Determinism and Free Will

[Ganelon]

Do you believe the universe is deterministic? If so, what does that mean for free will?
personally I strongly believe in determinism, and I think that free will can still exist in a deterministic world (although please don’t ask me to explain why)

[yzb25]

If particles truly exhibit random behaviour on the quantum level then determinism is scientifically wrong. And at this point that very much seems to be the case, from what I understand.

[Ganelon]

I was thinking of QM when I wrote that post.
its also entirely possible that we’ve reached the limits of human understanding (for now), and hence events that are actually deterministic (if you look hard enough) appear to be mostly random to us

[Sylvanas]

QM? Quantum mechanics? Are you so familiar with that subject that you gave it a little nickname?

[yzb25]

QM? Quantum mechanics? Are you so familiar with that subject that you gave it a little nickname?

It's a commonly used acronym :P

[Ganelon]

I’m not familiar with it intimately, but it’s a fairly standard acronym iirc

[yzb25]

I was thinking of QM when I wrote that post.
its also entirely possible that we’ve reached the limits of human understanding (for now), and hence events that are actually deterministic (if you look hard enough) appear to be mostly random to us

It's kinda interesting how unnatural the idea that the universe is governed by truly random phenomena is to human beings. I wonder whether that's based in some genuine insight or just something to do with how we're programmed.

[yzb25]

It's kinda interesting how unnatural the idea that the universe is governed by truly random phenomena is to human beings. I wonder whether that's based in some genuine insight or just something to do with how we're programmed.

Like, my natural assumption was the same as yours that it's a deterministic process that currently appears random. I'm guessing that's most people's first guess

[Sylvanas]

It's a commonly used acronym :P
Hm, maybe I don't spend enough time just kind of casually daydreaming about quantum mechanics like all the cool kids.

I think the universe is a random mess and so are we.

[Ganelon]

It's kinda interesting how unnatural the idea that the universe is governed by truly random phenomena is to human beings. I wonder whether that's based in some genuine insight or just something to do with how we're programmed.
good point.

[rumox]

I see it as a blend. Determinism is macro and free will is micro kinda thing

[rumox]

Our biology compels us to eat for example. How we eat or if we choose to eat is handled by free will.

[Apocist]

Apo recommends you watch Devs