Day 7 - Of Horse and Dragon

[Forum Mafia GM]

With the looming threat of Count Dracula's taint spreading throughout the city like wildfire, none dared to stray further than the stoop of their lodging that night. What good it did was not quite uplifting to morale.

Aemon was found dead in his home, his entire foyer in disarray from signs of an attempt at fleeing, if not an outright struggle. Pages of manuscript lay scattered throughout the room, the draft from outside kicking them into a frenzy every so often as the guards sifted through the mess his house had been left in. On said manuscript, the insane ravings of a man who spoke of dragons lay scribbled, and those who took the time to read even a small portion of the writing found themselves no more illuminated than those who hadn't. Aemon himself was found lying facefirst in the open doorway of his bedroom, his neck adorned by two bite wounds, hand outstretched towards something yet never reaching. What he sought could never be determined, as try as the guards might in their search of his home, they found absolutely nothing of note about his personal belongings. It seemed he was but a simple Serf.

The other man who was killed did not die with such grace. Khal Drogo was found in the disaster zone that was once known as his home, his body savagely beaten, the broken remnants of furniture stained with his blood, apparently used as the cruel devices of his torture. Larger shards could be found inserted through limbs with inhuman strength, and when they examined him closer it was found that his tongue had been cut out, presumably to quieten his screams as the man was tortured gruesomely. As with a majority of the other bodies found in such a manner, his throat was torn open, but had been oddly wiped of blood. Searching the rest of the house, they soon realized that someone else had beat them to it. Every object that could possibly hide some private detail had been ransacked in seeming desperation, though whether it had occurred before or after Khal Drogo's demise was uncertain. However, more shattered furniture and broken windows suggested that whomever had realized this man was but a simple Serf was none too pleased to learn of it.

The stakes had risen even higher. Anxious and mistrusting glances were exchanged between those who remained. And then, another day began.

Khal Drogo's last will:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8coX8VkUKY8&feature=player_embedded


Aemon's last will:


"I -pray for the return of the dragons. The false king shall be purged with dragonfire."

Role List:


Richard The Flayer
Nosferatu Devout
Anya Nighthawk
Child of the Stars
Child of the Stars
Count Dracula (Cult Leader)
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Serf
Serf
Serf
Serf
Serf
Serf


Possible Random Roles:
Vampires(Nosferatu Devout/Child of the Stars): Trapper(Inteceptor), Illusionist(Disguiser), Bloodmage(Grave Robber), Seductress/Playboy(Consort), Butcher(Janitor), Diabolist(Framer), Larcenist(Consigliere)
Town: Sergeant (Sheriff), Spy (Investigator), Snoop (Detective), Carriage Driver (Bus Driver), Sentinel (Lookout), Apothecary (Doctor), Mortician (Coroner), Gaelor (Jailor), Schizophreniac (Veteran), Fiddler (Escort), Tinkerer (Gunsmith), Blacksmith (Armorsmith)
Cursed: Pupil (Student), Fool (Jester), Nemesis (Executioner), Necrophiliac (Amnesiac), Phantom (Ghost), Coward (Survivor)
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Graveyard:
Arya (Serf) - Found brutalized in her home, drained of blood. (Night 1)
Syrio (Nemesis) - Found slumped over the body of his deceased children, drained of blood. (Night 1)
Eddard (Butcher) - Found eviscerated and tortured in the Cathedral Square, tied to a table. (Night 2)
Ser Berristan (Sergeant) - Found dead in Cathedral Square, drained of blood. (Night 2)
Renly (Carriage Driver) - His head was found within his blood stained carriage, a bear trap chained to it's rear axle. (Night 3)
Theon (Serf) - Found dead outside his home, impaled with a multitude of sharpened stakes, his throat torn. (Night 3)
Jaime (Serf) - Found dead in an alley, twisted by black magic and cut to shreds. (Night 3)
Bronn (Larcenist) - Executed in the blessed fountain in front of Adelaide Cathedral. (Day 4)
Catelyn (Paladin) - Found in the street, dismembered by her own blade. (Night 4)
Yoren (Warlock) - Found dead in his home, shot in the back of the head. (Night 4)
Tyrion (Dr. Adolf von Helsing) - Found in the cellar of Yoren's home, his eyes removed, with a bear trap clasped around his ankle. (Night 4)
Jon (Phantom) - Presumed dead, his house inflicted by a terrible curse that will likely never lift. (Night 4)
Ser Gregor (Fool) - Sentenced to death, his final performance claiming his own life and that of the nearest guardsman. (Day 5)
Viserys (Bishop) - Cause of death unknown, though those present remarked he smelled strongly of garlic. (Night 5)
Ser Davos (Gaelor) - Found dead near Viserys, stabbed countless times, his face mutilated. (Night 5)
Ser Rodrik (Seductress) - Executed in Cathedral Square, her head lopped off by a silver sword. (Day 6)
Aemon (Serf) - Found dead in his home, drained of blood. (Night 6)
Khal Drogo (Serf) - Found dead in his home, tortured heavily, his throat torn open. (Night 6)
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The day will end at: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=St+Louis+Missouri+8%3A00+PM%2C+Thursday+May+17+ 2012.

You require 9 votes to lynch. Once a hammer vote has been cast, it cannot be undone.

[Sandor]

I got roleblocked last night.

[Tywin]

Aemon... his dragons cost him his life, apparently...

[Sandor]

Ser Rodrik (10) – Cersei, Daenerys, Sandor, Ser Jorah, Khal Drogo, Petyr, Robb, Aemon, Lord Varys, Joffrey
Sandor (4) – Oberyn, Ser Rodrik, Ser Illyn, Stannis

Yo Tywin y u never vote anybody? ;)

[Joffrey]

I wonder if the mafia teams know that the cult is their main enemy at the moment.

I will keep my findings to myself for now.

[Tywin]

I'm sorry, graduation ceremonies and final exams and all that shizzaz. English paper, whatnot.

[Joffrey]

So unless there's another escort claimer out there then Robb is not on the same team as Sandor, if Sandor is telling the truth.

[Lord Varys]

I was looking back over the threads last night, and Ser Loras has gone from high poster to total lurker. How come?

[Tywin]

I was looking back over the threads last night, and Ser Loras has gone from high poster to total lurker. How come?

Possible culting?

[Lord Varys]

Possible culting?Thats what I'm thinking.

[Sandor]

Well am i the only one who has problems to find our missing ghost?

[Joffrey]

Well am i the only one who has problems to find our missing ghost?

Am I the only one who wouldn't mind knowing who the ghost is? Seriously, the ghost is basically on our side.

[Sandor]

Well since nobody claimed to be jailed on Day 5 i assume jon was jailed and the witch forced him to execute him on N4. So the ghost has already won and is out of game. Because the jailor died in the night where he had to choose his target to possess.

Maybe somebody has notes on a witched claim on Day 5? What are the rules for modkilling for inactivity? Ser Loras should be already dead if there are modkills for inactivity i guess.

[Daenerys]

Literally nothing of interest occured to me.

[Daenerys]

I know, big shocker, isn't it?

[Sandor]

Well at least Robb wasn´t culted until yesterday. It´s the only possible solution for blocking me. I really hope he had armor and popped it yesterday and i seriously hope he got armor again last night.

[Joffrey]

Well since nobody claimed to be jailed on Day 5 i assume jon was jailed and the witch forced him to execute him on N4. So the ghost has already won and is out of game. Because the jailor died in the night where he had to choose his target to possess.

Maybe somebody has notes on a witched claim on Day 5? What are the rules for modkilling for inactivity? Ser Loras should be already dead if there are modkills for inactivity i guess.

You're an idiot. Gas = Jailor kill. Do you see any sign of Gas in Jon's death? No, he was killed by a coven because there was a trapper kill and another mafia kill.

[Tywin]

Well at least Robb wasn´t culted until yesterday. It´s the only possible solution for blocking me. I really hope he had armor and popped it yesterday and i seriously hope he got armor again last night.

What does this mean? Explain.

[Joffrey]

What does this mean? Explain.

Tywin's thoughts are my thoughts

[Tywin]

And of course Sandor disappears...

I almost feel like finishing that lynch from yesterday on him...

But we need to be rational about this

[Sandor]

"sigh" So where is the ghost then? He could only be Ser legolas then. Because he is the only one who changed his behaviour about 180 degree.

It´s easy i am a serif. a culted escort / consort would have blocked a remaining town power role or a mafia member who could be the one who kills at night.

Since the Godfathers cant kill right now a culted roleblocker would not block me because if i would be godfather i could not kill the cult leader at night.

If the last red mafia was culted they would know who the godfather is anyway same with the orange mafia team. This makes Robb town until last night for sure.

[Sandor]

And of course Sandor disappears...

I almost feel like finishing that lynch from yesterday on him...

But we need to be rational about this

Yeah Tywin indeed...

[Tywin]

That makes no sense... you are saying that if he was culted he would have blocked a PR, but he blocked a serf which means he is culted? WTF? Doesn't that mean that he is not culted?

I'm not saying anything about Robb, your logic is just stupid.

[Sandor]

Ofcouse it does make no sense for you because you are on another team which is not town. This logic only applies on town players.

Robb thought i am the cult leader so he blocked me. This makes him pretty much town aligned.

[Cersei]

Why did Aemon have to die? He was quite clearly a serf. Khal Drogo I wasn't so sure about.

Sandor may still be orange godfather. And the red godfather is the one who performed the reds' kill. After last day's lynch, he can.

[Tywin]

Ofcouse it does make no sense for you because you are on another team which is not town. This logic only applies on town players.

Robb thought i am the cult leader so he blocked me. This makes him pretty much town aligned.

Sorry, I thought that you meant that Robb was culted last night so it made no sense to me.

[Robb]

Well at least Robb wasn´t culted until yesterday. It´s the only possible solution for blocking me. I really hope he had armor and popped it yesterday and i seriously hope he got armor again last night.


"sigh" So where is the ghost then? He could only be Ser legolas then. Because he is the only one who changed his behaviour about 180 degree.

It´s easy i am a serif. a culted escort / consort would have blocked a remaining town power role or a mafia member who could be the one who kills at night.

Since the Godfathers cant kill right now a culted roleblocker would not block me because if i would be godfather i could not kill the cult leader at night.

If the last red mafia was culted they would know who the godfather is anyway same with the orange mafia team. This makes Robb town until last night for sure.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5763739

[Sandor]

Why did Aemon have to die? He was quite clearly a serf. Khal Drogo I wasn't so sure about.

Sandor may still be orange godfather. And the red godfather is the one who performed the reds' kill. After last day's lynch, he can.

Could oyu please explain why the red godfather can go now and kill people? There is still a red mafia in the roster. I thought the Godfather has to be the last person on the mafia team to could go out and kill people?

[Tywin]

Could oyu please explain why the red godfather can go now and kill people? There is still a red mafia in the roster. I thought the Godfather has to be the last person on the mafia team to could go out and kill people?

No, there only has to be 2 or less. He can kill at this point.

[Sandor]

Well basicly your own stupidity makes you town.

[Sandor]

Oh didn´t bother with reading the gf rolecard.

[Cersei]

I'd like to pressure Ser Ilyn, Tywin and Stannis to claim today. They are really big question marks/scum suspects in my book.


Oh didn´t bother with reading the gf rolecard.
WIFOM

[Cersei]

By the way, I'm quite certain that Joffrey is culted at this point. He is too valuable for the cult to find the armorsmith. I think I know who the armorsmith is, but I might be fooled.

[Sandor]

If i would be mafia i would have shot you Cersei and Sumi looong ago. You can count on that! :)

[Tywin]

We need to desperately reduce the KPN or scum significantly, otherwise we (town) won't survive to reach endgame. There are two options:

Finish off the red mafia

Hit the cult leader

Cersei, you should know what I am at this point. Seriously.

[Tywin]

What would you all estimate the cult to be at by this point? I would say about 6 strong, what do you guys think?

[Cersei]

I think there's 5 cultists. And I think you are one of them, possibly their leader.

[Tywin]

I think there's 5 cultists. And I think you are one of them, possibly their leader.

Explain why I am the cult leader.

[Sandor]

6 nights 1 cult leader = 7 - 1 dead cultist and one blocked culting through armor (cough cough) lets assume the cult leader tried to recruit the ghost, a gf or somebody who died at the same night. We roughly face 4 - 5 cultists.

[Cersei]

Explain why I am the cult leader.
There isn't much of an explanation, it's a guess based on gut feeling. Nobody except the cult knows for sure. But your complete lack of posts and votes in the past 2 days seems like what a cult leader might do. An attempt to avoid attention while everyone is placing blame on people other than yourself. And now that a critical mass is reached where the town no longer has a voting majority on its own, you show your face again.

Finishing off the red mafia is just about the stupidest thing we can do. We actually need the help of the godfathers to murder the cult at night, otherwise there is no chance. The mere suggestion of it as an option enforces my FoS on you.

One of the main reasons I didn't want to lynch Sandor yesterday is because I suspect him to be a godfather. His constant "town can't win if they lynch me, and it ruins my chances of winning as well" pretty much suggested that.

[Cersei]

6 nights 1 cult leader = 7 - 1 dead cultist and one blocked culting through armor (cough cough) lets assume the cult leader tried to recruit the ghost, a gf or somebody who died at the same night. We roughly face 4 - 5 cultists.

Sadly, kills happen after cult domination. So miscults may only have happened through the bishop, the witch, roleblocks, the jester, armor or night immunity (godfather). If Tywin is the cult leader then there are 4 cultists, because Robb blocked him.

[Tywin]

Many of your arguments against me could be used with other people. 'shrug'

Cult is steamrolling. I, for one, do not want to see the cult win. Ergo, cult must die.

Let's look at cult leader candidates so far: Tywin, Sandor, anyone else? I for one considered you as a possibility, Cersei, although I admit the probability is low. Melisandre? Possibly, but still seems cold. Anyone else?

