* * * SC2 Mafia Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : what's with the extreme redundancy? https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47823 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 06:50 AM Title : what's with the extreme redundancy? we have a forum with, what? 14 active users at most? we have a forum mafia section where 12-player games can take up to a month to fill? and we have a forum mafia HEAD ADMINISTRATOR who oversees... a forum mafia administrator? is the workload of a game a month too much to manage? lmfao this shit is literally a bunch of ppl standing in a circlejerk handing eachother medals and congratulating eachother 2761627617 some threads, literally a quarter to half of the replies are red or staff. we have more staff than regular users and yall really cant figure out why this site is dying? we have more staff NOW than we had when this website had 50 active users. LOL jesus christ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 06:54 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? mm literally calls himself the head forum mafia admin theres ONE person on the ENTIRE STAFF who is fm dedicated and its deathworlds a position mm made like what the fuck seriously what the fuck -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Auteur : yzb25 Date : November 29th, 2020 09:10 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? okay now you're just bitching about the good old days. This site has been on the verge of death for like half a decade. The only two reasons the site has lasted this long are SJ and MM. MM has done a craptonne for the site. You went AWOL for ages and missed it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : November 29th, 2020 09:24 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? Copypasting from another post of mine: we have 3 FM staff members (myself included). The rest are on the Arcade side of things. That is not more than before: back when I joined, when we had a hard time filling 13Ps, there was Mesk514 as Head of FM, and Deathworlds + RLVG as FM Moderators (and actually I forgot about Iced_Monopoly, so that makes 4 in total); the amount of FM staff has actually always been around 3 in history, if I'm not mistaken. Also, "administrator" means you can do administrative things, like playing with sections (it's a permission thing). Head of FM means I lead the FM section. Another also, all of AIVION, Deathworlds and myself are FM-dedicated. And I didn't "make" any position lol, experienced FM moderators have historically had access to admin powers (either directly or through the FMGM account). I welcome civil constructive criticism (which the recent threads about "moderation" and "staff being anon in games" have mostly been, by the way), but this thread is full of things that are literally verifiably false. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 09:37 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? Copypasting from another post of mine: we have 3 FM staff members (myself included). The rest are on the Arcade side of things. That is not more than before: back when I joined, when we had a hard time filling 13Ps, there was Mesk514 as Head of FM, and Deathworlds + RLVG as FM Moderators (and actually I forgot about Iced_Monopoly, so that makes 4 in total); the amount of FM staff has actually always been around 3 in history, if I'm not mistaken. Also, "administrator" means you can do administrative things, like playing with sections (it's a permission thing). Head of FM means I lead the FM section. Another also, all of AIVION, Deathworlds and myself are FM-dedicated. And I didn't "make" any position lol, experienced FM moderators have historically had access to admin powers (either directly or through the FMGM account). I welcome civil constructive criticism (which the recent threads about "moderation" and "staff being anon in games" have mostly been, by the way), but this thread is full of things that are literally verifiably false. sorry but i've got 5 years on you. you joined when we stopped doing full forum mafia. you have zero firsthand experience of the site, and nothing i've said is verifiably false. seems a bit like you're trying to turn this site into a mu clone or some other site u never made staff on, and now ur enforcing rules that work on sites like that, and ur just alienating the preexisting community. im quite aware of the difference between administrator roles. we used to have that many fm mods... when we had 30+ player games. now it takes nearly a month to fill a 12 player game. grasping at straws to insist on ur own relevance sad! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 09:38 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? okay now you're just bitching about the good old days. This site has been on the verge of death for like half a decade. The only two reasons the site has lasted this long are SJ and MM. MM has done a craptonne for the site. You went AWOL for ages and missed it. lmao. what has marshmallow done singlehandedly that's extended the longevity of the site. lmk other than banning people from hosting when we've got a very short list of capable hosts as is, i mean. but id say thats more exacerbating the death of the site rather than extending its life. