Night 2 Idea Discussion

[Arkadi]

Looking over the thread, here's my submission for what I think our plan should be tonight:


Fyodor -General - Kill Viteslav
Nikifor - Forger - Forge Viteslav?
Arkadi - Detainer - Block Alexei?
Mihail - Framer - Frame Alexei
Yakov - Sapper -Kill Matvei
Prokofi - Medic - Heal General
Igor - Soldier - Kill Nikita
Leonid - Spotter - Watch Moisey?

I think we should sap Matvei tonight, because it's likely people will visit him after the fuck up he caused today. And if he isn't the jailor, it's likely that he is the one that has been jailed and we can kill the jailor anyway.

Our two kill targets should be people that are useful but not too out there right now, and while I was between Viteslav and Jaroslav, I think Jaroslav is either going to be the target of the communists tonight, or is actually one of the communists himself (which would explain why he was the only one "arguing" with Lenin via rep). Nikita is playing itself while still guiding discussion, which screams Town PR to me.

Alexei should probably be framed so she doesn't come up as detective, and I was thinking about blocking her so if they ask for her info to "prove" her claim tomorrow, and she claims blocked, she'll probably get herself lynched. We just can't do the anarchist/disposer frame job on her otherwise people will put two and two together before she's hung.

As for the lookout, it's tough to say. If we decide to go through with sapping Matvei then we can't have the lookout on them, so it should go to another big suspect for investigations like Moisey. If we opt to not sap Matvei tonight then I think he'd be the best target for the lookout to watch though.

[Arkadi]

That should say "Nikita is playing it safe" not "playing itself" my bad lol.

[Leonid]

Gavril was indeed Doctor.
Alexei became less scummy cause of him defending Gavril.
Matvei is not so very scummy because of his confidence.
Tatyana is the only obvious town - might get a gun. Might block Matvei or Igor.
Dimitri more likely to be town for voting Igor.
Kirill and Vasili hiding the rep message.

My question now is how confident are we that Matvei and Alexei will
1) Survive the night
2) Be lynched tomorrow
And if Igor
3) Will be roleblocked

Basically town is just plain stupid for ignoring the fact that Igor can be a Infiltrator.

[Arkadi]

Gavril was indeed Doctor.
Alexei became less scummy cause of him defending Gavril.
Matvei is not so very scummy because of his confidence.
Tatyana is the only obvious town - might get a gun. Might block Matvei or Igor.
Dimitri more likely to be town for voting Igor.
Kirill and Vasili hiding the rep message.

My question now is how confident are we that Matvei and Alexei will
1) Survive the night
2) Be lynched tomorrow
And if Igor
3) Will be roleblocked

Basically town is just plain stupid for ignoring the fact that Igor can be a Infiltrator.

Anyone that visits Matvei tonight would also be killed by the sapper. So worrying about a vigilante or someone taking him out with a gun doesn't matter. The sapper isn't just about ignoring invulnerability, it's also about killing all the people that visit him as well.

If Alexei is framed and shown to not be a detective, and on top of that claims she was blocked and thus has no information as a result, I think she could be a pretty big scum target for tomorrow. Imagine the case that since she was German, she knew that Matvei was lying about sheriff, and that Gavril really was the doctor. That's why she "unvoted" after the hammer was already set: she killed Gavril while also making herself appear innocent when she was right.

[Leonid]

Anyone that visits Matvei tonight would also be killed by the sapper. So worrying about a vigilante or someone taking him out with a gun doesn't matter. The sapper isn't just about ignoring invulnerability, it's also about killing all the people that visit him as well.

If Alexei is framed and shown to not be a detective, and on top of that claims she was blocked and thus has no information as a result, I think she could be a pretty big scum target for tomorrow. Imagine the case that since she was German, she knew that Matvei was lying about sheriff, and that Gavril really was the doctor. That's why she "unvoted" after the hammer was already set: she killed Gavril while also making herself appear innocent when she was right.

Wasting a sapper to kill a peasant with a gun is fail. Need to be very sure if Matvei is dying tonight. And how many people will be visiting. If Matvei dies and turn out to be Nicholas, Alexei will not die. I hope to buy Igor another day. But I agree Matvei must die no matter what. Question is how? And if we want to forge his last will to frame Kirill and Vasili?

[Nikifor]

Nikifor enjoys playing in the third person!

In all honesty that guy with 3 posts seems super scummy to me. I will have to find it. I feel a sapper and forgery would be wasted at this point. We need to wait for the Jailor to reveal as he is the most powerful of town roles and would definitely be protected.

[Leonid]

We need to think of...

1) Who has the Gunsmith gun, who will be receiving it tonight and who will they shoot tomorrow.
2) Who will the Bolsheviks kill?
3) Who is Nicholas II and who will be jailed?
4) Anarchist kill.
5) Town power role actions.

[Leonid]

Nikifor said he is Goonswarm!

And Prokofi is Elixir?

[Leonid]

Nikifor enjoys playing in the third person!

In all honesty that guy with 3 posts seems super scummy to me. I will have to find it. I feel a sapper and forgery would be wasted at this point. We need to wait for the Jailor to reveal as he is the most powerful of town roles and would definitely be protected.

Leo played exactly like Gavril to survive... town is repeating the same mistake again...

[Leonid]

By the way, cult grows by 2 per night (1 kill, 1 recruit). They need to be stopped quick.

[Nikifor]

I love how the framing was successful night 1. I would think that odds of that working would be slim to none. Still I think it is worth it to try a kill on Matevi as the doc is dead. I am completely against sapping him however.

[Arkadi]

Nikifor enjoys playing in the third person!

In all honesty that guy with 3 posts seems super scummy to me. I will have to find it. I feel a sapper and forgery would be wasted at this point. We need to wait for the Jailor to reveal as he is the most powerful of town roles and would definitely be protected.

