Night 4

[Forum Mafia GM]

Tarkin was asked to be replaced, his enthusiasm for FM apparently waned and he had other things that came up.

It is my pleasure to welcome the new Tarkin to the Brotherhood of Steel night chat.

[Lando]

So, make this one the official one.

Welcome new Tarkin! Feel free to ask, if you got questions. There is much to catch up. We need a good claim for you as Vault 21 will be coming back for you.

Looks like was wrong... I thought Mkoll is Arms Dealer and Larkin is Gunsmith. Anyway Leia got 1 gun and another one might find its way to her. Tebow is likely a Sheriff that got a gun, too.

Roger is probably Drug Dealer. He likely labels me scum as I didn't claim witched.
Me not claiming witched might come back at me, if a Coroner checks Roger and sees that I was one of his targets.
Maybe I can weasel myself out of it by claiming I got a "Soul stolen" message followed by my investigation result -> drugged. But that would be a pretty retarded move of the Drug Dealer, so they will likely not buy it.
Another way could be claiming that I got the witched message in the later half of the day because Luna forgot to include it in my PM (it really happend). I figured that Roger is DD because it didn't affect my night result, it was a moderately high risk for the Witch to target me and it made no fucking sense to do so for her (removes suspicion from "innocent" Roger). Thus I didn't claim witched to keep the heat on him.
The second version sits better with me. To enforce it, I could leave some hints at me knowing him being DD before he gets lynched.

My thoughts on the Vaults:
Vault 5
Brady NCR PR
Francine NCR PR
Gaunt Mafia
Law Neutral
Yoshimitsu Mafia

Vault 9
Roger Drug Dealer
Fluttershy Sheriff
Han Citizen
Vader Neutral/NCR
Romo NCR/Neutral

Vault 21
Brees NCR PR
Luke Citizen
Manning Neutral
Rawne Armoursmith
Wedge NCR PR

Vault 37
Beru Janitor
Boba Escort
Brostin Sheriff
Jabba Citizen
Jin NCR PR
Nina Mafia
Ross Neutral

Vault 66
Biggs Student
Rodgers Devourer/Ventriloquist
Klaus Ventriloquist/Devourer
Wicket Puppet
Paul Puppet
Pheobe NCR(Mayor?)

Vault 103
Larkin Gunsmith
Mkoll Arms Dealer
Leia Journalist
Tebow Sheriff
Monica Citizen?

[Bragg]

Ah crap I didn't see this before posting..

Sorry if you guys think I jumped the gun there, but I think I saw exactly what Rodgers was going to do. I thought I might as well throw in a big pile of information before he "checks" me and "confirms" himself. Regardless, Rodgers needed someone to go against him. I considered using Lei to do it, but that wouldn't suit his noob style from previous days. So I claimed citizen on Bragg. The risk of a mason recruitment seems minimal because they absolutely wouldn't want a puppet on their team and there aren't any dead masons yet, unless they got cleaned. Whatever happens, at least I had fun writing that post publically. I wasn't really enjoying myself since the end of night 2.

The real townie didn't take the opportunity to fully inform the town of what happened in our vault, so he must be trying to lay low.

I think you did pretty decently Lando, although some people do think that tally keepers are usually mafia.

I admit that the Tarkin-Wedge switch was a poor alternative that I came up with at the last second as it makes it easier to find who the bus driver/kidnapper is. In hindsight, I think we should've switched Owen and Wedge and killed Luke, because he's far too competent and not full of himself like Owen (might have been an act I guess). From here on I'll let you make all the calls about night actions, I'll just chime in to give my opinion.

The whole Brostin/Jabba thing confused me quite a lot. This day completely lacked direction... I hope it'll hurt the decision making for the town.

I noticed that Vader was pretending that Rodgers posted "new information" when he claimed sheriff again in the day chat, while Phoebe, Lei and Paul had all mentioned it already. Either he didn't read everything or he may have been trying to make Rodgers seem like a townie to trust. This strengthens my suspicion of Vader being red mafia.

Can you explain the Mkoll/Larkin thing? I saw that Leia accused him of being the 3rd orange mafia in that vault. She's probably a corrupt journalist who tried to get focus away from possible mafia players.

I missed the information about a possible arms dealer because I took ages to get that post done. I didn't prepare it ahead of time.

[Bragg]

Maybe I can weasel myself out of it by claiming I got a "Soul stolen" message followed by my investigation result -> drugged. But that would be a pretty retarded move of the Drug Dealer, so they will likely not buy it.

It could work. Fluttershy already claimed sheriff, so they might have thought you weren't an investigative role.

[Lando]

I think you did pretty decently Lando, although some people do think that tally keepers are usually mafia.
When they mentioned it, I thought "the heck! I'll do it!"


Can you explain the Mkoll/Larkin thing? I saw that Leia accused him of being the 3rd orange mafia in that vault. She's probably a corrupt journalist who tried to get focus away from possible mafia players.
Leia is most definitely NOT the corrupt journalist. Every Vault got exactly one Neutral except Vault 66 with the Devourer and the Student. The roleblock was fake, because somebody would have stopped Leia in her tracks in the Vault. But nobody did. So the gun was real and the Gunsmith chose not to reveal. Larkin hinted at Tebow having information to clear him and that he didn't use his ability night 1. That pretty much sounds like Gunsmith. But because he gave the gun to Tebow, someone else must have given it to Leia. Mkoll was the only one besides Larkin that didn't claim his role. Thus he is the missing Gunsmith. Monica is probably Citizen because Vault 103 is "inclined" to believe her.

I plan to claim Sheriff tomorrow depending on Fluttershy dying.
If Fluttershy dies and flips Sheriff I'd like to follow through with the claim.
If he doesn't die or doesn't flip Sheriff, I will reconsider.
I suspect a protective role (Doctor or similar) in Vault 9. They might stick to Fluttershy. Therefor I'd like to use the bus driving to switch Fluttershy with a scummy target like Wicket.
The bus driving will hopefully somewhat disable Lookouts and Detectives (gotta check in FAQ). As Fluttershy will die, someone else can claim the bus.

I should be sent to kill tonight. The following night (after my claim), I'd like to go on alert.

[Lando]

It could work. Fluttershy already claimed sheriff, so they might have thought you weren't an investigative role.
But why would he make me think I am "Soul stolen"? It risks being exposed - revealing Drug Dealer, and I will most definitely not think that there is a Witch in Vault 9. So it makes no sense for the Drug Dealer to do so. I prefer to go with the second variant by far.

[Bragg]

I agree that Gaunt and Yoshimitsu's posts screamed mafia.

Roger as drug dealer is possible, but I'm still more inclined to believe Vader is the red mafia from that vault.

If there's an arms dealer AND a gunsmith in that vault, there has to be some kind of protective role like a doctor to manage the KPN. None of the other vaults had more than one nightkill.

