Blackmailed people communicate too easily

[evander]

A blackmailed investigator should not be able to spam a vote on someone he finds as mafia. That is communicating and defeats the purpose of the blackmailer. Nor should he be able to spam up and down the list to identify that he is blackmailed. Again, that is a form of communication.

[Randoman]

+1 Disable voting for BM'ed people for that day

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

u relize any1 can do this RITE? ITS UR DUMAZZ FAULT FOR BELIEVENG THAT some1 just spamming votes must be blackmaled. DO U KNO HOW MANY GAMES I HAV WON AS BLACKMAILER BY JUST NOT BLACKMAILING SOMEONE AND CLAIMING BLACKMALED BY SPAM VOTING?

ITS LIKE THE EZEST WIN CUZ SCRUBS LYK U R LIKE O HE WAS BLACKMALED HE CANT BE MAFIA. HE MUST BE INNO. LETS GO LYNCH THIS GUI THAT SPOKE FIRST.

[evander]

u relize any1 can do this RITE? ITS UR DUMAZZ FAULT FOR BELIEVENG THAT some1 just spamming votes must be blackmaled. DO U KNO HOW MANY GAMES I HAV WON AS BLACKMAILER BY JUST NOT BLACKMAILING SOMEONE AND CLAIMING BLACKMALED BY SPAM VOTING?

ITS LIKE THE EZEST WIN CUZ SCRUBS LYK U R LIKE O HE WAS BLACKMALED HE CANT BE MAFIA. HE MUST BE INNO. LETS GO LYNCH THIS GUI THAT SPOKE FIRST.

In the last game played, I was on the mafia team and the person we each knew was blackmailed was spamming votes..so yea.

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

In the last game played, I was on the mafia team and the person we each knew was blackmailed was spamming votes..so yea.

wut is reading comprhension

UR THE PROBLIM CUZ U ARE 1 OF MANY THA TTHINK SUM1 SPAMMING VOTES MEANS THEY R BLACKMALED.
IF U WERE PRO BLACKMALER U WOOD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF NOOBS LYK THIS

[evander]

troll confirmed

[EliteMarine]

I agree with original poster. While anyone can do this, it is most obvious when the Sheriff is active in chat and even suceeds in lynching a mafia then one day he is quiet but starts to spam vote.

Many times as town I see this and I vote with the sheriff just becuase it pretty safe to say he has a solid lead.

But yes, anyone can in a sense can spam vote to show that they are blackmailed, its another when it s a confirmed detection role.

[Blazer]

anyone can do it and fake BMed....BMer can fake BMed....we have discussed this over and over again. No one has ever confirmed or denied the implementation of this idea, but it has been suggested. Those with the proper permissions can find it in the R&D department. I suppose it's because no one cares too much since anyone can fake BMed. It wouldn't be bad as an option though. To keep the BMed person from voting that is...

[Kovath]

Or the time I was spy and claimed sheriff, then got blackmailed and once I found out the identity of all 3 mafia from their chat, I spammed votes on them but got completely ignored?

Ya, BM is not underpowered.

[Blazer]

Or the time I was spy and claimed sheriff, then got blackmailed and once I found out the identity of all 3 mafia from their chat, I spammed votes on them but got completely ignored?

Ya, BM is not underpowered.
that story made me lol.

[Kovath]

that story made me lol.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

[Blazer]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

<3 Stay on topic plz

[Kovath]

But yeah, blackmailers are fine as they are. It really depends on the townies and the WIFOM capabilities of both sides.

In fact, I believe the BM is stronger than roles like framer and maybe even consigliere. People just underestimate it because the benefits aren't immediately noticeable. Instead of INCREASING the capabilities of the mafia through consig results or framing, it severely DECREASES the town's abilities with a similar net result.

[Xen]

u relize any1 can do this RITE? ITS UR DUMAZZ FAULT FOR BELIEVENG THAT some1 just spamming votes must be blackmaled. DO U KNO HOW MANY GAMES I HAV WON AS BLACKMAILER BY JUST NOT BLACKMAILING SOMEONE AND CLAIMING BLACKMALED BY SPAM VOTING?

ITS LIKE THE EZEST WIN CUZ SCRUBS LYK U R LIKE O HE WAS BLACKMALED HE CANT BE MAFIA. HE MUST BE INNO. LETS GO LYNCH THIS GUI THAT SPOKE FIRST.

ahhaaha, burnt such a troll...

