Day 2: Passed the ammunition

[Forum Mafia GM]

Good morning folks, some sad news. Galaxy Radio has just learned that Hayley was discovered dead this morning. She shot herself last night. I just can't understand you folks sometimes.

Her role was... Citizen!

She did not leave a last will.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-DUq4ylZ5o



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Graveyard:

Hayley (Citizen): Shot herself during a game of Russian Roulette [Night 1]

[Yoshimitsu]

I see Brady had received a second chance, he better start helping or I'm willing to vote him up again without a hint of remorse

[Brady]

ok i iwll voote

-vote Francine
-vote STEVE STEVE STEVE

Explone.................................URself ??????

hey faggots any faggot can claim cit

you could probably just bluff your ass out and say "LoL I Can USe Clue But I Will Not Use It Bcuz That Would Be Waste But I Am Defanately Cit Dam"

even if they're essentially meatshielding for roulette you're still placing your trust in these faggots

also Franny must die...............For promoting......................................... ..These Ideals.........................Of Cit claiming

da streets aint beig enough for these gunZ

btw i am roulette lord and i am guaranteed to win every match of roulette; have fun if you're pit against me becuase Your Gonna Enter A World Of Paint

[Steve]

Lol didn't use my clue but I'll play roulette, I didn't want to vote hayley in the first place. -vote Gaunt -vote Brady I'll use my clue tonight, I'm surprised nobody died besides the roulette player. Unless you want me to save it longer? Hopefully that was a hidden any and not an NCR.

[Brady]

nigga there's no kills in vault

also it doens't say but ima geuss u can use clue during the day

yea son bust those clues out real good

$$$$$$$$$also dont forget to vote me, i will never lose a roulette, i am safest lynch, deal w/ it$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Ackbar]

I am also positive Hayley didn't claim citizen so that she wasn't causing a counter claim. She could've easily been random any, but not NCR since they are a power role right?

[Law]

Well based on this information "The person who received the most votes will start with the gun and may type -pull # times (where # is a number between 1 and 6) in Cyan in one of his post in the night chat to pull the trigger against his own head x times." I think it is reasonable to assume that Brady is not the jester, seeing that if he had wanted to die he could have simply pulled the trigger six times. That then raises the question of what is he? I doubt he would be mafia seeing as it seemed he purposefully drew attention onto himself. I can only think of two explanations. He could be the ghost, and Haley may have informed him that she was a town, which in turn could have caused him to decide to try and win the roulette game seeing as defeating the town is quite difficult. He could also simply be dissatisfied with his role and wanted to end his game as soon as possible.

[Ackbar]

I think you have to be lynched to become a ghost since your goal is to see your killers faction lose, aka suicide doesn't count?

[Steve]

I thought you could kill in the vault? O-o guess I'll save my clue for when we get out. NCR doesn't have to be power role.. Pressure Gaunt I want to hear a cool story.

[Francine]

Sigh... There is no way I would believe Steve's words again.
"Pressure Gaunt I want to hear a cool story"... all those words make me think that Steve is really scum. And he escaped the roulette game by a hair's breath by claiming "don't shoot me ima citizen i have a clue". And where is his clue now?

-vote Steve

I would also like to hear Gaunt's point of view on this.

[Gaunt]

I am going to write a long rant now, the short version is TOLD YOU SO! :p

[Gaunt]

apologies in advance for the sarcasm and anger in my rant, before I post I want to just

-vote Steve

my vote will stay on steve until he dies for reasons I will discuss in the rant. I haven't decided who my second vote will go onto.

[Gaunt]

apologies in advance for the sarcasm and anger in my rant, before I post I want to just

-vote Steve

my vote will stay on steve until he dies for reasons I will discuss in the rant. I haven't decided who my second vote will go onto.

whoops lol

[Gaunt]

I thought you could kill in the vault? O-o guess I'll save my clue for when we get out. NCR doesn't have to be power role.. Pressure Gaunt I want to hear a cool story.

Actually took the time to read day 2 while writing epic rant and I just found this so ironic I had to comment. I am happy to oblige you Steve ;)

[Francine]

I think that the second suspect is Brady, as he is still alive. Not going to vote him yet, though. I'll ask instead some qusetions to you:

What do you think of Brady?
Do you think that what I did at Day 1 was meaningless?

And a question to Brady:
Can you show your conversation with Hayley during Russian Roulette? Please answer to us.

[Gaunt]

Dissecting Day 1: Forum Mafia 101 Case Study – The Citizen Gambit!

By Gaunt

Part 1 The Citizen Gambit Transcript

Post 1:
You're all not very smart here, aren't you? It looks loke the I'm the only one who can manage things here. Before I start putting my votes out, I would like to ask you a question. Which one of you is an ordinary citizen? Answer truthfully.

Just look at this list here. There is at least one citizen here. Don't be afraid to step up. I'm sure there won't be more than one citizen claimers.

