Witch Veteran Bug

[Yodaddy2]

Let me run this down and please skip to Night 4.

1 is Witch
4 is Veteran
5 is Sheriff
8 is Bus Driver
11 is Liaison
13 is Dragonhead

Witch controls Sheriff to visit Veteran.
Veteran goes on alert.
Sheriff checks Bus Driver.
Liaison and Dragonhead both roleblock and kill Bus Driver.

Somehow Witch dies by visiting Sheriff. Can I understand why Witch died in this scenario?
PS: I was Witch and I got robbed a win.


Replay: 27925

[Oberon]

I believe you were bussed with the Sheriff, which made you effectively control yourself into visiting the Veteran.

That being said, you being bussed implies that the order of the roleblocking/controlling/target swapping actions is always randomized, even if no paradox resulted from the night actions.
Logically speaking, the Bus Driver should've been role blocked by the Liaison - but it appears that he was not.
I doubt this is WAD.

The way I thought it worked was that when a paradox occurs resulting from Bus Driver/Witch/Escort interactions, the game effectively randomises the order of the night operations.
But no paradox occurred here: if the Escort role blocked the Bus Driver, then he 100% couldn't bus you. So this shouldn't have happened.

I wonder if this bug can be reproduced in the absence of a Witch.

[Auwt]

* Target switches and role-blockers
Priority order is Witches, Bus Drivers, then role-blockers (Escort or Consort). It then repeats that cycle a random number of times to deal with complicated webs of events and paradoxes.

[OzyWho]

* Target switches and role-blockers
Priority order is Witches, Bus Drivers, then role-blockers (Escort or Consort). It then repeats that cycle a random number of times to deal with complicated webs of events and paradoxes.
This explanation works.
1 thing though:
Feedback, apparently, uses a different OoO because BD did get the RBd feedback while 1 and 5 didn't get the BD feedback.
:laugh:

[Oberon]

This explanation works.
1 thing though:
Feedback, apparently, uses a different OoO because BD did get the RBd feedback while 1 and 5 didn't get the BD feedback.
:laugh:
Yea. Lol

[Renegade]

* Target switches and role-blockers
Priority order is Witches, Bus Drivers, then role-blockers (Escort or Consort). It then repeats that cycle a random number of times to deal with complicated webs of events and paradoxes.

Nooooo random is no fun.

Must be deterministic!

Like the universe.

[Yodaddy2]

I believe you were bussed with the Sheriff, which made you effectively control yourself into visiting the Veteran.

That being said, you being bussed implies that the order of the roleblocking/controlling/target swapping actions is always randomized, even if no paradox resulted from the night actions.
Logically speaking, the Bus Driver should've been role blocked by the Liaison - but it appears that he was not.
I doubt this is WAD.

The way I thought it worked was that when a paradox occurs resulting from Bus Driver/Witch/Escort interactions, the game effectively randomises the order of the night operations.
But no paradox occurred here: if the Escort role blocked the Bus Driver, then he 100% couldn't bus you. So this shouldn't have happened.

I wonder if this bug can be reproduced in the absence of a Witch.

Bus diver was roleblocked by the Liaison though and during that night Bus driver bussed me with Dragonhead. So I still do not understand why I the Witch died.

[Auwt]

Bus diver was roleblocked by the Liaison though and during that night Bus driver bussed me with Dragonhead. So I still do not understand why I the Witch died.

BD swapped you with the Sheriff didn't he ?

[Yodaddy2]

BD swapped you with the Sheriff didn't he ?


No, Bus driver switched Witch with Dragonhead. But that shouldn’t matter because Bus driver gets roleblocked by Liaison.

[OzyWho]

No, Bus driver switched Witch with Dragonhead. But that shouldn’t matter because Bus driver gets roleblocked by Liaison.
He changed his target last few seconds.
He did switch you with 5.

Feedback and actual action seem to have a slightly different OoO in regards to RB and BD, hence why there were false feedbacks.

[DJarJar]

a ride back in time
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/41424-Arsonist-dousing-instead-of-burning?highlight=arsonist+doused+people