S-FM 328: Lazy (6P)

[OzyWho]

Setup (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37220-S-FM-Lazy-(6-players))

LagAttack - ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=11411&searchthreadid=48830&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1) \ Auwt - ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=29012&searchthreadid=48830&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
blinkskater - ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=28400&searchthreadid=48830&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Oberon - ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=45595&searchthreadid=48830&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1) \ Frinckles - ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=34329&searchthreadid=48830&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
PQRnHack - ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=12998&searchthreadid=48830&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
theoneceko - ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=39849&searchthreadid=48830&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Varcron - ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=43484&searchthreadid=48830&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)

D1 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48830-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=930962&viewfull=1#post930962) \ D2 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48830-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=931398&viewfull=1#post931398) \ D3 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48830-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=931841&viewfull=1#post931841) \ EoG (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48830-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=931959&viewfull=1#post931959)

[OzyWho]

S-FM Lazy (6P)
https://freedomandprosperity.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/lazy-worker.jpg

:>:> You just received a letter! :>:>

(Excited about what it could be you quickly go and open it)
.
.
.

We have been informed by some of you that your entire department is being lazy.
We do not tolerate such behavior!
As of right now, you have one week to improve your productivity or all but the 2 honest of you will be fired. Their identity will remain anonymous, but rest assured that they share our disdain for laziness and will keep us up to date.

Sincerely,
CEO of The Firm.




Day1

Setup (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37220-S-FM-Lazy-(6-players))

Living Graveyard
Varcron LagAttack theoneceko Oberon PQRnHack blinkskater


02:00:00:00

3

[PQRnHack]

Lazy Town Mayor here. As a reminder, it's 3 votes to hammer today, so even one T-on-T vote could allow M+M to slaughter (but at least all eyes would be on them D2). The mayo asks town to hold off putting down random votes, so just stay lazy.

I will start with my tentative vote(s): KILL COLORED NAMES FIRST!
same as my earlier post #35 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48763-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=930782&viewfull=1#post930782)

[PQRnHack]

Lazy OzyWho did not colorize any names here as he did in the Signups thread.

[Lumi]

Hello all.

Day 1, Post 1 solve right here.

Actually, game's solved before the game even starts: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48763-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=927878&viewfull=1#post927878

We have a 50% winrate.

To put it more explicitly:

The sheriff openly claims

If someone counter claims then we thunder dome the two sheriff claims. This is great for town because if we guess right then our winrate shoots up to 75%. If we guess wrong then that's fine, our winrate is still at 50% - average winrate increases from 50% to 62.5%
Before we hammer either sheriff claim, that to-be-hammered sheriff should ORDER the players to be lynched next, and then town will follow out those orders.

A sheriff refusing to give an ordering is likely a scum just giving up since they know they'll be hammered so it doesn't matter

If the sheriff has reads, they can incorporate that into the ordering - if they are clueless, then just decide randomly.

THIS STEP IS VERY IMPORTANT - because the scum are a coordinated team, it is critically important that our sheriff gives an ordering for who to lynch if a scum CC's AND the real sheriff is looking to be the one hammered in the event that a scum tries to (foolishly) CC them. The real sheriff's ordering is a source of trusted randomization
Obviously a fake sheriff would give a list too - do NOT let the list given by ANY sheriff sway you in the lynch process, as the scum sheriff has perfect information about the game and can make their list look appealing - the information should only be used in the event that the lynched player flips sheriff.


Sheriff leads town to victory. I don't care how bad you feel your reads are this game if you get sheriff - you can literally pick randomly and we still win half the time. It's just important that you actually do lead to prevent scum from manipulating town.

And in the event that the sheriff was CC'd and we guessed wrong on who the real sheriff was - then the sheriff STILL leads town to victory from the grave, following their lynch order they laid out.



And to summarize that:

Sheriff reveals
Sheriff leads town
???
Win

[Varcron]

Spooky

[OzyWho]

Lazy OzyWho did not colorize any names here as he did in the Signups thread.

Lies

[blinkskater]

Hello all.

Day 1, Post 1 solve right here.

Actually, game's solved before the game even starts: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48763-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=927878&viewfull=1#post927878

We have a 50% winrate.

To put it more explicitly:

The sheriff openly claims

If someone counter claims then we thunder dome the two sheriff claims. This is great for town because if we guess right then our winrate shoots up to 75%. If we guess wrong then that's fine, our winrate is still at 50% - average winrate increases from 50% to 62.5%
Before we hammer either sheriff claim, that to-be-hammered sheriff should ORDER the players to be lynched next, and then town will follow out those orders.

A sheriff refusing to give an ordering is likely a scum just giving up since they know they'll be hammered so it doesn't matter

If the sheriff has reads, they can incorporate that into the ordering - if they are clueless, then just decide randomly.

THIS STEP IS VERY IMPORTANT - because the scum are a coordinated team, it is critically important that our sheriff gives an ordering for who to lynch if a scum CC's AND the real sheriff is looking to be the one hammered in the event that a scum tries to (foolishly) CC them. The real sheriff's ordering is a source of trusted randomization
Obviously a fake sheriff would give a list too - do NOT let the list given by ANY sheriff sway you in the lynch process, as the scum sheriff has perfect information about the game and can make their list look appealing - the information should only be used in the event that the lynched player flips sheriff.


Sheriff leads town to victory. I don't care how bad you feel your reads are this game if you get sheriff - you can literally pick randomly and we still win half the time. It's just important that you actually do lead to prevent scum from manipulating town.

And in the event that the sheriff was CC'd and we guessed wrong on who the real sheriff was - then the sheriff STILL leads town to victory from the grave, following their lynch order they laid out.



And to summarize that:

Sheriff reveals
Sheriff leads town
???
Win


This post can be made as either alignment IMO, but I do happen to agree so.

I'm the Sheriff

[blinkskater]

That being said I'm going to talk to my scum buddy for a while peace out.

[Varcron]

This post can be made as either alignment IMO, but I do happen to agree so.

I'm the Sheriff

Well that's good then.

[Lumi]

:>:> You just received a letter! :>:>

(Excited about what it could be you quickly go and open it)
.
.
.

We have been informed by some of you that your entire department is being lazy.
We do not tolerate such behavior!
As of right now, you have one week to improve your productivity or all but the 2 honest of you will be fired. Their identity will remain anonymous, but rest assured that they share our disdain for laziness and will keep us up to date.

Sincerely,
CEO of The Firm.



lol, just noticed this last minute flavor added to the setup. Last minute flavor addition - truly in the spirit of this game.

[Varcron]

Hello all.

Day 1, Post 1 solve right here.

Actually, game's solved before the game even starts: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48763-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=927878&viewfull=1#post927878

We have a 50% winrate.

To put it more explicitly:

The sheriff openly claims

If someone counter claims then we thunder dome the two sheriff claims. This is great for town because if we guess right then our winrate shoots up to 75%. If we guess wrong then that's fine, our winrate is still at 50% - average winrate increases from 50% to 62.5%
Before we hammer either sheriff claim, that to-be-hammered sheriff should ORDER the players to be lynched next, and then town will follow out those orders.

A sheriff refusing to give an ordering is likely a scum just giving up since they know they'll be hammered so it doesn't matter

If the sheriff has reads, they can incorporate that into the ordering - if they are clueless, then just decide randomly.

THIS STEP IS VERY IMPORTANT - because the scum are a coordinated team, it is critically important that our sheriff gives an ordering for who to lynch if a scum CC's AND the real sheriff is looking to be the one hammered in the event that a scum tries to (foolishly) CC them. The real sheriff's ordering is a source of trusted randomization
Obviously a fake sheriff would give a list too - do NOT let the list given by ANY sheriff sway you in the lynch process, as the scum sheriff has perfect information about the game and can make their list look appealing - the information should only be used in the event that the lynched player flips sheriff.


Sheriff leads town to victory. I don't care how bad you feel your reads are this game if you get sheriff - you can literally pick randomly and we still win half the time. It's just important that you actually do lead to prevent scum from manipulating town.

And in the event that the sheriff was CC'd and we guessed wrong on who the real sheriff was - then the sheriff STILL leads town to victory from the grave, following their lynch order they laid out.



And to summarize that:

Sheriff reveals
Sheriff leads town
???
Win


Good stats and numbers, NAI, but still, solid.

[PQRnHack]

Lies

found the scum, reported for editing!

[PQRnHack]

To ruin Lag's genius master plan, I offer a scenario not covered by Lag :) What is that scenario?

I'm the Sheriff

[Lumi]

To ruin Lag's genius master plan, I offer a scenario not covered by Lag :) What is that scenario?

I'm the Sheriff


This post can be made as either alignment IMO, but I do happen to agree so.

I'm the Sheriff

Our winrate just increased to 62.5%

[PQRnHack]

What if the mafia just claimed sheriffs? :) Can we get 6 sheriff claims today pls?

[theoneceko]

This post can be made as either alignment IMO, but I do happen to agree so.

I'm the Sheriff

blinkskater

im the real sheriff. im also not afraid of "both scum" hammering you bc you're one of them.

[Varcron]

blinkskater

im the real sheriff. im also not afraid of "both scum" hammering you bc you're one of them.

If this is a meme vote then that's a bad idea


Game starts off on L3.

[theoneceko]

so, blink and pqrn claimed sheriff. i am technically a cc since i posted after them.

i don't see why either of them would fake sheriff as villager, so i suspect both of them are mafia.

lynch blink, then pqrn

[theoneceko]

If this is a meme vote then that's a bad idea


Game starts off on L3.

why would villager fake sheriff?

[theoneceko]

it's not a meme vote.

I AM THE REAL SHERIFF.

TODAY WE LYNCH BLINKSKATER, THEN TOMORROW WE LYNCH PQRNHACK.

[PQRnHack]

why would villager fake sheriff?

seems you're too lazy to read my posts :)

[theoneceko]

wifom is the only weapon the scum have right now.

[Varcron]

why would villager fake sheriff?

