Board Meeting Two: Death of A Familiar Face

[Forum Mafia GM]

Board Meeting Two: Death of A Familiar Face



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPpyx9rhtfM



August 13th, 2012, 0955 am.

All the agents appeared to slip into their animus induced sub-comas easy enough as the session began. Vidic ensured all recruits were present and accounted for before leaving to attend to other duties... The issue of the CEO going missing was not one he could easily cover as well as his own considering the amount of daughter companies Abstergo was in charge of... as well as it's more secretive ventures.

Some way into the evening, Poppy's synchronization with the training network was interrupted by what the memory recording shows as a hidden blade going straight through her ancestor's neck. This break in memory synchronization normally results in a rerun of the memory involved, but thanks to Assassin interference the memory file overloaded Poppy's brain. The mind readings became sporadic and she sat straight up, shattering the face shield, holding her head and screaming MAKE THEM STOP!

Security burst into the chamber and attempted to restrain her but she ran headfirst into the wall and knocked herself out. Security dragged her off to the medical ward where it is unknown if the psychosis effect will wear off, or if she will wake up from the coma she put herse- wait...

The Medical Team's primary examination revealed that this 'her' was simple a masquerade. Vidic had been called in by this stage and burst into the room demanding a DNA test be carried out against the US database. They didn't need to go that far however. A simple company wide DNA match showed Poppy was in fact Anson Peake, the director of Project Legacy... who had obviously gone to great lengths to conceal his identity... Great, irreversible, lengths.

Vidic rewatched the memory and knew this was assassin interference. Though, he can't say he really minded having that loose cannon Peake taken care of... Vidic remained blissfully unaware of Peakes intentions... still he couldn't help but wonder why Peake had come back...

While all the security, and Vidic, were busy with the events of Poppy... no one noticed the disembowelled body lying in Morgana's animus chamber.. It was not until the Animus Session concluded and a head check was done that she was noticed missing. Blood covered the walls of the chamber, yet Morgana's body had not been moved at all and lay still in the Animus.

The perpetrator of this crime obviously did not care for a clean kill.

The animus was still running and a programmer found an external link to an unfamiliar network... Simply titled E.

While the body was carried off to the morgue, 6 remaining assassins in the crowd threw worried glances at each other. They knew that Morgana was the guise of Shaun Hastings... their best hacker and informant outside the great Erudito. Were the found out? Did Abstergo already know who they were and was trying to send a message?

No... This isn't Abstergo's style...



The last will messages we found saved on their animi were as follows:

Poppy:

I am MagmaRam and I wish I was Caitlyn, not Poppy.

[goes and sulks in corner because no one likes Poppy]

Morgana:
Morgana's animus did not contain a last will.



Board Meeting Two Ends At: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Brisbane+Australia+10%3A00+am.+Monday+March+26+ 2012

It will take 18 votes to terminate a Contract.

Type -vote Agent to vote them for contract termination. (Attempt to keep this up to date).

To skip to the Animus Session and Not Terminate any Contracts, type -vote to Skip.

**Shaun Hastings' role card has been added to the Handbook.



Role List:

William Miles - Godfather
Erudito - Coroner
Lucy Stillman - Animus Supervisor
[Hidden Assassin]
[Hidden Assassin]
[Hidden Assassin]

Hidden Assassin Role Possibilities: Disguiser, Consigliere, Mafioso, Janitor, Drug Dealer, Consort, Framer.

Guardian of Eden - Witch
[Hidden Neutral]
[Hidden Neutral]
[Hidden Neutral]

Hidden Neutral Role Possibilities: Serial Killer, Arsonist, Spree Killer, Executioner, Amnesiac, Jester, Student, Ghost


Alan Rikkin
Security Detail
Animus Programmer
Animus Desynchronizer
Animus Supervisor
Virtual Security Agent
[Hidden Town]
[Hidden Town]
[Hidden Town]
[Hidden Town]
[Hidden Town]
[Hidden Town]
[Hidden Town]
[Hidden Town]
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent
Abstergo Agent


Hidden Town Security Detail, Animus Programmer, Data Analyst, Animus Desynchronizer, Abstergo Circuit Breaker, Virtual Security Agent, Weaponmaster, PPE Quatermaster, Session Logger, Executive Security Officer, Animus Tracker, Animus Watcher, Animus Switcher, Animus Supervisor, Elite Agent.



Alive Abstergo Agents

Alistar
Caitlyn
Corki
Fiddlesticks
Fiora
Fizz
Gangplank
Garen
Graves
Irelia
Jarvan IV
Karthus
Katarina
Kennen
LeBlanc
Lee Sin
Leona
Lux
Maokai
Nasus
Nautilus
Nocturne
Nunu
Orianna
Pantheon
Rammus
Renekton
Riven
Ryze
Shaco
Sona
Soraka
Udyr
Veigar
Zilean



Abstergo Industries Morgue

Àlvaro Gramática (Infiltrator) Died Prologue: Shot in the Back of the Head by Abstergo Security
Kayle (Abstergo Agent) Died Prologue: Killed in a bloody slaughter during the Assassin Infiltration.
Akali (Abstergo Agent) Died Prologue: Killed in a bloody slaughter during the Assassin Infiltration.
Annie (Abstergo Agent) Died Prologue: Killed in a bloody slaughter during the Assassin Infiltration.
Ashe (Abstergo Agent) Died Prologue: Killed in a bloody slaughter during the Assassin Infiltration.
Karma (Abstergo Agent) Died Prologue: Killed in a bloody slaughter during the Assassin Infiltration.
Cassiopeia (Abstergo Agent) Died Prologue: Killed in a bloody slaughter during the Assassin Infiltration.
Ziggs (Abstergo Agent) Died Prologue: Killed in a bloody slaughter during the Assassin Infiltration.
Poppy (Anson Peake) - Entered extreme psychosis after being desynchronized by a hidden blade through the neck.
Morgana (Shaun Hastings - Consigliere) - Found gutted in his Animus Chmaber. No signs of forced entry.

[Veigar]

First

[Veigar]

That was quite a night, Lux and I had it good.

[Veigar]

Why is it so quiet in this board meeting? It's like I'm the only one here right now.

[Lee Sin]

Two halves do not make a whole

[Veigar]

Another video and its a contract termination.

[Lee Sin]

I was jailed last night. I think the jailor was Lucy. Trust was an issue. Priority for town is find Lucy Stillman. Not first priority but priority nonetheless.

[Veigar]

Shes a great threat I agree, but how do we find her so early into the day?

[Jarvan IV]

I fucked some bitches up. Fuckin' blew their brains out. Stupid fucking Morgana, I told her not to mess with me.

[Lux]

That was one crazy night...
*serious face*
I'm all partied out for this game.

I remember someone having some grudge on Poppy or something. I'll see what I can find.

Veigar, you weren't even there. I think. Don't remember much.

[Nunu]

Lol, epic night

[Jarvan IV]

In all seriousness, I, too, was jailed. My jailor wasn't extremely secretive like Lee Sins', so I believe in was the Abstergo Supervisor. What information DID you manage to get, Lee?

[Veigar]

Lux, I avoided drinking for a reason. I savoured that night with you.

[Lee Sin]

Did your jailor tell you why you were jailed? Mine told me it was random.

[Lee Sin]

I almost died, too.

[Gangplank]

At least none of the bros died! Or Lux or Irelia.

Have to say that was a good night for us.

Interested to see other people's input.

[Jarvan IV]

Mine didn't tell me why, but I didn't ask. It may have been random, but I'm pretty sure it was because of how violent I was yesterday, lol.

[Veigar]

I had a night as dull as my role. >_>

[Shaco]

Shaco would like to thank the wonderful stranger from last night's party that accompanied him home and distracted him from fulfilling his duties. Shaco had a great time.

[Lee Sin]

My jailor said "I can understand your reluctance to claim your real role"

Then turned around and said the command to kill me saying that I was scummy for being cautious about telling my role.

[Jarvan IV]

Shaco would like to thank the wonderful stranger from last night's party that accompanied him home and distracted him from fulfilling his duties. Shaco had a great time.

Oh? And what duties would that be, Shaco? IF.. that is your real name.

[Jarvan IV]

My jailor said "I can understand your reluctance to claim your real role"

Then turned around and said the command to kill me saying that I was scummy for being cautious about telling my role.

That is definitely scummy. Mine told me he would find out my role, and when he did (if I lied) he'd jail me again and kill me. I hope to God it wasn't Lucy, but your jailor sounds a lot more scummy. If only we had a lookout-type role that had watched you last night :\

[Fizz]

Just in case somebody doesn't realize. The death of Anson Peake signifies the end of the Revolution. Killing actions take place before recruiting actions so Poppy wouldn't have successfully recruited before she died. Also note that the Amnesiac cannot reclaim Anson Peake's role.

So, the revolutionists are well and truly out of the game.

[Karthus]

Exquisite...

[Lee Sin]

That is definitely scummy. Mine told me he would find out my role, and when he did (if I lied) he'd jail me again and kill me. I hope to God it wasn't Lucy, but your jailor sounds a lot more scummy. If only we had a lookout-type role that had watched you last night :\
Do you think it wise to post my jailor's posts for people to analyze. I am thinking that it is.

[Nautilus]

If you told the jailor your role you are a fool. He should be telling you his identity before he asks you to reveal yours.

[Gangplank]

Well OP Cult out of the game right out of the bat, and we got an Assassin too!

[Veigar]

And since my night was having my way with a drunken Lux, it's pretty damn good!

[Jarvan IV]

Do you think it wise to post my jailor's posts for people to analyze. I am thinking that it is.

I think so as well. My jailor was very open with information when I would ask and he's actually pretty cool. If I were you, I'd post your jailor's posts for all of us to analyze for any clues. I'd post mine, but I forgot to save them >.>

[Shaco]

Oh? And what duties would that be, Shaco? IF.. that is your real name.

Shaco will never tell.

[Fiora]

Hooray! Tonight, good has made a stand. Evil has been smote by truth and justice! The rest of the evil ones should just give up now and repent for their sins.
Wow. Looks like this game is going to go the same way as FMX with the evils killing each other. This time we will know about it though.
In other news, the party went well last night! I think Huey got a little sick though... I tried to clean him up last night. He still isn't feeling well, and probably will not make an appearance in this meeting today.
I'm a bit surprised that no shady characters showed up. Good to know that all these partygoers are in good faith and just want to have a good time !
Blazer, you really don't know who I am? Think, who would be upset at you for something you did lately?

[Gangplank]

And since my night was having my way with a drunken Lux, it's pretty damn good!

Liar! Lux and Irelia were with Graves and I!

[Veigar]

Liar! Lux and Irelia were with Graves and I!
Lux and I retired early, to the same room...

[Jarvan IV]

Hooray! Tonight, good has made a stand. Evil has been smote by truth and justice! The rest of the evil ones should just give up now and repent for their sins.
Wow. Looks like this game is going to go the same way as FMX with the evils killing each other. This time we will know about it though.
In other news, the party went well last night! I think Huey got a little sick though... I tried to clean him up last night. He still isn't feeling well, and probably will not make an appearance in this meeting today.
I'm a bit surprised that no shady characters showed up. Good to know that all these partygoers are in good faith and just want to have a good time !
Blazer, you really don't know who I am? Think, who would be upset at you for something you did lately?
Something you're trying to hide? You seem to have not posted anything.. at all. Why is that?


Shaco will never tell.
JAILOR SHOULD JAIL SHOULD JAILOR

[Pantheon]

That Revolution sure was nipped in the bud, Good job assassins.


This has been a pretty good night for us

[Jarvan IV]

Hooray! Tonight, good has made a stand. Evil has been smote by truth and justice! The rest of the evil ones should just give up now and repent for their sins.
Wow. Looks like this game is going to go the same way as FMX with the evils killing each other. This time we will know about it though.
In other news, the party went well last night! I think Huey got a little sick though... I tried to clean him up last night. He still isn't feeling well, and probably will not make an appearance in this meeting today.
I'm a bit surprised that no shady characters showed up. Good to know that all these partygoers are in good faith and just want to have a good time !
Blazer, you really don't know who I am? Think, who would be upset at you for something you did lately?


