Night 1 sharks chat

[Mr. Hat]

This is what goes on in our "Choose your role!" thread


Hello everyone! I'm Dust!

Hello everyone! I'm Ganondorf. My last (and only) experience as scum in FM VII was... less than pleasant. However, I think I know what I need to do to get the job done, and I am optimistic about this game.

My strategy for day 1 is going to be to avoid trying to geeky elected, but not to the point where I'm refusing it and becoming suspicious. As for roles, I'll be whatever.

Hi friends, vornskr here. My own experience as scum was FMIII, which too was less than pleasant. I'm hoping to turn things around this time. XD

Any preferences for roles?

What should be our daytime strategy? Ignore each other? Buddy with each other (WIFOM!)? What are your ideas?

I'll be whatever is given to me.

In general, I'd say it's best to ignore each other completely unless circumstances demand otherwise. Then again, it's best not to be entirely consistent about that, but people are better at noticing who talks to whom than who ignores whom.

One important word of advice: don't post large lists about who you think is what. It almost always gives away more than you want it to, even if you mean to be totally innocent with it.

As for roles, I think we should plan to give the most powerful role to the GF, since he's the only one who's confirmed not to be the lover. My feeling is that the kidnapper is the most powerful of our roles.

Regarding my own role, I'd be most happy being disguiser or consigliere, but consort's fine with me, too.

[Mr. Hat]

Here is me saying to have the GF choose


Garrison should be the one who gives out the roles according to his impressions of people. We can say whether we dislike or like the list and state why. Now we just need to wait for him...

That sounds reasonable.

It also occurs to me that kidnapper, consig, and escort all give us good ways of counterclaiming if we get investigated; disguiser does not. Moreovever, if someone gets investigated as disguiser/detect, the town will have a lot of incentive to lynch them right away. So maybe it's best for the GF to be that role.

It's up to Garrison, depending on who he is and how comfortable he feels with that role. (Since disguiser is probably one of the hardest roles to pull off in FM, especially if the person you disguise as has a distinctive writing style.)

[Mr. Hat]

I thought that the godfather can't take a role...

Also, I would advise that everyone wait before picking an avatar (to act like you've barely touched your account before Day 1 started).

too late...
ugh

[Mr. Hat]

Hey guys I'm goremancer although I'm a bit late.

Well nice to meet you Goremancer.... this is your first Forum Mafia, right?

OK, now for the big reveal... what is the identity of our leader.

By the way, an important piece of advice:

Once our roles have been picked, decide on what role you want to claim when you get pressured. Cit? The investigator counterpart of your role? Something unrelated?

Then brainwash yourself. Think about being that role; think about exactly how you would play in that role's shoes. It's very hard to do, because you have to ignore all the extra info you have as scum, and all the extra concerns you have.

One very, very important detail: When you post in the day chat, do not obsess over your role publically. Don't hypothesize about how things might be the result of your role-type's night actions. It's very easy to give your role (if not your alignment) away by what you choose to focus on during the day. Dust, for example, in the last game I had you marked down as a sinner from Day 1 because of how you were focusing on that role.

Another easy slip to make: If you're talking about something a mafia did at night, be very careful about revealing which mafia did it. That is, if our kill failed to go through, don't accidentally say "I wonder where the Sharks' kill is." Instead, you ought to say "I wonder why there's a missing mafia kill." That's how Shawna found out that Lionel was mafia in FMVII.

Sorry for posting so much. I don't want to seem domineering; I just really want to be the first mafia team to win a game of FM. XD

I'm not sure how much hiding our reals names will be helpful, but in general I think it's a good goal to strive for. In the spirit of that, we should watch out for tells that others could use to find our real names:

Goremancer, I notice two tells that could give you away. You use "ppl" a lot more than anyone else, and you have a tendency to end the last sentence of a post without punctuating it.

Oh, I just noticed that I made a huge mistake in my last post:

NEVER refer to each other by our real identities, even in night chat. We need to get used to thinking of each other as Jason, Victoria, etc. If I ever made such a dumbass slip during the day and called Jason "Goremancer" publically, that would be the end of both of us.

