Day III: Officer Krupke

[Forum Mafia GM]

The West Side of New York
Outside Doc's Store
8:34 PM

Officer Krupke was not pleased. All the kids had ruined the gym mambo and pretended like nothin' even happened. They were gonna pay fer this. He would make sure of it!

Officer Krupke sees some of the boys and rolls his car up to the curb.

Officer Krupke: Hey you!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq28qCklEHc


Meanwhile...

Mrs. Claridge loved to take long strolls at night. In hindsight, it was probably a bad habit, but she never could have known. Poor Mrs. Claridge...

Today was particularly special because of the full moon. The full moon had always been Mrs.Claridge's delight because of the beautiful illumination it provided. It only came once, so she decided to make the most of it.

She walked right past Doc's store and headed for the most breathtaking view in the city. Unfortunately, The Jets had other plans.

There was one dark alley. Just one, that no one should EVER step foot into. It was where Clyde had died. Once she stepped into it, she had sealed her fate.

A lone shot rang out through the night followed by a quick thud... Mrs. Claridge was never seen again...

The Next Day...
Basketball Court

Joe loved playing basketball. It was the best sport ever! Friday was obviously the best day to be playing basketball. Joe could almost make out a faint outline of Bob waiting for him in the distance, so he sped up his pace.

As he neared, his face slowly from one of happiness, to one of confusion, to one of pure horror.

What he thought was Bob was actually two lifeless bodies piled on top of each other.

McDaniels' lifeless body lay on top of Victoria's with both their arms sprawling to the side. It seemed the Sharks wanted their presence to be known to all of New York.

Joe screeched and ran to let the town know of the bad news.


Journalist Article:
Well, town, it seems there is a journalist in the power roles list. I won't announce who I am so that the journalist has something to go on if he needs to role claim. To prove I am the one this person interviews here's a little code: MVJC . If the journalist comes under pressure, role claims, and says I was his interviewee, I will answer the code provided. Be wary of Jimbo, he is not a citizen. I have a sneaking suspicion he's a neutral or a mafia member. Unfortunately, I have no real helpful information.

Last Wills:
Mrs. Claridge: Okay first of all WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS!?

http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/shared/characters/adults/mrs-claridge.jpg

This is not something I want describing my personality. So I decided to go with the good old default.

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0812/anime-demotivational-poster-1230575911.jpg

Anyways

I visited Cartman N1, as I have said
Jimbo and Bradley visited him

N2 I visited some guy and it doesn't matter since I died before I got results


McDaniels' Last Will:

Well then, I truly did not survive the night. Can I activate the double lynch from the grave? No? Oh well.

As you can see I am the enchantress, the real one. Hopefully it is not the janitor reading this, because I would be very sad.

On the first real night, aka, Night 2, I have lured Tweeky to my house. We played some mortal kombat and stuff. He didn't kill me, so he is most likely clean, but who knows. His action does not generate a message on his targets, if he even has one. I put anti-Wendy signs on my house that night, I don't think she tried to visit though.

Tonight i've invited Big Gay Al, but I fear he will not make it because he is probably in jail. Still the invitation was sent. I've decided to use an anti-Victoria spray tonight, so if someone killed me it can't be her.

Oh yes, I was also the mayor so here are my final guidelines: If the lovers are still alive and a mafia is dead by a vigi shot then proceed as planned and ally with the lovers. This is my dying wish so please respect it! Keep making use of Mr. Hat's switching of Kenny and have the vigi keep shooting her until he runs out of bullets. Big Gay Al can probably find out who Kenny's evil godfather is, so lynch that guy. Once Kenny is the last person in her mafia she will be going trigger-happy on Hat's mafia 'til they are all dead. Some lynches can make that go faster. Hat's godfather shall be the last one to bite the dust, resulting in a town+lover victory! Along with that bitter merchant who for some reason wants the lovers dead. Bad Wendy, play to your win condition, if it changes only then play to the new one.

Do I have more insight? No. Just that, if I was mafia myself this game, i'd be pretty upset. But hey, this is still an interesting concept!

Zack, signing off. I'm not scum this game, can you believe it? Can you? heh

And now for a theme related video, sort of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjdyk9BkhBI&feature=relmfu

Day will end at THIS TIME (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=7pm+PST+1%2F4%2F12)

You will require 16 votes to lynch.

[Randy]

Easily Claims first.

[Randy]

Stan is the Jets Consigliere. That is all.

[Gerald]

Oh, well, fuck.

Disguiser dun' disguised?

[Jimmy]

Stan is the Jets Consigliere. That is all.

You are obviously mistaken in your results. Do me a favour and rethink your stance.

[Big Gay Al]

-vote Sheila

I want the first night gun owner to shoot Butters.
The second owner to shoot Jason.


And dearest Ganondorf, do not fear, for I will find you. It's only a matter of time, my friend.

[Barbrady]

Move Along People, nothing to see here, only 3 dead bodies. So victoria was the disguiser... well at least she only took a citizen (i think that's what happened)

[Barbrady]

-vote Sheila

I want the first night gun owner to shoot Butters.
The second owner to shoot Jason.


And dearest Ganondorf, do not fear, for I will find you. It's only a matter of time, my friend.

And your reasons for voting shiela are?

[Big Gay Al]

I do believe Sheila to be the illustrious Jets' ventriloquist. My, how conniving you are beneath the surface, shrouded in full lurk mode. But, like you tried to read me during night 2, I spent a good long while reading all of you. I guess we'll find out who is better; One man to find 6 mafia, or 5 mafia to find one man?

[Butters]

-vote Sheila

I want the first night gun owner to shoot Butters.
The second owner to shoot Jason.


And dearest Ganondorf, do not fear, for I will find you. It's only a matter of time, my friend.

I would like for you to explain this, and I'd also like for Randy to explain why you think Stan is the consigliere, because I might have some interesting information.

[Jimmy]

I do believe Sheila to be the illustrious Jets' ventriloquist. My, how conniving you are beneath the surface, shrouded in full lurk mode. But, like you tried to read me during night 2, I spent a good long while reading all of you. I guess we'll find out who is better; One man to find 6 mafia, or 5 mafia to find one man?

Please explain your thoughts further.

[Big Gay Al]

I would like for you to explain this, and I'd also like for Randy to explain why you think Stan is the consigliere, because I might have some interesting information.

Lol I honestly did not expect people to start voting me, but it's okay. Because if a sheriff invests me night 1 I'll say it was on obvious frame job. And then I'll hint that I did a subtle roleclaim day 1 with my Inspector [Jets 1] reference. Which I suspect is why some people have been voting me.

Well hi guys! I would nominate someone, but I don't want to get grounded.

Don't worry though everyone, Inspector Butters is on the case!
Sound familiar Butters?
Or should I say, Jets' Consigliere?

[Jimmy]

So we have two people claiming two people are the same role.

[Butters]

Sound familiar Butters?
Or should I say, Jets' Consigliere?

No? Lol. Is that supposed to be from a mafia chat or something? Considering that the mafias know their lovers exist, and can relay copy and pasted notes, I don't really think that's a strong argument against me.

[Big Gay Al]

Alright, folks.

Allow me to explain the situation.

Within my head and in the head of a faithful companion lie the names of six mafia, whose identities have been scavenged from the censored night chats of both the Jets and the Sharks. I have spent the past 18 hours gutting both of them for every clue, every reference I could find. Three of them were obvious, Butters because they spoke heavily about me hounding one of them over being elected due to paranoia that the mafia was buddying him(Butters), the second due to huge periods of inactivity as well as whether or not he was seriously going away for a few days(Jason), and Victoria, who was complaining about being checked by Stephen and was desperate to escape a double lynch to the point that somehow they managed to intimidate Dust into saying not to double lynch yesterday.

The other three are in more of a "gray" area, but Sheila fits the ventriloquist best. I wish the gunshots to go towards the confirmed mafia, as they require no deliberation. Since Ganondorf is no longer around as Victoria, I will have to find him again, so that leaves only two.

We will lynch the red GF for the moment while I tie up a few loose ends on the remaining Jets Drug Dealer(Hello, TheWaaaagh, care to play a game?)

[Butters]

So wait, they spoke heavily about you hounding one of them, and your conclusion is that they were referring to me and not Tweak? You said like two words to me on Day 1, but you flat out accused Tweak of lying about his role.

[Big Gay Al]

Here is the line-up:
Sharks:
Consorts (2x)(GF is here)
Disguiser
Consigliere (dead)
Kidnapper (Mr. Hat)

Jets:
Ventriloquist (GF)
Lawyer (Kenny)
Drug Dealer (2x) (1 dead)
Consigliere

That is the setup, just so you know.

[Big Gay Al]

So wait, they spoke heavily about you hounding one of them, and your conclusion is that they were referring to me and not Tweak? You said like two words to me on Day 1, but you flat out accused Tweak of lying about his role.

Also, I REALLY think we should consider having [Jets 1] drop out. Al is pushing for him to be checked. If he comes back Mafia, even with the "I was framed" defense, Al will push for a lynch because he's paranoid (one of the reason I think he's a Shark / some type of scum). Al is NOT going to allow [Jets 1] to get away with being Mayor. While he's around, none of us should be in a town position of power. Al is claiming Mafia buddying when literally NONE of us have voted for [Jets 1]; that seems to speak for itself. He is convinced, and a check coming back to confirm it will only lead to problems for us.

Butters, however, is not a good nominee for one of two reasons:

He is mafia and his 'I don't want to be mayor but now I do' spiel was an act
He is easily manipulated

Either way I don't want to see him as a candidate period.

Also, I strongly urge you to drop this candidacy wagon on Butters, as if you look back at the origins you'll see a high possibility of mafia buddying(and it probably started as a joke, reinforced by mafia)

Answering #1- That depends on the mafia's priority at this point I guess. I would have to ask myself 'Business as usual or trying to win the cheap way by stamping out the other mafia?' and I really don't have answer at this point. But why a mafia would wish to be elected is pretty obvious. You're increasing your vote pool by 125%, as well as giving you the ability to make a scum move in the later game by lynching two town simultaneously when the lynch threshold hits 9(i.e. about 50% of the players are dead)

Answering #2- Did you plan on running for mayor before day started?
Two words huh?
Do continue, I love to watch you squirm.

[Tweek Tweak]

I had fun last night :|

[Big Gay Al]

I believe I found the last remaining Jet. Just had to do a bit more double-checking, which, conveniently was on the way to digging Butters a bigger hole.

Vigilante, show Kyle the muzzle of your barrel, please.

[Butters]

Two words huh?
Do continue, I love to watch you squirm.

Lol I'm not squirming, though to be honest I didn't take your criticisms to heart, so I guess I only remembered a few words. Either way, if Sheila's the godfather, why did I submit she could be a possible smurf on day 1? That does not make sense.

[Wendy Testaburger]

so we're suppose to rely on your deduction skills of who is who because you were only able to be given the names in your meeting with kenny and mr hat?

im just curious, but if you want us to follow through you're going to need to prove to us you know who people are other than those names. to start off say who i am and if your right then you have my vote. otherwise i think stan is the best option.

[Big Gay Al]

Lol I'm not squirming, though to be honest I didn't take your criticisms to heart, so I guess I only remembered a few words. Either way, if Sheila's the godfather, why did I submit she could be a possible smurf on day 1? That does not make sense.
So your defense now is that, Sheila can't be godfather because you said they were a smurf day 1, thus confirming that you are a Jet. Thank you for your cooperation, sir.

Sheila is still godfather, though.

[Randy]

Stan is the Jets Consigliere. That is all.

Guys, this.

[Big Gay Al]

so we're suppose to rely on your deduction skills of who is who because you were only able to be given the names in your meeting with kenny and mr hat?

im just curious, but if you want us to follow through you're going to need to prove to us you know who people are other than those names. to start off say who i am and if your right then you have my vote. otherwise i think stan is the best option.
Umm, so in order to prove to you that I can deduce 6 people from highly personal night chats designed specifically to vent and discuss specific events pertaining to them along with the help of someone who has just as much as experience as I do, you want me to do what, exactly? Tell you your COM identity?

[Butters]

So your defense now is that, Sheila can't be godfather because you said they were a smurf day 1, thus confirming that you are a Jet. Thank you for your cooperation, sir.

Sheila is still godfather, though.

No, my defense is that I'm not a jet because the person you believe to be my godfather is someone I believed to be a smurf on day 1. You dig?

And while we're discussing this, why don't you post the day chats for us all to see? I'm not accusing you of doctoring them, but it would make more sense if everyone could see and help deduce identities rather than just you and one other person. It's not like the mafias can retroactively take back what was said, so unless you were forbidden by the Game Master, I see no reason not to.

[Jimmy]

Umm, so in order to prove to you that I can deduce 6 people from highly personal night chats designed specifically to vent and discuss specific events pertaining to them along with the help of someone who has just as much as experience as I do, you want me to do what, exactly? Tell you your COM identity?

These chats also had full knowledge of the lovers role. Knowing a spy is in the chat would drastically change its results. This current situation was obviously going to occur.

[Wendy Testaburger]

Umm, so in order to prove to you that I can deduce 6 people from highly personal night chats designed specifically to vent and discuss specific events pertaining to them along with the help of someone who has just as much as experience as I do, you want me to do what, exactly? Tell you your COM identity?

so you're just taking copied posts from their night chat and analyzing them with posts from day chat. you dont even have any com names? mafia played horribly if they talked like that in night chat. gg i guess its been fun. pick who you want me to vote for.


These chats also had full knowledge of the lovers role. Knowing a spy is in the chat would drastically change its results. This current situation was obviously going to occur.

it was my first thought too, but why would the lovers give al this information if they knew it was false? you forgot that part.

[Jimmy]

I am not suggesting the information is false, but the way people talk.. furthermore seeding incorrect information into their posts. I doubt the lovers went through all that info and said this post is fake.. this part is true.. that would take too much time.

[Wendy Testaburger]

i assumed they would say heres was our consig said on this day try REALLY hard to find who he is by reading it..."so i says to the broad im inspector chaos lololololol" "Oh so that is Butters, Next up we need a post made by the godfather that strongly hints at his/her identity."

that would of been a better approach to the whole thing.

[Big Gay Al]

Why Jason Is A Shark's Consort:


Hey [Sharks 3], are you really leaving for a few days or are you just going into lurk mode? What do you think of everything?

I'll also be gone for a few days. Later.

So FalseTruth, do we get any compensation if [Sharks 3] is modkilled?

sorry guys I'm late.
ok so what are we talking about now? What do I have to do inorder not to get mod-pwned?
who should I block? Any ideas on who the jets are?


Vote in the election

it's night how am I supposed to vote?
oh nvm
whew disaster has been averted
You'll note that Jason is the last person to vote, an entire day after the person who voted before them.

[Towelie]

Can't you just post the entire mafia night chats?

[Big Gay Al]

I am not suggesting the information is false, but the way people talk.. furthermore seeding incorrect information into their posts. I doubt the lovers went through all that info and said this post is fake.. this part is true.. that would take too much time.
Look, man.

I'm gonna try and explain to you how the basic gist of the mafia chats went when it came to the lover's concept.

IF ANYONE tried to twist information or hold things back, they were promptly accused of being a lover. That whole concept died quickly.

The most secretive players were of course the GFs, but the problem is, you can only remain off the radar so long before being off the radar begins to raise suspicion on it's own.

The gun kills I have suggested are to a certainty high enough that the mafia will be completely crippled by it. It will buy us time and the ability to find the disguiser and put an end to this game.

Gonna just have to trust me on this one.

[Big Gay Al]

Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'll give you some time to look back on the people I've accused and draw your own conclusions.
Just to re-emphasis though:
The person who received N1 gun should shoot Butters.
The person who received N2 gun should shoot Jason
The Vigilante should shoot Kyle.

Sheila should be our lynch today(though we should wait a bit, I need to question a few people and do some investigation traffic).

Good night.

[Butters]

Alright, Big Gay Al, I was going to wait to share this information later, but I guess I have no choice but to do it now: I am a Vigilante. Your analysis was incorrect, and to prove it I have sent a PM to day shoot Randy.

Think about that while you rest, and maybe you should share with us all of your night chats, instead of just what you think is important.

[Wendy Testaburger]

What the fuck? Why would you shoot a lookout?

[Kenny]

Because I cannot subjectively vote else I get modkilled, I will state right now that I will vote for the first person to accumulate 10 votes. That way, I am not showing particular voting habits. If the wagon is broken and falls under 10 votes, I will then retract my vote and give it to the next person to reach 10. Therefore, do not expect me to withhold a vote even if it's on a town member. I'm afraid a method along these lines is the only way to avoid bias. I sincerely hope town will exercise their best judgments. With that said...

Good night all. Sumi is very grateful for the town and its patronage. :)

[Butters]

Oh, Randy's a lookout? My bad I thought Mrs. Claridge was the only lookout. I'm not going to shoot him, I'm going to shoot Big Gay Al, who I believe is in one of the mafias. It makes sense that he's not giving us all of the information because he's trying to step ahead of the lovers reveal (notice how they're not on yet). I'm not buying it though.

[Forum Mafia GM]

A shot rang out through the crowd! Someone was shot, and his body was quickly dragged out of the area.

Name and role will be reveal upon Day End.

[Jimmy]

EVERYONE PANIC

[Wendy Testaburger]

randy say something so i know it wasnt you i swear butters if you were that retarded id kill you myself.

[Jimmy]

Professor Chaos is a Hero.

[Barbrady]

Oh, Randy's a lookout? My bad I thought Mrs. Claridge was the only lookout. I'm not going to shoot him, I'm going to shoot Big Gay Al, who I believe is in one of the mafias. It makes sense that he's not giving us all of the information because he's trying to step ahead of the lovers reveal (notice how they're not on yet). I'm not buying it though.

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http://xbradtc.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/facepalm.jpg

[Tweek Tweak]

BUTTERS, ARE YOU INSANE?!

[Jimmy]

Everyone Relax. Chaos knows exactly what he is doing.

[Barbrady]

-vote Butters for LVP

[Tweek Tweak]

Why would you shoot him (Al or Randy) in the first hour of the day before he can even respond??

[Gary]

Well, if not completely stupid, that was certainly ballsy as hell.

Butters, I really hope you didn't shoot Big Gay Al.

[Jimmy]

Why would you shoot him (Al or Randy) in the first hour of the day before he can even respond??

It was a cleverly orchestrated plan that we have been planning for over a day.

[Wendy Testaburger]

out of all the people you could of shot you chose the worst two people. big gay al and randy were about 80% confirmed. the only possible way they werent fully confirmed would be if both mafias used the lovers to chat with each other and form a strategy that involved almost everyone dying, but keeping both KPNs up and wearing down the town two by two until the very end when they sacrifice a lover and merge mafias with one hidden mafia to rule them all. its a plan with so many flaws that even as i type it out to you i see its illogicality.

why not shoot someone like i dont know stan since we have a read on him as invest/consig and has been acting extremely scummy all game. or maybe barbrady who had a chance to be a godfather since we saw him as a citizen. you pulled this day shot in the worst possible way imaginable the only worse thing would have been to suicide to prove you were vigilante...actually that sounds like a better plan.

[Towelie]

Not revealing who is shot? Are you freakin kidding me?

[Wendy Testaburger]

i suppose big gay al had a probable chance at being ventriloquist using kenny(his smurf) and mafia friend Mr. hat in some big elaborate plan.

if a lookout visits a smurf does it show who targeted the smurf?
can mafia target their own smurf?

[Tweek Tweak]

It was a cleverly orchestrated plan that we have been planning for over a day.

Your plan to kill Randy, oh wait he's the lookout, kill Al instead?

[Forum Mafia GM]

i suppose big gay al had a probable chance at being ventriloquist using kenny(his smurf) and mafia friend Mr. hat in some big elaborate plan.

if a lookout visits a smurf does it show who targeted the smurf?
can mafia target their own smurf?

Yes
Yes

[Jimmy]

Your plan to kill Randy, oh wait he's the lookout, kill Al instead?

The responses to the event are very important. The nature of the reveal is critical for information.

[Wendy Testaburger]

if a prostitute forces a mafia to visit him does it matter if that mafia was sent to do the killing?
if the above question is true then could 1 mafia kill 2 people without using a disguiser?
if a mafia is jailed and both of the above are true does the jailed mafia kill the prostitute?

[Tweek Tweak]

Now both the mayor and pardoner are dead :(

I'm glad I didn't get the job.

[Barbrady]

Well butters I hope your happy with what you did, you picked the single worst target for the town to shoot, the mafia is probably jizzing in their pants right now. Now in the future please shoot who the town confrims as a target for being a vigilante

[Forum Mafia GM]

if a prostitute forces a mafia to visit him does it matter if that mafia was sent to do the killing?
if the above question is true then could 1 mafia kill 2 people without using a disguiser?
if a mafia is jailed and both of the above are true does the jailed mafia kill the prostitute?
Yes, whatever night action that mafia would be designated to do would have occurred. Second question is redundant. If a mafia is jailed, and is lured, nothing will affect the prostitute.