IDK, it doesn't seem like an optimal play to me

If anything it shoots town in the foot to claim sheriff as villager

[blinkskater]

Ceko, you're the 3rd player to claim Sheriff, just because you used giant green leters and say I'm a liar doesn't really mean anything at all.

I claimed, PQR claimed right after me. now you come in and claim?

Do I have these events correct?

[Lumi]

OK. apparently this is just a troll game now with three sheriff claims.

You all did read the setup, right? The scum have no night kill, your wifom garbage is just throwing.

[blinkskater]

OK. apparently this is just a troll game now with three sheriff claims.

You all did read the setup, right? The scum have no night kill, your wifom garbage is just throwing.

Please don't accuse players who actually know how to play Mafia of throwing.

[blinkskater]

Calling people trolls and accusing people of throwing when they are just trying to play Mafia legit pisses me off, unless you're scum because I award scum points for that type of reading.

[PQRnHack]

So I think I hooked scum!ceko here. The scenario not covered by Lag is Sheriff-CC being a Citizen (and that's what I did here). Ceko jumped at the opportunity to call out other 2 sheriff claims (1 probably real Blink, 1 fake -- mine) in order to push lynching Sheriff, then Citizen who is painted as scum for CC'ing Sheriff. That would result in a quick Mafia win.

Ceko sus

[Varcron]

Ceko, you're the 3rd player to claim Sheriff, just because you used giant green leters and say I'm a liar doesn't really mean anything at all.

I claimed, PQR claimed right after me. now you come in and claim?

Do I have these events correct?

Wait, ceko can't be sheriff

because I'm Sheriff

I get the fancy underline and bold too! Take that!

[Lumi]

Please don't accuse players who actually know how to play Mafia of throwing.

Are you implying something with this?

[PQRnHack]

Although Ceko would have to guess which of the faking Citizens is not sheriff, since lynching real Sheriff D1 is not optimal for scum in that case. But I confess, I am Citizen, so Ceko you should vote me as scum here ;)

[blinkskater]

4 Sheriff claims is a bit much LMAO

[theoneceko]

To ruin Lag's genius master plan, I offer a scenario not covered by Lag :) What is that scenario?

I'm the Sheriff


What if the mafia just claimed sheriffs? :) Can we get 6 sheriff claims today pls?

u just revealed here that ur intention was to get the real sheriff to reveal himself.
wdym? if you were actually a sheriff, then wouldn't you say "i will thunderdome with the other sheriff claim like lag told me to." the fact you said this shows you can NOT be a sheriff.
that a third person claims sheriff. how would you know this unless you were scum?

[theoneceko]

i'm tunneling a bit more this game fyi

[PQRnHack]

PQRnHack the Sheriff, has revealed himself!

[Lumi]

Calling people trolls and accusing people of throwing when they are just trying to play Mafia legit pisses me off, unless you're scum because I award scum points for that type of reading.

There's literally an optimal strategy to play this setup, please tell me what purpose all these sheriff claims could have other than people just deciding to shit on the strategy I just posted and you said you agreed with

[PQRnHack]

u just revealed here that ur intention was to get the real sheriff to reveal himself.
wdym? if you were actually a sheriff, then wouldn't you say "i will thunderdome with the other sheriff claim like lag told me to." the fact you said this shows you can NOT be a sheriff.
that a third person claims sheriff. how would you know this unless you were scum?

Lag's strat/post assumes that if a CC is made to Sheriff role, then that CC is scum. Forgot to cover the case of Citizen CC'ing Sheriff.

[blinkskater]

Although Ceko would have to guess which of the faking Citizens is not sheriff, since lynching real Sheriff D1 is not optimal for scum in that case. But I confess, I am Citizen, so Ceko you should vote me as scum here ;)

I understand why you said what you said in your prior post explaining what you thought of Ceko.

However, I'm not sure that I agree. Here's why..
1. Scum would know it's 2 town and need to talk to their buddy in chat to see how to react. It wouldn't be an instant claim from scum.
2. Why on earth would any scum in there right mind try and claim sheriff when they would know there's 2 town claiming sheriff. Sit back and profit.

[Varcron]

u just revealed here that ur intention was to get the real sheriff to reveal himself.
wdym? if you were actually a sheriff, then wouldn't you say "i will thunderdome with the other sheriff claim like lag told me to." the fact you said this shows you can NOT be a sheriff.
that a third person claims sheriff. how would you know this unless you were scum?

You're looking at this way too hard LMFAO

If the real sheriff reveals and gets mislynched, town's chances of winning go up since that's one outed scum.

[PQRnHack]

There's literally an optimal strategy to play this setup, please tell me what purpose all these sheriff claims could have other than people just deciding to shit on the strategy I just posted and you said you agreed with

too lazy for math strategy
math not fun
i shall dis-integrate your strategy and use my own derivative

[theoneceko]

So I think I hooked scum!ceko here. The scenario not covered by Lag is Sheriff-CC being a Citizen (and that's what I did here). Ceko jumped at the opportunity to call out other 2 sheriff claims (1 probably real Blink, 1 fake -- mine) in order to push lynching Sheriff, then Citizen who is painted as scum for CC'ing Sheriff. That would result in a quick Mafia win.

Ceko sus

i just said you can NOT be sheriff. i was about to explain this further, that you and blink probably can't be a team because that would literally be suicide.
why wouldn't i say this if i was the real sheriff
if blink gets lynched and flips sheriff, then i'll get lynched next. i don't see how my strategy, which you think is scummy, will lead to a "quick Mafia win."

[Lumi]

can we please have the ACTUAL sheriff claims hard claim. Citizen claiming sheriff doesn't help us at all

[PQRnHack]

I understand why you said what you said in your prior post explaining what you thought of Ceko.

However, I'm not sure that I agree. Here's why..
1. Scum would know it's 2 town and need to talk to their buddy in chat to see how to react. It wouldn't be an instant claim from scum.
2. Why on earth would any scum in there right mind try and claim sheriff when they would know there's 2 town claiming sheriff. Sit back and profit.

scum!Ceko may make this play. If their lynch flips Citizen, then they will push to end the game by CCing the real Sheriff. If the lynch flips Sheriff, Ceko will say he was also Citizen and made another big brain play like his claiming Magus in the earlier setup.

[blinkskater]

There's literally an optimal strategy to play this setup, please tell me what purpose all these sheriff claims could have other than people just deciding to shit on the strategy I just posted and you said you agreed with

I'd rather not discuss it at this point in time the significance of these sheriff claims.

I should have specified that I agreed with you ONLY on the fact Sheriff claiming right away increases towns WINRATE.

There were also some scenarios you left out of your "plan." FM isn't always so black and white, "Follow my plan and we win." Every player in the game can legitimately say that.

[Varcron]

You're looking at this way too hard LMFAO

If the real sheriff reveals and gets mislynched, town's chances of winning go up since that's one outed scum.

Because you gotta keep in mind Ceko

4v2

Sheriff Mislynch= 3v2

Lynch fake sheriff claim= 3v1

Mislynch= 2v1

Mislynch #2 1v1 and scum win the tie


We need to mislynch literally 3 times in order to lose this game if I'm right.

[theoneceko]

it's not a meme vote.

I AM THE REAL SHERIFF.

TODAY WE LYNCH BLINKSKATER, THEN TOMORROW WE LYNCH PQRNHACK.

perhaps i jumped the gun too fast here. i mean, in the mod you obviously want to lynch anyone that cc's mayor. i also wanted to follow lag's strategy, which pqr shred to pieces by fake-claiming sheriff.

however, pqr just recently got townpoints bc he claimed villager faking sheriff. this was literally at the moment when i was about to say blink and pqr probably can't be a team.

[blinkskater]

scum!Ceko may make this play. If their lynch flips Citizen, then they will push to end the game by CCing the real Sheriff. If the lynch flips Sheriff, Ceko will say he was also Citizen and made another big brain play like his claiming Magus in the earlier setup.

I don't think that's the case with ceko here.

[Varcron]

scum!Ceko may make this play. If their lynch flips Citizen, then they will push to end the game by CCing the real Sheriff. If the lynch flips Sheriff, Ceko will say he was also Citizen and made another big brain play like his claiming Magus in the earlier setup.

Yeah except there's no reason for him to try to make that play in a setup like this.

[blinkskater]

too lazy for math strategy
math not fun
i shall dis-integrate your strategy and use my own derivative

Math is no fun eh, I don't think you're being honest with that statement.

[theoneceko]

If this is a meme vote then that's a bad idea


Game starts off on L3.

i still want a thunderdome between me and blink, but on the very slight chance that blink is actually another citizen faking villager, i will rescind my vote for now.

unvote

**STILL WANT BLINK LYNCHED TODAY

[blinkskater]

i still want a thunderdome between me and blink, but on the very slight chance that blink is actually another citizen faking villager, i will rescind my vote for now.

unvote

**STILL WANT BLINK LYNCHED TODAY

TBH this is exactly what scum would say if 2 towns just claimed sheriff.

Fuck me man PQR or Ceko here hmm.

[theoneceko]

Ceko, you're the 3rd player to claim Sheriff, just because you used giant green leters and say I'm a liar doesn't really mean anything at all.

I claimed, PQR claimed right after me. now you come in and claim?

Do I have these events correct?

cuz i'm mad that u immediately claimed sheriff. this forced me to reveal without getting a read on players first.
true, that means nothing. the only way we will resolve this is through a thunderdome between you and me.

what is this tone lol. why don't u care that two people immediately cc'ed your "sheriff" claim? i said this about pqrn, but there's no way you should be this chill if you were actually the sheriff. how does two people cc'ing you improve your odds of leading town?

[Varcron]

TBH this is exactly what scum would say if 2 towns just claimed sheriff.

Fuck me man PQR or Ceko here hmm.

IMO PQR made a pretty obvious bait in this post


To ruin Lag's genius master plan, I offer a scenario not covered by Lag What is that scenario?

I'm the Sheriff

Take a look at what Lag has in his plan, citizen fake claiming sheriff isn't in there.

[blinkskater]

So I'm asuming that PQR has rescinded his Sheriff claim and claimed villager?

I'm also assuming ceko is still claiming Sheriff, but he doesn't want to keep his vote on me knowing he would be a real sheriff because I have not rescinded my vote?