I forgot the forger has a set amount of charges, I was thinking you could do that at any time, so I guess we'll wait for a real invest/sheriff claim then. And are you referring to Sergei? I think he's the guy that was modkilled and had a replacement come in, that's why they were like "What did I miss?". Unless you think that's what he was trying to pretend?

If Jaroslav is not a Bolshevik then I suppose he will be their target. If he is a Bolshevik, like I suspect, then who knows who they plan on killing. Probably Tatyana since she's the only seemingly legit power role claim so far.

I'm unsure who the Anarchist will kill, maybe Alexei since she was throwing out accusations left and right. If not, maybe Svetlana?

[Nikifor]

By the way, cult grows by 2 per night (1 kill, 1 recruit). They need to be stopped quick.
It is not really a cult so to say. It is more of a revolutionist team. We are in a no danger of being converted, and I doubt they would out themselves to say if someone is not convertible. Still we should fear converted citizens posing as Pm's to get us lynched. If we could focus on killing Lenin or Stalin and get just one of them, that would ne awesome. The Matevi situation buys us time and creates confusion which is good. I suggest we look for people who are trying to stay below the radar and yet not lurk. We should target them tonight and hope we are correct.

[Nikifor]

Spelling bla bla im on a phone.

[Arkadi]

If we're trying to target people we believe to be Bolsheviks, then I'd suggest Jaroslav instead of Viteslav. If you look at his play from the perspective that he's Lenin it's the exact same thing Muso did with his smurf in the last FM.

[Mihail]

Jaroslav is Sumi, I know it since she is the only one who uses the word "Salutations", heh. Expect her to change that next FM, still new... I think she is scum or neutral this game, so since you suspect her of being Bolshevik that is a possibility. Lets not kill her yet? Need to use the other baddies to kill more town first. Also I would feel bad if I get her killed early :[

Nikifor you think the framing worked? I sent rep to Viktoria because he's obviously Deathfire and I thought he might be gullible enough to follow it. I guess he became smarter, lol

Still, this probably helped make Matvei think that his lynch target was really mafia.

[Mihail]

Are we certain that Matvei is town? You seem pretty confident about this. Should we really use our Sapper so soon?

Frame Alexei? As what exactly? I think he looks alot more town now, it just won't work. Unless I make him look like a jester to lose credability 0.o

Tatyana has to die asap, if you think the other killers will target her then ok... But if they don't then we end her life tommorow, i'm just a bit paranoid about escorts now, lol

[Arkadi]

Are we certain that Matvei is town? You seem pretty confident about this. Should we really use our Sapper so soon?

Frame Alexei? As what exactly? I think he looks alot more town now, it just won't work. Unless I make him look like a jester to lose credability 0.o

Tatyana has to die asap, if you think the other killers will target her then ok... But if they don't then we end her life tommorow, i'm just a bit paranoid about escorts now, lol

I just think that Matvei is pretty likely to be the number one most visited person tonight after his shenanigans in the day. So the sapper would probably kill at least 2-3 people. The way I see it:

If Matvei is jailor (and that's why he was so confident in faking sheriff):

Then we killed jailor. Good job everyone.

If Matvei is not jailor:

Then he was probably jailed tonight since the jailor would either be keeping him safe if he was right about gavril, or going to execute him if he was wrong. Following that logic, the sapper would then kill the jailor.

Tatyana is probably going to block Matvei again, as it was her only strong lead from the previous day. So she'd die to the sapper too.

Any investigators/real sheriffs are likely to visit Matvei tonight to find out what the fuck he was doing. So the sapper would kill them as well.

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I can see you guys not wanting to pop our sapper so early, but I don't think it would really be a waste. I won't push the issue though, especially since it's not even me that would end up blowing up.

Alexei, as I pointed out before, tried to "unvote" after the hammer was already laid. I think anyone could use that as a strong argument for scum trying to save face after lynching someone they know is not mafia. So a frame job + block could still get her lynched.

If you guys want to not use the sapper, and you want to keep Jaroslav alive to potentially cause havoc for the Bolsheviks, then I guess the setup would look like this:

Fyodor -General - Kill Matvei
Nikifor - Forger - Do nothing
Arkadi - Detainer - Block Alexei?
Mihail - Framer - Frame Alexei
Yakov - Sapper -Do nothing
Prokofi - Medic - Heal General
Igor - Soldier - Kill Tatyana
Leonid - Spotter - Watch Moisey? Matvei?

I'm still not too sure what a could target for the lookout would be. Perhaps Matvei? Even though he'll be killed, we could still see who else checked up on him tonight?

[Mihail]

Alright, if you still think Alexei will be lynched then i'l frame him as Framer/Drunkard/Detective. Even if he is already a detective its still effective if he's checked by sheriff.

Tatyana is a higher risk target than Matvei, a claimed escort will most likely be protected. Just FYI...

[Mihail]

And, this goes without saying... Block Tatyana OR Matvei, better to block Tatyana. Unless one of us is missing from chat and might be jailed? Are everyone here?

[Arkadi]

And, this goes without saying... Block Tatyana OR Matvei, better to block Tatyana. Unless one of us is missing from chat and might be jailed? Are everyone here?

Well if I'm going to block someone other than Alexei then there's no point in framing her since she'll just give whatever detection results she gets and be confirmed as detective. The point was to frame her as something not detective, block her so she has no results, and then play on her previous behavior to get her lynched. If we're not going to do that then it's better to frame someone else.

[Nikifor]

Nvm for some reason I thought we framed him. Deep. Also if I am investigated im claiming citizen. Fuck being paired with teacher/journalist. I will say I was framed. Also please don't turn out night chat into a cluster fuck of threads.

[Nikifor]

I vote we steer clear of the big targets as they will run a risk of having a lookout on them. I know our general is immune to them, so if you decide to attack high profile people let's make sure our healed general does it.