[Sandor]

Like i said i was pretty much brain afk the whole game.

He is prolly cult bait. though

[Cersei]

Like i said i was pretty much brain afk the whole game.

He is prolly cult bait. though

Who is? Melisandre?

[Sandor]

Tywin. Why would he stop lurking now for his uber scummy posts? It looks more like they throw us their useless lurker serif recruits in front of our feet so we can lynch them instead of better targets if you ask me though.

He is still a good candidate though but it looks almost too easy if you ask me.

I would consider pressuring him. It´s almost impossible now to lynch somebody, without the help of the mafia or the cult now anyway.

[Sandor]

Is the ghost allowed to suicide after his killer died?

[Tywin]

There is another explanation...

Maybe I am looking at how this town is floundering, running at the whims of the cult. The cult leader lurks by the side, unknown to all, directing actions and lynching all of his possible enemies. The cult has at least 4 or 5 votes at this point. With the amount of lurkers in this game, lynches will almost certainly be influenced by the cult.

And why would they throw me as a "useless serf" recruit? Every recruit is useless, and considering that almost no attention was diverted to me before today, why would I reveal myself? The cult's votes will be crucial in make or break endgame situations. There are no "expendable" votes.

I tried to WIFOM PR by lurking like hell. I haven't been shot. Ok. This town is getting run by scum, and our only confirmed towns are Robb and the most likely culted Joffrey. This makes me feel so confident. I decided it was time to get out there and try to get this game for town, or at least get some scum before the end.

If I was really scum why would I just randomly start going uber active lol.

[Tywin]

There is another explanation...

Maybe I am looking at how this town is floundering, running at the whims of the cult. The cult leader lurks by the side, unknown to all, directing actions and lynching all of his possible enemies. The cult has at least 4 or 5 votes at this point. With the amount of lurkers in this game, lynches will almost certainly be influenced by the cult.

And why would they throw me as a "useless serf" recruit? Every recruit is VITAL, and considering that almost no attention was diverted to me before today, why would I reveal myself? The cult's votes will be crucial in make or break endgame situations. There are no "expendable" votes.

I tried to WIFOM PR by lurking like hell. I haven't been shot. Ok. This town is getting run by scum, and our only confirmed towns are Robb and the most likely culted Joffrey. This makes me feel so confident. I decided it was time to get out there and try to get this game for town, or at least get some scum before the end.

If I was really scum why would I just randomly start going uber active lol.

Fixed.

On another note, I see 8 ppl reading this thread, yet only me, Sandor, and Cersei are talking. Stupid cult lurkers.

[Sandor]

the dead are surely amused about all this derpery i guess.

[Cersei]

So you're claiming serf, Tywin?


I decided it was time to get out there and try to get this game for town, or at least get some scum before the end.
If you are town, maybe you should've considered coming out to help sooner...

[Sandor]

Only a brain surgeon could help here i am afraid. ;D

[Tywin]

So you're claiming serf, Tywin?


If you are town, maybe you should've considered coming out to help sooner...

I would help town more by taking a bullet. Hopefully the armorsmith is still unculted out there...

As it is, this is critical now. I was hoping a cult would be taken out last night, but with two more dead townies we need to lynch correctly today or we are screwed.

[Melisandre]

So you're claiming serf, Tywin?


If you are town, maybe you should've considered coming out to help sooner...

Your pressure is of great value. I believe Tywin has spoke more today than any other day and it has only just begun. He is not Citizen, Queen Regent. He is a liar.

-vote Tywin

[Tywin]

Melisandre, you might be a citizen but you are definitely not town in my opinion.

You are 90% culted at this point, in my opinion.

[Melisandre]

Melisandre, you might be a citizen but you are definitely not town in my opinion.

You are 90% culted at this point, in my opinion.

I am not culted and I am not a Citizen. Tell me, what did Khal Drogo think of your visit last night?

[Tywin]

Umm, I didn't visit Khal Drogo lol. What makes you think I did? That dialogue between us several days ago? I was genuinely suspicious of him.

You completely misread the situation, Melisandre.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Is the ghost allowed to suicide after his killer died?

How do you suicide when you are already dead?

[Lord Varys]

I don't get why people are acting so unwilling to believe my claim. I didn't have to do anything, but I decided to reveal a piece of information which could potentially help us. Despite what Oberyn said, I was at Gregor's throat quite a lot, not sheeping and, overall, I was quite a conservative choice for a cult. These are all things which can help with judging the personality of a cult leader and uncovering his identity. However, people immediately got suspicious, either because I was making sure that the facts for my failed conversion were correct, as my armour PM said nothing about cult resistance and the failed conversion PM didn’t say the cause of the failed conversion, or because I came clean with the facts instead of doing some sort of wifom.

As for all the force-role claiming fun, it’s quite obvious that it will just end with all the scum claiming serf while the armoursmith + other PR(Probably will be doctor) will claim. I’m not sure what you’re hoping for, but lynching the town PR’s under suspicion of being cult is a bad move, while just leaving the PR’s who haven’t claimed yet to get culted is also a long way to the best move. We should only really make people claim when they are a major lynch candidate.

[Tywin]

How do you suicide when you are already dead?

+1 Jack

On another note, I would really like to know what happened to Samwell and Loras. Have they just gotten tired of the game?

[Sandor]

Ser Loras abandons games a lot lately and Samwell is special both are probably serifs.

We had on Day 2. 3 Roleblocks, Ser Loras, Melisandre and Oberyn claimed to be roleblocked. So we are still missing a roleblocker. Probably on the orange team. Or somebody lied.

Oh yeah i have reread the ghost role card. All the ghost has to assure is the death of his killer. The guy he possesses has not to die. How boring.

[Tywin]

Wait a second, didn't Melisandre say she was roleblocked night 3 or something as well?

Now that I think about it, Melisandre seems to be the most likely liar. She says she is not a citizen. Then what is she? I guess she's claiming Armorsmith/missing town PR. You might as well just tell us what you are, if you are gonna claim PR anyway.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Ser Loras abandons games a lot lately and Samwell is special both are probably serifs.

We had on Day 2. 3 Roleblocks, Ser Loras, Melisandre and Oberyn claimed to be roleblocked. So we are still missing a roleblocker. Probably on the orange team. Or somebody lied.

Oh yeah i have reread the ghost role card. All the ghost has to assure is the death of his killer. The guy he possesses has not to die. How boring.

Just to clarify, the Phantom's objective is to ensure that his killer loses the game, i.e. his faction loses.

[Tywin]

Just to clarify, the Phantom's objective is to ensure that his killer loses the game, i.e. his faction loses.

If that wasn't obvious... lmao

Melisandre, I demand an answer. What are you? You've also claimed roleblocked on n5 or something. Make up your mind, when were you roleblocked.

[Cersei]

I don't get why people are acting so unwilling to believe my claim. I didn't have to do anything, but I decided to reveal a piece of information which could potentially help us. Despite what Oberyn said, I was at Gregor's throat quite a lot, not sheeping and, overall, I was quite a conservative choice for a cult. These are all things which can help with judging the personality of a cult leader and uncovering his identity. However, people immediately got suspicious, either because I was making sure that the facts for my failed conversion were correct, as my armour PM said nothing about cult resistance and the failed conversion PM didn’t say the cause of the failed conversion, or because I came clean with the facts instead of doing some sort of wifom.

As for all the force-role claiming fun, it’s quite obvious that it will just end with all the scum claiming serf while the armoursmith + other PR(Probably will be doctor) will claim. I’m not sure what you’re hoping for, but lynching the town PR’s under suspicion of being cult is a bad move, while just leaving the PR’s who haven’t claimed yet to get culted is also a long way to the best move. We should only really make people claim when they are a major lynch candidate.

You weren't believed at first because you were the first and only claimer that an armorsmith existed on like day 4 or so. Since then, more people have reported to have received armor.

I don't think there is a doctor. We have an armorsmith and we had a bus driver. Those were our protective roles. I'm of the opinion that almost everyone who hasn't claimed yet is a PR or scum. We won't be changing the pool of players which the cult is recruiting from pressuring and/or trying to get roleclaims.

[Cersei]

If that wasn't obvious... lmao

Melisandre, I demand an answer. What are you? You've also claimed roleblocked on n5 or something. Make up your mind, when were you roleblocked.

...

Are you pretending not to have read day 6 or something?

[Lord Varys]

Why is the ghost thing so hard to understand? Jon didn't die to jailor. He died to a mafia. There was a lynch D4, and jailor used special ability N5. Ghost probably isn't revealing himself because his goal is to make sure only that his killers lose. Town has been crumbling, so he is probably trying for a cult victory.

[Tywin]

...

Are you pretending not to have read day 6 or something?

Maybe I just forgot ok. I was busy!

Did she claim something? Armorsmith? Maybe she's the culted Doctor that all of the cultists are going on about...

[Sandor]

Melisandre saw you visiting khal drogo tonight. So she claims lookout or trapper who trapped you but you survived. this would also explain why you are suddenly that active though.

Does the trapper get the name of the target she traps?

[Tywin]

Umm... No. I am a citizen and I definitely did not visit Khal Drogo.

She's just a little liar, but I don't think she's the cult leader after that stunt. She's just a cultist, and not our priority.

[Sandor]

Why is the ghost thing so hard to understand? Jon didn't die to jailor. He died to a mafia. There was a lynch D4, and jailor used special ability N5. Ghost probably isn't revealing himself because his goal is to make sure only that his killers lose. Town has been crumbling, so he is probably trying for a cult victory.

Read the death description of jon. A mafia kill is missing right but this does not mean that the mafia killed him. The jailor was a major douche he didnt even told us who he jailed. What would you do if you are the witch? you would force jailors to random execute people because you saw he was not any good so he would prolly jail town people instead of scum.

[Cersei]

Melisandre saw you visiting khal drogo tonight. So she claims lookout or trapper who trapped you but you survived. this would also explain why you are suddenly that active though.

Does the trapper get the name of the target she traps?

This makes no sense at all. The trapper's trap doesn't kill its target. It's secondary visitors to a trapped player's home who get to see a message. If Melisandre saw that message, Tywin is the trapper and someone night immune visited the trapped player.

[Tywin]

Why are you guys talking about ghost win conditions? o.0 Does it really matter? The ghost has to make the faction that killed him lose. End of story. The ghost can make that happen whether town or mafia killed him by making cult win. Therefore, the ghost is pro-cult.

Melisandre is not claiming anything. She is alluding to an argument I had with Khal Drogo several days ago. I'm interested to see what she actually claims, although she has probably gone afk.

[Oberyn]

I can confirm that the GMs told the truth about the Citizens rolecard. Praying does nothing. Looks like the GFs are not willing to coordinate an attack.

The good news is that the GFs seem to be looking for the Cult Leader anyways, killing 2 other citizens that looked scummy. Bad news is that none of them were culted and none of them help us determine Sandors role.

Sandor, your reasoning today is total BS. There is no way to know if Robb is town or not since the GF can control consort actions. Red GF is the one attacking. Stupid question about the ghost being able to suicide. You are either the Cult Leader, the ghost today trying to get lynched or the most irritating scummy looking citizen ever.



We had on Day 2. 3 Roleblocks, Ser Loras, Melisandre and Oberyn claimed to be roleblocked. So we are still missing a roleblocker. Probably on the orange team. Or somebody lied.


^That is a valid point that needs to be addressed. Neither Robb nor Rodrik claimed to have blocked Melisandre. And people getting armor while she was blocked clears her from being the armorsmith. Melisandre is most likely a culted PR.

[Tywin]

I can confirm that the GMs told the truth about the Citizens rolecard. Praying does nothing. Looks like the GFs are not willing to coordinate an attack.

The good news is that the GFs seem to be looking for the Cult Leader anyways, killing 2 other citizens that looked scummy. Bad news is that none of them were culted and none of them help us determine Sandors role.

Sandor, your reasoning today is total BS. There is no way to know if Robb is town or not since the GF can control consort actions. Red GF is the one attacking. Stupid question about the ghost being able to suicide. You are either the Cult Leader, the ghost today trying to get lynched or the most irritating scummy looking citizen ever.



^That is a valid point that needs to be addressed. Neither Robb nor Rodrik claimed to have blocked Melisandre. And people getting armor while she was blocked clears her from being the armorsmith. Melisandre is most likely a culted PR.

Or she was lying about being roleblocked. The way I see it, she is either CL or a cultist trying to draw attention away from the real CL without too much risk.

[Melisandre]

We had on Day 2. 3 Roleblocks, Ser Loras, Melisandre and Oberyn claimed to be roleblocked. So we are still missing a roleblocker. Probably on the orange team. Or somebody lied.


I lied. I was not role-blocked Night One.

I was jailed on Night Three (hence why I did not correct Robb when he said I was role-blocked that night. No need to correct possible scum).

I was role-blocked on Night Five.

I am Snoop (Detective). I followed Tywin last night who visited Khal Drogo. So, I've found a mafia who was sent to kill. Notice how he's heavily pressuring me: he knows he's been caught.

N1: Followed Petyr. No action.
N2: Followed Joffrey. Visited Ser Davos.
N3: Jailed by Ser Davos (exchanged notes).
N4: Followed Viserys. Visited Oberyn.
N5: Role-blocked.
N6: Followed Tywin. Visited Khal Drogo.

[Tywin]

I lied. I was not role-blocked Night One.

I was jailed on Night Three (hence why I did not correct Robb when he said I was role-blocked that night. No need to correct possible scum).

I was role-blocked on Night Five.

I am Snoop (Detective). I followed Tywin last night who visited Khal Drogo. So, I've found a mafia who was sent to kill. Notice how he's heavily pressuring me: he knows he's been caught.

N1: Followed Petyr. No action.
N2: Followed Joffrey. Visited Ser Davos.
N3: Jailed by Ser Davos (exchanged notes).
N4: Followed Viserys. Visited Oberyn.
N5: Role-blocked.
N6: Followed Tywin. Visited Khal Drogo.