[Lando]

Well, there was a Saboteur XD

[Bragg]

Another way could be claiming that I got the witched message in the later half of the day because Luna forgot to include it in my PM (it really happend). I figured that Roger is DD because it didn't affect my night result, it was a moderately high risk for the Witch to target me and it made no fucking sense to do so for her (removes suspicion from "innocent" Roger). Thus I didn't claim witched to keep the heat on him.

This actually doesn't work, because as a sheriff you still wouldn't know who you checked regardless of the result you got. You can't say that a witching didn't affect your night result. So you know that SOMEONE wasn't the same alignment as Roger was, and if it's really a witch you couldn't know if they sent you towards a scummy player or someone who is probably innocent. The rest of your argument may still apply though. It might be a too high risk gambit for a witch.

[Bragg]

Well, there was a Saboteur XD
You know that doesn't really count :p

[Bragg]

Ah wait nvm.. you mean that Luna's late message didn't affect your night results, not that the witching didn't. Might work.

[Bragg]

As for Tarkin's claim preparation.. we could go ezmode and have him rob Yoda and prepare a coroner/mortician claim.

Or we could postpone it and have him rob Rachel/Yoda and claim detective after he gets some results, but then we have to explain the missing night 2 and night 4 results. Saying AFK for night 2 is too transparent. This might be a bit problematic because Jabba is claiming detective as well, and Yoda claimed it already. They can't all 4 be detectives.

By the way.. did anyone ever post Eddy's last will? I skimmed some of the first few pages because of the Jabba/Brostin spam.

[Bragg]

Oh, look. Larkin died:
Larkin (Arms Dealer): Exiled into the valley to be killed by the base defence systems. [Day 4]

Why were we calling him gunsmith again? :p

[Bragg]

I didn't look at the deaths yet. So Jabba is proven fake detective.. that could be good for us.

[Bragg]

Man, my mind is a bit hazy. Maybe I should come back tomorrow when I think more clearly heh

[Lando]

My Internet access just crashed on me -.-

Ah wait nvm.. you mean that Luna's late message didn't affect your night results, not that the witching didn't. Might work.
That's exactly what I meant.

As for Tarkin's claim preparation.. we could go ezmode and have him rob Yoda and prepare a coroner/mortician claim.
Risky, as those two roles are likely to inspect Yoda and Ackbar. Any differing results will increase the heat.
Or we could postpone it and have him rob Rachel/Yoda and claim detective after he gets some results, but then we have to explain the missing night 2 and night 4 results. Saying AFK for night 2 is too transparent. This might be a bit problematic because Jabba is claiming detective as well, and Yoda claimed it already. They can't all 4 be detectives.
Hopefully Jabba dies tonight to a Gunsmith gun. I'm pretty sure he does not flip detective.
By the way.. did anyone ever post Eddy's last will? I skimmed some of the first few pages because of the Jabba/Brostin spam.
Afaik it was only mentioned.

Oh, look. Larkin died:
Larkin (Arms Dealer): Exiled into the valley to be killed by the base defence systems. [Day 4]

Why were we calling him gunsmith again? :p
When I was pushing for the lynch I was pretty sure that he is Gunsmith (and Mkoll Arms Dealer).

[Lando]

When will you be back?
I'll try to coordinate.

[Lando]

Hell, yeah! We art Lookout proof! Kinda. Vick will be seen though... meh, Lookout so stronk. But the real killer is hidden for sure.
I suggest switching Fluttershy with Francine or another pseudo-scummy target. It should be preferably a low-profil scum target so that mafia has a decent chance to hit it without making Vick look like the kill was redirected as part of a plan. Law! I think Law is a good idea.

[Bragg]

Robbing Rachel wouldn't be a bad idea to prepare a detective roleclaim. She will never get checked by a mortician/coroner.

Bus driving Fluttershy and Law seems strange for a bus driver who barely said anything in day chat. I'd expect him to switch at least one person from his own vault. Also not sure if switching a completely unconfirmed and afk sheriff will come across as convincingly pro town.

[Bragg]

I'll be back in about 10-12 hours or something.

[Lando]

I can claim to have been switched.

[Lando]

So you suggest switching Luke/Rawne for one target.

[Lando]

I'll be gone for a couple of hours 12 hours from now.

[Bragg]

Yeah.. protecting one of those two would make the most sense from a town perspective. Switching Luke wouldn't change much about his hunt for the BD because it's pretty clear that it isn't him. It also makes Vick seem more daring and less worried about being found by the town.

At least the suspicion of Vick/Brees/Manning will keep them from getting shot by the reds or neutrals.

Going to log off for real now. Catch you later.

And that's fine. We have longer nights now (and I'm glad for it. I don't want to race through 30 page days with short discussion times)

[Tarkin]

Alrighty, I'm here. I'ma just let you guys know, this is my first full FM, and I'm pretty new to forum mafia in general, so don't expect any pro insights or plays from me. I've read up on everything except the full log posts of the other vaults' day chats, so I know what's going on, but I'm sure you guys will have better ideas on how to proceed than I will. It looks like I'm pretty much boned if they decide to pressure me about being lured by the enchantress on the night he died tomorrow. You guys have any game plans on what to do if I get pressured tomorrow?

[Lando]

Prerequisites to start the claim:
1. Fluttershy dies and flips Sheriff

Chance of a Lookout on Fluttershy is pretty slim. But if there is, Vick will have to reason why he switched Fluttershy with Luke. Possible is fear that the big scum targets get shot and the shot getting redirected onto Luke. I, on the other hand, will not be seen. And then I can still say I wanted to check someone who is most likely Town. This forces me to claim a "not suspicious" result. But as I said, very slim possibility.
If there is a Lookout on Luke, I can simply say that I wanted to check someone who is most likely town. Vick will then have to say who he switched Luke with. We got two possibilities here.
-Vick claims to have switched Luke with someone who is most likely Mafia, i.e. Wicket, Paul, and I claim to have gotten a "suspicious" result. This scenario forces me to ask for the second switch target to claim and, when nobody speaks up, for the Bus Driver to claim, if Luke claims driven.
-Vick claims to have driven one of us, my result should be "not suspicious".
-Claiming to have driven a Town target will incriminate Vick, when they die, because they will deny to have been driven. A scum will ofc lie about being driven.

Rational for my night actions:
-Roger got the gun. I don't trust Fluttershy to be Sheriff. So I check him: suspicious.
-Fluttershy claimed Sheriff. But well, I am. So I better check him, too. Might be a useless one though and Luna trolls me: not suspicious.
-My Vault is full of afkers. Can't get a good read on them, but still want to know whether I'm sane or insane (though my money is on sane). So I pick a target that is most likely town - Luke: *result depends on the situation, but suspicious would be best imo*

I will wait some hours (12-18h) before revealing as Sheriff. As Fluttershy is dead, I will call out Roger and, if Luke didn't claim driven by then, Luke as scum. If he did previously I will not reveal my result on Luke yet "in hope" that somebody claims the second drive. I will ask for the other one to claim, but nobody will do so. If Vick gets revealed that day, he can claim his switch targets and he better calls out a scummy target as switch partner with Luke. I will then proceed to reveal my result on Luke. This should shift any heat away from Vick onto Wicket/Paul.

