Day 5 - Holy Men and Heretics

[Forum Mafia GM]

With the coming of dawn, there were no longer volunteers for patrol. Those forced to patrol were already on edge before they began, and by the end, many were considering spending the rest of their days locked in a hole somewhere.

The first body they came across was of the woman known as Catelyn, who was found dead in one of the back streets leading towards the lodging she was staying at. Adorned in armor, the woman looked like she had been stabbed through the back multiple times, and then dismembered with the blood-soaked blade that lay discarded beside her. The blade that did it was so sharp it seemed capable of cleaving the armor she wore in two. Upon closer inspection of her corpse, the guards found a silver necklace adorned with the same sigil Father Matthew's letter was sealed with. It seemed that her claims the previous day, which the guards had not believed due to her feminine appearance, were actually true. She was the last bastion of defense against Count Dracula's thralls, a Paladin.

She left a last will:

Let it be known that this night I shall smite the supposed Jailor, Ser Davos. It's interesting how his existence has faded into the fog of memory today, however if I were the cult leader a jailor would be an extremely tempting target to have on my team.

Upon stopping by the house of the man known as Yoren, it was discovered that the man's door was ajar. While the guards grimly steeled themselves to the tragedy they had come to expect constantly, it was still not an easy sight to behold. Yoren lay slumped over his desk, his blood and brain matter sprayed all over the compendiums that laid still open on that same desk. The cause of death seemed to be a small cylindrical hole through the back of the head, which they wagered was a gunshot wound of some sort. While they were there, they decided to take a look around, and upon finding a still-open hidden cellar door, they descended into what appeared to be a study for a practitioner of the dark arts. In the center of the room, what was left of a solomonic magic circle was still drawn with what appeared to be chalk, and in the middle of it, lay Tyrion. Clasped around his right ankle was a metal bear trap, and it seemed whomever had committed the murder upon him had taken the advantage of the opportunity given to him. Tyrion's eyes had been removed by a vicious ceremonial dagger, which rested upon a small table full of various other tools, though the eyes were oddly missing. In one of his eyesockets, what seemed like smelted silver still cooled. In his other, the barrel of the gun that had likely been the cause of Yoren's death was lodged with seeming force.

While some guards left to search Tyrion's home, those who stayed behind concluded that Yoren was a Warlock. Not many seemed to mind when they desecrated what remained of Yoren's corpse before dragging it along the streets to be buried. In Tyrion's home they found his journal, detailing months of rambling about how he knew that 'they' had come and that 'they' would try and take him but he prepared a special weapon for just such an occasion. It seemed that Tyrion was also known as Dr. Adolf von Helsing, the 'expert' vampire hunter.
Tyrion left a last will:

I will shoot Yoren. Tell me is Helsing any good?

When those who visited Jon's house emerged, only one remained lucid enough to describe the sight within. He recounted the sight in great detail. The inside of the one-room house was painted with blood, as if a gigantic, overfilled balloon had exploded at it's center. Darker spots appeared almost as if runes, and the liquidity of them caused them to move as if dancing. While one would expect the blood to have dried by now, or at least pooled mostly upon the floor, it had not. It continued to flow down the walls, true, but for some reason never seemed to thin, nor did it rub off onto the hands of those who dared to touch it. Those who did, however, began to speak of hearing voices, and while those unaffected had said that they heard nothing, their worry grew fiercer, until suddenly they simply quieted. Then they attacked one another, tearing at each other with hands and weapon alike while the others watched on in stunned horror. They killed each other before their eyes, and none of them did anything to stop it. He then simply walked away, cautioning no one else to approach the house, that it was 'cursed'.

Role List:



Richard The Flayer
Nosferatu Devout
Nosferatu Devout
Anya Nighthawk
Child of the Stars
Child of the Stars
Count Dracula (Cult Leader)
Cursed
Bishop(Mason Enforcer)
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Serf
Serf
Serf
Serf
Serf
Serf
Serf
Serf


Possible Random Roles:
Vampires(Nosferatu Devout/Child of the Stars): Trapper(Inteceptor), Illusionist(Disguiser), Bloodmage(Grave Robber), Seductress/Playboy(Consort), Butcher(Janitor), Diabolist(Framer), Larcenist(Consigliere)
Town: Sergeant (Sheriff), Spy (Investigator), Snoop (Detective), Carriage Driver (Bus Driver), Sentinel (Lookout), Apothecary (Doctor), Mortician (Coroner), Gaelor (Jailor), Schizophreniac (Veteran), Fiddler (Escort), Tinkerer (Gunsmith), Blacksmith (Armorsmith)
Cursed: Pupil (Student), Fool (Jester), Nemesis (Executioner), Necrophiliac (Amnesiac), Phantom (Ghost), Coward (Survivor)
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Graveyard:
Arya (Serf) - Found brutalized in her home, drained of blood. (Night 1)
Syrio (Nemesis) - Found slumped over the body of his deceased children, drained of blood. (Night 1)
Eddard (Butcher) - Found eviscerated and tortured in the Cathedral Square, tied to a table. (Night 2)
Ser Berristan (Sergeant) - Found dead in Cathedral Square, drained of blood. (Night 2)
Renly (Carriage Driver) - His head was found within his blood stained carriage, a bear trap chained to it's rear axle. (Night 3)
Theon (Serf) - Found dead outside his home, impaled with a multitude of sharpened stakes, his throat torn. (Night 3)
Jaime (Serf) - Found dead in an alley, twisted by black magic and cut to shreds. (Night 3)
Bronn (Larcenist) - Executed in the blessed fountain in front of Adelaide Cathedral. (Day 4)
Catelyn (Paladin) - Found in the street, dismembered by her own blade. (Night 4)
Yoren (Warlock) - Found dead in his home, shot in the back of the head. (Night 4)
Tyrion (Dr. Adolf von Helsing) - Found in the cellar of Yoren's home, his eyes removed, with a bear trap clasped around his ankle. (Night 4)
Jon (Phantom) - Presumed dead, his house inflicted by a terrible curse that will likely never lift. (Night 4)
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The day will end at: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=St+Louis+Missouri+7%3A00+pm%2C+Saturday+May+12+ 2012.