So I don't really want to give you your roles o.o

Disguiser: Jason
Consigliere: Timmy
Kidnapper: Mr Hat
Consort: Victoria

I thought about 2 consorts, could be quite helpful?

I will not tell you my real identity, because this is my first forum mafia :S

GF, I think you get to give yourself a role, too. (Or am I remembering wrong?) The best part of having 2 consorts is that nobody will believe that False put two copies of the same role on one team. So once one consort goes down, the other will hopefully have better luck claiming escort.

I've had a crazy thought about disguiser: what if our disguiser tries to get elected mayor tomorrow, then disguises tomorrow night? It would steal away from the town some pretty powerful abilities... the only question is: would it be worth sacrificing our disguiser's attack so soon?

Dunno I thought we just have 5 possibilites?

I am Zane ;)

(If you're telling us the truth, I think that makes you either Rocshi or Apocist. XD)

Oh, hello Zane. XD

Can I have some moneys? $

We aren't allowed to lie in night chat, right? :)

Sure :)

1) By all means, please talk all you want Timmy. Without a doubt, you're the most experienced player here and we all appreciate the advice.
2) As a general statement, I like to claim roles that AREN'T part of my investigation result. An obvious choice is doctor (very important to town and no way to prove self on own), but I often prefer to take a slightly less 'obvious' claim since claiming doctor seems a bit too obvious. Vigilante maybe? The way I see it, if the claim keeps me alive for one more day, it was worth it, so having everyone make me prove my role (which I can't do) at night might not be all bad.

Sure, I'll take disguiser, but I'll definitely check my posts in here before posting in day chat. We have to take advantage of being able to post during the day, and I fully intend to....

>.> ^.^ <.<

I will play like always and claim citizen, if I'm a target ;)

The problem with claiming vigilante is that vigi's have a day shot in this setup, so you'd be expected to prove yourself immediately.

In general, if you're disguiser, any strategy that goes "I'm X, just let me live till tonight so I can prove myself" will be risky, since town knows that's exactly what a disguiser wants. In that situation, it would probably be better to claim that you were bus driver, and give our kidnapper's actions as your own (probably claiming to have driven yourself the night you got investigated).

Timmy is aggresive

[Mr. Hat]

*looks over the suggested roles*
Okay that sounds fine. Garrison, are you really wanting consort? (You leave one consort for yourself)

Also, for the disguiser, I think that we should divvy up the possible disguiser options (players) to take notes on. Things to note for the disguiser are time they usually get on, style of posting, whether that person buddies or not, etc.

I'm really looking forward to this game. It's a pleasure and an honor to play with you fine gents.
My reply to the first part of this

[Mr. Hat]

The Sharks also set up a "Plans for Day 1" thread. Here is what is there atm


In this thread, I'd like to discuss the possibility of trying to get one of our own elected to mayor or pardoner tomorrow. Both could be extremely advantageous in the long run, though obviously it would be an incredibly risky game to play.

One possibility is to use our disguiser to get the role. Once the disguiser is elected mayor, he can disguise as somebody random, retaining the extra votes/pardoning power, but no one will know where that power has gone to. (If he does this, then he has to be really careful, because he'll still have the extra votes and if that becomes apparent, he'll die for sure.)

Another option is to make good use of our busdriver: elect one of us as mayor, then drive him every night. In the future, our kidnapper can legitimately say that he was trying to protect the mayor. This way, the town would have a hell of a time trying to investigate the mayor to make sure he's a good guy, which is what I assume will happen for whoever gets elected.

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Of course, the danger is that once the mafia-mayor gets exposed, everything could come crumbling down around us. It's pretty risky to put ourselves in the spotlight from the get-go. So the question is:

Is it worth it?

I think that something we should definitely consider is what the town will look for when electing a mayor. I'm running through many potential strategies to get myself elected, but I always have to ask myself what I should be doing to get elected. In my opinion, the risk is far too high and the outcome has too much potential to be far less than favorable. However, I'm still open to the idea if we can flesh out a plan in the next few hours...