You are scum. I did not visit Khal Drogo. I don't know what you trying to accomplish by lying about me, this just reinforces my opinion that you are culted.

[Melisandre]

The way I see it, she is either CL or a cultist trying to draw attention away from the real CL without too much risk.

Wrong. The only way for town to win this game is to lynch the mafia to decrease KPN, while the mafia must shoot the Cult or the Cult will win. Even if we eliminate merely one Mafia faction, the other must kill the Cult (especially the Godfather) or risk being destroyed.

I would not claim if I did not have protection.

[Melisandre]

You are scum. I did not visit Khal Drogo. I don't know what you trying to accomplish by lying about me, this just reinforces my opinion that you are culted.

I am not lying about you. Both Cersei and Sandor have noted your increased presence, your backtracking, your sudden desire to help Town to win after realizing how badly they are doing (why not help and join day chat earlier?).

[Tywin]

You made the same retarded assumption that I made earlier. It is in the town's advantage to INCREASE KPN, to increase chance of hitting the cult leader. Besides, even if I was a mafia killing me wouldn't reduce the kill per nights at all, each mafia faction has two members alive.

I don't know what you are playing at. Cult gambit?

[Oberyn]

Then why did you lie d2 about being roleblocked n1?

It's awful convienient that the jailor and Viserys are dead and can't confirm. And @#$@^! Irritating that they didn't say anything in their last will.

[Sandor]

This makes no sense at all. The trapper's trap doesn't kill its target. It's secondary visitors to a trapped player's home who get to see a message. If Melisandre saw that message, Tywin is the trapper and someone night immune visited the trapped player.

Ok let me try it to explain. TRAP POSITIONED AT KHAL DROGO. TRAPS Tywin. Tywin does not die so he is either GF or Cult leader with autovest or doc healed.

U UNDERSTAND NOW?

So does the trapper get the NAME OF THE PLAYER who gets attacked(-1) through the ability in a pm?


All night actions please Melisandre you sound like a bad fake.

[Oberyn]

All night actions please Melisandre you sound like a bad fake.

Are you even reading her posts?

[Melisandre]

Ok let me try it to explain. TRAP POSITIONED AT KHAL DROGO. TRAPS Tywin. Tywin does not die so he is either GF or Cult leader with autovest or doc healed.

U UNDERSTAND NOW?

So does the trapper get the NAME OF THE PLAYER who gets attacked(-1) through the ability in a pm?


All night actions please Melisandre you sound like a bad fake.

I gave you all of my night actions.

You can even check Day 3 (after I knew Joffrey visited Ser Davos). I hinted as much during that day that I knew Joffrey visited him.

[Melisandre]

Then why did you lie d2 about being roleblocked n1?

I had seen someone pull a gambit in a previous FM where they fake-claimed role-blocked. I attempted to see if I could manage the same feat to trap a player into fake-claiming role-blocked since I also did (making a third role block claim in a future day). Unfortunately, nothing came of it.


It's awful convienient that the jailor and Viserys are dead and can't confirm. And @#$@^! Irritating that they didn't say anything in their last will.

That is not my fault whatsoever. You'd think players with such important roles would include night actions in their last wills.

[Tywin]

I am going to sleep.

I honestly don't care if I get lynched, if the cult leader doesn't die after tonight the game is over regardless of who is lynched/killed.

I will return in approximately 10 hours to answer questions and field accusations and queries.

[Stannis]

Question to the town: Did Viserys ever reveal who he visited ever?

[Oberyn]

@ Melisandre, based on the graveyard descriptions. What faction do you believe killed Khal Drogo?

[Petyr]

I'm kind of disappointed no one killed me yesterday, I thought you assholes were targeting cult members. What does a serf have to do to take a bullet around here?

On the Melisandre vs Tywin debate, I'm inclined to believe that Melisandre is a detective since she hinted a few days ago that I could be a possible godfather. Doesn't make her not cult though.

vote Tywin

Until something better comes along. Still got my eye on Stannis and Daenerys.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Melisandre saw you visiting khal drogo tonight. So she claims lookout or trapper who trapped you but you survived. this would also explain why you are suddenly that active though.

Does the trapper get the name of the target she traps?

I'm going to assume you mean of the person they attempt to kill. The answer is no.

[Melisandre]

@ Melisandre, based on the graveyard descriptions. What faction do you believe killed Khal Drogo?

I have no idea which mafia faction, as the Godfather can send himself to do the killing in the Red Mafia faction (since they lost two members already), while the Orange Mafia would have to give up a night action since there is no Mafioso in this setup (as someone reminded me yesterday). However, it would be of great benefit to us if Tywin flipped Red Mafia, since we will be close to wiping out that entire faction. There will still be two kills tonight, and if one of them can wipe out Dracula, Town has a chance at this game.

[Oberyn]

Since she is taking so long to answer, I'll answer for her: The faction who killed Khal Drogo was the same faction that killed Eddard!

Guess who can't be detected? The one who killed Khal Drogo. Melisandre is Culted and a liar! She is deflecting the pressure off Sandor.

[Stannis]

Since she is taking so long to answer, I'll answer for her: The faction who killed Khal Drogo was the same faction that killed Eddard!

Guess who can't be detected? The one who killed Khal Drogo. Melisandre is Culted and a liar! She is deflecting the pressure off Sandor.

She's telling the truth about Viserys. Which means she really is a detective. Whether she's cult or not, I haven't decided. Which means she could very well be the cult leader

[Sandor]

Yeah thats why i jump her Mr Orange godfather. We still miss like 2 mafia roles. We assume there is another consigniere on the orange team and i guess they have a framer as well who does the night kills. If she is right. Ty very much. I don´t have forgotten which scummy people voted for me.
Stannis = scum, Ser Illias chain lurker scum and of course you the most obvious try hard wannabe cit ever oh and of course Sir Rodric. Now i wonder where the rest of the red mafia team was voting for...

[Stannis]

Yeah thats why i jump her Mr Orange godfather. We still miss like 2 mafia roles. We assume there is another consigniere on the orange team and i guess they have a framer as well who does the night kills. If she is right. Ty very much. I don´t have forgotten which scummy people voted for me.
Stannis = scum, Ser Illias chain lurker scum and of course you the most obvious try hard wannabe cit ever oh and of course Sir Rodric. Now i wonder where the rest of the red mafia team was voting for...

I'm actually not scum, I can roleclaim if you want, but I don't have a lot of useful information

[Sandor]

You have to decide on your own if you should claim or not. I don´t know your role nor if your information is useful or not Gringo.

[Melisandre]

Since she is taking so long to answer, I'll answer for her: The faction who killed Khal Drogo was the same faction that killed Eddard!

Guess who can't be detected? The one who killed Khal Drogo. Melisandre is Culted and a liar! She is deflecting the pressure off Sandor.

What are you, his Godfather? Why are you defending Tywin so much? And now that I look at it, you're correct. The Godfather cannot be detected, which means Tywin cannot be the GF of either team. So he's a lackey for the Orange Mafia because there's no way the Reds would not use their GF to kill since he's undetectable.

And no, I am not culted. I am merely giving the information I know: I finally learned a scum role in this game and I'm letting everyone know about it.

[Oberyn]

I AM Anya Nighthawk! Hear me ROAR!

My mafia has been infiltrated by the cult. I have no chance of keeping my cover for the rest of the game. Once a cult member dies, I expect my entire team to be exposed. However, I'll be damned if I'm gonna let the Cult get another victory. I'm gonna take the cult down with me.

I can tell you that Red Mafia killed Khal Drogo. Melisandre is lying and fell into my trap.


Now, Town, it's up to you: you can try lynching me and my team, it will take you 3 days to kill us all, but by doing so Cult automatically wins by majority. The only chance you have is if we work together and kill the cult leader. Depending on how many die to cult suicide will determine who has a chance of winning this game.

I can tell you that I know who the Armorsmith is but I have decided to let him live since I do not believe that he is culted.

I can guaranty you that Melisandre is a culted PR and not the Cult Leader. My Interceptor has taken a shot at someone who survived a visit on my other mafia, I'm guessing that this person was the cult leader, meaning that the cult leader NO longer has his auto vest.

I'm willing to work for you town. Name a target for me to shoot tonight if Sandor is not the Cult Leader. I will do as you ask. Red Mafia should target other Cit Claims to eliminate other possibilities.

[Sandor]

"sigh" Oh really? Whats the other role your team has?

[Stannis]

I might as well claim now.

I am the Coroner

Oberyn, if you are really Anya, then you know I'm telling the truth

Night 1+2: I didn't check anyone, grave robber cant steal from a serf or nemesis so I said fuck it.
Night 3: I checked Eddard. He visisted Syrio and Ser Barriston, meaning he was the one to perform the kills
Night 4: I checked Bronn. Bronn visited Ser Rodrik N1, Eddard N2, and Ser Gregor N3.
Night 5: I was forced to check Renly, who already revealed everything in his last will. It is all the same.
Night 6: I checked Viserys. His night targets were: N1 Khal Drogo, N2 Yoren, N3 Joffrey, and N4 Oberyn.

[Sandor]

Abilities:
You may -exhumea corpse to learn of its role, last will, and previous night action targets. Your proper funeral will send their soul off to the Lord, preventing spiritual enslavement forever.
You may send a last will to me at any time by typing in the body -write "message"

"cough cough" Jaime "cough cough".

[Stannis]

Abilities:
You may -exhumea corpse to learn of its role, last will, and previous night action targets. Your proper funeral will send their soul off to the Lord, preventing spiritual enslavement forever.
You may send a last will to me at any time by typing in the body -write "message"

"cough cough" Jaime "cough cough".

ummm what?

[Sandor]

Why would Bronn (red) visit Sir Rodric (red) investigate his own teammate?

[Sandor]

If i read the role card right you could have unculted jaime.

[Forum Mafia GM]

If i read the role card right you could have unculted jaime.
Where to begin with this post...
No
No
No
No
No


For humans, blood is most aptly described as life. The humans are correct: blood is life, but only the privileged few know to what extent: it is the true vessel of the soul. As a sanguine ascendant, you dominate men beyond death by binding their blood and soul to your own plague. As their spiritual overlord, their knowledge and abilities are now yours to command.

[Oberyn]

I was expecting that Coronor claim sooner or later... with only 2 cleans, I wanted you out of the picture before using them up.
I can confirm that Eddard did do the kills.


Anya Nighthawk (GF) - Oberyn = ME!
Trapper (shall remain nameless)
Random mafia (shall remain nameless)

Richard The Flayer (shall remain nameless)
Nosferatu Devout (shall remain nameless)

Count Dracula (Cult Leader)

Armor Smith (shall remain nameless and under my protection)
Random Town Investigator = Joffrey
Random Town Coroner = Stannis
Random Town Melisandre = Culted unknown PR

Serfs



Sandors stupidity keeps increasing and increasing, thats why I want to lynch him first. Who is with me?

[Oberyn]

Why would Bronn (red) visit Sir Rodric (red) investigate his own teammate?

Because Bronn told the truth and was witched.. how do you think Yoren and Bronn became buddy buddies?

[Melisandre]

I AM Anya Nighthawk! Hear me ROAR!

My mafia has been infiltrated by the cult. I have no chance of keeping my cover for the rest of the game. Once a cult member dies, I expect my entire team to be exposed. However, I'll be damned if I'm gonna let the Cult get another victory. I'm gonna take the cult down with me.

I can tell you that Red Mafia killed Khal Drogo. Melisandre is lying and fell into my trap.


Now, Town, it's up to you: you can try lynching me and my team, it will take you 3 days to kill us all, but by doing so Cult automatically wins by majority. The only chance you have is if we work together and kill the cult leader. Depending on how many die to cult suicide will determine who has a chance of winning this game.

I can tell you that I know who the Armorsmith is but I have decided to let him live since I do not believe that he is culted.

I can guaranty you that Melisandre is a culted PR and not the Cult Leader. My Interceptor has taken a shot at someone who survived a visit on my other mafia, I'm guessing that this person was the cult leader, meaning that the cult leader NO longer has his auto vest.

I'm willing to work for you town. Name a target for me to shoot tonight if Sandor is not the Cult Leader. I will do as you ask. Red Mafia should target other Cit Claims to eliminate other possibilities.

Jokes on you, my friend. I did not even investigate Tywin last night. I investigated Khal Drogo. Looks like a little bit of pressure works, don't you think?

[Sandor]

Lol am i claiming Godmother in the open or is that you?
You just contradict yourself if you try to lynch me. I thought you want to lynch the cult leader?
I was roleblocked Robb can confirm it. How could i possibly culted your troll ally last night?

Also Stannis Coroner claim has some huge holes.

Maybe you should have stayed at counting the post count of everybody per day. That was clearly the best you did this game :P

[Melisandre]

So, the question becomes: do we attempt to lynch off the Orange mafia or strictly focus on Dracula?

In which case, I suggest pressuring those who have not yet claimed: Janos, Ser Loras, Ser Ilyn, Ser Jorah?

[Oberyn]

Jokes on you, my friend. I did not even investigate Tywin last night. I investigated Khal Drogo. Looks like a little bit of pressure works, don't you think?

So you don't deny that you diverted attention away from Sandor trying to get another lynch off based on nothing? You're pathetic.

Robb was already culted last night. And I forced him onto you.
I doubt that you were roleblocked yesterday when Rodriks action was randomized. I'm counting on another cult member getting the block and code messaging you so you could claim it. Namely Melisandres cryptic posts right before you finally claimed.

[Sandor]

I miss an Armorsmith claim though.

[Oberyn]

Lynch me and Cult gains control over my mafias actions. Until Cult Leader dies, I'll be using everything against the cult to flush him out.

[Oberyn]

I'll be going to bed now. Be back tomorrow. If you lynch Sandor before I get back, don't forget to name me a target so Red doesn't overlap if by the slim chance Sandor is not the Cult Leader.

