Day 6: Orange Coloured Skies

[Forum Mafia GM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6QknAOsVo

"NCR forces, this is the Brotherhood of Steel. This is your final warning; lay down your arms or we will be forced to exterminate you."

In reply, the NCR line opened fire at the armoured power troopers that had fallen back to their entrenched position. Bullets plinked and ricocheted off of metal plating and scavenged flak board, and the Brotherhood of Steel commander raised his megaphone again.

"Very well."

The fight began again, with the Enclave maintaining a safe distance.

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"Heya folks, welcome to another beautiful morning! You'll get used to that sky, the dust in the atmosphere sometimes turns it funny colours and those Enclave birds sure aint helpin'! Hope you guys have a fun day, under that Orange Coloured Sky..."

When the Vault Dwellers filed out into the courtyard, they discovered a gruesome tableau.

Boba was lying in the dust. It was difficult to tell that it was Boba since his body had been mutilated, but he was identified by the previous occupants of his vault.

Biggs also went missing during the night. No one could account for what happened to him.

Roger couldn't be found either, and once again no one could explain what had happened to him.

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Boba was an... Escort!
Biggs was a... Something???
Roger was also a... Something???

We could not find Roger's nor Biggs' last will.

Boba left a last will, however:


I will say again. On Day 2
• Not ONE person said we wanted Ross to be voted Tech.
• Everyone said they would vote for Nina
• Ross was voted Tech (Or so he claimed. But I visited Ross on N2 and I never received the message saying I RBed the Tech. Ross could be lying to save Nina. Unless Game Master forgot to send me the message saying I targeted the Technician....)

What does this mean?
• Mafia wanted Nina to not be Roleblocked. They wanted her to be able to use her night ability. Either a killing role or something else but it’s of high priority for the Mafia.

Vault 37 still has TWO or MORE Mafia members at large.

Here are my night actions:
N1 I Roleblocked Beru (Jin was the Tech)
N2 I Roleblocked Ross (Tech was Ross…. But I never got the response saying I got the Tech…. wait a second. Holy fuck… Unless Game Master fucked up, that means that Ross was not Tech on Night 2. If this is true, GET ROSS NOW for lying that he was TECH! He is pretending that he was Tech when he was not!)
N3 No Night Action
N4 Roleblocked Nina
N5 (tonight) Roleblocking Jin

Again, I will restate what I have said above.
“N2 I Roleblocked Ross (Tech was Ross…. But I never got the response saying I got the Tech…. wait a second. Holy fuck… Unless Game Master fucked up, that means that Ross was not Tech on Night 2. If this is true, GET ROSS NOW for lying that he was TECH! He is pretending that he was Tech when he was not!)”

Order of who I believe is scum from Vault 37

1) Nina
2) Jin/Ross
3) Beru

If I die tonight, it means I got too close. Go back and re-read my posts!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn_J425eo3Q&feature=player_embedded

Just remember…. You can’t kill Boba fucking Fett.


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Beru, Romo, Nina, Ross, Brees, Vick and Brady were all interviewed last night by Galaxy Radio!

Beru, Romo, Ross, Brees and Vick did not provide satisfactory interviews - they are ALL eligible for a free lynch! Since there are FIVE players eligible for a free lynch, the required number of votes on a player for them to be free lynched is the normal majority MINUS THREE.



Question 1:

What do you think the ratio of NCR to Non-NCR is right now? Do you think the NCR can afford a mislynch, and what roles should the NCR prioritise when it comes to lynching?
I think NCR is in majority right now, and can afford a mislynch

Question 2:

What vaults do you think need to be focused on now? Why?

My old vault 37 haven't had much action, I beieve we need ot be focused on scum there. it is also the vault I know the most about and I can contribute more in discussions concerning it

Question 3:

What roles do you think the remaining Enclave/Brotherhood of Steel members are? Why do you think this, do you have tangible evidence or is your hunch based on meta-gaming?

Well Brotherhood has 3 members left? Probably leutenant the godfather on both teams, or is it possible they dont spawn?
that leaves 7 more, and there's definitely a janitor or a disguiser, and some untraceable roles like framers, actresses, sleuth, such stuff. I believe there is no consort if Boba isn't. There weren't many blocks reported. There probably is a ventriloquist around because there are more accounts than players still
This all is based on calculations and reasoning, not a hunch

Question 4:

Fluttershy was free-lynched and turned out to be a Sheriff. Do you think the NCR should continue to free-lynch when they can? You are under danger of being free-lynched yourself.
It depends, I guess you can free lynch if a person is scummy. But why didnt free lynch on flutter get revoked? She posted, and so did brostin, but his got revoked.

Question 5:

Please look back over the lynch train on Francine. Identify the two most suspicious members to jump on that lynch train. Also give a summary of why you think Francine was lynched by everyone.

Francine was a one-man team, so obviously she got voted by both mafia and town alike, and it went pretty fast because such is the nature of a bandwagon.
Mkoll and Klaus, because they had a lot of influence on the train, but in my eyes are scum.

Question 6:

There have been many claims so far. Do you think anyone is lying, and why? If not, who do you think has the strongest claim, and why?
I'm a pretty naive person, I'm putting the claims down in my list until they're disproven by a night action. I believe Jabba's Student claim is pretty solid, with mkoll backing it up, but really they could just be mafia together and we'd never know as long as thye're alive and unchecked.

Question 7:

Does Jabba's supposed Student claim surprise you, given the way he drove Brostin to suicide yesterday? If so, why, and if not, why?
it surprised me a little because Jabba played so pro-town at first before lynching brostin, neutrals rarely do that, especially students who might wind up helping scum as a mistake, like it happened in previous games

Question 8:

Aside from you there were a number of other lurkers. Please identify everyone who you think should have been radio interviewed, and then give me your thoughts on them.
You're making my life hard Foxy, the name list isn't even provided.
I say Applejack (who the hell is applejack?), Romo (dont remember that guy's input at all) and various other lurkers with high postcount who started lurking only recently, should be attended to imo.



Answer to all the questions: I'm sorry town. I'm afraid I don't have the time. Luna also doesn't have any replacements to fill me in. I'll try to be helpful as much as I can. Which won't be that much. Please don't free lynch! Mercy!


Question 1: What do you think the ratio of NCR to Non-NCR is right now? Do you think the NCR can afford a mislynch, and what roles should the NCR prioritise when it comes to lynching?
literally 1:1 taking into account that i believe ackbro and broshi's roleclaims during the melon broulette, and that Yoda is actually a Hitman (according to Monica)
depends on what Monica has to say about yoshi man's role, though, since i am the only live person who knows what he claimed anyway, fuck.
i doubt the town can sustain any more bullshit by day 6 - red mafia is pretty much the final boss at this point, oranges are bound to lose, and neutral killaz aren't really helping, rape my face
REMOVE red mafia remove remove

Question 2: What vaults do you think need to be focused on now? Why?
depending on monica's results, it's either my vault (5 represent nigga), vault 21, vault 9, or the holy grounds of brostin aka brolord sheriff (RIP)

vault 21 because of the blatant enchantress getting killed by Tarkin, rEMOVE tarkin, what the fuck is the problem here why isnt he dead; although he's probably a brotherhood and they shouldn't be our lynch focous nigga................
i doubt the enchantress's target was switched, since it was Owen and Rawne who were switched
sheet nuggah

Brostin's Sanctuary seems like a red mafia wankfest, given the nina fiasco and all. ima go ahead and say there's 2 enclaves in there, maybe even Focken 3 Hot Damn Diggy Dog

first of all yall hoes should probably work out who teh fuck was voted N1 technician
whoever was voted that day was blatantly scum wtf

Jin seems like a slick fellow, also he said something along the lines of "I skipped the D2 technician vote hoho"
the D2 vote was the one on Nina, Why El Fuck Would U Skip That Vote
then again why would you openly announce that, he could have just easily lied and said "shit i voted nina, shit i am not mafia"
ok

also
iirc in one of Boba's posts, he miracuously knew who was voted N1 technician, despite that nobody fucking knew who was voted that day
he said Jin was the technician, but Jin corrected him later on, sayin that he wasnt tech at all??????????????
i'm pretty sure it's also been said that Jin voted himself along with others as the N1 technician
wtf

and Beru/Ross lurkin like fuck, also blatant hypocrisy sup
Ross was voted as the N2 tech though

vault 9 is asslurk central
willing to bet there's 1 enclave and/or 1 brothahood in dis bitch
also alleged witch in here

we will see about vault 5 l8r

Question 3: What roles do you think the remaining Enclave/Brotherhood of Steel members are? Why do you think this, do you have tangible evidence or is your hunch based on meta-gaming?
probably a red disguiser/janiturd from Brostin's vault
mite b red GF (phoebe's protect yo)
a framer or something somewhere
other than that they've remained pretty inconspicious fuck fuck
dunno about orange moofia other than where they're potentially located

Question 4: Fluttershy was free-lynched and turned out to be a Sheriff. Do you think the NCR should continue to free-lynch when they can? You are under danger of being free-lynched yourself.
gr8 for pressuring
yellowquiet's lynch is pretty irrelevant to the effectiveness of the free-lynch though since she was flat out fucking afk, shieeeeeeeet
other than that it should probably be used in the offchance some guy gets radioed twice in a row/doesn't answer radio review
bcuz at least the rest of the lurkers are remotely playing

Question 5: Please look back over the lynch train on Francine. Identify the two most suspicious members to jump on that lynch train. Also give a summary of why you think Francine was lynched by everyone.
romo who is a part of vault 9
in which 3 towns are already dead in that focken vault and there are prolly 3 random anys + 1 neutral
also he is maximum lurker how do you have less posts than me

han who pretty much hammered without hesitation
also he doesn't contribute much
ALSO HE'S A VAULT 9 MEMBER FUCK

francine was obviously lynched for the shit that was piling upon her, rip francine
also this has already been said but there were also some scum voters involved which we should of been more wary of
me pointing out obvious shit wow i am good at FM

Question 6: There have been many claims so far. Do you think anyone is lying, and why? If not, who do you think has the strongest claim, and why?
biggs is pretty shady with dat student claim
obviously starting to doubt rodgers but there could be a framer or something
everything else seems relatively plausible so far

Question 7: Does Jabba's supposed Student claim surprise you, given the way he drove Brostin to suicide yesterday? If so, why, and if not, why?
not really considering how autistic he was acting (sry brostin)
also taking unnecessary risks just to do something for shiggles is entirely believable honestly ho ho ho oh oh ho ho

Question 8: Aside from you there were a number of other lurkers. Please identify everyone who you think should have been radio interviewed, and then give me your thoughts on them.
han is the type of guy who attempts to be a part of the crew but just asks a shitload of questions and doesn't really contribute that much

gaunt was all "shit i'm town leader" until we left vault 5
and then he started lurking, Han-style
what's up nigga

i don't really have anything to say about the rest of the lurkers (who we are all aware of and would be unnecesary to list) other than "THEY'RE QUIET AND THEIR VAULTS ARE RIDDEN WITH SCUM AND PROBABLY SHOULD BE CHECKED"

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Foxy Roxy was given another interview by an intrepid reporter last night!


The Shayreef from vault 103 wooulld like to report that dat nigga TARKEN is NOT suspiicious.

HAWEVVA.
Dis same shayref found da scummy mothakuckin hooka King and trigga nigga Larkin to be equally not suspishos

DIS MEENS DAT SHAYREF NIGGA IS ONE CRAAAZAY MOTHAFUCKA.

[of caws, shayrif could jus be naive too]

SHAYRIFF WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CALL OUT JABBA

AS POTENTIAL CULT LEEDAH

AND BROBA AS CONSORT WHO BLOCKED BEARU NIGHT 1


And since lazy ass FM Pokeman Masta won't post a fuckin role list;

Hidden Mafia -Vault 5
Hidden Mafia - Vault 37 Killah
Hidden Mafia - Vault 37 Janitor
Hidden Mafia - Random Any
Hidden Mafia - Random Any
Hidden Mafia - Random Any
Hidden Mafia - Vault 21
Hidden Mafia - Random Any
Hidden Mafia - Random Any
Hidden Neutral - Vault 37 - Jabba (Student/Cult Leader)
Hidden Neutral - Vault 9
Hidden Neutral - Vault 66
Hidden Neutral - Vault 66 - Devaworah
Hidden Neutral - Vault 21
Hidden Town - (If none of the dead sheriffs wuz sane, this be sane sheriff mothafucka)
Hidden Town - Vault 103 Journalist
Hidden Town - Vault 103
Hidden Town - Vault 21
Hidden Town - Vault 37
Hidden Town - Vault 103 Sheriff (hyellah evrayone)
Hidden Town - Any
Hidden Town - Any
Hidden Town - Any
Hidden Town - Any
Hidden Town - Any
Hidden Town - Any
Hidden Town - Any
Hidden Town - Any
Hidden Town - Any

Random Neutras are all in the role list, no use lookin for em in the random anies. Vaults 103 and 5 sre clear from having neutrals, and vault 37 from having any neutrals other than jabba.

Sorry for the technical difficulties with this article as formatting is rather difficult while the editor is on vacation.

The lack of people listening to my concerns about Tarkin leads me to believe he is, in fact, scum. I also believe that there is something odd going on with Nina/Ross/Beru and hopefully a sheriff can step in to work on the situation.

Will need to wait until I get back home to make further analysis with my notes. Stop lynching neutrals! Granted I was responsible for one of those lynches... My bad... I failed to consider all possibilities fully.

Quality of our publications will be better tomorrow.

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Graveyard (Surface):

Brostin (Sheriff): Committed suicide like a demented fool, by running naked into a turret. [Day 4]
Larkin (Arms Dealer): Exiled into the valley to be killed by the base defence systems. [Day 4]
Bragg (Ventriloquist): Killed by a Mysterious Stranger... [Night 4]
Lei (Puppet): Committed suicide. [Night 4]
Yoshimitsu (???): Went missing, mysteriously, leaving no trace of his role. [Night 4]
Lando (Sheriff): Killed and maimed by multiple sources. [Night 4]
Phoebe (Bodyguard): Gunned down in a duel. [Night 4]
Fluttershy (Sheriff): Vaporised by a vertibird rotor. [Day 5]
Francine (Corrupt Journalist): Shot by Boone, the NCR Marksman overlooking the courtyard. [Day 5]
Boba (Escort): Found lying in the courtyard, having been attacked by multiple sources. [Night 5]
Biggs (???): Disappeared under mysterious circumstances. [Night 5]
Roger (???): Disappeared under circumstances which were just as mysterious. [Night 5]

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Night will end at this time:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=11.00pm+GMT+Tuesday+10th+July

[Gaunt]

Another double kill, that is rather odd. I guess the scum want all the same targets dead. I don't like that Biggs and Roger both mysteriously disappeared on the same night. Something is not right...

[Forum Mafia GM]

An Amnesiac also remembered his role!

[Tebow]

If a cult leader is killed and cleaned by a janitor, are the cultists that suicide also cleaned?

[Forum Mafia GM]

If a cult leader is killed and cleaned by a janitor, are the cultists that suicide also cleaned?


No.

[Rawne]

So, guess Manning wasn't lying. He should tell us what role he became.

I'm guessing Biggs died to the devourer. Biggs was trying to look for the devourer in his vault and (I think) called out Wicket. I'm 99% sure the two cleaning roles are Devourer and Janitor. Both have used up their charges in this case.

Clearly the sheriff from vault 103 is either a naive or insane sheriff. I hope it's the latter. Whatever the case, Tarkin has yet to respond in a satisfactory manner about N1, so I will vote for him until he speaks up.

-vote Tarkin

and for good measure

-free lynch Beru

-free lynch Brees

Both were on my scum list anyway. I don't have anything on the others (Vick seemed pro-town enough to me while inside the vault and posted a lot more than Brees did, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now)

[Rawne]

Why does the vault 103 sheriff only have 3 results when he had 4 nights to do something though? Roleblocked?

[Luke]

Look's like Manning claimed a role. Hopefully he followed Leia's plan.

The sheriff interview was some good stuff. Tarkin was suspicious from our vault and I think it might be the latter. I want to wait to find out what Rodgers found as well tonight before deciding who to vote to lynch.

Also these cleanings are really messing us up...I wonder why Biggs was cleaned after he claimed student?

Boba proved he is escort. Confirms my suspicions on Beru and Nina. I'll go ahead and put pressure on them with the freelynch for a roleclaim out of them or something. Also Brees has been lurking too hard and I want him to role claim so I'll freelynch him as well.

