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BorkBot

January 16th, 2012, 09:47 AM

Hour 1: Prospects of Peace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYQGYUOcsfM&feature=related

The following takes place between 4:00 PM and 5:00 PM.

At the United Nations headquarters in New York, the President of the United States of America, Allison Taylor, is negotiating with President Omar Hassan of Kamistan about the dismantling of his country's nuclear weapons programme. It is widely expected that the two of them will come to an agreement and that President Hassan will announce the end of these operations. For a long time, the situation in Kamistan has been restless. Many of its people have opposed Hassan's political agenda, in which he has made great effort to reach out to the west. At first, the resistance was vocal and sometimes violent, but the rebels were forcefully subdued by the strong and charismatic leader of Kamistan. It is rumoured that some still do work against Omar Hassan, but now they operate in secret. Hassan has become somewhat paranoid as a result, but that won't keep him from realising his dream.

Meanwhile at CTU, reports have come in of a number of small bombings in the backstreets of New York. Nothing big enough for any known terrorist organisations to claim responsibility, but the confined explosions indicate that very specific targets are being hit. A body was discovered at all but one of the scenes; the residence of a man named Victor Aruz. Chloe O'Brian contacts the retired Jack Bauer to work on the case and track the man down. Initially he isn't at all interested in working for the government again, but his daughter Kim convinces him that he will likely be laden with guilt if he later finds out that he could have done something to avert another disaster. He reluctantly agrees to look into it. He owes Chloe more than a few favours, after all...

Alive:
Terrorist Leader
Hidden Terrorist PR *
Hidden Terrorist PR *
The President
Bodyguard
Vigilante (Jack Bauer)
Hidden Civilian PR **
Hidden Civilian PR **
Hidden Civilian PR **
Hidden CTU Agent ***
Hidden CTU Agent ***
Hidden CTU Mole ***
Arsonist

* Hidden Terrorist PR: Blackmailer, Consort, Framer, Janitor, Mafioso
** Hidden Civilian PR: Bus Driver, Coroner, Doctor, Escort, Sheriff
*** Hidden CTU Agent: Detective, Investigator, Lookout
*** Hidden CTU Mole: Detective, Investigator, Lookout

Graveyard:
-

The intention of this first "Day" is to ask clarification about about rules and roles and to get to know each other a little, so to speak. There are no elections and no lynches today. Role PMs will be sent shortly.

The FAQ thread can be found here: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/4227-24-MFM-Rules-and-FAQ-thread?p=73565

The day ends at this time: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=january+17+2AM+gmt

Deathfire123

January 16th, 2012, 10:18 AM

Well then, this ought to be fun, I've seen a grand total of one episode of 24.

Escaho

January 16th, 2012, 10:56 AM

God, I loved 24. Chloe O'Brien ftw!

BorkBot

January 16th, 2012, 11:13 AM

Please refrain from mentioning the RP names in day chat unless you refer to the graveyard, when someone is known. It's too much of a hassle to make specific rules for when something is or isn't implied.

If I see any messages that could even vaguely imply something after this post, there will be sanctions.

Ubernox

January 16th, 2012, 11:13 AM

Tracer Bullet is on the case.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/ocelott/tracer.jpg

In fact, we know almost nothing on day 1.

Mopin

January 16th, 2012, 11:23 AM

I don't know a thing about 24.

Though I do know that I'm a town power role!

GameFreak

January 16th, 2012, 11:31 AM

I don't know a thing about 24.

Though I do know that I'm a town power role!

Scum kthxbai

McJesus

January 16th, 2012, 11:48 AM

Lets do this! 24 ftw

BorkBot

January 16th, 2012, 12:05 PM

About the no RP name rule... it might seem harsh because it's fun to talk about the characters and all, but allow me to explain why it's prohibited.

People who have seen the show and know the names of the characters could be at an advantage if the RP names are used in "code." They could mention their own RP name to prove whose side they are on, and if mentioning your own RP name is forbidden then you could mention all the others to prove whose side you are on. For instance, Chloe O'Brian is obviously not a terrorist. If any of the evils haven't seen the show, they won't know what RP names could be said to mask themselves. Therefore, it's only fair to try and avoid mentioning them.

Though as I said, speaking about dead people is fine :)

PS. even for people who aren't fans of the series, Season 8 (which this FM is partially based on) is really worth watching. Of course not everything that happens is entirely credible, but the acting, the action and the suspenseful and often surprising scenario are all great.

Escaho

January 16th, 2012, 12:10 PM

I found season 8 to only be worthwhile if you haven't seen the rest of the show. I mean, some parts are great, but the entire mole plot was...so terrible. However, Season 5, imo, is the best season.

Deathfire123

January 16th, 2012, 12:29 PM

Luna sent me a rep message is that allowed?

TheWaaagh

January 16th, 2012, 12:34 PM

Go Go post to prevent modkill!

BorkBot

January 16th, 2012, 12:35 PM

Rep messages are NOT allowed. Luna can rep whatever she wants as long as she doesn't give information from other people. She's just observing, not participating.

Goremancer

January 16th, 2012, 01:00 PM

I have never seen this. I think borky is gf again. He's been mafia twice. And he's really scummy. He writes with yellow. COME ON GUYS HE"S SO SCUM.

BBmolla

January 16th, 2012, 02:02 PM

Day 0 we meet again.

-skip

Ubernox

January 16th, 2012, 02:34 PM

Seconded.

-skip

McJesus

January 16th, 2012, 02:45 PM

-skip

Deathfire123

January 16th, 2012, 03:02 PM

-skip

Escaho

January 16th, 2012, 03:19 PM

-skip

Skip count is now at 5.

It must reach 7 to skip. (7/13 players)

Mopin

January 16th, 2012, 03:26 PM

Escaho trying to seem friendly by talking about the show while being especially eager about skipping the day... = scum.

-Skip

Just saying.

TheWaaagh

January 16th, 2012, 03:29 PM

-skip

Ubernox

January 16th, 2012, 03:37 PM

Skipped day is skipped.

CmG

January 16th, 2012, 03:50 PM

-skip ping is evil mkay!?

BorkBot

January 16th, 2012, 03:52 PM

Sorry, but this day won't be skipped :|

It'll stay open until 2 AM GMT so that the remaining players have a chance to log on and ask questions if they have any.

CmG

January 16th, 2012, 03:55 PM

Sorry, but this day won't be skipped :|

It'll stay open until 2 AM GMT so that the remaining players have a chance to log on and ask questions if they have any.

CmG thinks Borkbot is a Cylon!

Borkbot evil scientist. working in cellar on bombs!

BorkBot

January 16th, 2012, 03:58 PM

Ssssh! Don't tell anyone!

McJesus

January 16th, 2012, 03:59 PM

well as long as we have a pointless day I would like to remind everyone to sign up for my m-fm.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/4472-M-FMV-Wings-of-Liberty-signups

CmG

January 16th, 2012, 04:35 PM

well as long as we have a pointless day I would like to remind everyone to sign up for my m-fm.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/4472-M-FMV-Wings-of-Liberty-signups

You know no shame do you?

McJesus

January 16th, 2012, 04:40 PM

I thought we allready established that I don't.

CmG

January 16th, 2012, 04:44 PM

Is that 24 thing any good? Never watched it. Somebody who is called Jack Farmer in german doesn't sound that cool to me.

Deathfire123

January 16th, 2012, 04:56 PM

As long as we're not talking about shame, M-FM IV EPILOGUE IS OUT!

Ubernox

January 16th, 2012, 04:56 PM

Heck, I'll sign up.

BorkBot

January 16th, 2012, 04:58 PM

Is that 24 thing any good? Never watched it. Somebody who is called Jack Farmer in german doesn't sound that cool to me.
Heh :p

It's a healthy combination of thriller, action and drama. The main focus is on CTU (a counter terrorism unit) in service of the US government, dealing with various types of threats ranging from political assassinations to underground nuclear warfare.

It's not some straight forward fight between good guys vs bad guys though. Good guys may work against other good guys because they have their own agendas and so do the bad guys. There are always traitors and corrupt members of the government messing things up, and guys on the "good side" have faults and characteristics that make them very human. The same can be said for the antagonists, who regularly display good traits as well so they aren't plainly despicable and unimaginative.

Deathfire123

January 16th, 2012, 05:00 PM

BORKBOT ACCEPT YOUR REWARD!

Goremancer

January 16th, 2012, 05:06 PM

CmG I already established Borky is scum. Quit stealing posts =.=

CmG

January 16th, 2012, 05:32 PM

CmG I already established Borky is scum. Quit stealing posts =.=

kk. I sorry i found lurking is gud on this boards. Cuz nobody gives jack shit about it. So i am away lurking cya tomorrow!

Escaho

January 16th, 2012, 05:33 PM

Is that 24 thing any good? Never watched it. Somebody who is called Jack Farmer in german doesn't sound that cool to me.

Yeah, and in addition to BorkBot's description: Each day is the span of 24 hours, with each episode being one hour in length of that day. Each day generally follows CTU trying to prevent a major terrorist act (or, in some seasons, many terrorist acts) from hitting all sorts of different targets.

Goremancer

January 16th, 2012, 05:37 PM

WELL SINCE CMG IS GONNA LURK, I'M BRINGING BACK THE HEADACHE FONT AGAIN.

CmG

January 16th, 2012, 05:44 PM

Oh! Did you know that shooting lurkers is bad if you are scum? Chances are good that lurkers turn active through it and scum has to play more active through it. Or getting fished out really fast.

McJesus

January 16th, 2012, 06:15 PM

24 was a propaganda piece designed to make the eroding of civil liberties and torture look sexy so the general public would accept the tactics. The war on terror was just another bullshit term made up by the United States to allow them to get away with a ton of bullshit... just saying.

Deathfire123

January 16th, 2012, 06:42 PM

Dem lurkers gunna lurk

BorkBot

January 16th, 2012, 07:07 PM

THE HOUR HAS ENDED.

You may no longer speak in this thread.

Night chats are open, and you may send me your night actions in PMs. The terrorists may post their actions in their night chat, but the agents of CTU may use PMs if they prefer to do so.

RP will be posted shortly.

BorkBot

January 16th, 2012, 08:23 PM

Hour 2 (Night): Suspected of Treason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4JbHH8Y3LA

The following takes place between 5:00 PM and 6:00 PM.

The search for the missing Victor Aruz has only been on for just about half an hour when the man is spotted on surveillance cameras. Jack is informed that he has sought refuge within an abandoned apartment complex, probably exhausted from running and injured from the bombing, but knowing full well that his attacker will not cease the hunt until he is dead. Making haste and ignoring various laws established for traffic to be smooth and orderly, Jack Bauer arrives on the scene and finds Aruz, who pulls a gun on his expected, but unknown visitor in the blink of an eye.

"Stand down!" Jack utters with his own gun aimed at the heart of the dark-haired man, who is surrounded by a smell of sweat and blood. "I'm with CTU. I'm here to escort you to safety."

At that, Victor lowers his weapon and eases slightly, although the gaze in his eyes remains tense.

"Do you have any idea why they're after you, Victor?" Jack continues.

"Perhaps, but I will keep that to myself until I'm safe. All the more reason for you to do your best to protect me, right?" Victor replies with an uneasy grin.

"Right. Let's get out of here then"

The two of them hurry out of the empty room, down the stairs and out of a side entrance of the building, sticking close to the walls and making use of any objects that could provide cover as they make their way for Jack's vehicle. Halfway through the alley, a shot is fired from the roof of a nearby building. A sniper. It misses Victor's head by no more than a few inches and bounces off the wall.

"Crap," says jack, gritting his teeth. He snatches his car keys from his pocket and opens the door remotely. "The black one over there is mine. Make a run for it, I'll cover you."

