fm Zack
February 16th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Roles:
Mafia
01- GodFather - Illidan?
02- Dark Thief - Archangel
03- Hidden Mafia - Elixir
04- Hidden Mafia - Lysergic - Hooker?
05- Hidden Mafia - Auckmid
06- Hidden Mafia - MrSmarter
07- Hidden Mafia -
08- Hidden Mafia -
09- Hidden Mafia -
10- Hidden Mafia -
*Hidden mafia roles can be: Hooker, Framer, BlackMailer or Mafioso
Neutrals
11- Arsonist - Yayap
12- Hidden (Jester) - Claw
13- Hidden - Wizard - HerrZynisch
14- Hidden - Arsonist - Ganondorf
15- Hidden - Survivor? - Ambient?
16- Hidden -
*Hidden neutral roles can be: Serial Killer, Arsonist, Spree Killer, Jester, Student, Survivor, Amnesiac or Wizard.*
Town
17- Mayor (cannot be hidden role)
18- Jailor (cannot be hidden role)
19- Sheriff - Plato?
20- Hidden - Doctor - Akira
21- Hidden - Bodyguard - MikeVipe
22- Hidden - Veteran - Monster
23- Hidden - Independent Hooker - Oops_ur_dead
24- Hidden - Mason Leader - Luna
25- Hidden - Private Eye - Kromos
26- Hidden - Private Eye - Lysergic?
27- Hidden - Private Eye - fred?
28- Hidden - Doctor - BlastYoBoots?
29- Hidden - Sheriff - Capitalier?
30- Hidden -
31- Hidden
32- Hidden
33- Hidden
34- Hidden
35- Hidden
36- Hidden
37- Hidden
38- Hidden
39- Hidden
40- Cit - Zack
41- Cit - Narks
42- Cit - Admiral (Sumikoko)?
43- Cit - Muso?
44- Cit - Nick?
45- Cit - Echonian?
46- Cit - Goonswarm?
47- Cit - Capitalier?
48- Cit
49- Cit
50- Cit
*Hidden town roles can be: Sheriff (max of 3), Private Eye (max of 3), Spy (max of 2), Doctor, Blacksmith, Bodyguard, Veteran (max of 2), Vigilante, Independent Hooker, Bus Driver, Mason Leader (max of 1), Mason, Town Thief (max of 2) or Citizen.*
Random Any
1- Hidden - Neutral Amnesiac? - McPwnage
2- Hidden
3- Hidden
4- Hidden
5- Hidden
6- Hidden
7- Hidden
8- Hidden
Player List:
Admiral (Sumikoko) - Cit?
Akira - Doctor
Ambient - Survivor or town PR? Other Neutral?
Archangel - Dark Thief
BlastYoBoots - Town PR? Doctor?
Capitalier - Sheriff?
Claw - (Claw) Jester
CptKirk
Crimson - Town?
Dark.Revenant - Town?
Deathfire123 -
Dimwit - Modkilled?
Echonian - Cit?
Elixir - (Dimwit) Mafioso
FalseTruth (TheWaaagh) - Mafia or cleared by sheriff?
Fred - Private Eye?
Ganondorf - Arsonist?
Goonswarm - Cit?
Goremancer - PR
Guardian - Modkilled
HerrZynisch - Red Wizard?
Kevinpowers - Very scummy
Kromos - Private Eye
Landstander
Luna - Mason Leader
Lysergic - Private Eye?
McPwnage (Claw) - Modkilled - Neutral Amnesiac?
MikeVipe - Bodyguard
Miles - No idea, neutral?
Monster - Veteran
MrSmarter - Mafia?
Muso - Cit?
Narks (Escaho) - Cit / Mason
Nick (DramaLlama) - Cit?
NorthStar - Modkilled
Oops_ur_dead (Muso) - Independent Hooker
Philie - Town?
Plato (Capitalier?) - Sheriff?
Procyon
Rumpel (CmG) - Blackmailer?
Suicidaln00b - Scummy
Sumikoko - Modkilled
TheJackofSpades
TheWaaagh
Vornskr - Modkilled
Yayap - Arsonist
Zack (Kromos) - Cit / Mason
Zane
Graveyard:
(colored roles have already been checked by coroners)
Raiden - Cult Leader - Burned day 0
Akira - Doctor - Shot night 1
Archangel - Dark Thief - Shot night 1
Claw - Jester - Lynched day 1
Yayap - Arsonist - Suicide night 2
MikeVipe - Bodyguard - Suicide night 2
Monster - Veteran - Suicide night 2
Elixir - Mafioso - Lynched day 2
Lysergic - G Wizard / Amnesiac / Hooker / Private Eye - Shot night 3
Kromos - Private Eye? - Incinerated day 3
Suicidaln00b - Mafia? - Incinerated day 3
Capitalier - Sheriff? - Incinerated day 3
??? - Incinerated day 3
None of these roles are confirmed because no coroners have checked them but we don't have much else to go on unless we want to completely disregard the newspaper messages and just guess their roles.
Town
Narks
Luna
Zack
Oops_ur_dead
Kromos
Probably Town
Crimson
Fred
Admiral
Muso
Echonian
Phillie
Dark.Revenant
Goonswarm
BlastYoBoots
CptKirk
Vornskr
Plato
Scummy
MrSmarter
Auckmid
Ganondorf
Kevinpowers
Zane
Suicidaln00b
A bit iffy
FalseTruth
Deathfire123
Procyon
Illidan
Citizens?
Admiral
Nick
Goonswarm
Muso
Echonian
Note that the reads for citizens and mafia are similar. I mainly go off mafia reads so neutrals can be put into the town pile.
Day 1 Notes
r11 Deathfire123
Mafia should be our priority, afterwards is cult and any threatening neutrals. I'm positive there's a cult somewhere.
//Makes sure that people know he is anti-mafia first and foremost.
r15 HerrZynisch
inb4 Luna is Luna Lovegood the wizard
inb4 fred is Fred Weasley
// Speculation about wizards so people don't know he is one?
r45 Zane
If the coroner gets culted... D:
// Trying to get town points?
r68 Deathfire123
What is the KPN of Mafia?
//Another person claiming not to know the KPN. This is a classic mafia post as the mafia would know the KPN and he could be throwing it in for extra town points.
r72 Suicidaln00b
Ok ok. In all honesty it might be too early to say this, but I'm sheriff. HerrZynisch is confirmed mafia. Trolling is a defense used to keep mafia away from me. Especially if i just spam nonsense, then I am not a threat to them.
I hope your happy with this decision. And I don't die N2 -.-
//Says Herr is confirmed mafia to try to give his claim more validity. Ignores the possibility of a framer or bus driver and doesn't even try to make it look like he has been forced to do this. He wants to spread confusion.
r72 Suicidaln00b
Ok ok. In all honesty it might be too early to say this, but I'm sheriff. HerrZynisch is confirmed mafia. Trolling is a defense used to keep mafia away from me. Especially if i just spam nonsense, then I am not a threat to them.
I hope your happy with this decision. And I don't die N2 -.-
//I don't believe he was blackmailed or told by the arsonist to say that. He would be an idiot to do what the arsonist says as he would be burned anyway. He also tries to make his claim more believable by saying he was just trolling to keep mafia away. Why make your claim more believable when you are being forced to claim and don't want people to believe you? He is probably scum or a citizen trying to get killed.
r76 Deathfire123
-Vote HerrZynisch
We shouldn't random lynch, but since Suicidal made his first move I say we should hear HerrZynisch's defense.
//First to jump on the Herr bandwagon. Makes sure to look pro-town by saying we shouldn't random lynch and saying that is strange as Herr wouldn't be a random lynch after being called out by the sheriff.
r79 Suicidaln00b
I have 48 hours to make posts, why not have a little fun before then. Plus I didn't want to reveal any info yet, I usually wait a bit to double check any errors. And I didn't want to draw mafia attention to myself.
I'm new to FM so I just do what i do in the sc2 mafia.
//Again he tries to look more like the sheriff even though he should be doing the opposite if he had been forced to claim. This guy is not pro-town at all.
r80 HerrZynisch
I don't know what suicidaln00b's game is (I thought we were friends!)
My defense is obviously that I'm not mafia. I wouldn't put much faith in a player who claims sheriff within an
hour of the day starting and just a couple of votes on him.
//A very scummy defense that attacks his accuser. I wouldn't be surprised if he is the red wizard.
r89 Herr
I know he's lying, but that's not the point is it Zack?
Now Claw's claim is an interesting turn of events.
This whole business about not knowing exact roles in the graveyard means we have to take extra care with our lynches.
I'm slightly miffed that we have to lynch today, because today would be the best day to no lynch and let the jailor talk to someone.
//lol he knows he's lying but that's not the point as he will still get lynched as the red wizard?
r104 Herr
I think he means Zack.
(who changed his avatar to Snape and has been obsessing about wizards - though a green wizard would be awesome)
//Another post about wizards. I am unsure whether to take this as a green wizard tell or red wizard tell. Maybe red if Herr is an inexperienced player. I also think a new player would like to go red because its cool.
r106 Echonian
Err... when did Zack do that? So far, Claw and Suicidal are the only claims (and thus the only accusations).
//I like this post and get a town read from it.
r111 fred
Personally I don't believe either the sheriff claim or the private eye claim. I think given the total crapshoot that investigating is the private eyes would probably be using detective powers or possibly lookout powers instead of the unreliable investigations.
