Day 1: Poker Face

[Forum Mafia GM]

Good morning, rise and shine vault-dwellers, wake up and greet the next day of the rest of your lives!


I have been contacted by our dear new friends at the NCR and they've been complaining that none of y'all have been responding to their hails. In fact, I aint heard a peep out of ya! You know that Intercommy-thing on the wall? Speak near that once in a while, folks!


Anyway, an NCR column is currently on its way.


This is Roxy with Galaxy Radio, making your spurs jingle, jangle jingle...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RcJLOl1nPk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RcJLOl1nPk)

[Francine]

First wake up, first served!

[Gaunt]

So if you read the rules Queen Luna says day 1 isn't a troll day even though we have fuck all to go on. I think she is trying to influence how we play the game, bad hosting. To start the discussion what are everyone's thoughts about the vault system?

[Forum Mafia GM]

To make things more simple:

When you cast your two votes, you have a Cyan vote and a Red vote.

All the votes go into the same tally so there is not a separate Cyan and Red lynch target, the two players with the most votes will be forced to play roulette.

This is simply to make it simpler when counting the votes, and to make things simpler for you guys when you want to change your votes.

[Brady]

is this the cool kids lurker club

[Brady]

-Obnoxiously large picture edited out-

also
-vote Law

[Brady]

-vote Yoshimitsu

[Law]

I'm heading to a wedding so I won't be here for most of the day (just today, Sunday). While we may not have had the ability to use night actions last night this is not a worthless day. We can still question people and try to see if anyone knows something they shouldnt. Try to be a little productive at least please.

[Law]

also
-vote Law


Please, inform me of your reasoning for that vote. I would love to hear it.

[Law]

-vote Yoshimitsu

Wow. Have you ever played Mafia before? Are you trying to get yourself lynched?

[Brady]

i'm above the law nigga

[Law]

i'm above the law nigga

With reasoning like that how could we not have a productive day! Sigh. I was hoping the players in this game wouldn't be as stupid as the ones in FMXII.

[Brady]

he thinks anything will be accomplished with like 2 people posting

ok

[Law]

he thinks anything will be accomplished with like 2 people posting

ok


I want to hear the reasoning behind your votes. Is there any even?

[Brady]

im mad

[Law]

im mad

So you are just going to troll. Awesome.

[Brady]

So you are just going to troll. Awesome.

lol

this is shitposting general until these asswrenches actually post something

slam dunke bang down town sh** da police cant get me $ money

[Gaunt]

yay we are stuck in the vault with a retard!

[Brady]

my votes are legit vote with me pls

[Brady]

actually

-vote Gaunt
-vote Brady

fight me

[Hayley]

-vote Brady

That vote'll remain until you're done being a fucktard.

[Hayley]

So if you read the rules Queen Luna says day 1 isn't a troll day even though we have fuck all to go on. I think she is trying to influence how we play the game, bad hosting. To start the discussion what are everyone's thoughts about the vault system?

Double post, but I missed this.

Seriously? You're going to bitch about it? I think it's really neat Luna had the gall to try a different system instead of doing the standard day system. We'll see if it pays now, won't we? I don't think Day 1 is a great benchmark as to how well this system will perform.

Besides, now we atleast have a good idea who is town inside of this vault, only one person is scum if I read the rules of the vault correctly. Just look for the scummiest person there is, like Bradley for example.

[Francine]

You're all not very smart here, aren't you? It looks loke the I'm the only one who can manage things here. Before I start putting my votes out, I would like to ask you a question. Which one of you is an ordinary citizen? Answer truthfully.

Just look at this list here. There is at least one citizen here. Don't be afraid to step up. I'm sure there won't be more than one citizen claimers.

[Hayley]

You're all not very smart here, aren't you? It looks loke the I'm the only one who can manage things here. Before I start putting my votes out, I would like to ask you a question. Which one of you is an ordinary citizen? Answer truthfully.

Just look at this list here. There is at least one citizen here. Don't be afraid to step up. I'm sure there won't be more than one citizen claimers.

