MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System

[Voss]

Night 0

Day 1 Starts in
00:15:10:00

Talking about what vote system you voted for is not allowed, but talking about mayor vs regular is okay.

Players
Light_Yagami
Distorted
Ganelon
Noz_Bugz
Damus_Graves
aamirus
Marshmallow Marshall

[Voss]

Night 0

Day 1 Ends in
2:00:00:00

Players
Light_Yagami
Distorted
Ganelon
Noz_Bugz
Damus_Graves
aamirus
Marshmallow Marshall

The vote type is plurality with no majority, with mayor as the vote option. Submit your vote for mayor publicly. I will allow self votes. Self votes are indicated by a lack of a vote.

You may not vote to skip, but the mayor may choose to skip the day.

You must submit your vote target to me privately by end of day, especially if you're going to end up being the mayor. You may change your target as many times as you want.

I'm also willing to end the Day 1 early at everyone's request.

[Voss]

If i didn't make sense, and I get questions, I'll update the Day 1 post as well as answer questions in thread.

[Voss]

No angle shooting.

[Ganelon]

Hmm, interesting. Mayor.
Why? Seems unnecessarily complicated.
I don't appreciate the plurality/no majority as it makes it more difficult to pressure people, but alas, only town could vote for that so that shan't be a topic for discussion today (at least not an important one)

Also Voss


role pms were sent out.

if you have questions about what role you are, feel free to ask them publicly so everyone can see. I'll DEFINITELY confirm you as town.

[Ganelon]

Voss serious question:

1) Can Mayor (for whatever reason) choose to kill themselves?

2) Can I submit my vote for the Mayor here?

[Ganelon]

Hmm, interesting. Mayor.
Why? Seems unnecessarily complicated.
I don't appreciate the plurality/no majority as it makes it more difficult to pressure people, but alas, only town could vote for that so that shan't be a topic for discussion today (at least not an important one)

Also @Voss (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=6527)

Can the people who voted for the Mayor-type lynch explain why they think it's better than regular lynch?

[Light_Yagami]

Voss WTF Is Angle Shooting?

[Voss]

Voss serious question:

1) Can Mayor (for whatever reason) choose to kill themselves?

2) Can I submit my vote for the Mayor here?

1. Yes, but they also have to convince me they're not game throwing, so probably not.

2. Yes, please. Votes for the mayor are public. The mayor's vote kill is private.

[Ganelon]

Distorted
What will you do with the POWAH

[Voss]

Voss WTF Is Angle Shooting?

Hmm. I know what it is internally, but might have trouble defining it. It's like... using unintended game mechanics to determine people's alignment.

For example, I'm not allowing people to say what vote system they voted for, because it'd make it easier for people to "angle shoot" and separate some of the players as nontown based off how the vote system votes came out.

If someone else has a better answer, I'll +1 it.

[Ganelon]

Can the people who voted for the Mayor-type lynch explain why they think it's better than regular lynch?
I'd think we should vote for someone trust, but I believe the Mayor should either follow consensus or act as a tie breaker :P so I only see limited potential in scum hunting when it comes to the Mayor.

Regular lynch is also easier to interpret and to analyse, so... I honestly would've preferred regular lynch.

[Light_Yagami]

So, Ganelon Are You Scum?

[Ganelon]

So, @Ganelon (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29730) Are You Scum?
nope, how about you? you scum? :thinking: 🤔

[Ganelon]

nope, how about you? you scum? :thinking: 樂
also did you vote for mayor lynch or for regular lynch? and why

[Light_Yagami]

nope, how about you? you scum? :thinking: 🤔

You Wish I Was Scum.. Im Just A Good Guy.. Even Trump Said So..

[Light_Yagami]

also did you vote for mayor lynch or for regular lynch? and why

I Simply Cant Say But I Say I Like Regular For Scum Hunting And Mayor So We Dont Have A Brain Dead Town.. If I Had Choosen Mayor For Vote Style Id Pick Someone With Some Smarts To Be Mayor..

[Ganelon]

I Simply Cant Say But I Say I Like Regular For Scum Hunting And Mayor So We Dont Have A Brain Dead Town.. If I Had Choosen Mayor For Vote Style Id Pick Someone With Some Smarts To Be Mayor..
sounds reasonable, but with Mayor I think we would have a brain dead town since there's only one person deciding the kill

[Ganelon]

also, no.1 question, should the Miller reveal?

[Light_Yagami]

sounds reasonable, but with Mayor I think we would have a brain dead town since there's only one person deciding the kill

Well The Towns Interactions Is How Mayor Will Size Everyone Up..

[Light_Yagami]

also, no.1 question, should the Miller reveal?

Thats Up To The Miller I Think..

[Light_Yagami]

Honestly, Thinking About It More.. Its Prob. Better The Miller Doesnt Reveal 2 Soon.. Because, There Arent Any Protectives To Save His/Her Ass

[Ganelon]

Noz_Bugz I see you reading, you frozen bruh?

[Noz_Bugz]

Noz_Bugz I see you reading, you frozen bruh?

currently out and about. Will be at PC soonTM

[Noz_Bugz]

ok im at my pc and I feel as if the mayor lynch is needlessly complicated, but it could lead to some fun. So im ehh on it personally. I honestly liked Ganelon's entrance into the thread, it seemed as if he was trying to set out a game plan for town which im cool with. As such I'm plopping my vote for mayor onto him.
Ganelon

[Damus_Graves]

Ganelons posts were not good.
What is this low tier narrative control? This subtle contradiction in his posts?


Hmm, interesting. Mayor.
Why? Seems unnecessarily complicated.
I don't appreciate the plurality/no majority as it makes it more difficult to pressure people, but alas, only town could vote for that so that shan't be a topic for discussion today (at least not an important one)

Also Voss


Straight up says dont discuss mayor, after calling it an interesting point. but alas? Why is it but alas Ganelon? Why do you state that only town can vote for this and why does that dismay you?
Why do you say this isnt important? This is a very important discussion point and you are bringing its significance down in a very scummy way.


Voss serious question:

1) Can Mayor (for whatever reason) choose to kill themselves?

2) Can I submit my vote for the Mayor here?



Distorted
What will you do with the POWAH

What a troll vote. Is this a lynch vote or a mayor vote? Seems like a mayor vote but why would you vote at this level 0 play and word it to be trolly if you were town?


I'd think we should vote for someone trust, but I believe the Mayor should either follow consensus or act as a tie breaker :P so I only see limited potential in scum hunting when it comes to the Mayor.

Regular lynch is also easier to interpret and to analyse, so... I honestly would've preferred regular lynch.



What makes you trust distorted? Why vote him so lulz and follow up with this?
Why are you directing the Mayors behavior before a mayor is even chosen? Why are you telling the potential mayor to be a sheep?


Contradiction in mayor discussion being unimportant. You started talking about it soo. is it important or not?

[Damus_Graves]

ok im at my pc and I feel as if the mayor lynch is needlessly complicated, but it could lead to some fun. So im ehh on it personally. I honestly liked Ganelon's entrance into the thread, it seemed as if he was trying to set out a game plan for town which im cool with. As such I'm plopping my vote for mayor onto him.
Ganelon

You are now hella suspicious.
What about Ganelons entrance did you like?

[Damus_Graves]

Don't discuss Miller strategies. Instant scum read if you do.

[Damus_Graves]

also, no.1 question, should the Miller reveal?

You are currently suspect number one for me.

Defend thyself

[Damus_Graves]

You are now hella suspicious.
What about Ganelons entrance did you like?

backdated;
I am aware that you said you enjoyed him trying to lay out a gameplan.
But im looking for more, like what play do you think he laid out? Is it worth following? Are you sheeping him?

[Noz_Bugz]

backdated;
I am aware that you said you enjoyed him trying to lay out a gameplan.
But im looking for more, like what play do you think he laid out? Is it worth following? Are you sheeping him?


I'd think we should vote for someone trust, but I believe the Mayor should either follow consensus or act as a tie breaker :P so I only see limited potential in scum hunting when it comes to the Mayor.

Regular lynch is also easier to interpret and to analyse, so... I honestly would've preferred regular lynch.

I liked the point which I have bolded. I think the mayor lynch has huge potential in helping or harming town depending on how we use it. It can help us figure out if someone is town or scum easier as IIRC there is a Framer and Miller in the setup so the checks could not be 100% reliable. A point where I personally disagree with Ganelon is that a mayor lynch is harder to analyze. In fact I would argue its easier as you can possibly see a scumteam in the mayor voting patterns. Just my personal two cents. That prob made no sense so if you have any questions just ask

[Damus_Graves]

I liked the point which I have bolded. I think the mayor lynch has huge potential in helping or harming town depending on how we use it. It can help us figure out if someone is town or scum easier as IIRC there is a Framer and Miller in the setup so the checks could not be 100% reliable. A point where I personally disagree with Ganelon is that a mayor lynch is harder to analyze. In fact I would argue its easier as you can possibly see a scumteam in the mayor voting patterns. Just my personal two cents. That prob made no sense so if you have any questions just ask

What do you think of the posts I made in regards of Ganelons posts?
Are you standing in support of controlling the mayor vote, which is what I currently read Ganelon as trying to do?

[Damus_Graves]

After you respond to my ganelon posts are you still in favor of him being mayor?

[Light_Yagami]

What do you think of the posts I made in regards of Ganelons posts?
Are you standing in support of controlling the mayor vote, which is what I currently read Ganelon as trying to do?

I Agree That Does Seem Like What He Is Doing And For Even Mentioning The Miller He Is Also My Prime Suspect..

[Noz_Bugz]

What do you think of the posts I made in regards of Ganelons posts?
Are you standing in support of controlling the mayor vote, which is what I currently read Ganelon as trying to do?
I believe they are well reasoned. As such I will be reconsidering my vote.

[Damus_Graves]

I believe they are well reasoned. As such I will be reconsidering my vote.


noted.

New question.
forcing the mayor to be the tie breaker or a sheep. What benefit does that have for town and what benefit does that have for scum?

[Noz_Bugz]

I believe it can minimize the damage for town and doesn't give the scum like plausible deniability? That make sense?

[Damus_Graves]

I believe it can minimize the damage for town and doesn't give the scum like plausible deniability? That make sense?

how so? Also you didnt fully answer the question. Benefits for town and scum. This forces you to consider both arguments which will aide in determining the intention behind ppls posts regarding the mayor.

Currently I am in favor of these players as Mayor:
Damus

fucking no one else. Convince me cowards.