If Ceko is real here in what world would he take his vote off me?

[theoneceko]

Calling people trolls and accusing people of throwing when they are just trying to play Mafia legit pisses me off, unless you're scum because I award scum points for that type of reading.

weak and nonsensical scumpaint

[blinkskater]

cuz i'm mad that u immediately claimed sheriff. this forced me to reveal without getting a read on players first.
true, that means nothing. the only way we will resolve this is through a thunderdome between you and me.

what is this tone lol. why don't u care that two people immediately cc'ed your "sheriff" claim? i said this about pqrn, but there's no way you should be this chill if you were actually the sheriff. how does two people cc'ing you improve your odds of leading town?

You should be able to to read my tone here. Please don't try and associate how you think I would react as a Sheriff here to how I'm acting. Seems like you're trying to make it look like because I'm not freaking out, somethings wrong.

PQR Immediately rescinded, and pretty much said why he did what he did, and gave a follow up on you about you claiming after like that. I can see town in that slot for that.

I'm positive at this point either one of you or PQR is scum.

[blinkskater]

weak and nonsensical scumpaint

That's fair if you think it's scum paint.

At this point in time though I have no reason to try and scum paint lag, I'm being transparent with him on how I will read him if he continues to tell players they are trolling or throwing.

[theoneceko]

You're looking at this way too hard LMFAO

If the real sheriff reveals and gets mislynched, town's chances of winning go up since that's one outed scum.

you're right. my tunnel on pqr was absolute dogshit bc i completely misinterpreted his intentions

i understand that, but this is like frinckles getting lynched from last game. town would've been in a better spot if we didn't lynch frinckles. in this game, town will also be in a better spot if they lynch blink first instead of me.

[theoneceko]

like, i understand the benefits of a comeback, but we can prevent town from having to comeback in the first place by lynching blink today.

[Varcron]

weak and nonsensical scumpaint

OMG! He's scum because he pointed out how he reads specific things!

Are you trying to make up reasons to get blink lynched? If either Blink or PQR were looking to bait a reaction from someone they definitely got it.

[theoneceko]

I understand why you said what you said in your prior post explaining what you thought of Ceko.

However, I'm not sure that I agree. Here's why..
1. Scum would know it's 2 town and need to talk to their buddy in chat to see how to react. It wouldn't be an instant claim from scum.
2. Why on earth would any scum in there right mind try and claim sheriff when they would know there's 2 town claiming sheriff. Sit back and profit.

hewwo!!!
UWOWU HEWWO!!!

[blinkskater]

you're right. my tunnel on pqr was absolute dogshit bc i completely misinterpreted his intentions

i understand that, but this is like frinckles getting lynched from last game. town would've been in a better spot if we didn't lynch frinckles. in this game, town will also be in a better spot if they lynch blink first instead of me.

I normally carry scum you think I'm the one out of two of my partners to guarantee my self lynched in a CC? Even if I convinced you guys to lynched the real sheriff first, then I was lynched how does that even help my scum team?

[blinkskater]

hewwo!!!
UWOWU HEWWO!!!

I know I'm having mixed emotions right now between you and PQR

[theoneceko]

I'd rather not discuss it at this point in time the significance of these sheriff claims.

I should have specified that I agreed with you ONLY on the fact Sheriff claiming right away increases towns WINRATE.

There were also some scenarios you left out of your "plan." FM isn't always so black and white, "Follow my plan and we win." Every player in the game can legitimately say that.

i would've done this, but 1. you and pqr beat me to it 2. i've no idea who i'd lynch if i instantly revealed

[blinkskater]

like, i understand the benefits of a comeback, but we can prevent town from having to comeback in the first place by lynching blink today.

Ceko, so you still stand by your "Sheriff" claim?

[Varcron]

i would've done this, but 1. you and pqr beat me to it 2. i've no idea who i'd lynch if i instantly revealed

You'd develop reads before trying to turbo lynch someone.....

48 hour days ceko uwu

[theoneceko]

TBH this is exactly what scum would say if 2 towns just claimed sheriff.

Fuck me man PQR or Ceko here hmm.

this game is moving way too fast!! ;W; so i can chill

[blinkskater]

LagAttack and Varcron

You guys claim villager?

[theoneceko]

So I'm asuming that PQR has rescinded his Sheriff claim and claimed villager?

I'm also assuming ceko is still claiming Sheriff, but he doesn't want to keep his vote on me knowing he would be a real sheriff because I have not rescinded my vote?

If Ceko is real here in what world would he take his vote off me?

i said i still had a vote in spirit on you.

blinkskater

are you happy now?

[blinkskater]

If I had to take an associative guess on a team right now it would be Varcron + PQR

[blinkskater]

i said i still had a vote in spirit on you.

blinkskater

are you happy now?

Yeah tbh

[blinkskater]

theoneceko In your own words how do you think Lag would play this as scum here?

[Varcron]

LagAttack and Varcron

You guys claim villager?

Yeah I only claimed sheriff because 3 of you apes decided to claim it, I thought PQR and Ceko were joking lol, except it looks to me like PQR did a big brain in his claim and is now a solid town in my book for it.

My real claim is villager

[Varcron]

If I had to take an associative guess on a team right now it would be Varcron + PQR

Buddying in this setup would be suicide.

[theoneceko]

Ceko, so you still stand by your "Sheriff" claim?

absolutely

i am the real sheriff. im pissed bc two people already claimed it before i even posted, so sorry if i'm being a bit erratic.

[theoneceko]

blinkskater, do you still stand by your "Sheriff" claim?

[theoneceko]

blinkskater, do you still stand by your "Sheriff" claim?

i will probably still lynch you since you are less likely to be a villager than pqr. i also want to ignore wifom and follow lag's plan.

[PQRnHack]

If I had to take an associative guess on a team right now it would be Varcron + PQR

And Ceko CC'ing you is not on the list?
Varcron and I are likely a "team": one of Lazy Town Citizens

[theoneceko]

my mind right now.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[blinkskater]

My other associative guess would be Lag+ceko

[blinkskater]

And Ceko CC'ing you is not on the list?
Varcron and I are likely a "team": one of Lazy Town Citizens

Trust me Ceko is there too ;)

[blinkskater]

blinkskater, do you still stand by your "Sheriff" claim?

Yes

[blinkskater]

i will probably still lynch you since you are less likely to be a villager than pqr. i also want to ignore wifom and follow lag's plan.

Do you also have a plan with Lag in scum chat for you to CC the sheriff or nah?

[theoneceko]

theoneceko In your own words how do you think Lag would play this as scum here?

setup speculation then afk

sorry lag, but i've to play the game. idk what ur alignment is UWU

[theoneceko]

And Ceko CC'ing you is not on the list?
Varcron and I are likely a "team": one of Lazy Town Citizens

blink should be voting me rn. i hard-claimed sheriff. if he's actually a sheriff, then he should vote me right now.

[PQRnHack]

Lag's play is NAI in my view, but it would be convenient for scum!Lag to post the same strat already stated in Signups thread in order to a) earn town pts, b) for a fake Sheriff partner to appear with their "randomized" list.

[Varcron]

blink should be voting me rn. i hard-claimed sheriff. if he's actually a sheriff, then he should vote me right now.

Isn't that exactly what blink said a few posts back but with an uno reverso?

[theoneceko]

Trust me Ceko is there too ;)

why don't u vote me right now then?

you suspected me for unvoting you, but now that i super-duper hard-claim sheriff you won't place a vote on me? or will you say i'm "outed scum" bc of how REEEEEEEEEE i am?

[blinkskater]

setup speculation then afk

sorry lag, but i've to play the game. idk what ur alignment is UWU

That's exactly what Lag is doing right now tho LOL

[blinkskater]

I'm leaving for a bit

[PQRnHack]

I'm leaving for a bit

aight Mafia, hammer him quick!!!

[theoneceko]

That's exactly what Lag is doing right now tho LOL

yea, but ur not going to convince me to vote lag today.

you can draw associative scumteams all you want, but it doesn't matter what you say because you are scum.

[theoneceko]

aight Mafia, hammer him quick!!!

i mean this seriously. get blink out before he causes more mayhem.

even when he flips mafia, it'll be hard to find who his scummate is based on his posts.

[theoneceko]

i mean this seriously. get blink out before he causes more mayhem.

even when he flips mafia, it'll be hard to find who his scummate is based on his posts.

wait ok, maybe don't hammer. keeping blink alive longer may give us more info on his scummate.

however, i am absolutely certain he is scum.

[Lumi]

PQR alluded to a scenario I didn't account for, which would be a citizen claiming sheriff. That fact I think makes it pretty clear that PQR was actually claiming citizen in a cheeky way.

Varcron seems to be memeing with his Sheriff claim. If you are not just memeing, now is the time to hard claim Sheriff, Varcron

ceko and blink both seem to be hard claiming sheriff. Which is good for us, scum has a lower winrate when they try to CC the real sheriff.

Kind of pissed at blink assigning scum points to me for being annoyed at what felt like town just taking a big fat dump on my strategy - which isn't just a random strategy based on reads - it's a mathematically verifiable road-map for town to win the majority of the time. So when you get 3 sheriff claims - that means, ya either mafia is throwing by having both of them claim sheriff, or there's some citizen claiming sheriff for... reasons

And this is exactly the same kind of scumpainting he did to me last game, where he just came up with some bullshit reason to call me scum, when he was the real scum

[PQRnHack]

i mean this seriously. get blink out before he causes more mayhem.

even when he flips mafia, it'll be hard to find who his scummate is based on his posts.

Replying prior to reading what other posts exist below..

This is a scummy post. Why would you suggest to blitz Blink when you specifically identify a good reason for town NOT to rush to do so: "hard to find who his scummate is"?