Victor Aruz does as commanded and Jack does as promised, firing a few shots in the general direction of the figure on the roof to force him into cover while he follows close behind Victor. Just as Jack jumps into his seat and swings the door shut, another shot is fired through the car's window. The projectile hits Victor near the jugular vein, and the wound bleeds fiercely.

Jack promises Victor that he will do all he can to get him medical help as quickly as possible, but realises that the chance he'll survive is minimal. Aruz knows this as well, and in his dying breath he shares his secret with Agent Bauer.

"Someone is planning to assassinate President Hassan. Someone... close..."

Bauer returns to CTU HQ, frustrated that he failed to protect this unexpected informant. The body is taken care of and CTU director Brian Hastings calls Jack to his office for debriefing. The troubling news immediately becomes a case and a good portion of CTU staff is set to work on it.

A little bit of fishing by Dana Walsh reveals that an American reporter known by the name Meredith Reed is supposedly having an affair with the President of Kamistan. Reed's computer was used to hack into the UN database to download files containing security information and floor plans. The reporter is brought in for questioning, but she doesn't seem to have a whole lot to say.

For Chloe, it seems all too easy. Her attempts to convince Hastings that this might be a frame job fall on deaf ears. She continues to search for clues that might support her suspicions on her own, with a little bit of help from the nosy Arlo Glass, who seems to stick his nose in everyone's business. Especially the business of his female colleagues.

The "night" ends at this time: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=january+18+11%3A59PM+gmt

BorkBot

January 17th, 2012, 02:20 PM

Because the site has been down for about half a day, the night has been extended and will end on Wednesday 11:59 PM GMT so that everyone has a fair chance to submit their actions. Sorry for the inconvenience.

BorkBot

January 19th, 2012, 04:58 PM

Hour 3 (Day): Chasing Ghosts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_L0S9T7CRQ

The following takes place between 6:00 PM and 7:00 PM.

Evening is about to fall when Chloe's searching is rewarded with video footage showing an unknown man entering Reed's apartment at around the time the hack into the systems of the UN took place. Using CTU's advanced recognition technologies, the man's face is matched to that of a police officer named Mike Farmer. Hastings, more than a little bit irritated by her refusal to focus on what's important, is unwilling to act on the input provided by Chloe.

"You're chasing ghosts, Miss O'Brian. We have the mole arrested and she's right here at CTU, being questioned as we speak. If you really want to follow up on that supposed "lead" of yours, then fine. But you're going to have to rely on your own devices. We all have a lot on our minds already to ensure the safety of the political figures attending the upcoming conference at the United Nations and I don't want to have you wasting our resources on the side. Are we clear?"

"Yes sir," replied Chloe. Of course, her subservient attitude and lack of confidence in herself when dealing with her boss rarely went hand in hand with complacent obedience. But Brian Hastings was too green in this office to realise that yet. And thus, after tracking this Mike Farmer to his current whereabouts, she sent Jack to handle the fieldwork.

When Jack Bauer arrived at the address he was given, it was already too late. The door was open. And inside, he found the dead bodies of Jim Koernig - a cop - and his wife. The residents, killed in their own home. There were no signs of resistance. Clean shots in the head from up close. That simple trust in the people around you could lead to such betrayal was cruel. It reminded Bauer of his own experiences with colleagues in the past, and of his desire to distance himself from this line of work.

Back at CTU, Dana Walsh had performed more research into files on Meredith Reed's computer about the impending attack on the UN. A bomb had been planted somewhere within the UN building, but where exactly is as of yet unknown. President Taylor and Hassan and his family (his wife Dalia, his daughter Kayla and his brother Fahrad Hassan) were shocked by the news, but CTU and local security officers instructed them to remain calm and quickly made arrangements for the politicians to be evacuated to a nearby air force base.

Pretending to be Koernig himself, Jack made a call to the NYPD to ask if Farmer was on duty. He was told that Mike had taken over "his" shift. Jack immediately informed CTU and explained that the information found on Reed's computer must have been planted to cause this evacuation to happen, to lure President Hassan into a trap.

CTU is able to cut Hassan's convoy off just in time. The bomb goes off in a fiery explosion right in front of them. Fortunately, the blast was not powerful enough for anyone to get hurt. In the chaos that ensued, several gunshots were fired and a cop was killed in action.

All who were present were in agreement that those responsible couldn't be far away...

Roles List:
Terrorist Leader
Hidden Terrorist PR *
Hidden Terrorist PR *
The President
Bodyguard
Vigilante (Jack Bauer)
Hidden Civilian PR **
Hidden Civilian PR **
Hidden Civilian PR **
Hidden CTU Agent ***
Hidden CTU Agent ***
Hidden CTU Mole ***
Arsonist

* Hidden Terrorist PR: Blackmailer, Consort, Framer, Janitor, Mafioso
** Hidden Civilian PR: Bus Driver, Coroner, Doctor, Escort, Sheriff
*** Hidden CTU Agent: Detective, Investigator, Lookout
*** Hidden CTU Mole: Detective, Investigator, Lookout

Graveyard:
( Victor Aruz ) - Shot by a sniper
( Nameless Cop ) - Killed in the chaos that ensued after a failed bombing

Player List:
1. Goremancer
2. McPwnage
3. Escaho
4. Kromos
5. CmG
6. Deathfire123
7. nanosystem
8. TheWaaagh
9. GameFreak
10. Rocshi
11. Ubernox
12. Mopin
13. jaczac

Notes:
BBMolla has been replaced by Kromos
MrSmarter has been replaced by Rocshi

Both replacements were given a chance to take their night actions if they had any.

7 votes are required to lynch.

This "day" will end at http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=january+20+11%3A59PM+gmt

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:04 PM

Another day full of fail! Go on!

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:06 PM

Doctor, Escort, Bus driver did something right or those replacements were parts of the Terrorist derping around. I was blocked Tonight.

Escaho

January 19th, 2012, 05:11 PM

So...all night actions were taken and no one died? Someone was either healed or the Escort role-blocked the attacker. If the bus driver re-directed the attack onto the mafia, that would be an epic bussing on Night 1.

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:13 PM

After rereading Day 1 i assume it was the Consort. There were more scummy people around then me. like ^ ....

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:14 PM

I like trains!

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 05:22 PM

Me... too? OH NO IT'S A TRAP!

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:22 PM

-vote TheWaaagh

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 05:23 PM

Did the replacements get a chance to take night actions? Or are they replacements starting "today"?

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:24 PM

alread answered in the rp post from borkbot. You don't pay enough attention.

BorkBot

January 19th, 2012, 05:24 PM

Did the replacements get a chance to take night actions? Or are they replacements starting "today"?

Allow me to shamelessly quote myself:

Both replacements were given a chance to take their night actions if they had any.

:)

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:25 PM

Since i started the train i will name the Tally as i please.

Herr Tally

TheWaaagh(1): CmG

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 05:26 PM

My bad, I misread it. I thought it said "They were replaced because they missed their chance to take any night actions if they had any." That's not even a couple words misread, I kind of went nuts on that I guess.

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 05:28 PM

I don't want to be the only head on the chopping block, so here we go:

Vote Escaho

Vote Tally

TheWaaagh (1) - CmG
Escaho (1) - TheWaaagh

McJesus

January 19th, 2012, 05:29 PM

Yay no deaths, sup terrorist headhunters!

McJesus

January 19th, 2012, 05:29 PM

why are we random lynching now? I was unaware I was playing with pubs.

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 05:31 PM

why are we random lynching now? I was unaware I was playing with pubs.

Escaho be scum, yo.

Escaho

January 19th, 2012, 05:41 PM

Escaho be scum, yo.

This is lies with no basis! You just don't want to be alone!

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:43 PM

Everyone who tries to troll himself through this day will have a bullet in his head tonight.

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 05:45 PM

This is lies with no basis! You just don't want to be alone!

Well I realized since we have either a confirmed doctor or a boss bus driver/escort, there's no point in hiding it:

Escaho please declare your role for everyone to hear. I am a member of the CTU. The investigator, in fact.

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:51 PM

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 05:53 PM

33% Chance to be the Mole. The Mole wants to survive until he joins his Terrorist friends. Glad my vote is there where it is!

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 05:56 PM

Escaho

January 19th, 2012, 06:07 PM

Escaho is taking an awfully long time with that role-claim. Nervous about your possibilities?

Not at all. Got a phone call, wasn't even here. Back now for a bit (company coming over for a few hours).

@CmG: Not the mole bud. But it's precisely because of the mole that I decided it was worth coming out today since I re-read the rules thread and discovered the mole finds out all of my investigation results anyway. I tried not to reveal anything in the night chat to avoid that possibility.

If you are the Investigator and know who I am, why should I role claim? And if you don't know who I am, why should I role claim?

Escaho

January 19th, 2012, 06:09 PM

Well I realized since we have either a confirmed doctor or a boss bus driver/escort, there's no point in hiding it:

Escaho please declare your role for everyone to hear. I am a member of the CTU. The investigator, in fact.

Unless you have evidence to back up this claim, I'm afraid I must ignore it. You want me to declare my role and will likely try and point a finger at me for not role-claiming. The only reason you would do this is if you are afraid that CmG's random first vote on you will somehow start a random lynch train against you. Terrorist scum, perhaps?

No investigator would force someone to role claim without evidence or unless the situation is dire.

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 06:10 PM

Escaho is taking an awfully long time with that role-claim. Nervous about your possibilities?

@CmG: Not the mole bud. But it's precisely because of the mole that I decided it was worth coming out today since I re-read the rules thread and discovered the mole finds out all of my investigation results anyway. I tried not to reveal anything in the night chat to avoid that possibility.

Another Mole behaviouir. Neglecting the rules because you don't care much because you ll join the Terrorists anyway. Sorry bud you wont come off that hook that easily. If you are a wifoming citizen you fail hard!

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 06:11 PM

If you are the Investigator and know who I am, why should I role claim? And if you don't know who I am, why should I role claim?

*shrug* I wanted to see what you'd say given the two options you could be. So if you don't want to do it I guess I will. He's either the mafioso or the vigilante. It's a shame the vigilante can't day shoot in this setup. Personally, I don't believe you're the vigilante given the amount you talked yesterday, so I'm fine with your lynching your ass. Or we could wait until tonight to see what happens.

Rocshi

January 19th, 2012, 06:20 PM

Ohai I'm here.

-vote TheWaaagh

You...are not...the investigator.
That's like my ridiculous doctor claim in M-FMIII.

BorkBot

January 19th, 2012, 06:22 PM

DO NOT EDIT POSTS. TYVM.

Escaho

January 19th, 2012, 06:27 PM

*shrug* I wanted to see what you'd say given the two options you could be. So if you don't want to do it I guess I will. He's either the mafioso or the vigilante. It's a shame the vigilante can't day shoot in this setup. Personally, I don't believe you're the vigilante given the amount you talked yesterday, so I'm fine with your lynching your ass. Or we could wait until tonight to see what happens.

Very well, I shall play this Kiefer Sutherland-style.

You were unwise to reveal this information, though I guess the Mole knows the results as well, so the Mafia know who I am.

However, since the mafia has no Consigliere, I must admit to believing your role claim, unless someone else disputes it. (If the mole gets the investigation results, could he not also claim Investigator? Though why he would reveal my role, I am uncertain. Therefore, I must assume you are who you say you are.)

Very well, I claim Vigilante. You may not believe me, but you will find no other Vigilante shooting me tonight because there is only one, and I am it. If someone else dares to oppose this claim, they shall be shot tonight. The reason I spoke a lot yesterday was because I can afford to take a bullet (if you'll notice in the FAQ, the Vigilante, Godfather, and Arsonist all have a one time auto-defense vest) in order to keep the town alive longer. Had I been shot, I would have role claimed immediately.