What's YOUR role?

[Gaunt]

Seriously? You're going to bitch about it? I think it's really neat Luna had the gall to try a different system instead of doing the standard day system. We'll see if it pays now, won't we? I don't think Day 1 is a great benchmark as to how well this system will perform.

Besides, now we atleast have a good idea who is town inside of this vault, only one person is scum if I read the rules of the vault correctly. Just look for the scummiest person there is, like Bradley for example.

I'm not bitching but it is generally hard to get things done without night actions with the sc2 forum mafia player base. Players in this community simply do not know how to function without some sort of night action claim but I would hope we can get past that.

It is worth noting that since votes are being cast we have to send two people to roulette instead of just one so we have to cast our votes more wisely. It isn't a majority system either so if a few abstain then the people who vote unfortunately get all the power.

You are completely forgetting the presence of the random any's. We have one confirmed scum, one confirmed neutral and three confirmed town in the vault. There might be as many as 5 non town roles in the vault.

for now I am going to -vote Brady until he takes the game seriously

[Francine]

We are NOT asking for other roles yet. We are asking for citizen role here. Who is citizen here? Reveal yourself, you will not lose anything if you do.

[Brady]

wow ok
ok wow
ok
legit question
what could you possibly gain from some guy claiming citizen

[Yoshimitsu]

-vote Brady

A: Voting people with no reason
B: Voting me
C: Whining like a baby

Give a reason for your votes, and stop complaining that we have nothing to go on. Scumhunting is essential in these games, we can't always rely on power roles to give us our answers

[Brady]

implying i said anything about relying on power roles

nice voting with the hatewagon bUDDY

-vote Yoshimitsu

i still sacrifice myself to join the glorious roulette im a fuckin champ

[Ackbar]

-vote Brady
Even though I came 10 hours late I am seeing nothing being gained. Brady is just starting shit and we aren't accomplishing anything.
I will undo my vote if and only if he has a good reason for his actions. AKA not, " You mad, I am trying to find out ppls roles, and Just chaotic thinking."

[Ackbar]

-vote Brady
Even though I came 10 hours late I am seeing nothing being gained. Brady is just starting shit and we aren't accomplishing anything.
I will undo my vote if and only if he has a good reason for his actions. AKA not, " You mad, I am trying to find out ppls roles, and Just chaotic thinking."

Sorry for double post but I forgot to make my vote bold. -vote Brady

[Hayley]

-vote Brady

Forgot to bold.

[Yoshimitsu]

-vote Brady

bold was not happening today it seems.

Okay, I guess I'll start us off since everyone is so hesitant.

Instead of relying on power roles, lets try and deduct something.

First question: Out of everyone in the vault, besides Brady, who would you feel comfortable voting and why?

This is just my opinion, but I would say Hayley. She is very confrontational, from what I've seen, and isn't afraid to bitch someone out. I think this is a might be a mafia ploy, pretending to be cit, pretending to be power role.

Anyone else?

[Yoshimitsu]

implying i said anything about relying on power roles

nice voting with the hatewagon bUDDY

-vote Yoshimitsu

i still sacrifice myself to join the glorious roulette im a fuckin champ

My statement wasn't just directed at you, it was advice for everyone. Part 1 was the reason why I voted you

[Ackbar]

-vote Brady

bold was not happening today it seems.

Okay, I guess I'll start us off since everyone is so hesitant.

Instead of relying on power roles, lets try and deduct something.

First question: Out of everyone in the vault, besides Brady, who would you feel comfortable voting and why?

This is just my opinion, but I would say Hayley. She is very confrontational, from what I've seen, and isn't afraid to bitch someone out. I think this is a might be a mafia ploy, pretending to be cit, pretending to be power role.

Anyone else?

I don't think that her actions and attitudes are a ploy, its just Hayleys personality.

[Gaunt]

First question: Out of everyone in the vault, besides Brady, who would you feel comfortable voting and why?