However, he speaks the truth. -1 to this. The entire game can do this. Disguiser or Janitor is more powerful than Blackmailer; don't need an Adv. Mafia less powerful than these two to be nerfed.

[evander]

the essence of the argument is it is a form of communication and renders the turn of the blackmailer that night useless. it is a gaping loophole.

if it is a confirmed inv or sheriff that votes on and off one person the town will be inclined to vote with them.

Even letting people know you are blackmailed by spamming down the list of names is a spinoff technique to divert or increase attention from a character caused by a faulty game mechanic. As a purist when you think that you will silence someone as the game claims, they will indeed for that turn at least be completely silent.

[creedkingsx]

There are 7 people remaining in the game.
All the mafia have been revealed at this point, but Sk and other neutrals were decided for higher priority.
Town is left with only non-kill roles.
Day comes up, town needs 4 votes to lynch, just the number they have.
Blackmail one, that person can't vote.
Mafia just won while being outnumbered.

[Bruno]

that story made me lol.

Lol I did too.

[Bruno]

troll confirmed

You're the only troll around here, homosexual.

[Xen]

There are 7 people remaining in the game.
All the mafia have been revealed at this point, but Sk and other neutrals were decided for higher priority.
Town is left with only non-kill roles.
Day comes up, town needs 4 votes to lynch, just the number they have.
Blackmail one, that person can't vote.
Mafia just won while being outnumbered.

And the most obvious reason to not add this option has been stated.

[evander]

they can still vote, just not in a visible 'look at who im pointing at' kind of way.

1 vote cap would fix that issue, make it count or completely hidden until the majority is found.

[EliteMarine]

Two very understandable sides imo.

Creed's point makes logical sense. Evander's does as well.

I think at this point, there is no true way to fix it without breaking the balance.

But this is a PERFECT exmaple as to why I use ballot voting. Random votes and spam voters will create no impact on everyone elses votes. So the person who is BMed can't spam one person in vote. Ballot voting fixes this easily.

[RookRanger]

murphy law
•It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious
•Every solution breeds new problems
•By fixing several problems you will break the first solution for the first problem when you try to make a solution for the fifth problem

[Blazer]

Or just leave it the way it is and go with it

[Menautor]

I agree with this. Someone blackmailed should not even be able to vote. Seems to me that the person who is blackmailed shouldn't be able to talk at all, and if he did instead of being blocked, he could risk to be an extra hit victim from the mob. This would make a real threat to the person blackmailed. I,m not sure what the real solution is but there is certainly something to be ameliorated about this character.


A blackmailed investigator should not be able to spam a vote on someone he finds as mafia. That is communicating and defeats the purpose of the blackmailer. Nor should he be able to spam up and down the list to identify that he is blackmailed. Again, that is a form of communication.

[EliteMarine]

The more I have thought about this, I think it reasonable that the blackmailer should prevent voting. As mentioned the role is designed to prevent communication. This is purposely done usually to prevent an investiagtive role from outing any mafia, thus should include voting as well. If it is 4 town vs 3 mafia and someone is blackmailed, then tough luck town. Besides, I have rarely seen 7 people in town and all of a sudden all for town knows all 3 mafia. That is my new stance on the topic.

[creedkingsx]

they can still vote, just not in a visible 'look at who im pointing at' kind of way.

1 vote cap would fix that issue, make it count or completely hidden until the majority is found.

What if they mis-click? technical error game-throwing.


Two very understandable sides imo.

Creed's point makes logical sense. Evander's does as well.

I think at this point, there is no true way to fix it without breaking the balance.

But this is a PERFECT exmaple as to why I use ballot voting. Random votes and spam voters will create no impact on everyone elses votes. So the person who is BMed can't spam one person in vote. Ballot voting fixes this easily.

This is probably the best solution, and the easiest. Just make it Secret Ballot. The benefits of Secret Ballot are really good. Pubs just hate not being able to random lynch train to victory.

[creedkingsx]

The more I have thought about this, I think it reasonable that the blackmailer should prevent voting. As mentioned the role is designed to prevent communication. This is purposely done usually to prevent an investiagtive role from outing any mafia, thus should include voting as well. If it is 4 town vs 3 mafia and someone is blackmailed, then tough luck town. Besides, I have rarely seen 7 people in town and all of a sudden all for town knows all 3 mafia. That is my new stance on the topic.

