S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

[Unknown1234]

Arrrgh, just when ye think these scallywags are gone, they be coming back once again to steal your booty!

THEY BEST BE WALKIN' THE PLANK, AN' NO ONE RESTS UNTIL WE FIND THEM.

Pirates Aboard The Crew (living players):
1. Mesk514
2. Orpz
3. Iced_Monopoly
4. Gyrlander
5. Titus
6. Whad
7. MattZed
8. yzb25
9. SuperJack
10. Cryptonic

Washed up Pirates (dead players):

There are two types of pirates you scallywags (role list):
Goon
Goon
Goon
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

One of ye land loverrrs will be walking the plank at the end of this timer, now get to it!!

01:23:00:00

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Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32880-Black-Flag-Nightless?p=660707#post660707)

[yzb25]

glhf!

[Iced_Monopoly]

I shall be back in half an hour. This seems like a good place to start until then. Whad

[yzb25]

I have a feeling Whad rolled scum this game. I guess it ultimately comes down to some kind of host read, but I just get the feeling Unknown chose Ice. Soooo

Iced_Monopoly

[yzb25]

I shall be back in half an hour. This seems like a good place to start until then. Whad

Oh. =3

I was considering voting Whad too, tbf.

[Gyrlander]

I love it when people vote with Host WIFOM as reasoning.

[yzb25]

I have a feeling *Ice* rolled scum this game. I guess it ultimately comes down to some kind of host read, but I just get the feeling Unknown chose Ice. Soooo

Iced_Monopoly

Apologies for triple post spam ^^

[Mesk514]

I'm a citizen, confirmed town here!

[Mesk514]

If we're gonna start using host meta, don't you think crypt would be scum?

[Cryptonic]

I'm an important Town Power role, Doc on me pls

[Mesk514]

Orpz, Crypt, MattZed. GG folks

[Cryptonic]

If we're gonna start using host meta, don't you think crypt would be scum?

If I were to use host meta, I'd assume the host would truly random the roles for their first game.

[Titus]

I'm an important Town Power role, Doc on me pls

I'll heal you with my masonry love. It's ok.

*crosses fingers*

[Cryptonic]

Orpz, Crypt, MattZed. GG folks

FUCK

[Gyrlander]

I'm a citizen, confirmed town here!

Wow, such a coincidence, I'm one too! It's a little strange because there shoudn't be citizens on a ship but... okey!

[Mesk514]

I'm an important Town Power role, Doc on me pls

I'll be all over you, don't you worry ;)

[Titus]

FUCK

Wrong role. I'm a mason, not an escort.

[Cryptonic]

I have a feeling Whad rolled scum this game. I guess it ultimately comes down to some kind of host read, but I just get the feeling Unknown chose Ice. Soooo

Iced_Monopoly

"I think whad rolled scum, so I'm going to vote someone else"
GENIUS

[yzb25]

I love it when people vote with Host WIFOM as reasoning.

You're throwing shade on post #2 of this game for having weak reasoning. You're not even trying to offer another approach. Do you plan to make a few ez points / low-blows, shitpost for a while, collect a few weak town points, then leave like usual?


I'm a citizen, confirmed town here!

Well, I guess Mesk is cleared then! That should make things easier.


If we're gonna start using host meta, don't you think crypt would be scum?

Not necessarily. Even if Unknown made a point of putting a "pro" on the team, he could have chosen another "pro".

[yzb25]

"I think whad rolled scum, so I'm going to vote someone else"
GENIUS

That was my bad. I managed to make a typo in post #3 because I was thinking of Whad at the same time LOL.

[yzb25]

That was my bad. I managed to make a typo in post #3 because I was thinking of Whad at the same time LOL.

#4*

GG.

[Gyrlander]

You're throwing shade on post #2 of this game for having weak reasoning. You're not even trying to offer another approach. Do you plan to make a few ez points / low-blows, shitpost for a while, collect a few weak town points, then leave like usual?

If I was mafia, you would die tonight.

[yzb25]

If I was mafia, you would die tonight.

Are you implying you aren't aware this setup is nightless, even though the setup is called nightless?

[Gyrlander]

Are you implying you aren't aware this setup is nightless, even though the setup is called nightless?

I'm implying that if I was mafia you would die tonight. As that's impossible, I'm passively claiming not being Mafia.

[yzb25]

I'm implying that if I was mafia you would die tonight. As that's impossible, I'm passively claiming not being Mafia.

It looked like you were trying to pretend you don't know mafia don't have a nightkill to look more townie.

That still seems more plausible than this explanation.

[Gyrlander]

It looked like you were trying to pretend you don't know mafia don't have a nightkill to look more townie.

That still seems more plausible than this explanation.

To be honest, I said that but I actually didn't remember this setup was nightless lol. It just sounded great and decided to post it.

[yzb25]

To be honest, I said that but I actually didn't remember this setup was nightless lol. It just sounded great and decided to post it.

K.

[Titus]

MattZed

My vodka's getting warm.

[yzb25]

MattZed

My vodka's getting warm.

While I have the chance, I must ask -

Why the fuck did you call yourself Tit-us? I've probably asked this before, but it really bugs me. If I called myself Pussyces I wouldn't get away with it >.<

[Titus]

While I have the chance, I must ask -

Why the fuck did you call yourself Tit-us? I've probably asked this before, but it really bugs me. If I called myself Pussyces I wouldn't get away with it >.<

It's my maiden name. I've used it since I was kid around online. It harkens back to Rome I think although I haven't traced it back that far.

[Cryptonic]

Or was it after Titus Andromedon? Which is more likely?

[Iced_Monopoly]

I have a feeling Whad rolled scum this game. I guess it ultimately comes down to some kind of host read, but I just get the feeling Unknown chose Ice. Soooo

Iced_Monopoly

Whoops, mistell!

If anything, host meta would leave me as cit. Unknown doesnt want me to have any fun, and would enjoy seeing my d1 mislynch :(

Anyways, I still think Whad is the most appropriate player to be lynching D1. Id vote Gyr, but I hear he's improved, guess we'll see how that pans out.

[yzb25]

It's my maiden name. I've used it since I was kid around online. It harkens back to Rome I think although I haven't traced it back that far.

You're married? Oooh, how long you been married for? :D

Yeah I remember looking your name up the first time I saw it and it came up with some Roman Emperor. I thought you might be some kind of history junkie lol.

[Cryptonic]

If anything, Host Meta would have Unknown make Mesk finally non-Citizen in a game that only has Citizens for Town.
Which is ironic that Mesk would try to use Host Meta but entirely ignore this fact.

INTERESTING

Mesk514

[Orpz]

holy FUCK Mesk got us

[Orpz]

Mesk514

She's gots to go

[Titus]

Or was it after Titus Andromedon? Which is more likely?

I think that was the roman emperor.

[Titus]

Mesk514

[Mesk514]

Look at these scum pushing me! Whatever will I do?

[Iced_Monopoly]

If anything, Host Meta would have Unknown make Mesk finally non-Citizen in a game that only has Citizens for Town.
Which is ironic that Mesk would try to use Host Meta but entirely ignore this fact.

INTERESTING

Mesk514

Seems like a fun concept. Not sure I want to move to it though, I dont think mesk is the type to reveal/slip on D1 if she is scum.

[yzb25]

Whoops, mistell!

If anything, host meta would leave me as cit. Unknown doesnt want me to have any fun, and would enjoy seeing my d1 mislynch :(

Anyways, I still think Whad is the most appropriate player to be lynching D1. Id vote Gyr, but I hear he's improved, guess we'll see how that pans out.

Dunno. I just felt like, after you got fooled so hard in that first S-FM game, Unknown would give you a chance at redemption. Just a gut feeling though.

Your reasoning behind the Whad vote seems deliberately short, so I'll let that slide for now. Anyway, you're not voting Gyr because you "hear he's improved"? How does that follow?

[Iced_Monopoly]

Mesk514

Psssh, what is this, not even a witty quip to accompany the vote?
Too serious for my liking, pretty suspicious pal.

[Cryptonic]

Born Ronald Ephen Wilkerson in Chickasaw County, Mississippi, where he was raised by five aunts, Titus Andromedon had no choice but to stay in the closet, and an extremely awkward time in high school, stuck as a popular kid on the football team who girls wanted to have sex with all the time. He was selected prom king during high school. He remained in the closet until his wedding day to childhood friend Vonda Jeanne Brooks. The thought of the wedding night was too much for him and he fled the reception without saying goodbye, travelling to New York to begin a new life under a new name, Titus Andromedon.

Titus is openly gay, and is an aspiring Broadway performer. He auditioned for The Lion King on Broadway at least 20 times and never got in because he never came off as straight. He tried to put on his own production, but only got one audience member, who had simply come to show him copyright laws.

His rival is Coriolanus Burt (James Monroe Iglehart), who beat him for the role of Sharecropper #2/Cow in Alabama!, an all black version of Oklahoma!, by running onto the stage in the middle of his performance at callbacks and announcing the death of Gianni Versace.

Titus rents from Lillian Kaushtupper (Carol Kane), and makes a few bucks by walking around dressed as an Iron Man-esque character. Kimmy Schmidt (Ellie Kemper) becomes his roommate, and convinces him to return the costume and get back his investment fee, which, with some effort, he does.

Unfortunately, the money ($200) is stolen from him after Titus awkwardly sang "I'll Make Love to You" at a random man's funeral. He later gets fancy new headshots taken, and gets an agent. He then auditions for the role of Spider-Man #12 in the musical Spider-Man Too: 2 Many Spider-Men, a parody of Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark and over-crowded superhero movies. However, after humiliating Coriolanus when he loses as well, he is happy because he realizes the Alabama! role wasn't the big break he thought it was.

Titus then makes a music video of an original song, titled "Peeno Noir" meaning An Ode to Black Penis. Lillian films it for him, though finding the exact location is hard (including a bat-infested chandelier factory). As a result, he helps Xanthippe Voorhees clean up after her drunken party, in order to shoot the video in her house and keep from getting Kimmy fired.

Kimmy then gets Titus a gig singing at Jacqueline Voorhees' dinner party, where he meets the owner of a spooky-themed singing restaurant, where he gets a part as a Frankenwolf. He auditions for a part at the restaurant with a monologue, but after he doesn't get it, he takes very intense acting lessons about how to act like a straight man.

Titus drags Kimmy down to Indiana for the trial of Rev. Richard Wayne Gary Wayne, where he takes all the TV and radio shows for her. One TV show starts without him realizing, causing his viral video Gonna Be Famous (Remix) to become an Internet hit. This video later led to Titus' wife Vonda, who believed he was dead, arriving in Indiana to see him.

At the start of the show's second season, Vonda attempts to sue Titus for spousal support; however, as Titus was legally declared dead in 2008, Vonda's lawsuit couldn't go forward. It was later revealed that Vonda wanted an apology from Titus, which he initially refused though Kimmy pushed him to do so. He eventually did apologize to Vonda at the train station, and the two reconciled as friends. Titus, who was often resistant to relationships because he felt he would be let down at the end, later became involved with a construction worker named Mikey Politano, who was initially struggling with his sexuality and would eventually come out with the help of Titus.

He also began workshopping his new musical Kimono You Didn't: Murasaki's Journey, about his past life as a geisha, which initially sparked internet controversy but was ultimately well-received, and, after being promoted to Spooky Gravedigger, quit his job at Dr. Dracula's Spooky Lab & Bar & Grill. He then booked a Miami cruise called Mahogany starring Dionne Warwick.

[Gyrlander]

Born Ronald Ephen Wilkerson in Chickasaw County, Mississippi, where he was raised by five aunts, Titus Andromedon had no choice but to stay in the closet, and an extremely awkward time in high school, stuck as a popular kid on the football team who girls wanted to have sex with all the time. He was selected prom king during high school. He remained in the closet until his wedding day to childhood friend Vonda Jeanne Brooks. The thought of the wedding night was too much for him and he fled the reception without saying goodbye, travelling to New York to begin a new life under a new name, Titus Andromedon.

Titus is openly gay, and is an aspiring Broadway performer. He auditioned for The Lion King on Broadway at least 20 times and never got in because he never came off as straight. He tried to put on his own production, but only got one audience member, who had simply come to show him copyright laws.

His rival is Coriolanus Burt (James Monroe Iglehart), who beat him for the role of Sharecropper #2/Cow in Alabama!, an all black version of Oklahoma!, by running onto the stage in the middle of his performance at callbacks and announcing the death of Gianni Versace.

Titus rents from Lillian Kaushtupper (Carol Kane), and makes a few bucks by walking around dressed as an Iron Man-esque character. Kimmy Schmidt (Ellie Kemper) becomes his roommate, and convinces him to return the costume and get back his investment fee, which, with some effort, he does.

Unfortunately, the money ($200) is stolen from him after Titus awkwardly sang "I'll Make Love to You" at a random man's funeral. He later gets fancy new headshots taken, and gets an agent. He then auditions for the role of Spider-Man #12 in the musical Spider-Man Too: 2 Many Spider-Men, a parody of Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark and over-crowded superhero movies. However, after humiliating Coriolanus when he loses as well, he is happy because he realizes the Alabama! role wasn't the big break he thought it was.

Titus then makes a music video of an original song, titled "Peeno Noir" meaning An Ode to Black Penis. Lillian films it for him, though finding the exact location is hard (including a bat-infested chandelier factory). As a result, he helps Xanthippe Voorhees clean up after her drunken party, in order to shoot the video in her house and keep from getting Kimmy fired.

Kimmy then gets Titus a gig singing at Jacqueline Voorhees' dinner party, where he meets the owner of a spooky-themed singing restaurant, where he gets a part as a Frankenwolf. He auditions for a part at the restaurant with a monologue, but after he doesn't get it, he takes very intense acting lessons about how to act like a straight man.

Titus drags Kimmy down to Indiana for the trial of Rev. Richard Wayne Gary Wayne, where he takes all the TV and radio shows for her. One TV show starts without him realizing, causing his viral video Gonna Be Famous (Remix) to become an Internet hit. This video later led to Titus' wife Vonda, who believed he was dead, arriving in Indiana to see him.

At the start of the show's second season, Vonda attempts to sue Titus for spousal support; however, as Titus was legally declared dead in 2008, Vonda's lawsuit couldn't go forward. It was later revealed that Vonda wanted an apology from Titus, which he initially refused though Kimmy pushed him to do so. He eventually did apologize to Vonda at the train station, and the two reconciled as friends. Titus, who was often resistant to relationships because he felt he would be let down at the end, later became involved with a construction worker named Mikey Politano, who was initially struggling with his sexuality and would eventually come out with the help of Titus.

He also began workshopping his new musical Kimono You Didn't: Murasaki's Journey, about his past life as a geisha, which initially sparked internet controversy but was ultimately well-received, and, after being promoted to Spooky Gravedigger, quit his job at Dr. Dracula's Spooky Lab & Bar & Grill. He then booked a Miami cruise called Mahogany starring Dionne Warwick.

