Night 1 Jet Chat

[Kenny]

Hey, if it's cool with everyone I'd like to be the Consigliere. I don't think I could pull off the epic levels of bs that a lawyer or ventriloquist would require. And the drug dealer doesn't really interest me as much. Does any one object?
I still have not said anything yet.

[Kenny]

I don't particularly have that much faith in my scum skills.
I'll let the Godfather pick based on what he thinks. Or if we have a pro player here.
Bleh.

[Kenny]

When you're a Jet, you're a jet all the way, from your first cigarette, to your last dying day.
Love West Side Story.

*awkward moment when probably the only Jew on the forum gets the only Jew in South Park...*
Happy Chanukah!

I might wanna be the Lawyer, but I may not be able to pull that off...

Maybe GF SHOULD pick after all...
Who's the only Jew on our forum? Lol.

[Kenny]

Zack...?

I'm not allowed to reveal my real name to the other mafias, right?

And the drug dealer's message is just a message, no action, right?

No, you can reveal your real name to the other mafias or even the town if you want. You just can't fake it to your fellow mafia.

Yes, the Drug Dealer's message is just a message, not an action.

Gawd, don't scare me like that "Kyle."
Almost made me think I infringed on the rules before the game even started...
So was I right?

Actually, you are not.

I am Rocshi, actually.

(inb4whothefuckareyou)

Lol. You're not the only Jew on this forum then.
I never got to see you play, cause you got done in by the jailer last M-FM right?
Anyway, I'm Sumi. :p
So I thought it was Zack. It's not.

[Kenny]

In, out, let's get crackin'

In regards to role choice, it's not going to matter terribly what you think you're good at as we will be coordinating and discussing our actions together anyhow. What I propose is that you choose roles based on which investigation pairing you think you can pull off.

For example, the relevant pairings for us are:

-Architect/Ventriloquist
-Investigator/Consigliere
- The drug dealer and Lawyer appear to be missing from the investigation list?

I will write more on that once we're told what the other pairings are.

The point is, the other players will KNOW that some roles are present for balance, aka the consig. Other roles they will most likely quickly suspect, aka the drug dealers. Ventriloquist, and lawyer are also semi-confirmed.

Therefore, whoever chooses consig should try and play from an investigator's perspective. The drug dealers should try and play from the perspective of their investigation pairing. The ventriloquist is one of the toughest ones, because his only pairing is the architect and if called out, you'll probably find it extremely difficult to convince anybody you're an architect.

Therefore, my suggestions are:

- An experienced, active player who likes to be very involved in day discussion should choose consig
- Somebody who likes to float under the radar and posts less than average should choose ventriloquist OR somebody who thinks they could really put this role to good use and has some good ideas
- The two least experienced players should choose the drug dealers OR whoever didn't get the other roles
- Not sure about lawyer yet. Will have to wait for the updated investigation pairings.

I think this will work. We have some powerful roles here.

I am happy to allocate if you can't decide.

Good luck team!

What are your forum names?
The GF has spoken.

[Kenny]

Si.
Dat jailor.
Go read the Night 1 Jail chat if it ever gets released, it's actually kinda interesting.

I guess I'll be a drug dealer then. Actually kinda interesting, can change the game if the message gets played right.

I think I need some clarifications on exactly what Drug Dealer does.
I was under the impression that he merely goes "-drug BLANKITYBLANKBLANK" and False does his random.org magic and pops out a random visiting notification to BLANKITYBLANKBLANK.

that actually IS exactly what DD does.

funfunfun.

And who is you, Ike?

I'm assuming yes but to be safe...
Will the Drug Dealer be notified as well which notification was sent to the victim?

I'm Muso.

I'm still in Indonesia and not flying back to Australia until tomorrow, but I will try to get to a computer as frequently as I can until I'm home.
You can tell Muso is a hardcore player. Watch out.

[Kenny]

Our objective should probably be to find Maria ASAP. Then we win :D

Do we perform actions after picking roles, or do we nothing tonight?
And, who be Butters?
Muso, since you're the GF, are you leaning toward any role you want for yourself?
You should probably get first picks.
I will probably take the Ventriloquist, but I won't decide for sure til we find out the missing identities in our gang and the missing investigation pairings.
I wouldn't mind being Consig (due to SC2 mafia experience), Drug Dealer (sounds interesting), or Ventriloquist (also sounds interesting), personally.