[PQRnHack]

LOL funny thing is the post directly below (which I swear I had not read) by Ceko has him calling himself out on that failure. ooooooof

[PQRnHack]

Oberon you will be missed
Obreon

[theoneceko]

PQRnHack since you're more likely to vote me instead of blink in this thunderdome, let me explain why your reasons for scumreading me are bad.

these are all hypothetical scenarios where i am scum:

if i am scum, i'd probably be afk rn. i hate playing scum
if i am scum and saw two town instantly claim sheriff, then i'd let them thunderdome.
if i am scum and saw one town and one scum instantly claim sheriff, then i'd let them thunderdome. if i claimed sheriff with my scummate, we would lose instantly. even if we lynched the real sheriff today, we'd just get lynched after.

~~~

you are my strongest villager read right now because i know you can't be in a team with blink. however, i fear that part of why you scumread me is because i briefly tunneled you. you voted crichard and i last game bc we scumread you, but we were both town. whenever i pushed you, you pulled off an OMGUS without actually defending yourself. i think that's a sub-optimal strategy.

i think you need to consider why i got so mad when i first came into this thread. lag would've carried last game if town just followed her lead, but we'd to suffer three mislynches before finally winning. unfortunately, the same thing is happening in this game. when i saw that there were two sheriff claims, i got worried that my sheriff claim wouldn't be as believable and that i would be mislynched.

i tunneled you partially because i was being irrational back then and because i didn't understand your strategy. i "jumped the gun" on you and put you in a team with blinkskater. however, i still said we should lynch blinkskater first.

now jump in my pocket like you did last game and vote blink.

[theoneceko]

Replying prior to reading what other posts exist below..

This is a scummy post. Why would you suggest to blitz Blink when you specifically identify a good reason for town NOT to rush to do so: "hard to find who his scummate is"?

omfg

[PQRnHack]

PQRnHack
if i am scum and saw two town instantly claim sheriff, then i'd let them thunderdome.


I do like this point.

[theoneceko]

LOL funny thing is the post directly below (which I swear I had not read) by Ceko has him calling himself out on that failure. ooooooof

i'm literally just being irrational right now, but it's wearing off ^-^

i hate blink's scum gambit, but i hope you realize only town!ceko can hate it.

[Lumi]

That being said I'm going to talk to my scum buddy for a while peace out.


Calling people trolls and accusing people of throwing when they are just trying to play Mafia legit pisses me off, unless you're scum because I award scum points for that type of reading.


I'd rather not discuss it at this point in time the significance of these sheriff claims.

I should have specified that I agreed with you ONLY on the fact Sheriff claiming right away increases towns WINRATE.

There were also some scenarios you left out of your "plan." FM isn't always so black and white, "Follow my plan and we win." Every player in the game can legitimately say that.


I understand why you said what you said in your prior post explaining what you thought of Ceko.

However, I'm not sure that I agree. Here's why..
1. Scum would know it's 2 town and need to talk to their buddy in chat to see how to react. It wouldn't be an instant claim from scum.
2. Why on earth would any scum in there right mind try and claim sheriff when they would know there's 2 town claiming sheriff. Sit back and profit.


I normally carry scum you think I'm the one out of two of my partners to guarantee my self lynched in a CC? Even if I convinced you guys to lynched the real sheriff first, then I was lynched how does that even help my scum team?

"I'm going to to go talk to my scummate" quite literal tongue-in-cheek, "I'm going to explicitly say I'm talking to scum because no one will think I'm actually scum if I'm willing to say that"

Followed up with scumpainting me for criticizing the OBJECTIVELY bad strategy of 3/4 sheriff claims. (Although now we're down to 2, which is fine, 1 scum, 1 sheriff)

But OH the reason why it's not ACTUALLY bad isn't important right now, let's just not talk about it...

Trying to sell another point, trying to say him being scum doesn't make any sense because why would he guarantee his lynch when he's part of the scum team?

And also discrediting the other sheriff claim

This opening reads SUPER scummy to me.

This reads like a plan to:

Claim Sheriff day 1
Scum paint someone else day 1
Try to get town to lynch outside of the thunderdome between the sheriff claims
While simultaneously discrediting the other sheriff
That way he can get the town to mislynch the real sheriff on day 2 for the quick win


But that's not going to work on me, I see through this bullshit plan just like how I saw through blink as sticky impersonator in the Last Hope game.

[blinkskater]

Is it me or does that post from ceko look scripted like he could have had help posting it in scum chat?

Why would he jump at PQR when I posted first?

[theoneceko]

Oberon you will be missed
Obreon

i was about to say this was a shitty vote and that lag and i could hammer oberon.

however, since im slowly becoming more rational i noticed that typo. UWOWU HEWWO!!!

[Lumi]

And then blink also tries to drive a wedge between me and ceko, asking ceko how I would play if I were scum, since he knows that I am far more likely to side with ceko than him just on principle. I was playing runling run. Lost to Diablo on Hard difficulty. Hard is hard.

[PQRnHack]

you voted crichard and i last game bc we scumread you, but we were both town. whenever i pushed you, you pulled off an OMGUS without actually defending yourself. i think that's a sub-optimal strategy.

I do not like this point. And I do not necessary play optimally, I play to have fun (in these first 3-4 games of FM ever). In that highly-mechanical Last Hope game (unlike the current one), I didn't want to give away all my thoughts as a townie. I feel like giving away reads etc gives too many clues to scum on what a player's voting plan is and then the scum may take actions accordingly. Like having an outed Vigi in mod calling out potential mafias --> gets Vigi killed

I will still sleep well at night even if you and other vets "know" that I do not play optimally. At least I had fun :)

[blinkskater]

"I'm going to to go talk to my scummate" quite literal tongue-in-cheek, "I'm going to explicitly say I'm talking to scum because no one will think I'm actually scum if I'm willing to say that"

Followed up with scumpainting me for criticizing the OBJECTIVELY bad strategy of 3/4 sheriff claims. (Although now we're down to 2, which is fine, 1 scum, 1 sheriff)

But OH the reason why it's not ACTUALLY bad isn't important right now, let's just not talk about it...

Trying to sell another point, trying to say him being scum doesn't make any sense because why would he guarantee his lynch when he's part of the scum team?

And also discrediting the other sheriff claim

This opening reads SUPER scummy to me.

This reads like a plan to:

Claim Sheriff day 1
Scum paint someone else day 1
Try to get town to lynch outside of the thunderdome between the sheriff claims
While simultaneously discrediting the other sheriff
That way he can get the town to mislynch the real sheriff on day 2 for the quick win


But that's not going to work on me, I see through this bullshit plan just like how I saw through blink as sticky impersonator in the Last Hope game.

Interesting take, so I assume you believe ceko to be real then?

[blinkskater]

I do not like this point. And I do not necessary play optimally, I play to have fun (in these first 3-4 games of FM ever). In that highly-mechanical Last Hope game (unlike the current one), I didn't want to give away all my thoughts as a townie. I feel like giving away reads etc gives too many clues to scum on what a player's voting plan is and then the scum may take actions accordingly. Like having an outed Vigi in mod calling out potential mafias --> gets Vigi killed

I will still sleep well at night even if you and other vets "know" that I do not play optimally. At least I had fun :)

brun since when does ceko complain about optimal play?

[PQRnHack]

Is it me or does that post from ceko look scripted like he could have had help posting it in scum chat?

Why would he jump at PQR when I posted first?

I'm too Lazy to read all of ceko's posts again. Can you link to the post you're referencing?

[theoneceko]

Is it me or does that post from ceko look scripted like he could have had help posting it in scum chat?

Why would he jump at PQR when I posted first?

i thought pqr open-claimed wolf in his first five posts >_<. again, i wasn't thinking clearly at the time.

i said i wanted to lynch you first though, just because you were the first to claim sheriff.

[blinkskater]

LagAttack I scum read people who try to call others play trollish and throwlike. If you want to scum read me for it thats fair.

[PQRnHack]

i was about to say this was a shitty vote and that lag and i could hammer oberon.

however, since im slowly becoming more rational i noticed that typo. UWOWU HEWWO!!!

If I had to take an associative guess on a team right now it would be Ceko + Lag

[blinkskater]

I'm too Lazy to read all of ceko's posts again. Can you link to the post you're referencing?

Nah you can find it yourself

[PQRnHack]

And then blink also tries to drive a wedge between me and ceko, asking ceko how I would play if I were scum, since he knows that I am far more likely to side with ceko than him just on principle. I was playing runling run. Lost to Diablo on Hard difficulty. Hard is hard.

I am also hard ;)
RLR FTW