[Noz_Bugz]

I'd think we should vote for someone trust, but I believe the Mayor should either follow consensus or act as a tie breaker :P so I only see limited potential in scum hunting when it comes to the Mayor.

Regular lynch is also easier to interpret and to analyse, so... I honestly would've preferred regular lynch.


how so? Also you didnt fully answer the question. Benefits for town and scum. This forces you to consider both arguments which will aide in determining the intention behind ppls posts regarding the mayor.

Currently I am in favor of these players as Mayor:
Damus

fucking no one else. Convince me cowards.

Aight. Misread the question cause im a dumb dumb
Benefits for town If the mayor sheeps the voters
~Minimizes damage if we get a scum mayor
~If the mayor doesn't sheep when asked it could lead towards them being scum? Idk im not an expert on VCA n shit.
Benefits for town if the mayor does whatever he damn pleases
~Could completely deny the scum a say in the actual lynch
~Could possibly find a scum if we get a scum mayor (?)
Benefits for the dastardly scum if the mayor sheeps
~Scum could influence the lynch
~Easier to hide if a scum is elected mayor
Benefits for scum when mayor could do whatever he fuckin wants
~Could throw town completely off track if a townie lynches a fellow townie.

Also im hesitant to say our mayor should be set in stone roughly 4 hours from SoD.
But out of those that have posted my prefrences list is
1.Damus, as I get a towny vibe from his posts
2.Me, the only reason im here second as I'm probably gonna fuck up in some way if i get it
3.Ganelon, I 100% dont trust Yagami with our lynch so thats the only reason he's here
4. Yagami, I dont trust yagami with the power to decide out lynch period. He would probably do whatever the fuck he wants if we tell him to go with the consensus which could let the scum skate by if he is town

[Noz_Bugz]

fuck ignore the ganelon quote, i had that on the multi quote thing by complete accident.

[Light_Yagami]

Aight. Misread the question cause im a dumb dumb
Benefits for town If the mayor sheeps the voters
~Minimizes damage if we get a scum mayor
~If the mayor doesn't sheep when asked it could lead towards them being scum? Idk im not an expert on VCA n shit.
Benefits for town if the mayor does whatever he damn pleases
~Could completely deny the scum a say in the actual lynch
~Could possibly find a scum if we get a scum mayor (?)
Benefits for the dastardly scum if the mayor sheeps
~Scum could influence the lynch
~Easier to hide if a scum is elected mayor
Benefits for scum when mayor could do whatever he fuckin wants
~Could throw town completely off track if a townie lynches a fellow townie.

Also im hesitant to say our mayor should be set in stone roughly 4 hours from SoD.
But out of those that have posted my prefrences list is
1.Damus, as I get a towny vibe from his posts
2.Me, the only reason im here second as I'm probably gonna fuck up in some way if i get it
3.Ganelon, I 100% dont trust Yagami with our lynch so thats the only reason he's here
4. Yagami, I dont trust yagami with the power to decide out lynch period. He would probably do whatever the fuck he wants if we tell him to go with the consensus which could let the scum skate by if he is town

U Do Realize I Dont Go With The Consensus.. And Build My Own Reads And Am Pretty Accurate With My Reads When It Comes Down To It..

[Light_Yagami]

Quite Frankly Im Prob, The Best Choice For Mayor.. Not That I Want The Responsibility..

[Light_Yagami]

Also, Noz_Bugz Was That A Scum Slip With Addition Of Ganelon In Slot Three But Saying Me Twice?

[Noz_Bugz]

Also, Noz_Bugz Was That A Scum Slip With Addition Of Ganelon In Slot Three But Saying Me Twice?



But out of those that have posted my prefrences list is
1.Damus, as I get a towny vibe from his posts
2.Me, the only reason im here second as I'm probably gonna fuck up in some way if i get it
3.Ganelon, I 100% dont trust Yagami with our lynch so thats the only reason he's here
4. Yagami, I dont trust yagami with the power to decide out lynch period. He would probably do whatever the fuck he wants if we tell him to go with the consensus which could let the scum skate by if he is town
See the bolded phrase? The only reason i placed him at slot 3 out of 4 is because I do not trust you with the lynch power

[Light_Yagami]

See the bolded phrase? The only reason i placed him at slot 3 out of 4 is because I do not trust you with the lynch power

Oh And Can I Ask You Why That Is Beyond What You've Said.. Because, I Believe Ive Proved My Self More Then Capable Of Finding Scum..

[DJarJar]

Hello my pretties. Vote me for mayor because we’ve never had a female mayor before. Grant me your affirmative action and we shall lynch all of the town... err mafia... 1 by 1!

I am... inevitable.

[DJarJar]

Voss serious question:

1) Can Mayor (for whatever reason) choose to kill themselves?

2) Can I submit my vote for the Mayor here?

Classic mag not even reading what the host wrote

[DJarJar]

You Wish I Was Scum.. Im Just A Good Guy.. Even Trump Said So..

Trump called you specifically a good guy? I WANT PROOF

[Light_Yagami]

Trump called you specifically a good guy? I WANT PROOF

Ha Ha.. To Be Honest.. Trump Calls Everyone A Good Guy..lol But, We Have 2 Whole Days.. To Hunt The 2 Scums In This Game.. Should Be Simple Enough.. Just Gotta Wait For Everyone Else To Check In.. And See What They All Have Ta Say.. Because, So Far I Think Town Is Off To A Good Start..

[DJarJar]

Aight. Misread the question cause im a dumb dumb
Benefits for town If the mayor sheeps the voters
~Minimizes damage if we get a scum mayor
~If the mayor doesn't sheep when asked it could lead towards them being scum? Idk im not an expert on VCA n shit.
Benefits for town if the mayor does whatever he damn pleases
~Could completely deny the scum a say in the actual lynch
~Could possibly find a scum if we get a scum mayor (?)
Benefits for the dastardly scum if the mayor sheeps
~Scum could influence the lynch
~Easier to hide if a scum is elected mayor
Benefits for scum when mayor could do whatever he fuckin wants
~Could throw town completely off track if a townie lynches a fellow townie.

Also im hesitant to say our mayor should be set in stone roughly 4 hours from SoD.
But out of those that have posted my prefrences list is
1.Damus, as I get a towny vibe from his posts
2.Me, the only reason im here second as I'm probably gonna fuck up in some way if i get it
3.Ganelon, I 100% dont trust Yagami with our lynch so thats the only reason he's here
4. Yagami, I dont trust yagami with the power to decide out lynch period. He would probably do whatever the fuck he wants if we tell him to go with the consensus which could let the scum skate by if he is town

Solid Yagami shade, i bet you will be his n1 scum read for that

[DJarJar]

Ha Ha.. To Be Honest.. Trump Calls Everyone A Good Guy..lol But, We Have 2 Whole Days.. To Hunt The 2 Scums In This Game.. Should Be Simple Enough.. Just Gotta Wait For Everyone Else To Check In.. And See What They All Have Ta Say.. Because, So Far I Think Town Is Off To A Good Start..

Where’s your *walks into town and flips his fedora* post?

[Light_Yagami]

Where’s your *walks into town and flips his fedora* post?

As I Explained Last Game Whats A Meta If It Can Change Game To Game?

[DJarJar]

aamirus

[DJarJar]

Voss self-vote doesn’t work :(

[DJarJar]

Don't discuss Miller strategies. Instant scum read if you do.

Why? If a town gets lynched today then tomorrow is lylo already. I believe gameplanning ASAP is a better idea.

[Voss]

Voss self-vote doesn’t work :(

Hmm... I'll consider a no vote as a self vote then.

[DJarJar]

damn this game is silent as fuck

[Marshmallow Marshall]

damn this game is silent as fuck

That's because I wasn't in yet :) HERE I AM!!!

My apologies, I slightly forgot about the game because I was busy taking over Europe as Aztecs in Europa Universalis.

~~

First of all : WHY MAYOR VOTE?? Mayor vote is straight up anti-town, because it cuts us from the vital info that is provided by train analysis + pressure.
Second : It's not because it's only plurality that a vote isn't pressuring. Of course, it would be even better with majority included for this specific purpose, but votes are still deadly. Given that this is mayor vote, though, there is no real pressure outside of words and of the future mayor's reads.

~~

There was a meta change showing in Light's playstyle during the last games, so I will read him as if he was a player I did not know, this game. Light_Yagami you better make sense :)

~~

Time to read the thread. GL HF everyone!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Can the people who voted for the Mayor-type lynch explain why they think it's better than regular lynch?
Same question here....

Voss WTF Is Angle Shooting?

Angleshooting is breaking the spirit of the rules without "actually" breaking them, i.e. circumventing rules. If you're being dishonest and are trying to play on the wording of the rules, then you are angleshooting (note that the definition includes but does not limit to the aforementioned scenario).

Also note that angleshooting is an FM-wide punishable offense, so don't do it, not now nor never.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I'd think we should vote for someone trust, but I believe the Mayor should either follow consensus or act as a tie breaker :P so I only see limited potential in scum hunting when it comes to the Mayor.

Regular lynch is also easier to interpret and to analyse, so... I honestly would've preferred regular lynch.

Exactly. Which is why I propose to keep track of your suspicions like this : -vote against Blinkskater. It's obvious that it's not a real vote, but it allows for some ease of use.


And for now, Ganelon for President, I like his analysis

[Light_Yagami]

Solid Yagami shade, i bet you will be his n1 scum read for that


You Know.. The Funny Thing Is... I Know Your Playing Me.. But, Your Right..

But To Be Fair Its Not Just Because Of The Shade..

[Light_Yagami]

Can the people who voted for the Mayor-type lynch explain why they think it's better than regular lynch?

This Quote Here Makes Me Suspect Ganelon As Scum.. Because.. He Is Clearly Asking The Town.. Why They Picked One Way Over The Other..

[Light_Yagami]

Same question here....


Angleshooting is breaking the spirit of the rules without "actually" breaking them, i.e. circumventing rules. If you're being dishonest and are trying to play on the wording of the rules, then you are angleshooting (note that the definition includes but does not limit to the aforementioned scenario).

Also note that angleshooting is an FM-wide punishable offense, so don't do it, not now nor never.

Thanks For The More In-depth Presentation..

[Light_Yagami]

That's because I wasn't in yet :) HERE I AM!!!

My apologies, I slightly forgot about the game because I was busy taking over Europe as Aztecs in Europa Universalis.