Same situation can be made on a smaller, more probable scale.
2v3 situation
Mafioso and blackmailer v idk, lookout, sheriff, anything non-killing.
It is a literal strategy-less free win.

[Menautor]

I don't know, it does give the BM more power and if that's the way the cookie crumbles... so be it,


Same situation can be made on a smaller, more probable scale.
2v3 situation
Mafioso and blackmailer v idk, lookout, sheriff, anything non-killing.
It is a literal strategy-less free win.

[EliteMarine]

I don't know, it does give the BM more power and if that's the way the cookie crumbles... so be it,


Yeah, I am kind of the same way.

I definitely understand where you are coming from creed, I really do. However, I just look at it as a strong point for the BM role.

The disguiser can be used similarly in the same circumstance. 4 town vs 2 mafia and the Godfather makes a kill as well as the disguiser and you have instantly created a 2v2.

The blackmailer, just like situation I provided above, doesn't even get this kind of bonus until very late game. So if the BM lives that long, that's kinda the perks of the role at that point.

[EliteMarine]

Not to double post, but I found this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)#Optional_roles

Handicapper roles—Silencer, Dentist, etc.
The Dentist may select any other player at night, and remove all of their teeth to prevent them speaking during the following day.[32] The Silencer is a mafioso with the identical power, except that they may not silence the same player on successive days. The silenced individual wakes in the morning and is immediately instructed not to talk until the end of the day. They can still raise their hand to vote in live games, but being silenced in online games typically prevents any postings, including that needed to vote.[56]

I think...we have a winner?

[Azuriae]

I think BM is already strong enough as it is.
How about BM'd indivisuals get a limit of one vote per 15-20 seconds?

[Cryptonic]

Not to double post, but I found this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)#Optional_roles


I think...we have a winner?

So, you think that just because something is done one way, that's the best way to do it?
:p

[EliteMarine]

So, you think that just because something is done one way, that's the best way to do it?
:p

Not neccesarily, but from that source it seems like they way the rule was written.

It may not be the best way, but given the current topic, I thought it was worth a look.

[Bruno]

BM with vote preventing is fucking stupid. Why? See the reason Creed brought up.

[Beerwolf]

u relize any1 can do this RITE? ITS UR DUMAZZ FAULT FOR BELIEVENG THAT some1 just spamming votes must be blackmaled. DO U KNO HOW MANY GAMES I HAV WON AS BLACKMAILER BY JUST NOT BLACKMAILING SOMEONE AND CLAIMING BLACKMALED BY SPAM VOTING?

ITS LIKE THE EZEST WIN CUZ SCRUBS LYK U R LIKE O HE WAS BLACKMALED HE CANT BE MAFIA. HE MUST BE INNO. LETS GO LYNCH THIS GUI THAT SPOKE FIRST.

Oh shut the hell up, you using this 'tactic' is only a by product with the issue of what the OP said, to whom I agree with.

BM'd targets shouldn't be able to vote, or unable to spam their votes... i.e. - Have them unable to change their vote once they vote someone, or make their votes unseen... like having a ballot style for the BM'd target.

e.g. "[BM'd] has cast a vote."
"[Name2] has voted on [Name3]"
"[Name3] has voted on [Name2]"

etc.

[Bruno]

Oh shut the hell up, you using this 'tactic' is only a by product with the issue of what the OP said, to whom I agree with.

BM'd targets shouldn't be able to vote, or unable to spam their votes... i.e. - Have them unable to change their vote once they vote someone.

Kill yaself.

[Beerwolf]

Kill yaself.

After you.

[MissingNo]

Burn is right (albeit rude).
Creed is right.
BM is strong enough.


Yeah, I am kind of the same way.

I definitely understand where you are coming from creed, I really do. However, I just look at it as a strong point for the BM role.

The disguiser can be used similarly in the same circumstance. 4 town vs 2 mafia and the Godfather makes a kill as well as the disguiser and you have instantly created a 2v2.

The blackmailer, just like situation I provided above, doesn't even get this kind of bonus until very late game. So if the BM lives that long, that's kinda the perks of the role at that point.

Really? BM can silence someone all game whereas the disguiser did nothing but sit there.


Silencing is far more useful than you give it credit for. If a confirmed and silenced sheriff finds something at night then votes them the next day, it is also easy for the town to lynch townies. Witch, framer, bus, etc could all cause them to lynch a town whereas if they wern't silenced then it would be pretty easy to discuss and figure out if they were actually clean. [Especially if a bus driver bussed himself with a maf. Then, he wouldnt be able to say it and the bussed maf would surely stay silent].