Tarkin robbing the Detective can work out, but I think he may very well become Town's little bitch.
Night 1 result: Track Anybody; Your target visited nobody. (was lured onto Eddy - Detective doesn't detect Enchantress)
Night 2 result: ??? track Manning; Your target visited nobody. ???
Night 4 result: ???

Those missed opportunities are so sad. Wedge lynch; No-Town-Vault66; :(

[Lando]

To-Do:
Find solid rationals for:
-Vick switches
-Tarkin behaviour, claim and actions
-Lando on what happened in Vault 66 (I think I can manage that myself)

That's all what comes to my mind right now.

[Bragg]

Why do we need to switch fluttershy at all? How likely do you think it is that an AFK sheriff with 2 NS results to his claim will be protected or watched by a lookout? It's much more likely that they'll go for Rodgers instead, despite his fake derpy newb act which seems to be getting really popular... Or for Mkoll, who was being an effective town leader and basically proven himself to be gunsmith.

I dunno but it just seems better if we create a situation where Vick doesn't have to claim. And we could use Vick to redirect potential red mafia kills if we have some idea who they might be trying to shoot.

[Bragg]

Alright, I was just rereading and Wedge mentioned Tarkin being lured. So sadly they didn't forget about it (not that I'd expect them to). Luckily, Wedge isn't a driving force for the town.

[Bragg]

Oh and.. that tally of yours was off.

You said:
38 players; 20 votes to lynch; 23 votes to be puppet-proof

But there was already a confirmed puppet alive somewhere, which makes it 37 players and 19 votes to lynch. But in case the other puppet votes, you would need 20 votes to be puppet-proof.

Assuming there are 2 ventriloquists and thus 3 puppets left alive, it would be 35 players, 18 votes to lynch and 21 votes to be puppet-proof.

[Bragg]

I agree that Leia is a town journalist, but there were holes in her logic for lynching Larkin based on a drug dealer suspicion, because if you look at day 2 in vault 103, nobody claimed any effects that are left unexplained by the random drug message. Mkoll gave her a gun and the second message she got was a fake roleblock. There wasn't a third that she makes mention of..


Tebow isn't gonna magically come back and say "WAIT STOP YOU CANNOT LYNCH THIS GUY!!!" and actually mean any of it. Odds are the scum left from vault 103 are Larking (oj mafia) and Tebow (red mafia/neutral).


Wait Mkoll, the only reason why Tebow is 100% clear in my book is because of this little logic exercise applied to our situation. Do you understand what I mean? If you think Tebow might be scum, this starts to erode my case against Larkin, and actually is a good case for Larkin's innocence and YOUR guilt as an arms dealer.

It's possible that Tebow checked Monica and Larkin and got different results on them and they decided to push for a lynch on Larkin, possibly the last scum from that vault, on day 4. Being under suspicion already, it makes sense for him to try and reveal info about the town which they agreed to keep secret. Larkin gave his gun to Tebow so that Tebow would think Monica was the guilty one.

Mkoll gave his gun to Leia because she was proven journalist (article)

[Bragg]

Also makes sense that they let Leia do the pushing, trying to look like a sheriff, so that Tebow would be left alone.

[Bragg]

A good bus driver would switch someone from vault 103 with vault 66.. Not that I can immediately think of a way that could be used to benefit us, just sayin :p

[Bragg]

Need to go. Will be back in a couple of hours.

[Lando]

To address the things said:

Why do we need to switch fluttershy at all? How likely do you think it is that an AFK sheriff with 2 NS results to his claim will be protected or watched by a lookout? It's much more likely that they'll go for Rodgers instead, despite his fake derpy newb act which seems to be getting really popular... Or for Mkoll, who was being an effective town leader and basically proven himself to be gunsmith.

I dunno but it just seems better if we create a situation where Vick doesn't have to claim. And we could use Vick to redirect potential red mafia kills if we have some idea who they might be trying to shoot.
Vick most likely won't need to claim. I think that Luke will claim his switch quite early. In this case I won't reveal that I checked him. But if he needs to claim, killing one of the switches can actually help his case as he incriminates Mafia.
I didn't see many protective roles so far (only Rawne). I expect one to be in Vault 9. Vader or Romo are most likely the one, the other being neutral. All the town facade I build up can easily crumble, if Fluttershy gets his suspicious result and proceeds to die. And every Vault had an investigative role (Brostin, Tebow, Rachel, Fluttershy, Ackbar?, Yoda?). I don't think mine is any different, though the chances on a Naive one are pretty good I'd say, considering the size of Vault 9.
I think that many players will try to sort out the mess in their own Vault. Thus the protective roles sticking to their old targets. Roger is a scum target. He won't receive protection.
Except me, I think that we all are in the "little to fairly scummy" section of the players. And Roger knows better than to shoot me. So I think we are fairly safe for now and can let the red Mafia reign free. No need to redirect their kills. I feel they are the far easier lynch targets right now (Roger, Beru, Nina, Yoshimitsu).



Oh and.. that tally of yours was off.
As of now, nobody except the Mafia is aware that the puppets don't count to the total number of players for the lynch. I didn't want to change that. I knew that 20 votes would be enough (Lei was voting someone else).


Also makes sense that they let Leia do the pushing, trying to look like a sheriff, so that Tebow would be left alone.
Leia was pushing the whole game. She won't change that.

[Bragg]

Well, it was pretty clear that she wanted to take the risk of getting shot, as she ranted at Larkin about letting the red mafia know there are better targets to kill in vault 103 than her.

I fear that Luke will insist that the bus driver claims, to reveal the other person that was bus driven. Just in case, we will need to frame another player of which we're sure they're scum, because they might lie about the bus drive. Maybe Wicket...

[Bragg]

I think you need to stay away from the bus driving targets in your claims. You don't want to associate yourself with Vick.

Considering we haven't found an investigative role in vault 103 yet, I'm worried that there might be a lookout there. And Luke is one of the best targets to watch. The chance of a coroner or mortician is also high, as the vault's lynches would result in cleaning.

If you do want to take the risk of being found by a lookout on Luke, you can just lie about who you checked on night 4.

Also, it's impossible for fluttershy to get a suspicious result on anyone. He'll be dead before his 3rd check, remember? :p

[Bragg]

Hmm. If you look at your situation with Roger and Fluttershy from a completely clueless town player's point of view, Roger's death is going to look pretty bad for you if he flips scum and fluttershy flips sheriff.

Fluttershy sees you both as innocent, you get Roger lynched and he flips witch/mafia.