And Kyle, a Jewish lawyer? Stereotype confirmed!
Also, Barbrady is online, but not invisible. Since that's a South Park character, I'm assuming he's involved in forum mafia. Since he's online during night chat, he might be someone to keep an eye on.
I'm pretty sure our accs are set to be forever invisible.
JEWISH LAWYER YES
except i have little experience. oh well.

Clyde and Butters, who are IRFL (in real forum life?)
Obviously Barbrady's account was either fucked up or he turned invisibility off. Either way, I saw him listed under the Active Users. You can also probably deduce the identity of some other Mafia by paying attention to who is most active during the night. Right now, the following users are online:

cookies4you
gay
Goonswarm
Lazers
Lysergic
Nick
wolfcheese
Zam

If anyone reveals during the day as these people, we should check them out.



xD



I'll never tell.
Further narrowing down the list, of the above active players, only the following are signed up for forum mafia 8:

Goonswarm
wolfcheese
Lysergic

Goon might be online constantly as mod. However, wolfcheese and Lysergic are people to keep an eye on.

And Barbrady is DEFINITELY a forum mafia account, and was definitely online. He is quite possibly a Shark. I recommend checking him via Consig as soon as possible (tomorrow possibly, depending on how day goes).
lol its 3 AM.

My first choice is Lawyer.
Second choice is Drug Dealer.
I will let Muso decide.

GNGL
Unless Yayap is on our team, (because from what I hear, he's a master at stalking mechanics) I'd be extremely wary about playing as Ventriloquist. If possible, someone whose time is really flexible and has two computers that can access the internet at the same time should play as Vent.
I'm still unsure which role I want, since it's literally my first time playing as scum, lol. For the record, I do have fairly terrible luck.

Ventriloquist seems really fun to play, but requires what seems to be an unreal amount of work. I'm a senior in high school and college apps are due soon. I can easily afford the time AFTER I turn in my application, but that won't be till a week later.
Drug Dealer seems the easiest, but considering my terrible luck, watch me send a block notification to someone who killed that night and succeeded lol. And then have a lookout follow that person too. -gets lynched the next day-
Lawyer and Consigliere is just meh.
Lol. Y NO EASY SCUM ROLES FOR SUMI TO PLAY??
Whew. They say too many things lol. In any case, I'm going to act like a semi-newb in my Mafia chat. To make them think I'm incapable of deceiving them (and maybe I'll fail at this department but I'll give it my best shot!).

[Kenny]

Yo, I'm TheWaaagh. I'll probably end up talking a lot during the day chat so playing an investigator shouldn't be too hard, so yeah I'd still like to be the consig if that's up for grabs. I wonder why Barbrady would turn his invisibility off? That doesn't seem very... mafia like.

And do you see Sumi? I still haven't gotten to play a townie yet lol.
Heeeey Rome buddy. xD We meet again in Night Chat!
This is hilarious, you always getting Mafia. I'll keep that in mind next time when I'm town. I'll just go ahead and start a lynch against you. Heh.

So for the Lawyer. If you changed their last will, I'm assuming you can 1. do this even if they're not killed that night and 2. not notify the victim that their last will has been changed. So what if the person submits a new last will after we've forged one? Do WE get notified they changed it again?
LOL Okay just have to share this with you guys.
You know that ad bar right on the top-ish part of the forum?
Well it just changed to an ad for the New York JETS. Ironic, isn't it?
Wow. Waaagh. What amazing luck to play as scum every time. Dust, we're lynching him next M-FM the first day. xD

[Kenny]

Btw, you can add "Ned" to the list of people that have turned off invisibility, are in the forum mafia area but aren't listed as looking at any of the threads in the main area.

And yeah, I feel like I'm just going to get lynched every game as a leap of faith at this point, thank god this game is anonymous lol.

