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fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 07:47 PM
My bet is that Northstar is arson

fm Echonian
February 26th, 2012, 07:48 PM
Oh, and I can vouch for Illidan's identity. Mainly by what he said yesterday about working at an airport. He is not Fragos.

So now we've narrowed it down to 3 people. The noose is quickly tightening.

I'd like to hear read it from his own mouth hands.

Remember that there are 2 Arsonists, and they know each other. Two players sticking up for one another doesn't mean much to me.

fm Vornskr
February 26th, 2012, 07:49 PM
I'd like to hear read it from his own mouth hands.

Remember that there are 2 Arsonists, and they know each other. Two players sticking up for one another doesn't mean much to me.

Except that we think that fm Yayap was an arsonist.

fm Echonian
February 26th, 2012, 07:50 PM
Except that we think that fm Yayap was an arsonist.

There's also apparently a level 3 Black Wizard somewhere out there, so my point remains valid.

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 07:51 PM
I'd like to hear read it from his own mouth hands.

Remember that there are 2 Arsonists, and they know each other. Two players sticking up for one another doesn't mean much to me.
Well yayap was supposedly arsonist as well. the arsonist couldnt have burned 4 people alone on day 3. The number of people doused and burned at this point suggests that the first arson died night 2 (yayap)

fm Narks
February 26th, 2012, 07:52 PM
I agree that all Citizens should post their role card. Here is mine:


Welcome to FM-X
Make sure you have read all the rules.

To write a Last Will:
PM FM Game Master, entitle your PM: Last Will night# (insert night number) [or day]
The contents of that PM will be your last will.

You are: Citizen

See the role card thread for more information.

I'm not sure if all Citizens have the same role card, but I would like to see them anyway.

fm Narks
February 26th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Also: watching the Oscars with friends. I'll be back in a bit.

fm Echonian
February 26th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Well yayap was supposedly arsonist as well. the arsonist couldnt have burned 4 people alone on day 3. The number of people doused and burned at this point suggests that the first arson died night 2 (yayap)

See:

There's also apparently a level 3 Black Wizard somewhere out there, so my point remains valid.

fm Ganondorf
February 26th, 2012, 07:53 PM
The mafia amnesiac was a random any, and therefore modkilled D1 or 2

I mean the citizen rolecards wouldn't be any different.

By the way, I'm not sure if jimbobicus, GameFreak, frostbyte, trineroks and nanosystem are confirmed. I'm not 100% sure about wolfcheese either.

I want to hear from Goremancer/nanosystem if he stole from procyon/wolfcheese...

fm Vornskr
February 26th, 2012, 07:53 PM
There's also apparently a level 3 Black Wizard somewhere out there, so my point remains valid.

Ah. Forgot about that. Yeah. But of course that's assuming that Herr was telling the truth about having a student AND being level 3.

fm Echonian
February 26th, 2012, 07:54 PM
Ah. Forgot about that. Yeah. But of course that's assuming that Herr was telling the truth about having a student AND being level 3.

It seems foolish not to prepare for the worst.

fm Admiral
February 26th, 2012, 07:54 PM
Except that Fragos could easily claim to be one of the unknowns.

If we can verify everyone's identity and find that unknowns are the only ones unchecked, then we'll know he's hiding as one of them, yes? Either way, it significantly narrows down the person whom he is hiding as.

And Echonian, Illidan just went to sleep. You'll probably have to wait quite a while to hear from him. But that brings a good point. If one of these recently modkilled people flipped arsonist... Well we can at least say that there won't be 3 arsonists, right? We'll just have two people check one person's ID.

fm Vornskr
February 26th, 2012, 07:55 PM
It seems foolish not to prepare for the worst.

You have no idea how stupid I felt when you said that and how close in thinking we are.

fm MrSmarter
February 26th, 2012, 07:55 PM
I thought I made it pretty clear that I claimed citizen. Why the question marks?

fm Vornskr
February 26th, 2012, 07:56 PM
I thought I made it pretty clear that I claimed citizen. Why the question marks?

Claim =/= confirmed

fm MrSmarter
February 26th, 2012, 07:56 PM
^That post was in response to Nick's post

"People who have claimed citizen
Nick
Zack (turned mason)
Narks (turned mason)
Kevinpowers
BlastYoBoots
Admiral
Auckmid
MrSmarter ??????"

fm Vornskr
February 26th, 2012, 07:56 PM
^That post was in response to Nick's post

"People who have claimed citizen
Nick
Zack (turned mason)
Narks (turned mason)
Kevinpowers
BlastYoBoots
Admiral
Auckmid
MrSmarter ??????"

Oh. I stand corrected

fm Philie
February 26th, 2012, 07:57 PM
Remember, no voting. I messed up earlier, and I therefore need all you to help with any lynches.

fm Echonian
February 26th, 2012, 07:58 PM
I'm going to go watch the Walking Dead. I will probably be drunk when I get back. If I'm not, I'll check in again.

No one vote until we have a clear target. Anyone who votes before should be considered a good candidate for being shot or jailed.

fm Nick
February 26th, 2012, 08:00 PM
Because I can't remember wtf everyone has done.
I put the question marks because I couldn't remember if my brain told me you claimed or if you actually did.

I skip through most of the day chat.

Worst. Citizen. Ever. Right?

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:01 PM
Maybe because if we are to believe all the citizen claims, 7 of the 15 still hidden town roles were citizens.

????

fm Ganondorf
February 26th, 2012, 08:09 PM
The problem is that town PRs might claim to be citizens too. And hidden any's can be cits (like Deathfire claims)

fm Goonswarm
February 26th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Do you guys want me to claim my COM name and role? It's not going to be a big plot twist.

fm BlastYoBoots
February 26th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Just to try and prove I'm actually a citizen, Yayap made the excuse, "You have been killed twice do to your own foolishness, so you are coming back as a Citizen this time"

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:12 PM
The problem is that town PRs might claim to be citizens too. And hidden any's can be cits (like Deathfire claims)

i did not include blastyoboots in my count because he was a random any (However the fact that he was modkilled implies that he was a cit initially as well, pushing the cit number up to 8)

And yes. Town PR's are most likely in that list.

fm Admiral
February 26th, 2012, 08:13 PM
I would like to remind town that one of the thief claimers lied about his night actions. I think it was the other thief claimer besides Procyon. I think. Anyway, this person claimed to have not been able to shoot with his stolen gun and thieve the same night and even claimed to have PMed the GM about it. This is proven untrue by the FAQ.

Someone double check my facts for me.

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:13 PM
Do you guys want me to claim my COM name and role? It's not going to be a big plot twist.

well if you are going to claim citizen we now have 9 citizen claims.
Maybe a serious role call is in order at this point <_<

fm Ganondorf
February 26th, 2012, 08:15 PM
i did not include blastyoboots in my count because he was a random any (However the fact that he was modkilled implies that he was a cit initially as well, pushing the cit number up to 8)

And yes. Town PR's are most likely in that list.
BlastYoBoots originally wasn't a citizen, I'm sure of that. You can deduce it by the things he posted on days 1 and 2 regarding Lysergic and seeing a lookout at his place.

fm Ganondorf
February 26th, 2012, 08:17 PM
I would like to remind town that one of the thief claimers lied about his night actions. I think it was the other thief claimer besides Procyon. I think. Anyway, this person claimed to have not been able to shoot with his stolen gun and thieve the same night and even claimed to have PMed the GM about it. This is proven untrue by the FAQ.

Someone double check my facts for me.
It was procyon who said he couldn't shoot his stolen gun and steal at the same time. His explanation was that it was a mafioso gun that he stole.

fm Goonswarm
February 26th, 2012, 08:23 PM
I'm going to bed soon, east coast style, so I'm just going to go ahead and claim.

My COM name is C-Spin, good luck planning a crafty way to confirm me. I have three or four posts to my name and they're all about joining this game. Total Forum Mafia noob, as I'm sure I was doing a terrible job disguising. And my role..?


Welcome to FM-X
Make sure you read all the rules.

To write a Last Will:
PM FM Game Master, entitle your PM: Last Will night# (insert night number) [or day]
The contents of that PM will be your last will.

You are: Citizen

See the role card thread for more information.

In before somebody calls me lying scum...

fm Narks
February 26th, 2012, 08:24 PM
Can Citizens please just copy pasta their role cards? I want to get Citizen claims out of the way (and if Guardian truly was a Citizen, which is what it looks like, someone is lying about being a Citizen. I have all the Citizen claims written down and they do not add up.

Kevinpowers, Auckmid, MrSmarter, Nick, post your role cards (Nick last). Why Nick last? Most trustworthy of the remaining Cits.

Copy and paste your role cards as soon as you read this.

I'm more than a little drunk. Back in a bit. On here between Oscars commercials.

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:25 PM
I would like to remind town that one of the thief claimers lied about his night actions. I think it was the other thief claimer besides Procyon. I think. Anyway, this person claimed to have not been able to shoot with his stolen gun and thieve the same night and even claimed to have PMed the GM about it. This is proven untrue by the FAQ.

Someone double check my facts for me.
Your facts are incorrect. However, looking for Gore's claim did make me realize how suspicious it really was.

Sorry, no info. I wasn't able to steal a mafia item. I didn't even level up, but I should tonight.
Night 1: Checked Crimson. Citizen.
Night 2: Stole a gun from MikeVipe (he could die and at least he would be useful in his death). Got a gun. Didn't use it until now. though.
Night 3: Witched onto myself.
Night 4: Checked oops to be sure. Escort.
Night 5: I got the doctor. I don't want to out him.
There IS a Level 2 doc (the one who healed Ganondorf). And he isn't Landstander (because he couldn't heal Night 2). Perhaps he was blocked by a Hooker......
After checking DR's posts it seems like he was repeating that he was innocent and he also focused on the Arsonist. If I find someone who's acting like that I will shoot him.
No PMs, and all easily faked.
Night 1: How convenient, a citizen. No items to fake stolen. AND he is dead now.
Night 2: How convenient. You stole from a bodyguard the night he died. Why target him? Please tell us. Handy that he died so he cant deny your stealing his gun. Also handy that you havent used it yet so you dont have to claim a kill as yours.
Night 3: HerrZynsich, a black wizard, supports this claim that you were witched onto yourself? well that's legitimate.
Night 4: Again steals from someone who died. Also, using the word "Checked" as a thief? What did you recieve from him that made you believe he was escort? Why did he not say he was stolen from before he died?
Night 5: Oh you found the doctor? Yay. Another night without checkable results, because you "dont want to out the doctor".

Damn. How did i not see this earlier?

fm Ganondorf
February 26th, 2012, 08:25 PM
By the way, procyon's claim isn't watertight.

It could be a very elaborate mafia ploy that was prepared ahead of time. If the mafia killed Jack, nobody will counterclaim that kill. Nobody can counterclaim his actions against Elixir and Dimwit either if those things didn't really happen.