You require 12 votes to lynch. Once a hammer vote has been cast, it cannot be undone.

[Viserys]

well looks like we need a new paladin, massive serf claims incoming

[Sandor]

FUCKEN NOOBS! MASON ME!

-Ser Gregor

[Sandor]

-Ser Gregor

[Stannis]

Well. Didn't Bronn claim to have checked Ser Gregor and that one of his teammates freaked out when they tried to kill him. I'd say he's a good bet for lynch today.

[Stannis]

Getting rid of the Cult Leader would be a good idea because we have a chance at hitting two birds with one stone. A culted mafia member, and the cult leader.

[Daenerys]

well looks like we need a new paladin, massive serf claims incoming

We Choo Choo Massive Serf Claims I Heard

[Viserys]

Tyrion was spending a fair amount of time online last night so unless he is the bishop (which I bet he isn't) he is scum

[Viserys]

FUCKEN NOOBS! MASON ME!

-Ser Gregor

God please don't mason him... anyone else?

[Petyr]

Tyrion was spending a fair amount of time online last night so unless he is the bishop (which I bet he isn't) he is scum

Tyrion (Dr. Adolf von Helsing) - Found in the cellar of Yoren's home, his eyes removed, with a bear trap clasped around his ankle. (Night 4)

Good call.

-vote Ser Gregor
It pains me Jon turned out to be a ghost and not a mafia, but oh well.

[Khal Drogo]

Oh yea! what time is it? It's TRAIN TIME!

-vote Ser Gregor

[Daenerys]

Oh Yes, Thank You For Reminding Me
-Vote Ser Gregor

[Oberyn]

I'm in complete agreement that we need to find the cult leader. And based on the fact that one of the mafias attacked a mason, I do believe that the cult has infiltrated the red mafia Bronns last will indicated.

It could be Gregor, he avoided answering about his investigation results yesterday.

I am however really disappointed that Bronn was lynched so early yesterday. I never saw the jailor post and am not sure if he had time to jail anyone. Also, Rodrik never got a chance to defend himself from my accusation. So, shame on Joffrey for hammering.

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WHOA!!! WHOAA!!! Slow it down! Day is just starting, yes, lynch Gregor, but please give everyone some time to post.

[Daenerys]

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WHOA!!! WHOAA!!! Slow it down! Day is just starting, yes, lynch Gregor, but please give everyone some time to post.

...
Choo Choo
All Aboard

[Sandor]

I'm in complete agreement that we need to find the cult leader. And based on the fact that one of the mafias attacked a mason, I do believe that the cult has infiltrated the red mafia Bronns last will indicated.

It could be Gregor, he avoided answering about his investigation results yesterday.

I am however really disappointed that Bronn was lynched so early yesterday. I never saw the jailor post and am not sure if he had time to jail anyone. Also, Rodrik never got a chance to defend himself from my accusation. So, shame on Joffrey for hammering.

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WHOA!!! WHOAA!!! Slow it down! Day is just starting, yes, lynch Gregor, but please give everyone some time to post.

STFU ORANGE GODFATHER! YOU ARE NEXT TOMORROW!

[Ser Gregor]

What..

Don't you think we should focus on someone scummier... like samwell.

[Viserys]

btw -vote ser gregor bitch should have just gone with the lynch of your own mafia rather than freaking out and revealing yourself

[Oberyn]

@ Sandor
I'm well aware that I can't confirm my role until both GFs, the cult leader and possible jester are dead, and I'm sure you know there is nothing I can do to defend myself other than my word.

But I'd avoid directing the masons as much as possible with the interceptor still alive. I'm sure the Bishop can make a good decision on his own without it being advertised. If he chooses me then so be it, if not, I'll continue to do my best to find the other scum.

I find it odd that you make this accusation while you claim citizen by asking the masons to take you. You've done nothing to contribute to this game other than post yellow spam every day and bashing how retarded everyone is. Oh btw, I'd like to point out your reply #141 on day 3. The only thing you have going for you is that Catelyn smited you, then again.. the GM did drop the hint that smiting the cult leader does nothing.

There is still a random neutral out there and unless Janos lied, that would be a jester.

[Stannis]

-vote Ser Gregor

[Joffrey]

I found a Mason/Doctor/Cultist/Witch last night.

[Joffrey]

Based on the night's events, I can be fairly sure that I found either a Doctor or a Cultist. I don't want to reveal the name of my target because of the possibility of outing another protection role. So far I'm 1 for 2.

[Melisandre]

I think Ser Gregor has some explaining to do to the citizens of Westeros based on that last will.

The Lord of Light is not pleased with this turn of events. The Paladin and the Vigilante being struck down in the same night...Certainly not a productive night, though Yoren is no longer a concern. And it appears Jon Snow's aggressive attitude was warranted due to his coming back from the grave to haunt others.

Joffrey appears to be working for our side...suddenly I must trust the false king and be wary of he whom I support: Stannis Baratheon.

[Ser Loras]

I will be away for a few hours so I don't vote him now, only when I get back, I don't want a random hammer.
Nothing happened to me tonight.

[Stannis]

I think Ser Gregor has some explaining to do to the citizens of Westeros based on that last will.

The Lord of Light is not pleased with this turn of events. The Paladin and the Vigilante being struck down in the same night...Certainly not a productive night, though Yoren is no longer a concern. And it appears Jon Snow's aggressive attitude was warranted due to his coming back from the grave to haunt others.

Joffrey appears to be working for our side...suddenly I must trust the false king and be wary of he whom I support: Stannis Baratheon.

I think we will get along smashingly

[Joffrey]

This day goes slowly.

[Petyr]

This day goes slowly.

Almost a third of the people here are scum, what did you expect?

[Cersei]

Yoren dead = good and the phantom is now out to kill one of the covens I guess. If anyone else visited Yoren last night, please tell us who the trapper is.