Err.. I forgot to change the color. Regardless, what are you trying to hide?

[Fizz]

Enough of the trolling, please. Day 1 is over.

Lee Sin and Jarvan have both claimed to have been jailed. Failing a third claim to the contrary we should believe both claims.

One of their jailors is Lucy Stillman and one is the Town Jailor. By revealing the transcripts of both we could discover their identities. This may not be an entirely bad idea. Exposing the town jailor in return for exposing Lucy Stillman is certainly a price I'm willing to pay.

[Lee Sin]

No.

[Gangplank]

It's a conspiracy!

[Forum Mafia GM]

Do that again Lee Sin and your contract will be terminated.

No quotes.

[Pantheon]

lucy is their last hope for information gathering. Careful there.

[Nautilus]

That Revolution sure was nipped in the bud, Good job assassins.


This has been a pretty good night for us

You don't sound like an assassin at all...

-vote Pantheon

[Jarvan IV]

Enough of the trolling, please. Day 1 is over.

Lee Sin and Jarvan have both claimed to have been jailed. Failing a third claim to the contrary we should believe both claims.

One of their jailors is Lucy Stillman and one is the Town Jailor. By revealing the transcripts of both we could discover their identities. This may not be an entirely bad idea. Exposing the town jailor in return for exposing Lucy Stillman is certainly a price I'm willing to pay.

I like your description :p

My jailor was town, this I am 100% sure of. I was an idiot and my timezone made me think I had longer to save logs than I really did, but my jailor revealed many things to me a scummy one wouldn't.

[Lee Sin]

Do that again Lee Sin and your contract will be terminated.

No quotes.

understood

[Jarvan IV]

I wasn't going to say anything for fear of looking scummy, but Nautilus made me want to bring my thoughts to light as well.
-vote Pantheon

[Nautilus]

lucy is their last hope for information gathering. Careful there.

Erudito is their best hope for information gathering. He and Lucy is why I didn't think there would be a consig.

[Pantheon]

you want me to teach you to be less gay, so that you can catch more men?

[Jarvan IV]

you want me to teach you to be less gay, so that you can catch more men?

So you're just going to be a fucktard and not assemble an intelligent defense?

Good one, scum.

[Fizz]

Do that again Lee Sin and your contract will be terminated.

No quotes.

Please explain yourself.

Are you saying that jail chats cannot be quoted? Because there is zero in the rules that states this.

I hope the rules aren't being changed already.

[Lux]

Lux and I retired early, to the same room...

Nope. I do remember enough to know that everything happened with CoD in the background.

Maybe I shouldn't have laced the drinks with cannabis, heroin, cocaine, Horny Goat Weed, and ******.
Worth it though.

*serious face on*

[Forum Mafia GM]

Direct quotes are a no.

Saying what they said is permissable... after all you could be lying.

[Fizz]

Direct quotes are a no.

Saying what the said is a permissable... after all you could be lying.

This is not in the rules...

[Nautilus]

Fiora should also be pressured.

[Jarvan IV]

Nope. I do remember enough to know that everything happened with CoD in the background.

Maybe I shouldn't have laced the drinks with cannabis, heroin, cocaine, Horny Goat Weed, and ******.
Worth it though.

*serious face on*


Lux and I retired early, to the same room...

Veigar, are you Escort?

How about you, Lux?

[Kennen]

What's up with the secret messages? Is there something hidden in that whitespace, Pantheon?

Anyways, Lee and Jarvan should try to give as much information as they can without breaking the rules. If you can't quote, try the next best thing, paraphrasing.

[Forum Mafia GM]

This is not in the rules...

Argue with me all you like. I'm maintaining balance.

Suicide is an option.

[Jarvan IV]

Hooray! Tonight, good has made a stand. Evil has been smote by truth and justice! The rest of the evil ones should just give up now and repent for their sins.
Wow. Looks like this game is going to go the same way as FMX with the evils killing each other. This time we will know about it though.
In other news, the party went well last night! I think Huey got a little sick though... I tried to clean him up last night. He still isn't feeling well, and probably will not make an appearance in this meeting today.
I'm a bit surprised that no shady characters showed up. Good to know that all these partygoers are in good faith and just want to have a good time !
Blazer, you really don't know who I am? Think, who would be upset at you for something you did lately?

Four things said during the Board Discussions, and one of the few things you say has hidden meanings to it.


Fiora should also be pressured.

I'll vote for what you vote for. Fiora or Pantheon? In my opinion, the things Pantheon has been saying seem to be attempting to hide the fact Erudito is still at large. Hell, HE may be Erudito trying to hide himself, or Lucy stroking his own cock in decadence.

[Lee Sin]

Since I cannot post the exact transcripts (even though they can be faked), I will give my best impression of the jailor.

The jailer asked for my Forum name and FM role. I gave my name and said I was a town PR.

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

Then the jailer sent the order to kill me.

I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

The jailer didn't listen.

I gave many more arguments to keep me alive. Arguments for each possible alignment.
That failed. I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

I claimed a role that I am not.

Jailer believed me and sent the order to not kill me.

[Veigar]

You guys know what's strange? You're already voting out Pantheon when he could be trolling.

You look at me and tell me if there was ever a FM here without trolling. It's Day 2, early in the game, essential for us to gather information against the Assassins. But we're just sitting here voting off and devoting our time to some dude that made a short post about him praising the efforts of whom we are all out to kill. Hes trolling, it's just too obvious for somebody to do something like that. The only person who would do something so retarded is Archangel, and hes not even playing. (Yet, I fear all contract terminations.)

[Nautilus]

you want me to teach you to be less gay, so that you can catch more men?

Are you Capatalier? This is important in my analysis of you.

[Caitlyn]

I believe I have found Sumikoko...

[Lee Sin]

I forgot to mention that I claimed citizen wifom shit in there

[Pantheon]

What's up with the secret messages? Is there something hidden in that whitespace, Pantheon?


why don't you just go and check for yourself

the answer is the same answer to the following question:

Do the Chickens have Large Talons?

[Veigar]

Nope. I do remember enough to know that everything happened with CoD in the background.

Maybe I shouldn't have laced the drinks with cannabis, heroin, cocaine, Horny Goat Weed, and ******.
Worth it though.

*serious face on*
Don't worry, it was a great night. But it's time we get back to business.

Dr. Vidic might not be pleased with our "performance." :3

[Fizz]

Argue with me all you like. I'm maintaining balance.

Suicide is an option.

I'm not arguing with you.

I am simply pointing out the rules listed in the Handbook indicating how we are to play the game and how they differ with rules that have been made up since.

[Karthus]

Teach.
rule.
Zombies.
1.
Ring.

[Jarvan IV]

You guys know what's strange? You're already voting out Pantheon when he could be trolling.

You look at me and tell me if there was ever a FM here without trolling. It's Day 2, early in the game, essential for us to gather information against the Assassins. But we're just sitting here voting off and devoting our time to some dude that made a short post about him praising the efforts of whom we are all out to kill. Hes trolling, it's just too obvious for somebody to do something like that. The only person who would do something so retarded is Archangel, and hes not even playing. (Yet, I fear all contract terminations.)

Who the fuck would logically troll when there are people SEARCHING for scum the second day after Anson Peake and an Assassin are dead. Trolling after Day 1 is begging for a contract termination.

[Jarvan IV]

Teach.
rule.
Zombies.
1.
Ring.

Care to elaborate?

[Kennen]

You guys know what's strange? You're already voting out Pantheon when he could be trolling.

You look at me and tell me if there was ever a FM here without trolling. It's Day 2, early in the game, essential for us to gather information against the Assassins. But we're just sitting here voting off and devoting our time to some dude that made a short post about him praising the efforts of whom we are all out to kill. Hes trolling, it's just too obvious for somebody to do something like that. The only person who would do something so retarded is Archangel, and hes not even playing. (Yet, I fear all contract terminations.)

Trolling can sometimes be a scum cop-out, but I don't find anything particularly offensive from Pantheon yet. I also do not see much reason to pressure a buffoon yet, when the jailor discussion seems more fruitful.

[Caitlyn]

Who the fuck would logically troll when there are people SEARCHING for scum the second day after Anson Peake and an Assassin are dead. Trolling after Day 1 is begging for a contract termination.

A Jester, I guess?-_-

[Veigar]

Trolling can sometimes be a scum cop-out, but I don't find anything particularly offensive from Pantheon yet. I also do not see much reason to pressure a buffoon yet, when the jailor discussion seems more fruitful.
That's exactly what I'm trying to get through.

We should probe a potential resource instead of pressuring somebody who said something that most likely isn't true.

[Lee Sin]

My jailer seems to be an EST player. Online at those times that those players are normally.

[Nautilus]

Since I cannot post the exact transcripts (even though they can be faked), I will give my best impression of the jailor.

The jailer asked for my Forum name and FM role. I gave my name and said I was a town PR.

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

Then the jailer sent the order to kill me.

I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

The jailer didn't listen.

I gave many more arguments to keep me alive. Arguments for each possible alignment.
That failed. I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

I claimed a role that I am not.

Jailer believed me and sent the order to not kill me.

If I was the jailor I would also be surprised that you claimed PR, almost without any fear of you being jailed by Lucy instead. Pressuring you with kill orders is usual jailor practice and so is staying quiet while he waits for you to slip up. I believe you could have been jailed by the animus supervisor but Jarvan IV should also post what his jailor said.

[Kennen]

My jailer seems to be an EST player. Online at those times that those players are normally.

Would you be able to give general post times, in terms of GMT?

[Veigar]

My jailer seems to be an EST player. Online at those times that those players are normally.
That doesn't particularly nail it down to anybody, but that's a good observation.

[Jarvan IV]

Since I cannot post the exact transcripts (even though they can be faked), I will give my best impression of the jailor.

The jailer asked for my Forum name and FM role. I gave my name and said I was a town PR.

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

Then the jailer sent the order to kill me.

I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

The jailer didn't listen.

I gave many more arguments to keep me alive. Arguments for each possible alignment.
That failed. I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

I claimed a role that I am not.

Jailer believed me and sent the order to not kill me.

What role did you claim? And why are you so openly revealing this when the jailor (Lucy?) could easily jail you again and execute you for lying?

[Veigar]

Would you be able to give general post times, in terms of GMT?
Kennen just admitted hes not an EST player. =P

[Fizz]

Since I cannot post the exact transcripts (even though they can be faked), I will give my best impression of the jailor.

The jailer asked for my Forum name and FM role. I gave my name and said I was a town PR.

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

Then the jailer sent the order to kill me.

I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

The jailer didn't listen.

I gave many more arguments to keep me alive. Arguments for each possible alignment.
That failed. I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

I claimed a role that I am not.

Jailer believed me and sent the order to not kill me.

I would like to find out some things from you, Lee Sin.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.

[Nautilus]

Would you be able to give general post times, in terms of GMT?

I wouldn't be so quick to do that unless we are sure Lee Sin was jailed by Lucy.

[Lee Sin]

What role did you claim? And why are you so openly revealing this when the jailor (Lucy?) could easily jail you again and execute you for lying?
I'm not telling the role I claimed. I did it as a scum hunting exercise. You'll see how it works later on.

Because I am a player who isn't selfish and I actually let the town know shit

[Jarvan IV]

If I was the jailor I would also be surprised that you claimed PR, almost without any fear of you being jailed by Lucy instead. Pressuring you with kill orders is usual jailor practice and so is staying quiet while he waits for you to slip up. I believe you could have been jailed by the animus supervisor but Jarvan IV should also post what his jailor said.

As I said, I didn't save logs but I have a good recollection of what went down.

