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[Stealthbomber16]

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Rules
All standard SFM rules apply.
All bets are off.
If you go inactive I give your IP to a middle schooler who likes to DDoS things.
I am making addendums and small changes to this setup for the second run. All changes are written in red.

The Boring Shit
48 hour days.
24 hour nights.
Last wills allowed.
Death notes are required. Failure to submit one with your killing action will result in public shaming.
Suicide is allowed.
Lynch is host's choice, although I recommend plurality or condorcet to force lynches.

Special Mechanics
The game will be played on anonymous accounts.
Upon signing up, the players will send a rolecard and a picture that they made in MSPaint (preferably low quality) to the host. Your image will be used as your avatar and can have no correlation with your role if you choose.
The rolecards submitted will be administered throughout the game. Each rolecard will be used.
Failure to submit a rolecard or mspaint art will result in me drawing or making something for you.
Rolecards may be edited for balance reasons but that's boring as fuck don't worry. You won't be notified if your rolecard is edited.
Upon a player's death, the rolecard they received and the rolecard they submitted will be revealed.
After 50% of the game's players have died, the dead players may vote to decide to reveal all of the rolecards. However, if they choose to do so, I'll create some additional fake rolecards of my own to put in there. After their rolecard is revealed, players may still not say which one they submitted.
Player's anonymous account names will be given by showing the pictures to my friend's younger sibling and having him pick the names. Hopefully they aren't all related to minecraft or roblox.
The winners will receive MS paint art created by the host.
The MVP will receive a $10 roblox gift card.

Rolecard rules
Your rolecard should not be balanced for a specific faction. There will be a town and a single mafia faction this game, and additional neutrals as I see fit. I'm not confirming this anymore. There will be a town. There will be at least one non-town. Have fun.
I will hand balance the game with the roles submitted. God help us all.
Unlike other thousand rolecard games, you cannot reroll your roll.
Wording issues in your rolecard can and will be exploited.
Your rolecard can be as complex as you'd like. I welcome it. Did you see the shit I submitted for 1.5krc? shits busted Please keep your rolecard under 750 words. If you wish to go over or if you have more complex mechanics that genuinely need more words, contact the host.
You are not allowed to share the role you submitted in any chats. Day, night or factional. If you do, I will smite you.
Keep in mind that
1. Someone has to use the thing you submit. Nobody wants to be a citizen. Citizens are boring. This game isn't.
2. Someone has to be on the receiving end of the thing you submit. Try not to restrict player's actions in boring ways. Vanilla blackmailer or vote stealer roles are strictly banned. I will permit roles that restrict the way a player can communicate in funny or interesting ways. Amuse me.
3. Your role may die early. Not everyone can make it to the promised land.
4. Someone has to play support.
5. Don't submit roles that we've already seen before or that are blatantly overpowered. Roles from the mod or from the compendium are BANNED. Roles from previous "thousand rolecard" games are BANNED. Roles from other S-FMs are BANNED (with maybe light exception).

I am legally obligated to say that the Town faction must win by eliminating the Mafia faction and that the Mafia faction must win by obtaining vote majority.

[Stealthbomber16]

I will also be hosting this game on the account Rylai and as such need the account to be unmarked as an archon

[blinkskater]

Sweet. Are the rolecards randomed between the players?

[Stealthbomber16]

Sweet. Are the rolecards randomed between the players?

They are randomly assigned, yes

[Marshmallow Marshall]

What do you mean by "All bets are off"?
I'm not sure I can accept the DDoS attacks ;)
Gambling (even though it's a Roblox card lol) isn't really encouraged, even though it is allowed. I doubt people will be toxic over it anyway, but I'd suggest removing that part and using that gift card yourself (or giving it as a reward to your artist :P).

Suicide allowed for good reasons only? Just so people don't suicide because they don't like their roles.
One rolecard per player only?
What are the alignment's wincons? That is required.