Post 2:
Lol i'm the one citizen that's why i'm not active almost suicided night 0. Ima use my clue tonight I'll post it here. earwigs

Citizen Rolecard:

Citizen:
Abilities: Your power lies in the vote.

You have a one-time use ability called 'Clue'. To use 'Clue' PM the Host.

Once you have used 'Clue', you will receive a reply from the Host which contains current information about the game. These notes will NOT include any information which cannot be deduced from day chat, and the notes can come in any form (Bullet points, Haiku, Limerick, angry rant, rage comic, etc.).

'Clue' is designed to help aid your scum-hunting if you ever feel overwhelmed, lost, or you simply need to catch up. Your 'Clue' will be unique to you.

note: I didn't actually check the citizen rolecard until I started this rant, we all make mistakes :/

Post 3:
Wow, looks like the one who I wanted to see finally showed up.

-unvote Steve

Steve, are you the only citizen here? Or there will be another citizen claim today?

Post 4:
Hopefully i'm the only cit I'd rather not get lynched before I get to use my clue lol. I have school for the next 5 hours so don't expect anything from me. Hopefully there aren't 2 cits... Sorry for not posting been too busy for all this roleplay reading. Haven't read any other posts ITT will read when I get home.

Post 5:
Francine why are you so concerned with who claims citizen? Please reveal the logic behind this because right now it is just looking stupid and I don't see the point of the discussion.

I am reluctant to unvote Steve however, the nature of his post is "WAHH I'M A CITIZEN, I DON'T WANT TO PLAY THE FUCKING GAME BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A NIGHT ACTION." Right now the three people with votes are Steve, Yoshimitsu and Brady and at the moment I would rather have Steve and Brady in a roulette than Brady and Yoshimisu because Yoshimitsu actually contributes to the dialogue.

I see the upside to waiting to see what clue Steve gets and I am open to unvoting him in the future depending on how things go.

Post 6:
Gaunt the only confirmed role is citizen, I would suggest unvoting as you look awful scummy atm. There isn't even a counter claim. -vote Gaunt I have lunch in 2 hours I'll check back then.

Post 7:

What is the logic behind you wanting to know who the citizen is?

The logic is simple - to reduce the number of suspects. If another person will claim himself citizen, then people will probably vote that person together with Steve. At least knowing that Steve is "citizen" is better then knowing nothing.

Post 8:
Steve I will unvote you if you contribute to the conversation more than coming back to me with "NO U". I will unvote you if you actually start contributing to the conversation. If I was scum I would instantly unvote you in order to keep up appearances but I don't really care about appearances as much and more about encouraging a dialogue and scum hunting. I haven't made up my mind on the issue and really do we have better targets right now?

Also the problem with automatically eliminating citizens as suspects is that mafia could easily claim citizen while the confirmed citizen remains silent. Also if there are two citizen claims and they are both citizens because of this one person will think they are suspicious. Steve is playing the angle of ragequitting citizen well which would be a good tatic for a scum to bypass suspicion. Nothing is confirmed yet.

I suspect you have other motives to your request for a citizen claim, I am not disagreeing with the idea rather I am just inquiring about it.

Post 9:
Hello Law, since you were absent for most of the day I would like some insight from you into the day's events.

What do you think of Me?

Post 10:
Ideally we need to pinpoint two scum targets - one mafia and one benigh neutral. I honestly think that Steve is a citizen, since he mentioned "clue". Wherether his future clues will be credible or not, we will see it only in the next day.

Post 11:
True, I am really curious about the Clue mechanic as well. If he isn't citizen it will be fun to see what he makes up.

-unvote steve
-vote Hayley

I would rather just vote Brady but this vaults mechanic's are messed up and in my mind Hayley is the scummiest out of anyone contributing.

Post 12:
Lol at gaunt defending his choice to vote citizen. That is my contribution to the discussion nominating you for roulette gaunt. Not a NO U. You are on my scum list.

If i'm not getting voted I don't really want to waste my clue lol. I will if you guys insist in it though...would rather use it later on :(

Post 13:

Hello Law, since you were absent for most of the day I would like some insight from you into the day's events.

What do you think of Hayley?
What do you think of Me?I'm not suspicious of Hayley.

I am suspicious of you.


Now answer me a question please. Why do you want to vote Steve into the roulette when the only confirmed role in our entire vault is the role he just claimed?

I also completely understand why Francine wanted to find the citizen in our vault, and if she hadn't asked for the citizen to claim I would have. Not only does having the citizen claim early prevent scum from counter claiming, it also provides us with a player that we can put into the roulette if we have no clear second lynch target.

Post 14:
Ackbar vote gaunt with us for red.
It's not a trap bro.
I'm the only one that's claiming citizen which is nice.
I don't like being challenged for a role I actually am useless as it may be.
I suppose I'll use my clue tonight as we can't really get any sort of lead any other day.
Also I'm most likely going to be eliminated being the confirmed citizen.
I might not though it will be a tough decision.
Anyone have any suggestions?
It could be a completely useless piece of information or an incredibly useful one.