//This post almost seems like fred is a private eye that is distrustful of other private eye claims (there is a limit) and thinks they would have used lookout or detective powers which maybe he did?
r127 Suicidaln00b
Just to recapp, Just to recap, I claimed SHERIFF and ACCUSED fm HerrZynish.
Ok, that is all.
r128 Suicidaln00b
and Voted for him.
//Now he starts going with the blackmailed / doused angle. Possibly after Claw said he checked him but Claw must have got Suicidal's role right if that was true. Claw's results were Thief / Dark Thief / Vigilante / Mafioso so he could be one of them, dark thief is impossible. I still have no idea why he didn't make it more obvious before instead of actively trying to convince us he was the sheriff. Still don't think he did this because doused.
r108 Herr
I'm not role-claiming 80 minutes into the first day of a 50 player fm based on the current situation
r130 Herr
I am not averse to a role-claim because I believe I can prove my role to someone if necessary. I am more concerned about being lynched and having my role be unspecified in the graveyard (meaning suicidaln00b can't be proved wrong).
Since the number of votes even counts if we don't get a hammer, I guess I'm voting for him until I hear back from more people, and I hear more from suicidaln00b about Claw's accusation.
-vote fm suicidaln00b
Current Tally:
HerrZynisch (4): SuicidalN00b, Deathfire123, FalseTruth, Zane
SuicidalN00b (3): Zack, MikeVipe, HerrZynisch
//First says he won't claim his role then changes his mind very quickly for a pro-town reason.
r154 Capitalier
Does anyone else find it endearing that Akira and Archangel were roommates. That they both died? A lovers quarrel perhaps.
*slurp*
The mud has already begun to be slung. We have had two claim 'Town Power Roles' against each other? Well, they have only narrowed down their options to 1/4 if.. they are even what they claim to be.
Also consider. The Blackmailed will certainly be used to cause confusion.
//His distrust of the claims seems to point towards him being the sheriff.
r174 Capitalier
Every scummy action that anyone performs is going to be considered.. but.. What if he is blackmailed..
*Meow*
We need to keep track of who is acting scummy/when and track it over time to determine what is what.
//I don't like this post. Gives off a mafia who knows too much and can use that information to be helpful vibe.
r178 Muso
Ok, so we have:
HerrZynisch- Claims Green Wizard, Admirad to McPwnage
Claw- Claims Private Eye, says found Scuicidalnoob as a thief/dark thief/vigi/mafiso
Scuicidalnoob- Claims Sherriff, accuses HerrZynisch.
If any of this is wrong please say so. I only quickly read thought it.
//Muso seems like a bored cit (low post count + some attempt at helping even though he is bored). Almost all his posts are about trying to read and how there are too many posts + people which is how I was feeling as my only job is to scum hunt which I can't do with so many posts. PRs wouldn't care as much as they can find things through their night actions. Could be a lurking mafia who is trying to lay low.
r298 Muso
More useless rolrclaiming. I saw no reason for a mason to just come out like that and claim. ATLEAST he should have let Claw claim first, but right now it looks like more mafia saving mafia. Or jester, jester is also rather likey.
//Another post that makes him look like a cit. He has barely posted anything but feels the need to speak out about the mason claim because he thinks they are stupid for claiming or lying.
r201 FalseTruth
If your intentions were to point out the bullshit in Suicide's claim, maybe you should've focused your energy on your own first. You have no one to blame but yourself if you get lynched and you had a shit investigator claim.
//Very scummy. He is saying "I don't care if you're town, it's your own fault if you get lynched".
r203 Nick
I like sports... And besides the teams were baseball teams haha.
Originally Posted by fm HerrZynisch
I didn't reveal the new target, it would have been informative to see what McPwnage claimed (and if I'd manipulated a scum role, the scum couldn't be sure who they'd targeted).
I figured that I could just tell Admiral who he was witched to if he turned out to be a Sheriff or someone that needed to know.
So get admiral to confirm/deny being witched.
I know its only been like 3 hours but a lot of people are either lurking or afk. Makes me want to become a serial killer IRL and stab them in the balls and/or threaten them to post more often or I'll rape their wives/daughters/mothers.
I signed up for FMx because of anti-lurk/afk rules. Comon people!
//Almost every post he makes is scummy. He trolls and only helps with the vote tally. Scum like to draw attention away from themselves by attacker lurkers as town won't have a problem lynching lurkers and it only decreases ton numbers.
r318 Auckmid
Wow... this was on like...page 4 or somethign when i left to have dinner with a home baked cookies and pineapple for dessert! Cookies are great, reading a bazillion posts is not. (Pineapple also = awesome)
It really looks like Claw effed up. Lies and odd claims abound. If we have to lynch someone (which we do), it seems best to lynch Claw, not because he may or may not be REAL claw, but because he's fucked up the most already. Even if he IS town, throwing in false claims and false info into the mix could really screw us. I'd prefer to eliminate someone we will NEVER know if we can trust ever, than leave him in.
I'm terrible at tallys but I am adding my vote in here:
-vote claw
//Another lynch him even if he is town voter. This post is very scummy in a lot of ways: "if we have to lynch someon, Claw is the best choice" and "looks like Claw really effed up" just seems like a mafia who wants to lynch someone who he knows is not mafia.
r326 fred
Btw what was the fifth result? One of the main reasons I don't believe your claim is because you gave four possible results when there are supposed to be five.
//His two posts so far have only been about the Private Eye and the way it works. Getting a strong PE read from him.
r337 Nick
All I wanted to say is
YOU CAN MULTIVOTE.
Be sure to -unvote if you change your m
Lul comic sans
//Nick is trolling so hard that I'm willing to believe that he is an important PR like the jailor or mayor trying to be ignored.
r 341 Auckmid
Yeah but oops your posts have so far been less than helpful. The difference is the lying sheriff can be jailed and made a claim then shutup after that, not trying to push it.
The lying investigator made a claim, that was proven to be completely fabricated after the fact, and keeps pushing for it and throwing in chaos with it.
Now, I'm not saying suicidal is innocent, not by any means. In fact I personally think he needs to be detained, or otherwise investigated to see what he truly is. Claw at this point, is more harmful to the town. Too chaotic, dangerous, bothersome.
//Another very scummy post with bad suggestions for town.
r362 Auckmid
Originally Posted by fm CptKirk
Conclusion:
Claw is a citizen/mason/recruited mason/mason Leader
Claw was blackmailed to
1)Claim Private Eye
and
2) Give only 4 results
Claw cant be a jester because that would require Oops to do some SERIOUS WIFOM.
suicidal is playing the part of blackmailed.
Oops is Mason Leader/Mason/Recruited citizen/Blackmailed
my only conclusion is that the mafia probably has 2 blackmailers.
Blackmailer wouldn't know to blackmail that specifically for an invest. The key to remember is that we learned how the investigations worked AFTER the investigator claim. If I were blackmailer, I would not specify a certain number of roles like that in case it became obvious that the claim was false and therefore a blackmail. I suppose it is possible that it's just lucky and worked out that way, but I don't think so. The claim looked pretty legit, and if FM Claw was really blackmailed I don't see why he'd fight THIS hard to keep up the charade. It doesn't make sense, and your defense of it, makes you look scummy.
Originally Posted by oops
I don't know where to start with this post, so I'll simply address your last line.
I agree with Auckmid.
We should all line up as town clones and all act in a pre-agreed manner.
Doctors heal all sheriff claims.
Sheriffs out yourselves as soon as you have a result.
Blacksmiths give all your shit to the sheriffs.
Vigilantes/ Jailor you must wait to be addressed by the Town before making any kind of decision by yourself.
I think we can all agree this is the best course of action, and the least chaotic and bothersome way to play Town.
Good luck!
Is that what I said? Wow, I'm sure glad you're here to completely miss the fucking point.
The point is, even if claw IS town, which I highly doubt, going about his actions like that is only going to harm things, cause votes to split, and give the mafia more room to influence things.
While I personally believe suicidaln00b should be investigated or detained, I of course leave
//I cannot believe that Auckmid is town. He is unbeleivably scummy like Fyodor was last game.
r364 Yayap
Originally Posted by fm Zane
Mafia are Oops, CptKirk, Yapyap, Deathfire123, Plato, and MrSmarter.
That is all.
You have ALL that from DAY 1, BRAVO! Best. Mafia. Player. Ever.
PLUS Zane, you must be so smart you forgot to add Claw. You know, CLAW, the guy you voted for already.
But... he's not on your Mafialist.... hmmm
Second thought
-Vote Zane
//Yayap was right in this post. Zane did nout put Claw in his list of mafia when he had voted for him.
r426 Procyon
I have a lot of reading to do. Responding to random things as I go through:
Originally Posted by fm Narks
However, why in the world would you decide not to reveal this information in your FIRST POST of the day? Even more: why wouldn't you at least post it after your "confirmed mafia" target also posted on Page 1 with absolute nonsensical spam as well.
It is not unreasonable to wait and see if other people have anything to contribute first. Hell, someone might have a lead on the same guy you do and you can stay hidden a bit longer.
//I like this post, town vibe.
r443 MrSmarter
I find it funny that Ganondorf is pointing a finger at me on grounds that:
Originally Posted by fm Ganondorf
MrSmarter is a scumbag first class. Says he doesnt believe Suicidaln00b is a sheriff using Claws bullshit investigator finds as motive and that he should answer Zack about the PM he got. Then he continues to fucking vote HerrZynisch up anyway and tries to push for a roleclaim. Wheres the logic? THERE IS NO FUCKING LOGIC. Except maybe that he knows our friendly neigborhood n00b got blackmailed and he wants to benefit from his induced sheriff claim. This bastard is mafia with Claw or a retard. I think he's both.