Now you had better hope there is a Doctor in our midst. At least we have the Bodyguard to defend us. The mafia knows I am not with them and can narrow the field of suspects.

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 06:32 PM

Very well, I shall play this Kiefer Sutherland-style.

You were unwise to reveal this information, though I guess the Mole knows the results as well, so the Mafia know who I am.

However, since the mafia has no Consigliere, I must admit to believing your role claim, unless someone else disputes it. (If the mole gets the investigation results, could he not also claim Investigator? Though why he would reveal my role, I am uncertain. Therefore, I must assume you are who you say you are.)

Very well, I claim Vigilante. You may not believe me, but you will find no other Vigilante shooting me tonight because there is only one, and I am it. If someone else dares to oppose this claim, they shall be shot tonight. The reason I spoke a lot yesterday was because I can afford to take a bullet (if you'll notice in the FAQ, the Vigilante, Godfather, and Arsonist all have a one time auto-defense vest) in order to keep the town alive longer. Had I been shot, I would have role claimed immediately.

Now you had better hope there is a Doctor in our midst. At least we have the Bodyguard to defend us. The mafia knows I am not with them and can narrow the field of suspects.

It's because of the mole I decided it was best to reveal you. Sorry Kiefer, but since the mole leaves us in two nights I essentially revealed you one day early. It was either that or we lynched a terrorist on day two. The risk/reward seemed like a good move in my book.

Well, that's all I've got.

Unvote Escaho

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 06:41 PM

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 06:46 PM

Only the Mole would out Jack Bauer now. Especially with no dead Town. You sir are guilty as fuck and has to be hung today b4 you can leak more info to the Terrorists. A normal Town investigator wouldn't out his role on Day 2 for a Mafioso.

So you are indeed the Investigator(Mole)

CmG, I want you to think carefully for a second here. I'm the mole, okay? I find out someone is either a mafioso or a vigilante. Why the fuck would I say anything in the day chat? I would wait two more nights and then tell the mafia "Yo Escaho's not a mafia? Alright he's the vigilante then. You're welcome" or "Oh Escaho is the mafioso? Alright, that's chill, town has no idea".

I would not go into the day chat and make a play to get the vigilante hung. A) The town would never follow me blindly like that and B) I'd get my ass shot in the face that night by Escaho.

If I'm guilty of anything, it's of being retarded, but I still think it was a good move given the events of last night. Which reminds me, mister wants-to-lynch-me-asap, the escort blocks you and no one dies last night. Interesting, no?

BorkBot

January 19th, 2012, 06:48 PM

Go ahead and say Jack Bauer if it pleases you. The name is plainly visible on the roles list, so any meta knowledge won't affect the game.

From the FAQ:

RP names may be assigned to some players, but these are not to be discussed or even mentioned in day chat nor in CTU chat. If this rule is broken there will be a mod sanction. Jack Bauer is the only exception to this rule.

Rocshi

January 19th, 2012, 06:57 PM

CmG, I want you to think carefully for a second here. I'm the mole, okay? I find out someone is either a mafioso or a vigilante. Why the fuck would I say anything in the day chat? I would wait two more nights and then tell the mafia "Yo Escaho's not a mafia? Alright he's the vigilante then. You're welcome" or "Oh Escaho is the mafioso? Alright, that's chill, town has no idea".

I would not go into the day chat and make a play to get the vigilante hung. A) The town would never follow me blindly like that and B) I'd get my ass shot in the face that night by Escaho.

If I'm guilty of anything, it's of being retarded, but I still think it was a good move given the events of last night. Which reminds me, mister wants-to-lynch-me-asap, the escort blocks you and no one dies last night. Interesting, no?

So you could make that excuse.

THE TLOT PHICKENS

Rocshi

January 19th, 2012, 07:05 PM

But then again, why would the Mole make himself so obvious?

MAYBE HES MAKING US THINK THAT SO WE THINK THAT

*drinks poisoned wine*

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 07:18 PM

If i would be a Terrorist i wouldn't state that i was blocked. You sir a indeed a moron if you are town.

The CTU Mole wins if the Terrorists win and does not have to survive. On night 3, he becomes a Terrorist and is removed from CTU night chat. As long as the CTU mole is in CTU night chat, he will get to see all CTU actions and investigation results at the start of each day.

You don't have to live to win with the terrorists. Giving the Vigi out today is a good move for the mole if he knows the other 2 members of his night chat.

Maybe you thought you win with town if you die early? Interesting how you know in the other game how to break the game and here you do 1 error after the next.

Did they found out already that you are the mole?

Tbh i expected that kind of behaviour from the Mole when he finds a good target on Day2. Because i thought the same that the Mole wins with town if he dies early.

Decide yourself.

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 07:55 PM

I would not just get my investigation report if I was the mole, I'd also be getting the reports from my two other CTU members. That's an advantage I would not waste on a day 2 vigilante reveal if I could just survive two days to nut in the terrorist chat. You're right, if I was the mole I would not have to survive to win, but that does not mean I'd be so careless with my life as to throw away a huge information advantage on day two. Especially when the only reason you voted to lynch me is because I jokingly responded to the "I like trains" strategy. It's almost as if I knew I wouldn't get lynched because I had information.

It turns out that my 50/50 on finding the only vigilante in the game went the wrong way, but I still don't see it as an "error" as you referred to it.

So far only like half of the people in the game have spoken, so I will wait to see what other information town has found, but in the meantime the vigilante believes my claim so I'm cool right now.

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 07:58 PM

And if you're still convinced I'm the mole, how about this: Wait two days until I'd "vanish" from the CTU chat. Escaho will join that chat, and I can claim my name there. No need to lynch a possible mole when there's 3 mafia up in here.

Goremancer

January 19th, 2012, 08:00 PM

Rocshi is being scummy. First thing he does, he votes TheWaaagh. So eager to jump on the train isn't he?

Goremancer

January 19th, 2012, 08:02 PM

All of a sudden TheWaaagh is quiet. Guess you don't like to talk when there isn't attention on you anymore.

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 08:03 PM

All of a sudden TheWaaagh is quiet. Guess you don't like to talk when there isn't attention on you anymore.

? Do you want me to keep spamming the thread?

Goremancer

January 19th, 2012, 08:04 PM

? Do you want me to keep spamming the thread?
Yes in fact I do like it when people spam.

Rocshi

January 19th, 2012, 08:05 PM

Rocshi is being scummy. First thing he does, he votes TheWaaagh. So eager to jump on the train isn't he?

1. Why would I kill my own mole?
2. What else is there to discuss right now other than Waaagh's stupidity/scumminess?

Goremancer

January 19th, 2012, 08:08 PM

Doesn't matter. You can just be a mafia member trying to follow the train. CmG is always scummy so I'm just ignoring him for now. But right now you seem very suspicious. I'm not saying TheWaaagh isn't. I'm saying you both are. The rest are just having fun lurking =.=

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 08:09 PM

1. Why would I kill my own mole?
2. What else is there to discuss right now other than Waaagh's stupidity/scumminess?

If you're the mole, your actions would make sense. But like I said, I'd prefer to wait for mafia information today before acting on a mole that will be confirmed in two days.

Goremancer

January 19th, 2012, 08:12 PM

TOO MANY FUCKING LURKERS!!!

Goremancer

January 19th, 2012, 08:13 PM

IMA LYNCHING ALL OF THE LURKERS. THEY'RE ALL SCUM. SCUM I SAY. LYNCH LYNCH. LET'S SEE SOME HEADS ROLLING. THEY'RE ALL SCUM!!!11111!!!!11ONEONEONE

McJesus

January 19th, 2012, 08:21 PM

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 08:26 PM

It is possible that TheWaaagh is the mole, given Mafioso is one of the hidden results and vigilante is a gaurenteed result it is more than likely Escaho is a vigilante rather than a power role. Everyone knowing who the vigilante is helps only the mafia and it is a good way of relaying information to them before day 3 in case TheWaaagh doesn't survive that long. It is also a good way of making him look clean while actually being the mole.

The argument against Waaagh being the mole is that it is a dangerous gambit to expose one of your terrorist allies. If Escaho is a mafioso he is forced to claim vigilante. Note how he hesitated until Waaagh gave him the vigilante/mafioso investigation at which point he is forced into a vigi claim. This is dangerous because if he is a mafioso the vigilante knows who to shoot night 2. Of course if the townies believe he is the vigilante he could be bodyguarded/healed so if he is a mafioso the vigilante might be inclined to counter claim instead.

One of the things I feel like people don't get is that if I was the mole, and worried about surviving long enough to talk to my mafia buddies, I could've just PUT THIS IN MY LAST WILL. And I'd still come up as a CTU Agent in the graveyard, meaning that my investigation result that Escaho was either the mafioso or vigilante would've been less likely to be disputed.

Revealing the vigilante to town only one day early (since it's tomorrow night that mole tells the mafia who he is) does not hurt us as much as everyone is making it out to be. He still has his vest, and now the bodyguard/doctor know who to protect. Nobody died last night, so it's not like we're dropping like flies right now.

At least McPwnage gets my point of view somewhat.

Goremancer

January 19th, 2012, 08:34 PM

I agree that having such an early vig claim is pretty damn scummy. He may just be a vig, or he maybe maf. Or maybe he's just a wifoming cit or PR. As of right now, I have no idea about Waaagh. He could be a mole, or he could be invest. Rocshi seems to be scummy. He always seems scummy to me for some reason. Anyone else feel that way？

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 08:51 PM

Does the Mole share the Night chat with the Terrorists?

Can't find anywhere this is stated.

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 09:11 PM

One of the things I feel like people don't get is that if I was the mole, and worried about surviving long enough to talk to my mafia buddies, I could've just PUT THIS IN MY LAST WILL. And I'd still come up as a CTU Agent in the graveyard, meaning that my investigation result that Escaho was either the mafioso or vigilante would've been less likely to be disputed.

Revealing the vigilante to town only one day early (since it's tomorrow night that mole tells the mafia who he is) does not hurt us as much as everyone is making it out to be. He still has his vest, and now the bodyguard/doctor know who to protect. Nobody died last night, so it's not like we're dropping like flies right now.

At least McPwnage gets my point of view somewhat.

Why would you reveal all the info out of the chat in your LW? If you are not the Mole then there is another Town aligned PR there. The Last Town PR should do that not the first. We are at 1. KPN at Night.

Not really you told the Mafia the Vigi if he is not the Mafioso. An Investigator working for the Terrorists who gained trust from Town is 10 times more worth then a Mafioso.
They know now not to night attack you and you waste useful Town resources now at night on you.

You are so guilty my son!

Escaho

January 19th, 2012, 09:48 PM

Mafia, you had better watch out.

I have two shots at my disposal and I've picked up a scum tell already. If I shoot someone and they do not claim healed, they will be outed as the Godfather/Arsonist (as they also have a vest). Otherwise, said mafia will perish. I also have the bodyguard on my side and I'm sure there's a doctor lurking. I do have a safety net in the vest, but, Bodyguard, do not let that prevent you from protecting me. Two vigi shots from me and an insta-kill from you make us a very potent combination.

TheWaaagh, if I am to trust you, you must be vigilant in your efforts to find the mafia. You share a chat with the mole at night, do you not? Do you know each other's identities or is it anonymous? If there is another Investigator here, please counter-claim him today so we can sort ths out now. Otherwise, I can't see TheWaaagh being this adamant about his role and lying.

While this narrows down the role list for the mafia concerning the town, it also helps the town out by eliminating possible threats. We know several town now. The mafia/arsonist can only hide in so many places. And we're coming for them.

Escaho

January 19th, 2012, 09:52 PM

Well, crap. TheWaaagh, your investigation results have made me rethink your allegiance.