@Rawne
freelynch beru
freelynch nina
freelynch Brees

[Rawne]

Why does the vault 103 sheriff only have 3 results when he had 4 nights to do something though? Roleblocked?

wait i'm dumb never mind

Based on evidence above:

-free lynch Ross

Why would someone lie about being technician if not trying to hide?

[Rawne]

freelynch nina

Nina isn't eligible for a free lynch, unfortunately.

Did I use the wrong color?

[Luke]

Look's like Manning claimed a role. Hopefully he followed Leia's plan.

The sheriff interview was some good stuff. Tarkin was suspicious from our vault and I think it might be the latter. I want to wait to find out what Rodgers found as well tonight before deciding who to vote to lynch.

Also these cleanings are really messing us up...I wonder why Biggs was cleaned after he claimed student?

Boba proved he is escort. Confirms my suspicions on Beru and Nina. I'll go ahead and put pressure on them with the freelynch for a roleclaim out of them or something. Also Brees has been lurking too hard and I want him to role claim so I'll freelynch him as well.

freelynch beru
freelynch Brees
Oops never said anything to Rawne....
Yeah I agree that Brees is a scumspect. I don't know enough about ross or Romo to warrant a freelynch yet. Oh yeah you are right about the Nina thing. I'm not sure about the color, any shade of pink probably works.

[Forum Mafia GM]

As long as the freelynch is pink and pretty it counts.

[Brady]

w8ing for coroner results on yoshimitsoup

also i was witched last night

nice try fag

btw -free lynch Romo

[Vader]

Dubuyou. Tee. Eff.

Obviously, the threat from the Assault Rifle in Vault 9 is not effective at staving off scum at all.

Devourer, you made the worst choice to devour my student. Yes, Biggs was my student. I can confirm he was devoured because he did not show up to night chat last night. Why you would devour someone who claimed student, I do not know.

Also, another thing, Luna, you are such a troll. Suuuch a troll. I can't believe how many Sheriffs are in this game.

-vote Beru
-vote Romo
-vote Ross
-vote Brees

[Beru]

Dubuyou. Tee. Eff.

Obviously, the threat from the Assault Rifle in Vault 9 is not effective at staving off scum at all.

Devourer, you made the worst choice to devour my student. Yes, Biggs was my student. I can confirm he was devoured because he did not show up to night chat last night. Why you would devour someone who claimed student, I do not know.

Also, another thing, Luna, you are such a troll. Suuuch a troll. I can't believe how many Sheriffs are in this game.

-vote Beru
-vote Romo
-vote Ross
-vote Brees

Was he going to become a Witch like you?

[Gaunt]

I am going to wait to see who contributes today before I cast my free lynch votes. I think we should be wise with them. Getting rid of five people at once seriously helps the scum more than it helps the town.

[Tarkin]

Alrighty guys, I'm here, and I'm finally on break, so I'll be able to contribute a lot more to the conversation now.

I am a Spy. I/Old Tarkin was forced into using the first charge of our ability when we were lured by Eddy on Night 1. Strange thing here though, the result he got was that Wedge was targeted by a mafia member, not Eddy. Presumably this contributed to why Old Tarkin was reluctant to lynch Wedge on Day 2. Also, this is why I believe that there must be 2 Brotherhood members in our Vault 21. Wedge, did you receive any feedback messages on Night 1?

Old Tarkin did not use a charge on Night 2 or Night 3.

Night 4 I had replaced Old Tarkin by then, and used the second charge to discover that Law was targeted by a mafia member on night 4. Seeing as how Yoshi was suspected of being a disguiser, this is why I suggested that Law might have been his target. However, since we had two cleans last night, this confirms the presence of a devourer and a janitor or disguiser that disguised last night, and makes the probability of Yoshi having been a disguiser highly unlikely. Thus, Law is most likely clean. Law, did you receive any feedback messages on Night 4?

And finally, I used my last charge last night and found out that Paul was targeted by a mafia member last night. Paul, did you receive any feedback messages last night?

I have no charges left, and will not be able to provide any further information.

Is it true that Boba would have received a feedback message if he had blocked the Technician? If so, it can be assumed that Ross must be scum. There is no reason for a town to falseclaim technician. It would only create further confusion and distraction from finding the true scum. I will wait for the answer to my question before deciding whether or not to freelynch Ross.

If Ross was not the technician, then I find it odd that Nina, who presumably actually was the real technician, did not call him out on it.

As for everyone else that's up for free lynch, I believe Beru is under suspicion? Why is this again? I need to re-read the past couple days to find out. Romo also has barely contributed at all, so it can't hurt the town much to have him gone even if he flips town, unless he suddenly decides to show up and start contributing. Brees did not contribute much in our vault either, but Vick was more vocal. I'm still not confortable yet labeling any of them as scummy enough as they should die. If they do not show up by the end of this day to start explaining themselves, I will vote to free lynch them.

[Gaunt]

Actually change of plans... I am co-ordinating vault to player lists using POST #310 day 4 and the Sheriff interview.

Vault 21 has a confirmed brotherhood and Manning the amnesiac, brotherhood is weak if we hammer them we can cut the KPN and if we get rid of them both it at least narrows down our pool of suspects for possible brotherhood members. The remaining people in vault 21 are...

Brees <- Possible Brotherhood lurker
Luke
Manning <- Amnesiac
Rawne
Tarkin
Vick <- Possible Brotherhood Lurker
Wedge

-vote brees
-vote vick

I suspect Tarkin if brees and vick are not Brotherhood.

[Brady]

btw

Chewbacca (Saboteur)
Greedo (Citizen)
King (OJ Consort)
Larkin (Arms Dealer)
Leia (Journalist)
Mkoll (TOwn?)
Monica (Coroner Probably Fuck)
Stan (OJ Fabricator)
Tebow (?)
Tebow (?)


The Shayreef from vault 103


SHAYRIFF WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CALL OUT JABBA

AS POTENTIAL CULT LEEDAH

>mentor wouldn't call out his student

u cannot hide teboew """""the sheriff"""""

btw why only 3 night actions?????????????????????????????????????????

hello mafia

[Luke]

Actually change of plans... I am co-ordinating vault to player lists using POST #310 day 4 and the Sheriff interview.

Vault 21 has a confirmed brotherhood and Manning the amnesiac, brotherhood is weak if we hammer them we can cut the KPN and if we get rid of them both it at least narrows down our pool of suspects for possible brotherhood members. The remaining people in vault 21 are...

Brees <- Possible Brotherhood lurker
Luke
Manning <- Amnesiac
Rawne
Tarkin
Vick <- Possible Brotherhood Lurker
Wedge

-vote brees
-vote vick

I suspect Tarkin if brees and vick are not Brotherhood.
Gaunt your notes are similar to mine. I have narrowed down Brees and Vick to being our vaults Bus driver and mafia. Rawne is also suspicious still because he has claimed and NO ONE from our vault has any proof that his claim is accurate. One of these two will likely claim bus driver if we pressure them.

vote Vick
@Tarkin do you have anything that can prove Rawnes roleclaim? Your roleclaim does make sense and If you aren't lying I think that means that we have a bus driver instead of Kidnapper. Rawne and Owen claimed be bussed that night. If Eddy was attacked, that means that a second mafia member must have visited Wedge that night.

@Brady Lol yeah it was pretty obvious he was the Sheriff. Was hoping no one else figured that out though.

[Law]

Alrighty guys, I'm here, and I'm finally on break, so I'll be able to contribute a lot more to the conversation now.

I am a Spy. I/Old Tarkin was forced into using the first charge of our ability when we were lured by Eddy on Night 1. Strange thing here though, the result he got was that Wedge was targeted by a mafia member, not Eddy. Presumably this contributed to why Old Tarkin was reluctant to lynch Wedge on Day 2. Also, this is why I believe that there must be 2 Brotherhood members in our Vault 21. Wedge, did you receive any feedback messages on Night 1?

Old Tarkin did not use a charge on Night 2 or Night 3.

Night 4 I had replaced Old Tarkin by then, and used the second charge to discover that Law was targeted by a mafia member on night 4. Seeing as how Yoshi was suspected of being a disguiser, this is why I suggested that Law might have been his target. However, since we had two cleans last night, this confirms the presence of a devourer and a janitor or disguiser that disguised last night, and makes the probability of Yoshi having been a disguiser highly unlikely. Thus, Law is most likely clean. Law, did you receive any feedback messages on Night 4?

And finally, I used my last charge last night and found out that Paul was targeted by a mafia member last night. Paul, did you receive any feedback messages last night?

I have no charges left, and will not be able to provide any further information.

Is it true that Boba would have received a feedback message if he had blocked the Technician? If so, it can be assumed that Ross must be scum. There is no reason for a town to falseclaim technician. It would only create further confusion and distraction from finding the true scum. I will wait for the answer to my question before deciding whether or not to freelynch Ross.

If Ross was not the technician, then I find it odd that Nina, who presumably actually was the real technician, did not call him out on it.

As for everyone else that's up for free lynch, I believe Beru is under suspicion? Why is this again? I need to re-read the past couple days to find out. Romo also has barely contributed at all, so it can't hurt the town much to have him gone even if he flips town, unless he suddenly decides to show up and start contributing. Brees did not contribute much in our vault either, but Vick was more vocal. I'm still not confortable yet labeling any of them as scummy enough as they should die. If they do not show up by the end of this day to start explaining themselves, I will vote to free lynch them.

I did not receive a feedback message night 4. However, if I had been Yoshimitsu (and had been a disguiser) I definitely would have targetted myself (Law). I am kind of disappointed that no one else mentioned me as a possible disguiser target.

Anyways, Monica had said she was going to check Yoshimitsu tonight, so if he was in fact disguiser she should find out who he disguised as.

[Rawne]

That seems reasonable, Tarkin. I'll definitely see how what you've said holds up before trying to lynch you.

-unvote Tarkin

Beru was under suspicion by Boba due to the roleblock N1 that resulted in no janitor cleaning. Plausible, but not definite. Now that he's posted, I guess he'll be around for a bit. Beru, please elaborate on what you said. Why do you think Vader is a witch?

[Vader]

Since all the people I've needed to protect in Vault 9 have died, I will claim this now.

Yes, I have the Veteran Assault Rifle, with all 3 charges still left. I did not want to use it and accidentally kill off a town PR thus far. But with only me, Han, and Romo left from our Vault, I thought it'd be best to reveal it now, especially during these circumstances.

Devourer, aka, Wicket, this is what I mean by you choosing the worst student to eat. If you jail me and try to kill me, your kill counts as a visitation. I WILL know you have jailed me and use my Veteran Rifle that night. When you try to kill me, not only will I be immune to death, I will also kill you in return, and you will lose instantly. Same goes to you, Mafia. Try your luck, come on. I dare ya.

Btw, can we pretty much confirm the existence of a serial killer in play? One kill from each Mafia plus the Devourer adds up only to 3. That would also explain why no one else died when Phoebe protected someone. Her protect-ee was attacked by a serial killer. The alternative would be a spree killer who has somehow managed to visit the person being visited by only one other person every night, which means he visited Jin tonight.

And yes, Beru. Let's hear it. Why do you think I'm the witch?

[Beru]

That seems reasonable, Tarkin. I'll definitely see how what you've said holds up before trying to lynch you.

-unvote Tarkin

Beru was under suspicion by Boba due to the roleblock N1 that resulted in no janitor cleaning. Plausible, but not definite. Now that he's posted, I guess he'll be around for a bit. Beru, please elaborate on what you said. Why do you think Vader is a witch?

She said it herself.


There is still an unclaimed Wastelander in my Vault, whom I'm going to consider as an evil neutral.

It's very typical for scum to point out the existence of a scummy force, as they often cannot resist using their knowledge to set themselves apart.

[Beru]

only me, Han, and Romo left from our Vault,


Again, she said it herself.

Is this scary evil neutral one of the dead?

If not, who is it?

Why did you think there was one?

[Brady]

It's very typical for scum to point out the existence of a scummy force, as they often cannot resist using their knowledge to set themselves apart.

Wow The Only Thing Scummier Than That Is Lurking Hardcore Like Romo And Han

Romo = Moofia
Han = Witch
100% accurate

romo for freelynch niggas

[Beru]

Wow The Only Thing Scummier Than That Is Lurking Hardcore Like Romo And Han

Romo = Moofia
Han = Witch
100% accurate

romo for freelynch niggas

I appreciate your support. Your parody of sheep logic is delightful.

High five, homie.

[Vader]

Again, she said it herself.

Is this scary evil neutral one of the dead?

If not, who is it?

Why did you think there was one?

Simple. Roger said he was witched on N1. Which means the witch is in our vault.
Heihachi died N1 - citizen.
Fluttershy was free lynched - Sheriff.
Lando died N4 - Sheriff.

The witch could be Roger, which means he lied about being witched N1 and N4. But the quote where I said there's a hidden wastelander was made yesterday, before he was killed.

[Beru]

Simple. Roger said he was witched on N1. Which means the witch is in our vault.
Heihachi died N1 - citizen.
Fluttershy was free lynched - Sheriff.
Lando died N4 - Sheriff.

The witch could be Roger, which means he lied about being witched N1 and N4. But the quote where I said there's a hidden wastelander was made yesterday, before he was killed.

Why would the Witch claim he was witched on N1? That's hilarious.

I find that doubtful considering how you teased and interrogation Roger about being witched, yet never thought to accuse him when he was alive. Now he lies dead and cleaned, and you claim that he was the witch? Better yet ...




Since all the people I've needed to protect in Vault 9 have died, I will claim this now.


Why would you have needed to protect the Witch?

No, the best part is ...

if you have claim to have 3 nights of immunity, why haven't you claimed your role?

[Mkoll]

I got attacked last night. I used a handy dandy vest, though, so a big fuck you to death to whoever attacked me. I received a vest night before last. I also received a vest prior to that, sooo feel free to help me use them, scum!
And I confirmed jabba as my student. Were definitely not witches, just so we're clear on that. On my phone right now so not gonna post much until later.

[Mkoll]

Beru finding a witch is definitely not priority right now. We need to either finish off orange mafia or start working on red mafia. We have an all but confirmed drug dealer in tebow from 103, but before I push for his lynch I wanna hear others opinions about who else is mafia.

[Beru]

Beru finding a witch is definitely not priority right now. We need to either finish off orange mafia or start working on red mafia. We have an all but confirmed drug dealer in tebow from 103, but before I push for his lynch I wanna hear others opinions about who else is mafia.

A witch with an assault gun is a gigantic priority.

"Hey, I'm going to force people to visit me ... and DIE."

[Luke]

A witch with an assault gun is a gigantic priority.

"Hey, I'm going to force people to visit me ... and DIE."
I liked you better when you weren't posting. Beru you still haven't put up any defense against Boba's claims against you, just attacking someone. If he was witch I highly doubt he would do something as dumb as this though, especially after claiming to be veteran.

Mkoll why do you think that Tebow is a drugdealer? I thought we decided he was sheriff since obviously you won't be suspicious of your own student in the interview. 103 to me is clear of scum. I don't know your role but It can only be a town role.

[Beru]

I liked you better when you weren't posting. Beru you still haven't put up any defense against Boba's claims against you, just attacking someone. If he was witch I highly doubt he would do something as dumb as this though, especially after claiming to be veteran.

Mkoll why do you think that Tebow is a drugdealer? I thought we decided he was sheriff since obviously you won't be suspicious of your own student in the interview. 103 to me is clear of scum. I don't know your role but It can only be a town role.

Why would I need to defend myself? Boba admitted in his last will that his accusation was designed to pressure me and had little real substance.

The bolded statement is meaningless, as it has no reference for "this".

[Vader]

Why would the Witch claim he was witched on N1? That's hilarious.

I find that doubtful considering how you teased and interrogation Roger about being witched, yet never thought to accuse him when he was alive. Now he lies dead and cleaned, and you claim that he was the witch? Better yet ...

Because he shot the Vigilante gun on N1 and that's how Heihachi died. Which means he either shot it himself, or a witch forced him to. Or he's a witch who fired it and claimed to have been forced to.



Why would you have needed to protect the Witch?

No, the best part is ...

if you have claim to have 3 nights of immunity, why haven't you claimed your role?

If you didn't notice, we had 2 Sheriffs in our vault. It was of great value not to reveal who had the Veteran rifle to keep scum from guessing whom they can attack without being attacked in return. Obviously, this tactic didn't work, as scum either forgot about the Veteran rifle, or had the guts to attack someone who could have killed them back, but hey. To each his own.