Vote MrSmarter
I answer Zack about what PM? Zack never asked me for my PM.
Continue to vote up Herr? I pulled my vote out pages ago you fool.
//Very defensive at being accused of things that he felt were unwarranted, which mafia hate.
r487 Elixir
The most important thing I see today is that are best lynch targets are Claw and Suicidal. Claw is my favorite target of the two because he put a lot of effort in to a shitty counterclaim. Suicidal seems to be doing a lot more trolling than anything, which is either being blackmailed or a jester or he's failing at some heavy gambit as a cit or mob.
The thing about Claw is that he came to the defense of someone claiming to be a town wizard. A defense that was a really shitty lie. This heavily implies that Claw is and Herr share some form of connection with each other. Are we seeing a classic vote-split? I know it's not as doable in this setup but it's such an easy tactic to buy even one more day.
So really, would you rather lynch a confirmed liar or someone who is likely blackmailed/jester? I would prefer to lynch a simple liar.
-Vote Claw
I might vote some others later, but I'm not to that point yet in my understanding of this overactive day 1.
Did I miss anything?
//There seems to be a connection between Elixir and Suicidal. He says Suicidal would be a good lynch but then writes off Suicidal's claim as trolling and leaves the mafia possibility right in at the end to make it less noticable?
r495 Elixir
You remind me of Matvei from fm9. He did the same thing but got his own healer killed and you make many more useless posts.
//Again tries to make Suicidal look like a troll instead of scum by comparing him to a cit who lynched the doc last game. Either because he is defending a fellow mafia or because he knows suicidal isn't mafia.
r506 Elixir
You didn't prove anything. you proved yourself to be a liar... well, other people did anyway. You were caught red handed, why should we believe anything you say? im not saying that suicidal is telling the truth, he comes off as a liar as well, but it came off more impulsive, while yours was planned out, even if it was incorrectly planned.
There is more evidence to base a lynch on you currently than Suicidal. Is it 100%? no. But it's higher than Suicidal. I'll vote for suicidal once I don't believe he is a really obvious jester, a really shitty cit or being blackmailed.
//He is obsessed with suicidal and mentioned him so many times in that post. He keeps defending him by saying he is a jester or cit and tries to push the lynch towards Claw instead.
r514 Elixir
Someone should really shoot you tonight, because it's unlikely that youre sheriff. That way we can be sure to save a Jester from lynch. If it wasn't for you're useless posts, I'd more likely believe that you are blackmailed.
Can a Blackmailer force someone to post pointless videos as part of the blackmail demands?
//Maybe bussing, but it does give less credence to suicidal being mafia.
r523 Auckmid
haha no not really, but i did have pineapple. it was great.
I just want to say that little new info has been contributed, I tried taking a fresh look at the situation. I am starting to doubt suicidaln00b is blackmailed, perhaps he's sheriff, or jester, or something else I don't know yet. The reasoning behind this, is if one were blackmailed, simply answering no to the direct question of being blackmailed is kind of stupid, someone blackmailed would dance around that question (or I suppose someone pretending to be blackmailed).
Claw, I wanted to analyze your supposed PM from the GM. You have yet to repost it (or I missed it, in that case my bad). I'd like to see it copied and pasted from your inbox so we can analyze and see if there is any chance a 5th role was included in cryptic rp-ness.
I'll check back later and respond if something useful has come up, I have things to do right now.
ALSO FM DR's idea is good. Jailor can just detain him, and if suicidal is not jailed tomorrow (day 2) then he's confirmed sheriff.
//Says exactly the same as Elixir about Suicidal.
r525 DR
There is a problem: What if Archangel was the Jailor? Is that possible?
//Doesn't know that archangel was mafia. Could be pretending but it looks believable to me.
r526 MrSmarter
He could be. Whoever is the coroner should probably check Archangel this night. Akira serves us no help (Akira was shot dead. He was Arsonist / Doctor / Hooker / Consig / Private Eye) seeing as there could be more than one doctor, a max of 3 private investigators, and the other possible roles are scum roles.
That way the next day we shall see whether we got screwed over or not. I hope not D:
//This on the other hand does not. "I hope not D:" Investigating Archangel is good for mafia as it wastes a coroner check and mafia want as many of them to appear dead as possible so town think they are weaker.
r564 Rumpel
Hi from Germany! Beer anyone?
Why does everybody think there is only 1 Blackmailer? We have 8 hidden mafia roles there will be x2 of some roles.
Also stop spamming please. We have already 29 pages and almost 75% of them are all a big fucking waste of time. Posting so much shit is scummy in itself.
Also early hammering anybody today will get a lot of people mod killed. Please stop voting anybody at this point.
Now think about this: If you have a blackmailer you want to level him as fast as possible.
How could you achieve that? With simple blackmail tasks who have to be done if somebody triggers it.
Like somebody goes out of invisible mod and is watching the thread. (fm philie) or somebody fakes a random vote as a trigger (fm Zack) Or a catch phrase (suicidaln00b)
1 Fucking post from me is 10 times more useful then the last 20 pages of shit.
//Runpel is CmG and has fooled me in the last 2 games when he was mafia so I am very wary of him. He knows so much about the blackmailer that he might have been discussing it in mafia chat. The only objective of that most was to be useful which is what he is trying to do. He is a hypocrite because he starts spamming / trolling on day 2.
r565 DR
That's all we need to know! I was right after all after reading answer #89. I give you my thanks, Oops.
Now, let's think logically:
If Claw is really Private Eye, then suicidaln00b is indeed either (Dark) Thief or Vigilante/Mafioso. Then, let's assume that suicidaln00b is Mafia. What he performs? He reveals himself as "Sheriff" an accuses HerrZynich from being Mafia. Is that normal for Mafia member to perform? If he is Mafia, then he should be busted by Jailor or killed at night by Vigilante sooner or later. I think town might even vote against him later this day.
Now let's assume that suicidaln00b is Vigilante or Town Thief. Then why he trolls his way out and claims himself as Sheriff? Is he a Thief who stole something from HerrZynich and that item belonged to Mafia? But there is nothing to steal from Wizard (assuming Herr really is the one). Why he would do something crazy as false roleclaim? Especially if he is one of those two town roles.
Then is suicidaln00b blackmailed? I'm sure he is not Jester as long as I'm sure that Claw is investigator. Blackmailed people have 4 days/nights to complete their task. But he does something unusual right away on Day 1 instead of waiting several days. Why? WHERE IS LOGIC?
Also, since I have to time to look up all those posts again, I would like to ask you: Who started that bandwagon on Claw? How many Mafia members around us joined that wagon?. Right now I'm sure that Claw is Private Eye. Unless someone claims otherwise or he flips Consigliere.
//Thinks Claw might be a PE? Sounds like a townie being an idiot to me.
r759 Ambient
I actually was thinking the same thing as Crimson, and for that reason i havn't voted yet.
Also Ganon my god bro, 71 posts 50% being about no confirmed wizard , 50% being about claw needing to be lynched nomatter what.
Grab a beer , you might actually relax and stop being offensive to everybody.
//Agrees with Crimson which is probably a good thing as I agree with both of them. We were of the minority viewpoint so good chance we are all town.
r792 Nick
Maybe I have no real info to give?
//stealth claims cit
I did actually find a post where Admiral claimed cit as well even if he was blatant about it.
r985 Goonswarm
Am I supposed to post on every page of the thread or something..? I can't be on this forum all the time. And I never said "oh my god" anything. I was just joking about his avatar because I didn't really have anything to add but I didn't want to end up either killed off or as a clue, depending on what my role might be. Who can even say?
//Seems like a cit trying to look like a PR.
r1020 Echonian
I volunteer to be Witched tonight to prove Herr's claim.
//Blatant cit claim or a PR / scum trying to look like someone who doesn't care about their night action.
r1030 Echonian
Just trying to be proactive. Better I get drugged than an important PR, eh? Either way, me being "witched" helps town more than someone else being "witched."
//Being even more blatant about being a cit. Its entirely possible he is a cit as citizens should be giving signs to the masons but not actually claiming citizen. He could also be saying he is a less important town PR or one that doesn't mind being witched like the mayor, jailor, doc or bg. Worth a look at recruitment.
Suicidal contacting Auckmid through invisible ink to tell him he has been manipulated. Auckmid says he noticed it before Echonian pointed it out so he has been on the lookout for invisible ink messages.
r1142 CptKirk
FINAL NOTES BEFORE INEVITABLE DAY END WITH CLAW LYNCH
1) a large amount of people voted claw IMMEDIATELY AFTER CLAW CLAIMED ML
2) an even LARGER GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING LYNCH CLAW CUS HES DUMB
3) all of you are complete idiots and COMPLETELY IGNORE the fact that CLAW COULD BE JESTER
4)if claw or suicidal noob or some other blackmailed dude completes his task ASAP, I WILL SEE THAT AS SCUM-PROOF
thats it.
i honestly cannot believe that 49 people could miss these super important poi nts.
i had the gut feeling that FMX day 1 was going to be terrible. i didnt know it was going to be this bad.
Meta game
in ~70% of previous FM games, a town power role will make an incredibly risky, WIFOMY,scummy move.
in ~70% of the anon games, there is a Lionel that will be lynched.(after some serious role claim change)
in all of the previous FM games, town has NEVER lynched a mafia role when the mafia large and chooses not to lynch said person. (in FM IX, Igor was lynched only after several mafia decidd to vote Igor)
just so you know.