There's a 50% chance that you're also scum then (fluttershy is insane or naive) and because a sheriff already existed in your vault, other sheriffs will be suspicious and are likely to check you and still find you in the next 2 days.

Are you sure you want to go through with pushing for Roger's lynch? If it turns out you're lynching a witch and get yourself lynched after that, your ploy will bite us in the arse pretty badly.

[Bragg]

In fact, it's in your best interest if Roger flips town and dies completely without interference from you.

[Lando]

Tebow is in Vault 103. There is a confirmed Sheriff in Vault 103.
Luke is Vault 21. It's possible that there is one in there. The Lookout on Luke isn't a problem. He will see that I and Vick visited Luke. Vick claims to have switched Wicket and Luke. No association to the kill. And Wicket gets framed. It's perfect. Wedge/Brees could be the Coroner/Mortician. Mortician is the only problem. Coroner isn't.
If Fluttershy survives somehow, he might get his third result. Though Luke might get protection... But it didn't look like he got Armor from Rawne, yet.

It's very unlikely for Roger to flip town, very unlikely.

I'll be on alert after I lynch Roger. Cuz I don't wanna get killed by scum and shit.

[Lando]

I don't think that Vick should obviously try to hide away from town. Confirming himself to a Lookout should actually help his bus driver claim.

I can sneak in new results when nobody dies to me, when I'm on alert. This should keep making me look useful.

[Lando]

And if Roger flips scum without me pushing for him, it will look even more suspicious. I mean if I am scum and heard the results on me and Roger.. why would I try to incriminate myself? The Vet's AR is my solution for this. I was the only one pushing to reveal it, so that's another plus for me.

[Bragg]

lol ok.. that alert does indeed come in handy. I agree that Roger is most likely scum as well. A coroner could be a problem if Roger is witch/drug dealer and he gets checked. If the coroner checks Roger tomorrow and finds out you were witched, you can no longer get back on your claim that you checked Fluttershy night 2 for comparison and you will get caught and lynched without question.

And if you do go on alert, we need someone else to perform the kill. That means Tarkin can't prepare for a backup claim and it makes robbing a detective quite useless. He should then rob Larkin to make additional weapons for us that we can use alongside our other actions...

[Lando]

If a Coroner checks Roger he will see that I was drugged, not witched (checking this via FAQ). But I already gave you my rational on that. On my side everything is watertight right now. Even if I was witched, I thought that I check Fluttershy because I thought I was drugged. Why should I get lynched?
Well, maybe we should go for the Arms Dealer for the additional kpn. I personally like this idea. Maybe go for an "easy" claim (Spy?). If there is serious evidence against him it might not work, but as long as the town is busy with other targets, we should be fine. Giving the guns to Lei should be fine.

[Bragg]

Considering we haven't found an investigative role in vault 103 yet, I'm worried that there might be a lookout there. And Luke is one of the best targets to watch. The chance of a coroner or mortician is also high, as the vault's lynches would result in cleaning.
And yeah, I meant to say vault 21 there. Oopsiedaisy.

[Lando]

Maybe we can make Vick skip a night action in favor of a kill, too, by claiming blocked (after he got revealed?). Tarkin follow-up: He got visited by Mafia. XD
N4: Lando kill; Vick drive; Tarkin rob Larkin;
N5: Lando alert; Vick kill; Tarkin give gun to Lei;
N6: Lando kill; Vick drive; Tarkin give gun to Lando; Lei shoot
N7: Lando alert and shoot; Vick drive; Tarkin rob

Something like that

[Bragg]

On my side everything is watertight right now. Even if I was witched, I thought that I check Fluttershy because I thought I was drugged. Why should I get lynched?

I've read your explanation before, but let's do a little bit of roleplaying. I'll try to act and think like a townie.


Why did you think you got drugged?

And even if you were drugged, why didn't you say that then?

[Bragg]

The roleplaying thing is meant to help us find flaws if there are any... It might be helpful to avoid you getting stuck not knowing what to say, or saying something that comes across as a weak excuse.


Maybe we can make Vick skip a night action in favor of a kill, too, by claiming blocked (after he got revealed?). Tarkin follow-up: He got visited by Mafia. XD
N4: Lando kill; Vick drive; Tarkin rob Larkin;
N5: Lando alert; Vick kill; Tarkin give gun to Lei;
N6: Lando kill; Vick drive; Tarkin give gun to Lando; Lei shoot
N7: Lando alert and shoot; Vick drive; Tarkin rob

That'd work if there were any more roleblock claims outside of 103, but I don't think there were?

[Lando]

If Wicket dies to a gunshot, the driving targets that we claim should be obviously switched. Paul is a good follow up imo.

I've read your explanation before, but let's do a little bit of roleplaying. I'll try to act and think like a townie.


Why did you think you got drugged?

And even if you were drugged, why didn't you say that then?
Three reasons:
1) It was a pretty high risk for the Witch to witch me, as I was a likely target for the Assault Rifle (more likely than Roger imo). So sticking to Roger would have been the better choice. Also the Witch needs to survive in order to win. Risking to get killed by running into an AR is unlike a Witch.
2) I received the PM that I got witched in the later half of the day. You wouldn't miss a witching in the night actions so easily as it affects the target. The drugging however has no effect on the night action. The result of my night action wasn't changed by the PM I received later. Following the PM I received:

Okay first feedback error of the game!

You were witched last night.

If you publicly say you just got it and blame me I can't confirm anything but I will say 'I do make mistakes and this is possible.'

Damn I'm so sorry.
3) It made no fucking sense to witch another target than Roger. Everybody else would just confirm that there is a Witch in the Vault and Roger is indeed just a "victim". This would take heat of Roger and may result in him not getting lynched.

A rational course of action would have been to
a)never witch in the Vault at all.
b)stick to Roger and use the second shot as well.
c)not witching on the second night.

Non of those happened, so I figured that Roger is the Drug Dealer, that wanted to clear himself by faking a witch message on the one that pressured him the most. Furthermore Fluttershy revealed the two "not suspicious" results on Roger and me, enforcing my guess that two Sheriffs were included in Vault 9 - one of them Naive/Paranoid, the other one (In-)Sane. I knew I was (In-)Sane by then as I got differing result on night 1 and 2.
I decided not to reveal the "witched" feedback in order to keep the heat on Roger, so that he won't try anything funny as everybody would be watching him. Additionally it gave me some sort of protection, because I didn't claim it. As you see it worked out wonderfully and the Drug Dealer is dead now.

[Lando]

I think I should reveal this by myself after Roger gets lynched. Or strongly hinting at it. Like saying "Too many drugs are bad for your health! Don't do drugs." after Roger got hammered.

[Lando]

Boba claims role-blocker, prolly escort. Other than that I didn't hear of any other roleblockers either. But it might just be a red Consort that was sent to kill in his Vault.

[Lando]

Woho, Luna so fast <3.
Coroner only sees the target. Not any kind of specific action.

