FloodingRain: 1-S2-1-2441688

[Faithless]

Account Name: Fury/FloodingRain
Account ID: 1-S2-1-1-2441688
In-Game Name: Tautology

Crimes Committed: Gamethrowing

Your Account Name: Faithless

I was GF and he was beguilger.

During n2, he suggested me to kill 14 (who claimed doc), I went on 7 instead because he was detective confirmed.

During n3, suggested me (again) to kill 14, which I declined, I wanted to kill the escort claim instead, because I didn't want to be reveal as Rb Immune...if he had said to me that MM can't be RB immune, I would have killed 14, but I think he didn't realize either and was still thinking that 4 was escort, like me!

He told me that:

"I will leave"
"I will type -suicide"

After that I suggested that I would reported him if he does that, he said:


"Fine, I'll just afk"
"8, you're GF"
"8 is GF"

Spy was still possible in game, he litterally said that in attempt to ruin the game.

During D4, he pmed the mayor and he said "N3: 4 (Who was escort claim) --> 8 (me)" and suggest to the mayor "so 8 is mafioso?", because nobody were killed the night before.

After I died, he throw his other maf partner during day 6.

He said "5 (who was his partner) ---> 12 (the guy who just get killed)


22627


Have a good week-end! Also he kicked me out of sc2 clan because I said I would report him, he made a mistake and needs to pay for that!

[Mesk514]

SC ID VERIFICATION
FloodingRain - Correct: 1-S2-1-2441688

Respective Hotkeys
FloodingRain: 5

Was the Game Result altered?
not chill.

Summary
FloodingRain(#13) roles Beguiler


Day 1:
-

Night 1:
#13 does nothing

Day 2:
*#3 is lynched, he was a Jester.*

Night 2:
*#13 suggests the GF kills #14 as #14 claimed Doc on trial, however the GF wants to kill #7*
#13 goes to hide behind #4

Day 3:
*#1 the Mayor reveals*
#13 PM's #1: Detective N1: 7 -> 14 N2: 9 -> 14
#13 PM's #1: tell me who you want me to watch
#13 PM's #1: who do you want me to watch
*#2 is lynched, he was a MM*

Night 3:
*GF(#8) will kill #14*
*GF(#8) will kill #4*
#13: no
#13: get
#13: 14
#13: i will leave
#8: stfu
#13: the game
#8: i know what i do
#13: ok i typed -suicide
#13: gg
*#13 decides to kill himself*
#8: so i will report you
*#13 decides not to kill himself*
#13: fine i'll just afk
#13: bai
#13: 14 is doc
#13: 8
#13: you're gf
#13: kill 14
#8: 4 is escort
#8: you dumbfuck
#13: 8 is gf

Day 4:
*#13 updates his LW: N1: 7 -> 14 N2: 9 -> 14 N3: 8 -> 4*
*#13 updates his LW: N1: 7 -> 14 N2: 9 -> 14 N3: 4 -> 8*
#13 PM's #1: N1: 7 -> 14 N2: 9 -> 14 N3: 4 -> 8
#13 PM's #1: N1: 7 -> 14 N2: 9 -> 14 N3: 4 -> 8
#13 PM's #1: so 8 is mafioso?
*#8 is put on trial*
#13: yes he is guilty
#13: kill him
#13: 8 is mafioso
#13: kill 8

Night 4:
#13: you listen to me
#13: no
#13: you listen
#13: to me
#13: kill 14

#13 does nothing
#5 goes to kill #14

Day 5:
#15 is lynched, he was a BG

Night 5:
#13: no you kill 12
#13: 12 dies
*#5 will go kill #4*
#13: 4 is night immune
#13: so dont bother
#13: no night kills
#13: 4 is arson or exec
#13: or surv
#13: likely exec

Day 6:
#13: 5 ->12
#13: guys
#13: 5 visited 12
#13: 5 is mafioso
*#5 is put on trial and heavily pushed by #13*
#5 is lynched, he was a GodFather

Night 6:
--

Night 7:
#13 choses to kill #1 but last second changes his mind

Day 8:
*immediately*
#4: i role blocked 10 last night
#13: ok wtf
#4: 4 -> 10


Game ends day 8 with Mafia and Executioner win.


Previous Offenses
FloodingRain:
- Griefing (On-Hold) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/39568-FloodingRain-1-S2-1-2441688?highlight=1-S2-1-2441688)

Player Offenses
FloodingRain: Griefing


Recommended Action
FloodingRain: x2 WL


Additional Notes
thank you for your efforts in trying to keep the game clean

[Faithless]

I saw your original post, I dont know what made you change idea...I'm a little disapointed tbh!

His first recommandation was a ban-list X2 for FloodingRain and a watch-list X2 for TwentyTwo with a long paragraph saying how he was disapointed by that situation...you checked the replay 3 times and cannot believe FloodingRain did a such thing. Why would you deleted that part? Are you afraid of them?

So it seems like Sc2Maf is just a joke with a lot of corruption in it.

Very disapointed!

AND I GOT A FUCKING WATCH LIST FOR NOT PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION IN GAME, THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS! HE HAS THE SAME RECOMMENDED ACTION THAN ME LMAO?

You should be ashamed. YOU SHOULD BE FUCKING ASHAMED!

So since I saw the original post, can you please explain me what make you change your mind?

Also is it possible to have people who are not in conflict of interest to recommand action? Like an independent judge? People seems to like FloodingRain very much, I can understand that he is a regular forum member, but what he did is bannable (like you said in your first post, remember?)