Post 15:
You are suspicious of me and yet you just made the exact point I was going to make.

If Steve had said "Sorry I've been busy I'm a cit" then I would have unvoted him promptly. But he said he wasn't active because he is a citizen and he almost suicided night 0. We don't have a second lynch target as of yet so why not put someone in the roulette who would rather suicide than play as a citizen?

I decided to unvote him because his clue has the potential to give us information and because I am suspicious of Hayley for reasons I have said already.

[Yoshimitsu]

-vote Steve

Why is the fuck did you NOT use your clue. It could have helped the town immensely with the scumhunting.

On another note Francine, if I told you I was an investigator, and investigated you last night. What would your initial reaction be?

Same goes to you Gaunt.

Just letting you know, if I was an investigator, I visited one of you to. You guys better tell the truth.

[Francine]

Sorry, Yoshimitsu, but NCR does NOT have an investigator. Mafia DOES has Consigliere though. And because of that, my finger of suspicion is now on you. Why you mentioned investigator while there is NO town-aligned investigator?

-vote Yoshimitsu

By the way, if I was really investigated by NCR town role, I would be relieved. The problem is, there are not many reliable investigation roles in the town. Just what are you, Yoshimitsu?

[Yoshimitsu]

I was asking a question, not roleclaiming. Learn the difference.

[Francine]

And I just answered it to you.

Was "investigator" a relative term of yours, perhaps? Does it mean investigative town power role in general?

[Yoshimitsu]

For me, Investigator includes all sheriff types, detective, and lookout

[Francine]

Well, I guess I was rash in my thinking. Sorry about that.

-unvote Yoshimitsu

I assume that you know something about me already, aren't you?

[Gaunt]

Part 2: Analysis


Post 1 Thoughts: Interesting idea, this should be fun!

Post 2 Initial Thoughts: Wow what a bitch! You get cit so you almost suicide. If you are going to act that way then might as well send you to the roulette
Post 2 Pre Clue Mechanic Thoughts: Ok he is either a bitch or he is lying, something is seriously wrong with this guy’s citizen claim.
Post 2 Post Clue Mechanic Thoughts: Definitely scum, smart enough to wifom ragequitting citizen and probably read the clue mechanic and tried to abuse the “mystery” of it

Post 3 Thoughts: HERP DERP HE CLAIMED CITIZEN, HE MUST BE TELLING THE TRUTH, UNVOTE! *facepalm*

Post 4 Thoughts: Again playing the clue card, and wifoming dumb cit. Also covering his ass in case SOMEONE ELSE CLAIMS CIT!

Post 5 Rationale: I baited her with insults to make sure she responded, I actually found it a useful tool for gathering information. Everything else I have explained, man I feel retarded for missing clue wifom day 1

Post 6 Thoughts: Scumtell! vote anyone who votes you

Post 7 Thoughts: Learn2Wifom… the point of the citizen claim is to give us something to talk about without information. I liked the idea a lot actually but I was really disappointed by your justification of it. Things you missed…
1) Scum can claim cit first (told you so)
2) A cit may not want to claim cit because they don’t want to take a roulette for vault 5
3) If there isn’t a better lynch target we can put the cit in the roulette and nothing of value was lost. Of course if the cit contributes to the conversation and is an effective scum hunter we can just send a dumbass to the roulette instead but there is still that fear which is why a cit might not claim
4) A town PR could claim cit as some sort of a stupid gambit
5) More posibilites I didn’t think of
The correct reason is that it gives us a tool to discuss and scumhunt with

Post 8 Rationale: Speaks for itself, Told you guys :p

Post 10 Thoughts: This is why we read the rules… meh everyone including me makes mistakes

Post 11 Rationale: I bought the I’m a retarded cit wifom :(

Post 12 Thoughts: Keeping up the retarded citizen gambit

Post 13 Thoughts: This makes me think that Law is scum as well. Under the hypothetical that Steve is the confirmed Enclave and there is another Enclave in the random any’s I am willing to bet it would be Law. He wants to defend steve and provides an explination for what happened as well. Also I don’t believe you would have thought of that Law, you are either scum or dumb.
Post 14 Thoughts: FACEPALM

Post 15 Rationale: The “I almost suicided because I am a cit comment offended me to the core to the point where I was blinded to the brilliance of the wifom. Why it offended me is simple, because citizens should try to contribute and make good chat. This isn’t fucking sc2mafia retard land where no one will play a game with citizens, if you are going to have that kind of attitude please go back there and don’t waste my time with forum mafia. If that was genuine then he is a fucking retard who is a waste of oxygen.

[Gaunt]

Part 3: Conclusions

-If Steve Flips Enclave Law might be Enclave buddying with him
-Steve is smarter than he seems
-It is unlikely but possible Steve is jester or ghost, he couldn’t have predicted Hayley dying from roulette and being citizen
-hopefully steve dies because that gives us the most information
-NOTHING IS CONFIRMED!
-I had a gut feeling that Steve's citizen claim was false but didn't really think it through, I is pro scumhunter

[Francine]

While most of us do agree that Steve is not citizen, we need to vote 2 people, not one. And both of those nominated should be non-NCR - one Enclave and one hidden neutral. I would say that Brady is still the second most suspicious person. On the other hand, there are other people that I know nothing about - Law, Ackbar. Yoshimitsu probably just tried some kind of gambit on me.