[Bragg]

If you rationalise it like that, wouldn't you think that someone who has a night chat would discuss these sorts of plans there and come to the same conclusion as you? By shooting someone, Roger already incriminated himself and he was going to get checked by a sheriff, Fluttershy, who already claimed it in the same vault. He might as well shoot again instead of drugging you. It'd probably be more convincing than what he did now.

(good call on hinting at it before he dies, because it might still have some effect if he flips witch)

[Bragg]

Addendum

What? Are you saying that you got the assault rifle?

[Lando]

If you rationalise it like that, wouldn't you think that someone who has a night chat would discuss these sorts of plans there and come to the same conclusion as you? By shooting someone, Roger already incriminated himself and he was going to get checked by a sheriff, Fluttershy, who already claimed it in the same vault. He might as well shoot again instead of drugging you. It'd probably be more convincing than what he did now.
You have to take into account that I had information that regular townsfolk doesn't possess. I'm not sure if I would have seen through it, if I hadn't had my night results. I already rationalized that it made no sense for the Witch to reveal in the Vault on day 2. Roger brushed it off and I was honestly surprised when nobody died on night 2. I expected Fluttershy to die as he already checked Roger night 1. The puzzle came together when I received the additional PM. Perhaps they thought they could kill Fluttershy by night 4, as the Sheriff needs a few results to gain definite proof of a players guilty. He may also have expected a protective role on him while in the Vault.
But yeah, I agree with you. Using the second bullet would have been smarter, but what he did was in no way stupid. Shooting on night 1, claiming witched. Hoping to get the Assault Rifle to ward off said Witch. Drugging another player to make himself look innocent. On the surface it's a sound plan. Sadly for him he drugged the wrong one.

[Lando]

(Is Roger lynched by now?)

[Lando]

never mind ofc he is.

[Lando]

Indeed, I received the Assault Rifle. I chose not to use it the night I received it, as I suspected Roger to lie about the witching and expected him to kill Fluttershy as he already checked him. Instead of using the alert, I went to check Fluttershy, who in case of his death would have told me a lot about my actual role (I still wasn't sure if Fluttershy was actually Sheriff at that point). From day 1 I wanted the Assault Rifle to be revealed to everybody. It's a great tool of protection and won't harm town, if revealed. I kept pushing to reveal it after I received it, but my Vault preferred to use it to WIFOM protection on all of us. Admittedly it was needed after Roger revealed that he got the gun.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I shall roleplay the part of the average townie.

*ahem*

SCUM F**GOT NOOB

-Engage lurk mode for the rest of the day-

[Bragg]

derp :p

Wait, what? I thought the vote for the vigilante gun was public, not hidden.

[Lando]

Err, yes. What about it? As long as the Witch doesn't know who it is (assuming the Witch comes from another Vault), she can't abuse the Gunshot. Mafia may know the wielder, but they can't communicate that knowledge to the Witch. So as long as we only tell that there is a Gunshot and a Gunsmith available, we can direct them via day chat and don't have to worry about a Witch from other Vaults. Roger destroyed that by claiming the Vigilante Gun to everybody. He already had the AR WIFOM protection. There was no reason for him to reveal the shot unless he wanted the Witch to know he got it, so he has an excuse to use it freely and claim witched again.

[Bragg]

(as for the roleblocks thing.. since Boba has already claimed and there were no unexplained roleblock reports, Boba is likely to say exactly who he roleblocked. We would depend on him roleblocking scum and that scum keeping quiet about it. Sounds too risky.)

[Lando]

Well there still is that killing-consort thingy.

wants to role play average townie, too

-vote Lando

and disappears

[Lando]

And there is the possibility for a Ninja. Or a Whore.

[Bragg]

Sorry for lateness

Ah I understand what you mean now. He revealed having it to us, outside your vault. But he already claimed to be witched inside your vault, so it really makes no difference if he claims witched again. If he were town, it would've been stupid. If he were mafia, it would be just as stupid because he would allow an actual witch to direct his kill instead of having his own mafia use it and claim that the same witch from your vault directed his shot again. It doesn't sound like something the mafia would do. A witch on the other hand would have wanted the rest of the town to know that there was a witch in your vault (and that it wasn't Roger himself) as they had already announced it inside the vault.

Seeing him claim to have been witched with a vigilante gun outside of your vault, I might have had second thoughts about his role. He could have been a witch trying to make sure that someone else doesn't reveal what happened inside your vault before he does. Also, looking at the mechanics of your vault, the existence of a witch would definitely be plausible to mess with your "lynch". Moreso than in other vaults.

[Lando]

Looks pretty tight in my opinion. And it was fun doing it. :)

Vick and Tarkin will have a much harder time.

"easy claims" for Tarkin:
Spy
Citizen (if Luke is the Cit he will most likely cc)
Whore (easily broken after the claim - Leia approaches him for an interview)
Sheriff (lol)
Detective (is kinda hard - not so easy)
Doctor (Rawne is Armoursmith, so meh)
Coroner (harder the longer the game goes)
Mortician (same as Coroner, actually easier to mess up with)
Watchman
Bodyguard (there is still Rawne in there)
Saboteur
Dreamer

[Bragg]

(If there was a whore, Vick needs to fake at least one target that could be one and that can't claim something else and prove it. Also, if both targets die and neither is a whore, that option is eliminated.

If Vick just says he's roleblocked and doesn't mention the players he targeted, it will increase his scumminess because he's not giving the town info that might help them clear him. It's also likely that someone will ask about it.

A ninja is possible, but why would they block a bus driver? They can't win with the mafia.

A ravager would have to kill Boba first, so Boba would have to flip dead with a neutral killer message on him. Very unlikely to happen tonight, if at all.)

[Lando]

Ah I understand what you mean now. He revealed having it to us, outside your vault. But he already claimed to be witched inside your vault, so it really makes no difference if he claims witched again. If he were town, it would've been stupid. If he were mafia, it would be just as stupid because he would allow an actual witch to direct his kill instead of having his own mafia use it and claim that the same witch from your vault directed his shot again. It doesn't sound like something the mafia would do. A witch on the other hand would have wanted the rest of the town to know that there was a witch in your vault (and that it wasn't Roger himself) as they had already announced it inside the vault.

