Day 5

[Forum Mafia GM]

Well there's quite a few new people in here.

Brotherhood of Steel is getting a bit maimed now.

[Lando]

Goddammit, why did I die? Why? Was I running into a Vet or what?

[Forum Mafia GM]

You came up against the Bodyguard.

The Enclave kill was then directed to you at the last moment.

Kinda fortunate since your role isn't as obvious, 'Killed in a duel' would definitely expose your cover (though working out that you were killed in a duel will be done pretty immediately I'm sure, it's a bit of a giveaway that no one else died from multiple attacks).

[Phoebe]

YO MOTHAFUCKAS.

Sorry Lando, I was wondering who to guard, you, Luke, or Paul. I chose wrongly...

[Phoebe]

Luna can we reveal our COM identities in Dead Chat?

[Bragg]

Lulz wow.. I bet Roger shot me huh? :p

[Lando]

The clean, it's the clean :)

[Lando]

It sucks that I died.... real hard. I so would have lynched Roger the Drug Dealer.

[Lando]

If Phoebe would have guarded me, it would have been perfect.

[Lando]

And I'm sure that orange is done for. Red pretty much, too - they used to much of their resources on orange.

[Bragg]

Guess we should've gone for that direct targeting after all, eh? Oh wellz :(

[Phoebe]

Lol Bragg. Orange text, fancy font...
I thought you were a puppet.

[Phoebe]

FM Master took away my video from my last will lol.

:(

[Bragg]

To be honest.. I didn't even know I was ventriloquist when I started using it haha!

I hadn't logged in on my normal account to see I had access to additional accounts.

[Bragg]

So yeah Lando, you were right that Phoebe was the only townie in our vault after all then. I thought it was between him and Paul.

Everyone else is scum. Biggs is red ventriloquist student, most likely.

[Phoebe]

You came up against the Bodyguard.

The Enclave kill was then directed to you at the last moment.

Kinda fortunate since your role isn't as obvious, 'Killed in a duel' would definitely expose your cover (though working out that you were killed in a duel will be done pretty immediately I'm sure, it's a bit of a giveaway that no one else died from multiple attacks).

Omg. I was going to get double-attacked?? LOL.

[Forum Mafia GM]

On Day 4 the NCR were in the minority, I need to crunch the numbers and see where things lie now.

Enclave are definitely in a strong position, though.

[Bragg]

@Phoebe: in case you hadn't noticed it yet.. Lando = actress. You shot our killer! You were successful! Kudos for being one of the first successful bodyguards in FM I guess :p

[Bragg]

Omg. I was going to get double-attacked?? LOL.
Nope, Lando was.

You shot our killer, and then the red mafia shot him again.

[Lando]

I was Actress. We wanted to kill Fluttershy tonight.
We switched Fluttershy with Luke and I attacked Luke. So you dueled me, Phoebe. But red mafia went to kill me either way.... so sad.
Roger shot Bragg.
Devourer killed Yoshimitsu.

[Lando]

If Phoebe had protected me, Fluttershy and the Red attacking em would have died. Maaaaaaan! I'm so furious right now.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I thought it was rather funny that five people died and not a single kill in the death descriptions was attributed to a mafia team.

[Bragg]

Yeah, it's quite unfortunate. But really I already knew we were screwed when the Stan thing happened. With King totally derping, we were 2 people short. And then there was our terrible luck in vault 21 as well. We were doomed from night 1 unless a miracle happened.

[Phoebe]

lolwut

[Phoebe]

Oh, I understand now.
Meh.

[Forum Mafia GM]

You were also unlucky that you got shot, Bragg - Roger was witched onto you.

But seriously Vault 66 completely imploded, it was hilarious xD Both mafia teams immediately suspected that the other ventriloquist was in Vault 66 from Night 0. Night 1 a Detective gets killed and everyone guessed that it was a Devourer - still, no one has the guts to just truthfully roleclaim.

Enclave and Devourer had no desire to see the BoS fall. You guys just never came out and identified yourselves, there was no conspiracy ^^

[Bragg]

At least you saved the afk sheriff who will now be freelynched ;)

[Forum Mafia GM]

I was really happy when Fluttershy was going to be killed - no messing about with free lynches!

Then Phoebe happened... :P

[Bragg]

Enclave and Devourer had no desire to see the BoS fall. You guys just never came out and identified yourselves, there was no conspiracy ^^
Why should we? I mean, I would've told the devourer my role just like the red mafia did.. but we were already 2 members short and I already lost a puppet because of their shennanigans, so I couldn't afford to reach out in day chat. It would only serve to help the red mafia win, not us.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I was really referring to the Vault stage, when Ben was getting lynched. Or before then, neither team came out and claimed, nor did the Devourer. Missed opportunities. I even liked the fact that it wasn't Phoebe who revealed the scumminess of the vault and made it a target for everyone else xD

[Lando]

Are we right with the assumption that the Student took a red Mentor and that the Devourer jailed a Red?
In this case, the red Mafia should have revealed! They had all the information. After the reds reveal, the oranges do the same and the last town gets lynched.

[Lando]

So yeah. Roger got actually witched now. And not just for show.

[Bragg]

Are we right with the assumption that the Student took a red Mentor and that the Devourer jailed a Red?
In this case, the red Mafia should have revealed! They had all the information. After the reds reveal, the oranges do the same and the last town gets lynched.
Indeed.. I was thinking the same thing. We didn't have the connections. Wicket only reached out after lynching Ben (who probably got hammered by Biggs, which was extremely early!)

[Lando]

I gotta say that I dig it, that so many guys trusted me. I would have been the perfect Sheriff. My best act!

[Bragg]

I just realised this is the second time I use a bus drive to kill one of my own mafia... lol

[Bragg]

Well, you were going to die either way from the mafia shot.

Witch thought I was town, mafia thought I was town (on Ben), mafia thought Lando was town.

Dafuq..

I think we should've been scummier. We might have lived :p

[Lando]

No, not being scummy was the best thing for my role. It makes my last will pretty deadly. I can even mislynch once (framer).

[Lando]

Why are the guys in the alien game not playing? It's awesome but the don't do anything? makes me sad.