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 09:39 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? also neither of you cared to challenge the fact more active members are staff than regular users. a top heavy hierarchy is retarded -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : November 29th, 2020 09:43 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? sorry but i've got 5 years on you. you joined when we stopped doing full forum mafia. you have zero firsthand experience of the site, and nothing i've said is verifiably false. seems a bit like you're trying to turn this site into a mu clone or some other site u never made staff on, and now ur enforcing rules that work on sites like that, and ur just alienating the preexisting community. im quite aware of the difference between administrator roles. we used to have that many fm mods... when we had 30+ player games. now it takes nearly a month to fill a 12 player game. grasping at straws to insist on ur own relevance sad! Lol. I will not engage in shit-throwing with you, sorry :P People can fact-check for themselves. "More staff than when we had 50 users" - no "more active people in staff than not in staff" - no (auwt oberon dark-magician zedus renegade bananacucho bakermir martingg99 frostbyte, all non-staff and there are more, check the archive (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/forumdisplay.php/295-Archived-S-FMs)) insults - seriously? Come on. I'm gonna stop there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 09:44 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? Lol. I will not engage in shit-throwing with you, sorry :P sounds kind of like you've got no actual argument, but okay. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 09:45 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? "my role is necessary.. but im not going to explain why. just totally trust me, site definitely isnt top heavy in staff. its absolutely necessary that 10 of 15 consistent users are staff" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 09:48 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? from what i see, to keep "personal bias" out of rulings, it seems you only needed deathworlds as fm staff so you could play sfms without people saying accusing you of being biased. but why even be staff at that point if you need a stand-in to do your job for you so you can play? sounds like you could just retire and play and nothing at all would change. but gotta keep that epeen going. eziest way into a chicks pants at the bar is telling her you're one of 10 admins on a website of 15 ppl lmao -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : November 29th, 2020 09:51 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? eziest way into a chicks pants at the bar is telling her you're one of 10 admins on a website of 15 ppl lmao Exactly. Going off lol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 09:53 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? Exactly. Going off lol. so you read the entire post, and instead of rebutting to the substantial bit, you made the effort to reply to the obviously humorous bit i placed at the end. kind of pathetic honestly. you legitimately have no reason why you need to be staff if you need a staff position to do your job for you so that you can participate in games -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Auteur : Oberon Date : November 29th, 2020 10:37 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? lmao. what has marshmallow done singlehandedly that's extended the longevity of the site. lmk other than banning people from hosting when we've got a very short list of capable hosts as is, i mean. but id say thats more exacerbating the death of the site rather than extending its life.hes actually not wrong... but in a way neither are you :P -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Auteur : Voss Date : November 29th, 2020 11:12 AM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? MM singlehandedly kept the FM side alive of sc2mafia when it went through one of it's worst spells. Since then he has since delegated some of that responsibility to other people, a good thing too since I always worry about him burning out. He is one of the most respected current staff in my eyes, and probably a lot of others. I find it astounding that he cares so much for the site, despite the fact that people shit on him for assuming that he has the worst intentions. He doesn't. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Auteur : Stealthbomber16 Date : November 29th, 2020 02:29 PM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? There's a simple way to fix this. Give Bruno a colored name and laugh at him next time he tries to diss people with colored names. 4Head -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 02:33 PM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? There's a simple way to fix this. Give Bruno a colored name and laugh at him next time he tries to diss people with colored names. 4Head you can change your usergroup. i wouldn't play with a colored name. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Auteur : Stealthbomber16 Date : November 29th, 2020 03:25 PM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? you can change your usergroup. i wouldn't play with a colored name. what if we made a usergroup that restricted your ability to change your usergroup -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Auteur : Bruno Date : November 29th, 2020 03:47 PM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? what if we made a usergroup that restricted your ability to change your usergroup then id make a smurf lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Auteur : yzb25 Date : November 29th, 2020 04:21 PM Title : Re: what's with the extreme redundancy? then id make a smurf lol the only reason you wouldn't want a red name this badly is if you secretly really wanted it logic says so -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-