For procyon to be cleared, a doctor should do an autopsy on TheJackOfSpades.

fm BlastYoBoots
February 26th, 2012, 08:27 PM
"Welcome back to FM-X... again
You better know all the rules by now.

To write a Last Will:
PM FM Game Master, entitle your PM: Last Will night# (insert night number) [or day]
The contents of that PM will be your last will.

You are: Citizen

See the role card thread for more information.

You have been killed twice do to your own foolishness, so you are coming back as a Citizen this time.
This is the last time I am letting you back in the game."

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:28 PM
By the way, procyon's claim isn't watertight.

It could be a very elaborate mafia ploy that was prepared ahead of time. If the mafia killed Jack, nobody will counterclaim that kill. Nobody can counterclaim his actions against Elixir and Dimwit either if those things didn't really happen.

For procyon to be cleared, a doctor should do an autopsy on TheJackOfSpades.
Instead of checking oops...
Seriously. That got us NO information at all. oh he is a hooker? I had no idea.

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:31 PM
Can someone copy Kromos's Invest results on Gore? I am now really suspicious of Gore. All he had to say was "Yes my role was on the list" and then the town decided his role for him. If he really was town thief, i would figure he would have geen attacked by now. Its been a while since he revealed to be a valuable town PR (If he is town, he had to be i think doc/thief/PE? and the mafia would know he is not mafia, so has to be one of those)

fm Admiral
February 26th, 2012, 08:31 PM
It was procyon who said he couldn't shoot his stolen gun and steal at the same time. His explanation was that it was a mafioso gun that he stole.

Okay, because I seem to be dyslexic this game, why would a mafioso gun matter in whether you can use it with a regular night action if stolen?

fm Ganondorf
February 26th, 2012, 08:34 PM
He was mayor/doctor/jailor/survivor/thief or dark thief I think. Hang on.

I "decided" his role for him because he said he checked Oops on night 4 to determine if he was a hooker or independent hooker and none of the other roles could do that besides thief (pills on hooker)

fm Ganondorf
February 26th, 2012, 08:36 PM
Okay, because I seem to be dyslexic this game, why would a mafioso gun matter in whether you can use it with a regular night action if stolen?
Because gunsmith guns can normally be used alongside other night actions as well and a mafioso or vigi shot is a primary action maybe? I'm not sure.

fm Nick
February 26th, 2012, 08:36 PM
I propose:
We lynch goon.

Here's why.


If goon flips town thief we know there was a doctor still around on night 5 (since we haven't had any autopsies he could be healing instead? or he got modkilled). We then know that procyon is lying about being town thief and having all of his items stolen.

If goon flips arson, hurray! this however doesn't clear up anything as he could have been thief, or he could have been mafia. It also doesn't help us deduce whether a doctor is still alive but hell we killed the arson!

If goon flips dark thief then procyons claim is validated, we can feel safer knowing the stolen guns are gone, and logically there is no doctor alive.

If goon flips anything town... well he is a retard for not coming clean a couple of votes before the banhammer.

If goon flips mafia/neutral hurray/oops w.e move on

fm Kevinpowers
February 26th, 2012, 08:36 PM
Inb4 Arsonist burns someone and claims they were the real, "person who got burned"

This is super duper fucking scummy. Srsly, this really seems like a blatant attempt at helping the arson.

Vote BlastYoBoots
I don't believe for a second he was modkilled or replaced. I think that due to his low post count yesterday (did he post at all?) that he knew we'd be suspicious of him not being modkilled and replaced, so he claims to have been so in order to cast some doubt on his role.

I think he's the same scummy bastard he was before.

Also, here's my cit PM for what it's worth:

FM-X Role
Welcome to FM-X
Make sure you read all the rules.

To write a Last Will:
PM FM Game Master, entitle your PM: Last Will night# (insert night number) [or day]
The contents of that PM will be your last will.

You are: Citizen
See the role card thread for more information.
_____________________________

Even though I already posted it day 4.

fm Goonswarm
February 26th, 2012, 08:40 PM
I propose:
We lynch goon.

Here's why.


If goon flips town thief we know there was a doctor still around on night 5 (since we haven't had any autopsies he could be healing instead? or he got modkilled). We then know that procyon is lying about being town thief and having all of his items stolen.

If goon flips arson, hurray! this however doesn't clear up anything as he could have been thief, or he could have been mafia. It also doesn't help us deduce whether a doctor is still alive but hell we killed the arson!

If goon flips dark thief then procyons claim is validated, we can feel safer knowing the stolen guns are gone, and logically there is no doctor alive.

If goon flips anything town... well he is a retard for not coming clean a couple of votes before the banhammer.

If goon flips mafia/neutral hurray/oops w.e move on

I think you mean Gore, not Goon...

fm Nick
February 26th, 2012, 08:41 PM
whoever claimed thief.
Lols I'm so stupid

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:42 PM
He was mayor/doctor/jailor/survivor/thief or dark thief I think. Hang on.

I "decided" his role for him because he said he checked Oops on night 4 to determine if he was a hooker or independent hooker and none of the other roles could do that besides thief (pills on hooker)

Mafia would also know if oops was in the mafia or not. Not that i blame you for assuming this. Perhaps he really is town thief and just looks really shady. He couldnt be mayor or survivor. If that was the real investigation results, then he would have to be dark thief if he were mafia, which is impossible because the dark thief is in the graveyard and he was invested before the amnesiac took a role. Bleh.
I guess it is possible for him to have been hidden by the framer. That list of roles is surprisingly low on possible anti-town roles.

fm BlastYoBoots
February 26th, 2012, 08:44 PM
This is super duper fucking scummy. Srsly, this really seems like a blatant attempt at helping the arson.

Vote BlastYoBoots
I don't believe for a second he was modkilled or replaced. I think that due to his low post count yesterday (did he post at all?) that he knew we'd be suspicious of him not being modkilled and replaced, so he claims to have been so in order to cast some doubt on his role.

I think he's the same scummy bastard he was before.

Also, here's my cit PM for what it's worth:

FM-X Role
Welcome to FM-X
Make sure you read all the rules.

To write a Last Will:
PM FM Game Master, entitle your PM: Last Will night# (insert night number) [or day]
The contents of that PM will be your last will.

You are: Citizen
See the role card thread for more information.
_____________________________

Even though I already posted it day 4.

I have -PROVEN- I am Deathfire123, which I did yesterday as FM Deathfire123. So I am -PROVEN- to have been modkilled and replaced.

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:45 PM
If goon flips dark thief then procyons claim is validated, we can feel safer knowing the stolen guns are gone, and logically there is no doctor alive.


da fuck?
How does gore's role have to do with doctors? we know there is at least one doc because of coroner results that have been in newspaper.

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:46 PM
I have -PROVEN- I am Deathfire123, which I did yesterday as FM Deathfire123. So I am -PROVEN- to have been modkilled and replaced.

as much as i would like to lynch him, he is right. Unless he is mafia with admiral, which is possibru

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 08:49 PM
Not that its impossible or unlikely that he is in fact scum. His COM name has nothing to do with his role, unless yayap really did decide to give him cit because it was his thrid time . .

fm Ganondorf
February 26th, 2012, 08:56 PM
Mafia would also know if oops was in the mafia or not. Not that i blame you for assuming this. Perhaps he really is town thief and just looks really shady. He couldnt be mayor or survivor. If that was the real investigation results, then he would have to be dark thief if he were mafia, which is impossible because the dark thief is in the graveyard and he was invested before the amnesiac took a role. Bleh.
I guess it is possible for him to have been hidden by the framer. That list of roles is surprisingly low on possible anti-town roles.

If Kromos' finds are correct, the only possibility for Goremancer to be mafia is if he is survivor->red amnesiac->dark thief. He could also be the arsonist, if Fragos took him over.

fm Vornskr
February 26th, 2012, 08:56 PM
There is a great likelihood of my role claim arriving today. Increase the hype!

fm Kevinpowers
February 26th, 2012, 08:57 PM
I have -PROVEN- I am Deathfire123, which I did yesterday as FM Deathfire123. So I am -PROVEN- to have been modkilled and replaced.

You haven't -PROVEN- shit. How the hell do we know you're not skyping with Deathfire and having him feed you answers?
Against the rules? Yes. Impossible? Not at all. If it came down to Yayap asking you if you had been cheating, you could just claim that you already knew that shit from a conversation you had with the real Deathfire prior to all this happening.

Using out of game info doesn't "prove" a fucking thing.

fm Narks
February 26th, 2012, 08:57 PM
as much as i would like to lynch him, he is right. Unless he is mafia with admiral, which is possibru

I really wish I had shot you last night.

I think you are the Arsonist. I have no way to prove it, but you are trying way too hard to appear pro-town and scum hunt. The previous Sumikoko barely posted at all. I've also scoured your previous posts since the start of Day 5: you constantly make reference to the Arsonist and question who it could be, the same thing Dark.Revenant did.

I believe Yayap would have allowed a disguise action on someone who participated little in the game and probably someone who was about to be mod-killed. You did not role claim Citizen, which means you were/are a powe role/mafia of some sort.

You try to appear helpful but provide no concrete information.

You are high on my scum list, along with Goonswarm, NorthStar, Auckmid, TheWaaagh, Muso, and Miles. Also Admiral, maybe Rumpel.

fm Ganondorf
February 26th, 2012, 09:00 PM
Does Fragos know Rocshi well?

fm BlastYoBoots
February 26th, 2012, 09:03 PM
You haven't -PROVEN- shit. How the hell do we know you're not skyping with Deathfire and having him feed you answers?
Against the rules? Yes. Impossible? Not at all. If it came down to Yayap asking you if you had been cheating, you could just claim that you already knew that shit from a conversation you had with the real Deathfire prior to all this happening.

Using out of game info doesn't "prove" a fucking thing.

Yeah I don't fucking cheat you fucking cockmuncher. You can go die in a hole.

fm TheWaaagh
February 26th, 2012, 09:04 PM
You are high on my scum list, along with Goonswarm, NorthStar, Auckmid, TheWaaagh, Muso, and Miles. Also Admiral, maybe Rumpel.

This scum list is poor, if for no other reason than that it contains deceased individuals. If you are going to make a scum list at all, something based around your observation skills of the game then how do you expect us to take it seriously when you've failed to observe who's dead.

fm Narks
February 26th, 2012, 09:06 PM
This scum list is poor, if for no other reason than that it contains deceased individuals. If you are going to make a scum list at all, something based around your observation skills of the game then how do you expect us to take it seriously when you've failed to observe who's dead.

Drunk Narks not so good at reading the RP. He'll post better information tomorrow.

fm Philie
February 26th, 2012, 09:10 PM
Blastyoboots, Sumi and Goon are all scum who I have little problem lynching. Don't forget Ambient. He needs to die as well.

fm Philie
February 26th, 2012, 09:11 PM
I'm out for now. See ya.

fm Goonswarm
February 26th, 2012, 09:12 PM
Blastyoboots, Sumi and Goon are all scum who I have little problem lynching. Don't forget Ambient. He needs to die as well.