Outing Jack Bauer right now is crucial because I cannot prevent the Arsonist from dousing/incerating me. To any lookouts: be on the lookout for the Arsonist. He is likely to douse me this coming night.

Of course, the Mole would want that to happen...

Escaho

January 19th, 2012, 09:53 PM

@BorkBot, can we get a player list up in hurr? Is that possible?

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 10:15 PM

Why would you reveal all the info out of the chat in your LW? If you are not the Mole then there is another Town aligned PR there. The Last Town PR should do that not the first. We are at 1. KPN at Night.

That's what I'm saying, if I was the mole I would put all this info in my last will instead of talking about it in the day chat. There'd be no point in me giving you guys a confirmed townie if I was working with the mafia. If it was just me with this knowledge, it would be one thing. But there's a mole that also has this knowledge and in two days he is going to give it to the mafia. As I've said, if I was right, and Escaho was the mafioso, this conversation would be going a lot differently about how early I tipped my hand.

They know now not to night attack you and you waste useful Town resources now at night on you.

So wait, the mafia know not to attack me, and I'm wasting town resources to keep me alive? That's a bit of a contradiction, so you might want to rethink it.

To answer you Escaho, one person "revealed" their identity in the night chat but I have no way of knowing if they were telling the truth or not. It could be very easy for the mole to claim one identity, disappear, and then let that person take the fall the next day. That's why I'm saying at the very least I can clear myself after you join the CTU because no one would have any reason to claim my identity after the mole has left.

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 10:21 PM

So wait, the mafia know not to attack me, and I'm wasting town resources to keep me alive? That's a bit of a contradiction, so you might want to rethink it.

Are u serious? If you are town you just failed horribly, If you are the Mole some sheep Tpr will heal u instead of somebody else. The mole is destined to be known on Day 3 and getting lynched so he does as much dmg as he possibly can do.

Thats what you do.

TheWaaagh

January 19th, 2012, 10:31 PM

Are u serious? If you are town you just failed horribly, If you are the Mole some sheep Tpr will heal u instead of somebody else. The mole is destined to be known on Day 3 and getting lynched so he does as much dmg as he possibly can do.

Thats what you do.

Actually he's not. The CTU chat is anonymous. Sooooo I don't know how you think he's destined to be known. If I was playing as a mole I would not be suicide bombing right now when I could just as easily spread this information (that Escaho is the vigilante) in two days time or through a last will after I died. The only way my actions make sense, if you really take the time to think about it, is if I thought I had found a terrorist.

I'm done defending myself, because at this point I'm going to just keep repeating the same arguments. So if you guys are going to lynch me over a 50/50 going the wrong way, it's retarded but go ahead. I'm borderline useless for now as is since the mole sees everything I see with the bonus of knowing in two days what their exact role is (since it won't be the mafia one).

Kromos

January 19th, 2012, 10:49 PM

TheWaaagh's actions make no sense as a mole. He had no reason to come out and say Escaho was the vigi / mafioso today if he were one.

CmG

January 19th, 2012, 11:09 PM

TheWaaagh's actions make no sense as a mole. He had no reason to come out and say Escaho was the vigi / mafioso today if he were one.

How do you know? Are you with him in the Night chat?

Kromos

January 19th, 2012, 11:25 PM

How do you know? Are you with him in the Night chat?

I don't know whether he is a mole or not but I would say there is a 70% chance that he's not. TheWaaagh has already explained why the real mole wouldn't do this, however this could be wifom to get him to survive until night 3. I don't think TheWaaagh is as confirmed as I thought he was before. It would be a reasonable tactic for a mole but I don't think there is enough evidence to go on for a lynch, at least not this early in the day. A lot of people haven't come on and we could still hear some investigation results.

PS. Good job with day 1, it was very informative :|

Kromos

January 20th, 2012, 12:22 AM

I can tell this game is going to be a lurkfest. 3 FMs at once maybe wasn't the best idea.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 12:26 AM

1. Goremancer
2. McPwnage
3. Escaho
4. Kromos
5. CmG
6. Deathfire123
7. nanosystem
8. TheWaaagh
9. GameFreak
10. Rocshi
11. Ubernox
12. Mopin
13. jaczac

Seriously? Half the people haven't even posted today...

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:48 AM

-vote Waaagh

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 07:29 AM

-vote Waaagh

Really? Not even an explanation?

Goremancer

January 20th, 2012, 07:37 AM

I doubt TheWaaagh is mole at this point. He seems to be invest alright. Uber has been rather scummy hasn't he?

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 08:19 AM

Does the Mole share the Night chat with the Terrorists?
No. The Mole only enters Terrorists night chat when he joins them.

@BorkBot, can we get a player list up in hurr? Is that possible?
I was thinking of doing this on the next night start because everyone is still alive now, but alright.

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 08:32 AM

I can tell this game is going to be a lurkfest. 3 FMs at once maybe wasn't the best idea.
That's why I was a little bit frustrated when McPwnage started his MFM almost instantly after I started this SFM. His night corresponds with my day, though. So unless you are busy in night chat in MFM5, you don't have much of a reason to lurk here.

Hint: that was a warning about Mengsk's policies ^.^

McJesus

January 20th, 2012, 08:50 AM

That's why I was a little bit frustrated when McPwnage started his MFM almost instantly after I started this SFM. His night corresponds with my day, though. So unless you are busy in night chat in MFM5, you don't have much of a reason to lurk here.

Hint: that was a warning about Mengsk's policies ^.^

Sorry I've only wanted to host an MFM for months and jumped the gun a little bit. I only wanted to host a forum mafia game since like november but I don't think this whole "you have to host an sfm thing" was very well thought out because fragos is going to want to start his soon as well. There are too many games and they go in order of priority: forum mafia, mini forum mafia, small forum mafia (the s stands for small right?). Honestly given I really only use the site to play forum mafia right now I barely ever logged out of my anon account for forum mafia V, VII, and VIII.

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 08:54 AM

I'm logged on both at the same time. 2 browsers ftw :p

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 09:41 AM

I have a reason to lurk, namely, FMIX and midterms.
I will not retract my claim on TheWaaagh.

Good day.

GameFreak

January 20th, 2012, 09:43 AM

sorry about not posting for days now , just was busy lately , had a pretty big test , let me read up , and then have a nice talk with gore

GameFreak

January 20th, 2012, 09:51 AM

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 10:30 AM

I have a reason to lurk, namely, FMIX and midterms.
I will not retract my claim on TheWaaagh.

Good day.

Your only claim so far is that I am not the investigator, but I've already proven that with Escaho. The question isn't whether or not I'm an investigator, it's whether or not I'm the mole. And it's stupid to vote me because, as I've already said, in two days I will be able to very easily clear myself to Escaho with a claim in the CTU night chat. This would be one of the stupidest mislynches ever when I am a role that can confirm itself.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 11:04 AM

I don't know whether he is a mole or not but I would say there is a 70% chance that he's not. TheWaaagh has already explained why the real mole wouldn't do this, however this could be wifom to get him to survive until night 3. I don't think TheWaaagh is as confirmed as I thought he was before. It would be a reasonable tactic for a mole but I don't think there is enough evidence to go on for a lynch, at least not this early in the day. A lot of people haven't come on and we could still hear some investigation results.

PS. Good job with day 1, it was very informative :|

If he really is the Mole then the real Investigator is doing a terrible, terrible job. A counter-claim right now against the Mole would snuff him out either today (lynch) or tonight (vigi-shot). Since no one has done this, one almost has to assume that TheWaaagh is telling the truth.

At the moment, Rocshi is number one on my "shoot tonight" list. He is really attempting to drive this lynch against TheWaaagh when, truth be told, I think Waaagh is the Investigator...for now. CmG has been acting up too and I'm almost tempted to call both of them scum that are working together (attempting to take over day chat? TheWaaagh has limited that, however). Rocshi, just be aware that, unless you give us something you are now Target #1.

Lookout, BG, if you cover me tonight I can survive until Night 4 to join CTU chat to coordinate with the Investigator. (The Lookout will spot the arsonist, who we can lynch, and the BG will spare me an attack at night so I can use my vest on Night 3). OR, BG, come night 3 if you wish. It may be better to protect TheWaaagh tonight. Then again, WIFOM'ing all over the place may redirect the mafia's kill. Regardless, at the very least, it would be in the Arsonist's best interest to visit me tonight, so the Lookout should easily be able to identify him. Unless he doused me last night, which would be damn lucky...

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 11:29 AM

Is +rep messaging allowed or will Luna eat my soul?

Escaho, you are making a very big mistake.

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 11:29 AM

Scratch that.

I know.

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 11:31 AM

Is +rep messaging allowed or will Luna eat my soul?
This question was already asked on day 1. I will redirect you to the FAQ:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/4227-24-SFM-Rules-and-FAQ-thread

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 11:35 AM

That's why I said scratch that.

Now if ONE PERSON would stop fucking lurking, he could confirm me as town.

I will not reveal until he is here.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 11:40 AM

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg823/scaled.php?server=823&filename=tracerbullet2.jpg&res=medium
And while I'm on the topic of snooping, I've got some information about TheWaaagh. I had no leads yesterday, and he was being awfully quiet for a man who could spot a goon a mile away with his eyes closed. Someone must've paid him good to shut him up.... or so I thought. Turns out our ol' green friend here has got about enough dirt on him to make the Saharan desert look like a smidgin of dust on back of my boot.

TheWaaagh is a Terrorist.

I was hoping that I wouldn't have to blow my cover to get a lynch on Waaagh, but when Jack Bauer himself starts to trust him, you know you have to speak up a little to out the goon.

Only a few hours left. You'd better start voting if we are going to get seven votes

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 11:42 AM

Mole gets terrorist report, I'm guessing.

-vote TheWaagh (if i unvoted dont remember)

WAIT UBERNOX WAI YOU NO SAY THIS WHEN WE HAVE TIME TO LYNCH

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 11:45 AM

I was hoping the crowds would have a lil' know how and lynch him for me.... apparently I was wrong, like I was about my ex-wife.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 11:45 AM

If I recall correctly, we now have four votes of the goon. We just need three more to out him and his America hating ways.

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 11:47 AM

Yeah, everyone is lurking.

Problem.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 11:53 AM

I saw you watching this thread, McPwnage. Snooping around, I see? Why not cast your vote and help seal the deal.

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 12:02 PM

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/4227-24-SFM-Rules-and-FAQ-thread

Updated with a question that was asked last night and the answer that was given. If you're a little hazy on the rules (the forums were down for almost 2 days right after the game started, so it would be understandable), I recommend you give the first post another read.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 12:10 PM

Herr Tally

TheWaaagh(1): CmG, Ubernox, Rocshi

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 12:19 PM

So this is going to be fun. Ubernox claims sheriff, and that I came up as a terrorist. Check this out:

The Mole appears as a Terrorist to a Sheriff once he has joined the Terrorists. Before then he appears as not suspicious. If the Mole dies before joining the Terrorists, he will appear as a CTU agent in the graveyard.

Now get your votes off me bitches.

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 12:21 PM

What if you're not a mole and actually just a regular terrorist that had a lucky guess on Escaho's role?

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 12:22 PM

What if you're not a mole and actually just a regular terrorist that had a lucky guess on Escaho's role?

I really can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 12:23 PM

It's a possibility.

Of course, Ubernox could be Mole as well.

Escaho will shoot me tonight anyway.

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 12:25 PM

I'd also like to manage that it's odd no one has claimed to be attacked yet. Either the person that was attacked hasn't gotten around to this thread yet, or the mafia found the arsonist night one, which intrigues me to read through the day one thread again. I'm a go do that now.

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 12:28 PM

Any CTU can confirm Waaagh right now...