I still want to focus on killing a red. The last thing we want is to bleed members to the reds.

[Nikifor]

I just had a revelation based on the other thread. FalseTruth is Stalin and he got an unable to be recruited message for Gavril. He then claims sheriff in the hope that it is a German. When Gavril flipped doc he can fall back on citizen or martyr.
If we think Matevi is Stalin I support a healed general going for him.

The question is, do we benefit more from killing him as he is the prime focus of town, or do we let him live and hope he is lynched.

[Nikifor]

I just had a revelation based on the other thread. FalseTruth is Stalin and he got an unable to be recruited message for Gavril. He then claims sheriff in the hope that it is a German. When Gavril flipped doc he can fall back on citizen or martyr.
If we think Matevi is Stalin I support a healed general going for him.

The question is, do we benefit more from killing him as he is the prime focus of town, or do we let him live and hope he is lynched.
He can also say Gavril was framed, I forgot about that. I want feedback on a kill vs no kill scenario on Matevi please.

[Fyodor]

COLOR=#FF0000]Fyodor[/COLOR] -General - Kill Galina
Nikifor - Forger - Forge Galina
Arkadi - Detainer - Block
Mihail - Framer - Frame Tatyana as Detainer
Yakov - Sapper -Kill Matvei
Prokofi - Medic - Heal Fyodor
Igor - Soldier - Kill ??
Leonid - Spotter - Watch Moisey

We need Galina out of the game and we have to make sure he doesn't leave any further leads in his will.

I want Matvei and everyone who target him dead. We might not have another shot to use this ability now that there is additional KPN. I fear that I may be the target of an attack so a heal will go on me. The frame on Tatyana is for sheriffs who want to make sure he's not a detainer...

I'm flexible on the detainer, spotter, and the 3rd kill, but everything else needs to happen.

We need to find a risky target for Igor to attack. Someone who may be watched because I'd rather have Igor die to someone role claiming and lynching him rather than him just dying at night. The block on Alexei or Tatyana and the kill on the other would be amazing.

[Arkadi]

COLOR=#FF0000]Fyodor[/COLOR] -General - Kill Galina
Nikifor - Forger - Forge Galina
Arkadi - Detainer - Block
Mihail - Framer - Frame Tatyana as Detainer
Yakov - Sapper -Kill Matvei
Prokofi - Medic - Heal Fyodor
Igor - Soldier - Kill ??
Leonid - Spotter - Watch Moisey

We need Galina out of the game and we have to make sure he doesn't leave any further leads in his will.

I want Matvei and everyone who target him dead. We might not have another shot to use this ability now that there is additional KPN. I fear that I may be the target of an attack so a heal will go on me. The frame on Tatyana is for sheriffs who want to make sure he's not a detainer...

I'm flexible on the detainer, spotter, and the 3rd kill, but everything else needs to happen.

We need to find a risky target for Igor to attack. Someone who may be watched because I'd rather have Igor die to someone role claiming and lynching him rather than him just dying at night. The block on Alexei or Tatyana and the kill on the other would be amazing.

I'll block Tatyana then as the "real" actress. And we can try killing alexei again lol.

[Yakov]

Is that from u Nick?

NonevisitedDimitri.CheckStatistics. Dim,Jel,Kir,Mak,Mat,Moi,Nik,Vas,Vik,Yak Lenined. RealLeninorWIFOMtrap.ByCOMwith4reppower.FYI.



and also kiril and Nikita have to die soon.

If the jail chat is not rigged the Jailor is from USA. Because of the time difference in their chat.

[Nikifor]

I disagree with an Alexi kill as I feel he will be executed in jail.

Igor if you want to use my ability tonight, help me out and type what you want. It is hard to make a legit will with pics from a phone. Also, I honestly feel a sapper use tonight would be a waste. It is our ONE ability that can kill regardless of immunity or heal. I would save it for confirmed Jailor or Anarchist.

[Yakov]

Also if Matvei is not the jailor or is executed and i blow up. Then there is nothing what would prevent the jailor from outing himself and leading town. We are facing quite a lot of Town PR in this setup. You could try to wifom that there is a second sapper around. Good that i got sapper and not Igor. Lollerskates. Nevermind i will sap Matvei then?

[Arkadi]

Oh yo, should we set up a death note offering a list of names for the Bolsheviks and Anarchist to attack so there's no overlap? We could put Fyodor's name on that list since we have Nikifor healing him, and then it would also possibly clear him as an enemy of the state since he's on the maf kill list.

Thoughts?

And Yakov, if Matvei is executed in jail, your attack would still kill the jailor since it's your target + anyone that visited them that night. That's why hitting Matvei would be good. There's no doubt that at least a few power roles will be visiting him tonight to find out what he was doing in the day.

[Nikifor]

Oh yo, should we set up a death note offering a list of names for the Bolsheviks and Anarchist to attack so there's no overlap? We could put Fyodor's name on that list since we have Nikifor healing him, and then it would also possibly clear him as an enemy of the state since he's on the maf kill list.

Thoughts?

And Yakov, if Matvei is executed in jail, your attack would still kill the jailor since it's your target + anyone that visited them that night. That's why hitting Matvei would be good. There's no doubt that at least a few power roles will be visiting him tonight to find out what he was doing in the day.
Nikifor is forger not medic lol.
I am not convinced Matevi is Jailor and I think blowing our sapper N2 when Matevi could easily be something unimportant is a poor choice. Keep in mind he revealed and lynched a doctor, a doctor who was not framed. The evidence is not there. We need to wait for a real sheriff to reveal or Jailor and nuke him with the sapper the following night as he is getting healed, lookouted, armor, guns, act.

[Yakov]

Oh yo, should we set up a death note offering a list of names for the Bolsheviks and Anarchist to attack so there's no overlap? We could put Fyodor's name on that list since we have Nikifor healing him, and then it would also possibly clear him as an enemy of the state since he's on the maf kill list.