We reached about two pages of discussion. We both revealed our coms to eachother. When he is about to be lynched, he will reveal his true identity to me. Scum wouldn't do that. There are also some things we discussed I don't want to post here for everyone to see.

[Fizz]

I would like to find out some things from you, Lee Sin.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.

Jarvan can you supply us with the similar information.

[Lee Sin]

I would like to find out some things from you, Lee Sin.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.
1. it was a 24 hour period where I was thinking I was dead

2. "as the town jailor" was all that was referred to.

3. I won't say for another reason.

4. Longish posts 9 posts in total including the first one. There was one post where he corrects a verb syntax error.

5. American, on at around EST times.

[Kennen]

I wouldn't be so quick to do that unless we are sure Lee Sin was jailed by Lucy.

Good point, I think we'll need a little more from Jarvan IV, though he seems pretty convinced in his jailor's authenticity.
Apparently, the converse is true for Lee Sin.

Also, I will not confirm or deny speculation about my time zone. :p

[Fizz]

Can you please give an example of a similar verb syntax error to the one he made?

[Jarvan IV]

Jarvan can you supply us with the similar information.

Sure.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.
Off the bat, the very first post he put was "role. give me your role or i will execute you. i have three executions and my jailing also serves as a roleblock, so if i were you i would tell the truth. if i find our you are lying i will execute you at a later time.". I told him my true role, citizen. He then told me he only bluffed with them having three executions, and told me he only has one.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?
He called himself the jailer. He wouldn't directly call himself jailer, but he would say things like "jailors jailing you counts as a roleblock"

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?
See 1. Citizen.

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?
He and I accumulated roughly two to three pages, I think I posted maybe three or four more times than he did due to lack of editing.

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.
American spellings. He and I both posted around the same time, he would post when I was in school, so I've come to assume he is;
1. Someone not in school, however late nights he wouldn't post, so he likely has a job he has computer access at, or a life. :p
2. typing like this shows he is typing almost like he would type capitalized his letters. no matter what, he would place appropriate commas and periods.
3. All spellings were American. A few times I would spell like "favourite", and switch between "favorite". He was resilient with typing like an American.

[Kennen]

[QUOTE=Jarvan IV;101961When he is about to be lynched, he will reveal his true identity to me. Scum wouldn't do that. .[/QUOTE]

I don't necessarily agree with this point, though maybe I'm a bit paranoid from other FMs.

[Lee Sin]

Can you please give an example of a similar verb syntax error to the one he made?

"I wouldn't feel bad about spitting on you had you said "so saliva"" was corrected to something like "I would feel bad about spitting on you had you said "so saliva""

[Jarvan IV]

Sure.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.
Off the bat, the very first post he put was "role. give me your role or i will execute you. i have three executions and my jailing also serves as a roleblock, so if i were you i would tell the truth. if i find our you are lying i will execute you at a later time.". I told him my true role, citizen. He then told me he only bluffed with them having three executions, and told me he only has one.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?
He called himself the jailer. He wouldn't directly call himself jailer, but he would say things like "jailers jailing you counts as a roleblock"

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?
See 1. Citizen.

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?
He and I accumulated roughly two to three pages, I think I posted maybe three or four more times than he did due to lack of editing.

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.
American spellings. He and I both posted around the same time, he would post when I was in school, so I've come to assume he is;
1. Someone not in school, however late nights he wouldn't post, so he likely has a job he has computer access at, or a life. :p
2. typing like this shows he is typing almost like he would type capitalized his letters. no matter what, he would place appropriate commas and periods.
3. All spellings were American. A few times I would spell like "favourite", and switch between "favorite". He was resilient with typing like an American.
He would type short and sweet posts.

Sorry. Minor error.

[Lee Sin]

No* saliva

[Orianna]

Another thing Jarvan could consider is the relative post times of his jailor (which would indicate a probably timezone/geographic location) versus the COM identity claimed by his jailor. If there's a mismatch it could indicate that the "jailor" was lying. I'm reserving judgement for the moment.

[Karthus]

It seems the "good" jailor was trying to appear friendly to coax information out of you...

[Jarvan IV]

I don't necessarily agree with this point, though maybe I'm a bit paranoid from other FMs.

If he were Lucy, he would be less hesitant to reveal his true identity because he would look a tad guilty. Reading over what I said, I do agree this doesn't guarantee his identity, but it doesn't seem scummy.

[Nautilus]

As I said, I didn't save logs but I have a good recollection of what went down.

We reached about two pages of discussion. We both revealed our coms to eachother. When he is about to be lynched, he will reveal his true identity to me. Scum wouldn't do that. There are also some things we discussed I don't want to post here for everyone to see.

I'm finding it hard to see why town would reveal their COM name to you. It seems very risky when he though you were scummy enough to be jailed. There was a 1 in 3 chance you are not town, Lucy jailing you would make that a 1 in 7 chance so she is much more likely to believe you are town. Maybe she revealed her COM name in order to get you to trust her. I can't think of another reason for doing so.

I think Jarvan IV's jailer is more likely to be scum.


Are you Capatalier? This is important in my analysis of you.

I ask this because Capatalier has commented on kills in the past as scum. Pantheon is behaving like a cross between Vasilli and Plato. One was Stalin, the other was a sheriff.

[Veigar]

Well I'm off to work guys, I'll be back later when it's evening.

[Maokai]

Interesting night. I have some comments on what's going on but I think I'll sit on it for the moment.

The question is: How would you act if you getting information depends on giving trust to someone you don't trust?

Would you be overly cautious?
Overly trusting?
Why?

[Orianna]

Another thing Jarvan could consider is the relative post times of his jailor (which would indicate a probable timezone/geographic location) versus the COM identity claimed by his jailor. If there's a mismatch it could indicate that the "jailor" was lying. I'm reserving judgement for the moment.

Bah, typos.

[Jarvan IV]

Another thing Jarvan could consider is the relative post times of his jailor (which would indicate a probably timezone/geographic location) versus the COM identity claimed by his jailor. If there's a mismatch it could indicate that the "jailor" was lying. I'm reserving judgement for the moment.

He and I had a short guessing game, when he revealed he was a friend of Ash. I asked if it was Goremancer and he said yes. I asked a few other names first to be sure he wouldn't lie. I'm not positive with the timezone thing but I am pretty sure he is EST.

[Gunther]

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

Was this two separate back-to-back posts? Or are you paraphrasing a shift as the conversation took place? If it was back-to-back that could be a jailor getting info from their boys and then doubling back to try to squeeze stuff out of you. I'm still not 100% convinced you're jailor was necessarily the bad one though - you'd think the mafia would know to be smarter with their jailor play so people would be more forthcoming with shit.


The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

This part confuses me. Could you elaborate what exactly the point was they were trying to make with this? Are they saying that because the mafia only have one kill with Lucy it doesn't matter what they do with it? I don't know why they think a PR kill was guaranteed, unless they were referring to the dead Consigliere/Erudito. Why did they think to say all of this out loud and then order your kill? It seems a bit scummy, so I'm leaning back just towards an intimidating town-aligned jailor.


I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

Echoing what someone else said, why go through the trouble of setting up a ruse and then dropping it immediately at the start of the day? Wouldn't it have been better to explain your suspicions about your jailor, and then keeping up with whatever role you claimed to mess with the mafia if you truly thought your jailor was the shady one?


The jailer didn't listen.

Can you elaborate how someone "doesn't listen" in a post? Did they make another one simply saying "No." or what? This could be important in determining the style of the jailor (i.e likes to argue, stoic, unresponsive, etc.).


I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

Did the jailor elaborate on his belief of you and give you any further instructions for the day? Or did they simply repeal his order to kill you?

I'd also like to hear from Jarvan about his night with his jailor. Like I said, assuming the mafia aren't jackasses they probably wouldn't go all out on the first night trying to bully people when attracting flies with honey is so much easier. Townspeople, on the other hand, ain't got time for that honey shit.

[Gunther]

Duh, wrote that I'd like to hear from Jarvan without noticing all the posts that happened while I was writing mine up. Sweet.

[Jarvan IV]

I'm finding it hard to see why town would reveal their COM name to you. It seems very risky when he though you were scummy enough to be jailed. There was a 1 in 3 chance you are not town, Lucy jailing you would make that a 1 in 7 chance so she is much more likely to believe you are town. Maybe she revealed her COM name in order to get you to trust her. I can't think of another reason for doing so.

I think Jarvan IV's jailer is more likely to be scum.

It was more than likely because of how violent I was in day one. I kept saying things like "so and so is going to be killed tonight." You can go back and read if you like. They're still alive :p. He never applied to have me killed, meaning he was Abstergo and didn't want to execute a fellow Abstergo employee, or he was scum and didn't want to waste his execute on a citizen.

[Orianna]

Interesting night. I have some comments on what's going on but I think I'll sit on it for the moment.

The question is: How would you act if you getting information depends on giving trust to someone you don't trust?

Would you be overly cautious?
Overly trusting?
Why?

Personally I'd be suspicious of anyone who wasn't suspicious of me. If they're scum they already know if someone else is their opponent, whereas town must be weary of everyone. Revealing their COM identity is also questionable at best, whether or not he lied.

[Pantheon]

"Wary

[Jarvan IV]

My jailor and I also devised an extremely complicated code, if he were mafia he probably just would've disregarded it, but he and I actively made modifications together towards the code to patch and optimize it in places necessary.

[Nautilus]

Like I said, assuming the mafia aren't jackasses they probably wouldn't go all out on the first night trying to bully people when attracting flies with honey is so much easier. Townspeople, on the other hand, ain't got time for that honey shit.

My exact sentiments. A town jailer wouldn't be as concerned how scummy he looks as long as he is getting information. A mafia jailer would try hard to look town because when it comes to his role claim, it is his word against the town jailer and the least scummy will win.

[Jarvan IV]

"Wary


lucy is their last hope for information gathering. Careful there.


you want me to teach you to be less gay, so that you can catch more men?


That Revolution sure was nipped in the bud, Good job assassins.


This has been a pretty good night for us


why don't you just go and check for yourself

the answer is the same answer to the following question:

Do the Chickens have Large Talons?

Would you mind explaining this posts to us? Are you Lee Sin's jailor?

[Pantheon]

"these posts

[Kennen]

My jailor and I also devised an extremely complicated code, if he were mafia he probably just would've disregarded it, but he and I actively made modifications together towards the code to patch and optimize it in places necessary.

On the other hand, the mafia would probably be able to assist Lucy in creating an effective code system. I don't think it says much about his alignment, I'll have to think a bit more on it.

Lee and Jarvan, did your jailors ask you to claim being jailed? I think it is a decent question.

[Gunther]

Okay, some questions for you as well, Jarvan.



Off the bat, the very first post he put was "role. give me your role or i will execute you. i have three executions and my jailing also serves as a roleblock, so if i were you i would tell the truth. if i find our you are lying i will execute you at a later time.". I told him my true role, citizen. He then told me he only bluffed with them having three executions, and told me he only has one.

Why did you feel the need to say "true role" here instead of just "I told him citizen". Are you trying to wifom not being targetted? Because that's not very citizen-y. I'm inclined to believe that Goremancer is the jailor though, simply because his "bluff" relied on the assumption that his target has not read the rules, which is something he doesn't do.


He called himself the jailer. He wouldn't directly call himself jailer, but he would say things like "jailors jailing you counts as a roleblock"

This part confuses me: did he call himself jailer or jailor? You use both in your statement. Or did he use both?

[Jarvan IV]

Do the Chickens have Large Talons?[/QUOTE]


On the other hand, the mafia would probably be able to assist Lucy in creating an effective code system. I don't think it says much about his alignment, I'll have to think a bit more on it.

Lee and Jarvan, did your jailors ask you to claim being jailed? I think it is a decent question.