Then lynch me today, please.

fm Kevinpowers
February 26th, 2012, 09:12 PM
Yeah I don't fucking cheat you fucking cockmuncher. You can go die in a hole.

Interesting choice of words.
fm Deathfire123 called someone a cockmuncher AND told them to go die in a hole on day 2.
You probably are Deathfire.
My bad. :push:

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 09:13 PM
If Kromos' finds are correct, the only possibility for Goremancer to be mafia is if he is survivor->red amnesiac->dark thief. He could also be the arsonist, if Fragos took him over.

Arson is definetely possible at this point.
Gore what did you steal last night? and if you stole from another cit or dead person, i swear...

fm Narks
February 26th, 2012, 09:15 PM
Perhaps a mass role claim would be beneficial for today. At least 4 Cit claims, 2 Masons, a known Blacksmith and a claimed Bodyguard. That's 8 out of what, 21? Just have the rest claim and we'll sort this shit out.

There's, at most, 7 mafia and 1 Arsonist (I believe the numbers to be 4-5 mafia and 1 Arsonist) and possibly a Black Wizard. Shouldn't be hard to root them out.

Ganondorf, who did you BG last night?

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 09:20 PM
I really wish I had shot you last night.

I think you are the Arsonist. I have no way to prove it, but you are trying way too hard to appear pro-town and scum hunt. The previous Sumikoko barely posted at all. I've also scoured your previous posts since the start of Day 5: you constantly make reference to the Arsonist and question who it could be, the same thing Dark.Revenant did.

I believe Yayap would have allowed a disguise action on someone who participated little in the game and probably someone who was about to be mod-killed. You did not role claim Citizen, which means you were/are a powe role/mafia of some sort.

You try to appear helpful but provide no concrete information.

You are high on my scum list, along with Goonswarm, NorthStar, Auckmid, TheWaaagh, Muso, and Miles. Also Admiral, maybe Rumpel.

>_> I am still COM ajkei, as i was this whole time (except for day 1). Look at post #316 yesterday, i tried my best to prove that i was still the same person. If you think that i found the exact same picture as my initial avatar to pretend to be the same person, fine, go ahead and lynch me. :(

fm NorthStar
February 26th, 2012, 09:42 PM
Finally I'm back.

My real COM identity is Ubernox.

I was killed on Night 1 (I was fm Akira, the Doctor), then came back in the game as fm NorthStar. I posted my rolecard already on the day 5, so here it is again:


Welcome to FM-X
Make sure you read all the rules.

To write a Last Will:
PM FM Game Master, entitle your PM: Last Will night# (insert night number) [or day]
The contents of that PM will be your last will.

You are: Citizen

See the role card thread for more information.

Please make the best of it, citizens are playing really well this game.

I cannot be Fragos because I gave you the information that he could not possibly know.

fm Admiral
February 26th, 2012, 09:47 PM
Allow me to double check you for your claim, Ubernox.

In Borkbot’s M-FM with Mengsk and Raynor, I tried to prove your identity as Ubernox how?

Whom did you think I was possibly besides Raynor?

As Witness, what sort of standing did you think you had in comparison to my role? Greater than? Equal to? Or less than?

fm Sumikoko
February 26th, 2012, 09:54 PM
Finally I'm back.

My real COM identity is Ubernox.

I was killed on Night 1 (I was fm Akira, the Doctor), then came back in the game as fm NorthStar. I posted my rolecard already on the day 5, so here it is again:



I cannot be Fragos because I gave you the information that he could not possibly know.

would you even be allowed to tell us what role you were if you were really akira?

fm BlastYoBoots
February 26th, 2012, 09:56 PM
would you even be allowed to tell us what role you were if you were really akira?

I told you my role as Monster when I was Deathfire123

fm MrSmarter
February 26th, 2012, 09:59 PM
Can Citizens please just copy pasta their role cards? I want to get Citizen claims out of the way (and if Guardian truly was a Citizen, which is what it looks like, someone is lying about being a Citizen. I have all the Citizen claims written down and they do not add up.

Kevinpowers, Auckmid, MrSmarter, Nick, post your role cards (Nick last). Why Nick last? Most trustworthy of the remaining Cits.

Copy and paste your role cards as soon as you read this.

I'm more than a little drunk. Back in a bit. On here between Oscars commercials.I've already done this days before for Zack. But here it is again:

Welcome to FM-X
Make sure you read all the rules.

To write a Last Will:
PM FM Game Master, entitle your PM: Last Will night# (insert night number) [or day]
The contents of that PM will be your last will.

You are: Citizen

See the role card thread for more information.

fm Admiral
February 26th, 2012, 10:32 PM
Well, Ubernox? I am waiting... Or are you too busy reading the Witness Chat to answer me? Hmmm? The answer to my questions won't be there. Every second you wait is a second against you.

fm Auckmid
February 26th, 2012, 11:04 PM
Rolecard? Here we go:


Welcome to FM-X
Make sure you read all the rules.

To write a Last Will:
PM FM Game Master, entitle your PM: Last Will night# (insert night number) [or day]
The contents of that PM will be your last will.

You are: Citizen
See the role card thread for more information.

I really don't know who is possible arson at this point either. if we narrow it down to 2 most likely suspects we could maybe lynch 1 and jail the other if we can ensure the mayor is protected. ASFAIK arson can't burn while jailed

fm NorthStar
February 26th, 2012, 11:28 PM
Allow me to double check you for your claim, Ubernox.


In Borkbot’s M-FM with Mengsk and Raynor, I tried to prove your identity as Ubernox how?

Whom did you think I was possibly besides Raynor?

As Witness, what sort of standing did you think you had in comparison to my role? Greater than? Equal to? Or less than?

Oh yeah, I remember that when I gave you the interview. I wanted to made sure that you are indeed Raynor and not town PR, so I claimed myself as Fragos in order to trick you. What irony.

Now please give me some sleep, Sumi. I will write more when I wake up.

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:29 AM
I'm interested by Narks accusing Sumi. I'd like to hear a decent defense on that, and check a few things in the morning.

Forum Mafia GM
February 27th, 2012, 02:20 AM
DAY event!

VOOOSH! Someone just died...

fm TheWaaagh
February 27th, 2012, 02:21 AM
who is still alive?

Forum Mafia GM
February 27th, 2012, 02:51 AM
On a side note, I'm getting ready to modkill a ton of people for using out of game discussion to prove COM identities. Consider this your final warning. There shall be no mention of any PMs from previous FMs nor any COM PMs. From my count, I can wipe out half the living players right now.

fm Miles
February 27th, 2012, 03:09 AM
Well, I thought I had made it obvious, but I guess not... I am COM Ganondorf.

EDIT: lol I'm gonna laugh if he does modkill half of us.

fm Miles
February 27th, 2012, 03:15 AM
Welcome to FM-X
Make sure you read all the rules.

To write a Last Will:
PM FM Game Master, entitle your PM: Last Will night# (insert night number) [or day]
The contents of that PM will be your last will.

You are: Citizen

See the role card thread for more information.


The posting of the role card is kind of useless at this point (it's pretty safe to say that it's accurate), but you asked and you shall receive. Now, I await the inevitable raging...

fm TheWaaagh
February 27th, 2012, 04:18 AM
I found it odd that Zack didn't post in day chat but did post in the FAQ. Then, the question he posted in the FAQ was about the Arsonist.

I'm starting to think he might be the dead man.

fm Vornskr
February 27th, 2012, 04:40 AM
I'm still alive. Question: who would the arsonist choose to kill?

fm TheWaaagh
February 27th, 2012, 04:52 AM
Probably a confirmed town like Zack

fm Vornskr
February 27th, 2012, 05:00 AM
Since I feel like I'm going to be shot tonight by some overzealous town role I've decided to claim. (plus I'm awake and able to access the computer). AND People have been asking for a role-call.

I claim Blacksmith. I am not interested in leveling up. I am a protection role and not a vigilante-esque role. The town already has those. Protection > Kills (especially town deaths). I looked at the blacksmith role card and I knew what I had to do. I had to seem scummy but make sure that the town roles know who I am. Did you notice how the masons (or the mayor) haven't shown any suspicion of me? But, now that I know that there are guns that could possibly shoot me...

Night 1/day 1/night 2: I wasn't in the game and I didn't want the dark thief to fuck me up (night 2).

day 2: I gave armor to Narks (I thought he was the Mason Leader by the way Luna was acting towards him)

Day 3: I gave even more armor to Narks (How can anyone get any information from that clusterfuck?)

day 4: I gave armor to Narks (what can I say? He was practically confirmed)

Night 5:

You had fun with a hooker last night ... you were roleblocked.
And my suspicion that I was drugged. Good thing that doesn't mess with my day-giving.

Day 5: I gave some armor to Philie (Obvious reason. Even if the jailor jailed her she's going to be out of the jail other nights)

Day 6: I'm not gonna tell you

I don't give out guns. I don't want to be responsible for getting townies killed if my reads or a gun recipient's reads are off. I'm just interested in saving lives.

fm TheWaaagh
February 27th, 2012, 05:03 AM
Lol.

fm TheWaaagh
February 27th, 2012, 05:06 AM
You're a funny guy, vorn

fm Vornskr
February 27th, 2012, 05:08 AM
You're a funny guy, vorn

Wait until Narks and Philie confirm me.

fm TheWaaagh
February 27th, 2012, 05:12 AM
Wait until Narks and Philie confirm me.

Nah, I know they will confirm you.

:)

fm TheWaaagh
February 27th, 2012, 05:14 AM
So do you agree that Zack is probably the dead guy?

fm Vornskr
February 27th, 2012, 05:16 AM
So do you agree that Zack is probably the dead guy?

I have absolutely no idea who the stiff is.

fm Vornskr
February 27th, 2012, 05:16 AM
I have absolutely no idea who the stiff is.

Waking up early does that, ya know.

fm TheWaaagh
February 27th, 2012, 05:19 AM
Did you wake up early because of the stress of your day job?

And the fact that your apartment's rent is too damn high?

fm Vornskr
February 27th, 2012, 05:24 AM
Did you wake up early because of the stress of your day job?

And the fact that your apartment's rent is too damn high?

A combination of both. I just want a half hour to this forum then I can get back to work off the rent.

fm TheWaaagh
February 27th, 2012, 05:31 AM
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE.

Questions I would like you to answer, Mr vorn (and anybody else who is online right now)

1. How many mafia do you think are left?
2. Do you think the Arsonist is Fragos
3. Who do you think he (arsonist) killed?
4. Who is your top bet on who he is?

fm Vornskr
February 27th, 2012, 05:55 AM
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE.

Questions I would like you to answer, Mr vorn (and anybody else who is online right now)

1. How many mafia do you think are left?
2. Do you think the Arsonist is Fragos
3. Who do you think he (arsonist) killed?
4. Who is your top bet on who he is?