[theoneceko]

"I'm going to to go talk to my scummate" quite literal tongue-in-cheek, "I'm going to explicitly say I'm talking to scum because no one will think I'm actually scum if I'm willing to say that"

Followed up with scumpainting me for criticizing the OBJECTIVELY bad strategy of 3/4 sheriff claims. (Although now we're down to 2, which is fine, 1 scum, 1 sheriff)

But OH the reason why it's not ACTUALLY bad isn't important right now, let's just not talk about it...

Trying to sell another point, trying to say him being scum doesn't make any sense because why would he guarantee his lynch when he's part of the scum team?

And also discrediting the other sheriff claim

This opening reads SUPER scummy to me.

This reads like a plan to:

Claim Sheriff day 1
Scum paint someone else day 1
Try to get town to lynch outside of the thunderdome between the sheriff claims
While simultaneously discrediting the other sheriff
That way he can get the town to mislynch the real sheriff on day 2 for the quick win


But that's not going to work on me, I see through this bullshit plan just like how I saw through blink as sticky impersonator in the Last Hope game.

i think you're right to tunnel blink here because he's mechanically confirmed scum. however, i think you wasted some energy because blink confirmed me as the real sheriff. he literally outed himself as scum for you.

[PQRnHack]

brun since when does ceko complain about optimal play?

Since the game where they're partnered with Lag, whose first post documented the optimal play.

[Lumi]

Interesting take, so I assume you believe ceko to be real then?

Yes, I also know ceko read my post on strategy for this game, I find it very doubtful that a scum ceko would claim sheriff, ceko respects my strategy. Whereas you as scum either didn't really read it in detail and just kind of wanted to do your own thing anyway - or you thought that you could use that same strategy against us by trying to appear "too scummy to be scum"

I'm not buying it. I'd be ready to turbo you right now to resolve this thunderdome if it weren't for the fact that ending the day before Oberon even gets to talk would be silly.

[blinkskater]

And then blink also tries to drive a wedge between me and ceko, asking ceko how I would play if I were scum, since he knows that I am far more likely to side with ceko than him just on principle. I was playing runling run. Lost to Diablo on Hard difficulty. Hard is hard.

That's not at all what I was doing why would you think that?

[blinkskater]

i think you're right to tunnel blink here because he's mechanically confirmed scum. however, i think you wasted some energy because blink confirmed me as the real sheriff. he literally outed himself as scum for you.

Lol what?

[blinkskater]

Yes, I also know ceko read my post on strategy for this game, I find it very doubtful that a scum ceko would claim sheriff, ceko respects my strategy. Whereas you as scum either didn't really read it in detail and just kind of wanted to do your own thing anyway - or you thought that you could use that same strategy against us by trying to appear "too scummy to be scum"

I'm not buying it. I'd be ready to turbo you right now to resolve this thunderdome if it weren't for the fact that ending the day before Oberon even gets to talk would be silly.

Fair enough

[theoneceko]

And then blink also tries to drive a wedge between me and ceko, asking ceko how I would play if I were scum, since he knows that I am far more likely to side with ceko than him just on principle. I was playing runling run. Lost to Diablo on Hard difficulty. Hard is hard.

;W;

[PQRnHack]

I'm going camping. Good luck to me.
blinksketer

[blinkskater]

I still say PQR+Varcron, unless Lag is good at replicating his town meta as scum.

[blinkskater]

varcron

I wish Oberon were here for the past few hours with all of us, but sigh he wasn't.

Obviously with this vote you can guess what i'm actually hard claiming here =)

[theoneceko]

LagAttack I scum read people who try to call others play trollish and throwlike. If you want to scum read me for it thats fair.

you didn't scumread crichard for that last game.

[Lumi]

Since the game where they're partnered with Lag, whose first post documented the optimal play.

Alright PQR also joining in on selling a ceko + Lag pairing.

So I'm saying this for the record:

In retrospect PQR's claim definitely appears as a villager claim
But I could 100% see a PQR + blink scum team planning to BOTH claim sheriff right away, one of them hard claim, the other soft claim - to make it seem like "there's no way they're both scum"
And now PQR is entertaining blink's plan that would lead to someone outside the thunderdome getting lynched day 1
If blink flips scum then PQR could EASILY also be scum with blink.


Obviously though, I'm not advocating a PQR lynch, not am I even really scumreading him. I'm just saying that his jokey claim is more NAI than anything.

[theoneceko]

I am also hard ;)
RLR FTW

stop. you're being a creep.

[blinkskater]

you didn't scumread crichard for that last game.

Because I was scum last game.

[PQRnHack]

This is not a real vote. But I have 2 questions for you smart people.
1) Would this be potentially bannable (angleshoot or wahtever you wanna call it)
2) What Easter egg exists (one that was not necessary)?

-vote bIinkskater

[blinkskater]

Alright PQR also joining in on selling a ceko + Lag pairing.

So I'm saying this for the record:

In retrospect PQR's claim definitely appears as a villager claim
But I could 100% see a PQR + blink scum team planning to BOTH claim sheriff right away, one of them hard claim, the other soft claim - to make it seem like "there's no way they're both scum"
And now PQR is entertaining blink's plan that would lead to someone outside the thunderdome getting lynched day 1
If blink flips scum then PQR could EASILY also be scum with blink.


Obviously though, I'm not advocating a PQR lynch, not am I even really scumreading him. I'm just saying that his jokey claim is more NAI than anything.

There is no thunderdome untie your panties lol

[Lumi]

varcron

I wish Oberon were here for the past few hours with all of us, but sigh he wasn't.

Obviously with this vote you can guess what i'm actually hard claiming here =)

Implying he's not hard claiming sheriff anymore.

This looks like a scum that is realizing their sheriff claim is quickly leading to them getting turbo'd so they're trying to dissolve the thunderdome

[PQRnHack]

stop. you're being a creep.

Not on the role list! move on, I am just a Lazy Town Citizen

[blinkskater]

This is not a real vote. But I have 2 questions for you smart people.
1) Would this be potentially bannable (angleshoot or wahtever you wanna call it)
2) What Easter egg exists (one that was not necessary)?

-vote bIinkskater

Fake voting is perfectly fine

[blinkskater]

Implying he's not hard claiming sheriff anymore.

This looks like a scum that is realizing their sheriff claim is quickly leading to them getting turbo'd so they're trying to dissolve the thunderdome

Nah you can keep going if you want tho

[theoneceko]

Because I was scum last game.

good point, but i'm still 100% lynching you today.

[theoneceko]

I still say PQR+Varcron, unless Lag is good at replicating his town meta as scum.


I still say PQR+Varcron, unless Lag is good at replicating his town meta as scum.

okay LagAttack

you can vote blink now ^-^

[PQRnHack]

blinkskater why the hell would you vote Varcron here?

[blinkskater]

Because I think thats how a scum would react to 2 town claiming sheriff. He just bounced and didn't scumhunt to try and find which one was real.

[Lumi]

blinkskater

[blinkskater]

Also if you're town here advocating for a fast lynch/turbo... How are other town supposed to find yoy with behavior like that?

[blinkskater]

I am now at L1.

[theoneceko]

Also if you're town here advocating for a fast lynch/turbo... How are other town supposed to find yoy with behavior like that?

meh, oberon can come later after seeing you flip as scum.

im okay with turbo'ing you or waiting for your lynch. however, ur dying today no matter what

[blinkskater]

How scummy is it to actually put someone at L1 this fast :D

[Lumi]

Because there is no world in my mind where your play makes sense as a citizen.

You have to either be Sheriff, or Mafia.

And now you're saying you're not actually Sheriff... sooo that makes yoouuu...

[PQRnHack]

I think I found a slip.


i don't see why either of them would fake sheriff as villager, so i suspect both of them are mafia.


theoneceko

[blinkskater]

I could be wrong on my pqr+varcron association.

Putting someone at L1 this fast isn't town play.

LagAttack

[blinkskater]

I think I found a slip.



theoneceko

Ceko unfortunately is the only active sheriff claim.

[PQRnHack]

My vote will stand on ceko. It makes no sense for a pro player to consider a universe with the 2 mafia both claiming Sheriff.

[theoneceko]

Implying he's not hard claiming sheriff anymore.

This looks like a scum that is realizing their sheriff claim is quickly leading to them getting turbo'd so they're trying to dissolve the thunderdome

+1

i think blink retracted his sheriff claim because he realized he can't win a thunderdome against the easiest player to townread in this setup.

[PQRnHack]

Ceko unfortunately is the only active sheriff claim.

WHAT? are you rescinding yours?

[Varcron]

PQR alluded to a scenario I didn't account for, which would be a citizen claiming sheriff. That fact I think makes it pretty clear that PQR was actually claiming citizen in a cheeky way.

Varcron seems to be memeing with his Sheriff claim. If you are not just memeing, now is the time to hard claim Sheriff, Varcron

ceko and blink both seem to be hard claiming sheriff. Which is good for us, scum has a lower winrate when they try to CC the real sheriff.