[Bragg]

Did Jabba pick Mkoll as his mentor?

With the tattoo and all? ;)

[Lando]

I don't buy his student claim for now.

[Lando]

Let's see how much time it takes for them to reveal that I was an Actress,

[Bragg]

Vader is suspecting it already.

And maybe Jabba and Biggs are going to pretend to be student/mentor, and Jabba is mafia who tried to push a lynch on his vault's sheriff.

[Bragg]

Holy crap. With just the 4 of us we have more posts than the day chat itself!

[Forum Mafia GM]

Did Jabba pick Mkoll as his mentor?

With the tattoo and all? ;)

Yes ^^

[Lando]

Vader is suspecting Brostin to be Actress...

[Forum Mafia GM]

Vader is probably suspecting Lando is an Actress because Vader is a Sheriff who has pretty much confirmed themselves as a Sane Sheriff and has a Suspicious result on Lando.

[Bragg]

Ah, that's also possible I guess. I thought he was seeking for an explanation for how you got "attacked" twice.

[Lando]

Can we replace the aliens? They are afk... they never lynched... why? The Saboteur isn't a problem at all from what I read. Just random lynch players the first 3 days and then look out for the leader. Why should they lynch any other alien... It's just one opposing vote.

[Forum Mafia GM]

That Applejack is so rude.

[Lando]

XD
At least he shows up.

[Lando]

But aren't you just trolling them?
Is there a Godfather (Strike Force Lieutenant) in there at all, or a Mayor?

[Lando]

inb4 no Saboteur and no leaders

[Forum Mafia GM]

Poor Boba.

He was the only one that managed to get the vote in on Nina. He's also attacking Beru for voting in yellow, when the vault had agreed to post their secret ballot votes in yellow so they could know the voting intentions.

[Bragg]

... Luna is trolling is with this horrid colour scheme lol

[Lando]

Hehe, didn't knew that had that color for a theme.

[Phoebe]

You were also unlucky that you got shot, Bragg - Roger was witched onto you.

But seriously Vault 66 completely imploded, it was hilarious xD Both mafia teams immediately suspected that the other ventriloquist was in Vault 66 from Night 0. Night 1 a Detective gets killed and everyone guessed that it was a Devourer - still, no one has the guts to just truthfully roleclaim.

Enclave and Devourer had no desire to see the BoS fall. You guys just never came out and identified yourselves, there was no conspiracy ^^

Wut? There were 2 ventriloquists in Vault 66?? Sometimes this mindblows me.

[Bragg]

Yes Phoebe, I was trying to do some damage to the red mafia voting block when I revealed my "roles list" yesterday. Unfortunately, nobody is going to pick up on it. Not that it matters anymore for the orange maf. It's going to sting for the town though. They'd be best off just killing that whole vault off now.

[Lando]

There are exactly 3 options for the "missing" bodyguard kill:
1)Lando attacked the protected target
2)Yoshimitsu attacked it while being cleaned. More attacks on him won't matter.
3)The one shot by bodyguard survived (vest/immunity/healed)

[Bragg]

You forgot one particularly funny one that I've seen happen in SC2 mafia sometimes..

Lando visited a veteran and the bodyguard protected him

[Phoebe]

Yes Phoebe, I was trying to do some damage to the red mafia voting block when I revealed my "roles list" yesterday. Unfortunately, nobody is going to pick up on it. Not that it matters anymore for the orange maf. It's going to sting for the town though. They'd be best off just killing that whole vault off now.

Lmfao, I'm so lazy, I should've just updated my last will saying who I targetted. I didn't think it would be so important. 8)
I don't even feel like I did much, just moar confusion.

Right, so wtf, I never expected that whole vault to be full of scum. Braggs, why no maf keel?? Also were u scared when I was about to random lynch your puppet? Lol.

[Lando]

Yeah, I forgot that one. XD

We had such a nice plan and it all fell apart. Honestly, I didn't expect the mafia to shoot me - at all. I considered the Bodyguard on Luke for a moment, but then thought the chance was low enough to go for it.

[Bragg]

Correction: someone other than Lando visited a veteran and the bodyguard protected him

[Yoshimitsu]

Awwww, dang Devourer. I was the bus driver

[Lando]

Because the Ventriloquists can't kill. And they were the only mafia in the Vault.

[Lando]

Btw you are wrong on Francine

[Bragg]

Did you claim in jail? The devourer was a confirmed role :p

[Phoebe]

Yeah, I forgot that one. XD

We had such a nice plan and it all fell apart. Honestly, I didn't expect the mafia to shoot me - at all. I considered the Bodyguard on Luke for a moment, but then thought the chance was low enough to go for it.

What can I say?
BADASS HEAD VIGI 8)

[Bragg]

In hindsight, we should've bus driven YOU with Luke :p

[Phoebe]

Because the Ventriloquists can't kill. And they were the only mafia in the Vault.

Oh, in the role card it said Ventriloquist can kill if he is the only mafia. Since KPN was seperate in each vault, I confused myself.

[Lando]

The funniest thing was that both Ventriloquists thought that you are a puppet.

Well, I spent a lot of hours on this. Gonna be away for some time now and check back sporadicly (as if... gonna follow the whole thing).

[Bragg]

Oh, in the role card it said Ventriloquist can kill if he is the only mafia. Since KPN was seperate in each vault, I confused myself.
That was one of the first questions I asked in our night chat. Luna said no ;(

[Lando]

I'm intrigued to see the roles list and the night actions.

[Lando]

Btw who's role you do wanna have revealed?

[Bragg]

Vader please.

-deadlynch Vader

[Forum Mafia GM]

I'm intrigued to see the roles list and the night actions.

It makes for entertaining reading, can't wait for the end of the game until I can reveal it!

[Lando]

Player who's role I'd like to know:
Brees, Wedge, Jin, Romo, Vader, Brady

[Lando]

Vader (Witch) is on my list:
-lynch Vader
Does the COM thingy still apply in here?

[Bragg]

One of Brees/Wedge/Luke is probably mortician or coroner. Maybe a Lookout or something as well.

I have no clue about Brady.