~~

First of all : WHY MAYOR VOTE?? Mayor vote is straight up anti-town, because it cuts us from the vital info that is provided by train analysis + pressure.
Second : It's not because it's only plurality that a vote isn't pressuring. Of course, it would be even better with majority included for this specific purpose, but votes are still deadly. Given that this is mayor vote, though, there is no real pressure outside of words and of the future mayor's reads.

~~

There was a meta change showing in Light's playstyle during the last games, so I will read him as if he was a player I did not know, this game. Light_Yagami you better make sense :)

~~

Time to read the thread. GL HF everyone!

On Your First Of All There I Think It Doesnt.. More Then One Way To Pressure PPL..

[Light_Yagami]

I'd think we should vote for someone trust, but I believe the Mayor should either follow consensus or act as a tie breaker :P so I only see limited potential in scum hunting when it comes to the Mayor.

Regular lynch is also easier to interpret and to analyse, so... I honestly would've preferred regular lynch.

Of Course You Would Hoping For A Town Mis-Lynch To Give U That Edge Later.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

On Your First Of All There I Think It Doesnt.. More Then One Way To Pressure PPL..

Yep, but having votes to pressure people is kinda important lol. Plus, you're doing like that guy in that French game I'm in right now, who just says "yes", "no", "I don't think so", "Probably not", etc. Elaborate on your thoughts, please.

And I know I'm not the best person to ask for this, but, please, group up your posts to make less posts but bigger posts. I usually don't really mind, but if you don't want to change Your Way Of Typing... you need to do that. Not being clear and readable is anti-town.

~~

As for the post #65, it's the same issue with the Mayor. Actually, it's even worse, because the Mayor could decide to NOT follow the majority, and then the vote would be literally bullshit. As I said earlier, elaborate, finish your train of thoughts. Else, you're just spamming nonsense.

And obviously, I say all of this with love :) this is nothing personal, strictly business. Pls no bad joke on "this is a mafioso quote" lol

[Noz_Bugz]

early gut reads
Damus medium town
Ganeleon very slight scum lean
Aamirus null.
MM slight town
Light null.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

also, no.1 question, should the Miller reveal?

And that is what I was coming to!


MILLER, REVEAL. NO SHERIFF FAKECLAIMING MILLER, ELSE YOU'RE THROWING.

This will allow us to have a confirmed-ish town that Mafia will have to kill... and that we can vote to be Mayor. Why? Because with the assumption that we have no gamethrowers in the Town, we can get an unique claim. If a Mafia member claimed, they would be lynched either today or tomorrow, so it would work well.
This also means that the Miller should CC any fakeclaim they see.

Any objections?

[DJarJar]

And that is what I was coming to!


MILLER, REVEAL. NO SHERIFF FAKECLAIMING MILLER, ELSE YOU'RE THROWING.

This will allow us to have a confirmed-ish town that Mafia will have to kill... and that we can vote to be Mayor. Why? Because with the assumption that we have no gamethrowers in the Town, we can get an unique claim. If a Mafia member claimed, they would be lynched either today or tomorrow, so it would work well.
This also means that the Miller should CC any fakeclaim they see.

Any objections?

see this is what I was thinking and I want to know why damus was against talking about it

[DJarJar]

First of all : WHY MAYOR VOTE?? Mayor vote is straight up anti-town, because it cuts us from the vital info that is provided by train analysis + pressure.


I agree with you that it plays in scum's favor, but I'll be the first to admit that I voted it anyway because it was the different thing that we never do and I thought it would be more interesting

[Light_Yagami]

And that is what I was coming to!


MILLER, REVEAL. NO SHERIFF FAKECLAIMING MILLER, ELSE YOU'RE THROWING.

This will allow us to have a confirmed-ish town that Mafia will have to kill... and that we can vote to be Mayor. Why? Because with the assumption that we have no gamethrowers in the Town, we can get an unique claim. If a Mafia member claimed, they would be lynched either today or tomorrow, so it would work well.
This also means that the Miller should CC any fakeclaim they see.

Any objections?

I Have No Objections To This Except 1.. How Can The Real Miller Counter Claim.. If... He/She Reveals Now?

https://i.gifer.com/DU8.gif

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Looks like this will be Damus VS Marshmallow Marshall, round 2... :D

This time, I'm town, I promise (for real). Sorry for that fake promise in the last game btw, but I was the last hope of the scum team...

~~


Ganelons posts were not good.
What is this low tier narrative control? This subtle contradiction in his posts?

...What is this low tier scumpainting? The "alas" is much more likely to be about the fact that we can't create meaningful discussion on that topic than about the "only town can vote". Playing on words there.

Straight up says dont discuss mayor, after calling it an interesting point. but alas? Why is it but alas Ganelon? Why do you state that only town can vote for this and why does that dismay you?
Why do you say this isnt important? This is a very important discussion point and you are bringing its significance down in a very scummy way.

Because we can't discuss it, since only town could vote.... Hence why there's a "no angleshooting" reminder.

What a troll vote. Is this a lynch vote or a mayor vote? Seems like a mayor vote but why would you vote at this level 0 play and word it to be trolly if you were town?

"What would you do with the POWAH"... Does that look like a lynch vote to you lol? Once again, scumpainting/nitpicking. Or... antfucking? :D

What makes you trust distorted? Why vote him so lulz and follow up with this?
Why are you directing the Mayors behavior before a mayor is even chosen? Why are you telling the potential mayor to be a sheep?

...Distorted is a known town leader, as any alignment. You're not new to the site. You know this.
And because being "a sheep" is the thing that makes the most sense to do, unless they would really believe to be on something that is 99% certain.

Contradiction in mayor discussion being unimportant. You started talking about it soo. is it important or not?


You are now hella suspicious.
What about Ganelons entrance did you like?
This + the post #30 feels like town reevaluation, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, even though I don't like your attack on Mag at all.

Don't discuss Miller strategies. Instant scum read if you do.

Explain why, please.

~~

For now, I -vote against Damus_Graves.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I Have No Objections To This Except 1.. How Can The Real Miller Counter Claim.. If... He/She Reveals Now?

https://i.gifer.com/DU8.gif

Lol this gif

In the event the Miller is not online right now and that some crazy mafia member decides to claim. I hardclaim Sheriff, btw.

[Light_Yagami]

@Marshmellow Marshall Not Ta Sound Like A D-Bag Here But That Shade Of Blue Gives Me This Strange Three Dimensional After Image.. Maybe We Can Use A Different Color.. IDK Thats Just Me But You Do You..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I liked the point which I have bolded. I think the mayor lynch has huge potential in helping or harming town depending on how we use it. It can help us figure out if someone is town or scum easier as IIRC there is a Framer and Miller in the setup so the checks could not be 100% reliable. A point where I personally disagree with Ganelon is that a mayor lynch is harder to analyze. In fact I would argue its easier as you can possibly see a scumteam in the mayor voting patterns. Just my personal two cents. That prob made no sense so if you have any questions just ask

The same can be said of standard lynch, though. Plus, trust is often common to most people, therefore it's much less meaningful to have people vote for the same person for Mayorship.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I believe they are well reasoned. As such I will be reconsidering my vote.


And I believe thou art a :sheep:. The question is, art thou a wulf in Sheep's clothing?

[Noz_Bugz]

And I believe thou art a :sheep:. The question is, art thou a wulf in Sheep's clothing?

thou has dateth with the incognito mode and will be heading to sleep soon. Will post more in morning where i sm

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Aight. Misread the question cause im a dumb dumb
Benefits for town If the mayor sheeps the voters
~Minimizes damage if we get a scum mayor
~If the mayor doesn't sheep when asked it could lead towards them being scum? Idk im not an expert on VCA n shit.
Benefits for town if the mayor does whatever he damn pleases
~Could completely deny the scum a say in the actual lynch
~Could possibly find a scum if we get a scum mayor (?)
Benefits for the dastardly scum if the mayor sheeps
~Scum could influence the lynch
~Easier to hide if a scum is elected mayor
Benefits for scum when mayor could do whatever he fuckin wants
~Could throw town completely off track if a townie lynches a fellow townie.

Also im hesitant to say our mayor should be set in stone roughly 4 hours from SoD.
But out of those that have posted my prefrences list is
1.Damus, as I get a towny vibe from his posts
2.Me, the only reason im here second as I'm probably gonna fuck up in some way if i get it
3.Ganelon, I 100% dont trust Yagami with our lynch so thats the only reason he's here
4. Yagami, I dont trust yagami with the power to decide out lynch period. He would probably do whatever the fuck he wants if we tell him to go with the consensus which could let the scum skate by if he is town

This is a very nice post, and I agree wholeheartedly with its content (for the first part at least). I did not do the analysis like this, so good job.

Second part, hmm, I don't trust Damus enough to wield the hammer of Voss-Thor. If he is scum, he could completely fool us with it, and I believe it is quite likely, although nothing is set in stone right now.
And about giving the lead to Light, HELL NO lol, it's like giving a gun to Efe xD maybe that will change in the future games if he keeps making more sense than he used to, but for now, it's a no.

[Ganelon]

Ganelons posts were not good.
What is this low tier narrative control? This subtle contradiction in his posts?




Straight up says dont discuss mayor, after calling it an interesting point. but alas? Why is it but alas Ganelon? Why do you state that only town can vote for this and why does that dismay you?
Why do you say this isnt important? This is a very important discussion point and you are bringing its significance down in a very scummy way.






What a troll vote. Is this a lynch vote or a mayor vote? Seems like a mayor vote but why would you vote at this level 0 play and word it to be trolly if you were town?





What makes you trust distorted? Why vote him so lulz and follow up with this?
Why are you directing the Mayors behavior before a mayor is even chosen? Why are you telling the potential mayor to be a sheep?


Contradiction in mayor discussion being unimportant. You started talking about it soo. is it important or not?

No, mayor is important?? It is plurality without majority that isn't important, becausee that would be angleshooting (and it's not really scumhunting as the only people who could answer why they voted for plurality without majority are town, thus they all had town objectives in mind).

Why would someeone troll when they're alone at the start of day one? Can you think of a reason?

You sir, do not have my mayor vote. And I am not directing the Mayor's behaviour, I am suggesting that the Mayor should follow consensus. I don't fancy giving one player absolute power. Do you?