Kind of pissed at blink assigning scum points to me for being annoyed at what felt like town just taking a big fat dump on my strategy - which isn't just a random strategy based on reads - it's a mathematically verifiable road-map for town to win the majority of the time. So when you get 3 sheriff claims - that means, ya either mafia is throwing by having both of them claim sheriff, or there's some citizen claiming sheriff for... reasons

And this is exactly the same kind of scumpainting he did to me last game, where he just came up with some bullshit reason to call me scum, when he was the real scum

Okay I was out for a little bit, I'm reading up again and responding to stuff

I already said in a previous post that I claimed villager and that the sheriff claim was a joke.

[blinkskater]

Because there is no world in my mind where your play makes sense as a citizen.

You have to either be Sheriff, or Mafia.

And now you're saying you're not actually Sheriff... sooo that makes yoouuu...

I don't have to be either sheriff or mafia.

I can list you my reasons for doing what i did not that you even care because you put me at L1 before I could even say them LOL.

[PQRnHack]

Okay I was out for a little bit, I'm reading up again and responding to stuff

I already said in a previous post that I claimed villager and that the sheriff claim was a joke.

Villager is not possible :)

[blinkskater]

WHAT? are you rescinding yours?

Yup

[Varcron]

i'm literally just being irrational right now, but it's wearing off ^-^

i hate blink's scum gambit, but i hope you realize only town!ceko can hate it.

Well, the problem is with him claiming sheriff and you claiming sheriff, is that one of the two of you is lying.

PQR managed to breadcrumb his real role in his "sheriff" claim and my own claim wasn't really a claim.

[PQRnHack]

blinkskater
Copy-paste the entirety of your rolecard as received from the Host. That should solve it.

[blinkskater]

blinkskater
Copy-paste the entirety of your rolecard as received from the Host. That should solve it.

Thats angle shooting.

[Varcron]

Villager is not possible :)

I'm sorry I'm still in the S-FM New Hope mindset for citizen, that's what I mean when I say villager.

[Lumi]

I could be wrong on my pqr+varcron association.

Putting someone at L1 this fast isn't town play.

LagAttack

Claiming sheriff and then saying "jk I'm not sheriff" when you're about to be lynched isn't town play.

If someone quick hammers you mid conversation that's just setting up a win-win for town. Either you are scum and the quick hammer is worth (which is what I see happening 99% of the time). Or it's scum trying to shut down conversation for the day and that hammer interrupting everyone is a big scummy thing to do in it of itself.

Putting someone at L1 this fast isn't usually town play. But in this case it is

[blinkskater]

PQRnHack if you are town here and scum hammers look at the guy taking every action ive made and aligning it with scum. Same guy put someone at L1 before Oberon even posted not even 4 hours in :). Im fine with flipping here because scum is outed.

[Varcron]

varcron

I wish Oberon were here for the past few hours with all of us, but sigh he wasn't.

Obviously with this vote you can guess what i'm actually hard claiming here =)

No, quite frankly, I can't guess what you're hard claiming.

If that's an attempt to divert the attention away from you after being moved to L-1 by some dumbass then that gives you scum credibility.

[Varcron]

There is no thunderdome untie your panties lol

What would you call it then?

A civil discussion? Lmao

[Lumi]

I don't have to be either sheriff or mafia.

I can list you my reasons for doing what i did not that you even care because you put me at L1 before I could even say them LOL.


I'd rather not discuss it at this point in time the significance of these sheriff claims.

I should have specified that I agreed with you ONLY on the fact Sheriff claiming right away increases towns WINRATE.

There were also some scenarios you left out of your "plan." FM isn't always so black and white, "Follow my plan and we win." Every player in the game can legitimately say that.


I literally asked you for these reasons before, and you just brushed it off, why the sudden change of heart??

[blinkskater]

Claiming sheriff and then saying "jk I'm not sheriff" when you're about to be lynched isn't town play.

If someone quick hammers you mid conversation that's just setting up a win-win for town. Either you are scum and the quick hammer is worth (which is what I see happening 99% of the time). Or it's scum trying to shut down conversation for the day and that hammer interrupting everyone is a big scummy thing to do in it of itself.

Putting someone at L1 this fast isn't usually town play. But in this case it is

Lmao no you didn't even ask for my reasons for doing what i did, you just auto vote me and say i cant be town because im not sheriff. You are further outting yourself as scum here.

[blinkskater]

I literally asked you for these reasons before, and you just brushed it off, why the sudden change of heart??

I was waiting for more reactions/oberon.

[Varcron]

i think you're right to tunnel blink here because he's mechanically confirmed scum. however, i think you wasted some energy because blink confirmed me as the real sheriff. he literally outed himself as scum for you.

HUH?

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS LOL

NO ONE IS MECHANICALLY CONFIRMED ANYTHING

[blinkskater]

What would you call it then?

A civil discussion? Lmao

This is far from civil im at L1 lol.

I'm not claiming sheriff anymore

[Varcron]

Because I think thats how a scum would react to 2 town claiming sheriff. He just bounced and didn't scumhunt to try and find which one was real.

That's the same way I played last game as Magus, and the game before as Citizen, and the game be- you get the point.

[Lumi]

Lmao no you didn't even ask for my reasons for doing what i did, you just auto vote me and say i cant be town because im not sheriff. You are further outting yourself as scum here.

Tell me your reasons then. I'm not stopping you from trying to explain yourself

[PQRnHack]

[vote]unvote[vote]

[PQRnHack]

unvote

[Lumi]

Taking my vote off blink for now, to let him explain himself.

unvote

[Lumi]

Go on blink, explain yourself.

[blinkskater]

The damage has been done imo.

Lemmie grab my laptop.

LTC here btw

[blinkskater]

Go on blink, explain yourself.

LOL

[Lumi]

LOL

nice explanation, real good stuff

[blinkskater]

nice explanation, real good stuff

No You

[Lumi]

k blinkskater

[blinkskater]

😂 wild L1 again no town in their right mind LOL

[blinkskater]

Now at first glance here Lag appears to be cekos partner, however if Obe doesn't claim sheriff that unfortunately makes ceko real. This case ceko is likely pre game pocketed by lag lol.

I think PQR is town here, if Obe doesn't CC sheriff he's likely town by POE. Although i don't like reading there without him even being here yet.

That would make scum with no oberon CC here Varcron+Lag.

[Lumi]

No Citizen in their right mind claims Sheriff like blink did.

Means he's either Sheriff or Mafia. But now he's not claiming Sheriff anymore. Therefore he's mafia.

If you play this game where you assume that Citizens make plays like that, then you end up losing a LOT of games to Mafia that make plays like that, because the only roles that would claim sheriff are either sheriff or mafia.

Not to mention scum~blink had a pretty clear winning strategy of thunderdome someone, then scumpaint someone else to the point of getting someone outside the thunderdome lynched.

Either you're scum, or a citizen that has lost their mind.

But you said yourself, you shouldn't assume players are trolling - so I guess I just have to assume you're scum.

[theoneceko]

I think I found a slip.



theoneceko

you deleted part of the post you quoted. also, i've already explained why i originally thought you were in a team with blink.

here is the original quote:


so, blink and pqrn claimed sheriff. i am technically a cc since i posted after them.

i don't see why either of them would fake sheriff as villager, so i suspect both of them are mafia.

lynch blink, then pqrn

here are more quotes that back up the wallpost i sent to you. they support my argument that i was just thrown off at first by your sheriff claim:


perhaps i jumped the gun too fast here. i mean, in the mod you obviously want to lynch anyone that cc's mayor. i also wanted to follow lag's strategy, which pqr shred to pieces by fake-claiming sheriff.

however, pqr just recently got townpoints bc he claimed villager faking sheriff. this was literally at the moment when i was about to say blink and pqr probably can't be a team.

you're right. my tunnel on pqr was absolute dogshit bc i completely misinterpreted his intentions

absolutely

i am the real sheriff. im pissed bc two people already claimed it before i even posted, so sorry if i'm being a bit erratic.


i understand that, but this is like frinckles getting lynched from last game. town would've been in a better spot if we didn't lynch frinckles. in this game, town will also be in a better spot if they lynch blink first instead of me.

PQRnHack since you're more likely to vote me instead of blink in this thunderdome, let me explain why your reasons for scumreading me are bad.

these are all hypothetical scenarios where i am scum:

if i am scum, i'd probably be afk rn. i hate playing scum
if i am scum and saw two town instantly claim sheriff, then i'd let them thunderdome.
if i am scum and saw one town and one scum instantly claim sheriff, then i'd let them thunderdome. if i claimed sheriff with my scummate, we would lose instantly. even if we lynched the real sheriff today, we'd just get lynched after.