[Wendy Testaburger]

i'll phrase it better.

if mafia X was chosen to attack town Y and the prostitute lured Mafia Z to him then would Mafia Z and Mafia X both perform kills?

[Forum Mafia GM]

i'll phrase it better.

if mafia X was chosen to attack town Y and the prostitute lured Mafia Z to him then would Mafia Z and Mafia X both perform kills?
No. Mafia Z's night action would be used on the prostitute.

[Gerald]

I'm glad we didn't elect butters not. I think BGA got shot due to his lack of posts now.


Butters....

You fucking moron.

[Butters]

You can all hate me all you want, but once you see what I did and why, I'll go from LVP to MVP. I can lead you all to the water, but I can't make you drink it.

I'm going to bed now, so good luck in the meantime.

[Gary]

Who is the architect then, Butters, and why didn't they counterclaim?

[Wendy Testaburger]

Yeah I really don't think it's possible with the information we possess to say that Big Gay Al, Kenny, or Mr. Hat are lying.

They could all be Mafia, but the second we realized it then they would all be real mafia people.

What if Big Gay Al targeted McDaniels on purpose and Victoria(The Disguiser) also tried to target McDaniels. Victoria wasn't trying to use her ability, but only break the heal that happened in case there was one. That strategy works all the time in SC2 mafia IF there is no clean up and the person hasn't role claimed yet. What would the chances be that Mcdaniels actually lured the person who was already attacking him and repelled the extra attacker on to someone random? The disguiser then would of used her ability early onto someone she didn't want.

It seems too perfect that Big Gay al the person who claimed Architect wouldn't have been called out by the real architect yet, but the Architect is the opposite of the Ventriloquist in terms of investigation reports. Kenny seems like a good smurf choice because of the random change in demeanor from the first few posts to the most recent few. Mr. Hand would also have to be in on it and he can't be disguiser because he targeted Kenny N1.

I'm just confusing myself more and more so I'll stop for now.

[Wendy Testaburger]

isn't it a little odd that butters had a huge influence on the day and the day was named Officer Krupke? The attack may have been premeditated as Jimmy and Butters insist, but regardless shooting Randy was a horrible idea.

[Philip]

you are all going to be pissed at me after this game

[Mr. Hat]

you are all going to be pissed at me after this game
If you are implying what I think you're implying....

[Mr. Hat]

Well first off, thank you vigilante for not shooting Kenny. I was role-blocked last night. My own team's consort decided that they could have a "work romance" with me. I only hope Kenny likes three-ways.

[Mr. Hat]

And so whoever shot Big Gay Al, you are an idiot. I WAS in coffee chat and all the information that he had to go off of to find the mafia is correct. I cannot say whether his deductions are correct, however.

[Mr. Hat]

Everyone, ignore Jimmy. He's waiting for someone to kill him.

[Bebe]

is Jimmy a masochist?

[Wendy Testaburger]

mr. hat you're safe from being consorted. randy is the lookout and I sent him a rep to tell him to watch over you. if the consort tries to block you again we'll get his name.

the only thing I ask is that I get healed then because Randy was watching over me last night to make sure no one attacked me. i am basically an investigator so saving me is smart.

[Sharon]

So, 4 townspeople just died? Well, that's not too good, is it? I have a strong feeling Butters is going to be grounded for being a bad boy. But alas, Butters poor shooting skills are less important than scumhunting to find the disguiser.

[Mr. Hat]

The disguiser is not the sharpest tool in the shed
He killed a citizen lurker who was half-dead
To find him you just have to use your head

[Bebe]

When the disguiser kills, will his role show up as : a disguiser or the role he killed?(assuming he wasn't cleaned)

[Bebe]

The disguiser is not the sharpest tool in the shed
He killed a citizen lurker who was half-dead
To find him you just have to use your head

I'm guessing Jason on this one

[Mr. Hat]

That is my only clue that I could give you to find the disguiser. Any guess you give me...well, I can neither confirm nor deny them.

[Jimbo]

Vote Stan

Ive got reason to believe what Randys sayin. Has somethin to do with a rep message I got yesterday. Thought I was gonna get disguised for it but glad I didnt.

[Jimbo]

The disguiser is not the sharpest tool in the shed
He killed a citizen lurker who was half-dead
To find him you just have to use your head
Tweeks? Would say that he was half dead cause he gave his role day 1 and couldnt use it anymore. Oh bugger I guessed it now everyone with half a brain knows my real identity.

[Jimbo]

Well he wasnt lurkin. Im thinkin it might be Towelie or Bebe then. Someone who got replaced instead of modkilled.

[Token]

wow niggers.

You should have listened to me, always. Who told you Victoria was disguiser? What did I say to you yesterday, Zack's corpse? You idiots.

Butters, if you really shot gay al, or Randy, who is really the lookout, town probably doesn't have power roles left. Not only did Wendy claim for Randy for no reason, but we also have a power role shot. A confirmed one at that.

[Jimbo]

Yeah Philie I agree. When I saw McScummiels refuse to double lynch, my scum sensors went all haywire. And Butters I thought was a coroner or somethin from his nomination app. Why would a vigi run for mayor? Thats crap.

[Big Gay Al]

Still alive. I think Butters might have been shot, not me.

[Jimbo]

He talked after the shot so Randy probably ate dust. Dumb move Butterboy.

[Jimbo]

He mustve sent a shoot action to kill Randy first and then a second one to kill you instead. FalseTruth dont think it makes sense to redirect a bullet in midflight so it hit his first target.

[Jimbo]

Butterboy if yer town you should confirm who you killed. We wanna know whats up.

[Big Gay Al]

Is there any chance a gun might have fallen into the wrong hands, I wonder?

[Jimbo]

Nah Butterboy is just an idiot. That or Mr Hat is pullin some insane stunt and he had somethin to do with this shit.

[Big Gay Al]

Something doesn't add up in this day thread.

Randy, a supposed lookout, accuses Stan of being consig. The only possible explanation is that he was sold that information, yet with an investigator still in the wind why would he immediately jump to consig?

Then we have Butters, who supposedly claims Vigilante, decides to shoot
A) Someone who is basically defending himself by claiming that someone else is the consig
B) A more-or-less confirmed Architect from yesterday.

Instead of Stan...

[Chef]

good morning everyone

i knew there was a reason i didnt like stan

vote Stan

[Token]

yeah False nice mechanics we're having this time around. what if we decided to lynch the dude who was shot?:P

[Big Gay Al]

Wendy, who did you sell information to last night?

[Wendy Testaburger]

so because randy got shot and not big gay al ill just let everyone know that the town didnt lose a power role. we got lucky and only lost a merchant. i was the lookout and he was the merchant. i made the entire ploy up so i could watch randy in hopes the mafia thought he was watching me. he went along with it or didnt even know i did it because he's been so inactive. he sold me the info about barbrady being cit/gf and stan being invest/consig. if it were me i probably wouldnt have said what stan was yet only because he could have been playing like me and just acting scummy to avoid death by mafia.

everything ive said has been true all you have to do is swap my name with randy and you figure out the rest.

[Big Gay Al]

Did False tell you who shot Randy by chance? Cuz he fucking should, considering the authenticity of the cycles and all.

[Big Gay Al]

so because randy got shot and not big gay al ill just let everyone know that the town didnt lose a power role. we got lucky and only lost a merchant. i was the lookout and he was the merchant. i made the entire ploy up so i could watch randy in hopes the mafia thought he was watching me. he went along with it or didnt even know i did it because he's been so inactive. he sold me the info about barbrady being cit/gf and stan being invest/consig. if it were me i probably wouldnt have said what stan was yet only because he could have been playing like me and just acting scummy to avoid death by mafia.

everything ive said has been true all you have to do is swap my name with randy and you figure out the rest.
Ok.
Why did Randy sell you info in the first place?
Why would a lookout watch an unrevealed merchant?
Why would a lookout watch a neutral instead of, I dunno, the mayor.

[Wendy Testaburger]

i know as much as you do. butters said he was going to shoot him. as far as i know only vigilantes can shoot during the day not gunsmith gun holders.

for clarity's sake no one visited randy last night.

big gay al prove to me that this statement isn't true: kenny is the smurf, you are the ventriloquist(lover), and Mr. Hat is the opposite mafia Kidnapper(Lover)

i cant figure out a reason that proves this theory impossible. the architect is just gathering clues and blending in to take down the mafia from within. sort of like a spy investigating making it seem like hes celebrating when actually hes infiltrating every single ploy.

Why did Randy sell you info in the first place?
dont know

Why would a lookout watch an unrevealed merchant?
i watched kenny n1 and i knew he was merchant by n2 because of the post where he quoted me and voted barbrady

Why would a lookout watch a neutral instead of, I dunno, the mayor.
there was another more obvious lookout that i didnt think would die in addition to healers and bodyguards. i also had no way of knowing mcdaniels was town. i knew randy was basically an investigator which made me basically an investigator and my entire trick was trying to make the mafia attack randy and i wanted to watch him to catch them.

[Token]

I'm back to the theory of Wendy being Claw.

[Wendy Testaburger]

why do you think im claw

[Jimbo]

If both Godfathers die and at least one other player from each mafia team dies, then both mafia teams will combine to form one team. Lovers will turn into Mafia. KPN is reduced.
With 2 mobsters dead already maybe the gangs are aiming for this after them annoyin town PRs is out of the way? That way all the mafias win. Just guessin.

[Token]

Because you're trying very hard to see things more complicated than they are, also gambits that don't make sense, also Lookout claim that doesn't make sense - you're a cit and not fooling anyone.

[Token]

Or maybe I don't think you're cit and just protecting you. Or maybe I'm saying this now because i really think you're cit. Wiception.

[Jimbo]

What Im thinkin is that some fake lovers rose up cause the real one was rebellin. Everythings pointin to that right now. And yeah stfu wendy cit.

[Wendy Testaburger]

the architect would have spoken up by now if there was any chance big gay al was lying, but something doesnt add up.

if big gay al got all the information about the night chats he would be posting it all instead of tiptoeing around the subject. we are getting all of our information from someone who said a vigilante was mafia forcing the vigilante to kill an investigator to prove himself(regardless of how stupid that may have been). kenny has been acting different between day 1 and day 2. i look around and read posts and the only insightful people are token and shelley and everyone else is having a giant circlejerk around what big gay al is saying so i cant figure out if everyone is just smarter than us or if they are just sheep.

saying im a cit does nothing but make a stupid doctor or bodyguard say "oh boy hes protected by wifom now" while the mafia think "we'll take our chances on their being 3 lookouts and just kill him"

im pretty proven to be a lookout and the mafia know it already.

[Big Gay Al]

Here's the first part of the Jets night one talk. Still not done. They talked a LOT more than the Sharks.

FYI Jets 3 is Clyde
[Jets 1]
Hey, if it's cool with everyone I'd like to be the Consigliere. I don't think I could pull off the epic levels of bs that a lawyer or ventriloquist would require. And the drug dealer doesn't really interest me as much. Does any one object?

Kenny
I don't particularly have that much faith in my scum skills.
I'll let the Godfather pick based on what he thinks. Or if we have a pro player here.

[Jets 2]
When you're a Jet, you're a jet all the way, from your first cigarette, to your last dying day.
Love West Side Story.

[NAME SPOILERS]

I might wanna be the Lawyer, but I may not be able to pull that off...

Maybe GF SHOULD pick after all...

GF
n, out, let's get crackin'

In regards to role choice, it's not going to matter terribly what you think you're good at as we will be coordinating and discussing our actions together anyhow. What I propose is that you choose roles based on which investigation pairing you think you can pull off.

For example, the relevant pairings for us are:

-Architect/Ventriloquist
-Investigator/Consigliere
- The drug dealer and Lawyer appear to be missing from the investigation list?

I will write more on that once we're told what the other pairings are.

The point is, the other players will KNOW that some roles are present for balance, aka the consig. Other roles they will most likely quickly suspect, aka the drug dealers. Ventriloquist, and lawyer are also semi-confirmed.

Therefore, whoever chooses consig should try and play from an investigator's perspective. The drug dealers should try and play from the perspective of their investigation pairing. The ventriloquist is one of the toughest ones, because his only pairing is the architect and if called out, you'll probably find it extremely difficult to convince anybody you're an architect.

Therefore, my suggestions are:

- An experienced, active player who likes to be very involved in day discussion should choose consig
- Somebody who likes to float under the radar and posts less than average should choose ventriloquist OR somebody who thinks they could really put this role to good use and has some good ideas
- The two least experienced players should choose the drug dealers OR whoever didn't get the other roles
- Not sure about lawyer yet. Will have to wait for the updated investigation pairings.

I think this will work. We have some powerful roles here.

I am happy to allocate if you can't decide.

Good luck team!

What are your forum names?

[Jets 2]
I guess I'll be a drug dealer then. Actually kinda interesting, can change the game if the message gets played right.

Kenny
I think I need some clarifications on exactly what Drug Dealer does.
I was under the impression that he merely goes "-drug BLANKITYBLANKBLANK" and False does his random.org magic and pops out a random visiting notification to BLANKITYBLANKBLANK.

[Jets 2]
that actually IS exactly what DD does.

funfunfun.

[Jets 2]
Our objective should probably be to find Maria ASAP. Then we win

Do we perform actions after picking roles, or do we nothing tonight?

Kenny'
[GF's forum account], since you're the GF, are you leaning toward any role you want for yourself?
You should probably get first picks.

GF
I will probably take the Ventriloquist, but I won't decide for sure til we find out the missing identities in our gang and the missing investigation pairings.

[Jets 3]
I wouldn't mind being Consig (due to SC2 mafia experience), Drug Dealer (sounds interesting), or Ventriloquist (also sounds interesting), personally.

Also, [FM account not in mafia] is online, but not invisible. Since that's a South Park character, I'm assuming he's involved in forum mafia. Since he's online during night chat, he might be someone to keep an eye on.

[Jets 2]
lol its 3 AM.

My first choice is Lawyer.
Second choice is Drug Dealer.
I will let [GF's forum account] decide.


Kenny
nless Yayap is on our team, (because from what I hear, he's a master at stalking mechanics) I'd be extremely wary about playing as Ventriloquist. If possible, someone whose time is really flexible and has two computers that can access the internet at the same time should play as Vent.
I'm still unsure which role I want, since it's literally my first time playing as scum, lol. For the record, I do have fairly terrible luck.

Ventriloquist seems really fun to play, but requires what seems to be an unreal amount of work. I'm a senior in high school and college apps are due soon. I can easily afford the time AFTER I turn in my application, but that won't be till a week later.
Drug Dealer seems the easiest, but considering my terrible luck, watch me send a block notification to someone who killed that night and succeeded lol. And then have a lookout follow that person too. -gets lynched the next day-
Lawyer and Consigliere is just meh.
Lol. Y NO EASY SCUM ROLES FOR SUMI TO PLAY??

[Jets 1]
Yo, I'm [Jets 1 forum account]. I'll probably end up talking a lot during the day chat so playing an investigator shouldn't be too hard, so yeah I'd still like to be the consig if that's up for grabs. I wonder why [FM account not in mafia] would turn his invisibility off? That doesn't seem very... mafia like.
.

Kenny
So for the Lawyer. If you changed their last will, I'm assuming you can 1. do this even if they're not killed that night and 2. not notify the victim that their last will has been changed. So what if the person submits a new last will after we've forged one? Do WE get notified they changed it again?

LOL Okay just have to share this with you guys.
You know that ad bar right on the top-ish part of the forum?
Well it just changed to an ad for the New York JETS. Ironic, isn't it?

[Jets 1]
Well, I just went back and checked over the rules and don't see it mentioned here so I'm a ask it now:

Does the Lawyer's action count as him visiting a person for the purposes of bus driving, witching, lookout, detective, etc.?

[Jets 2]
I do have two comps, but the worst schedule of all of you, I'm really busy all the time.
I should definitely not be Vent or Consig, cause they must be active. I can forge shit pretty well, (doesn't look fake) but I'm not sure it would be the best at throwing the game into confusion, which an experienced player could do with this.

-choose Drug Dealer

[Big Gay Al]

Here's the rest of the Jets night 1 chat
[Jets 1]
Alright well if we're just taking stuff:

-choose Consigliere

GF
[Jets 3], I'm going to assume from this quote that it's your first time playing forum mafia. There's no need to keep your identity secret. Nobody here's going to be looking down on the first timers. It would just be nice to know who's on our team. We have to work together 100% for any chance of winning this, and the first step in that has got to be trust.

Now, who are you?

I agree that this could be useful information, well done . However, it doesn't make me think mafia.

Somebody who is deliberately turning off invisibility and actively appearing during the mafia-only night screams citizen/ or neutral to me -
- think ghost looking to die
- or citizen trying to draw attention

[Jets 1]
Well if they're not in any of the open threads they could be trying to hide in plain sight. I remember last game I noticed McPwnage had invisibility off and wasn't reading any of the open threads. And it turned out he was Jesus, so you never know.

Kenny
I'm honestly not sure how much I want to trust that anymore. Claw was practically always doing that, which made me really suspicious of him, but he only turned out to be commoner jerking our chains.

It'll be much harder trying to stalk people now though, since turning invisibility OFF isn't as likely as people bothering turning it ON.
Any pro stalkers or mechanic abuse stalker catcher whateveryouwannacallthem-ers?

GF
I agree, it could just be another layer of WIFOM, but I don't think it should lean us toward mafia just yet.

In terms of a potential role list, we have this:

[Jets 2]: Drug dealer
[Jets 1]: Consig. ([Jets 3], I am only choosing [Jets 1] because he's an experienced player and I suspect consig is going to require a lot of delicacy to play this game. It is also probably, our most important role. You may turn out to be the best player on the team, but for now I'm simply going to choose the more experienced forum mafia player as there's little else to distinguish on.)
[GF]: I'm going to take Ventriloquist

That leaves one more Drug dealer and a Lawyer for [Jets 3] and Kenny to pick between.

Kenny
Ah. In that case, I do believe I'm leaning slightly toward a Lawyer then. (Still, depending on what role corresponds to this role. Lookout or something I hope.)
Forging other people's behavior isn't too terribly hard for me.
Especially since, assuming no one in town is going to reveal their real names, everyone's roleplay starts now, whether they choose to take on a new persona or keep their old one, no one can really tell (unless it's something dead obvious, like apparently Jack's, I quote, "unbridled arrogance" that gave him away? I dunno. Do we have any super seasoned players well in touch with the others in here?). Going through a few posts shouldn't be too terribly hard. And the dead can't complain about their last will being different, kufufufufufu... -evil Sumi laugh-

GF
In terms of night abilities we have:

2 + 1 confusing roles; ie they confuse our enemies

1 investigative role; probably the most important role as it's one of our best bets at catching enemy mafias

1 inactive role; the ventriloquist

My suggestions are:

Killing: The ventriloquist should perform all kills from Night 3 on. However, the lawyer should perform the kill Night 2 as there will be nothing to gain from changing anybody's will that night. This could be useful on the off chance that an Escort or a Detective gets lucky night 2 and will help foil them if they repeat the same target Night 3. Players tend to like to confirm a positive finding by repeating the action the subsequent night. If they get a different result, they may be confused.

If we use the consig to discover power roles, good or evil, we can the subsequent night kill the target and alter their will to spread misinformation amongst the town and the gang. I think this should be our default strategy. If we can get onto an Investigator/ other power role and alter their will it could do very good things for our cause. Keep in mind altering a mafia's will will not fool that mafia gang, rather it will confirm the presence of a Lawyer to them, so altering wills will be most useful when used on town roles who haven't made their info public yet.

Unfortunately drug dealing will be relatively hit and miss in the beginning but it will still be fun to fuck with people's minds a bit. Imagine targeting the same player with 2 sets of drugs.

I welcome your thoughts.

As soon as day breaks start pretending you're a townie. Pretend so hard that you fool yourself. Be mindful of the role you're trying to portray, and then think about how you would act were you that role. Eg. If you were an Investigator how would you act so that people would never suspect you were an investigator and attempt to kill you. That is how you should act. Don't over-play it though. You don't need to convince anybody you're a townie, you just are one, right?

2. In mafia chat we are a team. In day chat we are just other members of the town, we are not a team. Don't think of us as a team. Don't play like we're a team. If you feel there's evidence on the board or scum tells lying around then point them out EVEN IF THEY ACCUSE YOUR TEAM-MATES. If you can see a scum tell, chances are somebody else can too. If you can see blatant holes in any of our reasoning then point them out too. The town doesn't expect one mafia team to be arguing amongst itself in day chat.
3. If you find yourself in a sticky situation and you don't know how to reply, ask for help in the dedicated mafia chat and we can work together to indemnify you.

Okay the updated Investigation pairings are:

-Citizen/GF (Overrides night action investigation ex. GF is blackmailer he will still show up as Citizen/GF)
-Investigator/Consigliere
-Architect/Ventriloquist
-Enchantress/Witch/Drug Dealer
-Merchant/Masochist/Lawyer

With this in mind:

Drug dealer 1:[Jets 2]
Drug dealer 2: [Jets 3]
Ventriloquist: [GF]
Lawyer: Kenny
Consigliere: [Jets 3]

Let me know if you guys are happy with this?