[Phoebe]

I hope saving Luke was really worth it.
-vote Vader

[Lando]

lol at Biggs post: My money for Devourer is on Rodgers

Luke is Citizen.. if I'm correct

[Bragg]

You didn't save Luke. You saved Fluttershy the freelynched naive/insane sheriff ;)

Maybe Biggs is just distancing himself from a red mafia puppet? Or Jabba is actually mafia and Biggs wants to direct the vote to the puppet to make him look like town?

The devourer can win with mafia.. there's no way he'd lynch the devourer.

[Bragg]

By the way Yoshimitsu, we thought you were mafia :p

[Bragg]

The town needs someone like Leia to come online to start leading them. They're all just grasping at straws from their own vaults now.

[Phoebe]

Before I knew Ventrilos/Puppets could be in different vaults, I thought Biggs could've been a puppet.

[Lando]

My personal secondary goal is to not be revealed as an Actress until a Coroner checks me. I'm happy if I make it to the rest of the game like that. But it prolly won't happen.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Does the COM thingy still apply in here?

No, it didn't even apply in your night chat (but as I said, it was fun if you don't know, and the Enclave haven't claimed in their chat either).

But in the graveyard, yeah it doesn't matter so go ahead.

[Lando]

If Stan hadn't died I could have made more use of the Assault Rifle. Sucks!

[Lando]

Well, here in the dead chat it doesn't really matter anymore.

[Bragg]

Yeah... now we're dead anyway I don't think it matters much :wondering:

[Bragg]

We were victims of misfortune. And one bad player on our team (I think everyone else did alright)

[Lando]

In the regular night chat it actually does matter. But now we won't need to strategize anymore. I'm Phyr btw. Mr Ask-A-Fuckload-Of-Questions (2/3 of the FAQ is me)

[Phoebe]

I like how people are wondering how I died. It's like my death is so famous 8)

[Phoebe]

I'm Ash. Funny thing is is that I was taking part of Blazer's Army Men S-FM and I got Bodyguard too. And I killed scum. too. but we lost.
cool story rite?

[Lando]

I shroud you in mystery XD

[Forum Mafia GM]

I'm Luna.

[Bragg]

I'm Luna.
OH SHIT I NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED! NICE WIFOM!

[Bragg]

BorkBot, my name is.

(why I no get Yoda?)

[Forum Mafia GM]

The town needs someone like Leia to come online to start leading them. They're all just grasping at straws from their own vaults now.

Yeah Leia can come online and continue telling people why there's a third BoS member in her vault.

Best part? She thought she had a Gunsmith gun last night (from the drugging) and tried to shoot Yoshimitsu.

Made me lol ^^

[Lando]

I'm not really good with the whole identifying thing, but I think that Vader is Sumi. Otherwise I got no idea.
Awesome I was Mafia with BorkBot. Yay

[Lando]

So she actually was roleblocked.

[Lando]

interesting that they didn't sort through the claims with 2 mafia lynched.

[Bragg]

Tebow/Monica = escort?

I thought the "3rd BoS member & orange drug dealer" was an excuse to lynch one of the gunsmith claimers without revealing the escort. I figured they had done a mass roleclaim inside their vault.

[Forum Mafia GM]

No, they never sorted through the claims at all.

Which was such a shame for Larkin. Tebow = 0 posts, could have told everyone that Larkin DID give him something. Leia was also blocked by a town role who didn't reveal.

[Bragg]

Ah.. I reckon it's a medical student. I already said I figured ther had to be some protective role there with all those guns flying around + mafia night kills.

med student blocks + heals. Makes sense.

They REALLY should have done a mass roleclaim. If I had been town in that vault, I would've called for it.

[Lando]

Monica is Cit, Mkoll is Med Student, Tebow is Sheriff, Leia is Journalist. That's all the remaining folks from Vault 103.

[Bragg]

I don't blame Leia for trying to shoot Yoshi. I thought he was scum too, from his posting style and wild accusations. Looked like a confusion strategy to me.

[Lando]

Well, King was on trial. Ergo not dead yet. But he was pretty obvious. 3 mafia is way to much considering their numbers in the Vault. So yeah, they could have done it. But I guess they didn't trust balance.

[Lando]

The funny thing is, she doesn't know that it didn't work. So she still might believe the gun was real.

[Bragg]

Heh, true :p

[Lando]

Hah, another question in the day chat that was already answered! Awesomeness

[Lando]

We both doubled our post count since the beginning of this day.

[Phoebe]

Loooooooooooool @ possibility of me killed by Spree killer.

I think Luke gets notified of being attacked and bodyguarded?? Gonna check role card.

[Phoebe]

Loooooooooooool @ possibility of me killed by Spree killer.

I think Luke gets notified of being attacked and bodyguarded?? Gonna check role card.

Doesn't say anything. Probably not.

[Lando]

Check the FAQ ;)

[Bragg]

I don't think bodyguard gives notification. And again, Ash.. it wasn't Luke you protected. You protected Fluttershy :p

As a side note, I have to admit I was overwhelmed by the complexity of this setup and I didn't spend enough time preparing for it. I asked a lot of stuff that was already answered somewhere.. I don't normally have that.

[Bragg]

So even if your target did get notification, they're going to die without saying a word.

[Lando]

Will the target be notified of a successful Bodyguard protection?
The Bodyguard's target will not be notified of anything, unless the Bodyguard was unsuccessful.

I sat down most of day 0 and compiled everything that wasn't clear into questions. Took me more than 10 hours I think.

[Phoebe]

So even if your target did get notification, they're going to die without saying a word.

LOL.

[Bragg]

Oh man.. 10 hours? That's dedication. You should get MVP for that :p

[Bragg]

LOL.

Yeah.. we swapped Luke and Fluttershy :(

[Lando]

And would use the missing switch claim to frame Wicket. I was going to get a suspicious result on Luke.

[Phoebe]

I'm still confused about something, though.
Bus Driver and Kidnapper have different abilities than SC2 abilities?

If Fluttershy was switched with Luke, why did I visit Fluttershy??

[Lando]

Luna told me that a lot of Sheriffs came to check me. Is it because I am so much town, that they want to see what their actual "not suspicious" result is? xD

You wanted to target Luke. But when you arrived at Luke's house there stands Fluttershy instead. A bus driver switched their positions.