Cryptonic

[Iced_Monopoly]

Dunno. I just felt like, after you got fooled so hard in that first S-FM game, Unknown would give you a chance at redemption. Just a gut feeling though.

Your reasoning behind the Whad vote seems deliberately short, so I'll let that slide for now. Anyway, you're not voting Gyr because you "hear he's improved"? How does that follow?

Yeah nah, Unknown doesnt like me enough to give me a 'chance'. Also Im not sure I follow your logic, I have played many games between my first S-Fm and this one, what is the correlation?

Whad easily cracks and reveals himself, so does my current knowledge of gyr, however I hear that hes improved, so its probably less likely he'll do something stupid, like I believe Whad will. Therefore he is the better candidate for a lynch. Pretty simple stuff :)

[Cryptonic]

Seems like a fun concept. Not sure I want to move to it though, I dont think mesk is the type to reveal/slip on D1 if she is scum.

Interesting decision to defend Mesk so early into Day 1.
It is noted

[Iced_Monopoly]

Interesting decision to defend Mesk so early into Day 1.
It is noted

Naw, just sticking her on the backburner till D2+

Interesting decision to mark my dismissal as a defensive stance so early into Day 1.
It is noted.

Jks.

[Gyrlander]

Yeah nah, Unknown doesnt like me enough to give me a 'chance'. Also Im not sure I follow your logic, I have played many games between my first S-Fm and this one, what is the correlation?

Whad easily cracks and reveals himself, so does my current knowledge of gyr, however I hear that hes improved, so its probably less likely he'll do something stupid, like I believe Whad will. Therefore he is the better candidate for a lynch. Pretty simple stuff :)

Wait wait, I thought that you said that you would vote me for a policy lynch but you heard I was improved. But you actually are not going to vote me because now I may or may not be better at camouflaging my secret mafiareino / piraterino agenda?

[Cryptonic]

Naw, just sticking her on the backburner till D2+

Interesting decision to mark my dismissal as a defensive stance so early into Day 1.
It is noted.

Jks.

Lol

Can you explain, though, why you decided on D1 to allow her to remain on the backburner until later in the game?

[Cryptonic]

OMG GUYS GYRLANDER DONATED

[yzb25]

Yeah nah, Unknown doesnt like me enough to give me a 'chance'. Also Im not sure I follow your logic, I have played many games between my first S-Fm and this one, what is the correlation?

Whad easily cracks and reveals himself, so does my current knowledge of gyr, however I hear that hes improved, so its probably less likely he'll do something stupid, like I believe Whad will. Therefore he is the better candidate for a lynch. Pretty simple stuff :)

I mean the first Nightless game, not your first game ever lol. I mean, if I made a setup sequel and handpicked rather than RNG'd, I'd take people's last roles into consideration ^^.

Hmm. How about me? I've only played one more scumgame since Instant Mafia, and I didn't do much better. Why wouldn't you consider prodding me?

[Iced_Monopoly]

Wait wait, I thought that you said that you would vote me for a policy lynch but you heard I was improved. But you actually are not going to vote me because now I may or may not be better at camouflaging my secret mafiareino / piraterino agenda?

Probably better than Whad. Like I said, we'll see if that is actually true.

[Iced_Monopoly]

OMG GUYS GYRLANDER DONATED

Im not going to vote her for 'host meta' on d1. Il wait until I actually see her doing something scummy. Which given this sites tendancy to do jack shit D1, will probably happen on D2 or later.

[Gyrlander]

OMG GUYS GYRLANDER DONATED

I may or may not have donated.

[Titus]

She takes a vodka drink
She takes a vodka drink

She gets knocked down
She gets up again

Oh yeah I ain't never staying down

[Iced_Monopoly]

I mean the first Nightless game, not your first game ever lol. I mean, if I made a setup sequel and handpicked rather than RNG'd, I'd take people's last roles into consideration ^^.

Hmm. How about me? I've only played one more scumgame since Instant Mafia, and I didn't do much better. Why wouldn't you consider prodding me?

Honestly I have no recollection of BFN The First. Il get round to prodding you eventually, patience my child.

[Mesk514]

scum will obvi be on my train guys, im willing to go for science!
but when i flip, get crypt, orpz and mattzed

[Titus]

scum will obvi be on my train guys, im willing to go for science!
but when i flip, get crypt, orpz and mattzed

Is this serious?

[Cryptonic]

Im not going to vote her for 'host meta' on d1. Il wait until I actually see her doing something scummy. Which given this sites tendancy to do jack shit D1, will probably happen on D2 or later.

That is fair enough. At long as a reason exists for you to buddy her :p

However, I'm not voting her because of host meta. I'm voting her for attempting (even in joke) to use host meta to read someone as scum, while host meta could also dictate that she was scum. Yet, she didn't address that.
Is this a good read? No, absolutely not lol.
Is it the best so far on D1? Yea, I think so.

[SuperJack]

Born Ronald Ephen Wilkerson in Chickasaw County, Mississippi, where he was raised by five aunts, Titus Andromedon had no choice but to stay in the closet, and an extremely awkward time in high school, stuck as a popular kid on the football team who girls wanted to have sex with all the time. He was selected prom king during high school. He remained in the closet until his wedding day to childhood friend Vonda Jeanne Brooks. The thought of the wedding night was too much for him and he fled the reception without saying goodbye, travelling to New York to begin a new life under a new name, Titus Andromedon.

Titus is openly gay, and is an aspiring Broadway performer. He auditioned for The Lion King on Broadway at least 20 times and never got in because he never came off as straight. He tried to put on his own production, but only got one audience member, who had simply come to show him copyright laws.

His rival is Coriolanus Burt (James Monroe Iglehart), who beat him for the role of Sharecropper #2/Cow in Alabama!, an all black version of Oklahoma!, by running onto the stage in the middle of his performance at callbacks and announcing the death of Gianni Versace.

Titus rents from Lillian Kaushtupper (Carol Kane), and makes a few bucks by walking around dressed as an Iron Man-esque character. Kimmy Schmidt (Ellie Kemper) becomes his roommate, and convinces him to return the costume and get back his investment fee, which, with some effort, he does.

Unfortunately, the money ($200) is stolen from him after Titus awkwardly sang "I'll Make Love to You" at a random man's funeral. He later gets fancy new headshots taken, and gets an agent. He then auditions for the role of Spider-Man #12 in the musical Spider-Man Too: 2 Many Spider-Men, a parody of Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark and over-crowded superhero movies. However, after humiliating Coriolanus when he loses as well, he is happy because he realizes the Alabama! role wasn't the big break he thought it was.

Titus then makes a music video of an original song, titled "Peeno Noir" meaning An Ode to Black Penis. Lillian films it for him, though finding the exact location is hard (including a bat-infested chandelier factory). As a result, he helps Xanthippe Voorhees clean up after her drunken party, in order to shoot the video in her house and keep from getting Kimmy fired.

Kimmy then gets Titus a gig singing at Jacqueline Voorhees' dinner party, where he meets the owner of a spooky-themed singing restaurant, where he gets a part as a Frankenwolf. He auditions for a part at the restaurant with a monologue, but after he doesn't get it, he takes very intense acting lessons about how to act like a straight man.

Titus drags Kimmy down to Indiana for the trial of Rev. Richard Wayne Gary Wayne, where he takes all the TV and radio shows for her. One TV show starts without him realizing, causing his viral video Gonna Be Famous (Remix) to become an Internet hit. This video later led to Titus' wife Vonda, who believed he was dead, arriving in Indiana to see him.

At the start of the show's second season, Vonda attempts to sue Titus for spousal support; however, as Titus was legally declared dead in 2008, Vonda's lawsuit couldn't go forward. It was later revealed that Vonda wanted an apology from Titus, which he initially refused though Kimmy pushed him to do so. He eventually did apologize to Vonda at the train station, and the two reconciled as friends. Titus, who was often resistant to relationships because he felt he would be let down at the end, later became involved with a construction worker named Mikey Politano, who was initially struggling with his sexuality and would eventually come out with the help of Titus.

He also began workshopping his new musical Kimono You Didn't: Murasaki's Journey, about his past life as a geisha, which initially sparked internet controversy but was ultimately well-received, and, after being promoted to Spooky Gravedigger, quit his job at Dr. Dracula's Spooky Lab & Bar & Grill. He then booked a Miami cruise called Mahogany starring Dionne Warwick.

Cryptonic

Its way to early to get this much information on a player. Case of TMI.

[Cryptonic]

I may or may not have donated.

Well, regardless, welcome to the club of cool kids. Hopefully you receive your complementary hat and t-shirt in the mail soon.

[SuperJack]

I may or may not have donated.

=)

[Cryptonic]

Cryptonic

Its way to early to get this much information on a player. Case of TMI.

Lmao Actually laughed out loud at this. 10/10

[SuperJack]

Well, regardless, welcome to the club of cool kids. Hopefully you receive your complementary hat and t-shirt in the mail soon.

Its called Sigal. Do not forget it.

[Gyrlander]

Mesk doesn't do scummy things. She just... does things.

[SuperJack]

Mesk doesn't do scummy things. She just... does things.

You praise the wrong God you nincompoop.

[SuperJack]

scum will obvi be on my train guys, im willing to go for science!
but when i flip, get crypt, orpz and mattzed

Lol Bias at FM Staff.

[Iced_Monopoly]

That is fair enough. At long as a reason exists for you to buddy her :p

However, I'm not voting her because of host meta. I'm voting her for attempting (even in joke) to use host meta to read someone as scum, while host meta could also dictate that she was scum. Yet, she didn't address that.
Is this a good read? No, absolutely not lol.
Is it the best so far on D1? Yea, I think so.

Fair enough

[Mesk514]

I am a god when it comes to this game, Im happy Gyrlander can finally appreciate me.

[yzb25]

Mesk514 Even if you genuinely wish to martyr yourself, how can you expect people to actually follow you upon your death with that skint-ass reasoning? Unless you're a really influential player, you're unlikely to have your reads sheeped after death.

[Cryptonic]

I am a god when it comes to this game, Im happy Gyrlander can finally appreciate me.

Exactly. Why do you think we need to lynch you. You will rickroll us if ur mafias

[Titus]

Whad (1 [L-5]):
Iced_Monopoly
Iced_Monopoly (1 [L-5]):
yzb25
Mesk514 (3 [L-3]):
Titus, Cryptonic, Orpz
Cryptonic (2 [L-4]):
Gyrlander, SuperJack

Push back on Crypt is interesting. If Mesk is scum, Gyr or SJ is a good candidate for a partner.

[Gyrlander]

I am a god when it comes to this game, Im happy Gyrlander can finally appreciate me.

I'll always vote you for most improved player.

[yzb25]

holy FUCK Mesk got us


Mesk514

She's gots to go

Dafuq Orpz just made these two posts one after the other then left. Literally jumping on the bandwagon >.>

[Whad]

Why hello there everyone! Glad to be back at it and back in it with all of you.


I shall be back in half an hour. This seems like a good place to start until then. Whad

Hey dude, really hope there are no hard feelings from last game. I remember you were a bit upset. We cool? If this is just RVS and we cool then I LIKE IT.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Since Whads not here yet, and everyone else has checked in, Il make my case for a D1 lynch on him as follows, and encourage others to vote for him.

Whad is the most likely player from this group of players to reveal the most information when facing pressure, and an eventual lynch.

If Whad remains quiet throughout his amounting pressure, and volunteers little to no information (reads, thoughts, strategies etc.) then it will all but confirm him as scum (imo) as it contradicts his usual play.

If Whad remains vocal, we will probably be able to glean more information from him (than any other player) and, in conjuction with the interactions he has with every other player in the game, have a decent position to move forward with on D2.

Obviously the second point is true for any player in this nightless setup, but I believe Whad will be most beneficial out of all the candidates.

These assumptions are biased toward Whad being scum, but this opportunity to have a good footing D2 still exists if he is town.


If anyone disagrees, feel free to post, given this strategy is based on my own meta read of whad. Chime in if its incorrect, or you feel someone is better.

[Gyrlander]

Whad (1 [L-5]):
Iced_Monopoly
Iced_Monopoly (1 [L-5]):
yzb25
Mesk514 (3 [L-3]):
Titus, Cryptonic, Orpz
Cryptonic (2 [L-4]):
Gyrlander, SuperJack

Push back on Crypt is interesting. If Mesk is scum, Gyr or SJ is a good candidate for a partner.

I can see how you got there, but it is so horrible reasoning that I will ignore it.

[Cryptonic]

Wow that's embarrassing, Iced

[yzb25]

Why hello there everyone! Glad to be back at it and back in it with all of you.



Hey dude, really hope there are no hard feelings from last game. I remember you were a bit upset. We cool? If this is just RVS and we cool then I LIKE IT.

What do you think about the possibility Ice is trying to push you as scum because he thinks you may prove easy to frame? You've been misunderstood in the past as town I believe.

[Mesk514]

im innocent, i swear

[Mesk514]

by the way, im so happy to see Whad back!
i missed you my love <3

[yzb25]

im innocent, i swear

Stop with the weak ass "oooh I'm acting so shady by repeatedly calling myself innocent I ironically look like town" shit and fucking talk to me!


Mesk514 Even if you genuinely wish to martyr yourself, how can you expect people to actually follow you upon your death with that skint-ass reasoning? Unless you're a really influential player, you're unlikely to have your reads sheeped after death.

I LITERALLY pinged! You are LITERALLY the worst for not answering me.

Ansur me u sneeky litul poopoo!

[Gyrlander]

by the way, im so happy to see Whad back!
i missed you my love <3

Stop saying bluff shit and start giving some important, relevant and sexy information that we can use in different ways.

[Whad]

Whoops, mistell!

If anything, host meta would leave me as cit. Unknown doesnt want me to have any fun, and would enjoy seeing my d1 mislynch :(

Anyways, I still think Whad is the most appropriate player to be lynching D1. Id vote Gyr, but I hear he's improved, guess we'll see how that pans out.

Town only gets 3 mislynches. It's hugely irresponsible to push policy lynches in a setup like this.


If anything, Host Meta would have Unknown make Mesk finally non-Citizen in a game that only has Citizens for Town.
Which is ironic that Mesk would try to use Host Meta but entirely ignore this fact.

INTERESTING

Mesk514

So far, Mesk seems like town Mesk to me. Just based on the general attitude.


Yeah nah, Unknown doesnt like me enough to give me a 'chance'. Also Im not sure I follow your logic, I have played many games between my first S-Fm and this one, what is the correlation?

Whad easily cracks and reveals himself, so does my current knowledge of gyr, however I hear that hes improved, so its probably less likely he'll do something stupid, like I believe Whad will. Therefore he is the better candidate for a lynch. Pretty simple stuff :)

Oh if you're actually voting me to try to get a read and not b/c of policy from the last game... then I LIKE IT

[Mesk514]

Stop with the weak ass "oooh I'm acting so shady by repeatedly calling myself innocent I ironically look like town" shit and fucking talk to me!