I'm going to double check but does it say if the lawyer counts as "visiting" someone when he forges a new will?
Ah, good question. Didn't think of that.
Don't forget, questions to His Almighty False-ness should be in green. :)
Well, I just went back and checked over the rules and don't see it mentioned here so I'm a ask it now:

Does the Lawyer's action count as him visiting a person for the purposes of bus driving, witching, lookout, detective, etc.?
I do have two comps, but the worst schedule of all of you, I'm really busy all the time.
I should definitely not be Vent or Consig, cause they must be active. I can forge shit pretty well, (doesn't look fake) but I'm not sure it would be the best at throwing the game into confusion, which an experienced player could do with this.

-choose Drug Dealer
Alright well if we're just taking stuff:

-choose Consigliere
Clyde, I'm going to assume from this quote that it's your first time playing forum mafia. There's no need to keep your identity secret. Nobody here's going to be looking down on the first timers. It would just be nice to know who's on our team. We have to work together 100% for any chance of winning this, and the first step in that has got to be trust.

Now, who are you?
I agree that this could be useful information, well done :). However, it doesn't make me think mafia.

Somebody who is deliberately turning off invisibility and actively appearing during the mafia-only night screams citizen/ or neutral to me -
- think ghost looking to die
- or citizen trying to draw attention
Well if they're not in any of the open threads they could be trying to hide in plain sight. I remember last game we (Rome) noticed McPwnage had invisibility off and wasn't reading any of the open threads. And it turned out he was Jesus, so you never know.
I'm honestly not sure how much I want to trust that anymore. Claw was practically always doing that, which made me really suspicious of him, but he only turned out to be commoner jerking our chains.

It'll be much harder trying to stalk people now though, since turning invisibility OFF isn't as likely as people bothering turning it ON.
Any pro stalkers or mechanic abuse stalker catcher whateveryouwannacallthem-ers?
I agree, it could just be another layer of WIFOM, but I don't think it should lean us toward mafia just yet.

In terms of a potential role list, we have this:

Kyle: Drug dealer
Butters: Consig. (Clyde, I am only choosing Butters because he's an experienced player and I suspect consig is going to require a lot of delicacy to play this game. It is also probably, our most important role. You may turn out to be the best player on the team, but for now I'm simply going to choose the more experienced forum mafia player as there's little else to distinguish on.)
Ike: I'm going to take Ventriloquist

That leaves one more Drug dealer and a Lawyer for you and Kenny to pick between.
Ah. In that case, I do believe I'm leaning slightly toward a Lawyer then. (Still, depending on what role corresponds to this role. Lookout or something I hope.)
Forging other people's behavior isn't too terribly hard for me.
Especially since, assuming no one in town is going to reveal their real names, everyone's roleplay starts now, whether they choose to take on a new persona or keep their old one, no one can really tell (unless it's something dead obvious, like apparently Jack's, I quote, "unbridled arrogance" that gave him away? I dunno. Do we have any super seasoned players well in touch with the others in here?). Going through a few posts shouldn't be too terribly hard. And the dead can't complain about their last will being different, kufufufufufu... -evil Sumi laugh-
So yeah, I'm probably going to be drug dealer or lawyer. It's pretty much impossible to get consigliere from me. Being a lawyer, I thought I could still fudge some stuff to get what we want across. Since we're pretty much guaranteed Mafia kills. And I can manipulate last wills as I want then. Last post before I go sleep. :) Nighty night, dear sweet wonderful beautiful exuberant cute lil Mariaaaa~ <3

[Kenny]

Okay scratch that.
They are discussing plans vital to our survival.

In terms of night abilities we have:

2 + 1 confusing roles; ie they confuse our enemies

1 investigative role; probably the most important role as it's one of our best bets at catching enemy mafias

1 inactive role; the ventriloquist

My suggestions are:

Killing: The ventriloquist should perform all kills from Night 3 on. However, the lawyer should perform the kill Night 2 as there will be nothing to gain from changing anybody's will that night. This could be useful on the off chance that an Escort or a Detective gets lucky night 2 and will help foil them if they repeat the same target Night 3. Players tend to like to confirm a positive finding by repeating the action the subsequent night. If they get a different result, they may be confused.

