either you or DW. And I think the moment I start giving opinions is the moment I display my level of ignorance. Don't take attacks as an implication of your ignorance. Assuming you're town then you're making your best effort to decide that, and that's all that matters. None of us can be omniscient other than the mafia, and they have to fake being non-omniscient, to not be all-knowing about alignments. That's the gimmick of Mafia, an uninformed majority against an informed minority. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1002] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:16 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Don't take attacks as an implication of your ignorance. Assuming you're town then you're making your best effort to decide that, and that's all that matters. None of us can be omniscient other than the mafia, and they have to fake being non-omniscient, to not be all-knowing about alignments. That's the gimmick of Mafia, an uninformed majority against an informed minority. Erm, in other words, accept having some ignorance. Its impossible to avoid as town. And if you do feel you are ignorant, don't take it negatively. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1003] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:23 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If Grakylan is indeed mechanically town, then he confirmed Bakermir on n1 with his detective check. This leaves us with Helltanis/Drizzt popping up twice in the list above, and these are the possible scum (For me, anyways): Auwt Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds Looking back on the list, it seems that I would have to lynch you [MENTION]Drizzt[/MENITON], unfortunately. In either Auwt's or Dallarian/Deathworld's case, you must be scum. Only way you cant be is if one of the Town Any's rolled Citizen. In which case, that means lynching Grakylan. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1004] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:24 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Woops, typo. Meant Drizzt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1005] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 06:26 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Don't take attacks as an implication of your ignorance. Assuming you're town then you're making your best effort to decide that, and that's all that matters. None of us can be omniscient other than the mafia, and they have to fake being non-omniscient, to not be all-knowing about alignments. That's the gimmick of Mafia, an uninformed majority against an informed minority. Well, after removing myself, as I know I'm citizen, that leaves DW on each of your possibility lists. Meaning, either you are lying, your lists are wrong, or you are right and DW is scum. Is my logic flawed? Cause thats what i'm going on so far. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1006] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:27 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Looking back on the list, it seems that I would have to lynch you Drizzt, unfortunately. In either Auwt's or Dallarian/Deathworld's case, you must be scum. Only way you cant be is if one of the Town Any's rolled Citizen. In which case, that means lynching Grakylan. So its actually imperative for me to decide if a Town Any became citizen or not. IIRC, we can afford 1 more mislynch before Lylo. Or we can skip a lynch, let mafia kill someone, and gain information that way. In which case, I think it may heavily rely on what Ash does on N2, because I predict with my list put out there they'll kill him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1007] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:29 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, after removing myself, as I know I'm citizen, that leaves DW on each of your possibility lists. Meaning, either you are lying, your lists are wrong, or you are right and DW is scum. Is my logic flawed? Cause thats what i'm going on so far. Well, technically, DW with Auwt is certainly possible. But I didn't think it was likely since they were well distanced on day 1, and Dallarian started that (the noob). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1008] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:29 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, technically, DW with Auwt is certainly possible. But I didn't think it was likely since they were well distanced on day 1, and Dallarian started that (the noob). Don't forget that I only included what I though was somewhat likely in that list. That only included DW + Drizzt. Otherwise, DW has no partner unless Grak is his partner and lied about being Detective. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1009] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 06:31 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So its actually imperative for me to decide if a Town Any became citizen or not. IIRC, we can afford 1 more mislynch before Lylo. Or we can skip a lynch, let mafia kill someone, and gain information that way. In which case, I think it may heavily rely on what Ash does on N2, because I predict with my list put out there they'll kill him. Well I promise I won't vote you for voting me if it comes to that lol, but I'd like to hear more from DW. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1010] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:33 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well I promise I won't vote you for voting me if it comes to that lol, but I'd like to hear more from DW. Fair enough. im still trying to keep my mind open. you might not get lynched even if I wanted it because (as you saw in a past post) our decisions on who to lynch right now are reallly spread out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1011] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:42 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I actually might favor no lynch here. If we don't lynch, mafia kills someone (assuming they don't like the status quo), then we'll be at Mylo. We can still skip 1 more time then, but if we lynch instead then it must be a correct lynch. Otherwise, we can skip 1 more time, with 1 more mafia kill, and then it'll be Lylo. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1012] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:43 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 For me right now, death information might be what saves us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1013] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:50 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack Is self-voting possible and/or allowed? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1014] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:51 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack Is self-voting possible and/or allowed? I ought to consider my own lynching as a possible action, if Death Information is what we need in order to catch the scum on a consensus. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1015] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:57 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I tried to get a list of all the possible (regardless of plausibility unless i thought it was really really unlikely) scum team combos, from my PoV: Auwt + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt Grakylan + Helltanis/Drizzt (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) So, excluding Grakylan, this leaves: Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt So what's your opinion on the possible scum combos that involve me? Personally I kind of see Martin + Grakylan (because of my baseless tunnel), i've been accused of or been suggested Martin + Auwt by Ash at one point on D2, and Martin + Dallarian/Deathworlds on mid D1 by Auwt. Its also been suggested early D1 for Zedus/Martin, but we all know that's not true since Zedus is dead. Oh and I supposed Helltanis/Drizzt + Martin is possible, but we both know we're not connected to each other. But the other towns don't know that. Assuming whoever we lynch is town, then: If I lynch myself, then we gain information that eliminates 4 possible scum combos. If Auwt is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated. If Bakermir is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated. If Dallarian/Deathworlds is lynched, 3 combos are eliminated. If Helltanis/Drizzt is lynched, 4 combos are eliminated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1016] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:58 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Assuming whoever we lynch is town, then: If I lynch myself, then we gain information that eliminates 4 possible scum combos. If Auwt is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated. If Bakermir is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated. If Dallarian/Deathworlds is lynched, 3 combos are eliminated. If Helltanis/Drizzt is lynched, 4 combos are eliminated. Therefore, if we lynch, it should be me, MartinGG99, or Helltanis/Drizzt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1017] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 06:59 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Therefore, if we lynch, it should be me, MartinGG99, or Helltanis/Drizzt. This of course is following Info Lynch theory. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1018] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 07:00 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I ought to consider my own lynching as a possible action, if Death Information is what we need in order to catch the scum on a consensus. This is the kind of balls on the table bullshit that makes me look hard at DW. We need to wait for his response. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1019] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 07:02 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This is the kind of balls on the table bullshit that makes me look hard at DW. We need to wait for his response. If we're not lynching me or you, and have to lynch someone else, then I have to go with you on voting Deathworlds. Because that eliminates 3 possible combos. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1020] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 28th, 2020 07:10 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SuperJack Is self-voting possible and/or allowed? No -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1021] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 28th, 2020 07:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The wall post got 10 pages higher. The fact that Martin is ready to sacrifice himself to help town reach a consensus makes me think hes town. But he may also be a scum trying to stand 6 feet apart from Auwt as part of Social Distancing and allow him to lay low. Grak, you mind doing me a huge favor and explaining why exact you targeted bake? I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, but I targeted bake n2 cuz he was a null read for most people, and I wanted to clear up any neutral territory first: scum reads or town reads aren't worth the check at first. Wow, read the damn thread. I and Grak have outed ourselves as power roles and everyone has had a chance to counterclaim and no one has done so. At this point, we are both mechanically locked town. Which is freaking me out a bit to be honest, I really was thinking Grak was scum from his reactions to my outing. I think it's made to be. Do you have any lead as a result from your power role? Anyway on a lighter note I was just on the Game 8 podcast for Mafia Champs. So if you guys want to see me in the flesh talking mafia, check it out: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/664306128 Random shameless plug, lmao As a mentor it isn't my job to hold the hand of my student and tell him exactly what to say when, I provided advise when prompted, taught basic scumhunting, and kept somewhat up with the game, I know a decent amount about what happened but I wasn't watching the thread like a hawk. This is a disingenuous argument and you know it. Can confirm that's what my mentor did. If yall still have any concerns about my sudden energy burst in SoD2, mentor didn't say all that much besides the very basics. I mainly was revigorated by the death of two townies and an unusually long period of freetime. On another note... Also we gotta think for a second, why would Dallarian suddenly leave the game after hours where we were basically coming to a consensus to lynch Dallarian? Helltanis was one thing, but Dallarian was way more active d1 then d2, so his excuse of not being able to keep up with many things seems disingenous. Especially considering I was having trouble keeping up at first but decided to stay in the game. But that also could be because I'm a town power. Even a citizen has his civic duty to vote scum out, so if a citizen leaves, not in the beginning, but in the MIDDLE of the game after a consensus against him was forming, what could that say? Could he be scum? And that's not to mention that deathworlds did not have such a good introduction, and is starting to give off toxic vibes. Could be another Zedus situation, but at this point I say we take the chance, if we are to lynch anyone. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1022] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 07:12 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 No Ah. So I would have to convince the entire town (5 players) or 1 mafia (and 4 towns) or both mafias (and 3 towns) to vote me in order to get lynched. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1023] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 07:23 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If we're not lynching me or you, and have to lynch someone else, then I have to go with you on voting Deathworlds. Because that eliminates 3 possible combos. Looking at Grakylan's past reads list at 823#, we could have up 3 hypothetical votes on Deathworlds. Me, Drizzt, and Grakylan's, if we really decided that compared to all other options, Deathworlds was the best choice. That's be the strongest consensus so far that I've seen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1024] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 07:25 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ah. So I would have to convince the entire town (5 players) or 1 mafia (and 4 towns) or both mafias (and 3 towns) to vote me in order to get lynched. CORRECTION: We actually need 4 votes to lynch. I forgot it dropped by one after N1. So i would need to convince either 4 towns, 3 towns and a mafia, or 2 towns and 2 mafias to vote me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1025] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 28th, 2020 07:31 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Looking at Grakylan's past reads list at 823#, we could have up 3 hypothetical votes on Deathworlds. Me, Drizzt, and Grakylan's, if we really decided that compared to all other options, Deathworlds was the best choice. That's be the strongest consensus so far that I've seen. Town should never advocate for their own lynch unless they are 100% sure it's going to lead to a town victory. From a town pov it's a guaranteed mislynch, literally any option is better -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1026] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 07:36 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Town should never advocate for their own lynch unless they are 100% sure it's going to lead to a town victory. From a town pov it's a guaranteed mislynch, literally any option is better Problem is, I don't see anything leading to a garunteed victory right now, due to knowing certain player's alignments already; and it seems either a lynch of me or a lynch of Drizzt is the most likely to lead to a victory. And if those aren't possible, and the consensus that we must lynch, then the next best option is you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1027] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 07:38 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 An alternative to the lynch is to do no lynch, but mafia are most assuredly to kill Ash in order to limit the information given upon death. If they do anyone else, town could get a lot of information. The only alternative to the mafia kill might be Bakermir if Grakylan is a clandestine scum who ballsy claimed Detective, risking any counter claim, and with Bakermir dead he might try to get town cred from that death, saying "hey, i said this guy was town!". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1028] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 07:41 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Problem is, I don't see anything leading to a garunteed victory right now, due to knowing certain player's alignments already; and it seems either a lynch of me or a lynch of Drizzt is the most likely to lead to a victory. And if those aren't possible, and the consensus that we must lynch, then the next best option is you. Response DW? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1029] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 07:46 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 When I see those kind of post, I just don't understand how you would see Ash being townier than Grakylan. Ash has been not that active the past hours (doesnt mean much still). But overall, no progress has been made. He hasnt been claiming his power role. I will be honest, right now, I do not know if I should be confident of a fully town Ash. In the other hand, Grakylan has been "waking up" since D2 and has show good progress, even willing to claim his role, and his target action. I know there is a slight possibility that Grakylan is trying to pocket me. I am aware of this. I would like you to explain why you would (blindly? idk if its the right word tho) follow Ash more than Grakylan. They both voted up Zedus last day, and personnaly I didnt like how Ash just then instantly led the train when I was mentionning a vote on bakermir. Then this happend And this ? And this... And then Ash has to explain himself Idk why he is defending bakermir that hard tho, reading someone as a town is fine, but this is another level. It's almost like he's trying to appologize for bakermir actions on D1. And btw how the hell could you townread bakermir action since page 2... I do not see anything town sided from him... At least it could be true if Ash is teamed up with Bakermir. During all of these quotes you tried to bring attention out of bakermir, because of your town read on him. Ash, you seem to be a really good player, but I dont understand at all why you would townread bakermir. deathworlds This is your chance to prove you are town. What do you see from this post? Please re-read it after you are done finishing reading every post. :noose: Everyone Auwt Renegade Dallarian MartinGG99 Helltanis Zedus Grakylan Ash Lael bakermir deathworlds Drizzt :firebringer: My early aggression was just to scale heat for all and going a bit off limits due to not knowing FM trial/lynch mechanics which I apologized for. What I see is; Auwt noticing the connection me and Ash had entire game. Including Renegade to this duo we were the first town group here. Auwt had a totally accurate guess on Renegade's role, gameplay, he had a perfect guess on Martin being a 100% town citizen. Why is he now bringing up his dialogue with Renegade on day 1 about lynching me? He appears pushy against Renegade. This is a clear indication Auwt and Renegade are on opposite teams at this point. Renegade further gave himself away by including me to his lynch list. #154 was a very well constructed post but I still don't understand why other townies took it for granted. Well, except for Ash. I had no reason to trust anyone. Here are my latest reads: Wouldn't you like to know? Town locked: Ash Ash, I am sorry for doing this but yeah it needs to be done. One of us is dead tonight. But no stress, I had fun so far. Ash proves he was genuine with his early game and the stream link he sent. I really liked that you shared this. I have listened to it fully and at one point I created a clip from a specific part. https://clips.twitch.tv/GentleCheerfulTildeArsonNoSexy Anyway, he did many other town contributions entire game. Vote on Zedus was right thing to do for him. Worst would be losing a TPR that would be target of mafia anyway. So it did seem like an ok lynch. Outcome was citizen and his reaction was the right one. He kinda distanced himself from everyone else on Day Two. He is still town for me and a good one. Town lean: Grakylan Forget about everything he have said or done. His night lead is all that is important. His lead is almost correct. I did not visit anyone. He would be in town lock but there is a chance his lead might be fake claim and this is the only reason why I am not revealing my exact role. I want mafia to find it out :gun: I believe Grakylan played very well entire game as a power role from a town perspective. He is for sure a power role but not sure if he is detective or not. I will also not forget that he have been a bandwagon early on like some others here so I will never trust him fully. Null Town Lean but not really: Drizzt His gameplay is pretty consistent with Helltanis. Still needs to provide us more. Maybe ISO on somebody he has been disliking or being linked to? See, Grakylan did one. Null Scum Lean but not really: Deathworlds He is still reading every post out there. Is this a strategy to bandwagon before EOD2? I assumed he would be following the game closely because that's what my mentor is doing. There are observers too. I will still give him time because he volunteered for this. He is still scum lean but not really. Helltanis He seems to be one of the first citizen claims. He tried his best to make sure nobody town locks him. What kind of a strategy was that? I never understood his logic and made him as suspicious as Zedus in my eyes. Scum lean: Dallarian Slack vote + last minute vote on Zedus, tried to be reasonable at parts but I still have no reason to trust him. He presented himself as town on post #77 and then fully contradicted his words with his actions later on. He was quite unresponsive or not present at key discussion moments when the ACTUAL TOWNIES were trying their best to interact and hunt for evils. This happened both in NA and EU time frames. With all the power indicative posts he made, we all eventually believed he is TPR. Now deathworlds claim citizen as I expected and there is something really fishy going on here. Martin His early posts were about how this is his first game and him talking about mafia odds, power roles were quite suspicious. Is he a bigger nerd than me? I assumed he could be but I still went for that sweet push on him because we needed something to happen, not nitpicking on roles, Mr. Shittizen. For real man, I didn't even take a look at other cards and settings up until that point. I recently read them all. I still love the game as much as you do. I don't understand why would you discuss things most of us new players wouldn't even be thinking about at the start of game. You are a citizen? I find it hard to bite. You might aswell be Godfather for all I know. Auwt confirming you for 100% citizen on #154. I will never understand this from town view. He had some posts earlier in Day One where he stated that he is looking for a support from EU time players. I was ready to see the game through his perspective, include him in the defacto town. Giving him freedom provided us nothing. He is still being a bandwagon and not really pushing for anyone. I haven't seen any consistency in his gameplay and I find it funny that he took my mayor/marshall bait seriously. I had moments where I believed he is a citizen. He still might be one but no invest leads Kappa Sorry Martin, I hope you understand my point of view. YOu have some sort of a link to all players I suspect. Scum lock: Auwt For a long time, I believed one of the #77 or #154 sounded like buddying. As the time passed both Dallarian and Auwt didn't prove to me they are willing to lynch Martin. Auwt especially never been aggressive versus him. If I were to lynch anyone, it would most probably be Auwt. His gameplay is consistent with a citizen. However, his accuracy on guessing roles is quite scary. From reading his posts, all I can see is manipulation. Especially take a look at his post #154 and anything after during Day One. Him chatting with Renegade about me, lobbying for support? He is guessing Renegade is TPR previously. In his past 2 FM games he was a scum. For a long time, I believed the chances of him getting scum on third game was low. What if he improved his scum game? What if he is just doing so well in a beginner game? He refused my apology on Day One and continued his push on me. He knows this is a beginner game. But he forgets that I've played the sc2 mod 10 years ago and past one year. I am the guy in mod that plays with log screen open most of the time, not just open that log when a fail evil xships On Day Two he still wants me to confirm I am shittizen. It almost feels like Auwt and Martin can't be sure if I am really citizen or tpr ready to end the game for them on Night 2. They are afraid of me. Auwt seen this early on and wanted me out. I can go on about this a lot more but I am fuckin tired of typing all the scum read I get from this guy. TL,DR; I don't know who we should lynch today. I will leave that to majority here. By logic, lynching a citizen is a better outcome than lynching a TPR EOD2 as we agreed on today. Perhaps, we should lynch one of the citizens for sure and for me in this order of scum to null; Auwt, Martin, Deathworlds, Drizzt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1030] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 07:48 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Problem is, I don't see anything leading to a garunteed victory right now, due to knowing certain player's alignments already; and it seems either a lynch of me or a lynch of Drizzt is the most likely to lead to a victory. And if those aren't possible, and the consensus that we must lynch, then the next best option is you. It doesn't have "not", in "not knowing". I should start a timer to see how long Ash takes to try and murder me for that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1031] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 07:55 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well then, based on Info Lynching theory, its Martin, Deathworlds, or Drizzt. However, if I want to go back to my tinfoil theory, its Auwt. Assuming we lynch today. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1032] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 08:02 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I normally head to bed around this time, but I'll stay up for a few hours longer for Deathworld's sake. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1033] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 08:38 PM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Seems nobody is here then. I'll go. Cya all tomorrow then. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1034] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 09:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The Case Against Auwt and Helltanis/Drizzt I’m going to keep this relatively short and simple. We all know the broader context on Auwt. He’s been openly power role hunting, he’s been trying to pressure me into revealing my role to prove myself at a time when I expected to be facing a counterclaim (but the scum knew otherwise), he’s mainly been tunnelling two now mechanically confirmed townies, etc, etc. But here’s the smoking gun. Here’s his explanation of why Renegade was nightkilled, after Martin blamed him for it: No I will explain why did Renegade die (in my opinion). Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade Martin and Grakylan were in the overall scum list. No need to kill them. It leaves Ash, Dallarian, Renegade. Ash has been a strong town figure through all D1. He would obviously lure any protective role on him (which is by the way what I expected town protective to do.) It leaves Dallarian and Renegade. And thats how I came to a conclusion that since Renegade died, Dallarian has 2 options. First - He is scum so he would obviously not target himself. Second - He is a town and it was a 50/50 between Dallarian/Renegade. I didnt paint any of Dallarian and Renegade. If you still think its my fault, then I havent done my job here. There are two players missing from this list. Auwt and Helltanis, who were not on Zedus’ wagon. Auwt never considered them possible kill targets. I pushed him on this, demanding to know why he left himself off the list of possible kills. He ignored my repeated demands for an explanation and departed the thread. Some time later after he had time to think he came back with an explanation: I've already talked about the reason why I didnt consider myself a target, I can sum it up once again if you want. I was the one going against the flow on a townie train + I was(is idk) a strong town figure D1, as you were. With that in mind going on either of you or me is kinda hard. The second argument is the reason why I believe they didnt go on you, Ash. This part is an absolute lie. ISO him yourself. He literally never gave any explanation before this post. Also, the rest of it is also an obvious lie. The reason he’s not on the list is because the list is a list of people voting for Zedus. He didn’t omit himself from it because he considered himself a strong town voice, just as he didn’t omit Helltanis for being a strong town voice. They are not on it because they didn’t vote for Zedus. So why would he think that only people who voted Zedus were potential targets? Well, there’s absolutely no potential logical connection, except one. That the people on it were all town and the people off it were all scum. And what is Auwt doing now? Well right now he's busy defending Drizzt: Ive already talked about Helltanis, he withdrew his vote by editing his post, and posted that it would be better to wait for a mentor, if thats not town leaning, idk what you want. He also mentionned the 1 extra life thing. I believe this is a "soft?" citizen claim? Dont you think so? I have to wait a bit to analyze Drizzt, but my read on Helltanis will certainly be copy pasta to Drizzt. Your predecessor looked very Citizen like with their actions and speechs. That may also be why Helltanis got bored, happens. But the truth is, we shall wait a bit to eliminate as much possible scum as we can. With that in mind, either Martin or DW are lying for me right now. So yeah. I believe the scum team is exactly Auwt and Drizzt. And of those two, I would like Auwt - the brains of the operation - to be the first lynch. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1035] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 09:40 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hilariously, this means I have now moved to be townreading Martin once again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1036] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 09:44 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh, and Drizzt is busy pushing DW, so his own behaviour is consistent with being a team with Auwt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1037] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 09:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The Case Against Auwt and Helltanis/Drizzt I’m going to keep this relatively short and simple. We all know the broader context on Auwt. He’s been openly power role hunting, he’s been trying to pressure me into revealing my role to prove myself at a time when I expected to be facing a counterclaim (but the scum knew otherwise), he’s mainly been tunnelling two now mechanically confirmed townies, etc, etc. But here’s the smoking gun. Here’s his explanation of why Renegade was nightkilled, after Martin blamed him for it: There are two players missing from this list. Auwt and Helltanis, who were not on Zedus’ wagon. Auwt never considered them possible kill targets. I pushed him on this, demanding to know why he left himself off the list of possible kills. He ignored my repeated demands for an explanation and departed the thread. Some time later after he had time to think he came back with an explanation: This part is an absolute lie. ISO him yourself. He literally never gave any explanation before this post. Also, the rest of it is also an obvious lie. The reason he’s not on the list is because the list is a list of people voting for Zedus. He didn’t omit himself from it because he considered himself a strong town voice, just as he didn’t omit Helltanis for being a strong town voice. They are not on it because they didn’t vote for Zedus. So why would he think that only people who voted Zedus were potential targets? Well, there’s absolutely no potential logical connection, except one. That the people on it were all town and the people off it were all scum. And what is Auwt doing now? Well right now he's busy defending Drizzt: So yeah. I believe the scum team is exactly Auwt and Drizzt. And of those two, I would like Auwt - the brains of the operation - to be the first lynch. I gotta say ash, so far I'm not impressed. Your fantasy has me teamed with someone that isn't even on my radar up to this point. I came out of the gate saying I only read 3 posts back, and claimed town. Then of course, citizen specifically. My initial post jives precisely with what Helltanis was claiming. So either I'm a master manipulator, or you or off your rocker. Perhaps you should take a step back and reexamine the steps you took to reach this Auwt/Drizzt conclusion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1038] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 09:48 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The Case Against Auwt and Helltanis/Drizzt I’m going to keep this relatively short and simple. We all know the broader context on Auwt. He’s been openly power role hunting, he’s been trying to pressure me into revealing my role to prove myself at a time when I expected to be facing a counterclaim (but the scum knew otherwise), he’s mainly been tunnelling two now mechanically confirmed townies, etc, etc. But here’s the smoking gun. Here’s his explanation of why Renegade was nightkilled, after Martin blamed him for it: There are two players missing from this list. Auwt and Helltanis, who were not on Zedus’ wagon. Auwt never considered them possible kill targets. I pushed him on this, demanding to know why he left himself off the list of possible kills. He ignored my repeated demands for an explanation and departed the thread. Some time later after he had time to think he came back with an explanation: This part is an absolute lie. ISO him yourself. He literally never gave any explanation before this post. Also, the rest of it is also an obvious lie. The reason he’s not on the list is because the list is a list of people voting for Zedus. He didn’t omit himself from it because he considered himself a strong town voice, just as he didn’t omit Helltanis for being a strong town voice. They are not on it because they didn’t vote for Zedus. So why would he think that only people who voted Zedus were potential targets? Well, there’s absolutely no potential logical connection, except one. That the people on it were all town and the people off it were all scum. And what is Auwt doing now? Well right now he's busy defending Drizzt: So yeah. I believe the scum team is exactly Auwt and Drizzt. And of those two, I would like Auwt - the brains of the operation - to be the first lynch. I'm glad that you've done your research. I was wondering if I was tunneling a bit or not, and I m glad I decided to check back in later ( I mean, I don't really need the sleep since earlier I stated i overslept). At first i thought it was explained, but then i took a deeper look. The only explanation I could find is this: Going on me would have solved absolutely nothing. With that in mind, if Mafia went for me all eyes wouldve been easily put on bakermir, who was not part of a train into a townie. And also since I'm being townread by most of people D1, I consider myself also as a strong town D1 figure, as you were(are?) Ash. It seems okay at first, however, its quite suspicious that this explanation is tied to this: No I will explain why did Renegade die (in my opinion). Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade Martin and Grakylan were in the overall scum list. No need to kill them. It leaves Ash, Dallarian, Renegade. Ash has been a strong town figure through all D1. He would obviously lure any protective role on him (which is by the way what I expected town protective to do.) It leaves Dallarian and Renegade. And thats how I came to a conclusion that since Renegade died, Dallarian has 2 options. First - He is scum so he would obviously not target himself. Second - He is a town and it was a 50/50 between Dallarian/Renegade. I didnt paint any of Dallarian and Renegade. If you still think its my fault, then I havent done my job here. Why does he assume the lynching townies are the ones that should be killed by mafia? He never explained that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1039] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 09:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh, and Drizzt is busy pushing DW, so his own behaviour is consistent with being a team with Auwt. Self-fulfilling prophecy. You want to see a connection, so you are making connections. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1040] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 09:50 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 As for whether Helltanis/Drizzt is aligned with him, I'm not entirely sure. But i do feel its plausible given that Auwt gave both Grakylan and Helltanis (after my ISO's), who were rather similar in terms of the town's reads, the "citizen" status. He might've been trying to get Bakermir in order to divert attention away. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1041] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 09:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Self-fulfilling prophecy. You want to see a connection, so you are making connections. I assumed he was pushing DW because he thought I was Town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1042] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 09:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Either way, we still can afford 1 more mislynch if we're wrong. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1043] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 09:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But if we're right about Auwt being scum, we can afford another mislynch. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1044] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 09:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But if we're right about Auwt being scum, we can afford another mislynch. By that I mean: When 1 townie and 1 Mafia die at EoD and Night, the control of majority stays relatively the same. 7 players right now, 5 players after n2. Assuming Auwt is scum, that means 4 townies and 1 mafia at D3. We can mislynch, meaning 2 townies die at EoD and Night. Then its Lylo, and we have to correctly guess the last scum, because if they dont the 1 mafia kills again, leaving it at 1v1 or (if there is mislynch) 1 v 0. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1045] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 09:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, since i pointed out that Auwt's been indirect power hunting by labelling citizens, even if he's town, that's anti-town stuff. Deathworlds said Zedus lynch justified, because he was acting anti-town, and honestly I wonder if he would vote to lynch Auwt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1046] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 09:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hilariously, this means I have now moved to be townreading Martin once again. I am the bane of your existence lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1047] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 10:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I assumed he was pushing DW because he thought I was Town. I genuinely wanted to hear his response to your lists of possible scum teams. I don't think I've read anyone contradicting what you posted, so push is the wrong word. I'd rather think I'm trying to pull him into the conversation. If your list is accurate, from my point of view, I must vote either DW or Martin. That is evidence you provided, I'm just running with it- maybe running in the wrong direction, but we'll see. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1048] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 10:02 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I genuinely wanted to hear his response to your lists of possible scum teams. I don't think I've read anyone contradicting what you posted, so push is the wrong word. I'd rather think I'm trying to pull him into the conversation. If your list is accurate, from my point of view, I must vote either DW or Martin. That is evidence you provided, I'm just running with it- maybe running in the wrong direction, but we'll see. Who knows? If Auwt is scum there's plenty of time to discuss if Dallarian/Deathworlds was his actual scum-mate, and not you. For now i feel comfortable in lynching Auwt at EoD (which is by 5 PM, EST) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1049] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 10:05 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Who knows? If Auwt is scum there's plenty of time to discuss if Dallarian/Deathworlds was his actual scum-mate, and not you. For now i feel comfortable in lynching Auwt at EoD (which is by 5 PM, EST) I mean, i came into D2 thinking it was Auwt/Grakylan, but we've ended up on a Auwt/Helltanis, it would seem. But I don't necessarily agree with the Helltanis part. I can't really ignore the D2 scummy actions, along with the D1 ccummy actions. Maybe it'll happen again at d3, where we think Auwt/Helltanis, but its actually Auwt/Deathworlds. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1050] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 10:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Who knows? If Auwt is scum there's plenty of time to discuss if Dallarian/Deathworlds was his actual scum-mate, and not you. For now i feel comfortable in lynching Auwt at EoD (which is by 5 PM, EST) Until I see someone contradict your list of possibilities, I am leaning towards DW. But that doesn't mean I'll vote DW. My perspective is small atm, as I haven't found a place for Auwt to fit. I'll see how the voting goes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1051] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 10:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I mean, i came into D2 thinking it was Auwt/Grakylan, but we've ended up on a Auwt/Helltanis, it would seem. But I don't necessarily agree with the Helltanis part. I can't really ignore the D2 scummy actions, along with the D1 ccummy actions. Maybe it'll happen again at d3, where we think Auwt/Helltanis, but its actually Auwt/Deathworlds. wow, did you just quote yourself? Lol, confidence runs deep in Martin Methinks -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1052] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 10:08 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Heck, Dallarian and Auwt knew each other, and if i recall correctly, Dallarian was well aware of Auwt's scum experience in past games. I haven't looked at them, but perhaps he knew to distance from Auwt despite being new? We'll need to review the evidence on D3. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1053] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 10:08 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Am I being too easy on Drizzt and harsh on deathworlds? I must admit people warning me about deathworlds intimidated me but still I stand behind my observation of them. Either way, I am willing to vote up any of the citizens. Also I am willing to gamble on Drizzt but I still place my bet on Auwt and Martin/deathworlds. I am willing to swap deathworlds with Drizzt, whoever provides some useful analysis extends their life. I think this is pretty reasonable. Martin been here and there for me. But personally I think his scum vibes is an enigma compared to his town vibes. I really want to believe he is a townie. He is a good sport, he participated in this very well and it is his first game too. I really try to see his gameplay but it feels far off from mine and as a townie, i find his shoes quite big for me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1054] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 10:08 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 wow, did you just quote yourself? Lol, confidence runs deep in Martin Methinks I quote myself to try and show a train of thought at times. Over the whole thread you'll see it happening a lot. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1055] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 28th, 2020 10:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I quote myself to try and show a train of thought at times. Over the whole thread you'll see it happening a lot. More power to you! I'm watching game of thrones and tyrion lanistor (spelled wrong) is constantly quoting himself lol. Its a bold move! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1056] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 10:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Am I being too easy on Drizzt and harsh on deathworlds? I must admit people warning me about deathworlds intimidated me but still I stand behind my observation of them. Either way, I am willing to vote up any of the citizens. Also I am willing to gamble on Drizzt but I still place my bet on Auwt and Martin/deathworlds. I am willing to swap deathworlds with Drizzt, whoever provides some useful analysis extends their life. I think this is pretty reasonable. Martin been here and there for me. But personally I think his scum vibes is an enigma compared to his town vibes. I really want to believe he is a townie. He is a good sport, he participated in this very well and it is his first game too. I really try to see his gameplay but it feels far off from mine and as a townie, i find his shoes quite big for me. Well, like i said. We can afford a mislynch. If Awut is not scum then we can lynch me, but I wouldn't be able to really argue for that since that would constitute trying to gamethrow the town for me. If Awut is scum, we can (mis?)lynch Deathworlds. After that, if he's town, we can lynch Drizzt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1057] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 10:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, like i said. We can afford a mislynch. If Awut is not scum then we can lynch me, but I wouldn't be able to really argue for that since that would constitute trying to gamethrow the town for me. If Awut is scum, we can (mis?)lynch Deathworlds. After that, if he's town, we can lynch Drizzt. This sounds like a plan imo. Heck, if Grakylan doesn't get shot last night, he might find the true, last, scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1058] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 28th, 2020 10:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Erm, next night I mean. Anyways, imma go. I'll try to not oversleep. It seems like we got enough votes to lynch Auwt (Ash, Bakermir, Drizzt?, Me). Maybe even Grakylan will join it too. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1059] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 10:32 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh yea, I see no other option but to lynch Auwt simply for power role hunting entire game. This was noticed by many of us. I am also glad Martin came to understanding of how evil this can get. I am glad we are finally resolving this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1060] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 28th, 2020 10:48 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyone who wants to leave before end of day can just throw their vote down on Auwt IMO. The rest of us might take a bit more time but I think it’s clear at this point that’s where we’re heading. I’m not, for the record, 100% sold on the connection to Drizzt but it’s the best fitting partner I could find for Auwt. But yeah I think the most important step is to first confirm the flip and then work from there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1061] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 11:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I honestly think this is the best shot we have. I hope he can disprove us all until EOD2. Auwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1062] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 28th, 2020 11:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Current votes: MartinGG99 (1 [L-3]): deathworlds Auwt (1 [L-3]): bakermir I will be here for the next few hours. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1063] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 29th, 2020 12:03 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually, I just realised a potential additional point in favour of Drizzt being scum: the fact that all the scum are in the citizen claims. I believe the optimal strategy for scum would have been to split 1/1 with one claiming power and one claiming citizen. That keeps the entire town in consideration as potential scum. However they both went citizen, so we have been able to clear 3. So why did they do it? Well one possibility is that Drizzt subbed in and claimed citizen almost instantly, and at a point when he didn’t realise the significance of that. Remember he did not seem to be very aware of the game state. If he did after his partner already claimed citizen, the scum just locked themselves out of their best strategy with a poorly timed sub. I don’t recall whether Auwt had hardclaimed citizen before or after Drizzt, but he had certainly implied it hard enough that he felt he had no other choice, despite the bad situation. This is all theorycrafting but it’s been nagging at me for a while that the scum didn’t play this situation right from their perspective and I’ve been wondering why. This might not be the reason but I like to think it is. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1064] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 12:13 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually, I just realised a potential additional point in favour of Drizzt being scum: the fact that all the scum are in the citizen claims. I believe the optimal strategy for scum would have been to split 1/1 with one claiming power and one claiming citizen. That keeps the entire town in consideration as potential scum. However they both went citizen, so we have been able to clear 3. So why did they do it? Well one possibility is that Drizzt subbed in and claimed citizen almost instantly, and at a point when he didn’t realise the significance of that. Remember he did not seem to be very aware of the game state. If he did after his partner already claimed citizen, the scum just locked themselves out of their best strategy with a poorly timed sub. I don’t recall whether Auwt had hardclaimed citizen before or after Drizzt, but he had certainly implied it hard enough that he felt he had no other choice, despite the bad situation. This is all theorycrafting but it’s been nagging at me for a while that the scum didn’t play this situation right from their perspective and I’ve been wondering why. This might not be the reason but I like to think it is. Auwt avoided my question about this too. Also I am aware of him excluding Helltanis from everything. Good observation. I have asked him earlier who does he think is the TPR in Auwt/Martin/Bakermir because of this and I didn't get a response. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1065] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 29th, 2020 12:17 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually, I just realised a potential additional point in favour of Drizzt being scum: the fact that all the scum are in the citizen claims. I believe the optimal strategy for scum would have been to split 1/1 with one claiming power and one claiming citizen. That keeps the entire town in consideration as potential scum. However they both went citizen, so we have been able to clear 3. So why did they do it? Well one possibility is that Drizzt subbed in and claimed citizen almost instantly, and at a point when he didn’t realise the significance of that. Remember he did not seem to be very aware of the game state. If he did after his partner already claimed citizen, the scum just locked themselves out of their best strategy with a poorly timed sub. I don’t recall whether Auwt had hardclaimed citizen before or after Drizzt, but he had certainly implied it hard enough that he felt he had no other choice, despite the bad situation. This is all theorycrafting but it’s been nagging at me for a while that the scum didn’t play this situation right from their perspective and I’ve been wondering why. This might not be the reason but I like to think it is. First off, this is a personal best. I'm playing fallout 76, mafia, FM, watching game of thrones, and coordinating a party, all while a little buzzed. Back on point! I'm thinking martin and I and bakemir are on the same page. Just need to see what you all are doing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1066] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 12:19 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I mean he pretty much fucked himself over when he 100% citizen on Martin, claimed citizen himself but then Grakylan confirmed me as citizen. Drizzt and Dallarian claiming citizen too only shows 1 mafia is here and your theory on mafia having a wrong strategy is very acceptable to me. Unless there is some different universe where Martin's performance gets an oscar or a DW/Drizzt duo but then Auwt > Dallarian in terms of scum activity. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1067] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 12:24 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 First off, this is a personal best. I'm playing fallout 76, mafia, FM, watching game of thrones, and coordinating a party, all while a little buzzed. Back on point! I'm thinking martin and I and bakemir are on the same page. Just need to see what you all are doing. Hell yeah, let's go then Drizzt In a Martin vs Auwt scenario who would you vote for on lylo? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1068] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 29th, 2020 12:27 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hell yeah, let's go then Drizzt In a Martin vs Auwt scenario who would you vote for on lylo? At this point Auwt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1069] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 29th, 2020 12:33 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hell yeah, let's go then Drizzt In a Martin vs Auwt scenario who would you vote for on lylo? your thoughts? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1070] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 12:38 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 your thoughts? I asked this question to myself too. Because of this I already voted up Auwt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1071] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 12:41 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Martin is pretty much bandwagon though, it almost feel like he admitted to "throwing" by suggesting an Auwt lynch. I see him more suspicious than Drizzt or DW -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1072] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 29th, 2020 12:42 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hell yeah, let's go then Drizzt In a Martin vs Auwt scenario who would you vote for on lylo? I know you aren't asking the question to me, but now I'm more certain on the idea of lynching Auwt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1073] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 29th, 2020 12:44 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 [QUOTE=bakermir;871292]I asked this question to myself too. Because of this I already voted up Auwt.[/QUOTE I do not know how to formally vote but consider this Brock/Drizzt vote -VOTE AUWT -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1074] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 29th, 2020 12:44 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 [QUOTE=bakermir;871292]I asked this question to myself too. Because of this I already voted up Auwt.[/QUOTE I do not know how to formally vote but consider this Brock/Drizzt vote -VOTE AUWT you do , then the name, then -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1075] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 29th, 2020 12:45 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 formatting fucked up [ v o t e ] A u w t [ / v o t e ] then remove spaces -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1076] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 29th, 2020 12:45 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 just doing that in case it glitched vote count -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1077] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 29th, 2020 12:47 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 [QUOTE=Drizzt;871295] you do , then the name, then Auwt for the love of god -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1078] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 29th, 2020 12:47 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Who knows if I will be active at EoD2. Even I don't know. I will be heading to sleep soon and then after that doing god knows what. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1079] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 29th, 2020 12:48 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 [QUOTE=Grakylan;871296] -vote Auwt not quite. formatting fucked up [ v o t e ] A u w t [ / v o t e ] then remove spaces -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1080] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 12:50 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I know you aren't asking the question to me, but now I'm more certain on the idea of lynching Auwt. Your ISO was valuable. I appreciate your input at this point honestly. What do you think of all? My theory of Auwt/Martin and Ash's theory of Auwt/Drizzt I think he might be wrong on Drizzt here because DW is the person voting up Martin currently. Drizzt doesn't have a good opinion on Martin either and maybe not voting Martin up to prove Ash wrong. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1081] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 01:13 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grakylan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1082] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 29th, 2020 01:42 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alright guys, I’m out for the night, and probably the game. I have been missing a lot of sleep because of this game, and I am exhausted. It’s been absolutely worth it, though. In the worst case scenario where I’m nightkilled and Auwt flips green, you guys will be in lylo with 2 scum in the lynch pool of 3. In this scenario, the lynch pool needs to vote first - the one town player can vote for either of the other two freely as they will both be scum. Then the confirmed towns in bakemir and Grakylan need to confer and come to an agreement and vote as a bloc. If, as I expect, he flips red and I’m dead, great work. I trust this town to get the job done and I’ll be reading along cheering you on. Auwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1083] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 01:49 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, since i pointed out that Auwt's been indirect power hunting by labelling citizens, even if he's town, that's anti-town stuff. Deathworlds said Zedus lynch justified, because he was acting anti-town, and honestly I wonder if he would vote to lynch Auwt. Yeah looking back on it, I kind of glossed over the fact that Auwt was pretty much openly TPR hunting, and is still kind of doing it to ash, pressuring him to reveal what his role is. Granted at this stage of the game I'd like Ash to reveal their actual role, but since no one else CC'd TPR I'm inclined to believe and trust ash. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1084] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 01:51 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh and Bake, I saw your post and I'll respond to it in a minute, I just got a little bit of downtime at work -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1085] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 01:52 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 WHOAH HOLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED AUWT WAS AT L-1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1086] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 01:59 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Wow, just woke up and im at L-1, nice evil are organized this day, incredible, please let me read before lynching me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1087] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 29th, 2020 02:00 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Wow, just woke up and im at L-1, nice evil are organized this day, incredible, please let me read before lynching me. Give me a reason why I shouldn't hammer you before I go to sleep and be busy all of tomorrow. Deadass. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1088] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:02 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So I tried to get a list of all the possible (regardless of plausibility unless i thought it was really really unlikely) scum team combos, from my PoV: Auwt + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt Grakylan + Helltanis/Drizzt (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen) So, excluding Grakylan, this leaves: Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt So you would believe that Dirzzt my team mate, put me at L-1, nice. You arent considering a bakermir/Ash and thats very sad. You're giving way too much space for them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1089] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:03 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Give me a reason why I shouldn't hammer you before I go to sleep and be busy all of tomorrow. Deadass. Look, the two teamming that they see are currently Auwt/Grakylan and Auwt/Drizzt. You know we are not a team of scum, And you know Drizzt is currently voting me and ready to bring the hammer over my head. I will walk through P50 to 55 gonna take a bit of time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1090] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:05 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So you would believe that Dirzzt my team mate, put me at L-1, nice. You arent considering a bakermir/Ash and thats very sad. You're giving way too much space for them. Let me hear that bakermir/ash :tf: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1091] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:06 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Looking back on the list, it seems that I would have to lynch you [MENTION]Drizzt[/MENITON], unfortunately. In either Auwt's or Dallarian/Deathworld's case, you must be scum. Only way you cant be is if one of the Town Any's rolled Citizen. In which case, that means lynching Grakylan. I do not see a SuperJack rolling an extra any town into citizen, even though its trully possible, but that would f*ck town so much. I swear Martin, if you hammer me..... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1092] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:09 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I was just going to leave too but now this is getting fun -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1093] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:09 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Assuming whoever we lynch is town, then: If I lynch myself, then we gain information that eliminates 4 possible scum combos. If Auwt is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated. If Bakermir is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated. If Dallarian/Deathworlds is lynched, 3 combos are eliminated. If Helltanis/Drizzt is lynched, 4 combos are eliminated. Thats...sad... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1094] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:17 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The wall post got 10 pages higher. The fact that Martin is ready to sacrifice himself to help town reach a consensus makes me think hes town. But he may also be a scum trying to stand 6 feet apart from Auwt as part of Social Distancing and allow him to lay low. I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, but I targeted bake n2 cuz he was a null read for most people, and I wanted to clear up any neutral territory first: scum reads or town reads aren't worth the check at first. I think it's made to be. Do you have any lead as a result from your power role? Random shameless plug, lmao Can confirm that's what my mentor did. If yall still have any concerns about my sudden energy burst in SoD2, mentor didn't say all that much besides the very basics. I mainly was revigorated by the death of two townies and an unusually long period of freetime. On another note... Also we gotta think for a second, why would Dallarian suddenly leave the game after hours where we were basically coming to a consensus to lynch Dallarian? Helltanis was one thing, but Dallarian was way more active d1 then d2, so his excuse of not being able to keep up with many things seems disingenous. Especially considering I was having trouble keeping up at first but decided to stay in the game. But that also could be because I'm a town power. Even a citizen has his civic duty to vote scum out, so if a citizen leaves, not in the beginning, but in the MIDDLE of the game after a consensus against him was forming, what could that say? Could he be scum? And that's not to mention that deathworlds did not have such a good introduction, and is starting to give off toxic vibes. Could be another Zedus situation, but at this point I say we take the chance, if we are to lynch anyone. When I saw Martin ready to not lynch iot wait and not mislynch, with that having an extra time to think about it, it sent me really good town vibes. I would certainly not vote Martin neither you Grakylan today, but the fact that none of Ash/bakermir are ready to claim and willing to solve the game really annoy me. I have been asking dozens of time to Ash to put clues on table, or at least make a valid claim, he declined saying there is no need. During my last game of FM, I was citizen, I also woke up D2, because D1 not much to say, all you can do is perceive Citizen vibes from other, that for instance what I did toward Martin (and Grakylan which didnt work apparently). When there is 2 townies dead at D2, an alarm is ringing out, and bakermir, Ash didnt respond to this alarm, tbh. It's hard to make a guess on Dallarian, but at least he was one if not the only to give a reason on D1 lynch, moreover, he unvoted before, I dont see a bad DW right now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1095] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 02:22 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Problem is, I don't see anything leading to a garunteed victory right now, due to knowing certain player's alignments already; and it seems either a lynch of me or a lynch of Drizzt is the most likely to lead to a victory. And if those aren't possible, and the consensus that we must lynch, then the next best option is you. Well obviously our last choices for being lynched should be ourselves, as I explained before, to a town!pov, selflynching is basically a throw. For me the list goes Martin/Auwt/Bake/Drizzts, in that order. with bake and drizzt being much further away than martin and auwt. I have a hard time seeing drizzts being scum, because their previous slot was basically a headless noob townie (no offense mate, we were all like that once). Bake is 90% confirmed (could be an actionless mafia, or a godfather or some dumb shit like that) unless grak is CC'd Auwt has been TPR hunting and attacking our pretty much confirmed townie the entire day. Martin also had a bit of TPR hunting, but his hyper-awareness makes me very hesitant to not throw him out of the game. That being said I am very much willing to lynch Auwt, I'd very uncomfortably lynch bake or drizzt, but I would be pleased with a Martin or Auwt lynch. I don't know who his partner would be because I don't hunt by association very often, as that is something that scum can manipulate. Man we're spread out today aren't we? If I'm reading the thread right, at this moment: I want to lynch Auwt (but that might change) Ash wants to lynch Auwt Bakermir wants to lynch Deathworlds Deathworlds wants to lynch MartinGG99 Drizzts wants to lynch...no one yet? He's probably still deciding. Maybe Deathworlds or Ash considering his recent posts. Auwt was pressuring Ash on his last post, so I think he wants to lynch Ash. I quoted this for some reason and I can't remember :thonk: OH I remember, it was to agree with the list at that moment. I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, but I targeted bake n2 cuz he was a null read for most people, and I wanted to clear up any neutral territory first: scum reads or town reads aren't worth the check at first. On another note... Also we gotta think for a second, why would Dallarian suddenly leave the game after hours where we were basically coming to a consensus to lynch Dallarian? Helltanis was one thing, but Dallarian was way more active d1 then d2, so his excuse of not being able to keep up with many things seems disingenous. Especially considering I was having trouble keeping up at first but decided to stay in the game. But that also could be because I'm a town power. Even a citizen has his civic duty to vote scum out, so if a citizen leaves, not in the beginning, but in the MIDDLE of the game after a consensus against him was forming, what could that say? Could he be scum? And that's not to mention that deathworlds did not have such a good introduction, and is starting to give off toxic vibes. Could be another Zedus situation, but at this point I say we take the chance, if we are to lynch anyone. Okay that makes perfect sense now, that is something I would have 100% done. Because of reasons that you can talk to SJ or Dall about post game. I would never stoop to Zedus' level, I'm not toxic, I play aggressively towards my scum-reads, and aggressively in general. Trying to advocate for my lynch for giving off "toxic vibes" when there are none to be found isn't a very cash money move. Oh and bake I saw that post, and, uh, yeah it was kinda damning, accusing not just one, but indirectly both of our unCC'd TPRs when there's a maximum of two TPRs left is ignorant of reality at best, and an attempt of hijacking the town in a super high-risk play at worst. It's super unlikely that bake is scum, the bloody stars would've had to align for him to be scum. I don't see how ash/bake could be a thing, because ash is more or less confirmed at this point. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1096] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:26 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 When I saw Martin ready to not lynch iot wait and not mislynch, with that having an extra time to think about it, it sent me really good town vibes. I would certainly not vote Martin neither you Grakylan today, but the fact that none of Ash/bakermir are ready to claim and willing to solve the game really annoy me. I have been asking dozens of time to Ash to put clues on table, or at least make a valid claim, he declined saying there is no need. During my last game of FM, I was citizen, I also woke up D2, because D1 not much to say, all you can do is perceive Citizen vibes from other, that for instance what I did toward Martin (and Grakylan which didnt work apparently). When there is 2 townies dead at D2, an alarm is ringing out, and bakermir, Ash didnt respond to this alarm, tbh. It's hard to make a guess on Dallarian, but at least he was one if not the only to give a reason on D1 lynch, moreover, he unvoted before, I dont see a bad DW right now. I don't want to interrupt your defense but... Maybe Ash is a citizen and i am a vigilante. maybe he is a veteran and i am a veteran too! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1097] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:29 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Town locked: Ash Ash, I am sorry for doing this but yeah it needs to be done. One of us is dead tonight. But no stress, I had fun so far. Ash proves he was genuine with his early game and the stream link he sent. I really liked that you shared this. I have listened to it fully and at one point I created a clip from a specific part. https://clips.twitch.tv/GentleCheerfulTildeArsonNoSexy Anyway, he did many other town contributions entire game. Vote on Zedus was right thing to do for him. Worst would be losing a TPR that would be target of mafia anyway. So it did seem like an ok lynch. Outcome was citizen and his reaction was the right one. He kinda distanced himself from everyone else on Day Two. He is still town for me and a good one. Town lean: Grakylan Forget about everything he have said or done. His night lead is all that is important. His lead is almost correct. I did not visit anyone. He would be in town lock but there is a chance his lead might be fake claim and this is the only reason why I am not revealing my exact role. I want mafia to find it out :gun: I believe Grakylan played very well entire game as a power role from a town perspective. He is for sure a power role but not sure if he is detective or not. I will also not forget that he have been a bandwagon early on like some others here so I will never trust him fully. Null Town Lean but not really: Drizzt His gameplay is pretty consistent with Helltanis. Still needs to provide us more. Maybe ISO on somebody he has been disliking or being linked to? See, Grakylan did one. Null Scum Lean but not really: Deathworlds He is still reading every post out there. Is this a strategy to bandwagon before EOD2? I assumed he would be following the game closely because that's what my mentor is doing. There are observers too. I will still give him time because he volunteered for this. He is still scum lean but not really. Helltanis He seems to be one of the first citizen claims. He tried his best to make sure nobody town locks him. What kind of a strategy was that? I never understood his logic and made him as suspicious as Zedus in my eyes. Scum lean: Dallarian Slack vote + last minute vote on Zedus, tried to be reasonable at parts but I still have no reason to trust him. He presented himself as town on post #77 and then fully contradicted his words with his actions later on. He was quite unresponsive or not present at key discussion moments when the ACTUAL TOWNIES were trying their best to interact and hunt for evils. This happened both in NA and EU time frames. With all the power indicative posts he made, we all eventually believed he is TPR. Now deathworlds claim citizen as I expected and there is something really fishy going on here. Martin His early posts were about how this is his first game and him talking about mafia odds, power roles were quite suspicious. Is he a bigger nerd than me? I assumed he could be but I still went for that sweet push on him because we needed something to happen, not nitpicking on roles, Mr. Shittizen. For real man, I didn't even take a look at other cards and settings up until that point. I recently read them all. I still love the game as much as you do. I don't understand why would you discuss things most of us new players wouldn't even be thinking about at the start of game. You are a citizen? I find it hard to bite. You might aswell be Godfather for all I know. Auwt confirming you for 100% citizen on #154. I will never understand this from town view. He had some posts earlier in Day One where he stated that he is looking for a support from EU time players. I was ready to see the game through his perspective, include him in the defacto town. Giving him freedom provided us nothing. He is still being a bandwagon and not really pushing for anyone. I haven't seen any consistency in his gameplay and I find it funny that he took my mayor/marshall bait seriously. I had moments where I believed he is a citizen. He still might be one but no invest leads Kappa Sorry Martin, I hope you understand my point of view. YOu have some sort of a link to all players I suspect. Scum lock: Auwt For a long time, I believed one of the #77 or #154 sounded like buddying. As the time passed both Dallarian and Auwt didn't prove to me they are willing to lynch Martin. Auwt especially never been aggressive versus him. If I were to lynch anyone, it would most probably be Auwt. His gameplay is consistent with a citizen. However, his accuracy on guessing roles is quite scary. From reading his posts, all I can see is manipulation. Especially take a look at his post #154 and anything after during Day One. Him chatting with Renegade about me, lobbying for support? He is guessing Renegade is TPR previously. In his past 2 FM games he was a scum. For a long time, I believed the chances of him getting scum on third game was low. What if he improved his scum game? What if he is just doing so well in a beginner game? He refused my apology on Day One and continued his push on me. He knows this is a beginner game. But he forgets that I've played the sc2 mod 10 years ago and past one year. I am the guy in mod that plays with log screen open most of the time, not just open that log when a fail evil xships On Day Two he still wants me to confirm I am shittizen. It almost feels like Auwt and Martin can't be sure if I am really citizen or tpr ready to end the game for them on Night 2. They are afraid of me. Auwt seen this early on and wanted me out. I can go on about this a lot more but I am fuckin tired of typing all the scum read I get from this guy. TL,DR; I don't know who we should lynch today. I will leave that to majority here. By logic, lynching a citizen is a better outcome than lynching a TPR EOD2 as we agreed on today. Perhaps, we should lynch one of the citizens for sure and for me in this order of scum to null; Auwt, Martin, Deathworlds, Drizzt. All of this is kinda bullshit tbh, I saw how Ash played this game, I saw how you played this game. I DID NOT FIND any valid reason for Ash to townread you that much, like for real... There is no manipulation is this kind of game, only people making scarry guess toward scums. Right now the ones that arent voting me are : DW, Martin, Grakylan Each of them know I'm not in a scum them with them (meaning DW knows im not in a scum team with him, Martin knows im not in a scum team with him, Grakylan knows im not in a scum team with him) If you see this, for me we just have to look who is opposing me right now to take a guess. I didnt expect Drizzt to join bakermir and Ash tho, thats...uh. Also, first FM game, I was a subordinate scum, my plays were awful, I recognize it. My second FM game, I was Citizen, you can check its the previous FM game. Also Town won because of 'luck' and strong Citizen block. I would have been accused for adding a vote pre 30 min before EOD1, but since nobody counter claimed Citizen, I was a 100% citizen with someone else, namely your Mentor, bakermir. And dont forget Train on Zedus started by Ash discrediting my vote and hard protecting bakermir for legit no reason. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1098] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:30 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't want to interrupt your defense but... Maybe Ash is a citizen and i am a vigilante. maybe he is a veteran and i am a veteran too! I swear if Ash is citizen thats gamethrowing right there. I do not consider you to be any town killing role. Unless you AND Ash claim something, I wont move my thought on both you -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1099] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:34 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I swear if Ash is citizen thats gamethrowing right there. I do not consider you to be any town killing role. Unless you AND Ash claim something, I wont move my thought on both you and what you do isn't gamethrowing? then you have my vote Auwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1100] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:37 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good luck convincing DW and Grakylan. Martin already admitted voting you would end up being gamethrow by him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1101] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:40 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 The Case Against Auwt and Helltanis/Drizzt I’m going to keep this relatively short and simple. We all know the broader context on Auwt. He’s been openly power role hunting, he’s been trying to pressure me into revealing my role to prove myself at a time when I expected to be facing a counterclaim (but the scum knew otherwise), he’s mainly been tunnelling two now mechanically confirmed townies, etc, etc. But here’s the smoking gun. Here’s his explanation of why Renegade was nightkilled, after Martin blamed him for it: There are two players missing from this list. Auwt and Helltanis, who were not on Zedus’ wagon. Auwt never considered them possible kill targets. I pushed him on this, demanding to know why he left himself off the list of possible kills. He ignored my repeated demands for an explanation and departed the thread. Some time later after he had time to think he came back with an explanation: This part is an absolute lie. ISO him yourself. He literally never gave any explanation before this post. Also, the rest of it is also an obvious lie. The reason he’s not on the list is because the list is a list of people voting for Zedus. He didn’t omit himself from it because he considered himself a strong town voice, just as he didn’t omit Helltanis for being a strong town voice. They are not on it because they didn’t vote for Zedus. So why would he think that only people who voted Zedus were potential targets? Well, there’s absolutely no potential logical connection, except one. That the people on it were all town and the people off it were all scum. And what is Auwt doing now? Well right now he's busy defending Drizzt: So yeah. I believe the scum team is exactly Auwt and Drizzt. And of those two, I would like Auwt - the brains of the operation - to be the first lynch. Helltanis was legit afk, I need confirmation Drizzt wasnt the one sending night action for him? Idk if i'm authorized to ask this. I know I was not a target since killing me would have litterally open the bakermir gate. Zedus train was horrible, and you were the one remembering everyone "UUH NOT BAKERMIR WTF LETS TURN TO OUR SAFE PICK ZEDUS", honestly dont you dare talking about the Zedus train because its 100% your fault for luring some town players on him. I have been defending Helltanis position since D1, his speech doesnt fit to a scum, I explained that the vote edit thing is more a "lets wait for a mentor, i dont wanna do shit", which DOESNT FIT AT ALL to a scum mind. Anyway I'm just repeating myself over here. Funny fact, Drizzt (previously Hellstorm) is now voting me and didnt unvote to L-1. Buddy if you still think of this, at least actualize it. And also you just saw me wondering about Martin and DW, and you probably took the easy way out, It's nice opportunism when you main opponent is trying some stuff on your non-team members? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1102] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:41 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 and what you do isn't gamethrowing? then you have my vote Auwt Ash openly claim power, if he withdraw to Citizen right now, he is a dead man. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1103] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:42 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 To be honest, I expected more from you Auwt. Why didn't you claim TPR? Do you see how DW and Drizzt claiming citizen fucked you over? Yet you still accuse me and Ash for this. I am done. If you turn out to be town, you claimed citizen. Let's see how true is that. Sorry not sorry. Fuck you mafia!!!!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1104] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:43 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Honestly DW, if you remember our last game, I did the same kind of thing, trying to get a Citizen block which happened with Varcron. I know this is trying to pocket, but... You should know I'm not lying on this point. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1105] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:44 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ash openly claim power, if he withdraw to Citizen right now, he is a dead man. I seriously don't understand this. He claimed TPR. You claimed citizen. We decided to lynch a citizen. Then we all shared our theories on which citizen should go first. But here you are still trying to figure out what role Ash is or want me to confirm citizen. I don't understand your gameplan at all. Feels so disconnected to Day Two meta. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1106] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:45 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 To be honest, I expected more from you Auwt. Why didn't you claim TPR? Do you see how DW and Drizzt claiming citizen fucked you over? Yet you still accuse me and Ash for this. I am done. If you turn out to be town, you claimed citizen. Let's see how true is that. Sorry not sorry. Fuck you mafia!!!!!! I CANT CLAIM TPR BECAUSE IM A CITIZEN. There's no need to claim tpr if you just arent, come on. I know somebody is lying on the Citizen front, I wasnt willing to vote for Drizzt, but the turnaround it just took was WOW??! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1107] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:46 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I know somebody is lying on the Citizen front finally you realize this now? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1108] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:48 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I seriously don't understand this. He claimed TPR. You claimed citizen. We decided to lynch a citizen. Then we all shared our theories on which citizen should go first. But here you are still trying to figure out what role Ash is or want me to confirm citizen. I don't understand your gameplan at all. Feels so disconnected to Day Two meta. I just dont get why wouldnt TPR claimed themselves. Thats... anti-town for real. We could easily place either one scum in Citizen front and 1 in tpr front Or two scums in either of them, but Ash and you are stubborn at doing youre 'wow i dont wanna reveal you fool' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1109] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:48 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 finally you realize this now? I said it way ago, when I firstly claimed Citizen, we already had an extra citizen count at this time, nothing new from here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1110] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:50 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh, and Drizzt is busy pushing DW, so his own behaviour is consistent with being a team with Auwt. Yeah so consistent that he was ready to lynch me... yeah... I see... Everything... is... clear... yeah... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1111] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:55 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I said it way ago, when I firstly claimed Citizen, we already had an extra citizen count at this time, nothing new from here. Okay Auwt then what does this have anything to do with Ash or me? Ash claimed TPR. I am confirmed by another TPR. Nobody counter claimed Ash. You, Martin, DW and Drizzt claimed citizen. Town had a conclusion that it would be best to go after citizens today. This has nothing to do with me or Ash. I think some people are still willing to believe in you because you know how to play this game. Yet you have picked wrong targets. Except for Renegade. You shouldn't have tried to bully me on day 1. I would have voted for another citizen instead. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1112] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 02:57 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You attacked me even after Grakylan confirmed I didn't visit anyone and there was a mafia kill. Ash has no CC to his TPR claim. Everyone else claimed citizen. Cmon, why ash/bakermir? Please, if you are not a gamethrower then give us something better than that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1113] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:57 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm glad that you've done your research. I was wondering if I was tunneling a bit or not, and I m glad I decided to check back in later ( I mean, I don't really need the sleep since earlier I stated i overslept). At first i thought it was explained, but then i took a deeper look. The only explanation I could find is this: It seems okay at first, however, its quite suspicious that this explanation is tied to this: Why does he assume the lynching townies are the ones that should be killed by mafia? He never explained that. Let me explain this, If I died N1, all eyes would have been on bakermir. Is this a scum strat to avoid getting seen by everyone? Idk Another option would be that I was mislynching a townie, and scum seeing this were like 'well im okay with this, let him do his thing' Scums would know one of the townie voting Zedus would say Ash is looking strange, but weirdly no one said that, appart from me apparently, which I believe is meh from every townie who were on the Zedus train. It was obvious for me that I would live till D2, I didnt even write a single LW at this time if you wanna know. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1114] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 02:59 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay Auwt then what does this have anything to do with Ash or me? Ash claimed TPR. I am confirmed by another TPR. Nobody counter claimed Ash. You, Martin, DW and Drizzt claimed citizen. Town had a conclusion that it would be best to go after citizens today. This has nothing to do with me or Ash. I think some people are still willing to believe in you because you know how to play this game. Yet you have picked wrong targets. Except for Renegade. You shouldn't have tried to bully me on day 1. I would have voted for another citizen instead. FREAKING POSITION YOURSELF. Stop beeing between those 2 blocks. FOR REAL. You are making the work WAY HARDER for town..... EITHER CLAIM POWER OR CITIZEN, so we know where to look upon !! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1115] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:00 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 FREAKING POSITION YOURSELF. Stop beeing between those 2 blocks. FOR REAL. You are making the work WAY HARDER for town..... EITHER CLAIM POWER OR CITIZEN, so we know where to look upon !! Do you feel being invulnerable between those 2 blocks or what?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1116] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:00 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah so consistent that he was ready to lynch me... yeah... I see... Everything... is... clear... yeah... Yea, I still don't understand the Drizzt --> Auwt connection. TBH, it kinda sours my taste for ash. We have hardly interacted Auwt. Maybe He is attributing Helltranis (misspelled) but, my heart, head, and gut says following bakemir is a good decision. As for Ash, he may just have jumped the gun with trying to connect scum pairs, so I'm willing to wait and see how he plays for more information. As for the unvote. We have until 5pm EST I believe to switch around, but until then a little pressure on you is warranted. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1117] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:02 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You attacked me even after Grakylan confirmed I didn't visit anyone and there was a mafia kill. Ash has no CC to his TPR claim. Everyone else claimed citizen. Cmon, why ash/bakermir? Please, if you are not a gamethrower then give us something better than that. Ash has no CC to his TPR claim UNLESS YOU CLAIM TPR. You didnt yet confirm to be a Citizen, or does it happen after P53, idk, need to check. I understand how Ash read, but his reading on you is so bad fed like wth. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1118] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:04 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 But if we're right about Auwt being scum, we can afford another mislynch. I can ensure you, if you do so you wont have mislynch anymore. Moreover if a second mafia killing show up, I will lmao. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1119] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 03:05 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 FREAKING POSITION YOURSELF. Stop beeing between those 2 blocks. FOR REAL. You are making the work WAY HARDER for town..... EITHER CLAIM POWER OR CITIZEN, so we know where to look upon !! Tell me the difference between me being citizen or being a vigilante. Grakylan CONFIRMED I did not move last night. Ash claimed TPR and no one CC'd. We have spent most of Day Two try to dig out TPR's. Everyone smartly claimed citizen. But this backfired on mafia because now there are 2 extra citizen claims because nobody wants to CC Ash and Grakylan. Don't you see your position here? My role has nothing to do with this. Or please tell me why do you think it matters? You don't trust Grakylan's lead all of a sudden? Do you CC Ash tpr? NO! Then what the hell? Are you trying to squeeze information from a very solid town bloc so your mafia buddy knows who exactly to target? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1120] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:08 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, since i pointed out that Auwt's been indirect power hunting by labelling citizens, even if he's town, that's anti-town stuff. Deathworlds said Zedus lynch justified, because he was acting anti-town, and honestly I wonder if he would vote to lynch Auwt. You guys are stubborn that power role hunting is anti-town. What is anti-town right now is to not make a claim. If bakermir choose citizen, he exposes himself being a potential scum on the citizen list. But clear Ash and Grakylan If bakermir choose TPR, he exposes himself being a potential scum on the TPR list. And so we would know that in TPR list there is 1 scum and Citizen list 1 scum. Isnt that hard to understand that placing everyone on boxes is pro-town ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1121] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 03:15 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You are giving me no reason to believe you. You should be accusing DW and Drizzt here for taking citizen claims or maybe question Martin. That is what ruined your game. I didn't ruin your game. I am the last person to be questioned here. If you want to question my alignment, you should have been first looking at Grakylan not me or Ash. Like your whole way of thinking is so anti-town, I can't even.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1122] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:16 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually, I just realised a potential additional point in favour of Drizzt being scum: the fact that all the scum are in the citizen claims. I believe the optimal strategy for scum would have been to split 1/1 with one claiming power and one claiming citizen. That keeps the entire town in consideration as potential scum. However they both went citizen, so we have been able to clear 3. So why did they do it? Well one possibility is that Drizzt subbed in and claimed citizen almost instantly, and at a point when he didn’t realise the significance of that. Remember he did not seem to be very aware of the game state. If he did after his partner already claimed citizen, the scum just locked themselves out of their best strategy with a poorly timed sub. I don’t recall whether Auwt had hardclaimed citizen before or after Drizzt, but he had certainly implied it hard enough that he felt he had no other choice, despite the bad situation. This is all theorycrafting but it’s been nagging at me for a while that the scum didn’t play this situation right from their perspective and I’ve been wondering why. This might not be the reason but I like to think it is. How would you know this? bakermir hasnt sided yet. You seem really to know what is bakermir, tell us, im interested. I like the way that you just put bakermir in the Citizen box, without his willingness. Interesting point right here -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1123] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:17 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Tell me the difference between me being citizen or being a vigilante. Grakylan CONFIRMED I did not move last night. Ash claimed TPR and no one CC'd. We have spent most of Day Two try to dig out TPR's. Everyone smartly claimed citizen. But this backfired on mafia because now there are 2 extra citizen claims because nobody wants to CC Ash and Grakylan. Don't you see your position here? My role has nothing to do with this. Or please tell me why do you think it matters? You don't trust Grakylan's lead all of a sudden? Do you CC Ash tpr? NO! Then what the hell? Are you trying to squeeze information from a very solid town bloc so your mafia buddy knows who exactly to target? Check the post after this one, you have all the answer you need for this vigi/citi thingy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1124] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:21 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Alright guys, I’m out for the night, and probably the game. I have been missing a lot of sleep because of this game, and I am exhausted. It’s been absolutely worth it, though. In the worst case scenario where I’m nightkilled and Auwt flips green, you guys will be in lylo with 2 scum in the lynch pool of 3. In this scenario, the lynch pool needs to vote first - the one town player can vote for either of the other two freely as they will both be scum. Then the confirmed towns in bakemir and Grakylan need to confer and come to an agreement and vote as a bloc. If, as I expect, he flips red and I’m dead, great work. I trust this town to get the job done and I’ll be reading along cheering you on. Auwt I will nostradamus you what will happen, I will turn green and you gonna stay alive. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1125] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 03:23 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Check the post after this one, you have all the answer you need for this vigi/citi thingy. Well my answer to you is that you are the only one asking to know what my role is and what role Ash is. If anyone else wants to know, let me hear then. I will only reveal if multiple people require this sensitive information. Not just one person on L-1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1126] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 03:28 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Check the post after this one, you have all the answer you need for this vigi/citi thingy. Also he is confirmed TPR simply because nobody CC'd him. Man, I don't want to blame mafia here. I don't know.. I think both of evils claiming citizen really made this game become linear lol If it is not you then it is Martin/DW/Drizzt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1127] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 03:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt you're going total tinfoil right now. Grak and Ash are uncc'd TPRs Grak claims detective that cleared bake Ash remains unclaimed to put mafia in wifom hell presumably (at least that's what I'm getting from his crypticallity) Drizzt, you, MartinGG, and myself all explicitly claim citizen. There's one claim left, bake, who is confirmed to have NOT performed the mafia kill at minimum (unless they're a godfather, but I doubt there would be a godfather in a setup this small). Here's the remaining rolelist Hidden scum Hidden scum Hidden town Hidden town Citizen Citizen Citizen Mix and match until you get what you want, but as per the status quo there are exactly two TPR claims that are resolved. Hidden scum Hidden scum Hidden town Grak, Detective Hidden town Ash, TPR Citizen Citizen Citizen Now to add myself as a self-confirming citizen claim Hidden scum Hidden scum Hidden town Grak, Detective Hidden town Ash, TPR Citizen DW Citizen Citizen It's super easy auwt. the only ones left unresolved are Bake (who did not perform the mafia kill assuming grak is telling the truth), Drizzt (who is probably a townie based off their prior slot), Martin (Who hunts TPRs) and yourself who cannot puzzle solve, and attacks our TPR claims. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1128] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:30 AM Title : Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also he is confirmed TPR simply because nobody CC'd him. Man, I don't want to blame mafia here. I don't know.. I think both of evils claiming citizen really made this game become linear lol If it is not you then it is Martin/DW/Drizzt. I'm out of here. After my last 10 posts, if you dont understand how crucial is your placement between Citizen and TPR, then I do not have anything else to say to you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1129] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 03:35 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm out of here. After my last 10 posts, if you dont understand how crucial is your placement between Citizen and TPR, then I do not have anything else to say to you. Yeah so if you are a citizen then 2 evil is in Martin/DW/Drizzt. Don't you see the logic? I thought you would bloody realize your position as citizen claim but you still haven't. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1130] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 03:36 AM Title : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm out of here. After my last 10 posts, if you dont understand how crucial is your placement between Citizen and TPR, then I do not have anything else to say to you. Why would town lynch a TPR or someone confirmed by TPR? There is no counter claim. All of you fucks claimed citizen. Now lambs to the slaughter. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1131] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 03:37 AM Title : S-FM Summer 2020 Why would town lynch a TPR or someone confirmed by TPR? There is no counter claim. All of you fucks claimed citizen. Now lambs to the slaughter. I like your energy -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1132] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:42 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 As long as bakermir doesnt claim Citizen, this is still a posibility for me : Mafia Any - bakermir Mafia Any - ? Maybe Ash Town Power - ? Maybe Ash Town Power - Grakylan (Detective) Citizen - Auwt Citizen - ? Citizen - ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1133] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 29th, 2020 03:43 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I like your energy i should chill indeed. I am not sure if grakylan or martin will be back for EOD but hopefully one of the citizen claims is lynched today and that we don't skip the day without a lynch. Don't forget to lynch Martin/Drizzt/DW tomorrow I think we got this friends. good night and see you in few days lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1134] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:45 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway DW post sound convincing that GF is hard to get. So I guess I have to turn to a Citizen claim, Namely one that follow a train on a real Citizen Drizzt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1135] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:48 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Oh you know what I just dont know, and TPR aint willing to help us, I will let you do your thing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1136] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 03:49 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Consider my vote on Auwt for now, I will probably stick my vote down around 4ish hours from now, then I'm out for the rest of the day. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1137] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 03:50 AM Title : S-FM Summer 2020 Consider my vote on Auwt for now, I will probably stick my vote down around 4ish hours from now, then I'm out for the rest of the day. Whether or not that will result in a lynch or not is up to the rest of the voters because I want to make sure my vote is somewhere were I believe it will do work by EoD, which I won't be around for -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1138] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:50 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 This mysterious claim from bakermir is just freaking up all the boxes so there's absolutely no need to keep this continue. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1139] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 29th, 2020 03:52 AM Title : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Oh you know what I just dont know, and TPR aint willing to help us, I will let you do your thing. Hmm, Auwt just got a +1 in my book for controlling his emotions. Keep it up, I want to believe! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1140] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 04:09 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You guys are stubborn that power role hunting is anti-town. What is anti-town right now is to not make a claim. If bakermir choose citizen, he exposes himself being a potential scum on the citizen list. But clear Ash and Grakylan If bakermir choose TPR, he exposes himself being a potential scum on the TPR list. And so we would know that in TPR list there is 1 scum and Citizen list 1 scum. Isnt that hard to understand that placing everyone on boxes is pro-town ? This is my speach for the defense. Bakermir is just being untargetable staying between those 2 sides and this lead to Ash and Grakylan cannot be confirmed the only TPR's. Even though they are the only two TPR's claim, bakermir could just claim tpr right now and so we know there is a mole between them. Or he could just claim Citizen to confirm both Ash and Grakylan as pure townie. The main issue is that in both those side taking, he would be a potential scum then. That's why for me, not taking a side right now, is anti-town as hell. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1141] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 05:04 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Oh and also, no one here is able to find me a valid team mate. And I'm luring everyone's hate atm. This should alert you. But will it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1142] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 05:15 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh and also, no one here is able to find me a valid team mate. And I'm luring everyone's hate atm. This should alert you. But will it? I mean from my pov it's either Drizz, Martin, or bake. I already said bake or drizz are unlikely scum candidates, thus that leaves Martin. Simple PoE, association reads are usually bogus anyhow -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1143] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : June 29th, 2020 05:42 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 First of all I am very happy that Grakylan started seriously playing. I also expected Helltanis to be replaced. I am happy he have tried FM. I find it difficult to follow the game. Pure reading takes me too much time and FM turned out to be more involving than I expected. It takes me a few hours to just read posts made over night. I feel overwhelmed by content. Yes, it took me too long to write this post. You can add it to my being suspicious list. Most of are my thoughts after D1. I haven't thought over the current situation yet, but I am aware I am being Mafia read by majority. I don't see connection between Auwt and Grakylan. Auwt's claims influenced majority of players, including both of us. There were some fair points pointed at them, but I do not have a newer thought about the situation. It's my first FM ever as well and I simply have no idea who could be Mafia right now. Your analysis process is different and more powerful than mine. I fall behind with game analysis. Now we have more content from Grakylan so I have what to work with. Also I believe in current situation I can find bakermir townie regardless if Grakylan is Mafia or Town. I try to judge people for their actions. Auwt isn't oracle. You neither. Assuming his all D1 Citizen claims are true is risky. However now some of them are confirmed. If Mafia assumed it being correct estimate of situation, perhaps Mafia could be people who are easily influenced and going a lot with flow. I'd say Renegade was more likely to get killed, because of his more "closed" gameplay (unlikely to be healed) and being town read by majority of the people. About your theory I wouldn't say Auwt is hiding under the radar. Also comparing post count is dumb. Auwt created more content than Helltanis did and activity isn't aligment indicative. For me Auwt's lower post count is positive thing. This is going pretty far and you have probably convinced me you're not in team with Auwt. I withdraw from Martin/Auwt Mafia team idea. Suggesting to lynch Auwt first puts you in a bad light, though. Mafia!Martin would for sure used his skill to defend himself after Auwt's mislynch and as long as he convinces one Townie not to vote him, he would be safe. If (I am unsure if you claimed that, please point it out to me) Grakylan is more scummier than Auwt, what should we do with him after Auwt mislynch? I can believe you would be building a strong cause against him on D3. Already asked by Ash, I need to search for answer. Why would Mafia limit themselfs to guilty voters who have actually helped them, and not consider you? If I was Mafia you would be pretty high on my "to kill" list. I explained the reason why I voted Auwt. First thing you have done was to join vote train on Auwt, then you read earlier conversation, said sorry and switched to a longer train. I see here significant behaviour difference. Vote on Auwt wasn't what people found scummy, but following trains. Martin made pretty accurate observation about the whole situation during End of Day 1. He appears and convinced me to be pure town. I deny town tunneling him. My vote was directed to Auwt and stayed until his answer. I expected him to arrive soon and I wasn't wrong. In terms of different sleep patterns a few hours isn't that long. Also explained by Martin. I am overwhelmed with content. I woke up 3 hours ago (update, 6 hours) and only thing I do is reading what happened at night. Power of having a mentor. Also good moment to thank to Gyrlander. Thanks Gyrlander . We can assume bakermir is not GF. @Grakalyn Yes, I was avoiding a few smaller questions D1. I didn't feel need to be over defensive and answer every single post. Is there something you woud like to ask me? Except for my role. Why did I just get thanked? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1144] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 05:42 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 I tempt to believe bakermir is a Beguiler who just hid at my place during last night. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1145] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 29th, 2020 05:50 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Why did I just get thanked? Why did you just post in a Live FM game? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1146] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 05:52 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Already asked by Ash, I need to search for answer. Why would Mafia limit themselfs to guilty voters who have actually helped them, and not consider you? If I was Mafia you would be pretty high on my "to kill" list. Actually I believe I just hit the answer? Beguiler thingy on me? So in case some doubt were on bakermir, he will just look safe. Also with my willingness to get bakermir, he could have expected me to be some sort of Vigilante idk, then I would have shot myself this way. I didnt think of it when I explained why Renegade was most likely to be killed this night, but now that I am thinking of it... Beguiler could be a thing for me. And that would explain how Grakylan found bakermir not moving, because I'm a Citizen. And an "alive" Citizen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1147] Auteur : Auwt Date : June 29th, 2020 05:54 AM Title : Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Why did I just get thanked? I believe thats because you called me "headless chicken" in previous game :D And Dallarian used this expression? Might be it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1148] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 06:18 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Gyrlander you dumb slut, you know better than to post in live games smhing my head -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1149] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 06:19 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Gyrlander you dumb slut, you know better than to post in live games smhing my head For legal reasons, I'm obliged to say that that phrase was mostly entirely sarcasm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1150] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 29th, 2020 07:07 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm placing my vote on auwt as soon as I get home, in about an hour -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1151] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 29th, 2020 07:14 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Consider my vote on Auwt for now, I will probably stick my vote down around 4ish hours from now, then I'm out for the rest of the day. Well it seemed everyone was rather active, at least early in the morning for me. And considering Bakermir, Ash Lael, and Grakylan tend to up at the night (from my PoV), as it's 10 AM for me right now. I see no problem in hammering right now, rather than at 5PM. It just seems like a better time slot for everyone who might live till D3 and D4. Auwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1152] Auteur : The Godfather Date : June 29th, 2020 07:14 AM Auwt has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post! Auwt ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/29012') (4 [L-0]): Ash Lael ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=871314'), bakermir ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=871367'), Drizzt ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=871299'), MartinGG99 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=871473') MartinGG99 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/21928') (1 [L-3]): deathworlds ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=871045') -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1153] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 29th, 2020 10:46 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Auwt was Citizen. Night starts at 10 bst -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1154] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 29th, 2020 02:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Night ends in01:00:00:00 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1155] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 30th, 2020 02:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Day Three Grakylan was murdered. They was a Detective They had a last will written in . Grak the Det. Bakmir did not visit anyone N1. Tracking Martin N2. I could have tracked Ash instead, but decided he may just be luring mafia to a WIFOM situation. Here's why I think Martin is Scum. Martin has already gained some of your trust. And now in a Lylo situation he will push the wrong guy. OR Martin and his scum partner (most likely DW) may have agreed to sacrifice the partner tomorrow and gain EVEN more trust from you guys to leave you confused as he picks you off one by one while looking like a confirmed town. I've been telling you the whole game hes a scumbag. And only now when I'm dead that you are willing to listen? Check posts 1015,1088,1093. Martin didn't even choose his own calculated "most combo eliminating" lynch (4-combo Helltenis/Drizzt or 3-combo Dallarian/DW), hammering 2-combo Auwt just cause the town felt like bandwagoning him. And check post 540. Martin decided not to ISO Zedus cuz "muh bias." I read that as "don't ask questions, lynch Zedus". Look where that got us. I'm tired of Martin controlling the town. And I feel like tomorrow on Lylo Day, he may seize our desperation for his own ends. Lynch Martin tomorrow. On a side note: Keep in mind that Drizzt cheered on Auwt (even when voting him). Look at post 1139 and 1116. He may have detected the town vibes from him. That was after Auwt voted someone then unvoted a post later, similar to something I did D1 that Ash criticized on post 72. I still say pressure Ash for his leads or if hes an investigative or protective if hes a TPR. Just to be sure he isn't lying. We need all hands on deck. 3 Rolelist Alive Players Graveyard Mafia Any Mafia Any Town Any Town Any Town Any Citizen Citizen Citizen Citizen 3. Dallarian deathworlds 4. MartinGG99 5. Helltanis Drizzt 8. Ash Lael 9. bakermir 6. Zedus- Citizen 2. Renegade- Doctor Auwt- Citizen Grakylan - Detective DAY ENDS IN 02:00:00:00 QuickLinks LINK TO SETUP (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/41590-S-FM-SC2Mafia-(13P-1-0)) PostCount (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=46924) Day One (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=869839&viewfull=1#post869839) Day Two (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46924-S-FM-Summer-2020?p=870669&viewfull=1#post870669) Day Three ("") . -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1156] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Unfortunately, I had hoped grakylan would live. I made this huge post just calculating my suspicions based on what he did :( : I believe that the scum team may be revealed depending on what happens, and more importantly, if Graklyan lived and who he checks as detective. The only possible scum combos I see now (from my PoV): Drizzt + Deathworlds (More likely) OR Grakylan + Bakermir (Much Less likely, but still possible if Town Any citizen): https://i.imgur.com/DNg4fib.jpg That doesn't mean they're innocent. An unfortunate fact of this setup is that with two mafia members, one can choose to not act while the other kills. Since I know I'm town, and the two combo possibilities above, I'm voting Deathworlds + Drizzt. Well, it’s obvious. They're Scum. From my PoV, Deathworlds or Drizzt being scum means the other is scum as well. Well, I'm proven!.......not really. The unfortunate fact is that scum have an option to not act since they have two members. One can kill, the other can simply not use their power. I'm going to vote for Deathworlds + Drizzt though, since I know I'm town. Well, I don't know what to tell ya. Unless there's a bus driver, it has to be Grakylan + Bakermir, as Grakylan just lied to my face about being detective. Don't forget the person he "checked" night 1 was Bakermir. Wait, why did he check Ash? Didn't we just establish on D2 that its the citizen claims are suspicious and power claims are mechanically proven? Its Grakylan + Bakermir. Well, if Grakylan died, and Ash has nothing to contribute with his power role, then I'm going with the definitive possibility of Drizzt + Deathworlds. Looks like I have to convince you guys to lynch whatever scum mate you guys propose that I would be teamed with, if you all suspect me more than anything else. I'm leaning towards Deathworlds as a preference. However, since they're both scum, I don't care which way we do it. Don't forget that since Grakylan is dead, that de-facto disproves Grakylan + Bakermir. I've removed the possibilities that Grakylan is tied to Deathworlds or Drizzt, because I feel its unlikely Grakylan would've lied about Bakermir (a townie) on n1 if he was scum hiding as "detective", along with the unlikely possibility of Town Any citizen (whereas if scum Bakermir+Grakylan, the lie makes sense). In the off chance that one of the above options that incriminates Bakemir+Grakylan occurs, you now know the reason why I think it must be him and Bakermir and not connected at all to Drizzt and Deathworlds. As you can see, my reads largely depend on what Grakylan says, and if he lives or dies. Town-locked Ash Lael Very Town-lean on Grakylan/Bakermir Very Scum-lean on Drizzt/Deathworlds Unless, of course, Grakylan does something that is incriminating of the Grakylan/Bakermir duo, in which case my Town-Lean and Scum-Lean reads switch places. Oh, and don't even try to suggest Ash is scum (if anyone was planning to, like Auwt). If he is, then he has played well and deserves the win. Obviously, since Grakylan died, I choose to believe Drizzt + Deathworlds as the scum team. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1157] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, here's all the read progressions (in a spreadsheet format, in individual pics) of everyone in the game, including the dead, as of N2. Each notes the post # for each read. Some reads used slightly ambiguous wording so I tried my best to guess them correctly. Black cells indicate that either that's the person doing the read in the picture (otherwise they would be reading themselves lol), or that they're dead and can't do any more reads (This doesn't include the N2 victim, Grakylan). https://i.imgur.com/CUwdbzv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/KoQaykW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/58ubq1H.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gDOzW9i.jpg https://i.imgur.com/li4fwXi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/F28RTh4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HnHovLj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NOQNvkk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/g6dium1.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1158] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you're going to lynch me today guys, I cannot blame you. I had some difficulty believing myself that Drizzt was scum, but for me now that's mechanically proven in my PoV. I had treated Helltanis too lightly in the early game (D1), and I failed in that. However, I do wish to post a side note here just in case you guys end up deciding to lynch me today or on D4: Honestly, this game has been really fun for me, but its saddening that Zedus tunneled on me like hell and then Auwt somehow felt that not-claiming an exact TPR role was suspicious somehow? I mean, technically there's room for considering possibility in that there was a Town Any citizen, but the chances of it being Ash? Very low. I get the feeling that both Zedus and Auwt came into this game thinking -Mafia- mod strategies and etc were to be expected to be useful in the forum game. Zedus thought day 1 lynches were supsicious, and they are in the mod. Auwt thought no direct role claim is suspicious, and they usually are in late game for the mod, or when you're on trial in the mod. Unfortunately for them, Forum Mafia is a lot different from the mod, but has some similar principles. But knowing which principles exist only in Forum Mafia or the mod -Mafia- is crucial. I'm quite thankful I've done my research or studying prior to the game, but unfortunately, I just didn't do enough research on the early game, or at least how to put my thoughts into words. But please know, even if you lynch me today and therefore end the game, I'm quite thankful for the experience. I would like to thank you Auwt and Zedus for trying your best, even if it was disagreeable for most. I hope we all can learn from this game and become better versions of ourselves. And I would like to thank Ash Lael the most, for without his watchful eye I may have never noticed the many problems and mistakes that I made as a townie – namely on day 1. And finally, I would like to thank everyone one last time for this enjoyable experience, even if its the town's defeat. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1159] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And since Ash stated earlier that he wanted those in the lynch block (Me, deathworlds, Drizzt) to vote before the town core (Ash, Grakylan, Bakermir) decided, I'm going to vote now. But it doesn't matter to me whoever we lynch first, so long as its not me. Drizzt That's for deceiving me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1160] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 02:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Damn. I got juked. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1161] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 02:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I’m a Veteran, for the record. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1162] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 02:22 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And since Ash stated earlier that he wanted those in the lynch block (Me, deathworlds, Drizzt) to vote before the town core (Ash, Grakylan, Bakermir) decided, I'm going to vote now. But it doesn't matter to me whoever we lynch first, so long as its not me. Drizzt That's for deceiving me. I'm not sure what deception you are talking about. If you explain it I'll tell my side. I'm citizen, and since I'm telling the truth I'm sure it was either an honest mistake or a misinterpretation on your part (communication with text isn't perfect). At the moment my biggest suspect is DW. I can't believe Martin would do so much work and offer to die if he wasn't town, but maybe he's just an incredible method actor. Right now I'm looking pretty hard at voting DW. Bakemir, I followed his vote or I'd probably have voted DW to begin with. Can you provide a list of current claims? I know you've done a lot already, so a little more can't hurt :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1163] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I will always look back on this post in the game.....I imagine the setup was balanced. But the players weren't. But hey, SJ tried to fix that with a familiar setup. He did his best I bet. The game will be balanced. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1164] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 02:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also, here's all the read progressions (in a spreadsheet format, in individual pics) of everyone in the game, including the dead, as of N2. Each notes the post # for each read. Some reads used slightly ambiguous wording so I tried my best to guess them correctly. Black cells indicate that either that's the person doing the read in the picture (otherwise they would be reading themselves lol), or that they're dead and can't do any more reads (This doesn't include the N2 victim, Grakylan). https://i.imgur.com/CUwdbzv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/KoQaykW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/58ubq1H.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gDOzW9i.jpg https://i.imgur.com/li4fwXi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/F28RTh4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HnHovLj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NOQNvkk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/g6dium1.jpg Good stuff. I'm have an appointment in like 20 min but I'll review it. I'd really like confirmation from other experienced players on his data before I rely on it to make decisions this time. Can anyone verify what he's posted in whole or in part? Otherwise I'll do my best to verify it myself... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1165] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'm not sure what deception you are talking about. If you explain it I'll tell my side. I'm citizen, and since I'm telling the truth I'm sure it was either an honest mistake or a misinterpretation on your part (communication with text isn't perfect). At the moment my biggest suspect is DW. I can't believe Martin would do so much work and offer to die if he wasn't town, but maybe he's just an incredible method actor. Right now I'm looking pretty hard at voting DW. Bakemir, I followed his vote or I'd probably have voted DW to begin with. Can you provide a list of current claims? I know you've done a lot already, so a little more can't hurt :) Look, unless Bakermir is scum and decided to not act N1 as scum, or was bussed night 1, he's town. Ash is the last TPR claim, meaning those two are confirmed towns. Its just us, me, you, and DW. There's 2 scum left, and thats 2 out of us 3. Im sorry, but I can't trust you. You're mechanically proven scum to me. Or, in the hypothetical world that you are the town, I'm mechanically proven scum to you. There is no other way, detective ignores detection immunity. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1166] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 02:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Okay I gotta tear myself away from the thread and get my kids ready for school. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1167] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Look, unless Bakermir is scum and decided to not act N1 as scum, or was bussed night 1, he's town. Ash is the last TPR claim, meaning those two are confirmed towns. Its just us, me, you, and DW. There's 2 scum left, and thats 2 out of us 3. Im sorry, but I can't trust you. You're mechanically proven scum to me. Or, in the hypothetical world that you are the town, I'm mechanically proven scum to you. There is no other way, detective ignores detection immunity. I'll vote DW if we're lynching him. But I don't want to encourage a hammer on him that would ruin our chance and time for discussion as the town. For now though, Drizzt Ash wanted me to declare my vote, well he wanted us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1168] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 02:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Look, unless Bakermir is scum and decided to not act N1 as scum, or was bussed night 1, he's town. Ash is the last TPR claim, meaning those two are confirmed towns. Its just us, me, you, and DW. There's 2 scum left, and thats 2 out of us 3. Im sorry, but I can't trust you. You're mechanically proven scum to me. Or, in the hypothetical world that you are the town, I'm mechanically proven scum to you. There is no other way, detective ignores detection immunity. You have an invalid assumption somewhere that you are basing your conclusion on. I am town, on my balls ON MY BALLS I am citizen. May they wither and fall off if I'm lying. You can call me a eunich forever. I don't have the experience to debate you too much, but if you list how I deceived you and how you are reaching the conclusion that I'm scum I'll try. Otherwise, I'm going to assume you are actually scum and you actually believe my claim. In that case I'll need to go back to bakemir and get his opinion on what to do with you over DW. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1169] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well I can't say I'm totally shocked that scum decided to kill Grak, makes sense from a mechanical standpoint. I am shocked that auwt didn't flip red -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1170] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So ash is un CC'D tpr claim, bake didn't do anything n1, and we got two other unresolved citizen claims in Drizzt and Martin. I really, REALLY want to believe that drizz is town, based off of Helltanis' play, but I can't imagine a world where mafia doesn't act on n1. So that really does leave martin/drizzt, if we all agree that it isn't bake. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1171] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You have an invalid assumption somewhere that you are basing your conclusion on. I am town, on my balls ON MY BALLS I am citizen. May they wither and fall off if I'm lying. You can call me a eunich forever. I don't have the experience to debate you too much, but if you list how I deceived you and how you are reaching the conclusion that I'm scum I'll try. Otherwise, I'm going to assume you are actually scum and you actually believe my claim. In that case I'll need to go back to bakemir and get his opinion on what to do with you over DW. Well assuming you are citizen, like me, then there's one possibility, but i don't believe it likely. That would be Bakermir + Deathworlds. Like I said, Bakermir could've done nothing on N1 while scum, and that wouldn't have tipped off Grakylan the detective as scummy. Actually, that could make sense in some world. There was a slight reason for him to do nothing night 1, and that's because Auwt voted him day 1. Although that was just only 1 vote against Bakermir. If I were him and scum, that wouldn't convince me to do nothing. However, it is possible. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1172] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:38 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well assuming you are citizen, like me, then there's one possibility, but i don't believe it likely. That would be Bakermir + Deathworlds. Like I said, Bakermir could've done nothing on N1 while scum, and that wouldn't have tipped off Grakylan the detective as scummy. Actually, that could make sense in some world. There was a slight reason for him to do nothing night 1, and that's because Auwt voted him day 1. Although that was just only 1 vote against Bakermir. If I were him and scum, that wouldn't convince me to do nothing. However, it is possible. Or i suppose in Deathworld's PoV, that's Martin + Bakermir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1173] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 02:38 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 So ash is un CC'D tpr claim, bake didn't do anything n1, and we got two other unresolved citizen claims in Drizzt and Martin. I really, REALLY want to believe that drizz is town, based off of Helltanis' play, but I can't imagine a world where mafia doesn't act on n1. So that really does leave martin/drizzt, if we all agree that it isn't bake. I'd like to hear from Bake, Martin unvoted me, but at the end of the day I'll prob follow him as long as I agree with his logic. If we lose, we'll lose as a team. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1174] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well assuming you are citizen, like me, then there's one possibility, but i don't believe it likely. That would be Bakermir + Deathworlds. Like I said, Bakermir could've done nothing on N1 while scum, and that wouldn't have tipped off Grakylan the detective as scummy. Actually, that could make sense in some world. There was a slight reason for him to do nothing night 1, and that's because Auwt voted him day 1. Although that was just only 1 vote against Bakermir. If I were him and scum, that wouldn't convince me to do nothing. However, it is possible. Well it's certainly possible that bake COULD be scum. He isn't mechanically disproven, but as I said before, the bloody stars would have had to align for him to get this far. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1175] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 02:41 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well assuming you are citizen, like me, then there's one possibility, but i don't believe it likely. That would be Bakermir + Deathworlds. Like I said, Bakermir could've done nothing on N1 while scum, and that wouldn't have tipped off Grakylan the detective as scummy. Actually, that could make sense in some world. There was a slight reason for him to do nothing night 1, and that's because Auwt voted him day 1. Although that was just only 1 vote against Bakermir. If I were him and scum, that wouldn't convince me to do nothing. However, it is possible. I'd still like someone to look at your data. You could be appealing to my love of data- in my last job for the AF we relied heavily on other people for stuff we didn't know so my natural inclination is to be trusting with someone so well prepared (a weakness maybe in FM games). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1176] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I'd like to hear from Bake, Martin unvoted me, but at the end of the day I'll prob follow him as long as I agree with his logic. If we lose, we'll lose as a team. Well I mean arguing in this 1v2 isn't going to get us anywhere because we'll all just point fingers at each other like the spiderman meme, it's probably best if we get input from bake and ash, because I'll just say you and martin are scum, martin will say that you and I are scum, and you will say that martin and I are scum. We all "know" that we're citizen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1177] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well it's certainly possible that bake COULD be scum. He isn't mechanically disproven, but as I said before, the bloody stars would have had to align for him to get this far. Exactly. Bloody stars would have to align. To be honest, I almost want to lynch him to cling onto hope that he is scum and that I'm wrong about Drizzt + Deathworlds. Helltanis just seemed too authentic to me, but then that's my failure again if Drizzt is scum in the end. Thing is though, Dallarian/Deathworlds and Bakermir have been butting heads on occasion since early D1. So they're incredibly distanced, and that leaves me to believe that if Bakermir is scum then I am lynched day 4. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1178] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:44 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well I mean arguing in this 1v2 isn't going to get us anywhere because we'll all just point fingers at each other like the spiderman meme, it's probably best if we get input from bake and ash, because I'll just say you and martin are scum, martin will say that you and I are scum, and you will say that martin and I are scum. We all "know" that we're citizen. That's another way of putting the point that I was trying to make to you Drizzt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1179] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:45 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I really hate this puzzle solving stage of the game -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1180] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 02:46 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I will always look back on this post in the game.....I imagine the setup was balanced. But the players weren't. But hey, SJ tried to fix that with a familiar setup. He did his best I bet. Yeah there is a low possibility with Town Any being citizen which could mean Ash is mafia. But then who is his partner? It doesn't add up. Should I expect the impossible from Ash? I still think we have a higher chance if we lynch another citizen claim. It appears we have a lesser chance of failing today on that due to number of players on each side. Sadly, I will be unavailable for few hours but I hope you guys prepare your cases well. I am looking forward to reading more input from you all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1181] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 02:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well I mean arguing in this 1v2 isn't going to get us anywhere because we'll all just point fingers at each other like the spiderman meme, it's probably best if we get input from bake and ash, because I'll just say you and martin are scum, martin will say that you and I are scum, and you will say that martin and I are scum. We all "know" that we're citizen. Oh cmon, don't be so self aware. I thought it would be fun today -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1182] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 02:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Exactly. Bloody stars would have to align. To be honest, I almost want to lynch him to cling onto hope that he is scum and that I'm wrong about Drizzt + Deathworlds. Helltanis just seemed too authentic to me, but then that's my failure again if Drizzt is scum in the end. Thing is though, Dallarian/Deathworlds and Bakermir have been butting heads on occasion since early D1. So they're incredibly distanced, and that leaves me to believe that if Bakermir is scum then I am lynched day 4. It would teach me a valuable lesson about following someone so firmly. I'll hear what bake has to say, but so many people are saying he's almost certainly town, people who are on both sides of the fence, that his input is valuable imo. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1183] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Sadly, I will be unavailable for few hours but I hope you guys prepare your cases well. I am looking forward to reading more input from you all. I don't really have any more input. I've made as much input I could during N2, and that's the first three posts after the D3 post by SJ unless others have something to discuss with me (Ex: Drizzt earlier). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1184] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 02:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah there’s a tiny edge possibility of bakemir being exactly godfather, but I am never going to bet the game on that. Not when we have a 2/3 chance to hit scum in the non-insane world where it’s 2 of Martin/DW/Drizzt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1185] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 02:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't really have any more input. I've made as much input I could during N2, and that's the first three posts after the D3 post by SJ unless others have something to discuss with me (Ex: Drizzt earlier). If you want, we can end this now -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1186] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 02:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you want, we can end this now I'm down, lol. What do you think of Martin's probability data? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1187] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you want, we can end this now :crabrave: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1188] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah there’s a tiny edge possibility of bakemir being exactly godfather, but I am never going to bet the game on that. Not when we have a 2/3 chance to hit scum in the non-insane world where it’s 2 of Martin/DW/Drizzt. Godfather doesn't matter, Detective ignores detection immunity. What would matter is if he was Beguiler, which would redirect targets to whoever he targeted on n1. But still edge chance that he is. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1189] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah there’s a tiny edge possibility of bakemir being exactly godfather, but I am never going to bet the game on that. Not when we have a 2/3 chance to hit scum in the non-insane world where it’s 2 of Martin/DW/Drizzt. I remember when I got juked by betting on the non-cursed timeline. Gods third line butterfly is going to haunt me for years to come -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1190] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't have any objections to ending this now, so long as Ash is 100% okay with it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1191] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 *obligatory self preservation statement* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1192] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't have any objections to ending this now, so long as Ash is 100% okay with it. Because with Ash being okay and Bakermir being okay with it, I presume there is no further discussion to be had. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1193] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually I do have one bit to add. I'd still like to see Martin get lynched more than anything else, the way he hammered auwt when we still had more than a few hours left to go in the day left a sour taste in my mouth, in addition to my prior scum read on him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1194] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 02:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually I do have one bit to add. I'd still like to see Martin get lynched more than anything else, the way he hammered auwt when we still had more than a few hours left to go in the day left a sour taste in my mouth, in addition to my prior scum read on him. We didn't have more than a few hours left. It was roughly around the time you said you were going to hammer him. I quoted that in my hammer vote. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1195] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 02:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Actually I do have one bit to add. I'd still like to see Martin get lynched more than anything else, the way he hammered auwt when we still had more than a few hours left to go in the day left a sour taste in my mouth, in addition to my prior scum read on him. We live in a timeline where it's POSSIBLE for bake to be scum, and drizz to be innocent. But there's no timeline where I see Martin being town -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1196] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 03:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 We didn't have more than a few hours left. It was roughly around the time you said you were going to hammer him. I quoted that in my hammer vote. I was going to hammer unless someone unvoted, as I said before, I mostly just wanted to make sure my vote was somewhere it would count by EoD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1197] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 03:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 If you want, we can end this now Who do you think is NOT the scum? I have no objections to the lynch pool voting now because the townie in it never votes townie. But you and me need to get it right. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1198] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 03:02 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Who do you think is NOT the scum? I have no objections to the lynch pool voting now because the townie in it never votes townie. But you and me need to get it right. Betting he thinks Drizzt given his last reads list. Out of the three, he's the most towny on that list. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1199] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 03:05 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I remember when I got juked by betting on the non-cursed timeline. Gods third line butterfly is going to haunt me for years to come My first FM game. Yeah, I agree it would have been pretty good content if I turned out to be godfather after all of this. Who would you vote anyway? Ash/Martin/Bakermir/Drizzt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1200] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 03:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 My first FM game. Yeah, I agree it would have been pretty good content if I turned out to be godfather after all of this. Who would you vote anyway? Ash/Martin/Bakermir/Drizzt Martin's the safest bet from my PoV. I have a hard time believing ash or you are scum based off of mechanics and claims. Drizzt would be my 2nd choice in this scenario, strictly because he isn't mechanically disproven. Martin's been scummy this whole game from my PoV. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1201] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 03:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Betting he thinks Drizzt given his last reads list. Out of the three, he's the most towny on that list. Hmm. To me, Drizzt is the one that’s always scum. Martin has a long-standing citizen claim out there and Dallarian claimed in a long, thought out post. I don’t see that considered decision from scum Dallarian putting scum Martin and himself in this bind. So if it’s not dw/Martin it’s either Drizzt/DW or Drizzt/Martin. Guess we just need to talk it out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1202] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 03:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Hmm. To me, Drizzt is the one that’s always scum. Martin has a long-standing citizen claim out there and Dallarian claimed in a long, thought out post. I don’t see that considered decision from scum Dallarian putting scum Martin and himself in this bind. So if it’s not dw/Martin it’s either Drizzt/DW or Drizzt/Martin. Guess we just need to talk it out. Do you mean the only possible scum claims are Drizzt/DW or Drizzt/Martin? If so, you objectively have a mistake in your logic- from my POV :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1203] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 03:20 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Who do you think is NOT the scum? I have no objections to the lynch pool voting now because the townie in it never votes townie. But you and me need to get it right. My scum to null haven't changed. Auwt>Martin>DW>Drizzt Honestly, I wanted to see how mafia would play this out but DW kinda admitted whatever they do will look like the spiderman meme. I don't know. Them considering me and you evil gives me a slight hope but then there have been too many things before. Grakylan wants Martin out. I feel like I owe him one. Martin and Dallarian were buddies earlier. Now DW is saying Martin is more scum than Drizzt. Idk, I had no sleep and I am quite tired. If you guys want to end this now then lets go. Martin, you have choosen Drizzt. DW is most likely choosing Martin. But what is Drizzt choosing? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1204] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 03:24 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 My scum to null haven't changed. Auwt>Martin>DW>Drizzt Honestly, I wanted to see how mafia would play this out but DW kinda admitted whatever they do will look like the spiderman meme. I don't know. Them considering me and you evil gives me a slight hope but then there have been too many things before. Grakylan wants Martin out. I feel like I owe him one. Martin and Dallarian were buddies earlier. Now DW is saying Martin is more scum than Drizzt. Idk, I had no sleep and I am quite tired. If you guys want to end this now then lets go. Martin, you have choosen Drizzt. DW is most likely choosing Martin. But what is Drizzt choosing? Honestly, I think I’m good with a Martin lynch. It’s what Grak wanted, it’s what you want, and I’ve been scumreading him for half the game. I’m good to just do it now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1205] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 03:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Martin and Dallarian were buddies earlier. That is very much true. But at the same time, when looking at my Reads Progression (aka Reads history) image, I null'ed Auwt the same time I null'ed Dallarian. If im scum, this implies (at the very least) that deathworlds is town. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1206] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 03:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Honestly, I think I’m good with a Martin lynch. It’s what Grak wanted, it’s what you want, and I’ve been scumreading him for half the game. I’m good to just do it now. My vote today would be on DW but I am open to voting Martin and Drizzt. I really dislike how 2 players I was marking as null/scum lean got upgraded into some game where Drizzt is displaying a better version of Heltanis "Day One Gameplay" which I was finding a bit suspicious while DW is being quite different than Dallarian. DW voted up Martin twice now. Day Two/Day Three Dallarian was protective of Martin Day One and was sure Zedus was evil and had negative thoughts on Auwt's alignment. DW, Drizzt and Martin all of them were OK with lynching Auwt. Drizzt is still scum bandwagon just like how Helltanis was. Martin could be the town here but then he has his own list of things I consider scum entire game. Him and Auwt were openly hunting TPR's and had wrong guesses on some town problems. However you have trusted me and Grakylan confirmed me. I do feel like I owe Grakylan for spoiling me this much lol His lw says Martin. I am okay with your decision at this point. Even voting Drizzt. I don't know really. It is just a game anyway. I just want to make all the town players happy by winning the game. Mafia just type -suicide lol I don't know.. Drizzt Who would you vote between Martin and DW -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1207] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 03:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 My vote today would be on DW but I am open to voting Martin and Drizzt. I really dislike how 2 players I was marking as null/scum lean got upgraded into some game where Drizzt is displaying a better version of Heltanis "Day One Gameplay" which I was finding a bit suspicious while DW is being quite different than Dallarian. DW voted up Martin twice now. Day Two/Day Three Dallarian was protective of Martin Day One and was sure Zedus was evil and had negative thoughts on Auwt's alignment. DW, Drizzt and Martin all of them were OK with lynching Auwt. Drizzt is still scum bandwagon just like how Helltanis was. Martin could be the town here but then he has his own list of things I consider scum entire game. Him and Auwt were openly hunting TPR's and had wrong guesses on some town problems. However you have trusted me and Grakylan confirmed me. I do feel like I owe Grakylan for spoiling me this much lol His lw says Martin. I am okay with your decision at this point. Even voting Drizzt. I don't know really. It is just a game anyway. I just want to make all the town players happy by winning the game. Mafia just type -suicide lol I don't know.. Drizzt Who would you vote between Martin and DW Honestly, I feel like this is the easy choice. I think the team is Martin/Drizzt, you think it’s DW/Martin, Grak had lynching Martin as his last request. If the one town in that group of three is the one person that all three locked town players believe is scum, we deserve to lose. The hard choice is going to be the f3. Whichever one of us goes there, is going to be in WIFOM hell. I’ll be wondering if DW brought me to kill Drizzt or you’ll be wondering if Drizzt brought you to kill DW. I hope I’m the night kill and it’s your problem lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1208] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 03:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Grakylan wants Martin out. He suggested two options for Martin's gameplay; push for townie Drizzt or lynch his mate DW for trust. Is he tunneling on him like Auwt did to me? I just want to believe he had valid reasons for such lw. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1209] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 03:52 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I don't know really. It is just a game anyway. I just want to make all the town players happy by winning the game. I'm not sure if that's possible with Zedus, if he still considers me scum while dead. He's probably not going to be happy if I flip town, or Drizzt + DW flip scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1210] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 03:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 My vote today would be on DW but I am open to voting Martin and Drizzt. I really dislike how 2 players I was marking as null/scum lean got upgraded into some game where Drizzt is displaying a better version of Heltanis "Day One Gameplay" which I was finding a bit suspicious while DW is being quite different than Dallarian. DW voted up Martin twice now. Day Two/Day Three Dallarian was protective of Martin Day One and was sure Zedus was evil and had negative thoughts on Auwt's alignment. DW, Drizzt and Martin all of them were OK with lynching Auwt. Drizzt is still scum bandwagon just like how Helltanis was. Martin could be the town here but then he has his own list of things I consider scum entire game. Him and Auwt were openly hunting TPR's and had wrong guesses on some town problems. However you have trusted me and Grakylan confirmed me. I do feel like I owe Grakylan for spoiling me this much lol His lw says Martin. I am okay with your decision at this point. Even voting Drizzt. I don't know really. It is just a game anyway. I just want to make all the town players happy by winning the game. Mafia just type -suicide lol I don't know.. Drizzt Who would you vote between Martin and DW DW is my first choice, but I'm seriously not ruling out Martin. Not because he voted me, actually I think he unvoted me didn't he? Martin has prepared a lot of material for a scum role....If we lynch DW and it turns out Martin is Scum, it'll teach me a valuable lesson about relying on other peoples information lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1211] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 03:54 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And if this really is some sick timeline where you have both managed to convince me you’re town through the whole game and somehow get a green check from a confirmed power role when you’re mafia, then I’m not even mad. G flipping g. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1212] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 03:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I’m just glad Grak randed TPR to be honest because without the un CC’d claim I would have been up to mislynch the poor guy for sure. Really we’ve had a lot of good luck this game, despite some unhelpful town partners. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1213] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 03:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Honestly, I feel like this is the easy choice. I think the team is Martin/Drizzt, you think it’s DW/Martin, Grak had lynching Martin as his last request. If the one town in that group of three is the one person that all three locked town players believe is scum, we deserve to lose. The hard choice is going to be the f3. Whichever one of us goes there, is going to be in WIFOM hell. I’ll be wondering if DW brought me to kill Drizzt or you’ll be wondering if Drizzt brought you to kill DW. I hope I’m the night kill and it’s your problem lol. Wait, maybe I misunderstood but I thought there are two citizens remaining and we have three citizen claims- Martin, myself, and DW. That would mean a Drizzt/DW team is impossible, right? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1214] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 03:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Wait, maybe I misunderstood but I thought there are two citizens remaining and we have three citizen claims- Martin, myself, and DW. That would mean a Drizzt/DW team is impossible, right? Bakermir is the confirmed citizen. Only one citizen left. And its not you or DW unless Bakermir was beguiler n1, or did nothing n1 as scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1215] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 04:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Wait, maybe I misunderstood but I thought there are two citizens remaining and we have three citizen claims- Martin, myself, and DW. That would mean a Drizzt/DW team is impossible, right? This just has to be a fake derpclear, doesn’t it? Drizzt can’t possibly be this unaware of the situation. Gah. I dunno, maybe it is DW/Martin. But I just don’t see that team getting themselves here. Dallarian/DW claimed after Martin, could easily have claimed TPR, and seemed too aware to not know this would be the result of faking citizen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1216] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 04:04 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Bakermir is the confirmed citizen. Only one citizen left. And its not you or DW unless Bakermir was beguiler n1, or did nothing n1 as scum. If that's accurate, than I'm almost certainly voting DW. I'll wait on a bakemir move like the wimp I am! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1217] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 04:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Don't forget Bakermir has mentioned a few times already that he needs to go soon, so if we're ending it today we better do it soon. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1218] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 04:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 This just has to be a fake derpclear, doesn’t it? Drizzt can’t possibly be this unaware of the situation. Gah. I dunno, maybe it is DW/Martin. But I just don’t see that team getting themselves here. Dallarian/DW claimed after Martin, could easily have claimed TPR, and seemed too aware to not know this would be the result of faking citizen. You vastly underestimate my desire not to read before page 40 when I started lol. So citizen claims are myself, Bakemir and DW. I got confused there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1219] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 04:08 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Maybe Dall was just cowardly and didn’t want to face off against me and Grak, who were both being pretty assertive. In that case he really dumped DW in it, and DW has been hard bussing Martin to get the credibility to mislynch Drizzt in the f3. I dunno. I’m ready to see the lynch pool throw down votes. If you’re the town player in DW/Martin/Drizzt, you’re the one person guaranteed to vote right. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1220] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 04:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You vastly underestimate my desire not to read before page 40 when I started lol. So citizen claims are myself, Bakemir and DW. I got confused there. Right, and Bakemir is greenchecked by a confirmed detective. So it’s really between the three of you, and if you are town, you therefore know who both scum are. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1221] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 04:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Maybe Dall was just cowardly and didn’t want to face off against me and Grak, who were both being pretty assertive. In that case he really dumped DW in it, and DW has been hard bussing Martin to get the credibility to mislynch Drizzt in the f3. I dunno. I’m ready to see the lynch pool throw down votes. If you’re the town player in DW/Martin/Drizzt, you’re the one person guaranteed to vote right. Im not sure what's the point in me voting. I waiting to see if we're lynching me, Drizzt, or DW. And it seems certain its me. But if you insist. Drizzt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1222] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 04:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Don't forget Bakermir has mentioned a few times already that he needs to go soon, so if we're ending it today we better do it soon. Considering we’re lining up to lynch you, if you’re town this is a game throw. Yeah this is always scum. You just want out and to let your partner try to win the 50/50 in the f3. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1223] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 04:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 MartinGG99 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1224] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 04:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Fuckin' hell, I hate mylo -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1225] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 04:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Drizzt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1226] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 04:14 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SCUM WIN BOTTOM TEXT Drizzt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1227] Auteur : The Godfather Date : June 30th, 2020 04:14 PM Drizzt has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post! Drizzt ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27970') (3 [L-0]): MartinGG99 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=871686'), deathworlds ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=871692'), Ash Lael ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=871691') -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1228] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 30th, 2020 04:38 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Mafia. As in Ash and DW. Have won. You have all played amazing. I am legit proud of you all. You all have something to work on to improve your game. And this game will set as an example. Expect a more detailed post. Addressing each player. I will warn you now. And once. ANY Toxic, insults or attacks will see you banned. Constitution Criticism is good. But shitting on people play. ESPECIALLY in a game consisting of newbs is disgusting and immoral. Feel free to say whatever you want about me as the host though. I don't care how rude you are too me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1229] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 30th, 2020 04:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Thead is now open. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1230] Auteur : Unknown1234 Date : June 30th, 2020 04:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Gg Scum team and town players. #bringbackAuwt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1231] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 30th, 2020 04:44 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah I'm sure this is going to be censored. SuperJack Thank you for setting up the game and running it. I enjoyed myself. Renegade As for my play, I think I did rather poorly. Help push a lynch on anti-town Zedus and then proceeded to prot a scum. Auwt I think you did really well. Look forward to playing with you more. I think you had the keenest eye on scum by far. Ash Lael You were fun to play with, totally had me duped. Great job! Well respected win for you. MartinGG99 I really respect the time and effort you put into this game. Ignore anything the griefer troll Zedus has to say. Zedus I'll never play a game with you again with your griefer town play. I hope others will speak up about your blatant anti town behavior. You do not set out to "teach town a lesson" for not going along with your goofy contrived nonsensical 'plans'. You played against town for 75% of day 1 as a townie. Worse than a troll. Dallarian deathworlds Great job! Fun to see Dallarian totally panic as soon as Auwt said Dall/Ash team was a possibility, so much so that he needed to get subbed out for 'personal' reasons, only to have his papa mentor join the game. Talk about a switcheroo! A vet into a newbie game, wow the wolf did sneak into the hen house! Oh and I loved how you two just giggled and laughed after that in your mentor chat: how dumb the poor newbie town players are! Insert laughing spaniard emoji here. Give me a break. Total bullshit. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1232] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 04:45 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well thank god Ash was scum, and DW quickly hammered. I was about to get ticked off at him. Had a whole post where I got triggered lol. See it here if you want, its not insulting I don't think: Considering we’re lining up to lynch you, if you’re town this is a game throw. I'm sorry? How's it game throw when I've already given every possible argument for myself to be town already? Excuse me? What the hell happened to my 294 other posts? If I flip town and you say I game threw, then I challenge you to report me for it. Because I can damm well tell you I gave my best. All of it for town. What about all those other effort posts? All game throw? All those spread sheets? Every consideration for every possibility? You have no right to say I game threw If I flip town. What the hell kind of argument were you expecting from me? TBH, it normally doesn't get to me, but it does for someone I've respected a lot this game (you could quite fucking plainly see that in my reads regarding you and my side note at #1158). So, I really hope you reconsider your thinking there, because that accusation is just plain baseless. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1233] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 04:46 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well thank god Ash was scum, and DW quickly hammered. I was about to get ticked off at him. Had a whole post where I got triggered lol. See it here if you want, its not insulting I don't think: I'm sorry? How's it game throw when I've already given every possible argument for myself to be town already? Excuse me? What the hell happened to my 294 other posts? If I flip town and you say I game threw, then I challenge you to report me for it. Because I can damm well tell you I gave my best. All of it for town. What about all those other effort posts? All game throw? All those spread sheets? Every consideration for every possibility? You have no right to say I game threw If I flip town. What the hell kind of argument were you expecting from me? TBH, it normally doesn't get to me, but it does for someone I've respected a lot this game (you could quite fucking plainly see that in my reads regarding you and my side note at #1158). So, I really hope you reconsider your thinking there, because that accusation is just plain baseless. But yeah im fine now knowing Ash was scum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1234] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 04:48 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Mafia. As in Ash and DW. Have won. You have all played amazing. I am legit proud of you all. You all have something to work on to improve your game. And this game will set as an example. Expect a more detailed post. Addressing each player. I will warn you now. And once. ANY Toxic, insults or attacks will see you banned. Constitution Criticism is good. But shitting on people play. ESPECIALLY in a game consisting of newbs is disgusting and immoral. Feel free to say whatever you want about me as the host though. I don't care how rude you are too me. Was that me that was shat upon? I didn't even notice if it was me. I legit got confused on citz claims, so that WAS my bad. Starting from day 1 next time I'll do better. Good to see I was right to follow bakemir as town, even if we did screw up on Auwt. GG - thanks for the xp. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1235] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 04:49 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah I'm sure this is going to be censored. SuperJack Thank you for setting up the game and running it. I enjoyed myself. Renegade As for my play, I think I did rather poorly. Help push a lynch on anti-town Zedus and then proceeded to prot a scum. Auwt I think you did really well. Look forward to playing with you more. I think you had the keenest eye on scum by far. Ash Lael You were fun to play with, totally had me duped. Great job! Well respected win for you. MartinGG99 I really respect the time and effort you put into this game. Ignore anything the griefer troll Zedus has to say. Zedus I'll never play a game with you again with your griefer town play. I hope others will speak up about your blatant anti town behavior. You do not set out to "teach town a lesson" for not going along with your goofy contrived nonsensical 'plans'. You played against town for 75% of day 1 as a townie. Worse than a troll. Dallarian deathworlds Great job! Fun to see Dallarian totally panic as soon as Auwt said Dall/Ash team was a possibility, so much so that he needed to get subbed out for 'personal' reasons, only to have his papa mentor join the game. Talk about a switcheroo! A vet into a newbie game, wow the wolf did sneak into the hen house! Oh and I loved how you two just giggled and laughed after that in your mentor chat: how dumb the poor newbie town players are! Insert laughing spaniard emoji here. Give me a break. Total bullshit. You didn't include me. I'd like to hear constructive criticism on my play if you don't mind. I want to learn. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1236] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 04:50 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Just out of curiosity who was the Town Any who became citizen? Would you happen to still know? Its not important. SuperJack -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1237] Auteur : Varcron Date : June 30th, 2020 04:51 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 In my own famous phrase "Huh?" I figured it was Martin/DW, didn't even consider Ash as scum lol. GG and WP guys Special props to Ash for pranking everyone. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1238] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 04:53 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 You didn't include me. I'd like to hear constructive criticism on my play if you don't mind. I want to learn. Hey Drizzt I think your play style was a great idea though. I think entering into the game and only reading a few pages while asking others questions gave a level of authenticity that I never could overlook. Still though, if you sub-in and don't read the whole thread, that can have its own risks and with the wrong town at the wrong time that could mean being insta-lynch, but then again im not experienced so IDK. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1239] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 04:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good game everyone, truthfully, I was super nervous going into mylo Dallarian deathworlds Great job! Fun to see Dallarian totally panic as soon as Auwt said Dall/Ash team was a possibility, so much so that he needed to get subbed out for 'personal' reasons, only to have his papa mentor join the game. Talk about a switcheroo! A vet into a newbie game, wow the wolf did sneak into the hen house! Oh and I loved how you two just giggled and laughed after that in your mentor chat: how dumb the poor newbie town players are! Insert laughing spaniard emoji here. Give me a break. Total bullshit. I'll have you know I respect every single player here, and I didn't just ask to be subbed in, it was requested of me. I'm not going to hold any punches and purposely play sub-optimally for new players, that doesn't teach anyone anything. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1240] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 30th, 2020 04:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Just so you know. As host I made a few mistake. 1)Not vetting Ash. I was getting desperate for signs and just assumed he didn't have much experience. In hindsight I should of got to know them better. 2)replacing Dall with DW. Giving the mafia two veteran players left the game heavily unbalanced. I had ran out of signs/replacements. And thought it would be unfair to bring someone in who hadnt been reading the game so I allowed dalls mentor to replace in. 3)Giving the town a detective instead of a sheriff. Sheriff was a weaker option. The next part is debatable. Its shitty of me to do this. But it's also an Important lesson to learn early. 4)having the town any roll as citizen. I will explain that in more detail later. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1241] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 30th, 2020 04:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Just out of curiosity who was the Town Any who became citizen? Would you happen to still know? Its not important. SuperJack Bakemir. Although roles where hand picked. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1242] Auteur : Varcron Date : June 30th, 2020 04:57 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good game everyone, truthfully, I was super nervous going into mylo I'll have you know I respect every single player here, and I didn't just ask to be subbed in, it was requested of me. I'm not going to hold any punches and purposely play sub-optimally for new players, that doesn't teach anyone anything. You were put in a tough situation going into when you were subbed in, but you made it work Very well played. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1243] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 04:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Martin I was super impressed by you this entire game, you brought an extraordinary amount of preparation and effort that intimidated me and dall. I would love to see you in more games and have you around to help solve them :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1244] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 05:00 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Martin I was super impressed by you this entire game, you brought an amount of preparation and effort that intimidated me and dall Well i have to admit, I got a lot of ideas or inspiration from the champs season, specifically game 6. Also Frog was my mentor and it turns out our ideas about playing FM are quite similar :D ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1245] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 05:02 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well i have to admit, I got a lot of ideas or inspiration from the champs season, specifically game 6. Also Frog was my mentor and it turns out our ideas about playing FM are quite similar :D ! Speaking of which.... SuperJack I honestly think getting Frog to be my mentor was one of the best choices you made as host. He was great! And helped me get a lot of insights about myself and the game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1246] Auteur : Varcron Date : June 30th, 2020 05:02 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Martin I was super impressed by you this entire game, you brought an extraordinary amount of preparation and effort that intimidated me and dall. I would love to see you in more games and have you around to help solve them :) ^^^^^^^^^^ His level of preparation intimidated me into believing he was to townie to be town, but I loved it anyways -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1247] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 05:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Just so you know. As host I made a few mistake. 1)Not vetting Ash. I was getting desperate for signs and just assumed he didn't have much experience. In hindsight I should of got to know them better. Huh? No you were absolutely right here. I don’t have much experience. This is the very first mafia game that I have played that someone actually won. I have previously played in two cancelled games - game 8 of champs and another one like 15 years ago. I have never been nightkilled, I have never been lynched, I have never lynched a scum. Just because I played well doesn’t make me not a noob. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1248] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 30th, 2020 05:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I was really the only one susing Ash. I was pressuring him to give more info throughout D2 but he didn't budge. If yall joined me on pressuring Ash for his power role, and not let him slip by d2 and use a vet claim (in the mod, any vet claims that show up mid to late game when no alerts happened are instant lynches), this could have been a very different game. Auwt and @Martin, you really killed it with this game! Dallarian, I knew what you were up to. I'm surprised we didn't decide on lynching your ass on D2. Ash, well played for the whole game. Even if you did seem a little scum at times, you successfully got to convince town and control them. Job well done. Zedus, love you. gg. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1249] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 05:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Huh? No you were absolutely right here. I don’t have much experience. This is the very first mafia game that I have played that someone actually won. I have previously played in two cancelled games - game 8 of champs and another one like 15 years ago. I have never been nightkilled, I have never been lynched, I have never lynched a scum. Just because I played well doesn’t make me not a noob. He only has a few games AFAIK. He even said so on the twitch streamed podcast of his champs game was his first FM game (of which previously he had only hosted games, not played them). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1250] Auteur : SuperJack Date : June 30th, 2020 05:12 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Huh? No you were absolutely right here. I don’t have much experience. This is the very first mafia game that I have played that someone actually won. I have previously played in two cancelled games - game 8 of champs and another one like 15 years ago. I have never been nightkilled, I have never been lynched, I have never lynched a scum. Just because I played well doesn’t make me not a noob. Huh. Lol. Ok then Weirdo. You sticking around? Or do we have to trick you into more bets? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1251] Auteur : Grakylan Date : June 30th, 2020 05:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 honestly tho I dont think this mafia victory was deserved. Dallarian bitched out the moment the town was forming a consensus against him to let a veteran wipe the fucking floor with us. Unfair for a noobs game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1252] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : June 30th, 2020 05:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 GG. I was surprised by some of you guys' styles and skills. Special props to MartinGG99 and bakermir. And good job to others too of course ^^ this game was very rich and of a pretty good level, even per non-newbie game standards. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1253] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 05:21 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway I want to say a few things. First, this was an absolutely exhilarating way to experience my first full, complete mafia game. Thank you so much to everyone for being a part of it. I genuinely believe that most players did a great job on the town side. Martin, I was incredibly impressed with your astounding level of Want It More, your analysis, and your work ethic. If I weren’t a wolf I would have lock town read you and never looked back. Bakemir, my read on you was legit. You were the towniest town I could imagine, to the point I couldn’t consider faking otherwise like I did with Martin. He just posted so much stuff it was easy to find one or two things to pull at. Renegade, I hoped you were a power role, but I killed you first because you scared me the most. Auwt, you were the one to see through me. Well done. Grakylan, you all but nailed the scum team at the start of d2. Hold your head high. Drizzt, your sincerity shone through your posts to a point that it was really hard to convince others to go against you, despite the perceived mechanical situation. Dallarian and DW, you guys were amazing partners and DW in particular played the harder role Under pressure. I’m so proud to share this win with you. And lastly a big thank you to SuperJack for hosting this game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1254] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 05:23 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Gg Scum team and town players. #bringbackAuwt In my own famous phrase "Huh?" I figured it was Martin/DW, didn't even consider Ash as scum lol. GG and WP guys Special props to Ash for pranking everyone. Martin I was super impressed by you this entire game, you brought an extraordinary amount of preparation and effort that intimidated me and dall. I would love to see you in more games and have you around to help solve them :) GG. I was surprised by some of you guys' styles and skills. Special props to MartinGG99 and bakermir. And good job to others too of course ^^ this game was very rich and of a pretty good level, even per non-newbie game standards. They're all here to collect meta data D= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1255] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 05:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Anyway I want to say a few things. First, this was an absolutely exhilarating way to experience my first full, complete mafia game. Thank you so much to everyone for being a part of it. I genuinely believe that most players did a great job on the town side. Martin, I was incredibly impressed with your astounding level of Want It More, your analysis, and your work ethic. If I weren’t a wolf I would have lock town read you and never looked back. Bakemir, my read on you was legit. You were the towniest town I could imagine, to the point I couldn’t consider faking otherwise like I did with Martin. He just posted so much stuff it was easy to find one or two things to pull at. Renegade, I hoped you were a power role, but I killed you first because you scared me the most. Auwt, you were the one to see through me. Well done. Grakylan, you all but nailed the scum team at the start of d2. Hold your head high. Drizzt, your sincerity shone through your posts to a point that it was really hard to convince others to go against you, despite the perceived mechanical situation. Dallarian and DW, you guys were amazing partners and DW in particular played the harder role Under pressure. I’m so proud to share this win with you. And lastly a big thank you to SuperJack for hosting this game. Thanks, any constructive criticism? Usually I do the sandwich approach. Compliment, Criticism, Compliment- but you can skip that and just tell me how I can play better :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1256] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 05:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Was that me that was shat upon? I didn't even notice if it was me. I legit got confused on citz claims, so that WAS my bad. Starting from day 1 next time I'll do better. Good to see I was right to follow bakemir as town, even if we did screw up on Auwt. GG - thanks for the xp. I really liked your style ^^ also this was my lw if anyone cares Tried my best as shittizen. There are 2 extra citizen claims. You guys know what to do. Auwt/Martin/DW/Drizzt fake shittizens!!!1 But if you still think Ash or Grak is evil, I won't stop you. The chances of Grakylan or Ash being evil is quite small. Although, in game rules Town Any could produce a citizen. In this case one of the TPR is evil. SO then you will have to make a choice between Ash/Grakylan. GOOD LUCK! I am having internet issues past 2 hours and that is the reason why I was missing near the end. Unlucky stuff. still GG to all and a big thanks to my mentor Varcron here for helping me learn some FM. I really appreciated his mentoring and totally recommend it anyone. I am also glad SJ and Dallarian invited me to this beginner game. Too bad Dallarian had to step out and we were left with uncertain. Still, can't blame SJ and Dallarian here. I believe Dallarian must have his reason and SJ tried his best to solve these issues. Another line on SJ; I believe he have done a lot to make this go smooth for all of us. Everything is well thought and he managed everything perfectly. I personally enjoyed playing a few mod games with him but I will always appreciate SJ to the moon and back, that he have shown the FM world to me and there could be no better introduction. I am glad to meet such a nice person. Really, cheers SJ! GG to everyone here. Even if you dislike me or my play, I tried my best. I love the fact that people aren't getting toxic. I would be happy to play another FM game as soon as one becomes available or I am invited to. I have no idea how it works. edit: fixing spoiler tag -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1257] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 05:27 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Martin, I was incredibly impressed with your astounding level of Want It More, your analysis, and your work ethic. If I weren’t a wolf I would have lock town read you and never looked back. Yeah well I can't get better at not giving things to pull at without experience first, so I'm quite thankful to have you here, scum or not. Some of those questions I never expected. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1258] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 05:28 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Huh. Lol. Ok then Weirdo. You sticking around? Or do we have to trick you into more bets? I’ve got some other games that I’m committed to first! I’m playing a reunion game for Game 8 right now and after that I have to do another one from another lost bet on Forum of Loathing. After that, who knows. I might need a break from mafia, it’s pretty emotionally exhausting! But a great time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1259] Auteur : naz Date : June 30th, 2020 05:29 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 ggs!! its hard to win as town;( i hope this doesn't discourage anyone from playing future games, hope to see u for instant mafia after the Magellan game :3 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1260] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 05:30 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Thanks, any constructive criticism? Usually I do the sandwich approach. Compliment, Criticism, Compliment- but you can skip that and just tell me how I can play better :) Read the thread, lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1261] Auteur : naz Date : June 30th, 2020 05:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 also SuperJack smells like spotted dick -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1262] Auteur : MartinGG99 Date : June 30th, 2020 05:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 edit: fixing spoiler tag bakermir admits to editing go get em SJ (jk) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1263] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 05:33 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Read the thread, lol. Are you saying read the whole thread next time, or that you already posted criticism in a post? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1264] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 05:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 also SuperJack smells like spotted dick I only know what that is because of Harry Potter. I still gigle inside when I hear it. Crazy Brits. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1265] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 05:35 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Thanks, any constructive criticism? Usually I do the sandwich approach. Compliment, Criticism, Compliment- but you can skip that and just tell me how I can play better :) I like to think if this was a SC2 mod game and not FM; you and Helltanis played the citizen role perfectly. I can't find any criticism to that. It seemed pretty solid to me from FM perspective but vets of FM would know better ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1266] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 05:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I like to think if this was a SC2 mod game and not FM; you and Helltanis played the citizen role perfectly. I can't find any criticism to that. It seemed pretty solid to me from FM perspective but vets of FM would know better ;) I never felt you doubted me, and by your playing I thought you WERE a vet lol. As I said, losing doesn't matter, especially if we failed as a team. Fall down, get back up. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1267] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 05:39 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Are you saying read the whole thread next time, or that you already posted criticism in a post? I mean, read what has happened before you came into the game. I found your unawareness of the situation useful, it helped me push the idea of you as a dumb wolf claiming citizen when your partner already did so. Without that, I might have had a harder time selling that there were two wolves in the citizens. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1268] Auteur : Drizzt Date : June 30th, 2020 05:44 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I mean, read what has happened before you came into the game. I found your unawareness of the situation useful, it helped me push the idea of you as a dumb wolf claiming citizen when your partner already did so. Without that, I might have had a harder time selling that there were two wolves in the citizens. Oh yea, gotcha. I'm loaded with stuff to read before Fall Semester, so I had to prioritize my reading time and given that I was a sub, I admit I was lazy. I relied heavily upon Martin's data dumps. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1269] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 05:47 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Some general advice for everyone, consider EVERY possibility, I think that's the most valuable takeaway from this game. Here's what the role list was posted as Mafia Any Mafia Any Town Any Town Any Town Any Citizen Citizen Citizen Citizen Everyone assumed the "Town Any" would be rolled as TPR, when it was entirely possible they could be rolled as citizen, hell it was entirely possible it would've been a vanilla game with just mafioso and citizens. As Mafia, Ash, dall, and I considered the possibility of splitting up our claims, so we avoid being in the same lynch box (boxing up groups of people for lynches is a totally valid thing to do btw bake). Instead of it being a 2v4, we were thinking it would be a 1v3 and a 1v3 at worst, which makes it much more difficult for town to pin down the scum. Regardless, as an experienced host on this site setup balance principles tells us that the town and the scum should have a roughly equal amount of power roles, the amount of kills that can be performed by scum should be able to be countered by town via protectives (bus drivers, escorts, doctors, etc), and the amount of investigative ability should be matched (consig, agent, framer vs detective, sheriff, lookout). Having an extra TPR would make this setup much more favorable to town. Yes this is setup/host meta, but it's a valid tool to be used by any player. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1270] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 05:50 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Finally: my plan when I fakeclaimed: I had no idea that there were only two town power roles. I was expecting to face another claim alongside Grak. My plan was, in a 3/4 split, to argue for a lynch in the power roles and to thunderdome down Grak on day 2, and then in mylo when I was facing the last PR and trying to do it again, for Dallarian to lead the charge against me by linking me to Martin. The case I had laid was that I would always come out at him hard at the start of the day and then find some reason to get off him when it came time to lynch and that I would come up with bullshit reasons to town read or scum read him at any given moment that suited me best and that we continued to always be friendly even after my very savage attacks on him. Dall would argue that this was all an elaborate distancing play from audacious wolf, as if I was lynched, I would have been proven to be. I hoped that along with Bakemir’s tunnel on Martin we could send them into the f3 and lynch Martin there if I couldn’t get the job done in the f5. Instead I got lucky. Without that luck, I think I still had a winning game plan, but I can’t complain with how it went lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1271] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 05:53 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I also considered the mass claim the best strategy for town, I saw that town was starting to come towards that conclusion with lots of time left in the day, so I decided to get ahead of it and try to claim some credibility by being the one pushing for it firstly, and secondly by pushing for a lynch in my own group. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1272] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 05:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 One final thing; I don't feel any regrets with my votes. I think it was a progressive, best case scenario for a shittizen. I just don't understand why Martin believed I could be a beguiler liek Auwt. There was a mafia kill ;/ I honestly wanted to lynch either Martin or DW and I was leaning more towards Martin simply because of Grakylan's lw I felt like I should listen to. Grakylan provided me a safe place and spoiled me greatly lol also DW's vote on him for two days in a row made me have a pause with him. I wanted to see the vote counts between Martin and DW then maybe possibly Drizzt today. I told myself to not think about Ash/Grak until it is 1v2. I was so fuckin confident we had this today. Like I was certain the evil were going to try their best but then DW gave himself away with spiderman meme pretty good. I believe this was the right strategy for me but unfortunately I lost internet at that key voting moment and expected other townies to not leave votes on people. I think that was a very wrong play from town. I could have ended up voting Martin and losing but I would feel less shitty. I could have ended up voting DW and see what happens tomorrow. damn, it feels horrible to be robbed off like this. I hope the importance of votes on lylo is not forgotten next time. I had no plans of leading the votes today and just let it happen naturally. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1273] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 05:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Like I was certain the evil were going to try their best but then DW gave himself away with spiderman meme pretty good. I believe this was the right strategy for me but unfortunately I lost internet at that key voting moment and expected other townies to not leave votes on people. I think that was a very wrong play from town. I could have ended up voting Martin and losing but I would feel less shitty. I could have ended up voting DW and see what happens tomorrow. damn, it feels horrible to be robbed off like this. I hope the importance of votes on lylo is not forgotten next time. I had no plans of leading the votes today and just let it happen naturally. To be honest I was sick of being alive at MYLO, I've been there for three games in a row, and that's all it really devolved into. I probably would have done the same thing as town. Otherwise yes, it is a disadvantageous play to stick your vote down without considering every single possibility when scum could, in theory, turbohammer. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1274] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 06:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Regardless, as an experienced host on this site setup balance principles tells us that the town and the scum should have a roughly equal amount of power roles, the amount of kills that can be performed by scum should be able to be countered by town via protectives (bus drivers, escorts, doctors, etc), and the amount of investigative ability should be matched (consig, agent, framer vs detective, sheriff, lookout). Having an extra TPR would make this setup much more favorable to town. I always considered 1 TPR being citizen but very small chances. I didn't know the setup principle would be like you describe it now. Wish I figured this out earlier tbh -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1275] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 06:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I always considered 1 TPR being citizen but very small chances. I didn't know the setup principle would be like you describe it now. Wish I figured this out earlier tbh I purposely left it out earlier when I was talking about setup balance D2, because that would've probably outed ash and that would have been disadventagous. For the sake of learning here's the post (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/22788-M-FM-Castle-Varen-the-most-balanced-game-on-site-ever?highlight=Castle+Varen) that discusses the game that is the holy grail of forum mafia -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1276] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 30th, 2020 06:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Well, it's over. Town have all chance to win. It was obvious that you need to exclude all non-voters on me from susp list (as I said, mafia will 100% vote me). Also, as I said, last one voting me will be mafia. Auwt called mafia team at the start of d2. He was strong town and all you need is just follow him ans win, but... No words. Well, my bad that I left no lw, after reading it Auwt, Grak and Barkermir probably push last one voted me (Dallarian) and probably win after. Town team, from best to worst @Auwt. MVP of this match. His conclusions were always logical and correct, he perfectly understood the game, it was obvious that he was townie.For others: If you see good player trying to lead you, just take your ego away and follow his leads next time. If there is some MVP reward, you deserved it. @Grakylan I know he is realy good player in mod, but his start was like semi-afk. He posted almost nothing, voted me in last seconds for no reason, like second scum after Dallarian. His awakening d2 makes me feel like town will win now. Idk why he didn't follow Auwt, this team probably will be stong. Well, I am happy to have this game with you. @Bakermir Smart and attentive man, but overly cautious. Well, mostly you did well, nothing to say, but town had chance to solve the game if you claimed your role d2. Anyway, you were good, and it was nice to play with you. @Drizzt haven't played with you, sorry, almost nothing to say. Looks like you are good, but continue someone's game is terrible I think. @Helltanis Did almost nothing and dissapeared. Well, nothing is still better then harm. I realy have nothing to say. @Renegade Player of that type who can't think wider and planning 1-2 speps forward. "If I don’t understand something, then this is stupid". You are wrong, but you don't accept it, that's why you are wrong twice. As result what is your contribution to the game? You lynched citizen, healed mafia and died. Very useful, lol. I agree, I don't want to play with you... in the same team ;) @MartinGG99 The Absolute Missleader of this game. Every his conclusion was a mistake. Every his lead was wrong. Well, it's okay, if that was the only problem. But second problem is enormous ovespamming with 3,4,5 missleading posts in a row. In IRL mafia there is turn order, so everyone can speak out. You give no chance for town to listen more competent, attentive and smart players, brought chaos with bad and unfounded assumptions. You pushing your erroneous point of view and you don't even try to stop, because you realy want to lead the town, no matter the cost. The cost was town losing. Hope you will learn something from this, and you will change quantity to quality, and will be fine to play with you next time. Mafia team @Ash Lael you played good and fooled town a lot, like mafia must do. Well done. But for me Auwt played better, sorry. All mafia need is follow the Ultimate Missleader, town was realy harder to play. @Dallarian well, for me your play was dirty. You made a lot of mistakes during d1 and ... just swapped yourself with your mentor. Like fight in lightweight and then exchange yourself for Mike Tyson. You don't left the game, I see, you staying in mentor chat and commenting everything happens in game, while mentor fixing your mistakes. @Deathworlds well, as I said, fixed Dallarian mistakes and helps Martin to lead town to hell. You did well, yes. But that replacement ruined the game a bit. That was frustrating. Also, thank you, SuperJack, for game. Mostly I had fun :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1277] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 06:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I purposely left it out earlier when I was talking about setup balance D2, because that would've probably outed ash and that would have been disadventagous. For the sake of learning here's the post (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/22788-M-FM-Castle-Varen-the-most-balanced-game-on-site-ever?highlight=Castle+Varen) that discusses the game that is the holy grail of forum mafia I admit, I haven't done much reading on FM. It was all YOLO based on what experience I have from mod and party games. Thanks for the link -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1278] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 30th, 2020 06:10 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ignore anti town zebus. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1279] Auteur : deathworlds Date : June 30th, 2020 06:11 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 I admit, I haven't done much reading on FM. It was all YOLO based on what experience I have from mod and party games. Thanks for the link We all start somewhere :) I hope ya stick around for some more games! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1280] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 06:15 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 We all start somewhere :) I hope ya stick around for some more games! Looking forward to them! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1281] Auteur : Zedus Date : June 30th, 2020 06:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Ignore anti town zebus. Who are you to speak about that? You can't even type 5 letters correctly, lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1282] Auteur : Renegade Date : June 30th, 2020 06:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Who are you to speak about that? You can't even type 5 letters correctly, lol. I am me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1283] Auteur : bakermir Date : June 30th, 2020 06:26 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Finally: my plan when I fakeclaimed: I had no idea that there were only two town power roles. I was expecting to face another claim alongside Grak. My plan was, in a 3/4 split, to argue for a lynch in the power roles and to thunderdome down Grak on day 2, and then in mylo when I was facing the last PR and trying to do it again, for Dallarian to lead the charge against me by linking me to Martin. The case I had laid was that I would always come out at him hard at the start of the day and then find some reason to get off him when it came time to lynch and that I would come up with bullshit reasons to town read or scum read him at any given moment that suited me best and that we continued to always be friendly even after my very savage attacks on him. Dall would argue that this was all an elaborate distancing play from audacious wolf, as if I was lynched, I would have been proven to be. I hoped that along with Bakemir’s tunnel on Martin we could send them into the f3 and lynch Martin there if I couldn’t get the job done in the f5. Instead I got lucky. Without that luck, I think I still had a winning game plan, but I can’t complain with how it went lol. I did hunt for other TPR's as soon as your claim came in. I also tried to use Grakylan's read on me and use it as a strategy Auwt described as "Putting yourself between tpr/citizen, being immune to both". My push on Grakylan prior to all of that made me look as suspicious as possible. I was half jokingly baiting scum around that time since Dallarian/Helltanis were unresponsive. When I made that post with :gun: I hoped for two scenarios; a) you are tpr and I try to protect you b) you or graky is evil and put paranoia in mafia Nobody claiming TPR made things go bleak for town and great for mafia. High risk - high reward strategy there Ash. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1284] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 06:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also the fake claim immediately ended the conversation that was revolving around suspicions about Dallarian. So it had that benefit. I knew I was better at handling pressure so I intentionally sought to bring it away from him and onto myself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1285] Auteur : Unknown1234 Date : June 30th, 2020 06:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Also the fake claim immediately ended the conversation that was revolving around suspicions about Dallarian. So it had that benefit. I knew I was better at handling pressure so I intentionally sought to bring it away from him and onto myself. Out of curiosity, what made you lean towards claiming veteran as your TPR? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1286] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 06:34 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 And yeah Bekamir you nearly did WIFOM me into killing you instead of Grak. I had to reread your posts a bunch of times to be confident in reading you as citizen rather than unclaimed power role. It was a good strategy to deal with the 2 TPR world, but you needed to project that hidden TPR thing more consistently. There were times where it was absolutely clear that you thought me and Grak were the only power roles. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1287] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 06:37 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Out of curiosity, what made you lean towards claiming veteran as your TPR? To give myself an excuse to be alive in the f3 instead of Bakemir if town was insistent on lynching DW. I was projecting I’d gone on alert and whiffed, in the f3 I’d say oh, they must have thought that was a fake out or something?” And a spent veteran is no threat anyway, unlike some other roles. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1288] Auteur : Unknown1234 Date : June 30th, 2020 06:42 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 To give myself an excuse to be alive in the f3 instead of Bakemir if town was insistent on lynching DW. I was projecting I’d gone on alert and whiffed, in the f3 I’d say oh, they must have thought that was a fake out or something?” And a spent veteran is no threat anyway, unlike some other roles. The one thing about your claim that I was hoping to see play out was why nobody had died to you in either of the first two nights. Renegade had tried to heal you n1, if you didn’t alert n1 (which wouldn’t be that surprising, although this kind of setup doesn’t last a long time) then would that have meant you alerted n2. In the case you only alerted n2, then it would have been interesting that the 2nd mafia role (the one not killing) Hadn’t interacted with you since they had no knowledge of your role. I don’t think they would have thought about a veteran existing though, since it’s the only role that really could hurt visitors. Still a good role to claim considering it doesn’t clash with too many TI or TP, and can cause just as much bad as it could good. Would have liked to see where you would have taken the claim in a situation like this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1289] Auteur : Ash Lael Date : June 30th, 2020 07:17 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Yeah if I was questioned my story was that I holstered night 1 as I thought I would either get doctored or the scum would doc-dodge me. I went on alert n2 hoping to get the power role scum if not the killer. And then I would go into speculation about what might have happened. Did they read me? Did they put a consigliere on me n1 and therefore know my role? Etc, etc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1290] Auteur : Dallarian Date : July 1st, 2020 01:01 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Let me explain why I have left the game. I took the game very seriously and it influenced me. It made me very stressed. The longer I played, the more I thought about FM, and was tired in mental way. I came to a moment where I spent hours on reading thread and couldn't get any conclusion. It also influenced my behaviour IRL, I was angry and vexed all the time. There was also more into that. Game came to the point when it literally too dangerous for me to play. My firsts thoughts about leaving the game were on EoD D1. I spoke with DW and he suggested me speaking about it with SJ. But do not worry. For mentioned reasons I am unable to play FM anymore, so we will not meet again Grakylan . I am happy SJ created situation when this happened in newbie friendly game, rather than something bigger and more serious. After I left I felt relieved from the stress and not only, so it didn't prevent me from following the game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1291] Auteur : Auwt Date : July 1st, 2020 02:38 AM Title : Re : S-FM Summer 2020 Well, gg everyone actually, I really liked playing this game with all of you. I want to make a post explaining how I saw each of you ^_^ @SuperJack - I should thank you because its was originally thank to you that I came back to this forum, I really loved being part of this game. You were a great host, and your recruitments are magical, for real xD . Thanks a lot for all your work you've put into organizing this game ! @Ash Lael - You managed to be out of the radar for most of the game, you were townread by almost everyone, thats a great game for you. I wouldnt have claimed Veteran tho, because Renegade went on you N1, and I feel like if you were really a Veteran, you would have alerted N1 because you had 50% chance of killing a Mafia when you notice an intruder. Overall you had a great game, and even though our methods might be different, I really liked playing with you. You are a good manipulative and trustful looking guy. We could have maybe won that if you were town sided actually :D. @bakermir - I guess I have to apologize because of the tunnel I did toward you : ( . I knew extra Citizen could be a thing when SJ told me, but I didnt expect him to really roll another Citizen, because that would have made the game way harder for Town, but he did :D . Anyway I'm very sorry that we misunderstood each other. At some point It was really clear for me that you could have been a Beguiler but my focus on you made Ash coast a lot D2 and I didnt even realize it through D2. Fully my bad. As a Citizen you manage to defend quite well still ! Was a nice game to play with you! @Dallarian - Its kinda sad you had to leave during the solving stage, but I understand FM is very time consumming and everyone can have their own reasons ! Had a lot of fun playing this with you. Even if you wont play FM anymore, your D1 was really clean. I had trouble either putting you on scum list because of inclusivity or town list because your posts were so well made ! Thank you for joining me in this game Dallarian. @deathworlds - The little we played together, you gave me a chance to explain myself and prepared a later hammer. Even as a late Mafia member, you managed to send me good townie vibes. I was more ready to vote Ash because of his vote decisions than yours. I believe experience was part of it, but this was a great scum sub, congrats ! @Drizzt (+ Helltanis) - I mostly townread you before (when Helltanis was in the place), you became one of the most active players to balance the early lack of content from Helltanis. I'm not blaming Helltanis at all, I just feel like Helltanis wasnt much into the game and probably got bored of playing this. In a newbie game I can really understand it. Anyway Drizzt has been a quite late sub who wasnt reading the thread until he came (DW was flying over the thread sometimes because of mentoring). Thats quite impressive and i know what I'm talking about (I was dropped in a 60 pages game as a sub scum on my first game lol). You have amazingly worked to try to make an opinion, and I hope you had fun with this 'short' game ! @Grakylan - Your town play and implication in the game were really great. I have townread you since the begining of the game, and I still believe this choice was good to make. We kept thinking alike, and by that reasons, I would have never voted you. I'm still quite sad that I made you investigate bakermir N1 because of Zedus flipping townie :( . I do not have much to say, your play were very townie like and you woke up so hardly D2. Yeah actually your D2 was very clean ! @Martin - Your maths/stat thingy in the early stage were a bit uh. But the work you made, considering the excel thing and very long posts with decisive reasoning (the ones with spoilers on each of us), the number of posts (even though some were still unecessary lol) led me to think that you were a Citizen. You have put so much work into this. Even though you didnt really spot the real Maf members, your sense of the game was incredible, this is the idea I have about a real Citizen that should look like in all fm/mod game honestly. I guess more experience will come with more FM games, still a strong first time Martin, congrats ! @Renegade - Your early plays made me think you were scum, but in the late D1, you answered each of my question will a lot of assurance, and persuasivity ! You reacted a lot to each of us. When I saw Zedus flip townie, I knew it was either you or Dallarian that would die. Funny enough I told it was a 50/50 but since Dallarian was a scum, weeeeeelll... Yeah, anyway even if you healed Ash, that wasnt a misplay. You couldnt have healed anyone in this situation since you were the target, no worries on that Renegade. Moreover because of your lw saying you were on Ash, I tend to think Ash revealing Veteran would have been seen as a scum. I swear if Ash claimed Veteran D2, I would have instantly voted him, because of Renegade's night action. I really liked the way you played this game ! @Zedus - Your D1 early game was a bit weird, but when some of us started to think about you, you managed to convince me enough not to vote you. When I realized nobody was about to defend you, I saw a powerless Citizen. Even though you claimed power, I'm still seeing this as a great play. Because of your lynch (and im very sorry I didnt make it in time in order to helping you :/ .) I started having some doubt toward Ash discrediting my vote. If you flipped scum I would have trusted Ash. But you didnt, and by that meaning, you led me to think a possible Ash scum that I explained in my 2nd post D2. Your lynch was still shameful honestly, I agree with you on that point ! Even if some players might think you did something bad claiming power, when you werent, I believe that was the right thing to do, in case you would survive to D2, luring a potential scum on you, a Consort for instance... Great game from you Zedus ! I hope I forgot noone, and with this, I also want to say, that I'm really looking forward to seeing you play more FM games ! Thanks a lot for this game, I really had fun playing this with you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1292] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : July 1st, 2020 02:58 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good Game everyone! Why did I just get thanked? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1293] Auteur : Dallarian Date : July 1st, 2020 03:18 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Good Game everyone! Why did I just get thanked? I baited you into writing in the thread to check SuperJack's reaction and be able to predict how far I can move in rulebreaking. Not really. I believe both Auwt and me (in the PM from me) have explained it. Also you have cute Probe ♥ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1294] Auteur : bakermir Date : July 1st, 2020 05:36 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SJ should get the MVP for making this happen. I don't know who else to nominate. Everyone did fine on their own imo so gj all Maybe we all play another game sometime soon FeelsBirthdayMan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1295] Auteur : Dallarian Date : July 1st, 2020 10:54 AM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 SJ should get the MVP for making this happen. I don't know who else to nominate. Everyone did fine on their own imo so gj all Maybe we all play another game sometime soon FeelsBirthdayMan Next game after Magellan is going to be Naz's one day 6vs2 I believe. 72 day time, lynch on D1 ends the game. And after that there will be probably ladder Spirits II, very cool setup I wanted to take part in, but I cannot :/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1296] Auteur : BananaCucho Date : July 4th, 2020 11:13 PM Title : Re: S-FM Summer 2020 Oh hey this ended Grats scum -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-