I do, however, like the kidnapper idea with the mayor. However, I think we could put it to even more use if the mayor wasn't one of us. I was thinking that we could switch our consig with the mayor every day so that the mayor always shows up as mafia, but the consig always shows up as whatever the mayor is (which still may be scum, but at least isn't one of us).

I don't think we should really try hard to become mayor, I will try it anyways :D

I have one question of the utmost importance to the survival of the Sharks..... what should I make my avatar? <3

[Mr. Hat]

Back to the "choose your role!" thread:

If I can have a role for myself sure. Guess I just didn't understand it :D

[Mr. Hat]

So this is what we have for roles so far:

Garrison: Consort
Timmy: Consigliere
Victoria: Disguiser
Mr. Hat: Kidnapper
Jason: Consort

Once we have unanimity we should officially choose the roles. I see no problem with this and I will do my best as Kidnapper (if that's our final decision).

Any concerns about this list?
My summing up what roles to what person

[Mr. Hat]

Plans thread:

You probably ought to chose an avatar for yourself. It's hard to imagine how, but if we have any input it might link us somehow.

For mayor, mostly I think the town will be looking for someone who seems really pro-town. What I'd do, if I were trying to get elected, would be one of the two following strategies: "I'm vornskr and a cit, so I'm the ideal situation for mayor: I'll be able to use it well, but if it gets me too much attention and I die, at least we won't be losing a power role." or "I'm an investigator. Now that I'm out, I'll need doc heals anyway, so it makes sense to give me mayor too in case there aren't many healing roles out there."


If the mayor isn't one of us, busdriving him won't be as useful, because he'll tell the town that he was driven. So if someone checks him and finds mafia, they'll want the busdriver to come forward with their targets.

If one of us isn't the Mayor then I won't bus drive him. But I do have an idea to use the kidnapper to make us able to bypass heals: We aim to kill one of the lurkers or people who aren't likely to be targeted and I switch that person with our real target. That way, any player who is healing our target actually heals the lurker/non-target.

The only problem I see with this is that a lookout might watch our target and see me visit the lurker/non-target, but I can hopefully lie and say that I am a bus driver and I did switch the dead player with someone else (probably a lurker or someone who I can say I think is scum)

Another reason to use my idea is that on the Kidnapper role card it says "the mayor is immune to bus drives" So our plan about the mayor won't work

Awesome. XD


Then again, if you're ever pressured to claim, your driving decisions might need to make sense from the perspective of the town. We should probably keep your strategy in mind for when we're targeting someone high profile, or who we need to be absolutely sure will die.

Ah, and good catch.

[Mr. Hat]

It sounds potentially like a good idea, but

1) It requires a lot of trust on the lovers' part, since for now they aren't aligned with us. They'd have to stay alive until we were able to trigger the mafia event, which is something we don't want to do until a few days into the game, at least.

2) Is FalseTruth ok with it? Planning to work together with the Jets is, for now, basically opposite of our stated win conditions, so I'd understand if False considered it equivalent to gamethrowing.
first response to my post about the plan

[Mr. Hat]

I am okay with it. If you play against your win conditions now, that's your problem. Take all the risks you want.
FT's awesome response

[Mr. Hat]

It sounds like a good idea, but I think there are two problems to consider...
1) This event allows all 10 mafia to win. Though the Lover event only allows 8 mafia to win, it means that there will be 8 mafia instead of 6 AND it only requires 1 kill action to trigger (while the mafia event takes 4 kill actions to trigger). The point is that, though it may be more idealistic, it isn't as practical as triggering the Lover event. As a result, there may be others who are more inclined to support the Lover event...
2) It requires trust and communication with the Jets. Unless the Lovers reveal (see reason 1), communication will be difficult and anything we do will surely be watched and obstructed with by lookouts, detectives, doctors, bus drivers, etc.

My conclusion: let's wait and see how Day 1 goes before making a REAL conclusion.

PS: I might be tempted to log onto Ganondorf when Day 1 starts so that any observant people can catch me looking with my real account (as if I logged off of Victoria until Day 1 started).
Victoria is thinking more in terms of ease