I'm actually quite glad that they killed Catelyn first and not the Bishop. This way there's a better chance that the inquisitors will survive and get a new recruit, because the Bishop is still hidden and hopefully won't die. For that reason, it's probably best if joffrey doesn't reveal his target from last night. Unfortunately it's quite likely that Joffrey already got culted, or will get culted tonight.

I'm not comfortable with it that the last will of a coven member is being used as the grounds for a lynch train. As far as I'm concerned the information isn't trustworthy enough. Ser Gregor could be the cult leader. Then again, the "investigation results" from Bronn could simply be lies altogether. We don't know if Ser Rodrik and Ser Gregor are actually in the serf pairing at all. I would suggest caution and not training him prematurely.

@ the whole Sandor thing. What's curious is that Sandor asked to be culted first and now he asks to be masoned. Is he really a bored serf? Or is he scum who wants to claim PR WIFOMing to be serf if it fails? Asking to be culted is something I might have done if I were the cult leader myself, in an attempt to throw the bishop off.

And I don't trust Stannis. He just became active all of a sudden and his behavior and suggestions are really iffy and not very well argumented.

Ser Davos really needs to speak up. He is not cleared by last night's smiting because it's possible that he also got healed. And now that it won't be possible to protect or smite him tonight, he will be a prime dracula target.

[Lord Varys]

-Vote Ser Gregor

He has been my top suspect since D1, acting scummy, and flat-out refusing to answer questions.

While I think Ser Gregor is scum, do remember that Bronn was also scum. The whole "member freaking out over kill target" thing doesn't sound very authentic.

Also, about culting...

Do people know when they recieve cult protection?
Does armour prevent culting?

[Stannis]

A: Ser Gregor isn't talking whatsoever
B: He hasn't roleclaimed yet

He's waiting for Joffrey and any other investigative roles to claim their results so he can claim a random role and get away scot free. Don't be fooled

[Samwell]

Mason me please.
I'm Serf accpect that.
Ill be here tomorrow with a rap and to have a discussion.

[Aemon]

I am getting impatient, these not so little things are still too small. They need to grow faster! Perhaps I should give them a good ol' firebath tonight.

Due to recent events...

Tyrion was spending a fair amount of time online last night so unless he is the bishop (which I bet he isn't) he is scum
...I have decided that Viserys is no longer my heir, he is simply too stupid for that. Only Daenerys can now take my place on the iron throne after we conquer it. With dragons.

[Ser Jorah]

I still can't believe that Joffrey hammered the lynch when we had plenty of day left. I think Ser Gregor is a good lynch but for obvious reasons I'm not adding my vote to the train yet - I see that train being hammered super early.

Now I'm assuming that Jon was killed by a mafia team (in which case I hope we'll be seeing him come back to help us lynch scum). We're also working under the assumption that Tyrion was killed by the Interceptor, and Catelyn was stabbed with her own blade because of the vampires as well?

Also I'm still suspicious of Joffrey and these results are hardly compelling. While outing the last Mason would be catastrophic, why is Joffrey under the impression there is a Doctor in the game? I'm worried that Joffrey is either not an Investigator, or is a Culted Investigator, simply setting up an alibi for future reference (and if the cult member he is helping turns out to be cult... Joffrey just says 'oh well told you they may have been cult!').

[Ser Jorah]

The role card states that the Doctor is notified when his heal is successful, but there's no mention anywhere of whether the target is notified (of an unsuccessful heal). Either they aren't, nobody has reported being healed, or there is no Doctor in the game.

Are the Doctor's targets informed that they have been healed, successful or otherwise?

[Aemon]

I believe the false king is starting to show his true identity, when there was a 75% chance to reveal a town member then he gladly did so. But when there is only a 50% chance of his target being town then he is reluctant to share his information...

Even though my dragons are not yet of age I could force them to awaken their killing instinct if only I had a silver sword, then I could purge the false king from his throne and save this land.

[Cersei]

The role card states that the Doctor is notified when his heal is successful, but there's no mention anywhere of whether the target is notified (of an unsuccessful heal). Either they aren't, nobody has reported being healed, or there is no Doctor in the game.

Are the Doctor's targets informed that they have been healed, successful or otherwise?

Chances are that the apothecary healed Joffrey or Ser Davos or something, because in a normal game it's a good idea to heal a confirmed "town" PR. So far there haven't been any nights on which either of the covens didn't kill. Your suggestion that there is no doctor in the game "because nobody has reported to successfully heal yet" is very faulty. Still, the question is a good one.

Anyway, it's good that there are plenty of targets for the Bishop to use lay on hands on. It'll just make it that much harder for the cult to predict who will be masoned, so it'll be harder to get an infiltrator. Still, I would recommend staying away from the "serfs" found by Bronn.

I want to know from Sandor and Robb if either of them was witch controlled on night 3.

[Joffrey]

For those of you criticizing me and my methods, I already had my mistake. I learned from it. I'm not making it again. Although there is no evidence of a doctor, I can't put the possibility of this person failing hard out of my head.

Also yesterday, I hammered because I was going to be afk soon afterward. I didn't know if people would hammer so I did the deed myself.

[Cersei]

For those of you criticizing me and my methods, I already had my mistake. I learned from it. I'm not making it again. Although there is no evidence of a doctor, I can't put the possibility of this person failing hard out of my head.

Also yesterday, I hammered because I was going to be afk soon afterward. I didn't know if people would hammer so I did the deed myself.

I don't even care that much if you've found a doctor. I don't want the Bishop out in the open though.


Upon death, you gain the ability to -possess a target of your choice, using your energy reserves built up during the night to dominate them into being your thrall for the following day.


Was the Phantom able to possess someone today, or will he get to choose a target to possess the next night?


Win Conditions: As an amalgamation of many cursed souls, you seek to devour your host and all of those damned by spilling his haunted blood. You must ensure the death of your host, as well as those foolish enough to fall into your blood trap./QUOTE]
Just to be sure, does this mean the phantom wants the faction that killed him to lose, or the faction that killed his possessed target?

Hey Petyr, I've been double posting. Why don't you vote me? I think your last minute mysterious unvote on day 4 was mega suspicious.