By the way, if Steve was Enclave and he had a teammate with him, would it be really Law? Or someone else?

[Gaunt]

Day 2 thoughts so far (going to bed after this):
-Law points out something useful to know but what is his purpose for pointing it out? Could it be to provide doubt in rouletting a potential jester? WIFOM!


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What do you think of Brady?
Do you think that what I did at Day 1 was meaningless?

Brady is stupid, not sure what role he is though but I believe it to be genuine stupidity and not wifom
Nope I think it was useful… see rant


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-vote Steve

Why is the fuck did you NOT use your clue. It could have helped the town immensely with the scumhunting.

On another note Francine, if I told you I was an investigator, and investigated you last night. What would your initial reaction be?

Same goes to you Gaunt.

Just letting you know, if I was an investigator, I visited one of you to. You guys better tell the truth.
STOP FALLING FOR THE CLUE MECHANIC WIFOM!
My initial reaction would be yeah so?
See there isn’t an investigator there is only a Sheriff so I’m just gonna assume you meant that, also the only confirmed NCR role is Sane Sheriff.
Sheriff Rolecard…
Abilities: At night you may check a single target. If your target is an NCR or Benign Neutral role they will come up as 'Not Suspicious'. Otherwise your target will come up as 'Suspicious'.

You do NOT know what kind of Sheriff you are, however.

A Sane Sheriff will behave as normal.
A Naive Sheriff will see everyone as 'Not Suspicious'.
A Paranoid Sheriff will see everyone as 'Suspicious'.
An Insane Sheriff will see 'Suspicious' people as 'Not Suspicious' and vice versa.
All Sheriffs are NCR-aligned.

I’ve talked to Luna about the theories of MFM and FM balance and one of the key things she said was that in most FM’s scum is way too limited and that a big theme in this fm was that scum had more leway to fakeclaim and more leway for scumhunting.

If you were sheriff the point of investigating someone is to throw them in the roulette and see what kind of a sheriff you are. This makes it a good scum claim for someone to tunnel vision as and be all like "we should lynch them so I can find out what kind of cop I am."

If you are a detective or a lookout then whoop te doo, you confirmed your role… there aren’t any night kills so you can’t exactly catch either of us red handed. I’m not going to claim because you know I targeted someone or no one at all but thanks for sharing, want a cookie?

[Gaunt]

By the way, if Steve was Enclave and he had a teammate with him, would it be really Law? Or someone else?

It is a huntch, but actually that leads me to ask you Francine. Hypothetically if Steve flips enclave and a random any is enclave who do you think it would be?

[Francine]

If Steve flips enclave, then his teammate would one of the people that did not vote him at Day 1 before Steve claimed himself "citizen". I tihnk it would be one of those people - Ackbar, Law, Yoshimitsu. I see no ties between Brady and Steve yet, but if Brady is scum, then he is probably not in same team as Steve.

[Francine]

By the way Brady, you said that you can win Russian Roulette with anyone. Do you have to guts to play roulette with Steve? He in confirmed scum in our eyes. Can you win Roulette against him? Do you have confidence in yourself?

[Gaunt]

If Steve flips enclave, then his teammate would one of the people that did not vote him at Day 1 before Steve claimed himself "citizen". I tihnk it would be one of those people - Ackbar, Law, Yoshimitsu. I see no ties between Brady and Steve yet, but if Brady is scum, then he is probably not in same team as Steve.

Good point that narrows down the hypothetical suspects. Though I would count Ackbar out, he said he only had dial up that day and posted very little. I don't believe that is wifom since he said he would have good internet by wednesday.

[Gaunt]

Questions for Francine:

1) assuming Steve is Enclave and a random any is an Enclave what evidence from the day chat would you say supports the fact that Yoshimitsu is Enclave? what evidence would you say opposes the fact that Yoshimitsu is Enclave?

2) assuming Steve is Enclave and a random any is an Enclave what evidence from the day chat would you say supports the fact that Law is Enclave? what evidence would you say opposes the fact that Law is Enclave?

[Law]

Steve had claimed citizen. Citizen was the only confirmed role in our vault. No one, including Hayley, counter claimed him. It is only logical to assume that he is telling the truth in that situation.

But now we see that Hayley was citizen. While it doesn't mean Steve is not a citizen, it does make his claim much more unlikely. Unfortunately there is not much we can do to prove whether or not he is telling the truth. I lean towards believing his claim because scum would have little to gain from claiming citizen the first day, while they would have a lot to lose.

[Law]

Ackbar and Yoshimitsu, I would like to hear more from you.