And as far as investigators go, they generally need to announce their findings in order to deduce if the target is maf. If they find someone has weapons, then you need to determine who is jailor or vigi before you know they are a mafioso. Quite difficult to do if ur silenced.

[EliteMarine]

Burn is right (albeit rude).
Creed is right.
BM is strong enough.



Really? BM can silence someone all game whereas the disguiser did nothing but sit there.


Silencing is far more useful than you give it credit for. If a confirmed and silenced sheriff finds something at night then votes them the next day, it is also easy for the town to lynch townies. Witch, framer, bus, etc could all cause them to lynch a town whereas if they wern't silenced then it would be pretty easy to discuss and figure out if they were actually clean. [Especially if a bus driver bussed himself with a maf. Then, he wouldnt be able to say it and the bussed maf would surely stay silent].

And as far as investigators go, they generally need to announce their findings in order to deduce if the target is maf. If they find someone has weapons, then you need to determine who is jailor or vigi before you know they are a mafioso. Quite difficult to do if ur silenced.

No, I think you may of misunderstood me. :)

In my above post, I am just referring to late game play. I understand the power that the blackmailer has already. I am just talking about from a numbers aspect during the final 2 or 3 nights when numbers for voting become critical.

I am just comparing how that shapes out is similar to if a disguiser was to survive to that point.

4 Town vs. 2 Mafia. If both Godfather and Diguiser made a play, then you would have a 2vs2. Mafia has numbers.

4 Town vs. 2 Mafua. If Godfather killed and Blackmailer blackmails, then you are also at a 2vs. Mafia has numbers.

I was just mentioning that by giving the blackmailer the ability to have his target not to vote would only truly affect late game. Town can still have vote power prior to.

I was just comparing the two roles and how the Blackmailer wouldn't be the only role to settle a late game vote in mafia's favor.

[Kovath]

No, I think you may of misunderstood me. :)

In my above post, I am just referring to late game play. I understand the power that the blackmailer has already. I am just talking about from a numbers aspect during the final 2 or 3 nights when numbers for voting become critical.

I am just comparing how that shapes out is similar to if a disguiser was to survive to that point.

4 Town vs. 2 Mafia. If both Godfather and Diguiser made a play, then you would have a 2vs2. Mafia has numbers.

4 Town vs. 2 Mafua. If Godfather killed and Blackmailer blackmails, then you are also at a 2vs. Mafia has numbers.

I was just mentioning that by giving the blackmailer the ability to have his target not to vote would only truly affect late game. Town can still have vote power prior to.

I was just comparing the two roles and how the Blackmailer wouldn't be the only role to settle a late game vote in mafia's favor.

#1 How many disguisers save their kill until late game? That's at least 3-5 nights of a useless mafia role, compared to the actual usefulness of a good blackmailer.

#2 Every extra day of town voting power is essential. As it stands, the game is relatively balanced. The Blackmailer prevents town PRs from revealing their info/making some townies untrustworthy. If you make the BM take away a vote, that means once less day of town voting majority. Why are you buffing mafia when the game is already balanced...

#3 Afk townies. Dumb pubbies. You think that one vote will only swing late game? If you blackmail a proactive townie, then that vote could swing into a failed lynch on mafia even in the early/mid game. Don't make assumptions about the intelligence and involvement of pubbies.

Conclusion: do not buff BM. My experience with it, is that it is pretty strong anyway.

[creedkingsx]

No, I think you may of misunderstood me. :)

In my above post, I am just referring to late game play. I understand the power that the blackmailer has already. I am just talking about from a numbers aspect during the final 2 or 3 nights when numbers for voting become critical.

I am just comparing how that shapes out is similar to if a disguiser was to survive to that point.

4 Town vs. 2 Mafia. If both Godfather and Diguiser made a play, then you would have a 2vs2. Mafia has numbers.

4 Town vs. 2 Mafua. If Godfather killed and Blackmailer blackmails, then you are also at a 2vs. Mafia has numbers.

I was just mentioning that by giving the blackmailer the ability to have his target not to vote would only truly affect late game. Town can still have vote power prior to.

I was just comparing the two roles and how the Blackmailer wouldn't be the only role to settle a late game vote in mafia's favor.