This is just my opinion, but I would say Hayley. She is very confrontational, from what I've seen, and isn't afraid to bitch someone out. I think this is a might be a mafia ploy, pretending to be cit, pretending to be power role.

Anyone else?

I am a little bit suspcious of Hayley but not because she got mad when I made a joke about the no night actions but rather because she tried to distort the information.



Besides, now we atleast have a good idea who is town inside of this vault, only one person is scum if I read the rules of the vault correctly. Just look for the scummiest person there is, like Bradley for example.

She admits that she read the rules of the vault but tries to distort the game information. Like I said there are three random any roles which are a wildcard. While she could have just misread the rules making her stupid I am more inclined to give her credit and think she was trying to distort the rules for people who weren't paying as much attention to them. Simply saying "Just look for the scummiest person there is, like Bradley" is perfect way to survive yourself and get others lynched and kill the discussion that the town needs to scum hunt.

It is really suspicious to me to the point that I might be willing to vote Hayley later but right now it just doesn't feel like enough to go on. The problem is we have a lack of information which is why we should have more discussion.

[Hayley]

I am a little bit suspcious of Hayley but not because she got mad when I made a joke about the no night actions but rather because she tried to distort the information.




Seriously? You're going to bitch about it? I think it's really neat Luna had the gall to try a different system instead of doing the standard day system. We'll see if it pays now, won't we? I don't think Day 1 is a great benchmark as to how well this system will perform.

Besides, now we atleast have a good idea who is town inside of this vault, only one person is scum if I read the rules of the vault correctly. Just look for the scummiest person there is, like Bradley for example.


So if you read the rules Queen Luna says day 1 isn't a troll day even though we have fuck all to go on. I think she is trying to influence how we play the game, bad hosting. To start the discussion what are everyone's thoughts about the vault system?

Definitely sounds like I distorted information, twisted it, and misread your post as a joke. Definitely.

[Gaunt]

Hayley that breeze you're feeling is my point going right over your head

[Hayley]

Yep

[Ackbar]

The real question is what was everyone doing last night?

[Francine]

The Vault may be small, but I'll keep the vote tally anyway:

Yoshimitsu (1): Brady
Brady (4): Hayley, Gaunt, Yoshimitsu, Ackbar

I think that Brady does not care about his life anymore, he just want to play Russian Roulette with Yoshimitsu. That being said, we cannot nominate just Brady here. Yoshimitsu, are you willing to duel against Brady? If not, then we will nominate in red votes someone else.

[Francine]

Waiting for Steve to respond. If he will not appear, then he will be our first candidate for a "free" lynch.

[Gaunt]

Waiting for Steve to respond. If he will not appear, then he will be our first candidate for a "free" lynch.

If Steve doesn't talk I would rather pit him against Brady in the russian roulette so we can take out one of the non-contributors. Still plenty of time in the day though, there is the possibility he actually has a life.

[Francine]

15 hours isn't that much "plenty".

-vote Steve

Will unvote him soon in case if he makes decent appearance.

[Hayley]

-vote Steve

Stupid pleb.

[Hayley]

-vote Steve

[Ackbar]

Well I am finally awake at 7am EST, I will try to get on every 3 or so hours to keep updated seeing how I am on dial-up still. I will have some real internet by wednesday.

[Gaunt]

Ok we now have less than 12 hours, -vote steve my vote stands until he posts something useful

[Steve]

Lol i'm the one citizen that's why i'm not active almost suicided night 0. Ima use my clue tonight I'll post it here. earwigs

[Francine]

Wow, looks like the one who I wanted to see finally showed up.

-unvote Steve

Steve, are you the only citizen here? Or there will be another citizen claim today?

[Steve]

Hopefully i'm the only cit I'd rather not get lynched before I get to use my clue lol. I have school for the next 5 hours so don't expect anything from me. Hopefully there aren't 2 cits... Sorry for not posting been too busy for all this roleplay reading. Haven't read any other posts ITT will read when I get home.

[Gaunt]

Francine why are you so concerned with who claims citizen? Please reveal the logic behind this because right now it is just looking stupid and I don't see the point of the discussion.