Is reusing a role from a previous edition of thousand rolecards setup allowed?
"The winner will..." Is there only one winner?
How will the OoO work? I assume you'll balance it yourself?

The nature of the setup excludes it from being on the Ladder. It should be taken as a light-hearted game, not as a serious one (although forum rules still apply).

[Cryptonic]

Sweet. Are the rolecards randomed between the players?

Rolecards are always "randomed"

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Rolecards are always "randomed"

Indeed; else, people would try to guess what the Host wanted to do with people's personality and playstyle, which isn't the idea of any game at all and arguably falls under angleshooting.



Also, you will need to change the password of Rylai, Stealthbomber16. Players who were in the archon could log in the account and cheat by reading PMs. I will take care of the archon status part.

[Stealthbomber16]

What do you mean by "All bets are off"?
This is not a serious game and as such I'm not expecting people to take it extremely seriously. I will keep a level of healthiness present in the game.
I'm not sure I can accept the DDoS attacks ;)
I'm not sure I can accept people going afk in the most important game of the year
Gambling (even though it's a Roblox card lol) isn't really encouraged, even though it is allowed. I doubt people will be toxic over it anyway, but I'd suggest removing that part and using that gift card yourself (or giving it as a reward to your artist :P).
It's not gambling, it's a reward for winning. Think of it as surprise mechanics.
Also I'm gonna draw the winner banner myself.

Suicide allowed for good reasons only? Just so people don't suicide because they don't like their roles.
Yeah
One rolecard per player only?
lol
What are the alignment's wincons? That is required.
standard stuff, will add it


Is reusing a role from a previous edition of thousand rolecards setup allowed?
Ehhh, I encourage people to make new roles but unused ones I'll let slide if they made it or if the role is Krun Dipthorn
"The winner will..." Is there only one winner?
whoops
How will the OoO work? I assume you'll balance it yourself?
i'll hand do it

The nature of the setup excludes it from being on the Ladder. It should be taken as a light-hearted game, not as a serious one (although forum rules still apply).

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[Marshmallow Marshall]

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Wrongly worded, sorry : One SUMBITTED rolecard per player only? Like, can you sumbit one thousand rolecards for real in PM :)

And if you're going to make the winner banner yourself, GIVE YOURSELF GIFT CARDS! :chickenwings:


Also, to avoid being legally obligated to do "boring" (and necessary) things, along with having a much better setup layout and a more enjoyable game, I suggest everyone reads this guide (Before you sumbit your setup) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30769-Before-You-Submit-Your-Setup-READ-BEFORE-POSTING) and this one (FM Host's Guide) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27432-Forum-Mafia-Host-s-Guide). Both were recently updated.

[Stealthbomber16]

Wrongly worded, sorry : One SUMBITTED rolecard per player only? Like, can you sumbit one thousand rolecards for real in PM :)

And if you're going to make the winner banner yourself, GIVE YOURSELF GIFT CARDS! :chickenwings:


Also, to avoid being legally obligated to do "boring" (and necessary) things, along with having a much better setup layout and a more enjoyable game, I suggest everyone reads this guide (Before you sumbit your setup) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30769-Before-You-Submit-Your-Setup-READ-BEFORE-POSTING) and this one (FM Host's Guide) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27432-Forum-Mafia-Host-s-Guide). Both were recently updated.

Yeah just one role per player will be taken but I suppose if they want to give me multiple and let me pick which one they want me to use that’s fine

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yeah just one role per player will be taken but I suppose if they want to give me multiple and let me pick which one they want me to use that’s fine

Well, that's the point of thousand rolecards, so I'd say it will probably happen.

Questions related to the concern below : Do people flip?
What's the nature of the flip? (Just the name, the entire rolecard, name + alignment, etc.)

Concern : If the game gets to final 3, and that you are alive, and did not see your sumbitted rolecard flip, you can know that it is present in the game and it can influence your actions (for example, if it's some crazy role that changes the person that will be lynched under X conditions). In the example given, you can even know what to do to prevent a night action simply because you were the one who sumbitted the rolecard; you cannot forget that knowledge, and asking players to forget that they sumbitted a rolecard doesn't really work. Did you plan something for those situations?