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 12:31 PM

Deathfire123 has yet to speak in this thread, yet was quite talkative day one. If any one was going to be attacked, I suppose it would be him. So until someone steps forward about receiving an attack + heal, I can only assume he was shot last night and his vest was used up.

-vote Deathfire123

CTU should NOT confirm me. There is no reason to because they can not confirm that I am not the mole. Wait until Escaho joins the night chat, then we'll finally get some information that the terrorists won't have. For now, just keep quiet. It's an anonymous chat so there's no reason to give up your names while you can still preserve your anonimity.

Vote Tally
TheWaaagh(3): CmG, Ubernox, Rocshi
Deathfire123 (1): TheWaaagh

McJesus

January 20th, 2012, 12:40 PM

I've been waiting to see if anyone healed too but I have reason to suspect there was a roleblock at this point. There aren't enough people around for a lynching so more speculation is pointless.

also thanks for reminding me to turn invisible mode back on after the crash ubernox.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 12:55 PM

No problem bro. Now could you help us out here?

TheWaagh is trying to both shift attention away from himself and trying to invalidate my claim by not paying much attention to it. I'm kinda glad to hear that Waaagh isn't the mole.

Also @Rosci there are no sheriffs in ctu so I'm not the mole.

Goremancer

January 20th, 2012, 01:05 PM

Also i'm actually amused with how much stuff you guys are overlooking haha , i'll inform later , first time for a nice long bath. Question Escaho some more gore , where is your sense for justice , your neverending wrath , that i felt last Mfm ? needs more questions Gore , needs more questions , and Rocshi , we should Hon later.

Also i always chuckle when rereading my posts , notice how many ',' i use , Damn Latin , just teaches you wrong things.
I'm back from taking a Latin test today =.= It blew. Hard. Anyway a nice talk with me involves me pinning you down as scum no matter what you say/do/prove even if a confirmed sheriff says you are inno.

Goremancer

January 20th, 2012, 01:06 PM

Goremancer

January 20th, 2012, 01:06 PM

I'M GIVING YOU SOME TIME TO RETRACT YOUR CLAIM. A FAKE CLAIM SPELLS CERTAIN DEATH IN MY EYES.

Goremancer

January 20th, 2012, 01:11 PM

ROCSHI YOU ARE JUST JUMPING ON TRAINS LEFT AND RIGHT. GOD THAT IS SCUMMY. YOU SAY YOU WON'T CLAIM UNTIL A CERTAIN SOMEONE GOES ON AND CONFIRMS YOU ARE TOWN. WHICH IS HONESTLY JUST A WAY TO BUY TIME IN MY EYES. NO ROCSHI IS SCUM. NOTICE HOW HE RETRACTS HIS VOTE ON WAAAGH WHEN HE REALIZES A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK THEWAAAGH IS SCUM. BUT HE QUICKLY PUTS HIS VOTE BACK ON WHEN UBERNOX CALLED THEWAAAGH TERRORIST. THE UBERNOX DIDN'T EVEN GIVE EVIDENCE TO HIS VOTE. BUT ROCSHI DIDN'T JUST JUMP BACK ON THE TRAIN. HE PRACTICALLY RAN INSIDE AND STARTED FEEDING THE TRAIN COAL.

Kromos

January 20th, 2012, 01:19 PM

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 01:33 PM

ESCAHO I WANT YOU TO SAY ONCE AGAIN THAT YOU ARE VIG. IF SO WILL YOU TELL ME WHO YOU WILL SHOOT TONIGHT. BECAUSE HAVING A VIG REVEALING SO EARLY ON IS PRETTY UNBELIEVABLE. I HIGHLY DOUBT HE'S ACTUALLY VIG. IT'S A FAKE CLAIM. I KNOW IT.

I am Jack Bauer, the Vigilante.

Having a Vig reveal early on isn't all that bad, especially in this setup when he can easily take a bullet and survive. I can coordinate my shots with anyone who appears to be pro-town.

Also, the Mafia and Arsonist will have a difficult time when visiting me now. If the mafia visits me, a Bodyguard can easily kill them in return, allowing me to keep my auto-defense vest. If an Arsonist visits me, the Lookout can easily follow his movements and force a lynch on him (which will also allow me to keep the vest). And there is also the possibility of a bus driver who neglected to bus on Night 1 who may swap my position with someone else. The Escort may also role-block the Arsonist/Mafia as well.

I'd also like to manage that it's odd no one has claimed to be attacked yet. Either the person that was attacked hasn't gotten around to this thread yet, or the mafia found the arsonist night one, which intrigues me to read through the day one thread again. I'm a go do that now.

I was waiting for this. No one has claimed being healed. This means one of these things happened last night:

1) The Mafia did not kill. Highly unlikely.
2) The Mafia attacked the Arsonist. A great scenario for town. The Arsonist is now vulnerable to my night shot.
3) The attacking Mafia was role-blocked. A definite possibility.
4) The Mafia's target was bussed. Unlikely, due to no one else claiming bussed. However, some bus drivers do not bus on Night 1.
5) The Mafia's target was healed. No heal claim yet. And if the Arsonist was healed, we likely aren't going to hear babout it either.

I believe #2 occurred last night, though #3 may have happened as well.

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 01:40 PM

McJesus

January 20th, 2012, 01:42 PM

Ubernox I don't believe your sheriff claim because the mole doesn't show up as a terrorist until he joins them and thewaaagh has pretty much proven he is an investigator.

I promise I will have some juicy info for everyone tomorrow

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 01:44 PM

Now, I have some questions.

@Ubernox: You have not role-claimed, yet you decided to vote TheWaaagh. You also said you have no leads. Therefore, why are you attempting to lynch him?

TheWaaagh correctly identified my role from one of the results. Admittedly, he said he "just wanted to see what I'd say," but he easily could have gotten that result and waited to see how I would defend myself. He is likely an Investigator.

If he was the Mole he would not appear to be a Terrorist in the first place. A Mole would also not ask me for my role because I could have been Mafia, in which case outing me would be an absolutely terrible mistake.

@Rocshi: You seem mildly disappointed about me shooting you. You have not role-claimed and wish to remain anonymous. You have attempted to force a lynch on TheWaaagh and have pushed hard for it. Ubernox claimed he was a Terrorist, but that lucky guess must have been really lucky for a Mafioso (especially as there is no Consigliere).

@CmG: You seem to have become suddenly quiet after Ubernox and Rocshi jumped on the lynch TheWaaagh bandwagon. Trying to avoid accusations?

@Mopin, jaczac, GameFreak, nanosystem, and Deathfire: Perhaps I should random shoot one of you? Little to no posts in a day full of information? I'm almost tempted to shoot lurkers more than the scum because it's getting out of hand. You people need to post more or die.

As for this:

I was hoping that I wouldn't have to blow my cover to get a lynch on Waaagh, but when Jack Bauer himself starts to trust him, you know you have to speak up a little to out the goon.

Jack Bauer trusts no one but himself. I will threaten to shoot anyone who seems to be withholding information or appears scummy (Rocshi) and that provocation seems to have provoked you into stepping forward and revealing what you know. Why did you not reveal this information about TheWaaagh earlier? If you were really a Sheriff who found scum you would have reported it immediately. We could have easily lynched him then and moved on to the next day, but instead you waited until the end of the day to try and force a lynch on someone. Very scummy play indeed.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 01:48 PM

Ubernox I don't believe your sheriff claim because the mole doesn't show up as a terrorist

I never said he was a mole. All I know is that, when my investigation results came back, they said:

"You checked TheWaaagh tonight and discovered that he is a Terrorist!"

Maybe he managed to guess Escaho's role, or maybe they're both terrorists? Maybe death fire is the real vigilante, and has been blackmailed/inactive? You have to trust me on this one; it's your loss if you don't.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 01:53 PM

@Es if you want my role claim why don't you read my posts last page a little more closely? Also, I never said that Waaagh was the mole.

To all town: remember that the terrorists and the arsonist are among the crowd, and will attempt to away you into voting an innocent town member rather than a terrorist.

Deathfire123

January 20th, 2012, 02:00 PM

I am blackmailed.

Deathfire123

January 20th, 2012, 02:01 PM

-vote CmG

Kromos

January 20th, 2012, 02:02 PM

I never said he was a mole. All I know is that, when my investigation results came back, they said:

"You checked TheWaaagh tonight and discovered that he is a Terrorist!"

Maybe he managed to guess Escaho's role, or maybe they're both terrorists? Maybe death fire is the real vigilante, and has been blackmailed/inactive? You have to trust me on this one; it's your loss if you don't.

There is a very real chance that TheWaaagh was framed last night. I don't know why you left that out.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:03 PM

Alright, I claim that I was healed that night, glad to know the doctor thought I was valuable in some way.

Doctor should heal Escaho tonight, while the bodyguard heals an unknown target, this way we could actually get a mafia killed.

I'm not even sure if I trust this at all.

First of all, the chances of a doctor choosing you to heal and you getting attacked in the same night is very coincidental. An arsonist that was shot would also not mind claiming healed if he was shot by the mafia because they would think their target was saved and no longer an arsonist. It would also give the illusion that there actually is a doctor in play.

Also, the doctor is unlikely to claim that he healed you Day 1, so it's the perfect cover.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:04 PM

There is a very real chance that TheWaaagh was framed last night. I don't know why you left that out.

I was wondering who would point this out first. Surprising that the Sheriff himself never thought that his target could be framed.

Kromos

January 20th, 2012, 02:05 PM

Deathfire, vote CmG again if you have investigation results on him. If it is just based on day chat then unvote.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:09 PM

I am starting to wonder if CmG is the Framer who framed TheWaaagh...this would explain the random lynch and calling into credibility everything that he says.

Only 3 possible explanations:

1) Ubernox is lying about being the Sheriff to get TheWaaagh lynched.

2) Ubernox is the Sheriff, investigated and found out TheWaaagh is a terrorist.

3) Ubernox is the Sheriff, investigated a framed TheWaaagh and believes he is a terrorist.

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 02:10 PM

The person who can confirm me has posted.

Escaho, you should know what I am by ^^

If there is a Bus Driver in the game who isn't AFK, please for the love of god.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:15 PM

The person who can confirm me has posted.

Escaho, you should know what I am by ^^

If there is a Bus Driver in the game who isn't AFK, please for the love of god.

You realize that, if TheWaagh, Ubernox, and you are clean, we can determine every player's role by Day 4.

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 02:17 PM

Yeah, but if we're all dead that won't work, will it.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:19 PM

Oh, it can work. I can take a wound. BG can protect someone and the Doctor can protect someone. Tomorrow will give us the most information, I believe.

I think I might just shoot nanosystem or jaczac so at least have DISCUSSION from all players, even if it is only one post.

Rocshi

January 20th, 2012, 02:21 PM

Escaho: Do you know what I am?

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:25 PM

Currently, I'm suspecting:

CmG (Framer?)
Mopin (Arsonist?)
jaczac
nanosystem
GameFreak
Kromos

However, my suspects change every 30 minutes and even then, my list can't be trusted.

To those on my scum list, this shall be you tonight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etqwqm3XonA

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:25 PM

Escaho: Do you know what I am?

Yes.

nanosystem

January 20th, 2012, 02:26 PM

Sorry for not posting, I was busy the whole day. My thoughts:
CmG: Using the "I like trains" strategy (FYI: the one who posts after the "I like trains" post will get voted(but everybody should know that by now)), lurking after attacking TheWaaagh. Not sure about him, but he seems scummy
TheWaaagh: I'm not sure about him, but he seems to be a townie. I think he made a good move in giving us a leader.
Rocshi: Escaho confirmed him. Seems to be good.
Ubernox: Claims to be sheriff, claims that TheWaaagh is a terrorist. Either Waaagh was framed or Ubernox is lying. I'm not sure what is true, someone should check him
I will vote now because I won't be able to post later, but I'm not sure about it.
vote CmG

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:33 PM

jaczac, anything to add? Or would a bullet be more enticing?