I am reluctant to unvote Steve however, the nature of his post is "WAHH I'M A CITIZEN, I DON'T WANT TO PLAY THE FUCKING GAME BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A NIGHT ACTION." Right now the three people with votes are Steve, Yoshimitsu and Brady and at the moment I would rather have Steve and Brady in a roulette than Brady and Yoshimisu because Yoshimitsu actually contributes to the dialogue.

I see the upside to waiting to see what clue Steve gets and I am open to unvoting him in the future depending on how things go.

[Gaunt]

Questions for Francine:

What is the logic behind you wanting to know who the citizen is?
What do you think of Hayley?

Also I look forward to hearing from the Law, epic avatar is epic!

[Brady]

i already asked that

[Steve]

Gaunt the only confirmed role is citizen, I would suggest unvoting as you look awful scummy atm. There isn't even a counter claim.

[Steve]

-vote Gaunt I have lunch in 2 hours I'll check back then.

[Francine]

Questions for Francine:

What is the logic behind you wanting to know who the citizen is?
What do you think of Hayley?

Also I look forward to hearing from the Law, epic avatar is epic!

The logic is simple - to reduce the number of suspects. If another person will claim himself citizen, then people will probably vote that person together with Steve. At least knowing that Steve is "citizen" is better then knowing nothing.

As for Hayley, she implies that there is only one scum in town. Why she is saying that I don't know. She also missplelled Brady for "Bradley". Maybe there is another hidden scum role from "Hidden Any" lists? Could she be the one?

And there is also one neutral benigh role for sure. We don't know how that person will act, so keep in mind that there will be one benigh role among us - even after we leave the vault safely. Oh yeah, and it will be a shame if we allow Enclave member to leave this vault as well.

[Brady]

The logic is simple - to reduce the number of suspects. If another person will claim himself citizen, then people will probably vote that person together with Steve.
thx for telling "those people" that

[Law]

Brady sure is trying pretty hard to get lynched. I suspected him immediately of being a jester or ghost when he voted me and Yoshimitsu solely for the reason that we only had one post Day 0, and his continued unwillingness to defend himself only strengthens my opinion. It does however raise a question. IF he is a jester or ghost, do we want to deal with him now, or do we want to wait until Day 4 when we can take him out at night? The mechanics of this vault suck, because even if we manage to pinpoint one scum target, we only have a 50% chance of getting said target lynched. What I think we should do with him is that if we do not have a clear second lynch target we should have him play roulette against our primary target. If he loses (and if we are smart and only place a maximum of 4 votes on him) only one of us dies, which is essentially the same thing as if we placed someone who's alignment we were unsure of into the roulette game. The benefit is we get rid of a harmful aspect of the game before our vault opens. This is all only assuming that he is a jester or ghost, when there is the very real possibility he could be something even more harmful.

[Brady]

nah man im town

dont overthink it

[Gaunt]

Steve I will unvote you if you contribute to the conversation more than coming back to me with "NO U". I will unvote you if you actually start contributing to the conversation. If I was scum I would instantly unvote you in order to keep up appearances but I don't really care about appearances as much and more about encouraging a dialogue and scum hunting. I haven't made up my mind on the issue and really do we have better targets right now?

Also the problem with automatically eliminating citizens as suspects is that mafia could easily claim citizen while the confirmed citizen remains silent. Also if there are two citizen claims and they are both citizens because of this one person will think they are suspicious. Steve is playing the angle of ragequitting citizen well which would be a good tatic for a scum to bypass suspicion. Nothing is confirmed yet.

I suspect you have other motives to your request for a citizen claim, I am not disagreeing with the idea rather I am just inquiring about it.

[Gaunt]

Hello Law, since you were absent for most of the day I would like some insight from you into the day's events.

What do you think of Hayley?
What do you think of Me?

[Francine]

Ideally we need to pinpoint two scum targets - one mafia and one benigh neutral. I honestly think that Steve is a citizen, since he mentioned "clue". Wherether his future clues will be credible or not, we will see it only in the next day.