[Ganelon]

Don't discuss Miller strategies. Instant scum read if you do.
Why? Miller is an anti-town role lol

theres currently 3/7 peeople who could be read as scum, if Framer uses his ability to frame someone as town that's only 2/7, Sheriff reads are inherently untrustworthy, if anything Miller should reveal right now

[Ganelon]

This Quote Here Makes Me Suspect Ganelon As Scum.. Because.. He Is Clearly Asking The Town.. Why They Picked One Way Over The Other..
Uh huh. I am asking everyone lol, it's not like only the town could vote :)

[Light_Yagami]

Why? Miller is an anti-town role lol

theres currently 3/7 peeople who could be read as scum, if Framer uses his ability to frame someone as town that's only 2/7, Sheriff reads are inherently untrustworthy, if anything Miller should reveal right now

Actually Ganelon Thats A Bold Faced Lie.. Please Check Set Up Miller Is Town Role.. That Is Read As Evil.. Even Though They Arent.. So You Are Now Officially My Top Scum Read..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I agree with you that it plays in scum's favor, but I'll be the first to admit that I voted it anyway because it was the different thing that we never do and I thought it would be more interesting

HERESY!!! ;-;

[Ganelon]

see this is what I was thinking and I want to know why damus was against talking about it
+1

[Ganelon]

Actually @Ganelon (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29730) Thats A Bold Faced Lie.. Please Check Set Up Miller Is Town Role.. That Is Read As Evil.. Even Though They Arent.. So You Are Now Officially My Top Scum Read..
exactly, so how the fuck is a miller useful to the town, they serve only to flip as scum on death

[Marshmallow Marshall]

As I Explained Last Game Whats A Meta If It Can Change Game To Game?

An unstable indicator, but an indicator nonetheless.

But I'm glad you're changing that lol

[Light_Yagami]

exactly, so how the fuck is a miller useful to the town, they serve only to flip as scum on death

Because, There Is Only One Miller.. 4 Sheriffs And 2 Mafia.. If A Sheriff Checks Miller Lets Say And Framer Frames Miller Then Claims That Person Is Town.. Then Miller Would Automatically Know That Him Being Investigated As Town Is Full Of Shit..

[Ganelon]

Marshmallow Marshall
I like MM and aamirus right now, in that order
I do not know what to make of Noz/Light, and I don't trust Damus

[Ganelon]

Because, There Is Only One Miller.. 4 Sheriffs And 2 Mafia.. If A Sheriff Checks Miller Lets Say And Framer Frames Miller Then Claims That Person Is Town.. Then Miller Would Automatically Know That Him Being Investigated As Town Is Full Of Shit..
but how can we trust a Miller who flips scum on death anyway?

[DJarJar]

Because, There Is Only One Miller.. 4 Sheriffs And 2 Mafia.. If A Sheriff Checks Miller Lets Say And Framer Frames Miller Then Claims That Person Is Town.. Then Miller Would Automatically Know That Him Being Investigated As Town Is Full Of Shit..

Well, I believe the framer can frame the miller as town. Then somebody else who isn't mafia could choose to investigate the miller and see him as town. So, honestly I think there are a lot of possibilities and it will really come down to what everybody claims tomorrow to see if there are any contradictions

[Ganelon]

also before Miller decides to reveal or whatever, if Miller reveals TODAY I would be in favour of lynching them (like having the Mayor execute them)
but problem (if you can call it a problem) is that that would put us at 3v2 tomorrow.

so maybe no lynch is a better idea whilst we form a town core? so only start lynching on d2?

idk, just a random thought, in Narrator we'd usually go for LyLo as it's easier (and more likely) to lynch scum at 3v2

[Damus_Graves]

Low quality.

Where is distorted when I need him.

[Ganelon]

also before Miller decides to reveal or whatever, if Miller reveals TODAY I would be in favour of lynching them (like having the Mayor execute them)
but problem (if you can call it a problem) is that that would put us at 3v2 tomorrow.

so maybe no lynch is a better idea whilst we form a town core? so only start lynching on d2?

idk, just a random thought, in Narrator we'd usually go for LyLo as it's easier (and more likely) to lynch scum at 3v2
but I don't think that would also be the case here

[Damus_Graves]

but how can we trust a Miller who flips scum on death anyway?

This is a wolf post

[Damus_Graves]

Marshmallow Marshall
I like MM and aamirus right now, in that order
I do not know what to make of Noz/Light, and I don't trust Damus

Why?
What makes them trustworthy to you?

[Damus_Graves]

Do not discuss Miller Strategies.

[Light_Yagami]

also before Miller decides to reveal or whatever, if Miller reveals TODAY I would be in favour of lynching them (like having the Mayor execute them)
but problem (if you can call it a problem) is that that would put us at 3v2 tomorrow.

so maybe no lynch is a better idea whilst we form a town core? so only start lynching on d2?

idk, just a random thought, in Narrator we'd usually go for LyLo as it's easier (and more likely) to lynch scum at 3v2

I Call That A Substantial Problem Buddy.. Id Rather Be At 4 Bs 1 Tomorrow..

[Light_Yagami]

This is a wolf post

Kinda Feels That Way To Me..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

but how can we trust a Miller who flips scum on death anyway?

They'll flip Mafioso (I think?) so we'll at least have a clue (framer flip = actual framer).

[DJarJar]

also before Miller decides to reveal or whatever, if Miller reveals TODAY I would be in favour of lynching them (like having the Mayor execute them)
but problem (if you can call it a problem) is that that would put us at 3v2 tomorrow.

so maybe no lynch is a better idea whilst we form a town core? so only start lynching on d2?

idk, just a random thought, in Narrator we'd usually go for LyLo as it's easier (and more likely) to lynch scum at 3v2

why would we lynch the miller?

[Ganelon]

Do not discuss Miller Strategies.
Why? Why do you think we shouldn't discuss it?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

This is a wolf post
Why? I agree that it's not right, but I don't think it's scummy.

Do not discuss Miller Strategies.
Why???

Kinda Feels That Way To Me..

WHY???? FINISH YOUR THOUGHTSSSS

[DJarJar]

Do not discuss Miller Strategies.

I think the rest of the lobby has made it clear we don't care if you spam this. Provide some justification for why we shouldn't strategize at all?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

why would we lynch the miller?


Why? Why do you think we shouldn't discuss it?


Why? I agree that it's not right, but I don't think it's scummy.

Why???


WHY???? FINISH YOUR THOUGHTSSSS

Why are we saying why so much? Why can't everyone just do it every time lol

[Damus_Graves]

True Miller does not NEED you to direct his actions and speculating it is only going to serve wolf.
Shut up about it.

[Ganelon]

why would we lynch the miller?
I would see Mafia claiming Miller :D

[Damus_Graves]

This is a wolf post

Ganelon has throw shade at Town roles minimal twice today.
It’s a prerequisite to lynching that slot because paranoia.

[Damus_Graves]

Voss
Can I vote to Lynch today?

[Ganelon]

Ganelon has throw shade at Town roles minimal twice today.
It’s a prerequisite to lynching that slot because paranoia.
Sure, buddy. Just like you've thrown shade at me by not reading my posts.

[DJarJar]

I would see Mafia claiming Miller :D

If there is no counterclaim, then miller is essentially confirmed town? If there is a counter then they can both be lynched and we'd have 1 mafia down. I guess then it would be 1 v 2 on d3? But if no counter why lynch?

[Ganelon]

If there is no counterclaim, then miller is essentially confirmed town? If there is a counter then they can both be lynched and we'd have 1 mafia down. I guess then it would be 1 v 2 on d3? But if no counter why lynch?
humm, on second thought you are right. so yeah no counterclaim = no lynch :D
unless there's a goon flip or something.

[DJarJar]

True Miller does not NEED you to direct his actions and speculating it is only going to serve wolf.
Shut up about it.

How about, instead, YOU shut up about it?

[Voss]

Voss
Can I vote to Lynch today?

Any votes placed today will result in a vote toward electing the mayor. The mayor will decide what to do at EoD with the options being to eliminate someone, or skip the day.

[Light_Yagami]

Why? I agree that it's not right, but I don't think it's scummy.

Why???


WHY???? FINISH YOUR THOUGHTSSSS

Id Like To Point Out Previous Thoughts ...


Thats Up To The Miller I Think..


So, Ganelon Are You Scum?


I Call That A Substantial Problem Buddy.. Id Rather Be At 4 Bs 1 Tomorrow..


Of Course You Would Hoping For A Town Mis-Lynch To Give U That Edge Later.


Noz_Bugz I see you reading, you frozen bruh?

Calls Out To Potential Scum Buddy Here..

[Damus_Graves]

:huh:

Level 0 responses.
Marshmallow Marshall

You wanna discuss Ganelon with me?

[Light_Yagami]

Questions Comments?

[DJarJar]

Questions Comments?

What is your hair color?

[Light_Yagami]

You Know I Have 3 Town Reads And 2 Scum Reads Right Now.. All Because Of Votes.. Also This Can Change.. Once I See What Distorted Has To Say..

[Noz_Bugz]

Questions Comments?

can you explain the genius that is Runaway by kanye west

[Marshmallow Marshall]

True Miller does not NEED you to direct his actions and speculating it is only going to serve wolf.
Shut up about it.
But no. And here's why...

I would see Mafia claiming Miller :D

Mafia fake claiming would die for sure. It would put the situation like this on D3 :

D1 miller dies, a sheriff dies, 3v2, then we lynch the mafioso, 2v1, then we are at LYLO
OR D2 mafioso dies, then miller dies, still 2v1.

Why is this good? Framer cannot frame himself as town. Once two mafiosi have flipped, we can be 100% certain that town checks are town; if Framer flips early, then we will know that any Mafioso flip is town. It puts town in a pretty good situation, because it removes the "counter" to the mass sheriff stuff.

[Light_Yagami]

What is your hair color?

Irrelevant Please Watch Death Note.. And See My Hair Color.. Thanks..

[Light_Yagami]

can you explain the genius that is Runaway by kanye west

There Is No Genius There Only Mental Retardation..

[DJarJar]

can you explain the genius that is Runaway by kanye west

….you dirty sheep

[Noz_Bugz]

There Is No Genius There Only Mental Retardation..

i mean bold words go off sis

[Noz_Bugz]

….you dirty sheep

excuse me i’m freeeeeeee

[DJarJar]

Irrelevant Please Watch Death Note.. And See My Hair Color.. Thanks..

Wait, did they model Kira from death note off of you from real life? Suddenly everything is starting to make sense

[Ganelon]

so, it seems the consensus is that we should mass claim tomorrow/on Lylo, correct?