~~~

you are my strongest villager read right now because i know you can't be in a team with blink. however, i fear that part of why you scumread me is because i briefly tunneled you. you voted crichard and i last game bc we scumread you, but we were both town. whenever i pushed you, you pulled off an OMGUS without actually defending yourself. i think that's a sub-optimal strategy.

i think you need to consider why i got so mad when i first came into this thread. lag would've carried last game if town just followed her lead, but we'd to suffer three mislynches before finally winning. unfortunately, the same thing is happening in this game. when i saw that there were two sheriff claims, i got worried that my sheriff claim wouldn't be as believable and that i would be mislynched.

i tunneled you partially because i was being irrational back then and because i didn't understand your strategy. i "jumped the gun" on you and put you in a team with blinkskater. however, i still said we should lynch blinkskater first.

now jump in my pocket like you did last game and vote blink.

~~~

you threw me off by being the second person to claim sheriff, then you scumread my very first posts. however, u were partially at fault for my stupid suggestion that u and blink were a team. i legitimately couldn't see why you'd fakeclaim sheriff as a villager:


why would villager fake sheriff?

varcron, who you didn't like getting voted, agreed with me:


IDK, it doesn't seem like an optimal play to me

If anything it shoots town in the foot to claim sheriff as villager

blink still dies today.

[theoneceko]

My vote will stand on ceko. It makes no sense for a pro player to consider a universe with the 2 mafia both claiming Sheriff.

i'm not a pro, wtf

[blinkskater]

Reasons for me instantly claiming sheriff when I'm LTC.

1. I wanted the real sheriff to claim ASAP and not dilly dally around and give scum a chance to have a proper plan make the CC sheriff plan.
2. I also wanted to hit scum with that news ASAP, to see how they would react before they got a chance to formulate a plan. Scum could choose not to CC here too which would be IMO smarter but I've tried this same thing before in a game called Secret Society.
3. Reactions. I believe scum would react a certain way to an early sheriff claim. I was also hoping the real sheriff would CC right away because that would make scum really uncomfortable and not really know how to react naturally. Scum would want to likely avoid looking into the 2 town sheriff claims kind of like Varcron did. Lag's reaction was also pretty telling by INSTANTLY believeing ceko, while at the same time scumpainting every post I made while not trying to figure out my alignment at all. Lag auto believed ceko there lol.
4.Mistakes. Scum here IMO reacted poorly and put me at L1 before Oberon even posted less that 6 hours into the game.
5. I knew that scum would try to run with the "LTC" claiming sheriff here would be autLHo scum. It's an easy thing for them to run with. Lag took the bait there. Make yourself appear to be scummy to out the scum, it works almost everytime. Varcron avoided the town V town sheriff claims, If Obe doesn't claim sheriff and ceko's real this makes Varcron scum. Lag took the bait and ran with the LHF hanging outta his mouth like a kid running away from the cookie jar.

TOWN
PQR
blink

Null
Oberon

Scum
Varcron
Lagattack

[PQRnHack]

As scum, it means nothing, because you already knew we were townies. As town sheriff, it is too naive to contemplate 2 mafias claiming sheriff.

[theoneceko]

PQRnHack if you are town here and scum hammers look at the guy taking every action ive made and aligning it with scum. Same guy put someone at L1 before Oberon even posted not even 4 hours in :). Im fine with flipping here because scum is outed.

awesome! so lag, you, and i are in agreement that you should be lynched.
LagAttack please unvote. i want oberon to talk first.

[Varcron]

Varcron avoided the town V town sheriff claims, If Obe doesn't claim sheriff and ceko's real this makes Varcron scum. Lag took the bait and ran with the LHF hanging outta his mouth like a kid running away from the cookie jar.

Before I have to AFK again i'll respond to this part of your message, do a more in depth later.

IRL comes first, I was out and that's why I went AWOL.

Take it as you will, not everyone sits on their phone playing FM.

[blinkskater]

Before I have to AFK again i'll respond to this part of your message, do a more in depth later.

IRL comes first, I was out and that's why I went AWOL.

Take it as you will, not everyone sits on their phone playing FM.

That's fair but I would imagine a town trying to at least figure out which claim is real, after claims like that.

[theoneceko]

As scum, it means nothing, because you already knew we were townies. As town sheriff, it is too naive to contemplate 2 mafias claiming sheriff.

you're right. i'll do better.

it seems like playing emotionally hurts me more than it helps me ;W;

[blinkskater]

As scum, it means nothing, because you already knew we were townies. As town sheriff, it is too naive to contemplate 2 mafias claiming sheriff.

since I'm pretty sure you're town here ceko being real or not is one hundred percent dependent on Oberons claim. Don't you think there's a mathematical possibility that could happen?

Why would a player like Lag who's all %'s and probabilities, ignore that % chance and put someone at L1 as town?

While also assuming ceko is 100% Sheriff without 1/6 of the game even playing?

[theoneceko]

Reasons for me instantly claiming sheriff when I'm LTC.

1. I wanted the real sheriff to claim ASAP and not dilly dally around and give scum a chance to have a proper plan make the CC sheriff plan.
2. I also wanted to hit scum with that news ASAP, to see how they would react before they got a chance to formulate a plan. Scum could choose not to CC here too which would be IMO smarter but I've tried this same thing before in a game called Secret Society.
3. Reactions. I believe scum would react a certain way to an early sheriff claim. I was also hoping the real sheriff would CC right away because that would make scum really uncomfortable and not really know how to react naturally. Scum would want to likely avoid looking into the 2 town sheriff claims kind of like Varcron did. Lag's reaction was also pretty telling by INSTANTLY believeing ceko, while at the same time scumpainting every post I made while not trying to figure out my alignment at all. Lag auto believed ceko there lol.
4.Mistakes. Scum here IMO reacted poorly and put me at L1 before Oberon even posted less that 6 hours into the game.
5. I knew that scum would try to run with the "LTC" claiming sheriff here would be autLHo scum. It's an easy thing for them to run with. Lag took the bait there. Make yourself appear to be scummy to out the scum, it works almost everytime. Varcron avoided the town V town sheriff claims, If Obe doesn't claim sheriff and ceko's real this makes Varcron scum. Lag took the bait and ran with the LHF hanging outta his mouth like a kid running away from the cookie jar.

TOWN
PQR
blink

Null
Oberon

Scum
Varcron
Lagattack

i'm still trying to figure out why you're so chill. i usually lynch really good players because i can't deal with them being scum, but there's a very small chance i won't lynch u today.

[blinkskater]

LagAttack i'm waiting for you to scum paint all my reasons for doing what I did as scummy and I can't ever be town : D

[theoneceko]

also, what is LTC?

[theoneceko]

like, wouldn't scum!blink just power-wolf here? that wallpost may have explained his chill tone all game.

[blinkskater]

i'm still trying to figure out why you're so chill. i usually lynch really good players because i can't deal with them being scum, but there's a very small chance i won't lynch u today.

I will entertain you as 100% real depending on Oberons claim.

That being said, what do you take of LagAttacks tunnel and aggressive tone against me?

[Lumi]

Reasons for me instantly claiming sheriff when I'm LTC.

1. I wanted the real sheriff to claim ASAP and not dilly dally around and give scum a chance to have a proper plan make the CC sheriff plan.
2. I also wanted to hit scum with that news ASAP, to see how they would react before they got a chance to formulate a plan. Scum could choose not to CC here too which would be IMO smarter but I've tried this same thing before in a game called Secret Society.
3. Reactions. I believe scum would react a certain way to an early sheriff claim. I was also hoping the real sheriff would CC right away because that would make scum really uncomfortable and not really know how to react naturally. Scum would want to likely avoid looking into the 2 town sheriff claims kind of like Varcron did. Lag's reaction was also pretty telling by INSTANTLY believeing ceko, while at the same time scumpainting every post I made while not trying to figure out my alignment at all. Lag auto believed ceko there lol.
4. Mistakes. Scum here IMO reacted poorly and put me at L1 before Oberon even posted less that 6 hours into the game.
5. I knew that scum would try to run with the "LTC" claiming sheriff here would be autLHo scum. It's an easy thing for them to run with. Lag took the bait there. Make yourself appear to be scummy to out the scum, it works almost everytime. Varcron avoided the town V town sheriff claims, If Obe doesn't claim sheriff and ceko's real this makes Varcron scum. Lag took the bait and ran with the LHF hanging outta his mouth like a kid running away from the cookie jar.

TOWN
PQR
blink

Null
Oberon

Scum
Varcron
Lagattack

Scum CCing as Sheriff is good for town - as I said in my very first post, them doing that increases our winrate from 50% to 62.5%. This point is moot.

Exact same point as #1, just dressed up in a different way. We WANT scum to CC Sheriff, that's a GOOD thing

I literally made a wall post earlier in the thread EXPLAINING WHY I BELIEVED CEKO OVER YOU. Again another empty point

Because every post you made came off as scummy. You kept trying to bring attention to people outside the thunderdome, you were critical of the (currently) un-CC'd Sheriff without wanting to commit to lynching ceko day 1. And then you un-claimed Sheriff. A play that makes no sense as anything but scum, this is another empty point.

You mean town put you at L-1 because you objectively have made extremely suspect plays?

Another ridiculous point, I literally said, day 1 what the strategy was - if two people claim Sheriff, we lynch one in the thunderdome, NO EXCEPTIONS. And then two people claimed Sheriff, and one of them appeared very scummy to me, and one appeared not scummy. And then the one that appeared very scummy to me suddenly retracted their Sheriff claim - exactly what a scum claiming Sheriff would do when they realized their gambit to steal a win was backfiring

You've made literally no good points.

Not to mention you literally did the exact same thing to me last game, scum paint me early on and then call me scum when I tunnel on you. (Although in this case this isn't even a tunnel, you claimed Sheriff, started a thunderdome, and are now trying to get out)

[Lumi]

unvote

[theoneceko]

I will entertain you as 100% real depending on Oberons claim.

That being said, what do you take of LagAttacks tunnel and aggressive tone against me?

meh

bro i can't tell why i believe you more than lag in this game ;W;. in the last game, it was the opposite way around ;W;

[blinkskater]

like, wouldn't scum!blink just power-wolf here? that wallpost may have explained his chill tone all game.

Ceko just because I powerwolf every game doesn't mean I'm scum everygame, I play the same way as town and scum ask anyone (Post game obviously)

[Lumi]

also, what is LTC?

Lazy Town Citizen

[theoneceko]

Scum CCing as Sheriff is good for town - as I said in my very first post, them doing that increases our winrate from 50% to 62.5%. This point is moot.

Exact same point as #1, just dressed up in a different way. We WANT scum to CC Sheriff, that's a GOOD thing

I literally made a wall post earlier in the thread EXPLAINING WHY I BELIEVED CEKO OVER YOU. Again another empty point

Because every post you made came off as scummy. You kept trying to bring attention to people outside the thunderdome, you were critical of the (currently) un-CC'd Sheriff without wanting to commit to lynching ceko day 1. And then you un-claimed Sheriff. A play that makes no sense as anything but scum, this is another empty point.

You mean town put you at L-1 because you objectively have made extremely suspect plays?

Another ridiculous point, I literally said, day 1 what the strategy was - if two people claim Sheriff, we lynch one in the thunderdome, NO EXCEPTIONS. And then two people claimed Sheriff, and one of them appeared very scummy to me, and one appeared not scummy. And then the one that appeared very scummy to me suddenly retracted their Sheriff claim - exactly what a scum claiming Sheriff would do when they realized their gambit to steal a win was backfiring

You've made literally no good points.