If we use the consig to discover power roles, good or evil, we can the subsequent night kill the target and alter their will to spread misinformation amongst the town and the gang. I think this should be our default strategy. If we can get onto an Investigator/ other power role and alter their will it could do very good things for our cause. Keep in mind altering a mafia's will will not fool that mafia gang, rather it will confirm the presence of a Lawyer to them, so altering wills will be most useful when used on town roles who haven't made their info public yet.

Unfortunately drug dealing will be relatively hit and miss in the beginning but it will still be fun to fuck with people's minds a bit. Imagine targeting the same player with 2 sets of drugs.

I welcome your thoughts.

[Kenny]

1. As soon as day breaks start pretending you're a townie. Pretend so hard that you fool yourself. Be mindful of the role you're trying to portray, and then think about how you would act were you that role. Eg. If you were an Investigator how would you act so that people would never suspect you were an investigator and attempt to kill you. That is how you should act. Don't over-play it though. You don't need to convince anybody you're a townie, you just are one, right?

2. In mafia chat we are a team. In day chat we are just other members of the town, we are not a team. Don't think of us as a team. Don't play like we're a team. If you feel there's evidence on the board or scum tells lying around then point them out EVEN IF THEY ACCUSE YOUR TEAM-MATES. If you can see a scum tell, chances are somebody else can too. If you can see blatant holes in any of our reasoning then point them out too. The town doesn't expect one mafia team to be arguing amongst itself in day chat.

3. If you find yourself in a sticky situation and you don't know how to reply, ask for help in the dedicated mafia chat and we can work together to indemnify you.

Okay now I'm sleeping for realz. Concoct some awesome plan while your Tony-poo goes to sleep, mkay~? Unless you're lonely for some lovin'~ <3 the bed is big enough for two, Maria dear. ;)

[Kenny]

I'll just kind of pick out the semi-relevent parts now. Cause we started talking about Kenny's Deaths and South Park after a while lol.
False said the Drug Dealer WILL NOT be notified which message the victim got.

Okay the updated Investigation pairings are:

-Citizen/GF (Overrides night action investigation ex. GF is blackmailer he will still show up as Citizen/GF)
-Investigator/Consigliere
-Architect/Ventriloquist
-Enchantress/Witch/Drug Dealer
-Merchant/Masochist/Lawyer

With this in mind:

Drug dealer 1:Kyle
Drug dealer 2: Clyde
Ventriloquist: Me
Lawyer: Kenny
Consigliere: Butters

Let me know if you guys are happy with this?

I think the drug dealers can probably make a good go of pretending to be Enchantresses. I will appear in the citizen category, which is good because trying to fake an Architect is probably suicide. Kenny has 2 choices, but both of them are neutrals and tricky ones.

Best of luck.
I'm happy with that; I was leaning towards Drug Dealer anyway. Though a good point has been made about Kenny being pretty much doomed. In SC2 maf, picking "Kenny" as a name is a night 1 death sentence.

And to answer your previous question, I'm neither a first timer nor going to reveal myself. Why are you pushing so hard for a reveal of my forum identity?
Don't pretend to be town during the day - just forget that you are mafia. That's how I play it in SC2 maf - I just forget my role and pick a new town one, and then play normally. Self-deception is surprisingly important in this game.
I've also been thinking in regards to the Mayor elections tomorrow.

In my mind, it looks like a giant trap. Trying to make a play at it would probably do us more harm than good. In the end a Mayor is only as good as the information he has and if we can influence the information he receives and how he responds to it then we can control him. The roles we have are well suited to this.

I really think our enemies (town or mafia) will be on the lookout for a team trying to make a play at the election. That team will obviously be a mafia team because we're the only groups who've so far collaborated. I think our best bet is to limit our involvement and not try and get elected. Definitely we should not be actively supporting each other for nomination/ election. If by some miracle one of us does elected then good, so be it, but I really think that shouldn't be our goal here.

Instead we should take note of who does try and get nominated and who supports who, and maybe we might find something. Equally interesting, will be those who stay out of it.

I am open to alternative opinions. What do you guys think?