Thoughts?

And Yakov, if Matvei is executed in jail, your attack would still kill the jailor since it's your target + anyone that visited them that night. That's why hitting Matvei would be good. There's no doubt that at least a few power roles will be visiting him tonight to find out what he was doing in the day.

I don't think so, Town Power roles fear the sapper. The good ones will go for other targets and the Jailor will definetly not execute because of that fear. Especially if he thinks he has a German in there. The only one he would execute is the sapper himself. He would not risk it as long i am around.

I am a living wifom trap. Most TPR would go and check the hooker instead. I should bomb Ganondorf if i should be used tonight.

[Arkadi]

Yo Igor has his invisibility off but he's not in here. Do you think he's trying to say that he was jailed? If so we could redirect the bomb to hit igor if we're that worried about the jailor...

[Mihail]

Is Igor here or is he jailed? Damn that suicidalnoob, who let him play? And why anything other than a useless citizen? There are far better options in the reserves than suicidaltroll :|

Yes I do believe that escort will be protected and checked tonight... So if Sapper now then it should be on Tatyana probably. Still, maybe better to save the sapper to keep spooking the jailor?

[Yakov]

Am i th eonly one who reads Kirill as Fred and Nikita as dangerous?

[Arkadi]

Am i th eonly one who reads Kirill as Fred and Nikita as dangerous?

I suggested before that Nikita should be a kill target, but there's plenty of targets right now so I'll go with whoever we think is best.

[Nikifor]

Again I can't stress how important it is to save the sapper for a time to deliver a crushing blow to the town. I predict several reveals tomorrow if Matievi is left alive, I fear he will confirm his role if left alive. I still can't wrap my mind around his sheriff claim which we all know is bullshit since we did not frame the doc.

[Yakov]

How does Suicidaln00b act if he gets jailed? Does he only post "i am mafia" Or how does he react? Also if he is jailed and says that he is mafia the jailor will or will not exeucte?. If he thinks n00b is indeed a german he should know that he is expendable and that we would sap our own to get the jailor out of the game. Or maybe he expects that and let him live. Because he is an easy lynch target tomorrow anyway. The Jailor can send messages through Kromos as long he doesn't get killed. His claim for faceblocked a kill is a good trust gainer.

Our Panda with the guns will have a hard day tomorrow.

[Fyodor]

We have to organize our thoughts better.

The following people followed by % chance they are not a citizen:
Galina(85%)
Dimtri(60%)
Alexei(85%)
Tatyana(95%)
Matvei(70%)
Sacha(70%)
Nikita(70%)
Moisey(70%)
Larisa(75%)

We must kill 2 of those people.
I'd like to kill Matvei and Galina. Please chime in on who you think we should kill. Also if everyone thinks Matvei is the Jailor then ignore him and choose another one. If I had to pick someone other than Matvei I'd choose Dimitri only to see what he is. He's an enigma that has quieted down and I'm curious.

Sapper target Igor

We're using the framer as the 2nd killer.

I'll kill Matvei

-kill Dimitri

Medic needs to heal me.

Framer needs to kill Galina. and forger should target him and make a decent fake last will with no indication of a night ability or action That's you Goon.

If I'm attacked tomorrow I will not claim it and if someone comes out and says they shot me with a gun I'll deny it. I already said that the jailor should target igor and I could be fucked now.

[Fyodor]

We have to organize our thoughts better.


I'll kill Matvei

-kill Dimitri

I lol'd.

I want to kill Dimitri unless people don't think Matvei is the jailor.

[Arkadi]

Hold on a sec, if Igor is jailed, doesn't that mean Dimitri could be the jailor? I remember he said in the day thread he would like to inspect Igor at night.

[Arkadi]

Yeah, post #453 from Dimitri:

"Unvote Igor
Vote Gavril


I shall perform experiments on Igor tonight to determine if my hypothesis is correct. "

We might not even need a sapper on him if we believe that post. Him being jailor would make sense with the way he's been acting.

[Arkadi]

*we might not even need a sapper on igor if we believe that post

[Fyodor]

I don't think that's enough evidence to not use the sapper. The sapper could be killed tonight by some other team or we can get a for sure kill on the Jailor.

If Igor isn't jailed and just isn't posting because he's a douchebag then there's nothing we can do about that. Until he posts in this chat we should be sending the sapper on him to get a for sure kill on the sapper.

[Arkadi]

I don't think that's enough evidence to not use the sapper. The sapper could be killed tonight by some other team or we can get a for sure kill on the Jailor.

If Igor isn't jailed and just isn't posting because he's a douchebag then there's nothing we can do about that. Until he posts in this chat we should be sending the sapper on him to get a for sure kill on the sapper.

Well, if you're dead set on using the sapper I'd recommend killing someone like Nikita or Svetlana instead of Dimitri. That way if he is the jailor our kills won't overlap.

[Forum Mafia GM]

whoops fyodor was jailed.
sorry about that, he can no longer post here:(

[Yakov]

I lol'd

[Yakov]

Yeah i agree we definetly should sap claw now :D

[Arkadi]

Okay, so our godfather has been jailed. What are everyone's thoughts on the situation?

Nikifor - Forger - Forge Galina
Arkadi - Detainer - Block Tatyana
Mihail - Framer - Frame Tatyana as Detainer
Yakov - Sapper -Kill Matvei OR do nothing
Prokofi - Medic - Heal Igor
Igor - Soldier - Kill Galina
Leonid - Spotter - Watch Moisey OR Matvei if sapper doesn't sap

Does everyone find this agreeable?

I repped Claw saying that if he knows he's going to be executed then we could have the sapper go after him if you guys want to do that. I know Goon is reluctant but I figured with our General possibly dead he might change his mind so I'd throw it out there.

[Arkadi]

Alright, depending on how things go, how about instead of having Yakov explode tonight we have him kill Juri?