[Mesk514]

they were not cheating. end of discussion. It was an error on my part.

I made a decision based on my knowledge of them being in a call together on Sunday the 23rd which I mistakenly thought was Sunday the 22nd.
What FloodingRain did was wrong, BUT he was not cheating!

[Faithless]

I never said he cheated, I said he gamethrew, he needs to be on ban-list!

Now I ask for another person to review that report please, Mesk is biaised so much...

I have another replay who shows FloodingRain gamethrow the game as well. I can post another report on him, this guy is a cancer and needs to be ban, period! You won't stop me!

[Faithless]

I swear that he won't get out of trouble so easily like that, everybody who will watch that replay would also think that he needs to be ban as well trust me!

Mesk you have no honor, what you did makes you a coward, I saw your first post and you changed it completly in 30 minutes, how is that possible? You said that FloodingRain's actions were a disgrace to this game and 30 minutes after, you edit your complete post to say almost nothing? Really bro? Do you think I'm stupid or what?

[Mesk514]

I recommended a ban list based on my opinion that there was cheating involved. You yourself just said that you never said he was cheating, and that your issue is that he was gamethrowing. Since further review on my part says that they he was NOT CHEATING, i must readjust my recommendation.

Firstly, I never recommended this as gamethrowing. This is being rude and ruining others peoples fun cause you think your teammates are dumb or as some people like to call it, Trolling.
However if FloodingRain was gamethrowing then Mafia would not have won. In fact, FloodingRains play kind of secured that mafia won, cause the rest of the team couldn't figure out that 4 was exec.

Secondly, I have no problem dropping a banlist on anybody, however, first time game throwing doesnt even warrant a banlist!

Crime: Game-Throwing
This is intentionally playing to lose. An example of this is a Mafioso giving out the names of his fellow Mafia to the town during his trial. This does NOT include poor play that causes the team to lose; it is important for a Keeper to be able to tell the difference.

Vs.

Crime: Griefing
Griefing is similar to trolling, but actually results in the game being ruined. This is trolling taken too far.

[Faithless]

Sorry but now I just don't believe you.

I got a watch list X2 for almost nothing, what he did is very more punisheable than what I did.

So now I'm asking for another review made by another person (who's not biaised like Mesk)

[Mesk514]

I said his actions were a disgrace under the assumption he was cheating. You and I just cleared up he was not cheating.
Do not twist my words, Do not make me pull up the original review to quote exactly what I said to show you I never recommended he was gamethrowing.

Arrow can further review this

[Faithless]

If you can pull up your original review, it would be great indeed! Post it!

Lol Fury has 3 friends on the forum and Mesk is among them, really bro? Aren't you feeling ashamed to just post your "review" on him, this community is so fucking biaised.

[Mesk514]

I am extremely speechless after watching this replay. After watching the replay the first time, I was under the impression that FloodingRain just has very bad sportsmanship. No sense of working with his team whatsoever. However after watching the replay again and again it seems like FloodingRain was confident he could throw his teammates under the bus and STILL secure the win as long as #4 and him were alive. The only thing is, after watching the replay the third time around, it's clear to me that FloodingRain got upset at his teammates for targeting #4 when he had outside information that #4 was not an escort, therefore they would be wasting a kill. Which when his teammates did not agree because they really believed that #4 was the escort, he threw them under the bus. So essentially FloodingRain threw his teammates under the bus because he had outside information which made him confident enough that he would still be able to win, while still pissing off his teammates who he probably thought were stupid for lacking the information he had. Definitely not cool!!!

At the end of the game immediately FloodingRain says "thanks for playing along" and TwentyTwo says "lolz", FloodingRain later says, "you were throwing you fucks so I bussed you". There was no way for anyone to actually know at this point in the game when #8 went to go kill #4 for #8 or #5 to know that #4 was actually an executioner.

It is very clear to me that they able to "play along" with each other for pretty much the whole game because they knew each others roles.


Previous Offenses
FloodingRain:
- Griefing (On-Hold) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/39568-FloodingRain-1-S2-1-2441688?highlight=1-S2-1-2441688)
-

TwentyTwo:
- Minor Griefing (On-Hold) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/39061-TwentyTwo-1-S2-1-1224965?highlight=1-S2-1-1224965)

Player Offenses
-
FloodingRain: Extreme Griefing, Additional Information
TwentyTwo: Additional Information




Definitely one of the worst replays I've ever seen, targeting other players for not complying with your actions which are based on outside information and throwing them under the bus and trying to make it seem like they're the dumb ones is totally mean as fuck.

[Unknown1234]

Closing this for Arrow to review further.

[Helz]

I could see a slight potential for skyping here but it is much more likely that he was pushing for his team to kill the doc than to protect 4. It would have been a strong play with this games setup and probably what I would have done. His attempt to force his teammates to play how he wants to is very poor form. I would like to call this gamethrowing but its not- He played to his win condition and did win the game for his team. Although he did not ruin the game I will call this minor griefing because he did ruin his teammates experience.

2x WL For Griefing on 1-S2-1-2441688

Anyone has an issue with this PM me but please do so with logical reasoning as to why you believe his behavior fits into some other category of punishment. I dont want to hear about how you feel someone deserves a more severe punishment. This is going off the standard punishment escalation and if anything moderately aggressive.

[Fury]

Perhaps I bussed too hard.

Still though, bussing is a legitimate strategy. Everyone thought I was town for my actions and that was the deciding factor in getting me the win this game. Perhaps I could have communicated better, but I'm not going to discard a legitimate strategy to help the 1 in a million people who get offended from this.

See you all in-game.