[Gaunt]

Ideally we need to pinpoint two scum targets - one mafia and one benigh neutral. I honestly think that Steve is a citizen, since he mentioned "clue". Wherether his future clues will be credible or not, we will see it only in the next day.

True, I am really curious about the Clue mechanic as well. If he isn't citizen it will be fun to see what he makes up.

-unvote steve
-vote Hayley

I would rather just vote Brady but this vaults mechanic's are messed up and in my mind Hayley is the scummiest out of anyone contributing.

[Steve]

Lol at gaunt defending his choice to vote citizen. That is my contribution to the discussion nominating you for roulette gaunt. Not a NO U. You are on my scum list.

[Steve]

If i'm not getting voted I don't really want to waste my clue lol. I will if you guys insist in it though...would rather use it later on :(

[Law]

Hello Law, since you were absent for most of the day I would like some insight from you into the day's events.

What do you think of Hayley?
What do you think of Me?


I'm not suspicious of Hayley.

I am suspicious of you.


Now answer me a question please. Why do you want to vote Steve into the roulette when the only confirmed role in our entire vault is the role he just claimed?

I also completely understand why Francine wanted to find the citizen in our vault, and if she hadn't asked for the citizen to claim I would have. Not only does having the citizen claim early prevent scum from counter claiming, it also provides us with a player that we can put into the roulette if we have no clear second lynch target.

[Ackbar]

I'm not suspicious of Hayley.
Brady sure is trying pretty hard to get lynched. I suspected him immediately of being a jester or ghost when he voted me and Yoshimitsu solely for the reason that we only had one post Day 0, and his continued unwillingness to defend himself only strengthens my opinion. It does however raise a question. IF he is a jester or ghost, do we want to deal with him now, or do we want to wait until Day 4 when we can take him out at night? The mechanics of this vault suck, because even if we manage to pinpoint one scum target, we only have a 50% chance of getting said target lynched. What I think we should do with him is that if we do not have a clear second lynch target we should have him play roulette against our primary target. If he loses (and if we are smart and only place a maximum of 4 votes on him) only one of us dies, which is essentially the same thing as if we placed someone who's alignment we were unsure of into the roulette game. The benefit is we get rid of a harmful aspect of the game before our vault opens. This is all only assuming that he is a jester or ghost, when there is the very real possibility he could be something even more harmful.

Brady could easily be a ghost, and by getting lynched so early on, would allow him to use his abilities that much sooner in the game. Now the thing is out of the 3 random any what is the worst thing we could encounter?

[Francine]

The worst thing is that hidden any could be another Enclave member. It is definitely worse then having one Enclave member and one Brotherhood member in vault. But we don't need seach for "random" any right now, we need to seach for a hidden Enclave member. Right now my primary suspicions are on Hayley.

-vote Hayley

[Steve]

Ackbar vote gaunt with us for red.
It's not a trap bro.
I'm the only one that's claiming citizen which is nice.
I don't like being challenged for a role I actually am useless as it may be.
I suppose I'll use my clue tonight as we can't really get any sort of lead any other day.
Also I'm most likely going to be eliminated being the confirmed citizen.
I might not though it will be a tough decision.
Anyone have any suggestions?
It could be a completely useless piece of information or an incredibly useful one. :unsure:

[Gaunt]

I'm not suspicious of Hayley.

I am suspicious of you.


Now answer me a question please. Why do you want to vote Steve into the roulette when the only confirmed role in our entire vault is the role he just claimed?

I also completely understand why Francine wanted to find the citizen in our vault, and if she hadn't asked for the citizen to claim I would have. Not only does having the citizen claim early prevent scum from counter claiming, it also provides us with a player that we can put into the roulette if we have no clear second lynch target.

You are suspicious of me and yet you just made the exact point I was going to make.

If Steve had said "Sorry I've been busy I'm a cit" then I would have unvoted him promptly. But he said he wasn't active because he is a citizen and he almost suicided night 0. We don't have a second lynch target as of yet so why not put someone in the roulette who would rather suicide than play as a citizen?