1. 4 maybe 3
2. I don't care
3. Someone confirmed (but not jailed). [Narks, Zack, Echonian...]
4. One of the guys who claimed an unknown

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 06:28 AM
I would like to remind everyone that I received a gun from someone night 4 and shot muso last night.

Things aren't adding up.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 06:39 AM
Now please give me some sleep, Sumi. I will write more when I wake up.

You went to sleep at 9 am??

I'm not dead but I just spent two hours waiting for a daffodil stalk to curl in my biology exam -_-. I hope Narks is still here.

Vorn has been giving Narks armour and Echonian gave him a gun. Both are confirmed town.

fm Illidan
February 27th, 2012, 06:57 AM
On a side note, I'm getting ready to modkill a ton of people for using out of game discussion to prove COM identities. Consider this your final warning. There shall be no mention of any PMs from previous FMs nor any COM PMs. From my count, I can wipe out half the living players right now.

This is your own fault. Go ahead and modkill everyone, we can't confirm anything due to the messy graveyard and the rolelist that is bigger than the living players list. People are using what they can use since in-game scumhunting resources are little to not available. We can't just stumble around in the dark now can we? There's a limit to how much information you can hide from town in a mafia game, if the mafia have bad luck or are simply obvious its not the town's fault. In my opinion the rerolls should have never happened, all roles should have remained what they are.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 06:58 AM
Northstar is the arsonist btw

fm Illidan
February 27th, 2012, 07:06 AM
What makes you think that? Honestly at this point i've lost track completely. There's nothing to go on.

fm BlastYoBoots
February 27th, 2012, 07:09 AM
Since I feel like I'm going to be shot tonight by some overzealous town role I've decided to claim. (plus I'm awake and able to access the computer). AND People have been asking for a role-call.

I claim Blacksmith. I am not interested in leveling up. I am a protection role and not a vigilante-esque role. The town already has those. Protection > Kills (especially town deaths). I looked at the blacksmith role card and I knew what I had to do. I had to seem scummy but make sure that the town roles know who I am. Did you notice how the masons (or the mayor) haven't shown any suspicion of me? But, now that I know that there are guns that could possibly shoot me...

Night 1/day 1/night 2: I wasn't in the game and I didn't want the dark thief to fuck me up (night 2).

day 2: I gave armor to Narks (I thought he was the Mason Leader by the way Luna was acting towards him)

Day 3: I gave even more armor to Narks (How can anyone get any information from that clusterfuck?)

day 4: I gave armor to Narks (what can I say? He was practically confirmed)

Night 5:

And my suspicion that I was drugged. Good thing that doesn't mess with my day-giving.

Day 5: I gave some armor to Philie (Obvious reason. Even if the jailor jailed her she's going to be out of the jail other nights)

Day 6: I'm not gonna tell you

I don't give out guns. I don't want to be responsible for getting townies killed if my reads or a gun recipient's reads are off. I'm just interested in saving lives.

This is a hilarious role claim. That is all

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 07:21 AM
Night 5:

And my suspicion that I was drugged. Good thing that doesn't mess with my day-giving.
Interesting. If you were really drugged that night that means there's a second mafia hooker out there, since Dimwit could not have drugged you.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 07:46 AM
What makes you think that? Honestly at this point i've lost track completely. There's nothing to go on.

Ubernox is in GMT.

Northstar said he was going to sleep at 9 am GMT. That means he is American or he thinks Ubernox is American. Northsta took 2 hours to respond to Sumi's question and gave answer that could have been looked up.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 07:47 AM
No this could also mean a thief got a pill from a Hooker, also Blasstyourboots is not deathfire123 its nick. I lke how the scum claims other COM ID's just to mess with us. or what do you think Mr. Wolfcheese? Lawl.

PRO Faking ID in this setup is. You have a name of a real forum member FM faggot, then you are a native english speaker who knows many of those players from sc2mafia, forum, skype cheater chat and you have a night chat. Now you have people in your team who are either here with a fake account or who are easy to fake. Now everyone pretends to be the other guy.


fm_Blastyourboots had the anime pic already in his profile b4 the modkills happened. so Lawl. He could be TheWaaagh as well.

Faking deathfire123: Take a female anime picture as your avatar and be direct in your writing patterns and be offensive.

LAwl at fm philie, Interesting that our Pro Bodyguard didn't guard Plato another night.

Only one item gets stolen at a time from a thief. Procyon lies obviously.

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 07:55 AM
No this could also mean a thief got a pill from a Hooker, also Blasstyourboots is not deathfire123 its nick. I lke how the scum claims other COM ID's just to mess with us. or what do you think Mr. Wolfcheese? Lawl.

PRO Faking ID in this setup is. You have a name of a real forum member FM faggot, then you are a native english speaker who knows many of those players from sc2mafia, forum, skype cheater chat and you have a night chat. Now you have people in your team who are either here with a fake account or who are easy to fake. Now everyone pretends to be the other guy.


fm_Blastyourboots had the anime pic already in his profile b4 the modkills happened. so Lawl. He could be TheWaaagh as well.

Faking deathfire123: Take a female anime picture as your avatar and be direct in your writing patterns and be offensive.

LAwl at fm philie, Interesting that our Pro Bodyguard didn't guard Plato another night.

Only one item gets stolen at a time from a thief. Procyon lies obviously.

I never guarded Plato.

Last night I guarded Echonian and watched Auckmid

I also don't see the problem with trying to figure out who is who by using information from previous FMs. If that's not allowed, then using information from skype (which excludes even more people from knowing) should have warranted the same warning and people were doing that to confirm Muso and Claw before.

fm BlastYoBoots
February 27th, 2012, 08:08 AM
No this could also mean a thief got a pill from a Hooker, also Blasstyourboots is not deathfire123 its nick. I lke how the scum claims other COM ID's just to mess with us. or what do you think Mr. Wolfcheese? Lawl.

PRO Faking ID in this setup is. You have a name of a real forum member FM faggot, then you are a native english speaker who knows many of those players from sc2mafia, forum, skype cheater chat and you have a night chat. Now you have people in your team who are either here with a fake account or who are easy to fake. Now everyone pretends to be the other guy.


fm_Blastyourboots had the anime pic already in his profile b4 the modkills happened. so Lawl. He could be TheWaaagh as well.

Faking deathfire123: Take a female anime picture as your avatar and be direct in your writing patterns and be offensive.

LAwl at fm philie, Interesting that our Pro Bodyguard didn't guard Plato another night.

Only one item gets stolen at a time from a thief. Procyon lies obviously.

Rumpel isn't CmG, he's jaczac

All you have to do is sound like an asshole and swear a bunch while making German references.

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 08:13 AM
I can only say that it took 2 hours for me to answer bacause I was AWAY from my PC uring that time. I checked the forum before going to sleep and answered Sumi as soon as possible. If I try to say anything more, I could be modkilled by GM right on place, since I already proved to Sumi that I am indeed Ubernox. I only need to hear a responce from her now.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:16 AM
I can only say that it took 2 hours for me to answer bacause I was AWAY from my PC uring that time. I checked the forum before going to sleep and answered Sumi as soon as possible. If I try to say anything more, I could be modkilled by GM right on place, since I already proved to Sumi that I am indeed Ubernox. I only need to hear a responce from her now.

What time did you go to sleep last night?

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 08:20 AM
Somewhere between 12 p.m. and 1 a.m.

Seriosly Zack, are you going to ask me questions about my personal life next? Didn't GM gave you a warning?
If you still think that I am the arsonist then just vote me instead of asking annoying questions.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:21 AM
Somewhere between 12 p.m. and 1 a.m.

Seriosly Zack, are you going to ask me questions about my personal life next? Didn't GM gave you a warning?
If you still think that I am the arsonist then just vote me instead of asking annoying questions.

What country are you from?

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 08:25 AM
The United States of America. And that's that. Are you going to ask me where I live next? I'm not going to talk with retards like you anymore.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:27 AM
The United States of America. And that's that. Are you going to ask me where I live next? I'm not going to talk with retards like you anymore.

Why did Ubernox say he was in GMT in M-FM V and Cursed Bullet S-FM?

I'm not using PMs or out of game discussion. This is for everyone to see.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 08:29 AM
PYCON IN!

lawl i bet he burned narks. Yes i am Jaczac!
because he was the last mason left and he disguised into Zack because he knew nobody would heal him neva ever! So he had to burn

Narkssssssssssss



Or he grilled himself for the lulz.

PYCON OUT!

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:33 AM
From 3 weeks ago in Cursed Bullet S-FM

"Sorry I messed up. By the time this thing started it was already getting late for me. When I was on, no one seemed to be posting much. It seems that the action just started to get going when I forgot about it. And judging by the times here I would have had to stay up until at least three in the morning. (GMT time)
tl;dr timezones are a bitch"

From M-FM V witness chat

"Don't feel obliged to submit an entire article - just in case that's what you think you have to do. If you do submit an entire article, though, do you mind if I add an addendum/editorial? I'm in GMT, and the day starts at 11pm GMT on the 23rd. You have a good bit of time, considering I wrote my first article in about an hour."

Do you want to tell us the truth now?

vote Northstar

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:34 AM
Yes i am Jaczac!

jaczac posts?

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:40 AM
inb4 he says he went on holiday to the UK or was just trolling us this whole time

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 08:41 AM
Zack. Can I ask you about one thing? Is it about the game in last Sunday?

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 08:42 AM
I agree that NorthStar is one of the most suspicious people around. He stopped making spelling mistakes as soon as we made it known that we were using them to look for Fragos. Could be suspicious. His voting behaviour and regularly being ill-informed about things that are plainly stated in day chat seems a bit scummy as well.

The arsonist probably incinerated either Narks or Echonian.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:43 AM
Zack. Can I ask you about one thing? Is it about the game in last Sunday?

Yes

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 08:45 AM
Looks like NorthStar is falling back into old habits today, though. I'd vote him if I could.

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 08:46 AM
Then just shut up, and don't annoy me anymore.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:48 AM
Then just shut up, and don't annoy me anymore.

What? Are you going to explain why you said you were in GMT when you are actually American? We'll have to lynch lynch you otherwise because you have to admit you are looking suspicious.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 08:51 AM
Lawl Borkbot you are our lynch for tomorrow don't worry. Hopefully somebody night shots you.

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 08:52 AM
Zack is probably holding some kind of grudge against me, so ignore whatevere he says.

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 08:53 AM
Lawl Borkbot you are our lynch for tomorrow don't worry. Hopefully somebody night shots you.

Yeah, the mafia might night shoot me. OH SNAP!

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:54 AM
vote Northstar

Lets get this bandwagon started. He is 100% scum, most likely the arsonist for lying about being Ubernox.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 08:54 AM
Zack is probably holding some kind of grudge against me, so ignore whatevere he says.

I didn't realise I had a grudge against Ubernox :(

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 08:59 AM
Since i am on my vacation to France with my le laptop and my stoopid brotha i have some time to participate in FM games suddenly. So yeah Northstar might be ze Arso.