Mine didn't, but when I saw Lee claim I decided to speak up. I wrote the base for the code, and he added a few things which could help cut it down and keep it nice and simple.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Just found out a couple of morning pms failed to send from this account.

This has been rectified and double checked, Agents.

-- No actions were affected.

[Jarvan IV]

Okay, some questions for you as well, Jarvan.



Why did you feel the need to say "true role" here instead of just "I told him citizen". Are you trying to wifom not being targetted? Because that's not very citizen-y. I'm inclined to believe that Goremancer is the jailor though, simply because his "bluff" relied on the assumption that his target has not read the rules, which is something he doesn't do.



This part confuses me: did he call himself jailer or jailor? You use both in your statement. Or did he use both?

He used jailer. I accidently put jailor a few times because that's what I say.

I said true role because Lee Sin lied about his.

[Jarvan IV]

Just found out a couple of morning pms failed to send from this account.

This has been rectified and double checked, Agents.

-- No actions were affected.

Quoting this for everyone else.

I just got a PM saying the witch also targeted me, but since I was jailed nothing came of it.

[Maokai]

Quoting this for everyone else.

I just got a PM saying the witch also targeted me, but since I was jailed nothing came of it.

Interesting. Why is that, exactly?

[Lee Sin]

Was this two separate back-to-back posts? Or are you paraphrasing a shift as the conversation took place? If it was back-to-back that could be a jailor getting info from their boys and then doubling back to try to squeeze stuff out of you. I'm still not 100% convinced you're jailor was necessarily the bad one though - you'd think the mafia would know to be smarter with their jailor play so people would be more forthcoming with shit.
There was little back and forth before that. There was like 9 hours between the posts.



This part confuses me. Could you elaborate what exactly the point was they were trying to make with this? Are they saying that because the mafia only have one kill with Lucy it doesn't matter what they do with it? I don't know why they think a PR kill was guaranteed, unless they were referring to the dead Consigliere/Erudito. Why did they think to say all of this out loud and then order your kill? It seems a bit scummy, so I'm leaning back just towards an intimidating town-aligned jailor.
The argument is that mafia want to kill PRs. It doesn't matter which type of PR, only as long as the jailer kills a PR. Saying that I was a PR only helps the mafia because they need to kill PRs.



Echoing what someone else said, why go through the trouble of setting up a ruse and then dropping it immediately at the start of the day? Wouldn't it have been better to explain your suspicions about your jailor, and then keeping up with whatever role you claimed to mess with the mafia if you truly thought your jailor was the shady one?
I have set up a code to claim my real role if we decide that my jailer is town. For all he knows, I am a citizen-PR.



Can you elaborate how someone "doesn't listen" in a post? Did they make another one simply saying "No." or what? This could be important in determining the style of the jailor (i.e likes to argue, stoic, unresponsive, etc.).
Unresponsive



Did the jailor elaborate on his belief of you and give you any further instructions for the day? Or did they simply repeal his order to kill you?
No plans at all. Only repealing to order.

[Lee Sin]

On the other hand, the mafia would probably be able to assist Lucy in creating an effective code system. I don't think it says much about his alignment, I'll have to think a bit more on it.

Lee and Jarvan, did your jailors ask you to claim being jailed? I think it is a decent question.

No, I felt it the right thing to do because of my suspicions. My jailer made no mention to revealing the fact that I was jailed.

[Maokai]

Interesting. Why is that, exactly?

And as a followup, is that what the PM told you, or is that what you think?

[Udyr]

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maybe?

[Gunther]

He used jailer. I accidently put jailor a few times because that's what I say.

I said true role because Lee Sin lied about his.

Something else I just noticed, in your paraphrases of the jailor, you make him speak with a lowercase 'i'. Is that something he did in the chat or is that just your way of separating yourself from him?

Just saw your post that you were witched: if it's true, being jailed wouldn't matter since it's not a role-block in this game. This makes me rethink your citizen claim, but I'll allow it for now.

[Nunu]

I wasn't going to say anything for fear of looking scummy
The only people who should have such a fear of looking scummy that they won't give certain opinions are scum. Very poor choice of words. Like, seriously. However, the problem is that I also kinda think that Panthenon sounded like scum there...

[Gunther]

Here's something that I think should be addressed for everyone to keep in mind:

The mafia do not want to use their jailor's kill. As long as they have it, they can still try to bargain for role-claims. As soon as they use it though, they lose their role-block and they lose their bargaining chip. So do not be afraid if you find yourself in a jail cell. Game mechanics are on your side.

[Gangplank]

I'm interested as to why about 60% of people haven't posted yet.

I'm not sure what to think about this jailor situation.

Lee's actions in jail seem rather confusing, trying to claim PR and then wifoming citzen or whatever he was trying to accomplish. Jarvan's jail experience seems rather strange though, that the jailor would share COM name and such and risk being revealed. For all we know, Jarvan could be a mafia or neutral posing as a citizen. For the jailor to be so trusting with him seems rather suspicious considering some of the proven deductive skills present in this game.

I'm just going to file that away; for now I see no reason to doubt either of their claims. If no new evidence comes to light however, I may look back over this.

[Lux]

I am more inclined to believe right now that Lee Sin's Jailor was Lucy Stillman.
His actions don't make sense, I agree. Claiming a Town PR possibly in a Mafia jail is pretty idiotic, even if they do understand WIFOM.
Jarvan has actually seemed a bit scummy all day, as a claim that both were jailed is slightly improbable in a regular town situation, and this could possibly be some Mafia gambit.

Idunno, I'm not getting much out of this day. The PRs don't have much info, and we haven't seen who's buddying yet (in an actual Mafia sense, not the greatest Foursome evar).

[Gangplank]

It could all just be a Mafia ploy though to generate trust in Lee Sin. It does seem quite far fetched to construct an entire jailor conversation, but it's entirely feasible (fm Claw lol). Although Elixir's post to not quote jailor chat says otherwise, but maybe it's just in general even though the chat is fabricated?

Really, his actions in jail make no sense at all. I doubt any experienced player would have approached jail in such a way. Either he's a new player, he was just dumb, or he's hiding something. (GJ Elixir, Lucy really changed the mechanics of the jailor role from the role that you know is townie! Really raises the bar on requisite skill)

Anyway, I'd like to see some explanation from Jarvan about why the jailor trusted him so much with COM name and such. His posts and claims have a slight degree of scumminess and it's the best lead we have at this point.

[Irelia]

Hey guys! Miss me!??!!
Sorry I didn't say at the partay too long last night!!! I was contacted by someone and spent the night talking with them!
Also I was told to spread a message to you guys. If you would please read this.


"I AM THE TOWN ANIMUS SUPERVISOR. LAST NIGHT, MY CODE WAS 821. IF YOU WERE VISITED BY ANOTHER JAILER, YOU WERE JAILED LAST NIGHT BY THE ASSASSIN'S SUPERVISOR. MY BIGGEST THREAT IS LUCY STILLMAN. TO COUNTERACT HER PLANS AND UNDERMINE THE ASSASSINS, I HAVE PLANNED AN ELABORATE CODE.

DAY: oooup206
NIGHT: pgpbma376453

EACH OF THE CODE, WHEN EXPLAINED, WILL CORRESPOND TO A PICTURE/VIDEO/ETC OF A JAILER. I WILL HAVE MY TARGET COPY A MESSAGE FROM ME TO TOWN EXPLAINING THE PREVIOUS DAY'S CODE ALONG WITH A NEW DAY AND NIGHT CODE TO CONFIRM. TARGETS GETTING JAILED: IF I DO NOT EXPLAIN THE NIGHT CODE TO YOU AND HOW IT RELATES TO A JAILER, BE AWARE THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING TO LUCY STILLMAN. I WILL NOT USE A TYPICAL PICTURE UPLOADING SITE SUCH AS TINYPICS NOR A VIDEO CREATED LESS THAN A MONTH AGO TO PREVENT ASSASSINS FROM FOILING ME.

ASSASSINS AND OTHER KILLERS: I KNOW YOU WILL TRY EVERYTHING TO STOP MY PLANS. THIS IS YOUR WARNING. IF I FIND YOU NOT SAYING IN CHAT WHAT I HAVE ASSIGNED YOU TO SAY, I WILL KNOW YOU ARE SCUM AND EXECUTE YOU IN SOME WAY SHORTLY.

FELLOW ABSTERGO AGENTS: I HAVE NO WAY OF PROVING TO YOU MY ALIGNMENT. I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL TRUST ME AND BELIEVE ME IN GOOD FAITH. THE ASSASSINS WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO DISCREDIT ME AND FIND ME THROUGH ERUDITO. ABSTERGO, I AM YOUR STRONGEST ALLY. YOUR DOCTOR, THAT CANNOT BE ROLE BLOCKED. PROTECT ME, AND I WILL PROTECT YOU IN RETURN."
Fiora, I have an idea. Would it be from a fail wifom or the fact I made you shoot me?

I added the colors, bolding, and underlining. (so technically it is not a direct quote)
To sum it up: I was jailed, had a nice chat, was told to relay this message to you guys.

Lux! I missed you girl!!!!!!

[Karthus]

I don't understand who is saying the quote. You act as if it is you, but then you claim you were the jailed person. I believe you failed to communicate your idea and it shall not be a pretty few hours for you...

[Irelia]

I don't understand who is saying the quote. You act as if it is you, but then you claim you were the jailed person. I believe you failed to communicate your idea and it shall not be a pretty few hours for you...

I think it's obvious the supervisor is saying the quote....just READ what I said...

[Gunther]

[COLOR="#EE82EE"] YOUR DOCTOR, THAT CANNOT BE ROLE BLOCKED. PROTECT ME, AND I WILL PROTECT YOU IN RETURN."
Fiora, I have an idea. Would it be from a fail wifom or the fact I made you shoot me?


Wtf do these two lines mean?

[Jarvan IV]

It could all just be a Mafia ploy though to generate trust in Lee Sin. It does seem quite far fetched to construct an entire jailor conversation, but it's entirely feasible (fm Claw lol). Although Elixir's post to not quote jailor chat says otherwise, but maybe it's just in general even though the chat is fabricated?

Really, his actions in jail make no sense at all. I doubt any experienced player would have approached jail in such a way. Either he's a new player, he was just dumb, or he's hiding something. (GJ Elixir, Lucy really changed the mechanics of the jailor role from the role that you know is townie! Really raises the bar on requisite skill)

Anyway, I'd like to see some explanation from Jarvan about why the jailor trusted him so much with COM name and such. His posts and claims have a slight degree of scumminess and it's the best lead we have at this point.

Glad to see you have an opinion! My jailor's number last night was 553 or something like that. As of late, however, Irelia is claiming to have been jailed hours after Lee Sin and I both did. To be honest, while you raise some ok (?) points in your post about why I trust my jailor, perhaps we should look to Irelia and ask what the fuck she's on about. I believe I have described in great depths how the interaction with my jailor went last night. Sorry if I seem scummy, but too bad.

[Gangplank]

As I said, I didn't save logs but I have a good recollection of what went down.

We reached about two pages of discussion. We both revealed our coms to eachother. When he is about to be lynched, he will reveal his true identity to me. Scum wouldn't do that. There are also some things we discussed I don't want to post here for everyone to see.

I would like to reiterate:

This post seems incredibly suspicious. 1) They both reveal coms on a citizen claim. WTF. 2) The Jailor will reveal his true identity when he is about to be lynched. Perhaps it's Lucy who will reveal to get support? 3) The Cit role is the safest role to be claimed by mafia at this point I believe considering witching/bus driving/ etc. Either way, if you are a citizen, from a town perspective you just failed in your goal of deflecting a shot from a town PR. Unless this is pro WIFOM.

The fact that the jailor was willing to reveal such information on a cit claim seems to me that it's Lucy looking for town support in case of a lynch.

Also, you haven't retracted your vote on Pantheon. May I ask what motivated this vote.