Current Tally

TheWaaagh (3): CmG, Ubernox, Rocshi
CmG (2): Deathfire123, nanosystem
Deathfire123 (1): D

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:34 PM

[Fixed] Current Tally

TheWaaagh (3): CmG, Ubernox, Rocshi
CmG (2): Deathfire123, nanosystem
Deathfire123 (1): TheWaaagh[/QUOTE]

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 02:40 PM

I'm not even sure if I trust this at all.

First of all, the chances of a doctor choosing you to heal and you getting attacked in the same night is very coincidental. An arsonist that was shot would also not mind claiming healed if he was shot by the mafia because they would think their target was saved and no longer an arsonist. It would also give the illusion that there actually is a doctor in play.

Also, the doctor is unlikely to claim that he healed you Day 1, so it's the perfect cover.

Was quite shocked myself Escaho. Can't say anything to prove my innocence right now, though my investigation results will prove I am not the arsonist.

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 02:44 PM

With regards to the lynching I don't think we should vote anyone today. We don't have enough evidence to kill anyone right now and seeing as no town is dead, we still have time for more investigations.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 02:44 PM

Ok, Im willing to believe that Waaagh was framed. I'm not sure why though, but he may have. Personally, I'm going to keep an eye on him. I'm also willing to believe that CmG is a possible scum.

But, I just want everyone to keep in mind that it's also possible that deathfire is the vigilante, and that Waaagh and Escaho are terrorists. They could have easily been able to fake Waaagh knowing what role Escaho was, and Escaho would be able to have 100% trust from town as the accepted vigilante. What would be even worse would be if they also have a consort on deathfire, so that he can not kill Escaho and free himself.

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 02:48 PM

That is a possibility Ubernox, though I think it's quite unlikely. Though we can check it fortunately.

Deathfire, if what Ubernox is saying is true, vote Escaho. If not vote CmG again.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 02:54 PM

Deathfire: if you were blocked/bussed/attacked and healed last night, vote me.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 02:54 PM

If Deathfire votes me he will immediately be shot tonight as I will know his true allegiance.

Think about this logically for a second. The chances of me proclaiming Vigilante and the Mafia role-blocking AND blackmailing the true Vigilante is a bit of stretch. Not only that, but the real Vigilante would shoot me tonight if I was not him.

And what if Deathfire is the actual Blackmailer claiming to be blackmailed?

What if Ubernox is the mole?

What if Mopin was not healed, but claims that he was because his vest saved him last night?

On the plus side, at least all these questions and answers are making it much easier for me to decipher who is who. This is the discussion we needed and, in usual Jack Bauer fashion, if I have to threaten to shoot to save the Town, I will not hesitate to do so.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 02:58 PM

I don't like thinking about how some of the most trusted town members here could be terrorists.

Waaagh and Escaho are now some of the most trusted people here, and are quite effectively shaping the towns actions and train of discussion. I'm still not sure if Waaagh really was framed. I would have thought that they would have framed someone who talked more yesterday. Infant there's not even any real guarantee that there's even a framer here.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 02:59 PM

I'm not the mole because I'm the sheriff. If an investigator would like to investigate me, that would debunk any theories that I'm a mole.

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 03:01 PM

Kromos

January 20th, 2012, 03:01 PM

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 03:01 PM

But, I just want everyone to keep in mind that it's also possible that deathfire is the vigilante, and that Waaagh and Escaho are terrorists. They could have easily been able to fake Waaagh knowing what role Escaho was, and Escaho would be able to have 100% trust from town as the accepted vigilante. What would be even worse would be if they also have a consort on deathfire, so that he can not kill Escaho and free himself.

In order for that to occur we would have had to blackmail Deathfire, and send a Consig at him to find out he was the vigilante. You all seem to forget (or are ignoring) that the mafia does not have a consigliere in this setup.

At best, me and Escaho were terrorists that blackmailed deathfire, and then extrapolated that he was the vigilante from troll day one posts and decided to pull off the wildest day 2 gambit ever. In other words, your "possibility" is bullshit and you're just trying to spread misinformation at this point, or you didn't think it through at all.

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 03:02 PM

There's no point arguing about this whole thing really. Deathfire coming online should clear up this whole situation.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:03 PM

Escaho: if you want to prove that you are, indeed, Jack Bauer: Give us your final target for tonigh ASAP. If that is who you kill to tonight, then we can trust you.

Do it quickly. Day ends soon, and we still haven't even lunched anyone yet. There are two possible trains here: TheWaagh or CmG. Im going to keep my vote of Waaagh now.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 03:04 PM

I am starting to come around to Ubernox's side here. My only true concern is if lynching TheWaaagh reveals an Investigator. The Mafia will do anything they can to get rid of an Investigative role at this point. Investigations are going to be immensely powerful with this small amount of people.

The chances that TheWaaagh was framed and you chose him seem slim, but possible. In fact, Mopin's heal claim is just as improbable. Therefore, it is more likely that a) You are mafia and want an Investigative role to die or b) You are the true Sheriff and have discovered an actual mafia member.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:05 PM

There's more than one way to figure out someone's role, Waaagh. While I don't really believe my theory myself, but I want to remind everyone that you cannot trust anything that is not 100% proven.

Kromos

January 20th, 2012, 03:05 PM

Escaho, mafia didn't need to roleblock Deathfire, seeing as he can't do anything in the day, simply being blackmailed is a possibility. I think you are Jack Bauer Escaho, though it may be a good idea to shoot one of the lurkers (jaczac) to prove yourself. Unless of course, better targets appear during the rest of the day.

He should not be shooting lurkers yet. jaczac didn't say anything on day 1 of S-FM I then turned out be the vigi himself. If he continues lurking he will be modkilled but we do not want to risk reducing town numbers this quickly when we only have 13 members to begin with. We had an extra night to investigate with the no kill but that doesn't mean we need to make up for it by randomly killing someone.

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 03:06 PM

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 03:06 PM

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:09 PM

The chances that TheWaaagh was framed and you chose him seem slim, but possible. In fact, Mopin's heal claim is just as improbable. Therefore, it is more likely that a) You are mafia and want an Investigative role to die or b) You are the true Sheriff and have discovered an actual mafia member.

The really sad thing is that only I known for sure that I am sheriff. The closest proven result you can get on me is that I'm sheriff/framer, and eve then you'll only have that by tomorrow.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 03:09 PM

As I said before I really don't believe we need a lynch today. All the town is alive with the chance of having a good heal/bodyguard tomorrow. We should wait for Escaho to prove he is Jack Bauer and for more investigative results first.

Oh, I can easily prove I am Jack Bauer. I could just as easily shoot you tonight. However, if I claim to shoot someone and they are healed, I will look like a fool. Similarly, if I shoot the Godfather/Arsonist, the same result may occur: no one believes me.

However, town is still at max capacity and I will survive for at least one more night due to the vest. The better results we get from investigations, the easier this will be to work out. Shooting jaczac would be easy, but I could just as easily be shooting a townie that would bring us down to 7 versus 5. I do not want to blow the chance we were given today by killing a townie that the mafia failed to kill last night.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 03:09 PM

So first off i live in a different time zone then you people.

TheWaaagh is framed if Ubernox is really the Sherriff. If Deathfire is really blackmailed we already know the random Mafia roles. Awesome.
This automaticly makes Escaho Jack Baur or. Ubernox and or Deathfire are lying what would be a crap scum strategy at this point.

You people seem to not understand the CTU Mole system. Basicly Those 3 maggots are working for both sides until the Mole leaves with all the information. Since they have no Consignieur in their setup i highly assume that he is the Mole and will join the Terrorists on N3 out of meta game reasons.

Be Adviced that an Investigator can't counterclaim him because it is not clear which 3 Roles are in the CTU. 1 Investigator is accounted for. Or a really really lucky shot, or 2 Terrorists doing some stupid gambit.

Our best Lynch today is the Mole. Because we render the Terrorist blind with it. It's even worth it to sacrifice one member of the CTU for it.

All those people who jump onto my Waggon should think a bit more or at least state their analysis why i am not pro town.

TheWaaagh were you swapped tonight?

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 03:13 PM

Our best Lynch today is the Mole. Because we render the Terrorist blind with it. It's even worth it to sacrifice one member of the CTU for it.

All those people who jump onto my Waggon should think a bit more or at least state their analysis why i am not pro town.

TheWaaagh were you swapped tonight?

No, I was not bussed last night. And the mole (which I assume you mean me) is not the best choice for a lynch today because I can easily prove myself in 2 days time when Escaho joins the night chat. Seriously, how many times do I have to fucking say that? It's like you guys have blocked out all reason on your quest to lynch me. I understand that you thought I was scum earlier, but you need to accept that I'm not and move on.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:15 PM

Oh, I can easily prove I am Jack Bauer. I could just as easily shoot you tonight. However, if I claim to shoot someone and they are healed, I will look like a fool. Similarly, if I shoot the Godfather/Arsonist, the same result may occur

This is the same kinda thing. You really could have Bauer blocked and blackmailed, and you could just blame the lack of kill on having targeted someone who was healed/ the godfather/arsonist. But we dont have to worry about that yet: for now, just tell us your target and make your vote.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:19 PM

TheWaaagh could not be the mole. He is either framed or a normal terrorist.

But wait...

Do the terrorists know who their mole is, and are they able to use their night actions on him?

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 03:22 PM

Honestly, whether Escaho is Jack Bauer or not isn't that important right now. For one thing it's a very risky and unlikely move for the mafia, and later on or tomorrow Deathfire can reveal if he really is Jack Bauer.

It's not necessary for Escaho to kill to prove himself tonight, as I said no town have died at this point, we don't have to take risks like that.

Tonight doctor will heal Escaho and the bodyguard can get anyone else at random. We shall not lynch anyone or have the vigi random kill. This means there will only be one possible town death tomorrow, some confirmed roles and more investigation results

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 03:23 PM

This is the same kinda thing. You really could have Bauer blocked and blackmailed, and you could just blame the lack of kill on having targeted someone who was healed/ the godfather/arsonist. But we dont have to worry about that yet: for now, just tell us your target and make your vote.

Forcing me to shoot someone will not endear me to your side. The town thinks I should PROVE I am a Vigilante by shooting someone tonight when we have very little. What kind of logic is that? I will PROVE I am Vigilante when one of you gives me accurate investigation results so I can shoot them for you.

This is what I have learned today from others:

Ubernox investigated TheWaaagh. Found out he was a Terrorist.
TheWaaagh investigated Escaho. Found out he was Mafioso/Vigilante.
Escaho claims Vigilante.
TheWaaagh claims Investigator.
Ubernox claims Sheriff.

Kromos/CmG/Goremancer chime in with their usual "so and so must be this" or "so and so must do this" to prove themselves bullshit, ruffling feathers and WIFOMing all over the place.

Mopin/nanosystem don't even post until I threaten to shoot them and, even then, Ubernox did not post his investigation results until late in the day after I threatened to shoot Rocshi.

jaczac has said NOTHING.

GameFreak has made one post that offered nothing of value whatsoever.

And Rocshi got jumped on by me after he started a charge against TheWaaagh.

If we lynch TheWaaagh and he flips Investigator we will have two people in CTU chat: one mole and one town. Ubernox, you say you are not in CTU chat? What are the chances that TheWaaagh is the mole and was framed? And even then, if he gave those results, someone else from CTU chat would speak up and say, "No, he is lying. Those are my investigation results."

I think the Mole is lying low and not saying anything (or very little) to avoid confrontation.

You'll know I am who I say I am when I kill the scum.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:25 PM

Honestly, whether Escaho is Jack Bauer or not isn't that important right now. For one thing it's a very risky and unlikely move for the mafia, and later on or tomorrow Deathfire can reveal if he really is Jack Bauer.