I have not claimed a role because I cannot use my night action simultaneously when I activate my Veteran Assault Rifle. Prevents town from directing exactly what I do, and prevents Mafia from knowing what kind of role I am. It's not just 3 night of immunity. I have to pick and choose which nights I use it. So no, even if I were witch, I cannot just go, -use Veteran Assault Rifle, -make someone visit me.

Reading a bit would be nice. Ahem.

Also on another note. Has anyone been receiving guns? Our Vault was in charge of appointing someone in the game as gunsmith. It was not me, unfortunately.

[Gaunt]

Beru has a point, witch will probably force someone to target Vader now that he is all like "I'm the veteran" and shit

[Gaunt]

well he has the veteran rifle, same thing

[Luke]

Why would I need to defend myself? Boba admitted in his last will that his accusation was designed to pressure me and had little real substance.

The bolded statement is meaningless, as it has no reference for "this".

roleblocking you on the night that someone wasn't sanitized and that you've been lurking most of the game. Also you think that a Witch is a gigantic priority? We haven't even touched the enclave yet, that seems scummy to me.

Also, The part you bolded is reference to what I quoted. A witch wouldn't reveal that they had the veteran rifle and then make people attack visit. This is on the assumption that Vader is actually the witch, which I doubt.

[Rawne]

If Vader is the witch and has the veteran's assault rifle, then the only situation where that could be a problem is when he can use both actions and force his target to attack himself, thereby killing the target. Which, given what Vader posted, is impossible. Vader, are you absolutely sure there is a witch? Because revealing that you have the gun is likely to make the witch start redirecting people towards you, which can only end in bad things. I'm fine with trying to figure out who the witch (IF there is one) is, but it's not a top priority and we NEED to get a mafia today. Beru, who do you think is mafia from your vault?

And I thought Tebow was the sheriff too, with every other possibility excluded given that you, Mkoll, said you were NOT the sheriff.

[Beru]

Because he shot the Vigilante gun on N1 and that's how Heihachi died. Which means he either shot it himself, or a witch forced him to. Or he's a witch who fired it and claimed to have been forced to.

If you didn't notice, we had 2 Sheriffs in our vault. It was of great value not to reveal who had the Veteran rifle to keep scum from guessing whom they can attack without being attacked in return. Obviously, this tactic didn't work, as scum either forgot about the Veteran rifle, or had the guts to attack someone who could have killed them back, but hey. To each his own.

I have not claimed a role because I cannot use my night action simultaneously when I activate my Veteran Assault Rifle. Prevents town from directing exactly what I do, and prevents Mafia from knowing what kind of role I am. It's not just 3 night of immunity. I have to pick and choose which nights I use it. So no, even if I were witch, I cannot just go, -use Veteran Assault Rifle, -make someone visit me.

Reading a bit would be nice. Ahem.

Also on another note. Has anyone been receiving guns? Our Vault was in charge of appointing someone in the game as gunsmith. It was not me, unfortunately.

The first two scenarios place Roger as a non-witch. And it's true, because he was likely the disguiser. Two kills went towards Boba, likely one from each mafia team. You claimed the Devourer killed the student, so where would a clean and kill come from?

I think you just realized that you need to hide from investigative roles with no scum help.

And no, you're claiming your role, or you're getting lynched, Witch. I don't care what kind of frosting you put on it, you have little reason in not claiming.
-vote Vader

Oh, did you ask Luna if you could do -use Veteran Assault Rifle, -make someone visit me, and get sadly rejected?

Love, aunt Beru.

It's not my fault that my children are incapable of critical thinking.

[Beru]

The first two scenarios place Roger as a non-witch. And it's true, because he was likely the disguiser. Two kills went towards Boba, likely one from each mafia team. You claimed the Devourer killed the student, so where would a clean and kill come from?

I think you just realized that you need to hide from investigative roles with no scum help.

And no, you're claiming your role, or you're getting lynched, Witch. I don't care what kind of frosting you put on it, you have little reason in not claiming.
-vote Vader

Oh, did you ask Luna if you could do -use Veteran Assault Rifle, -make someone visit me, and get sadly rejected?

Love, aunt Beru.

It's not my fault that my children are incapable of critical thinking.

As an addendum, your gun has 3 shots. You never used it.

If you are town, I'd expect some night actions by now. I mean, you wouldn't have any fear of visiting anyone.

You had the gun, right? So, how would you get shot?

[Vader]

Beru has a point, witch will probably force someone to target Vader now that he is all like "I'm the veteran" and shit

Nope. This is why I'm not revealing when I'm using my night action, and when I'm using the Veteran rifle. Maybe the witch will get lucky and witch someone to hit me when I have it activated. Maybe not. Maybe the witch will even accidentally witch a Mafia onto me while I have it activated. It's a gamble for all scum who try to harm/use me.

But seriously. If the witch is in our vault, Romo's getting freelynched today, and by default, then witch would be Han, if it isn't dead Roger. And then my Vault will be clear of scum, cause only I'm left.


You claimed the Devourer killed the student, so where would a clean and kill come from?
Um. The Devourer can choose to clean and kill his target. Just sayin'.



Oh, did you ask Luna if you could do -use Veteran Assault Rifle, -make someone visit me, and get sadly rejected?

Um. This was posted clearly in our Vault mechanics and FAQ, which Lando has so neatly laid out for you on Day 4 when we first assembled. Please go check his posts.


You had the gun, right? So, how would you get shot?

They just shoot me, obviously. The Veteran gun does not auto-activate. I think you need to go read my Vault's mechanics.

Beru, the fact that you even want to lynch the witch makes you scum. The witch is of little consequence right now, as s/he provides no KPN. No, I am not claiming. That's retarded.

[Beru]

roleblocking you on the night that someone wasn't sanitized and that you've been lurking most of the game. Also you think that a Witch is a gigantic priority? We haven't even touched the enclave yet, that seems scummy to me.

Also, The part you bolded is reference to what I quoted. A witch wouldn't reveal that they had the veteran rifle and then make people attack visit. This is on the assumption that Vader is actually the witch, which I doubt.

The enclave isn't a priority. You would have to kill 6 people to reduce the KPN.

For the Brotherhood, you have to kill two or three.

For the Devourer, you have to kill one.

For the Witch, you have to kill one.

And if you're asking why I'm including the Witch as a KPN role, well it has an assault rifle, and now it's fishing for gunsmith tools.

Without high KPN, scum will lose. This has always been the case.

You're silly, nephew Luke.

[Beru]

But seriously. If the witch is in our vault, Romo's getting freelynched today, and by default, then witch would be Han, if it isn't dead Roger. And then my Vault will be clear of scum, cause only I'm left.

Good one.


Um. The Devourer can choose to clean and kill his target. Just sayin'.

There were two cleans, and four "kills".


They just shoot me, obviously. The Veteran gun does not auto-activate. I think you need to go read my Vault's mechanics.
So, why don't you have any information for the town? You expect me to believe you're a citizen? You should have a few nights of information by now, and that would do the town a lot more than GAMBLING WIFOM. Why didn't your student hint anything about his chosen role, either? Hm.

Beru, the fact that you even want to lynch the witch makes you scum. The witch is of little consequence right now, as s/he provides no KPN. No, I am not claiming. That's retarded.

You'd like me to think that, huh. You can cause all sorts of chaos, witch.

I'm sure scum would love to lynch the witch.



Baby.

[Rawne]

Devourer can both kill and clean his jailed target. Only twice, however; every other kill he makes is identical to a jailor execution. Read role cards.

[Beru]

Devourer can both kill and clean his jailed target. Only twice, however; every other kill he makes is identical to a jailor execution. Read role cards.

Vader said that her student was killed by the Devourer. He was also cleaned.

This does not change the fact that at least 2 kills went towards Boba, 1 went towards Roger, and 1 went towards Biggs. It does also not change the fact that there were 2 cleans. I find it unlikely that two janitors magically cleaned these so-called "SK" targets.

What are you even arguing? Nothing. That was what I thought.

[Vader]

And if you're asking why I'm including the Witch as a KPN role, well it has an assault rifle, and now it's fishing for gunsmith tools.


The assault rifle is a Veteran rifle. It can't kill unless I'm visited first. That does not count as an adequate KPN.

As for the gunsmith, I'm asking because I don't want it to be in scum's hands, and they use it as an extra KPN. Notice I didn't ask WHO the gunsmith was. I'm asking if anyone has received guns to confirm the existence of the gunsmith, whether he's still alive, possibly, and that the appointee didn't just forget or something retarded like that.



There were two cleans, and four "kills".

Yes, which is also why I'm asking about the gunsmith tools. Scum might have gotten an extra KPN. I don't know what you're trying to ask here. That Biggs was not a student and that I'm just making this all up? He was missing from my night chat, so he was either jailed or devoured. I believe the latter.

Read the Devourer role card please. The Devourer can kill AND clean. Not him kill and then was cleaned by a janitor.



So, why don't you have any information for the town? You expect me to believe you're a citizen? You should have a few nights of information by now, and that would do the town a lot more than GAMBLING WIFOM. Why didn't your student hint anything about his chosen role, either? Hm.

Why? Because maybe the information I have, I do not deem useful enough for me to reveal at the moment. Why don't you ask the other 20 people here to reveal? Most of them probably have a night action, since all confirmed citizens are dead. That's right. Why haven't they revealed? Maybe because the information they have isn't quite so helpful yet and they're keeping their trap shut, like me.

Look, I'm not going to keep arguing with you whether I'm witch or not. And it's just ridiculous we're even hunting for the witch, when we need to lower the KPN, aka, lynch Wicket the devourer. Why aren't you hunting for the devourer instead, scum? That would be the quickest way to lower KPN. Biggs was fairly sure the devourer came from Vault 66.

[Rawne]

I know where the KPN went. What were you arguing?

The fact that you did nothing the last two days and suddenly today have become very active and fixed on one person to lynch while being condescending towards everyone else (all of which were more active and contribute more to day chat than you) is very telling. Very, very telling.

That aside, who else do you think is scum? I asked you once already to talk about your vault, which definitely has scum left. Opinions on Nina and Ross?

[Rawne]

Also, the devourer is definitely more dangerous than the witch anyways, seeing as it goes first in the OoO and has a definite 1 KPN, whereas the witch does not. If you want to lynch neutrals, go for him first.

I agree knowing if any guns have been handed out can be helpful; in the case the devourer doesn't get lynched, someone with a gun can shoot him at night, since it is NOT immune.

[Beru]

You didn't. Nice deflection, just kidding.

Yes, good job killing two sheriffs. I applaud your great judgement.

And what do you mean "opinions?" Jabba is student.

That leaves me, Jin, Boba, and Ross. Two of the set are scum.

N1 I Roleblocked Beru (Jin was the Tech) --> Ross or Nina killed someone. There was no clean.
N2 I Roleblocked Ross (Tech was Ross…. But I never got the response saying I got the Tech…. wait a second. Holy fuck… Unless Game Master fucked up, that means that Ross was not Tech on Night 2. If this is true, GET ROSS NOW for lying that he was TECH! He is pretending that he was Tech when he was not!) --> Jin, Nina, or I killed someone. There was a clean.

I am certain that Nina and Jin are scum, IFF Jin indeed was technician night one. I don't see how Ross can be scum if he was roleblocked N2.

[Beru]

Also, the devourer is definitely more dangerous than the witch anyways, seeing as it goes first in the OoO and has a definite 1 KPN, whereas the witch does not. If you want to lynch neutrals, go for him first.

I agree knowing if any guns have been handed out can be helpful; in the case the devourer doesn't get lynched, someone with a gun can shoot him at night, since it is NOT immune.

We have a confirmed Vigilante. He can shoot the Devourer, but he cannot do the same to the Witch without being gibbed.

[Rawne]

When I asked "opinions," I was asking whether you thought Nina, Jin, and Ross were scum or not. I see you've answered that. About N2 though; Boba roleblocked Ross. If Ross were indeed technician that night Boba claims he would have received a message that his action failed, since being technician is a roleblock in itself, correct? So did that question ever get asked?


We have a confirmed Vigilante. He can shoot the Devourer, but he cannot do the same to the Witch without being gibbed.

Do you mean Roger (who is now dead and used up both of his shots anyway on Heihachi and Bragg) or someone else?

[Mkoll]

You didn't. Nice deflection, just kidding.

Yes, good job killing two sheriffs. I applaud your great judgement.

And what do you mean "opinions?" Jabba is student.

That leaves me, Jin, Boba, and Ross. Two of the set are scum.

N1 I Roleblocked Beru (Jin was the Tech) --> Ross or Nina killed someone. There was no clean.
N2 I Roleblocked Ross (Tech was Ross…. But I never got the response saying I got the Tech…. wait a second. Holy fuck… Unless Game Master fucked up, that means that Ross was not Tech on Night 2. If this is true, GET ROSS NOW for lying that he was TECH! He is pretending that he was Tech when he was not!) --> Jin, Nina, or I killed someone. There was a clean.

I am certain that Nina and Jin are scum, IFF Jin indeed was technician night one. I don't see how Ross can be scum if he was roleblocked N2.
So you're claiming Escort, then?

[Mkoll]

So you're claiming Escort, then?
Fuck me, misread.
Ignore that.

[Mkoll]

You didn't. Nice deflection, just kidding.

Yes, good job killing two sheriffs. I applaud your great judgement.

And what do you mean "opinions?" Jabba is student.

That leaves me, Jin, Boba, and Ross. Two of the set are scum.

N1 I Roleblocked Beru (Jin was the Tech) --> Ross or Nina killed someone. There was no clean.
N2 I Roleblocked Ross (Tech was Ross…. But I never got the response saying I got the Tech…. wait a second. Holy fuck… Unless Game Master fucked up, that means that Ross was not Tech on Night 2. If this is true, GET ROSS NOW for lying that he was TECH! He is pretending that he was Tech when he was not!) --> Jin, Nina, or I killed someone. There was a clean.

I am certain that Nina and Jin are scum, IFF Jin indeed was technician night one. I don't see how Ross can be scum if he was roleblocked N2.
Good points here. I've had my eye (and my vote on occasion) on Nina the entire game. I feel like she's had a shit ton of evidence presented against her.
-vote Nina

Also, I feel like you just outed yourself as janitor. I think you and Nina are on the same mafia team & you're making a ploy to make it seem like you're FoSing her because you think she's fucked anyway.
Soooo
-Vote Beru
-Vote Romo ​for good measure.

[Paul]

Mkoll, you said you were attacked? That makes at least five KPN again, which seems to be the number we are stuck at. One red mafia, one orange mafia, a devourer, and two other sources of kills. Before it was the Vigi gun. Was last night a Veteran rifle? If there is a Serial Killer, we are still missing a KPN.

The amount of people getting interviewed is reaching ridiculous proportions (that's what, almost a quarter of all remaining players?). The Enclave hasn't even lost a goddamn member yet. Our best goal is to ditch the Devourer or the Brotherhood to decrease KPN.

And what the hell is going on with this whole witch business? Vader, did you seriously just reveal that you had a veteran assault rifle and that you haven't used it yet? Because if there is a witch, guess what's going to happen? Yeah, exactly. Smart move.

-free lynch Ross
-free lynch Nina
-free lynch Brees
-free lynch Vick
-free lynch Romo

The only one I'm not free lynching is Beru, because he posted already. You are all staying on my free lynch list until you post. None of this "hide in the shadows" bullshit. Post something worthwhile and contribute.

Wasn't Leia supposed to shoot Nina last night? Why didn't that happen?

As for the mafia visiting me, no, I did not receive a PM about any effects. Possible Consigliere? I don't think a Framer would target me...Lawyer? Actress? Dirty Sleuth? There's so little known about the remaining mafia roles.

Also, I'm concerned about Jabba/Mkoll. The Sheriff interview (Tebow?) has brought to light a possible problem: the Chairman. Mkoll could be the Chairman and Jabba could be in his secret club (this would explain Mkoll's invulnerability at night. Perhaps he wasn't healed). We'll never know until one of them dies and, if the club grows too large, we lose. This could explain all the lurkers: cultists never contribute. Vicks, Brees, suddenly Beru, Jin, Romo, and Wedge. All lurking scum who say nothing because we're lynching our own friggin' sheriffs.

[Leia]

Leia is now awake!