I LITERALLY pinged! You are LITERALLY the worst for not answering me.

Ansur me u sneeky litul poopoo!

because i have good reasoning, look at everyone gang banging me right off the back. im clearly inno

[Mesk514]

INNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Gyrlander]

INNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO

I SERIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO VOTE YOU BUT YOU'RE MAKING IT REALLY DIFFICULT.

[yzb25]

because i have good reasoning, look at everyone gang banging me right off the back. im clearly inno

@Everyone else

Will you lynch Orpz, Mattzed and Cryptonic if Mesk flips innocent, because they pressure voted her too quickly (even though Matt hasn't even gotten on yet and hasn't voted Mesk)?

I refuse to believe you actually think this way. This martyr shit is clearly an excuse to do jack >.<

[Iced_Monopoly]

Town only gets 3 mislynches. It's hugely irresponsible to push policy lynches in a setup like this.



So far, Mesk seems like town Mesk to me. Just based on the general attitude.



Oh if you're actually voting me to try to get a read and not b/c of policy from the last game... then I LIKE IT


3 mislynches yes, but given the nature of D1, its statistically more likely to be a mislynch anyways. Why not atleast utilise this opportunity to get the most information from a player for D2 onwards? Do you disagree with my strategy, or the fact that youre the centerpiece in it?

If its the strategy, how would you approach the D1 lynch given youre so worried about the number of mislynches we have?

[yzb25]

Considering you always go on about the site having no common sense and shit Mesk, this is triggering AF.

[SuperJack]

@Everyone else

Will you lynch Orpz, Mattzed and Cryptonic if Mesk flips innocent, because they pressure voted her too quickly (even though Matt hasn't even gotten on yet and hasn't voted Mesk)?

I refuse to believe you actually think this way. This martyr shit is clearly an excuse to do jack >.<

People just be a load of old wankers in the Early game.
Anywho Cryptonic is Scum. I made my case earlier.

[Iced_Monopoly]

@Everyone else

Will you lynch Orpz, Mattzed and Cryptonic if Mesk flips innocent, because they pressure voted her too quickly (even though Matt hasn't even gotten on yet and hasn't voted Mesk)?

I refuse to believe you actually think this way. This martyr shit is clearly an excuse to do jack >.<

If anything, mesks comments seemed like a joke, as did the votes made by others.

Im not particularly alarmed by the Orpz vote, although his absense afterwards is something to look at.
If anything from that wagon, titus is the one to look at. Didnt even offer a reason to join, nor was she mentioned by mesk (the others at least were)

[SuperJack]

3 mislynches yes, but given the nature of D1, its statistically more likely to be a mislynch anyways. Why not atleast utilise this opportunity to get the most information from a player for D2 onwards? Do you disagree with my strategy, or the fact that youre the centerpiece in it?

If its the strategy, how would you approach the D1 lynch given youre so worried about the number of mislynches we have?

Should Policy lynch Orpz but w/e

[Gyrlander]

People just be a load of old wankers in the Early game.
Anywho Cryptonic is Scum. I made my case earlier.

W-wa-wait... do you mean... this case?


Cryptonic

Its way to early to get this much information on a player. Case of TMI.

[SuperJack]

W-wa-wait... do you mean... this case?

Yeh, I wasn't subtle. He said a bunch of words, it included Titus. Not dug into it yet but I'll do it when I'm not drowning my sorrows on a non-existent cup of tea.

[Whad]

Since Whads not here yet, and everyone else has checked in, Il make my case for a D1 lynch on him as follows, and encourage others to vote for him.

Whad is the most likely player from this group of players to reveal the most information when facing pressure, and an eventual lynch.

If Whad remains quiet throughout his amounting pressure, and volunteers little to no information (reads, thoughts, strategies etc.) then it will all but confirm him as scum (imo) as it contradicts his usual play.

If Whad remains vocal, we will probably be able to glean more information from him (than any other player) and, in conjuction with the interactions he has with every other player in the game, have a decent position to move forward with on D2.

Obviously the second point is true for any player in this nightless setup, but I believe Whad will be most beneficial out of all the candidates.

These assumptions are biased toward Whad being scum, but this opportunity to have a good footing D2 still exists if he is town.


If anyone disagrees, feel free to post, given this strategy is based on my own meta read of whad. Chime in if its incorrect, or you feel someone is better.

Why do you think I'm the most likely to reveal information out of every player in this setup? It's not like there are roles in this setup besides citizen or goon so it's impossible I'd breadcrumb a PR claim.

Early D1, I think it's important to push lots of trains and not tunnel in on pushing a policy lynch on the one person you have a personal beef with. Can't tell yet if this sounds more like town with a vendetta or like scum trying to mislynch the low hanging fruit.

My thought is that since we only have 3 mislynches, it's best to use those on people who are HARD to read instead of people you think will be EASY to read/crack under pressure.

[Gyrlander]

Yeh, I wasn't subtle. He said a bunch of words, it included Titus. Not dug into it yet but I'll do it when I'm not drowning my sorrows on a non-existent cup of tea.

Oh, you as well? Dang, how cruel society is these days!

[Gyrlander]

Why do you think I'm the most likely to reveal information out of every player in this setup? It's not like there are roles in this setup besides citizen or goon so it's impossible I'd breadcrumb a PR claim.

Early D1, I think it's important to push lots of trains and not tunnel in on pushing a policy lynch on the one person you have a personal beef with. Can't tell yet if this sounds more like town with a vendetta or like scum trying to mislynch the low hanging fruit.

My thought is that since we only have 3 mislynches, it's best to use those on people who are HARD to read instead of people you think will be EASY to read/crack under pressure.

And why don't we check people that easily crack under pressure to see if they're evil and avoid lynching potential townies?

[Iced_Monopoly]

Why do you think I'm the most likely to reveal information out of every player in this setup? It's not like there are roles in this setup besides citizen or goon so it's impossible I'd breadcrumb a PR claim.

Early D1, I think it's important to push lots of trains and not tunnel in on pushing a policy lynch on the one person you have a personal beef with. Can't tell yet if this sounds more like town with a vendetta or like scum trying to mislynch the low hanging fruit.

My thought is that since we only have 3 mislynches, it's best to use those on people who are HARD to read instead of people you think will be EASY to read/crack under pressure.

No vendetta, Honestly dont recall the previous 'beef'. You acknowledge yourself as low hanging fruit though, interesting.

I agree that wiping out the better 'hard' to read players makes sense, as it allows weaker players to be easily exposed later, but then that also leaves weaker players to have to control the game, which could be worse than trying to decipher harder to read players. Also hard to read players may have less interactions with other players, so its more difficult to determine a team composition.

[Whad]

What do you think about the possibility Ice is trying to push you as scum because he thinks you may prove easy to frame? You've been misunderstood in the past as town I believe.

I think that it's too early to tell what Iced's intentions are, but I'll wait to see how he responds to my response to his post.

[SuperJack]

I think that it's too early to tell what Iced's intentions are, but I'll wait to see how he responds to my response to his post.

Do you think they are viewing you from a biased un-cosigning angle?
Or perhaps upraising needless issues as a form of tradesmen?

[Whad]

by the way, im so happy to see Whad back!
i missed you my love <3

Hi Mesk :)


@Everyone else

Will you lynch Orpz, Mattzed and Cryptonic if Mesk flips innocent, because they pressure voted her too quickly (even though Matt hasn't even gotten on yet and hasn't voted Mesk)?

I refuse to believe you actually think this way. This martyr shit is clearly an excuse to do jack >.<

No, not BECAUSE they pressure voted her too quickly. Although Orpz leaving after joining a train seems a bit suspect.


3 mislynches yes, but given the nature of D1, its statistically more likely to be a mislynch anyways. Why not atleast utilise this opportunity to get the most information from a player for D2 onwards? Do you disagree with my strategy, or the fact that youre the centerpiece in it?

If its the strategy, how would you approach the D1 lynch given youre so worried about the number of mislynches we have?

I don't think that tunneling to a lynch gives the most information D1. I think that (especially in a nightless game), putting up a bunch of trains and seeing interactions and who is willing to hop on what trains and not on others gives us the most information. In fact, I think that having multiple players get up to L-1 on D1 but were let live in favor of a different D1 lynch gives us the most information moving forward.

[yzb25]

If anything, mesks comments seemed like a joke, as did the votes made by others.

Im not particularly alarmed by the Orpz vote, although his absense afterwards is something to look at.
If anything from that wagon, titus is the one to look at. Didnt even offer a reason to join, nor was she mentioned by mesk (the others at least were)

The issue is not that she jokes, the issue is that she made the joke her defense. If she can make herself a joke, and her whole lynch a joke, noone will take it seriously, and then she can fade back into the background and do jackshit for the rest of the game. It's pretty clear Crypt and Titus think Mesk is the best vote on the table currently, even if Orpz is being a slimeball.

And it seems pretty clear that she is at least half-seriously pushing the idea that lynching all the best players is the optimal strategy, anyway.

I concur your statements regarding Orpz. I don't feel the same way about Titus, though.

[SuperJack]

The issue is not that she jokes, the issue is that she made the joke her defense. If she can make herself a joke, and her whole lynch a joke, noone will take it seriously, and then she can fade back into the background and do jackshit for the rest of the game. It's pretty clear Crypt and Titus think Mesk is the best vote on the table currently, even if Orpz is being a slimeball.

And it seems pretty clear that she is at least half-seriously pushing the idea that lynching all the best players is the optimal strategy, anyway.

I concur your statements regarding Orpz. I don't feel the same way about Titus, though.

I think that your forum of analogising the forthcoming is perhaps a bit outdated compared to the meta overgraph.

[Titus]

@Everyone else

Will you lynch Orpz, Mattzed and Cryptonic if Mesk flips innocent, because they pressure voted her too quickly (even though Matt hasn't even gotten on yet and hasn't voted Mesk)?

I refuse to believe you actually think this way. This martyr shit is clearly an excuse to do jack >.<

WHy are you supposing Matt will vote Mesk?

[Titus]

Should Policy lynch Orpz but w/e

You are really scattershot.

[yzb25]

I think that your forum of analogising the forthcoming is perhaps a bit outdated compared to the meta overgraph.

Mesk is extremely self-aware, so it's not.

[Whad]

And why don't we check people that easily crack under pressure to see if they're evil and avoid lynching potential townies?

See your mindset is more "put pressure on a player and get alignment info" which I like.

Iced's mindset is more "let's policy lynch Whad and if Whad is actually town then its not that bad anyway"

These assumptions are biased toward Whad being scum, but this opportunity to have a good footing D2 still exists if he is town.



No vendetta, Honestly dont recall the previous 'beef'. You acknowledge yourself as low hanging fruit though, interesting.

I agree that wiping out the better 'hard' to read players makes sense, as it allows weaker players to be easily exposed later, but then that also leaves weaker players to have to control the game, which could be worse than trying to decipher harder to read players. Also hard to read players may have less interactions with other players, so its more difficult to determine a team composition.

Lol ok glad to hear we're cool. I define all policy lynches as low hanging fruit.

If hard to read players have less interactions with others then how would we ever get reads on them? The only way to know for sure is to lynch or use threat of lynch.

[Mesk514]

Mesk is extremely self-aware, so it's not.

i have tittys and a vagina, whats there not to be aware about?

[Titus]

Hi Mesk :)



No, not BECAUSE they pressure voted her too quickly. Although Orpz leaving after joining a train seems a bit suspect.



I don't think that tunneling to a lynch gives the most information D1. I think that (especially in a nightless game), putting up a bunch of trains and seeing interactions and who is willing to hop on what trains and not on others gives us the most information. In fact, I think that having multiple players get up to L-1 on D1 but were let live in favor of a different D1 lynch gives us the most information moving forward.

Speed of a wagon is NAI, especially on day 1. Forever long days can be toxic to town.

[Titus]

The issue is not that she jokes, the issue is that she made the joke her defense. If she can make herself a joke, and her whole lynch a joke, noone will take it seriously, and then she can fade back into the background and do jackshit for the rest of the game. It's pretty clear Crypt and Titus think Mesk is the best vote on the table currently, even if Orpz is being a slimeball.

And it seems pretty clear that she is at least half-seriously pushing the idea that lynching all the best players is the optimal strategy, anyway.

I concur your statements regarding Orpz. I don't feel the same way about Titus, though.

What is it you're saying here about me?

[Mesk514]

btw i was scum Black Flag, use that for host meta.. what are the odds? very slim i bet since im town :)

[Whad]

Do you think they are viewing you from a biased un-cosigning angle?
Or perhaps upraising needless issues as a form of tradesmen?

I have literally no idea what you are talking about here. Tradesmen? Un-cosigning?

[yzb25]

WHy are you supposing Matt will vote Mesk?

I was making a point. Mesk's point is that she's cool with being lynched as long as we lynch Matt, Orpz and Crypt after her death. And she says people will follow through on that because of host meta and shallow VCA.

The answer to the blue question is supposed to be a resounding "no I wouldn't sheep a dead town's reads if they're shit".

[Whad]

Speed of a wagon is NAI, especially on day 1. Forever long days can be toxic to town.

The day ends based on a time limit, not on when someone gets hammered. Not sure if you missed that.

[yzb25]

What is it you're saying here about me?

That I disagree with Ice's assessment of your vote on mesk.

[SuperJack]

Mesk is extremely self-aware, so it's not.

I feel like you are Condescending the point I'm trying to make here, if you take a step back and look at the overview, you will see that there is a correlation between a tantamount wolf-pack type scenario.

[yzb25]

I feel like you are Condescending the point I'm trying to make here, if you take a step back and look at the overview, you will see that there is a correlation between a tantamount wolf-pack type scenario.

I'm not sure what you're saying right now. When you said this:


I think that your forum of analogising the forthcoming is perhaps a bit outdated compared to the meta overgraph.

I presumed you were suggesting I was overreading Mesk's behaviour given her personality.

Apologies if I misinterpreted your deliberately esoteric writing style =P

[SuperJack]

I have literally no idea what you are talking about here. Tradesmen? Un-cosigning?

A tradesmen is someone who gives tit for tat.
A un-cosigning is when your belief becomes self-entangled in its own confidence creating somewhat of a void which can be a big tell.

[Whad]

Since Whads not here yet, and everyone else has checked in, Il make my case for a D1 lynch on him as follows, and encourage others to vote for him.

Whad is the most likely player from this group of players to reveal the most information when facing pressure, and an eventual lynch.

If Whad remains quiet throughout his amounting pressure, and volunteers little to no information (reads, thoughts, strategies etc.) then it will all but confirm him as scum (imo) as it contradicts his usual play.