-vote Elixer
-vote Luna
-vote False Truth
-vote Procyon
-vote Zack
i just have the (minor)scummy vibe from these people.
FoS here.
//Could be bussing but he had no real reason to draw attention to Elixir when Elixir wasn't under fire.
Ambient definitely gives off a neutral vibe and that would support his profile that is claiming survivor.
r520 kevinpowers
inb4claw dies of a fucking aneurysm
telling town you're smarter and better than all of them isn't the way to get yourself off the chopping block.
Vote Claw
if nothing else, because he's a douche and if he IS town will only do what's in his best interest to get MVP.
//very scummy line, doesn't care if he is town still wants him dead.
r694 kevinpowers
As I've said before, as far as Claw is concerned, I feel like he needs to be lynched either way.
1. He's not town. Plain and simple, his story doesn't add up. He's lying to try and further some non-town agenda.
2. If he IS town, it seems like he's only focused on himself getting MVP. This is a very dangerous situation for EVERYONE, because based on what I've seen from him so far, I don't think I would put it past him to put everyone in a dire situation so he could be the knight in shining armor riding up on his white horse to save the day.
I want the day saved, but I don't feel like town needs anyone with their priorities flipped around like that (if he is town, which I honestly don't believe either way)
Vote still Claw.
//He sounds like he knows Claw is mafia is just setting up for a defense once Claw flips town. Kevin is very scummy
r704 Kevin
Originally Posted by fm Narks
Ah, Doctor's are our Coroners. And Consig's don't appear to check the dead on the role card.
This could be legit...if he's the Godfather and knows he'll be dead soon...offering an alliance to neutrals allows them to respond in kind.
But then again, the neutrals themselves have to reveal in order to accept. Be wary of anyone claiming Arsonist.
It could also be a ploy to get any evil neutrals to reveal themselves.
Or he could just be trollin.
//That's a big red alert to Kevin being an evil neutral. Players can't help to mention their own role to make it look they aren't it he has been. However there is also evidence for him being mafia.
day 2 r165 Kevin
I played SC2 maf with you the other day. I think you were a dick. No sure, though.
Either way, as I read a lot of these posts, I can't help but feel the need to remind people that this is day 2 and not a ton of people have posted thus far.
I honestly feel like this is the part where we all get a feel for each other and begin establishing some long-term grudges/trusting opinions of people. Unless you see something that absolutely confirms someone one way or another in your mind, try to keep an open mind with reading every post.
Closed minded town are exactly what scum want. Don't let them force us to close our minds to new possibilities.
Also, Ganondorf seems scummy to me just because of him being so damned aggressive and voting in retaliation for votes on him (I'm referring to Narks in particular). To me, a good townie isn't so quick as to vote other people just for petty personal reasons. This isn't Ganondorf vs. the the world, it's town vs. mafia. Voting for people because "they voted for you" along with some bullshit you threw together to try and justify your vote isn't a productive town thing to do.
//Trying to make out he is a good townie because he does this. Tries to get town points with this post.
By r1164 Runpel's only posts have been about the blackmailer.
r1182 Rumpel
Also I think the mafia has to be rewarded for their awesome blackmailing skills.
//Its like he wants us to think he is the blackmailer he is so obsessed with it. I don't know what wifom CmG is trying to pull.
r1210 Ilidan
Claw is jester. His initial accusation and role claim was so full of holes that it couldn't have been a slip up. His blatant rejection of Oops's help is also proof of that. Seeing people unvoting him made him do a second roleclaim upon which he knew he'd get revoted. Then for the icing on the cake: claim citizen. Claw is jester, I warned you. Just remember that.
Oops trusts Claw and thinks its another one of his gambits. There is no gambit here oops, he wants to be lynched. Thats all there is to it.
This is Claw: "Oh I got the Jester role. Well fuck! Alright time to get lynched quickly. Easy since i'm Claw. Later i'l replace some poor modkilled sap and get back in the game."
Do note that this is what any jester would do in this game due to the "get back in the game later" rule Yayap made.
Its too late to undo the votes on Claw, infact anyone unvoting now after my explanation will be seen as mafia. Keep your votes or else, everyone falling for his jestering schemes made it mandatory to actually go through with this lynch. I haven't been online enough to prevent this from happening due to my job.
Lets just pray that those who die are more scum and less town.
I R HAS NOTES SCUMMIES! COME AT ME BRO!
//Keeps saying he has notes because taking notes is a very pro-town thing to do as scum don't need to as much. However he never gives these notes on actual scum, just a jester.
r1234 Blastyoboots
K real contriboot time.
Wizard can pick me to do witchy on, I have ability that can be target.
Also, there is person who can verify cuz I got pm that a lookout witnessed me visit target. This means since no claw say shit about this, there is private eye who can level up soon and who not revealed this yet. So if claw is private eye then there is at least one more private eyes.
You happys now? I hope the private eye who watch my target last night please watch me for killers, mabye that way helpful town visit me and we confirm some of them. If spree killer, real sad I will be.
So yea wizard make wizard on me and private eye can confirm multiple stuff that way. If they witness more than one person we have level 2 private eye tomorrow.
//Claims PR and says a lookout can verify this. Probably town. Could be doc or bg to target the same person as the lookout (who they thought would be killed) and doesn't mind being witched.
Day 2 Notes
r21 Fred
Man I let myself get wrapped up in the thought suicidal was the jester so much that I didn't figure the obvious fact that claw was a jester. Did anyone investigate suicidal last night? I want to get down to the bottom of what he is
//Talks about investigating again. Is probably trying to make it seem like he is not the private eye by asking if anyone investigated, which everyone tries to do to conceal their role.
r23 Illidan
Yayap was town, thats my guess. I know what he was doing.
Today's lynch should be one of these people: Lysergic, Auckmid, Kromos, Luna, FalseTruth or Plato.
This is not random. I am not trolling. I was right about Claw yesterday so it would be advisable to listen to me today. No more foolish claims please, unless you really think it to be necessary.
On scumminess level I am going to first point my finger at...
-vote Lysergic
Lysergic, you are guilty for pushing the lynch on Claw long before it was clear that he lied about his claim and findings. You also copped out of his lynch at some point for not much of a reason, then proceeded to vote him again after his Mason Leader claim. You are an intelligent player, yet you completely disregarded the possibility of Jester even though you KNEW he might be one. You wifomed about the rules being mafia favored. You responded angrily to Yayap's trap (yes I know what he was doing and you fell for it). You knew whats up, you knew Claw was not mafia, you GUESSED HE WAS JESTER LIKE I DID. Then you tried to switch the lynch on to oops_ur_dead who was only guilty of being a gullible fool. You are scum Lysergic, whoever you are. Claw said he was actually FalseTruth so thats not who you are, and if it is who you are then you have some explaining to do. Because FalseTruth would not overlook the possibility of jester. Claw was obvious jester, to an observant player that is.
//Could be bussing but he is suspicious of Auckmid, Lysergic and FalseTruth and with good reasons.
r35 Rumpel
Why is Sucidialn00b still around? He clearly is a jester now. Also Oops has to die at night if nobody checked him up.
I suspect he was blackmailed as well like random defending someone who gets accused from a claimed sherriff to waste day 1 for town.
//Brings up the blackmailer again.
r41 Vornskr
Illidan, you are on my "very possibly scum" list. Prove to me that you are not scum with your writings and I will take what you say at face value.
//Probably not on the same team as Illidan
r43 Zane
I thought Claw's play was too obviously Jester to actually be Jester.
I think the mafia's votes were probably dispersed.
So I'm assuming McPwnage and Vornskr are replacements. Please read the Day 1 thread thank you.
Now, I call on Herr. What did you last night, if you are infact the Green Wizard.
I suspect Herr and Admiral, as this is an easy ploy to pull off.
//Very suspicious that he would think that their votes were dispersed for no given reason. He could be saying that if all the mafia votes were on Claw (good chance) to draw attention away from that fact. Goes straight to Herr even though a wizard isn't a priority.
r56 Deathfire123
Your wish is my command, Godfat- I mean, sir.
-vote Lysergic
//In the light of someone claiming to be the traitor accusing Illidan of being the godfather :O
r51 Rumpel
WRONG! Vote Dimwit as the possible Consig because he was the only one who had a picture day0 and day 1 already.
-vote Dimwit
//Thought the RP meant there was a lurking consig like I did at first. Can be faked but it seems like he isn't mafia.
r58 Auckmid
Why does anyone think there is a consig? Did anyone read the rp?
To those saying there is a consig, get off that train, that is just scummy.
Illidan why should we trust you at all? Because you decided not to vote Claw? apparently 31 other people ended up not voting claw too...does that mean all 31 of those people are trustworthy?
//Auckmid on the other hand calls people who thought there was a consig scummy. "Get off that train" Possibly defending Dimwit?
Some heavy Lysergic defending by Falsetruth. He made a big deal on day 1 about being sure Herr was an evil wizard with bad reasons, perhaps to draw attention away from the mafia. If Plato is the sheriff and got an innocent read on False night 1, I have a feeling False was hidden by the framer because of his name. Unlikely but just a feeling I have.
I really don't get Rumpel. He is constantly talking about what the mafia and in particular the blackmailer(s) might be doing. I don't know what he benefits from looking like the blackmailer so maybe he doesn't realise he's doing it or this could be some crazy wifom. I can never read CmG so it could be anything.
Capitalier could be the sheriff or a cit who made a gambit, which could be why he gave detailed analysis on why Narks was scummy to go along with his claim. These were some of the reasons I though Narks was scum as well.
