NIght one

[Lord Varys]

Base Actions
-Send llyn to kill Arya
-Send Roddrick to block Oberyn
-Send Bronn to investigate Jon

Setting ground work. We don't realy have much to go by, but if one of you wants to change your target for tonight, go right ahead. We don't need to worry about Cult yet.:)

[Ser Rodrik]

Bronn, that was kinda dumb of you to call pupil night one. Right when I read it, I thought "He's scum."

[Ser Rodrik]

Err day one, rather.

[Ser Ilyn]

Unfortunately, I did not get access to this account until later in the day. At that point, I was busy, so I only had enough time for one post. Oh well.... If the last attempt at FM XII was any indication, lurking will go completely unpunished :D

[Lord Varys]

As long as no one has a risky gambit in mind, I don't see the need for team tactics yet. I'm going to try and act scummy enough to have an investigative role target me, but not to the point I get lynched/jailed.

Bronn should make his own code, as he knows best how to include code words/grammar which will go undetected.

[Bronn]

Bronn, that was kinda dumb of you to call pupil night one. Right when I read it, I thought "He's scum."

It could make me be checked but if I was town I wouldn't worry about being checked. Claiming student is what I would have done if I was an investigator trying to stay alive and trying to gather some information.


As long as no one has a risky gambit in mind, I don't see the need for team tactics yet. I'm going to try and act scummy enough to have an investigative role target me, but not to the point I get lynched/jailed.

Bronn should make his own code, as he knows best how to include code words/grammar which will go undetected.

I don't think you should be acting scummy because if someone does check that will make them more likely to believe you are one of the 2 gfs or the cult leader. Town will be trying to kill the cult leader as quickly as possible so you don't want to be investigated as a cit while looking very scummy. Just play like you would normally do as a cit. Look back at a fm where you were a cit and copy that playstyle.

[Bronn]

I haven't had a proper chance to look through day chat but I can suggest some night actions after then as well as make some codes. With regards to the consort, I think you should block one of the louder people because that is what an escort would do. When it comes to you claiming against an escort you will want to look as believable as possible with your night actions.

[Bronn]

There is something I've always wanted to try but I'm never scum. I think either Rodrik or I should target a member of our own team. I would actually be a very good target to block because I said I would try to take a mentor tonight. If Rodrik is followed, I am observed or Rodrik's body is exhumed by the coroner (who probably isn't there because of how OP he would be against the grave robber) it would help clear me. Even if none of those things happen just saying he blocked me will help when it comes to his role claim.

Alternatively I could claim blocked but still carry out by night action but that carries some more risk. If it is found that we lied then both of us will be lynched.

[Bronn]

If anyone gets culted can you please tell the rest of the team?

The only way we have a chance of winning is if scum work together. By the time the end of the game comes round most of us will already be dead and you can recruit the last person then.

Cult and mafia working together would be the best option, especially if we share night chats and roles with each other. We could create one massive team and use it to defeat the town and other mafia. When the amount of players dwindles we can then have ago at killing or culting each other but I think both teams have a much better chance of winning if we co-operate.

If I find you have been hiding your cultist status from us then we will have to try to kill the cult as well and both of our teams will probably lose.

Any thoughts on me investigating or Rodrik blocking one of our own team?

[Forum Mafia GM]

If anyone gets culted can you please tell the rest of the team?

The only way we have a chance of winning is if scum work together. By the time the end of the game comes round most of us will already be dead and you can recruit the last person then.

Cult and mafia working together would be the best option, especially if we share night chats and roles with each other. We could create one massive team and use it to defeat the town and other mafia. When the amount of players dwindles we can then have ago at killing or culting each other but I think both teams have a much better chance of winning if we co-operate.

If I find you have been hiding your cultist status from us then we will have to try to kill the cult as well and both of our teams will probably lose.

Any thoughts on me investigating or Rodrik blocking one of our own team?

I'd just like to point out that this logic is playing against your win condition.

[Bronn]

I'd just like to point out that this logic is playing against your win condition.

Why would it be? We use the cult to help us kill town then we try to kill the cult. It gives us a better chance of winning than if we all fought with each other.

If we knew who the cult leader was we wouldn't kill him night 1 because we would lose as there would not be enough scum against town. Joining night chats is an extension of this were we would work together to focus on the most powerful faction (town) before we turn on each other in the later game. My win condition is to defeat the town, orange mafia and cult and I intend to do so. A temporary alliance with the cult would benefit both parties but only one would win in the end.

I think I'll go with a normal investigate tonight. Visiting ourselves is a good idea but I might wait a night or two before trying it.

[Bronn]

-Investigate Robb

[Bronn]

Oh yeah codes. I'll make some up and post them in another thread. Why isn't anyone else here? We only have 5 hours left.

[Ser Ilyn]

Why would it be? We use the cult to help us kill town then we try to kill the cult. It gives us a better chance of winning than if we all fought with each other.