Also, good question to ask yourself is, were you really the Town role you're going to pretend to be, would you want to be elected Mayor? That may help influence how you play and respond once day starts.
I personally think one of our two Drug Dealers should be the killing role for the first few nights, given that we probably don't need both sets of misleading information. In fact, having the same person get targeted by both (imagine if they get the same result) makes it pretty painfully obvious that there are Drug Dealers in the game. Our best bet is stealth; I would almost recommend that the Drug Dealer not act until there's a confirmed investigative role on the table to fuck with. It also seems like a waste to have a unique role skip their night action in favor of killing. Even on night 1, Lawyer could be eminently useful depending on what is discovered tomorrow.
These are a mix from various threads, but there wasn't too much of an instance where not specifying which thread it came from will confuse you, hopefully. The threads are like, The Plan and How Not To Get Caught As Scum, so I just combined everything here since it's just all strategy anyway.

[Kenny]

Well, based on the town leader election in m-fmII: the town leader doesn't really affect the game as badly as one might think, and yeah we the mafia just let other people fight over it. The ones that aggressively campaigned for it ended up looking like scum while the real scum just sat back and laughed.

I have to disagree with you Clyde on the lawyer front though, I mean the first night the lawyer has no idea what the person's role is that they're changing the last will of, so there is zero useful information they can mess around with because they have no idea what the person would put in their last will anyway. It's kind of like how you said we should be stealthy with the drug dealers (which I do agree with, double-hitting someone does not seem like a really good tactic at all).

But yeah, night one there's nothing the Lawyer can really do, whereas the drug dealers can actively fuck with the town's heads, so it's probably better to have the Lawyer do the killing until we start finding people for them to mess with the last wills of.
I can see myself abusing my namesake for sympathy and getting a town leadership position lol. Probably a bad idea though.
And I daresay a lookout or detective will be following me night 1 because they're following the train of thought that, if I'm not the Mafia, the mafia would take a shot at me for the lulz to say the "Oh my God! They killed Kenny!" deal. So bottom line is, be careful what you put me to do.
Also.
One thing I’d like to point out, guys. If it’s one thing I notice amongst all pros, it’s the tendency to cuss like crazy when provoked lol. And if they figure out you're pro, they'd gun you down first. So I ask you to restrain yourself for heaven’s sake and DO NOT SAY WIRTY DORDS. IF YOU DO I WILL PERSONALLY SEE TO IT THAT I STUFF YOUR MOUTH AND INTESTINAL ORGANS WITH SOAP WHEN I GET MY HANDS ON YOU, DO WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.
Moar stuffs.

[Kenny]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. The whole purpose behind this is just to be prepared for the situation where you're jailed or on the receiving end of a public demand for a role claim. If you've played with the role you're going to claim in mind until that point, then you'll find it easier to persuade the forum. There is no need to claim prematurely though.
Well, it's hard to say since the other games weren't anonymous, so people I think we're more naturally inclined to trust you. I was actually thinking that perhaps one way to overcome the stigma of your name is to talk how you normally do so people can go "Oh, that's Sumi, let's not kill her night one". I'm not saying day one go "I AM SUMI PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE", but I don't know, maybe throw in some "^^" here and there.

In terms of your activity I think your generally active enough, but if you see some one say something you want to say, you can always quote it and then kind of add a "I totally agree with this person, for the following reasons:" that way you make your opinion on a given person or strategy known to everyone instead of just silently going "I totally agree with that guy".
Lol I didn't know I had a distinct way of talking, other than threatening people with chainsaws.
Should I say something along the lines of "If you target me just so you can say "Oh my God! They killed Kenny!" I swear I will chunk a chainsaw at you."? :D It might give the impression that I'm not a smart player to make my identity so painfully obvious and thus make them think I'm not capable of staying under the radar as scum. Which, might garner some sympathy from them and not let them target a newb player night 2? And they might not read me as carefully if they think I'm not capable of much. It just might work. Better they know I'm Sumi than mistake me for someone who has enemies, like Auckmid or Dimwit or someone like that. But then again, maybe they'll think I'm someone else impersonating as me... -caught in self WIFOM- HRMMMM.

Anyway, thanks for the advice. :)
If there is one thing I have learnt playing this game, it is that nobody plays forum mafia anything like they do Sc2.