I think the drug dealers can probably make a good go of pretending to be Enchantresses. I will appear in the citizen category, which is good because trying to fake an Architect is probably suicide. Kenny has 2 choices, but both of them are neutrals and tricky ones.

Best of luck.

[Jets 3]
I'm happy with that; I was leaning towards Drug Dealer anyway. Though a good point has been made about Kenny being pretty much doomed. In SC2 maf, picking "Kenny" as a name is a night 1 death sentence.

And to answer your previous question, I'm neither a first timer nor going to reveal myself. Why are you pushing so hard for a reveal of my forum identity?

Don't pretend to be town during the day - just forget that you are mafia. That's how I play it in SC2 maf - I just forget my role and pick a new town one, and then play normally. Self-deception is surprisingly important in this game.

GF
've also been thinking in regards to the Mayor elections tomorrow.

In my mind, it looks like a giant trap. Trying to make a play at it would probably do us more harm than good. In the end a Mayor is only as good as the information he has and if we can influence the information he receives and how he responds to it then we can control him. The roles we have are well suited to this.

I really think our enemies (town or mafia) will be on the lookout for a team trying to make a play at the election. That team will obviously be a mafia team because we're the only groups who've so far collaborated. I think our best bet is to limit our involvement and not try and get elected. Definitely we should not be actively supporting each other for nomination/ election. If by some miracle one of us does elected then good, so be it, but I really think that shouldn't be our goal here.

Instead we should take note of who does try and get nominated and who supports who, and maybe we might find something. Equally interesting, will be those who stay out of it.

I am open to alternative opinions. What do you guys think?

Also, good question to ask yourself is, were you really the Town role you're going to pretend to be, would you want to be elected Mayor? That may help influence how you play and respond once day starts.

[Jets 3]
I personally think one of our two Drug Dealers should be the killing role for the first few nights, given that we probably don't need both sets of misleading information. In fact, having the same person get targeted by both (imagine if they get the same result) makes it pretty painfully obvious that there are Drug Dealers in the game. Our best bet is stealth; I would almost recommend that the Drug Dealer not act until there's a confirmed investigative role on the table to fuck with. It also seems like a waste to have a unique role skip their night action in favor of killing. Even on night 1, Lawyer could be eminently useful depending on what is discovered tomorrow.

[Jets 1]
Well, based on the town leader election in m-fmII: the town leader doesn't really affect the game as badly as one might think, and yeah we the mafia just let other people fight over it. The ones that aggressively campaigned for it ended up looking like scum while the real scum just sat back and laughed.

I have to disagree with you [Jets 3] on the lawyer front though, I mean the first night the lawyer has no idea what the person's role is that they're changing the last will of, so there is zero useful information they can mess around with because they have no idea what the person would put in their last will anyway. It's kind of like how you said we should be stealthy with the drug dealers (which I do agree with, double-hitting someone does not seem like a really good tactic at all).

But yeah, night one there's nothing the Lawyer can really do, whereas the drug dealers can actively fuck with the town's heads, so it's probably better to have the Lawyer do the killing until we start finding people for them to mess with the last wills of.

Kenny
I can see myself abusing my namesake for sympathy and getting a town leadership position lol. Probably a bad idea though.
And I daresay a lookout or detective will be following me night 1 because they're following the train of thought that, if I'm not the Mafia, the mafia would take a shot at me for the lulz to say the "Oh my God! They killed Kenny!" deal. So bottom line is, be careful what you put me to do.
Also.
One thing I’d like to point out, guys. If it’s one thing I notice amongst all pros, it’s the tendency to cuss like crazy when provoked lol. And if they figure out you're pro, they'd gun you down first. So I ask you to restrain yourself for heaven’s sake and DO NOT SAY WIRTY DORDS. IF YOU DO I WILL PERSONALLY SEE TO IT THAT I STUFF YOUR MOUTH AND INTESTINAL ORGANS WITH SOAP WHEN I GET MY HANDS ON YOU, DO WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.

GF
Sorry, I should have been more clear. The whole purpose behind this is just to be prepared for the situation where you're jailed or on the receiving end of a public demand for a role claim. If you've played with the role you're going to claim in mind until that point, then you'll find it easier to persuade the forum. There is no need to claim prematurely though.

[Jets 1]
Well, it's hard to say since the other games weren't anonymous, so people I think we're more naturally inclined to trust you. I was actually thinking that perhaps one way to overcome the stigma of your name is to talk how you normally do so people can go "Oh, that's Sumi, let's not kill her night one". I'm not saying day one go "I AM SUMI PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE", but I don't know, maybe throw in some "^^" here and there.

In terms of your activity I think your generally active enough, but if you see some one say something you want to say, you can always quote it and then kind of add a "I totally agree with this person, for the following reasons:" that way you make your opinion on a given person or strategy known to everyone instead of just silently going "I totally agree with that guy".

Kenny
Lol I didn't know I had a distinct way of talking, other than threatening people with chainsaws.
Should I say something along the lines of "If you target me just so you can say "Oh my God! They killed Kenny!" I swear I will chunk a chainsaw at you."? It might give the impression that I'm not a smart player to make my identity so painfully obvious and thus make them think I'm not capable of staying under the radar as scum. Which, might garner some sympathy from them and not let them target a newb player night 2? And they might not read me as carefully if they think I'm not capable of much. It just might work. Better they know I'm Sumi than mistake me for someone who has enemies, like Auckmid or Dimwit or someone like that. But then again, maybe they'll think I'm someone else impersonating as me... -caught in self WIFOM- HRMMMM.

Anyway, thanks for the advice.

GF
f there is one thing I have learnt playing this game, it is that nobody plays forum mafia anything like they do Sc2.

I don't understand why you are concealing your identity unless you have something to hide. What could you have to hide from your own team?

[Jets 1]
Unless he's not on our team... DUN DUN DUN!

[Jets 2]
He could be lover...
Lover IS here...

*fists*

[Jets 1]
At this point, if night 1 is really just about picking mafia roles, and we've already picked ours, I have to ask: what's taking the sharks so damn long? I wonder if one of their people is AFK.

GF
I've noticed a fairly constant stream of people viewing the forum even when you guys don't seem to be online. I can't imagine many other players have much cause to be frequenting the forum tonight other than the Sharks so it seems as though they're certainly discussing something.

Maybe they're going to make a play for the elections tomorrow?

[Jets 1]
Either that or they don't realize this chat is going to be open during the day. I really can't see any other reason to talk as heavily about strategy before the game's even really started.

GF
You (he is referring to [Jets 3]) are either

a) the Lover not even trying to hide
b) a regular mafia messing with his own team

[Jets 2]
I was joking. (kinda)

But, it is true, if we kill the lovers, we win the game, cause we merge into 8:12 ratio.
w-w-w-winning.

We are all ridiculous.

Wait, a team is arguing amongst themselves...
DAMN YOU FALSETRUTHHHH

[Jets 3]
Wow; brilliant deduction! The person who is stirring up trouble and calling attention to himself is the role whose ONLY PURPOSE IN THE GAME is to avoid calling attention to itself.

You're a regular Sherlock Holmes. I'm glad we're in your capable hands, oh great harmonious leader.

If we're given anonymous accounts, why reveal who we are? That defeats the point. I don't understand why it's such a massive deal to you to know what my regular username is.

I'd also like to point out that [Jets 2] was the first person to accuse me of being one of the Lovers, and is thus suspect numero uno for being the Jets Lover in my book.


Kenny
Guys, guys. Internal conflict = deleterious to our survival. You saw how miscommunication within Rome brought its downfall last game.
We already have the town, a few neutrals, and the other Mafia against us. We don't need to pit ourselves against each other as well.
I personally have no reason for knowing who [Jets 3] is, since we'll find out after the game anyway lol.
Finding out now will let us know playing habits but it's whatevs for me.
Have you played a FM before, [Jets 3]? That's all I want to know.

[Jets 3]
As I'm pretty sure I've already stated, yes. I've also played a fuck ton of SC2 Mafia (sorry [GF], but it still counts as experience), and IRC mafia. So I know what I'm doing.

Count-up until [GF] disagrees with/insults EVERY post I've made since his last round of replies: 14 minutes and counting.

Since this is a clearly established theme already, I'm going to stop offering any sort of advice or opinion and just do what I'm told. If we lose, [GF] will only have himself to blame for being such a massive asshole on Night 1 (before the game has even started).

GF
I'm not trying to fight with him. On the contrary I've been trying my hardest to make peace.

He's just losing his shit.

[Jets 3]
No, you've been attacking everything that I say (even things not directly addressed to you) because you think I have no experience with forum mafia, and then trying to play the "I'm being rational yo" card, while barely able to hide your suspicions that you think I'm up to no good (for no other reason than, apparently, I won't tell you what my forum account is).

And snide little comments like "he's just losing his shit" are doing nothing to diffuse the situation.

Whatever. I'm done fighting with you. If this is how this game is going to go, I'll just give my spot to a reserve and go back to playing the SC2 mafia that you seem to hate so much.

EDIT:
In fact, that's what I will do. Already PMed game master about it. If this is how Night 1 went, I'd hate to imagine staying in the game with [Gf's forum account] in charge.

GF
I actually don't know what you're talking about anymore.

But whatever, do as you will.

[Jets 3]
Go look at your response to my first post in every topic. Especially relevant is the "Scum tips to avoid getting fried" topic, where you replied to my post ONLY to point out that all SC2 mafia experience is irrelevant.

I don't feel like dealing with your hostility. Bye.

[Jets 1]
Huh, that was a quick game. It's a shame to see you go, [Jets 3]. I had actually just typed up a post to try to get you to chill and stay with us, but it logged me out so I'm back to a blank slate.

Before you go, want to tell us who the other team's lover is? (kidding).

Lol I have a great feeling about this game. Now we can get SuicidalN00b!

[Jets 3]
I've been encouraged to stay, and have changed my mind.

[GF's forum account], don't fucking treat me like a child. Guaranteed to piss me off.

Moving on, the Sharks are taking for fucking ever.

[Jets 1]
Awwwwww but [Jets 3] is always the one that hates the group's schemes and tries to get out any chance he gets. If you had left, and Kenny got killed tomorrow night, we'd be doing the show justice.

Oh well, fine, I guess you can stay.

GF
Even though you may think I hate you (and I don't).

I'm glad you've decided to stay.

Kenny
Waaagh, I swear, if you jynx this, prepare to have your neck sawed off.

That said, I'm glad you're staying with us, [Jets 3].
Here's to a great game!

[Jets 1]
Don't worry, worst case scenario you die and then the rest of us lose the game for you. It's not like we haven't been there before ;).

UNLESS OF COURSE YOU'RE THE LOVER AND IF YOU DIE YOU LOSE.

On an unrelated note, I really want to see the shark's night chat. Mainly because I want to see their pages and pages of strategic discussion get fucked up after the horrors of the real night 1 lol.

[Jets 3]
Just imagine when they see the Jersey Shore-esque drama that is our Night Chat, though. xD

[Jets 1]
Lol I'd rather be a drama queen that gets shit done than whatever the fuck they're doing over there.

And that's why I'm a Jet for life.

[Jets 3]
They probably found some incredible game-breaking mechanic that will fuck us all over.

Or maybe they only post a letter at a time.

Kenny

Let's not make this a Rome retake lol.

UNLESS OF COURSE YOU'RE THE LOVER AND YOU HOPE I DIE.
.

On a related note to your unrelated note, didn't someone say a shark could be afk? Lol. I can see you charging into their domain after the game WHICH WE WILL WIN AS SCUM FOR ONCE.
"LET ME SEE ALL YOUR DISCUSSION- HEY THERE'S NOTHING HERE."
-Shark123 was afk for N1-
"FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUU"
-sees Sumi tossing a bar of soap-
"FFFfuh goodness sake..."

Okay I'm having waaay too much fun in this night chat lol.

[Jets 1]
Lol, yeah I feel like this is Random.Org's way of saying "hey guys, sorry about that last game, I was so wasted. Do over!"

Oh and [Jets 3] reminded me of something with his mention of game breaking mechanics. It's not quite game breaking, but I was thinking of a possible peace treaty we could establish with the Sharks.

It involves us both sending our GF out every night, and not targetting the other Mafia. Then after our GF gets sacrificed we put in his last will something along the lines of asking the Sharks to sac their GF. Then we each pick a member to sac, and form a combined team to wreak havoc on the town as a super group. And then the people that died will win with us as a giant happy family.

And it also means we don't have to worry about the lover mechanic THAT SUMI PROBABLY IS since the lover turns into a mafia during that "event". I don't know, I figure we could use our death note to see what the other team thinks?

[Jets 3]
Yeah, the Lover mechanic is really the hinge for this entire game. The sooner we find our Lover (and the Shark's Lover, preferably), the sooner we can have a super mafia. I'm not sure about the legitimacy of an alliance while the Lovers are alive, if only because eventually they will stab us in the back.

<insert anti-Shark bigotry here>

Kenny
Peace treaty? That's a possibility. An interesting way to have the Lover THAT [Jets 1's forum account] PROBABLY IS to win with the Mafia.
I'm not against it if it means we'll win. Though. The only problem I see is, KPN is decreased if we combine and if we sacrifice 2 members each, then we're down to a 6 Mafia party with one kill. I mean, I guess we've eliminated the hostility from an enemy Mafia. But with such a large town we might need the 2KPN to at least thin the crowd first.
It's an idea worth considering though.

[Jets 1]
That's why I figured it'd be a good thing to communicate to the Sharks via death note. That way we could kind of be like "hey guys we're going to just kill off town instead of targetting you guys, then when town's almost dead, we'll do mass suicides and form a super group and everyone can win, sound good?"

And if we keep communications open with them via deathnotes then we'll be able to coordinate it and prevent the lovers from having to backstab us.

[Big Gay Al]

The Jets are the more talkative of the two Mafia factions. Sorry if I keep on changing the format of the transcripts. I'm trying to find the easiest way to copy paste the posts from the lover chat to here.

Kenny
Is this an acceptable first post?

"Let me preface the day by saying this.
Go ahead and get your "Oh my God! They killed Kenny!" jokes out of the way, lest that be the reason for some idiotard shooting me first night.
I ask you to choose not to shoot the unfortunate person, namely, me, for a namesake decided by random.org.
Of course, if you want to be that jerk, there's nothing I can do to stop you. "

[Jets 1]
There's one problem with that though, and that's that your "good" role alternative to lawyer is masochist. So it'll actually be kind of awkward if you try not to get shot, since theoretically you'll be trying to claim masochist later.

I honestly don't know what to do, so go with god.

[Jets 2]
Now, how do I get elected mayor?

Kenny
I thought we were trying not to get elected lol...

Kenny
I'm just going to put it. My priority is surviving past night 2 lol... I'll deal with having to fudge my identity later when it comes to that.

[Jets 3]
Yeah, I'm not about to nominate anyone in our mafia.

[Jets 2]
I wanna get elected though.
Puts us in a great position.
We'll have 10 maf.
10 MAF.
AND THEN 13 WHEN WE KILL THE LOVERS.
13 MAF.

Kenny
Careful [Jets 3], you've said two dangerous things now. ;x
One about not being able to fake your identity.
And one about asking for role claims.

[Jets 3]
Eh. I'll back down if Big Gay Al keeps pushing me.

GF
Unfortunately I don't have time to read everything right now so let me know who are wise voting choices if you can
[Jets 3]
I would avoid voting if I were you. Wait until a strong, obviously town candidate steps forward and vote for them. So far, all the voting has been random, there has been a lot of trolling/joking around, and very little has actually been accomplished. It also seems very likely that [Jets 1] will be elected, which means he will be checked very quickly and discovered. Dx

EDIT:
In fact, we need to do EVERYTHING in our power to make sure [Jets 1] is not the person who is elected.

[Jets 3]
I say we push for Tweek Tweak to be elected. He seems a bit scummy to me and has 2 votes, so it'd be easy to make him a candidate. He is also trying very hard to get elected. If he wants it bad enough, there's a chance he's up to no good.

[Jets 1]
Lol I honestly did not expect people to start voting me, but it's okay. Because if a sheriff invests me night 1 I'll say it was on obvious frame job. And then I'll hint that I did a subtle roleclaim day 1 with my Inspector [Jets 1] reference. Which I suspect is why some people have been voting me.

Also, a couple of notes. I'm pretty sure Big Gay Al is maf because of his aggressive nature towards [Jets 3]. And Tweek is another possible maf because of his attention to the night time activity of the forum. Why was he in the forum at that time if he wasn't doing anything with the maf? Seems fishy to me.

[Jets 3]
Also, Tweek is Nick.

[Jets 2]
Mr. Hat is Dust.
I suggest we take him out.
Unless someone used his speech format from M-FM III.

[Jets 3]
[Jets 2], he said that he ripped it off directly from an M-FM, so it could be anyone. Nick, however, is 100% confirmed to be Tweek.

[Jets 2]
Didn't see that. Mmk.

[Jets 3]
I am strongly convinced that Big Gay Al is scum. All of his posts have stirred up confusion and attacked people without suggesting alternatives (aside from reveal our COM identities and vote up the most popular person). His most recent post is just a copy/paste of my tally with two votes deleted accusing me of not keeping track correctly. I think we should fast-track him for being shot in the face.

[Jets 3]
Also, I REALLY think we should consider having [Jets 1] drop out. Al is pushing for him to be checked. If he comes back Mafia, even with the "I was framed" defense, Al will push for a lynch because he's paranoid (one of the reason I think he's a Shark / some type of scum). Al is NOT going to allow [Jets 1] to get away with being Mayor. While he's around, none of us should be in a town position of power. Al is claiming Mafia buddying when literally NONE of us have voted for [Jets 1]; that seems to speak for itself. He is convinced, and a check coming back to confirm it will only lead to problems for us.

[Jets 3]
None of us except [Jets 2], that is. [Jets 2], I'd recommend un-nominating [Jets 1].

[Jets 2]
So, should we pick off Big Gay Al tomorrow?
Or WIFOM our way out of this?

[Jets 3]
I say kill him. He's an ass, and he's more trouble than he's worth.

[Jets 1]
I agree, we should kill him and invest Tweek. I can't really drop out of the race though, otherwise it'll be like "huh, someone said he might be scum and should be checked out/locked up, and then he dropped out". I feel like that'll make me look more guilty than anything else.

[Jets 3]
By "drop out" I mean use our influence to make sure you don't get enough nominations. [Jets 2] seems to control a small percentage of the vote (his supporters), and there are already people lobbying around me. GF hasn't been active during day, so he can't exert as much influence. However, [Jets 2] and I combined being vocal about nominating someone else could probably sway it. I guess either way, you get a lot of attention called to you, so it's your choice. I just don't wanna see you lynched. xD
[Jets 2]
I have supporters?


But, I actually am going to be gone for about 2 hours, driving to my grandparent's house for Xmas.
Adieu.

[Jets 2]
Although there is the pubbie mindset of "Big Gay Al wanted to kill [Jets 1] and he died. [Jets 1] maf!!!111!!!!1!!!!11!"

I will try to get Tweek on the stand, he seems non-important enough...

Kenny
I'm still debating whether we want to take the risk and just have someone nominated. Extra 4 votes comes very handy, but at the cost of close scrutiny. Hrmm.
By the way, [Jets 3], because I'm used to playing town 24/7, your defensive nature against Al is making you seem very scummy. If at all cost, we do NOT need to kill him for fear that they indeed will trace it back to us. I mean, sure, you can kill him and then spread WIFOM, but why take that chance. Even if it means hurting your pride, guys, I do not suggest rebelling against someone for long periods of time. In a heat of anger, you'll reveal something you don't mean to. Seen it happen way too many times, and it's happened to me.

[Jets 3]
Yeah, I'm going to avoid talking to Al from now on. He just seems determined to pick fights; I will work on being less defensive.

Also, guys, make sure to review Mayor description. He DOESN'T get extra votes - he gets to force a double lynch (e.g. lynch 2 mafia instead of 1).

Kenny
Nowaizors! I was sure I read somewhere he got 5 votes instead of 1. D: But now that I check...

[Jets 3]
Holy shit! You're right. He gets 5 votes AND can double-lynch. Wow; that's incredibly OP. Dx

Kenny
He is. We need to carefully consider if we want a shot at mayor.
Anyone here who can hold up to scrutiny? Lol.

[Big Gay Al]

Some more of their stuffs

[Jets 3]
Holy shit. Big Gay Al is a serious threat.

Kenny
Lol, did he figure you out?

[Jets 3]
He read me like a god damn book.

Kenny
Lol, I agree, Al is one to be feared. Perhaps he's DR himself? Heh.
We know for a fact he's played in almost every FM from the beginning though. Can anyone compile a list of who those people are?

[GF]
Dr hasn't played in a number of the forum mafias but I think he has read through them. Philie and claw are longtime dangerous players. Mcdaniels reminds me of them.

Kenny
If McDaniels is Zack, then yes, you would be correct in your assumption.
DR is a registered player in this game, so we have to take that into account probably somewhere.
Philie and Claw. How2dealwiththem? xD

[GF]
We can kill them

[GF]
I don't want you guys to nominate me.