Leia believes that the double attack kills every night are from mafia double attacking with their regular kill and a gunsmith gun kill in order to ensure their target dies and would pierce a heal. Leia believes the gunsmith is mafia. If you are town and appointed the gunsmith, please tell us who you appointed. We should consider any person who does not claim gunsmith appointee and tell us who they appointed mafia as well.

Leia believes all free lunches should be made, because players who do not participate harm town. Lurking town will harm us in the end game, lurking scum must be punished. Leia also believes we should be able to free lynch Nina, as she has no incentive to change her behavior in daychat since she is able simply to interview and wiggle out of the lynch. I additionally found her answers unsatisfying and superficial. FMGM, please punish these players instead of enabling them! For future radio interviews I would like to submit the question: "If you had to guess the full mafia and neutral role list, what would it be, and why?" This question would be a lot more useful to me, personally, to see player connections than some of the more basic/generic questions asked in the past. The radio interviews should be HARD in order to discourage players from abusing the system and lurking and getting away with it.

By my calculations, right now we are at a crossroads. If Manning is amnesiac who remembered hitman, town gains a KPN. I would request Manning would give me a contract tonight since I am the only confirmed town who has claimed a role that does not mind being "roleblocked." we can come up with a small list of targets. I did not use my gunsmith gun last night, hoping to confirm the presence of a witch. In any case, if Manning offers me a contract, great! If Manning doesn't, I will shoot him!*

Has anyone been bussed recently? If not, I might suspect there is a kidnapper who has recently forgone bussing in order to perform mafia kills.

Also holy crap Paul. There is no room for Mkoll or myself to be a neutral due to confirmed neutral roles in the other vault role lists. How scummy of you.

[Paul]

Also holy crap Paul. There is no room for Mkoll or myself to be a neutral due to confirmed neutral roles in the other vault role lists. How scummy of you.

Excuse me? I never said you were a neutral. I thought you said you were going to shoot Nina yesterday. She's still alive. I was wondering why.

And where did this Leia come from? Speaking in third person? Wanting all the free lynches dead when just yesterday she was worried about free lynching Fluttershy?

And as far as I know, there is room for MKoll to be neutral: one amnesiac, one witch (assuming there actually is one), one devourer, one Chairman. Jabba wouldn't need to be student in this scenario.

[Monica]

-Vote Beru
-Vote Brees
-Vote Vick
-Vote Luke
I'm here to make your lynch easy. Yoshi was the enclave disguiser, and his only target the whole game has been Luke. As well as that, I got attacked and healed last night, probably by Enclave trying to prevent check. I can't see anyway this can be misinterpreted. Luke is Yoshii the disguiser.

[Mkoll]

Excuse me? I never said you were a neutral. I thought you said you were going to shoot Nina yesterday. She's still alive. I was wondering why.

And where did this Leia come from? Speaking in third person? Wanting all the free lynches dead when just yesterday she was worried about free lynching Fluttershy?
Leia has always spoken in third person.
If worse comes to worse Leia laid a last will check at one point & I'll have her confirm it. I don't think she's been disguised, though. Her mannerisms line up just as they have since day 1.

And as far as I know, there is room for MKoll to be neutral: one amnesiac, one witch (assuming there actually is one), one devourer, one Chairman. Jabba wouldn't need to be student in this scenario.
When you look solely at the role list, you're right, there's room for me to be neutral. I have worked as hard as anyone for town in this game so far, being very much on board for scum lynching & even leading a train on scum myself. I've worked as hard for town as anyone in this game so far, though, and it shows because of the attack on me last night.
Like I said before, though, I've still got a vest though, so I'm not worried about it.
I need at least 2 characters outside of the quote so here ya go, ya picky ass message board.

[Mkoll]

-Vote Beru
-Vote Brees
-Vote Vick
-Vote Luke
I'm here to make your lynch easy. Yoshi was the enclave disguiser, and his only target the whole game has been Luke. As well as that, I got attacked and healed last night, probably by Enclave trying to prevent check. I can't see anyway this can be misinterpreted. Luke is Yoshii the disguiser.
We need a red mafia kill. You're a goddess, Monica.
-unvote Nina
-vote Luke

[Rawne]

Leia believes all freelunches should be made

Yummy :D

Paul, the posted roles lists for the vaults had, for neutrals:

Vault 103: 1 confirmed
Vault 37: 1 confirmed
Vault 5: 1 confirmed
Vault 21: 1 confirmed
Vault 66: 2 confirmed
Vault 9: 1 confirmed

There are only 7 total neutrals in the game. Since Larkin was lynched, there cannot be another neutral in Vault 103. The only possible suspects for chairman at this point would be Jabba and Biggs. Biggs is dead. Right now I don't think the chairman constitutes a strong enough threat because the maximum number of people he could have recruited at this point is 4. How many people are left? Thirty?

Also there are only 3 people left who can answer the gunsmith appointee query: Han, Romo, and Vader. Vader says it's not him. The other two have yet to post.

[Rawne]

-Vote Beru
-Vote Brees
-Vote Vick
-Vote Luke
I'm here to make your lynch easy. Yoshi was the enclave disguiser, and his only target the whole game has been Luke. As well as that, I got attacked and healed last night, probably by Enclave trying to prevent check. I can't see anyway this can be misinterpreted. Luke is Yoshii the disguiser.
...wow. His posting style, looking back through them and Yoshimitsu's, barely changed, so I didn't suspect it, but, wow. That makes me the sole scumhunter of Vault 21. Ugh.

-vote Luke

[Rawne]

...wow. His posting style, looking back through them and Yoshimitsu's, barely changed, so I didn't suspect it, but, wow. That makes me the sole scumhunter of Vault 21. Ugh.

-vote Luke

Forgot to bolden it, in case it's not counted.

-vote Luke

[Rawne]

Also this means the Devourer has one more kill&clean it can use. We definitely need Monica around.

[Paul]

-vote Luke

At least we have scum confirmation. Doctor should heal Monica tonight because of all the damn question marks in the graveyard.

WIFOM heal Leia and Rodgers, of course.

[Rawne]

I have something to ask, Monica: when you checked Yoshimitsu, you got his night actions and role and not Luke's, correct? If so, I guess we'll never find out Luke's role... :/ Did you find a last will, by any chance?

[Rawne]

(by Luke I mean Luke before N4, of course)

[Jabba]

I forgot to mention that I was technician night 1 for my vault.
Didn't mention it because I wanted to cause chaos.

[Gaunt]

Very interesting results Monica, I would not have expected that. Both Luke and Yoshimitsu do share intelligent and similar posting styles so Luke is a natural choice for Yoshimitsu to disguise as. I am not going to vote until I hear more evidence however as there is something in the back of my mind that doubts this. It just feels too perfect.

[Gaunt]

Bleh all of these free lynch votes are confusing me, tally time! Hopefully I don't end up like the last tally keeper.

Now then to make a tally. First thing is to figure out how many votes to lynch.

Chandler(Citizen) - died night 1 in Vault 37, Murdered by traitorous Strike Force members in the vault.
Chewbacca(Saboteur) - died night 1 in Vault 103, Killed at night by strike force members.
Eddy(Enchantress) - died night 1 in Vault 21, Killed during the night.
Hayley(Citizen) - died night 1 in Vault 5, Shot herself during a game of Russian Roulette.
Heihachi(Citizen) - died night 1 in Vault 9, Killed by a Mysterious Stranger.
Rachel(Detective) - died night 1 in Vault 66, Executed via decapitation.
Stan(Fabricator) - died day 2 in Vault 103, Lynched by insane vault members, driven crazy by the sounds...
Greedo(Citizen) - died night 2 in Vault 103, Cut down in a frenzy by a traitorous strike force.
Owen(Citizen) - died night 2 in Vault 21, Killed during the night.
Steve(Citizen) - died night 2 in Vault 5, Tried to be manly, but ended up shooting himself in front of his lover.
Yoda(???) - died night 2 in Vault 37, Went missing, he did.
Ben(Puppet) - died day 3 in Vault 66, Lynched.
King(Consort) - died day 3 in Vault 103, Lynched by insane vault members.
Ackbar(???) - died night 3 in Vault 5, Ate a poisoned melon and was left behind.
Brostin (Sheriff): Committed suicide like a demented fool, by running naked into a turret. [Day 4]
Larkin (Arms Dealer): Exiled into the valley to be killed by the base defence systems. [Day 4]
Bragg (Ventriloquist): Killed by a Mysterious Stranger... [Night 4]
Lei (Puppet): Committed suicide. [Night 4]
Yoshimitsu (???): Went missing, mysteriously, leaving no trace of his role. [Night 4]
Lando (Sheriff): Killed and maimed by multiple sources. [Night 4]
Phoebe (Bodyguard): Gunned down in a duel. [Night 4]
Fluttershy (Sheriff): Vaporised by a vertibird rotor. [Day 5]
Francine (Corrupt Journalist): Shot by Boone, the NCR Marksman overlooking the courtyard. [Day 5]
Boba (Escort): Found lying in the courtyard, having been attacked by multiple sources. [Night 5]
Biggs (???): Disappeared under mysterious circumstances. [Night 5]
Roger (???): Disappeared under circumstances which were just as mysterious. [Night 5]

26 dead -2 puppets = 24 dead. Original playerbase was 52 so there are 26 players alive. That means it is 13 to lynch regardless of if the Enclave has a ventriloquist or not. Luna said the free lynch requirment were majority -3 which puts the number of death for the lurkers at 10 votes, the votes are as follows.

Lynch tally:
Luke (4): Monica, Mkoll, Rawne, Paul

Free Lynch tally:
beru (6) Rawne, Luke, Vader, Mkoll, Paul, Monica
brees (6) Rawne, Luke, Vader, Gaunt, Paul, Monica
romo (4) brady, Vader, Mkoll, Paul
ross (2) Vader, Paul
vick (4) Gaunt, Luke, Paul, Monica

Remember to vote Brees and Vick for free lynch. It helps us eliminate the brotherhood by weeding out suspects of a confirmed brotherhood vault who don't contribute anything.

Also I would advise against lynching Beru since he is actually contributing now but I don't really mind either way.

[Mkoll]

-vote Brees
-vote Vick

[Mkoll]

Lynch tally:
Luke (4): Monica, Mkoll, Rawne, Paul

Free Lynch tally:
beru (6) Rawne, Luke, Vader, Mkoll, Paul, Monica
brees (7) Rawne, Luke, Vader, Gaunt, Paul, Monica, Mkoll
romo (4) brady, Vader, Mkoll, Paul
ross (2) Vader, Paul
vick (5) Gaunt, Luke, Paul, Monica, Mkoll

[Jin]

I forgot to mention that I was technician night 1 for my vault.
Didn't mention it because I wanted to cause chaos.

*************************************
And *************** everybody was saying I was the technician *******
************************ *** .

I ****

And this is why i hate Jabba and want him killed no matter what.

[Jin]

-free lynch beru
-free lynch brees
-free lynch romo
-free lynch ross
-free lynch vick

When someone goes lurkamaggeddon, It SERIOUSLY hurts town, wheteher they are town, neu, or mafia.

[Leia]

-vote Luke

Brother, you have turned to the dark side.
If Yoshimitsu was red disguiser then perhaps my theory of Ackbar, Yoshimitsu, and Brady being mafia is true. I'll vote to free lynch in the next 12 hours or so if the players don't appear with very good excuses. I don't understand why people don't want to lynch Romo and Ross. I have to update and review my notes, but I'll post more later when I get off work.

Tarkin's not off the hook yet in my opinion. Spy is a convenient alibi since mafia will not kill him, having used up his three charges; convenient for a mafia to explain why he is not being attacked. I believe him for now, but erring on the side of skepticism. Let's get this sorted out the technician claims. Why did Ross claim tech if he was clearly not in Beru's last will. Ross please answer or you may be a good target for a hitman or gunshot.

Also the gunsmith almost certainly went to scum. Just repeating this for emphasis.

[Jin]

-vote Nina

[Han]

i get the sinking feeling that most of the freelynches are going to be town. and I resent being called a lurker thanks

[Han]

-vote Luke

Luke you were meant to bring balance to the force not leave it in darkness

[Han]

-free lynch beru
-free lynch brees
-free lynch romo
-free lynch ross
-free lynch vick

When someone goes lurkamaggeddon, It SERIOUSLY hurts town, wheteher they are town, neu, or mafia.

yeah i guess you're right since then we have more roles taken out of the picture it gives us more info etc.

[Jin]

Here are are a few illuminating facts about vault 37:

Players
Beru
Boba - Escort
Brostin -Sheriff (unknown sanity)
Chandler -Citizen
Jabba - student?
Jin
Nina
Ross
Yoda - ???

Role List

Hidden Enclave/Janitor
Hidden Neutral - Jabba
Hidden NCR -Brostin
Hidden NCR -Boba
Hidden NCR - Yoda?
Citizen -Chandler
Hidden Any - Enclave member
Hidden Any
Hidden Any

Of the 4 players who have yet to claim:
Jin (me)
Ross
Nina
Beru

you have a 1/2 chance of hitting scum if you lynch from the above.:idea:

[Mkoll]

Here are are a few illuminating facts about vault 37:

Players
Beru
Boba - Escort
Brostin -Sheriff (unknown sanity)
Chandler -Citizen
Jabba - student?
Jin
Nina
Ross
Yoda - ???

Role List

Hidden Enclave/Janitor
Hidden Neutral - Jabba
Hidden NCR -Brostin
Hidden NCR -Boba
Hidden NCR - Yoda?
Citizen -Chandler
Hidden Any - Enclave member
Hidden Any
Hidden Any

Of the 4 players who have yet to claim:
Jin (me)
Ross
Nina
Beru

you have a 1/2 chance of hitting scum if you lynch from the above.:idea:
Very good point.
I think our best chance is to freelynch Ross & Beru and see where it goes from there.
-vote Ross
Don't forget to put your vote on Luke. He's 95% guaranteed scum.

Lynch tally:
Luke (6): Monica, Mkoll, Rawne, Paul, Leia, An
Nina (1): Jin

Free Lynch tally:
Beru (7) Rawne, Luke, Vader, Mkoll, Paul, Monica, Jin
Brees (8) Rawne, Luke, Vader, Gaunt, Paul, Monica, Mkoll, Jin
Romo (5) brady, Vader, Mkoll, Paul, Jin
Ross (4) Vader, Paul, Jin, Mkoll
Vick (6) Gaunt, Luke, Paul, Monica, Mkoll, Jin



yeah i guess you're right since then we have more roles taken out of the picture it gives us more info etc.
You say that, and then you don't vote to freelynch any of them.
Fucking scum, much?

[Mkoll]

FUCK
SMILEYS

[Han]

was just about to do it but im always hesitant to lynch. would you have me do it now, your highness?

[Han]

-free lynch beru
-free lynch brees
-free lynch romo
-free lynch ross
-free lynch vick

fuk yo marquee :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[Han]

anyway look at you who is only voting one of them lol

[Mkoll]

anyway look at you who is only voting one of them lol
Read the tally closer, friend.


You don't fuck marquee.

Marquee


Fucks





YOU YOUR MOM

[Jin]

-vote Luke

I think this is what Yoda would say about this:


Side dark, Luke has.
Upset, Yoda is.


Also, Boba(dead escort) should realize that the informing about visiting tech only applies if you're trying to murder him/her.

Mostly, I'm worried that my vault is about to be taken over by scum.

[Jin]

-vote Luke

Forgot to format properly, my bad.

Only because Luke>Nina on the scummyness.

[Ross]

Hi guys, I am posting right before I go to work. So I won't be able to respond to any questions. Anyway, my role is Lookout.
N1 Yoda
N2 (I was tech)
N3 (Can't do anything)
N4 Wicket
N5 Boba
N6 Law

And NO ONE VISITED ANY OF MY TARGETS. I always seem to pick the loners >.>

Anyway I have to go now. Sorry about being useless.

[Nina]

Hi guys
Last night I was abducted by aliens and released.
What does it mean? May Yayap be trolling me or did this happen to anyone else?

Also stop trying to free-lynch me, I assure you i'm not available for that, and even if I was, you wouldn't be doing yourself a favour.
Did Mkoll claim a role btw? Surviving a night by vest is rather suspicious, as well as backing up Jabba now. I assure you I'm not mafia, but two people from our vault have to be.

[Law]

-Vote Luke

I must admit, Luke was not on my list of people that Yoshimitsu had potentially disguised as. Nice play Yoshmitsu.