Disguiser is strongest in the late game. Has literally no use anywhere else in the game.
Blackmailer is really strong in the early game. Adding this would be like making marines have an upgrade that doubles their armor for 200 minerals. It would make Blackmailer too good throughout the entire game. If the Mafia plays well, and utilizes the Blackmailer well, it should push them through to the end game where more strategic thought can make a victory.

To relate your Disguiser example:
This would make mafia win in a 6v3. 2 kills at night, blackmail a third, no vote in the morning, mafia just won when their were double the town.


Also, as of current, spamming can cause harm to the town.
>Investigator find, "Your target appears to be a Citizen but may be something more sinister."
>Blackmailed
>Spam votes on that person
>flip Jester.

[EliteMarine]

Disguiser is strongest in the late game. Has literally no use anywhere else in the game.
Blackmailer is really strong in the early game. Adding this would be like making marines have an upgrade that doubles their armor for 200 minerals. It would make Blackmailer too good throughout the entire game. If the Mafia plays well, and utilizes the Blackmailer well, it should push them through to the end game where more strategic thought can make a victory.

To relate your Disguiser example:
This would make mafia win in a 6v3. 2 kills at night, blackmail a third, no vote in the morning, mafia just won when their were double the town.


Also, as of current, spamming can cause harm to the town.
>Investigator find, "Your target appears to be a Citizen but may be something more sinister."
>Blackmailed
>Spam votes on that person
>flip Jester.

Yeah, hopefully no one would be cruel enough to have both of them defined. However, that is to also assume that all roles left are town. SKs, Arsons, and Jesters can still have an impact on mafia, but that is another story. I see what you mean, but I will say that the ability to spam votes as a mafia well works against the blackmailer's ability. What good is it to shut the sheriff up if he spams the mafias name during the voting period. I would follow is vote everytime. It just cries "I AM BLACKMAILED, BUT NO WORRIES, I HAVE FOUND YOUR MAFIA!" Especially when the sheriff is confirmed.

However, for the time being I just recommend ballot voting. It is just a better voting system anyways. More skill in my opinion.

[Kovath]

Yeah, hopefully no one would be cruel enough to have both of them defined. However, that is to also assume that all roles left are town. SKs, Arsons, and Jesters can still have an impact on mafia, but that is another story. I see what you mean, but I will say that the ability to spam votes as a mafia well works against the blackmailer's ability. What good is it to shut the sheriff up if he spams the mafias name during the voting period. I would follow is vote everytime. It just cries "I AM BLACKMAILED, BUT NO WORRIES, I HAVE FOUND YOUR MAFIA!" Especially when the sheriff is confirmed.

However, for the time being I just recommend ballot voting. It is just a better voting system anyways. More skill in my opinion.

The one thing I don't like about ballot voting is when everyone has like 2 votes but one townie has 3 votes or something (perhaps from the mafia bloc), and gets put on stand. imo there must be an actual "majority" of sorts for someone to be put on trial so that the mafia/cult blocs have less power.

[EliteMarine]

I know what you mean.

I see it from two different angles.

One, I look at it similarly to real life. If there ever was an election, just becuase 50% of the nation did not vote at all, they will still look at the majority who did and elect the won who had the most votes.

Plus there are game where people simply flat out don't vote or are simply being idiots. If there is 10 people in town and someone shouts out mafia (lets say its ther sheriff) and once the ballots have been counted, and you get 4 for red (the accused) and 2 for player X and 1 for player Y. I think it is fair that he is tried becuase of the 6 that did vote. 4 said he should be tried and that is a majority.

Every play a game where obvious sheriff outs mafia and 8 votes are require and town gets 7 votes and only one is needed and non of the other townies vote? (And yes, there are more townies!) Done. Ever have a key players go afk and cannot vote? Done.

With ballot, it does require more communication, more skill, more of a chance to catch liars, and it actually makes voting suspenseful. (And mafia should be suspenseful). You see votes coming in and no one know who until they are counted.

Also, you don't get the quiet day with no leads and the some random player randomly votes up someone, and everyone is like, okay I will vote with him and slowly but surely everyone votes him.

With Ballot, you either have an opinion or sit down and shut up and let those who wish to vote get some kind of say so in the game and not be held back by those who choose to never vote.

Sorry...longer post than expected.

[evander]

4413

this is from a game I'm currently playing as I type this. It shouldn't happen.