[Bragg]

Fluttershy was switched with Luke.. you targeted Luke for your bodyguard, so your target was changed to Fluttershy.

Lando attacked Luke because we wanted to kill Fluttershy and have a missing BD claim, which we were going to use to frame one of the red mafia puppets using Lando's sheriff claim to make it more solid and to cut down the red maf numbers.

[Phoebe]

Luna told me that a lot of Sheriffs came to check me. Is it because I am so much town, that they want to see what their actual "not suspicious" result is? xD

You wanted to target Luke. But when you arrived at Luke's house there stands Fluttershy instead. A bus driver switched their positions.

K, I wasn't sure.

pretty funny though. alot of sheriffs checked you, and when you died you came up as sheriff.
MOAR CONFUSION.

[Bragg]

Luna told me that a lot of Sheriffs came to check me. Is it because I am so much town, that they want to see what their actual "not suspicious" result is? xD

I think they checked you because you were the tally keeper :smile:

[Lando]

See, the tally keeper was town yet again :p

[Phoebe]

Fluttershy was switched with Luke.. you targeted Luke for your bodyguard, so your target was changed to Fluttershy.

Lando attacked Luke because we wanted to kill Fluttershy and have a missing BD claim, which we were going to use to frame one of the red mafia puppets using Lando's sheriff claim to make it more solid and to cut down the red maf numbers.

Sounds legit.

[Lando]

I got to say that during the short time I was allowed to play, I grew to love the role of the Actress. You can play obvious town to your hearts content and then proceed to mess with them at key moments of the game. And your words gain so much weight, when you die with the correct role.

[Phoebe]

See, the tally keeper was town yet again :p

Due to my prejudice moment, this is why I didn't guard you tbh. I thought Luke would most likely be town.

[Lando]

It was not only to cut down red mafia but also to make the town use the lynch on red and not on us. As long as I would feed red to town, Tarkin and co would be safe.

[Lando]

It saddens me that lurking is such a widely accepted strategy. And the really sad thing is, it works. The investigative roles tend to target the prominent players instead of the lurking one's.

[Bragg]

It was pretty sad that in the last MFM I took part in, they called me SCUMMY for investigating a known lurker/non-contributor first chance I got, for the exact reason you mention above. Combine that with fake claiming neutral on day 1 and sheriff on day 2 in order to pretend I was executioner towards the mafia so I'd stay alive, and they lynched me with 7 votes before I even got online.

That was a really bad game for town... much worse even than this one, lol..

[Lando]

I think they lynched you because you defended Luna pretty hard. I wasn't around when you actually got lynched. I could only follow the day that Luna got lynched.

[Lando]

But I totally agree with your decision to investigate Blazer. I hate it, when the players don't even try to cooperate openly, because they know that they can get away with it.

[Bragg]

I had a better target that dropped way more scumtells, and the majority of my rant came after she was lynched. If I had been mafia, why would I bother doing that? The town's level of thinking wasn't very high that game.

At least now the town is trying to come up with some logical conclusions, and there are some people second guessing certain theories.

[Bragg]

Hmm.. with the way Biggs is behaving, I'm starting to second guess my own guess at the roles list from vault 66 :p

Is Wicket really the devourer and is Biggs trying to remove him so that nobody will bother to do anything about the red ventriloquist? Or is he trying to get the lynch off Jabba?

:huh:

[Lando]

I didn't see exactly what went down. But after Luna claimed herself through all those roles, she was confirmed scum in my eyes. Your arguing after that made me consider a maybe.
We got like 17 dead players. We will never see the dead lynch before the day ends.

Did Biggs really take a Mentor?

[Lando]

I don't think that Rodgers will be able to pull off his Sheriff stunt.

[Lando]

well, gn8. I'm effin' tired.

[Phoebe]

good night brah.

also i hate how people refer to me as a "she" even after i put a kermit the frog avatar.

[Bragg]

Miss Piggy would've been more apt :p

[Phoebe]

FM Game Master can we make our own threads?

[Yoshimitsu]

Did you claim in jail? The devourer was a confirmed role :p

yes I did

[Yoshimitsu]

So Orange Mafia has like 2 guys left, one of which is a disguiser? LOL!

[Yoda]

BorkBot, my name is.

(why I no get Yoda?)

Because I'm Yoda! Sadly people didn't like that I was talking like Yoda all the time :D

[Yoda]

My favorite quotes of Mkoll:

"You all know my opinion of Brostin already.
He was completely useless if he wasn't intelligent enough to see how him staying alive would benefit town in the long run. He talks about others being tunnel-visioned, but couldn't see past "If you think I'm scum, then you must be scum" retard mentality. Fuckin' nubs like that should get cit, just sayin."

"Good logic.
The same could be said about anyone else by anyone else in this game.
Why don't you give us a real reason for your vote, you lurking fuck? "

I'm Luna.

[Eddy]

I could tell you who I am now, but thats no fun. So you guess if you actually care to find out :P

Leia and Tebow saw the obvious and mentioned it! At long last, lol... But surprise surprise, nobody is trying to lynch Tarkin... Fail.

[Lando]

Btw, we went to kill you either way :D
Your luring did nothing

[Forum Mafia GM]

FM Game Master can we make our own threads?

Of course :)

[Lando]

Well, looks like Monica is the coroner if her claim in the Vault chat is to be trusted. Less Citizens than I thought overall.

[Forum Mafia GM]

There were quite a few citizens, still some around. Only one citizen has used their clue. Not a single scum player has claimed citizen - I think this is a first? I don't know whether I'm disappointed because I was looking forward to faked clues, or happy because my plan worked and the lack of an Investigator along with lots of easy to fake roles means PR claim galore.

[Lando]

I really like the no Investigator thing. I think it makes the game much more fun.

[Bragg]

There were quite a few citizens, still some around. Only one citizen has used their clue. Not a single scum player has claimed citizen - I think this is a first?
Wrong... I claimed citizen and the witch killed me for it? :p


Leia and Tebow saw the obvious and mentioned it! At long last, lol... But surprise surprise, nobody is trying to lynch Tarkin... Fail.
It wouldn't help the town that much to lynch Tarkin. Red mafia's the greater threat.