Juri's not likely to have anyone watching them in terms of a lookout or bodyguard after their aid in killing the doctor. So we could have Yakov get a second kill in there if he's not going to explode.

[Yakov]

Good idea if they catch me i hint i am weaponsmith. gave him a weapon because he looked so ubertowny xD

[Arkadi]

Okay so is everyone cool with this then?

Nikifor - Forger - Forge Galina
Arkadi - Detainer - Block Tatyana
Mihail - Framer - Frame Tatyana as Detainer
Yakov - Sapper -Kill Juri (non sapping)
Prokofi - Medic - Heal Igor
Igor - Soldier - Kill Galina
Leonid - Spotter - Watch Matvei

[Yakov]

Oh and btw stop pming Fyodor this night. It could indicate that he has friends at night.

[Yakov]

i mean repping. Not Pming. Just don't.

[Arkadi]

And I guess one of the deathnotes can go something like:

Anarachist and Bolsheviks let's prevent kill overlap at night, if you wish to work with us choose one of these targets: Svetlana, Nikita, Mihail/Nikifor/Arkadi (one of us), Vetislav, Matvei

We should pick one of us that's not Fyodor (in case he dies tonight) to be on that list, and then that will be the person that Prokofi heals. Sound good?

[Arkadi]

Rep update from Claw:



14-01-2012 06:36 PM

Thread: Day 2 - A Lesson To Be... (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/4402-Day-2-A-Lesson-To-Be-Learned?p=71540#post71540)
Do not send the sapper to kill me. I believe I talked my way out of it. -Claw

[Nikifor]

Like I said using sapper tonight is a fucking mistake. It is too damn early to use our biggest weapon. What do you want Galina's will to say? I can't do much from my phone so make some shit up and we will have the game master use that.

Otherwise it will be: Sup, you mad? -Germans

[Nikifor]

Could there be 2 jailors??? O.o

[Yakov]

This gives too much away. Our Death notes have to be constant following one path. You have to do it in the Team fortress 2 style. Why not say we found a cult to frame somebody for tomorow in the death note? What do we do about the second missing kill ?
Shall we hint tomorrow in day chat that the germans didn't kill to frame somebody or hit an invul? Our great leader wasn't a good target to get night killed. He was a good jail target though.

Can't the medic heal through the execution? Heal Fyodor!?

[Yakov]

frame igor. last will: I am Mafia! :D

[Nikifor]

Jailor execute ignores healing. Jailor can be roleblocked however. We must roleblock the suspected Jailor imo.

[Nikifor]

Also since our General is immune, medic should heal the sapper.

[Arkadi]

Well Claw hasn't hinted me to his identity, so who would you like to gamble a block on? I thought blocking Tatyana would be our best move given what we know. And I'm saying we don't use the sapper to explode, but instead we send him for a second kill tonight (Juri or Georgi now that I think about it. Killing Georgi could help us with Alexei since he put some heat on her at the end of the day 2). That way the jailor won't figure out that Fyodor is our GF. I guess we should set up a list of possible scum suspects for Galina's last will. I'll go look through now to try to emulate his speech patterns.

And yeah Nikifor, good call on that. I had the healer listed as on Igor since originally we were only going to shoot one guy as bodyguard insurance, but you're right it's better to keep it on Yakov.

[Prokofi]

i think that we should heal Matvei OR watch Matvei.
i dont think i can save an executed man.

Is it possible for a mafia role to shoot instead of using his ability?

[Yakov]

sure Guardian it is. How could we kill if the mafioso and the general would be dead instead?

[Arkadi]

Galina's Last Will:

Greetings from beyond the grave comrades.

As I think on my death I would like to give you all the names of some people you must watch out for if we are to win this for the motherland.

Sacha - Follows the town's bandwagon wherever it goes. Swearing is not a substitute for contribution.

Alexei - I should not have to go in to great detail on why she is a target of my suspicions. Detective is an easy thing to claim if your mafia team has a lookout supplying the opposite information.

Moisey- Too eager for bloodshed. I have had my suspicions of him since day one when he accused two people of being germans but not bolsheviks. Why so specific?

Matvei - Another person that I should not have to go in to great detail about. Led the lynch of our town's doctor. Do not believe any more of his bourgeoisie lies.

Juri - Claimed the doctor did not heal her in order to see the lynch through. What upstanding comrade would have the motive to do this?

Good luck and stay strong comrades.


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How's that sound? And Yakov, if you want to make the death note go ahead, I've never played TF2 so I don't know any of the quotes or whatever you want me to use. So that's all you bud.

[Prokofi]

scrap what i said.
Matvei should be left alone.

i should heal the sapper.

Alexei should be spotted.

We should Frame Sacha OR Juri.

We should kill Tatyana.
We should kill Matvei.

[Arkadi]

And just to keep the actions updated Vote Tally style, here it is with the heal target change:

Nikifor - Forger - Forge Galina
Arkadi - Detainer - Block Tatyana
Mihail - Framer - Frame Tatyana as Detainer
Yakov - Sapper -Kill Juri (non sapping)
Prokofi - Medic - Heal Yakov
Igor - Soldier - Kill Galina
Leonid - Spotter - Watch Matvei

If any one has a better suggestion for Yakov's kill or my block please share it. I think everything else is pretty solid, but if you have a problem with it speak up on that as well.

I would agree with you on the kill targets Prokofi but we are not immune to detection tonight. So we need to take out targets that are not as likely to be watched tonight. I'd be willing to discuss switching out Juri for someone like Nikita though if everyone would rather do that? I just can't see why a lookout/bodyguard/doc would do Juri tonight though after the hand they had in the doc's death.

[Prokofi]

scrap what i said.
Matvei should be left alone.

i should heal the sapper.

Alexei should be spotted.

We should Frame Sacha OR Juri.

We should kill Tatyana.
We should kill Arcadi.