[creedkingsx]

4413

this is from a game I'm currently playing as I type this. It shouldn't happen.

To be fair, "Andrew" had a horrible defense.

[evander]

That's beside the point, oj was confirmed sheriff from an earlier lynching and he is easily getting around being silenced.

[creedkingsx]

That's beside the point, oj was confirmed sheriff from an earlier lynching and he is easily getting around being silenced.

Take it from the other viewpoint.
Imagine that sheriff, he gets his lead.
Mafia blackmails him 5 nights in a row.
Then kills him.
How fun is that?

[evander]

Unfortunately that's the point of bmer. The sheriff could die n1, sometimes the game is an in and out experience.

[EliteMarine]

4413

this is from a game I'm currently playing as I type this. It shouldn't happen.

Yeah that's kinda the idea and what I would like to avoid. This renders blackmailers role to near useless when stuff like this happens. Blackmailing known town role can lead to this very thing if you have a semi-smart town. As I said before I would follow that sheriff's lead everytime.

Nice exmaple Evander.

[EliteMarine]

Take it from the other viewpoint.
Imagine that sheriff, he gets his lead.
Mafia blackmails him 5 nights in a row.
Then kills him.
How fun is that?


Unfortunately that's the point of bmer. The sheriff could die n1, sometimes the game is an in and out experience.

I have to agree with evander.

There are ways around it though. Town just needs to find blackmailer...or utilize the bus driver to swap the sheriff with another person which would allow him to speak. Invest can always try to locate the BM. Jailor can maybe jail the possible BM or send in the Escort to try to find him. Lookut can sit on his house and sees who visits, or maybe detective so do some good guessing. Town has a few ways of combating this.

[creedkingsx]

I have to agree with Vander.

There are ways around it though. Town just needs to find blackmailer...or utilize the bus driver to swap the sheriff with another person which would allow him to speak. Invest can always try to locate the BM. Jailor can maybe jail the possible BM or send in the Escort to try to find him. Town has a few ways of combating this.

There is no way for a Bus Driver to know the Sheriff is blackmailed. Just would get assumed he is AFK and get annoyed at him.

[Bruno]

PUGs are so stupid.

[EliteMarine]

There is no way for a Bus Driver to know the Sheriff is blackmailed. Just would get assumed he is AFK and get annoyed at him.

Yeah perhaps. I am just thinking too hard. You know, if Sheriff talks every day and even lynches mafia then goes eerily silent. There is true penalty for attempting a swap with sheriff unless you swap with someone who get attacked and instead kills sheriff.

I mean this is only is BD is strangely observant. :p

[Xen]

ahhahaha, Bruno's sig

Anyway, these are a lot of words for a simple matter.

Let me break this down:

If you think the Blackmailer should stay the same, you're smart and know how to play Mafia.

If you think the Blackmailer should be able to prevent the victim's voting, you're a piece of shit faggot geek idiot l2p ez pwned nub.

[EliteMarine]

Not true at all.

These are just suggestions so that players can't backdoor their way from a mafia's ability. I can ensure you I know how to play the game. You just saw a perfect example from the post by evander. That is clearly overriding the Blackmailer's ability. What good is the Blackmailer when the blackmailed can still communicate to the town via vote?

[WhackedMaki]

What if the BM'd person was only able to put the final vote in on somebody? That way, they can't spam vote someone, but if they think someone is likely Mafia, and they get all but that one vote... Then the sheriff/invest/whatever can vote them up to trial. I don't really like ballot because the town always goes Full Retard at the end and can't all vote one person while the mafia do, causing town to lose.
Either that, or the person is able to vote as normal, but nobody can see that they have voted, or that someone has a vote on them.

[EliteMarine]

What if the BM'd person was only able to put the final vote in on somebody? That way, they can't spam vote someone, but if they think someone is likely Mafia, and they get all but that one vote... Then the sheriff/invest/whatever can vote them up to trial. I don't really like ballot because the town always goes Full Retard at the end and can't all vote one person while the mafia do, causing town to lose.Either that, or the person is able to vote as normal, but nobody can see that they have voted, or that someone has a vote on them.

If town goes full retard, town should lose. Communication is important. If town really needs help on who to vote. Someone simply needs to say "Vote Red". Simple as that.