[Lando]

Can we gather some more votes on Vader?

Reducing the kpn is helpful for Town, so killing off the Devourer should be priority number 1 right now.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I know one thing for certain; the NCR can't afford a mislynch.

The Enclave are in a ridiculously strong position. It's now a race against time, the vault system makes it difficult for scum to hide but with only one lynch per day it might not matter.

If the evil neutrals and remaining BoS can distract the town and the Enclave ventriloquist can direct the attention onto his puppets then the NCR will be killed off too rapidly - even if the kpn drops from a Devourer lynch & BoS deaths.

P.S. Whoever has most deadlynch votes at the end of the day is revealed, no need for majority.

[Bragg]

Well, if it's Rachel, then ok. Hope I will not be attacked this night. But Manning claiming himself amnesiac as well? Either both of us are Amnesiacs, or he is lying. If I am to take Rachel's role, then he must take Lando's sheriff role as well to prove that he is Amnesiac. Sound like a good deal, right?
KUFUFU

That'd be funny :p

[Lando]

There are still plenty of neutrals that can vote with Town. And I expect the one or the other Mafia to jump on a bandwaggon of a Mafia of the other color.

A majority would reveal Vader's role now.

[Lando]

KUFUFU

That'd be funny :p
Wouldn't that be awesome?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Lando there is one question I want to ask; why did you not vote in the day 3 secret ballot regarding the gunsmith tools? Only one person voted ^^

[Forum Mafia GM]

Just waiting for a cultist to show up in the graveyard now...

[Bragg]

Wait, there's actually a cult? Damn. Town is so screwed.

[Lando]

Lando there is one question I want to ask; why did you not vote in the day 3 secret ballot regarding the gunsmith tools? Only one person voted ^^
I explained my honest circumstances in the Mafia night chat during the RP between Bragg and me.
I was away and didn't make it back in time to send my vote in. I forgot to do it earlier. sadface

I'm intrigued to know Yoda's role. Mb Monica will reveal it today, but I doubt so.

There is no cult! The Alien Mothership gave it away!

[Bragg]

Yeah, I guess 2 cults would be OP.

[Bragg]

I still want to play a FM with 2 cults though.. but having 2 mafias as well is a bit much then.

[Forum Mafia GM]

The Alien Mothership has 0% chance to make it to the surface, no Godfathers or Mayors in the game, it is completely separate from FMXIII xD

It's just funny that only person voted in the gunsmith ballot. They voted for themselves. The *may* have been an Enclave member, who just *may* have given the tools to another Enclave member, so the Enclave *may* have their own resident gunsmith.

Town really did not help themselves in ANY secret ballots in this game.

[Lando]

It's just funny that only person voted in the gunsmith ballot. They voted for themselves. The *may* have been an Enclave member, who just *may* have given the tools to another Enclave member, so the Enclave *may* have their own resident gunsmith.
Impossibru! There is only 1 enclave member in Vault 9. Either he received the ability or he gave it away to Witch/Town.

hmm 2 Cult... dunno seems to screw with town to much. 2 recruitings can't be compensated by 1 lynch. Town would need to have a lot of possibilities to kill.
What about this: The cults are Pacifists and convert the armed Town to pacifism (their cult). After the Townie got converted he looses any ability to kill at night (if he had one).
Lots of killing roles with town. No Mafia. :)

[Bragg]

The Alien Mothership has 0% chance to make it to the surface, no Godfathers or Mayors in the game, it is completely separate from FMXIII xD
LOL, that would've been cruel if they had actually tried :p

[Bragg]

Impossibru! There is only 1 enclave member in Vault 9. Either he received the ability or he gave it away to Witch/Town.
She means that the mafia voted himself, got the gunsmith ability and is now going to distributing guns among his own mafia.


hmm 2 Cult... dunno seems to screw with town to much. 2 recruitings can't be compensated by 1 lynch. Town would need to have a lot of possibilities to kill.
Nah, they would just need the normal assortment of vigilante/jailor and a couple of confirmed masons.

[Lando]

There is no Cult. It's to easy to narrow the Cult Leader down with all those Vaults. Unless he may recruit from any Vault even during the Vault phase.

On the Topic of 2 Cult: You may add in one Mafia. But I'd give the Cult Leader night immunity. The Masons in this game would be the Vigilante Guild. Every converted Citizen becomes a 1-shot Vigilante. The Big Gun Vigilante (Mason Leader) isn't night immune and isn't replaced by any members of the Vigilante Guild.

The Gunsmith appointer can't appoint himself to be Gunsmith.

[Lando]

The Cult setups can fail terribly in terms of balance. If the Cult gets killed off early, Town gets a free pass. If they can't find the CL in time it's an auto loss, because their numbers dwindle too fast. A recruiting is like the strongest ability in the game. It removes a member from one faction and adds it to another.

[Bragg]

Ah yeah true. Luna why u trolling us? :evil:

A traditional mason faction with replaceable mason leader works too, just have a delay for the replacement like in Yayap's FM.

[Lando]

So are you suggesting something like this?
Cult Leader
Cult Leader
Mafia x6
Neutral x4
Mason Leader
Mason
Town x16

[Lando]

I don't like the whole deal about the cult suicides. Make them slower in recruiting and replace the CL after time. It doesn't fuck up the balance that hard, if something goes wrong.

[Bragg]

What you need in a cult centered game is a few unconvertable and/or anti-cult roles. Masons, enforcer, that "infiltrator" thing someone suggested maybe.. in my own cult game I had doctor that was immune to conversion as well. And cult members didn't suicide after their leader died.

[Bragg]

That game still snowballed, but that was mainly because one guy who was culted didn't read about the feedback message he received and he outed 2 of his fellow cultists :p

[Bragg]

Cult Leader
Cult Leader
Mafia x6
Neutral x4
Mason Leader
Mason
Town x16
Yeah, something like that. With conversion immune mafia and mason leader.

[Forum Mafia GM]

The person who gives out the gunsmith tools gets is chosen as the vault empties. It says nothing about limiting the gunsmith tools to your vault, he can choose anyone :weird:

[Yoda]

I'm intrigued to know Yoda's role.