I don't understand why you are concealing your identity unless you have something to hide. What could you have to hide from your own team?Ike is referring to Clyde.
Unless he's not on our team... DUN DUN DUN!
He could be lover...
Lover IS here...

*fists*Perfect. :) Less suspicion off of me.
At this point, if night 1 is really just about picking mafia roles, and we've already picked ours, I have to ask: what's taking the sharks so damn long? I wonder if one of their people is AFK.
I've noticed a fairly constant stream of people viewing the forum even when you guys don't seem to be online. I can't imagine many other players have much cause to be frequenting the forum tonight other than the Sharks so it seems as though they're certainly discussing something.

Maybe they're going to make a play for the elections tomorrow?
Either that or they don't realize this chat is going to be open during the day. I really can't see any other reason to talk as heavily about strategy before the game's even really started.

[Kenny]

Things fall apart... I can't believe my Mafia team has already crumbled from the inside out...
Ike talking to Clyde:

You are either

a) the Lover not even trying to hide
b) a regular mafia messing with his own team
I was joking. (kinda)

But, it is true, if we kill the lovers, we win the game, cause we merge into 8:12 ratio.
w-w-w-winning.

We are all ridiculous.

Wait, a team is arguing amongst themselves...
DAMN YOU FALSETRUTHHHH
Wow; brilliant deduction! The person who is stirring up trouble and calling attention to himself is the role whose ONLY PURPOSE IN THE GAME is to avoid calling attention to itself.

You're a regular Sherlock Holmes. I'm glad we're in your capable hands, oh great harmonious leader.

If we're given anonymous accounts, why reveal who we are? That defeats the point. I don't understand why it's such a massive deal to you to know what my regular username is.

I'd also like to point out that Kyle was the first person to accuse me of being one of the Lovers, and is thus suspect numero uno for being the Jets Lover in my book.
Guys, guys. Internal conflict = deleterious to our survival. You saw how miscommunication within Rome brought its downfall last game.
We already have the town, a few neutrals, and the other Mafia against us. We don't need to pit ourselves against each other as well.
I personally have no reason for knowing who Clyde is, since we'll find out after the game anyway lol.
Finding out now will let us know playing habits but it's whatevs for me.
Have you played a FM before, Clyde? That's all I want to know.
As I'm pretty sure I've already stated, yes. I've also played a fuck ton of SC2 Mafia (sorry Ike, but it still counts as experience), and IRC mafia. So I know what I'm doing.

Count-up until Ike disagrees with/insults EVERY post I've made since his last round of replies: 14 minutes and counting.

Since this is a clearly established theme already, I'm going to stop offering any sort of advice or opinion and just do what I'm told. If we lose, Ike will only have himself to blame for being such a massive asshole on Night 1 (before the game has even started).
I'm not trying to fight with him. On the contrary I've been trying my hardest to make peace.

He's just losing his shit.
No, you've been attacking everything that I say (even things not directly addressed to you) because you think I have no experience with forum mafia, and then trying to play the "I'm being rational yo" card, while barely able to hide your suspicions that you think I'm up to no good (for no other reason than, apparently, I won't tell you what my forum account is).

And snide little comments like "he's just losing his shit" are doing nothing to diffuse the situation.

Whatever. I'm done fighting with you. If this is how this game is going to go, I'll just give my spot to a reserve and go back to playing the SC2 mafia that you seem to hate so much.

EDIT:
In fact, that's what I will do. Already PMed game master about it. If this is how Night 1 went, I'd hate to imagine staying in the game with Muso in charge.
I actually don't know what you're talking about anymore.

But whatever, do as you will.
Go look at your response to my first post in every topic. Especially relevant is the "Scum tips to avoid getting fried" topic, where you replied to my post ONLY to point out that all SC2 mafia experience is irrelevant.

I don't feel like dealing with your hostility. Bye.
Huh, that was a quick game. It's a shame to see you go, Clyde. I had actually just typed up a post to try to get you to chill and stay with us, but it logged me out so I'm back to a blank slate.

Before you go, want to tell us who the other team's lover is? (kidding).

[Kenny]

And then...

Lol I have a great feeling about this game. Now we can get SuicidalN00b!