As for the free-lynches, I will wait until the end of the day before I vote, like last time. We should allow the free-lynch targets a chance to at least give us a reason to keep them alive.

[Law]

This is just semantics, but Manning can you please confirm the legitimacy of Monica's coroner claim? Did you take Yoda's role and was he in fact a hitman?

[Klaus]

Klaus is here, ja!

Reading through thread now, but Klaus find something:


Hi guys, I am posting right before I go to work. So I won't be able to respond to any questions. Anyway, my role is Lookout.
N1 Yoda
N2 (I was tech)
N3 (Can't do anything)
N4 Wicket
N5 Boba
N6 Law

And NO ONE VISITED ANY OF MY TARGETS. I always seem to pick the loners >.>

Anyway I have to go now. Sorry about being useless.

You visit Law in the future, ja?

Night 6 haz not happen yet.

-vote Ross

[Brady]

lol why are we lynching the obvious disguiser

if anything we should make the hitman kill that nigga

u pro FM kids said we should lower the kpn

namely by killing the DEvoorer

wehich is btw Klaus/Paul/Wicket

1/3 chanse motha fucka ------------------------------------------------------vote Wicket

also


>claiming lookout

-vote Ross

[Rawne]

The problem with trying to lynch the devourer is nobody is 100% sure who it is. You say it's Wicket, but where's the proof? If we mislynch, then we end up in a much worse situation than from lynching Luke.

Also lol at Ross claiming to do something N6

-freelynch Ross



Still waiting on Vick to post before I freelynch him, as he was helpful when he was active. Also have no idea on Romo.

@Nina: I have no idea what the "abducted by aliens" means. Maybe it was for the radio free interview? That's the only thing I can think of, unless...did you participate in a night chat?

Also, Mkoll either got vests from Larkin, or there's an armoursmith in the game. Or both. If he's not a role with vests. He can't be a survivor or any other neutral.

@Han: Any info on who the gunsmith ability went to? Or at least who appointed him?

[Han]

slipup much? Add him to the scum list, please. We can lynch him now, if you want, since there's not much the disguiser can do once he's disguised - especially if we already know who he is.

I think that Ross is prob a neutral, it seems like something a loner would do and not someone being looked after by a mafia team. It's so easy to disprove...

but what if hes a jester?

oh yeah we can freelynch lol. im pretty sure i voted for Ross already.

[Han]

believe it or not i forgot to vote for a gunsmith. just goes to show how little time i have on my hands.

[Ross]

Oh shit. Lol. I was planning to watch Law tonight. Guess I'm not going to do that. Got my imaginary notes mixed up with my results. To be honest, free lynching me probably won't do you guys a lot of harm. I am not going to be very active at all. I need to apologize to Luna for afking in her game :(

[Ross]

Now back to work for me.

[Rawne]

If Ross is the neutral from his vault, then Jabba is lying and so is Mkoll about being his mentor (every neutral is accounted for in all of the vaults' roles lists). I think Ross is scum given that there is evidence suggesting he was not, in fact, technician N2 (although that's something Jin disputes), and that if he really did watch Boba N5 he would he found out the identity of at least 2 people. Plus his list of night actions is wrong anyway with N6.

Ross, Boba was killed last night by at least 2 people. Who were they?

I'm guessing you weren't the gunsmith appointee then, Han?

[Han]

No, i think it was either lando or vader maybe lando forgot to say it or something but its pretty much vader or no one.

at this stage there's no point in not lynching ross because it's a FREE lynch. why not? hes not town anyway

[Manning]

I remembered to be like Yoshimitsu. I am now a Bus Driver

[Gaunt]

Given we are an adequate amount of time into the day, -vote romo

both Beru and Ross have posted so I shall grant them mercy and a second chance to be active.

Also I think we should wait for Luke's defence before we lynch him.

[Brady]

I remembered to be like Yoshimitsu. I am now a Bus Driver

you what nigga

what

hello amnesiac disguiser

-vote manning

[Gaunt]

I remembered to be like Yoshimitsu. I am now a Bus Driver

If someone remembered the role a disguiser left his body in would they become the role of the disguiser or the person they disguised as?

[Manning]

Sorry I've been absent. Forgot about Day start yesterday; I'm here now.

[Manning]

If someone remembered the role a disguiser left his body in would they become the role of the disguiser or the person they disguised as?

Seeing as the disguiser would still be alive, it's probably the person they disguised as.

[Manning]

This would also mean that the read that Monica got means that either the bus driver had been targeting luke and someone else she's not mentioning, or that she's full of shit. If the disguiser's alive, how the hell are you going to see the night actions of the disguiser with coroner?


If coroner targets the body the disguiser left, does the coroner see the night actions of the disguiser or the role of the person they have been disguised as?

[Brady]

O Wow Ok That Makes More Sense

-unvote$$$$$$$$$

fuck me.

[Tarkin]

If someone remembered the role a disguiser left his body in would they become the role of the disguiser or the person they disguised as?

We need the answer to this question. If amne would become Disguiser, then we should lynch Manning today before he can disguise and get away tonight. It would also prove Monica as the coroner just as well as lynching Luke.

If Amne becomes the disguised person's role, which seems more likely, then all's well; we had either a Bus Driver or a kidnapper in our vault. Looks like it was Luke.

[Tarkin]

This would also mean that the read that Monica got means that either the bus driver had been targeting luke and someone else she's not mentioning, or that she's full of shit. If the disguiser's alive, how the hell are you going to see the night actions of the disguiser with coroner?


If coroner targets the body the disguiser left, does the coroner see the night actions of the disguiser or the role of the person they have been disguised as?

If my theory is correct, the way disguising works is it simply switches the roles of the two accounts, but leaves previous night actions untouched. Thus Yoshi would appear as a bus driver that only ever targeted 1 person, and Luke would appear as a Disguiser that's been targeting two people since N1 XD.

We need the FMGM to confirm, though.

[Manning]

If my theory is correct, the way disguising works is it simply switches the roles of the two accounts, but leaves previous night actions untouched. Thus Yoshi would appear as a bus driver that only ever targeted 1 person, and Luke would appear as a Disguiser that's been targeting two people since N1 XD.

We need the FMGM to confirm, though.

Both are currently offline. Looks like we wait. I've attempted to notify them of these questions.

[Han]

very interesting but tell me why did we have amnesiac remember Yoshi who was susp of being disguiser? I thought we were trying to get him to remember a hitman

even if he IS a bus driver now we lost a potential extra KPN against the scum.


on another not has ANYONE received a gun? i think the gunsmith may be dead.

[Law]

I highly doubt Yoshimitsu was bus driver. Not a single person from my Vault was bussed (at least no one claimed to have been). Brady, what role did Yoshimitsu claim to you in melon roulette?

[Manning]

very interesting but tell me why did we have amnesiac remember Yoshi who was susp of being disguiser? I thought we were trying to get him to remember a hitman

even if he IS a bus driver now we lost a potential extra KPN against the scum.


on another not has ANYONE received a gun? i think the gunsmith may be dead.

Simple: I had no reason to give my allegiance to any one faction, until I decided to remember a role. I decided to help everyone out by remembering to be someone who had been cleaned; I was also curious as to whom he was. As the amnesiac I was potentially one of the most dangerous roles in the game, and decided I would do what I wanted quickly to reduce my chances of being offed at night prematurely.

TBH I don't really know why I've been allowed to live. Amnesiacs are dangerous roles.

[Manning]

I highly doubt Yoshimitsu was bus driver. Not a single person from my Vault was bussed (at least no one claimed to have been). Brady, what role did Yoshimitsu claim to you in melon roulette?

If yoshimitsu was not bus driver, then he had to have been a disguiser that swapped roles.

[Tarkin]

In hindsight, it's probably better than we didn't have him become Hitman. The witch would then have easily witched him to target herself, and then she would have 3 more night kills.


Both are currently offline. Looks like we wait. I've attempted to notify them of these questions.

While you're at it, notify them of my question about whether Boba would have received a feedback message if he had roleblocked the Technician. They never responded to that.

[Manning]

At any rate, this means the disguiser is still alive, and I could only remember the roles of those in the graveyard. In the even that the disguiser swaps bodies, the disguiser role isn't suddenly attributed to two people! That would be imba as fawk

[Manning]

In hindsight, it's probably better than we didn't have him become Hitman. The witch would then have easily witched him to target herself, and then she would have 3 more night kills.



While you're at it, notify them of my question about whether Boba would have received a feedback message if he had roleblocked the Technician. They never responded to that.

Will do.

[Ross]

Oh I forgot to clarify this.
I observed Yoda N1, no one visited him.
Night 2 I was technician.
Night 3 we had no night actions
Night 4 I planned to observe Wicket, then I changed my action to watch over Boba
Night 5 I observed Law

It's so hard to track my actions with the Sent Messages.
People seem to think I am a neutral. I can understand why. If I looked at my behavior in this game, my guess would be that I'm a neutral. Certainly not one of my brightest moments. Now that the moment has passed, I am to back to work.

P.s. Lol, I'll bet you all think I'm jester with the whole "I observed Boba n4 not n5, oops" mess up. It's funny how hard I derped here.

[Han]

If my theory is correct, the way disguising works is it simply switches the roles of the two accounts, but leaves previous night actions untouched. Thus Yoshi would appear as a bus driver that only ever targeted 1 person, and Luke would appear as a Disguiser that's been targeting two people since N1 XD.

We need the FMGM to confirm, though.

but then what happens if coroner investigates a cleaned disguiser "kill"? isn't coroner meant to always find the truth because his ability is so niche? i would think coroner would see that its actually disguiser kill and that amnes would actually become mafia but im just not sure now.

[Han]

while its possible that ross just forgot or something i think he's just made a massive slip up here.

[Han]

I highly doubt Yoshimitsu was bus driver. Not a single person from my Vault was bussed (at least no one claimed to have been). Brady, what role did Yoshimitsu claim to you in melon roulette?

no, we're talking about if LUKE was the bus driver, would the amnesiac become a bus driver from remembering Yoshi's "role".

[Rawne]

I highly doubt Yoshimitsu was bus driver. Not a single person from my Vault was bussed (at least no one claimed to have been). Brady, what role did Yoshimitsu claim to you in melon roulette?

If he were the disguiser and took Luke's identity, then it would seem that Luke was the bus driver who had his identity stolen by Yoshimitsu. Luke was from the vault that had people being bussed, so it makes sense there.

What I'm surprised at is that he did something N1 despite not responding to the radio free interview that night (we free lynched him the following day).

[Tarkin]

In hindsight, it's probably better than we didn't have him become Hitman. The witch would then have easily witched him to target herself, and then she would have 3 more night kills.

EDIT: I reread the Hitman's rolecard. Apparently he offers his services during the day, not at night, so the witch would just control his kill target, not who he offers his services to. I was confused because in the OoO, it shows the Hitman offering his contract as coming after the witch controls. I guess this just meant for the Hitman going to kill whoever his contractor told him to.



While you're at it, notify them of my question about whether Boba would have received a feedback message if he had roleblocked the Technician. They never responded to that.

Edited.

[Beru]

If Ross is the neutral from his vault, then Jabba is lying and so is Mkoll about being his mentor (every neutral is accounted for in all of the vaults' roles lists). I think Ross is scum given that there is evidence suggesting he was not, in fact, technician N2 (although that's something Jin disputes), and that if he really did watch Boba N5 he would he found out the identity of at least 2 people. Plus his list of night actions is wrong anyway with N6.

Ross, Boba was killed last night by at least 2 people. Who were they?

I'm guessing you weren't the gunsmith appointee then, Han?

I don't think you understand, Ross is very unlikely to be scum either way. There was a clean and a kill when Ross was blocked.

I'm quite positive that it is Jin and Nina from Boba's last will.

[Han]

until luna answers us we should assume manning is a second disguiser now.

[Rawne]

I don't think you understand, Ross is very unlikely to be scum either way. There was a clean and a kill when Ross was blocked.

I'm quite positive that it is Jin and Nina from Boba's last will.

I probably did. Either way, someone asked a question about whether a roleblocker would receive a message saying he blocked the technician or not. That should hopefully resolve this mess.

[Law]

It is very possible that Manning took one of the Brotherhood roles from the graveyard (or maybe took an Enclave role that had been cleaned) and is now trying to prevent us from lynching his teammate.

I'm going to keep my vote on Luke until I see a definitive reason to unvote him.

[Forum Mafia GM]

If someone remembered the role a disguiser left his body in would they become the role of the disguiser or the person they disguised as?
They would become a Disguiser.

If coroner targets the body the disguiser left, does the coroner see the night actions of the disguiser or the role of the person they have been disguised as?
The Coroner will see the Disguiser's role and all targets that the Disguiser visited at night. If the Coroner visits a player who was disguised into, the Coroner will be given his target's original role and targets alongside the Disguiser role and targets.

These questions will appear in the FAQ.

[Manning]

It is very possible that Manning took one of the Brotherhood roles from the graveyard (or maybe took an Enclave role that had been cleaned) and is now trying to prevent us from lynching his teammate.

I'm going to keep my vote on Luke until I see a definitive reason to unvote him.

I'm not trying to keep you from voting anyone. I'm merely stating the facts behind the reason I would be bus driver. Go ahead and lynch luke; I don't really care.

I'll help you!

-vote Luke

[Manning]

Hmm. Guess that means that yoshimitsu wasn't originally a disguiser.

Since my case looks bad, go ahead and lynch me; it might clear up some issues with the town.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Is it true that Boba would have received a feedback message if he had blocked the Technician?

The information that the members of Vault 37 posted said that the feedback message only applied to people that tried to kill the Technician.

[Klaus]

Klaus Tally

Vader {1}: Beru (#40)
Luke {9}: Monica (#59), Mkoll (#61), Rawne (#64), Paul (#66), Leia (#76), Han (#79), Jin (#89), Law (#92), Manning (#132)



Free-lynch Votes

Beru {7}: Rawne (#6), Luke ( #8 ), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Monica (#59), Jin (#75), Han (#85)
Brees {9}: Rawne (#6), Luke ( #8 ), Vader (#14), Gaunt ( #18 ), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85)
Ross {8}: Rawne (#9), Vader (#14), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Klaus (#94), Brady (#95), Rawne (#96)
Romo {7}: Brady (#13), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Gaunt (#104)
Vick {7}: Gaunt ( #18 ), Luke (#20), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85)

[Manning]

Hmm. Guess that means that yoshimitsu wasn't originally a disguiser.

Since my case looks bad, go ahead and lynch me; it might clear up some issues with the town.

My case has always been complete honesty. I am aligned with town; for whatever it's worth, I AM A BUS DRIVER.

[Manning]

-free lynch Beru, Brees, Ross, Romo, and Vick

[Klaus]

Sorry Klaus was gone for a bit, had to make dinner.

Klaus is confused over zhe amnesiac/coroner mechanics. If Monica check Yoshi and he came up disguiser, zhen would not Manning be disguiser if he took over Yoshi's role? Why did Manning not take confirmed Hitman Yoda's role? Why risk taking unknown role which Monica said she would check?

Why you tell us to lynch you? If you are town that would be stupid.

Based on information, Luke is Disguiser and Manning is Bus Driver? That does not make much sense. Someone is lying.

[Rawne]

Lol, looks like I voted Ross twice. Fix that please.

So based on what FMGM says, what Monica received from her night action makes sense, while I assume the first question (which isn't worded well to be frank about it) means if the Amnesiac targets whichever body the Disguiser died in Amnesiac becomes Disguiser, while targeting his original body gets the other person's role. Is this right?

Either way Luke is scum.

[Klaus]

Also, Ross lied about night actions and zhen tried to change them to make them work, ja? No way he is town.

[Klaus]

Fixed.

Klaus Tally

Vader {1}: Beru (#40)
Luke {9}: Monica (#59), Mkoll (#61), Rawne (#64), Paul (#66), Leia (#76), Han (#79), Jin (#89), Law (#92), Manning (#132)



Free-lynch Votes

Beru {8}: Rawne (#6), Luke ( #8 ), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Monica (#59), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Manning (#137)
Brees {10}: Rawne (#6), Luke ( #8 ), Vader (#14), Gaunt ( #18 ), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Manning (#137)
Ross {8}: Rawne (#9), Vader (#14), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Klaus (#94), Brady (#95), Manning (#137)
Romo {8}: Brady (#13), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Gaunt (#104), Manning (#137)
Vick {8}: Gaunt ( #18 ), Luke (#20), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Manning (#137)

[Manning]

Why you tell us to lynch you? If you are town that would be stupid.