For now I want to appear over eager and keen.

Kenny
Let's shoot Bradley tonight.
1. He spelled my name wrong.
2. He called me a roleplaying pony.
My chainsaw is out for his blood now.

[Jets 3]
My vote still goes for Al, personally.

We also need to start looking for signs that people are investigative roles, so that Drug Dealers can neutralize their results.

[Jets 1]
It looks like Big Gay Al is going to end up winning the election for mayor, with tweek as his pardoner. I think we should actually reverse it: kill tweek, and let Al stay mayor.

As mayor, he'll likely be healed night one, and investigated. So if he is scum like we think, then he'll get lynched during the day anyway. If he's not scum, then we'll probably know the identity of the investigator that checked him, and find out what his role is anyway. Then we can take him and the investigator out.

[Jets 1]
Whoever the lover on our team is is a dick btw, if Cartman is telling the truth. I offered a way for all of us to win, lovers included, and now Cartman is hinting that I'm scum. WTF?

Kenny
I can't tell if Cartman is stupid, wants his butt thrown out for gamethrowing, or is a masochist or veteran trying to fish for Mafia shots...

[Jets 2]
Well, Wendy also claimed lover.
The lover is in this sub-forum, so one of them has to be faking.
Don't target either of them.
Possibru veterans.

Kenny
Lol I love how [Jets 3] is being trusted without trying. xD
It would be interesting having a Mafia pardoner, that's for sure.

[Jets 1]
There are no veterans. I think we should kill Cartman tonight. I'm pretty sure [Jets 2]'s our lover, and Cartman is his partner. And if I'm wrong, well hey we shot a masochist (the only other role that would want to openly claim lover). Town doesn't seem to trust him, and any docs are likely going to pile on to Big Gay Al, the mayor.

So fuck it, I say we go for Cartman.

[Big Gay Al]

Jets GF
Start discussing who you want to target with your various abilities tonight.

I know a number of you have suggested targets for killing tonight, but I intend to target somebody well and truly off the radar. I don't want our killer running into anybody unexpected tonight and needlessly endangering themselves.
eg. running into a lookout, spree killer, doctor's heal, or even a busdriver who manages to swap our target with one of us/a citizen or neutral. From Day 1 I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to reliably discern worthy power role targets amongst the active players. On the other hand, I do think we've got a chance of finding one amongst the quieter players. With this in mind, I may choose the target myself.

I want to hear the most debate on subjects for the Consigliere and Drug dealing.

I still think the Lawyer is a good killer for tonight, and I can take over his job tomorrow night. I'm also open to using the 2nd Drug dealer instead for the killer if you guys still don't want to use both of them tonight.

Nobody's should go anywhere near Cartman. It's a guaranteed suicide mission.

[Jets 3], I'm curious who you're going to vote for in the election? I know you've stated you don't want to be elected in the daychat so that may excuse you if you don't vote for yourself, but on the other hand I wonder if it will make people question themselves as to why you didn't want to be Mayor. It's upto you of course what to do, but I am curious what your plan is.

[Jets 3] also suggested we vote for Al and it's a good idea. Possibly 1/2 of us should vote for McDaniels (assuming he becomes a candidate) as well to hide our tracks.

[Jets 1]
Going near Cartman is NOT a guaranteed suicide mission. I can practically guarantee that Big Gay Al will be the subject of the spree killer's attention. Cartman on the other hand is going to be the subject of one person: the jailor and as far as I know, the spree killer's attack wouldn't affect the jailor since he kidnaps Cartman at the start of the night. And no one else is going to attack Cartman because they know he's getting jailed, which means a lookout probably won't be watching him because they won't know they won't be seeing anything. And if a lookout does see me visit Cartman at night for some inexplicable reason, I'll just explain that I'm an investigator trying to verify Cartman's claim. Which is what I'm doing anyway.

If Cartman is a lover, then I'll tell you in our secret chat and then you can take him out and merge to win the game after my death. If he's telling the truth we're pretty fucked anyway once he reveals everybody, so it's probably best to get that information now. Especially if Cartman makes a deal to not out everyone in the town (i.e make it look like he was lying) but then the jailor secretly kills off the mafia members each night with his now complete list.

I want you to seriously consider that possibility. Because without any investigative evidence, we'd have no choice but to believe Cartman was bsing during the day. And the only people that would know that he wasn't would be his own team, who can't kill him anyway. Finding out whether or not he is 100% a lover is incredibly important to set the tone of the rest of this game. I agree we shouldn't kill him tonight, but investigating him is an absolute must.

In terms of using a killer it's probably best to use the lawyer since it's not useful to us at all tonight and it can't really mess people up too much in this game anyway since their roles show up in the graveyard and they can change their will each night anyway. Whether or not you guys want to use both drug dealers is up to you but personally I don't see a reason not to. It would require a lot of town roles to claim in order to reveal any possible double ups before they came to the drug dealer conclusion.

You can kill whoever you want, though I'd suggest someone like Shelley. They seem like they're pretty good, and their frustration with the day 1 events means they're some kind of town role. Plus they didn't really make any friends in the day chat so I doubt they'll be the focus of anyone else's attention.

GF
I appreciate what you're saying, but I'm going to try and convince you to change your mind.

Think about what we have to gain from investigating Cartman:
1. We learn he fits into the Lover category. If this is the case and he's telling the jailor everything then you're right gg and there's nothing we can do anyhow.
2. He's not a Lover, which means he's fucking with people, which means he's helping us, which means he's not our concern.

The jailor can only kill at night when there has been no lynch during the day. After day 1 this is unlikely to occur again. This means that the Jailor has to reveal his information publicly in order to bring about a death.

Even if Cartman does fit into the Lover investigation category any doc, subsequent jail, bodyguard, etc could prevent us from successfully killing him.

Lastly, even if you do investigate him, the best you can hope for is Godfather/ Citizen/ Lover category, which only proves that he fits into the largest investigation category in the game not that he is in fact a Lover. It's actually a genius citizen play because it draws a hell of a lot of mafia attention to a meatshield Town role.

If I was a Spree Killer I would visit Cartman even despite the jailor's prisoner immunity. The people who are most likely to be visiting Cartman are investigative roles (like yourself). These are the people the Spree Killer wants dead first because they're the people who can find him. Cartman also represents the single player most likely to garner attention tonight. I agree Al is likely to be visited by players too, but the Spree Killer could act either way.


[Jets 1]
Okay, let's run through the two scenarios. Again.

If Cartman is NOT a lover
1) Then he's not a town, since he's creating confusion and wasting the jailor's ability for a night, and drawing the spotlight on himself instead of possible scum

2) He's also psychic, since he was right when, at the time, he said that one of the 3 people running for mayor (me, Big Gay Al, Tweek) was scum.

3) Since he's not town, we can conclude he's not the citizen if the cit/gf/lover result comes up.

4) Following the logic of #3, then we would be able to conclude that he's the GF of the other team. So we would find and remove the GF of the enemy mafia. And this... is a bad thing?

5) If he does not come up as a lover, and we have confirmation that his findings are just ramblings trying to gain attention, we know to ignore him for the rest of the game, but the rest of town won't. They'll still be hanging on to his every word like it's the gospel, while we strategize our next move freely. Or we're going to spend every night going through this same argument as Cartman continues to feed the town and jailor information, and we'll have no idea whether or not we're completely fucked.

If Cartman IS a lover
1) Then we'll know that he is our top priority tomorrow night.

2) Once we kill him, the traitor in our own mafia will commit suicide.

3) We'll get a shit load of people on our team. I know you guys disagree with having a team of, what, 8 mafia over a team of 5, but I still find it preferable.

4) We'll stop Cartman from revealing any more night actions. It's bad enough that he revealed the other team's roles, since we're operating under the fact that he's telling the truth in this section. The last thing we need is for him to reveal the night actions of both teams, ours and theirs, every night.

5) We're probably fucked anyway, might as well know it so I don't waste time trying to BS a day chat that has us all pegged.

If I was a spree killer I would visit Big Gay Al or Tweek, as both were accused of being scum, and are both in the running for mayor, with Big Gay Al the clear winner. One of them is likely to be checked tonight by the investigator(s) and healed and bodyguarded, etc. If the spree killer goes for one of them he'll be guaranteed several kills. Going for Cartman will net him what? Maybe one or two investigators. I think you're more paranoid about Cartman being the target of the spree killer because you know I'm going to go there. The Spree Killer does not know this.

And don't forget that no lynch days are pretty easy in a setup with this many people. Look how hard it was to get lynches off last FM, it was like pulling teeth regardless of the target. When there's so many people in a setup, and a considerable portion lurkers, it's hard to get a large majority as compared to a smaller game.

GF
The last FM was retarded. In every other FM there is a lynch every day.

I don't know you're going to visit him because I can order you to go where I decide.

The insinuation has been not that Cartman would reveal our actions but rather that he would reveal our roles. Is this true? If so then it only takes one night. eg. tonight for us to be fucked.

If he is Lover then what's to stop the Jailor just jailiing him again tomorrow night and rendering him immune from our attacks?

How does killing a Lover help us when all of our identities have already been revealed?

You think that he can't be a Citizen? Wasting a jailor's abilities for a night is an excellent trade-off for diverting the mafia's attentions. Additionally he gets to confer with the jailor and discuss who knows what.

[Jets 3] and I have already come to the conclusion that Cartman is not the Lover, which following our reasoning means we're simply investigating a likely neutral, which will help us little.

You feel as though you are compelled to visit Cartman which makes Cartman a perfect target for the Spree Killer because of the high chance he hits a consigliere. He wants to hit a consigliere especially because if his identity is revealed to the mafia it is guaranteed he will not surive to the end which he needs to do to win. I assume town investigators will be smarter than to be visiting any of the mayor candidates. For one, they make excellent targets for the framer, and two finding out what the mayor may be is relatively unimportant at this stage of the game. A mayor even in evil hands is not an enormous threat to the Town just yet.


[Jets 3]
[GF], your post just made me think of something...

We've been racking our brains for roles Cartman could be aside from Masochist, Lover, and regular Shark, and so far have come up with nothing. What if Cartman really IS a Citizen? He makes a lot of noise by pretending to be a Lover, gets targeted by BOTH mafia teams in some way (either through killing or investigation), and is pretty much a shoe-in for a Spree Killer targeting. Boom; instant 2-3 mafia kills, possibly more if more scum target him. In the meantime, he's invulnerable in jail, and thus can't take any real damage from the ploy.

Anyways, we should stay away from Cartman and Al, imo.



No offense, [Jets 1], but it seems like most of the town ALREADY has you pegged for scum. No one is going to believe an Invest claim from you after today. Your campaign for Mayor made too many people mistrust you.



I feel like we've been over this. Early merge = bad for us, not winning.



As [GF] pointed out, it would be far from 100%. With 2 GFs, 11 Citizens, and 2 Lovers (15/36), we would know with roughly 42% certainty.

I agree on the Lawyer for the kill tonight. As for the Drug Dealers, at least one of us should act. However, I don't think we both should. [Jets 2] has a lower profile than I do, so I think it should be him rather than me. As for targets, not sure about that.

I agree that Shelley might be a good choice for a kill.

As for voting, I plan to vote for Big Gay Al. We should do a 3/2 split between Big Gay Al and McDaniels, or a 3/1/1 between Al, McDaniels, and myself, whichever you guys prefer. The bigger the spread, the less likely we will be seen as a unified group. With Al, enough people expressed support that it won't be too surprising if he wins by a significant lead.

If people question why I didn't vote for myself, I have two reasons in mind; input would be nice. First, I could simply say that I didn't realize it was an option, and that I thought we HAD to vote for someone other than ourselves. Second, I could again reiterate that I never wanted to be elected Mayor, and that I thought Big Gay Al would do a better job scumhunting than I would. What do you guys think?

Finally, [GF], I was just wondering... who is your Ventriloquist smurf? I was trying to figure it out during the daytime, but for the life of me couldn't. It might help us to know something like that.

[Jets 1]
I understand that you and [Jets 3] have come to the conclusion that Cartman is lying, but I have not. For one, look at [Jets 2]. He tried to divert our attention away from Cartman and then when I called him out as the lover he stopped speaking entirely here. Maybe he's just AFK or maybe he knows we found him out. If Cartman is the lover and he gets jailed twice in a row, then yeah we're fucked. But that's something entirely out of our control at that point. I mean do you opt to not do anything when you find a sheriff out of fear the jailor will jail him to protect him at night? Frankly, I've never seen that strategy used but it is a possibility. I personally think that given the information we have at hand we should investigate Cartman to find out what exactly is going on so we can be better informed about our next move.

Knowledge is power, especially for the mafia, and if we're expected to play to our best abilities then we can't be making strategies with a giant question mark on the field. It's like playing chess where you don't know whether that's a queen or a pawn next to your king. You're probably fucked if it's a queen, but it's better to know and adapt than assume it's a pawn and get fucked.

I didn't know you had final say on our targets, so you're right then, you make the call, not me. So what the fuck am I even doing arguing with you at this point if you're just going to overrule my decision. I get that you already have one smurf but if you want two that's fine, override my decision and do whatever you want to do despite my input. I just assumed, incorrectly I guess, that when we picked our roles we were doing so to play to our strengths. Apparently you could've random.org'd them though for all you care.

And [Jets 3], I just saw your post. Now you're telling me that investigating Cartman is a bad idea, when in the "Cartman Problem" you agreed that I should investigate Cartman tonight. I'm confused.

[Jets 3]
[Jets 1], I'm going to go through your last post bit-by-bit so we can maybe finally see eye-to-eye. What this team DOESN'T need is strife; we all need to get on the same page here.



Yeah, because NO town roles are supposed to draw the spotlight onto themselves rather than onto other, more powerful town roles... EXCEPT CITIZEN, which comprises of more than half of the town.



And yet I'm fairly convinced that either Al or Tweek is scum. It's not really that tough to guess - I mean, the MAJORITY of the town guessed that you were scum LONG before Cartman spoke up.



See above.



See above.



If he's the GF, we would have no way of knowing for sure. Beyond that, TOWN would have no way of distinguishing himself from a Lover, which would mean the Sharks have effectively gotten into bed with the town. But we could never know for sure based on your result, which means we would only speculate and argue (like we're doing now) more, wasting precious time and energy (like we're doing now).



Then again, if we wait until tomorrow, I can ask him to provide the list of roles for the Mafia that he didn't already give (e.g. us) and we'll know if he's lying or not for sure (whereas your method would leave a margin of error of more than 50%). In fact, my way of finding out his real identity is a hell of a lot more precise than yours, and frees you up to check someone else. Funny how that works out, isn't it?



Tomorrow night, when he gets BG'd, healed, jailed again, Spree Killer targeted, etc.? You mean that tomorrow night? If he really IS the Lover, he's untouchable for the rest of the game, until town is dead and can't protect him.



Thus reducing the total Mafia KPN and quadrupling the amount of people we have to kill.



Yeah, a team of 8 mafia versus a team of 20 town + neutrals, with only 1 kill per night. Sounds like a great way to lose.



Not really any way we can stop him if he's dead (and thus proven to be a Lover, and thus correct). If he dies, the Jailor will reveal all of our names. We will all be lynched or killed. Game over.

If he's alive, we can slowly work to tarnish his reputation, sow doubt in the minds of the town about his claims, and discredit him. And he will have no way of proving us wrong, because if we're subtle enough, he won't be able to tell town who to lynch without risking a modkill and loss.



Yeah, that way we could all just reveal and game-throw instead of playing out the game. Great idea.



The Spree Killer doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know that the Mafia team that Cartman doesn't belong to will want to know for damn sure whether or not he is actually a Lover, as will the town.

Frankly, we don't KNOW who the Spree Killer will target. There is a list of probable targets, and Cartman is pretty high up on it, along with Big Gay Al and Tweek. All the more reason to not target ANYONE on that list.

Are we on the same page now? Or do we need to keep arguing about this for the rest of night chat, and not have a chance to strategize? Because this shit is setting us back.


[Jets 3]
And yet, [Jets 2] isn't in here sowing mistrust and confusion.

I'm not going to speculate on our Lover until we have information. We won't have that until tomorrow.

However, there is one good candidate in my mind - someone who doesn't seem to be working in the group's best interests.



No, I opt to find and kill the jailor. Christ. Have you played Mafia before?



Why don't we just put it to a vote? If you lose the vote, please shut up about it.



Bad metaphors aren't going to help us pick night targets.



Apparently, night 1 was my night to be butthurt over [GF]'s decision making. Night 2 is yours. Get over it and be a team player.



It's called a rapidly changing situation. I hadn't thought of the possibility that Cartman is a Citizen doing all of this SOLELY to get targeted by a Spree Killer and wipe out the Mafia and scum. Since that is a possibility, I think we should avoid visiting him. Again, we will know 100% whether or not he is a Lover tomorrow when I ask him what the roles are for the Mafia that he's not a part of. Checking him tonight when we will know for sure tomorrow is a stupid idea and a waste of time. Get over it.


[Jets 1]
Alright yeah, like I said I have no control over the situation so pick whatever you guys think is best. I have submitted my opinion and there's no point in arguing about it anymore. So you two can do what you want and I won't say another word about it.

Edit: Wow, I like how when you got pissy and threatened to quit I didn't give a dick attitude to you, I told you to relax and stick with us. Interesting how when I'm of the dissenting opinion your attitude changes quite drastically. I thought that discussing strategies was an important part of this night chat. I've always found conflicting viewpoints to be an important part of forming strategies, because it forces you to fix holes in your own when you defend it. Apparently you want us all to just be 'yes men' though? Alright, I'm shutting up now.


[Jets 3]
It hasn't changed; I'm still getting pissy. Only this time, I don't have booze to calm me down.



I don't want blind agreement. You're just using the same arguments that you've been using since Cartman revealed to push for us to spend time on him. I don't understand why you are pushing for this SO HARD, and it feels like we're going in circles, repeating endlessly. If you could make me understand why you want us to spend time on Cartman so much, I wouldn't be getting annoyed by it. But you just keep coming back to the same arguments, which will keep getting the same response from everyone else.

I have a few ideas as to why someone might do this. None of those ideas are good for my opinion of how we should handle your suggestions.

[Jets 1]
You can think what you want, but I'm not the lover if that's what you're trying to hint at. I'm just outspoken and that can be frustrating, as you of all people should know.

I'm done talking about Cartman, your plan sounds good, so what else would you like to talk about tonight? We've agreed that Shelley could be a good target. We can't do anything about any of the big three targets (Big Gay Al, Tweek, McDaniels). Is there any one else you think we should put our attention towards? Personally, it seems like most people are just letting them do all the talking while they sit back and spout random nonsense (like Jimbo and Gerald which is a funny coincidence since they voted for me, given the way this night chat has been going).

I'm fine with investigating Jimmy since he seems like another mid-level player between the ramblers and the town leaders.


[Jets 3]
I'm glad you bring up Jimmy, because I'd nearly forgotten. I'd be VERY interested to know what Jimmy is. His comments are few and far between, tend to not really contribute anything, and are often humorous. Lots of active lurking with that one.

I don't know what to do with Jimbo either. Though Gerald, I'm convinced, is flat out retarded.

Also, I wouldn't mind getting a solid read on McDaniels TOMORROW night. He seems to get lots of support in bursts, usually when another candidate gets questioned. There might have been some team-play going on with that. Not sure.

[Jets 1]
Oh and wtf is up with Wendy? If we don't investigate Jimmy I feel like Wendy should be the alternate. Her actions in the day chat confused the hell out of me and I have no idea what her alignment is now.

[Jets 3]
So...

I have been invited to have coffee with "Doc" and Cartman.

Kenny
Guys, guys, I feel like we're falling apart at the seams.
This is why us girls have to work so hard puttin' up with you guys' oversensitive pride. No more jabbing, okay? Girls can be pretty evil sometimes, and you don't want to face the wrath of Sumi. It involves soap and chainsaws.
Just a few things I'd like to address:
1. Though I don't mind being sent out to kill since my last will editing is probably not useful tonight, I don't understand why we don't send the smurf to kill every night till it gets killed lol. Sure, the smurf may come in handy occasionally. Though the chance of someone following me is almost zero, the chance is still there, and why jeopardize a regular player over a smurf is the question I'm wondering, since after tonight, we're assuming we're sending drug dealers to kill right?
2. I've actually not paid a whole lot of attention to Jimmy lol. I'll have to go back and read his posts.
3. There is a chance Doc is Al. [Jets 3] is the one he trusts most, and he'll want to hear Cartman's explanation, of course. [Jets 3], are you able to talk to us and talk to them at the same time? Or are you chat-blocked? (Which I guess if you are you won't be able to answer this.) So... [Jets 3] WHERE ARE YOU. HOLLER IF YOU NEED HEEEEEELP!

[Jets 3]
I can talk in both chats at once. Doc has asked me to role-claim. Cartman claims to not actually be a Lover, and that it's an elaborate ploy to oust the Mafia. However, he refused to say this until he knew who the other person in Coffee chat was. He reveals to claim his "real" role because he doesn't trust me enough, even though he voted for me. I might also refuse to reveal until he does, but that might make me appear scummy. I don't want Cartman to turn around and reveal everything I say to the town. Advice? I can post excerpts if necessary and allowed. False?