1. What role and/or alignment do you believe Brady to be?
2. Do you still believe Steve's citizen claim? Why or why not?
3. Who are your top three scummiest players?

[Francine]

Law still "believes" that Steve is citizen, it's more like he want to divert our attention to someone else. I think that Law is either too naive, for not seeing Gaunt's thoughts, or is scum himself.

As for Yoshimitsu, there is no proof that he is tied with Steve (he voted against him), but his disposition towards me makes him suspicious to me regardless. But how else you would lynch scum when the chance is only 50/50?

I'm starting to lean against Law, I might vote him at any good moment.

[Law]

Law still "believes" that Steve is citizen, it's more like he want to divert our attention to someone else. I think that Law is either too naive, for not seeing Gaunt's thoughts, or is scum himself.

As for Yoshimitsu, there is no proof that he is tied with Steve (he voted against him), but his disposition towards me makes him suspicious to me regardless. But how else you would lynch scum when the chance is only 50/50?

I'm starting to lean against Law, I might vote him at any good moment.

Please explain to me why you think Steve is lying. I simply don't see the logic behind why he would lie about that.

I am not trying to divert attention to someone else. I simply don't think Steve nor Brady are good lynch targets. I have already stated I believe Steve to be a citizen and Brady to be a ghost, which means that neither are a good lynch target from my perspective. I asked Ackbar and Yoshimitsu those questions because they have hardly posted, and I cannot gauge those that I have no information on. They could very well be using the tunnel vision that is being focused onto Steve and Brady to slip under the radar.

We have 14 hours left in the day, I am simply trying to use all of them.

[Gaunt]

Since law hasn't voted steve yet I have a question for law: How do you think other people will view you if you cave into my pressure and vote steve? How do you think people will view you if you stick to your guns?

[Gaunt]

Please explain to me why you think Steve is lying. I simply don't see the logic behind why he would lie about that.

I am not trying to divert attention to someone else. I simply don't think Steve nor Brady are good lynch targets. I have already stated I believe Steve to be a citizen and Brady to be a ghost, which means that neither are a good lynch target from my perspective. I asked Ackbar and Yoshimitsu those questions because they have hardly posted, and I cannot gauge those that I have no information on. They could very well be using the tunnel vision that is being focused onto Steve and Brady to slip under the radar.

We have 14 hours left in the day, I am simply trying to use all of them.

I spent roughly two hours on a rant explaining why steve is scum, why don't you just read that.

[Law]

Since law hasn't voted steve yet I have a question for law: How do you think other people will view you if you cave into my pressure and vote steve? How do you think people will view you if you stick to your guns?

I could care less about how anyone else views me, especially when those people could easily not be on my side. I do not believe Steve is scum, and I will not vote him simply because you are Francine are trying to get a train going on him. I will cast my votes on my own terms, and not on anyone else's.

Now that I have answered your question, I have questions for you and Francine:

1. What do you think Steve's alignment is?
2. Assuming the alignment you believe him to be is true, what do you think he was attempting to do by lying about being a citizen?

[Law]

I spent roughly two hours on a rant explaining why steve is scum, why don't you just read that.

That was for Francine. I would like for you to answer the two questions I just posted.

[Gaunt]

That was for Francine. I would like for you to answer the two questions I just posted.

I allready did in a rant that took me who hours to write

[Law]

I allready did in a rant that took me who hours to write

You never list a definite answer. You offer possibilities, but you never settle on an opinion. Please answer the two questions.

[Law]

I'm off to bed. I would like all my questions to be answered by the time I get up.

[Gaunt]

I could care less about how anyone else views me

Humour me. Since you are being politically correct I will explain the situation you are in

1) If you cave to the pressure and vote steve you look like mafia because you are trying to keep appearances. Most mafia will sacrifice one of their teammates if they believe he is doomed to be lynched (in this case rouletted). But you also look like town because it is common sense.
2) If you stick to your guns people will question why you are going down with the ship so does that make you town or mafia? Wifom man wifom

[Gaunt]

You never list a definite answer. You offer possibilities, but you never settle on an opinion. Please answer the two questions.

my opinion is that he is lying about being a citizen and scum, not sure if brotherhood or enclave though really hard to tell in this setup with the random any's. For all we know him and you could both be brotherhood taking up 2/3 spots.

If steve isn't scum his stupidity is enough to make him a roulette target. Honestly what has he contributed.

[Gaunt]

My opinion is that he is lying about being a citizen and scum, not sure if brotherhood or enclave. Really hard to tell in this setup with the random any's. For all we know him and you could both be brotherhood taking up 2/3 of the random any spots.

Why does it matter which mafia team Steve is on? We want to kill both of them.

If steve isn't scum his stupidity is enough to make him a roulette target. Honestly what has he contributed?

edited for grammar and such

[Gaunt]

Law I think you should lynch Steve even on the the off chance my instincts are wrong he flips citizen. Consider the following:

1) If Steve dies on the roulette it gives us the most information to make our decisions day 3 for the melon roulette, ARE YOU AFRAID OF INFORMATION? If he is a cit it completely clears you of any suspicion.