[Fiora]

Fiora, I have an idea. Would it be from a fail wifom or the fact I made you shoot me?
BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!

Also, Karthus, the original post is quite clear if you read it again. Your immediate jumping on him and calling him scum is indeed, a bit scummy. If you notice, he said:

Also I was told to spread a message to you guys. If you would please read this.
Following that was a section inside of quotes. In case your not aware, quotation marks mean you are quoting the words of someone else... aka the jailor.
He even posted everything that was his original words in a different color (pink). He made it as clear as he could possibly make it without directly quoting that the middle section was the jailor speaking not himself.

So, tell us. Why were you so quick to try to disprove Irelia's claim? You want to protect your mafia's fake jail claim? Or you know that is the real jailor speaking and you want to ruin his code?

[Kennen]

So, someone's lying about being jailed? Personally, I think Jarvan's case seems to be the strangest, but I want to hear this all out.

[Fiora]

Also, Irelia what did you and the jailor discuss during the rest of the night?
Why refrain from including this information in your original post when it would only strengthen a claim that you knew would be in debate?

[Jarvan IV]

I would like to reiterate:

This post seems incredibly suspicious. 1) They both reveal coms on a citizen claim. WTF. 2) The Jailor will reveal his true identity when he is about to be lynched. Perhaps it's Lucy who will reveal to get support? 3) The Cit role is the safest role to be claimed by mafia at this point I believe considering witching/bus driving/ etc. Either way, if you are a citizen, from a town perspective you just failed in your goal of deflecting a shot from a town PR. Unless this is pro WIFOM.

The fact that the jailor was willing to reveal such information on a cit claim seems to me that it's Lucy looking for town support in case of a lynch.

Also, you haven't retracted your vote on Pantheon. May I ask what motivated this vote.

Read back a few pages. I explained why. As I said, to be honest, I don't care how scummy you feel I am. You're saying you don't know why the jailor would reveal information to me because I'm a cit. What exactly is that supposed to mean? Jailors should be elitist assholes, or are you referring to yourself?

[Karthus]

I don't understand...how can one be both jailed and the jailor? I expect an answer from Irelia and no one else...

[Jarvan IV]

So, someone's lying about being jailed? Personally, I think Jarvan's case seems to be the strangest, but I want to hear this all out.

What exactly is strange about it?

[Irelia]

BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!


Hehe. Glad to be playing with you again ^^ hopefully this time you will completely understand me.

[Fiora]

Read back a few pages. I explained why. As I said, to be honest, I don't care how scummy you feel I am. You're saying you don't know why the jailor would reveal information to me because I'm a cit. What exactly is that supposed to mean? Jailors should be elitist assholes, or are you referring to yourself?

Honestly. Do people even read each other's posts? He clearly implied that a cit claim was the most likely to be used by a mafia. Therefore, a person claiming citizen in the jail would be more scummy, and the jailor would not reveal com name to someone he thought was scummy.
In my opinion people who are scum are more likely be so aggressive on wrong points because they are so eager to deflect suspicion on themselves that they jump on anything they think they can say against their accusers.

[Jarvan IV]

Honestly. Do people even read each other's posts? He clearly implied that a cit claim was the most likely to be used by a mafia. Therefore, a person claiming citizen in the jail would be more scummy, and the jailor would not reveal com name to someone he thought was scummy.
In my opinion people who are scum are more likely be so aggressive on wrong points because they are so eager to deflect suspicion on themselves that they jump on anything they think they can say against their accusers.

Okay. TL;DR version: I think you're scum.

Jackass, why would I lie? I claimed I was jailed no more than a few minutes after Lee Sin. If you have a question, by all means, ask.

[Gunther]

Read back a few pages. I explained why. As I said, to be honest, I don't care how scummy you feel I am. You're saying you don't know why the jailor would reveal information to me because I'm a cit. What exactly is that supposed to mean? Jailors should be elitist assholes, or are you referring to yourself?

As a minor nitpick to your shady claim, why do you insist on referring to yourself as a cit when your role card is Abstergo Agent? It certainly doesn't help your case. And given that you believed yourself to be role-blocked by the jailor last night, well that sounds an awful lot like the jailor that visited you and didn't understand the rules either, doesn't it? I'm willing to bet that you are Goremancer, and that your jailor situation is B.S.

Let's not forget that Elixir freaked out and banned direct jail quoting when Lee Sin was about to do it, so I think it's clear he was one of the jailed people and frankly, Lux's claim seems stronger even if there's still some things I'd like them to answer.

With that in mind

-vote Jarvan IV

You still haven't clarified your earlier statements about being witched, and I'd like to know why you lied about being jailed. Or at least more information to convince me that you are one of the three telling the truth.

[Maokai]

Well, unfortunately for this third jailor but it seems like his elaborate plan has been foiled simply from the existence of three jailors apparently. Hope you have a backup plan.

Whomever came up with that is fairly clever, but cleverness is not common in this game, I think it would have been better for you to have crossed the jailor on this one and just admitted to being jailed. The only thing to come from this is to throw this third jailor to the dogs.

Also, Jarvan IV I would appreciate it if you respond to my questions.

[Irelia]

I don't understand...how can one be both jailed and the jailor? I expect an answer from Irelia and no one else...

You have already received an answer that makes your statement show you are not paying attention, or are just trolling.


Also, Irelia what did you and the jailor discuss during the rest of the night?
Why refrain from including this information in your original post when it would only strengthen a claim that you knew would be in debate?
Naturally the jailor asked for my COM name, role, night action (if any) and if I read the handbook fully and understood it completely. We discussed other things as well.

[Karthus]

Forget the thing about the Irelia for now I was merely coaxing her into defending herself with big girl words because she appears to be a twat. I'll instead point out that Jarvan had a sudden announcement of his jail code and stated that we should be asking Irelia "what the fuck she's on about" almost immediately after Irelia posted her quote...

Undoubtedly so...

[Fiora]

Hey guys! Miss me!??!!
Sorry I didn't say at the partay too long last night!!! I was contacted by someone and spent the night talking with them!
Also I was told to spread a message to you guys. If you would please read this.


-------->"<---------I AM THE TOWN ANIMUS SUPERVISOR... ... ... PROTECT ME, AND I WILL PROTECT YOU IN RETURN.[COLOR="#00FF00"]------->"<-------
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I don't understand...how can one be both jailed and the jailor? I expect an answer from Irelia and no one else...

I don't understand how you are still in confusion about this. Irelia made it clear that it was the jailor saying the message and not her. I point out these things earlier and you again post without rereading the post?
Why are you so determined to put suspicion on Irelia's claim and not Lee Sin's or Jarvan's?

[Jarvan IV]

Forget the thing about the Irelia for now I was merely coaxing her into defending herself with big girl words because she appears to be a twat. I'll instead point out that Jarvan had a sudden announcement of his jail code and stated that we should be asking Irelia "what the fuck she's on about" almost immediately after Irelia posted her quote...

Undoubtedly so...

And? A few pages back you posted a code of some type, I asked you to elaborate and you ignored me but since the spotlight is currently on us, Karthus, please. Do tell what that was about.

[Gangplank]

Jarvan: others have compounded on my ideas that cit claims would be more likely for mafia.

However, the main problem I find with your claim is simply the openness of the jailor. If he was a town jailor and you claimed citizen, a role that is distinctly impossible to prove and also a common claim in this game for scum, especially for example Desmond Miles, I find it highly unlikely that your jailor would suddenly be open with you on your citizen claim, which leads me to believe it was Lucy looking for a supporter among the townsfolk.

Of course, you could be completely innocent and its just that the jailor is Lucy, which is why at this point I will refrain from voting on you. However, I would like to see you shore up your claim with answers to our questions, especially considering that you are one of the people with a vote on someone (Pantheon of all people). I'll be going to sleep in a few minutes so I hope to see a response and be able to answer before I go to bed.

[Irelia]

Well, unfortunately for this third jailor but it seems like his elaborate plan has been foiled simply from the existence of three jailors apparently. Hope you have a backup plan.

Whomever came up with that is fairly clever, but cleverness is not common in this game, I think it would have been better for you to have crossed the jailor on this one and just admitted to being jailed. The only thing to come from this is to throw this third jailor to the dogs.

Also, Jarvan IV I would appreciate it if you respond to my questions.
I agree. This jailor does seem clever. I'm not sure what he/she has up her sleeve. And I promised I would deliver the message (a "condition" of my survival). I also wanted to see the development of this plan as well.

[Fiora]

Naturally the jailor asked for my COM name, role, night action (if any) and if I read the handbook fully and understood it completely. We discussed other things as well.
... the idea is that if you were actually jailed you would know things that you talked about and would be able to tell us specific things the jailor said, the phrasings and styles that the jailor used while writing, general tone, etc.

[Jarvan IV]

As a minor nitpick to your shady claim, why do you insist on referring to yourself as a cit when your role card is Abstergo Agent? It certainly doesn't help your case. And given that you believed yourself to be role-blocked by the jailor last night, well that sounds an awful lot like the jailor that visited you and didn't understand the rules either, doesn't it? I'm willing to bet that you are Goremancer, and that your jailor situation is B.S.

Let's not forget that Elixir freaked out and banned direct jail quoting when Lee Sin was about to do it, so I think it's clear he was one of the jailed people and frankly, Lux's claim seems stronger even if there's still some things I'd like them to answer.

With that in mind

-vote Jarvan IV

You still haven't clarified your earlier statements about being witched, and I'd like to know why you lied about being jailed. Or at least more information to convince me that you are one of the three telling the truth.

I didn't lie about shit. I was posting someone tried to witch me, and it failed. Your point is? I just had gotten the PM at that time.

[Jarvan IV]

Jarvan: others have compounded on my ideas that cit claims would be more likely for mafia.

However, the main problem I find with your claim is simply the openness of the jailor. If he was a town jailor and you claimed citizen, a role that is distinctly impossible to prove and also a common claim in this game for scum, especially for example Desmond Miles, I find it highly unlikely that your jailor would suddenly be open with you on your citizen claim, which leads me to believe it was Lucy looking for a supporter among the townsfolk.

Of course, you could be completely innocent and its just that the jailor is Lucy, which is why at this point I will refrain from voting on you. However, I would like to see you shore up your claim with answers to our questions, especially considering that you are one of the people with a vote on someone (Pantheon of all people). I'll be going to sleep in a few minutes so I hope to see a response and be able to answer before I go to bed.

I didn't see a question.

[Irelia]

I didn't lie about shit. I was posting someone tried to witch me, and it failed. Your point is? I just had gotten the PM at that time.

You blamed the witch failure on the "fact" you were jailed btw. As in you thought you were RBed last night by being jailed. That is a misconception. You are only RBed when you are executed.

[Alan Rikkin]

Okay... Irelia, I don't believe that "technically not a quote"... I honestly think you are a big liar... I'm sure Game Master wouldn't let you 'bend the rules' like that... I think that was just a lie.


sorry... sorry if i'm wrong!

[Jarvan IV]

You blamed the witch failure on the "fact" you were jailed btw. As in you thought you were RBed last night by being jailed. That is a misconception. You are only RBed when you are executed.

No I didn't. I said it failed probably becasue I was jailed, and the fact I'm a cit. As I said, I couldn't give two nasty diarrhea shits as to if you vote me or not, considering I'm a citizen. I posted what happened last night, and that's what happened.

[Karthus]

And? A few pages back you posted a code of some type, I asked you to elaborate and you ignored me but since the spotlight is currently on us, Karthus, please. Do tell what that was about.

You seem to enjoy pushing blame onto others when you are being inspected...

[Gangplank]

I didn't see a question.

I'd like you to explain why the jailor trusted your citizen claim so implicitly as to give out valuable info such as his COM name.

I said: "However, the main problem I find with your claim is simply the openness of the jailor... I find it highly unlikely that your jailor would suddenly be open with you on your citizen claim, which leads me to believe it was Lucy looking for a supporter among the townsfolk."