[Ganelon]

take a guess as to what role I would submit upon signing

[Kenny]

take a guess as to what role I would submit upon signing

take a guess as to what role I would submit upon signing

take a guess as to what role I would submit upon signing

take a guess as to what role I would submit upon signing

take a guess as to what role I would submit upon signing
I'm guessing citizen.
unvote

[Ganelon]

lmao

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Don't you dare WIFOMing the roles you're going to sumbit, or even the fact that you're signing or not... :P

[Ganelon]

don't worry, I'm sure Stealth wouldn't even accept it

[Marshmallow Marshall]

don't worry, I'm sure Stealth wouldn't even accept it

MORE WIFOM >=O

[Stealthbomber16]

we've reached terminal 8 wifom


Well, that's the point of thousand rolecards, so I'd say it will probably happen.

Questions related to the concern below : Do people flip?
What's the nature of the flip? (Just the name, the entire rolecard, name + alignment, etc.)

Concern : If the game gets to final 3, and that you are alive, and did not see your sumbitted rolecard flip, you can know that it is present in the game and it can influence your actions (for example, if it's some crazy role that changes the person that will be lynched under X conditions). In the example given, you can even know what to do to prevent a night action simply because you were the one who sumbitted the rolecard; you cannot forget that knowledge, and asking players to forget that they sumbitted a rolecard doesn't really work. Did you plan something for those situations?

valid concern. i may consider fucking with the idea of revealing all the rolecards at MYLO/LYLO

[Marshmallow Marshall]

we've reached terminal 8 wifom



valid concern. i may consider fucking with the idea of revealing all the rolecards at MYLO/LYLO

Given that the rolecards may be horribly weird, it might be hard to determine when MYLO/LYLO is, though. I suggest adding a bank of rolecards, some being yours and some being others's, and revealing that on D1 or D2.

[blinkskater]

Everything should be hidden imo

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Everything should be hidden imo

But then you're back with the concern mentioned above. Do you have a suggestion to fix the issue?

[blinkskater]

But then you're back with the concern mentioned above. Do you have a suggestion to fix the issue?

I see no issue I see some good fortune for being placed in that position.

[blinkskater]

Every squirrel deserves a nut at some point in their lives right?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

But what about non-squirrels? :(

I meant to imply the following : the result is a potentially huge advantage for something that is due to purely accidental (not random, but it has the same effect) situations.

[blinkskater]

But what about non-squirrels? :(

I meant to imply the following : the result is a potentially huge advantage for something that is due to purely accidental (not random, but it has the same effect) situations.

What if you deduced the player was the role you created day one and manipulated him all the way into the F3? End result seems plausible to me.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

What if you deduced the player was the role you created day one and manipulated him all the way into the F3? End result seems plausible to me.

Possible, but it doesn't exist the possibility of random plays; plus, it's still an advantage based on what you created and that only you knows. Revealing a role pool doesn't stop anything interesting if there are fake ones added into the mix.

[Kenny]

Can't ppl just roleclaim? If someone lies one person will in most cases know then

[Kenny]

Also wifom if you're scum and not sure whether it's safe to fake a role or not in later stages

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Can't ppl just roleclaim? If someone lies one person will in most cases know then

Yes, which is why I was suggesting to add "noise roles" in the game, or simply more roles than just one per sign.

[Kenny]

I think it'd be better to just not allow any roles that have conditions to them which would give the creator an advantage.
Stealth already put in the rules that revealing which role you created is forbidden, so even if you get in the final 3 and didn't see your role flip you'd never know who of the other 2 faked their claim.

[Kenny]

For example stuff like person to hammer this guy dies, etc

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The issue I see with your idea, unless I misunderstand it, is that it restricts rolecard freedom by a lot, which is probably the greatest sin possible in a "bring your own role" setup.