If Whad remains vocal, we will probably be able to glean more information from him (than any other player) and, in conjuction with the interactions he has with every other player in the game, have a decent position to move forward with on D2.

Obviously the second point is true for any player in this nightless setup, but I believe Whad will be most beneficial out of all the candidates.

These assumptions are biased toward Whad being scum, but this opportunity to have a good footing D2 still exists if he is town.


If anyone disagrees, feel free to post, given this strategy is based on my own meta read of whad. Chime in if its incorrect, or you feel someone is better.

Thought of another reason why this post bothers me. Iced calls me out as the only person who hasn't posted yet, when in fact MattZed hasn't checked in.

I half feel like this was an agenda that Iced wanted to push and didn't count on me being available so close to the time of game start (since I'm not usually on until much later). Not sure if this is paranoia. Feels like he just whipped this up pre-game and posted once he saw I came online since I'm not invisible. It would also have been easy to see in a p-edit that I had posted literally before this one post and had in fact checked in making his post obsolete.

[yzb25]

I'll be retiring now. Goodnight.

[SuperJack]

:)

This gives Uncle the Willies.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Thought of another reason why this post bothers me. Iced calls me out as the only person who hasn't posted yet, when in fact MattZed hasn't checked in.

I half feel like this was an agenda that Iced wanted to push and didn't count on me being available so close to the time of game start (since I'm not usually on until much later). Not sure if this is paranoia. Feels like he just whipped this up pre-game and posted once he saw I came online since I'm not invisible. It would also have been easy to see in a p-edit that I had posted literally before this one post and had in fact checked in making his post obsolete.

I glanced at the signs list and overlooked MZ, you were the only one I hadnt see check in yet. You checking in didnt strengthen or weaken my premise, so i didnt feel the need to make a note of it.

I agree with your tunnel train vs array train sentiment however. Im willing to consider others for the centrepiece role.

I do still disagree in lynching a hard to read, over a vocal (therefore easier to read) candidate for d1 however.

[Whad]

Do you think they are viewing you from a biased un-cosigning angle?
Or perhaps upraising needless issues as a form of tradesmen?


A tradesmen is someone who gives tit for tat.
A un-cosigning is when your belief becomes self-entangled in its own confidence creating somewhat of a void which can be a big tell.

Thanks.
What kind of tell is an un-consigning? Town or scumtell?

Given that Iced has claimed NOT to have beef with me, I'd say it's not an un-consigning view... Which then makes me feel worse about his posts. I initially read the options as town with beef or opportunistic scum. And if Iced claims not to be town with beef, then I'm forced to put more weight on the opportunistic scum lean.

Iced_Monopoly

[Whad]

I glanced at the signs list and overlooked MZ, you were the only one I hadnt see check in yet. You checking in didnt strengthen or weaken my premise, so i didnt feel the need to make a note of it.

I agree with your tunnel train vs array train sentiment however. Im willing to consider others for the centrepiece role.

I do still disagree in lynching a hard to read, over a vocal (therefore easier to read) candidate for d1 however.

Why not put pressure on hard reads forcing them to be vocal? It sounds like you're advocating lynching vocal players on D1 which seems anti-town.

[yzb25]

btw i was scum Black Flag, use that for host meta.. what are the odds? very slim i bet since im town :)

Post your fucking thoughts on people. It doesn't matter if they're bad, just fucking do it. Argue with me too while you're at it. Otherwise, if you've already decided you'd rather get lynched like a twat, then just go shitpost in CJ dammit, because "omg she's so carefree she must be town" won't work.

God, it's like you're deliberately poking my autism with a stick Mesk =(

[Whad]

Titus SuerJack

Can you tell me what you think about Iced Monopoly's plan for D1? I'd like a second opinion since it's possible my judgement is clouded since I'm the target of it.

[Cryptonic]

I feel like you are Condescending the point I'm trying to make here, if you take a step back and look at the overview, you will see that there is a correlation between a tantamount wolf-pack type scenario.

I don't think it's really possible for someone to condescend someone's points in a game while they're currently unironically voting someone based on copy/paste from wikipedia.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Why not put pressure on hard reads forcing them to be vocal? It sounds like you're advocating lynching vocal players on D1 which seems anti-town.

Whilst it is true that vocal players are easy to read, it is not necessarily true of the inverse, playerd are hard to read because theyre not vocal.

My sentiment is that weaker players, when forced to talk alot, if scum, are likely to volunteer information, or provide TMI.

Stronger players that are hard to read can chat just as much, but are likely to be more cautious is what they post and in what tone.

Also a weak scum could retreat entirely. A weak town is likely to continue talking, like the weak scum, but wont provide TMI or slip, because they have nothing extra to slip to make the mistake

[Cryptonic]

Whilst it is true that vocal players are easy to read, it is not necessarily true of the inverse, playerd are hard to read because theyre not vocal.

My sentiment is that weaker players, when forced to talk alot, if scum, are likely to volunteer information, or provide TMI.

Stronger players that are hard to read can chat just as much, but are likely to be more cautious is what they post and in what tone.

Also a weak scum could retreat entirely. A weak town is likely to continue talking, like the weak scum, but wont provide TMI or slip, because they have nothing extra to slip to make the mistake

what's the point in scum hunting if you're just going to tell scum what you're looking for. Seems like you're just trying to look Town here, man.
"Hey guys, this is what I'm doing right now, doesn't it look really Towny?"

[Iced_Monopoly]

Since I said I would continue to make reads of other players. I will agree with yzb that its frustrating that mesk is not making reads.

In a game with only VTs she should be avtively making reads based on interactions between players, instead shes resigning herself to not committing to anything and joking about instead.

A case could be made that shes uncomfortable or perhaps finding it difficult providing reads when shes scum against a list of only citizens

However, mesk has played scum in this setup before, and if anything would be better equipped to deal with d1 as scum if she rerolled it. It also, as a meta read, vomes across as bored townie who doesnt give a fuck about d1.

If mesk is town, which i believe she is, I would expect her to step up her game, even if she is bored.

[Iced_Monopoly]

what's the point in scum hunting if you're just going to tell scum what you're looking for. Seems like you're just trying to look Town here, man.
"Hey guys, this is what I'm doing right now, doesn't it look really Towny?"

Because after multiple posts, whad was still misreading my intentions, so im spelling it out for him

[Whad]

Whilst it is true that vocal players are easy to read, it is not necessarily true of the inverse, playerd are hard to read because theyre not vocal.

My sentiment is that weaker players, when forced to talk alot, if scum, are likely to volunteer information, or provide TMI.

Stronger players that are hard to read can chat just as much, but are likely to be more cautious is what they post and in what tone.

Also a weak scum could retreat entirely. A weak town is likely to continue talking, like the weak scum, but wont provide TMI or slip, because they have nothing extra to slip to make the mistake

Why would stronger players need to be cautious in this game? In a nightless setup like this, it's as much your role to figure out who the scum are as to communicate a townish disposition/alignment to the other townies. There are literally no TPRs or anything that any player would need to hide.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Why would stronger players need to be cautious in this game? In a nightless setup like this, it's as much your role to figure out who the scum are as to communicate a townish disposition/alignment to the other townies. There are literally no TPRs or anything that any player would need to hide.

There is still a coordinated scum team in play. Any and all interactions are points of interest for the scum team to conceal or expose, depending on what strategies they employ (bussing, distancing etc). So it would make sense for a player to be reserved, or calculated about what they post.

[Whad]

There is still a coordinated scum team in play. Any and all interactions are points of interest for the scum team to conceal or expose, depending on what strategies they employ (bussing, distancing etc). So it would make sense for a player to be reserved, or calculated about what they post.

I think your point here only confirms mine though. That a townsperson has nothing to worry about when they post so they don't have anything to conceal while a scumperson knows the identity of the coordinated scum team so they (and only they!) must be concerned with concealing information.

Would a stronger player who is town need to be cautious and concerned with what they post?

[Titus]

Very rarely a town player would be, if they found partner theory they lacled evidence for. That does not seem like Mesk though.

[Titus]

Titus SuerJack

Can you tell me what you think about Iced Monopoly's plan for D1? I'd like a second opinion since it's possible my judgement is clouded since I'm the target of it.

Which post? I missed it.

[Mesk514]

That does not seem like Mesk though.

what doesnt seem like me? im quite sober of the drugs right now so i should be acting like normal me

[Titus]

what doesnt seem like me? im quite sober of the drugs right now so i should be acting like normal me

You called a scumteam so you don't have a reason to be shy.

[Mesk514]

You called a scumteam so you don't have a reason to be shy.

Lol I was totally joking. I literally looked at the list and looked at what super cool experienced people were on the list and bunched them together. Then they all voted me -mattzed and I said it must be true. Lol wew, since when do people take me seriously?

[Titus]

Lol I was totally joking. I literally looked at the list and looked at what super cool experienced people were on the list and bunched them together. Then they all voted me -mattzed and I said it must be true. Lol wew, since when do people take me seriously?

My name is Titus. I take everything seriously.

What are your "serious" reads?

[Mesk514]

You should know me by now Titus, I don't have anything serious to day til half way through day 1.

[Orpz]

Lol Bias at FM Staff.

wtf


Dafuq Orpz just made these two posts one after the other then left. Literally jumping on the bandwagon >.>

I had to do some work today, but I didn't want to just say "Lol brb work".


Should Policy lynch Orpz but w/e

WTF I HATE SUPERJACK NOW

On the real though, Whad makes a good point. There's no reason to troll on Day 1 because every day's going to be basically as blind as Day 1.

[Orpz]

If I was mafia, you would die tonight.

Gyrlander

Too unsubtle of a Town claim, tbqh.

[Whad]

Here are my thoughts before retiring for the evening.

Town
Mesk514 - current play is in line with town meta. Will be watching to see if activity drops off. Also, since I believe this slot is town we could really use the help with analyzing and pushing other players.
yzb25 - I like this slot's analysis of Mesk, and questioning a variety of players. I think this slot may not have played enough games with Mesk to realize that while her behavior is anti-town, it's not scum.
Superjack - Like the soft probes at players. Less sure about this one than mesk or yzb.

Not enough info:
Iced_Monopoly - I think this slot is pretty scummy because of the whole "focus on weak players while giving hard to read players a free pass" thing, but I have scumread this slot when we are mutually town before.
Gyrlander - the "If I was mafia I would kill yzb at night" thing is a little awkward, but I'm ever so slightly townleaning on it
Orpz - slight scumlean for acknowledging that town should be active/not troll yet doesn't really boost up in activity level.
Mattzed - hasn't posted

Scum:
Titus - way underperforming here.
Cryptonic - also way under performing

Cryptonic

I feel pretty good about this vote since it will hopefully produce more content from a slot that I feel is not being productive and underperforming. Also, not a player in my town pile.

[Orpz]

How in the world do you Town read Superjack and simultaneously Not Enough Info Iced_Monopoly? Iced has the second most posts here, and if someone who posted that much can't give you a lean, then you have a scum lean on them.

Also your scum reads on Titus and Cryptonic are lazy and based off of meta. I don't necessarily disagree tho

[Whad]

How in the world do you Town read Superjack and simultaneously Not Enough Info Iced_Monopoly? Iced has the second most posts here, and if someone who posted that much can't give you a lean, then you have a scum lean on them.

Also your scum reads on Titus and Cryptonic are lazy and based off of meta. I don't necessarily disagree tho

My not enough info on Iced_Monopoly has nothing to do with his quantity of posts. Logically, I find a large portion of what he said extremely scummy. However, I am putting him in "not enough info" since literally every game I've played with Iced (when we've both been town), I've found him extremely scummy since I think we have very different reasoning styles. So I guess what I'm trying to say about iced, is that for now his super scummy posts are NAI to me.

In a game where there are no nightkills and no PRs, it makes 0 sense for players to hold back at all. Cryptonic is worse than Titus imo because the active trolling/wikipedia copy pasta is like, negative utility for the town.

[MattZed]

Busy today. Will be active in ~24 hours.

[Gyrlander]

I think Cryptonic is a good place to start. Orpz continous one-liners where he comes, votes with shitty / random reasoning and then leaves is suspicious as well. And MZ being busy....

I hope all 3 FM Gods aren't mafia together :calix:

[yzb25]

Cryptonic I'm curious what you think about Gyr's posts at the start.


I love it when people vote with Host WIFOM as reasoning.


You're throwing shade on post #2 of this game for having weak reasoning. You're not even trying to offer another approach. Do you plan to make a few ez points / low-blows, shitpost for a while, collect a few weak town points, then leave like usual?



If I was mafia, you would die tonight.


Are you implying you aren't aware this setup is nightless, even though the setup is called nightless?


I'm implying that if I was mafia you would die tonight. As that's impossible, I'm passively claiming not being Mafia.


It looked like you were trying to pretend you don't know mafia don't have a nightkill to look more townie.

That still seems more plausible than this explanation.


To be honest, I said that but I actually didn't remember this setup was nightless lol. It just sounded great and decided to post it.


K.

At first, he said the contradiction regarding nightkills was an attempt to softclaim town. However, he then changed his alibi to simply "I forgot the setup was nightless". Even though:

1) The setup is called nightless.

2) He has clearly read the setup, because he's familiar with the lore:


Wow, such a coincidence, I'm one too! It's a little strange because there shoudn't be citizens on a ship but... okey!

- if he remembers the setup's lore, it makes it EXTREMELY unlikely he'd forget the setup's most important feature - that there's no nightkills.

Orpz read this as Gyrlander trying too hard to look town, by feigning being unaware of the scum mechanics:


Gyrlander

Too unsubtle of a Town claim, tbqh.

What do you think of Gyr's "If I was mafia, you would die tonight", in light of the above context?

What do you think of Orpz voting Gyr because of it?

What do you think of Gyr's posts since then, if you have any recollection of them?

[Gyrlander]

It's hard to not know that the setup is about pirates when Unknown said YAAAAR and 10000 references to pirates in the opening post. However, I didn't read the title.

[yzb25]

Lol I was totally joking. I literally looked at the list and looked at what super cool experienced people were on the list and bunched them together. Then they all voted me -mattzed and I said it must be true. Lol wew, since when do people take me seriously?

I TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY MESK.


You should know me by now Titus, I don't have anything serious to day til half way through day 1.

Give us your thoughts, give us your thoughts, GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS.

22251

The game will probably be ded from now until the halfway mark anyway, so it makes no difference.

[yzb25]

It's hard to not know that the setup is about pirates when Unknown said YAAAAR and 10000 references to pirates in the opening post. However, I didn't read the title.

Dude, now you're saying you didn't even read the title... Dafaq...

YOU HAVE TO CLICK THE TITLE TO GET TO THE SIGNUP PAGE. YOU HAVE TO CLICK THE TITLE TO GET TO THE FORUM PAGE.

"Ohh but Unknown's compelling pirate puns just draw you in! I couldn't help but read those!"

Fack off!