[Jarvan IV]

And I said I was RBed because that's what the jailor said. "Jailing counts as a heal and RB, so I'm like an advanced Doctor/Escort."

My jailor said something along those lines. If you'd like to terminate my contract, by all means, do it.
I don't have shit to hide other than my shit eating grin once you read my last will and role tomorrow.

[Alistar]

-vote Jarvan IV

possibly the weakest bandwagon ever on Pantheon and for trying too hard to maintain his jailor is town alligned. With three
jailed claims someone is definetly lying and your jailed claim is the most suspicous. I wonder how truthful your citizen claim is?

[Jarvan IV]

I'd like you to explain why the jailor trusted your citizen claim so implicitly as to give out valuable info such as his COM name.

I said: "However, the main problem I find with your claim is simply the openness of the jailor... I find it highly unlikely that your jailor would suddenly be open with you on your citizen claim, which leads me to believe it was Lucy looking for a supporter among the townsfolk."





Why would I know he accepted my cit claim? He told me his COM name because he said it has no impact on what's going on in FM since we can't talk about FM outside of FM anyway.

[Jarvan IV]

-vote Jarvan IV

possibly the weakest bandwagon ever on Pantheon and for trying too hard to maintain his jailor is town alligned. With three
jailed claims someone is definetly lying and your jailed claim is the most suspicous. I wonder how truthful your citizen claim is?

Wonder all you want while you gargle on my cock.

[Jarvan IV]

Why would I know he accepted my cit claim? He told me his COM name because he said it has no impact on what's going on in FM since we can't talk about FM outside of FM anyway.

How would I know why*

[Gunther]

I didn't lie about shit. I was posting someone tried to witch me, and it failed. Your point is? I just had gotten the PM at that time.

You say that again, and I would like to know why you think it failed? Originally you said it failed because you were jailed not because you're a "citizen".

That, to me, sounds like someone that has a night action, wanted to gain town support, and then realized they needed to assure everyone there was no shady business. I still don't know what the two kills at the start of the day mean (I assume Anson was killed by the mafia/a serial killer, but the consigliere's death I don't understand). Claiming that you're really truly a citizen doesn't seem very pro-town to me unless you're just a power role looking for some protection, but again trying too hard to be a citizen looks less like laying low to gather information and more like a mafia freaking out. And I'd also think a power role laying low wouldn't want this kind of heat on themselves in the middle of the day.

And I think you speaking to a jailor was an attempt at causing confusion and giving the "good" jailor something to do tonight when they talked to people ("Oh hai guys, I'm not Lucy Stillman, I'm Goremancer the good guy jailor! Give me your deets. Thanks!").

[Irelia]

No I didn't. I said it failed probably becasue I was jailed, and the fact I'm a cit. As I said, I couldn't give two nasty diarrhea shits as to if you vote me or not, considering I'm a citizen. I posted what happened last night, and that's what happened.

Mk. Well notice it did not fail at all because you were jailed. Jailing has no effect on your night actions. Why so defensive? I was just stating facts.


Okay... Irelia, I don't believe that "technically not a quote"... I honestly think you are a big liar... I'm sure Game Master wouldn't let you 'bend the rules' like that... I think that was just a lie.


sorry... sorry if i'm wrong!
Well there was more in the post than just that message, so still it is technically not a direct quote. Also I edited it. The GM has not sent me any messages about this. If it breaks his rules, then he can delete the post, modkill me or do whatever. I'm just doing what the jailor said and saying what he/she said. Since it was an order, I am not really quoting him. I'm just relaying his message. If the GM has any problems, please let me now. The GM can read what was said in my chat and as far as I'm concerned I have not broken the rules. If there was an issue with me doing this, he would have posted it in the night thread I shared with the jailor.

[Jarvan IV]

You say that again, and I would like to know why you think it failed? Originally you said it failed because you were jailed not because you're a "citizen".

That, to me, sounds like someone that has a night action, wanted to gain town support, and then realized they needed to assure everyone there was no shady business. I still don't know what the two kills at the start of the day mean (I assume Anson was killed by the mafia/a serial killer, but the consigliere's death I don't understand). Claiming that you're really truly a citizen doesn't seem very pro-town to me unless you're just a power role looking for some protection, but again trying too hard to be a citizen looks less like laying low to gather information and more like a mafia freaking out. And I'd also think a power role laying low wouldn't want this kind of heat on themselves in the middle of the day.

And I think you speaking to a jailor was an attempt at causing confusion and giving the "good" jailor something to do tonight when they talked to people ("Oh hai guys, I'm not Lucy Stillman, I'm Goremancer the good guy jailor! Give me your deets. Thanks!").

Um.. okay? I don't know how me speaking to a jailor would cause confusion, but whatever.

If my jailor is out there he's a fucking cock for not speaking up and I regret defending his sorry ass. By now I'm beginning to think it WAS Lucy, considering how he was so quick for me to stand up for him if he were to get lynched, and how he's sitting back doing fuck all as people are trying to pin me up against a wall.

[Jarvan IV]

Mk. Well notice it did not fail at all because you were jailed. Jailing has no effect on your night actions. Why so defensive? I was just stating facts.


Well there was more in the post than just that message, so still it is technically not a direct quote. Also I edited it. The GM has not sent me any messages about this. If it breaks his rules, then he can delete the post, modkill me or do whatever. I'm just doing what the jailor said and saying what he/she said. Since it was an order, I am not really quoting him. I'm just relaying his message. If the GM has any problems, please let me now. The GM can read what was said in my chat and as far as I'm concerned I have not broken the rules. If there was an issue with me doing this, he would have posted it in the night thread I shared with the jailor.

I'm going by the PM I got saying someone attempted to witch me. It didn't say it failed or not, but I'M saying it failed because I was in jail and I'm a cit so it didn't matter.

[Gangplank]

Well, Jarvan, COM names are important pieces of information. I know there are a lot of deductive people out there with experience with other people's play style who can identify COM names very accurately. With that in mind, I consider COM names to be rather valuable information. However, I am reconsidering my evaluation of your scumminess. Once I log on tomorrow and see some more posts I'll try to draw some new conclusions.

In any case, I hope this town doesn't immediately get a bandwagon on Jarvan or anyone. We have a 48-hour day, we need to milk it for as much as its worth. I advise those with votes on Jarvan to cancel them at this point until new info comes to light.

I don't think Irelia's quote was rule bending, the jailor wanted that to get posted. With Lee Sin that was writing styles and such that was never supposed to be publicized.

[Irelia]

Those who claimed jailed tell me the title of the chat you shared with the jailor! What was the thread name??? It was under Forum Mafia XI ---> "WHAT WAS HERE" --> NIGHT 1

[Fiora]

Okay... Irelia, I don't believe that "technically not a quote"... I honestly think you are a big liar... I'm sure Game Master wouldn't let you 'bend the rules' like that... I think that was just a lie.


To be honest, I thought the same thing at first, but I am inclined to believe Irelia's claim of being jailed. I believe Irelia's claim because I know that Irelia is COM Blazer (the purpose of the whole invis ink conversation was to confirm Blazer's COM claim - as well as having a little fun with invisible ink and being able to normally converse without breaking out of character). If Blazer is indeed lying and was not jailed, then he would have to have come up with the jailor's ploy/code by himself. It is a very clever code, and the whole post itself does not seem Blazer's style. Blazer does like to highlight parts of quotes in colors though (almost obsessively so).
The code in itself is VERY similar to a code used in FMX - I will go now check who used it, but if I remember correctly I am almost positive i know who the Jailor is.

[Gangplank]

Time to sleep, bye yall! Need some recuperation after that paaarty.

[Irelia]

To be honest, I thought the same thing at first, but I am inclined to believe Irelia's claim of being jailed. I believe Irelia's claim because I know that Irelia is COM Blazer (the purpose of the whole invis ink conversation was to confirm Blazer's COM claim - as well as having a little fun with invisible ink and being able to normally converse without breaking out of character). If Blazer is indeed lying and was not jailed, then he would have to have come up with the jailor's ploy/code by himself. It is a very clever code, and the whole post itself does not seem Blazer's style. Blazer does like to highlight parts of quotes in colors though (almost obsessively so).
The code in itself is VERY similar to a code used in FMX - I will go now check who used it, but if I remember correctly I am almost positive i know who the Jailor is.

You calling me dumb? lol

[Jarvan IV]

Well, Jarvan, COM names are important pieces of information. I know there are a lot of deductive people out there with experience with other people's play style who can identify COM names very accurately. With that in mind, I consider COM names to be rather valuable information. However, I am reconsidering my evaluation of your scumminess. Once I log on tomorrow and see some more posts I'll try to draw some new conclusions.

In any case, I hope this town doesn't immediately get a bandwagon on Jarvan or anyone. We have a 48-hour day, we need to milk it for as much as its worth. I advise those with votes on Jarvan to cancel them at this point until new info comes to light.

I don't think Irelia's quote was rule bending, the jailor wanted that to get posted. With Lee Sin that was writing styles and such that was never supposed to be publicized.

That list bit makes me feel like people are voting me because the GM hasn't broken my balls for not posting a direct quote and getting in trouble. If that's why people are voting me, then I encourage it. Waste your vote because I didn't break rules, doesn't matter to me.

My COM: Bruno
My jailor's COM: Goremancer (Supposedly)

[Jarvan IV]

Now if you will all excuse me, I'll return momentarily after some firey diarrhea/

[Irelia]

Time to sleep, bye yall! Need some recuperation after that paaarty.

Goodnight ^^

[Irelia]

Now if you will all excuse me, I'll return momentarily after some firey diarrhea/

I like how you take a break right when I ask for some solid evidence that you were indeed jailed. And you post this after I ask my question.

[Kennen]

Guys, check the handbook, there could be a second town-sided jailor, but . . .

The question is, why would Jarvan IV want his jailor to claim and save his skin if he's just a citizen? While it could sort out this 3 jail claim mess, Jarvan IV could also be lying entirely about being jailed, too.

Because of those two reasons,
-vote Jarvan IV

[Gunther]

Well, Jarvan, COM names are important pieces of information. I know there are a lot of deductive people out there with experience with other people's play style who can identify COM names very accurately. With that in mind, I consider COM names to be rather valuable information. However, I am reconsidering my evaluation of your scumminess. Once I log on tomorrow and see some more posts I'll try to draw some new conclusions.

In any case, I hope this town doesn't immediately get a bandwagon on Jarvan or anyone. We have a 48-hour day, we need to milk it for as much as its worth. I advise those with votes on Jarvan to cancel them at this point until new info comes to light.

I don't think Irelia's quote was rule bending, the jailor wanted that to get posted. With Lee Sin that was writing styles and such that was never supposed to be publicized.

I see your point, and I will remove my vote if a bandwagon does get started, but as of right now I'd just like to ask one question: Why is a citizen so defensive about being lynched? It's the same reason I wonder why he claimed citizen in jail and worried about being executed. Don't you think a citizen would claim Mayor or Bodyguard or Veteran or anything to get killed by the Mafia jailor and use their execution up for the team?

[Forum Mafia GM]

I'm going to make my stance on this issue clear.


I like Trains

This is a direct quote. Something I will not allow

someguy said "I like Trains."

This is not a direct quote. You can do this as much as you like.

[Maokai]

What do you guys reckon is the possibility that Jarvan IV is witch and was jailed by the mafia jailor last night?
Explains why he doesn't doubt his jailor is town, and a lot of his jittery attitude to being questioned.

The only thing I can't explain is how they would broach the subject, other than the mafia jailor just being absolutely upfront about it.

Unlikely? Yeah, a lot. But so is revolutionists being killed night one.

[Lux]

The only problem is, the message sent by Irelia could easily have been written by Lucy Stillman. It appeals that some of you overlooked that. I would say that Irelia left the party early, but our Brief Respite has ended.