We could have all roles in the Role Compendium (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/23595-Role-Compendium-amp-Suggestion-Thread), and any combination of these roles (host balanced, obviously) as a possibility. It would cover all issues, I believe.

[Kenny]

It's a very minor restriction really. You can just add the word random to any effect you wanna add and it'd almost always solve any potential issues.

[Kenny]

Adding filler roles and at the same time removing handmade roles with pictures made by the players is an incredibly bigger degradation to the games quality imo.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Adding filler roles and at the same time removing handmade roles with pictures made by the players is an incredibly bigger degradation to the games quality imo.

I didn't say to remove handmade roles, that would kill the setup. Simply to add some possibliities. But your suggestion with random works really well, I'm for it.

[Stealthbomber16]

Here’s my decision. Will update the setup to reflect this later.
1. On a player’s death, their rolecard will be fully revealed.
2. In addition, the rolecard that the dead player submitted will also be fully revealed, but not who has it.
3. Once 40-50% of the players are dead, they may vote to decide to release the remaining roles to the public. Amongst the released roles will be some random bullshit roles which I have made, which are not in the setup. This is to prevent a mass claim scenario.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Here’s my decision. Will update the setup to reflect this later.
1. On a player’s death, their rolecard will be fully revealed.
2. In addition, the rolecard that the dead player submitted will also be fully revealed, but not who has it.
3. Once 40-50% of the players are dead, they may vote to decide to release the remaining roles to the public. Amongst the released roles will be some random bullshit roles which I have made, which are not in the setup. This is to prevent a mass claim scenario.

Great, I agree with this. Mention me once the setup will be updated, I'll review it again and will approve if it's ready, which I think it will be.

[Stealthbomber16]

setup has been updated accordingly Marshmallow Marshall

lets do this

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I thought I had already posted it, but apparently I didn't... It's probably my poor internet again, sorry.

As always, this kind of setup is not suitable for any Ladder season, and should not be seen as overly serious (while the FM Rules still apply). Under these conditions, the setup seems enjoyable, so it is Approved.

You may post signups when Magoroth's game, The Agency : Chapter I, will be finished.

[Stealthbomber16]

If anyone would like to host this again, be my guest. Otherwise I would like to submit this to host after Bio-Med finishes.

[Stealthbomber16]

If anyone would like to host this again, be my guest. Otherwise I would like to submit this to host after Bio-Med finishes.

double posting to tag Marshmallow Marshall

[Marshmallow Marshall]

double posting to tag Marshmallow Marshall

Noted, adding you to the Queue.

[Stealthbomber16]

Marshmallow Marshall

It's time.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Marshmallow Marshall

It's time.

!!! adding you to the Queue!

[Stealthbomber16]

I still want to host this but I’m worried about my availability- anyone willing to cohost?

[AIVION]

I still want to host this but I’m worried about my availability- anyone willing to cohost?

I'm willing if you need it. <3

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm willing if you need it. <3

Absolutely. I’ll be taking you up on this. Thank you.

[AIVION]

Absolutely. I’ll be taking you up on this. Thank you.

Not a problem! :)

[Gyrlander]

Not a problem! :)

God bless the mighty AIVION.

[AIVION]

God bless the mighty AIVION.

And Their beautiful kitty :3

[MartinGG99]

Marshmallow Marshall

Is it alright if you could add this to the queue but I will be hosting it?

Considering the amount games currently on the queue, the game may happen around December or January (depending on how long the games take as well as signups for each game); Which is roughly around the optimal time that I would like to be able to dedicate to this.

Edit: May be co-hosting with naz

[naz]

^ want to host so stealth can play but since he is in school rn we wanna wait til his break

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Marshmallow Marshall

Is it alright if you could add this to the queue but I will be hosting it?

Considering the amount games currently on the queue, the game may happen around December or January (depending on how long the games take as well as signups for each game); Which is roughly around the optimal time that I would like to be able to dedicate to this.

Edit: May be co-hosting with naz

Heard and done!