Name one good thing that Donald Trump has done...

[Ash]

I'll wait.

[BananaCucho]

I'm sure he has, on at least one occasion, tipped his waiter?

...actually probably not

[Ganelon]

The recent SpaceX collab mission? :P

Also the NASA budget nowadays is almost as high as it was during the Apollo program

[Ganelon]

Also holy shit I just checked your FM history. You actually played the Jesus FM, damn lol.

[Voss]

The recent SpaceX collab mission? :P

Also the NASA budget nowadays is almost as high as it was during the Apollo program

I'm not sure what percentage of "blame" you can lay on the president vs congress is, but i can't say that the president didn't do anything.

[Ganelon]

yeah I’m also curious how much of that is due to him tbh
i can only hope they’ll continue to pour money into space exploration.
why can’t they announce a 5$ dollar/month tax on everyone in America for just space exploration?
hell I would even agree to pay for it myself. 5 * 300,000,000 = 1.5 billion $ per month
thats around 3/2 * 12 = 24 billion USD per year. 120 USD in just 5 years, yo.
assuming you can get people from Europe to pay for it as well and assuming that 10% do, that’s another 60,000,000 people paying for it.

[Ganelon]

just imagine a system where you get to decide where, say, 20% of your taxes go (with the rest being fixed)
i would literally just pour all of it into space exploration if I could.

[BananaCucho]

yeah I’m also curious how much of that is due to him tbh
i can only hope they’ll continue to pour money into space exploration.
why can’t they announce a 5$ dollar/month tax on everyone in America for just space exploration?
hell I would even agree to pay for it myself. 5 * 300,000,000 = 1.5 billion $ per month
thats around 3/2 * 12 = 24 billion USD per year. 120 USD in just 5 years, yo.
assuming you can get people from Europe to pay for it as well and assuming that 10% do, that’s another 60,000,000 people paying for it.

Yeah I'm sure his base will love a proposition for higher taxes.

[oops_ur_dead]

Also the NASA budget nowadays is almost as high as it was during the Apollo program

This is actually fake news lmao.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/feb/01/nasa-budgets-us-spending-space-travel

This goes up to 2010, but you can see 2020's and 2019's values here:

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fy_2021_budget_book_508.pdf

In terms of absolute inflation-adjusted value, the US is currently spending about half of what it was during the peak of the Apollo program. In terms of percentage of federal budget, it's about 1/9th of what the US was spending.

In fact 2019 was tied with 2017 for the lowest NASA spending as percentage of federal budget since the Apollo program.

[yzb25]

He at least tried to have peace talks with Kim Jong Un. Came the closest of any US president in recent memory to securing a lasting peace. Hell of a lot better than Obama's approach at least.

[Sylvanas]

He eliminated the threat of space ISIS before it appeared. Anything that can be said about his corona response, he did the opposite about space terrorism.

Also this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CyU65RpQr8

[oops_ur_dead]

Hard mode: Name one good thing that Donald Trump has done that wasn't also bipartisan or aligning with typical Democrat positions.

[Ganelon]

True, the value is low. But the Trump administration presented a 25$ billion budget that would’ve been one of it è largest increases in years (around 12%). The house didn’t accept it. So it seems that is NOT trumps fault ;P

https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/7/21315970/nasa-artemis-moon-program-house-appropriations-bill-budget

[BananaCucho]

True, the value is low. But the Trump administration presented a 25$ billion budget that would’ve been one of it è largest increases in years (around 12%). The house didn’t accept it. So it seems that is NOT trumps fault ;P

https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/7/21315970/nasa-artemis-moon-program-house-appropriations-bill-budget

Presenting a budget that gets rejected is not an accomplishment

[yzb25]

Hard mode: Name one good thing that Donald Trump has done that wasn't also bipartisan or aligning with typical Democrat positions.

Adding rules after the fact isn't fair >:(

[Ganelon]

I mean the budget didn’t get accepted, but it was still one of the largest increases in years - only 3billion short of what he wanted

[DJarJar]

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

[BananaCucho]

I mean the budget didn’t get accepted, but it was still one of the largest increases in years - only 3billion short of what he wanted

Name a good thing he has DONE

Not TRIED to do and failed lol

[Ganelon]

I’d be very skeptical of a website that just shows ‘promises’ and etc

[DJarJar]

You could just read it, it’s a decently rated neutral source. I was actually sharing that while his record is worse, he has still kept some promises

[DJarJar]

As an example of the neutrality:
“Make no cuts to social security” is listed as a promise by trump.
It then says “trump proposed cuts, but congress didn’t bite”

They still list it as “promise kept” since technically there have not been cuts.

[Ganelon]

He at least tried to have peace talks with Kim Jong Un. Came the closest of any US president in recent memory to securing a lasting peace. Hell of a lot better than Obama's approach at least.
You have some very interesting political views.