2) Steve has contributed jack shit to the dialogue and said "I almost suicided day 0." If that is true then BITCH GTFO VAULT 5 (in a bodybag not with the rest of us). I've expressed my loathing for that one post in the past

3) In sc2mafia the majority have come to the conclusion that the following statement is true: "A citizen's job is to take a bullet for the town" Would you rather risk some power role NCR dying or a possible jester (brady) causing massive amounts of damage than steve?

and most importantly

4) Your vote is a symbol, he is going to the roulette regardless

If you choose not to vote him feel free to refute my points at length

[Francine]

I think that we should vote people from different groups. Voting both Law and Stve would be harmful if Steve survives and Law dies after flipping town.

-vote Brady

If Steve dies, then we can follow the leads on Law depending on what was his role. Though of course I would rather see Steve die instead of random power role in the retarded russian Roulette.

Right now I'm waiting for Brady's defence. Also, Steve's votes weren't bolded, so I'm not sure if they are counted or not.

[Gaunt]

I think that we should vote people from different groups. Voting both Law and Stve would be harmful if Steve survives and Law dies after flipping town.

-vote Brady

If Steve dies, then we can follow the leads on Law depending on what was his role. Though of course I would rather see Steve die instead of random power role in the retarded russian Roulette.

Right now I'm waiting for Brady's defence. Also, Steve's votes weren't bolded, so I'm not sure if they are counted or not.

Who said anything about voting Law? I am just trying to deduce if my suspicions on Law are correct by interrogating him. I won't be casting my second vote until about an hour before the day ends because it requires a lot more thought than -vote steve.

[Steve]

Law is just being logical, you guys are dumb as fuck. Why wouldn't I want to suicide, I've flipped cit 3 times in a row and town always lynches me. I'll try to win the roulette but clue is useless anyways if it is deduced from information already posted. I would rather wait until later to use it because there will have been more posts, and a higher possibility of scum fucking up a post or something. O-o that's pretty legit, let's give the citizens an ability but let's make it as useless as their role. Gaunt is really coming at me, there us no proof that I'm enclave and he's getting uber defensive..

[Steve]

If you want to vote me up vote Gaunt with me please. Nobody accused him of anything really, there's no reason to be defensive. Just making yourself look scummy.

[Gaunt]

I hope for the Enclave's sake both of you aren't enclave because then I would almost feel bad for them... almost

[Steve]

If you vote me I insist that you vote Gaunt up as well.
If Law is voted up with me I'm going to use all 6 shots on myself.
He's the only one thinking logically.

[Steve]

So don't worry about it Law I'll sacrifice myself if need be.
Not sure what role you are but we can discuss in roulette chat if you're voted up with me.

[Gaunt]

If you vote me I insist that you vote Gaunt up as well.
If Law is voted up with me I'm going to use all 6 shots on myself.
He's the only one thinking logically.

I call your bluff! -vote law

[Gaunt]

I call your bluff! -vote law

why do i keep fucking this up? lol

[Steve]

What bluff? Kill Gaunt after I suicide.

[Law]

-vote Francine

My second vote will be cast after Yoshimitsu and Ackbar answer my questions, although I assume they are going to be interviewed tonight.

[Law]

As for you Gaunt, I am going to ask you one more time, and I want a fucking answer.

If Steve were mafia, what do you think he expected to accomplish by claiming citizen?

I await your enlightening response.

[Yoshimitsu]

Why me? I've spoken today, why would I be interviewed? Also, my next post will answer all the questions directed at me.

[Yoshimitsu]

"1. What role and/or alignment do you believe Brady to be?"

I personally do not think Brady is a mafia member with the way he's been acting. He can only be a town member or a neutral. I personally think he either got, in his eyes, a very lame power role. Or is trying to get lynched as a type of neutral, but he started with the gun yesterday, so he can't be a Jester/Ghost.

2. Do you still believe Steve's citizen claim? Why or why not?

I only half believe Steve's cit claim. Yes, I think it makes more sense than most other people do, but he didn't use the clue, which would have helped him immensely with scumhunting, which, honestly, he's fucking shit at right now.

3. Who are your top three scummiest players?

1. Francine, I have a reason of my own for believing her scumminess, but by Day Chat alone, she has started all of the "safe" lynches and is trying to appear the most pro-town, while still finding any reason to vote any town member. That being said, she unvoted me rather quickly instead of interrogating me more, which worries me still, I would think a town member would be more skeptical than that.

2. Brady, I think he can only be a neutral with his actions so far.

3. You, Law, have been acting very peculiar and have been very, very frugal with your votes. In my past experiences, town members usually aren't the ones who are a bit nervous to vote someone off the island.

Honourable Mention: Steve, he helps the town even less than Brady does.

[Law]

Thank you for answering.

I simply am waiting for more information before I cast my second vote. As for Day 1 I did not vote because Brady had already been at four votes (one more vote would have caused two people to suicide had he been jester) and Hayley was only one vote behind him (I wanted Brady to start with the gun for the precise reason that if he won we would know he wasn't jester).

