* * * SC2 Mafia Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Name for dialect specific words? https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49269 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Auteur : OzyWho Date : October 14th, 2021 08:01 AM Title : Name for dialect specific words? As far as I can tell, non of these apply: slang, jargon, colloquial - though their definitions seem to differ from site to site. :facepalm: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : October 14th, 2021 08:55 AM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? Dialectical. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Auteur : OzyWho Date : October 14th, 2021 09:21 AM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? Dialectical. Definitions that Google spits out: -relating to the logical discussion of ideas and opinions. -concerned with or acting through opposing forces. -discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation. Where did you get the word from? :/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : October 14th, 2021 12:28 PM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dialectical Meaning 2 is what you're looking for here. In French there are two separate words for the two meanings so it was easier :P -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Auteur : DJarJar Date : October 14th, 2021 01:23 PM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? Dialectical. never seen or heard this word used ever so meh -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : October 14th, 2021 04:14 PM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? never seen or heard this word used ever so meh It may not be terribly commonly used, but the need for it definetly exists. This thread's creation proves that point. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Auteur : HentaiManOfPeace Date : October 14th, 2021 04:32 PM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? FORMAL: lingo CASUAL: slang or -isms Take that, admins. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : October 15th, 2021 08:24 PM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? FORMAL: lingo CASUAL: slang or -isms Take that, admins. First two are 100 % wrong (check the definitions, they have nothing to do with dialects, they're about "language levels", and lingo is pretty vague and not exclusively about dialects). As for -isms, the only -ism dialect I speak is Communism. URAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Auteur : HentaiManOfPeace Date : October 15th, 2021 09:03 PM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? First two are 100 % wrong (check the definitions, they have nothing to do with dialects, they're about "language levels", and lingo is pretty vague and not exclusively about dialects). As for -isms, the only -ism dialect I speak is Communism. URAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Looks like your linguistic skills are as good as you administrate. https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/lingo?q=lingo (especially North American English) expressions used by a particular group of people https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/slang?q=slang very informal words and expressions that are more common in spoken language, especially used by a particular group of people, for example, children, criminals, soldiers, etc. Group of people can form their own dialect, especially if they've got remnants of their original language influencing those mouth movements. If you walked around using 'dialectical' in everyday sentences, it's not just pedantic for people trying to learn the nuances of English, but I would also find it extremely pompous -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : October 16th, 2021 08:45 AM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? I don't believe you have a reason to attempt to insult me? :ban: Dialect (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dialect): a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation from other regional varieties and constituting together with them a single language I think that makes sense, right? Unless ozy was asking about meaning 1c, which is rarer afaik (and I'm not sure why he'd ask xD): a variety of a language used by the members of a group in which case you'd be right. But since he already said "slang" and "jargon" didn't fit, I have doubts. And yes ozy, I am absolutely weaponizing your posts in a petty argument that is probably not honest just because I feel like it :calix: Also, technical vocabulary isn't pedantic, it's... technical. It's not meant to be used in "everyday sentences", unless your everyday talks are about regional language varieties or about philosophy (in which case your everyday talks are very interesting!). It's meant to express ideas more accurately than everyday language. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Auteur : Oberon Date : October 16th, 2021 04:35 PM Title : Re: Name for dialect specific words? dialectal. also, dialects do not necessarily have to do with 'mouth movements'. nor with their 'previous language'. languages change even in isolation (albeit more slowly). Modern Icelandic is virtually unintelligible to Old Icelandic speakers from the 11th century due to massive differences in pronunciation (even though the grammar/syntax/spelling are almost unchanged). the idea you are positing is known as a 'substrate'. its basically influences from a previous lower-ranking (socially-speaking) language creeping in. you have this with French and Gaulish. but it is not necessary for dialectal variation. there are many, many different dialects in the Netherlands for instance, or in Britain (better example), many with limited mutual intelligibility, and they have little to do with any difference in foreign influence. also, it is possible for a word to be dialectal and yet high-register at the same time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-