I refuse to let you insult your own intelligence. You knew the goddamn title of this game.

[Gyrlander]

Dude, now you're saying you didn't even read the title... Dafaq...

YOU HAVE TO CLICK THE TITLE TO GET TO THE SIGNUP PAGE. YOU HAVE TO CLICK THE TITLE TO GET TO THE FORUM PAGE.

"Ohh but Unknown's compelling pirate puns just draw you in! I couldn't help but read those!"

Fack off!

I refuse to let you insult your own intelligence. You knew the goddamn title of this game.
I knew the Black Flag and 2.0. Nightless was in the middle and my mind decided to ignore it LOL

[yzb25]

I knew the Black Flag and 2.0. Nightless was in the middle and my mind decided to ignore it LOL

No, you're lying. I even have memories of you getting self righteous when people are unaware of the setup they're playing in.

This is some Bird Jesus-tier shit. If you just admitted you were trying to look towny you wouldn't be in such deep shit at this point.

[yzb25]

No, you're lying. I even have memories of you getting self righteous when people are unaware of the setup they're playing in.

This is some Bird Jesus-tier shit. If you just admitted you were trying to look towny you wouldn't be in such deep shit at this point.

Furthermore, if you read Unknown's opening post, you'd know there are 10 players and 3 of them are maf. If there was a nightkill, the game would enter LYLO after one mislynch. Town would have to get like 3/4 lynches right to win.

It is so fucking implausible you didn't know this setup was nightless that if we entertain the possibility you didn't we're basically willing to accept any dogshit you feed us.

[yzb25]

Have you got any thoughts on players, scumbag Gyrlander?

[Gyrlander]

Have you got any thoughts on players, scumbag Gyrlander?
I'm going out so no, not for now.

[Gyrlander]

No, you're lying. I even have memories of you getting self righteous when people are unaware of the setup they're playing in.

This is some Bird Jesus-tier shit. If you just admitted you were trying to look towny you wouldn't be in such deep shit at this point.
Yeah, but when it is a game that has been un sign-ups for 2 months I can't say the same

[yzb25]

I'm going out so no, not for now.

K.

Gyrlander

[Gyrlander]

K.

Gyrlander
Yzb... I thought you were a cute waterfall

[yzb25]

Yzb... I thought you were a cute waterfall

Been listening to a lot of DMX lately so I'm feeling like a bit of a savage.

No hard feelings tho.

[Gyrlander]

Hmm. I'm starting to town read you. You are doing things, opposite as if you were scum.

[yzb25]

Hmm. I'm starting to town read you. You are doing things, opposite as if you were scum.

If you have time to have this exchange, I'd rather you used it to read the more interesting slots like Iced, Whad, Crypt, SJ and Titus.

[Gyrlander]

If you have time to have this exchange, I'd rather you used it to read the more interesting slots like Iced, Whad, Crypt, SJ and Titus.
I'm not talking with them right now, so I can't do that. However, I'm having a conversation with you so... :)

[yzb25]

I'm not talking with them right now, so I can't do that. However, I'm having a conversation with you so... :)

You shouldn't need to interact with them to have any thoughts on them. It's not like you're waiting on some special question to ask them, after all. When you roll town, you naturally have thoughts and feelings on different posts beyond "ooh let me point out the logical fallacy there! Yay townpoints!". You can't even share your base, instinct thoughts though.

Honestly, it looks like you're stalling giving real reads until peak time so you can talk to your scumbuddies about what associations you need to plant. Weak.

[Gyrlander]

You shouldn't need to interact with them to have any thoughts on them. It's not like you're waiting on some special question to ask them, after all. When you roll town, you naturally have thoughts and feelings on different posts beyond "ooh let me point out the logical fallacy there! Yay townpoints!". You can't even share your base, instinct thoughts though.

Honestly, it looks like you're stalling giving real reads until peak time so you can talk to your scumbuddies about what associations you need to plant. Weak.
If I could send audios, I would tell you my Life but I can't :(

[yzb25]

If I could send audios, I would tell you my Life but I can't :(

Whatever your life situation, you have the time to have this conversation but you can't even provide a few lines of thought on a few interesting players. Instead, you resign yourself to some shoddy kissass and more self-victimizing.

The Gyrlander-is-town-hypothesis just has so many holes right now. At least try to put up a fight. At this rate the d1 lynch will be locked in before the halfway mark >.<

[yzb25]

I'm actually going for a walk now. If you've got the free time to talk, now is the moment to use it for reads.

[Gyrlander]

I said the audios thing because It is fast, while talking on the mobile is slow is fuck.

[Cryptonic]

Whad Wow I'm underperforming? My heart...




What do you think of Gyr's "If I was mafia, you would die tonight", in light of the above context?

What do you think of Orpz voting Gyr because of it?

What do you think of Gyr's posts since then, if you have any recollection of them?


I think it's an amateur way to distance oneself from the Mafia. Most people think before they speak in Mafia, so it is funny to see someone post something with possible underlying meaning so early into the game. Reminds me of something that Mafia would do in the Sc2 Mod to try to hide.
However, the fact that the game is nightless changes my opinion. If he was aware enough about this game state to trying to use some WIFOM on d1 to hide as Mafia, then you would think he would be aware enough regarding not having a NK. That fact cancels out the logic you are using. I also don't see how it's an "alibi" for him to say he forgot there was no nightkill, maybe i'm just nitpicking semantics here, though.


Regarding Orpz, he seems like he is busy or not caring too much about day one and is throwing around votes to whatever train shows a resemblance of logic behind it. I'd be more alarmed of this if it keeps up past the weekend, and he continues to sheep throughout the game.


I don't think much of Gyrlander's posts. He is lacking any actual substance, which I don't find different from other times I've seen him play.

[Gyrlander]

Whad Wow I'm underperforming? My heart...






I think it's an amateur way to distance oneself from the Mafia. Most people think before they speak in Mafia, so it is funny to see someone post something with possible underlying meaning so early into the game. Reminds me of something that Mafia would do in the Sc2 Mod to try to hide.
However, the fact that the game is nightless changes my opinion. If he was aware enough about this game state to trying to use some WIFOM on d1 to hide as Mafia, then you would think he would be aware enough regarding not having a NK. That fact cancels out the logic you are using. I also don't see how it's an "alibi" for him to say he forgot there was no nightkill, maybe i'm just nitpicking semantics here, though.


Regarding Orpz, he seems like he is busy or not caring too much about day one and is throwing around votes to whatever train shows a resemblance of logic behind it. I'd be more alarmed of this if it keeps up past the weekend, and he continues to sheep throughout the game.


I don't think much of Gyrlander's posts. He is lacking any actual substance, which I don't find different from other times I've seen him play.
I'm not going to give much substance when most of these 3 pages are fluff and all the time I have been online was on mobile. However, I'll stop giving excuses as It is getting a bit boring and will try yo explain yzb everything and if he still doesnt believe me, I won't café.

[Cryptonic]

Here are my thoughts before retiring for the evening.

Town
Mesk514 - current play is in line with town meta. Will be watching to see if activity drops off. Also, since I believe this slot is town we could really use the help with analyzing and pushing other players.
yzb25 - I like this slot's analysis of Mesk, and questioning a variety of players. I think this slot may not have played enough games with Mesk to realize that while her behavior is anti-town, it's not scum.
Superjack - Like the soft probes at players. Less sure about this one than mesk or yzb.

Not enough info:
Iced_Monopoly - I think this slot is pretty scummy because of the whole "focus on weak players while giving hard to read players a free pass" thing, but I have scumread this slot when we are mutually town before.
Gyrlander - the "If I was mafia I would kill yzb at night" thing is a little awkward, but I'm ever so slightly townleaning on it
Orpz - slight scumlean for acknowledging that town should be active/not troll yet doesn't really boost up in activity level.
Mattzed - hasn't posted

Scum:
Titus - way underperforming here.
Cryptonic - also way under performing

Cryptonic

I feel pretty good about this vote since it will hopefully produce more content from a slot that I feel is not being productive and underperforming. Also, not a player in my town pile.

I find it interesting that Whad's only read on me is "underperforming", but that was somehow enough for her to place a vote on me. Literally has stated nothing game related that should lead her vote to be on me, yet it is there. Seems like it was just an attempt to join a larger train. It's ironic because I have been more productive and contributed more than Whad, yet you don't see Whad seppukuing herself in the corner over it.

I also find it interesting how she spaced out her read list.
Also, to dissect it:
Lol SuperJack as a Town Read? He has done nothing, and is voting me because I have "too much information on day 1" when I copy & pasted an article from Wikipedia, that he still hasn't addressed lol.
Iced_Monopoly is not enough info? He literally has posted the most substance all game, and actually interacted with Whad the most. If anything, Iced should be her strongest read.
Mesk's read is based on never communicating with Mesk, but it's her #1 Town Read. Wat?
Then, in her read of yzb, she states she agrees that Mesk is playing anti-town? So, someone you think is Anti-Town is your #1 Town Read? LOL Where did you pull this list out of?

[Cryptonic]

I'm not going to give much substance when most of these 3 pages are fluff and all the time I have been online was on mobile. However, I'll stop giving excuses as It is getting a bit boring and will try yo explain yzb everything and if he still doesnt believe me, I won't café.

That's alright man. You don't need to really defend yourself on day 1, nor do you need to contribute a shit load. Basically all we need is for people to hang around and chat/joke around. We can get plenty of reads off that for day 1.

[Cryptonic]

I would also think Whad would try to interact with me if she truly thought I was scum. Not just ignore me completely, then vote me without ever talking to me.

[Gyrlander]

yzb25 Last Explanation

When I said the post about the "if I was Mafia you would die tonight" I was completely unaware of the setup being nightless. It was a pretty basic comment about the desire to murder someone when you actually can't because you're town.

Then, after you said that the setup was nightless I thought it would be funny and amazing if I told that I actually said that saying that as I couldn't kill you because the setup is Nightless, it also means that I'm not mafia. However, you started to comment more about it and I decided to say that it was... well... not planned at all.

After that, you said that it was impossible for me to not know the setup is Nightless because it is on the title. Well, I didn't read it. It is a quite long title and I just click the link, switch to my current Sc2 Mafia Arcade game and wait for it to load. I don't have to read the title ALL the time. The setup is also 2 months old (I mean in sign-ups) and the mechanics are hyper basic, so I didn't feel the need to re-read it. (AS IT IS FUCKING VANILLA).

I'm amazed by how much we have talked about something SO tiny and stupid. I don't know if it was a waste of time or a way for you to analyse me. I hope it was the second. However, I hope your vote isn't based on this but another thing.

[Gyrlander]

I find it interesting that Whad's only read on me is "underperforming", but that was somehow enough for her to place a vote on me. Literally has stated nothing game related that should lead her vote to be on me, yet it is there. Seems like it was just an attempt to join a larger train. It's ironic because I have been more productive and contributed more than Whad, yet you don't see Whad seppukuing herself in the corner over it.

I also find it interesting how she spaced out her read list.
Also, to dissect it:
Lol SuperJack as a Town Read? He has done nothing, and is voting me because I have "too much information on day 1" when I copy & pasted an article from Wikipedia, that he still hasn't addressed lol.
Iced_Monopoly is not enough info? He literally has posted the most substance all game, and actually interacted with Whad the most. If anything, Iced should be her strongest read.
Mesk's read is based on never communicating with Mesk, but it's her #1 Town Read. Wat?
Then, in her read of yzb, she states she agrees that Mesk is playing anti-town? So, someone you think is Anti-Town is your #1 Town Read? LOL Where did you pull this list out of?

Now that you have commented it I have realised that the post reminds me a lot of scum Whad. I remember him giving pretty wrong and stupid reads when he was scum. Here Mesk & SJ as mayor townreads is pretty stupid and doesn't have any explanation. I can understand him putting Iced in the null list because it doesn't matter if he has talked a lot... sometimes you just don't get info from the current posts that the player has made / you have detected scum & town things in their posts, so you decide to have it as null because they both counteract themselves.

[Gyrlander]

Whatever your life situation, you have the time to have this conversation but you can't even provide a few lines of thought on a few interesting players. Instead, you resign yourself to some shoddy kissass and more self-victimizing.

The Gyrlander-is-town-hypothesis just has so many holes right now. At least try to put up a fight. At this rate the d1 lynch will be locked in before the halfway mark >.<

Your extreme confidence of me being lynched with the shitty conversation that we just had is quite disturbing.

[Gyrlander]

Thoughts on players:

Mesk514: Can't say a lot. She is playing like usual... claiming Cit D1 and then proceed to shitpost for the rest of the time. I can say a lot about me being worried of her receiving scum role because Unknown decided to do some shit but it would be the same as in other games... so I'll just say that "Time will tell us whether this player is scum or not".

Orpz: Another player that has said basically 0. Voted Mesk, then said that he hated SJ. After that proceeded to vote me having as reasoning a post that I wrote long ago and he probably ignored but when Yzb started to seriously talk about it he used it??? Suspicious... 0,1 scum points for you!

Iced_Monopoly: I like his posts and continous push / talking with Whad. I like the things he says, although I don't know how he's as scum so I can't tell if he says the same things. However, 0,1 town points for you!

Titus: Who? He has said things but nothing that called my attention. Could be scum trying to hide.

Whad: I like the fact that Whad has talked with Iced Monopoly in a confident and relaxed way which I like. He seems to be giving substantiated arguments. Still, there were some things that bugged me and I don't like his reads post. I have him as null.

MattZed: Afk. Hope when he comes he acts like in Death Note.

Yzb25: My strongest reason of town-reading yzb is that when he's scum, he often lurks to death and says things which... well... doesn't make much sense / give information. I also like his posts and the fact that he's picky on things.

SuperJack: Heh... most D1s he doesn't do shit and that's the case here. I expect him to say things this day / tomorrow. Can't really get anything from him.

Cryptonic: Hum... Crypt may be the hardest person to read here, so I'll try to do my best.

Something which I liked but I don't know if I could categorize is that he posted this and I was thinking absolutely the same:


Interesting decision to defend Mesk so early into Day 1.
It is noted

It is true that Iced_Monopoly has been hard town-reading Mesk and has shared it with people and kind of defended her. Crypt has made posts about this, which ultimately doesn't mean much because I feel like he would have talked about it regardless his alignment. He seems to comment on things that he seems as townish / scummish (is that it?) with a understandable proportion, so I can't do better than just slightly town read him.

[Whad]

No, you're lying. I even have memories of you getting self righteous when people are unaware of the setup they're playing in.

This is some Bird Jesus-tier shit. If you just admitted you were trying to look towny you wouldn't be in such deep shit at this point.

tbh I'm reading Gyrlander more as VI than scum at the moment.



I find it interesting that Whad's only read on me is "underperforming", but that was somehow enough for her to place a vote on me. Literally has stated nothing game related that should lead her vote to be on me, yet it is there. Seems like it was just an attempt to join a larger train. It's ironic because I have been more productive and contributed more than Whad, yet you don't see Whad seppukuing herself in the corner over it.