[Gaunt]

I think Steve vs Law is the ideal roulette scenario and would encourage the vault to vote them into roulette. The scenario gives us the most information on who to roulette.

After my ideas Steve is hardcore buddying with Law which makes me think there my theory is a lot more accurate than it seemed. I really think Steve is a smart mafia wifoming a dumb citizen. It also supports my theory that steve and law are enclave/brotherhood on the same team. Honestly it was just a hunch but as my questions progressed their actions really supported it.

I really worry that steve might be the acctress given his bluff. That is the only trick I can see him having up his sleve, but that is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. That being said I know from personal experience that Luna believes the actress is an extremely powerful role and that her setups are never random (see mfm hosting guide). Still though probably nothing.

If Steve Flips Citizen:
Law is cleared from my suspicion. He could be scum but I will apologize and admit my suspicions were probably wrong.

If Steve Enclave/Brotherhood:
Law is very suspicious and should be melon rouletted. Not 100% scum because NOTHING IS CONFIRMED but still very suspicous

If Steve Flips Scum Neutral: Then Law is cleared but my thoughts on steve remain valid.

If Steve Flips Jester: We're fucked

All that being said I will tip my hat to steve if I see at the end of the game he is an actress.

If Law Dies: Supports my theroy that Steve is smart scum wifoming stupid citizen.

[Gaunt]

I meant to say

The scenario gives us the most information on who to melon roulette day 3.

*that feeling when you make a thought out post and notice a typo right after... sigh*

[Francine]

Now Steve and Law are acting strange. Why Steve would want to take all 6 shots to himself if he was nominated together with Law? And why do you suspect Gaunt so badly? Gaunt is acting like pro-town, I can feel that.

I'm starting to agree with Gaunt, though. Putting Law and Steve together on roulette would be our best bet now.

-unvote Brady
-vote Law

[Gaunt]

As for you Gaunt, I am going to ask you one more time, and I want a fucking answer.

If Steve were mafia, what do you think he expected to accomplish by claiming citizen?

I await your enlightening response.

If Steve was mafia he would hope to accomplish clearing himself by being the first citizen claimer. The claim itself may have been a spontaneous gambit that backfired. He assessed the situation and saw an opportunity! If we go by Francine’s view of things


The logic is simple - to reduce the number of suspects. If another person will claim himself citizen, then people will probably vote that person together with Steve. At least knowing that Steve is "citizen" is better than knowing nothing

That is the most basic wifom for the citizen claim. Steve was hoping that would benefit him but the roulette hit Hayley and it didn’t. Not saying it was the most thought out claim or the perfect theory because NOTHING IS CONFIRMED but I can see the logic behind a fake citizen claim as mafia.

[Gaunt]

On to other matters Question and Answer time

Answers:
"1. What role and/or alignment do you believe Brady to be?"

I believe him to be a genuine troll and a bad forum mafia player. This does not speak to his role because the way he plays it is hard to gauge allignment. If he was jester/ghost He would have suicided the roulette. Second most comfortable roulette scenario.

3. To rephrase Who do you think is scum other than steve/law?

Brady and Ackbar because of how little they contribute.

According to my notes ackbar said day 1 that he doesn't have a good internet connection until wednesday (today) but he still contributed jack shit. I generally believe people when they say they have personal issues or a life or are busy because life comes before forum mafia kind of like bros before hoes. I think he would be a good free lynch if he doesn't contribute but I feel guilty about it.

Brady would be a good alternative roulette canidate though, contributes nothing and such...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22596403.jpg

[Gaunt]

Questions for anyone who feels like answering: What do you think of Ackbar and his shit internet claim?

If he gets interviewed and fails that then do you think a free lynch or melon roulette would be better for Ackbar?

Who do you think is the LEAST SCUMMY PLAYER?

I will answer these questions myself once enough other people do...

[Yoshimitsu]

I personally think a free lynch would be better

also

-vote Francine

All I see from Francine is buddying with Gaunt

[Yoshimitsu]

I personally think a free lynch would be better

also

-vote Francine

All I see from Francine is buddying with Gaunt

fix'd

[Gaunt]

I personally think a free lynch would be better

also

-vote Francine

All I see from Francine is buddying with Gaunt

Ya I've noticed it too, it kind of makes me suspicious of her but I am very flattered with her buddying lol. It is like "yes someone agrees with me" so I'm bias :/

[Francine]

Only a few hours left, so I don't think someone answer you question, Gaunt.

I'm not afraid of playing roulette with Steve, but if I die, you will lose a valuable member of NCR. Make up with your mind quickly.

[Steve]

-vote Francine
-vote Gaunt
If I'm with law I'm shooting myself.

[Steve]

I think Steve vs Law is the ideal roulette scenario and would encourage the vault to vote them into roulette. The scenario gives us the most information on who to roulette.