[Ganelon]

also Distorted still hasn't checked in KILL HIM, hes scum for sure

[Noz_Bugz]

so, it seems the consensus is that we should mass claim tomorrow/on Lylo, correct?

why is there an actual point to mass claiming in this setup?

[Damus_Graves]

So is that a no?
Here

Who wants to champion Ganelon and debate town or scum with me?
I would have hoped Ganelon would do it but he didn’t. “You didn’t read my post”
Poor response

[Ganelon]

why is there an actual point to mass claiming in this setup?
4 Sheriffs/1 Miller, if there's extra claims (which there will be) it's all a matter of seeing who's who

[DJarJar]

so, it seems the consensus is that we should mass claim tomorrow/on Lylo, correct?

IMO miller claim now as per what MM just outlined. If miller claims tomorrow i'd assume mafia would counterclaim (or claim first), and then we'd literally only have a 50% chance of lynching the right one on LYLO!

[Light_Yagami]

Basically This Will Come Down To A Sheriff Claim.. The Mafia Could Potentially If I Had To Guess Target Their Selves And Make Them Read As Town..

[Light_Yagami]

4 Sheriffs/1 Miller, if there's extra claims (which there will be) it's all a matter of seeing who's who

There Wont Be If The Town Votes Me As Mayor....

[Ganelon]

So is that a no?
@Her (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=8756) e

Who wants to champion Ganelon and debate town or scum with me?
I would have hoped Ganelon would do it but he didn’t. “You didn’t read my post”
Poor response
What do you want me to do, defend myself? I don't even know how or why I would do that, would much rather attack if that's what you're asking for.
I think I can see the points you made about the Miller but even so, you must admit that Miller claiming, in the absence of soft-claims, would 100% be a confirmed town (and it's a weird anti-town role confirmed town, hence why I wanted them out of the picture).
However, I really don't appreciate the fact that you have basically refused to answer WHY we shouldn't discuss Miller Strategies. I think we should always assume the Scum team will play optimally (in terms of night actions and etc) since they have a lot more info than we do, so I don't see the point to "not discussing Miller strategies".

[Damus_Graves]

There is only 1 acceptable course of action for a Miller in this game.
It’s brain zero WIFOM.
There’s no counter play to it and anyone who spends more than 10 seconds thinking about it should know what that play is.
Any further discussion muddles the significance of that play and i would view as an attempt to distract from
The clearly optimal play a miller should do.

[Light_Yagami]

What do you want me to do, defend myself? I don't even know how or why I would do that, would much rather attack if that's what you're asking for.
I think I can see the points you made about the Miller but even so, you must admit that Miller claiming, in the absence of soft-claims, would 100% be a confirmed town (and it's a weird anti-town role confirmed town, hence why I wanted them out of the picture).
However, I really don't appreciate the fact that you have basically refused to answer WHY we shouldn't discuss Miller Strategies. I think we should always assume the Scum team will play optimally (in terms of night actions and etc) since they have a lot more info than we do, so I don't see the point to "not discussing Miller strategies".

I Dont Think Anyone Has Even Soft Claimed Miller..

[Damus_Graves]

Also. Bruh.
You throw shade at a town slot. Like twice which you subtly acknowledged that you did.
Why shade a town slot ? What benefit does that give Town?

[Ganelon]

I Dont Think Anyone Has Even Soft Claimed Miller..
I meant hard-claim, not soft-claim (but same thing I guess?)
whatever, no sheriff should claim Miller btw

[Light_Yagami]

I meant hard-claim, not soft-claim (but same thing I guess?)
whatever, no sheriff should claim Miller btw

Thats My Point.. You Have Been Hunting Miller Since Game Start.. You Are Hunting The Miller And Were Hoping For An Easy Lynch On A Townie Today... Now Convince Me You Arent Scum...

[Ganelon]

Also. Bruh.
You throw shade at a town slot. Like twice which you subtly acknowledged that you did.
Why shade a town slot ? What benefit does that give Town?
Because Miller is an anti-town role that flips scum.
Granted, I was wrong to want them lynched no matter what :P but I still think they should reveal today, otherwise if Mafia claims Miller tomorrow (with Miller still alive) there's 50% chanceo f killing a town

the ONLY benefit I see to NOT claiming Miller is getting oneself killed at night

[Light_Yagami]

Because Miller is an anti-town role that flips scum.
Granted, I was wrong to want them lynched no matter what :P but I still think they should reveal today, otherwise if Mafia claims Miller tomorrow (with Miller still alive) there's 50% chanceo f killing a town

the ONLY benefit I see to NOT claiming Miller is getting oneself killed at night

Naw Im Sure There Will be A Zero Percent Chance That Town Will Be Lynched Tomorrow.. If It Comes Down To A Miller Claim..

[Ganelon]

Thats My Point.. You Have Been Hunting Miller Since Game Start.. You Are Hunting The Miller And Were Hoping For An Easy Lynch On A Townie Today... Now Convince Me You Arent Scum...
-_-
I hate defending myself, but finnnnne, I'll indulge you
I'll admit I was wrong to want them lynched, I just saw "Miller" and thought "hey heres a slot that is detrimental to the towns success and behind whom the Mafia would hide if given the chance, why not just lynch them", and that was my thought process. not totally incorrect btw :P just that Miller should only be lynched if there's a counterclaim

[Light_Yagami]

-_-
I hate defending myself, but finnnnne, I'll indulge you
I'll admit I was wrong to want them lynched, I just saw "Miller" and thought "hey heres a slot that is detrimental to the towns success and behind whom the Mafia would hide if given the chance, why not just lynch them", and that was my thought process. not totally incorrect btw :P just that Miller should only be lynched if there's a counterclaim

And Unlike You Im Not Thinking With A Scum Mind Set Depending On Who The Miller Is.. They Can And Should Strive To Be A Great Asset To The Town.. Given... That His Alignment Is Scum Aligned Even Though He/She Is Town.. Also Your Doing A Piss Poor Job Defending Yourself... Maybe You Should Try Some New Lines..

[Ganelon]

And Unlike You Im Not Thinking With A Scum Mind Set Depending On Who The Miller Is.. They Can And Should Strive To Be A Great Asset To The Town.. Given... That His Alignment Is Scum Aligned Even Though He/She Is Town.. Also Your Doing A Piss Poor Job Defending Yourself... Maybe You Should Try Some New Lines..
Well in that case I'm afraid I'm gonna have to disappoint you sir, I am done defending myself

[Light_Yagami]

Well in that case I'm afraid I'm gonna have to disappoint you sir, I am done defending myself

Role/LW Id Also Like Ur Intended N1 Target...

[DJarJar]

Strategies. I think we should always assume the Scum team will play optimally (in terms of night actions and etc) since they have a lot more info than we do, so I don't see the point to "not discussing Miller strategies".

bruh you once lynched me (that game I subbed in for PTB as a town escort) for ignoring one of your "DON'T DO THIS" warnings that didn't make any sense to me. I find it hard to believe you've swung around to my viewpoint on this and find Damus's view so strange when it's literally what you used to spam every game you were in.

[Ganelon]

bruh you once lynched me (that game I subbed in for PTB as a town escort) for ignoring one of your "DON'T DO THIS" warnings that didn't make any sense to me. I find it hard to believe you've swung around to my viewpoint on this and find Damus's view so strange when it's literally what you used to spam every game you were in.
I hate it when people tell me not to do something without saying what that is, and also, it just so happens that I am at the other end of the barrel right now :D

[Ganelon]

And I don’t find it strange, I find it annoying

[Damus_Graves]

Sus list
Ganelon


Null
Noz
Marshall

Town lean
Aamirus
Light o

[Damus_Graves]

Ganelon

Are you the real deal right now?

[Ganelon]

@Ganelon (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29730)

Are you the real deal right now?
I've always been real bruh what do you mean

[Damus_Graves]

I've always been real bruh what do you mean

Mmmmmm

That’s exactly what I mean. You real?

[Damus_Graves]

Noz_Bugz
Suspect list? I’m afraid I don’t know if you posted one or not

[Noz_Bugz]

Noz_Bugz
Suspect list? I’m afraid I don’t know if you posted one or not

posted gut reads mid page 2. nearly 2 am. haven’t been able to sleep at all

[Light_Yagami]

posted gut reads mid page 2. nearly 2 am. haven’t been able to sleep at all

What are Your Reads Now?

[DJarJar]

Assuming we lynch a town today, how are even supposed to solve a d2 LYLO 3 v 2? me thinx setup unbalanced

[Damus_Graves]

Just difficult.
Not a lot of room for mistakes on either side

[Ganelon]

Assuming we lynch a town today, how are even supposed to solve a d2 LYLO 3 v 2? me thinx setup unbalanced
I think Voss designed this setup in such a way that we would have to lynch today.

[Ganelon]

Aight. Misread the question cause im a dumb dumb
Benefits for town If the mayor sheeps the voters
~Minimizes damage if we get a scum mayor
~If the mayor doesn't sheep when asked it could lead towards them being scum? Idk im not an expert on VCA n shit.
Benefits for town if the mayor does whatever he damn pleases
~Could completely deny the scum a say in the actual lynch
~Could possibly find a scum if we get a scum mayor (?)
Benefits for the dastardly scum if the mayor sheeps
~Scum could influence the lynch
~Easier to hide if a scum is elected mayor
Benefits for scum when mayor could do whatever he fuckin wants
~Could throw town completely off track if a townie lynches a fellow townie.

Also im hesitant to say our mayor should be set in stone roughly 4 hours from SoD.
But out of those that have posted my prefrences list is
1.Damus, as I get a towny vibe from his posts
2.Me, the only reason im here second as I'm probably gonna fuck up in some way if i get it
3.Ganelon, I 100% dont trust Yagami with our lynch so thats the only reason he's here
4. Yagami, I dont trust yagami with the power to decide out lynch period. He would probably do whatever the fuck he wants if we tell him to go with the consensus which could let the scum skate by if he is town
so what do you think we should do then hmm?

[Ganelon]

Ganelons posts were not good.
What is this low tier narrative control? This subtle contradiction in his posts?




Straight up says dont discuss mayor, after calling it an interesting point. but alas? Why is it but alas Ganelon? Why do you state that only town can vote for this and why does that dismay you?
Why do you say this isnt important? This is a very important discussion point and you are bringing its significance down in a very scummy way.