Kenny
Ah, of course, Cartman isn't lover after all. Be at ease, Waaagh.
If you're allowed, I suggest posting everything they're saying so we can get an idea.

GF
Are we even allowed to send the Smurf to kill? I didn't think the Smurf was capable of carrying out night actions.

2. I'm sure you know it already but be very careful, [Jets 3]. You can trust the Architect because he is proven Town so I'd try to follow him as much as possible. Maybe illustrate your fears this whole thing could be an elaborate non-lover Mafia ploy. See how Doc feels about the idea and if he wants a role-claim give it to him without hesitation. Just do whatever you have to do to get out of this without a scum finger pointed at you.

After you claim Enchantress they may expect proof in subsequent days/nights by recommending a target. We may be able to kill that target the night after and alter their will to suit your story.

Maybe start a new thread and copy all the messages across as well.

FM God
No.

[Jets 1]
If you want to [Jets 3], you could claim investigator and then I could just feed you the information from my results. It might keep you alive in the long run, and it would mean the Doc and Cartman would "protect" you from accusations in the day chat. I dunno, something to think about. What's your good side investigation result again? Is it something BS-able? If not, invest might be the way to go.

GF
Enchantress.

[Jets 1]
In that case it might be better to claim investigator. Otherwise they might be like "Okay, lure person X tonight to confirm" and then when person x doesn't get lured... bad news bears.

GF
True! It is a risk certainly.

On the other hand if they were like Lure person X and didn't demand confirmation the following day, then we could kill person X the following night and use the Lawyer to alter their will so that it confirmed they had been lured.

If [Jets 3] claims investigator they'll start expecting findings and that largely means none of us (including [Jets 1]) can use [Jets 1]' results to claim investigator afterwards.

It's a gamble either way.

[Jets 2]
Hmm...who should I fuck with.

Who claimed a PR, that should probably be my main target, sheriff or inves if possible.

Enchantress isn't exactly an easy role to claim, and that's my inves pairing, so wat do?

GF
Don't claim until somebody forces you to

I don't know, buddy. Somebody claiming PR day 1 most likely isn't one. Maybe hit somebody loud because they'll probably report it and spread the misinformation to the rest of the population.

[Jets 2]
I may just hit Gerald, cause he's a fucking retard...
or of course, Yayap up to his usual shenanigans

Kenny
[Jets 3] has not talked since telling us he's been coffee-d lol.
Would this mean that it does indeed block his chats to us? :x

GF
Maybe they poisoned his coffee.

Night actions for tonight are.

Kill Shelley
- Send Kenny

Investigate Jimmy (via [Jets 1])

Drug deal Gerald
- Send [Jets 2]

Abstaining:
- Muso
- [Jets 3]

If you want to voice an alternative now's the time to do it.

Time to wet our blades.


[Jets 3]
I'm going to go ahead and claim Enchantress, if pushed. I don't want to risk getting checked and having the Doc out himself to reveal my invest lie. For now, however, I'm going to say that I don't want to reveal if Cartman doesn't.

Kenny
Mmm. Ready when you are, Master [GF]. -licks blade-
What shall I carve on her body with my dagger for the death note~?

(Though, why are we drug dealing Gerald? Is he even worth a night action? Lol.)

GF
I think this might be an appropriate death note:

Four-and-a-half years I live wit' a buddy an' his family. I think I'm diggin' a guy's character... Boy, I'm a victim of disappointment in you.

Night 1's coffee chat
Quote Originally Posted by coffee chat

Originally Posted by Coffee Chat
Coffee: Welcome. I assume you trust [Jets 3] Cartman and I'd like to hear what you have to say for myself.

Cartman: Before I say anything, I'd like to know who all is invited tonight. Role card says you invite 2 people to talk. Is [Jets 3] the other person?

Cartman: I'm also busy talking to the jailor so, forgive me if I take some time before responding.

[Jets 3]: Yes, [Jets 3] is the other person. xD

Hi Cartman. Hi "Doc".

Coffee: I invited the person you voted for to ensure you would feel comfortable speaking. Go ahead.

Cartman: I'll be flat out honest here, since I think my ploy won't work past day 1. I'm not the lover. I was using that to see if I could get the mafia to rage at me. Only 2 people knew I was lying 100% and they weren't the ones that I would expect to be mad about my ploy. I was scum hunting day 1, in a sense it worked, except stupid town people didn't understand what I was doing and added to the mass confusion. Instead of questioning everyone claiming that I was lying, they joined in questioning me.

[Jets 3], I voted for you simply because I don't trust any of our 3 candidates. You seemed to be the only person that had enough votes that could knock off one of those 3.

Big Al said he didn't want the power and yet got voted up, it looks like a mafia ploy to me.

Tweek Twat sounds a bit like Claw, using gambits trying to get things done. Considering that a few people found him to be scummy, I'm surprised he got nominated at all.

McDaniels gave out a really bad reaction when I said I was a lover. Something doesn't sound right with him either.

I'd like to hear what you think of me right now.

Coffee: I'll be honest with you then too. You caused far more harm than good.

I would like to hear your roles, now.

For future reference, the safe phrase is "SAFARI ZONE", not that it will matter if one of you is mafia.

Cartman: No offense coffee, but I rather not role claim in front of [Jets 3]. I still don't know if I can trust him.

Coffee: You trust him enough to reveal that your entire game so far was a lie and implied you are something important by denying to reveal. If you're a power role, you've already showed your hand. Asking to be jailed for immunity implies you don't have a night action, one that you feel isn't as important as your ruse, or one that cannot be used yet.

So you're either a journalist, vigilante, coroner, prostitute, gunsmith, or citi.

And if I can figure that out, a team of 5 certainly can too.

Cartman: I revealed my game so far since I won't be able to give the correct list of 2 mafias in the morning. So both mafias will know that I lied. I'll have to tell the town this so they are not disadvantaged by it.

Btw.. you don't seem to read your Rep often enough. This is unfortunate.

Coffee: I don't care enough to cheat.

[Jets 3]: Doc, one possibility you didn't mention: a Mafia member other than the Lover, trying to get in good with the town (possibly even a GF, since the Cit/GF investigation message applies to Lover as well).

However, without any evidence, I don't want to speculate on that. Sorry I haven't been online all day - I've been with my family, and my sister is leaving on Thursday (and will thus probably not be around much the next few days). Anyways, as for your question of role reveals, I'm a bit uncomfortable revealing my role without Cartman revealing his, given the above stated possibility. I really want to trust you, Cartman, but if you're telling the truth (about being town faking Lover), you caused a hell of a lot of confusion today, and even run the risk of getting lynched tomorrow when your lie is exposed. That's a pretty big red flag to me, personally.

Cartman: As much chaos as I caused day1. I did more for town than anyone else. I exploited mafias only weakness and that was the fact they know more than anyone else. At least I tried to expose them. What did anyone else do. Sit on their lazy asses and blindly vote or questioned me for claiming lover.
Without any night actions night 1, we couldn't even interrogate someone into finding out if they were roleblocked/or anything else that happens during the night or if they lied about it. Mafia had the full advantage having talked to each other during the night AND during the day as things progressed.
Now I saw a whole lot of blind trust that I plan on interrogating people about day2. I wasn't going to sit idly and nominate someone based on blind trust.

I was really hoping that town would look into peoples reactions to my claim more than my claim itself. At least I had something to go on, being that only mafia should have been angry about my plan.

Who knows, I might have even tied up the mafia PRs into targeting me. They probably won't attack me since I asked the jailor to jail me but if I can get the consigs, consorts, Framers, Blackmailers, Lawyers, Drug Dealers on me from them in fear. Then our PRs are kept hidden and unaffected for at least a bit.

Coffee: (quotes Cartman's previous post) Okay, but here are the things that your ruse caused that are negative:
1) You took focus off of the voting of candidates at the exact time when focus on voting the remaining candidates was needed. If you had done it the first day FM started this might have been different, but you did it when we had less than 24 hours left to vote up two more candidates. Even you yourself admit you are unsure of the candidates.
2) You aren't Claw, because Claw isn't even in this game. But you're as blindly arrogant as him and Jack. Your plan falls apart when you realize that the mafia has perma night chat so any venting can be redirected there with little to no problem. In fact the only thing you probably achieved was drawing a town-friendly neutral out of hiding. Or exposed the real lovers by accident. So unless that was your intent...
3) You did nothing for the actual election process, in fact you sowed more confusion here then any other and your actions could have been devastating. What if everyone jumped on [Jets 3], interpreting that he wasn't mafia by your actions, and it turned out we elected mafia as mayor because of it? It is extremely unwise to attempt to lead the town pretending you have all the answers when in reality you know no more than anyone else.

And for what, exactly? The reactions of 2-3 people, a majority of them will probably end up being town anyway.

(quotes my previous post)

I know I left out the possibility of mafia but honestly this isn't a mafia ruse man. We'll know he's mafia if he tries to follow through on a lie tomorrow, if he doesn't he basically outed himself for a few cheap reactions. This is strictly a case of someone trying to imitate the failure strats of more popular players.

I'd still like you to claim though [Jets 3], I need to know I can trust you before I move ahead with my own plans.

Cartman: (quotes "2) You aren't Claw, because Claw isn't even in this game.")

Dude, are you blind! Claw is player number 31. Go check the player list.
If it wasn't for the fact that your role is a declared town role, I'd swear I was being attacked by scum here.

(quotes "your actions could have been devastating. What if everyone jumped on [Jets 3], interpreting that he wasn't mafia by your actions, and it turned out we elected mafia as mayor because of it?")

Or they could have saved the day. I have a strong feeling that McDaniels is scum and I can't say I really trusted the other 2 candidates either. If I'm right, then you are blaming me for trying to sway the vote off a scum, that was my whole intent.

[Jets 3]: Check your recent rep, Coffee.
GF
ACTION PLAN

I want us to find this Architect and take him out before he can gain too large an understanding of the game. After we figure out who he is we can kill him and use the Lawyer to doctor the hell out of his will.

He is evidently a player who plays often/ has read all the previous forum mafias.

He seems to write in well constructed sentences with plenty of punctuation but he slipped up here:
1. "here then any other"
2. He doesn't use commas before addressing people.
3. He will capitalise names but not the words mafia or town.
4. Abbreviation of Cit/Citizen to merely citi
5. Add any other language traits we can use to narrow the list

[Jets 3], can you please record in this thread the times he posted his messages.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...2938#post62938

I want him found!

[Jets 3]
Advanced Search results for keyword "citi" in the Forum Mafia category & Forum Mafia forum:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=40766

Analysis:

Outside of threads in our subforum and the Architect's post, the ONLY person who has used the abbreviation of "citi" publicly is Big Gay Al. However, Big Gay Al's other grammar and punctuation trademarks don't fit with those of the Architect; Al has relatively flawless mastery of the proper use of spelling, grammar, and punctuation, whereas the Architect is prone to omitting commas in his prose.

Al only used it in a single post.

Then again, the Architect's first post was the only one that had terrible punctuation errors; otherwise, he speaks a lot like Al. Going to continue searching keywords that I find unusual in the Architect's speech. Role names are particularly useful - my next try is going to be the use of "prostitute" as opposed to "enchantress."

Also, his safe word is a Pokemon reference. So we're looking for someone who at least feels amusement towards Pokemon, as opposed to frothing, anti-Poke hatred. xD


GF
Good job, man.

Maybe we can try searching for other simple phrases too and see what comes up.

I am still trying to figure out how to get the forum to display specific time beside messages not just "# hours ago". Maybe I'll just count backwards and correlate the times to posts in the elections and see what kindof a list comes up.

ps. I liked your 7:23 message.

Okay, the two players I know who like Pokemon are Ash and McPwnage. Ash aka Ash Ketchum. McPwnage played Barry in FM 7 and used a Pokemon avatar and I recall made some pokemon quotes during the game.

McPwnage is the most likely of the two.


[Jets 3]
When he creates lists, he uses numbers with close-parenthesis instead of bullets. He also breaks the list at each number instead of keeping it as a single paragraph.

He considers rep messaging to be cheating.

He didn't realize Claw was in this FM (so automatically, anyone who referenced Claw during the daytime is out).

The Architect is also prone to comma splices (FREQUENTLY - it's actually bothering me a lot). In fact, every grammar mistake he has made involves commas in some way, so look for someone who doesn't know how the fuck commas work AT ALL.

He doesn't capitalize any role names, ever - only proper names.

@[GF]: Lawl. Yeah, I'm getting into this whole text-analysis thing. There is never time to do this in SC2 Mafia, aside from as Spy or Citizen. It's a really powerful tool. He has yet to drop any REALLY distinct phrases, but his vocabulary is pretty good. He obviously wants to sound smart.

For post times, switch the thread view to Hybrid mode. You will get a list of the exact time every post was made in the thread. Useful tool.

As for Pokemon, Ash doesn't speak eloquently enough to be the Architect. I'm not familiar with McPwnage's grasp on grammar. I will log in as Lysergic and do some poking around. Doesn't help us if we don't know his in-game identity, though.


GF
Excellent.

The only use I thought of for identifying his real forum name was potentially identifying other language characteristics that we can then look for in FM posts.

[Jets 3]
As far as the McPwnage theory goes, I have the feeling it ISN'T him. McPwnage DOES share some lingual characteristics of the Architect, as far as some really strange word-choice goes and a general failure at using commas. However, he doesn't share other important traits. The Architect capitalizes all of his sentences and proper names - McPwnage notably doesn't consistently (it's about 50/50 as far as I can tell, though I might have had a bad sample of posts to choose from). Also, some of the word choice for McPwnage is REALLY strange. Quotes below for illustration.

Also, McPwnage has NEVER used the abbreviation of "citi" on COM.

Below, we see the characteristic comma splices of the Architect in one of McPwnage's posts. You can also see the lack of capitalization on Mafia-related terms, including role names. There is some unusual word choice with things like, "weakens them extremely" (odd word order), "gambit" instead of "gamble," etc.



In the post below, you can see his lack of capitalization of role-names (in parenthesis). However, it isn't consistent (given that this is a setup for his game, and has thus probably been more carefully proofread):



Another missing comma ("Man what a cliffhanger" should be "Man, what a cliffhanger"):



Below, we see the typical comma abortion that is a McPwnage post, as well as some minor typos (the Architect seems prone to them as well). Please also note the strange word choice, again - "godfather in the first rate," where rate is used instead of "place." Strange. Note the use of the number (10) instead of the word (ten). Interesting habit that he seems prone to.



Also, text analysis after watching Sherlock Holmes 2 is a terrible idea.

You know, you might actually be on to something with this McPwnage angle. The more I read of his posts, the more similarities I see in the strange-ness of certain qualities of the Architect's.

Comma, placed outside of the quotation marks rather than inside (as is proper).

[Jets 3]
It's not Liane, based on the way she writes. It doesn't seem like Al either, but I will further analyze Al's posts for clues. It's certainly not Wendy. Since [possible smurf] is your smurf, it's also not him.

Looking at Al's posts, then.

If it's Al, he's COMPLETELY changing the way he writes for his Architect chat, including the way he fucks up grammatically.

Thus, on to secondary candidates.


GF
Based on the Day 1 chat, I can add McDaniels and Tweek Tweak to the list and maybe Philip. I really hope it's none of these guys though. Big Gay Al continues to make almost perfect time-matches.

If it's nobody on the first list, it strongly suggests the Architect hasn't voted in the Election yet, which is odd.

[Jets 1]
Gonna throw this out there, since you guys didn't put him on the list: Timmy.



I don't know how to code quotes and it's not letting me fill out two quick reply buttons. But here's something Timmy said on Day 1, post #105:



Same number structure, and no spaces between the points. Just throwing it out there.


[Jets 3]
[Jets 1], thank you for pointing out Timmy. I will be CLOSELY scrutinizing his posts for more evidence.

[GF], it's funny you mention McDaniels, because I think he fits. I need to check his posts more closely to be sure, but he's HIGH on the suspect list for me. I have a feeling it ISN'T Tweek though. I will look at his posts just to be sure. Anyways, here are my thoughts on your secondary sources:

Jimmy has very distinct grammatical characteristics that the Architect does not seem to share. For example, instead of a full ellipsis, Jimmy uses only a double period (".." instead of "..."). He uses this A LOT, often INSTEAD of a comma or semicolon. He has trouble with apostrophes, and sometimes uses a double hyphen ("--") as a connector. When he uses commas, he seems to use them correctly. I doubt it is Jimmy.

Craig is unlikely. His grammar errors are mostly limited to fragments, small typos (a comma instead of a period and such - a single, incorrect keystroke from hasty typing), incorrect apostrophes, and inconsistent capitalization. The Architect has none of those qualities. I doubt it is Craig.

If it's Claridge, I will shit myself. Seriously. Whoever Claridge is needs to go back to elementary school and relearn the English language. I doubt it is her/him/it. Also, if I ever use that many ellipsis for any reason whatsoever, please kill me.

Gary... has only made 4 posts. This is too small a data set to make any significant conclusions. However, he does exhibit a few of the Architect's comma splices. He doesn't capitalize things like "lover," and has exhibited a couple strange diction choices. Gary is on the list of potential Architects, but low on the list for now.

I don't think it's Stan, based on his capitalization problems, distinct tendency to abbreviate longer words, and generally distinct style of writing.

Randy seems unlikely, but it's hard to tell based on the small sample size (15 posts, most of which were VERY in-character - RP fucks text analysis for the most part). He shows a bit of shakiness with the commas, but not enough to make me suspect him.

This won't work on Jimbo.

Ned seems unlikely. He has a VERY strong tendency to start his posts with an unnecessary, "Well," clause. Something like, "Well, let's see who _____," or "Well, I'm going to ______," and the Architect doesn't do that at all. Other than that, nothing in common in terms of how he speaks.

That's everyone on that list.

So the suspects are:

Big Gay Al
McDaniels
Timmy
Phillip
Gary


GF
Timmy did have a lose time correlation in some of the Day 1 posts so it's a good thought.



Given Doc's views on the rep messaging this quote may suggest against. Maybe we should look in the Day chat for people who voiced distaste over using the rep messaging system.


[Jets 3]
[GF], I agree about the rep system.

Also, take Phillip off the list. I would bet a million bucks it's not him.

Timmy only shares the list tendency. The comma one is by far the most pervasive, and should be the primary focus of our search. I have the feeling it isn't Timmy, but we shouldn't rule him out completely.

McDaniels is suspect numero uno in my book.


GF
It will be unfortunate if it turns out to be McDaniels, because he'll likely be elected Mayor, which will make him too risky a kill target. The best we could hope for then would be to use him as an additional investigation result were one of us to role-claim investigator. Additionally I suppose, knowing such a thing could be used to get the Mayor on side which would perhaps sway the mob in our favour.


[Jets 1]
Yo since we're guessing alternate identities in here, I figured I'd mention that Terrance is probably Auckmid. He keeps doing this shit where he says "are" instead of "our" lol. Post 289 in Day 1 for what I'm talking about. I've only played in one FM with Auckmid so I don't know how much of a threat he is based on his COM identity, but there ya' go.


[Jets 3]
If McDaniels gets elected, we should invest him. If we get a Vent result, we know for sure.

@[Jets 1]: I'm barely aware of Auckmid. Good info to have, though.


Kenny
Oh you guys are ridiculous lol...
And I thought I was the only grammar Nazi around here. xD
If it helps any, I am almost sure it's not McDaniels. I have already figured out his identity because I've known him for more than 3 years and I'm well acquainted with his speech patterns. He does not talk like Doc nor express the same sentiments. Personally, my first suspect is Al. It's clear he's a seasoned player, so we should not dismiss the possibility that he's actually changing his speech slightly to throw us off. It's hard to explain but I also get this "aura" that feels the same from both of them.

GF
Out of interest who is McDaniels and what role do you think he's playing?


Kenny
He is Zack. I do not know his role but I am almost sure he's a town role. Call it a gut feeling from a close friend if you must.


[Jets 3]
I'm about 99% sure that it's McDaniels. If it's not him, it's Al. But the way he talks is consistent with McDaniels more than Al.

Also, look at the log I was providing in the "[Jets 1]" thread for new posts that almost confirm it's either McDaniels or Al.

[Big Gay Al]

GF
We put the kill on Shelley, yet Timmy is dead.

What happened, Kenny, what happened?

Kenny
Heck, I'm as confused as you are. You gave the valid command on the other thread, right?
I didn't even get a notification that I was witched or manipulated by anything.

[Jets 1]
Holy shit, Timmy was a consig? Lol I guess there's a bus driver around here. Jimmy's invest result came up amnesiac, student, ghost btw.

[GF]
Kenny, I'm only going to ask this once.

If I find out you've lied to me, I will do everything in my power to find and kill the Shark Lover and guarantee your suicide and loss of the game.

Who did you try to kill last night?