Not to mention you literally did the exact same thing to me last game, scum paint me early on and then call me scum when I tunnel on you. (Although in this case this isn't even a tunnel, you claimed Sheriff, started a thunderdome, and are now trying to get out)

okay, keep defending urself xD. i forgot about ur wall that explained why i was the bestest sheriff claim and bink-o was bad boi uwu

[blinkskater]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I was exaclty right about Lag's response

YeeeeeT

[Lumi]

Scum CCing as Sheriff is good for town - as I said in my very first post, them doing that increases our winrate from 50% to 62.5%. This point is moot.

Exact same point as #1, just dressed up in a different way. We WANT scum to CC Sheriff, that's a GOOD thing

I literally made a wall post earlier in the thread EXPLAINING WHY I BELIEVED CEKO OVER YOU. Again another empty point

Because every post you made came off as scummy. You kept trying to bring attention to people outside the thunderdome, you were critical of the (currently) un-CC'd Sheriff without wanting to commit to lynching ceko day 1. And then you un-claimed Sheriff. A play that makes no sense as anything but scum, this is another empty point.

You mean town put you at L-1 because you objectively have made extremely suspect plays?

Another ridiculous point, I literally said, day 1 what the strategy was - if two people claim Sheriff, we lynch one in the thunderdome, NO EXCEPTIONS. And then two people claimed Sheriff, and one of them appeared very scummy to me, and one appeared not scummy. And then the one that appeared very scummy to me suddenly retracted their Sheriff claim - exactly what a scum claiming Sheriff would do when they realized their gambit to steal a win was backfiring

You've made literally no good points.

Not to mention you literally did the exact same thing to me last game, scum paint me early on and then call me scum when I tunnel on you. (Although in this case this isn't even a tunnel, you claimed Sheriff, started a thunderdome, and are now trying to get out)

theoneceko
read this please ;w;

[blinkskater]

Facts:
I lied about being sheriff
PQR lied about being sheriff
I've scum hunted and pushed at every single player.
Lag put me on L1 twice without Oberon even posting.
Ceko is Un CC'D Sheriff.

[blinkskater]

In this type of setup reactions and voting are key.

[theoneceko]

Ceko just because I powerwolf every game doesn't mean I'm scum everygame, I play the same way as town and scum ask anyone (Post game obviously)

i've never seen u stumble over ur words so much. are u drunk? there's no reason not to ask ppl their thoughts on ur meta.
Varcron PQRnHack Oberon

does blink play the same as town and scum?

[theoneceko]

theoneceko
read this please ;w;

i did ;W;

[Lumi]

i did ;W;

His entire defense was scumpainting me. Why do you laugh at me defending myself in response D:

[blinkskater]

i've never seen u stumble over ur words so much. are u drunk? there's no reason not to ask ppl their thoughts on ur meta.
Varcron PQRnHack Oberon

does blink play the same as town and scum?

What? What am I stumbling over exaclty? I've only had some beer not drunk at this present time no.

You had questions about me powerwolfing, ask players post game if your interested in how i play the game.

[theoneceko]

In this type of setup reactions and voting are key.

what about committing to your sheriff claim when i asked you, then saying "uwu i'm not a sheriff" when you get to l-1?

the only way blink can win as scum is through wifom. this quote is a great example of blink creating more wifom OWO

[PQRnHack]

also, what is LTC?

LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH!!!

[blinkskater]

I'm scum reading you Lag because you placed a player on L1 less then 6 hours into the day without even one player posting yet that could possibly claim sheriff. You've done this before I've even posted the reasons for doing what I've done.

After our chat post game if you think I would do to you as scum what I did the first game then you must've not believed a word I said to you.

[theoneceko]

His entire defense was scumpainting me. Why do you laugh at me defending myself in response D:

he also threw shade at varcron, pqr, and me ufu
i wasn't laughing at you. i was laughing at the fact you cleared things up for me OWO

[Lumi]

THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE WAY TO PLAY THIS SAVE:
SHERIFF PUBLICALLY REVEALS

IF NO ONE COUNTER CLAIMS, GREAT, SHERIFF LEADS TOWN.

IF YOU GET TWO SHERIFF CLAIMS, EVEN BETTER, YOU LYNCH ONE SINCE THEY ARE SCUM AND THE OTHER IS REAL SHERIFF.

THAT WHOLE STRATEGY DOESN'T WORK IF YOU LET ONE OF THE COUNTER CLAIMS OUT OF IT. THAT'S HOW YOU LET MAFIA WIN MORE OFTEN THAN TOWN - THAT'S WHY HELZ SAID IN THE SETUP THREAD THAT HE THINKS THE SAVE IS TOO SCUM FAVORED - BECAUSE PEOPLE GET COLD FEET AND LET SCUM GET AWAY WITH SHIT.


But fuck me for wanting to stick to the optimal strategy, right? Apparently wanting to stick to the optimal strategy to win and pushing hard for the person I read to be far scummy in the thunderdome makes me scum.

[blinkskater]

what about committing to your sheriff claim when i asked you, then saying "uwu i'm not a sheriff" when you get to l-1?

the only way blink can win as scum is through wifom. this quote is a great example of blink creating more wifom OWO

On L1 I'd literally be game throwing if I kept my sheriff claim when I'm an LTC.

[theoneceko]

What? What am I stumbling over exaclty? I've only had some beer not drunk at this present time no.

You had questions about me powerwolfing, ask players post game if your interested in how i play the game.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

you are playing differently from last game. so if no one talks about ur meta, i'll just treat u like zzorange and lynch you. if you're town, your lynch will still yield lots of info. varcron is probably going next if you're town.

[theoneceko]

THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE WAY TO PLAY THIS SAVE:
SHERIFF PUBLICALLY REVEALS

IF NO ONE COUNTER CLAIMS, GREAT, SHERIFF LEADS TOWN.

IF YOU GET TWO SHERIFF CLAIMS, EVEN BETTER, YOU LYNCH ONE SINCE THEY ARE SCUM AND THE OTHER IS REAL SHERIFF.

THAT WHOLE STRATEGY DOESN'T WORK IF YOU LET ONE OF THE COUNTER CLAIMS OUT OF IT. THAT'S HOW YOU LET MAFIA WIN MORE OFTEN THAN TOWN - THAT'S WHY HELZ SAID IN THE SETUP THREAD THAT HE THINKS THE SAVE IS TOO SCUM FAVORED - BECAUSE PEOPLE GET COLD FEET AND LET SCUM GET AWAY WITH SHIT.


But fuck me for wanting to stick to the optimal strategy, right? Apparently wanting to stick to the optimal strategy to win and pushing hard for the person I read to be far scummy in the thunderdome makes me scum.

UWU!!!

[theoneceko]

okay im sticking with my blink vote. just wait for oberon to post

[blinkskater]

UWU!!!

UWU HEWO

[Lumi]

he also threw shade at varcron, pqr, and me ufu
i wasn't laughing at you. i was laughing at the fact you cleared things up for me OWO

I'm talking his defense in that post - first two points were objective points.

Point 3 was one quip about Varcron then the rest about me. Point 4 was about me putting him at L-1. Point 5 was another couple of quips about Varcron and then the rest about me.

IMO his points about Varcron were kind of non-sense too since Varcron literally said he had real life stuff in another post. But Varcron is a null read for me and I want Varcron to defend himself to give me more reads on him.

[theoneceko]

lag is a genuinely pissed-off townie

[blinkskater]

lag is a genuinely pissed-off townie

maybe by appearance but to me his actions were telling

[theoneceko]

maybe by appearance but to me his actions were telling

ur actions were more telling lol.

"i'M a ShArIfF"

>_< uwu uwu!!!

[PQRnHack]

So either both Blink and Ceko are town (L-2) OR mafia is choosing not to dump their 2 votes and out themselves OR Oberon is also Mafia.

[blinkskater]

ur actions were more telling lol.

"i'M a ShArIfF"

>_< uwu uwu!!!

Yes I fake claimed instantly during day one to reaction test that is correct.

[blinkskater]

So either both Blink and Ceko are town (L-2) OR mafia is choosing not to dump their 2 votes and out themselves OR Oberon is also Mafia.

Or scum had two votes on me and Oberon is Sheriff

[theoneceko]

So either both Blink and Ceko are town (L-2) OR mafia is choosing not to dump their 2 votes and out themselves OR Oberon is also Mafia.

??

varc is at l-2, not me.

[blinkskater]

I'll let you all discuss this further I'm fine with being lynched.

HOWEVER. I ask for the 48 hours because I want to be able to give my solve before I'm lynched in case host is to lazy for LW's

[blinkskater]

unvote

Cya

[PQRnHack]

??

varc is at l-2, not me.

my bad

theonecneko

[theoneceko]

I'll let you all discuss this further I'm fine with being lynched.

HOWEVER. I ask for the 48 hours because I want to be able to give my solve before I'm lynched in case host is to lazy for LW's

^-^

sure, as long as u die today

[Varcron]

i've never seen u stumble over ur words so much. are u drunk? there's no reason not to ask ppl their thoughts on ur meta.
Varcron PQRnHack Oberon

does blink play the same as town and scum?

Well.... To me at least he kind of does

I've not analyzed his meta much so this would probably be more of a Oberon question

Except yes there are similarities to how both scum and town blink speak.

[Varcron]

he also threw shade at varcron, pqr, and me ufu
i wasn't laughing at you. i was laughing at the fact you cleared things up for me OWO

Yeah this is 100% right from Ceko

I think lag overreacted by saying that it was only him that was getting shit thrown towards them, it was a group of us.

Do I think the amount of shit thrown was out of desperation? I kind of do, and that's why I'm not ruling out voting blink, however I don't think turbo is the way to go in any scenario with Lazy

IMO scum!blink I could see fake claiming sheriff and doing exactly what he did as a high risk-reward play.

[Varcron]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I was exaclty right about Lag's response

YeeeeeT

He did this last game too though

Over-defended as soon as he was attacked, we had this same situation go down when you were scum and he was town.

[Varcron]

maybe by appearance but to me his actions were telling

As a new player I kind of expect the overreactions especially as town

I'm kind of surprised you don't feel the same way about it.

[Varcron]

So either both Blink and Ceko are town (L-2) OR mafia is choosing not to dump their 2 votes and out themselves OR Oberon is also Mafia.

Quite frankly I don't see a world where both Ceko and blink are town at this point in the game

If scum did this I'd have to give them the big silver star for effort


Hasn't spoken, can't infer anything on him.

[Oberon]

I HARDCLAIM GODFATHER
NERDS

[Oberon]

@Oberon (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=45595) you will be missed
Obreon
Nooo

[Varcron]

I HARDCLAIM GODFATHER
NERDS

GETTEEEEEM

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE -vote Oberon

You got some reading to do my guy lol

[Oberon]

I think I found a slip.



theoneceko
Why do we have 3 sheriff claims?

[Varcron]

Why do we have 3 sheriff claims?

PQR worded one of his phrases such that his "sheriff" claim actually makes him villager

Very smart breadcrumb by him

There was a ceko V Blink thunder dome that resolved fairly recently, you'll see that soon.

[Oberon]

blinkskater you dropped your sheriff claim, right? why did you claim sheriff?

[Oberon]

This is not a real vote. But I have 2 questions for you smart people.
1) Would this be potentially bannable (angleshoot or wahtever you wanna call it)
2) What Easter egg exists (one that was not necessary)?

-vote bIinkskater
Would what be bannable?

[Oberon]

Yeah I only claimed sheriff because 3 of you apes decided to claim it, I thought PQR and Ceko were joking lol, except it looks to me like PQR did a big brain in his claim and is now a solid town in my book for it.

My real claim is villager
Varcron
Claiming Sheriff and then unclaiming it is kinda wolfy. You standing by the reasons here?

[Varcron]

Varcron
Claiming Sheriff and then unclaiming it is kinda wolfy. You standing by the reasons here?

I stand by it

Especially considering I have not been pushing hard on anyone as much as creating discussion


BD1 (Like six hours ago now) Blink, PQ, and ceko claimed sheriff. I thought there was no way of all of them being serious, so I did it for a meme aswell before retracting it a few minutes later.

[Oberon]

I stand by it

Especially considering I have not been pushing hard on anyone as much as creating discussion


BD1 (Like six hours ago now) Blink, PQ, and ceko claimed sheriff. I thought there was no way of all of them being serious, so I did it for a meme aswell before retracting it a few minutes later.
So it’s not you trolling and then getting scum goosebumps over getting lynched? It’s all just trolling?

[PQRnHack]

Oberon don't vote early, it's L-3 for all (and mafia have 2 votes)

[Oberon]

i'm literally just being irrational right now, but it's wearing off ^-^

i hate blink's scum gambit, but i hope you realize only town!ceko can hate it.
What scum gambit is it to claim a CC’able role?