As to whose claim I don't believe, it is probably Jarvan's, as stated before, his actions don't make very much sense, and he's actually starting to contradict himself now. I would vote him, but I've played with Blazer, and in every game he plays, he begins some absurd WIFOM that doesn't necessarily work all the time, and this claim is at an odd timing as well.

I believe Lee Sin was jailed by Lucy Stillman.

EU, take this over when you wake up, we out.

[Zilean]

I don't have much to add, except that Poppy is almost definitely not MagmaRam.

[Jarvan IV]

I see your point, and I will remove my vote if a bandwagon does get started, but as of right now I'd just like to ask one question: Why is a citizen so defensive about being lynched? It's the same reason I wonder why he claimed citizen in jail and worried about being executed. Don't you think a citizen would claim Mayor or Bodyguard or Veteran or anything to get killed by the Mafia jailor and use their execution up for the team?

Because I'm a selfish person. I'd rather stay alive than die. He asked for my role, and gave it to him.

Whoever thought telling the truth could be scummy?

Irelia, what question do you have burning to ask me? I didn't see it.

[Fiora]

Blazer still yet to post a report of conversation with the jailor...

[Irelia]

The only problem is, the message sent by Irelia could easily have been written by Lucy Stillman. It appeals that some of you overlooked that. I would say that Irelia left the party early, but our Brief Respite has ended.

As to whose claim I don't believe, it is probably Jarvan's, as stated before, his actions don't make very much sense, and he's actually starting to contradict himself now. I would vote him, but I've played with Blazer, and in every game he plays, he begins some absurd WIFOM that doesn't necessarily work all the time, and this claim is at an odd timing as well.

I believe Lee Sin was jailed by Lucy Stillman.

EU, take this over when you wake up, we out.

Sorry I couldn't get on earlier and be the first one to post -.-
And yes, it very well may be Lucy Stillman who jailed me. However, from our conversation I am inclined to believe otherwise, for now.
And I don't start some absurd wifom every game.....plus my "wifoms" are usually simple ones that don't include a lot of detail or planning. I take the lazy way out. Like it was said before, that just isn't my style.

[Irelia]

Those who claimed jailed tell me the title of the chat you shared with the jailor! What was the thread name??? It was under Forum Mafia XI ---> "WHAT WAS HERE" --> NIGHT 1

Answer that one Jarvan.

@Fiora I did address it. I mentioned some of what we talked about, but ask me whatever you want. I am capable of answering any question about it.

[Jarvan IV]

Answer that one Jarvan.

@Fiora I did address it. I mentioned some of what we talked about, but ask me whatever you want. I am capable of answering any question about it.

I don't remember. I didn't save the logs. I think it was called Animus Supervisor Chamber or something like that, the only thread in it was named role.

[Irelia]

I don't remember. I didn't save the logs. I think it was called Animus Supervisor Chamber or something like that, the only thread in it was named role.

Ok. Thank you for answering it. Now for the other person to answer it.

[Shaco]

Shaco would like to take this moment to clarify that Animus Supervisor (Jailor) is a possible hidden town role and that no one is necessarily lying about being jailed. Shaco is inclined to believe all of them. Shaco would also like to take this moment to -vote Karthus, for speaking in code and refusing to clarify, pressuring Irelia for no known reason, and generally seeming scummy.

[Irelia]

Shaco would like to take this moment to clarify that Animus Supervisor (Jailor) is a possible hidden town role and that no one is necessarily lying about being jailed. Shaco is inclined to believe all of them. Shaco would also like to take this moment to -vote Karthus, for speaking in code and refusing to clarify, pressuring Irelia for no known reason, and generally seeming scummy.

Yes, it is very much true. 3 jailors is possilbe. However, Jarvan answered first. I will not say if his answer is right or wrong yet, I want to see what Lee Sinn posts.

[Jarvan IV]

Teach.
rule.
Zombies.
1.
Ring.

When I asked him to clarify this, he stopped posting all together, yet I'm scummy. Okay, whatever.

-vote Karthus

[Jarvan IV]

I'd like to add he's lurking without defending by the way. I can see him RIGHT NOW in the "Users browsing this thread" area.

[Maokai]

Those who claimed jailed tell me the title of the chat you shared with the jailor! What was the thread name??? It was under Forum Mafia XI ---> "WHAT WAS HERE" --> NIGHT 1

Umm no offense but dont you think this is a little too meta? Its like asking someone to read their rolecard, but its not listed in help.

I'm all for using resources but there's a line.

[Zilean]

I'd like to add he's lurking without defending by the way. I can see him RIGHT NOW in the "Users browsing this thread" area.
And with this, I would like to -vote Karthus

[Fiora]

Shaco would also like to take this moment to -vote Karthus, for speaking in code and refusing to clarify, pressuring Irelia for no known reason, and generally seeming scummy.
I second this movement.
Also, why is it so god damn hard to find posts from FMX? I KNOW someone used a disguiser check similar to the jailor codes posted by blazer in the jail message...
Anyone else remember who it was? I first thought it was FM Nick (DramaLlama), but upon checking, it appears I am wrong.

Blazer, lets start with (in your beautiful favorite color)
Did you save your jail conversations?

[Irelia]

Umm no offense but dont you think this is a little too meta? Its like asking someone to read their rolecard, but its not listed in help.

I'm all for using resources but there's a line.

Well in an RP i'm sure the room would be labeled. So I wouldn't THINK it would be too bad....but if the GM says otherwise, that's cool too. Just trying to see what I can get.

[Irelia]

I second this movement.
Also, why is it so god damn hard to find posts from FMX? I KNOW someone used a disguiser check similar to the jailor codes posted by blazer in the jail message...
Anyone else remember who it was? I first thought it was FM Nick (DramaLlama), but upon checking, it appears I am wrong.

Blazer, lets start with (in your beautiful favorite color)
Did you save your jail conversations?
1st. Wrong color, I use violet.
2nd. I have records of it yes.

[Fiora]

Oh derp, forgot to include this part in my vote
-Vote Karthus

[LeBlanc]

This is hilarious. Three jailed claims at break of day.

What to think of jarvan... He is onthe defensive, triping over his own words; notice he said his jailor told him that he will be roleblocked and healed. which means that the jailor was deliberately lying or don't even read his own role card. Tho this also implies jarvan himself didn't read the role card. He claim cit yet the first reason he offers for a failed witching is that he was roleblocked. His claim definately sounds full of holes. but I cant think of one reason why anyone would lie bout being jailed. Theres no benefits to claiming jailed. at all. It only brings trouble once the real jailed person claims. I'm leaning toward believing that he was jailed (tho not anything else) only because it makes no sense to lie about it.

[Fiora]

Can you give us, in order, the things that the jailor asked you about? and what your responses were? This does not have to be specific quotes, but I would like something more concrete than this:

Naturally the jailor asked for my COM name, role, night action (if any) and if I read the handbook fully and understood it completely. We discussed other things as well.

[Jarvan IV]

This is hilarious. Three jailed claims at break of day.

What to think of jarvan... He is onthe defensive, triping over his own words; notice he said his jailor told him that he will be roleblocked and healed. which means that the jailor was deliberately lying or don't even read his own role card. Tho this also implies jarvan himself didn't read the role card. He claim cit yet the first reason he offers for a failed witching is that he was roleblocked. His claim definately sounds full of holes. but I cant think of one reason why anyone would lie bout being jailed. Theres no benefits to claiming jailed. at all. It only brings trouble once the real jailed person claims. I'm leaning toward believing that he was jailed (tho not anything else) only because it makes no sense to lie about it.

As I've said, I don't care if someone votes me, if I get lynched the world will keep spinning, I'm only cit. I'm much rather be ALIVE and actively involved, but whatever. If I've given you the impression I'm scummy despite Karthus' lurking and not defining his code, then whatever. Vote me.

[Karthus]

You seem to be focusing on the wrong gentlemen for an obscure reason...

[Maokai]

Well in an RP i'm sure the room would be labeled. So I wouldn't THINK it would be too bad....but if the GM says otherwise, that's cool too. Just trying to see what I can get.
I don't quite follow you. We're not roleplaying, this is FM. And it kind of ruins the spirit of the game to ask for something only someone jailed could possibly know like that. It'd be like asking how many words were in the PM informing you that you were jailed.

[Jarvan IV]

You seem to be focusing on the wrong gentlemen for an obscure reason...

It's not obscure. You've posted in a code, lurked, and refused to answer what it means. If you're hinting at voting me, then do it fucker. See if I care.

[Jarvan IV]

I don't quite follow you. We're not roleplaying, this is FM. And it kind of ruins the spirit of the game to ask for something only someone jailed could possibly know like that. It'd be like asking how many words were in the PM informing you that you were jailed.

I'll paraphrase.

"An Animus Supervisor is watching you in the Animus tonight.

Night chats you could have are disabled.
You are immune to death.
It's not a roleblock.
You get night chat with the jailor and it'll take about 30 minutes to be created.

Is that enough for you?

[Fiora]

7 - Rules and Code of Conduct
.
.
.
Dont lie about mechanics.
I assume the jailor would not be allowed to lie to you about how the jail affects you. It is possible that the jailor did not know himself how the jail works (apparently, more likely since the jailor is supposedly Goremancer). In the rules it does not say that lying about mechanics is not allowed, so it is possible that it is just discouraged. However, seeing that in the rule book, i would assume no one would lie about mechanics the first day until he was absolutely sure that he was allowed to.

[Sona]

I HAD A GOOD STRETCHING.


Also, why is it so god damn hard to find posts from FMX? I KNOW someone used a disguiser check similar to the jailor codes posted by blazer in the jail message...
Anyone else remember who it was? I first thought it was FM Nick (DramaLlama), but upon checking, it appears I am wrong.

THE HIVE MIND THINKS YOU ARE SPEAKING OF MUSO. ALSO KNOWN BY THE NAME FM_THEWAAAGH.

FIDDLESTICKS IS A THREAT TO OUR FACILITY AND MUST BE EXTERMINATED.

-VOTE FIDDLESTICKS

[Jarvan IV]

I assume the jailor would not be allowed to lie to you about how the jail affects you. It is possible that the jailor did not know himself how the jail works (apparently, more likely since the jailor is supposedly Goremancer). In the rules it does not say that lying about mechanics is not allowed, so it is possible that it is just discouraged. However, seeing that in the rule book, i would assume no one would lie about mechanics the first day until he was absolutely sure that he was allowed to.

Well the Game master could be seen as someone browsing and he didn't correct the jailor for saying he had 3 executions.

Maybe he said he was bluffing and only had one after I said I was cit because the GM threated him or something.

[Irelia]

I don't quite follow you. We're not roleplaying, this is FM. And it kind of ruins the spirit of the game to ask for something only someone jailed could possibly know like that. It'd be like asking how many words were in the PM informing you that you were jailed.

Lol. Well in this game you have to use what you can ^^ but I see your point. Perhaps the false claimer (if one exists) should have thought of this first.


Can you give us, in order, the things that the jailor asked you about? and what your responses were? This does not have to be specific quotes, but I would like something more concrete than this:

"I WILL BE SUPERVISING YOU TONIGHT. YOU ARE REQUESTED TO STATE:
1- YOUR COM NAME
2- YOUR ROLE
3- YOUR PREDICTED NIGHT ACTION TONIGHT, IF ANY
4- WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE READ ALL PARTS OF THE ABSTERGO HANDBOOK AND REALIZE THE FULL IMPLICATIONS OF BEING SUPERVISED

IF YOU ARE UNABLE/UNWILLING TO ANSWER ANY PART OF THE ABOVE, PLEASE STATE YOUR REASONS CLEARLY.

IF I, AT ANY TIME, CATCH YOU LYING, AND MAY YOU BE FOREWARNED I WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO QUITE EASILY, I WILL NOT HESITATE TO TERMINATE YOUR CONTRACT PERMANENTLY.

PROCEED."

That's what the first post contained.