I was talking about the plurality w/o majority thing. I dislike it because it disables hammering, which some might argue to be anti-town (now people can't get lynched midway through the day, so if it were a regular lynch, it would be slightly more difficult to pressure people). Only town can vote for plurality/ect, it's not important because of angleshooting/the fact that only town could've voted for it (and thus they all had town reasons in mind for choosing plurality w/o majority over other systems, so there is no scum motive that can be discerned for hunting).

How is it scummy? I don't understand.







What a troll vote. Is this a lynch vote or a mayor vote? Seems like a mayor vote but why would you vote at this level 0 play and word it to be trolly if you were town?

Mayor vote of course, and I don't see why I wouldn't troll about something like this early on
[/QUOTE]





What makes you trust distorted? Why vote him so lulz and follow up with this?
Nothing, it's just a meme :P


Why are you directing the Mayors behavior before a mayor is even chosen?

I'm not, I'm simply offering ideas. I'm stating what I believe to be the safest venture, mostly because Mayor lynch isn't that hot in this setup.
[/QUOTE]


Why are you telling the potential mayor to be a sheep?

I'll put it this way: if we agree that the Mayor should follow consensus, then I won't be mad if he kills someone else anyway if that someone else is Mafia (pref. Framer). However, if they go rogue and end up killing someone who wasn't being widely scumread (without a decent reason), then I'll want them gone.

[Ganelon]

early gut reads
Damus medium town
Ganeleon very slight scum lean
Aamirus null.
MM slight town
Light null.
how did I go from straight town to slight scum for you so fast?

[Damus_Graves]

I’m down.

You’ve convinced me

[Ganelon]

Distorted you scum bro? why haven't you checked in yet

[Voss]

I think Voss designed this setup in such a way that we would have to lynch today.

tsk tsk, host meta will get you no where.

[Light_Yagami]

I was talking about the plurality w/o majority thing. I dislike it because it disables hammering, which some might argue to be anti-town (now people can't get lynched midway through the day, so if it were a regular lynch, it would be slightly more difficult to pressure people). Only town can vote for plurality/ect, it's not important because of angleshooting/the fact that only town could've voted for it (and thus they all had town reasons in mind for choosing plurality w/o majority over other systems, so there is no scum motive that can be discerned for hunting).

How is it scummy? I don't understand.





Mayor vote of course, and I don't see why I wouldn't troll about something like this early on




Nothing, it's just a meme :P

I'm not, I'm simply offering ideas. I'm stating what I believe to be the safest venture, mostly because Mayor lynch isn't that hot in this setup.
[/QUOTE]

I'll put it this way: if we agree that the Mayor should follow consensus, then I won't be mad if he kills someone else anyway if that someone else is Mafia (pref. Framer). However, if they go rogue and end up killing someone who wasn't being widely scumread (without a decent reason), then I'll want them gone.[/QUOTE]

You Get An A For Effort.. But Im Still Not 100% Convinced Ur Town.. Still Pretty Sure Ur Scum.. But Willing To Revisit This Later.. Because, Theres Other PPL To Pressure.. And For Real Where Is Distorted.. Did He Forget About This Game.... Hmmmm..

[Light_Yagami]

Did The Quote Feature Break.. FML

[DJarJar]

Damn like 2 posts in half a day

[DJarJar]

Someone fight me

[Light_Yagami]

Quite Frankly I Feel Like We Are At An Impasse. Nothing New Will Be Discover At This Junction Unless Someone Has Something To Add.. Like IDK The Player That Hasnt Posted Yet..

[DJarJar]

Quite Frankly I Feel Like We Are At An Impasse. Nothing New Will Be Discover At This Junction Unless Someone Has Something To Add.. Like IDK The Player That Hasnt Posted Yet..

Are you scum?

[Light_Yagami]

Are you scum?


You Wish I Was Scum.. Im Just A Good Guy.. Even Trump Said So..

^ Please Note A Previous Comment

[DJarJar]

^ Please Note A Previous Comment

Okay but when I asked for proof of trump saying that, you couldn’t give it.... very sus

[Distorted]

ill be catching up soon, was busy through the weekend

[DJarJar]

ill be catching up soon, was busy through the weekend

You dirty scum, if you aren’t caught up within 10 seconds you’re lying! (Cuz there’s been like 5 posts)

[DJarJar]

.........

[Light_Yagami]

ill be catching up soon, was busy through the weekend

3 Hours Later..


Soon, Has Come To Pass..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Damn like 2 posts in half a day


Someone fight me

Sure :)

You don't have enough posts to say that... and more importantly, you're using the relative inactivity as a reason to post without adding actual content. All you did was question Damus with me, and say you agreed with me and Mag about the Miller strategy. This looks like a scum trying to pocket me/Mag, and even though Damus says things that are completely weird to me, you are straight up SCUMMY. -vote against Aamirus

I think Damus is town who tries to create discussion and has a weird point of view, even if I wouldn't give him mayor at all.
However, Aamirus is playing like a scum : carefully repeating what other people say, and poking on activity while being "inactive", or more accurately "falsely active", herself.

[Distorted]

That's because I wasn't in yet :) HERE I AM!!!

My apologies, I slightly forgot about the game because I was busy taking over Europe as Aztecs in Europa Universalis.

~~

First of all : WHY MAYOR VOTE?? Mayor vote is straight up anti-town, because it cuts us from the vital info that is provided by train analysis + pressure.
Second : It's not because it's only plurality that a vote isn't pressuring. Of course, it would be even better with majority included for this specific purpose, but votes are still deadly. Given that this is mayor vote, though, there is no real pressure outside of words and of the future mayor's reads.

~~

There was a meta change showing in Light's playstyle during the last games, so I will read him as if he was a player I did not know, this game. Light_Yagami you better make sense :)

~~

Time to read the thread. GL HF everyone!

Town MM.

[Distorted]

Same question here....


Angleshooting is breaking the spirit of the rules without "actually" breaking them, i.e. circumventing rules. If you're being dishonest and are trying to play on the wording of the rules, then you are angleshooting (note that the definition includes but does not limit to the aforementioned scenario).

Also note that angleshooting is an FM-wide punishable offense, so don't do it, not now nor never.

Town MM.

[Distorted]

Why? Miller is an anti-town role lol

theres currently 3/7 peeople who could be read as scum, if Framer uses his ability to frame someone as town that's only 2/7, Sheriff reads are inherently untrustworthy, if anything Miller should reveal right now

wtf is a miller? no link to setup in the game start post.......................

[Distorted]

also before Miller decides to reveal or whatever, if Miller reveals TODAY I would be in favour of lynching them (like having the Mayor execute them)
but problem (if you can call it a problem) is that that would put us at 3v2 tomorrow.

so maybe no lynch is a better idea whilst we form a town core? so only start lynching on d2?

idk, just a random thought, in Narrator we'd usually go for LyLo as it's easier (and more likely) to lynch scum at 3v2

if a confirmed town reveals today you are in favor of lynching them? wtf

[Distorted]

They'll flip Mafioso (I think?) so we'll at least have a clue (framer flip = actual framer).

if miller flips scum then fuck yes they should reveal today lol

[Distorted]

Any votes placed today will result in a vote toward electing the mayor. The mayor will decide what to do at EoD with the options being to eliminate someone, or skip the day.

....shit lol

[Distorted]

IMO miller claim now as per what MM just outlined. If miller claims tomorrow i'd assume mafia would counterclaim (or claim first), and then we'd literally only have a 50% chance of lynching the right one on LYLO!

this. miller needs to claim today.

[Distorted]

Assuming we lynch a town today, how are even supposed to solve a d2 LYLO 3 v 2? me thinx setup unbalanced

this is a town post. usually mafia wont post about how unbalanced for them the game is.

[Distorted]

Miller
Looks evil to investigative actions.
Flips as evil.

ok 100% miller needs to reveal today. Miller reveals, 0 counter claims then we can actually trust sheriff reads (for the most part). we DO lynch today. not lynching puts us in a more ideal voting scenario on paper, but the miller is who will be killed. so all a no-lynch scenario does is eliminate the voice of reason (miller, confirmed town) from the pool.

[Distorted]

marshmallow marshall for mayor if we are still on that phase? lol

[Light_Yagami]

Remember, A Vote For Me.. Is A Vote For Justice..


26106

[Distorted]

Remember, A Vote For Me.. Is A Vote For Justice..


26106

But you also claimed you did not want the responsiblity.

[Distorted]

But you also claimed you did not want the responsiblity.
Light_Yagami you want mayor votes now?

[Light_Yagami]

Light_Yagami you want mayor votes now?

I Think I Can Handle It.. But Am Also Afraid Of Fucking Town Of Fucking Town Over..

Also Can You Please Distorted Give Me A Solid Idea If U Had To Guess..
A)Who Scum Is Besides Mag.. Because He Has Been Coming Off As Pretty Scummy All Game..

B) And If You Were Guessing Who Do U Believe The Miller Is..

[Light_Yagami]

Also, If Im Elected Mayor It Doesnt Automatically Go To Night..

The Discussion Will Continue The Rest Of The Day..

[DJarJar]

Sure :)

You don't have enough posts to say that... and more importantly, you're using the relative inactivity as a reason to post without adding actual content. All you did was question Damus with me, and say you agreed with me and Mag about the Miller strategy. This looks like a scum trying to pocket me/Mag, and even though Damus says things that are completely weird to me, you are straight up SCUMMY. -vote against Aamirus

I think Damus is town who tries to create discussion and has a weird point of view, even if I wouldn't give him mayor at all.
However, Aamirus is playing like a scum : carefully repeating what other people say, and poking on activity while being "inactive", or more accurately "falsely active", herself.

Thank you for accepting the challenge youngling. However, you will need to stay in the thread for longer than 30 seconds in order for us to have a discussion. Unlike you, I am here and ready to discuss with anybody (there's just been nobody else besides me on), so I would say your claims about inactivity are pretty weak.

"all you did was question Damus with me"
Son, I questioned Damus long before you, and repeatedly, and he just kept dodging/ignoring the question. You piped in about Damus one time (apparently not having read the rest of the thread at the time). The thing I said I agreed with you on is that the Miller should reveal (and again, I had also posted as much BEFORE you said anything about it). So, everything you've claimed to have done I did FIRST. If you want, I can post quotes for you since apparently you're not reading the whole thread (which only has like 10 posts in it? wtf MM?)

[DJarJar]

I Think I Can Handle It.. But Am Also Afraid Of Fucking Town Of Fucking Town Over..