[QUOTE]-unvote Bronn

I doubt he's scum because of how quickly he was jumped on. At worst he's a consigliere that's forced to be open with us.

You were right, he was "just a consigliere" and now you're quickly jumping on Ser Gregor.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Do people know when they recieve cult protection?
Does armour prevent culting?
Yes to both.


Are the Doctor's targets informed that they have been healed, successful or otherwise?
Has the target EVER been informed of an unsuccessful healing? And in the case of not notifying them of a successful healing, what would I tell them? Nothing? That they were attacked and that's it? Cmon. Ofc they're informed.


Was the Phantom able to possess someone today, or will he get to choose a target to possess the next night?

Possession is a night action


Just to be sure, does this mean the phantom wants the faction that killed him to lose, or the faction that killed his possessed target?
The faction that killed him...

[Lord Varys]

Another Role Claim!

Okay. I was targeted by the cult last night. However, there is an armoursmith in the game. I got a little scared for the very first time, so I was wearing the armour which prevented my conversion.

I am a serf. Yeah, you've already got quite a lot of claims. However, as long as you believe me, I have a 0% chance of being culted, and theirfore, the best candidate for your new pally:)

[Cersei]

Another Role Claim!

Okay. I was targeted by the cult last night. However, there is an armoursmith in the game. I got a little scared for the very first time, so I was wearing the armour which prevented my conversion.

I am a serf. Yeah, you've already got quite a lot of claims. However, as long as you believe me, I have a 0% chance of being culted, and theirfore, the best candidate for your new pally:)

Armor is 1 use only. If you have 0% chance of being culted, you must be godfather, bishop, cult leader or already culted. You aren't any better as a candidate than other serf claimers.

[Viserys]

does armour prevent culting?

[Cersei]

does armour prevent culting?

Cut it out with the jester act please.

[Viserys]

Cut it out with the jester act please.

What? It is a valid question and I am too lazy to search the rules :p

[Robb]

Well, if Jon is a good player, whichever faction is screwed, but I don't know who he is, we'll have to be careful.

Now that our Pally is dead, we can test Daenerys, Samwell, Varys, and Gregor.

[Khal Drogo]

Let the testing begin!
Before we do, I have some very important questions that need to be answered, and will determine my stance of things.

Do people know when they receive cult protection?

Does armour prevent culting?

[Cersei]

Well, if Jon is a good player, whichever faction is screwed, but I don't know who he is, we'll have to be careful.

Now that our Pally is dead, we can test Daenerys, Samwell, Varys, and Gregor.

Jon can only possess a target the coming night, because it's a night action and he wasn't dead yet last night.

I think that testing people is of a lower priority than trying to make sure that there are 2 living inquisitors again the next day. You forgot 2 people on your list as well.

And please answer my question. Were you witched night 3?

[Cersei]

Let the testing begin!
Before we do, I have some very important questions that need to be answered, and will determine my stance of things.

Do people know when they receive cult protection?

Does armour prevent culting?

Ha. Ha.

vote Khal Drogo

You have contributed nothing and you're a scummy lurker. You haven't tried to be very obvious scum so I doubt you're a jester.

[Viserys]

if there is anyone who is acting like a jester it is you cesei, I would vote you but we have better leads

[Aemon]

It's funny to see both Viserys and Khal Drogo fighting for Daenerys by seeing who is the most stupid. Off with both their heads I say.

[Khal Drogo]

Ha. Ha.

vote Khal Drogo

You have contributed nothing and you're a scummy lurker. You haven't tried to be very obvious scum so I doubt you're a jester.

What, am I not allowed to mock Viserys now? It's horrifying to me that I'm your main suspicion.

[Cersei]

Viserys might actually be a jester, and randomised actions will hurt the inquisitors at this point.

You on the other hand are not a jester.

[Petyr]

Hey Petyr, I've been double posting. Why don't you vote me? I think your last minute mysterious unvote on day 4 was mega suspicious.


First of all, Jon was a phantom trying to die. So I was right he wasn't town. I'm more inclined to think you're a jackass than scum after your awful ploy in the early days though, so you won't be getting my vote.

And was my mysterious unvote so mysterious? I said at worst we had found the consigliere who would have to keep feeding us information or be lynched when he was incorrect. I still think that was the most logical move as we had no way of knowing he was actually mafia.

Voting for people is more useful than the end result, because when scum believe there is a train they will likely hop on it. I got some useful information from yesterday's train, and some confusing bits too.

Or I'm just really bad at this game and decided to unvote my teammate right before he was lynched. Your deductive skills continue to astound me.

[Oberyn]

Another Role Claim!

Okay. I was targeted by the cult last night. However, there is an armoursmith in the game. I got a little scared for the very first time, so I was wearing the armour which prevented my conversion.

I am a serf. Yeah, you've already got quite a lot of claims. However, as long as you believe me, I have a 0% chance of being culted, and theirfore, the best candidate for your new pally:)
That post is so full of holes.

First you say that you were targeted by the cult last night, why would the cult want you with so many PR claims out there, not to mention that the cult could take over the rest of the red mafias actions? Then I started rereading all your posts again.. Day 3, your only post was to say that you are online. Day 4 you defend Gregor by calling him NorthStar, and saying that NorthStar only lurks when he is citizen which is wrong on so many levels but I don't feel like metagaming to prove it to you. And you also defended Bronn and tried to shift the pressure onto Rodrik. Are you the culted mafia?

Then you claim that there is an armorsmith that gave you armor and that you wore it because you got scared? What did you get scared of? I know you can't be the Red GF since the cult leader would know that you can't be culted but you CAN be the Orange GF and are trying to set up a claim for yourself. Your 0% chance of being culted is total BS, what stops the cult from recruiting you tonight at the same time the masons do?



Well, if Jon is a good player, whichever faction is screwed, but I don't know who he is, we'll have to be careful.

Now that our Pally is dead, we can test Daenerys, Samwell, Varys, and Gregor.

What about me? Even though I still haven't officially claimed citizen, the Jailor pretty much exposed me.. then again the jailor could have lied about my role and I'm really a PR. I'll let the scum think about that tonight.