Kenny
... Are you serious?
[Jets 3] gets killed and now you're pointing fingers at me that I must be the lover cause my kill didn't end up where it was supposed to? Really? What is this logic. Do you have a hobby of forcing your own Mafia member to the point of resignation like you did to [Jets 3]?

So the first thing you do when you see one of your own Mafia member's commands hit the wrong target is accuse her of being a lover and threaten her with killing the Shark's lover, who she doesn't give a rip about? Oh yeah, okay. Let me follow my orders as I did last night and suicide along with our team's lover when the Shark lover gets hit, so there will only be two members left. Great.

Man, I'd love to give the MVP award to the lovers, for not only managing to let both Mafia target each other but also stirring internal strife amongst a Mafia's own members. Open your eyes, [GF]. Your guess as to what happened last night is as good as mine. I can only say that the lover on our team probably leaked our plans and tried to cast suspicion on me by screwing up my night actions. Brilliant move, really. Kudos to lover, you've succeeded. Unless some town member power role got an angel's luck.

Whatever the heck happened last night, I can't believe the first thing you'd do is accuse me of treachery. Honestly

[GF]
MOAR SOLDERS

[Jets 1] says Jimmy falls under the category of:
1. Student
2. Amnesiac
3. Ghost

Given that the rep messaging system is apparently being allowed, I may use it to make contact with him and give him the ultimatum of joining us or dying.

Must the Student choose his mentor the first night, or is it possible that the Student is still yet to choose?

All correspondence will be made through my smurf account Barbrady.

I'm going to have a look at his posts next to try and get an indication of which of the roles I think he is.

Here's how I see it playing out:

1a) He is a student aligned with Town. Will likely bring about the death of my Smurf.
1b) He is a student aligned with Mafia. May/may not bring about the death of my Smurf.
1c) He is a student aligned with a Neutral. I may be left alone?
1d) He is a student who is mentorless. He will join us. WIN.

2a) He is an amnesiac and he will take the place of [Jets 3]. WIN.

3) He is a ghost and will do whatever he can do to piss us off and manipulate us into attacking him. Assumedly by not complying with 1 or 2.

With that in mind I will probably illustrate to him I have analysed his posts and believe him to be 1 or 2. I will then tell him if he doesn't join us that I will kill him the following night.

Thoughts/comments/suggestions?

[GF]
Why can't you believe it?

One of you three is up to no good. Why couldn't it be you?

You were sent for the kill and instead of our agreed target, somebody else ends up dead. Curiously both mafias lose a member, bringing the Lovers one step closer to victory. Yet you claim you were not witched, etc. Additionally, I am doubtful that the kill was mis-directed due to busdriving. The most logical remaining conclusion, is that you altered the Kill target. If you have an alternative explanation, I'd like to hear it.

If you are telling the truth, then you have nothing to fear.

My eyes are open, and I'm looking everywhere. Not just at you, even if right now you're the one in the shit.


Lol our mafia team is quite the little Brady Bunch, eh? I would relax for now [GF], honestly I think it's more likely that there was a bus driver than her redirecting her kill. You'd think if she was the lover trying to avoid Shelley (the only reason for that would be if they were the other lover) then she would've at least claimed she was witched. But she didn't. So bus driver seems like a pretty legit excuse right now.

Shelley has posted today, but she has not claimed being driven.

Additionally Stephen has claimed he was Bus-driven. That would suggest 3 people who would had to have been bus-driven.
- Stephen
- Timmy
- Shelley

Seeing as we have 2 drug dealers who didn't hit, it suggests there are 2 bus drivers out there. Yet we only have 1 person saying they were bussed out of 4 (be as it may, one of them can't speak for himself anymore).


(about Jimmy)
[Jets 1]
That sounds good, though you might want to let us know exactly what you plan on saying through the smurf rep. You don't want to come off too aggressive or else he might refuse out of spite. And we're down a man, so you don't want to risk that happening.

[GF]
Unfortunately, I am getting the Ghost vibe from all of his messages.

He seems to be accusing anything and everything in the hope he hits a nerve and gets attacked.


(after some time)
GF
Dear Kenny ala Loverboy,

This is the situation.

Should any ill befall [Jets 1], [Jets 2], or myself, then I will kill Mr. Hats and end this game permanently for you. If I am the one who dies, I have entrusted this duty to [Jets 1 to complete. Rest assured, I will carry out this threat. I would prefer to play this game my way, but if you do not comply then I will have no qualms uniting the mafias and taking on everybody if it's necessary to kill you.

Do what you have to to preserve our survival, because if one of us dies, you die too.

Regards,

[GF]
Ur Mofucking Godfather

[Big Gay Al]

-unvote Sheila

I have a feeling I know what you were saying before, Dust. I'm sorry I didn't see it.

I made a stupid mistake again, but this time it was for personal reasons. I'll set it right, though.

Cancel all gunplay kills. If I am right I have committed a grievous offense against this town and need some time to compose myself enough to set things right. I'll leave you with the night chats, but I am unsure of how undoctored they are at this point, with what I think I know now.

[Big Gay Al]

Here is from the first thread of the night. I have edited out the names of the mafia
This is what I have so far.
FYI Sharks 1 is Timmy
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Hello everyone! I'm Dust!
Sharks 1
Hello everyone! I'm [forum account]. My last (and only) experience as scum in FM # was... less than pleasant. However, I think I know what I need to do to get the job done, and I am optimistic about this game.

My strategy for day 1 is going to be to avoid trying to geeky elected, but not to the point where I'm refusing it and becoming suspicious. As for roles, I'll be whatever.


Sharks 2
Hi friends, [forum account] here. My own experience as scum was FM#, which too was less than pleasant. I'm hoping to turn things around this time. XD

Any preferences for roles?

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
What should be our daytime strategy? Ignore each other? Buddy with each other (WIFOM!)? What are your ideas?
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I'll be whatever is given to me.
Sharks 1
In general, I'd say it's best to ignore each other completely unless circumstances demand otherwise. Then again, it's best not to be entirely consistent about that, but people are better at noticing who talks to whom than who ignores whom.

One important word of advice: don't post large lists about who you think is what. It almost always gives away more than you want it to, even if you mean to be totally innocent with it.

As for roles, I think we should plan to give the most powerful role to the GF, since he's the only one who's confirmed not to be the lover. My feeling is that the kidnapper is the most powerful of our roles.

Regarding my own role, I'd be most happy being disguiser or consigliere, but consort's fine with me, too.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
[GF's name] should be the one who gives out the roles according to his impressions of people. We can say whether we dislike or like the list and state why. Now we just need to wait for him...
Sharks 1
That sounds reasonable.

It also occurs to me that kidnapper, consig, and escort all give us good ways of counterclaiming if we get investigated; disguiser does not. Moreovever, if someone gets investigated as disguiser/detect, the town will have a lot of incentive to lynch them right away. So maybe it's best for the GF to be that role.

It's up to [GF's name], depending on who he is and how comfortable he feels with that role. (Since disguiser is probably one of the hardest roles to pull off in FM, especially if the person you disguise as has a distinctive writing style.)

Sharks 2
I thought that the godfather can't take a role...

Sharks 2
Also, I would advise that everyone wait before picking an avatar (to act like you've barely touched your account before Day 1 started).

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
too late...
Sharks 3
Hey guys I'm [Forum account] although I'm a bit late.

Sharks 2
Well nice to meet you [Sharks 3].... this is your [#] Forum Mafia, right?

OK, now for the big reveal... what is the identity of our leader.


Sharks 1
By the way, an important piece of advice:

Once our roles have been picked, decide on what role you want to claim when you get pressured. Cit? The investigator counterpart of your role? Something unrelated?

Then brainwash yourself. Think about being that role; think about exactly how you would play in that role's shoes. It's very hard to do, because you have to ignore all the extra info you have as scum, and all the extra concerns you have.

One very, very important detail: When you post in the day chat, do not obsess over your role publically. Don't hypothesize about how things might be the result of your role-type's night actions. It's very easy to give your role (if not your alignment) away by what you choose to focus on during the day. Dust, for example, in the last game I had you marked down as a sinner from Day 1 because of how you were focusing on that role.

Another easy slip to make: If you're talking about something a mafia did at night, be very careful about revealing which mafia did it. That is, if our kill failed to go through, don't accidentally say "I wonder where the Sharks' kill is." Instead, you ought to say "I wonder why there's a missing mafia kill." That's how Shawna found out that Lionel was mafia in FMVII.

Sharks 1
Sorry for posting so much. I don't want to seem domineering; I just really want to be the first mafia team to win a game of FM. XD

I'm not sure how much hiding our reals names will be helpful, but in general I think it's a good goal to strive for. In the spirit of that, we should watch out for tells that others could use to find our real names:

[Sharks 3], I notice two tells that could give you away. You use "ppl" a lot more than anyone else, and you have a tendency to end the last sentence of a post without punctuating it.

Sharks 1
Oh, I just noticed that I made a huge mistake in my last post:

NEVER refer to each other by our real identities, even in night chat. We need to get used to thinking of each other as [Sharks 3], [Sharks 2], etc. If I ever made such a dumbass slip during the day and called [Sharks 3] "[Sharks 3's forum account]" publically, that would be the end of both of us.

GF
So I don't really want to give you your roles o.o

Disguiser: [Sharks 3]
Consigliere: [Sharks 1]
Kidnapper: Mr Hat
Consort: [Sharks 2]

I thought about 2 consorts, could be quite helpful?

GF
I will not tell you my real identity, because this is my [#] forum mafia

Sharks 1
GF, I think you get to give yourself a role, too. (Or am I remembering wrong?) The best part of having 2 consorts is that nobody will believe that False put two copies of the same role on one team. So once one consort goes down, the other will hopefully have better luck claiming escort.

I've had a crazy thought about disguiser: what if our disguiser tries to get elected mayor tomorrow, then disguises tomorrow night? It would steal away from the town some pretty powerful abilities... the only question is: would it be worth sacrificing our disguiser's attack so soon?

GF
Dunno I thought we just have 5 possibilites?

I am [Forum account] ;)

Sharks 1
(If you're telling us the truth, I think that makes you either [random forum account] or [other random forum account]. XD)

Sharks 1
Oh, hello [GF's forum account]. XD

Can I have some moneys? $

GF
We aren't allowed to lie in night chat, right?

Sharks 1
Anyways, I think your suggested role assignments look ok, with one modification:

Let [Sharks 2] be the disguiser, and [Sharks 3] the consort. Disguiser is a hard role to pull off, but [Sharks 2]'s a FM veteran who's proven himself several times, so I'd feel really good about having him in that role.

GF
Sure

Sharks 2
1) By all means, please talk all you want [Sharks 1]. Without a doubt, you're the most experienced player here and we all appreciate the advice.
2) As a general statement, I like to claim roles that AREN'T part of my investigation result. An obvious choice is doctor (very important to town and no way to prove self on own), but I often prefer to take a slightly less 'obvious' claim since claiming doctor seems a bit too obvious. Vigilante maybe? The way I see it, if the claim keeps me alive for one more day, it was worth it, so having everyone make me prove my role (which I can't do) at night might not be all bad.

Sharks 2
Sure, I'll take disguiser, but I'll definitely check my posts in here before posting in day chat. We have to take advantage of being able to post during the day, and I fully intend to....

GF
I will play like always and claim citizen, if I'm a target ;)

Sharks 1
The problem with claiming vigilante is that vigi's have a day shot in this setup, so you'd be expected to prove yourself immediately.

In general, if you're disguiser, any strategy that goes "I'm X, just let me live till tonight so I can prove myself" will be risky, since town knows that's exactly what a disguiser wants. In that situation, it would probably be better to claim that you were bus driver, and give our kidnapper's actions as your own (probably claiming to have driven yourself the night you got investigated).

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
*looks over the suggested roles*
Okay that sounds fine. [GF], are you really wanting consort? (You leave one consort for yourself)

Also, for the disguiser, I think that we should divvy up the possible disguiser options (players) to take notes on. Things to note for the disguiser are time they usually get on, style of posting, whether that person buddies or not, etc.

I'm really looking forward to this game. It's a pleasure and an honor to play with you fine gents.
GF
If I can have a role for myself sure. Guess I just didn't understand it
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
So this is what we have for roles so far:

[GF]: Consort
[Sharks 1]: Consigliere
[Sharks 2]: Disguiser
Mr. Hat: Kidnapper
[Sharks 3]: Consort

Once we have unanimity we should officially choose the roles. I see no problem with this and I will do my best as Kidnapper (if that's our final decision).

Any concerns about this list?
Sharks 2
No concerns, I think it'll be fine. Yay for not needing consig codes!

Sharks 1
I'm happy with those assignments too.

Do we need to PM FalseTruth with them, or something?

Sharks 1
Alright, so let's get this show on the road...

I officially choose Consigliere

It's an honor to be working with you folks. Good luck & have fun.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I officially choose Kidnapper

This shit just got real.
Sharks 2
I officially choose Disguiser

The time has come for the mafia to emerge victorious.... to arms my brothers!

GF
I officially choose Escort

im fat

GF
I officially choose Consort

Sorry

Sharks 3
so what's this officially choose stuff? Howcome things always happen when I'm away D:

Sharks 1
It's pretty much the way FM works. Unless you want to spend all day clicking refresh, important things are going to get said while you're away. In general it's not a big deal... the only thing to be worried about is getting lynched while you're away, but people generally wait for you to give a defense before hammering.

I just made the "officially choose" thing up. We have to choose our roles before the game will begin, so I wanted to make it clear that I was ready to go. Are you happy being consort?

Sharks 3
I'm fine with whatever is left.

[Big Gay Al]

Here is the entire thread for our plans for day 1
[Sharks 1]
In this thread, I'd like to discuss the possibility of trying to get one of our own elected to mayor or pardoner tomorrow. Both could be extremely advantageous in the long run, though obviously it would be an incredibly risky game to play.

One possibility is to use our disguiser to get the role. Once the disguiser is elected mayor, he can disguise as somebody random, retaining the extra votes/pardoning power, but no one will know where that power has gone to. (If he does this, then he has to be really careful, because he'll still have the extra votes and if that becomes apparent, he'll die for sure.)

Another option is to make good use of our busdriver: elect one of us as mayor, then drive him every night. In the future, our kidnapper can legitimately say that he was trying to protect the mayor. This way, the town would have a hell of a time trying to investigate the mayor to make sure he's a good guy, which is what I assume will happen for whoever gets elected.

----

Of course, the danger is that once the mafia-mayor gets exposed, everything could come crumbling down around us. It's pretty risky to put ourselves in the spotlight from the get-go. So the question is:

Is it worth it?

[Sharks 2]
I think that something we should definitely consider is what the town will look for when electing a mayor. I'm running through many potential strategies to get myself elected, but I always have to ask myself what I should be doing to get elected. In my opinion, the risk is far too high and the outcome has too much potential to be far less than favorable. However, I'm still open to the idea if we can flesh out a plan in the next few hours...

I do, however, like the kidnapper idea with the mayor. However, I think we could put it to even more use if the mayor wasn't one of us. I was thinking that we could switch our consig with the mayor every day so that the mayor always shows up as mafia, but the consig always shows up as whatever the mayor is (which still may be scum, but at least isn't one of us).

GF
I don't think we should really try hard to become mayor, I will try it anyways

[Sharks 2]
I have one question of the utmost importance to the survival of the Sharks..... what should I make my avatar? <3

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
choose one yourself. Just don't choose an avatar that looks like [GF]'s, [Sharks 1]'s, or my avatars. There's a whole lot of possibilities for you to choose from.
[Sharks 1]
You probably ought to chose an avatar for yourself. It's hard to imagine how, but if we have any input it might link us somehow.

For mayor, mostly I think the town will be looking for someone who seems really pro-town. What I'd do, if I were trying to get elected, would be one of the two following strategies: "I'm [Sharks 1 forum account] and a cit, so I'm the ideal situation for mayor: I'll be able to use it well, but if it gets me too much attention and I die, at least we won't be losing a power role." or "I'm an investigator. Now that I'm out, I'll need doc heals anyway, so it makes sense to give me mayor too in case there aren't many healing roles out there."


If the mayor isn't one of us, busdriving him won't be as useful, because he'll tell the town that he was driven. So if someone checks him and finds mafia, they'll want the busdriver to come forward with their targets.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
If one of us isn't the Mayor then I won't bus drive him. But I do have an idea to use the kidnapper to make us able to bypass heals: We aim to kill one of the lurkers or people who aren't likely to be targeted and I switch that person with our real target. That way, any player who is healing our target actually heals the lurker/non-target.

The only problem I see with this is that a lookout might watch our target and see me visit the lurker/non-target, but I can hopefully lie and say that I am a bus driver and I did switch the dead player with someone else (probably a lurker or someone who I can say I think is scum)
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Another reason to use my idea is that on the Kidnapper role card it says "the mayor is immune to bus drives" So our plan about the mayor won't work
[Sharks 1]
Awesome. XD


Then again, if you're ever pressured to claim, your driving decisions might need to make sense from the perspective of the town. We should probably keep your strategy in mind for when we're targeting someone high profile, or who we need to be absolutely sure will die.

Ah, and good catch.

[Sharks 3]
Wow I missed out a lot when I was sleeping. Ok [Sharks 2] I will try to change my writing style completely. Is that alright people?

[Sharks 2]
You mean [Sharks 1]... As far as posting habits go, just pretend that you're typing a college essay (no grammar errors, spellcheck used, etc.). Try to identify the quirks of your posts and remove them (ex: I use many ellipses in my posts). As a new player, you're hard to recognize, but you can still be identified and exploited.

[Sharks 1]
So I suppose the consensus is that we will not attempt to get one of us elected mayor?

In that case, I think it's best not to discuss what our voting plans are; we should try to make decisions as independently as possible.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
FYI this isn't day 1 specific but it fits in this thread. I was thinking as I was walking the dog earlier. I had an idea that would give the most chance for the mafia to finally win a FM.

The idea involves us asking the Jets to coordinate actions through our death note because dealing with 26 town plus the backstabbing lover would be hard for either team to win. The thing is, is that we can ensure the lover's obedience if we would take advantage of the "mafia" event. Here's how my idea goes into practice:

We kill someone with the death note (we actually don't need to use the death note if the lover speaks up) asking the Jets if they would like to coordinate actions for a joint win. If they accept then the lover would let us know. The lovers coordinate actions across both factions until both teams decide it would be advantageous to merge (this would be when we don't need 2 KPN each night). Each team would sacrifice two members (GF and another, we can decide later) so that we can merge through the event and really have a joint win.

After that, the clean up should be easy. And because the Factions would become one, the dead mafia could win with the living mafia as well.

What do you say to this?
[Sharks 1]
It sounds potentially like a good idea, but

1) It requires a lot of trust on the lovers' part, since for now they aren't aligned with us. They'd have to stay alive until we were able to trigger the mafia event, which is something we don't want to do until a few days into the game, at least.

2) Is FalseTruth ok with it? Planning to work together with the Jets is, for now, basically opposite of our stated win conditions, so I'd understand if False considered it equivalent to gamethrowing.

FT okays it

[Sharks 2]
It sounds like a good idea, but I think there are two problems to consider...
1) This event allows all 10 mafia to win. Though the Lover event only allows 8 mafia to win, it means that there will be 8 mafia instead of 6 AND it only requires 1 kill action to trigger (while the mafia event takes 4 kill actions to trigger). The point is that, though it may be more idealistic, it isn't as practical as triggering the Lover event. As a result, there may be others who are more inclined to support the Lover event...
2) It requires trust and communication with the Jets. Unless the Lovers reveal (see reason 1), communication will be difficult and anything we do will surely be watched and obstructed with by lookouts, detectives, doctors, bus drivers, etc.

My conclusion: let's wait and see how Day 1 goes before making a REAL conclusion.

PS: I might be tempted to log onto [Sharks 2 forum account] when Day 1 starts so that any observant people can catch me looking with my real account (as if I logged off of [Sharks 2] until Day 1 started).

[Sharks 2] (during day 1)
Gerald sees me as scummy (twitch twitch).... hmm, I guess I should look to find where the tell was?

[Sharks 1]
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Lots of random accusations are getting tossed around, and you have less to worry about than most of the rest of us. Gerald isn't a particularly credible accuser.

[Sharks 2]
For the future, here are some strong role claims if you don't want to claim your investigation pair:

-Sheriff (sheriff investigation pair involves 2 benign neutrals, sheriff results easy to make up)
-Doctor (doctor has no sure way to prove role, investigation pair involves 2 evil neutrals, GREAT IF EVIL NEUTRAL IS ARSONIST)
-Armorsmith/Gunsmith (investigation pair is arsonist, can easily fake giving items to dead people)

I, for one, plan on claiming Gunsmith or Sheriff if I need to claim.

Oh, and FalseTruth pretty much shot down your idea with the new rule (about the Mafia Event) Mr. Hat.