Or they could blackmail deathfire again tomorrow. We really should have Escaho tell us his target, but we can re-evaluate our position again tomorrow.

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 03:26 PM

Ubernox, Deathfire can lynch someone to confirm whether he is Jack Bauer or not. Stop trying to get Escaho to kill tonight, it'll only hurt town right now.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 03:32 PM

TheWaaagh could not be the mole. He is either framed or a normal terrorist.

But wait...

Do the terrorists know who their mole is, and are they able to use their night actions on him?

I just thought of this in my last post as well. If they DO know who their mole is, TheWaaagh is not framed and is stealing Investigation results as a Terrorist (or you are lying about being Sheriff). If they do not know, possibly framed.

I also wondered if Deathfire may have been the Investigator that checked me, but he would have voted TheWaaagh, not CmG. Which makes me think TheWaaagh is telling the truth.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 03:33 PM

This is going to really suck if the Mafia has a Consort...

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:35 PM

Well, he doesn't have to kill tonight. I'm fine with him just saying his target before night sometime or another.

@Escaho There are a few ways that Waaagh could have known your role:

1. You're both terrorists, and this is all an elaborate (but completely possible) ploy

2. A guess. If you werent the vigilante, Waaagh could just have easily made up some excuse.

3. He's a mole investigator, and was framed by his own team.

4. He is an authentic investigator who was framed.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 03:37 PM

It's easy to proof if TheWaaagh is the Investigator or not. He can post out of his night chat. Like i said get the Mole today. Get more investigative Informations for Town and none for the Terrorists.

Easy as that.

I am not Wifoming anything Escaho i just do what i think is the best way to solve the mistery. If other people think claiming to be healed that late in the day seems a good idea. I don't think so especially if you look who claimed what at the Start of the day. That's what makes TheWaaagh so fucking scummy he tried to manipulate the day in his way with his 70%-30% found of Jack Bauer instead of a Mafioso.

Now think you were an investigator in this setup would you do this?

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:40 PM

I just thought of this in my last post as well. If they DO know who their mole is, TheWaaagh is not framed and is stealing Investigation results as a Terrorist (or you are lying about being Sheriff). If they do not know, possibly framed.

I also wondered if Deathfire may have been the Investigator that checked me, but he would have voted TheWaaagh, not CmG. Which makes me think TheWaaagh is telling the truth.

I'm starting to think that you really are the vigilante, but I have my still have my suspicions. If you feel like trusting anyone, you can trust me when I say that I really am a sheriff. I'm just saying that you could: no one would blame for being sceptical.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 03:44 PM

I'm not sure if healing me is a good idea tonight. The Mafia would be fools to risk attacking me with a Lookout in play. It would also result in another day's worth of investigations (at least 2: sheriff, invest) and a Lookout's results. Better to spread the Doctor/Bodyguard love around and hope the BG nets a kill. However, BG/Doctor, if you think you have no better options, I am always available.

I am not saying this to take your heal/protection powers away from others. If anything, save the other town. Ubernox looks like he'll need saving. If TheWaagh dies, then we'll know he's a true Invest.

Also, having played Serial Killer in the last FM has given me some insight into how to post while appearing to be pro-town. Therefore, I recommend investigation results for the following: Kromos, CmG, Goremancer, and Mopin. However, investigate at your own discretion.

Ubernox and TheWaagh: you may want to attempt to coordinate your investigations so you do not target the same people.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:44 PM

Waaagh, while a risky lynch, seems like the best target for today. I'm not sure if we should want to skip a lynch and give the terrorists a chance to catch up on their KPN.

Also, remember that the arsonist is still working away behind the scenes. No one knows if they have been doused: neither terrorists or town. I'd want to be careful about being too lenient towards looking for him for too long.

Mopin

January 20th, 2012, 03:48 PM

You can investigate me if you want, though remember I was healed night 1. So if you do really suspect me tomorrow then I guess the doctor could claim, though I should hope that wont be the case.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 03:50 PM

Also, I'd like to ask any lookouts, bodyguards or doctors to put me on their list of possible targets for tonight.

I would hate to draw your services away from someone who could really be Jack Bauer, but I think that ive certainly made me a target for scum tonight.

The arsonist may even try to douse me tonight after I've raised awareness about him, so a lookout could track him down from that. It's all your calls, though.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 03:53 PM

Mafia please shoot me tonight. This town is retarded.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 03:55 PM

On night 4, Jack Bauer joins CTU night chat and the Mole's actions and investigation results from the first 2 nights are revealed.

@Borkbot, what exactly does "the Mole's actions and investigation results" mean? Can the Mole investigate on his own AND receive the Investigator's results? Does the Mole have his own set of actions separate from the rest of those at CTU? Is CTU chat anonymous to all those involved? When people at CTU perform actions, does the Mole only see their actions or both actions AND who performed them?

Do the mafia know who The Mole is?

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:00 PM

Some great questions there.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Can't you use your own logic? Why do you think they know their mole? This would be retarded. He just would say nothing in the Nightchat until Day 3 and do his shit.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:03 PM

You should ask that TheWaaagh not Borkbot tbh.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:04 PM

We just want confirmation, CmG. If they can frame their mole, then TheWaaagh is still a lynch.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:04 PM

If anything, I'll just take the Lookout tonight. Perhaps throw a BG on Rocshi and a Doctor on Ubernox. Maybe someone on TheWaaagh, though he's questionable at the moment as a framed mole (and it would be hilarious if they killed their own mole). The Lookout will be able to locate the Arsonist and, if I am shot, will be able to determine who the mafia that shot me is. Unless the Lookout thinks that by saying all this the Arsonist will visit Ubernox or someone else. Then, feel free to switch to someone else.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:06 PM

You should ask that TheWaaagh not Borkbot tbh.

I need clarification of Night chat in CTU to see how the Mole will attempt to navigate his way through the day.

You realize that if Ubernox's investigation results say "TERRORIST" then TheWaaagh is either a) a framed investigator, b) a framed MOLE, or c) a terrorist. It is very possible TheWaaagh WIFOM'd his way into this mess by randomly picking an investigative result and accusing me of it, but I think this actually worked out better for the Town than it did for the Mafia based off of all the information we are getting.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:07 PM

We just want confirmation, CmG. If they can frame their mole, then TheWaaagh is still a lynch.

Why would they frame their own Mole!? This is retarded! If he is framed or not doesn't mean a thing if he is Terrorist or not.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:08 PM

He was framed because he was the most scummy Person Day 1 with Escaho

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:08 PM

@BorkBot: Are auto-immune targets (Godfather, Vigilante, and Arsonist) INFORMED when they are shot/attacked and that their one-time immunity vest is depleted?

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:09 PM

Herr Tally

TheWaaagh(1): CmG, Ubernox, Rocshi
Deathfire: TheWaaagh
CmG: Deathfire, nanosystem

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:10 PM

He was framed because he was the most scummy Person Day 1

Which was why I investigated him.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:11 PM

Why would they frame their own Mole!? This is retarded! If he is framed or not doesn't mean a thing if he is Terrorist or not.

This is why we want to know if the Mafia knows who their mole is. If they do not, they may have framed TheWaaagh and he could be a potential mole that LOOKS like a terrorist to a Sheriff.

If a Sheriff investigates The Mole on night 1 or 2, the mole comes up as NOT SUSPICIOUS. The chances that TheWaaagh WIFOM'd me into revealing by making a false accusation seems pretty far-fetched. Therefore, I'd say he received the Investigative results. Therefore, he is either a) an Investigator or b) the Mole. The ONLY way he could be The Mole is if he was FRAMED. Otherwise, Ubernox's investigation would have resulted in "Not Suspicious."

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:12 PM

There are 50 minutes left. If ya'll want a lynch, you'd better start voting.

I'll bet the I'm going to die tonight. I would LOVE a lookout of me tonight, while the doc can go on Escaho.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:15 PM

Hmm interesting. Borkbot answer you scummbag wanna know that too!

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:16 PM

I'll bet he's asleep. At least that would mean that we have a longer day to lunch now.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:17 PM

There are 50 minutes left. If ya'll want a lynch, you'd better start voting.

I'll bet the I'm going to die tonight. I would LOVE a lookout of me tonight, while the doc can go on Escaho.

I'm not sure I like this plan. I would prefer the Bodyguard on you. The ONLY 2 ways I can die before Night 4 is if I am either:

a) shot tonight and tomorrow night. The mafia will not do this as the town will have way too much Investigative results.

Or b) The arsonist douses me tonight and then incinerates me tomorrow.

Therefore, only the Lookout should visit me tonight. If anyone visits me, you will know they are the Arsonist/Blackmailer/Consort/Framer. Save your heals for Town Power Roles.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:18 PM

Escaho. please shoot Jaczac tonight to proof yourself. He will lurk all game and don'T contribute anything anyway. He is a liability if he is Town. I hope we can all agree with that. I have a nice little list already with all scum rolles(!) in my lw. Have fun killing yourself tonight if you kill me.

CmG out!

TheWaaagh

January 20th, 2012, 04:18 PM

Ubernox if you're going to keep posting the tally, post one with the actual numbers beside it.

TheWaaagh(3): CmG, Ubernox, Rocshi
Deathfire(1): TheWaaagh
CmG(2): Deathfire, nanosystem

If I was a terrorist, as per Ubernox's sheriff report, then I got insanely lucky by giving the two things Escaho could be before he claimed Vigilante. I even said before hand "Are you nervous about your possibilities" because he had to either claim the vigilante and get shot if he was lying, or get hung as a mafioso, because again at the time I thought he was scummy as hell day one and was likely to be mafia.

If I was the mole, and I tipped my hand this early in a suicide bomb attempt to take out the vigilante, what if I was wrong and got the mafioso killed instead? That would be playing pretty strongly against my faction, especially after I disappeared from the CTU night chat and was a confirmed mole. That'd be taking out two mafia at once.

If I was the investigator, and I revealed someone I thought to be mafioso but was actually the vigilante well, hey, that seems like what happened. How about that? Then it would explain why I was confident I could prove myself as not being the mole, while also willing to risk exposing the vigilante in exchange for taking out one of the 3 terrorists (mole excluded because we can figure him out after he disappears).

So no, I'm not a terrorist, which does indeed confirm either that a framer exists or that Ubernox is a terrorist. I assume he's the real sheriff since no one has counter-claimed him but we'll see. I can do nothing other than promise you guys that I'm not the mole, which will obviously not sway you in the slightest, but I mean that's really all I can do. I have my investigation result that I shared, and now I'm being put up to lynch because of it. I'm really disappointed.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:25 PM

Save your heals for Town Power Roles.

I'm a PR role.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:26 PM

I'm a PR role.

I was speaking to the Doctor/BG.

Deathfire123

January 20th, 2012, 04:27 PM

-unvote
-vote Ubernox
-unvote
-vote CmG

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:31 PM

If I was a terrorist, as per Ubernox's sheriff report, then I got insanely lucky by giving the two things Escaho could be before he claimed Vigilante. I even said before hand "Are you nervous about your possibilities" because he had to either claim the vigilante and get shot if he was lying, or get hung as a mafioso, because again at the time I thought he was scummy as hell day one and was likely to be mafia.

If I was the mole, and I tipped my hand this early in a suicide bomb attempt to take out the vigilante, what if I was wrong and got the mafioso killed instead? That would be playing pretty strongly against my faction, especially after I disappeared from the CTU night chat and was a confirmed mole. That'd be taking out two mafia at once.

If I was the investigator, and I revealed someone I thought to be mafioso but was actually the vigilante well, hey, that seems like what happened. How about that? Then it would explain why I was confident I could prove myself as not being the mole, while also willing to risk exposing the vigilante in exchange for taking out one of the 3 terrorists (mole excluded because we can figure him out after he disappears).