Typing "vote for red" usually speaks the same language as a name popping up in the chat box with a red colored background. They both mean voting for red. :blink1:

[creedkingsx]

The first priority, imo, is for the game to be fun for everyone.
Someone getting blackmailed 5 nights in a row, unable to vote, literally might as well be an afk player, then either killed due to the appearance of afk or killed by mafia because they are sadistic is no fun for that person.
Blackmailer, as multiple examples have been provided, can still brutally fuck the town into mis-lynches.
Not too mention, a Lookout claim isn't the hardest claim to fake versus like a framer who has no other claim and has the ability to make 1 person look like mafia and the odds of an investigator investing that 1 person is usually slim.
Again, like I said previously, Blackmailers strength is carrying mafia into the late game. As for the picture provided by evander, I wouldn't be surprised if there was party cheating happening because I rarely see someone say vote me, now vote who you think is guilty before the spam voting occurs.

[Cryptonic]

As for the picture provided by evander, I wouldn't be surprised if there was party cheating happening because I rarely see someone say vote me, now vote who you think is guilty before the spam voting occurs.

Maybe there was a known bm'er in the game, and orange was known sheriff.
Could explain it? =\

[creedkingsx]

Maybe there was a known bm'er in the game, and orange was known sheriff.
Could explain it? =\

Just saying, seemed very like hey are you blackmailed, do you happen to have a lead and can you click that person.
Awesome, glad I could read your mind.
If you look, you can see a death-note at the top, so it was literally first thing said.
There was 5 people that voted, that means 11-12 people alive, so this was probably Day 2 or 3. Confirming a Blackmailer doesn't happen that fast all the time.

[Cryptonic]

Just saying, seemed very like hey are you blackmailed, do you happen to have a lead and can you click that person.
Awesome, glad I could read your mind.
If you look, you can see a death-note at the top, so it was literally first thing said.
There was 5 people that voted, that means 11-12 people alive, so this was probably Day 2 or 3. Confirming a Blackmailer doesn't happen that fast all the time.

Yea, true!!! I'm just saying it's a possibility.
I guess we'd need to see the game from beginning to that point lol

[creedkingsx]

Yea, true!!! I'm just saying it's a possibility.
I guess we'd need to see the game from beginning to that point lol

:P:P:P

[EliteMarine]

The first priority, imo, is for the game to be fun for everyone.
Someone getting blackmailed 5 nights in a row, unable to vote, literally might as well be an afk player, then either killed due to the appearance of afk or killed by mafia because they are sadistic is no fun for that person. Blackmailer, as multiple examples have been provided, can still brutally fuck the town into mis-lynches.
Not too mention, a Lookout claim isn't the hardest claim to fake versus like a framer who has no other claim and has the ability to make 1 person look like mafia and the odds of an investigator investing that 1 person is usually slim.
Again, like I said previously, Blackmailers strength is carrying mafia into the late game. As for the picture provided by evander, I wouldn't be surprised if there was party cheating happening because I rarely see someone say vote me, now vote who you think is guilty before the spam voting occurs.

Is that any different from someone who gets killed by mafia/sk night one? I bet they aren't having any fun. :p

[creedkingsx]

Is that any different from someone who gets killed by mafia/sk night one? I bet they aren't having any fun. :p

They can re-start or play roulette or talk to others that died. A Sheriff that is blackmailed and can't vote can literally do nothing, and quitting would lessen the chance of town winning.

[EliteMarine]

They can re-start or play roulette or talk to others that died. A Sheriff that is blackmailed and can't vote can literally do nothing, and quitting would lessen the chance of town winning.

You are very well determined to shoot this down huh? :)

Well, as long as I have ballot voting, I am fine with the blackmailer the way he is now.

[Ps2 Xtreme]

You are very well determined to shoot this down huh? :)

Well, as long as I have ballot voting, I am fine with the blackmailer the way he is now.

I agree with you, simply because if someone is blackmailed before they share their role then the town has no proof to follow a spam vote on.

[creedkingsx]

I agree with you, simply because if someone is blackmailed before they share their role then the town has no proof to follow a spam vote on.

oops told me this guy was a smurf, ignore pl0x xD

[EliteMarine]

I agree with you, simply because if someone is blackmailed before they share their role then the town has no proof to follow a spam vote on.

Yup, that's all you can do for now.

[MissingNo]

Also, if you take away voting, then the sheriff can just type -suicide and leave the mafia in his last will.


It would be dumb as hell if someone had to do that because you made the BM too strong.

[Liquidator]

I agree with whatever Creed said.