[Sandor]

Nobody turned me Night 3 into a newt! I am still Sandor aka the hound.
FUCKEN BISHOP DO YOUR WORK TONIGHT!

[Ser Rodrik]

-vote Ser Gregor

[Ser Davos]

I'm still alive you guise know and would like to participate today.
-vote Ser Gregor

[Ser Davos]

-vote Ser Gregor
Fucking BS.

[Ser Davos]

That was also quite an interesting night.

[Oberyn]

Janos, Ser Ilyn and Tywin are the only 3 people who haven't posted yet, once they have had a chance to talk then I'll join in.

Until then, we should use the time we have to discuss.

Ser Davos, you are the only 95% confirmed town today (5% that Catelyn was also roleblocked). Any input from your end would be nice, even input from yesterday.

[Janos]

There is still a random neutral out there and unless Janos lied, that would be a jester.

Correct.

Ser Gregor just makes me lol.
Ser Gregor: "Why are you voting me? There are scummier targets around."
Translation: I am actually scum, but there are more scum around who are more obvious about being scummy than I am. So lynch them, don't lynch me.

What amazes me is, unless I'm just skipping over key words, no one has claimed roleblocked after like, the second day. What happened? We had 3 roleblock claims on day 2. Unless the roleblockers were so unlucky as to have hit the very person that was killed EVERY, SINGLE night. And there were two standard vampire kills every night, so it's not like the escort/consort blocked a known scum who refused to reveal (which is a stupid thing to do).

Lord Varys. You claim to be serf. Why, why, WHY would you be "scared"? It's blatant from your question during day that you didn't know yourself whether armor prevented cult or not, or else you would have just told town "hey guys, btw, I used my armor last night to prevent cult." Your "scared" nature would imply one thing. You were "scared" of dying. Now, I know I already had a discussion with Cersei about the usefulness of serfs in a cult setup like this. But even then, your initial implied objective is still to take a bullet for a town PR. Why did you claim serf? With the phantom dead, the first conclusion cult would have jumped to if they fail to convert you is that you're the Mafia GF. If you kept quiet, and watched for who was pushing a lynch on you, then you'd know who was in the cult. Except you revealed yourself as serf who used armor and just... what?

And then you volunteer to be masoned. Is this some ploy for the Bishop to recruit you, who would fail, and then goading the Bishop to jump out and say "Ha! I couldn't convert you last night, you must be scum!" ? In that case, then I'm erring on the side to believing that you yourself is actually in the cult and trying to get the Bishop to reveal while the Paladin's MIA. And then, since evidence strongly suggests the cult has infiltrated the red Mafia, get them to do Dracula's dirty work of completely eliminating the Masons.

Clever, attempting to foil the Bishop into a failed conversion, especially with the story of the armorsmith to support that you aren't culted yet.

Speaking of the armorsmith, he might want to consider more carefully his targets lol. That's two scum you've attempted to give armor to. I will claim now that I was the recipient of a piece of armor on Night 2. It was meant to be for Bronn, but our lovely carriage driver shifted it to me. It has not been used yet.

Regarding the doctor, I'm inclined to believe there is one simply because there was one the last two failed attempts of this game. However, there has been no sign of the doctor anywhere. Either he's just not been picking very good targets, or he's been culted and is practically healing Dracula every night. For town's sake, I hope it's the former.

[Sandor]

Fucken stoopids, Jester claimed to be roleblocked to get later autolynched when no roleblockers are possible anymore.

They see me fucken, they haten.

[Janos]

Fucken stoopids, Jester claimed to be roleblocked to get later autolynched when no roleblockers are possible anymore.

Actually, considering there were 3 roleblock claims on Day 2, and no roleblockers dead in the graveyard yet, and because it's impossible to have 3 jesters, there are some fudging around with this roleblock business.

[Tywin]

I don't see a lot of strong scumhunting going on, just people accusing each other while also training on Gregor. There is potential for today to explore, we still have time to discuss before hammering Gregor.

For that reason I will withhold my vote because I don't know what the current tally is at right now. Joffrey really f**cked us up yesterday by hammering and we lost 24 hours of scumhunting time. I will vote when day is near to end.

Viserys is freakin stupid.

[Cersei]

Or I'm just really bad at this game and decided to unvote my teammate right before he was lynched. Your deductive skills continue to astound me.

There was some discussion going on about Rodrik and Yoren at that point. Maybe you wanted to set a trend with that unvote and hoped that the town would be left with enough indecision for no lynch to go through again? You don't have to be an immediate ally to Bronn to benefit from that. The cult would benefit much as well. What seemed scummy about it to me is that you didn't vote for an alternative. It seemed like you said "well, we can't be sure enough to lynch Bronn so I'll unvote and leave you to it."

If we ignore the fact that Bronn flipped consigliere, do you think a no lynch would've been better than a lynch on potential/likely scum?


-vote Ser Gregor
U liek trainz? :smile:


Fucken stoopids, Jester claimed to be roleblocked to get later autolynched when no roleblockers are possible anymore.

They see me fucken, they haten.
Did you or did you not get witch manipulated on night 3?

Ser Davos:
You need to talk. Nobody has claimed to have been jailed night 3 or night 4. Do you have any idea why not?

As for the roleblockers, Daenerys claimed RB on night 3. It's possible that a consort was sent to perform the orange coven's night kill after the janitor died or someone was blocked and didn't speak up about it. I'd actually appreciate it if Robb roleclaimed to help us solve the roleblocks mystery, but it's up to him if he wants to do that. He's basically confirmed veteran/escort/consort...

[Cersei]

Nobody turned me Night 3 into a newt! I am still Sandor aka the hound.
FUCKEN BISHOP DO YOUR WORK TONIGHT!

What about night 4?


Ser Davos, you are the only 95% confirmed town today (5% that Catelyn was also roleblocked). Any input from your end would be nice, even input from yesterday.
You forget some possibilities here.
Nobody has reported witched. Maybe catelyn was witched.
It's also possible that Catelyn smote him and that he was healed.
Ser Davos might also have received armor, which gave him smiting immunity.