I also find it interesting how she spaced out her read list.
Also, to dissect it:
Lol SuperJack as a Town Read? He has done nothing, and is voting me because I have "too much information on day 1" when I copy & pasted an article from Wikipedia, that he still hasn't addressed lol.
Iced_Monopoly is not enough info? He literally has posted the most substance all game, and actually interacted with Whad the most. If anything, Iced should be her strongest read.
Mesk's read is based on never communicating with Mesk, but it's her #1 Town Read. Wat?
Then, in her read of yzb, she states she agrees that Mesk is playing anti-town? So, someone you think is Anti-Town is your #1 Town Read? LOL Where did you pull this list out of?

You haven't been productive, cryptonic. I didn't bother to go into detail about your trolling and wikipedia copy pasta, but I consider that under the umbrella of underperforming.

I like SuperJack for calling you out, and that slot's posts seem like they are from a town mindset. General attitude seems townie enough to get thrown in the town pile for now. Do you disagree with my read? If so, why?

Re, Iced_Monopoly, I don't have enough info on him since I logically find his posts super scummy but acknowledge that in games where we are both town, I scum read him since I guess we have different interpretations of the game state. So for Iced, all his posts that I have problems with are NAI.

When making my reads, it's not about what people say; rather if I can see it and their attitudes being scum or town motivated.

[Whad]

I would also think Whad would try to interact with me if she truly thought I was scum. Not just ignore me completely, then vote me without ever talking to me.

I don't think we were online at the same time? I often am only online while most players are asleep so it's hard to engage people who have completely different timezones than I do. Sounds like you're throwing shade at me or at least testing the waters to see if you can get away with throwing shade. Seems weird.

CryptonicWhat do you think of Iced_Monopoly, yzb, and Titus?

[Gyrlander]

tbh I'm reading Gyrlander more as VI than scum at the moment.

In your reads list you said you were slightly town-reading me and now you claim to have changed from scum-reading me to village idiot?

Congrats with the contradiction, my friend.

[Whad]

In your reads list you said you were slightly town-reading me and now you claim to have changed from scum-reading me to village idiot?

Congrats with the contradiction, my friend.

That was in response to yzb scum reading you. (note the quoted post). I said that I disagree with YZB's scum read of you since I think you're VI.

I like that you're looking for contradictions even if what you pointed out wasn't one.

[Gyrlander]

That was in response to yzb scum reading you. (note the quoted post). I said that I disagree with YZB's scum read of you since I think you're VI.

I like that you're looking for contradictions even if what you pointed out wasn't one.

I like that you expect people to understand exactly what you mean when both meanings are perfectly understandable.

[Cryptonic]

I don't think we were online at the same time? I often am only online while most players are asleep so it's hard to engage people who have completely different timezones than I do. Sounds like you're throwing shade at me or at least testing the waters to see if you can get away with throwing shade. Seems weird.

CryptonicWhat do you think of Iced_Monopoly, yzb, and Titus?

Nope, we were definitely posting at the same time. So, now it sounds like you're throwing shade at me :)

It should be obvious what I think of those 3. I have been pressuring Iced the entire game, while being cordial with yzb and Titus so far.

[Whad]

Nope, we were definitely posting at the same time. So, now it sounds like you're throwing shade at me :)

It should be obvious what I think of those 3. I have been pressuring Iced the entire game, while being cordial with yzb and Titus so far.

Why cordial with Titus? And do you still think Iced is deserving of pressure? Can you spell it out a little more for me?

[Cryptonic]

tbh I'm reading Gyrlander more as VI than scum at the moment.




You haven't been productive, cryptonic. I didn't bother to go into detail about your trolling and wikipedia copy pasta, but I consider that under the umbrella of underperforming.

I like SuperJack for calling you out, and that slot's posts seem like they are from a town mindset. General attitude seems townie enough to get thrown in the town pile for now. Do you disagree with my read? If so, why?

Re, Iced_Monopoly, I don't have enough info on him since I logically find his posts super scummy but acknowledge that in games where we are both town, I scum read him since I guess we have different interpretations of the game state. So for Iced, all his posts that I have problems with are NAI.

When making my reads, it's not about what people say; rather if I can see it and their attitudes being scum or town motivated.

You like SuperJack calling me out?? You realize he called me out for "having too much info d1" when it was copy pasta????
?????
?????????
REALLY?

I don't understand that. You like that he didn't read my post, but voted me for it? That's just amazing

[Cryptonic]

Why cordial with Titus? And do you still think Iced is deserving of pressure? Can you spell it out a little more for me?

Titus hasn't done anything significant d1, but she offered me her vote so far. That is enough for me to leave her alone until I see a flip.
Yes, Iced is still deserving of pressure, but I also find you in the same slot on the scumtree as Iced: The Mesk-buddy. The more scummy you seem, the less scummy he seems.

[yzb25]

Thoughts on players:

Mesk514: Can't say a lot. She is playing like usual... claiming Cit D1 and then proceed to shitpost for the rest of the time. I can say a lot about me being worried of her receiving scum role because Unknown decided to do some shit but it would be the same as in other games... so I'll just say that "Time will tell us whether this player is scum or not".

Orpz: Another player that has said basically 0. Voted Mesk, then said that he hated SJ. After that proceeded to vote me having as reasoning a post that I wrote long ago and he probably ignored but when Yzb started to seriously talk about it he used it??? Suspicious... 0,1 scum points for you!

Iced_Monopoly: I like his posts and continous push / talking with Whad. I like the things he says, although I don't know how he's as scum so I can't tell if he says the same things. However, 0,1 town points for you!

Titus: Who? He has said things but nothing that called my attention. Could be scum trying to hide.

Whad: I like the fact that Whad has talked with Iced Monopoly in a confident and relaxed way which I like. He seems to be giving substantiated arguments. Still, there were some things that bugged me and I don't like his reads post. I have him as null.

MattZed: Afk. Hope when he comes he acts like in Death Note.

Yzb25: My strongest reason of town-reading yzb is that when he's scum, he often lurks to death and says things which... well... doesn't make much sense / give information. I also like his posts and the fact that he's picky on things.

SuperJack: Heh... most D1s he doesn't do shit and that's the case here. I expect him to say things this day / tomorrow. Can't really get anything from him.

Cryptonic: Hum... Crypt may be the hardest person to read here, so I'll try to do my best.

Something which I liked but I don't know if I could categorize is that he posted this and I was thinking absolutely the same:



It is true that Iced_Monopoly has been hard town-reading Mesk and has shared it with people and kind of defended her. Crypt has made posts about this, which ultimately doesn't mean much because I feel like he would have talked about it regardless his alignment. He seems to comment on things that he seems as townish / scummish (is that it?) with a understandable proportion, so I can't do better than just slightly town read him.

Mesk: You suggest Mesk will be easier to solve in the future. Do you mind sharing how you plan to sort Mesk?

Orpz: FYI, Orpz posted that stuff about you before me.

Iced: Do you think Iced defending Mesk is AI? I don't think he "hard townreads" her, honestly.

Whad: Other than the readwall, do you have any other negatives on Whad? The "confident and relaxed tone" and the "subtantiated arguments" are strong reasons to townread Whad. I personally didn't find Whad's readwall offensive for page 8.

[Cryptonic]

I'm Town reading Gyrlander specifically for this post:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/39446-S-FM-222-Black-Flag-Nightless-(2-0)?p=673847&viewfull=1#post673847


He is the only one who acknowledged that SuperJack joining on my train is bananas lol. I don't think a Mafia would point out the logical problems in a day 1 lynch like that.

[Cryptonic]

I'm Town reading Gyrlander specifically for this post:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/39446-S-FM-222-Black-Flag-Nightless-(2-0)?p=673847&viewfull=1#post673847


He is the only one who acknowledged that SuperJack joining on my train is bananas lol. I don't think a Mafia would point out the logical problems in a day 1 lynch like that.

Although, he never really took the time to tell SJ why it's fucking retarded, but it's a start lol

[Gyrlander]

Although, he never really took the time to tell SJ why it's fucking retarded, but it's a start lol

I thought it was pretty obvious lol.

Yzb, have your thoughts about me changed?

[yzb25]

Whad Wow I'm underperforming? My heart...






I think it's an amateur way to distance oneself from the Mafia. Most people think before they speak in Mafia, so it is funny to see someone post something with possible underlying meaning so early into the game. Reminds me of something that Mafia would do in the Sc2 Mod to try to hide.
However, the fact that the game is nightless changes my opinion. If he was aware enough about this game state to trying to use some WIFOM on d1 to hide as Mafia, then you would think he would be aware enough regarding not having a NK. That fact cancels out the logic you are using. I also don't see how it's an "alibi" for him to say he forgot there was no nightkill, maybe i'm just nitpicking semantics here, though.


Regarding Orpz, he seems like he is busy or not caring too much about day one and is throwing around votes to whatever train shows a resemblance of logic behind it. I'd be more alarmed of this if it keeps up past the weekend, and he continues to sheep throughout the game.


I don't think much of Gyrlander's posts. He is lacking any actual substance, which I don't find different from other times I've seen him play.

Gyr tries to softclaim / radiate townyness in general - He tells anecdotes about receiving his town PM, he openly whines about "how boring the night-phase is", exc.. So, in regards to the awareness point, it doesn't take a lot of awareness to execute a strategy you use often. What set this soft apart from when he does it as town was that this time it looked really forced.

As I see it, there are two hypotheses 1: "Gyr was truly unaware the setup was nightkill-less." or 2: "Gyr was aware that the setup was nightkill-less, but unaware that trying to soft not knowing the setup would look forced in this context". 2 looks far more plausible.

In scenario 2 he isn't even necessarily scum. He could be town that thinks admitting 2 is true increases his chances of being mislynched, but 2 still seems more plausible.

Anyway, I was more interested to hear your response to this specifically. It was never my intention to directly discuss it with Gyr, which is why my initial post was addressed to you, not him.

[SuperJack]

I'm Town reading Gyrlander specifically for this post:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/39446-S-FM-222-Black-Flag-Nightless-(2-0)?p=673847&viewfull=1#post673847


He is the only one who acknowledged that SuperJack joining on my train is bananas lol. I don't think a Mafia would point out the logical problems in a day 1 lynch like that.

Seriously. You are really over dramatising and getting far to emotional for what a rational Townie would.
It looks to me your a scum who is getting upset for being voted for the wrong reasons.

[yzb25]

I thought it was pretty obvious lol.

Yzb, have your thoughts about me changed?

Not really. But I'm not going to dig a trench and tunnel you all game over this. I'll continue to interact with you and watch your interactions, and see if I can find a reason to scumread you that appeals to the masses. If I can't, then maybe my scumread doesn't deserve attention in the first place.

[yzb25]

Seriously. You are really over dramatising and getting far to emotional for what a rational Townie would.
It looks to me your a scum who is getting upset for being voted for the wrong reasons.

Also, pointing out a logical contradiction like Gyr did is something you can do regardless of alignment. I don't like that people are townreading over it, but scumhunting theory is a discussion we can save for the postgame.

Also:


That's alright man. You don't need to really defend yourself on day 1, nor do you need to contribute a shit load. Basically all we need is for people to hang around and chat/joke around. We can get plenty of reads off that for day 1.

I didn't like this post.

[Cryptonic]

Seriously. You are really over dramatising and getting far to emotional for what a rational Townie would.
It looks to me your a scum who is getting upset for being voted for the wrong reasons.

Lol how am I being emotional? Please elaborate and show where I am being emotional lmao

If calling someone retarded for voting me because they didn't read my post = emotional, then yes I guess I am lol. But doesn't make you any less retarded. I'd go back, read the post you're voting me for, then read your response to my post, and then slap yourself in the face lol

[Cryptonic]

Whad
Can you try to explain how SuperJack called me out? You said you enjoy the way he called me out, so I would like you to explain in your words exactly what about his argument and his method that you enjoyed.
I'd like to see this from your POV and how you can see a non-read as a positive thing to give someone a Town read.

[Cryptonic]

Also, pointing out a logical contradiction like Gyr did is something you can do regardless of alignment. I don't like that people are townreading over it, but scumhunting theory is a discussion we can save for the postgame.

Also:



I didn't like this post.


Can you explain the "logical contradiction" that Gyrlander did? I saw no contradiction from his slot.

And you can't just say you don't like something without explaining it. That's fucking lazy lol.

[Cryptonic]

Not really. But I'm not going to dig a trench and tunnel you all game over this. I'll continue to interact with you and watch your interactions, and see if I can find a reason to scumread you that appeals to the masses. If I can't, then maybe my scumread doesn't deserve attention in the first place.

Maybe you should open your mind instead of taking up your entire day chat effort on one person, just some personal advice. Admitting to tunneling is really really stupid. There is no benefit to do it as Town.

[yzb25]

Can you explain the "logical contradiction" that Gyrlander did? I saw no contradiction from his slot.

And you can't just say you don't like something without explaining it. That's fucking lazy lol.

I didn't say Gyr made the logic fart - SJ made it. What I meant was Gyr pointing out the logic fart is not town-indicative. It's very easy as scum to just point out logical contradictions and stuff. Speaking from experience as a bad scum, that's one of the ways I try to add filler to my posts lol.

I'm certainly not lazy. I didn't share reasoning because I couldn't. I'm not sure how to put it into words. You'll just have to accept that =P


Maybe you should open your mind instead of taking up your entire day chat effort on one person, just some personal advice. Admitting to tunneling is really really stupid. There is no benefit to do it as Town.

I'm not going to tunnel. I don't know how I gave that implication, when the post is a drawn-out way of saying "I'm going to go easy on you for a while".

I can't just pretend I don't scumread him, but I've made my case now, so until someone brings something fresh to the table, there's no point dragging things out.

____________________________

Anyway, I agree with SJ. You don't have a lot of chill right now. It's weird lol.

[Cryptonic]

I didn't say Gyr made the logic fart - SJ made it. What I meant was Gyr pointing out the logic fart is not town-indicative. It's very easy as scum to just point out logical contradictions and stuff. Speaking from experience as a bad scum, that's one of the ways I try to add filler to my posts lol.

I'm certainly not lazy. I didn't share reasoning because I couldn't. I'm not sure how to put it into words. You'll just have to accept that =P



I'm not going to tunnel. I don't know how I gave that implication, when the post is a drawn-out way of saying "I'm going to go easy on you for a while".

I can't just pretend I don't scumread him, but I've made my case now, so until someone brings something fresh to the table, there's no point dragging things out.

____________________________

Anyway, I agree with SJ. You don't have a lot of chill right now. It's weird lol.