Seeing him claim to have been witched with a vigilante gun outside of your vault, I might have had second thoughts about his role. He could have been a witch trying to make sure that someone else doesn't reveal what happened inside your vault before he does. Also, looking at the mechanics of your vault, the existence of a witch would definitely be plausible to mess with your "lynch". Moreso than in other vaults.
Obviously it made a difference to the Witch, because she chose to not witch Roger night 2. Going for Roger again despite the chance dying to the AR doesn't seem to be worth the risk for the supposed Witch of our Vault. Claiming the gun was imo more of a leeway for him to use the gun freely. I mean there might be a second Witch out there that doesn't get scared away by some AR WIFOM. I think it was mainly to force us to consider the possibility that it actually happened. Sure there is the trade off that it actually happens. But the Witch is still scum and has the same goal as the Mafia. It shouldn't go terribly wrong if it happens.
Are you trying to rationalize that Roger could have been the Witch? It would have been not really smart if he actually were. Mentioning the existence of a Witch in the Vault will inevitably lead to a scenario where he will be considered Witch, too.
1) He pulled attention to him by going for the Vigilante gun (Sheriff claimed before the gun was distributed)
2) He put a lot of attention to himself by shooting the gun night 1
3) People consider there being a Witch in the Vault
All of this will inevitably lead to him being revealed and, shortly after, dying. And dying means loosing. While dying doesn't mean loosing for a DD.

[Lando]

I wish we still had Stan, we could have done so many neat tricks.

[Bragg]

Alright.. I think you can get away with this. There will inevitably be doubters, but if they can't cause you to slip up in some way they will probably pursue other targets.

And yeah, a fabricator could've done some really sweet things in this setup. I hope King didn't sell him out using out of game chat or something. It was really weird that Greedo "just knew" who Stan visited.


Back to the BD/nightkill thing.

We could opt to forsake one kill for a night, or have Tarkin starting to hand out guns a night later. I think we should keep Vick busdriving. He's the most likely one to survive the longest if he plays convincingly during the day and chooses the right actions.

On the other hand, as long as town doesn't entirely trust Vick, he doesn't have anything to fear from the red mafia/devourer. We most certainly don't want him to get killed by other scum. Speaking of which, where is Vick?

[Lando]

Well, town tries pretty hard to narrow him down....
He will be revealed - sooner or later. And if we pull off the Wicket-Fluttershy thing, the reds will know that he is kidnapper.
For tonight I think that Tarkin should go for Larkin. Two extra kpn are too nice to forsake.

[Lando]

Reeeeeally tired right now. I'll be gone soon.

[Bragg]

Alright. I guess we will have a little bit more time to talk before the next day starts.

We should also make a night actions thread when anything is final. I'd like to hear Vick's opinion on all we have discussed here before doing that though.

[Lando]

Okay, let's meet up tomorrow again.
We need to finalize the night actions and discuss a few other things (rational for the switches of all nights, a claim for Tarkin).

[Bragg]

33. Are we informed if one of our members is jailed?
Yes.
Glad that's ruled out.

See you tomorrow then.

[Tarkin]

Just thought I'd add that whatever we end up deciding would be the best claim for me, we wouldn't have to try too hard to come up with rationale for my previous actions. Everyone knows that Tarkin was replaced in the middle of Day 4, so they can't expect me to know why the old Tarkin did anything that he did previous to then.

[Lando]

I was just reading through day 3 of Vault 66 again.
I believe that actually this was the lynch tally:
Ben (3): Rodgers, Pheobe, Biggs
5 eligible voters - 3 to hammer

[Bragg]

7 hours to go.. no word from Vick yet. What's up?

Oh and if we're going through with all this, I don't think Vick should claim the switch on Wicket until the day after Roger is lynched. It makes the most sense that way, because depending on what Roger flips, the bus driver might not want to expose himself to call out Wicket (though he could subtly hint at it in day chat), because Lando isn't reliable yet. Vick shouldn't be entirely convinced of Lando's claim until he's proven to lynch scum.

Also, I want to take a second look at this quote:

i checked Lando and Roger. Lando because I ran out of time lol
I still think it might mean he checked Lando first. He's excusing himself for not checking Rodger right away.

Depending on what Fluttershy's last will says Lando, you might want to say you checked Fluttershy first (because he claimed sheriff) and Roger second, because a Mortician will see that Roger was sheriff checked on night 2. You can say that you argued so hard against Roger getting the AR gun because you really wanted to check him after that unexpected night kill.


I was just reading through day 3 of Vault 66 again.
I believe that actually this was the lynch tally:
Ben (3): Rodgers, Pheobe, Biggs
5 eligible voters - 3 to hammer
I considered that as well (and I mentioned it in my conspiracy theory post yesterday), but I'm not entirely certain that Phoebe isn't one of the puppets/the ventriloquist. It's between him and Paul for me. Also, for the conspiracy theory it worked best to put Phoebe and Lei together on the orange mafia. Either way they wanted 5 votes to cover up their own ventriloquist.

[Lando]

7 hours to go.. no word from Vick yet. What's up?

Oh and if we're going through with all this, I don't think Vick should claim the switch on Wicket until the day after Roger is lynched. It makes the most sense that way, because depending on what Roger flips, the bus driver might not want to expose himself to call out Wicket (though he could subtly hint at it in day chat), because Lando isn't reliable yet. Vick shouldn't be entirely convinced of Lando's claim until he's proven to lynch scum.
If he reveals or not is his choice. I will try to hold back my third result as much as possible. And even if I reveal it, Vick can just keep lying low and reveal the second switch target on day 6.

Also, I want to take a second look at this quote:

I still think it might mean he checked Lando first. He's excusing himself for not checking Rodger right away.
Nah, I think it was his rational for night 2. He ran out of time for a good target and went for me. Everybody told him to check Roger on day 1. Pretty sure he went through with it. But it doesn't matter anyway.

Depending on what Fluttershy's last will says Lando, you might want to say you checked Fluttershy first (because he claimed sheriff) and Roger second, because a Mortician will see that Roger was sheriff checked on night 2. You can say that you argued so hard against Roger getting the AR gun because you really wanted to check him after that unexpected night kill.
Mortician and Coroner don't see the nights the actions happened. Only the targets/effects.

I considered that as well (and I mentioned it in my conspiracy theory post yesterday), but I'm not entirely certain that Phoebe isn't one of the puppets/the ventriloquist. It's between him and Paul for me. Also, for the conspiracy theory it worked best to put Phoebe and Lei together on the orange mafia. Either way they wanted 5 votes to cover up their own ventriloquist.
The way you put them on the roles list was perfect. Still pretty sure that Phoebe is the remaining town.
this should be covered. And I noticed that I will have to reveal that the voting works differently with puppets. If your roles list is correct, that is.

[Bragg]

About Tarkin's claim..

Saboteur won't be believed.
Bodyguard is NOT POSSIBLE because he would have killed Eddy's killer.
Same story for doctor, unless he was a medical student. He can't claim med student unless we start faking roleblocks, and the second roleblock won't coincide with your idea to send Vick for the kill and claim roleblocked, because it would take place tonight (the 1st and 3rd action).
Whore is too easy to counter
Mortician/Coroner is possible, as long as we find and kill a real one ASAP and let Tarkin claim the other role
Detective is hard to claim unless he robs a detective and gives accurate guesses on days he didn't get to use the detective ability
Spy/Watchman/Dreamer are indeed possible, but because they are such easy claims they will be doubted. I also believe that Francine already claimed Dreamer, right?
Citizen is possible.. but it's a very lazy claim
Sheriff actually isn't the worst claim imaginable, as long as Tarkin counterclaims Lando. One of you dies (probably Tarkin because he's already a suspect), Lando wins some credibility.