Fixed :shy:

[Yakov]

such was live in moscow.

[Prokofi]

We already know that our kills will almost certainly go through.

I believe there is a VERY HIGH likelihood that our general will be lynched.

[Yakov]

we could frame Dimitri as soldier. so if somebody invests him he popps up as cult. Maybe somebody checks him after the news article?

Who should i frame with the Death note?

[Mihail]

They are both risky targets.

Arkadi, erase his last will. Don't try to fabricate something he would write. Can the Forger erase a last will? Making it seem like the person never wrote one that is?

If the answer to that is yes then do that Arkadi. We don't know his role.

Considering we suspect Matvei of being Jailor we should:
Block Matvei
Kill Matvei
Frame Tatyana
Kill Galina
Erase Galina's last will (if possible)

Or do you guys want to avoid doing anything to Matvei in case Fyodor manages to talk his way out of this?

In that case:
Block Alexei
Frame Alexei
Kill Tatyana

[Prokofi]

Doctor/Medic/Serial Killer

that should be our method of framing. a Doctor is already dead...

[Prokofi]

i really don't think Fyordor can talk his way out of this one.

the painful fact is that he participated and pushed for Gabril(Doctor)'s lynch.

[Mihail]

This is if we want to leave Matvei alone:

Nikifor - Forger - Forge Galina: ERASE the last will
Arkadi - Detainer - Block Tatyana
Mihail - Framer - Frame Tatyana as Detainer (she claimed Escort so framing as doc is fail!)
Yakov - Sapper -Kill Juri (non sapping)
Prokofi - Medic - Heal Yakov
Igor - Soldier - Kill Galina
Leonid - Spotter - Watch Matvei


Otherwise, although very risky if a lookout sits on Matvei, a plan to save Fyodor:

Nikifor - Forger - Forge Matvei: ERASE the last will
Arkadi - Detainer - Block Matvei
Mihail - Framer - Frame Tatyana as Detainer (she claimed Escort so framing as doc is fail!)
Yakov - Sapper -Kill Matvei (non sapping)
Prokofi - Medic - Heal Yakov
Igor - Soldier - Kill Juri
Leonid - Spotter - Watch Tatyana

[Prokofi]

how do you know that Matvei is the Jailor?

[Mihail]

I don't. This has been observed by Leo, Matvei is the prime jailor suspect. This is a gamble, do you think someone else is the jailor?

[Nikifor]

-forge Galina using the will posted above by Arkadi

[Prokofi]

Matvei pushed for Gabril's lynch.
high probability that vigilante will kill him.

[Arkadi]

My vote is for Option A.

[Nikifor]

-forge Galina using the will posted above by Arkadi
Nevermind forge Galina to erase all last will.

[Prokofi]

my vote i for option A(leave Matvei alone)

[Mihail]

So we are forsaking our general to his own devices? Dang, well he is Claw... Lets hope he can bullshit his way out of execution.

[Arkadi]

So we are forsaking our general to his own devices? Dang, well he is Claw... Lets hope he can bullshit his way out of execution.

He sent me a rep message saying not to sap him because he thinks he talked his way out. So I believe this is for the best.

[Yakov]

Oktoberfest! I could actually write my Death note in german. I forgot I AM GERMAN xD

[Mihail]

Alright guys...

We are framing Tatyana but... What if we should change this plan and frame Alexei instead? We still have time so discuss. Alexei is probably better to frame as was explained before, but that means blocking him... Which means Tatyana might block Igor.

[Mihail]

Alright... Sumi is being strange in chat... Darnit we know each other too well. I think she suspects i'm mafia and she's probably the jailor. Hiding anything from her will fail, if this is true she WILL execute Fyodor... She was testing my reaction with a strange question "anything exciting happen?", and I think I failed with my response.

Plan of attack? I said i'd feel bad about killing her but... If she's Nicholas and about to kill our General...

[Yakov]

Well we have 1 advantage this night over the others. We know who is jailed. So we shouldn't kill Alexei. Because we would normaly think he or Igor would be jailed.

Let's frame Alexei then. We could write in a death note "that we are taking your offer and your secret will be save with us." So we imply that we might found a evil neutral who we try to ally with. This could look like we try to defend our detainer tatyana. on wifom 3

Thoughts?

[Leonid]

I'm here now.

[Mihail]

To clarify to mods we do not directly talk about the game, her question was obscure but I can see the meaning behind it, lol

[Mihail]

Hi Leo, your thoughts will help now.

[Arkadi]

Alright guys...

We are framing Tatyana but... What if we should change this plan and frame Alexei instead? We still have time so discuss. Alexei is probably better to frame as was explained before, but that means blocking him... Which means Tatyana might block Igor.

Well from Tatyana's point of view Matvei would probably be her target to block a second night in a row after his actions during the day. So if you want to switch and do a job on Alexei I'm fine with that. I'm going to be mirroring whatever your decision is with my blocking so it's up to you which you way you want to take me. Tatyana will probably have the lookout on her tonight whereas Alexei will probably just have an investigator if they decided not to go after Matvei.

I don't know, the more I talk about it the more I want to frame + block Alexei. We definitely should not kill Tatyana though until we get our GF back or we're left with no other choice.

[Yakov]

LOL why is everyone forgetting the possibility of a disguiser in the german army? Frame Tatyana as disguiser and block her!

[Yakov]

Ohh the irony

[Arkadi]

Doctor/Medic/Serial Killer
Actress/Detainer
Nickolas/Veteran
Spy/Investigator/Stalin
Lookout/Spotter/Arsonist
Soldier/Proletariat/Gunsmith
Sapper/Armorsmith/Royal Guard
Forger/Journalist/Teacher
Peasant/Lenin/General
Propagandist/Anarchist/Disposer
Martyr/Infiltrator/Militia
Framer/Drunkard/Detective
Pagan/Driver

Um.... is it just me or is disguiser not listed in the investigative pairings. WTF?