On pg11 of Day 2 atm
Mafia
01- GodFather - Illidan?
02- Dark Thief - Archangel
03- Hidden Mafia - Elixir
04- Hidden Mafia - Lysergic - Hooker?
05- Hidden Mafia - Auckmid
06- Hidden Mafia - MrSmarter
07- Hidden Mafia -
08- Hidden Mafia -
09- Hidden Mafia -
10- Hidden Mafia -
*Hidden mafia roles can be: Hooker, Framer, BlackMailer or Mafioso
Neutrals
11- Arsonist - Yayap
12- Hidden (Jester) - Claw
13- Hidden - Wizard - HerrZynisch
14- Hidden - Arsonist - Ganondorf
15- Hidden - Survivor? - Ambient?
16- Hidden -
*Hidden neutral roles can be: Serial Killer, Arsonist, Spree Killer, Jester, Student, Survivor, Amnesiac or Wizard.*
Town
17- Mayor (cannot be hidden role)
18- Jailor (cannot be hidden role)
19- Sheriff - Plato?
20- Hidden - Doctor - Akira
21- Hidden - Bodyguard - MikeVipe
22- Hidden - Veteran - Monster
23- Hidden - Independent Hooker - Oops_ur_dead
24- Hidden - Mason Leader - Luna
25- Hidden - Private Eye - Kromos
26- Hidden - Private Eye - Lysergic?
27- Hidden - Private Eye - fred?
28- Hidden - Doctor - BlastYoBoots?
29- Hidden - Sheriff - Capitalier?
30- Hidden -
31- Hidden
32- Hidden
33- Hidden
34- Hidden
35- Hidden
36- Hidden
37- Hidden
38- Hidden
39- Hidden
40- Cit - Zack
41- Cit - Narks
42- Cit - Admiral (Sumikoko)?
43- Cit - Muso?
44- Cit - Nick?
45- Cit - Echonian?
46- Cit - Goonswarm?
47- Cit - Capitalier?
48- Cit
49- Cit
50- Cit
*Hidden town roles can be: Sheriff (max of 3), Private Eye (max of 3), Spy (max of 2), Doctor, Blacksmith, Bodyguard, Veteran (max of 2), Vigilante, Independent Hooker, Bus Driver, Mason Leader (max of 1), Mason, Town Thief (max of 2) or Citizen.*
Random Any
1- Hidden - Neutral Amnesiac? - McPwnage
2- Hidden
3- Hidden
4- Hidden
5- Hidden
6- Hidden
7- Hidden
8- Hidden
Player List:
Admiral (Sumikoko) - Cit?
Akira - Doctor
Ambient - Survivor or town PR? Other Neutral?
Archangel - Dark Thief
BlastYoBoots - Town PR? Doctor?
Capitalier - Sheriff?
Claw - (Claw) Jester
CptKirk
Crimson - Town?
Dark.Revenant - Town?
Deathfire123 -
Dimwit - Modkilled?
Echonian - Cit?
Elixir - (Dimwit) Mafioso
FalseTruth (TheWaaagh) - Mafia or cleared by sheriff?
Fred - Private Eye?
Ganondorf - Arsonist?
Goonswarm - Cit?
Goremancer - PR
Guardian - Modkilled
HerrZynisch - Red Wizard?
Kevinpowers - Very scummy
Kromos - Private Eye
Landstander
Luna - Mason Leader
Lysergic - Private Eye?
McPwnage (Claw) - Modkilled - Neutral Amnesiac?
MikeVipe - Bodyguard
Miles - No idea, neutral?
Monster - Veteran
MrSmarter - Mafia?
Muso - Cit?
Narks (Escaho) - Cit / Mason
Nick (DramaLlama) - Cit?
NorthStar - Modkilled
Oops_ur_dead (Muso) - Independent Hooker
Philie - Town?
Plato (Capitalier?) - Sheriff?
Procyon
Rumpel (CmG) - Blackmailer?
Suicidaln00b - Scummy
Sumikoko - Modkilled
TheJackofSpades
TheWaaagh
Vornskr - Modkilled
Yayap - Arsonist
Zack (Kromos) - Cit / Mason
Zane
Graveyard:
(colored roles have already been checked by coroners)
Raiden - Cult Leader - Burned day 0
Akira - Doctor - Shot night 1
Archangel - Dark Thief - Shot night 1
Claw - Jester - Lynched day 1
Yayap - Arsonist - Suicide night 2
MikeVipe - Bodyguard - Suicide night 2
Monster - Veteran - Suicide night 2
Elixir - Mafioso - Lynched day 2
Lysergic - G Wizard / Amnesiac / Hooker / Private Eye - Shot night 3
Kromos - Private Eye? - Incinerated day 3
Suicidaln00b - Mafia? - Incinerated day 3
Capitalier - Sheriff? - Incinerated day 3
??? - Incinerated day 3
None of these roles are confirmed because no coroners have checked them but we don't have much else to go on unless we want to completely disregard the newspaper messages and just guess their roles.
Town
Narks
Luna
Zack
Oops_ur_dead
Kromos
Probably Town
Crimson
Fred
Admiral
Muso
Echonian
Phillie
Dark.Revenant
Goonswarm
BlastYoBoots
CptKirk
Vornskr
Plato
Scummy
MrSmarter
Auckmid
Ganondorf
Kevinpowers
Zane
Suicidaln00b
A bit iffy
FalseTruth
Deathfire123
Procyon
Illidan
Citizens?
Admiral
Nick
Goonswarm
Muso
Echonian
Note that the reads for citizens and mafia are similar. I mainly go off mafia reads so neutrals can be put into the town pile.
Day 1 Notes
r11 Deathfire123
Mafia should be our priority, afterwards is cult and any threatening neutrals. I'm positive there's a cult somewhere.
//Makes sure that people know he is anti-mafia first and foremost.
r15 HerrZynisch
inb4 Luna is Luna Lovegood the wizard
inb4 fred is Fred Weasley
// Speculation about wizards so people don't know he is one?
r45 Zane
If the coroner gets culted... D:
// Trying to get town points?
r68 Deathfire123
What is the KPN of Mafia?
//Another person claiming not to know the KPN. This is a classic mafia post as the mafia would know the KPN and he could be throwing it in for extra town points.
r72 Suicidaln00b
Ok ok. In all honesty it might be too early to say this, but I'm sheriff. HerrZynisch is confirmed mafia. Trolling is a defense used to keep mafia away from me. Especially if i just spam nonsense, then I am not a threat to them.
I hope your happy with this decision. And I don't die N2 -.-
//Says Herr is confirmed mafia to try to give his claim more validity. Ignores the possibility of a framer or bus driver and doesn't even try to make it look like he has been forced to do this. He wants to spread confusion.
r72 Suicidaln00b
Ok ok. In all honesty it might be too early to say this, but I'm sheriff. HerrZynisch is confirmed mafia. Trolling is a defense used to keep mafia away from me. Especially if i just spam nonsense, then I am not a threat to them.
I hope your happy with this decision. And I don't die N2 -.-
//I don't believe he was blackmailed or told by the arsonist to say that. He would be an idiot to do what the arsonist says as he would be burned anyway. He also tries to make his claim more believable by saying he was just trolling to keep mafia away. Why make your claim more believable when you are being forced to claim and don't want people to believe you? He is probably scum or a citizen trying to get killed.
r76 Deathfire123
-Vote HerrZynisch
We shouldn't random lynch, but since Suicidal made his first move I say we should hear HerrZynisch's defense.
//First to jump on the Herr bandwagon. Makes sure to look pro-town by saying we shouldn't random lynch and saying that is strange as Herr wouldn't be a random lynch after being called out by the sheriff.
r79 Suicidaln00b
I have 48 hours to make posts, why not have a little fun before then. Plus I didn't want to reveal any info yet, I usually wait a bit to double check any errors. And I didn't want to draw mafia attention to myself.
I'm new to FM so I just do what i do in the sc2 mafia.
//Again he tries to look more like the sheriff even though he should be doing the opposite if he had been forced to claim. This guy is not pro-town at all.
r80 HerrZynisch
I don't know what suicidaln00b's game is (I thought we were friends!)
My defense is obviously that I'm not mafia. I wouldn't put much faith in a player who claims sheriff within an
hour of the day starting and just a couple of votes on him.
//A very scummy defense that attacks his accuser. I wouldn't be surprised if he is the red wizard.
r89 Herr
I know he's lying, but that's not the point is it Zack?
Now Claw's claim is an interesting turn of events.
This whole business about not knowing exact roles in the graveyard means we have to take extra care with our lynches.
I'm slightly miffed that we have to lynch today, because today would be the best day to no lynch and let the jailor talk to someone.
//lol he knows he's lying but that's not the point as he will still get lynched as the red wizard?
r104 Herr
I think he means Zack.
(who changed his avatar to Snape and has been obsessing about wizards - though a green wizard would be awesome)
//Another post about wizards. I am unsure whether to take this as a green wizard tell or red wizard tell. Maybe red if Herr is an inexperienced player. I also think a new player would like to go red because its cool.
r106 Echonian
Err... when did Zack do that? So far, Claw and Suicidal are the only claims (and thus the only accusations).
//I like this post and get a town read from it.
r111 fred
Personally I don't believe either the sheriff claim or the private eye claim. I think given the total crapshoot that investigating is the private eyes would probably be using detective powers or possibly lookout powers instead of the unreliable investigations.
//This post almost seems like fred is a private eye that is distrustful of other private eye claims (there is a limit) and thinks they would have used lookout or detective powers which maybe he did?
r127 Suicidaln00b
Just to recapp, Just to recap, I claimed SHERIFF and ACCUSED fm HerrZynish.