Out of these options, I like mortician/coroner best. But we'll have to kill someone from vault 21 in an attempt to eliminate a coroner/mortician who can prove him wrong. At the same time, if we manage to kill a mortician that will protect Vick and Lando's false claims on Flutteryshy/Wicket.

[Bragg]

Mortician and Coroner don't see the nights the actions happened. Only the targets/effects.
That's not how the mortician worked the last time it was in one of Luna's games. It actually showed the exact night a mortician target was affected by a certain ability as well. Same for my FM VI (though it was only on the roles list, not actually included)

We should ask it in the FAQ. I'll do so now.

[Bragg]

And by the way, naturally the coroner DOES see the exact night his own action happened.

You get feedback like this:
Night 1: target X
Night 2: target Y
Night 3: target Z

For mortician it was
Night 1: event X, event Y
Night 2: event Z
Night 3: kill'd

[Lando]

Hmm... I like the Spy best, because we can use all our night actions to screw town. I'm gonna check in the FAQ, but I think the luring will have him forced to use his ability. As nobody asked this yet, he can reveal this information, giving him extra credibility.
Why should he counterclaim me as Sheriff? We are from different Vaults... every Vault is a small balanced setup. At the moment a Sheriff indeed fits into his Vault. But I think another investigative role will reveal soon, taking away credibility from him (i.e. Lookout).

Kidnapper is awesome. We can remove all external protection from our targets. Tebow should die soon, too. But I'd like to see the Mortician dead earlier. So if a Coroner dies we should be fine. I think only one of those two is in the game. Mortician is the only real threat to that Kidnapper strategy.


You will NOT be informed on what nights the actions were taken against your target, just the cause of the actions.

You will not discover the night numbers that your target took their actions, just the target names.
I know my shit XD

[Bragg]

^
I meant MFM VI up there, sorry :p

And Luna did use the role in MFM III, though the user derped a little and didn't get us much info ;)

[Bragg]

Ahh ok. Then the mortician and coroner are pretty weak. Much less of a threat than I thought they would be.

[Lando]

I think they are still pretty strong. Especially Mortician.
If we go for Spy, we could go the easy way and make him say that his result was Eddy night 1 (he should have been forced to use his ability) or anyone else, like Vick. As there was no feedback that would hint at a Framer/Lawyer/Actress/Dirty Sleuth/Consigliere or something similiar.
He didn't use his ability night 2 because he wanted to save it for night 4+. Chances in the Vault are too high to just get the killed target = no info.

[Bragg]

Why should he counterclaim me as Sheriff? We are from different Vaults... every Vault is a small balanced setup. At the moment a Sheriff indeed fits into his Vault. But I think another investigative role will reveal soon, taking away credibility from him (i.e. Lookout).
Not right away, but maybe in a few days. Bussing your own team mate has a pretty huge psychological effect on townies. It's often worth arguing against each other in day chat to make it look like you're not on the same team, especially if one player (Tarkin in this case) is already doomed to be lynched sooner or later.

[Lando]

kk, I thought you meant cc me the moment I claim. That made no sense to me, as I plan to claim tomorrow.

[Lando]

Right now we need a claim if he gets forced to claim day 5. A result for day 5 could be that somebody of Vault 103 was targeted. For example Mkoll. But I think I'd prefer somebody from Vault 21. I.e. Brees.
Here, too, the Mortician poses a hugh threat. And if Fluttershy gets checked by Mortician, I will get revealed, too. Mortician is fucking strong.

[Lando]

Just got the feedback from the FAQ:
Watchman is immune to luring.
Spy will be forced to use one charge. I think Eddy is the better choice for the night 1 result because we can't slip there. But if we need credibility, we should be bold and take another target. Vick would be nice imo, as, if the result is trusted, it makes him less likely mafia.
I can see a maximum of one of each being in the game. So if we go for those, we should take the one who is less likely to be in there, so that Tarkin doesn't get cc'ed.

[Bragg]

Can the spy info be on a killing action?

If so, we could have him use the red mafia kill/clean action for night 4. And I think the red mafia will likely use their other actions on players from their own vaults, so vault 5 or vault 37. Maybe vault 103 if they have a consigliere/dirty sleuth or something.

[Bragg]

If a detective or lookout sees Tarkin visiting anyone at all, a watchman/spy claim is immediately destroyed by the way.

[Lando]

If a detective or lookout sees Tarkin visiting anyone at all, a watchman/spy claim is immediately destroyed by the way.
Truth.
But same for citizen. I don't think that Lookout is a threat though. He won't be visiting important targets anytime soon. And we already got a dead detective and dead players claiming detective.

[Tarkin]

Spy claim would be easy to pull off, but town won't like it because it is so easily faked.

Perhaps I could claim Coroner. That way, I'll have an excuse if a mortician sees me visiting Larkin. (He wasn't in my vault, so any mortician to check him would know I visited him n4, after he died.

It's probably the best idea for me to just rob Larkin and try to give you guys both guns before I get lynched. However, that would easily out you guys if I'm caught robbing Larkin by a mortician and then a coroner checks me to see who I gave the guns to.

[Bragg]

Perhaps I could claim Coroner. That way, I'll have an excuse if a mortician sees me visiting Larkin. (He wasn't in my vault, so any mortician to check him would know I visited him n4, after he died.
A mortician won't see a person visiting Larkin, he'll just see that Larkin was targeted by a grave robber.

[Tarkin]

Wait nevermind. Mortician doesn't see who targeted the dead guy, only the actions that were performed on him. So it would be a bad idea to claim Coroner.

[Bragg]

However, that would easily out you guys if I'm caught robbing Larkin by a mortician and then a coroner checks me to see who I gave the guns to.
Give the gun to Lei then. He's just a puppet.

[Lando]

Can the spy info be on a killing action?

If so, we could have him use the red mafia kill/clean action for night 4. And I think the red mafia will likely use their other actions on players from their own vaults, so vault 5 or vault 37. Maybe vault 103 if they have a consigliere/dirty sleuth or something.
Hmm, I as a Spy would be waiting to use my ability for night 4 onwards because I don't want to get redundant information (yes, he can get the killing target). After everyone is reunited the chances to get a non-killed target is much higher. I think we shouldn't use the killed target as information. They might try to hide Beru or Nina. So those are fine in case of a Framer or Interceptor. For Consig/Dirty Sleuth/Actress important targets are better (Vault 103?).

Sure Spy is an easy claim. But I think they won't lynch you based on that. There are much better and more targets out there.

[Tarkin]

Give the gun to Lei then. He's just a puppet.

Will a puppet be able to actually use the gun?

[Lando]

Will a puppet be able to actually use the gun?
Yes. Answered in FAQ.