[Sandor]

I wasn´t even in the spotlight. It´s not my problem that you have a hard on for me. I am sry for calling you all game out as the Orange godfather i can understand that this ate away at your ego. But you are totally biased and your outing was just something most of us suspected anyway.

Sometimes it´s a legit strategy to derp a bit around to find the real scum.

[Melisandre]

So you don't deny that you diverted attention away from Sandor trying to get another lynch off based on nothing? You're pathetic.

Robb was already culted last night. And I forced him onto you.
I doubt that you were roleblocked yesterday when Rodriks action was randomized. I'm counting on another cult member getting the block and code messaging you so you could claim it. Namely Melisandres cryptic posts right before you finally claimed.

Hmm...so not only have you given up your entire mafia for the sole reason that I fake-claimed investigating Tywin (who was quite obviously scum by his low-key play and his sudden disapperance the past few days), but you still believe I am Culted and it appears you believe Sandor is involved with me. This is very interesting, indeed.

I will be overjoyed to see your reaction when you discover that I was telling the truth about the role block. Are you saying Robb did not visit me at all? And that Ser Rodrik's Jester vote caused him to randomly role block me? This will be quite an amusing tale.

[Joffrey]

Cersei is culted as well. Don't ask me how I know this. Just trust me.

[Sandor]

Meanwhile in Skype

[1:00:57] Jofferyjestigator: Cult me Cult me Cult me!
[1:01:01] Cersei: I can´t cult you silly you are too scummy. :[
[1:01:02] Joffreyj: Aww man :[
[1:10:23] Joffrey: Maybe tomorrow? :3
[1:15:14] Cersei: Bitch please...

[Samwell]

Hey guys just got back I think we need to make the right lynch today.
By the look on that role list it is not going well I also think alot of those Town Roles are culted.
I say we kill off red mafia first. We also need to get Cult Leader.

[Ser Jorah]

After reading today:

Melisandre makes a really, really poor PR claim. Backtracks desperately. I think she wanted to take up the PR slot in the roles list early so she wouldn't be in with all the possible CL suspects. However, I just typed that sentence thinking there were only two or three PRs left, turns out there's four, so I guess she might be telling the truth (just a terrible claim though lol).

Oberyn - I can believe that he is the Orange GF. I can also believe that he is trying to pull off a pretty big gambit, but that's pure speculation right now. I think I know who he is and I've been on the receiving end of his gambits in the past... If he IS the Orange GF, then he's banking on a lot of town players suiciding after the Cult Leader dies.

If Robb was culted, I'm not surprised. I don't think he would have been culted before last night, but I heavily suspected him to be culted last night after that claim. This is also why I don't believe Cersei is culted, and I don't know why Joffrey is so sure?

Stannis' claim, well, rather like Melisandre's I wouldn't have believed it if we weren't missing power role claims. I think a Coroner makes sense in the setup though, so woooooo meta-guesswork! :D

As much as I suspect Sandor, I'm willing to bet that his actions have less to do with him being Cult Leader and more to do with being impatient and wanting to play Diablo 3 ^^

Fortunately nothing happened to me last night because I decided not to use my armour - not with PR claims like Robb out there. Now Diablo 3 is installing in the background so I'd better head off and hunt some daemons!

But not before I try to hunt some here first. I struggled to remember who was still in the game so here's a list:

Cersei
Daenerys
Petyr
Ser Jorah
Joffrey
Sandor
Robb
Lord Varys
Oberyn
Samwell
Tywin
Janos
Melisandre
Stannis
Ser Loras
Ser Ilyn

Ser Loras, Ser Ilyn and Tywin are certainly quite suspicious right now, but Petyr I see you too ^^ Blending in, you naughty little Dracula.

Also the 'I was lurking because I wanted to fake being a power role and take a bullet' is certainly the best way a Citizen can contribute to the game...

[Sandor]

whoever can summarize Petyrs behaviour with quotings and logical analysing why he is the cult leader and gets him lynched will score MVP.

I am too lazy. Though =p

[Robb]

Hey guys just got back I think we need to make the right lynch today.
By the look on that role list it is not going well I also think alot of those Town Roles are culted.
I say we kill off red mafia first. We also need to get Cult Leader.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5764508

[Joffrey]

Even thought I told you not to ask me how I know, I'll explain why I know that Cersei is culted.

Here are a couple of things that allow me this knowledge: I can read and I am not culted.

I can only assume that the cult is wanting either mafia to kill me at night, in an attempt to take strength from the cult, or that I'll be lynched, for the same reason. It's the only explanation for why I haven't been culted.

So when I see a post like this:

By the way, I'm quite certain that Joffrey is culted at this point. He is too valuable for the cult to find the armorsmith. I think I know who the armorsmith is, but I might be fooled.

I can't help thinking that only scum deal with certainties and that this only helps the explanation for why I'm not culted.

That's why I think that Cersei is cult.

[Tywin]

Cult leader candidates: Cersei, Sandor, Melisandre (doubtful), Illyn, Petyr, Daenerys, Jorah

[Tywin]

Wait a sec Melisandre, you said you visited Khal last night. What are you, if not a detective?

[Melisandre]

Wait a sec Melisandre, you said you visited Khal last night. What are you, if not a detective?

First of all, I do not answer to you, scum. Your Godfather has already given you up by defending you, along with Robb.

Second, are you completely incapable of reading my posts?

My candidates for red mafia/Dracula: Janos (received armor), Lord Varys (again, armor claim), Ser Jorah (lol at you didn't use your armor last night. Nice try), Ser Ilyn (is he even alive?), and Ser Loras (disappeared several takes ago. Returned to his coffin?).

[Tywin]

Ok. Claim that you are a PR and then don't reveal what you are. Good job.

Terrible gambit, by the way. I'm not sure what Oberyn's playing at. In any case you are retarded. You want to obliterate the mafia? That will have to be done eventually, but destroying mafia at this point benefits who?

...The cult. Dracula can only be killed by the mafias. If Oberyn is to be trusted, Dracula's vest is gone. Town CANNOT lynch Dracula at this point without a miracle. You are in the cult. I may or may not be scum, but that has no bearing on whether or not you are cult. You ARE in the cult. Making such a ridiculous claim gambit at this point in the game to accomplish what? Draw out the mafia? Again, who benefits from getting the mafia into the open?

Again, the cult. You are a cult, and your reluctance to reveal your role despite claiming a power role anyway only cements that fact in my mind. You have played completely pro-cult throughout this game, with that weird roleblock claim that really didn't do anything at all, to your style of play.

"I do not answer to you, scum." You might think I'm scum, but I'm sure the ENTIRE town (except your cultists friends of course) is very interested as to what you are.

[Tywin]

Now that I think about it...

At first I thought revealing mafia would have some (albeit negligible) benefits for the town. But those don't even exist.

Looking for more mafia to cult, Melisandre? Good luck. Too bad you only drew out the godmother.

We will never find the cult leader at this rate. Stupid lurking cult.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Richard The Flayer
Nosferatu Devout

Anya Nighthawk
Child of the Stars
Child of the Stars

I'd just like to point out that for about 30 seconds at the beginning of day the role list reflected that there were 3 Nosferatu and 2 Children of the Night left alive. But that is actually the opposite, so I thought I'd point that out just in case someone fell victim to that 30 second window.

[Cersei]

vote Tywin

It really looks like he's orange mafia now and he's not even denying it. I actually believe in Ser Jorah's read on Oberyn and that he's hoping to win this by letting the town spare team orange and that an eventual lynch against the cult leader will result in mostly town deaths. I'm also not so sure that Robb is a consort, even though I did get some early scum vibes from him. I suspect there to be more than a few half truths in his claim.

My opinion: the two covens combined can strike a mighty blow to the cult, so it's about time we force them to. If we leave both mafia teams with only 2 members, they won't be too strong to deal with.

Honestly I expected Melisandre was the coroner, because:

The night is dark and full of terrors. You, Ser Davos, are one of those terrors. You are not who you claim to be.

It is time for your true intentions to be revealed. Your role has been called for. Your body will hang. We will scour your body for the required information and the Town shall rejoice as those who sided with evil will slowly, but surely, be executed for their betrayal.
This is a coroner stealth claim as far as I'm concerned.

Therefore, I think Stannis and Melisandre are culted together. Sadly, because the coroner would've been a huge help after the cult leader's death.


I can't help thinking that only scum deal with certainties and that this only helps the explanation for why I'm not culted.

That's why I think that Cersei is cult.
That's BS and you know it. An investigator is just invaluable to the cult. That you're now keeping your investigation results secret suggests that you are either culted or you found the armorsmith, or both. Either way, I smart cult leader wouldn't have skipped the opportunity to dominate you after all this time.

[Tywin]

So you don't deny that you diverted attention away from Sandor trying to get another lynch off based on nothing? You're pathetic.

Robb was already culted last night. And I forced him onto you.
I doubt that you were roleblocked yesterday when Rodriks action was randomized. I'm counting on another cult member getting the block and code messaging you so you could claim it. Namely Melisandres cryptic posts right before you finally claimed.

Cersei, if Oberyn is to be trusted on this then the orange mafia is already on two members. Anya and the remaining orange. I'm not trying to deny I'm orange mafia apparently? Where did that come from? I'm still claiming serf, and now there is no hard evidence on me other than scum reads.

Again, if Oberyn is not lying (which he has no reason to) then Robb is already in the cult (and was apparently an orange consort).

My instincts are telling me that you are at least culted, possibly the CL.

Whatever, vote me. Cult has a 90% chance of winning this game anyway.

[Cersei]

Again, if Oberyn is not lying (which he has no reason to) then Robb is already in the cult (and was apparently an orange consort).

Excuse me? Why does Oberyn have no reason to lie about Robb?


Pertinent Rulings: Should you die, half of your brood shall die as a result of losing their sire, rounded down.
If the cult leader is taken out, no doubt he wants people to act on his claim. He himself will be lynched first and after that people will be like "oh he was telling the truth we should probably lynch Robb now." If there are still 2 orange mafia members left alive at that time, they'll probably win.

Another possibility is that Oberyn is the cult leader himself and he's just completely full of bull because he knows we can't afford to lynch any godfathers..

Also, your instincts suck.

[Cersei]

I'm not trying to deny I'm orange mafia apparently? Where did that come from?

The following quote pretty much screams "I'm mafia but you should go after the cult!"

Terrible gambit, by the way. I'm not sure what Oberyn's playing at. In any case you are retarded. You want to obliterate the mafia? That will have to be done eventually, but destroying mafia at this point benefits who?

...The cult. Dracula can only be killed by the mafias. If Oberyn is to be trusted, Dracula's vest is gone. Town CANNOT lynch Dracula at this point without a miracle. You are in the cult. I may or may not be scum, but that has no bearing on whether or not you are cult. You ARE in the cult. Making such a ridiculous claim gambit at this point in the game to accomplish what? Draw out the mafia? Again, who benefits from getting the mafia into the open?

You have way too much faith in Oberyn's claim, which leads me to believe you're on his team. Whatever team that is. Oberyn also very clearly wanted to draw attention away from you in order to get Melisandre lynched.

[Tywin]

There are four town PRs left. One is Joffrey, the possibly culted investigator. The other is our unknown armorsmith friend. The third appears to be Stannis as coroner, which would make sense with the presence of a janitor in the game.

There is one missing town PR. Robb claims escort, Melisandre claims... something that can investigate (I dunno if she means investigator or something else). One of them is lying. Who is lying in this case?

I really would like to say that Melisandre is the liar, but in this case I don't think she is. I believe that she is just a culted town PR (again, maybe the culted doctor that everyone always seems to be believe exists). What does that leave Robb as? Consort. Red consort? Hmmm, maybe. I really don't know what the red mafia role is, perhaps trapper.

Orange consort? There are two more alive orange mafia aside from the GF/Ms. There is a higher probability of him being orange. Why hasn't Robb objected yet to Oberyn's claim that he is orange consort? Perhaps because he knows it's true...

Oberyn cult leader? No. That really makes no sense at all, he's putting himself completely in the spotlight, no one has found the cult leader and there are no investigative roles (I believe) left other than Joffrey, the cult leader is in no danger.

Conclusion: It all comes down to who you believe, Robb or Melisandre. I personally believe both are scum, but unless the CL is found the game will end either tomorrow or the day after.

Perhaps my instincts suck. I just don't trust you.

[Tywin]

The following quote pretty much screams "I'm mafia but you should go after the cult!"


You have way too much faith in Oberyn's claim, which leads me to believe you're on his team. Whatever team that is. Oberyn also very clearly wanted to draw attention away from you in order to get Melisandre lynched.

I don't deal in absolutes. Do you think that me saying I'm innocent will change your opinion at all?

I don't have 'way too much faith'. Do you believe Robb's claim that he is escort? If you do, Melisandre is lying/confirmed mafia. If you believe Melisandre, then Robb is consort. I believe that Melisandre WAS town (although I think she is culted now). Ergo, I believe that Robb is mafia. It appears most logical to me, and it's supported by Oberyn. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best answer, and that's what I get from this situation.

[Cersei]

Why do you completely ignore this scenario:

Stannis -> culted something/cult leader (not town PR. He can now claim a PR because Joffrey is culted and he's not going to speak up against him)
Melisandre -> culted Coroner who supplied Stannis with results. Some of which might be fake (interesting that Stannis confirms Melisandre as coroner by saying she's right about Viserys warding Oberyn, huh?)
Joffrey -> culted investigator who refuses spill the beans all of a sudden
Robb -> escort (culted or not culted, I don't know)

[Tywin]

By that same logic, Melisandre could be cult leader and Stannis the culted coroner.

Or I could be right.

In any case, Melisandre has to claim nonetheless.