Because it's probably going to happen anyway. There's a HUGE misunderstanding somewhere.

[Beru]

Well, I guess no one wants to reduce KPN/Chaos by getting rid of the Devourer and the Witch, so I guess I am forced to vote for the Disguiser, even though I believe he's not much of a threat at this point. I'm pretty sure that there is a second Disguiser out there, however. (He's still not as much as of a priority as either of the evil neutrals.)

-vote Luke

[Ross]

free lynching 5 people is pretty bad for town. Just saying.
Too tired to beg for mercy.
Have fun town.

[Gaunt]

well this is interesting especially with mannings bus driver claim. I think the only way we can determine who is telling the truth is to lynch Luke. Tomorrow things will be a lot clearer.

-vote luke

[Manning]

To clarify, if the amnesiac targets the ORIGINAL BODY OF THE DISGUISER AFTER HE HAS USED HIS ABILITY, does he become the role of the disguiser, or the role of the disguiser's target?

[Tarkin]

If someone remembered the role a disguiser left his body in would they become the role of the disguiser or the person they disguised as?
They would become a Disguiser.

If coroner targets the body the disguiser left, does the coroner see the night actions of the disguiser or the role of the person they have been disguised as?
The Coroner will see the Disguiser's role and all targets that the Disguiser visited at night. If the Coroner visits a player who was disguised into, the Coroner will be given his target's original role and targets alongside the Disguiser role and targets.

These questions will appear in the FAQ.

With this information, we should lynch Manning. If he flips Bus Driver, then Monica is lying about being Coroner and we don't want to lynch Luke.

If he flips disguiser, then we stopped him from escaping, and Luke also must be Disguiser.

If we lynch Luke first and he flips Disguiser, then Manning disguises tonight and escapes.

If he flips something else, then we've potentially lost another Town PR, and we know Monica is lying.

Since no one was bussed in Yoshi's vault, it's most likely that Yoshi actually was the disguiser that disguised as Luke, and that Manning was hoping to get away with a Bus Driver claim in the hopes that we would think that he takes the role of the disguised person, not the disguiser.

-vote Manning

[Manning]

Ross is right. But the people who are up for free lynch need to stop being dipshits.

-unvote free lynch ALL

[Klaus]

Because it's probably going to happen anyway. There's a HUGE misunderstanding somewhere.

But then should we not lynch you instead? If you become ze disguiser then you can disguise tonight. But Luke cannot disguise again because he already disguised if Monica is telling the truth.

[Manning]

To clarify, if the amnesiac targets the ORIGINAL BODY OF THE DISGUISER AFTER HE HAS USED HIS ABILITY, does he become the role of the disguiser, or the role of the disguiser's target?

To specify, are the mechanics identical to SC2 Mafia rules?

[Rodgers]

so leia, u still think im SCUM?! keep trying to get me shot...i find TWO scum so far.

i checked beru last night becuz he was lurking scum. he came up not suspicious. my scum hunting powers fail me :(

i will avenge u head-vigi!!!!! :evil:

[Manning]

But then should we not lynch you instead? If you become ze disguiser then you can disguise tonight. But Luke cannot disguise again because he already disguised if Monica is telling the truth.

I'm awaiting additional clarification on the matter, to remove all doubt. That first question WAS worded poorly.

[Klaus]

so leia, u still think im SCUM?! keep trying to get me shot...i find TWO scum so far.


You did zeem fairly scummy though. With ze lynch on Francine, zat gives us five sheriffs if Tebow is telling the truth.

If Beru is clean, zhen we can narrow down the pool in his vault to Nina, Jin, and Ross, especially after Jabba claim he was the one who was technician.


free lynching 5 people is pretty bad for town. Just saying.
Too tired to beg for mercy.
Have fun town.

Why did you not post anything for several days? Why did you fail at giving us your correct night actions? Surely you would not have been so wrong in posting your actions if you were actually the lookout. Klaus just cannot understand it unless you are scum and with Beru cleared, it falls to you, Nina, and Jin to be scum. Klaus suspect zat it is you and Nina.

[Rawne]

-unvote Beru

[Ross]

You did zeem fairly scummy though. With ze lynch on Francine, zat gives us five sheriffs if Tebow is telling the truth.

If Beru is clean, zhen we can narrow down the pool in his vault to Nina, Jin, and Ross, especially after Jabba claim he was the one who was technician.



Why did you not post anything for several days? Why did you fail at giving us your correct night actions? Surely you would not have been so wrong in posting your actions if you were actually the lookout. Klaus just cannot understand it unless you are scum and with Beru cleared, it falls to you, Nina, and Jin to be scum. Klaus suspect zat it is you and Nina.

Simple. Because I posted the results right before I went to work. So I was rushed. I didn't post for several days because I was away dealing with real life. I asked to be replaced but Luna has no replacement. Is that good for you Mr. Holmes?

[Law]

Either Monica or Manning are lying, or one or both of their results are not accurate.

To recap the situation:

Day 5

-Monica comes forth with a pretty legitimate coroner claim, and reveals that Yoda was a hitman.
-Manning claims amnesiac, and most people agree he should take Yoda's hitman role.
-Monica states that she is going to check Yoshimitsu the coming night. It is assumed he was a disguiser.

Day 6

-Monica states that Yoshimitsu was disguiser and his only target was Luke.
-Manning claims to have purposefully taken Yoshimitsu's role, and that he is now a bus driver.


If Manning did in fact take Yoshimitsu's role last night, it was about the scummiest thing he could have done. He could have helped the town a great deal last night if he had remembered Yoda's role by confirming Monica's claim and adding a KPN for the town, but instead he decided to try and remember the role of a player whose role was unknown (but assumed to be scum). It's pretty obvious Manning was attempting to join the mafia last night, and therefore I do not trust anything he says.

Monica on the other hand, came forth with a very legitimate sounding claim yesterday, and has not displayed any behavior so far to cause me to distrust her.

What all this means in determining who is the better lynch target, I am not sure. For now I will keep my vote on Luke while I think it over.

[Forum Mafia GM]

To clarify, if the amnesiac targets the ORIGINAL BODY OF THE DISGUISER AFTER HE HAS USED HIS ABILITY, does he become the role of the disguiser, or the role of the disguiser's target?

He becomes a Disguiser. There is no swapping involved, the Disguiser's original account is completely inert and will only ever be seen as a Disguiser by Coroners and Amnesiacs.

[Klaus]

Tally never going to be updated at zhis rate. So many votes...

Klaus Tally

Vader {1}: Beru (#40)
Luke {11}: Monica (#59), Mkoll (#61), Rawne (#64), Paul (#66), Leia (#76), Han (#79), Jin (#89), Law (#92), Manning (#132), Beru (#143), Gaunt (#145)
Manning {1}: Tarkin (#147)



Free-lynch Votes

Beru {6}: Luke ( #8 ), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Monica (#59), Jin (#75), Han (#85)
Brees {9}: Rawne (#6), Luke ( #8 ), Vader (#14), Gaunt ( #18 ), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85)
Ross {7}: Rawne (#9), Vader (#14), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Klaus (#94), Brady (#95)
Romo {7}: Brady (#13), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Gaunt (#104)
Vick {7}: Gaunt ( #18 ), Luke (#20), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85)

[Brees]

-free lynch Bress

[Brees]

-free lynch Brees

[Forum Mafia GM]

Beru has 16 posts already today which should be taken into account. Any of the free-lynch victims that are among the top few posters may put themselves in a position to earn a second wind.

[Rodgers]

there is so much to read...can someone tl;dr it for me?

everyone is lynching all the interview guys and since leia said to do it, i guess i will trust her -_-

-vote brees, romo, ross, vick

[Manning]

look, I wasn't buying that Yoshimitsu was a disguiser. Yoshimitsu simply might not have taken action. Your vault wasn't the only one this happened in; in vault 21 we expected more people to do things at night that never happened. Everyone sat on their hands.

[Leia]

there is so much to read...can someone tl;dr it for me?

everyone is lynching all the interview guys and since leia said to do it, i guess i will trust her -_-

-vote brees, romo, ross, vick

Think for yourself, Rodgers! I have not yet done my free lynch votes so as to give the accused a chance to speak.

Also omfg I am becoming more and more certain Wicket and Klaus are the same person. Seriously. They have got to be the last puppet group.

[Leia]

Luke, do you care to respond to Monica's accusations!?

I still need to get properly caught up with my notes, but that's what pops out at me the most.

[Leia]

-unvote

Waiting on some info from the FM GM.

[Beru]

I'll free vote everyone except Ross, because no one has been able to show how he can possibly be scum.

-vote Brees
-vote Romo
-vote Rick

[Klaus]

Also omfg I am becoming more and more certain Wicket and Klaus are the same person. Seriously. They have got to be the last puppet group.

If Klaus was puppet he would not leave smurf account posting once a day. Zat would be zuicide.

Klaus suspect Ventriloquist is in Vault 21. Some combination of Brees, Vick, Tarkin--whose spy claim is dubious--and Wedge. Just like other ventriloquist, interviewees probably are puppets. Brees even vote himself!

[Brees]

If Klaus was puppet he would not leave smurf account posting once a day. Zat would be zuicide.

Klaus suspect Ventriloquist is in Vault 21. Some combination of Brees, Vick, Tarkin--whose spy claim is dubious--and Wedge. Just like other ventriloquist, interviewees probably are puppets. Brees even vote himself!

I think its Vick I never trusted him anyway. By the way since I am going to die my role is: Mortician

[Leia]

Tebow, this is important. Can you confirm or deny if Larkin gave you an item on N2?

Was your vault feedback: witched, interviewed, and something else?

Monica may be bad since the story here is not lining up. I find a major problem in her story that I can further reveal if you can answer my question, Larkin.

[Klaus]

I think its Vick I never trusted him anyway. By the way since I am going to die my role is: Mortician

Klaus does not believe you. By deduction, one of you (Vick/Brees) should be bus driver according to Leia. Zhis means you would be mafia. Not only that, but you did not give any results as Mortician even after claiming it. Klaus finds zhis very suspicious and thinks you are lying.

-vote Brees




Klaus Tally

Vader {1}: Beru (#40)
Luke {10}: Monica (#59), Mkoll (#61), Rawne (#64), Paul (#66), Han (#79), Jin (#89), Law (#92), Manning (#132), Beru (#143), Gaunt (#145)
Manning {1}: Tarkin (#147)



Free-lynch Votes

Beru {6}: Luke ( #8 ), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Monica (#59), Jin (#75), Han (#85)
Brees {12}: Rawne (#6), Luke ( #8 ), Vader (#14), Gaunt ( #18 ), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Rodgers (#162), Beru (#167), Klaus (#171)
Ross {8}: Rawne (#9), Vader (#14), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Klaus (#94), Brady (#95), Rodgers (#162)
Romo {9}: Brady (#13), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Gaunt (#104), Rodgers (#162), Beru (#167)
Vick {8}: Gaunt ( #18 ), Luke (#20), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Rodgers (#162)


*Beru vote on Vick does not count because he called him "Rick"

[Beru]

-vote Nick

Just kidding.

-vote Vick

[Leia]

I recommend unvoting Luke and voting Monica.
Here is why:

The night Yoshimitsu died, I shot him with the "gun" I recieved. Now the gun may or may not have been real, but let me go through the possibilities for each:

1. Gun was real. IF Yoshimitsu was, indeed disguiser, his role would not have been cleaned since kills happen before the disguising in the order of operations. Therefore Yoshimitsu cannot have been disguiser that targeted Luke if my gun was real. Alternatively, Yoshimitsu could have been devoured, in which case, Monica should have reported the source of his kill was a devourer, not a disguiser. (Additionally, the devourer has no incentive to kill and clean a disguiser... so this possibility is highly unlikely).

2. Gun was fake. Yoshimitsu MAY have disguised, but we wouldn't really know. If my gun was fake, that means I did not receive a gun from Larkin the arms dealer, meaning that I was either roleblocked by King, the orange consort on the night Greedo was killed by orange mafia, OR I was drug dealt a gun by the orange mafia while King killed Greedo. In any case, that means there would be one remaining orange mafia in vault 103. Tebow has been all but cleared by Monica and Mkoll not claiming sheriff. Mkoll was rb'ed N1 by the orange mafia, and I DOUBT that King would have role blocked someone on the orange mafia on N1. In any case, Mkoll is cleared with rather circumstantial evidence.


tl;dr Monica is lying. I'm not sure which scenario is true, but I am inclined to believe Manning, and believe that Monica is scum. Honestly, I thought Yoshimitsu was devoured... but Monica insists he was disguiser. This is a situation that is either impossible due to my gunsmith gun, or a situation that ends up implicating Monica, regardless of Yoshimitsu's role.

Let me know what you think.

[Leia]

Monica is the Drug Dealer.

Get your votes off of Luke before he is hammered.

[Leia]

errrr... or she could be another scum role...
In any case, Monica is scum. Not 100% sure what type...

[Leia]

-vote Monica

[Luke]

I'm here guys. This has gotten pretty interesting while I was away.


-Vote Beru
-Vote Brees
-Vote Vick
-Vote Luke
I'm here to make your lynch easy. Yoshi was the enclave disguiser, and his only target the whole game has been Luke. As well as that, I got attacked and healed last night, probably by Enclave trying to prevent check. I can't see anyway this can be misinterpreted. Luke is Yoshii the disguiser.

At first I believed your coroner claim but now I must assume you have been lying. I was not visited at all last night and was interviewed and bussed on n4.

What's curious to me is that you say that Yoshi had me as a target the whole game? I don't think anyone saw me as suspicious at all. This is a pretty strong gamble you are taking because if I am lynched it will be quite obvious that you have lied about me being targeted.

Mannings bus driver claim makes things even more confusing. One thing to note is that in my notes, I had him marked out as the possible busdriver/kidnapper in our vault BECAUSE he claimed Amnesiac. If he is telling the truth than we have to consider the possibility that Monica has been Disguised and is providing false information. We saw that an amnesiac revealed last night so I think people should trust mannings over Monica.

@Brees can you please provide information on what you've found as the Mortician? until then
-unvote Brees
-vote Ross

Also if it is needed for me to prove that I am not the disguiser, I can provide some sensitive information from Vault 21. If what Monica says is true than I would be an Enclave Disguiser, and there were only Brotherhood attacks in our Vault. So the Enclave would not know things that have been said in our vault. You can feel free to ask me to divulge role claims or ask me a post to quote.

Does a disguiser have access to their victims vault information?(colorblind, i hope this is the correct color)

Someone please check Monica tonight for scum.

[Law]

You are forgetting something Leia. Your gun may very well have been real, but someone may have healed/bussed/guarded Yoshimitsu. Phoebe (the bodyguard) also died in a gunfight somehow that same night, but no one else did. I'm not saying you are incorrect with your assumptions, but your evidence is a lot more circumstantial than you make it out to be.

[Luke]

I recommend unvoting Luke and voting Monica.
Here is why:

The night Yoshimitsu died, I shot him with the "gun" I recieved. Now the gun may or may not have been real, but let me go through the possibilities for each:

1. Gun was real. IF Yoshimitsu was, indeed disguiser, his role would not have been cleaned since kills happen before the disguising in the order of operations. Therefore Yoshimitsu cannot have been disguiser that targeted Luke if my gun was real. Alternatively, Yoshimitsu could have been devoured, in which case, Monica should have reported the source of his kill was a devourer, not a disguiser. (Additionally, the devourer has no incentive to kill and clean a disguiser... so this possibility is highly unlikely).

2. Gun was fake. Yoshimitsu MAY have disguised, but we wouldn't really know. If my gun was fake, that means I did not receive a gun from Larkin the arms dealer, meaning that I was either roleblocked by King, the orange consort on the night Greedo was killed by orange mafia, OR I was drug dealt a gun by the orange mafia while King killed Greedo. In any case, that means there would be one remaining orange mafia in vault 103. Tebow has been all but cleared by Monica and Mkoll not claiming sheriff. Mkoll was rb'ed N1 by the orange mafia, and I DOUBT that King would have role blocked someone on the orange mafia on N1. In any case, Mkoll is cleared with rather circumstantial evidence.


tl;dr Monica is lying. I'm not sure which scenario is true, but I am inclined to believe Manning, and believe that Monica is scum. Honestly, I thought Yoshimitsu was devoured... but Monica insists he was disguiser. This is a situation that is either impossible due to my gunsmith gun, or a situation that ends up implicating Monica, regardless of Yoshimitsu's role.