Like i stated in my fucking lw. But who gives a shit. Burn the bitches gud :)

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 08:59 AM
Zack is probably holding some kind of grudge against me, so ignore whatevere he says.


Somewhere between 12 p.m. and 1 a.m.

Seriosly Zack, are you going to ask me questions about my personal life next? Didn't GM gave you a warning?
If you still think that I am the arsonist then just vote me instead of asking annoying questions.


Oh yeah, I remember that when I gave you the interview. I wanted to made sure that you are indeed Raynor and not town PR, so I claimed myself as Fragos in order to trick you. What irony.

Now please give me some sleep, Sumi. I will write more when I wake up.
Dubious use of grammar. Doesn't look like Ubernox.



I was killed on Night 1 (I was fm Akira, the Doctor), then came back in the game as fm NorthStar. I posted my rolecard already on the day 5, so here it is again:

...
I cannot be Fragos because I gave you the information that he could not possibly know.

Strange use of "the" that doesn't seem like Ubernox

Do you want me to start searching through the start of day 5?

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:01 AM
Lawl Borkbot you have already failed in casting your vote not on an Arso candidate because fucking Mafia can't win without him.

You were scummy from day 1 but the blackout day, the high player count and the scummyness of the Masons gave you a big enough shield to survive until this day. If somebody else shot plato without leaving a lw you should speak up today.

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 09:05 AM
Ambient is scum, I can just feel that. He could be the scummiest person all around. I don't give a fuck what people will think about me, I'm sure I'm not mistaking this time.


Should we do mass roleclaims now?


And how he can prove to us that he is Town Thief and not the Dark Thief?


And why the heck Nick is suddenly telling to us that he is Citizen and not a Doctor?


Ok, maybe you're right, Ganon. I'll hear his night 1-4 results first.

-unvote Goremancer

I'm so angry, good thing you can't see what's on my face right now.

Language barrier is too obvious. Lynch him I'd say.

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 09:07 AM
Lawl Borkbot you have already failed in casting your vote not on an Arso candidate because fucking Mafia can't win without him.

You were scummy from day 1 but the blackout day, the high player count and the scummyness of the Masons gave you a big enough shield to survive until this day. If somebody else shot plato without leaving a lw you should speak up today.

The mafia shot Plato you twerp. The other kills are accounted for. Nobody will "counterclaim" shooting him. I didn't trust Plato (which is why I was watching him), so why should I protect him over a confirmed blacksmith?

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 09:12 AM
Rumpel can I ask you something?

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:17 AM
no i am not talking with scum.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:18 AM
Ubernox would just ask me straight away and not asking me if he can ask me something. Cuz heis a grompy troll like myself.

U FAIL SON!

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:20 AM
-vote Northstar

this is my first vote there will be 5 additional votes today from me.

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 09:22 AM
Wait, can we vote more than one player today?

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 09:24 AM
If that's the case...

Vote NorthStar

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 09:25 AM
Do you know that I can turn things around? Who is the difference between me and Ganondorf?

I have only 3 votes while Ganondorf has 6 thanks to Plilie! So, the one who will be lynched this day will not be me, it will be HIM!

-vote Ganondorf

As of now, Ganondorf is at L-4. We only need 4 mafia votes to lynch him. He is confirmed Bodyguard.

Mafia, if you are reading this, wake up your buddies and vote to LYNCH GANONDORF! The day will end as soon as he is lynched. It is Blitzkrieg - we don't give jailor and anybody else to stand a chance! You will be safe on Day 7 if you do that - they will use Day 7 to lynch me instead.

So, what are you waiting for? This is your biggest opening!

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 09:27 AM
The difference is that you are Fragos and I outed the mafia's desperate attempt to get their traitor involved in the godfather's death.

It's really unfortunate that Philie put SIX votes on me for no good reason. The mafia will just vote me out before you can be voted out. GG I guess.

I want to hear from everyone who is still alive.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:29 AM
Lawl yeah right mafia out yourself in voting fm gannondorf because he is either already in your team so you could savely buss him today or he is bodyguard and you out yourself.

Best plan evar Northstar

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 09:31 AM
Lawl yeah right mafia out yourself in voting fm gannondorf because he is either already in your team so you could savely buss him today or he is bodyguard and you out yourself.

Best plan evar Northstar

He is the arsonist begging the mafia to give him another night to burn someone. In addition to a mislynch today, it could result in a mafia win. Fragos is giving up.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:39 AM
It's more like it could end in a Town victory because thats what will happen anyway if you get lynched today or not. as long as philie gets jailed every night its geegee. With another blackout day or not.

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 09:39 AM
Who said that I am giving up? You know, how GM handles those modkills...

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:40 AM
Somebody ask in the faq if we can vote more people than one.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 09:40 AM
GM edit: Post deleted for violation of cyan color

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:41 AM
Well you shouldn't post wifom riddles in other threads. Seriously

Who did you burn?

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 09:41 AM
Ambient I will shoot you where you stand if you don't stop lurking and vote Northstar now. Its fairly obvious you are the black wizard by the way you have been silent the whole time Northstar was failing at lying.

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 09:42 AM
And yes, I really made a mistake out there. But it wasn't in my role claim or name claim. The reason is Sc2 Sunday Mafia game. I think Kromos can tell you the rest.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:44 AM
Who did you burn?

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 09:44 AM
IF ANYONE VOTES SOMEONE OTHER THAN NORTHSTAR THE ARSONIST THEY WILL BE SHOT AT NIGHT.

You won't even win if you are a jester or town pretending to be scummy.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 09:47 AM
And yes, I really made a mistake out there. But it wasn't in my role claim or name claim. The reason is Sc2 Sunday Mafia game. I think Kromos can tell you the rest.

lol I'd forgotten about that. He put his name as Northstar in a SC2 mafia game. I thought you were the arsonist because of the Ubernox time zone slip up.

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 09:47 AM
Let's put it simple. If Ganondorf becomes lynched, then either jailor will jail me or I will douse another person. But if I become lynched on this day, then Mafia will have to worry about both Jailor and Bodyguard as well as unknown town power roles. Assuming Mafia has 5 people alive now, 4 of then can vote Ganondorf while remaining ones can still lay low.

fm NorthStar
February 27th, 2012, 09:50 AM
And what Iif i didn't mention any time zones?

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:50 AM
Who did you burn?

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 09:54 AM
And what Iif i didn't mention any time zones?

You might have lasted a bit longer but I didn't really buy your cit claim yesterday after how scummy you were. You did really well as Dark.Revenant though, you were one of my main targets for recruitment as a cit. Kevinpowers had to fuck everything up though.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 09:54 AM
Narks hasn't been crossed off the mason team but I don't know if Yayap would have done that yet. Echonian hasn't posted either.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 09:55 AM
yayap isnt online right now

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 09:58 AM
Ambient just left the page without posting. He should be shot tonight unless he makes a very good role claim. Being scummy might keep you safe from the mafia but it will get you killed by vigis and gun holders.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 10:00 AM
He is taunting you. lulz

oh and btw i stated already in my lw who the arso is. but nevermind.

He still doesn't name say who he has burned. sadface

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 10:56 AM
Still alive. Reading through thread.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 11:03 AM
My last shot went to Kevinpowers obviously scum as well. FM Herrzynish thought she found mafia thats why she claimed that she did no night action at all at her lynch day. I assume she controlled Kevinpowers onto FM Luna. If that wasnt the case thenshe got bmed because she controlled a mafia member. Ifr he is still alive kill him.

CmG, you shot Kevinpowers and he survived?

fm Ganondorf
February 27th, 2012, 11:05 AM
I think he already explained that...

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 11:10 AM
-vote Northstar


My mind is full of fuck.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 11:14 AM
Our Citizen claims are over capacaity for non-modkilled players (3 remaining spots, as shown:).

40- Cit/Mason - Narks
41- Cit/Mason - Zack
42- Cit/Mason - Crimson
43- Cit -
44- Cit -
45- Cit -
46- Cit Guardian use to be cit before modkill
47- Cit Dimwit use to be cit before modkill
48- Cit Muso use to be cit before modkill
49- Cit McPwnage use to be cit before modkill
50- Cit Landstander use to be cit before modkill

OTHER CLAIMS:
Cit - Miles
Cit - Auckmid
Cit - Kevinpowers
Cit - MrSmarter
Cit - Nick

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 11:19 AM
fm northstar as well. Fragos had his lw information he knew Ubernox was northstar so the info he gave us about him dieing n1 is correct 99%

rerolled citizen as well.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 11:20 AM
also fm vornskr is a reroll as well.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 11:21 AM
Meh, Hidden Town roles can be Citizen. I guess that would account for the lack of PRs this game.

Also, I can confirm Vornskr's claim.

ROLE LIST

Vornskr: Blacksmith
Narks: Mason
Zack: Mason
Echonian: Blacksmith
Philie: Mayor
Rumpel: Vigilante (Unconfirmed)
Ganondorf: Bodyguard (Unconfirmed)
Procyon: Thief (Unconfirmed)
Goremancer: Thief (Unconfirmed)

Miles: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Auckmid: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Nick: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Kevinpowers: Citizen (unconfirmed)
MrSmarter: Citizen (unconfirmed)

NorthStar: Arsonist (Unconfirmed)
Sumikoko: ?
Ambient: ?
Admiral: ?
BlastYoBoots: ?
Goonswarm: ?
Illidan: ?
TheWaagh: ?

Still a Jailor and a Doctor in our midst. And a Mafia Hooker and a Dark Thief and a Godfather.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 11:23 AM
You remaining 7 might as well claim.

fm Goonswarm
February 27th, 2012, 11:28 AM
Narks, I claimed pages ago...

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 11:29 AM
Ok

Procyon I don't know what your deal is but you are a lying piece of shit.
You claimed thief to escape the multiple lynch day and everyone seems to agree with you but I don't.
I am going to shoot you tonight unless you tell me why I shouldn't.

Convenient that someone else stole all of your guns.

ALSO

One of these 2 blacksmiths is lying for whatever purpose about not giving me anything, or their is a hidden blacksmith out there.


If the town so wants it I will suicide tonight to prove I am a citizen, that all my claims are truthful and that will narrow down the citizen claims.


-vote NorthStar

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 11:29 AM
admiral claimed cit, goon claimed cit, blastyoboots claimed cit

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 11:31 AM
Narks, can you vote Northstar?

Can the doc please check suicidaln00b or Capitalier tonight so we can see if one of them is mafia?

Goonswarm claimed cit. A cit should be shot tonight.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 11:32 AM
ROLE LIST

Vornskr: Blacksmith
Narks: Mason
Zack: Mason
Echonian: Blacksmith
Philie: Mayor
Rumpel: Vigilante (Unconfirmed)
Ganondorf: Bodyguard (Unconfirmed)
Procyon: Thief (Unconfirmed)
Goremancer: Thief (Unconfirmed)

Admiral: Citizen (unconfirmed)
BlastYoBoots: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Goonswarm: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Miles: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Auckmid: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Nick: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Kevinpowers: Citizen (unconfirmed)
MrSmarter: Citizen (unconfirmed)

NorthStar: Arsonist (Unconfirmed)
Sumikoko: ?
Ambient: ?
Illidan: ?
TheWaagh: ?

fm Illidan
February 27th, 2012, 11:32 AM
I'm the jailor, the witch made me jail myself for two nights. Yes that was a joke.