[Melisandre]

Why do you completely ignore this scenario:

Stannis -> culted something/cult leader (not town PR. He can now claim a PR because Joffrey is culted and he's not going to speak up against him)
Melisandre -> culted Coroner who supplied Stannis with results. Some of which might be fake (interesting that Stannis confirms Melisandre as coroner by saying she's right about Viserys warding Oberyn, huh?)
Joffrey -> culted investigator who refuses spill the beans all of a sudden
Robb -> escort (culted or not culted, I don't know)

Because it is not true and Tywin, who is all but confirmed Mafia through my fake investigation gambit, is attempting to confuse you further.

Tywin: I have already claimed, my dear. I claimed Detective and I'm sticking with that claim. Because you are too simple-minded to read through my posts, re-read the post where I claimed Snoop. All those actions are 100% true except for the final one, in which I actually followed Khal Drogo, not you.

Meanwhile, Oberyn, if telling the truth (I do not see why he would lie about being the Godfather at this point, unless he is the Cult Leader trying to avoid a lynch by making nice with the Town), has basically told us Tywin is the Trapper and Robb is his Consort.

I am not Culted and I am most certainly not a Coroner. I do not trust Stannis. I merely said that, if his results were true, they would confirm me as Detective because we both saw Viserys visit Oberyn.

[Tywin]

It might confirm you as a PR, but it definitely does not confirm that you are not culted.

I will repeat again: I did not visit Khal Drogo. I have already claimed.

[Melisandre]

It might confirm you as a PR, but it definitely does not confirm that you are not culted.

I will repeat again: I did not visit Khal Drogo. I have already claimed.

I've been wondering why you've been trying to lay the Cult blame on me...and I think I've figured it out.

Oberyn said he thinks his night chat has been infiltrated. Perhaps you have been converted and he is afraid that you have told the Cult all of your secrets? It would make sense...Oberyn has defended you little since his claim, probably intending for the Town to lynch you so he doesn't have to worry about you anymore. Or perhaps it is Robb, instead, who has been culted. Regardless, you are most definitely not a Citizen, that much I can tell.

Our goal today should be to eliminate Dracula, unless we can do away with the weakened Mafia. On the flip side, eliminating one of Oberyn's culted lackeys is an alternative, as it will reduce both Mafia to two for the Town. They can shoot at the Cult and we can slowly lynch the mafia. I can't see any other way for us to win.

Janos, Lord Varys, Ser Ilyn, Ser Jorah: mind claiming a role? Or should we have Oberyn shoot you at night?

[Cersei]

Question for the GM:
Is the trapper informed of someone visiting his target? Does he know when his trap is sprung? (no name)

The rolecard makes no mention of this.

[Cersei]

If i read the role card right you could have unculted jaime.

The coroner can stop the ghost from possessing people, that's how I read it.

I do find it somewhat peculiar that Stannis the "coroner" didn't check Yoren to see where the heck the missing witched claims are. More interesting than Viserys imo. The chance of eucharist working is very slim.

[Cersei]

More complete question:
Is the trapper informed of someone visiting his target? Does he know when his trap is sprung? Is he informed when someone invulnerable triggers his trap? (no name)

I find it peculiar that some people here just seem to assume that the trapper is ever aware of success/failure to kill someone. And that Oberyn made his claim after Sandor's half-arsed question about this topic.

[Forum Mafia GM]

More complete question:
Is the trapper informed of someone visiting his target? Does he know when his trap is sprung? Is he informed when someone invulnerable triggers his trap? (no name)

I find it peculiar that some people here just seem to assume that the trapper is ever aware of success/failure to kill someone. And that Oberyn made his claim after Sandor's half-arsed question about this topic.

HOW ABOUT YOU READ MY FUCKING ANSWER LIKE A PAGE AGO

[Forum Mafia GM]

JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR
THE NOTIFICATION OF SUCCESSFUL TRAPPING IS THE PERSON BEING DEAD
FAILURE IS NOTIFIED
YOU'RE NOT TOLD WHO

OK?

[Oberyn]

My opinion: the two covens combined can strike a mighty blow to the cult, so it's about time we force them to. If we leave both mafia teams with only 2 members, they won't be too strong to deal with.
Guess what buddy? Who do you think I'm hunting? Do you think I'm killing Citizens by accident? Of course I want to kill the cult leader. Why do you think I've let Joffrey live so long when he can find my interceptor.



Cult Leaders biggest fear is that the coronor will check his body after and learn ALL the cult recruits. You are simply trying to discredit Stannis. I have no reason to believe that Stannis is culted as of right now.

[QUOTE=CerseiThat's BS and you know it. An investigator is just invaluable to the cult. That you're now keeping your investigation results secret suggests that you are either culted or you found the armorsmith, or both. Either way, I smart cult leader wouldn't have skipped the opportunity to dominate you after all this time.
As for your read on Joffrey, having a culted investigator is only good if he hasn't claimed. A revealed invest is pointless, since he has to reveal all his targets and can easily be counterclaimed if he lies. Also, an invest is a high priority target to be killed by mafia. Cult want to avoid such risky roles once revealed, that is why I truly believe that Joffrey is still unculted.



Question for the GM:
Is the trapper informed of someone visiting his target? Does he know when his trap is sprung? (no name)

The rolecard makes no mention of this.


More complete question:
Is the trapper informed of someone visiting his target? Does he know when his trap is sprung? Is he informed when someone invulnerable triggers his trap? (no name)

I find it peculiar that some people here just seem to assume that the trapper is ever aware of success/failure to kill someone. And that Oberyn made his claim after Sandor's half-arsed question about this topic.

I can answer that question for you since I already asked the question but you seem to be overly concerned that the cult leader was seen when he culted my mafia. Your question alone gives you away that you are affiliated with the cult. Cult member or cult leader, I donno.
Joffrey says you are culted and I'm willing to believe that he got a culted result on you, meaning you are not the leader. I'd like confirmation from Joffrey about this though, because if he didn't check you, I'll be shooting you tonight for sure.

I first thought that the cult leader wouldn't try to impersonate the masons, I thought it would be too risky. But I'm having second thoughts about Cersei right now. Impersonating the masons drew them out so he could avoid them.

[Ser Ilyn]

Ser Ilyn (is he even alive?)

I assure you I am quite alive right now though I wish I was dead. You guys derped and lynched the consort yesterday when you needed to lynch Dracula. Sandor may not have been the consort but he was certainly scum and possibly Dracula which is more than you could say about Rodrik. About Obern I believe his claim and Ive suspected him for quite some time now (I didnt know he was the gf though I thought he couldve been Dracula himself). He could be a cultist attempting a gambit but I highly doubt it. Its funny: I was right about Eddard Bronn and Oberyn.

In case you havent already guessed Im a serf (even you guys should be able to see that). I know you guys are gonna rage at me and call me scum because Im revealing later and because I didnt claim serf first I must automatically be scum but thats the best I can do for you. I would hope at this point you guys are smart enough to see that Im at least not mafia (I suppose my actions dont make me not the cult leader) but with you guys and your 'amazing' track record I really cant trust you like that.

Lynch targets imo: Stannis Melisandre Sandor

Also Oberyn were you and your infested mafia responsible for killing off Catelyn?

[Ser Ilyn]

lol looking things over now I think this game is pretty much over and only the mafia stand a chance

[Melisandre]

I assure you I am quite alive right now though I wish I was dead. You guys derped and lynched the consort yesterday when you needed to lynch Dracula. Sandor may not have been the consort but he was certainly scum and possibly Dracula which is more than you could say about Rodrik. About Obern I believe his claim and Ive suspected him for quite some time now (I didnt know he was the gf though I thought he couldve been Dracula himself). He could be a cultist attempting a gambit but I highly doubt it. Its funny: I was right about Eddard Bronn and Oberyn.

In case you havent already guessed Im a serf (even you guys should be able to see that). I know you guys are gonna rage at me and call me scum because Im revealing later and because I didnt claim serf first I must automatically be scum but thats the best I can do for you. I would hope at this point you guys are smart enough to see that Im at least not mafia (I suppose my actions dont make me not the cult leader) but with you guys and your 'amazing' track record I really cant trust you like that.


I actually do believe you are a Serf. Dracula would do well to blend into the crowd, while you have a distinct lurker-because-this-game-is-too-derpy feel.

I regret not lynching Sandor and I said as much yesterday when Ser Jorah--who had not role-claimed and had some suspicion on him--convinced everyone to switch the vote to Ser Rodrik. This could give cause to Ser Jorah being a recruited cult member, while Sandor is Count Dracula.

[Oberyn]

Also Oberyn were you and your infested mafia responsible for killing off Catelyn?

No we were not.
I'm really pissed that the Red Mafia killed Catelyn since masons posed no threat to the Mafia and were essential to killing the cult / confirming non culted PRs.

[Ser Ilyn]

No we were not.
I'm really pissed that the Red Mafia killed Catelyn since masons posed no threat to the Mafia and were essential to killing the cult / confirming non culted PRs.

So the red mafia is probably infested too. Great.


Dracula would do well to blend into the crowd, while you have a distinct lurker-because-this-game-is-too-derpy feel.

What if I was wifoming? If I was Dracula I could use that logic and play the lurker-because-this-game-is-too-derpy look because people would rule me out as dracula because it seems like that plays against his best interests even though it doesnt. Also Im not lurking because this game is too derpy I just dont have enough to contribute to justify more than a few posts a day at best so Im not gonna post 15 times a day just to say I am.

[Oberyn]

So the red mafia is probably infested too. Great.

= Higher chance that scum suicide when Cult Leader dies. Which is good for town.
Cult are just stalling to get majority, fail today and tonight = cult win.


-Vote Sandor

Tywin [3] - Melisandre, Petyr, Cersei
Sandor [1] - Oberyn



So 2 highly suspected cult voting Tywin, I suggest you don't let this day go to waste with another wasted lynch or even worse a no lynch.

[Petyr]

= Higher chance that scum suicide when Cult Leader dies. Which is good for town.
Cult are just stalling to get majority, fail today and tonight = cult win.


-Vote Sandor

Tywin [3] - Melisandre, Petyr, Cersei
Sandor [1] - Oberyn



So 2 highly suspected cult voting Tywin, I suggest you don't let this day go to waste with another wasted lynch or even worse a no lynch.

I've already told you I'm cult.

[Oberyn]

I've already told you I'm cult.

Ah well thank you for making that clear. Now we have 3 targets to kill off: Sandor, Cersei and Petyr.

[Oberyn]

Too bad this town quit and isn't even trying to win anymore. Town fails due to inactivity.

[Melisandre]

= Higher chance that scum suicide when Cult Leader dies. Which is good for town.
Cult are just stalling to get majority, fail today and tonight = cult win.


-Vote Sandor

Tywin [3] - Melisandre, Petyr, Cersei
Sandor [1] - Oberyn



So 2 highly suspected cult voting Tywin, I suggest you don't let this day go to waste with another wasted lynch or even worse a no lynch.

I pushed Tywin to see who would join me. If Petyr is Cult, then he should be shot tonight to decrease their numbers (since the Mafia effectively gives us 2 KPN).

I regret not forcing the lynch on Sandor yesterday, so I would not be opposed to it today. Dracula has likely been laying low, while appealing to others. Sandor has played the "look at me! I'm drawing all the attention to me!" card since Day One. He would be a likely candidate. (It will be interesting to see how you view my vote, considering you think I am Cult. I assure you, Godfather, I am not. Town is likely to lose if we do not kill at least 2 Cult between this lynch and the two shots from the mafia tonight.

If you are telling the truth, Oberyn, then Dracula has no more armor left. One shot will kill him, unless the Armoursmith is on his side. This will greatly increase our chances of finding him.

-vote Sandor

[Sandor]

I haz finaly installed d3 So i will check back maybe tomorrow. I like how everybody is to pussy to vote anybody.

-vote Petyr


Petyr tried hard to fit in with almost only filler posts. He had an early har don on the ghost. Probably because he tried to recruit him N1 and ghosts are immune.
So he pretty much knew that he was scum or one of the Masons but like he mentioned in one of those posts Jon was playing scum like he would do it. Since the Cult lubs to get their hands on mafia recruits he tried his luck.
Didn´t work out. So he mildly accused him the whole day. Etc. pp. go read it up. He looks like an Alien in the whole game fitting nowhere in.
Pretty much like the Arsonist in FM 8 :p


Also people like Ser Loras are completely ignored. Maybe he is ghost possessed to shut him up, because he was almost as annoying as myself =)

Honestly do what u must. I am still an unconverted serf. Why would they recruit me? I am always scummy, especially if the game bores me.

Stannis didn´t coroner the witch because people could proof if they were witched or not so he had to fake claim thenight actions of the biship because they don´t return information. If there is an armorsmith i suggest he claims today. It´s not like the cult can count 1 plus 1 together now with almost all roles out of the open.

Also the only one who seems to have an impact on lynches is Sir Jorah. He singlehandedly changed almost all votes on me onto Sir Rodric. This smells a little bit fishy. Don´t you agree?


The Mafia killed serf´s who weren´t jumping immediatly on the train on me. Because they really believed i am the Cultleader.
This alone pretty much should give you enough to reconsider your Cult Leader stand against me because those people where town and not some scientologist who try to lynch a scapegoat.

[Petyr]

If the Godfather is going to turn into an invulnerable vigilante for the town until I'm dead then GG I can't do anything to stop that. It would only be a matter of time until I died anyway.

-vote Oberyn

I'd rather speed up this game's conclusion, as it's clear either the Godfathers will be allowed to run amok and shoot me and my subjects or I will be allowed to finish this game up. What do you want to do town? Side with a sore loser, or side with the people that did pretty good and only lost one member to a night shot?

I know there's a natural inclination to hate the cult, but I didn't ask to be rolled this and neither did my teammates so don't punish us for a role we never asked for.

[Ser Ilyn]

Vote Sandor

I think Ive made my reasons clear by now. Ser Jorah could very well be culted. Oberyn I see what youre saying now I forgot that the red mafia godfather can kill now so they dont have to worry about cult tainting kills.