Could we drive Leia instead of Luke?
She was the driving force behind the Larkin lynch. Me checking her makes much more sense than checking Luke for my night result.
But I guess Luke makes much more sense for Vick. I think we should stick to Luke.

[Bragg]

Driving Leia isn't a bad idea. She's fairly likely to be given more guns by Mkoll.. if she's switched with a dead person, the town can't use that gun.

[Bragg]

On the other hand, the mafia isn't going to attack a journalist, so switching her indeed doesn't make any sense for Vick. Meh.

[Lando]

Summary of today:
Lando goes killing Luke->Fluttershy. Plans to claim Sheriff and frame Roger (possibly Wicket, too). Maybe discuss again, who I should check/frame as my third night action.
Vick drives Luke and Fluttershy.
Tarkin robs Larkin.
Bragg, the Shittizen, sits around and feels important. XD

[Lando]

Addendum: If Tarkin gets forced into a role claim today, he should claim Spy?

[Lando]

The Spy claim can help us out later, too.
You can leave some hints, like asking somebody, if anything happened to them last night. Just to reveal later that they were targeted by the Mafia (Framer). This might come in handy, when Vick gets checked. I think that if Tarkin asks that question today he can point back to it at a later point. As nothing happened to Vick (this is an assumption), they can expect him to be framed. It doesn't have to be the same night, they might just frame him again. And they were searching for him pretty hard, so framing him might not be too bad of an action for them.

[Lando]

When asking that question he should address more than one target, so that the Mafia it's not to obvious to the Mafia that he is Spy. And it's easier later when choosing one of them as his result for night 4.

[Lando]

When asking that question he should address more than one target, so that it's not too obvious to the Mafia that he is Spy.
fixed

[Lando]

Is it okay for you if I attack you in day chat for the thing you posted?
Like that it's impossible to lynch with your suggested role distribution - unless the puppets don't count. But then why didn't you correct me on this, when I posted the tally? This suggests that you are a Ventriloquist/Puppet.

[Lando]

Last post was directed at Bragg.

[Bragg]

Only attack me on it if Rodgers doesn't say he checked me and I came up suspicious. Don't need to give them additional reasons to lynch me instead of Roger.

[Lando]

kk, I'll keep quite about it if Rodgers pressures you.

Btw Ben isn't really dead. He'll be coming back. SW VI spoiled it (and the status, too). Mad Yedi tricks.

[Forum Mafia GM]

kk, I'll keep quite about it if Rodgers pressures you.

Btw Ben isn't really dead. He'll be coming back. SW VI spoiled it (and the status, too). Mad Yedi tricks.

I might just have to hijack the Ben and Yoda accounts and, through them, give advice from beyond the grave...

[Lando]

Awesome XD
Imba Citizen clue!

[Lando]

Or is it a game in the dead chat?

[Bragg]

As for Tarkin's fake spy claim... maybe he can say they visited Wedge night 1 instead of Luke?

It's still fairly likely that Tarkin will get offed at some point. When that happens, it looks a lot better on Vick if Tarkin tried to "protect" Wedge, who was calling Vick suspicious in day 4 chat.

[Bragg]

AND Tarkin was trying to stop the lynch on wedge on day 1...

Could be pretty convincing.

[Bragg]

^
I think we should roll with that. It can work to our advantage to make Tarkin's behaviour easy to explain and it avoids a link between Tarkin and Vick.

[Lando]

I think for night 1 we should roll with Eddy. Tarkin had no info so there was no need to speak up.
Night 2 he didn't use his ability. The Chance was too high to get no info as night 1 showed him.
Night 4 he used it. This is the target we can discuss.
I makes sense for him to question the target mentioned in his night result in order to find out what kind of Mafia targeted it. To make it not to obvious to the Mafia he questions more than one target, because the Mafia would be suspicious if exactly the guy that got targeted by one of them gets questioned if something happened to him that night. Wedge seems like an okay target if he has to reveal the same day. The question would be still out there, if he still wants to claim Spy at a later point, so that he can backtrack to them.
Let's make 3 or 4 targets he can ask that:
-Wedge
-Vick
-Tebow
-Law
If he needs to claim the target of the Mafia, he will name Wedge. Putting a lot of suspicion on him should Tarkin die.
Going for Framer/Actress/Consigliere/Dirty Sleuth-kind of Mafia for this.

[Bragg]

But he did speak up night 1.. he was fighting to keep a lynch off Wedge. Saying Eddy is rather transparent. The new Tarkin is not responsible for the old Tarkin's lack of asking if anything happened to Wedge on night 1.

It would still leave Brees, Manning and Luke as possible mafia members in that vault, which is plenty. Tarkin won't live long enough for all of them to be eliminated, I think.


Vick, Tebow, Law and Mkoll are decent targets for the question for night 4 events though.

[Lando]

yes, this looks sound.
And it makes sense with the defense on Wedge. Though it will incriminate Vick as he DID visit Wedge night 1.

[Lando]

Ah, my bad. It was night 2 that wedge was switched.

[Tarkin]

I think for night 1 we should roll with Eddy. Tarkin had no info so there was no need to speak up.
Night 2 he didn't use his ability. The Chance was too high to get no info as night 1 showed him.
Night 4 he used it. This is the target we can discuss.
I makes sense for him to question the target mentioned in his night result in order to find out what kind of Mafia targeted it. To make it not to obvious to the Mafia he questions more than one target, because the Mafia would be suspicious if exactly the guy that got targeted by one of them gets questioned if something happened to him that night. Wedge seems like an okay target if he has to reveal the same day. The question would be still out there, if he still wants to claim Spy at a later point, so that he can backtrack to them.
Let's make 3 or 4 targets he can ask that:
-Wedge
-Vick
-Tebow
-Law
If he needs to claim the target of the Mafia, he will name Wedge. Putting a lot of suspicion on him should Tarkin die.
Going for Framer/Actress/Consigliere/Dirty Sleuth-kind of Mafia for this.

How will I pull that off without seeming totally odd and suspicious?

"Um, did anything happen to Vick, Tebow, Law, or Mkoll last night?"

Or will people not see it as strange if I go around asking a bunch of people individually if anything happened to them last night.

[Lando]

ofc you won't ask them all at the same time. You could ask first if anything happened to anybody last night. After that you could proceed to ask them one by one directly if they didn't answer.

[Lando]

But take your time. No need to rush anything. The targets aren't totally fixed. so if you find some other ones we are fine, too. But the afkers like Tebow are the easiest one to ask, because you want to make them talk. You could add in the one or the other additional question to remove the focus from the feedback message.

[Lando]

3 targets are fine too if it's not too obvious that you are fishing for feedback messages. You are doing this so that the Mafia doesn't think that you are Spy/Lookout. Lookout is interested in the same information as you.

[Lando]

If you find a better way to do this, use it. All we wanna do is leave some traces we can point back at later.