@Waaagh You could have made a informed estimate and taken a calculated risk. Mafioso is the most useless mafia role. Vigilante is biggest asset to town. If he's a mafioso, you solidify your position of trust with (relatively) minimal loss. If he's vigilante: mission accomplished. You might not even get lynched for it.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:33 PM

-unvote
-vote Ubernox
-unvote
-vote CmG

Deathfire: if you were blocked/bussed/attacked and healed last night, vote me.

So, we have about 20 minutes to sort out what happened here.

Either Deathfire bussed himself with CmG and survived. Or, Deathfire escorted CmG last night and has been waiting for CmG to say so, but he has not. Or, he was attacked AND healed (which would discredit Mopin's heal claim).

Deathfire may have investigated CmG? Two Investigators? Hmm...

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:35 PM

Ubernox if you're going to keep posting the tally, post one with the actual numbers beside it.

TheWaaagh(3): CmG, Ubernox, Rocshi
Deathfire(1): TheWaaagh
CmG(2): Deathfire, nanosystem

[QUOTE]If I was the mole, and I tipped my hand this early in a suicide bomb attempt to take out the vigilante, what if I was wrong and got the mafioso killed instead? That would be playing pretty strongly against my faction, especially after I disappeared from the CTU night chat and was a confirmed mole. That'd be taking out two mafia at once.

a Mole investigator with the trust of the Town 10x times more worth then a mafioso. You could use your status to lynch another CTU Agent as the Mole pre Day 3. Or Hope The Terrorist shoot one of the CTU Agents. Then you could say he was the Mole.
Or if your identity already slipped in the Night chat and you know that everybody will know that you are the Mole on Day 3. Or oyu know already the other 2 CTU Agents and can get them killed.

If I was the investigator, and I revealed someone I thought to be mafioso but was actually the vigilante well, hey, that seems like what happened. How about that? Then it would explain why I was confident I could prove myself as not being the mole, while also willing to risk exposing the vigilante in exchange for taking out one of the 3 terrorists (mole excluded because we can figure him out after he disappears).

You almost instantly used your investigative results to waste the day into a useless. Is he Mafioso or the Vigilante? Debate crippling another day for your survival until Day 3. The Vigilante is the key figure in this setup for Town. There is no Jailor or another awesome night immune crazy batshit town role. Telling the Arso who his best target for tonight is to help the Terrorists seems like a good Mole use to me.
Especially we don't even know if there s a lookout.

So no, I'm not a terrorist, which does indeed confirm either that a framer exists or that Ubernox is a terrorist. I assume he's the real sheriff since no one has counter-claimed him but we'll see. I can do nothing other than promise you guys that I'm not the mole, which will obviously not sway you in the slightest, but I mean that's really all I can do. I have my investigation result that I shared, and now I'm being put up to lynch because of it. I'm really disappointed.

You still could give us some info from your Night chat. kkthyxbye

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:36 PM

Deathfire has one vote left.

Deathfire, if you escorted CmG last night, please unvote and re-vote him. Otherwise, keep your vote the same.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:37 PM

Doctor, Escort, Bus driver did something right or those replacements were parts of the Terrorist derping around. I was blocked Tonight.

This was my second post today....

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:40 PM

This was my second post today....

Why would he vote you...the ONLY reason I can think of is that Deathfire is Sheriff and his investigative result came up "Terrorist." Otherwise, Mopin has claimed healed versus the mafia attack (which makes little sense, but whatever). Bus driver would not have investigative results, nor the Escort (other than the blockage)...

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:41 PM

He would vote me because he didn't read Mopin's claim of getting attacked and healed i guess. Or he claims noob escort who wants to be shot tonight. Dunno. I think he claims escort who blocked me.

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 04:42 PM

Do the terrorists know who their mole is, and are they able to use their night actions on him?
I'm still reading the thread, but no. The Terrorists were not given the identity of the Mole. And yes, they are able to use their night actions on him just like on any other non-Terrorist, until he joins them and becomes a Terrorist himself.

Ubernox

January 20th, 2012, 04:48 PM

Borks awake. Day ends in 10 minutes. We need four more votes to lynch Waaagh.

Escaho

January 20th, 2012, 04:51 PM

Borks awake. Day ends in 10 minutes. We need four more votes to lynch Waaagh.

I would much rather see more Investigative results from the two of you tomorrow instead of lynching a possible Investigator.

Lookout on me tonight please (I know there is one. Knowing the characters from the show, there is a 99% probability). Doc/BG on whoever, though I recommend BG on Uber or TheWaaagh. Doc might want to go on Rocshi.

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 04:53 PM

Borkbot, what exactly does "the Mole's actions and investigation results" mean? Can the Mole investigate on his own AND receive the Investigator's results? Does the Mole have his own set of actions separate from the rest of those at CTU? Is CTU chat anonymous to all those involved? When people at CTU perform actions, does the Mole only see their actions or both actions AND who performed them?

The mole can perform his own night action and he receives investigation results form both CTU agents (including the chosen targets), but he doesn't see who performed them. CTU chat is anonymous to all those involved. Night actions are submitted in PMs, so the anonymous accounts can lie to each other about the actions they will supposedly take.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 04:54 PM

The others don't get the results from the other 2?

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 04:58 PM

Are auto-immune targets (Godfather, Vigilante, and Arsonist) INFORMED when they are shot/attacked and that their one-time immunity vest is depleted?Yes, they will be informed. The shooter will also be informed. The bodyguard and arsonist will outright kill their victims (they ignore the vest's immunity).

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 05:00 PM

The others don't get the results from the other 2?
No, only the Mole does. The Mole's information is revealed to any remaining CTU members including Jack Bauer in their night chat on night 4 (as is explained in the FAQ).

Day will be extended by 10 minutes because I was late answering your questions. Sorry about that.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 05:02 PM

So The mole will indeed lay low.

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 05:03 PM

Or not. Hmm we will see tomorrow. Escaho please shoot Jaczac. Do as all a favour and sheet the king of lurkers and no participating in FM's

CmG

January 20th, 2012, 05:03 PM

i meant shoot.

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 05:12 PM

HOUR 3 HAS ENDED.

Nobody was lynched today.

The "night" will end at http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=january+21+11%3A59PM+gmt

Night chats are now open. The RP will be posted in a bit.

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 06:44 PM

Before I post the RP, I want to point out that the FAQ has been updated with answers to today's questions. Please go and read the updated Q&A at the bottom. Some of the answers given in response to today's questions were further clarified and I added some of my own input to make sure everyone knows how everything works (if they read that FAQ anyway).

Link:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/4227-24-SFM-Rules-and-FAQ-thread

I will write a short RP 4 real now ;)

BorkBot

January 20th, 2012, 08:25 PM

Hour 4 (Night): In The Wake Of Destruction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMv9f7r6EGg

The following takes place between 7:00 PM and 8:00 PM.

Despite a long exchange of words and many supposed revelations, no clear conclusions were drawn from the discussion that took place after the failed bombing incident. Brian Hastings insisted that they had already caught a suspect, namely Meredith Reed, and that they should follow up on that lead rather than messing around here. Chloe and Jack insisted that Farhad might be the traitor implicated by Aruz, but Omar and his associates dismissed this as being a preposterous idea. The president's brother called CTU out on racism and prejudice, and the argument soon heated up from both sides. Accusations were flung back and forth between various parties and individuals who attended the meeting.

Eventually, when things were getting out of hand, Omar Hassan demanded from his brother that he would retreat from the discussions for now. He would settle this and make sure that CTU's attention was properly directed. He also gave personal assurance that Meredith Reed was not the person they were after. Hastings didn't believe in blind faith that had no basis besides the feelings of a man who was having an affaire with the suspect in question, but he decided to keep that to himself for the moment. The bombing that was meant to assassinate the Kamistani president had failed already, so there was slightly less urgency. And Reed wasn't exactly going to run away either.

Field operations agent Cole Ortiz was never one to engage in a conflict of words; he was a man of action. He quickly grew bored as the discussion dragged on, and then he noticed something; the cop who had been observing the area from a motorcycle was still there, watching them. He excused himself to the people nearby and approached the agent on the motorcycle, greeting him. The cop had no intention of starting a friendly discussion and rode off. He never made it far, however. Mike Farmer failed to take note of some debris as he fled. He slipped and fell, scraping his jacket and clothes open on the jagged concrete. That wasn't enough to stop the cop's escape; he got up immediately and ran. Agent Ortiz pursued him, running as fast as he could and pulling his weapon, calling out for the suspect to freeze. Mike did not respond, and instead dashed away into an alley to the side and out of view.

Cole was on his tail for several more minutes, but the fugitive rogue cop - if he was a cop at all - was persistent and eventually managed to shake him off. Cole damned himself for not shooting when he had the chance. They still had nothing.

BorkBot

January 21st, 2012, 06:11 PM

Hour 5 (Day): A Shot In The Dark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0TgvGMaUtM

The following takes place between 8:00 PM and 9:00 PM.

With firm steps, Cole walked back through the alley. The night sky had veiled his surroundings in darkness by now, and there was little in terms of street lighting. Agent Ortiz didn't think about putting his firearm away here and now, for he was well aware that he wasn't out of the woods yet.

Using his free hand, he reached for his microphone and held it in front of him, for it had gotten loose while he was running. "This is Agent Ortiz. Lost sight of suspect, I'm on my way back."

Then he heard a rustle. It appeared to come from one of the buildings in front of him, but no lights were on inside.

"Who's there?" he called out in a commanding voice, convincing himself that he was in control. He let go of the microphone to hold his pistol in both hands to steady his grip. When no response came, he took a few quick steps until he was with his side against the wall on the same side of the street as the building where the noise came from. Then he slowly proceeded towards the open doorway, ducking beneath the windows when necessary.

"Hello?" he tried again. And this time, there came a reply. A man stepped out of the shadows on the opposite end of the street and opened fire. The first shot missed. The second one struck true in the chest, but Cole was wearing a vest, so he wasn't done for yet. With two strides he was inside. His attacker fired a third shot. Then another four in quick succession, but they all missed their target. This guy wasn't using his bullets sparingly, to say the least. He counted them all to fourteen and then feigned a movement to come out of his hiding place. One more shot grazed the doorpost he was hiding behind and then nothing... Reloading? Cole Ortiz took this opportunity to leave his cover and was ready to return fire, when suddenly he heard another loud bang. This time from behind him. From inside.

It was the last thing he'd ever hear.

Roles List:
Terrorist Leader
Hidden Terrorist PR *
Hidden Terrorist PR *
The President
Vigilante (Jack Bauer)
Hidden Civilian PR **
Hidden Civilian PR **
Hidden Civilian PR **
Hidden CTU Agent ***
Hidden CTU Agent ***
Hidden CTU Mole ***
Arsonist

* Hidden Terrorist PR: Blackmailer, Consort, Framer, Janitor, Mafioso
** Hidden Civilian PR: Bus Driver, Coroner, Doctor, Escort, Sheriff
*** Hidden CTU Agent: Detective, Investigator, Lookout
*** Hidden CTU Mole: Detective, Investigator, Lookout

Graveyard:
( Victor Aruz ) - Shot by a sniper
( Nameless Cop ) - Killed in the chaos that ensued after a failed bombing
( Bodyguard (Cole Ortiz) Mopin ) - Shot in the back of his head in a dark alley

Player List:
Goremancer
McPwnage
Escaho
Kromos
CmG
Deathfire123
nanosystem
TheWaaagh
GameFreak
Rocshi
Ubernox
jaczac

7 votes are required to lynch.

This "day" will end at http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=january+23+1%3A59AM+gmt