[Petyr]

Vote Sandor

I think Ive made my reasons clear by now. Ser Jorah could very well be culted. Oberyn I see what youre saying now I forgot that the red mafia godfather can kill now so they dont have to worry about cult tainting kills.

Please vote for either Oberyn or myself as we've pretty much reached the end game please.

[Oberyn]

Voting for me gives Cult a 50/50 chance of controlling my mafias kill tonight and a 100% chance of being able to use my culted mafia.

The only thing cult has to do is kill both GFs before the GFs kill him. Thats minimum 2 days of lynching required. How many nights do you want to give the GFs to find the Cult Leader if we fail to lynch him today?

Lynch me today = Cult can roleblock other GF and get majority and lynch Red GF tomorrow and win.

[Petyr]

Voting for me gives Cult a 50/50 chance of controlling my mafias kill tonight and a 100% chance of being able to use my culted mafia.

The only thing cult has to do is kill both GFs before the GFs kill him. Thats minimum 2 days of lynching required. How many nights do you want to give the GFs to find the Cult Leader if we fail to lynch him today?

Lynch me today = Cult can roleblock other GF and get majority and lynch Red GF tomorrow and win.

Or lynch Oberyn since he's a part of your win objective and then win in the coming days. I'll cult the people that actually paid attention to this game to ensure that the majority that wins are people that deserved it and not lurkers who probably won't show up to vote today anyway.

Or lynch me/ don't lynch Oberyn so he can kill me tonight. Then I'll watch you guys from the graveyard and have a good laugh. I'd prefer the win but I'm not going to rage if you guys decide to ally with vampires in order to kill me.

Just remember The Lost Boys, nothing good comes of hanging out with vampires. They make you think you're eating maggots and stuff. I just make you listen to Jack Johnson and bro out with me.

[Sandor]

-vote Oberyn

easy decision.

[Petyr]

Oh and whoever the ghost possessed today, voting for Oberyn is one step closer to the mafias losing and you completing your win objective, so I'd appreciate a vote for Oberyn.

[Cersei]

HOW ABOUT YOU READ MY FUCKING ANSWER LIKE A PAGE AGO

Maybe you could be less of an obnoxious turdle and see if you made any errors of your own before you write off questions as "stupid."

Let me help you by pointing out the flaw in your reasoning and the lack of clarity regarding the actual mechanics provided by the answer you gave to Sandor.


Does the trapper get the name of the target she traps?
I'm going to assume you mean of the person they attempt to kill. The answer is no. [/QUOTE]

Your answer tells me that the trapper does not get to see the name of the person who walked into his trap. Great. However, this does not clarify in any way that the trapper is ever informed about anyone running into his trap. You did answer his question completely, but your response to my question was completely uncalled for because I simply requested further explanation.

I was under the assumption that the trapper never received any feedback himself because the rolecard doesn't say so. Oberyn now comes with a claim that says the trapper does get feedback under some circumstances. That's new to me, so the information provided by the rolecard was incomplete OR Oberyn is lying. That's why I asked the question.


JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR
THE NOTIFICATION OF SUCCESSFUL TRAPPING IS THE PERSON BEING DEAD
FAILURE IS NOTIFIED
YOU'RE NOT TOLD WHO

OK?
Thanks, now it's clear then. Can we just play this game respecting each other like adults? Why is it so hard to just give a normal answer without MASS CAPSLOCKLOL AND FUK U UR STUPID? I might take some smacktalk from players because it can be part of troll-WIFOM, but I would expect better from the host.


Moving on...

There's no apparent flaw in Oberyn's claim then, though there might still be hidden lies. I thought about it some more and I actually do think there's reason to believe that Robb is part of Oberyn's mafia. Remember when Robb was posting serf targets for the Bishop to "test?" He listed Samwell, Daenerys, Lord Varys and Ser Gregor... but not Oberyn or myself. Why he didn't mention my name I don't know, maybe to make me seem like a possible cult leader to his mafia. But why he neglected to mention Oberyn could be explained now.


Ah well thank you for making that clear. Now we have 3 targets to kill off: Sandor, Cersei and Petyr.

Shooting me tonight is useless because I have armor. I know for sure that there's a smith and I have known that for some time. Also, Joffrey is apparently a much lower priority target for the mafia to kill than you want to make us believe because he has claimed day 3 and he's still alive and kicking. I'm sure the cult leader has noticed this too.

Honestly though people, it should be pretty obvious what Oberyn is doing. He wants to use OUR lynches, his block AND direct red mafia night kills to find/stop the cult leader from recruiting and killing citizens and he wants to use his own kills to establish a superiority in numbers for after the cult leader is dead. He ordered his own mafia to shoot Aemon, one of the few trustworthy serfs left. He'll shoot the armorsmith right after the cult leader is killed. I suggest the red mafia hits PRs/possible orange mafia suspects or you will be swarmed. Oberyn can send Robb to block Sandor for all infinity for all I care. We should reduce the mafia numbers to 2 each and force them to really hunt for scum instead of helping them trample all the serfs on their path to the cult leader. If they don't want to play vigilantes for us and only use as tools and lambs for the slaughter I'm not going to help them win either. I can win with the town or with the cult, so why should I help the mafia create a situation where their victory is guaranteed? I'll keep my options open and vote the cult out after the threat of the mafia becomes manageable. And no, I won't vote against godfathers either.


In case you havent already guessed Im a serf (even you guys should be able to see that).
Honestly, cut the crap. We should be able to see that you are a serf because you lurk, supposedly because you don't care? Same stupid argument as the one Tywin used and I don't find that a good explanation at all. A player like Samwell seems a lot more like an uncaring serf than either of you. And the cult won't recruit him because they can get him to vote along with them/fail to vote against them without having him on their side.

[Oberyn]

Vote me = 0% chance of town victory

Vote for potential Cult Leader = % chance of town victory will depend on cult suicides but it is more than 0%

[Ser Ilyn]

At this point (excluding the ghost and culted members) anyone voting for Oberyn is gamethrowing as they are condemning themselves. Sandor and Petyr are guaranteed culted or cult leader and Melisandre probably is too (and Im gonna take a random guess and say Stannis is the culted orange mafia). After cult is gone the mafia have to deal with each other in addition to us so we could have a FM V situation so there is still a chance BUT DONT FREAKIN DERP AND GIVE UP NOW. Vote for the cult leader or at least a culted member: the godfathers both know they have to deal with the cult now even if it gives town a chance.

Cersei you should be able to see that Im a serf because Ive made no attempt to hide it whatsoever nor have I said anything to imply that Im a PR. Its not that I dont care: Im just not gonna post just because I can.

[Sandor]

Nah i am not culted i don´t wanna see Oberyn win thats all. Because he is a dick. =) Your logic is utterly flawed Ser LLyn i accused Petyr today 2 times as the cult leader. Why would i do that? Of course he is my scapegoat and i am the big cult leader boss...

Sigh. Helping the Orange mafia to win is game throwing as well then.

[Petyr]

At this point (excluding the ghost and culted members) anyone voting for Oberyn is gamethrowing as they are condemning themselves. Sandor and Petyr are guaranteed culted or cult leader and Melisandre probably is too (and Im gonna take a random guess and say Stannis is the culted orange mafia). After cult is gone the mafia have to deal with each other in addition to us so we could have a FM V situation so there is still a chance BUT DONT FREAKIN DERP AND GIVE UP NOW. Vote for the cult leader or at least a culted member: the godfathers both know they have to deal with the cult now even if it gives town a chance.

Cersei you should be able to see that Im a serf because Ive made no attempt to hide it whatsoever nor have I said anything to imply that Im a PR. Its not that I dont care: Im just not gonna post just because I can.

Hello, mafia. I still have X amount of slots to fill before the cult takes majority. And like I said, it will be going to the people I feel have been active. If Orange mafia revealing himself and pledging his loyalty to the town in order to wipe out cult isn't gamethrowing for his own team, then I don't understand the definition I guess.

[Sandor]

I think i hae found the red godfather =)

[Cersei]

I think i hae found the red godfather =)

In your shoes?

[Oberyn]

I want to make this clear, this game has had the worst town players in FM history. Cits didn't take any bullets for PRs and actually HELPED the Cult Leader AND the GFs by looking so damn scummy. The Cits have taken bullets not for town but for the Cult.

You guys were lucky that both myself and the other Red GF were too busy actually looking for the Cult Leader to even bother to kill your obvious PRs.

All your fake cryptic posts that look like coded messages only made you all look like scum (I'm looking at you Mr Dragons). All your lurking and not caring about the game, helps scum (I'm looking at you Samwell, Ser Loras and other extreme lurkers). All your stupid and retarded behavior and dumb questions, helps scum (I'm looking at you, person who asked if Ghost can suicide and yellow spammer). Then there are those who don't read... (I'm looking at you Viserys and Khal Drogo... GM answers a question day 5 about armor and culting. You both ask the exact same question AGAIN. Then there is Samwell who can't be bothered to read less than 200 posts.)

Then there is he who couldn't even remember a jailor code phrase to reveal himself and almost gets lynched.

Why would a mafia ever target someone that looks scummy when it's easier to get the town to lynch you if there is no other obvious lynch.

I also have to blame some PRs who were so predictable, I knew exactly what role was going to die from the interceptor... And I also predicted Catelyn's death that night.

If it wasn't for the cult being in this setup, Mafia would have trampled over you.


Btw.. what I did was the only way for me to have a chance of winning as well as the town when the dust settles. It all depends on who dies from the cult suicides. How is it game-throwing if it's the only way I can have a chance to win?

Notice that I didn't tell you the Red mafia members so that you can't reduce the KPN faster once the CL dies. Of course I want to face off against him. But I also know that he has to remain hidden for the cult not to jump on him.

[Sandor]

More like in Ser Ilias pants though.

[Stannis]

The cult have already won before.



-vote Cersei

[Cersei]

Scum wouldn't use such in your face codes when they can just use X letter in Y paragraph of post Z, which nobody will ever find. His dragons RP was a "disguiser check" of sorts and he expressed the desire to be the paladin quite strongly without being blatant about it, like "hi im serf recruit plz." He would have made a valuable inquisitor recruit and if I had been the bishop I would certainly have gone to recruit him.

I agree that the bus driver was silly and predictable, switching the same target every night.

Ser Davos was a horrible jailer and joffrey the investigator made some rather big derps as well, almost like he's playing pro-cult since the beginning.

[Petyr]

You got to love a guy who rants against the people whose help he needs.

[Cersei]

More like in Ser Ilias pants though.

I actually agree with you on that one. My suspected scum list I submitted as a last will last night:

Richard The Flayer - Ser Ilyn
Nosferatu Devout - Stannis
Anya Nighthawk - Sandor
Child of the Stars - Khal Drogo
Child of the Stars - Ser Loras
Count Dracula (Cult Leader) - Tywin
Investigator (culted) - Joffrey
Escort (culted) - Robb
Serf (culted) - Petyr

I guess I was way off on the orange mafia. I had too many possible serfs and I gave Oberyn the benefit of doubt. The red mafia hasn't been nearly as elusive thus far (though I did think Robb was red consort before Ser Rodrik claimed yesterday).

[Ser Ilyn]

lol you think Im the godfather. May I ask why you even think Im mafia, no less the godfather? Also why isnt Melisandre on your list of scum? Im 99% sure shes culted now and that she only said she agreed with me in order to gain my trust and add my vote to the cult lynch.

Yes I am siding with the orange godfather not because Im gamethrowing but because Im eliminating the imminent threat that is the cult. Unless Dracula is stopped the cult will win in a day or two. After Dracula is dead we will have a free godfather target and more scum deaths after the fact (including Oberyns treacherous teammate as well as the infested red mafia). In short side with orange to remove Dracula and its a tossup as to who wins: at least we have a chance that way.

[Petyr]

I don't know about you guys, but I want to drag this game out as long as possible. So vote me please.

Also, I see you reading this thread Jon. Possess someone and bring the pain, come on yo.

[Tywin]

What the fuck is going on?

Not sure if Petyr is serious or not...

-vote Petyr

[Cersei]

Petyr = the ghost :p

Also Ser Ilyn, that's my scum list from last night. It has changed since then.

[Petyr]

What the fuck is going on?

Not sure if Petyr is serious or not...

-vote Petyr

It's okay, if I live I'll be visiting you tonight bud. Better get me lynched quick! Or just vote your godfather and come inside. It's not so bad.

[Melisandre]

lol you think Im the godfather. May I ask why you even think Im mafia, no less the godfather? Also why isnt Melisandre on your list of scum? Im 99% sure shes culted now and that she only said she agreed with me in order to gain my trust and add my vote to the cult lynch..

You are a fool. Have you not noticed my posts this entire game? My fake lists of who I thought was Godfather, who I thought was Dracula? They were not fake. Those were my legitimate insinuations. And guess what? I pegged Tywin easily (Mafia), along with what I assume is Lord Varys (Red Godfather), and Sandor (Culted, but not Dracula). Stannis was trickier and I'm still unsure of his claim.

Funny how the people who believe I am culted are mafia (both Tywin and Oberyn) and you, who I am also unsure about. Are you part of the Cult then, Ser Ilyn? I like how after I agreed you could easily be a Serf, you basically gave the retort, "But how do you know that I'm a Serf?" Yes, what a great way to spend this day if you are actually a Town member. There are so few of us left and you are second guessing my opinions?

The reason Cersei didn't have me on her list is because she's one of the only few members left in this game that are a) still Town and b) are still playing the game for Town. The rest of the people talking are mafia, cult, and a few Citizens who have nothing better to do than to play Diablo 3.

I have kept a low profile and so far have only been jailed and role-blocked. I gave Ser Davos instructions and help, we exchanged notes, and he still couldn't even provide us with a last will (one which would at least corroborate my Detective claim). Honestly, our Town has been such a massive failure that this entire game is ridiculous now. A Godfather out in the open with all of his mafia? Town trying to balance the Cult conversions versus the Mafia KPN (and with one mafia hidden, we won't even know who they are targeting until the following night).