I'd say it's more like 70-30 in favor of Ser Davos being town.

[Oberyn]

You forget some possibilities here.
Nobody has reported witched. Maybe catelyn was witched.
It's also possible that Catelyn smote him and that he was healed.
Ser Davos might also have received armor, which gave him smiting immunity.

I'd say it's more like 70-30 in favor of Ser Davos being town.

Fair enough, I still find his prolonged silence disturbing.


I [...] would like to participate today.
Speek dammit!

[Cersei]

Ser Tally

Ser Gregor[9] - Sandor, Petyr, Khal Drogo, Daenerys, Viserys, Stannis, Lord Varys, Ser Rodrik, Ser Davos
Khal Drogo[1] - Cersei

12 votes required to lynch.

Ser Gregor is already at L-3, being scum trained like a boss. We still have more than a day to talk. Most on the Ser Gregor vote pile seem to be in favor of a cult victory to me. Sure he could be scum, but the way you all are voting him without even trying to get any additional information out during the day based on the last will of a MAFIA MEMBER disturbs me.

[Petyr]

There was some discussion going on about Rodrik and Yoren at that point. Maybe you wanted to set a trend with that unvote and hoped that the town would be left with enough indecision for no lynch to go through again? You don't have to be an immediate ally to Bronn to benefit from that. The cult would benefit much as well. What seemed scummy about it to me is that you didn't vote for an alternative. It seemed like you said "well, we can't be sure enough to lynch Bronn so I'll unvote and leave you to it."

If we ignore the fact that Bronn flipped consigliere, do you think a no lynch would've been better than a lynch on potential/likely scum?


You know who else having a consigliere forced to reveal their results every day helps? The town. We're taking away one of their resources and repurposing it to become a free investigator. That's more useful in my opinion than lynching him and losing that resource. He had no choice but to give us correct results every day, and explain why he investigated the people that he did. If he wouldn't play by our rules then he'd get lynched anyway.

Now that's the last time I'm going to explain that to you. So if you're not going to read what I wrote, then I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore.

[Oberyn]

I'm still alive you guise know and would like to participate today.
-vote Ser Gregor


You know who else having a consigliere forced to reveal their results every day helps? The town. We're taking away one of their resources and repurposing it to become a free investigator. That's more useful in my opinion than lynching him and losing that resource. He had no choice but to give us correct results every day, and explain why he investigated the people that he did. If he wouldn't play by our rules then he'd get lynched anyway.

Now that's the last time I'm going to explain that to you. So if you're not going to read what I wrote, then I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore.

You mean his: "I was witched, I donno who I checked" and his "I checked the dead guy" and "I found a cit"? Yea... some help that was, I bet he lied all 3 days.

[Oberyn]

Hmm... looks like I have to uncheck the multi quote thing or it keeps quoting.

[Petyr]

You mean his: "I was witched, I donno who I checked" and his "I checked the dead guy" and "I found a cit"? Yea... some help that was, I bet he lied all 3 days.

He said he was witched and Yoren said he targeted Rodrick. That's two people that came up cit/gf/cult leader/jester. And that was his last defense before he was lynched, leading me to believe that they were two correct results.

[Cersei]

You mean his: "I was witched, I donno who I checked" and his "I checked the dead guy" and "I found a cit"? Yea... some help that was, I bet he lied all 3 days.

Indeed. I was of Petyr's opinion on day 2, but he just proved that his information wasn't going to be helpful in any way. So no point in keeping him around. If more people had voted Yoren, I would've gone for a lynch on him over Bronn. But when that became impossible, lynching Bronn was the best course of action.


He said he was witched and Yoren said he targeted Rodrick. That's two people that came up cit/gf/cult leader/jester. And that was his last defense before he was lynched, leading me to believe that they were two correct results.
Yoren had no reason to tell us the truth. We still don't know for sure whom Bronn targeted. Ser Gregor we also don't know for sure to be in the serf pairing. Bronn's last will could've been meant to frame Ser Gregor, which makes the investigation result on him less reliable.

[Petyr]

Yoren had no reason to tell us the truth. We still don't know for sure whom Bronn targeted. Ser Gregor we also don't know for sure to be in the serf pairing. Bronn's last will could've been meant to frame Ser Gregor, which makes the investigation result on him less reliable.

And where is Ser Gregor during all of this? What do you get out of keeping someone alive that has made no real attempts at defending themselves?

[Cersei]

Ser Gregor hasn't done anything in particular that raised any flags with me. I don't care much about him, but I do care that there are plenty of questions to be answered and instead of cooperating in putting the pieces of the puzzle together, people are voting Ser Gregor and staying silent afterwards. I'm also surprised that players like Stannis or Khal Drogo still aren't taking any flak while people are all over Ser Gregor. Based on a lead from a dead mafia and not much else.

[Oberyn]

Cersei, I have to agree with you that there are many questions that need answering. The lack of discussion today is disheartening. We've managed to reach L-3 with only a scums last will to go on. The only thing that is persuading me to join that lynch is the fact that Ser Gregor hasn't even tried to defend himself, he hasn't claimed anything to counter Bronns claim on him and has most of all avoided the issue as much as possible.

I also find it frustrating that I don't know if I can trust Joffrey or not. I was really hoping that Catelyn would smite him last night.

I want to hear more from Rodrik today, he didn't have a chance to defend himself yesterday from my accusation on him. And all he has done today is vote Gregor and left. Trying to go back under the radar.

[Lord Varys]

First you say that you were targeted by the cult last night, why would the cult want you with so many PR claims out there, not to mention that the cult could take over the rest of the red mafias actions
Then I started rereading all your posts again.. Day 3, your only post was to say that you are online. Day 4 you defend Gregor by calling him NorthStar, and saying that NorthStar only lurks when he is citizen which is wrong on so many levels but I don't feel like metagaming to prove it to you. And you also defended Bronn and tried to shift the pressure onto Rodrik. Are you the culted mafia?