Ah ok. I thought you were talking about Gyrlander. I'm not saying that Gyrlander is Town for doing it, just not at the top of my scum list for d1. I don't believe that scum would really try to poke holes in logic of a d1 lynch and just see shit play out. If it happened later in the game, then I wouldn't see that as either Town nor Mafia and would agree with your read. But d1 in a setup like this is a different beast.

I don't think I have to accept anything, to be honest. As you said earlier in this post: "one of the ways I try to add filler to my posts". That means you have more than one way, so I could see "pointing out random shit without any reasoning and not able to explain myself" as another filler that you throw in your posts. Even if you have a gut feeling about a post, you should be able to explain your post.

And you're right, I'm sorry; I misread the post about tunneling. I thought it said you ARE going to tunnel him this game. My apologies lol. I wasn't asking if you not to scum read him. I prefer that you do scum read him, specifically because I am not scum reading him. This allows for more thorough reads from multiple players after the d1 flip, to see associations, ect.



PS: When do I ever have chill? I'm a dickhead in all games, especially when people engage me. If SuperJack thinks that I'm going to roll over and let him vote me & put me at L-3 when he's being retarded and not having any argument and has people AGREEING with the lack of argument, then yea I'm going to react. I'm an aggressive player, dealwithit

[Orpz]

I'm ok with Gyr now.

Whad plz explain your low effort reads last night. Justifying everything using meta (2 out of 2 of your scum reads were 3-word meta reasoning) is lazy because it shows you don't want to actually read this game, and you know it.

[SuperJack]

PS: When do I ever have chill? I'm a dickhead in all games, especially when people engage me. If SuperJack thinks that I'm going to roll over and let him vote me & put me at L-3 when he's being retarded and not having any argument and has people AGREEING with the lack of argument, then yea I'm going to react. I'm an aggressive player, dealwithit

I'm sorry, when did I put you at L-3? Unless you are re-ferrying to Whad (Which is kinda unclear)
And why are you making such a big deal. about L-3, in the early day?
Especially when most of the votes are meaning less at the time.
(Mine, now Is a Serious Vote, as your reaction is totally wrong, I myself have similar reactions in game when I am guilty, but found guilty for the wrong reasons)

[Mesk514]

Oh hi

[SuperJack]

Oh hi

Why did you post that smiley brah

[Cryptonic]

I'm sorry, when did I put you at L-3? Unless you are re-ferrying to Whad (Which is kinda unclear)
And why are you making such a big deal. about L-3, in the early day?
Especially when most of the votes are meaning less at the time.
(Mine, now Is a Serious Vote, as your reaction is totally wrong, I myself have similar reactions in game when I am guilty, but found guilty for the wrong reasons)

Your shit reasoning has put me @ L-3. Whad is following your lead, so you should feel responsible. Either you should be pressuring Whad yourself, or backing off entirely. Neither of which you are doing, so that is quite alarming.

I'm not making a big deal out of anything. I am explaining the situation, so I guess you're just comprehending the way I am typing in a way that fits into your POV of me.

If you have a legitimate reason for voting me (ie thinking I am defensive), then that is cool. As long as you're admitting that you making 3 posts about me being scum for copy/pasta is full on retarded, then we can move on lol.


But please, I'd like you to go on about how my reaction is "totally wrong".
The thing that you need to realize is that I am not you. So, while you may be a shit scum player and get defensive, I am not as shitty as scum player lol.

[Cryptonic]

Oh hi

sup kiddo

[Mesk514]

All I have to say is, I'm a citizen and I am easy to sort!

[yzb25]

Ah ok. I thought you were talking about Gyrlander. I'm not saying that Gyrlander is Town for doing it, just not at the top of my scum list for d1. I don't believe that scum would really try to poke holes in logic of a d1 lynch and just see shit play out. If it happened later in the game, then I wouldn't see that as either Town nor Mafia and would agree with your read. But d1 in a setup like this is a different beast.

I'm confused. You literally said you are townreading Gyrlander for pointing out logic holes:



I'm Town reading Gyrlander specifically for this post:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/39446-S-FM-222-Black-Flag-Nightless-(2-0)?p=673847&viewfull=1#post673847


He is the only one who acknowledged that SuperJack joining on my train is bananas lol. I don't think a Mafia would point out the logical problems in a day 1 lynch like that.

I mean, I can understand applying that attitude to, I dunno, my push on Mesk, which, looking back, was really overstated - because that's serious drama, and it's beneficial to let that "play out". However, SJ's push was clearly a troll push at worst and a glorified reaction test / random vote at best. Gyr didn't even take a solid stance, as you acknowledged just after, I believe.


I don't think I have to accept anything, to be honest. As you said earlier in this post: "one of the ways I try to add filler to my posts". That means you have more than one way, so I could see "pointing out random shit without any reasoning and not able to explain myself" as another filler that you throw in your posts. Even if you have a gut feeling about a post, you should be able to explain your post.

I meant you have to accept that I can't put it into words, not that I'm flawless town and my word is gospel. The point of a gut read is you can't explain it logically. If you could, it wouldn't be a gut read LOL. In regards to the daisy chain logic to explain why it's scummy, all I can say is ">.>".


And you're right, I'm sorry; I misread the post about tunneling. I thought it said you ARE going to tunnel him this game. My apologies lol. I wasn't asking if you not to scum read him. I prefer that you do scum read him, specifically because I am not scum reading him. This allows for more thorough reads from multiple players after the d1 flip, to see associations, ect.

Yes, I completely agree! Heil the town! Let's build more associations together. You forgot to respond to my latest Gyr post:


Gyr tries to softclaim / radiate townyness in general - He tells anecdotes about receiving his town PM, he openly whines about "how boring the night-phase is", exc.. So, in regards to the awareness point, it doesn't take a lot of awareness to execute a strategy you use often. What set this soft apart from when he does it as town was that this time it looked really forced.

As I see it, there are two hypotheses 1: "Gyr was truly unaware the setup was nightkill-less." or 2: "Gyr was aware that the setup was nightkill-less, but unaware that trying to soft not knowing the setup would look forced in this context". 2 looks far more plausible.

In scenario 2 he isn't even necessarily scum. He could be town that thinks admitting 2 is true increases his chances of being mislynched, but 2 still seems more plausible.

Anyway, I was more interested to hear your response to this specifically. It was never my intention to directly discuss it with Gyr, which is why my initial post was addressed to you, not him.

This was the post I actually wanted to hear your thoughts on. Let's build those associations together, pal =D.


PS: When do I ever have chill? I'm a dickhead in all games, especially when people engage me. If SuperJack thinks that I'm going to roll over and let him vote me & put me at L-3 when he's being retarded and not having any argument and has people AGREEING with the lack of argument, then yea I'm going to react. I'm an aggressive player, dealwithit

I wasn't talking about the rudeness really... You just seem very serious. I dunno why.

[Mesk514]

I miss Urinal YZB

[yzb25]

I miss Urinal YZB

Urinal yzb was chewed up and spat back out by this cruel, anti-gamethrowing world. You must accept the new and improved yzb Mesk! A little bit of Calix, a little bit of Darknessb, but far shittier than either!

[yzb25]

Oh yeah

Gyrlander You still haven't responded to this:


Mesk: You suggest Mesk will be easier to solve in the future. Do you mind sharing how you plan to sort Mesk?

Orpz: FYI, Orpz posted that stuff about you before me.

Iced: Do you think Iced defending Mesk is AI? I don't think he "hard townreads" her, honestly.

Whad: Other than the readwall, do you have any other negatives on Whad? The "confident and relaxed tone" and the "subtantiated arguments" are strong reasons to townread Whad. I personally didn't find Whad's readwall offensive for page 8.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Seriously. You are really over dramatising and getting far to emotional for what a rational Townie would.
It looks to me your a scum who is getting upset for being voted for the wrong reasons.

I disagree. You did something stupid. It's not unreasonable for anyone to get cynical over your vote given how ridiculous it was.

Your continued efforts to references the reactions to it are coming across as bait as well, however I don't agree that anything you get from crypt can be justified as AI, since you're only reinforcing the ridiculousness of the scenario.

I think its time to move onto focusing on something else about him. Then perhaps you could both be productive.

[Iced_Monopoly]

All I have to say is, I'm a citizen and I am easy to sort!

No. You said at half way you would start contributing. You have a lot more to say. Start participating.

[Cryptonic]

I'm confused. You literally said you are townreading Gyrlander for pointing out logic holes:




I mean, I can understand applying that attitude to, I dunno, my push on Mesk, which, looking back, was really overstated - because that's serious drama, and it's beneficial to let that "play out". However, SJ's push was clearly a troll push at worst and a glorified reaction test / random vote at best. Gyr didn't even take a solid stance, as you acknowledged just after, I believe.



I meant you have to accept that I can't put it into words, not that I'm flawless town and my word is gospel. The point of a gut read is you can't explain it logically. If you could, it wouldn't be a gut read LOL. In regards to the daisy chain logic to explain why it's scummy, all I can say is ">.>".



Yes, I completely agree! Heil the town! Let's build more associations together. You forgot to respond to my latest Gyr post:



This was the post I actually wanted to hear your thoughts on. Let's build those associations together, pal =D.



I wasn't talking about the rudeness really... You just seem very serious. I dunno why.

I am reading Gyrlander Town for it. I specifically stated that if he did the same thing d2 or later, I would be agreeing with your assessment on the situation. But, since it's d1, there is no reason he needed to point out SJ's inability to read or formulate a real read, especially since the push wasn't on him. He could've easily just let it slide on d1 and no one would have questioned it. Seeing that he's the only person in this entire game to address the fact that SJ seriously (yes it was serious, he's backed himself up twice afterwards. Just because he says it's a joke now, doesn't mean it is) voted me for copy/pasta for non-Mafia related post, gives me a decent feeling about Gyrlander's slot lol; in fact, Whad joined his train saying she agreed with SJ's reasoning, and still no one questioned it. It's really bizarre that no one is questioning it.
And if SJ wants me to think that it was a joke vote, then he should really be confused about what Whad followed him with it. But, he's not questioning Whad's decision. I find that to be intriguing.

So, to address your point about SJ's push being a troll, I'd like you to consider the following:
1) If SJ was "trolling", why does he defend his push twice in the game.
2) When SJ admits he was "joking", why doesn't he question Whad agreeing with SJ? Wouldn't you find it suspicious if someone legitimately agreed with your troll and thought it was a reasonable assessment?


And no, I understood what you meant, and I still don't have to agree. And I also disagree that you can't put a gut feeling into words. You get a gut feeling, and then you translate that feeling. There is a specific reasoning why stuff gives you gut feelings while you read it. I'm not asking you to explain why you think it's scummy, because you never thought it was scummy. I'm asking what about it gives you a bad feeling. Did you think the logic wasn't there, do you think it was insincere, do you think I was buddying?
And, honestly, you should be TRYING to put your gut feelings into a logical argument. Either that, or keep it to yourself lol. Otherwise, it literally is just filler (like you said you do when you're scum). Unless you're a heavily emotional player (you don't seem to be), then you should be able to put it into words.



In your post that you quoted of yourself, why do you think that 2 is more plausible? I forgot that this game didn't have night actions before it started as well, so I don't think it's as far fetched as you are making it out to be. I also find it strange that you find it more likely that a player was both aware AND unaware, rather than just forgetting about the setup for a second. That doesn't make any sense to me, as it is a much simpler situation to be situation #1. You're making things complex and saying it is more plausible, but that's not how reality works.



And I'm serious because I'm always serious when people are talking to me in regards to game related information. If you want me to be informal and joking around, then ask me questions that don't pertain to the game.

[yzb25]

Just gonna post some thoughts on Whad and Iced thus far:

I actually really liked Iced's interactions with Mesk. When he made this post:


Since I said I would continue to make reads of other players. I will agree with yzb that its frustrating that mesk is not making reads.

In a game with only VTs she should be avtively making reads based on interactions between players, instead shes resigning herself to not committing to anything and joking about instead.

A case could be made that shes uncomfortable or perhaps finding it difficult providing reads when shes scum against a list of only citizens

However, mesk has played scum in this setup before, and if anything would be better equipped to deal with d1 as scum if she rerolled it. It also, as a meta read, vomes across as bored townie who doesnt give a fuck about d1.

If mesk is town, which i believe she is, I would expect her to step up her game, even if she is bored.

It looked like he was making an effort to placate my over-the-top reaction in a way that acknowledged the validity of my points and didn't throw unnecessary shade. His reasons for townreading Mesk make sense, even if I still have her as only a null/town at best.

Iced has also consistently given coherent, reasonable responses to all of Crypt's shots. Though I have some mechanics disagreements with him, his style seems consistent with X Wing.

___________________________________

I also like Whad. Whad's response to Iced has been very composed and consistently looks like someone trying to figure out the intentions of Iced's push rather than just shut them down.

I liked Whad's readwall - it had understandable reasons. I don't necessarily agree with all of his reasoning entirely. But, for example, he seemed to take a natural liking to SJ as he talked to him more, so it makes sense to put him as town.

Also, if Whad is supposed to be the type who easily cracks / starts chatting shit as scum, he doesn't seem to be doing that this game. His reasoning seems sincere.

It's kind of ironic I have 'em as green, given they're pushing eachother lol.

[Cryptonic]

I disagree. You did something stupid. It's not unreasonable for anyone to get cynical over your vote given how ridiculous it was.

Your continued efforts to references the reactions to it are coming across as bait as well, however I don't agree that anything you get from crypt can be justified as AI, since you're only reinforcing the ridiculousness of the scenario.

I think its time to move onto focusing on something else about him. Then perhaps you could both be productive.

Thank you for actually seeing things from my perspective.

He is voting me, and the only point is "you are being reactive". That forces a player into a position of either being a bitch and accepting the train, or arguing the point and playing into the description of "reactive". It's like a self fulfilling prophecy for SJ to use as an argument in either situation.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Im kind of dissapointed by the lack of posts this morning, its usually much busier while I'm asleep.

When i get to a pc, im going to ISO titus. Im not a fan of the free pass they seem to be receiving. I don't have much else to say as of right now.

[Cryptonic]

his style seems consistent with X Wing.

Love dat meta

[Cryptonic]

Also, if Whad is supposed to be the type who easily cracks / starts chatting shit as scum, he doesn't seem to be doing that this game. His reasoning seems sincere.

I'm sorry, can you explain how Whad's reasoning is sincere? lol
Please go back and look at the reads, which is all based on Meta and contains no logic. They also support my train and base it on that they agree with SJ thinking my copy/pasta is scummy because "too much info for d1".

So, I would like to see your explanation on how Whad's reasoning is sincere.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Love dat meta

I dont think ive ever played a game where i havnt been scum to heavily scum read straight out of the gate. Feelsbadman

[Gyrlander]

Mesk: You suggest Mesk will be easier to solve in the future. Do you mind sharing how you plan to sort Mesk?

Orpz: FYI, Orpz posted that stuff about you before me.

Iced: Do you think Iced defending Mesk is AI? I don't think he "hard townreads" her, honestly.