[Mihail]

k, something is definitley up with Sumi...

I'm not going to force you guys to listen but, she is acting way too odd in chat. Now trying to cover up the meaning behind her question, lol I feel like directly asking her "ARE YOU GONNA EXECUTE MY GENERAL?!"

Yakov if Tatayana has lookout on her then both framer and detainer are caught. Too risky, when she dies they will see what she is and bang...

[Yakov]

the disguiser frame works on everyone who was on the spotlight yesterday. Alexei, Matvei together with a block and if we send our lookout at the same target we get some power roles to kill the next night.
Possible the lookout and forge his lw.

[Arkadi]

Yakov if Tatayana has lookout on her then both framer and detainer are caught. Too risky, when she dies they will see what she is and bang...

So does that mean you want you and I to change our actions towards Alexei?

and Yakov, look at the investigative pairings. There is no disguiser option. Plus as much as I want to do something to Matvei today, I think it would be safer if we just send our spotter. No need to for Matvei to take us down with him.

[Leonid]

We have to organize our thoughts better.

The following people followed by % chance they are not a citizen:
Galina(85%)
Dimtri(60%)
Alexei(85%)
Tatyana(95%)
Matvei(70%)
Sacha(70%)
Nikita(70%)
Moisey(70%)
Larisa(75%)

I'm fine with this.

I disagree with showing our sapper card early.
1) It will enable Jailor to reveal and lead town.
2) We can't threaten and control Anarchist anymore.

I don't think Dimitri or Tatyana is a safe block target. If you are caught, you will not have any excuses. Arkadi blocking obvious escort means Arkadi is obvious consort. Mihail tracking obvious consort means that Mihail cannot be a detective.

I am ambivalent on forging Galina. He might have implicating evidence in his last will. Arkadi's version do not sound not strong, serious and hard enough. And lack the word gulag. Improve on it or just wipe his last will. Galina is a good student though. Intelligent. Safe for forging.

Prokofi should be careful. The sapper might be watched. Beware. Medic has not business healing Igor.

[Leonid]

Disguiser is INFILTRATOR!!!

[Leonid]

Anyway. A lurking and passive Zack is scum. No wonder she suspects you.

[Yakov]

Sherriff, infiltrator and jester. Fits perfectly. Too bad it's not so viable.

[Nikifor]

So I hope that things are ok with my action. I am going to be away for a bit and try to hook up with a married friend of mine who I know wants it. Her husband plays WoW and neglects her.

[Leonid]

Zack the detective should not out himself early like in the previous FM. Basically never all power roles got wiped out.

[Mihail]

Not necessarily, I may lurk as an important power role too, to avoid getting killed until I have something to share.

Anyway I have a strong suspicion she is jailor because of that question she asked me soon after Fyodor was revealed to be jailed. This is probably an "out of game" source so questionable right? Even if we don't actually say the words, we can see between the lines since we've known each other for 3 years or so. What to do now ;;

[Yakov]

lets kill sumi and my target. 1 low target and 1 medium target. So Zack is less unbiased and our chances to get cought are getting smaller. We should lay a bit low anyway there is enough action going around even without our shemes already.

[Mihail]

She is so going to chainsaw me to death for this, lol... We could just pretend I never said anything and proceed with the existing plan, though with altering block and frame to Alexei.

If Fyodor is executed then kill her tommorow :[

[Yakov]

You know she can read the night chat when the game is over? Then kill her today and i can go happily boom on some douchebags and getting flamed all day long in deathchat! :D

[Leonid]

Lets try some mind reading. If I am:

Jailor: I jail Fyodor (known) because Fyodor is active but suspicious. Empty offhand tone. Tried to deflect attention from Igor. Buddy up with suspect Matvei, whom incidentally claim Igor is FalseTruth when Igor revealed. Fyodor seemed to know more that he let out...

Detective: I'm Kromos. So I will follow people I listed as scum. But I might need to follow Igor in case he is Disguiser. Decision...

Lookout: My good targets are active people and obvious town. Cult hunting is too difficult because they will get lurking people. Obvious town are Dimitri and Tatyana. Need to think about active people...

Bodyguard: Who else besides obvious town!

Escort: Matvei or Igor. Both can be disguisers. But Matvei must be stupid if is a disguiser? Decisions...

Investigator: Should I try Alexei or other active people? Hmm...

Doctor: I'm dead because my WIFOM failed...

Armorsmith: Tatyana! Maybe Dimitri?

Sheriff: Mostly random active people.

Gunsmith: Tatyana! Maybe Dimitri?

Cult: No idea.

Anarchist: Failed Night1. Need to redo reads...

[Mihail]

FYI I could be just being my paranoid self, I repped Fyodor to compare jailor chat and Jaroslav's posts. If he reps back with a match then I was right about her. Silly rep system, heh

[Yakov]

Maybe you killed him now if sumikoko knows that you are Zack ...

[Leonid]

Arkadi should stop repping us. His rep power is 1.

Lets use 0 rep power people as messengers.

[Leonid]

By the way, any idea on whom are FalseTruth and Elixir, the people with rep power of 4? Deathfire123 is Viktoria. The Leniner should be a town PR or fail cult.

[Yakov]

@Nick

Do you read this with German knowledge in mind or without? Looks a bit biased.

[Leonid]

Maybe I'm biased... not sure. Or I'm using wrong level of WIFOM.

[Mihail]

If by responding bad to her question I killed Fyodor then what can I do? Its her fault for asking it in the first place :[

Though, Sumi is an extremely cautious person. She probably won't execute and will believe Claw's bullshit, or give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Leonid]

Igor is literally confirmed as German if they believe that he is suicidaln00b. This clears Dimitri who starts the voting on Igor. Alexei unlikely to be with Igor. Matvei might be with Igor. Tatyana is not with Matvei.