As Town, do we:

a) Lynch the Godfather and let the Cult possibly control the actions of his mafia (which appear to be a Trapper and Consort)? This will lead to a reduction in KPN, since the Trapper cannot do too much harm except to the opposing mafia. The other mafia will be forced to shoot Cult targets at night, while the Town would have to focus on lynching Cult targets.
b) Try to lynch Dracula. If lynched, many of the Cultists will die. However, this will leave a vacuum of power that will be swept up by the mafia with the greatest number of players (at this point, Oberyn's). How is the Town supposed to deal with five Mafia members and a growing Cult?

I'm almost of the opinion that lynching the Godfather is the better option, simply because it forces the remaining mafia to shoot at possible Cult/Dracula targets, which lets the Town focus on lynching them as well. Because, from experience, I know that when it gets down to mafia vs mafia vs town, the Town is always wiped out first. Always. And the best way for the Town to survive is to always keep up a stalemate until the end.

[Cersei]

That isn't to say your position on it has changed by the way. I have watched voting patterns and daytime contributions and to me you just don't look like a serf. You look like someone with authority, but without coming forward too much. Your late serf claim only makes it more likely that you're a godfather imo. Stannis is a follower, possibly yours, though he tries to develop some individuality now.


I'm almost of the opinion that lynching the Godfather is the better option, simply because it forces the remaining mafia to shoot at possible Cult/Dracula targets, which lets the Town focus on lynching them as well. Because, from experience, I know that when it gets down to mafia vs mafia vs town, the Town is always wiped out first. Always. And the best way for the Town to survive is to always keep up a stalemate until the end.
Actually, lynching the godfather will allow the cult to control the orange mafia's kill. That's why I ideally want to lynch a non-godfather mafia member. But we can't lynch Robb because his block could still be valuable (ser rodrik's wasn't because he was being used to kill anyway).

And yes I'm looking ahead. If we follow Oberyn's plan, he will most likely win and the town's chances to win are actually reduced. He knows that, too. I want to keep the stalemate until there's sufficient dead mafia to quickly reduce the KPN and a numbers superiority to find and lynch the remaining mafia with 1 KPN left.

[Cersei]

That isn't to say your position on it has changed by the way. I have watched voting patterns and daytime contributions and to me you just don't look like a serf. You look like someone with authority, but without coming forward too much. Your late serf claim only makes it more likely that you're a godfather imo. Stannis is a follower, possibly yours, though he tries to develop some individuality now.
This bit was in reply to Ser Ilyn.

[Tywin]

That isn't to say your position on it has changed by the way. I have watched voting patterns and daytime contributions and to me you just don't look like a serf. You look like someone with authority, but without coming forward too much. Your late serf claim only makes it more likely that you're a godfather imo. Stannis is a follower, possibly yours, though he tries to develop some individuality now.


Actually, lynching the godfather will allow the cult to control the orange mafia's kill. That's why I ideally want to lynch a non-godfather mafia member. But we can't lynch Robb because his block could still be valuable (ser rodrik's wasn't because he was being used to kill anyway).

And yes I'm looking ahead. If we follow Oberyn's plan, he will most likely win and the town's chances to win are actually reduced. He knows that, too. I want to keep the stalemate until there's sufficient dead mafia to quickly reduce the KPN and a numbers superiority to find and lynch the remaining mafia with 1 KPN left.

I feel more and more like you are culted. You have COMPLETELY ignored the cult in this statement. Oh, the cult randomly disappears? Is that what happens? Town randomly pulls a victory out of its ass with a 5 or 6-man cult? Haven't you noticed that the current hammer vote is 9? Each day that passes, the cult gets stronger, while the amount of votes required for majority decreases. It's mutually converging on cult win. Mafia IS a threat. Cult is too.

Please. Don't insult our intelligence.

[Petyr]

I wanted to lynch Oberyn today but if you guys want to lynch Tywin instead to make it 4 maf total, I'm fine with that too. Just let me know what we're doing.

[Tywin]

I wanted to lynch Oberyn today but if you guys want to lynch Tywin instead to make it 4 maf total, I'm fine with that too. Just let me know what we're doing.

Stfu ghost. You don't give a rat's ass about the town. You just want a cult win lulz.

[Cersei]

I feel more and more like you are culted. You have COMPLETELY ignored the cult in this statement. Oh, the cult randomly disappears? Is that what happens? Town randomly pulls a victory out of its ass with a 5 or 6-man cult? Haven't you noticed that the current hammer vote is 9? Each day that passes, the cult gets stronger, while the amount of votes required for majority decreases. It's mutually converging on cult win. Mafia IS a threat. Cult is too.
Of course the cult is a threat. So go out and kill cultists tonight instead of likely serfs. That will reduce their voting power. If we don't lynch the cult leader for another day, you are forced to work in our best interests instead of your own.

Mafia night kills have all been anti-town so far except eddard. I'm not even including Jaime because that was obviously intended to hit a confirmed town PR. Go and kill some scum, scumbags.

[Cersei]

I'm not even including Jaime because that was obviously intended to hit a confirmed town PR
A confirmed town player, that is. Typo. Referring to the executioner target.

[Melisandre]

Actually, lynching the godfather will allow the cult to control the orange mafia's kill.


@FM Game Master: If the Godfather of a mafia faction is killed and the Cult converts the rest of his mafia members, will they be able to send one of them for a kill? Or do they forfeit that option when they become Cult?

[Cersei]

@FM Game Master: If the Godfather of a mafia faction is killed and the Cult converts the rest of his mafia members, will they be able to send one of them for a kill? Or do they forfeit that option when they become Cult?

Not that I don't want to see this answered, but why would they convert both of the orange mafias? They only need one of them so they can give empty promises to the other mafia member that he will be recruited next. The mafia night chat and kill vote will still exist, I reckon.

[Melisandre]

If we don't lynch the cult leader for another day, you are forced to work in our best interests instead of your own.


This. The Mafia want us to lynch Dracula during the day so that they can continue to kill what remaining Town members we have. Especially Oberyn's mafia, which has three members still intact. Our best option would likely be to remove Tywin (so that Robb can still role-block if he is Escort. At the very least, if he is Consort, the Godfather can control his actions to try and role-block Dracula.

We must act in our best interests. Lynching Dracula will make half the Cult suicide and then give the Mafia easy-pickings. We must make them do our dirty work or they will continue to kill us.

-vote Tywin

[Cersei]

Step 1] The cult helps the town lynch mafia suspects (should be easier than getting the mafia to rally against the real cultists. They're just poking a stack of serfs)
Step 2] The mafia kills cult/mafia suspects.
Step 3] Profit

[Ser Jorah]

My quietness today is only partly due to Diablo III.

Honestly, at this stage in the game... I'm not sure what to do. I'm not culted, I'm not mafia. Do we lynch mafia or lynch a possible town member?

Petyr as a culted serf makes sense to me.
Sandor as a serf/culted serf makes sense to me.
Oberyn as the Orange GF... kinda makes sense to me, I'm a big believer in playing the hand you're dealt and adapting to a situation.

At this stage it's simply difficult to tell whether someone is culted or not.

I think we have to think about a few things;

Joffrey clearly didn't start out as a Cult Leader. Now we have to wonder whether he got culted early or not... because an early culted Investigator lets other cult members play around and swap role-claims (so Stannis or Melisandre could indeed be the Cult Leader and has 'borrowed' a converted power role claim).

Now if we think Joffrey, Melisandre and Stannis really ARE the roles they claim to be (regardless of whether they're culted or not), then we have to think about who might have been cult leader at the beginning. I don't think Cersei is culted right now, but even if he is I certainly don't think he is Dracula - while I don't necessarily assume Dracula would take the easier road to victory, I'd still think that our Dracula player wouldn't want to take on the mantle of town leader like Cersei did and bait the Masons so openly. Pulling it off would be a feat and quite fun, but when you first receive the rolecard saying 'You are the Cult Leader!' in a big game like this I think most people would want to play the role of the diabolical mastermind in the shadows.

I just think that, over the course of this game, Dracula is hiding behind one of the lurkier citizen claims - especially a player who has waited until today to suddenly become a lot more vocal, possibly a bit too secure and confident in his cult numbers.

I *still* think Tywin or Ser Ilyn are connected to the Cult and/or Dracula. Or certainly the Red GF.

As for my own particular actions from now on, well, at a certain point you have to wonder what course of action can save you. Am I more worried about being killed at night, being culted, or remaining as a Town member? Well, I swore to protect Adelaide, and I expect to get killed tonight. Do I try and help scumhunt, or worry about proving that I'm not culted by allowing someone else (like Oberyn) to choose who I vote for?

[Janos]

The fact that a godfather decided to reveal himself and practically revealed all his team members is unbelievable.

The godfathers are obviously going to keep attacking all the serf claimers until they find Dracula. But any cult in existence tries to recruit PRs. So if we let the blatantly claimed godfather live, what's going to happen is that we're dooming further town members into dying until they find Dracula. That is what Oberyn is trying to convince you to do. Killing two birds with one stone.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they're going to purposely attack non-Dracula suspects to lower town members and then just go, "Oops, sorry, town. Thought he was Dracula." The Godfathers can't be converted. If they gun down enough town members and then take out Dracula along with half his cult, guess who'll have the majority.

To those who think the Mafia and Cult are going to help you during the day and at night are sorely mistaken. You think you can manipulate them as you wish? You think they care? I can't believe the gullible nature of my town members.

[Lord Varys]

@Oberyn: If you are deverting so much effort into taking out the cult, why did you kill Aemon, an obvious non-cult?

Still reading.

[Joffrey]

Oberyn, I will confirm to you that I did not check Cersei last night. I'm using analysis of posts and argumentation.

I am also a big believer in lynching the cult leader today. AFAIK the cult suicide during the night, not during the day so the mafia won't have such easy pickings as many say they will have.

Since my cult suspects are defending Sandor.

-Vote Sandor

[Cersei]

The fact that a godfather decided to reveal himself and practically revealed all his team members is unbelievable.

The godfathers are obviously going to keep attacking all the serf claimers until they find Dracula. But any cult in existence tries to recruit PRs. So if we let the blatantly claimed godfather live, what's going to happen is that we're dooming further town members into dying until they find Dracula. That is what Oberyn is trying to convince you to do. Killing two birds with one stone.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they're going to purposely attack non-Dracula suspects to lower town members and then just go, "Oops, sorry, town. Thought he was Dracula." The Godfathers can't be converted. If they gun down enough town members and then take out Dracula along with half his cult, guess who'll have the majority.

To those who think the Mafia and Cult are going to help you during the day and at night are sorely mistaken. You think you can manipulate them as you wish? You think they care? I can't believe the gullible nature of my town members.

The sad part is that at present, the only thing we can do is try to be a pain in the rectum to the mafia so they can't get away with their two birds in one stone strategy if they want to have any chance at winning. The cult actually does want to lynch people to ensure their majority. If nobody is lynched the mafias will end up killing them anyway.

[Lord Varys]

Tywin [3] - Melisandre, Petyr, Cersei
Sandor [1] - Oberyn



So of the 2 major bandwagons, one is being headed by the guy who claimed GM while the other is being headed by cultists?

https://carlae.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/hmmm.jpg

[Forum Mafia GM]

I'd just thought I'd let you know I won't let the town side with cult.

The fastest way to a town loss and personal loss will be in doing so, I promise you that.

Every faction still has a chance of victory.

[Ser Jorah]

Then we must begin the kitty-kat train.

All aboard say meow!

-vote Ser Ilyn

[Sandor]

Sorry Petyr you heard him i can only win with mafia.... Wait what?

-vote Ser Ilyn

[Ser Jorah]

I just hope that Lord Varys, my fellow cat-sir, is not Dracula.

[Petyr]

Sorry Petyr you heard him i can only win with mafia.... Wait what?

-vote Ser Ilyn

Lol oh well, I accept your alliance proposal Oberyn. Er I would if I was town, but since I'm cult I can't.

-vote Ser Ilyn

[Cersei]

I'd just thought I'd let you know I won't let the town side with cult.

The fastest way to a town loss and personal loss will be in doing so, I promise you that.
I hope you don't mean me, because I'm not siding with the cult. I'm siding against the mafia to force them to do what I want. Siding WITH the mafia to eliminate the town+cult is much more anti town than that. I'm not going to go "hurr durr I should let mafia win this one cuz they never won before so they deserve it moar." That's BS. Don't meddle to get the outcome you want.


So of the 2 major bandwagons, one is being headed by the guy who claimed GM while the other is being headed by cultists?
Melisandre could be culted, but I'm not sure. I do think your serf claim is believable now, Varys. Moreso than most others.

Oh and for giant pictures ya should use SPOILER tagz!

[Cersei]

I'm not sure yet if I want to vote Ser Ilyn. He seems like he might be Nosferatu Godfather. I'll have to think about it some more.

[Joffrey]

If the cult leader is lynched, do half of the cult die at the end of the day or after the night?

I want to know because the rolecard doesn't specify.

[Sandor]

Who needs Bishop protection or Armor against people trying to cult you? Just be a Joffrey :D

[Ser Jorah]

If the cult leader is lynched, do half of the cult die at the end of the day or after the night?

I want to know because the rolecard doesn't specify.

Guys, guys, Joffrey is a cult member and is scared that his cult leader Ser Ilyn is about to be lynched!

All abbooooaaaarrrdddd the Meow Express, next stop Lynchville, calling at Hammervote Station and Whythehellnot? Town.

If Ser Ilyn IS the Red GF then I want him to come out and say it. If he lies then the real Red GF reveals or shoots him at night, is my guess.