Ok, that is all.
r128 Suicidaln00b
and Voted for him.
//Now he starts going with the blackmailed / doused angle. Possibly after Claw said he checked him but Claw must have got Suicidal's role right if that was true. Claw's results were Thief / Dark Thief / Vigilante / Mafioso so he could be one of them, dark thief is impossible. I still have no idea why he didn't make it more obvious before instead of actively trying to convince us he was the sheriff. Still don't think he did this because doused.
r108 Herr
I'm not role-claiming 80 minutes into the first day of a 50 player fm based on the current situation
r130 Herr
I am not averse to a role-claim because I believe I can prove my role to someone if necessary. I am more concerned about being lynched and having my role be unspecified in the graveyard (meaning suicidaln00b can't be proved wrong).
Since the number of votes even counts if we don't get a hammer, I guess I'm voting for him until I hear back from more people, and I hear more from suicidaln00b about Claw's accusation.
-vote fm suicidaln00b
Current Tally:
HerrZynisch (4): SuicidalN00b, Deathfire123, FalseTruth, Zane
SuicidalN00b (3): Zack, MikeVipe, HerrZynisch
//First says he won't claim his role then changes his mind very quickly for a pro-town reason.
r154 Capitalier
Does anyone else find it endearing that Akira and Archangel were roommates. That they both died? A lovers quarrel perhaps.
*slurp*
The mud has already begun to be slung. We have had two claim 'Town Power Roles' against each other? Well, they have only narrowed down their options to 1/4 if.. they are even what they claim to be.
Also consider. The Blackmailed will certainly be used to cause confusion.
//His distrust of the claims seems to point towards him being the sheriff.
r174 Capitalier
Every scummy action that anyone performs is going to be considered.. but.. What if he is blackmailed..
*Meow*
We need to keep track of who is acting scummy/when and track it over time to determine what is what.
//I don't like this post. Gives off a mafia who knows too much and can use that information to be helpful vibe.
r178 Muso
Ok, so we have:
HerrZynisch- Claims Green Wizard, Admirad to McPwnage
Claw- Claims Private Eye, says found Scuicidalnoob as a thief/dark thief/vigi/mafiso
Scuicidalnoob- Claims Sherriff, accuses HerrZynisch.
If any of this is wrong please say so. I only quickly read thought it.
//Muso seems like a bored cit (low post count + some attempt at helping even though he is bored). Almost all his posts are about trying to read and how there are too many posts + people which is how I was feeling as my only job is to scum hunt which I can't do with so many posts. PRs wouldn't care as much as they can find things through their night actions. Could be a lurking mafia who is trying to lay low.
r298 Muso
More useless rolrclaiming. I saw no reason for a mason to just come out like that and claim. ATLEAST he should have let Claw claim first, but right now it looks like more mafia saving mafia. Or jester, jester is also rather likey.
//Another post that makes him look like a cit. He has barely posted anything but feels the need to speak out about the mason claim because he thinks they are stupid for claiming or lying.
r201 FalseTruth
If your intentions were to point out the bullshit in Suicide's claim, maybe you should've focused your energy on your own first. You have no one to blame but yourself if you get lynched and you had a shit investigator claim.
//Very scummy. He is saying "I don't care if you're town, it's your own fault if you get lynched".
r203 Nick
I like sports... And besides the teams were baseball teams haha.
Originally Posted by fm HerrZynisch
I didn't reveal the new target, it would have been informative to see what McPwnage claimed (and if I'd manipulated a scum role, the scum couldn't be sure who they'd targeted).
I figured that I could just tell Admiral who he was witched to if he turned out to be a Sheriff or someone that needed to know.
So get admiral to confirm/deny being witched.
I know its only been like 3 hours but a lot of people are either lurking or afk. Makes me want to become a serial killer IRL and stab them in the balls and/or threaten them to post more often or I'll rape their wives/daughters/mothers.
I signed up for FMx because of anti-lurk/afk rules. Comon people!
//Almost every post he makes is scummy. He trolls and only helps with the vote tally. Scum like to draw attention away from themselves by attacker lurkers as town won't have a problem lynching lurkers and it only decreases ton numbers.
r318 Auckmid
Wow... this was on like...page 4 or somethign when i left to have dinner with a home baked cookies and pineapple for dessert! Cookies are great, reading a bazillion posts is not. (Pineapple also = awesome)
It really looks like Claw effed up. Lies and odd claims abound. If we have to lynch someone (which we do), it seems best to lynch Claw, not because he may or may not be REAL claw, but because he's fucked up the most already. Even if he IS town, throwing in false claims and false info into the mix could really screw us. I'd prefer to eliminate someone we will NEVER know if we can trust ever, than leave him in.
I'm terrible at tallys but I am adding my vote in here:
-vote claw
//Another lynch him even if he is town voter. This post is very scummy in a lot of ways: "if we have to lynch someon, Claw is the best choice" and "looks like Claw really effed up" just seems like a mafia who wants to lynch someone who he knows is not mafia.
r326 fred
Btw what was the fifth result? One of the main reasons I don't believe your claim is because you gave four possible results when there are supposed to be five.
//His two posts so far have only been about the Private Eye and the way it works. Getting a strong PE read from him.
r337 Nick
All I wanted to say is
YOU CAN MULTIVOTE.
Be sure to -unvote if you change your m
Lul comic sans
//Nick is trolling so hard that I'm willing to believe that he is an important PR like the jailor or mayor trying to be ignored.
r 341 Auckmid
Yeah but oops your posts have so far been less than helpful. The difference is the lying sheriff can be jailed and made a claim then shutup after that, not trying to push it.
The lying investigator made a claim, that was proven to be completely fabricated after the fact, and keeps pushing for it and throwing in chaos with it.
Now, I'm not saying suicidal is innocent, not by any means. In fact I personally think he needs to be detained, or otherwise investigated to see what he truly is. Claw at this point, is more harmful to the town. Too chaotic, dangerous, bothersome.
//Another very scummy post with bad suggestions for town.
r362 Auckmid
Originally Posted by fm CptKirk
Conclusion:
Claw is a citizen/mason/recruited mason/mason Leader
Claw was blackmailed to
1)Claim Private Eye
and
2) Give only 4 results
Claw cant be a jester because that would require Oops to do some SERIOUS WIFOM.
suicidal is playing the part of blackmailed.
Oops is Mason Leader/Mason/Recruited citizen/Blackmailed
my only conclusion is that the mafia probably has 2 blackmailers.
Blackmailer wouldn't know to blackmail that specifically for an invest. The key to remember is that we learned how the investigations worked AFTER the investigator claim. If I were blackmailer, I would not specify a certain number of roles like that in case it became obvious that the claim was false and therefore a blackmail. I suppose it is possible that it's just lucky and worked out that way, but I don't think so. The claim looked pretty legit, and if FM Claw was really blackmailed I don't see why he'd fight THIS hard to keep up the charade. It doesn't make sense, and your defense of it, makes you look scummy.
Originally Posted by oops
I don't know where to start with this post, so I'll simply address your last line.
I agree with Auckmid.
We should all line up as town clones and all act in a pre-agreed manner.
Doctors heal all sheriff claims.
Sheriffs out yourselves as soon as you have a result.
Blacksmiths give all your shit to the sheriffs.
Vigilantes/ Jailor you must wait to be addressed by the Town before making any kind of decision by yourself.
I think we can all agree this is the best course of action, and the least chaotic and bothersome way to play Town.
Good luck!
Is that what I said? Wow, I'm sure glad you're here to completely miss the fucking point.
The point is, even if claw IS town, which I highly doubt, going about his actions like that is only going to harm things, cause votes to split, and give the mafia more room to influence things.
While I personally believe suicidaln00b should be investigated or detained, I of course leave
//I cannot believe that Auckmid is town. He is unbeleivably scummy like Fyodor was last game.
r364 Yayap
Originally Posted by fm Zane
Mafia are Oops, CptKirk, Yapyap, Deathfire123, Plato, and MrSmarter.
That is all.
You have ALL that from DAY 1, BRAVO! Best. Mafia. Player. Ever.
PLUS Zane, you must be so smart you forgot to add Claw. You know, CLAW, the guy you voted for already.
But... he's not on your Mafialist.... hmmm
Second thought
-Vote Zane
//Yayap was right in this post. Zane did nout put Claw in his list of mafia when he had voted for him.
r426 Procyon
I have a lot of reading to do. Responding to random things as I go through:
Originally Posted by fm Narks
However, why in the world would you decide not to reveal this information in your FIRST POST of the day? Even more: why wouldn't you at least post it after your "confirmed mafia" target also posted on Page 1 with absolute nonsensical spam as well.
It is not unreasonable to wait and see if other people have anything to contribute first. Hell, someone might have a lead on the same guy you do and you can stay hidden a bit longer.
//I like this post, town vibe.
r443 MrSmarter
I find it funny that Ganondorf is pointing a finger at me on grounds that:
Originally Posted by fm Ganondorf
MrSmarter is a scumbag first class. Says he doesnt believe Suicidaln00b is a sheriff using Claws bullshit investigator finds as motive and that he should answer Zack about the PM he got. Then he continues to fucking vote HerrZynisch up anyway and tries to push for a roleclaim. Wheres the logic? THERE IS NO FUCKING LOGIC. Except maybe that he knows our friendly neigborhood n00b got blackmailed and he wants to benefit from his induced sheriff claim. This bastard is mafia with Claw or a retard. I think he's both.