A Jedi, I am.

[Lando]

The person who gives out the gunsmith tools gets is chosen as the vault empties. It says nothing about limiting the gunsmith tools to your vault, he can choose anyone :weird:
Errm. Gotta check something...

I followed that game quite closely as you might remember. Goremancer doesn't use his "award" in his sig anymore. :)
Additionally the Banshee was immune to lynches and night kills. So you made sure that the Cult was a staying power.

Btw what would Yoda say?
-His last will not find we could.
-Not find his last will, we could.
-His last will, we could not find.

[Bragg]

His last will, find it we could not.

[Lando]

The handing out of the gun does not have to be the very night I get the power to, right? And I'm assuming the witch cannot control me to give gunsmith to a certain person since it's not really an ability?

It must be given out tonight, but it may be given to any living player in the game.
THIS escaped my attention. Goddamnit.

[Yoda]

KUFUFU I'm Sumikoko :)

[Lando]

KUFUFU I'm Sumikoko :)
I call bs on that.

[Lando]

Preeeetty sure that Vader is Sumikoko.

[Lando]

How about tweaking the Spree killer?
Give him the ability to choose between the SK or Spree Killer ability?
Otherwise the killings are too unstable throughout the game and he will remain a Host WIFOM phenomenon.

[Bragg]

I actually like that idea. Having more options would make the role affect games in a better way than just "increasing the KPN by 1."

[Yoda]

How about a jester with a chainsaw?

[Bragg]

I think it'd be entertaining if a jester could choose the feedback message of his visit like a drug dealer.

[Lando]

I think it'd be entertaining if a jester could choose the feedback message of his visit like a drug dealer.
Take it a step further. Give him the ability to fake night chats like the Jailors. Or the Chairmans or Architects. Of course always only with the annoyed person invited.

Well, now that I'm dead nobody will distract from Tarkin. And btw I got the Assault Rifle. I would have used it next night.

[Lando]

On Yoda's role I'd be guessing Hitman or Gypsy Lady. Schoolteacher is unlikely with Boba as Escort.

[Bragg]

But...but... Yoda was a school teacher in the prequels!

[Lando]

Can we troll the day chat by sending Ben to give them cryptic messages?

[Lando]

Other than Yoda he is still alive.

[Bragg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF70kTThgks

Give jesters a ventriloquist puppet and Architect night chat. He can make all sorts of ploys to lynch himself :p

[Forum Mafia GM]

+1000000 for posting a Discworld video! That game was one of the best ever made.

[Bragg]

Woot another classic adventure gamer :p

Yeah, I had loads of fun with it, with all of the silly item usage and insane characters :D

[Forum Mafia GM]

Whenever I read Guards! Guards! I always imagine that moment in the game where you sit in on the ceremony.

As a huge Discworld fan that game was sensational. It just meshed together so many of the storylines and characters.

[Bragg]

I've only read a few of the books. I'm currently at Mort. A friend of mine has the whole series and I occasionally borrow a book from him.

[Forum Mafia GM]

The writing style really changes, they go from zany to subtle comedy.

My favourite is probably Night Watch. The Guards books are my favourite, in Night Watch we step away from the modern and funny Ankh-Morpork and head back to the dangerous and edgy Ankh-Morpork where the humour doesn't come from drunk dwarfs and the Patrician etc. but from torture and revolution; it's dark and it's fantastic, most of the later books mix comedy and drama really well.

[Lando]

Give jesters a ventriloquist puppet and Architect night chat. He can make all sorts of ploys to lynch himself :p
The guys in the Architect chat aren't anonymous. But I don't think it matters. The puppet alone could be enough to get him lynched.
Imagine the puppet claiming Detective at found the Jester visiting the killed target of the night. Jester admits visiting the target, but for other reasons. Proceed with a beautiful Lionel and you are lynched.

[Forum Mafia GM]

And we've almost overtaken the live day chat again.

I'm still happy with the level of activity, my theory held up. The host can break the ice by giving players discussion points, and once the debates begin they never really stop.

I think Day 1 was probably my favourite day of FMXIII. Soooo many people complained about a second 'troll' day with no night actions - they soon discovered why there's no such thing as 'troll day' in serious mafia games, lots of good debate.

And I don't think that Jesters need any help in forum mafia, it's a fairly easy role :P

[Bragg]

I see. Yeah, my friend also recommended the guards part of the series but I'm the kind of person who needs to start at the beginning and go from there.

I must say I really enjoyed the bit in the Colour of Magic with Hrun the barbarian. The way Pratchett described his primal train of thought was quite hilarious to me :p

Equal Rites was a really fun read as well, but I didn't like the Light Fantastic as much.

[Bragg]

I didn't really like the vault section of my own vault. Not enough was happening there because neither of us ventriloquists had any false trails to encourage. Maybe you could've given us a special mechanic to mess around with as well.

[Bragg]

^
Lots of really up there for real

[Forum Mafia GM]

You each had three accounts, just create your own trails, argue with yourselves, force claims, end up leading a lynch on someone else. There was a distinct lack of creativity in Vault 66, you were all content to just act really scummy and lurk :P

Which was entertaining in its own way, since people complained to me privately about the lurking but didn't do anything to remedy it.

[Lando]

And I don't think that Jesters need any help in forum mafia, it's a fairly easy role :P
True it just would make it even more fun.

I got to say that I am really happy with the investigative roles this game. There is almost nothing where scum can get immediately found (Lookout seeing one 1 person visiting a killed target). The lack of investigator gives much more freedom to claim. A number of easy to claim roles is nice, too.

The role distribution is well rounded from what I know and most of the Town still haven't figured out how it is structured.

Ventriloquist is a pretty hard role. You need to have quite some time on your hands to use it to its fullest.

Btw Bragg, why did you never show up with Ben on day 3? I mean before the hammer.

[Lando]

With only 1 Town left, you could have claimed puppet and would prolly have gotten away with it.
If they back off, you can easily find the last town and the Vault is yours. You had a really good start with Devourer killing the Detective. It was like the best thing that could happen to you.

[Lando]

And thanks for all those timely answered questions, Luna. I wonder how you are managing all of this.