[Leonid]

If by responding bad to her question I killed Fyodor then what can I do? Its her fault for asking it in the first place :[

Though, Sumi is an extremely cautious person. She probably won't execute and will believe Claw's bullshit, or give him the benefit of the doubt.

But her reads are very very good. I think...

[Nikifor]

I fear that my absence from mafia skype chat will go noticed. They will be able to find my COM id out that way.

[Leonid]

So lets us set Plan A as default and Plan B if Fyodor is going to die. Try to block Sumi.

[Leonid]

I fear that my absence from mafia skype chat will go noticed. They will be able to find my COM id out that way.

CmG and Zack are absent from M-FM. Unlike others. Too late about that. Suddenly being very active again is even more suspicious.

[Yakov]

If we block sumi and she is not what we think we give Zack out for sure. Because she knows Zack. Either we kill her or we let her all alone.

[Yakov]

I am only absent because my role requires it.

[Leonid]

If we block sumi and she is not what we think we give Zack out for sure. Because she knows Zack. Either we kill her or we let her all alone.
True. My bad.

[Yakov]

we are all biased. Damn it! :/

[Mihail]

No rep back from Fyodor yet. He's probably lying for his life right now, which means Sumi is buying his lies... I think. If she is even the jailor and its not me being paranoid. I would laugh so hard at myself if she's not the jailor, lol.

So long as there is no rep back from Fyodor we will go with altered plan A: Switch block and frame on to Alexei.

Oh my absence from M-FM has nothing to do with this, but I imagine it looks that way to her, lol...

[Leonid]

I don't think it is a good idea for Arkadi to block Tatyana. Arkadi, what is your say on this?

I will discuss about lookout targets once everyone has decided?

Regarding suicidaln00b, both times he revealed is because he thought that he won't be killed. As citizen. As sinner. Why would he reveal as mafia then? Non mafia-overlapping power role, real mafia or jester? I think this should be an unbiased comment!

[Leonid]

Oh my absence from M-FM has nothing to do with this, but I imagine it looks that way to her, lol...

At least you have starting lurking even before FM started. So it is good. Same with CmG.

[Arkadi]

I don't think it is a good idea for Arkadi to block Tatyana. Arkadi, what is your say on this?

I will discuss about lookout targets once everyone has decided?

Regarding suicidaln00b, both times he revealed is because he thought that he won't be killed. As citizen. As sinner. Why would he reveal as mafia then? Non mafia-overlapping power role, real mafia or jester? I think this should be an unbiased comment!

I'm pretty convinced to go after Alexei, as I'm sure any lookouts will be watching Tatyana carefully. I still think you should watch Matvei because there's no doubt that some investigative role will feel the urge to look into him tonight. If not Matvei then Tatyana for possible bodyguard/armorsmith types.

I'm going to go switch my order over to Alexei now in fact.

[Arkadi]

Oh and leave that metagame shit about Sumi out of here. If this is the first time I win as scum I don't want it to be because of a conversation on skype. If someone starts trying to talk to you about the game in session just say "I ain't saying shit" that's what I always do.

[Mihail]

Yeah I know its out of place. We didn't actually talk about the game at all, she just casually asked if something exciting happened... Then when I asked why she asked that she said it was about real life. So we didn't say anything, but the intent behind the question was understood even without an explanation. Hopefully this is really just me being paranoid, lol, therefore ignore all of this for now.

[Mihail]

Guys please remember to post your actions in the actions thread.

[Leonid]

Regarding Matvei, he is in deep trouble. If he is some important town PR, town PR that investigated Matvei will need to reveal to vouch for him. With his dodgy status, it is unlikely that he will receive any guns or vests. So I feel that lookout on him might not be that beneficial.

Regarding Tatyana, he is somewhat confirmed escort. Unlikely to be mafia because mafia will not reveal themselves to protect other town PR to get killed by cult, assuming no gambit of course. He even revealed his COM name. I see Ganondorf as a conservative player - thus not mafia. Ganondorf is likely to receive guns or vests, if the smiths are brave. If they think that sappers will be kept for better targets, town PR might even bodyguard and lookout him. So I think Tatyana is a good lookout target.

[Leonid]

Sometimes less is more. We will meet again soon ... We promise!

Is the death note correct or fail German? I hope that fail German is used.

Why give a gun to Juri?

We will meet again soon ... We promise! This phrase seemed risky to me.

[Yakov]

no its correct.

[Yakov]

but those translator mess it up anyway because of the tense

[Yakov]

Yeah i see, i ll fuck it up a little. sadface. The Kaiser is not proud of such behaviour!

[Leonid]

For reference:

I suppose the correct version is

Sometimes, less is more. You will see her again soon... We promise!

First version


Manchmal ist weniger, mehr. Wir werden uns bald wiedersehen... Versprochen!


Yahoo! Babel Fish (German to English)
Sometimes, more is less. We will soon see ourselves again… Promised!

Google Translate (German to English)
Sometimes less is more. We will meet again soon ... We promise!

Second version (messed up)


Manchmal, weniger ist mehr. Wir werden sie bald widersehen... Versprochen!

Yahoo! Babel Fish (German to English)
Sometimes, less is more. We become them soon against-see… Promised!

Google Translate (German to English)
Sometimes, less is more. We will soon see ... they resist We promise!
with correction to

Manchmal, weniger ist mehr. Wir werden sie bald wiedersehen... Versprochen!
which means
Sometimes, less is more. We will see her again soon ... We promise!

[Yakov]

Yeah it's now gibberish.

[Mihail]

Ok so we are decided. Unless Fyodor surprises us with some new instructions to save his life in rep that is, lol... Nothing so far btw.

[Leonid]

The Germans are sure crafty. Able to send messages out when they are jailed.

The jailor caught our boss in front of our hideout just when our boss went out for a smoke!

[Igor]

lol