After my ideas Steve is hardcore buddying with Law which makes me think there my theory is a lot more accurate than it seemed. I really think Steve is a smart mafia wifoming a dumb citizen. It also supports my theory that steve and law are enclave/brotherhood on the same team. Honestly it was just a hunch but as my questions progressed their actions really supported it.

I really worry that steve might be the acctress given his bluff. That is the only trick I can see him having up his sleve, but that is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. That being said I know from personal experience that Luna believes the actress is an extremely powerful role and that her setups are never random (see mfm hosting guide). Still though probably nothing.

If Steve Flips Citizen:
Law is cleared from my suspicion. He could be scum but I will apologize and admit my suspicions were probably wrong.

If Steve Enclave/Brotherhood:
Law is very suspicious and should be melon rouletted. Not 100% scum because NOTHING IS CONFIRMED but still very suspicous

If Steve Flips Scum Neutral: Then Law is cleared but my thoughts on steve remain valid.

If Steve Flips Jester: We're fucked

All that being said I will tip my hat to steve if I see at the end of the game he is an actress.

If Law Dies: Supports my theroy that Steve is smart scum wifoming stupid citizen.

you spelled actress wrong.
why are you all chain voting with this idiot?

[Law]

[QUOTE=Gaunt;146685]If Steve was mafia he would hope to accomplish clearing himself by being the first citizen claimer. The claim itself may have been a spontaneous gambit that backfired. He assessed the situation and saw an opportunity! If we go by Francine’s view of things

So essentially what you are suggesting is that you think Steve believed he would clear himself by claiming citizen, despite knowing that he would be counter claimed at some point. You are also suggesting that he assumed after he was counter claimed he wouldn't be instantly lynched. Basically, you are suggesting that Steve is the worst player in FM history. Claiming citizen in a situation like this when you are mafia is an insanely idiotic thing, and I refuse to believe Steve is that stupid. You are so focused in on trying to get Steve lynched that you cannot even realize how improbable your ideas actually are.

[Francine]

In case if you don't change your mind, wish me good luck. I'm gonna seriosly beat the crap out of Steve in that roulette game. Though I still don't understand why would he take all 6 bullets for Law. Does he knows something about Law that we don't?

Well, saoynara then.

[Law]

-vote Brady

I do not believe Gaunt is scum, although his tunnel vision towards Steve is puzzling. In absence of a second lynch target I would like to see a roulette game of Brady vs Francine.

[Steve]

-vote Brady
-vote Francine
I'd rather not kill someone in roulette, I would either suicide if they were a town PR like I believe Gaunt to be, thinking logically and what not, or 50/50.

[Law]

Tally

Francine - (4) Brady, Law, Yoshimitsu, Steve
Steve - (4) Brady, Francine, Gaunt, Yoshimitsu,
Gaunt - (1) Steve
Brady - (1) Law
Law - (2) Gaunt, Francine

[Law]

Francine - (4) Brady, Law, Yoshimitsu, Steve
Steve - (4) Brady, Francine, Gaunt, Yoshimitsu,
Brady - (2) Law, Steve
Law - (2) Gaunt, Francine

[Ackbar]

I am really really sorry, still no internet today, on dial-up. Fairpoint is now saying midnight EST or tomorrow.
1. What role and/or alignment do you believe Brady to be?
Either a really cocky stupid citizen or neutral. "I am the roulette master can't kill me"
2. Do you still believe Steve's citizen claim? Why or why not?
I believe the possibility of their being more then one citizen role, but I do not understand WHY he would say he's using his clue then not use it once he's declared "safe."
Why hailey did not say that she was citizen too I do not know.
3. Who are your top three scummiest players?
Brady- Obvious acts
Steve- Lack of clue
Either Law OR Gaunt- Not for the fact that they seem scummy, but my instincts say one of them is on the opposite side of the other.

-vote Steve
-vote Brady

I am very very sorry that I haven't been active but this internet problem and promises of internet today is killing me.

[Ackbar]

I am really really sorry, still no internet today, on dial-up. Fairpoint is now saying midnight EST or tomorrow.
1. What role and/or alignment do you believe Brady to be?
Either a really cocky stupid citizen or neutral. "I am the roulette master can't kill me"
2. Do you still believe Steve's citizen claim? Why or why not?
I believe the possibility of their being more then one citizen role, but I do not understand WHY he would say he's using his clue then not use it once he's declared "safe."
Why hailey did not say that she was citizen too I do not know.
3. Who are your top three scummiest players?
Brady- Obvious acts
Steve- Lack of clue
Either Law OR Gaunt- Not for the fact that they seem scummy, but my instincts say one of them is on the opposite side of the other.

-vote Steve
-vote Brady

I am very very sorry that I haven't been active but this internet problem and promises of internet today is killing me.

Actually
-unvote Steve


He's a lot less scummy after reading through again.

[Steve]

lol let's lynch steve he didn't use his useless clue

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Hmm is that Steve and Francine I see heading off to that terrible room? Jeez, you guys are insatiable!