[Yoda]

Guess I should take a look at the other vaults. I had the feeling that some people just don't play at all and I'm chatting with the same 2-3 guys all the time.

Btw: I loved Discworld for its zany comedy too :)

[Bragg]

You each had three accounts, just create your own trails, argue with yourselves, force claims, end up leading a lynch on someone else. There was a distinct lack of creativity in Vault 66, you were all content to just act really scummy and lurk :P

The days were too short and there wasn't enough material to discuss for what I wanted to do with the ventriloquist. Bragg was supposed to be the crazy conspiracy theory guy, but there were no night events to tie into. Lei was supposed to be the expendable lurker/newb that I could vote out when it was convenient. Ben was the voice of reason I'd use to ask the right questions and lead. I probably should have switched the posting times for Lei and Ben around, but I didn't know we'd only have 24 hour days part of the game and by the time day 1 came it was already too late as I set the posting times on day 0. The reason I picked Lei's posting time initially was because it was in the middle of the night for me and the risk to slip up would be greater if I was tired.

The ideas I had for my ventriloquist usage had no way of succeeding in a vault full of scum and no night actions. And admittedly I don't adapt very easily once I have a game plan in my head.


Btw Bragg, why did you never show up with Ben on day 3? I mean before the hammer.

Each of my accounts was active during a different part of the day to create distance and Ben just happened to be at the end of the day. I would've brought him in a while after I posted on Bragg with a fake vote and hoped people would be scared to hammer because it was a scummy thing to do. When he got hammered I just didn't bother anymore.

[Bragg]

Because Ben was actually valuable to me, I wasn't about to claim puppet on him. On Lei I would've done it without a second thought.

[Bragg]

Paul (or whoever the ventriloquist is) is probably is their gunsmith :p

[Yoda]

And thanks for all those timely answered questions, Luna. I wonder how you are managing all of this.

aliens

[Lando]

Well we "knew" that there was only 1 town left. So it didn't really matter at that point if Ben gets revealed as puppet or not. Because only scum will know and scum got better things to do than to "reveal" you. Like actually working together.
The main thing was though that I mislead you. I honestly thought that nobody could get lynched in that Vault. Therefor you couldn't have cleaned up after you. My bad.
I would have loved to see the possibilities of a Vault full of scum. You could have claimed to have lynched 2 Mafia and the benign neutrals being student that already chose his mentor and the other one being Survivor (clear as benign by a Sheriff). Then you would have a Jailor, (working) Sheriff and anything else you want.

Btw I'd really like to see an "oblivion" pill on the drug dealer: prevents feedback messages originating from other players (investigative roles still work). That possibility can mess so hard with Town, but still requires smart use.

[Bragg]

aliens

You are an alien!

[Forum Mafia GM]

Flexibility would have helped you. I think you also stuck too rigidly to your 'posting times' - this is 2012, the average person sleeps eight hours a day, the other sixteen hours are available for posting. Even if Ben and Bragg were on the other side of the world, there would be a large portion of the day where their posting times could overlap.

The Enclave and Devourer probably thought Ben truly was the last town simply because they thought the other Ventri/Puppet would have claimed, rather than support the lynch with his other accounts.

[Lando]

Btw I'd really like to see an "oblivion" pill on the drug dealer: prevents feedback messages originating from other players (investigative roles still work). That possibility can mess so hard with Town, but still requires smart use.
Though it's probably too strong in conjunction with a Kidnapper.
Imagine the WTF moment when an investigative role gets roleblocked and "oblivion" pilled. xD

[Yoda]

this is 2012, the average person sleeps eight hours a day

;(

[Lando]

The Dead chat thread has officially surpassed the Day chat thread in activity.

Now is this a signal that the dead players are awesome, or that the live players are flailing? xD
We are awesome! Only explanation.

[Yoda]

I'm still sad because my last will got cleaned :\

[Lando]

I'm still sad because my last will got cleaned :\
Share it with us :)

And I really like my post with the summary about all the Vaults (Player List/Roles List/Graveyard). I use it all the time to look up information on the Vaults. Yeah, even in dead chat.

[Bragg]

I would have loved to see the possibilities of a Vault full of scum. You could have claimed to have lynched 2 Mafia and the benign neutrals being student that already chose his mentor and the other one being Survivor (clear as benign by a Sheriff). Then you would have a Jailor, (working) Sheriff and anything else you want.
Sounds really cool in theory, but it wouldn't work.

Some neutral killer, a veteran or a witch controlling Roger's gun would kill one person and suddenly the whole vault is exposed to be full of liars. Same thing if an investigative role finds a detail that incriminates a single player of that vault.

In addition, the devourer couldn't know if Ben was already lynched as soon as Biggs voted. Because he loses when he dies, he'd be reluctant to comply and might hammer to look pro-town in case the ventriloquist claimer is wrong.

Furthermore, one mafia could backstab the others and call them liars so they get all the credibility for themselves and the town will be busy lynching/killing their enemies (which is actually what we planned to do).

It's just not practical.. It's like claiming masons as mafia.

[Bragg]

As for the 8 hours of sleep and 16 hours to post thing.. That doesn't fly for more than half of the FM players. Many are only online a few hours a day in the evenings after work/school and they might have other hobbies to keep them occupied as well.