[DJarJar]

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-sanders/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/mike-pence/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/paul-ryan/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/john-mccain/


if it helps, compare mccain and ryan with trump


edit: and i would probably ignore mostly true, half true, mostly false, as there is room for subjectivity in those categories. Statements that are 100% true or 100% false are a bit harder to argue with.

[Renegade]

He at least tried to have peace talks with Kim Jong Un. Came the closest of any US president in recent memory to securing a lasting peace. Hell of a lot better than Obama's approach at least.

He secured absolutely nothing but giving a strongman a photo-op and legitimacy.

[Voss]

As many could guess here, I'm not a fan of trump, but I think it might be interesting to find something that Trump did that was a good thing.

[Voss]

Name a good thing he has DONE

Not TRIED to do and failed lol


As an example of the neutrality:
“Make no cuts to social security” is listed as a promise by trump.
It then says “trump proposed cuts, but congress didn’t bite”

They still list it as “promise kept” since technically there have not been cuts.

so these are interesting. he tried and failed to cut social security, even though he promised he wouldn't. he also tried and failed to secure more funding to nasa.

so a good thing and a bad thing. i guess which is worse? (is this derailing?)

[DJarJar]

Declared China a currency manipulator
Ensure funding historic black colleges
Use US steel for infrastructure projects
Lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign govs
Increase veterans’ healthcare

Are all promises marked as kept

[Sylvanas]

if it helps, compare mccain and ryan with trump


edit: and i would probably ignore mostly true, half true, mostly false, as there is room for subjectivity in those categories. Statements that are 100% true or 100% false are a bit harder to argue with.
Although there are "winners" there, the general state of things is pretty dreadful. I'm shocked (not really).

[Ganelon]

dont get me wrong theres better presidents out there than trump (Reagan). trump for me is just the first good president the US has had in years

[oops_ur_dead]

I'm still waiting...

[oops_ur_dead]

I hope Christianity is real so I can have the satisfaction of knowing that Ronald Reagan is burning in hell. He is a parasite that ruined millions of lives and oppressed millions more with his drug policies. I wish the first assassination attempt on him had succeeded so he could have done less damage.

[rumox]

I thought it was cool when he ordered all that maccas for them sport kids. Love me a greasy burger

[yzb25]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU

[oops_ur_dead]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU

Based

[Ganelon]

I hope Christianity is real so I can have the satisfaction of knowing that Ronald Reagan is burning in hell. He is a parasite that ruined millions of lives and oppressed millions more with his drug policies. I wish the first assassination attempt on him had succeeded so he could have done less damage.
you know, for someone who claims to be on the center, you sure do hate right wing leaders with a passion :P

[Ganelon]

but yeah, President Trumps one of the first to give a shit about space exploration in a very long time. NASA kind of likes him, and he’s pretty much forced them to go back to the moon much sooner than they intended, in preparation for a Mars mission.

[oops_ur_dead]

you know, for someone who claims to be on the center, you sure do hate right wing leaders with a passion :P

I've never claimed to be on the center, except for economically, where I'm very pro-free market. I actually don't particularly like centrists.

I abhor authoritarianism and conservatism though.

There are a few right-wing leaders I respect. To name a few, Angela Merkel, Robert Borden, and Brian Mulroney.

[Ash]

Ganelon claims Trump is one of the better presidents the US has had in recent years, but I still haven't seen a single good thing that Donald Trump has done? This has to be a meme, right?

If Trump was a better president than previous recent presidents, you should at least be able to name a few good things, rather than come up with space exploration when he obviously failed to do anything for NASA.

I mean, at least for the previous administration I could very easily come up with a few good things. But for Trump it actually seems like he's done nothing.

[Renegade]

Ganelon claims Trump is one of the better presidents the US has had in recent years, but I still haven't seen a single good thing that Donald Trump has done? This has to be a meme, right?

If Trump was a better president than previous recent presidents, you should at least be able to name a few good things, rather than come up with space exploration when he obviously failed to do anything for NASA.

I mean, at least for the previous administration I could very easily come up with a few good things. But for Trump it actually seems like he's done nothing.

Trying to kill Obamacare in the middle of a pandemic? Exposing 25 million to loss of health insurance in January and 330 million to 'pre-existing condition' exceptions for insurance companies.

Even fighting for it is an achievement (for whom? :) )!

[Sylvanas]

I hope Christianity is real so I can have the satisfaction of knowing that Ronald Reagan is burning in hell. He is a parasite that ruined millions of lives and oppressed millions more with his drug policies. I wish the first assassination attempt on him had succeeded so he could have done less damage.
There's only one hell princess, the one we live in.

[BananaCucho]

Oh cool, my posts were deleted

[Voss]

Woops forgot to say that I deleted the posts to try to bring the thread back to on topic. Let's talk in pms banana

[BananaCucho]

Yeah I got a big one I'm typing up right now

[Sylvanas]

Even Adolf Hitler did some good things. He was the guy that killed Hitler.

[HentaiManOfPeace]

Maintained Obama's economic growth trajectory pre-COVID-19, meaning lowest unemployment numbers and higher median household incomes in 50 years.