Also Can You Please Distorted Give Me A Solid Idea If U Had To Guess..
A)Who Scum Is Besides Mag.. Because He Has Been Coming Off As Pretty Scummy All Game..

B) And If You Were Guessing Who Do U Believe The Miller Is..

the scummiest person so far IMO is noz, for caving on his opinions as soon as damus questioned him

[DJarJar]

Also, If Im Elected Mayor It Doesnt Automatically Go To Night..

The Discussion Will Continue The Rest Of The Day..

???????????????
It's plurality without majority. That means whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will be elected mayor. Voss stated in the opening post that you're supposed to PM him who you would want lynched if you get elected mayor. There will be no day extension after mayor is elected I'm pretty sure.

[DJarJar]

Night 0

Day 1 Ends in
[Countdown Timers Cannot be Quoted from Other Posts]

Players
Light_Yagami
Distorted
Ganelon
Noz_Bugz
Damus_Graves
aamirus
Marshmallow Marshall

The vote type is plurality with no majority, with mayor as the vote option. Submit your vote for mayor publicly. I will allow self votes. Self votes are indicated by a lack of a vote.

You may not vote to skip, but the mayor may choose to skip the day.

You must submit your vote target to me privately by end of day, especially if you're going to end up being the mayor. You may change your target as many times as you want.

I'm also willing to end the Day 1 early at everyone's request.








see here

[Distorted]

I Think I Can Handle It.. But Am Also Afraid Of Fucking Town Of Fucking Town Over..

Also Can You Please Distorted Give Me A Solid Idea If U Had To Guess..
A)Who Scum Is Besides Mag.. Because He Has Been Coming Off As Pretty Scummy All Game..

B) And If You Were Guessing Who Do U Believe The Miller Is..


I think Damus left himself an option to claim Miller. I think he has a specific strtegy in mind and doesnt want it discussed so its not "discovered".

Noz, for the exact reason aamirus mentioned. easily chagned his opinion and has been kinda fluffy this game. however, he was like that as town last game so not too confident in scum reads. im looking for town right now over scum.

[Distorted]

Also, If Im Elected Mayor It Doesnt Automatically Go To Night..

The Discussion Will Continue The Rest Of The Day..

If you are elected mayor, what will you do with the day 1? lynch, no lynch?

[DJarJar]

there's just been nobody else besides me on

Well, Light has been on to be fair but I don't know what to say to him. His new meta seems to be playing like Efe does.

[Distorted]

aamirus as mayor, whta would ur situation be with lynch/no lynch?

[Distorted]

Noz_Bugz why are you not a good lynch for today?

[DJarJar]

If you are elected mayor, what will you do with the day 1? lynch, no lynch?

there has to be a lynch. It'd be LYLO tomorrow even if we skipped today

[Distorted]

Miller claiming gives us a confirmed town. any CC and we can get a confirmed scum D1/D2. if all sheriffs coordinate who to check, we can prolly get a 50/50 on D3/D4 as well since either 1 sheriff will have to lie and 1 person will pick up a framed target.

[Distorted]

Miller
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Framer
Goon


Miller claims = confirmed town.

leaving 6 sheriff claims.

1 checks 2, 2 checks 3, 3 checks 4, 4 checks 5, 5 checks 6, 6 checks 1.

Mafia would have no choice but to lie about results. but i think we this we would be able to confirm 1-2 towns in the process.

[Light_Yagami]

If you are elected mayor, what will you do with the day 1? lynch, no lynch?

Havent Completely Decided That Yet However, Im Leaning Towards A Ganelon Lynch

[Light_Yagami]

???????????????
It's plurality without majority. That means whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will be elected mayor. Voss stated in the opening post that you're supposed to PM him who you would want lynched if you get elected mayor. There will be no day extension after mayor is elected I'm pretty sure.

Oh You Get It.. I Want The Most Bang For The Buck.. Every Second Counts..

[Distorted]

Miller
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Framer
Goon


Miller claims = confirmed town.

leaving 6 sheriff claims.

1 checks 2, 2 checks 3, 3 checks 4, 4 checks 5, 5 checks 6, 6 checks 1.

Mafia would have no choice but to lie about results. but i think we this we would be able to confirm 1-2 towns in the process.

theoretically we would have 3 red checks. (with framer) if we do not hit a D1 mafia lynch.

if we have 4, well then we know there is at least 1 sheriff in the fake red checks. and from that, we can hopefully narrow down who towns are.

if we DO get a maf lynch D1 - then we will have 2 red checks. leaves a 50/50 for framed target. unless the mafia decides to lie and say some1 else is red which we instnatly know then 1 of the 3 red checks is lying, so our mafia is a 33% chacne now. down to 1 of 3 people.

[Distorted]

theoretically we would have 3 red checks. (with framer) if we do not hit a D1 mafia lynch.

if we have 4, well then we know there is at least 1 sheriff in the fake red checks. and from that, we can hopefully narrow down who towns are.

if we DO get a maf lynch D1 - then we will have 2 red checks. leaves a 50/50 for framed target. unless the mafia decides to lie and say some1 else is red which we instnatly know then 1 of the 3 red checks is lying, so our mafia is a 33% chacne now. down to 1 of 3 people.

the big flaw where we can mess up with this strategy is if somehow we select a mafia to check another mafia. that leaves them able to manipulate results. so if we mislynch on D1 it still puts us in a pretty tough spot - but maximum info will have come out of the night.

if we do hit a mafia D1, we can pretty much lock the game.

[Distorted]

the big flaw where we can mess up with this strategy is if somehow we select a mafia to check another mafia. that leaves them able to manipulate results. so if we mislynch on D1 it still puts us in a pretty tough spot - but maximum info will have come out of the night.

if we do hit a mafia D1, we can pretty much lock the game.

BUT, that would mean 1 of the mafia would lie and say his red check is green. so we would now know to look in the green pool for a mafia since we would have 1 less red check.

[Light_Yagami]

the big flaw where we can mess up with this strategy is if somehow we select a mafia to check another mafia. that leaves them able to manipulate results. so if we mislynch on D1 it still puts us in a pretty tough spot - but maximum info will have come out of the night.

if we do hit a mafia D1, we can pretty much lock the game.

You Are Insisting Upon Yourself Distorted.. Hmmm... Hmmmm...

[Light_Yagami]

Also, What If The Miller Claims Sheriff?

[Damus_Graves]

Also, What If The Miller Claims Sheriff?

what?

[DJarJar]

Miller
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Framer
Goon


Miller claims = confirmed town.

leaving 6 sheriff claims.

1 checks 2, 2 checks 3, 3 checks 4, 4 checks 5, 5 checks 6, 6 checks 1.

Mafia would have no choice but to lie about results. but i think we this we would be able to confirm 1-2 towns in the process.

true but if we skip today and lynch tomorrow and get it wrong the game is over. And i'd assume in that scenario it'd be 50/50 with 1 mafia being accused by a legit sheriff and the other mafia accusing a townie. So even then it's not an ideal situation. But I do like your idea of coordinating the checks. Town points for that as it really hurts the mafia. Hadn't even thought of that. But we need the miller to claim.

[Distorted]

But I feel like doing this strategy we can narrow down WHERE the mafia are. if its 1 in the green checks and 1 in the red. or both in green, both in red ect.

if we have 1 maf left, we should be able to find out which section he is in, thus confirming like half the game in the process (2-3 towns)

[Damus_Graves]

Light are you scum this game?

[Light_Yagami]

Also, What If The Miller Claims Sheriff?

Would That Be Game Throwing I Wonder?

[Damus_Graves]

Sure :)

You don't have enough posts to say that... and more importantly, you're using the relative inactivity as a reason to post without adding actual content. All you did was question Damus with me, and say you agreed with me and Mag about the Miller strategy. This looks like a scum trying to pocket me/Mag, and even though Damus says things that are completely weird to me, you are straight up SCUMMY. -vote against Aamirus

I think Damus is town who tries to create discussion and has a weird point of view, even if I wouldn't give him mayor at all.
However, Aamirus is playing like a scum : carefully repeating what other people say, and poking on activity while being "inactive", or more accurately "falsely active", herself.

I really dislike this post. Its weak content and shade. The info in this post isn't supported by quotes from the game, there is intentionally ambiguous wording like "weird POV" and MM is being overly explanatory where it isn't necessary.

[Distorted]

Would That Be Game Throwing I Wonder?

The miller claiming sheriff removes any information that town can gather through night actions. so roleclaims become completely useless. if the miller does not claim today, red checks DO NOT MATTER, meaning sheriff claims do not matter at all anymore - thus its pretty much a standard all citizen 2 mafioso setup.

[Light_Yagami]

Light are you scum this game?

As Well That Depends On What You Mean? Because, Just Because, The Fact That A Town Reads As Scum By Sheriff On Day Start. Does That Make Him/Her Scum?

[Distorted]

The miller not revealing now, if we hit a mafia on a D1 lynch he will obviously claim miller before being lynched, leading to the miller having to cc and out himself either way. So, a miller hiding is providing the mafia with an out for later. by D2, miller claims no longer matter. we lose the potential to get a confirmed town slot.

[Distorted]

The miller not revealing now, if we hit a mafia on a D1 lynch he will obviously claim miller before being lynched, leading to the miller having to cc and out himself either way. So, a miller hiding is providing the mafia with an out for later. by D2, miller claims no longer matter. we lose the potential to get a confirmed town slot.

so

MILLER MUST CLAIM TODAY


the longer the miller waits, the more time town loses on analyzing possible the wrong people and creating the wrong reads/PoE

[Light_Yagami]

so

MILLER MUST CLAIM TODAY


the longer the miller waits, the more time town loses on analyzing possible the wrong people and creating the wrong reads/PoE

Will You Take The Red Pill.. Or The Blue Distorted?

[DJarJar]

Will You Take The Red Pill.. Or The Blue Distorted?

are you claiming miller?

[Light_Yagami]

Id Actually Like To Hear From Noz_Bugz Again..

[Light_Yagami]

are you claiming miller?

Are You? If Not Whats Your Claim?

[Damus_Graves]

I really dislike this post. Its weak content and shade. The info in this post isn't supported by quotes from the game, there is intentionally ambiguous wording like "weird POV" and MM is being overly explanatory where it isn't necessary.
aamirus
what do you make of Marshalls post?

[DJarJar]

Thank you for accepting the challenge youngling. However, you will need to stay in the thread for longer than 30 seconds in order for us to have a discussion. Unlike you, I am here and ready to discuss with anybody (there's just been nobody else besides me on), so I would say your claims about inactivity are pretty weak.