-vote NorthStar

3 people know my role, Jailor and Mayor included. So I have no need to claim anything. Though if you insist then i'l claim last after all those guys.

Btw Admiral claimed Citizen earlier than others did... Such as Auckmid and Nick. When did Miles claim citizen? And BlastYoBoots claimed citizen, for some reason it seems believable...

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 11:33 AM
1- Kromos - fm Zack
2- echonian - ???
3- J - ???
4- GameFreak - fm Ambient
5- Luna (previously modkilled) - ded
6- jimbobicus - ???
7- CptKirk - ???
8- wolfcheese - fm proycon ??? not proven
9- Clawtrocity - ded
10- TheWaaagh - fm blastyourboots
11- Kevinpowers + Banned from forums
12- Deathfire123 - ded
13- BorkBot - fm Gannondorf
14- MrSmarter - ???
15- trineroks - ???
16- Capitalier - fm plato ded
17- Tasogare_Akira - ???
18- Landstander - ???
19- Ambient - ???
20- oops_ur_dead - ???
21- philie - fm crimson ded
22- Raptorblaze - ???
23- Muso - fm thewaaagh
24- Ash - banned for porn
25- McPwnage - ???
26- FalseTruth - fm Luna ???
27- Dimwit - former fm elixier prolly back
28- Rocshi - ded
29- Auckmid - ???
30- MotoShadow - smurf???
31- Sumikoko - fm admiral
32- Fragos - fm northstar
33- Grimrailer - Died once maybe back.
34- CmG - Lawl
35- Guardian - fm cptkirk ded
36- jaczac - ???
37- FrostByte - ???
39- DramaLlama - fm nick
40- Escaho - fm Narks
41- Andrew - smurf?
42- Blazer - smurf?
43- kiranearitachi - ???
44- Lysergic - ???
45- Ganondorf - fm miles
46- Goremancer - ???
47- Goonswarm - ded
48- Zack - fm ilidian
49- C-Spin - prolly smurf
50- nanosystem - fm goremancer

Reserves:
- Dust - fm vornskr
- NorthStar - fm philie ?
- ajkei - claimed somewhere i think
- Dont Shoot Me - ???
- Ubernox (2nd attempt) - prolly was northstar


This list was updated 2 days ago. So the people who died last night aren't listed. Prolly to help Fragos not out of lazyness

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 11:34 AM
I think that town PRs hiding as cits should really claim their roles. You will only end up shot otherwise for being scummy. Everyone needs to claim their true role by the end of the day then finding the remaining mafia shouldn't be hard.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 11:35 AM
Goremancer was fm Luna not Falsetruth :D

Auckmid claimed jimbobicus.

fm Auckmid
February 27th, 2012, 11:35 AM
only at about post 390 right now, but just want to put this in just in case -vote northstar

fm Goonswarm
February 27th, 2012, 11:37 AM
With regard to Northstar... Everybody seemed to think there was still a jester around during the multi-lynch, and seeing as how nobody we lynched was one...

Just saying, if I were a Jester I'd do exactly what he's doing today. Is this totally outside the realm of possibility?

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 11:37 AM
Procyon I don't know what your deal is but you are a lying piece of shit.
You claimed thief to escape the multiple lynch day and everyone seems to agree with you but I don't.
I am going to shoot you tonight unless you tell me why I shouldn't.

Where the hell is this coming from? Fine, I'll tell you why you shouldn't shoot me: I stole the vig's gun.

There, I said it, that was my night action last night. I didn't mean to. The dark thief stole my other guns, but I still have the vig gun. So shoot me and the vig's last three shots will go to waste. I'm so sorry rumpel.

This is the full PM:


You stole a Gun that still had 3 shots in it. But when you returned to your stash.. it was GONE! You were Robbed!

So you only have the 3 shot gun now.

Now the dark thief can steal that from me too. I hope you're fucking happy.

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 11:38 AM
I don't even remember miles speaking once in this game.

I believe boots claim for whatever reason I do. (for now at least)
Admiral claimed cit after wizard outed him but could herr have been lying to hide a mafia?

The other citizen claims I can't say much about. It's easy to fake cit at this point. We have no investigation roles at all (I think)


Our course of action at this point should be to shoot/lynch all claimed citizens.


P.S. Can we suicide? or would that be a modkill/replacement?

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 11:39 AM
Dunno i have no problem finding the euros and people i have played m fm's with. Can't find the US guys very well. Goremancer didnt contribute enough for me to find him. Derp

If you are town claim your COM as well today. Scum just hides in the anonymity.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 11:40 AM
I don't even remember miles speaking once in this game.

I believe boots claim for whatever reason I do. (for now at least)
Admiral claimed cit after wizard outed him but could herr have been lying to hide a mafia?

The other citizen claims I can't say much about. It's easy to fake cit at this point. We have no investigation roles at all (I think)


Our course of action at this point should be to shoot/lynch all claimed citizens.


P.S. Can we suicide? or would that be a modkill/replacement?

Suicide will get you rerolled and somebody else plays under your account.

Its rather hard to game throw in this setting.

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 11:42 AM
@Procyon: I don't know why you are so upset.

At this point if there is a dark thief then it is likely you or goremancer. 2 town thieves plus a dark thief seems unlikely.
So just steal from gore again.
If you get all of your items back you know he stole all of your shit and is lying.


I would like goremancer to confirm whether or not he stole from procyon.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 11:43 AM
With regard to Northstar... Everybody seemed to think there was still a jester around during the multi-lynch, and seeing as how nobody we lynched was one...

Just saying, if I were a Jester I'd do exactly what he's doing today. Is this totally outside the realm of possibility?

Yes

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 11:44 AM
Goremancer if you post again and don't answer my question I will shoot you tonight.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 11:46 AM
To whoever asked: Miles role-claimed Citizen in post #327 on this Day.

ROLE LIST

Illidan: Jailor
Vornskr: Blacksmith
Narks: Mason
Zack: Mason
Echonian: Blacksmith
Philie: Mayor
Rumpel: Vigilante (Unconfirmed)
Ganondorf: Bodyguard (Unconfirmed)
Procyon: Thief (Unconfirmed)
Goremancer: Thief (Unconfirmed)

Admiral: Citizen (unconfirmed)
BlastYoBoots: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Goonswarm: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Miles: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Auckmid: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Nick: Citizen (unconfirmed)
Kevinpowers: Citizen (unconfirmed)
MrSmarter: Citizen (unconfirmed)

NorthStar: Arsonist (Unconfirmed)
Sumikoko: ?
Ambient: ?
TheWaagh: ?


Vote Tally

NorthStar {7} = Zack, Rumpel, Ganondorf, Procyon, Nick, Illidan, Auckmid
BlastYoBoots {1} = Ganondorf, Kevinpowers*
Ganondorf {7} = Philie*, NorthStar



*Philie's name is in Yellow. His votes count as 6 votes.
*Voted in Color that was not Cyan and therefore does not count towards total.

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 11:46 AM
Speaking of which, has goremancer posted since the day action? (Still don't know if burning or day shot..)

fm Goonswarm
February 27th, 2012, 11:46 AM
Yes

Fair enough.

-vote Northstar

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 11:46 AM
We should just shoot both of em. Both contributed noone and Proycon sounds more like the dark thief to me. I doubt he is even Wolfcheese. I am a lazy ass and i bet if i would go back all those days b4 i would find evidence for proycon being modkilled and replaced then he got rerolled as red amnesiac.

One of those niggers has my gun. With 3 shots

Also Proycon would only have 1 gun left not 2. Full of shit

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM
Where the hell is this coming from? Fine, I'll tell you why you shouldn't shoot me: I stole the vig's gun.

There, I said it, that was my night action last night. I didn't mean to. The dark thief stole my other guns, but I still have the vig gun. So shoot me and the vig's last three shots will go to waste. I'm so sorry rumpel.

This is the full PM:



Now the dark thief can steal that from me too. I hope you're fucking happy.

Lawl suddenly i have an urge to go back all those days to find evidence. :D

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 11:58 AM
The Lurker Tally:
Goremancer

List of people who have posted before day event BUT NOT after:
The Silent Tally:
Admiral
Ambient
Echonian
Kevinpowers
MrSmarter
Philie
Sumikoko

List of who has posted since day event:
The Living Tally:
Auckmid
BlastYoBoots
Illidan
Ganondorf
Goonswarm
Miles
Narks
Nick
NorthStar
procyon
Rumpel
TheWaaagh
Vornskr
Zack

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 12:04 PM
Night5 - Dimwit
You stole a red pill.

Who did you drug last night?

You can steal and use an item at the same time. did you shoot somebody?

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 12:04 PM
The biggest target would have been the mayor, however he claims to have been jailed so he shouldn't be dead.
Echonian is the next biggest target from those who we haven't heard from since the event.

So would it be safe to say that echnonian is the dead body?


I plan on shooting goremancer tonight (if he lived) unless he posts his answer to my question:
Who did you steal from n6 and what did you receive?

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 12:07 PM
He wont prolly post today anymore. Lurkingsystem is from europe and well. He posts maybe 2 posts per game day.

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 12:12 PM
You can steal and use an item at the same time. did you shoot somebody?
No I cannot. It is even in the FAQ. The only time i could do both is if a blacksmith gave me something.

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 12:13 PM
@Procyon: I don't know why you are so upset.

At this point if there is a dark thief then it is likely you or goremancer. 2 town thieves plus a dark thief seems unlikely.
So just steal from gore again.
If you get all of your items back you know he stole all of your shit and is lying.


I would like goremancer to confirm whether or not he stole from procyon.
This has sense to it, I'm just worried what will happen if the dark thief is someone else entirely.

I need to stop overreacting. I've been more upset at myself and my stupidity more than anything else.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 12:14 PM
Sumikoko, Ambient, TheWaaagh, we need role claims today. Let's get this all sorted out and shoot all the mafia tonight.

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Also Proycon would only have 1 gun left not 2. Full of shit
I got three guns from the first three nights. One from Elixir and two from TheJackOfSpades. I used one on jack so that leaves two that the other thief stole from me.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 12:17 PM
We should give everyone with a gun a target (including the thieves) and if they don't shoot their target they are scum.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 12:19 PM
I got three guns from the first three nights. One from Elixir and two from TheJackOfSpades. I used one on jack so that leaves two that the other thief stole from me.

Then didn't a Town Thief take the guns from you? There have not been any unaccounted for kills.

Unless Nick is lying about getting a gun from the Blacksmith and is the Dark Thief...

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 12:22 PM
Then didn't a Town Thief take the guns from you? There have not been any unaccounted for kills.