Let me know what you think.

I'm wondering why Monica would take such a huge gamble on this though. This is a situation where IF she got me lynched everyone would know that she lied and either night attack or lynch the following day.

Your Drug Dealer role may be true but I'm more inclined to believe that she was the target of a disguiser.

-vote Monica

[Leia]

Does a disguiser have access to their victims vault information?(colorblind, i hope this is the correct color)

This.

[Luke]

so leia, u still think im SCUM?! keep trying to get me shot...i find TWO scum so far.

i checked beru last night becuz he was lurking scum. he came up not suspicious. my scum hunting powers fail me :(

i will avenge u head-vigi!!!!! :evil:
Rodgers is most likely our sane sheriff. So I can believe that Beru is inno.
unvote Beru

[Law]

What's curious to me is that you say that Yoshi had me as a target the whole game? I don't think anyone saw me as suspicious at all. This is a pretty strong gamble you are taking because if I am lynched it will be quite obvious that you have lied about me being targeted.

I believe she said that Yoshimitsu's only target was you. If he was a disguiser as she claims I assume he would have only targeted you one night.


Also if it is needed for me to prove that I am not the disguiser, I can provide some sensitive information from Vault 21. If what Monica says is true than I would be an Enclave Disguiser, and there were only Brotherhood attacks in our Vault. So the Enclave would not know things that have been said in our vault. You can feel free to ask me to divulge role claims or ask me a post to quote.

Each mafia team only has one attack per night. Just because there wasn't an Enclave kill in your Vault does not mean there was not an Enclave member present.

Something strange is going on, so for now I will -unvote. Monica, I would like to hear how you respond to these accusations.

[Gaunt]

I will unvote Luke if he provides this "sensitive information" along with a role claim, depending on how legitimate it is.

[Klaus]

Klaus find it rather telling that Leia trust Luke here. Monica seemed fairly straightforward yesterday with Coroner claim. You and Paul even wanted her to be healed. Luke does not role claim when accused of being Disguiser? Is that not telling?

If Klaus not mistaken, was zhe bus driver not in Luke's vault? There no bus claims in Yoshimitsu's vault? What are zhe chances zere are two different bus drivers in separate vaults?

Klaus starting to believe Manning did not take Yoshi's role at all and that he is pulling a gambit. Perhaps Jester trying to get lynched? A kidnapper trying to counter-claim?

[Luke]

I will unvote Luke if he provides this "sensitive information" along with a role claim, depending on how legitimate it is.
I know of roles from our vault that have not been revealed. I am waiting on the FM GM's answer my question before doing this. I don't see the point in revealing information that could hurt the town if it wont prove my innocence. If I can I would rather quote a post that anyone from vault 21 can have access to. I'm not going to take the chance to hurt the town because someone is making a false claim against me.

@Law. You are right that we could have had a Enclave member that chose not to attack. But why would any thinking mafia not take full advantage of their night kill? The only possibility would be that we have an Enclave ventriloquist in our vault but no one from my vault gave off a puppet vibe to me.

[Nina]

-vote Beru,
-vote Romo,
-vote Ross,
-vote Brees
-vote Vick

I'm concerned with all the lurkers. If they didnt find time to write an interview, then they either arne't contributing or arent important enough to check mail at night.
Death to all.

[Luke]

Klaus find it rather telling that Leia trust Luke here. Monica seemed fairly straightforward yesterday with Coroner claim. You and Paul even wanted her to be healed. Luke does not role claim when accused of being Disguiser? Is that not telling?

If Klaus not mistaken, was zhe bus driver not in Luke's vault? There no bus claims in Yoshimitsu's vault? What are zhe chances zere are two different bus drivers in separate vaults?

Klaus starting to believe Manning did not take Yoshi's role at all and that he is pulling a gambit. Perhaps Jester trying to get lynched? A kidnapper trying to counter-claim?

Leia is confirmed town. What is telling here?

Yeah Mannings role claim seems strange because he is one of the people in our vault that I suspected of being the bus driver/kidnapper until he made his Amnesiac claim. It said that an amnesiac claimed a role today, so I doubt he is lying about it.

[Law]

@Law. You are right that we could have had a Enclave member that chose not to attack. But why would any thinking mafia not take full advantage of their night kill? The only possibility would be that we have an Enclave ventriloquist in our vault but no one from my vault gave off a puppet vibe to me.


If I am correct in my interpretation of the rules, each mafia team only had one kill they could use for all of the Vaults. They could have had a member in your Vault and chosen to use their kill in a different Vault.

[Gaunt]

I know of roles from our vault that have not been revealed. I am waiting on the FM GM's answer my question before doing this. I don't see the point in revealing information that could hurt the town if it wont prove my innocence. If I can I would rather quote a post that anyone from vault 21 can have access to. I'm not going to take the chance to hurt the town because someone is making a false claim against me.

@Law. You are right that we could have had a Enclave member that chose not to attack. But why would any thinking mafia not take full advantage of their night kill? The only possibility would be that we have an Enclave ventriloquist in our vault but no one from my vault gave off a puppet vibe to me.

I remember Luna answering a question that puppets and the ventriloquist could be in different vaults. Just because the Brotherhood Vent and his puppets were all vault 66 doesn't mean the Enclave's vent and puppets were all confined to one vault. Maybe the Enclave had their puppets spread out across three vaults.

[Klaus]

Yeah Mannings role claim seems strange because he is one of the people in our vault that I suspected of being the bus driver/kidnapper until he made his Amnesiac claim. It said that an amnesiac claimed a role today, so I doubt he is lying about it.

Zere are several problems here.

If real amnesiac take scum role, they will not speak up.

If Mannings is real amnesiac, then he could end up taking kidnapper role in which case he would just claim bus driver (why would he claim bus driver when he cannot self-bus? He could just say he took a town role and leave it at that). If he took a scum role, he would just counter claim Monica to get a mislynch off if you are scum in order to save you (especially if he become Kidnapper of same mafia team as you).

Just pointing out zat no scum from your vault have died yet and you still have not role claimed after being called out as disguiser. Why would Monica risk that when, if we mislynch, she is as good as dead? That would just be stupid.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Does a disguiser have access to their victims vault information?(colorblind, i hope this is the correct color)

Yes, all other PMs are wiped from the account but the account can still see inside the vault.

[Klaus]

-vote Beru,
-vote Romo,
-vote Ross,
-vote Brees
-vote Vick

I'm concerned with all the lurkers. If they didnt find time to write an interview, then they either arne't contributing or arent important enough to check mail at night.
Death to all.

Beru was cleared by Rodgers. Good job, scum.



Klaus Tally

Luke {10}: Monica (#59), Mkoll (#61), Rawne (#64), Paul (#66), Han (#79), Jin (#89), Law (#92), Manning (#132), Beru (#143), Gaunt (#145)
Manning {1}: Tarkin (#147)
Monica {2}: Leia (#176), Luke (#179)



Free-lynch Votes

Beru {6}: Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Monica (#59), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Nina (#186)
Brees {12}: Rawne (#6), Vader (#14), Gaunt ( #18 ), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Rodgers (#162), Beru (#167), Klaus (#171), Nina (#186)
Ross {10}: Rawne (#9), Vader (#14), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Klaus (#94), Brady (#95), Rodgers (#162), Luke (#177), Nina (#186)
Romo {10}: Brady (#13), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Gaunt (#104), Rodgers (#162), Beru (#167), Nina (#186)
Vick {10}: Gaunt ( #18 ), Luke (#20), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Rodgers (#162), Beru (#172), Nina (#186)

[Luke]

If I am correct in my interpretation of the rules, each mafia team only had one kill they could use for all of the Vaults. They could have had a member in your Vault and chosen to use their kill in a different Vault.
I think this is wrong. Im pretty sure each mafia team could attack.

However, on closer inspection I see that their was no difference between Enclave kills and Brotherhood kills. I wrongly thought that the kills in our vault were brotherhood kills. So my theory that we had only brotherhood members in our vault is wrong. We could have either brotherhood or Enclave. I think each mafia team in the vaults could act individually.

Ok the FM GM has confirmed that a disguiser would have access to our vaults information. So I will not be revealing any of the information from my vault because it could only hurt the town.

On an unrelated note, Since Brees has claimed Mortician, that leaves Vicks as the only possible person in our vault who could be the Bus driver / Kidnapper. That's assuming that everyone is telling the truth, which is never the case.

[Gaunt]

Look Luke the only way you are making it out of this alive is if you give us something. While I agree something smells fishy the only real way to get to the bottom of the situation is with your death and seeing what you flip. If you aren't the disguiser that would be a waste so we should really see what happens so please give me more than just having faith that you aren't the disguiser. The bare minimum you could do is a roleclaim

[Rawne]

Wow, what the heck is going on here. Luke, thanks for speaking up. Something is amiss here and I'm not sure which is correct. Since Manning claimed neutral Day 1 and has not done anything to disprove that, I'm fairly sure he's the Amnesiac. But Luke was not the person I thought would be bus driver/kidnapper.

-unvote Luke for now, but we need more information to clear this up.

[Nina]

Beru was cleared by Rodgers. Good job, scum.



Klaus Tally

Luke {10}: Monica (#59), Mkoll (#61), Rawne (#64), Paul (#66), Han (#79), Jin (#89), Law (#92), Manning (#132), Beru (#143), Gaunt (#145)
Manning {1}: Tarkin (#147)
Monica {2}: Leia (#176), Luke (#179)



Free-lynch Votes

Beru {6}: Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Monica (#59), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Nina (#186)
Brees {12}: Rawne (#6), Vader (#14), Gaunt ( #18 ), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Rodgers (#162), Beru (#167), Klaus (#171), Nina (#186)
Ross {10}: Rawne (#9), Vader (#14), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Klaus (#94), Brady (#95), Rodgers (#162), Luke (#177), Nina (#186)
Romo {10}: Brady (#13), Vader (#14), Mkoll (#55), Paul (#56), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Gaunt (#104), Rodgers (#162), Beru (#167), Nina (#186)
Vick {10}: Gaunt ( #18 ), Luke (#20), Paul (#56), Monica (#59), Mkoll (#72), Jin (#75), Han (#85), Rodgers (#162), Beru (#172), Nina (#186)


Good job tally-posting scum. I'm onto you

[Rawne]

Brees, I want more out of you before I unvote you. What night actions have you done?

This goes for everyone who role claims. A simple claim won't save you.

[Brady]

uh this is confusing as fuck heres my 2 cents tho

if monica is bsing that would mean yoshi === BD/kidnapper
too bad no one was driven in vault 5??? although he coulda just refrained from switching but w/e
also yoshi claimed Focken Vigi during roulette

so uh yoshi could be
1. BD (why would a BD claim vigi????????)
2. kidnapper (why claim vigi as kidnapper faggot)
3. vigi (manning woulda taken vigi then not BD)
4. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~disguiser~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

#4 aka the correct answer
bcuz
monica = legit as fuck
manging take yoshi island's role
get disguiser
subsequent lieing shit off
remove disguiser from the premises
-vote mango

unvote luke faggets no one cares bout dat ho
he shall be dealt w/ l8er

[Han]

I'm wondering why Monica would take such a huge gamble on this though. This is a situation where IF she got me lynched everyone would know that she lied and either night attack or lynch the following day.

Your Drug Dealer role may be true but I'm more inclined to believe that she was the target of a disguiser.

-vote Monica

Red mafia trying to push train onto orange mafia. Slap fight ensues.

[Nina]

-vote Jabba
ay or may not be student, can just be mkolls mafia

Jabba defend urself

[Gaunt]

Brady does have a point despite completely failing at knowing how to type. If we think Luke is the disguiser it is a much higher priority to take out Manning than it is to kill Luke because he would have the ability to disguise as anyone. Manning's claim could be fake and the real amnesiac who isn't speaking up could have just happened to claim a role tonight. The case there would be that Manning is providing the fake information to try and bail out Luke.

Regardless Luke isn't going anywhere if he is the disguiser, on the other hand Manning may be going somewhere if he became the disguiser. I would be willing to unvote Luke and vote Manning as a better lynch target after Luke role claims.

[Han]

Leia is confirmed town. What is telling here?


Why is she confirmed again? Couldn't she be a corrupt journalist? Are you trying to defend one of your allies Luke

[Manning]

-vote Monica

Thanks for the additional info, leia.

[Rawne]

Why is she confirmed again? Couldn't she be a corrupt journalist? Are you trying to defend one of your allies Luke

Didn't I tell you that there are no neutrals left in her vault?

[Han]

-vote Jabba
ay or may not be student, can just be mkolls mafia

Jabba defend urself

why are you going off on a tangent like this, when you know that you're not about to turn this trrain around onto jabba. is this just a creative way of effectively unvoting?

[Han]

Brady does have a point despite completely failing at knowing how to type.

I'm sure its intentional

[Han]

Regardless Luke isn't going anywhere if he is the disguiser, on the other hand Manning may be going somewhere if he became the disguiser. I would be willing to unvote Luke and vote Manning as a better lynch target after Luke role claims.

yeah if we're sure luke is disguiser then theres no need to kill him because we've got bigger fish to fry and he's got no night actions.

[Klaus]

-unvote Luke for now, but we need more information to clear this up.



This goes for everyone who role claims. A simple claim won't save you.

Apparently no claim at all will save you, as you unvoted Luke real fast...

The information we need is Luke's role claim, ja?

[Nina]

Unvoting who? I didn't vote anyone

[Han]

Unvoting who? I didn't vote anyone

you p/ much threw away your vote onto some useless person

[Law]

Well the best lynch target is pretty obvious now. We have three options:

1. Luke - Accused of being disguiser by a claimed coroner. Has refused to claim a role. Circumstantial evidence supports the possibility of him not being disguiser.

2. Manning - Claimed amnesiac. Said he took Yoshimitsu's role, in spite of the fact that he was suppose to take Yoda's role. Yoshimitsu was suspected of being scum at the time, so he obviously wanted to take a scum role. Claims that Yoshimitsu's role was BD. Monica says that Yoshimitsu's role was disguiser, Brady says that Yoshimitsu claimed Vigilante.

3. Monica - Claimed coroner and said that Yoda's role was hitman. Said that Yoshimitsu was disguiser and only targeted Luke. Circumstantial evidence points towards this claim potentially being false.

Manning is the obvious choice. His role claim has been countered by two people, and there is no guarantee that he is even telling the truth about whose role he took. He started the game as a neutral, and he very well could still be neutral or could even be scum. While Monica does present hard evidence against Luke, there is no guarantee that it is legitimate (her claim could have been legitimized had Manning listened to what the town said).

Manning has already acted in contrast to what is best for the town. His role claim is countered by two people. There is no evidence that points towards his alignment. Lynching him provides information on Monica and Luke. He is the best lynch.

-Vote Manning

[Vader]

Red mafia trying to push train onto orange mafia. Slap fight ensues.

Funny cause it's probably true.

I'm still wrapping my head around this whole Monica/Manning/Yoshi business. I just can't believe Monica is scum simply because publicly claiming coroner, again, is possibly the worst role to claim when there's an amnesiac. If she were Mafia, how would she know Yoda was hitman? What if Manning had actually taken Yoda's role and he turned out not to be hitman? She'd be immediately cast into the spotlight for questioning. Even if she's a consig or something, consigs only provide clues to a person's role, not their exact role.

So even assuming she's scum and bluffed Yoda's role, why say hitman of all roles? Wouldn't you say something like, citizen, to keep the amnesiac from possibly outing your role?

Here, I'm going to interject and express my extreme disappointment at the town PRs. I mean, seriously. This is unprecedented. Even the CITIZENS, who usually are the lurkers, are playing better this time around than the PRs. You know why? They did their job and took the bullet... ... for the afk PRs, unfortunately. It's actually funny, because if the important PRs getting freelynched were shot instead by Mafia with the talkative citizens still active, maybe we wouldn't face our current scenario. We have like what, 29 people left? Minimum 3 kills a night unless we catch the devourer today. 10 scum left. No killing town PRs as far as the eye can tell. Isn't this just delightful.

[Law]

Also, (I forgot to list this but it has already been pointed out) if Yoshimitsu was indeed disguiser and disguised as Luke, Manning would now be an undisguised disguiser, and lynching him now would prevent him from disguising away tonight.