I have to say, things seem to be going well... I am contemplating running for Mayor tomorrow. I feel like I have earned the trust of many today, and I think I could potentially win pardoner if nothing else. A disguiser in a power role accomplishes 3 things. 1) As [Sharks 1] mentioned, I have the power to completely remove a role from the game. 2) I have the power to, if I can find the right role, frame someone with my death. 3) I have the power to, for 1 day, make completely anti-town decisions with the intent of disguising that night. I have many possible role claims that would allow me to survive until the night, and I believe that I have even set myself up to claim citizen if the need arises (reducing the odds of me getting roleblocked at an 'unfortunate moment). Of course, one must always consider the risk of being investigated, but I could still disguise on N2 if I felt unsafe, as [Sharks 1] suggested... Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Hey [Sharks 3], are you really leaving for a few days or are you just going into lurk mode? What do you think of everything?

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I see that. There was so much going for that idea, too.

Do you think I should post some more? Or just stay waaaaaay in the shadows with my small post count?

I'm straying towards lurking for the time being.
[Sharks 1]
Lurking seems fine to me; it'd also be more or less consistent with a bus driver role claim, later on, I'd think.

[Sharks 2]
Looking back at past forum mafias, we can determine 2 things:
1) The town has a great hatred for lurkers, and....
2) The town will do nothing about it

In other words, I'm sure they won't do crap, have a ball.

[Sharks 1]
Well, now it appears that we can use the rep system to send notes anonymously.

I have a very, very strong inkling of who someone is on the other mafia team. Should I drop him a line that Cartman isn't our lover, so they don't waste an attack on him?

(Also, btw, his supposed role list is too similar to ours... I think there's basically no way that False gave the same roles to both teams.)

[Sharks 2]
I don't think we should risk it. If need be, we can just leave a deathnote disowning Cartman. I think he's made it clear enough that he's lying, and the ruse is up.

[Sharks 1], can you find me an investigator ASAP? I'd like to make up a few phony investigation results when I disguise (for instance, we could say that Mr. Hat came up as a sheriff/executioner/jester to clear him).

[Sharks 1]
Working on it. You've got to be careful with what you say, though, in case it incriminates us instead...

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Who should I vote for? I'm leaning towards Tweek Tweak if he's a candidate.
[Sharks 1]
Of all the candidates, I think that Tweek and McDaniels are most likely to be town, and Butters is the least.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Plus it would be good for me to be consistent. I put my nomination on him and I will vote for him. It would make more sense than voting any of the other candidates
[Sharks 1]
The votes aren't going to be public, are they?

We should start planning for our night actions. I'm in favor of [Sharks 2]'s plan to take out an investigator right away. Who should I check tonight? Who do we think is likely to be a town investigative role, or who can we not read very well yet?

I'd like to know what Cartman actually is. He's probably masochist or ghost, but what if he's a town PR trying to hide behind a veil of scumminess?

Lastly, I still don't know what I think about who our targets should be. Our win condition right now is to take out the Jets... maybe we should be trying to do that.

If we kill all the Jets, and take out their lover last, does the game end right then with a victory for us?

[Sharks 2]
If the votes are public, I intend to vote for Big Gay Al (he is the popular choice). If the votes AREN'T public, I intend to vote for McDaniels (I think that there's a good chance that she isn't town).

As far as tonight goes, I think that:
A) I shall kill for us (probably someone like Jimbo)
B) [Sharks 1] should investigate someone who has a high chance of being an investigative role (look for the people that posted alot yet never hinted at their role, ran for mayor, or accused many people).
C) Mr. Hat should either refrain from using his ability or he should switch [Sharks 1] or myself with someone with a low post count (someone who might not talk or who gets ignored).
D) [GF] should roleblock Big Gay Al (with our 2 consorts, I highly doubt that the Jets will have a 3rd consort to do it for us).
E) [Sharks 3] should roleblock.... Jimmy maybe? Frankly, I'm still pissed that FalseTruth reused the name Jimmy (I died on night 2 as Jimmy in FM V because I was foolish enough not to use a vest I got on night 1) .

[Sharks 1]
Why do you want to block Al? Did he claim something that I've missed?

One of our consorts ought to block someone who seems rather scummy, so that if they have to claim escort later on their actions will seem justified.

As for what to do with our kidnapper, I like the idea of proctecting one of us from invests. It's probably just my normal paranoia, but I feel like I've made myself look a lot more scummy than any of the rest of you. So it'd be nice if I could be swapped with Stephen (or someone else who seems fairly likely to be town). Then if the BD ever has to roleclaim, he should say he swapped himself with Stephen on N2. (That way, no counterclaims will make him look scummy, and on the off chance that I got checked, the sheriff/inves will believe the read he got.) Or the same plan if we want to protect anyone else.

As for the election, I plan to vote for Clyde. Of all the frontrunners in the nomination, he's the one I'd most like to see getting mayor or pardoner.

[Sharks 2]
I want to block Al because I suspect that he is a PR. I can't remember if he ever specifically claimed PR (it is difficult, not being able to search the posts of individual people with the restrictions on accounts), but I certainly don't think he's a citizen. Then again, this is just another hunch, so I'm certainly open to other suggestions.

I pretty much agree with you on everything you said, and I will reconsider my voting (I think that, in the event that the votes AREN'T made public, we should all vote together to maximize the chance of our candidate being elected). [Sharks 3] and [GF] seemed to have avoided attention, and I have an easy way to escape, so swapping you is a good idea. I do worry about [Sharks 3] though: if what he said was true, then he won't be back on for another day or two and he may miss elections..... T.T

[Big Gay Al]

Here's the first real night. Why are there two night 1s?

Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]OK, so apparently voting is public.... in that case, I shall vote for Big Gay Al (a safe candidate of apparent worth who no one will criticize me for voting for). I advise that you all find other candidates to support so that we don't get caught in a group. Again, I worry for [Sharks 3]'s safety, so I must ask this question:
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Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I think that I'll vote for Tweek Tweak so that I seem to be consistent with my nomination.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 1
]I plan to invest McDaniels since I think he's a possible town investigative role.

I also suggest that we kill Kenny unless you've got other suggestions.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]Can [GF] become the mafioso himself? I'm guessing no....
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
[Sharks 1], I actually suggest that we kill Clyde. My notes on him suggest that he is scum, probably in the Jets. I don't understand why people trust him and if he is in the Jets then he will be gunning for us. If he is in the Jets then everyone who nominated him or said that they trusted him will be under suspicion.

[Sharks 1], I will switch you with Stephen, as you think that he is likely to be town. Another option is Bebe as no scum should ever do something like that.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat View Post
Well, I guess I will -Drive [Sharks 1] and Steven

Just so that I'm not caught unawares with the night ending or something.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 1
]I'm happy with killing Clyde, too. I agree that he's probably a member of the Jets.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 1
]If [GF] doesn't show up in time, can the rest of us agree to kill Clyde send [Sharks 2]? Or are we gonna lose two players to modkill and not get a night kill off?
Quote Originally Posted by [GF
]me so lazy
Quote Originally Posted by [GF
]who wants to be mafioso?
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Make [Sharks 2] the mafioso. Our disguiser shouldn't disguise on the first real night of the game.
Quote Originally Posted by [GF
]Btw. I'm soon a bit more active again.

MAKE [Sharks 2] MAFIOSO

kill Clyde send [Sharks 2]
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]Oh, it's mafioso for a night? I thought he meant for one of us to permanently turn into a mafioso... OK then, I'll do it.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Do we want a death note? If so, what?
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 1
][Sharks 2], make sure you submit the order to kill Clyde.

I can't think of much to do with a death note.

Our consorts might think about blocking Jimmy, Sharon, or Jimbo.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]Hmm.... should we disown Cartman?
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 1
]The only value I could see in that is keeping the Jets from wasting a kill on him. But then again, if he's a ghost, them killing him is a good thing.

If he wants to confuse the town with an implausible claim, I'm more or less happy to let him keep doing that.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]So FalseTruth, do we get any compensation if [Sharks 3] is modkilled?
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 3
]sorry guys I'm late.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 3
]ok so what are we talking about now? What do I have to do inorder not to get mod-pwned?
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 3
]who should I block? Any ideas on who the jets are?
[QUOTE=Mr. HatVote in the election[/QUOTE]
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 3
]it's night how am I supposed to vote?
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 3
]oh nvm
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 3
]whew disaster has been averted
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I don't know who you should block.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 3
]well now i can only type with my left hand
DAY 2
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN. WHY WOULD THEY ATTACK STEPHEN?!?
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]OMFG NOT [Sharks 1 forum account]!!! WHY!?!?

RIP [Sharks 1 forum account], we shall avenge you
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]My plan for today: chime in every once in awhile, but avoid posting more than a few times today. In other words, lurk but don't troll...
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]As of now, things are getting pretty heated around Wendy. As such, I highly suggest you all just lay low like me and post minimally. My plan is to maintain neutrality (without actually saying it, of course) and to avoid as much attention as possible by posting little, but also making my posts somewhat meaningful. I think that, at this rate, they will deal a great deal of damage to themselves before they ever even get a hint that we are who we are... also, I am contemplating making an offering of peace to the Jets in the next deathnote. After last night, both mafia are struggling, and any attempt to destroy the other mafia will likely bring about our own destruction by the town. I plan on giving it a day or two before we again turn our focus to the Jets...
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Ya know, that sounds like my plan, too.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I'm sitting here lurking and watching people ask each other if they're Dust and seeing them reply "No, but X is" and it's so funny.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Now this IS interesting. I have enough influence to get someone to claim a role in the next post after mine. We'll have to see where this influence gets us later on in the game.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
So Bradley is lying. He said that his night 1 action was to repel Cartman. When you look at the prostitute role card it says "and" not "or" for the actions. He either is keeping the lure secret or is lying. I am more convinced that he is lying. Should I bring this up?

I feel that doing that would bring a lot of attention to me and I don't want attention at all.

I need to know if the risk is worth the reward.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I'm going to do it. I hope this works.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Damn, things are NOT looking up for us. Consigliere killed because the other mafia targeted the sheriff that checked our disguiser. This day is not good for us at all.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]I haven't actually read that far, but I'll probably claim citizen if the need arises...
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
You might want to stall until the day ends so that you can disguise as someone and discredit Stephen. That will be hard because the day still has about 3 real life days in it to go.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]Yeah... I advise pushing hard for the Bradley lynch. I can defend myself against Stephen, but I'm still contemplating a roleclaim... Citizen (credible), or something where I could 'prove myself'.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]Sadly, the vig kills before I disguise T.T
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Damn
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]When I come back later, I'm gonna claim in day chat. Any suggestions? So far, I plan on claiming citizen, discrediting Stephen, discrediting Gerald, and justifying my actions. Tonight, I need you (Mr. Hat) to switch me...
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I will do as commanded.
Quote Originally Posted by [Sharks 2
]Thank you very much: you're (literally) a lifesaver. We could use this opportunity to make the vigilante shoot someone 'unexpected', or we could bring suspicion on the guy who got the gunsmith's gun...

[Big Gay Al]

Here's some more pre- and post- lover claim

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
It is an opportunity that we should take. Sorry for seeming to be against you in the day chat. I need to fit in.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Don't sweat it: the double lynch idea presents a... scary obstacle, but I am confident that the vigilante won't kill today, so I only have to ensure that; A) McDaniels doesn't use her lynch, or B) Someone gets lynched instead. Also, the jailor 100% can't be allowed to jail me... If all of this can be averted, I'm home-free. Until then, take anti-me stances.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
The site going down really screwed up my plans T.T now I don't have my comp with me to make my epic post...
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Well, it looks like my time has come. As a last resort, would you mind letting me see some of your guy's notes so I can act like a 'vigilant citizen' who analyzes every post? I don't plan on posting everything: just enough to maybe convince someone of my innocence...

Hmm... The 2 times I was scum, I was investigated on the first possible night: I really need to find why that is...
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Well, does anyone have anymore ideas? I've got Barbrady to back me up and I tried to imply executioner with the FM II reference, but people wanna lynch me to know the truth now.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
OK, I seem to have caught a break. Regardless, I ask that you bus drive me if I should be jailed. If I volunteer to be jailed and investigated, I can have my name cleared by tomorrow.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
By the way, I now have almost undisputable evidence that Chef is, in fact, the Jets lover. I suggest that you take great care lover, if you wish to survive.... Hmm.... Mr. Hat or [Sharks 3]? This is the question.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
How did you get some rep? The two reps that I got had no messages and were for my pointing out the lie of Bradley's claim.

I am curious. What is this evidence? And our lover could be you, too. You or [Sharks 3].
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
It's part of the notes I've been compiling to fake citizen... He says he knows I'm mafia because 'he's got a feeling' about me... AKA I know because my lover told me that Sharks 2 is mafia.

I'll be out: please remind everyone that it's New Years Eve since I won't be home for a few hours more... I don't want to come home shot.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
I did get rep.... Hmm, I'll check it later. Be back soon...
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I will do my best to dissuade people from shooting you while on a holiday.
THIS IS AFTER US LOVERS CLAIM
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
:P I bet you didn't see that coming.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
The Jets godfather just lost the game for you all. Blame him. I was planning on staying secret for a while now. His threat made it necessary for Kenny and me to claim. You must understand that this is not personal in any way and I respect all of you. Sorry that we had to do this to you due to events out of your control.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Yeah, Zane, I've been seeing other people. I hope you understand, my love.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Well, I suppose that [Sharks 1] and I were wrong.... curses. Oh FM God, why must I be so cursed! Why is it that the mafia must fail whenever I am one of them!? Oh please, remove this dreaded curse from me!
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
I suppose that we kinda killed ourselves, though. Ah, so many unfortunate mistakes and happenings.... the lover mechanic was cool, but it clearly needs to be refined. I suppose that this is the price of experimentation...
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Keep all suggestions to yourself [Sharks 3] and [GF]. We won't speak until the day is over.... try to hammer Bradley ASAP.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I guess I will unvote then
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Mr. Hat, we may have lost ourselves, but we still have the power to destroy you. I HIGHLY suggest that you vote up Bradley if you and Kenny wish to live...
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
How do you plan on killing me?
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
You cannot target me. Part of the mafia!
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Also I have the town's support. I see no way for you to get at me lol
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
If need be, I will +rep one of the Jets (its amazing what you find when you actually take notes) and tell them of our plans....

It is clear that I will die today from McDaniels double lynch (that is, unless you lynch Bradley fast enough). If I should die, I have a last will which will be used to plot with the Jets to plan your demise....
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
We have a lawyer. We can forge your last will to death. You will die anyway to the vigilante and we can forge it to something, a little more helpful for the town.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Then I shall reveal before I am lynched and make my plea without a will. You also forget, the lawyer can only forge a will at night. If I am to be lynched, Kenny won't have a chance and your demise shall be planned. This can all be averted if you just vote up Bradley...
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Also, you forget that we have a neutral killer who will stop at nothing to see you dead. If it is a Spree killer, you are already dead. If it is an arsonist, than we shall capitalize on the opportunity to see you destroyed....
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
You are the reason that [Sharks 1] is dead! You make me sick.... I pray that you and Kenny enjoy the rest of your life together: we shall ensure that it is a short life.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
You forget that we have the town on our side. If you plan on revealing the rest of the mafia so that us lovers cannot win, then I suggest that you don't do that. FT would consider that game-throwing.

They neutral killer could never want to see us dead. A revealed mafia gives the town so much more power.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
You forgot that the town can't communicate without revealing... they can't coordinate your protection. We will find a hole in your defense and kill the traitors...
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
YOU forget that we have any doctors on me with any bodyguards switching between the claimed town roles with the possibility of protecting me
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
I suppose you can't know if we can pull it off until you're dead.... if need be, I'm sure the godfathers would be willing to sacrifice themselves to kill you guys... -suicide ftw :P
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Wouldn't that be considered game-throwing because they lose in that event?
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
OK [Sharks 3] and [GF], switch to rep chat from now on. Let's give Mr. Hat a taste of what it's like to be 'in the dark'...
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
It's sort of hard to do that ya know. There's a limit on the size of the message and you can't give more than 2 rep per person per some amount of days. Good luck with that
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
It's amazing how much you can summarize in so few words...
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
It's amazing how much is lost when sentences are condensed....
Night 2
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
-Drive Kenny and Sharks 2

trololololololol
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Kill Self, Send Self

TROLOLOLOLOL
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
^ Because '-suicide' just won't cut it in this situation...
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
you don't even know if that's what I'm going to actually do. You can kill yourself. I don't care
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
You do realize that we're all screwed, right? Even if you survive tonight, the town will probably see to it that you die sooner or later: their 'support' will be short lived.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Why do you think I'm keeping information hidden. They will NEED us lovers alive to get to all of you.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
If that was the case, then how is it that the mafia have yet to win a game despite the lack of lovers to do the town's bidding? I don't think you're keeping information, but I certainly shouldn't openly discuss my plans in the midst of my enemy (who has been discussing my own destruction with a member of a rival mafia)... Dust, I'll harbor no ill feelings towards you after this game: I respect you as a player and as a friend. However, it is my duty to destroy you, my enemy, when the time is right, and to let you know how is counterproductive... I'm sure you could guess if you really wanted to.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
The feeling is mutual. I can guess but I won't. I don't want to inadvertently give you an idea.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
lol

You can tell me in dead chat: I doubt it'll be long before we are reunited there...

[Big Gay Al]

This is it for the Sharks. I told you they aren't as talkative as the Jets.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Well, I wish you luck on your goal of my destruction when nothing you can do can stop your loss. You may want to attack some of the town, they will be very strong after this night unless you do something.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Don't forget: I'm screwed unless I disguise. A townie will die tonight, you can be assured of that... Also, I'm sure the Jets are plotting, and they may have greater methods of removing the town from the equation.
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
I will neither confirm nor deny anything about the Jets. You may speculate as much as you want.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
And I shall. However, I'll wait a bit since at least 80 of these 100+ posts are between us... [Sharks 3] and GF can't be AFK forever.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
So... A dead Shark, Jet, and Witch coupled with a revealed Shark and Jet lover pair attempting to kill the last 6 mafia... Unless this neutral killer is amazing at FM, the town pretty much has it in the bag. That's too bad too... I was really proud of escaping a lynch today.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Well, it's been 4 days since either [Sharks 3] or GF last posted here... that tends to make it difficult to win. Can I request a modkill or something FalseTruth? Time is ticking, and I don't intend to lose because half of the remaining Sharks are AFK. No, I'd rather lose because Mr. Hat has the power to destroy us...
Quote Originally Posted by GF
two accounts are annoying
Quote Originally Posted by GF
I will destroy you WOAAAAAAAR
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
lol I don't use my main account during forum mafia. So GF, please respond to the rep.
Quote Originally Posted by Sharks 2
Aww screw it. I guess there isn't really anything you can do about it now anyway.....

I think it's pretty simple how we kill Mr. Hat: just roleblock him. We have 2 consorts, so we roleblock him and make the vigilante actually shoot Kenny. So.... can you do that? lol
Quote Originally Posted by GF
I can do many things
Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
oooh what a scary plan that you guys have. I'm so scared!
Consort can't block me. I'm in the same mafia as they are.
^^
Turns out that was wrong as shit.

[Big Gay Al]

Stan, I want you to rep me who you investigated N2.

[Big Gay Al]

And Wendy, if you aren't lookout, now is the time to come clean. This is about finding the liar in our random power role list. One of the claims thusfar cannot fit into the dimensions of this game.

[Token]

Uh.

Mark my words: town can't win due to all the fuckups you bitches made already.

[Cartman]

ilt
^disguiser check

So you are going to tell me that they didn't give you all the mafia names and roles? And you had to deduce everything for yourself?

Unless someone changed the rule since I last asked:
Can the lovers reveal all names and roles and actions of all mafia in jail chat and coffee chat?

Who did you talk to last night anyways?

also, anything thinking Big Al is suspicious is just retarded. He is 100% Architect that I can confirm based off rep messages sent while I talked to him.

[Big Gay Al]

False has "hidden rules" behind the scenes. I learned a lot of them last night.
Apparently the Lovers are forbidden to reveal mafia names or com identities in night chat as well.

I talked to Mr Hat last night.

I still think Jason should be shot, if only to see if the Shark's chat has been meddled with as well.

The rules I know of:
1) Apparently the Lovers are forbidden to reveal mafia names or com identities in night chat as well.
2) Mafia can target themselves with offensive actions despite not being able to attack themselves(Found that out like 5 minutes before day ended, thanks False).

If I really had to guess, I'd say the Lovers were being intimidated last night, it's already clear that they can be due to yesterday, as they vouched for Victoria because he threatened to out a "plan" in his last will to kill them.

[Cartman]

I asked the question in green because I too asked that question while I was jailed, and got the exact opposite answer. Also another rules that require clarification.

Role settings says Jailor removes mafia night chat, you told me he doesn't. What is the official answer now? Can jailed mafia still talk to mafia as well as jailor at same time?

who else did you talk to last night Big Al? Also, I'd appreciate a COM claim from you due to rep I'm getting, not sure who it is from.

[Big Gay Al]

I am TheJackOfSpades.

[Big Gay Al]

I asked the question in green because I too asked that question while I was jailed, and got the exact opposite answer. Also another rules that require clarification.

Role settings says Jailor removes mafia night chat, you told me he doesn't. What is the official answer now? Can jailed mafia still talk to mafia as well as jailor at same time?

who else did you talk to last night Big Al? Also, I'd appreciate a COM claim from you due to rep I'm getting, not sure who it is from.