I decided to unvote him because his clue has the potential to give us information and because I am suspicious of Hayley for reasons I have said already.

[Steve]

The worst thing is that hidden any could be another Enclave member. It is definitely worse then having one Enclave member and one Brotherhood member in vault. But we don't need seach for "random" any right now, we need to seach for a hidden Enclave member. Right now my primary suspicions are on Hayley.

-vote Hayley
She didn't do anything, while Gaunt has managed to attract my suspicion.
Don't random vote. If it's not random would you mind telling us why you're suspicious of Hayley?

[Steve]

-vote Hayley
-vote Gaunt
I'll humor your suspicions guys.

[Steve]

Because I haven't used my second vote ^
and Brady is a potential jester

[Francine]

Didn't I told you already? Gaunt asked me about my thoughs of Hayley, and I answered to him. Why you suspect him and not Hayley, anyway?

[Francine]

Nevermind, I just saw that you voted then both.

[Steve]

Because he kept his vote on the only citizen to claim.
He could be neutral but I don't think he's NCR/town.
I guess I missed it but what did Hayley do?

[Gaunt]

cyan tally:
Brady (4): Hayley, Gaunt, Yoshimitsu, Ackbar
Hayley (1): steve

red tally:
yoshimitsu (1): Brady
steve (1): Hayley
gaunt (1): Steve
hayley (2): Gaunt, Francine

[Forum Mafia GM]

tally:
Brady (4): Hayley, Gaunt, Yoshimitsu, Ackbar
Hayley (3): steve, Gaunt, Francine
yoshimitsu (1): Brady
steve (1): Hayley
gaunt (1): Steve

All votes feed into an overall tally.

[Gaunt]

I want to hear more from Yoshimitsu and Ackbar

[Steve]

Because he kept his vote on the only citizen to claim.
He could be neutral but I don't think he's NCR/town.
I guess I missed it but what did Hayley do?
this

[Yoshimitsu]

Ah yes, things happened the exact way I wanted them too. I purposely put up Hayley's name (and I question I was sure no one would answer (which I was also right about)) to try and weed out scum voters looking for a train to start. I didn't expect Steve to vote Hayley and that boggles me, because I really do think he is a citizen, for now.

But now, I'm setting my sights onto Gaunt and Francine, the two people who jumped on Hayley as soon as I mentioned her name.

If only one of them were scum, then I'd put my money of Francine for a variety of reasons.

1. She appears to be helpful to the town by posting tallies, and defending people who, I think, are obviously town.

2. She isn't actually helpful to anyone, she hasn't actually called anyone out, and she hasn't started her own line of suspicion yet.

3. She was searching for the citizen. While this seems to be pro-town due to her explanation, it is far from. If she find the citizen, then she knows who each and every non-citizen is.

4. Quick jump. She jumped on the Hayley train right after with no explanation whatsoever for her vote besides saying that her primary suspicions are on Hayley.

thus -vote Francine

[Yoshimitsu]

Now the reason I don't think Gaunt is scum is for one very simple reason. He started the train on Hayley, which is not a safe lynch whatsoever, unlike the Steve lynch that Francine started before he showed up. Even I would have joined that lynch since not contributing is even worse than be scum (hence why I keep my vote on Brady).

I don't think scum has the balls to start a risky lynch that could cause people to question their motives on Day 1.

[Gaunt]

Nice gambit Yoshimitsu as Ackbar would say

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/krevster/trap.png

I thought something was fishy with your analysis of Hayley but I came to my own conclusions.

That being said Francine doesn't strike me as scum, though I agree she didn't properly explain why we should get a citizen claim. I think she is just holding back in a similar way to how you were holding back.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Well folks looks like y'all had a blast today with your fun 'n games! Roxy is here to wish you a good night with a very special tune that's close to my heart.

First though, I see on my security feed that you crazy fellers are starting another game of Russian Roulette! Is that Hayley and Brady? I guess it is, good luck guys!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc0xB3VOoF4