[Irelia]

I'll paraphrase.

"An Animus Supervisor is watching you in the Animus tonight.

Night chats you could have are disabled.
You are immune to death.
It's not a roleblock.
You get night chat with the jailor and it'll take about 30 minutes to be created.

Is that enough for you?

I approve this message.

[Jarvan IV]

Lol. Well in this game you have to use what you can ^^ but I see your point. Perhaps the false claimer (if one exists) should have thought of this first.



"I WILL BE SUPERVISING YOU TONIGHT. YOU ARE REQUESTED TO STATE:
1- YOUR COM NAME
2- YOUR ROLE
3- YOUR PREDICTED NIGHT ACTION TONIGHT, IF ANY
4- WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE READ ALL PARTS OF THE ABSTERGO HANDBOOK AND REALIZE THE FULL IMPLICATIONS OF BEING SUPERVISED

IF YOU ARE UNABLE/UNWILLING TO ANSWER ANY PART OF THE ABOVE, PLEASE STATE YOUR REASONS CLEARLY.

IF I, AT ANY TIME, CATCH YOU LYING, AND MAY YOU BE FOREWARNED I WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO QUITE EASILY, I WILL NOT HESITATE TO TERMINATE YOUR CONTRACT PERMANENTLY.

PROCEED."

That's what the first post contained.

My first post only said

"
role.
give me your role. don't lie i will find out immediately.
you have been warned. i will kill you if you lie
"
And that's all.

[Maokai]

I'll paraphrase.

"An Animus Supervisor is watching you in the Animus tonight.

Night chats you could have are disabled.
You are immune to death.
It's not a roleblock.
You get night chat with the jailor and it'll take about 30 minutes to be created.

Is that enough for you?

I didn't ask you to but if it says you aren't roleblocked right there why did you believe the jailor?

[Fiora]

he will find out IMMEDIATELY. BE SCARED.
lol

[Jarvan IV]

I didn't ask you to but if it says you aren't roleblocked right there why did you believe the jailor?

Because I didn't think jailor would lie. I didn't know if it were a revised rule or not.

[Jarvan IV]

he will find out IMMEDIATELY. BE SCARED.
lol

I lol'd. He was really impatient, too. When I called him on it he said it was because he wanted to put pressure on me.

[Irelia]

Because I didn't think jailor would lie. I didn't know if it were a revised rule or not.

Someone didn't read the handbook close enough ^^

[Jarvan IV]

Someone didn't read the handbook close enough ^^

I didn't look too closely with jailor :p
I never expected to be jailed.. I probably shouldn't have been as violent as I was on the first day.

[Irelia]

I didn't look too closely with jailor :p
I never expected to be jailed.. I probably shouldn't have been as violent as I was on the first day.

I expected something. #1 poster and all ;)

[Fiora]

*one questions why using a [QUOTE] tag is any different than using "s...
in either case you can write whatever you want within the quotes...

[Maokai]

Because I didn't think jailor would lie. I didn't know if it were a revised rule or not.

You didn't think the jailor would lie? Why?

[Jarvan IV]

I expected something. #1 poster and all ;)

Lol, I just hope that if I die it's in a cool way so everyone goes WOAHHHAHAHAHHAHA in the description on the third day.

GM have you ever seen the movie Watchmen? If so, please give me a badass death like Rorshack would recieve.. like being blown up by Dr. Manhattan.

[Fiora]

You didn't think the jailor would lie? Why?

7 - Rules and Code of Conduct
.
.
.
Dont lie about mechanics.
could have something to do with it?

[Jarvan IV]

You didn't think the jailor would lie? Why?

Against the rules in the handbook as someone earlier pointed out.

[LeBlanc]

i am completely confused on what is and is not allowed by quoting jailed chats. Like what fiora said: why is there a difference between putting the [quote] thing and not? lol

[Fiora]

The sole difference is that one is allowed by the rules while the other one isn't. I guess GM relies on people like Karthus being illiterate enough to not notice a quote unless it is in a [QUOTE] tag.

[Jarvan IV]

The sole difference is that one is allowed by the rules while the other one isn't. I guess GM relies on people like Karthus being illiterate enough to not notice a quote unless it is in a [QUOTE] tag.

Karthus STILL has yet to elaborate what his code means. I don't know why people are bandwagoning me.

[Karthus]

Being unkind to people to gain favor to your side is irresponsible...

[Maokai]

Against the rules in the handbook as someone earlier pointed out.

You lied about being roleblocked as well earlier in day chat. Does that mean you broke the rules as well?

I'm kind of beating a dead horse here as others have already brought it up but I find your absolute trust in the jailor somewhat troubling considering there is a confirmed evil jailor. The fact that you might be deceived never even crossed your mind?

[Fiora]

LOL Jarvan got owned by forum mechanics when trying to [QUOTE] me saying [QUOTE]
[QUOTE] this. just try.

[Jarvan IV]

LOL Jarvan got owned by forum mechanics when trying to [QUOTE] me saying [QUOTE]
[QUOTE] this. just try.

You made me do it.

[Jarvan IV]

You lied about being roleblocked as well earlier in day chat. Does that mean you broke the rules as well?

I'm kind of beating a dead horse here as others have already brought it up but I find your absolute trust in the jailor somewhat troubling considering there is a confirmed evil jailor. The fact that you might be deceived never even crossed your mind?

I didn't lie about shit. The witch visited me. "Some asshole showed you the Apple of Eden! You have been controlled and you don't remember what happened and yadda yadda!"

[Fiora]

At first i thought it was for stylistic effect, then i realized what happened and lold
that is kinda handy to avoid being quoted though :D

[Jarvan IV]

At first i thought it was for stylistic effect, then i realized what happened and lold
that is kinda handy to avoid being quoted though :D

My mind is full of derp.

[Fiora]

Meh. I've stayed up late enough as it is trying to post on this damned FM.
And look how useful our discussion has been! Trololol

[Jarvan IV]

You lied about being roleblocked as well earlier in day chat. Does that mean you broke the rules as well?

I'm kind of beating a dead horse here as others have already brought it up but I find your absolute trust in the jailor somewhat troubling considering there is a confirmed evil jailor. The fact that you might be deceived never even crossed your mind?

I just noticed the second part to your question. It crossed my mind many times, but he would always reply within seconds of me saying something, indicating he wasn't chatting with anyone else.

[Maokai]

I didn't lie about shit. The witch visited me. "Some asshole showed you the Apple of Eden! You have been controlled and you don't remember what happened and yadda yadda!"


I just got a PM saying the witch also targeted me, but since I was jailed nothing came of it.
Your response is very interesting. Not only did you decide to only answer the purely semantical statement and pass up the pertinent question that followed, but you also decided to try to shove more info down my throat and dodged the actual fact of the matter that you did lie about the mechanics of jailing in your post. I never said the witch didn't visit you(in that post, at least), I said you lied about being roleblocked.

Again, that statement was pure semantics. So, care to answer the actual pertinent question?

I'm kind of beating a dead horse here as others have already brought it up but I find your absolute trust in the jailor somewhat troubling considering there is a confirmed evil jailor. The fact that you might be deceived never even crossed your mind?

[Fiora]

Oh lol. A truly evil thought just crossed my mind - what if you put an invisible [QUOTE] tag at the end of every post you ever posted? Then watch your fellows derp around trying to figure out why they couldnt quote you. [QUOTE]

[Jarvan IV]

Your response is very interesting. Not only did you decide to only answer the purely semantical statement and pass up the pertinent question that followed, but you also decided to try to shove more info down my throat and dodged the actual fact of the matter that you did lie about the mechanics of jailing in your post. I never said the witch didn't visit you(in that post, at least), I said you lied about being roleblocked.

Again, that statement was pure semantics. So, care to answer the actual pertinent question?

It wasn't a lie, it was a mistake. I already answered that question. Two minutes ago, actually.

[Maokai]

Oh lol. A truly evil thought just crossed my mind - what if you put an invisible
tag at the end of every post you ever posted? Then watch your fellows derp around trying to figure out why they couldnt quote you.


That would be quite amusing.

[Jarvan IV]

That would be quite amusing.

Whenever it says "New posts have been added since your time of posting. Would you like to view them?"

Do you always say no, or are you a downie?

[Jarvan IV]

Besides, I'm unkillable. Except if I'm ripped apart by a blue man who doesn't wear underwear 3/4 of the time, but either way, virtually unkillable.

GM edit: No videos please..

[Maokai]

It wasn't a lie, it was a mistake. I already answered that question. Two minutes ago, actually.

A mistake? You received a PM from the GM informing you that you weren't roleblocked, the jailor corrected himself to you, the rolecard says you aren't roleblocked.

If everything points one way, and you say another, how do I differentiate mistake from lie?


Whenever it says "New posts have been added since your time of posting. Would you like to view them?"

Do you always say no, or are you a downie?



Warning - new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Another mistake, I guess?

[Jarvan IV]

A mistake? You received a PM from the GM informing you that you weren't roleblocked, the jailor corrected himself to you, the rolecard says you aren't roleblocked.

If everything points one way, and you say another, how do I differentiate mistake from lie?

Lol, well now if you want to be a nitpicking bitch, then vote me. I don't give two firey diarrhea shits if you vote me or not. I've told everyone here everything there is to say.

Paraphrasing.


Another mistake, I guess?[/QUOTE]

[Maokai]

Let me take a different approach. How did you tell that the jailor lied to you about his mechanics instead of him making a mistake?

[Jarvan IV]

Let me take a different approach. How did you tell that the jailor lied to you about his mechanics instead of him making a mistake?

Because he later admitted and said he was bluffing. He didn't make a mistake. Who the fuck taught you to read?

[Irelia]

Because he later admitted and said he was bluffing. He didn't make a mistake. Who the fuck taught you to read?

I wanna know who taught Karthus to read....[QUOTE]

[Jarvan IV]

I wanna know who taught Karthus to read....[QUOTE]

He's still lurking. I can see it right now. So is Udyr.

What I'm mainly interested in is the people with really low post counts. Posting the bare minimum just to get by without being modkilled.

[Maokai]

Because he later admitted and said he was bluffing. He didn't make a mistake. Who the fuck taught you to read?

Right. The only way you could tell is because he told you he lied. So by that logic, there is no difference between the two.

He could have easily told you he made a mistake when he actually lied.

Get it?

[Jarvan IV]

[QUOTE=Irelia;102145]I wanna know who taught Karthus to read....[COLOR="#202020"]

He's still lurking. I can see it right now. So is Udyr.

What I'm mainly interested in is the people with really low post counts. Posting the bare minimum just to get by without being modkilled.

God damn you.

[Jarvan IV]

Right. The only way you could tell is because he told you he lied. So by that logic, there is no difference between the two.

He could have easily told you he made a mistake when he actually lied.

Get it?

But he admitted to lying. Your fucking logic sucks.

[Irelia]

I wanna know who taught Karthus to read....

He's still lurking. I can see it right now. So is Udyr.

What I'm mainly interested in is the people with really low post counts. Posting the bare minimum just to get by without being modkilled.
llululul fail quote. And mhm. Gotta keep an eye on the quiet ones.
[QUOTE]

[Maokai]

But he admitted to lying. Your fucking logic sucks.

Sigh... some people are so simple-minded.

I am making a comparison between you and him.

I just proved you could be lying just as easily thanks to your own words.

The question is why. I think you have an action that you'd rather everyone think you do not have by hiding underneath a roleblock claim.

What do you think?

[Jarvan IV]

Sigh... some people are so simple-minded.

I am making a comparison between you and him.

I just proved you could be lying just as easily thanks to your own words.

The question is why. I think you have an action that you'd rather everyone think you do not have by hiding underneath a roleblock claim.

What do you think?

Except I never claimed roleblock. I said I was witched, but nothing else happens. You can try all you want, but you're fucking stupid if you think I'm anything other than civ. I've got nothing to hide.