Vote MrSmarter
I answer Zack about what PM? Zack never asked me for my PM.
Continue to vote up Herr? I pulled my vote out pages ago you fool.
//Very defensive at being accused of things that he felt were unwarranted, which mafia hate.
r487 Elixir
The most important thing I see today is that are best lynch targets are Claw and Suicidal. Claw is my favorite target of the two because he put a lot of effort in to a shitty counterclaim. Suicidal seems to be doing a lot more trolling than anything, which is either being blackmailed or a jester or he's failing at some heavy gambit as a cit or mob.
The thing about Claw is that he came to the defense of someone claiming to be a town wizard. A defense that was a really shitty lie. This heavily implies that Claw is and Herr share some form of connection with each other. Are we seeing a classic vote-split? I know it's not as doable in this setup but it's such an easy tactic to buy even one more day.
So really, would you rather lynch a confirmed liar or someone who is likely blackmailed/jester? I would prefer to lynch a simple liar.
-Vote Claw
I might vote some others later, but I'm not to that point yet in my understanding of this overactive day 1.
Did I miss anything?
//There seems to be a connection between Elixir and Suicidal. He says Suicidal would be a good lynch but then writes off Suicidal's claim as trolling and leaves the mafia possibility right in at the end to make it less noticable?
r495 Elixir
You remind me of Matvei from fm9. He did the same thing but got his own healer killed and you make many more useless posts.
//Again tries to make Suicidal look like a troll instead of scum by comparing him to a cit who lynched the doc last game. Either because he is defending a fellow mafia or because he knows suicidal isn't mafia.
r506 Elixir
You didn't prove anything. you proved yourself to be a liar... well, other people did anyway. You were caught red handed, why should we believe anything you say? im not saying that suicidal is telling the truth, he comes off as a liar as well, but it came off more impulsive, while yours was planned out, even if it was incorrectly planned.
There is more evidence to base a lynch on you currently than Suicidal. Is it 100%? no. But it's higher than Suicidal. I'll vote for suicidal once I don't believe he is a really obvious jester, a really shitty cit or being blackmailed.
//He is obsessed with suicidal and mentioned him so many times in that post. He keeps defending him by saying he is a jester or cit and tries to push the lynch towards Claw instead.
r514 Elixir
Someone should really shoot you tonight, because it's unlikely that youre sheriff. That way we can be sure to save a Jester from lynch. If it wasn't for you're useless posts, I'd more likely believe that you are blackmailed.
Can a Blackmailer force someone to post pointless videos as part of the blackmail demands?
//Maybe bussing, but it does give less credence to suicidal being mafia.
r523 Auckmid
haha no not really, but i did have pineapple. it was great.
I just want to say that little new info has been contributed, I tried taking a fresh look at the situation. I am starting to doubt suicidaln00b is blackmailed, perhaps he's sheriff, or jester, or something else I don't know yet. The reasoning behind this, is if one were blackmailed, simply answering no to the direct question of being blackmailed is kind of stupid, someone blackmailed would dance around that question (or I suppose someone pretending to be blackmailed).
Claw, I wanted to analyze your supposed PM from the GM. You have yet to repost it (or I missed it, in that case my bad). I'd like to see it copied and pasted from your inbox so we can analyze and see if there is any chance a 5th role was included in cryptic rp-ness.
I'll check back later and respond if something useful has come up, I have things to do right now.
ALSO FM DR's idea is good. Jailor can just detain him, and if suicidal is not jailed tomorrow (day 2) then he's confirmed sheriff.
//Says exactly the same as Elixir about Suicidal.
r525 DR
There is a problem: What if Archangel was the Jailor? Is that possible?
//Doesn't know that archangel was mafia. Could be pretending but it looks believable to me.
r526 MrSmarter
He could be. Whoever is the coroner should probably check Archangel this night. Akira serves us no help (Akira was shot dead. He was Arsonist / Doctor / Hooker / Consig / Private Eye) seeing as there could be more than one doctor, a max of 3 private investigators, and the other possible roles are scum roles.
That way the next day we shall see whether we got screwed over or not. I hope not D:
//This on the other hand does not. "I hope not D:" Investigating Archangel is good for mafia as it wastes a coroner check and mafia want as many of them to appear dead as possible so town think they are weaker.
r564 Rumpel
Hi from Germany! Beer anyone?
Why does everybody think there is only 1 Blackmailer? We have 8 hidden mafia roles there will be x2 of some roles.
Also stop spamming please. We have already 29 pages and almost 75% of them are all a big fucking waste of time. Posting so much shit is scummy in itself.
Also early hammering anybody today will get a lot of people mod killed. Please stop voting anybody at this point.
Now think about this: If you have a blackmailer you want to level him as fast as possible.
How could you achieve that? With simple blackmail tasks who have to be done if somebody triggers it.
Like somebody goes out of invisible mod and is watching the thread. (fm philie) or somebody fakes a random vote as a trigger (fm Zack) Or a catch phrase (suicidaln00b)
1 Fucking post from me is 10 times more useful then the last 20 pages of shit.
//Runpel is CmG and has fooled me in the last 2 games when he was mafia so I am very wary of him. He knows so much about the blackmailer that he might have been discussing it in mafia chat. The only objective of that most was to be useful which is what he is trying to do. He is a hypocrite because he starts spamming / trolling on day 2.
r565 DR
That's all we need to know! I was right after all after reading answer #89. I give you my thanks, Oops.
Now, let's think logically:
If Claw is really Private Eye, then suicidaln00b is indeed either (Dark) Thief or Vigilante/Mafioso. Then, let's assume that suicidaln00b is Mafia. What he performs? He reveals himself as "Sheriff" an accuses HerrZynich from being Mafia. Is that normal for Mafia member to perform? If he is Mafia, then he should be busted by Jailor or killed at night by Vigilante sooner or later. I think town might even vote against him later this day.
Now let's assume that suicidaln00b is Vigilante or Town Thief. Then why he trolls his way out and claims himself as Sheriff? Is he a Thief who stole something from HerrZynich and that item belonged to Mafia? But there is nothing to steal from Wizard (assuming Herr really is the one). Why he would do something crazy as false roleclaim? Especially if he is one of those two town roles.
Then is suicidaln00b blackmailed? I'm sure he is not Jester as long as I'm sure that Claw is investigator. Blackmailed people have 4 days/nights to complete their task. But he does something unusual right away on Day 1 instead of waiting several days. Why? WHERE IS LOGIC?
Also, since I have to time to look up all those posts again, I would like to ask you: Who started that bandwagon on Claw? How many Mafia members around us joined that wagon?. Right now I'm sure that Claw is Private Eye. Unless someone claims otherwise or he flips Consigliere.
//Thinks Claw might be a PE? Sounds like a townie being an idiot to me.
r759 Ambient
I actually was thinking the same thing as Crimson, and for that reason i havn't voted yet.
Also Ganon my god bro, 71 posts 50% being about no confirmed wizard , 50% being about claw needing to be lynched nomatter what.
Grab a beer , you might actually relax and stop being offensive to everybody.
//Agrees with Crimson which is probably a good thing as I agree with both of them. We were of the minority viewpoint so good chance we are all town.
r792 Nick
Maybe I have no real info to give?
//stealth claims cit
I did actually find a post where Admiral claimed cit as well even if he was blatant about it.
r985 Goonswarm
Am I supposed to post on every page of the thread or something..? I can't be on this forum all the time. And I never said "oh my god" anything. I was just joking about his avatar because I didn't really have anything to add but I didn't want to end up either killed off or as a clue, depending on what my role might be. Who can even say?
//Seems like a cit trying to look like a PR.
r1020 Echonian
I volunteer to be Witched tonight to prove Herr's claim.
//Blatant cit claim or a PR / scum trying to look like someone who doesn't care about their night action.
r1030 Echonian
Just trying to be proactive. Better I get drugged than an important PR, eh? Either way, me being "witched" helps town more than someone else being "witched."
//Being even more blatant about being a cit. Its entirely possible he is a cit as citizens should be giving signs to the masons but not actually claiming citizen. He could also be saying he is a less important town PR or one that doesn't mind being witched like the mayor, jailor, doc or bg. Worth a look at recruitment.
Suicidal contacting Auckmid through invisible ink to tell him he has been manipulated. Auckmid says he noticed it before Echonian pointed it out so he has been on the lookout for invisible ink messages.
r1142 CptKirk
FINAL NOTES BEFORE INEVITABLE DAY END WITH CLAW LYNCH
1) a large amount of people voted claw IMMEDIATELY AFTER CLAW CLAIMED ML
2) an even LARGER GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING LYNCH CLAW CUS HES DUMB
3) all of you are complete idiots and COMPLETELY IGNORE the fact that CLAW COULD BE JESTER
4)if claw or suicidal noob or some other blackmailed dude completes his task ASAP, I WILL SEE THAT AS SCUM-PROOF
thats it.
i honestly cannot believe that 49 people could miss these super important poi nts.
i had the gut feeling that FMX day 1 was going to be terrible. i didnt know it was going to be this bad.
Meta game
in ~70% of previous FM games, a town power role will make an incredibly risky, WIFOMY,scummy move.
in ~70% of the anon games, there is a Lionel that will be lynched.(after some serious role claim change)
in all of the previous FM games, town has NEVER lynched a mafia role when the mafia large and chooses not to lynch said person. (in FM IX, Igor was lynched only after several mafia decidd to vote Igor)
just so you know.