[Nina]

I wanted someone to notice the existence of lurker Jabba after he claimed student.
My vote may or may not start a lynch train, but it will definitely turn nighttime attention towards them. They are not confirmed town+student.
In fact I believe our vault's neutral is not Jabba - the neutral himself is not the kind to speak out. I think it might be Beru who is jester or ghost or some shit, who doesn't benefit from roleclaiming.
Jabba's mafia might have found it out early and claimed, its the only way i'm town with the claims we got, and I know I'm town.

[Rawne]

So here's some possibilities. (May not be 100% correct or considering every possible factor; feel free to add)

Monica claimed Coroner, claimed Yoda was a Hitman, then claimed Yoshimitsu was a Disguiser who disguised himself as Luke.
Manning claimed Amnesiac turned Bus Driver, remembering the role of Yoshimitsu.
Luke claims bussed and interviewed the night Yoshimitsu supposedly disguised himself as him.

1. In the case Monica is telling the truth, Luke is scum. Manning would have remembered the role of Disguiser, which means he is more dangerous scum, and he is lying.

2. In the case Monica is lying but Manning is telling the truth, Yoshimitsu was a bus driver and Luke is cleared.

3. Monica and Manning are both telling the truth. This does not match up with what FMGM says, as both Coroners and Amnesiacs are given the original role/actions. Monica could not have gotten results of a disguiser while Manning became bus driver if they targeted the same person. This does not necessarily clear Luke.

4. Both Monica and Manning are lying, which means both are likely scum. This does not necessarily clear Luke.

I personally believe it's either 1 or 4. I was very surprised to hear Manning's claim and I still don't believe it.

Has Monica done anything while inside the vault?

@Klaus: I unvoted because I don't want Luke to have too many votes on him when there are at least two other people we can lynch just as easily. Hammering him prematurely is a bad idea.

[Nina]

Funny cause it's probably true.

I'm still wrapping my head around this whole Monica/Manning/Yoshi business. I just can't believe Monica is scum simply because publicly claiming coroner, again, is possibly the worst role to claim when there's an amnesiac. If she were Mafia, how would she know Yoda was hitman? What if Manning had actually taken Yoda's role and he turned out not to be hitman? She'd be immediately cast into the spotlight for questioning. Even if she's a consig or something, consigs only provide clues to a person's role, not their exact role.

So even assuming she's scum and bluffed Yoda's role, why say hitman of all roles? Wouldn't you say something like, citizen, to keep the amnesiac from possibly outing your role?

Here, I'm going to interject and express my extreme disappointment at the town PRs. I mean, seriously. This is unprecedented. Even the CITIZENS, who usually are the lurkers, are playing better this time around than the PRs. You know why? They did their job and took the bullet... ... for the afk PRs, unfortunately. It's actually funny, because if the important PRs getting freelynched were shot instead by Mafia with the talkative citizens still active, maybe we wouldn't face our current scenario. We have like what, 29 people left? Minimum 3 kills a night unless we catch the devourer today. 10 scum left. No killing town PRs as far as the eye can tell. Isn't this just delightful.

Stealth cit claim

[Manning]

Lynch me. I mean this with all seriousness. You have 24 Hours to figure out what to do, town.

[Luke]

Look Luke the only way you are making it out of this alive is if you give us something. While I agree something smells fishy the only real way to get to the bottom of the situation is with your death and seeing what you flip. If you aren't the disguiser that would be a waste so we should really see what happens so please give me more than just having faith that you aren't the disguiser. The bare minimum you could do is a roleclaim
Only the Sith deal in absolutes

I think its foolish to believe a coroner claim that can't be confirmed. There is no way to prove that Yoda was a hitman or that Yoshimitsu is a enclave disguiser except by Monica's roleclaim. Manning himself claimed that Yoshimitsu was a bus driver and he has no reason to lie as an amnesiac, if he turned town. If he turned into a disguiser than he would never reveal that he visited Yoshimitsu, because it would be unlogical. So obviously someone is lying...you have to put your trust somewhere and people will remember if you side with Mafia.

Also people seem to overlook that I was bussed on night 4. So if Monica IS telling the truth than I'm going to look back into the day 5 chat because I remember one of the lurkers also claiming to be bussed. That will likely be our new disguiser.

[Nina]

10 scum left.

ye because there's 9 mafia 1 devourer and witched claims every day.
10 scum indeed.

[Luke]

Only the Sith deal in absolutes

I think its foolish to believe a coroner claim that can't be confirmed. There is no way to prove that Yoda was a hitman or that Yoshimitsu is a enclave disguiser except by Monica's roleclaim. Manning himself claimed that Yoshimitsu was a bus driver and he has no reason to lie as an amnesiac, if he turned town. If he turned into a disguiser than he would never reveal that he visited Yoshimitsu, because it would be unlogical. So obviously someone is lying...you have to put your trust somewhere and people will remember if you side with Mafia.

Also people seem to overlook that I was bussed on night 4. So if Monica IS telling the truth than I'm going to look back into the day 5 chat because I remember one of the lurkers also claiming to be bussed. That will likely be our new disguiser.

Found -
Fluttershy claimed bussed. So that may mean we could have multiple bus drivers/kidnappers because she was obviously not a disguiser.

[Nina]

Did it strike you that maybe the corpse (not disguiser) really visited Luke that night?

[Gaunt]

If Luke was bussed that might clear him of being disguiser and the person who was bus driven ended up being the disgusier. We can hunt for them later for now I think manning is the best lynch target for reasons me, brady, and law discussed.

-unvote Luke
-vote Manning

[Manning]

There are currently three options.

Lynch Manning

Lynch Monica

Lynch Luke


ANY of these will give you a definite answer.

If you're willing to believe Monica's claim simply because she publicly announced what she was, why not believe me? I announced my role during an interview.

I said I would swap last night, and I did so.

As neutral I had no reason to align with town. I chose to do what I wanted, which was find out what Yoshimitsu was.

I found out what Yoshimitsu was. He was a Bus Driver.


In the even that Monica is telling the truth, WHY NOT STEP FORWARD WITH HER THOUGHTS ABOUT NIGHT ROLES, CONSIDERING WHAT HAS HAPPENED?

Monica jumped in, gave her results, then jumped out. What's up with that?

I know who I'm going to bus tonight. In the event that I am witched, Target A will be unknown to me, so they really don't make a difference. I know for sure who my second target will be. I'm not at liberty to discuss this, having already revealed my role.

[Nina]

Did it strike you that maybe the corpse (not disguiser) really visited Luke that night?

If so then Luke should be innocent

[Rawne]

If Yoshimitsu was in fact the bus driver (which does back up Luke's claim that he was bussed) then Monica should have reported that Yoshimitsu targeted two people N4, not just Luke.

[Rawne]

Did it strike you that maybe the corpse (not disguiser) really visited Luke that night?

If Yoshimitsu were killed before he could disguise that night, the only role I can find that could do this would be the Witch. I think Roger claimed witch that night, however.

[Manning]

If Yoshimitsu was in fact the bus driver (which does back up Luke's claim that he was bussed) then Monica should have reported that Yoshimitsu targeted two people N4, not just Luke.

I expressed this idea in its entirety earlier, albeit through different syntax

[Gaunt]

If Yoshimitsu was in fact the bus driver (which does back up Luke's claim that he was bussed) then Monica should have reported that Yoshimitsu targeted two people N4, not just Luke.

If Yoshimitsu was in fact the bus driver Monica should have reported that Yoshimisu was in fact the bus driver... DERP

[Luke]

If Yoshimitsu was in fact the bus driver (which does back up Luke's claim that he was bussed) then Monica should have reported that Yoshimitsu targeted two people N4, not just Luke.
I was bussed on Night 4. Manning claimed to become a bus driver on n5.

[Rawne]

I was bussed on Night 4. Manning claimed to become a bus driver on n5.

Doesn't bussing go rather early in the OoO though? I'm just throwing out ideas. I honestly still don't think Yoshimitsu was a bus driver.

[Rawne]

And the fact remains that there is still one other bus driver/kidnapper out there, considering that vault 21 has had only 2 deaths so far this entire game.

[Manning]

And the fact remains that there is still one other bus driver/kidnapper out there, considering that vault 21 has had only 2 deaths so far this entire game.

Yeah, that was really ironic. Our theme was cannibalism, and no cannibalism happened.

Only night kills. :/

[Gaunt]

Doesn't bussing go rather early in the OoO though? I'm just throwing out ideas. I honestly still don't think Yoshimitsu was a bus driver.

Apparently my sarcasm failed to point out how much of a fail post you made suggesting Monica should have provided two roles if Yoshimitsu was bus driver so I am going to quote the coroner role card.


Description: Even in the safety of the vaults people died through violence, old age, sickness or other mysterious corpses. When everyone is already six feet under, a trained medical professional to deal with dead bodies is a key component to a happier life. You only hope that your skills don't mark you as a target for those who aren't so keen to see the NCR closing in...

Abilities: At night you may study the corpse of a dead player. You will discover their last will, role and previous night action targets. If your target is targeted by a Grave Robber during the same night, the Grave Robber will be unsuccessful.

Pertinent rulings: You will not discover the night numbers that your target took their actions, just the target names. If a Grave Robber targets your target, you will not be informed. If a player has been cleaned by a Janitor and a Lawyer's fake last will is still in effect on your target, you will receive the fake last will.

Feels like you are trying to mislead the town Rawne, bringing back my favourite image from Vault 5

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22681953.jpg

[Law]

MANNING IS THE BEST LYNCH. HE HAS ALREADY ACTED CONTRARY TO THE TOWN. HE WAS A CONFIRMED NEUTRAL. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS ROLE CLAIM. WE WILL GAIN INFORMATION ABOUT MONICA AND LUKE FROM HIS LYNCH. DO I REALLY NEED TO SPAM IN CAPS TO GET THIS POINT ACROSS?

[Wedge]

Alrighty guys, I'm here, and I'm finally on break, so I'll be able to contribute a lot more to the conversation now.

I am a Spy. I/Old Tarkin was forced into using the first charge of our ability when we were lured by Eddy on Night 1. Strange thing here though, the result he got was that Wedge was targeted by a mafia member, not Eddy. Presumably this contributed to why Old Tarkin was reluctant to lynch Wedge on Day 2. Also, this is why I believe that there must be 2 Brotherhood members in our Vault 21. Wedge, did you receive any feedback messages on Night 1?

Old Tarkin did not use a charge on Night 2 or Night 3.

Night 4 I had replaced Old Tarkin by then, and used the second charge to discover that Law was targeted by a mafia member on night 4. Seeing as how Yoshi was suspected of being a disguiser, this is why I suggested that Law might have been his target. However, since we had two cleans last night, this confirms the presence of a devourer and a janitor or disguiser that disguised last night, and makes the probability of Yoshi having been a disguiser highly unlikely. Thus, Law is most likely clean. Law, did you receive any feedback messages on Night 4?

And finally, I used my last charge last night and found out that Paul was targeted by a mafia member last night. Paul, did you receive any feedback messages last night?

I have no charges left, and will not be able to provide any further information.

Is it true that Boba would have received a feedback message if he had blocked the Technician? If so, it can be assumed that Ross must be scum. There is no reason for a town to falseclaim technician. It would only create further confusion and distraction from finding the true scum. I will wait for the answer to my question before deciding whether or not to freelynch Ross.

If Ross was not the technician, then I find it odd that Nina, who presumably actually was the real technician, did not call him out on it.

As for everyone else that's up for free lynch, I believe Beru is under suspicion? Why is this again? I need to re-read the past couple days to find out. Romo also has barely contributed at all, so it can't hurt the town much to have him gone even if he flips town, unless he suddenly decides to show up and start contributing. Brees did not contribute much in our vault either, but Vick was more vocal. I'm still not confortable yet labeling any of them as scummy enough as they should die. If they do not show up by the end of this day to start explaining themselves, I will vote to free lynch them.

No

[Wedge]

-Vote Everyone

-Vote Wedge

[Luke]

-Vote Everyone

-Vote Wedge

What?

I was looking back through past days and I just noticed that Lei, a Puppet committed suicide. The FAQ says that a Soul thief targeting a Puppet will cause it to suicide, so be aware of a possible Soul Thief.

[Vader]

I was looking back through past days and I just noticed that Lei, a Puppet committed suicide. The FAQ says that a Soul thief targeting a Puppet will cause it to suicide, so be aware of a possible Soul Thief.

This is probably due to the Ventriloquist dying. The puppet cannot move without the puppeteer.

[Leia]

-unvote

I need to reread the threads and think a little more. Leia is going to sleep now.

Also, Yoshimitsu was terrible at editing out his role claim in the melon chat roulette. He accidentally left it in that he claimed vigilante - did anyone besides me catch that? So yes, I can confirm that Brady is telling the truth about Yoshimitsu's role claim. I doubt Yoshimitsu would claim vigi as a bus driver. He might claim vigi as scum. That's why I thought Yoshimitsu was a fabricator.

In any case, -vote Manning

Do you wish to retract your amnesiac to bus driver claim? Manning and possibly Monica are scum, but it really only makes sense to lynch Manning after everything that has been said and the urgency of needing to lynch a potential disguiser if indeed, Monica is telling the truth.

[FM Ferengi]

Only the Sith deal in absolutes

>.>

[Nina]

Hi yapyap whats an alien

[Beru]

>.>

​BERU KICKS THE RADIO AND DEMANDS MUSIC.

[Mkoll]

I wanted someone to notice the existence of lurker Jabba after he claimed student.
My vote may or may not start a lynch train, but it will definitely turn nighttime attention towards them. They are not confirmed town+student.
In fact I believe our vault's neutral is not Jabba - the neutral himself is not the kind to speak out. I think it might be Beru who is jester or ghost or some shit, who doesn't benefit from roleclaiming.
Jabba's mafia might have found it out early and claimed, its the only way i'm town with the claims we got, and I know I'm town.
Obvious fucking jester WIFOM is obvious.
Someone kill this stupid cunt at night pls.

EDIT: REPLIES HAVE BEEN POSTED
NO SHIT SHERLOCK.

[Mkoll]

Hi yapyap whats an alien
ALIENZ ARE PURPLE

[Mkoll]

Gonna keep my vote on Luke until real role claim.
I advise others to do the same.

[Nina]

Obvious fucking jester WIFOM is obvious.
Someone kill this stupid cunt at night pls.

EDIT: REPLIES HAVE BEEN POSTED
NO SHIT SHERLOCK.

IF IM JESTER THEN WHO IS JABBA

I've been abducted by aliens idk what it does, doesnt seem to do much tho.

[Mkoll]

IF IM JESTER THEN WHO IS JABBA

I've been abducted by aliens idk what it does, doesnt seem to do much tho.
JABBA IS STUDENT HERP FUCKING DERP. IDK how many times I have to tell you.
I'm all but confirmed town. Not only based on the role list of my vault, but based on how much effort I've put into getting scum lynched this game, not to mention the fact that scum is trying to kill me.
If you had any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, you would have read that I received multiple sets of armor & used one last night because I knew scum would try to kill me after yesterday. The reasoning was obvious - obviously, scum want 103 members dead. So, after they cleared up everything they wanted to clear up from their own vaults they would start focusing on us.
I knew that would start last night & I knew it would start with me, because I've been the most aggressive out of vault 103 townies.

Now get off my nuts, jester.

[Mkoll]

I've been abducted by aliens idk what it does, doesnt seem to do much tho.
ALIENZ ARE FUCKING PURPLE YOU DUMB BITCH
THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW

[Manning]

-unvote

I need to reread the threads and think a little more. Leia is going to sleep now.

Also, Yoshimitsu was terrible at editing out his role claim in the melon chat roulette. He accidentally left it in that he claimed vigilante - did anyone besides me catch that? So yes, I can confirm that Brady is telling the truth about Yoshimitsu's role claim. I doubt Yoshimitsu would claim vigi as a bus driver. He might claim vigi as scum. That's why I thought Yoshimitsu was a fabricator.

In any case, -vote Manning

Do you wish to retract your amnesiac to bus driver claim? Manning and possibly Monica are scum, but it really only makes sense to lynch Manning after everything that has been said and the urgency of needing to lynch a potential disguiser if indeed, Monica is telling the truth.

Not at all. I told them I wished to remember to be like Yoshimitsu.

When I got on today, My new role was Bus Driver.

This is all I know for certain.

[Nina]

You haven't lynched a single mafia, only neutral riffraff
doesn't tell me much.
WHat's your role?