Unless Nick is lying about getting a gun from the Blacksmith and is the Dark Thief...
Whoever it is swiped them simultaneously from me last night, they would not have had a chance to use them until tonight. And that thought about nick has crossed my mind as well, but time will tell.

I like zack's idea by the way.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 12:24 PM
Someone claimed witched last night...who was it? Did they reveal your target? Drugged? Is there even a Witch left in this setup..

Plato said Admiral/Goremancer were not mafia, just fyi. When did Amnesiac become Dark Thief?

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 12:26 PM
The dark thief was reborn day 4.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 12:29 PM
Lawl proycon gets stealing after his claim instead of shooting his gun because it can be stolen. I am not even sure if the thief pile can be robbed as well. It makes 0 sense to me stealing from me if you are town.

You prolly would have stolen from Goremancer instead of me to clear him.

Therefore you lie and are scum on my list.

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 12:29 PM
Oo I like it, I'm the dark thief.

Well now that I think about it, yes that makes sense.

I was the mafia amnesiac, said citizen to appear townish for a while, outed fred because he was a dumb ass and had a very bad claim (scored some pro town points in the process), took dark thief, stole a weapon from somewhere (claim blacksmiths are lying), shot muso to get even more brownie points since I fail at tallies, pit the 2 thieves against each other to get them both dead...


Yeah I can see how I look like dark thief.

fm Goremancer
February 27th, 2012, 12:30 PM
I'm still here. And I didn't steal from Procyon. I used the medkit I've stolen yesterday. I healed Echonian. Perhaps I will get a new medkit tomorrow since we need protection.
OK, let's think about the roles and the graveyard.
17- Mayor (cannot be hidden role)---Philie
18- Jailor (cannot be hidden role)---Illidan
19- Sheriff---Plato(dead)
20- Private Eye---FalseTruth(dead)
21- Doctor---Akira(dead)
22- Blacksmith Deathfire was Blacksmith before modkill
23- Hooker---Oops_ur_dead(dead)
24- Blacksmith---Echonian(dead?)
25- Thief---Procyon
26- Thief---Me(Goremancer)
27- Doctor---???
28- Bodyguard---MikeVipe(dead)
29- Veteran---Monster(dead)
30- PE---Kromos(dead)
31- Mason Leader---Luna(dead)
32- Vigilante---Rumpel
33- Blacksmith---Vornskr
34- Hidden
35- Hidden
36- Hidden
37- Hidden
38- Hidden
39- Hidden
40- Cit/Mason---Narks
41- Cit/Mason---Crimson(dead)
42- Cit/Mason---Zack
43- Cit
44- Cit
45- Cit
46- Cit Guardian use to be cit before modkill
47- Cit Dimwit use to be cit before modkill
48- Cit Muso use to be cit before modkill
49- Cit McPwnage use to be cit before modkill
50- Cit Landstander use to be cit before modkil
BlastYoBoots could have been a PR, he claimed "seen by lookouter". He also could have been mafia. I think about shooting him.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 12:31 PM
check the player list the mafia amnesiac is accounted for a random any. Therefore was a replacement for a modkill

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 12:32 PM
Seems like someone should shoot me tonight.

I will still claim cit, it will come up, I will narrow the citizen claims down, gets rid of any suspicion.

Also I don't have a gun. I was trying to pressure a thief into lying and making them waste a night trying to steal my 'gun' before I shot them.

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 12:34 PM
It makes 0 sense to me stealing from me if you are town.

You prolly would have stolen from Goremancer instead of me to clear him.
You stood out to me because you were trying to argue that jack was a vigilante when I know he wasn't. In hindsight though that was probably wifom.

Stealing from goremancer would not confirm he was not a dark thief.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 12:35 PM
fm Echonian is dead. His ghost is watching us.

I think that both thief claims are town.

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:36 PM
Rumors of my demise have been GREATLY exaggerated.

Vorn, forgive my paranoia, but you should give me armor to prove yourself. Once you do so, I can give you armor back and we will be safe from Mafia attacks. The jailor and bodyguard can worry about protecting other people (preferably, Ganon should guard Illidan - Jailor - and Illidan should jail Phillie - Mayor).

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 12:36 PM
So the web of who knows who is starting to spread a bit more..

I really think the 1 of the claimed thieves should clear the other tonight (procyon onto gore is safest bet I think)

Goremancer knows the doctor,
Illidan and philie know the jailor
Blacksmiths are cleared by masons, and vice versa
really we need to connect the dots and lynch everyone else.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 12:37 PM
Proycon please tell me your logic behind your actions. From Yesterday i am curious. Why me and not steal from Goremancer? Or from somebody who is scummy? I was on the Elixier train, I hammered Fred, i voted on Dimwit.

I want to hear your logic in detail behind your actions.

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:38 PM
Did I misread Illidan's claim? I thought he CLAIMED Jailor, not claimed that he knew the jailor.

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 12:38 PM
You stood out to me because you were trying to argue that jack was a vigilante when I know he wasn't. In hindsight though that was probably wifom.

Stealing from goremancer would not confirm he was not a dark thief.

Actually stealing from gore would confirm whether or not he has guns (which he says he doesn't) but he would if he lied about stealing from you...

Steal from gore and it will clear him or confirm the existence of a dark thief + 2 town thieves (assuming you are actually town thief to begin with)

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 12:38 PM
Oh snap, echonian lives

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:39 PM
Oh snap, echonian lives

Damn skippy.

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:40 PM
Regarding thieves stealing the armor that I give:





One more question.

So I see from the order of operations that putting on a vest comes BEFORE thieves can steal. So if I were to give someone a vest, and they were to put it on that night, a thief wouldn't be able to steal it from them, correct?

If the person uses the vest then, you are correct. The Thief cannot undress someone without some serious skill... but that would be a hooker.

Haha. Just wanted to make sure this was Mafia and not Skyrim. xD

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:41 PM
I have to go to class soon. Vorn, I want you to confirm to me. Forgive me for not being trusting, especially with people I trust clearing you. However, I've been manipulated as a Gunsmith/Blacksmith before, so I plan on verifying every claim to the best of my ability.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 12:43 PM
I don't think there is much point in the thieves stealing from each other. I'm fairly sure that both are thieves, whether they are the dark thief is the question. I'd rather both shoot a target we give them unless Goremancer doesn't have a gun.

Remember that a modkilled player is the dark thief and Goremancer is the same person he was on day 0. Procyon claims to have killed Jack and I don't see an angry townie disputing that. Look at scummy, likely modkills to find the dark thief.

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 12:44 PM
Proycon please tell me your logic behind your actions. From Yesterday i am curious. Why me and not steal from Goremancer? Or from somebody who is scummy? I was on the Elixier train, I hammered Fred, i voted on Dimwit.

I want to hear your logic in detail behind your actions.

It was pretty much because you made this post:

Maybe thejackofspades was Vigilante and got another gun from one of our smiths?
I felt like only mafia would try to convince us he was a vigilante and did not anticipate your wifom. It was a sudo-random pick, that's what I did with elixir, and jack, and dimwit too. I hate being predictable.

fm Procyon
February 27th, 2012, 12:44 PM
I'd rather both shoot a target we give them unless Goremancer doesn't have a gun.

I agree, this is a better idea. Since I have the vig gun I think I can even leave a deathnote.

fm Nick
February 27th, 2012, 12:45 PM
Possible plan:

Ganondorf Bodygaurds Vornskr, Vornskr makes armor and gives to echonian who uses right away, echonian makes armor/guns for confirmed townies or ganondorf.

I don't trust ganon at this point 100% so I suggest making him the available target

I doubt that a doctor is still alive but if he is then he would heal ganon.

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:45 PM
By the way, that tip from the GM basically turns Blacksmiths into Doctors who can confirm their roles. Thus, if Vorn is not lying, you basically have two Doctors who can prevent a Mafia kill each EVERY night. Once I confirm his identity, we can set up an epic heal chain that will essentially make town unkillable. Beyond that, we will have 2 mostly confirmed Masons, a Mayor, 2 confirmed Blacksmiths, and a Jailor. So... yeah. Town is setting pretty right now, assuming North truly is the Arsonist.

Jailor should target the Citizen claimers tonight, as should people with my guns. If the Arsonist dies, I will be able to take care of Philie, feeding him armor while Vorn feeds him guns. Unkillable, 7-vote, gun-wielding Mayor = best role ever.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 12:46 PM
Fm Goremancer is not likely the red amnesiac turned to Dark thief. The same goes for proycon.

Goremancer could still be scum, Health packs aren't shown in pm's are they? Sounds more like a bad excuse for a fake thief action.

Proycon is in fact the Town thief. He wouldn't claim to have my gun b4 goremancer claims otherwise. This clears him in my eyes. also he cleared me with that as well.

Or The town thief is none of both and is still hidden.

It s interesting how nobody of those 2 try to get the stuff from the Godfather.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 12:46 PM
I have to go to class soon. Vorn, I want you to confirm to me. Forgive me for not being trusting, especially with people I trust clearing you. However, I've been manipulated as a Gunsmith/Blacksmith before, so I plan on verifying every claim to the best of my ability.

I'd rather me, Narks or phillie get a gun. Vorn is a confirmed blacksmith. It might be a good idea for you to give armour to each other though so we have 2 immune blacksmiths.

fm Admiral
February 27th, 2012, 12:46 PM
So Northstar finally tripped, eh. I noticed last night that he claimed to be Ubernox, who was shot N1 as Akira. The funny thing is, the FAQ specifically stated that Ubernox was modkilled and given a second chance. No chance of him getting modkilled for inactivity if he died N1, eh?

Oh. If possible, I'd like to hear whom Procyon and Goremancer stole from Night 5. I think I missed that somewhere... Did they say?

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 12:47 PM
I have to go to class soon. Vorn, I want you to confirm to me. Forgive me for not being trusting, especially with people I trust clearing you. However, I've been manipulated as a Gunsmith/Blacksmith before, so I plan on verifying every claim to the best of my ability.

Not only do I confirm Vornskr, I also confirm Illidan. I was jailed as well, so I know the jailor.

Both you, Illidan, and Vornskr are clean. As are Philie and Zack. We have 6 confirmed players out of 21 living people (22, but someone died today already).

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:48 PM
Possible plan:

Ganondorf Bodygaurds Vornskr, Vornskr makes armor and gives to echonian who uses right away, echonian makes armor/guns for confirmed townies or ganondorf.

I don't trust ganon at this point 100% so I suggest making him the available target

I doubt that a doctor is still alive but if he is then he would heal ganon.

I don't trust Ganon, and I won't trust Vorn until he confirms his role to me by giving me armor.

Ganon is MORE trustworthy than the majority of other scum targets, but he's definitely not cleared. Because of that, he should be at the END of a heal chain, not in the middle.

fm Goremancer
February 27th, 2012, 12:50 PM
Actually stealing from gore would confirm whether or not he has guns (which he says he doesn't) but he would if he lied about stealing from you...