[Kenny]

Lol sorry to disappoint:

I've been encouraged to stay, and have changed my mind.

Muso, don't fucking treat me like a child. Guaranteed to piss me off.

Moving on, the Sharks are taking for fucking ever.
Awwwwww but Clyde is always the one that hates the group's schemes and tries to get out any chance he gets. If you had left, and Kenny got killed tomorrow night, we'd be doing the show justice.

Oh well, fine, I guess you can stay.
Even though you may think I hate you (and I don't).

I'm glad you've decided to stay.
Waaagh, I swear, if you jynx this, prepare to have your neck sawed off.

That said, I'm glad you're staying with us, Clyde. :)
Here's to a great game!
Don't worry, worst case scenario you die and then the rest of us lose the game for you. It's not like we haven't been there before ;).

UNLESS OF COURSE YOU'RE THE LOVER AND IF YOU DIE YOU LOSE.

On an unrelated note, I really want to see the shark's night chat. Mainly because I want to see their pages and pages of strategic discussion get fucked up after the horrors of the real night 1 lol.
Just imagine when they see the Jersey Shore-esque drama that is our Night Chat, though. xD
Lol I'd rather be a drama queen that gets shit done than whatever the fuck they're doing over there.

And that's why I'm a Jet for life.
They probably found some incredible game-breaking mechanic that will fuck us all over.

Or maybe they only post a letter at a time.
Let's not make this a Rome retake lol.

UNLESS OF COURSE YOU'RE THE LOVER AND YOU HOPE I DIE.

Lol Waaagh. xD Playing Mafia with you is so funzors. This chat is much more interesting than that Rome one we had. Which was like a ghost chat.

On a related note to your unrelated note, didn't someone say a shark could be afk? Lol. I can see you charging into their domain after the game WHICH WE WILL WIN AS SCUM FOR ONCE.
"LET ME SEE ALL YOUR DISCUSSION- HEY THERE'S NOTHING HERE."
-Shark123 was afk for N1-
"FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUU"
-sees Sumi tossing a bar of soap-
"FFFfuh goodness sake..."

Okay I'm having waaay too much fun in this night chat lol.
Lol, yeah I feel like this is Random.Org's way of saying "hey guys, sorry about that last game, I was so wasted. Do over!"

Oh and Clyde reminded me of something with his mention of game breaking mechanics. It's not quite game breaking, but I was thinking of a possible peace treaty we could establish with the Sharks.

It involves us both sending our GF out every night, and not targetting the other Mafia. Then after our GF gets sacrificed we put in his last will something along the lines of asking the Sharks to sac their GF. Then we each pick a member to sac, and form a combined team to wreak havoc on the town as a super group. And then the people that died will win with us as a giant happy family.

And it also means we don't have to worry about the lover mechanic THAT SUMI PROBABLY IS since the lover turns into a mafia during that "event". I don't know, I figure we could use our death note to see what the other team thinks?

[Kenny]

Yeah, the Lover mechanic is really the hinge for this entire game. The sooner we find our Lover (and the Shark's Lover, preferably), the sooner we can have a super mafia. I'm not sure about the legitimacy of an alliance while the Lovers are alive, if only because eventually they will stab us in the back.

<insert anti-Shark bigotry here>
Peace treaty? That's a possibility. An interesting way to have the Lover THAT WAAAGH PROBABLY IS to win with the Mafia.
I'm not against it if it means we'll win. Though. The only problem I see is, KPN is decreased if we combine and if we sacrifice 2 members each, then we're down to a 6 Mafia party with one kill. I mean, I guess we've eliminated the hostility from an enemy Mafia. But with such a large town we might need the 2KPN to at least thin the crowd first.
It's an idea worth considering though.
That's why I figured it'd be a good thing to communicate to the Sharks via death note. That way we could kind of be like "hey guys we're going to just kill off town instead of targetting you guys, then when town's almost dead, we'll do mass suicides and form a super group and everyone can win, sound good?"

And if we keep communications open with them via deathnotes then we'll be able to coordinate it and prevent the lovers from having to backstab us.
Moar regarding the Lovers. I think they're keeping their options open. I think we can pull this off. :)