"all you did was question Damus with me"
Son, I questioned Damus long before you, and repeatedly, and he just kept dodging/ignoring the question. You piped in about Damus one time (apparently not having read the rest of the thread at the time). The thing I said I agreed with you on is that the Miller should reveal (and again, I had also posted as much BEFORE you said anything about it). So, everything you've claimed to have done I did FIRST. If you want, I can post quotes for you since apparently you're not reading the whole thread (which only has like 10 posts in it? wtf MM?)

Damus_Graves

[Light_Yagami]

Are You? If Not Whats Your Claim?

Oh Wait It Would Have To Be Sheriff So Lets Surmise For A Moment That I Am Miller.. And Everyone Else Will Claim Sheriff.. Based On That Who Is Scum?

[DJarJar]

Are You? If Not Whats Your Claim?

No, I am not the miller. Are you the miller?

[Light_Yagami]

No, I am not the miller. Are you the miller?

You Tell Me Who You Think Miller Is..

[Distorted]

Oh Wait It Would Have To Be Sheriff So Lets Surmise For A Moment That I Am Miller.. And Everyone Else Will Claim Sheriff.. Based On That Who Is Scum?

based on that you are now eliminated from the lynch pool and looked at more seriously (ur opinions ect)

It also allows us to organize checks so we can check everyone. This leads to 2 pools forming: red checks, and green checks. Depending on if we have too many, or too few green/red checks we can find where the mafia are in those checks/claims. If we lynch 1 mafia now, it pretty much allows us to confirmed 2-3 towns tomorrow, thus locking the game PoE.

If we do not lynch a mafia today, it leaves us in a tougher spot, however it removes the mafias ability to fake claim miller and try to cause confusion via checks and role claims. it removes mafias ability to hide.

[Distorted]

based on that you are now eliminated from the lynch pool and looked at more seriously (ur opinions ect)

It also allows us to organize checks so we can check everyone. This leads to 2 pools forming: red checks, and green checks. Depending on if we have too many, or too few green/red checks we can find where the mafia are in those checks/claims. If we lynch 1 mafia now, it pretty much allows us to confirmed 2-3 towns tomorrow, thus locking the game PoE.

If we do not lynch a mafia today, it leaves us in a tougher spot, however it removes the mafias ability to fake claim miller and try to cause confusion via checks and role claims. it removes mafias ability to hide.

like, imagine we have 4 ppl with red checks. thts not possible, so obviously there is 1 mafia in that pool claiming a red check. now say there is only 2 red checks (with 2 mafia alive) then obviously 1 of the mafia is saying a green check. so 1 of the people saying green check is lying. if we hvae 2 mafia alive still D2, and we have the appropriate number of red and green checks, then we have a mafia in both red and green checks. so 1 each. so that doesnt help too much, but it allows us to look at alignments between the correct groups of people.

It also, once again, eliminates the mafias ONLY role they can try to fake claim in Lylo to keep themself alive.

[Light_Yagami]

based on that you are now eliminated from the lynch pool and looked at more seriously (ur opinions ect)

It also allows us to organize checks so we can check everyone. This leads to 2 pools forming: red checks, and green checks. Depending on if we have too many, or too few green/red checks we can find where the mafia are in those checks/claims. If we lynch 1 mafia now, it pretty much allows us to confirmed 2-3 towns tomorrow, thus locking the game PoE.

If we do not lynch a mafia today, it leaves us in a tougher spot, however it removes the mafias ability to fake claim miller and try to cause confusion via checks and role claims. it removes mafias ability to hide.

And Thats Why The Miller Who Ever That Person Is.. Should Want Everyone To Cast The Ballots Properly When The Time Is Right.. Every Second Counts..

[Distorted]

And Thats Why The Miller Who Ever That Person Is.. Should Want Everyone To Cast The Ballots Properly When The Time Is Right.. Every Second Counts..

the miller NEEDS to reveal. any other strategy is making all roles irrelevant.

[Distorted]

the miller NEEDS to reveal. any other strategy is making all roles irrelevant.

a miller staying hidden damages the town. a miller revealing removes a PoE and gives everyone a confirmed pure opinion. if you are miller yagami, u need to claim it. the sooner the better so we can focus on the CORRECT PEOPLE in our PoE.

[DJarJar]

Distorted

[Distorted]

a miller staying hidden damages the town. a miller revealing removes a PoE and gives everyone a confirmed pure opinion. if you are miller yagami, u need to claim it. the sooner the better so we can focus on the CORRECT PEOPLE in our PoE.

The setup is staged to night actions being confusing for town and easily manipulated by mafia. we need to remove their ability to do that best we can to make our night actions actually mean something.

[Light_Yagami]

the miller NEEDS to reveal. any other strategy is making all roles irrelevant.

I Think The Person Has... But Someone Is Just To Blind To See.. You Ever Heard Of Hansel And Gretel?

*Throws A Bread Crumb*

[Distorted]

I Think The Person Has... But Someone Is Just To Blind To See.. You Ever Heard Of Hansel And Gretel?

*Throws A Bread Crumb*

I'm looking for the hard claim on it. Since i feel like damus has been softing it also.

btw Damus_Graves whats your thoughts on it all? you have been pushing for no1 to talk about miller all game so far and not talking at all about it. well my thoughts are 100% the opposite, so curious where u stand with it all. You came in replying to posts then left when u got to mine. you were quoting the ones right before it, then right after (u quoted ur own post but it was after my posts).

[Distorted]

If I had to pick a PoE right now it would be Ganelon, Noz, Damus.

[DJarJar]

I'm looking for the hard claim on it. Since i feel like damus has been softing it also.

btw Damus_Graves whats your thoughts on it all? you have been pushing for no1 to talk about miller all game so far and not talking at all about it. well my thoughts are 100% the opposite, so curious where u stand with it all. You came in replying to posts then left when u got to mine. you were quoting the ones right before it, then right after (u quoted ur own post but it was after my posts).

echoing the thoughts of everyone in the thread but damus staying quiet. IDK I think he's miller and going to claim at EOD

[Light_Yagami]

a miller staying hidden damages the town. a miller revealing removes a PoE and gives everyone a confirmed pure opinion. if you are miller yagami, u need to claim it. the sooner the better so we can focus on the CORRECT PEOPLE in our PoE.

*Rolls Eye*

Take Your Sun Glasses Off..

[Distorted]

Framer
Frame other people for murder, changing most investigation results on them. Can frame as town or mafia.

so it looks like framer can NOT self frame Voss is that correct?

however, him being able to frame as town/mafia does pose some form of issue with 2 maf left. He can frame his mafia buddy as town AND fake claim another red check. so the red/green check balance wouldn't be interrupted. but that would still mean the framer would be red checked. and with a maf green checked, that would make the red check now believable because the only way we could come to the results we come to is IF the mafia frame their partner as town - literally we would only have 1 red check, and that would be on the framer.

but if somehow the partner of the mafia is the person who checks the framer, and he lies then we have ALL green checks. im trying to wrap my head around these scenarios lol
Voss if the mafioso/goon is lynched today, and just the framer remains - can he frame AND carry out the kill?

[Light_Yagami]

Framer
Frame other people for murder, changing most investigation results on them. Can frame as town or mafia.

so it looks like framer can NOT self frame Voss is that correct?

however, him being able to frame as town/mafia does pose some form of issue with 2 maf left. He can frame his mafia buddy as town AND fake claim another red check. so the red/green check balance wouldn't be interrupted. but that would still mean the framer would be red checked. and with a maf green checked, that would make the red check now believable because the only way we could come to the results we come to is IF the mafia frame their partner as town - literally we would only have 1 red check, and that would be on the framer.

but if somehow the partner of the mafia is the person who checks the framer, and he lies then we have ALL green checks. im trying to wrap my head around these scenarios lol
Voss if the mafioso/goon is lynched today, and just the framer remains - can he frame AND carry out the kill?

I Legit Already Said That..

[Distorted]

echoing the thoughts of everyone in the thread but damus staying quiet. IDK I think he's miller and going to claim at EOD

EoD claim though would be bad... because we then spend all day today keeping 1 extra person in a PoE we shouldent be. doing fancy plays and tricks here wont help town at all. literally every result and role we have can be manipulated or fake claims... we need to get it out of the way early, allowing time for counter claims to solidify his spot. if he claims EoD then a mafia can still say "well im the miller, i wasnt on so didnt see the claim". leaving to a possible credible counterclaim. i mean it could be legit to, mafia may claim it EoD so no1 else can counterclaim. it just messes with what we can organize on D1.

[Distorted]

EoD claim though would be bad... because we then spend all day today keeping 1 extra person in a PoE we shouldent be. doing fancy plays and tricks here wont help town at all. literally every result and role we have can be manipulated or fake claims... we need to get it out of the way early, allowing time for counter claims to solidify his spot. if he claims EoD then a mafia can still say "well im the miller, i wasnt on so didnt see the claim". leaving to a possible credible counterclaim. i mean it could be legit to, mafia may claim it EoD so no1 else can counterclaim. it just messes with what we can organize on D1.

if mafia want to try to fake claim it today, they literally have to out 1 of them. tht leads to a guaranteed day 1 or day 2 mafia lynch. putting the game in a great PoE for town, even if we do mislynch the wrong claim D1.

[Light_Yagami]

EoD claim though would be bad... because we then spend all day today keeping 1 extra person in a PoE we shouldent be. doing fancy plays and tricks here wont help town at all. literally every result and role we have can be manipulated or fake claims... we need to get it out of the way early, allowing time for counter claims to solidify his spot. if he claims EoD then a mafia can still say "well im the miller, i wasnt on so didnt see the claim". leaving to a possible credible counterclaim. i mean it could be legit to, mafia may claim it EoD so no1 else can counterclaim. it just messes with what we can organize on D1.

However, Nobody Has Claimed Thus Far.. But Im Wondering If Miller Claims Sheriff Would That Be Throwing Depending On The Reasons?

[Damus_Graves]

I would have claimed it in my first post if I were Miller.
I didn’t want to discuss Miller strategy because it should have been obvious what any good player would do as Miller. I was holding a tiny hope Mafia would claim Miller and get ccd even though I knew that was low tier play and unlikely to happen.

[Damus_Graves]

I think Miller is between Ganelon and Light.
Light has strong scum equity and Marshall is pinging me as scum with the most recent post of his.
Everyone else doesn’t ping me as scum like those two do