Then you claim that there is an armorsmith that gave you armor and that you wore it because you got scared? What did you get scared of? I know you can't be the Red GF since the cult leader would know that you can't be culted but you CAN be the Orange GF and are trying to set up a claim for yourself. Your 0% chance of being culted is total BS, what stops the cult from recruiting you tonight at the same time the masons do?
Your first statement is one that I can't answer. I can't say for sure WHY I was targeted, but I was. Probably because I was not high up at all on the inquisitions mind. Maybe because I wasn’t being a sheep.

The second part about Gregor is the opposite of what was happening. I believed, and still do, that Bronn's investigation result on Gregor was genuine. Therefore, I pointed out that I strongly believed Gregor was Northstar, and that was NOT lurking to the point he normally does as citizen. I started to try and question him a little bit on whether Bronn was correct. However, as normal, I was met with trolling/question dodging from Gregor. Since the Bronn waggon was building up much potential, and Ser Gregor had done the exact same thing D2 without punishment, I gave up.

For the Bronn case, you were ultimately correct in lynching scum. However, you were voting for Bronn for the wrong reasons; because you thought he was the Cult Leader. The case was actually pretty ridiculous, how you honestly thought that the loudest person was actually the Cult Leader? I was very surprised that I was the only one sceptical about this. Instead of mindlessly bandwagoning, I pointed out the big and obvious flaw, and asked you to rethink the bandwagon, then voted for a person who actually COULD be the cult leader. While Bronn did flip scum, it was not for any of the reasons you were giving. Bronn and Yoren weren’t even on the same team.

As for using my armour, I decided to do it because so far, the mafia have mainly been targeting people who have been standing out, whether for being confirmed town in last will or being important people in the day’s events. While I had absolutely no reason to suspect death N2, and internet issues immediately followed by a hectic day D3 led to lurk city, I was going against the big waggon D4, and therefore standing out. Despite the waggon still turning out successful, I was still a little worried of being targeted, and decided that since I received it N1, I might as well use it. While I wasn’t targeted by a night kill, I was targeted by the cult. Since it didn’t say in the armour PM that it prevented culting, and the “Cult targeting me” PM was vague, I asked to make sure I was certain of the cause of the failed conversion. I then decided to reveal the existence of the armoursmith, the fact I was targeted by the cult, and my role. While I was having holes when I claimed being confirmed non-cult, since I was forgetting that there was no way to prove it, and the only people who knew I was non-cult were myself and the cult, my serf claim stands.

However, I have a question for you. Why are you so certain that Bronn is telling the truth? The only people who should know whether those events actually took place are the flayers and the cult.

[Cersei]

Alright, so armorsmith targets:

1) Lord Varys
2) Bronn->Janos
3) ???
4) ???

Ser Davos was outed on day 3. If Ser Davos received armor the night after (night 3, which would be a likely choice!), it's possible that he used it to survive Catelyn's smite on night 4.

[Oberyn]

However, I have a question for you. Why are you so certain that Bronn is telling the truth?

I not certain at all. But Gregor is avoiding the topic completely. Until he gives an adequate defense, he seems to be on everyones mind.

And Yes, I admit that I got my accusation wrong and ended up lynching a scum anyways, however, I still think that Yoren and Bronn knew each others true role/faction since Bronn started to defend Yoren. And I'm still waiting to hear Rodriks defense, until that happens, I'm looking for whatever connections and oddities I can from the first 4 days. Sometimes I'm right and sometimes I'm wrong, most of the time I just get lucky.

[Ser Davos]

If Gregor is a clever Jester, I'm going to -double facepalm-.

[Sandor]

All evver happened to me was getting smoted from the paladeen. I was never witch controlled and i am not detection immune. I may or may not received items.

Sir Gregore is scum to 100%. Vote Sir Gregor!

[Cersei]

All evver happened to me was getting smoted from the paladeen. I was never witch controlled and i am not detection immune. I may or may not received items.

Sir Gregore is scum to 100%. Vote Sir Gregor!

Thank you Sandor. I asked because you commented on the "fucken witch" day 4, much like you complained about the paladeen on day 3.


If Gregor is a clever Jester, I'm going to -double facepalm-.
Could you please be forthcoming with some information about your recent activity? How is it possible that we have had no reports of anyone being jailed the past 2 days? And if you did jail someone, don't you think it's suspicious that they haven't said anything?

How come you weren't present on day 4? Were you blackmailed?

Did you get a message saying that Catelyn smote you?

[Oberyn]

Were you blackmailed?

http://cdn.styleforum.net/4/4a/350x700px-LL-4ad90b08_Not-sure-if-serious2.jpeg

[Cersei]

Silence! I was trying to poll if he was paying attention to the game.

The other questions still stand.

[Cersei]

Lurk, lurk, lurk your game
What is the result?
Dracula dracula dracula dracula
Winning with the cult

[Ser Gregor]

I would like to hear more from Sir Rodrik.. All he did was vote for me.. ugh.

[Viserys]

Viserys is freakin stupid.

to be honest I've just stopped caring about this game, it is dragging on and my life is getting busy fast

[Joffrey]

I would like to hear more from Sir Rodrik.. All he did was vote for me.. ugh.

Claim a role in one hour or I will vote you, bringing you one vote closer to your death.

[Cersei]

I think his claim will be a formality. Everyone already knows what he's going to claim.

[Joffrey]

I think his claim will be a formality. Everyone already knows what he's going to claim.

Depending on the effectiveness of the claim, I will consider not voting him. Although it is more likely that I will vote him right after his claim.

[Cersei]

Ser Davos still hasn't responded to any questions and neither has Robb. I'd rather not see a hammer until they have.

[Robb]

Fuck, just got home after posting during lunch.

I was not witched Night 3.

I want to see Gregor defend himself.

[Robb]

This day is 91 posts long.

*derp clap*

Come out, silly lurkers.

[Lord Varys]

I want to see Gregor defend himself.

If thats all you want, your wasting your time and may as well pull the plug on the day.

[Lord Varys]

-vote Ser Gregor
Didn't notice this.

So whats up Rodrik?

[Robb]

If thats all you want, your wasting your time and may as well pull the plug on the day.