[Ser Jorah]

Who needs Bishop protection or Armor against people trying to cult you? Just be a Joffrey :D

My red cape of awesome protects me just fine :)

[Cersei]

If Ser Ilyn IS the Red GF then I want him to come out and say it. If he lies then the real Red GF reveals or shoots him at night, is my guess.

That seems like a decent proposal.

Unvote Tywin
Vote Ser Ilyn

[Petyr]

It's a funny game of Mafia when it's safer to claim Godfather than citizen.

[Sandor]

Oh Great Game Master tell me who to vote to please you! :D

[Ser Jorah]

It really, really doesn't feel like there's 16 of us here.

That isn't a complaint about anyone's activity. It's simply because, from an unculted town perspective, one certainly feels all alone with all this paranoia. After all, there's potentially 10 scum versus 6 town.

Never give up! Never surrender! By Grabthar's Hammer, Adelaide will be avenged!

[Joffrey]

Here's something that towns people may have overlooked: The cult needs the godfathers to die before they can win. As long as one GF lives the cult still hasn't won.

[Ser Jorah]

Whoops I forgot the code word which announces to all my cultists that they should vote with me.

Swordfish.

Come on, my pretties. Don't anger Cthulhu.

[Melisandre]

Here's something that towns people may have overlooked: The cult needs the godfathers to die before they can win. As long as one GF lives the cult still hasn't won.

Precisely why I suggested keeping Oberyn alive. It's easier to lynch the mafia lackeys (to avoid the Cult using their powers and to avoid the Mafia having more members than we would like). I don't know where this sudden Ser Ilyn lynch is coming from. Ser Jorah arrives and a lynch train starts up without question. Hmm...where have I seen this before?

[Janos]

Here's something that towns people may have overlooked: The cult needs the godfathers to die before they can win. As long as one GF lives the cult still hasn't won.

Inb4 FM Game Master changes the rules so that town cannot side with cult in this fashion when cult tries to bribe town by saying, "We won't lynch the other Godfather until we've culted everyone. And then you can win with us!"

[Ser Jorah]

And with that I need to go to sleep.

Remember, Cult, I still have my vest, it was so obvious you'd cult one of the big claimers.

Remember, Mafia, I still have my vest so don't shoot me.

Remember, Town, WIFOM, if you vote me you're all 'fucken noobs' and suck, I was joking about being cult, etc. etc.

(That just about covers everything, I am safe for another day/night cycle methinks)

[Cersei]

And with that I need to go to sleep.

Remember, Cult, I still have my vest, it was so obvious you'd cult one of the big claimers.

Remember, Mafia, I still have my vest so don't shoot me.

Remember, Town, WIFOM, if you vote me you're all 'fucken noobs' and suck, I was joking about being cult, etc. etc.

(That just about covers everything, I am safe for another day/night cycle methinks)

Good job, Ser Catface :)

[Joffrey]

Joking about being in the cult? You just started a lynch train that got all the out-in-the-open cultists to vote with you.

I wish there wasn't any WIFOM. I would know exactly what you were if there was no WIFOM.

[Forum Mafia GM]

If the cult leader is lynched, do half of the cult die at the end of the day or after the night?
They die at night.

[Cersei]

Joking about being in the cult? You just started a lynch train that got all the out-in-the-open cultists to vote with you.

I wish there wasn't any WIFOM. I would know exactly what you were if there was no WIFOM.

WIFOM is beautiful.

[Sandor]

I like how Jon signalizes us, while browsing this thread that he hasn´t possessed anybody and a neutral got him killed. This is just amazing don´t you agree?

[Sandor]

It´s almost as cheating :D

[Sandor]

Hey jon if you want us to lynch Ser Ilyn leave the chat between 1 minute and 24 hours. But only once and then return if you like. I will observe the chat in that time and we will do as you please. :D

[Ser Ilyn]

I still dont see why you guys think Im mafia. Youve said nothing except "according to your voting patterns and blah blah blah" youre the godfather. Ive still yet to hear actual reasons for why I am mafia why I am the godfather (I assure you I am not) and why lynching a mafia is even a good idea at this point if theyre not culted (and I am not). Oh wait: the cult is in control. I KNOW WHAT WELL DO. Lets listen to the cult and not do anything about them because the mafia are obviously capable of killing off the cult themselves and theres absolutely nothing that will make them not want to do the towns bidding. With the 2 serf deaths yesterday I think we can all agree that letting the mafia "deal with the cult" is the best course of action at this point :P

[Petyr]

I still dont see why you guys think Im mafia. Youve said nothing except "according to your voting patterns and blah blah blah" youre the godfather. Ive still yet to hear actual reasons for why I am mafia why I am the godfather (I assure you I am not) and why lynching a mafia is even a good idea at this point if theyre not culted (and I am not). Oh wait: the cult is in control. I KNOW WHAT WELL DO. Lets listen to the cult and not do anything about them because the mafia are obviously capable of killing off the cult themselves and theres absolutely nothing that will make them not want to do the towns bidding. With the 2 serf deaths yesterday I think we can all agree that letting the mafia "deal with the cult" is the best course of action at this point :P

Dude, should've just claimed Godfather. They are the beacons of towniness now.

[Melisandre]

I *still* think Tywin or Ser Ilyn are connected to the Cult and/or Dracula. Or certainly the Red GF.




If Ser Ilyn IS the Red GF then I want him to come out and say it. If he lies then the real Red GF reveals or shoots him at night, is my guess.

Wait, what?

Did we not just decide that lynching a mafia (and NOT a GF) was the best course of action for the Town to win this game? And suddenly, Mr. Non-Claimer Ser Jorah arrives, claims that he was given armor (as opposed to Joffrey? Bullshit), calls Ser Ilyn the Red Godfather (how does he know this?), wants to lynch the Red Godfather (instead of a mafia lackey that can be culted or Dracula himself), and has a train of people (including someone who claims to be a Cultist) join him. And no one questions this?

This town is a massive goddamn fail. Honest to God.

[Cersei]

The orange mafia clearly didn't try to stop the cult. I think the red mafia tried to attack the orange mafia.

I actually do not want to lynch the red Godfather, but I do agree with Jorah's idea that if Ser Ilyn claims red godfather and he isn't it, we let him go and the red godfather should shoot him tonight. I do have some faith that the red mafia will want to cooperate with us because they're probably more desperate.

If the orange mafia wants Sandor to die, they can shoot him themselves. But at this point I really think he's just a cit.

[Sandor]

Hell no don´t shoot me i don´t wanna lose =(

[Cersei]

If Ser Jorah is the red godfather, then lol... epic disguise! I wouldn't mind if he won doing what he's doing.

[Ser Jorah]

Melisandre:

I don't think Ser Ilyn is the Red GF. I think he's one of the, or the best, candidate for Cult Leader. I merely added that he *may* be the Red GF, in the same way that 75% of the people left in this game *may* be the Red GF. If you'd read my posts a little more thoroughly, if Ser Ilyn did want to claim he was the Red GF then it would be up to the actual Red GF (if he's lying) to come out and try to keep the lynch alive or just shoot him at night. I actually want to lynch Dracula. And I didn't claim I was given armour last night. I claimed that I didn't use the armour I was given the night before. Also right now it is impossible for any lynch to happen *without* cult suspects being involved in the train, because again *most* of the players left are suspected of being culted by at least one or two people.

[Joffrey]

Just a word to the wise.

Notice how Cersei was screaming bloody murder about Sandor's scummyness on day 6. Now notice how she votes with him.

I'd say that it's practically proven that she's cult.

[Cersei]

Just a word to the wise.

Notice how Cersei was screaming bloody murder about Sandor's scummyness on day 6. Now notice how she votes with him.

I'd say that it's practically proven that she's cult.

I haven't once tried to get Sandor lynched. I suspected that he might be a godfather because he was behaving like one, but this is definitely not the way I'd expect him to play a cult leader. He was always serf/godfather in my eyes. The only moment I really thought he might be the cult leader was when he asked to be masoned, while he knew that his stance in the day chat would make him a target for lynches and thus he also knew that he was an inappropriate target for masoning. Maybe I'm wrong about him, maybe I'm not.

I may be voting for the same person as Sandor is, but that's mainly because I approve of Ser Jorah's approach and the way he sees the situation. I'm feeling the same way. We're all really paranoid, but at least Ser Jorah and I suspect the same people and I'm much more comfortable with that than doing the orange mafia's bidding. If Ser Jorah understands the way I think and is manipulating me, then I will applaud him for his success after this game. I suggest you vote with him today if you are still town.

Oh, and the information you got last night might be off because I think there's probably a framer in the game. By the way I'm the armorsmith so stop being a douche to me. I'm not giving you armor because I suspect you might be culted and have been for some time.

[Joffrey]

I didn't check you last night.

[Cersei]

Good, so don't try to cult me, little boy.

[Joffrey]

I haven't once tried to get Sandor lynched. I suspected that he might be a godfather because he was behaving like one, but this is definitely not the way I'd expect him to play a cult leader. He was always serf/godfather in my eyes. The only moment I really thought he might be the cult leader was when he asked to be masoned, while he knew that his stance in the day chat would make him a target for lynches and thus he also knew that he was an inappropriate target for masoning. Maybe I'm wrong about him, maybe I'm not.

I may be voting for the same person as Sandor is, but that's mainly because I approve of Ser Jorah's approach and the way he sees the situation. I'm feeling the same way. We're all really paranoid, but at least Ser Jorah and I suspect the same people and I'm much more comfortable with that than doing the orange mafia's bidding. If Ser Jorah understands the way I think and is manipulating me, then I will applaud him for his success after this game. I suggest you vote with him today if you are still town.

Oh, and the information you got last night might be off because I think there's probably a framer in the game. By the way I'm the armorsmith so stop being a douche to me. I'm not giving you armor because I suspect you might be culted and have been for some time.

I found the armorsmith and you are not it. Stop lying.

[Cersei]

Ok culted investigator kid. Now lynch Ser Ilyn with us.

[Oberyn]

Of course the cult is a threat. So go out and kill cultists tonight instead of likely serfs. That will reduce their voting power. If we don't lynch the cult leader for another day, you are forced to work in our best interests instead of your own.

Mafia night kills have all been anti-town so far except eddard. I'm not even including Jaime because that was obviously intended to hit a confirmed town PR. Go and kill some scum, scumbags.
We killed Executioner, Ghost and culted town that you would never have guessed to check early on. Tell me that all that was anti-town, just try.


@Oberyn: If you are deverting so much effort into taking out the cult, why did you kill Aemon, an obvious non-cult?

We had valid reasons for suspecting Aemon, you'll see them when our night chat opens up. Btw, Khal Drogo was also one of our suspects.


I like how Jon signalizes us, while browsing this thread that he hasn´t possessed anybody and a neutral got him killed. This is just amazing don´t you agree?
A mafia got him killed and possessing is a night action, if he didn't do it already, he can't now.

The orange mafia clearly didn't try to stop the cult. I think the red mafia tried to attack the orange mafia.

Blocking who I thought Red mafia would kill was certainly not trying to stop a last recruit since recruiting happens before killing.

I think the red mafia tried to attack the orange mafia.
Do you see any missing kills from Red Mafia? You blind bro. Yea they killed Eddard, but I got even with them during the day.

It's funny that I'm the one that blew Red Team away with my Bronn, Rodrik and Yoren connection.
Btw, I warned that Vig to stay hidden and avoid the interceptor. Not my fault he didn't take my good advice.


I found the armorsmith and you are not it. Stop lying.
The armorsmith is well hidden, I doubt anyone will find him in day chat. Keep it quiet, if you got an armorsmith result, that means he still isn't culted, I might start putting my interceptor on him to keep tabs on him.

[Joffrey]

I found the armorsmith from day chat. It's no proof that the armorsmith's not culted. He could still be culted for all I know.

[Cersei]

Yeah because you clearly wanted to kill the executioner and the ghost and the culted serf because they were enemies of you as the mafia. It was all part of your ingenious plan. You actually just underlined the fact that you managed to kill 4 people (if I include Aemon) that had effects you didn't intend in the first place (because I expect you killed the culted serf because he was "confirmed town"). You are way too proud for my tastes, Oberyn. You are not quite so flawless at your reads as you like to think you are and I'll have no part in your plans.


The armorsmith is well hidden, I doubt anyone will find him in day chat. Keep it quiet, if you got an armorsmith result, that means he still isn't culted, I might start putting my interceptor on him to keep tabs on him.
Yes, do this please. That will actually be useful to kill Joffrey's new boss (assuming he's culted).

[Cersei]

I found the armorsmith from day chat. It's no proof that the armorsmith's not culted. He could still be culted for all I know.

Like you found out how Ser Davos absolutely couldn't be the jailer? Please.

[Joffrey]

Like you found out how Ser Davos absolutely couldn't be the jailer? Please.

I won't tell you how I found the armorsmith. I know you're dying to know. Too bad.

[Cersei]

I won't tell you how I found the armorsmith. I know you're dying to know. Too bad.

I'd rather rely on the judgement of grownups, thanks. Go play on your throne and execute Ser Ilyn.

[Robb]

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5769677

-vote Ser Ilyn

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5769684

[Cersei]

Not sure if this is one of those "I will vote for this guy so you should think you shouldn't vote for him" votes.

The WIFOM is strong in this one.

[Joffrey]

So I think this is the cult lineup:
Sandor
Petyr
Cersei
Robb
Ser Jorah?

[Cersei]

So I think this is the cult lineup:
Sandor
Petyr
Cersei
Robb
Ser Jorah?

Because the entire cult would band together to lynch someone in broad daylight without convincing anyone else to vote first? Your reads are really disappointing.

[Joffrey]

Because the entire cult would band together to lynch someone in broad daylight without convincing anyone else to vote first? Your reads are really disappointing.

This is not from the votes, you bitch. I already gave my analysis of you and why I think you're in the cult. Sandor and Petyr basically claimed to be in the cult. Robb is likely in the cult because of what he's said and done. Don't think I'm so stupid.

Ser Jorah is iffy.