If we knew who the cult leader was we wouldn't kill him night 1 because we would lose as there would not be enough scum against town. Joining night chats is an extension of this were we would work together to focus on the most powerful faction (town) before we turn on each other in the later game. My win condition is to defeat the town, orange mafia and cult and I intend to do so. A temporary alliance with the cult would benefit both parties but only one would win in the end.

I think I'll go with a normal investigate tonight. Visiting ourselves is a good idea but I might wait a night or two before trying it.

1) Working with the cult is considered gamethrowing.
2) The problem with that logic is that the cult leader will never work with you for that reason, nor will the culted mafia member in question cooperate... just face the fact that if any one of us is culted, they're gonna do their own thing.

[Bronn]

1) Working with the cult is considered gamethrowing.

Playing against your win condition is considered game throwing. A temporary alliance with the cult means scum won't be destroyed by killing themselves too early which they do in almost every game. I'm not playing to get culted, I am playing to win as mafia and I think this is the best way to do it, assuming any of us are actually converted.


2) The problem with that logic is that the cult leader will never work with you for that reason, nor will the culted mafia member in question cooperate... just face the fact that if any one of us is culted, they're gonna do their own thing.

It's not gamethrowing as it helps both factions towards their win condition. Psychologically allying with the cult could be seen as wrong but there is nothing against in the rules and it will help us toward our win condition. We are by far the most underpowered faction with only 4 members and if we don't work together with the rest of the scum we will lose. Mafia never win forum mafia for a reason and if we don't try something new we will quickly go the same way.

If I am converted I will announce it to the team and I want to know if I will have your support and you won't just lynch me straight away and probably make town win.

Culted members will be found out as soon as we try anything with any of their team mates, especially the cult leader. Going behind our backs would make us enemies as they obviously don't want to help us so we would be forced to kill the cult leader. Admitting you are culted before we find out means we can work in our mutual benefit. I don't expect a culted member to tell us the name of the cult leader but we can at least have some discussion between the two teams and co-ordinate night actions, lynches or even have some trusted members of the cult clear us to the town.

Can everyone give me their opinions on this but more importantly what will our night actions be?

Robb seems like he could be a PR or scum to me so I'm going to check him tonight. Some of the lurkers like Arya and Oberyon could be good kill targets. Make sure you have thought of your pro-town reasons for blocking someone when you choose who to block. You are trying to block scum not power roles.

[Bronn]

It might be a good idea for you to go into full on bored cit lurk mode, llyn, and get ready to claim hiding PR with your grave robber powers when you need to. Like you said the heavy lurkers are almost always ignored. It's the mid-range active lurking were you don't want to be.

Mafia Investigation Pairings

Lord Varys (Godftaher) - Citizen / Godfather / Cult Leader / Jester - Probably claim cit

Bronn (Consigliere) - Sheriff / Investigator / Consigliere / Executioner - Probably claim inves or sheriff

Ser Rodrik (Consort) - Escort / Consort / Veteran / Student - Probably claim escort

Ser llyn (Grave Robber) Armoursmith / Gunsmith / Disguiser / Grave Robber - You're pretty much dead if investigated. Hope that you're not and possibly claim a role you can prove with your stolen powers (they will consider you are the grave robber however)

tbh you shouldn't really be tied down to your investigation pairings as town will think straight to the mafia role your claim is paired with. Come up with the most believable at the time. Thinking outside the box often works well, such as Fyodor claiming investigator as gf in FM IX.

Some tips I thought of


Don't try to act like you have ulterior motives.

Try to sound as natural as possible, not as if you've spent the last few minutes agonising over how scummy your post looks. If you think you can do it post short and fast as if you are not bothering to think about how scummy you look.

If you think a team member is acting scummy point it out but remember that you might be focusing on them because you know they're scum and not because of their scumtells.

If there is a vote train on a fellow mafia member, in most cases vote early and go hard with the bussing. Some town members might defend the mafia member and they will be accused as his team mates not the people who are pushing hard for his lynch. The lynch will either peter out naturally and people will remember your votes when that member dies later or it will go straight through and you will look like town for voting for him early. You are unlikely to avert a lynch if it is going to happen so consider the risks of trying to do so.

If a teammate is bussing you, DO NOT ham it up as if you are having a pretend fight. Defend yourself as you would normally.

You don't need to completely ignore your team mates. Engage in conversation and even argue about your different opinions. Buddying with fellow mafia members can actually work as mafia usually end up buddying with town.

[Ser Rodrik]

I'm so fucking ugly.

Is what I do seduce, or rape?

[Lord Varys]

It's fucking night one. Bronn, stop trying to bring up the most contreversial topics and acting like your the only person who knows how to play mafia.

Remember, if anyone has a right to make calls like this, its the leader.

Also...

Can everyone give me their opinions on this but more importantly what will our night actions be?

Read the first post. I don't think I have overiding power, but the GFs choice always take effect if no one else submits a contrary action.

[Lord Varys]

With regards to the consort, I think you should block one of the louder people because that is what an escort would do. When it comes to you claiming against an escort you will want to look as believable as possible with your night actions.The best possible target for consort is gunsmith/armoursmith. They will be one of the quieter people.