4 mafia-NoSK/arson set up : Impossible in pub?

[Aelyanne]

Hey

I just tried some games with this set up :

Random Mafia
Mafioso
Disguiser
Consort

Random neutral : Exe/Amn(cannot turn maf)/Jester/Survivor

Random Town
Jailor
Escort
Vigilante
Doctor
Sheriff
Detective
Bus driver
Look out
Investigator



And i just got insulted as being a retard host with a retard set up, then leavers...

Do you think this is really imbalanced? It feels pretty ok to me, or even slightly town-friendly...
But it's pub, so it seems like we get insulted if we dont GF-Maf-MAf-Sk

So, do you think this set up is balanced, and do you think it's possible to play something else than "GF-maf-maf-(SK/arso/cult)" in pub?

[Omeleet]

Pubs have some fetish with the norm. It is one of the reasons I have stopped playing as of late.

A way you can "cheat" their expectations and get a game to start is to put random neutrals/random any in that have parameters forcing them to be specific things.

[Lazers]

It's fairly retarded for town

They're outnumbered when the game begins wtf

If you have 4 mafia you should only have 1 or so neutrals

[Aelyanne]

It's fairly retarded for town

They're outnumbered when the game begins wtf

If you have 4 mafia you should only have 1 or so neutrals

Uh, i guess you did not understand what i meant, there is only ONE neutral, that can be any on those : amnesiac/jester/executer/survivor

[Jowa]

I've done this save before. It was fun up until town did nothing wrong and still lost. We just couldn't fine the mafia in time. I killed 2 people as vig and no town but still. I think the town only lynched another town once. But other than that...

[biersteker]

Just go for 3 maf. And an advanced any, that can only be mafia ;)

[BorkBot]

Too many known roles in my opinion.. there's very little room for lies. That might be why people didn't like your setup.

[ALL HAIL CTHULHU]

I was actually thinking of a similar setup recently. But I replaced Bus Driver with a veteran, had some unknown roles and 1 benign neut.

I think that is more pub friendly. I find bus driver will often hurt pubs more then help because a bad bus driver is just confusing. Pubs prefer the vet.

But yeah, this would require at least 75% of town to be competent to even have a shot.

Question: how does town fare in the maf sim vs. pubs? Do we have any sort of stats? =D I would love to see if the average pub player could beat a robot that doesn't reason.

[creedkingsx]

Too many known roles in my opinion.. there's very little room for lies. That might be why people didn't like your setup.

While I agree with you, I don't think that is why people didn't like it. Pubs don't pay attention to things such as that.

[Elixir]

Pubs have some fetish with the norm. It is one of the reasons I have stopped playing as of late.

A way you can "cheat" their expectations and get a game to start is to put random neutrals/random any in that have parameters forcing them to be specific things.

Like a Basic Neutral excluding Benign and Killing.

Best way to get cult into a game lulz.

[Unknown User]

I played a game yesterday:
3 mafia, SK, Arsonist vs 7 town
with a random neutral and a random any.

The random any ended up being Mafia, but the town still won.