Steal from gore and it will clear him or confirm the existence of a dark thief + 2 town thieves (assuming you are actually town thief to begin with)
I HAVE a gun. Reread my posts. I stole a gun from MikeVipe.

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:50 PM
Not only do I confirm Vornskr, I also confirm Illidan. I was jailed as well, so I know the jailor.

Both you, Illidan, and Vornskr are clean. As are Philie and Zack. We have 6 confirmed players out of 21 living people (22, but someone died today already).

Okay. I want Vorn to confirm TO ME though. I will trust both for now, but I won't trust him entirely until I see the PM of me getting armor from him.

Something about all the gun claims and 2nd Blacksmith rumor doesn't add up with Vorn's night actions. So either he's lying, or the people claiming to have received guns early on are. Vorn can easily prove which is the case.


I'd rather me, Narks or phillie get a gun. Vorn is a confirmed blacksmith. It might be a good idea for you to give armour to each other though so we have 2 immune blacksmiths.

I'm saying for today, I want him to confirm to me. Forgive me for not trusting anyone when giving guns is involved. If you want to know why, ask the god damn Germans.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 12:51 PM
why did you use your health pack on echonian tonight? How about givingsome reasoning to your fucking actions if you are town? Maybe people can believe you more then. You really should be interested in clearing yourself if you are town.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 12:52 PM
Luna said me and Narks were masons.
Luna was the mason leader.

:huh:

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 12:52 PM
Okay. I want Vorn to confirm TO ME though. I will trust both for now, but I won't trust him entirely until I see the PM of me getting armor from him.

Something about all the gun claims and 2nd Blacksmith rumor doesn't add up with Vorn's night actions. So either he's lying, or the people claiming to have received guns early on are. Vorn can easily prove which is the case.



I'm saying for today, I want him to confirm to me. Forgive me for not trusting anyone when giving guns is involved. If you want to know why, ask the god damn Germans.

Here's the thing though: You guys openly stating who you will give armor/guns to will result in the mafia knowing who not to target. According to the information we have, the mafia have 2 KPN. If NorthStar is not the Arsonist...well, this will go all the way bad.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 12:52 PM
I'm saying for today, I want him to confirm to me. Forgive me for not trusting anyone when giving guns is involved. If you want to know why, ask the god damn Germans.

Lolwut? U still mad Lysergic? :D

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 12:54 PM
Northstar is 100% the arsonist. We should lynch him now before people vote Ganondorf or until everyone forgets to vote and he survives.

fm Goremancer
February 27th, 2012, 12:55 PM
why did you use your health pack on echonian tonight? How about givingsome reasoning to your fucking actions if you are town? Maybe people can believe you more then. You really should be interested in clearing yourself if you are town.
Why not? He is an armorsmith (= high priority target), the Jailor had to protect philie and I wanted to make sure he doesn't die. Armorsmiths are valuable roles.
vote NorthStar

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 12:55 PM
Lolwut? U still mad Lysergic? :D

He gave me a gun but doc gone heal the german genral :sad:

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:56 PM
Here's the thing though: You guys openly stating who you will give armor/guns to will result in the mafia knowing who not to target. According to the information we have, the mafia have 2 KPN. If NorthStar is not the Arsonist...well, this will go all the way bad.

Fine. Then Vorn can give me armor, freeing up the Doctor, Bodyguard, and the person with a stolen medkit. Then I can proceed to give Armor to whoever the fuck I feel like giving it to, while the other three protection roles (plus the Jailor) target their own respective targets.

I'm saying that we have enough protection roles to guard ALL confirmed town tonight, assuming we lynch the Arsonist correctly TODAY.



Luna said me and Narks were masons.
Luna was the mason leader.

:huh:

And the Jailor said Fyodor was an Investigator and his "sword and shield."

Look where that got me.


Lolwut? U still mad Lysergic? :D

So mad that I'm paranoid, and I'll never get over it. xD

Vote NorthStar

My computer is dying and I have class in about 15 minutes. I will be around afterwards, but I have a fuck ton of homework to get done today.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 12:56 PM
You really should be interested in clearing yourself if you are town.

That's scum.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 12:56 PM
I'm still here. And I didn't steal from Procyon. I used the medkit I've stolen yesterday. I healed Echonian. Perhaps I will get a new medkit tomorrow since we need protection.
OK, let's think about the roles and the graveyard.
17- Mayor (cannot be hidden role)---Philie
18- Jailor (cannot be hidden role)---Illidan
19- Sheriff---Plato(dead)
20- Private Eye---FalseTruth(dead)
21- Doctor---Akira(dead)
22- Blacksmith Deathfire was Blacksmith before modkill
23- Hooker---Oops_ur_dead(dead)
24- Blacksmith---Echonian(dead?)
25- Thief---Procyon
26- Thief---Me(Goremancer)
27- Doctor---???
28- Bodyguard---MikeVipe(dead)
29- Veteran---Monster(dead)
30- PE---Kromos(dead)
31- Mason Leader---Luna(dead)
32- Vigilante---Rumpel
33- Blacksmith---Vornskr
34- Hidden
35- Hidden
36- Hidden
37- Hidden
38- Hidden
39- Hidden
40- Cit/Mason---Narks
41- Cit/Mason---Crimson(dead)
42- Cit/Mason---Zack
43- Cit
44- Cit
45- Cit
46- Cit Guardian use to be cit before modkill
47- Cit Dimwit use to be cit before modkill
48- Cit Muso use to be cit before modkill
49- Cit McPwnage use to be cit before modkill
50- Cit Landstander use to be cit before modkil
BlastYoBoots could have been a PR, he claimed "seen by lookouter". He also could have been mafia. I think about shooting him.

"I'm still here. And I didn't steal from Procyon. I used the medkit I've stolen yesterday. I healed Echonian. Perhaps I will get a new medkit tomorrow since we need protection."

Are you even trying to play this game? You come on here every day and make a few posts and leave again. We barely ever get any information out of you. You don't seem town-aligned to me at all. [And if Procyon is actually Dark Thief and you are Town Thief, he deserves to win. You've been playing terribly as the town thief, imo.] You still haven't used your gun (really?!) and have not asked town to help direct your night shot. You healed someone who was the likely heal target for the night (he was BG'd, or so Ganon claims) instead of stealing from players.

And now you say you might possibly go for another health kit?! Can the doctor even heal if you steal his medkit for the night?! Why would you possibly do that?

You realize you can steal Body Armor from the Godfather and/or pills from the Hooker still in our midst? Yet you are taking resources from the Doctor instead? That's one night action to get a health pack and a second night action to heal someone. What a waste.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 12:57 PM
ok Vorn give Echonian armour if he wants it so much. At least you two can setup up a heal chain if you aren't killed tonight.

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 12:59 PM
ok Vorn give Echonian armour if he wants it so much. At least you two can setup up a heal chain if you aren't killed tonight.

If we lynch the Arsonist, the Blacksmiths are invincible tonight assuming all goes well.

@Narks: I agree with your assessment of Gore. Stealing from the Doctor = epically retarded. Thieves should be targeting the Citizen claimers to figure out who's lying.

fm Rumpel
February 27th, 2012, 12:59 PM
That's scum.

Come at me Bro!

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 01:00 PM
Zack may need a vest if Philie is jailed. I have 2 remaining unless they are stolen, in which case the Dark Thief will waste his actions on a Mason.

fm Zack
February 27th, 2012, 01:00 PM
"I'm still here. And I didn't steal from Procyon. I used the medkit I've stolen yesterday. I healed Echonian. Perhaps I will get a new medkit tomorrow since we need protection."

Are you even trying to play this game? You come on here every day and make a few posts and leave again. We barely ever get any information out of you. You don't seem town-aligned to me at all. [And if Procyon is actually Dark Thief and you are Town Thief, he deserves to win. You've been playing terribly as the town thief, imo.] You still haven't used your gun (really?!) and have not asked town to help direct your night shot. You healed someone who was the likely heal target for the night (he was BG'd, or so Ganon claims) instead of stealing from players.

And now you say you might possibly go for another health kit?! Can the doctor even heal if you steal his medkit for the night?! Why would you possibly do that?

You realize you can steal Body Armor from the Godfather and/or pills from the Hooker still in our midst? Yet you are taking resources from the Doctor instead? That's one night action to get a health pack and a second night action to heal someone. What a waste.

Goremancer has not been modkilled. I think that's pretty clear. He is therefore not the dark thief no matter how bad he is playing. Don't give gun holders any bad ideas about shooting him 0.o

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 01:02 PM
Zack may need a vest if Philie is jailed. I have 2 remaining unless they are stolen, in which case the Dark Thief will waste his actions on a Mason.

Regardless, you can put one on tonight. If Philie is jailed, we still have a hidden Doctor to heal Zack and a Bodyguard to cover whoever else needs covering.

Personally, I'm more worried about the Mafia shooting at the hidden PRs than the confirmed; we're all pretty safe right now.

fm Narks
February 27th, 2012, 01:04 PM
Goremancer has not been modkilled. I think that's pretty clear. He is therefore not the dark thief no matter how bad he is playing. Don't give gun holders any bad ideas about shooting him 0.o

His possible investigation results also included Survivor. Just pointing that out.

However, I feel we have better targets in our midst. Ambient/Sumikoko/TheWaagh have not role-claimed (and don't give me that "If you look close enough, you'll see who I am" bullshit). This is a role-claim day. Give us night actions and your role claim so we can clear you. If you are town, even Doctor, it won't be a problem because we have two Blacksmiths who can spread Armor/Guns and a Jailor who can protect you. We also have Citizens who do not mind dying for the town.

Nick and Miles, I feel, are most likely telling the truth to being Citizens, but that's just my opinion.

fm Echonian
February 27th, 2012, 01:07 PM
Going to class. I'll be back in roughly an hour and 45 minutes.

Try not to let things melt down before then. And Vorn, DO NOT give an item until I get back. Town has to plan shit out today for things to go well tonight.

fm Miles
February 27th, 2012, 01:16 PM
I don't even remember miles speaking once in this game.

I'm sure you do: I'm the one who was babbling about the possibility of an SK on Day 1 (I considered it 'going for broke') and how unlikely it was that Herr was a Green Wizard... beyond that, anything I said either didn't exist or was lost in the thousands of other posts which may or may not have been useful and/or noteworthy.

Don't the masons get to elect a new leader tomorrow or something? Really, with NorthStar out of the picture, we are sitting pretty...

fm Miles
February 27th, 2012, 01:20 PM
Nick and Miles, I feel, are most likely telling the truth to being Citizens, but that's just my opinion.

For the record fm Ganondorf, I was hinting at town PR for a reason (actually, I was kinda going for doctor, but PE would've worked fine too): with the N1 death of the CL, I figured my services were needed more in the 'take a bullet' department than in the 'become a mason' area (though I did still recognize the importance of the masons, and for good reason). Had I actually put some more work into it, I think I could've pulled it off too...