Whad: Other than the readwall, do you have any other negatives on Whad? The "confident and relaxed tone" and the "subtantiated arguments" are strong reasons to townread Whad. I personally didn't find Whad's readwall offensive for page 8.

Mesk: As of now, I don't really have any idea of how I can sort her. That's why I said that "time will make it happen", hoping that something eventually happens.

Orpz: Well... then IDC. Null.

Iced: Hum, I don't know. That's why I didn't comment on it much. Maybe if Mesk is scum Iced would have been trying to help her survive because he saw 3 people suddenly voting her and panicked? And well, he has defended her many times so... that's why I said hard townreading.

Whad: I can say I didn't like his recent comments. Don't know if it is biased or not, though.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Aight, on a PC now.

While im writing my post, Mesk514 Mesk514 Mesk514
You promised us contributions, reads, and non shitposting at the halfway mark. The time is now, get your ass back here and do something.

[Cryptonic]

let's just lynch SJ today. or MZ. no contribution, its a good d1 starting point IMO

[Mesk514]

Aight, on a PC now.

While im writing my post, Mesk514 Mesk514 Mesk514
You promised us contributions, reads, and non shitposting at the halfway mark. The time is now, get your ass back here and do something.

I still have a couple hours dude

[Mesk514]

And I never promised anyone reads. IT'S THE SAME THING EVERY SINGLE GAME!!!!!!! WHILE I'M SOMEWHAT CAPABLE THIS IS DAY 1AS LONG AS WE DON'T NO LYNCH I'M GOID WITH ANYTHING

[Gyrlander]

And I never promised anyone reads. IT'S THE SAME THING EVERY SINGLE GAME!!!!!!! WHILE I'M SOMEWHAT CAPABLE THIS IS DAY 1AS LONG AS WE DON'T NO LYNCH I'M GOID WITH ANYTHING

YOU DIDN'T PROMISE ANYTHING BUT YOU'RE FORCED TO, DAMMIT.

[yzb25]

let's just lynch SJ today. or MZ. no contribution, its a good d1 starting point IMO

No. Unknown has 4 reserves for any excessive inactives. If we train someone for such a dry ass reason the train will give us jackshit for information, and we'll end up as ignorant on day 2 as we were on day 1.

Anyway, apologies for the late responses to your posts. I'm getting tired cuz I'm trying to cram for a test at the same time, but I'll try to respond to every thing and say what I want to say before bed.

[Iced_Monopoly]

I'll heal you with my masonry love. It's ok.
*crosses fingers*


Wrong role. I'm a mason, not an escort.


MattZed
My vodka's getting warm.

Special attention should be drawn to these first three posts from Titus. All three are lighthearted fun and presented as jokes, not to be taken seriously. Their respective post counts are 13, 17, 28. It should be noted that all 3 of these appear AFTER mesk's joke post about Orpz, Crypt, and MZ being the scum team (#11).

I will come back to this in a later quote analysis.


It's my maiden name. I've used it since I was kid around online. It harkens back to Rome I think although I haven't traced it back that far.


I think that was the roman emperor.

A seemingly benign set of posts, irrelevant to the game. Still early enough into the day that they dont detract from meaningful conversation.


Mesk514

A vote on mesk, no justification or reasoning. Not provoked (ie counter RVS).


She takes a vodka drink
She takes a vodka drink

She gets knocked down
She gets up again

Oh yeah I ain't never staying down

Shitposting as far as I can tell, that or a call back to an inside joke shared with MZ (post #28)


Is this serious?

A comment on Mesks post (#57) about scum being on her train, and that her initial scum team post should be followed when shes lynched.


Whad (1 [L-5]):
Iced_Monopoly
Iced_Monopoly (1 [L-5]):
yzb25
Mesk514 (3 [L-3]):
Titus, Cryptonic, Orpz
Cryptonic (2 [L-4]):
Gyrlander, SuperJack

Push back on Crypt is interesting. If Mesk is scum, Gyr or SJ is a good candidate for a partner.

First useful post of the game, makes note of players voting crypt when there is a train on Mesk. However both these votes on Crypt stemmed from the same wiki copypaste post that he made. Both had no justification on them, and would be unsupportable by anyone who wasnt wanting to join in on the joke. Reads as a weak attempt to make the mesk train seem more reasonable, despite their being no grounds for a legitimate counter train on cryptonic.


WHy are you supposing Matt will vote Mesk?

This was in reply to yzb asking everyone if we would lynch mesk's scum pool if she flips inno (#88). It should be obvious that YZB supposes matt will vote mesk, because of the running theme that all of mesks scum picks are on her train, an acceptable read based on the running joke.


You are really scattershot.

No particular comments here.


Speed of a wagon is NAI, especially on day 1. Forever long days can be toxic to town.

No particular comments here.


What is it you're saying here about me?

Miscommunication here, thinking yzb's reply was directed at her, where as it was directed at me.


Very rarely a town player would be, if they found partner theory they lacled evidence for. That does not seem like Mesk though.

Appears to be a reply to the last sentence in the above post (#135) made by whad, regarding the caution players need to take when posting thoughts. Continues to bring all conversation back towards Mesk.


Which post? I missed it.

No particular comments here, reasonably easy mistake to make. If I absolutely had to push it and make a case for it, I would question how titus could miss my plan, which was discussed with Titus for the better part of an hour, but still be reading mesk so often.


You called a scumteam so you don't have a reason to be shy.


My name is Titus. I take everything seriously.

What are your "serious" reads?

And these last two posts are where we come full circle.
Mesk calls her 'scum team' as a joke in the very opening posts of the game. It is apparent to all that these are jokes and should be accepted as such. Titus herself makes 3 consecutive joke posts at the same time as mesks posts (despite claiming to 'take everything seriously'). She then builds her case/tunnels mesk for the rest of the game based on a joke she made, despite making jokes herself.


In all, Titus feels very focused on mesk, with little to no legitimate case on her. She pushes on nothing, and even attempts to support her case by references pushes on others (which are also baseless jokes). The only thing titus has done that I like is to pressure mesk to contribute more; An unjustified vote early in the game, continual baseless arguements, and a lack of looking into other players however is ridiculous given we've elapsed half of D1. Anyone giving titus a free pass or town read for this lazy, and scummy behaviour is also going in my notes. Its as bad as superjacks case on crypt.

I know that gyr will come back with his 'hard defending mesk' comments about me. My position however is simple. Mesk needs to contribute. She is being scumread for joking around. The time for jokes has now passed, and she has promised to post, so she better fucking post. Players like SJ and Titus, who are forming baseless arguements need to be looked at first.

[Iced_Monopoly]

And I never promised anyone reads. IT'S THE SAME THING EVERY SINGLE GAME!!!!!!! WHILE I'M SOMEWHAT CAPABLE THIS IS DAY 1AS LONG AS WE DON'T NO LYNCH I'M GOID WITH ANYTHING


I still have a couple hours dude


You should know me by now Titus, I don't have anything serious to day til half way through day 1.

It is halfway through D1, you do not have hours 'dude'. In fact, we are half an hour past the halfway mark. There is more than enough content for you to start being 'serious'.

[Iced_Monopoly]

No. Unknown has 4 reserves for any excessive inactives. If we train someone for such a dry ass reason the train will give us jackshit for information, and we'll end up as ignorant on day 2 as we were on day 1.

Anyway, apologies for the late responses to your posts. I'm getting tired cuz I'm trying to cram for a test at the same time, but I'll try to respond to every thing and say what I want to say before bed.

Agreed, lynching a null/inactive is useless to us today.

[Cryptonic]

No. Unknown has 4 reserves for any excessive inactives. If we train someone for such a dry ass reason the train will give us jackshit for information, and we'll end up as ignorant on day 2 as we were on day 1.

Anyway, apologies for the late responses to your posts. I'm getting tired cuz I'm trying to cram for a test at the same time, but I'll try to respond to every thing and say what I want to say before bed.

no contribution does not equal inactive.....?
Why do you think lynching SJ would give jackshit for information, he has had several interactions with several people. If you think that would make us just as ignorant, then you are blind.

[Gyrlander]

Two words.

[Cryptonic]

I also don't understand how SJ can post on the forums but not post in the game (when a discussion is going on in regards to him).

[SuperJack]

I also don't understand how SJ can post on the forums but not post in the game (when a discussion is going on in regards to him).

=)

[Iced_Monopoly]

no contribution does not equal inactive.....?
Why do you think lynching SJ would give jackshit for information, he has had several interactions with several people. If you think that would make us just as ignorant, then you are blind.

Il reply to this since I was in agreement with YZB. I think the 'jackshit' comment was more directed towards your MZ suggestion, as he actually hasnt done anything. Lynching SJ would reveal some information, but very little. I encourage you to ISO SJ, with what hes posted, is there anything outstandingly useful that would give us an edge in D2? I echo YZBs thoughts that a lynch on either would essentially leave us in another D1 type game come D2.

[Iced_Monopoly]

At this point, im scum reading almost everyone in the game.

The only people im Town reading are YZB, for having very similar thought processes to my own, and Crypt, for being reasonably close to my thoughts, and for being targeted for absurd reasoning.

Whad has been responding reasonably well to my posts against him, although his recent reads list attracted a reasonable amount of criticism from player I T read. Willing to lump him in the null basket as of now.

MZ doesnt even exist.

Mesk, Gyr, Orpz, and SJ are all shitposting or just avoiding contributing at all, and are coming across as pretty scummy. Orpz and SJ I expect more from than the other two, which is more troubling than anything that theyre not contributing meaningfully.

Titus is my biggest scum read (see my ISO), so im moving my vote here. Titus

[Gyrlander]

=)

Your continous =) posts are annoying... but cute. I feel like living a contradiction. Now, tell us. Who would you lynch and who would you offer your life for in order to save him?

[Gyrlander]

At this point, im scum reading almost everyone in the game.

The only people im Town reading are YZB, for having very similar thought processes to my own, and Crypt, for being reasonably close to my thoughts, and for being targeted for absurd reasoning.

Whad has been responding reasonably well to my posts against him, although his recent reads list attracted a reasonable amount of criticism from player I T read. Willing to lump him in the null basket as of now.

MZ doesnt even exist.

Mesk, Gyr, Orpz, and SJ are all shitposting or just avoiding contributing at all, and are coming across as pretty scummy. Orpz and SJ I expect more from than the other two, which is more troubling than anything that theyre not contributing meaningfully.

Titus is my biggest scum read (see my ISO), so im moving my vote here. Titus

The fact that I've tried making good posts and explaining my thoughts / yzb's issue and yet you say this makes me want to become a Disguiser, kill trump, and nuke your fucking country.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Also, where the fuck is everyone at. Nothing happened in the usual peak hours of this site. This time yesterday we got 8 pages of content, it is now a sunday for most of you, we should be easily able to get another 8 pages MINIMUM. (I dont have 50ppp on). The absences in this game are ridiculous.

Mesk514
Titus
MattZed
Orpz

Lets go.

[Gyrlander]

At this point, im scum reading almost everyone in the game.

The only people im Town reading are YZB, for having very similar thought processes to my own, and Crypt, for being reasonably close to my thoughts, and for being targeted for absurd reasoning.

Whad has been responding reasonably well to my posts against him, although his recent reads list attracted a reasonable amount of criticism from player I T read. Willing to lump him in the null basket as of now.

MZ doesnt even exist.

Mesk, Gyr, Orpz, and SJ are all shitposting or just avoiding contributing at all, and are coming across as pretty scummy. Orpz and SJ I expect more from than the other two, which is more troubling than anything that theyre not contributing meaningfully.

Titus is my biggest scum read (see my ISO), so im moving my vote here. Titus

"My town reads are these guys that have the same thoughts as me, if you don't agree with me, well, prepare your booty!"

[Iced_Monopoly]

The fact that I've tried making good posts and explaining my thoughts / yzb's issue and yet you say this makes me want to become a Disguiser, kill trump, and nuke your fucking country.

Oooo wow, such contribution!

You spent 50% of your posts doing nothing but shitposting. The posts that arent shitposting are nothing but fencesitting "OOOO I REALLY WANNA VOTE YOU BUT I DONT", or theyre just spent defending yourself. defending yourself from the god damn start post you made, not even anything recent. Where the fuck is the scum hunting, or actively trying to read players outside of the group that are approaching you or reading you. stop being so damn reactive and start contributing on your own terms;

[Gyrlander]

Oooo wow, such contribution!

You spent 50% of your posts doing nothing but shitposting. The posts that arent shitposting are nothing but fencesitting "OOOO I REALLY WANNA VOTE YOU BUT I DONT", or theyre just spent defending yourself. defending yourself from the god damn start post you made, not even anything recent. Where the fuck is the scum hunting, or actively trying to read players outside of the group that are approaching you or reading you. stop being so damn reactive and start contributing on your own terms;

I prefer town reading people and then vote the ones that aren't in my personal town block.

[Iced_Monopoly]

"My town reads are these guys that have the same thoughts as me, if you don't agree with me, well, prepare your booty!"

Atleast theyre making posts, reads, and analysing the game independently of being asked to do it. If anything, being in my town basket for having similar thoughts is a worse position to be in. Because if they start deviating from their logic, then it will be obvious they have a motive, which would be a pretty big scum tell.

[Orpz]

Also, where the fuck is everyone at. Nothing happened in the usual peak hours of this site. This time yesterday we got 8 pages of content, it is now a sunday for most of you, we should be easily able to get another 8 pages MINIMUM. (I dont have 50ppp on). The absences in this game are ridiculous.

Mesk514
Titus
MattZed
Orpz

Lets go.

Sundays are my busiest days tbqh. Not gonna be home til 1AM, but I will be on from time to time. Spending my few free hours reading since posting takes too much time rn.

Mesk has made a lot of posts though, and I'm surprised you tagged her but left out Whad.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Gyrlander I apologise for my previous outburst, im just dissapointed in the state of the game at the moment.

Im not going to ask you to reply to something specific like everyone else is. I want you to come up with something independent and original. Focus on any person, or any interaction between two people that hasnt already been covered by someone else. Report on it, give us your interpretation, your reads on the player(s), whatever the fuck you like. Prove that youre not just a reactive lurker, do something proactive.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Sundays are my busiest days tbqh. Not gonna be home til 1AM, but I will be on from time to time. Spending my few free hours reading since posting takes too much time rn.

Mesk has made a lot of posts though, and I'm surprised you tagged her but left out Whad.

Pls go re-read mesks posts, there is little to no content in them. She might as well just be posting song lyrics at this stage, would probably be more beneficial.

[Iced_Monopoly]

pedit, i said two people in my previous post, but i dont care how many people you focus on, hell you can go for a grand overarching theory for all I care, just make it original

[Iced_Monopoly]

I want everyones thoughts on Titus' case against mesk, and her other interactions as well, especially from those that were previously reading her town.