-vote Elixer
-vote Luna
-vote False Truth
-vote Procyon
-vote Zack
i just have the (minor)scummy vibe from these people.
FoS here.
//Could be bussing but he had no real reason to draw attention to Elixir when Elixir wasn't under fire.
Ambient definitely gives off a neutral vibe and that would support his profile that is claiming survivor.
r520 kevinpowers
inb4claw dies of a fucking aneurysm
telling town you're smarter and better than all of them isn't the way to get yourself off the chopping block.
Vote Claw
if nothing else, because he's a douche and if he IS town will only do what's in his best interest to get MVP.
//very scummy line, doesn't care if he is town still wants him dead.
r694 kevinpowers
As I've said before, as far as Claw is concerned, I feel like he needs to be lynched either way.
1. He's not town. Plain and simple, his story doesn't add up. He's lying to try and further some non-town agenda.
2. If he IS town, it seems like he's only focused on himself getting MVP. This is a very dangerous situation for EVERYONE, because based on what I've seen from him so far, I don't think I would put it past him to put everyone in a dire situation so he could be the knight in shining armor riding up on his white horse to save the day.
I want the day saved, but I don't feel like town needs anyone with their priorities flipped around like that (if he is town, which I honestly don't believe either way)
Vote still Claw.
//He sounds like he knows Claw is mafia is just setting up for a defense once Claw flips town. Kevin is very scummy
r704 Kevin
Originally Posted by fm Narks
Ah, Doctor's are our Coroners. And Consig's don't appear to check the dead on the role card.
This could be legit...if he's the Godfather and knows he'll be dead soon...offering an alliance to neutrals allows them to respond in kind.
But then again, the neutrals themselves have to reveal in order to accept. Be wary of anyone claiming Arsonist.
It could also be a ploy to get any evil neutrals to reveal themselves.
Or he could just be trollin.
//That's a big red alert to Kevin being an evil neutral. Players can't help to mention their own role to make it look they aren't it he has been. However there is also evidence for him being mafia.
day 2 r165 Kevin
I played SC2 maf with you the other day. I think you were a dick. No sure, though.
Either way, as I read a lot of these posts, I can't help but feel the need to remind people that this is day 2 and not a ton of people have posted thus far.
I honestly feel like this is the part where we all get a feel for each other and begin establishing some long-term grudges/trusting opinions of people. Unless you see something that absolutely confirms someone one way or another in your mind, try to keep an open mind with reading every post.
Closed minded town are exactly what scum want. Don't let them force us to close our minds to new possibilities.
Also, Ganondorf seems scummy to me just because of him being so damned aggressive and voting in retaliation for votes on him (I'm referring to Narks in particular). To me, a good townie isn't so quick as to vote other people just for petty personal reasons. This isn't Ganondorf vs. the the world, it's town vs. mafia. Voting for people because "they voted for you" along with some bullshit you threw together to try and justify your vote isn't a productive town thing to do.
//Trying to make out he is a good townie because he does this. Tries to get town points with this post.
By r1164 Runpel's only posts have been about the blackmailer.
r1182 Rumpel
Also I think the mafia has to be rewarded for their awesome blackmailing skills.
//Its like he wants us to think he is the blackmailer he is so obsessed with it. I don't know what wifom CmG is trying to pull.
r1210 Ilidan
Claw is jester. His initial accusation and role claim was so full of holes that it couldn't have been a slip up. His blatant rejection of Oops's help is also proof of that. Seeing people unvoting him made him do a second roleclaim upon which he knew he'd get revoted. Then for the icing on the cake: claim citizen. Claw is jester, I warned you. Just remember that.
Oops trusts Claw and thinks its another one of his gambits. There is no gambit here oops, he wants to be lynched. Thats all there is to it.
This is Claw: "Oh I got the Jester role. Well fuck! Alright time to get lynched quickly. Easy since i'm Claw. Later i'l replace some poor modkilled sap and get back in the game."
Do note that this is what any jester would do in this game due to the "get back in the game later" rule Yayap made.
Its too late to undo the votes on Claw, infact anyone unvoting now after my explanation will be seen as mafia. Keep your votes or else, everyone falling for his jestering schemes made it mandatory to actually go through with this lynch. I haven't been online enough to prevent this from happening due to my job.
Lets just pray that those who die are more scum and less town.
I R HAS NOTES SCUMMIES! COME AT ME BRO!
//Keeps saying he has notes because taking notes is a very pro-town thing to do as scum don't need to as much. However he never gives these notes on actual scum, just a jester.
r1234 Blastyoboots
K real contriboot time.
Wizard can pick me to do witchy on, I have ability that can be target.
Also, there is person who can verify cuz I got pm that a lookout witnessed me visit target. This means since no claw say shit about this, there is private eye who can level up soon and who not revealed this yet. So if claw is private eye then there is at least one more private eyes.
You happys now? I hope the private eye who watch my target last night please watch me for killers, mabye that way helpful town visit me and we confirm some of them. If spree killer, real sad I will be.
So yea wizard make wizard on me and private eye can confirm multiple stuff that way. If they witness more than one person we have level 2 private eye tomorrow.
//Claims PR and says a lookout can verify this. Probably town. Could be doc or bg to target the same person as the lookout (who they thought would be killed) and doesn't mind being witched.
Day 2 Notes
r21 Fred
Man I let myself get wrapped up in the thought suicidal was the jester so much that I didn't figure the obvious fact that claw was a jester. Did anyone investigate suicidal last night? I want to get down to the bottom of what he is
//Talks about investigating again. Is probably trying to make it seem like he is not the private eye by asking if anyone investigated, which everyone tries to do to conceal their role.
r23 Illidan
Yayap was town, thats my guess. I know what he was doing.
Today's lynch should be one of these people: Lysergic, Auckmid, Kromos, Luna, FalseTruth or Plato.
This is not random. I am not trolling. I was right about Claw yesterday so it would be advisable to listen to me today. No more foolish claims please, unless you really think it to be necessary.
On scumminess level I am going to first point my finger at...
-vote Lysergic
Lysergic, you are guilty for pushing the lynch on Claw long before it was clear that he lied about his claim and findings. You also copped out of his lynch at some point for not much of a reason, then proceeded to vote him again after his Mason Leader claim. You are an intelligent player, yet you completely disregarded the possibility of Jester even though you KNEW he might be one. You wifomed about the rules being mafia favored. You responded angrily to Yayap's trap (yes I know what he was doing and you fell for it). You knew whats up, you knew Claw was not mafia, you GUESSED HE WAS JESTER LIKE I DID. Then you tried to switch the lynch on to oops_ur_dead who was only guilty of being a gullible fool. You are scum Lysergic, whoever you are. Claw said he was actually FalseTruth so thats not who you are, and if it is who you are then you have some explaining to do. Because FalseTruth would not overlook the possibility of jester. Claw was obvious jester, to an observant player that is.
//Could be bussing but he is suspicious of Auckmid, Lysergic and FalseTruth and with good reasons.
r35 Rumpel
Why is Sucidialn00b still around? He clearly is a jester now. Also Oops has to die at night if nobody checked him up.
I suspect he was blackmailed as well like random defending someone who gets accused from a claimed sherriff to waste day 1 for town.
//Brings up the blackmailer again.
r41 Vornskr
Illidan, you are on my "very possibly scum" list. Prove to me that you are not scum with your writings and I will take what you say at face value.
//Probably not on the same team as Illidan
r43 Zane
I thought Claw's play was too obviously Jester to actually be Jester.
I think the mafia's votes were probably dispersed.
So I'm assuming McPwnage and Vornskr are replacements. Please read the Day 1 thread thank you.
Now, I call on Herr. What did you last night, if you are infact the Green Wizard.
I suspect Herr and Admiral, as this is an easy ploy to pull off.
//Very suspicious that he would think that their votes were dispersed for no given reason. He could be saying that if all the mafia votes were on Claw (good chance) to draw attention away from that fact. Goes straight to Herr even though a wizard isn't a priority.
r56 Deathfire123
Your wish is my command, Godfat- I mean, sir.
-vote Lysergic
//In the light of someone claiming to be the traitor accusing Illidan of being the godfather :O
r51 Rumpel
WRONG! Vote Dimwit as the possible Consig because he was the only one who had a picture day0 and day 1 already.
-vote Dimwit
//Thought the RP meant there was a lurking consig like I did at first. Can be faked but it seems like he isn't mafia.
r58 Auckmid
Why does anyone think there is a consig? Did anyone read the rp?
To those saying there is a consig, get off that train, that is just scummy.
Illidan why should we trust you at all? Because you decided not to vote Claw? apparently 31 other people ended up not voting claw too...does that mean all 31 of those people are trustworthy?
//Auckmid on the other hand calls people who thought there was a consig scummy. "Get off that train" Possibly defending Dimwit?
Some heavy Lysergic defending by Falsetruth. He made a big deal on day 1 about being sure Herr was an evil wizard with bad reasons, perhaps to draw attention away from the mafia. If Plato is the sheriff and got an innocent read on False night 1, I have a feeling False was hidden by the framer because of his name. Unlikely but just a feeling I have.
I really don't get Rumpel. He is constantly talking about what the mafia and in particular the blackmailer(s) might be doing. I don't know what he benefits from looking like the blackmailer so maybe he doesn't realise he's doing it or this could be some crazy wifom. I can never read CmG so it could be anything.
Capitalier could be the sheriff or a cit who made a gambit, which could be why he gave detailed analysis on why Narks was scummy to go along with his claim. These were some of the reasons I though Narks was scum as well.
On pg11 of Day 2 atm