True.
We all know what he's going to claim.
He's just scummy as fuck.

I'll still wait a little.
I'll give him 12 hours.

[Joffrey]

I see no claim. I gave him a chance to defend himself. Now I will fulfill what I said I would do.

-Vote Ser Gregor

[Oberyn]

L-2

Normally I'd be all over you Joffrey for trying to end this day early again.. but everyone has had a chance to say something (except Ser Ilyn) and with everyone lurking and avoiding questions and the rate this day has gone.. I don't blame you for voting now.

I think this town is in agreement on who is getting lynched today and no one wants to talk about anything else.
So -vote Ser Gregor

I guess we'll continue all the questioning and arguing tomorrow when we find out what Gregor is and who else dies tonight.

Ser Gregor is now L-1.
Next vote will hammer.

[Joffrey]

However, I have a question for you. Why are you so certain that Bronn is telling the truth? The only people who should know whether those events actually took place are the flayers and the cult.

Although I've been on beforehand to be able to answer this, I put it off so that I can strike you dumb with a bolt of logic.

First off, we shall start with the givens. 1. Mafia's goal is to destroy their enemies. 2. The cult is the mafias' enemy. 3. The Cult Leader has a vest. 4. Each mafia team has one kill each night.

Next are the assumptions. 1. Bronn was either telling the truth about his teammate or has some suspicion of Ser Gregor of being an enemy of his mafia. 2. Bronn, as mafia, would want to strike at his enemy using the least means possible. 3. A town PR would have claimed by L-4.

Let's take this each step by step. The mafia, who only have one kill each night, find out about one of its member's hesitations about a proposed kill. They ask themselves, "why would he or she do this?" Well, he or she could be in the cult and this target is a part of the cult. Then they ask themselves, "why would he or she defend him so much? If I were in the cult and Ser Gregor was just a cultist I would just say 'fuck it, I need to stay under cover.'" They answer themselves, "Ser Gregor is most likely a cult leader. We can't kill him tonight because we would lose a kill if he hasn't used his vest." So they decide to kill someone else, using the premise of "Ser Gregor is the Cult Leader."

So when Bronn is put on the lynch-light, he sees an opportunity to knock out a major contender in this here game. He must have argued to himself, "Either my mafia needs to attack Ser Gregor twice, or I could have the town lynch this bastard the next day. Killing the cult is in the town's interest, so I'm just going to put this in my last will."

This lynch against Ser Gregor, if the conclusion is correct, will take many a suspicious eye off of some of the towns people, like myself. It will allow trust to more claimed PRs. Not complete trust though, you can still be misled by convincing claims.

There's that bolt of logic for you.

[Melisandre]

If I wield the hammer will that be seen as proactive? Or would it be best to wait to appease the Followers of His Word?

Much suspicion should be placed on those who voted late (L-5) as opposed to those who voted early. Evil knows one of their own is dying and will not lend a hand to spare his soul.

[Joffrey]

If I wield the hammer will that be seen as proactive? Or would it be best to wait to appease the Followers of His Word?

Much suspicion should be placed on those who voted late (L-5) as opposed to those who voted early. Evil knows one of their own is dying and will not lend a hand to spare his soul.

That suspicion goes both ways of the street, woman.

[Oberyn]

At this point, I've given up on the town scum hunting today, no one seems to care. :(

It's alright by me if you hammer. Joffrey, do you have anything to add or should we end the day now?

[Joffrey]

I have nothing more to add except that I'm fairly sure that my target last night isn't cult.

[Melisandre]

That suspicion goes both ways of the street, woman.

I waited much too late in the day to see if Ser Gregor would claim a role. My concerns lie with a Jester. One Cursed remains in this dark world and, should Janos' claims be believed, a Jester remains in our midst. Will we lynch the fool or a reaper?

[Joffrey]

I waited much too late in the day to see if Ser Gregor would claim a role. My concerns lie with a Jester. One Cursed remains in this dark world and, should Janos' claims be believed, a Jester remains in our midst. Will we lynch the fool or a reaper?

You would be a fool to allow this day to not be hammered by one such as yourself.



I, for one, believe Ser Gregor to be either a Cult Leader or a Godfather.

[Melisandre]

Very well. We seem set in stone on our decision. If my death results from lynching a fool, then so be it.

I have no doubt the Lord of Light shall protect me from harm. He shall strike down any who oppose my efforts.

-vote Ser Gregor

[Forum Mafia GM]

The apathy of the first few suns had now metamorphosed into unadulterated bloodlust, with a dull hope that the blood of the monsters would break the damnable curse. Ser Gregor was now called to feed the crops that Adelaide had sown, and the silver watchmen again moved upon the harvest sacrifice. The townspeople wrestled and hooted as public executions gave their boring lifes a necessary thrill.

Ser Gregor smiled unto the dark sunset, as his massive hands rubbed a circular brooch that sat upon his neck. He did not attempt to flee as the guardsmen approached, his eyes entranced by the corrupted golden skies. When the defenders of Adelaide had finally bared their swords to Ser Gregor, he tightened his hand upon the brooch and surreptiously questioned: "Did you enjoy the show, Lord Dalton?"

And just like that, the monolithic oaf and the guardsmen were consumed by the jaws of fire, and their bloody entrails rained upon the most enthusisatic voters. With the Fool's death, a scarlet miasma crept over the town, oddly enough, its showers gave way to flowers revealing a most pleasant message.


Last will:

Oh Hai,

Turns out I was not the Cult Leader! How unfortunate. The scum factor for most of you people is off the charts. I don't see how any of you ever decided to go for me. Oh wells.



Ser Gregor Tally

Ser Gregor[12] - Sandor, Petyr, Khal Drogo, Daenerys, Viserys, Stannis, Lord Varys, Ser Rodrik, Ser Davos, Joffrey, Oberyn, Melisandre
Khal Drogo[1] - Cersei



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkT4vAJnJls&feature=player_detailpage

Night 5 will end: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=St+Louis+Missouri+1%3A00+AM%2C+Sunday+May+13+20 12.