[Lando]

Ackbar(Detective) - Vault 5
Ben(Puppet) - Vault 66
Beru(Janitor) - Vault 37
Biggs(Student) - Vault 66
Boba(Escort) - Vault 37
Chewbacca(Saboteur) - Vault 103
Greedo(Citizen) - Vault 103
Han(Citizen) - Vault 9
Jabba(Student) - Vault 37
Lando(Actress) - Vault 9
Leia(Journalist) - Vault 103
Luke(Citizen) - Vault 21
Tarkin(Grave Robber) - Vault 21
Owen(Citizen) - Vault 21
Vader(Witch) - Vault 9
Wedge(Town) - Vault 21
Wicket(Puppet) - Vault 66
Yoda(???) - Vault 37
Fluttershy(Sheriff) - Vault 9
Chandler(Citizen) - Vault 37
Ross(Town) - Vault 37
Rachel(Detective) - Vault 66
Monica(Coroner) - Vault 103
Phoebe(Bodyguard) - Vault 66
Stan(Fabricator) - Vault 103
Francine(Corrupt Journalist) - Vault 5
Roger(Drug Dealer) - Vault 9
Steve(Citizen) - Vault 5
Hayley(Citizen) - Vault 5
Klaus(Devourer) - Vault 66
Gaunt(Lawyer) - Vault 5
Mkoll(Medical Student) - Vault 103
Rawne(Armoursmith) - Vault 21
Bragg(Ventriloquist) - Vault 66
Brostin(Sheriff) - Vault 37
Larkin(Arms Dealer) - Vault 103
Tebow(Sheriff) - Vault 103
Vick(Kidnapper) - Vault 21
Brady(Spy) - Vault 5
Rodgers(Puppet) - Vault 66
Brees(Town) - Vault 21
Manning(Amnesiac) - Vault 21
Romo(Doctor) - Vault 9
King(Consort) - Vault 103
Heihachi(Citizen) - Vault 9
Yoshimitsu(Bus Driver) - Vault 5
Law(Consigliere) - Vault 5
Nina(Framer) - Vault 37
Paul(Ventriloquist) - Vault 66
Lei(Puppet) - Vault 66
Eddy(Enchantress) - Vault 21
Jin(Citizen) - Vault 37
Meh, no time left to guess the remaining towns and neutrals.

[Lando]

Brees or Wedge is Lookout imo

[Phoebe]

There is no Cult. It's to easy to narrow the Cult Leader down with all those Vaults. Unless he may recruit from any Vault even during the Vault phase.

On the Topic of 2 Cult: You may add in one Mafia. But I'd give the Cult Leader night immunity. The Masons in this game would be the Vigilante Guild. Every converted Citizen becomes a 1-shot Vigilante. The Big Gun Head Vigilante (Mason Leader) isn't night immune and isn't replaced by any members of the Vigilante Guild.

The Gunsmith appointer can't appoint himself to be Gunsmith.

Fixed.

[Bragg]

Uh oh.. Tarkin made a scumslip.

Why does he think there are 2 brotherhood members in his vault? Why can't they be enclave? There's no way a townie could tell at this point.

He's also trying to get the heat off ALL possible lynch targets at the same time and he's AIDING Rodgers' sheriff claim which is going to be used to lynch HIM in the future if Francine does indeed flip something like corrupt journalist, which their consigliere probably found out.

Not going gud!

[Bragg]

Unlikely, as that would mean Lando would have had to have been attacked 3 times last night, in order to still die from multiple attacks.

Also, wouldn't it then just state that he was disguiser and killed in a duel? The disguising wasn't successful, so the role shouldn't have been cleaned.
That was good though :)

[Forum Mafia GM]

Uh oh.. Tarkin made a scumslip.

Why does he think there are 2 brotherhood members in his vault? Why can't they be enclave? There's no way a townie could tell at this point.


Well in this respect it's not a slip-up per se; the roles list for Vault 21 did specifically state that a BoS member was in the vault and there were not multiple mafia kills each night.

[Bragg]

Hmm, I suppose so. And the ventriloquist is the only mafia that can't kill right?

[Bragg]

Uh oh. Fluttershy became active LOL

We're so screwed now.

[Bragg]

Roger/Rodgers

Leia/Lei

WHY U DO THIS LUNA?

[Forum Mafia GM]

I underestimated the amount of dyslexia and brain hemorrhaging that fm players would suffer when trying to distinguish between 'Roger' and 'Rodgers'.

I wonder when the next 'Rodger' or 'Rogers' appears?

[Yoda]

Can I be Yoder then?

[Lando]

Haha, I wuz right with my guess on Yoda! Hitman it is.

[Yoda]

Nope. Monica is a member of my mafia I'm just the disguiser!

[Lando]

Nope. Monica is a member of my mafia I'm just the disguiser!
I call bs yet again. Fool me, you cannot.

[Forum Mafia GM]

It's a shame Brostin suicided, only to have Jabba claim Student and escape retribution.

Especially since Brostin was one of only two useful Sheriffs in the game.

[Lando]

Wouldn't he have escaped retribution either way based on the confirmation of Mkoll that he really is Student? Will a student take the exact same role or may it be one in the same category? like Paranoid Sheriff, while the Mentor was insane?
It's a shame that so many people don't really show up. I see many radio interviews incoming.

[Lando]

And Brostin definitely was insane.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Student takes the exact same role.

[Yoda]

I will kill you with my lightsaber.

[Yoda]

Day chat is boring...

[Forum Mafia GM]

Yeah, should liven up towards the end of the day when stuff needs to be done/timezones are more favourable.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Francine is at L-2. Scum could hammer now.

Francine doesn't know it but everything she's been doing today has been harmful to her win condition. The best thing she can do right now is say something to secure her lynch.

[Lando]

Hmmm, are you implying Jester/Ghost?
I still believe that the second Journalist is corrupt.
The Student in Vault 66 fits the setup, so I guess Manning is no Amnesiac after all.

[Lando]

I wonder what the point of a Corrupt Journalist is? Is it only to make the Journalist not instantly confirmed town? Because that's pretty lame imo.
Giving him the additional ability to choose to not publish the article he receives (without reading it beforehand), but still his own one and to send an article to someone else (anonymously and only to him) would be cool.

[Bragg]

Yeah, should liven up towards the end of the day when stuff needs to be done/timezones are more favourable.
Wait.. didn't you say timezones made no difference? ;)

[Bragg]

Francine doesn't know it but everything she's been doing today has been harmful to her win condition. The best thing she can do right now is say something to secure her lynch.
If you're implying ghost, then maybe she thinks that the town is more likely to win because most of the orange mafia is dead already.

Also lol @ all the scum who push the Francine lynch with their only argument being to give Rodgers credibility, even though he is pulling the retarded newb WIFOM for the 999999999th time. It should be obvious that he's scum. I pegged him on day 0 already. I still find Leia to be one of the select few decent scum hunters on the town's side. Problem is that if Francine is lynched everyone will be like "TRUST RODGERS HURR DURR."