I am not allowed to tell you the names of the mafia. FT will neither confirm nor deny this. You may believe me or disbelieve me. I am under the threat of modkill if one mention of the mafia's names appears in these chats. I am telling you the absolute truth.

No. FT wants this to be a good game so he forbid us to give out the names of the mafia once we claimed. We had a long discussion. He was dissuading us but we had done what we had done so we are going through with it even if we cannot tell the names.
This is what I was told.

[Philip]

my head is actually hurting after trying to read this wall of text all in one go, i'll go lay down. doctor have you got any aspirin aboot?

[Cartman]

Mafia can lie to you bro, when in doubt, ask the question in green. He won't correct any mechanics mistakes that people say unless he is asked.

in other words, we can lie about mechanics all we want and get away with it if no one asks him.

[Big Gay Al]

my head is actually hurting after trying to read this wall of text all in one go, i'll go lay down. doctor have you got any aspirin aboot?
Hence why I did not want to post it all. Discussion is at a standstill until you guys have caught up to me.

Anyway, I would like to hear from Kyle, from Jason, from Sheila.

Step forth lurkers who I barely remember existing after day 1.

[Cartman]

Also, here is another question I have:

When does this rule come into effect?

Any abuse of lurking and trolling will not be tolerated. You can do that as part of a strategy as long as you maintain your interest in the game and do not purposely damage your current faction by doing so. If this occurs, your account will be replaced with a reserve player.

Is it checked each day?

[Token]

@ cartmans disguiser check: ilt: i like trains.

yayap/fred is the jailor?:D

[Big Gay Al]

Mafia can lie to you bro, when in doubt, ask the question in green. He won't correct any mechanics mistakes that people say unless he is asked.

in other words, we can lie about mechanics all we want and get away with it if no one asks him.
Well if that's the case, and it turns out they were lying to me, I think it best if we string them up to reduce KPN. I believe I know enough to hurt the mafia pretty bad.
All the mafia has is two consorts, a drug dealer, and a consig. The disguiser is done, the ventriloquist has no inherent ability. Assuming Jason IS a consort, we're really only dealing with some pretty mediocre mafia roles. I'll be able to construct a much better defense grid if I only have to worry about the town.

If they aren't lying, I would prefer to stick to the honor of my agreement.

[Cartman]

From what I see, we have no way to protect 2 lovers. If one mafia is role blocking the kidnapper then both mafia can target the lovers just to bring them down with them.

[Token]

mafia doesnt want lovers dead anyway

that would leave 6 of them and 1 kpn, they dont want that.

[Cartman]

mafia doesnt want lovers dead anyway

that would leave 6 of them and 1 kpn, they dont want that.

They will want them dead just to make them loose with them. If the lovers decide to actively help town then yes, they want them dead.

[Token]

but why would they lose just for the sake of lovers losing? Imo they killed the 2 most important roles tonight, they are definitely in a very good shape despite being compromised, and still will very likely win.

[Cartman]

but why would they lose just for the sake of lovers losing? Imo they killed the 2 most important roles tonight, they are definitely in a very good shape despite being compromised, and still will very likely win.

If the lovers are helping us, the chances of mafia winning just dropped to near 0%. They would kill the lovers just for that. They were hoping that a vig would kill Kenny last night. Thus the attack on town instead. They are already gearing up for a combined mafia. Which means they now want an event to happen just to ruin the Lovers chances as well.

[Token]

merging now would probably lose them the advantage.
6
mafia
1
KPN

they would have no chance. Now? 2 kpn, all power roles claiming like derps, take your pick

[Cartman]

With the lovers giving out info, mafia are going to be all exposed and the KPN won't matter. Basically, this game is over, just a matter of find out who all looses with the mafia.

[Cartman]

As for Victoria being disguiser, I'm still not 100% convinced. Disguiser could have been McDaniels and killed the real Prostitute. Mafia would shoot Victoria just to make it seem that everyone that claimed to have info about him yesterday was right and would be cleared.

I must agree that there is a high chance that Victoria was, but I'm not going to ignore the slim chance that she wasn't.

[Cartman]

Btw, you say that there are 2 consorts, who was roleblocked day 2 other than Gerald? Was it really Big Al?

[Big Gay Al]

I was lured last night, just saying.

[Big Gay Al]

Tweek, I'd also like to have a word with you, if you don't mind.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Please wait, Event in progress.

[Forum Mafia GM]

When the disguiser kills, will his role show up as : a disguiser or the role he killed?(assuming he wasn't cleaned)
The role he killed.

[Forum Mafia GM]

yeah False nice mechanics we're having this time around. what if we decided to lynch the dude who was shot?:P
Too bad.

[Forum Mafia GM]

This discussion heated up, literally. Two people burst into flames and were carted out of the proceedings. The audience was completely rattled, but continued on with the discussion.

Then soon after, another man was shot in the head and dragged out of the area.

[Gary]

What just happened? Modkills?

[Cartman]

Arson burn I think.

[Tweek Tweak]

Tweek, I'd also like to have a word with you, if you don't mind.

Not at all

[Tweek Tweak]

What just happened? Modkills?

Looks like it.

[Kenny]

I love how we've had 4 people die in day chat and even though we're "totally rattled," we decided to go on with the discussion anyway.
I'd suggest everyone talk, so we can figure out exactly who died. Even a "hi" will suffice.
Those reluctant to talk will likely be the Mafia members trying to stir confusion amongst the town, keep that in mind.

I sincerely hope those were modkills, not the arsonist. Because if we have an arsonist in our midst, the Mafia will not hesitate to kill us tonight, even if it means forsaking their KPN, knowing they have another ally for a few days.

Wendy, I realize you suspect that I'm a smurf. I cannot say anything to you, unfortunately, that will prove me otherwise, as I might get burned myself by divine judgment. I changed my behavior from Day 1 to Day 2 because I realized my life was in imminent danger. This entire game has now fallen to a game of trust exercise. Will you catch me when I suddenly fall? Or will you not? (Actually I don't know how popular this is. I know it was popular in my school for whatever odd reason back in middle school. Does anyone know what I'm talking about by "trust exercise"? Lol.)

[Towelie]

Don't even know what is going on anymore. There is way too much information in this night chat to be fake though. Also, if Kenny is somehow not a Lover, real Lovers should claim now.


[Jets 1]
Awwwwww but [Jets 3] is always the one that hates the group's schemes and tries to get out any chance he gets. If you had left, and Kenny got killed tomorrow night, we'd be doing the show justice.

Oh well, fine, I guess you can stay.
^Who is this...

Still reading.

[Towelie]

And by who is this, I mean which characters always hates the schemes and tries to get out any chance he gets?

[Towelie]

^Character*

[Cartman]

What part of "burst into flames" do you guys not understand..

Did the Arson ignite those people or were they modkilled?

[Gary]

I would think it's Kyle, but BGA said that Jets 3 was Clyde.

[Forum Mafia GM]

What part of "burst into flames" do you guys not understand..

Did the Arson ignite those people or were they modkilled?
Arson... DERP! Also one person was shot.

[Mr. Hat]

That's a lot of death

[Kenny]

Arson...
Oh my goodness. This game just got more complicated.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Can jailed mafia still talk to mafia as well as jailor at same time?
Yes.

[Mr. Hat]

Hopefully the arsonist burned a mafia or two and the gunshot was also directed at mafia.

[Forum Mafia GM]

ilt
Can the lovers reveal all names and roles and actions of all mafia in jail chat and coffee chat?

Yes for roles and actions, but there may or may not be other constraints that could result in a modkill.

[Mr. Hat]

Told you he wouldn't confirm or deny it

[Forum Mafia GM]

Also, here is another question I have:

When does this rule come into effect?


Is it checked each day?
I may have already sent out a warning to people who are lurking. If they do not post soon/send action/write last will, they will be modkilled.

[Towelie]

Tweak is not-Jet.
Oh wow yeah if this is accurate Butters is mafia.
Still reading.

[Mr. Hat]

I can reveal that [Jets 3] is Clyde because he is dead. You need to find Jets 1, 2 and the GF. You may or may not have found some of the Jets already.

[Mr. Hat]

And yes that transcript is accurate

[Tweek Tweak]

Tweak is not-Jet.
Oh wow yeah if this is accurate Butters is mafia.
Still reading.

The mafia logs have basically confirmed me as town.

[Forum Mafia GM]

A note was found laying right next to the area around the incinerated bodies. It read: You killed the witch. You must pay the ultimate price.

[Craig]

So much information floating around. My head is spinning about....And does that mean there was a second witch?

[Mr. Hat]

No, there is an arson who is butthurt about the witch's death

[Cartman]

So, I am still here, lookout was already dead. Who else was responsible for the witches death?
Is he referring to Liane being Yapyap?

[Mr. Hat]

I hope that BGA didn't die to that attack...

[Cartman]

Haven't seen him post since... :sad:

[Gary]

We need to figure out who died. Please speak up, everyone who's living.

I think it's very likely that BGA did die from that attack.

[Sharon]

I'm alive, and quite shaken up, my good townsmen. I honestly expected an easy win after night one, with the mafia killing each-other and then actual lover claims, but I feel that most of these sudden deaths are likely to be fellow townsmen. Luckily, we do have all of the mafia's private chats, so we still do have a good chance at scumhunting the rest of them down.

Bebe has started acting differently, and Mr. Hat's hint seemed to well, hint, at Bebe. I may drop this lynch to pursue a better one of it appears.
-vote Bebe

[Mr. Hat]

Please use your head
I said half-dead
Because it rhymes with shed

[Jimbo]

Im still around so that last shot was probs aimed at scum unless something very tragic happened.

[Token]

im alive. we have 2 vigis? or a modkill?

well now it's safe to say town lost....

[Forum Mafia GM]

PLEASE WAIT EVENT IN PROGRESS!

[Forum Mafia GM]

A person walked up the podium, ready to announce something of importance. But, before he could shoot, something was thrown at him!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hw3i-DS9ss&feature=related

Then, a gunshot rang out amongst the crowd. Another death; more chaos.

[Cartman]

I'm still alive!

[Mr. Hat]

So am I!

[Sharon]

What?
Holy shit, what the hell is going on?

[Mr. Hat]

I really hope that these people with the guns were town and that they knew where to aim them. I counted up the claims and the number of day shots =/= possible vigilantes.


...
Gunsmith

[Cartman]

hmm... what is the number required to lynch now?

[Mr. Hat]

Gunsmith, give me some guns. I know where to aim them.

[Cartman]

Gunsmith, give me some guns. I know where to aim them.

Hell no!
if both GFs are dead then you are mafia.

[Towelie]

I hate everything.

Okay, looking at night chat, Terrance is the shark who failed the death note grammar.

[Jets 1]
Yo since we're guessing alternate identities in here, I figured I'd mention that Terrance is probably Auckmid. He keeps doing this shit where he says "are" instead of "our" lol. Post 289 in Day 1 for what I'm talking about. I've only played in one FM with Auckmid so I don't know how much of a threat he is based on his COM identity, but there ya' go.

Also

Since [possible smurf] is your smurf, it's also not him.
Smurf is male.

Still reading.

[Mr. Hat]

Okay, how about this: if two GFs are dead, don't give me guns. Otherwise, give them to me.

[Mr. Hat]

Towelie, in our lover claim, Kenny and I admitted that we made that mistake on purpose to frame Auckmid.

[Chef]

Hell no!
if both GFs are dead then you are mafia.
this would have triggered the event, and it would be announced i think

[Forum Mafia GM]

hmm... what is the number required to lynch now?
14 Votes required to Lynch!

[Craig]

The bodies continue to pile on top of each other.

[Towelie]

Ah. That thought occured to me. Well done.


[Jets 1] says Jimmy falls under the category of:
1. Student
2. Amnesiac
3. Ghost

Jimmy needs to claim.

[Mr. Hat]

Do you see why I said to ignore Jimmy?

[Towelie]

All correspondence will be made through my smurf account Barbrady.
Was this a censorship slip <_<

[Mr. Hat]

It must have been. In any case, the Jets GF has denied that Barbrady was the smurf. Adding to the WIFOM. It's not in there but Kenny told me that he did so.

[Chef]

It must have been. In any case, the Jets GF has denied that Barbrady was the smurf. Adding to the WIFOM. It's not in there but Kenny told me that he did so.
so the vent's mates dont know the smurf account..interesting

[Mr. Hat]

Yea. The Jets started out on rocky ground, trust-wise. That's why the Jets GF did that.

[Towelie]

Oh wow, that's wierd as hell the GF called you out out of thin air.

[Jimbo]

Still here for the time being. Since everyone knows my alignment I'm not going to last long though.

[Towelie]

Jets 1 = Butters
Jets 2 = ?
Jets 3 = Clyde
GF = ?
Smurf = ?

^If someone can help me fill this out, please do.

I gotta take a shower and go to the dentist but I'll try to read a bit more before I leave.

[Jimbo]

Big Gay Al, are you still around? I want to hear if you've formed a new opinion on Butters.

[Mr. Hat]

I think he's dead.... T.T

[Jimbo]

I think hes just playin dead. I seen some animals do it and I shot em up to be sure and sure enough they still squealed anyways.

[Cartman]

I say we lynch Jimmy, I'll hammer since he is most likely the ghost and I don't mind having more people trying to kill me.

[Cartman]

of course, that is if he is still alive. After that bloodbath, who knows.

[Jimbo]

Why the fudge do we give a shit about some Ghost? Lets lynch more mafias instead. The sooner their population is cut down to zero the better.

[Mr. Hat]

Couldn't have said it better than Jimbo

[Cartman]

then point me in the right direction. Until we know which mafia are alive and which ones are dead, I dont see why mafia would just not post anything today and fake dead.

[Jimbo]

then point me in the right direction. Until we know which mafia are alive and which ones are dead, I dont see why mafia would just not post anything today and fake dead.
Oh gee well maybe they is doin it to avoid a lynch. Ever think of that?

[Mr. Hat]

They would lose all communication in the mafia chat. I am monitoring the Sharks chat and Kenny should be monitoring the Jets chat for anyone viewing. I think that would be a good start.

[Cartman]

Oh gee well maybe they is doin it to avoid a lynch. Ever think of that?

Yes, I know that... that is my point. Why would they not do it.

[Cartman]

They would lose all communication in the mafia chat. I am monitoring the Sharks chat and Kenny should be monitoring the Jets chat for anyone viewing. I think that would be a good start.

too bad you can't hint to who they are!

[Mr. Hat]

True, but if someone does come by the Sharks chat I can say something like "the Sharks GF is still alive" or something along those lines. I don't need to reveal names in order to get information across

[Jimbo]

I got a hunch somethin not very appropriate happened today. Most town power roles is dead and the mobs lookin to merge.

[Mr. Hat]

Do you know what scares me? I see Kenny in the FM section of the forum but she's not posting! I wonder if I will suicide by the end of this day...

[Mr. Hat]

Kenny, please post and prove that you are alive!

[Towelie]

Oh balls...

Okay, well Butters is pretty much confirmed mafia, I'm sure if I look closer I can deduce exactly who isn't a Jet and that should narrow things down. I'll do that tonight, I want to read the Shark chat for now.

[Jimbo]

Big Gay Al speak up you big faggot. I wanna know if you got sunburns or somethin.

[Stan]

What is this the Wild Wild West side story?

[Mr. Hat]

I am now thinking that I am a walking dead man. If I find out that one of the town killed Kenny then I will have a grudge against you for each and every FM. I don't care if we are on the same team or not. If I find you, you will die.

[Towelie]

Stan doesn't help his case by being useless.

Token is being dumb or scum.

Craig is probably smurf.

[Stan]

I thought we have night/days circle how can the arso have 2 people doused and incinerated with 2 night actions? öÖ

[Jimmy]

I say we lynch Jimmy, I'll hammer since he is most likely the ghost and I don't mind having more people trying to kill me.

While I am grateful to be among the living. I would rather not die. I was fishing for responses by acting like a fool. Although, admittedly after all of the events that have occurred over this day. I cannot draw any conclusions from the reactions of which. I think first and foremost we have to determine who did not survive.

[Towelie]

Jimmy claim, you're confirmed neutral.

[Stan]

Stan doesn't help his case by being useless.

Token is being dumb or scum.

Craig is probably smurf.

It's kinda hard to help if you see like 5 day shot kills and no corpses. I didn't shoot anybody that's all i can say to help.

[Mr. Hat]

Jimmy, if you are the student I know who you chose as your mentor. I'm telling you right now. I warned you not to.

[Stan]

The new movie after 2 girls 1 cup, 2 Weaponsmiths 1 Krupke ? xD

[Towelie]

It's kinda hard to help if you see like 5 day shot kills and no corpses. I didn't shoot anybody that's all i can say to help.
I'm town so its pretty easy for me.

At least fake it?

[Forum Mafia GM]

What is this the Wild Wild West side story?
I lol'd

[Cartman]

I want Jimmy dead today! If anyone has any better idea, I'll listen. But I'm not gonna let this idiot ruin our attempts to find the Ventriloquist again!

I'll hammer in case he is ghost.
If he is student or amnesiac then he is helping the scum.

[Jimbo]

Youve been called out at the start of the day CmG. With Randy and big faggot now dead its not like theres noone left alive to push ya and hiding will be useless if you arent mob. Your already a target. As big fag Al asked what info did you find night 2? Spill your beans.

[Towelie]

The new movie after 2 girls 1 cup, 2 Weaponsmiths 1 Krupke ? xD
Example of faking townplay horribly.

I'd rather find the rest of the scum by reading their night chats. If anyone else is town they should join me.

[Mr. Hat]

Okay. What I want is to see some claims of who shot who.

[Mr. Hat]

I have reason to believe that I will suicide when this day ends. Be sure to plan for night with my out of your plans

[Jimbo]

Towelie Towelie. We wont be seein any more night chats Im afraid. That little problem has been taken care of by the arsonist and mobsters

[Mr. Hat]

Please note that although I am basically dead I am not outing the Sharks or the Jets. I have moral obligation to follow my role card even though I am dying.

[Towelie]

No shots fired here.

I wish I knew more about previous FMs, this would make things a lot easier. I have no idea who is veterans and who isn't.

Jimbo you're wrong. There is more to be found. And if there isn't I'd rather take that chance then ignore obvious mafia tells in there.

tldr; stop trying to dissuade me maf scum.

[Sheila]

NIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR NIGGER NIGGERNI GERG NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

FUCKFUCKNIGGERASSBITCHSHITFUCKNIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGERR AAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Token]

since most of you already know, its only fair to tell the rest that gay al is ded.

[Towelie]

NIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR NIGGER NIGGERNI GERG NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

FUCKFUCKNIGGERASSBITCHSHITFUCKNIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGERR AAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I hate this town with a passion.

Token: How do you know?

[Token]

because he told me and 20 other people out of game.

Not a big deal that i reveal it, then-

[Philip]

well that annoys me a hell of a lot :(

still alive here

[Towelie]

No idea why he would do that without getting modkilled(lol), but I don't even know the rules anymore, so if that is A-OK by the mod than whatever.


[Sharks 2]
You mean [Sharks 1]... As far as posting habits go, just pretend that you're typing a college essay (no grammar errors, spellcheck used, etc.). Try to identify the quirks of your posts and remove them (ex: I use many ellipses in my posts). As a new player, you're hard to recognize, but you can still be identified and exploited.
Someone help me, who normally does this?

[Liane]

Hi guys, I am alive!! I've been reading all the posts and it has been very interesting indeed. Anyways, I noticed the Jets only called me out once.. Maybe that makes me clean from being a Jet.

This might be a pretty difficult game to win as town as we have another problem, but I would like to say that I am not Yayap! I was just fooling around.

Also, I noticed in the Arsonist's role card it does NOT say they ignore invulnerability..
Does Arsonist's burn ignore invulnerability?

The reason I ask this is because if BGA was jailed, he couldn't have been burned, he would've survived, I think.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Hi guys, I am alive!! I've been reading all the posts and it has been very interesting indeed. Anyways, I noticed the Jets only called me out once.. Maybe that makes me clean from being a Jet.

This might be a pretty difficult game to win as town as we have another problem, but I would like to say that I am not Yayap! I was just fooling around.

Also, I noticed in the Arsonist's role card it does NOT say they ignore invulnerability..
Does Arsonist's burn ignore invulnerability?

The reason I ask this is because if BGA was jailed, he couldn't have been burned, he would've survived, I think.
NOPE.

[Token]

towelie how come you crawled out of your lurk hole to accuse me of being dumb or mafia?

and now suddenly you're the inquisition.

[Cartman]

Then who was jailed? Has anyone tried shooting me yet?

[Towelie]

[Sharks 2] (during day 1)
Gerald sees me as scummy (twitch twitch).... hmm, I guess I should look to find where the tell was?
^More stuff to use about Shark 2. Help me out here.

Token: Because obviously the town is all dead, and now I have something to actually do instead of sit back and say "Well everyone is fake claiming, not really a point in me doing jack shit atm."

Or you can believe I'm disguiser, whichever one you prefer.