Come at me

[Dimwit]

The title is misleading, I have no intent on responding to or discussing anything with anyone until post game. All I have to say is this:

I am one member of Eternity among 5. I wanted to heal Auckmid, they didn't, that's that. If you have a problem with it, take it up with one of them.

You can call me lucky, and if I am that lucky I need to go to the Casino:
Night 1: (didn't use ability)
Night 2: Find Tiberius
Night 3: Find Lucifer
Night 4: Jailed
Night 5: No results
Night 6: Find new Demon murderer.

That's some fucking AWESOME luck if it's nothing but, which I contend is simply not the case.

You can criticize the way I played, but you can't criticize my results... how efficiently those results were used has nothing to do with me. I did my part, I stated my cases.

Oh, and I don't sling mud, only facts. If you think I was slinging mud, Sin had you jaded to their propaganda, it's as simple as that. Ambient was fucking good at it and Zack took pro lessons from Ambient. I also now see why philie is considered respected FM vet around here.

Something to note: going into day 6, Sin was convinced they had already lost (I had a discussion with Dark.Rev over rules, and he set me strait on some points). Even they didn't believe there own day 6 bullshit, especially after Ambient getting lynched. I would ask someone to explain to me how they WEREN'T full of shit, knowing this, but I don't care.

Have at me if you like, but I have nothing left to contribute to this FM and will be making my way through it as a lurker, FINALLY!

So yeah, that's that. (I originally said Fuck Off right here, but that could be taken to be much harsher than I meant it, so I removed it and put this here instead.)

EDIT: As angry as this all sounds, I had a shit ton of fun. It is only fair that I thank everyone for making this enjoyable. I fucking LOVE to argue, and I got to do a shit ton of it. Thanks.

[Dust]

I liked how you played....

[Deathfire123]

I agree with Dust, don't fret Dimwit, people let go of their RP grudges in Dead chat (most of the time) and many of us liked you way you played

[Nick]

From your post, I assume that you failed to see the main points...

1) Calling you all luck no ability

Makes Humanity trust you less, thus they won't pay too much attention to your logic.

2) Propaganda by Ambient, Zack and philie

To confuse Humanity, erode their confidence and make them doubt their own judgement (support on Eternity).

3) Mud-slinging

To the same effect.

4) Regarding Auckmid

Sin used the incident to the fullest. With you as Eternity's herald, obviously the blame will be on you.

5) Logic alone is not enough

See politics.

6) THIS IS A GAME!!!

And Dimwit, if you bother reading the dead chat, you got a lot of praises.

[Dust]

Most of our hate is/was directed at Auckmid. Since he gets LVP, we are happy that justice is served.

For most of the game all of dead chat has been rooting for Eternity. We still do. I don't like that Illidan suicided though...

[Nick]

Most of our hate is/was directed at Auckmid. Since he gets LVP, we are happy that justice is served.

For most of the game all of dead chat has been rooting for Eternity. We still do. I don't like that Illidan suicided though...

I'm also not too pleased with Elixir and fred. Then again, it is not for me to judge.

Illidan seemed angry in FM. I don't know if it is an act or for real?

I'm sad that Raiden didn't post anymore.

[Dimwit]

Ok, I skimmed dead chat and wrongly attributed Eternity to mean Dimwit in my memory in some cases. I was also a little frustrated having to watch myself get lynched from my phone at work and had little opportunity to say much else. So I suppose I vented a bit with an aggravated aim at dead chat, wrongly obviously.

Illidan was clearly also aggravated, and although I appreciate the solidarity, I can't forgive his suicide. Kind of... giving up before the game was actually over, although so many Humanity siding with Sin this last day, and few that will side back, especially with Illidan's suicide, the game is effectively over so I suppose it's really moot anyways.

I did fight for the dead, I really wanted as many winners as possible. That's a genuine sentiment derived mostly from the RP of my role.

Thanks guys.

[Ubernox]

You made the right decisions, and I'm sad to see such an agent of Eternity die to this idiot town. Healing Tiberius, even if you thought he would have a Legionnaire on him, just to be sure, would have been the right choice, however. My only true comment on this situation is:

SUICIDE: FUCK YEAH.

[Nick]

You made the right decisions, and I'm sad to see such an agent of Eternity die to this idiot town. Healing Tiberius, even if you thought he would have a Legionnaire on him, just to be sure, would have been the right choice, however. My only true comment on this situation is:

SUICIDE: FUCK YEAH.

Putting a healer on Tiberius is solely for claiming morality high ground. He will die sooner or later. Just need to make sure when he dies, Eternity can say that they tried, and Sin is bad for killing Tiberius.

Death is better than staying in this shitty world.

[Dimwit]

Putting a healer on Tiberius is solely for claiming morality high ground. He will die sooner or later. Just need to make sure when he dies, Eternity can say that they tried, and Sin is bad for killing Tiberius.

Death is better than staying in this shitty world.

Since you're talking about my inner thoughts, let me correct you.

To me, keeping Tiberius alive was not only taking the moral high ground (which I was playing on, as I stated, as I felt was dictated by the RP, but was wholly genuine) but also maintaining a powerful ally, the only one that still had night kills, empowering the day vote, and keeping Rome from going Sin, empowering Sin.

The only point at which that I personally saw it as acceptable for Tiberius to die was when both Pilate and the Tax Collectors were already dead.

There were many reasons why I wanted Tiberius healed, strategic propaganda was not one of them.

[Ubernox]

Any idea why he wasn't healed by neither of the Angels? Pray, give us an insight into the Eternity's night chat.

[Dimwit]

I'm sorry, but I won't expose the remaining members of Eternity in any capacity. You can ask them if and probably when they die.

[Illidan]

Illidan was clearly also aggravated, and although I appreciate the solidarity, I can't forgive his suicide. Kind of... giving up before the game was actually over, although so many Humanity siding with Sin this last day, and few that will side back, especially with Illidan's suicide, the game is effectively over so I suppose it's really moot anyways.
Sorry if the suicide hurted you, it wasn't supposed to. We lost, there's no reason to drag this game more. I should have done it when DR added the auto unseal bullshit tho, I didn't just because I was in a team and not just humanity anymore. This game is a farce and should end now.

I really hated being eternity. The angels did whatever the fuck came in their mind without ever caring about what the other said. I told them the sin was going to attack tiberius. I'm sad I didn't insist because I was really sick of dicussing with them, as it didn't change anything the previous nights even if I insisted a lot. That's basically what happened in every FM where I had a night chat. No one ever listened to me, no matter how my reasoning made sense and how much proof i gave, and they always happened to lost.

To Nick, yes. I was angry because of the night chats mostly, and because this game wasn't fun anymore. EDIT: oh and with Auckmid. Holy shit if I was angry with him. He really likes to ruin games for the others.

That said, this is my last FM. Thanks for the fun I had in the previous ones (not this one), expecially FM3, and to all the people that didn't failed me. You were a good teammate Dimwit, I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my suicide.

Cya.

[Deathfire123]

Illidan :( We want you in more FM's that arent so...to be completely honest, boring. If I was on a team with you I'd listen to you, just take a look at FM3

[Ubernox]

I'm starting to see a pattern here. First we have capable Fred and Elixir, but idiot Auckmid. THEN we have intelligent Dimwit and Illidan, but faggot Angels. I wish people would stop holding back information about their teams. I'm almost as in the dark as I would be if I was still alive. In fact, I'd probably know MORE if I was still alive.


But Holy shit, don't leave Illidan - I haven't had a proper chance to play with you! And why are you leaving?

[Illidan]

I'm starting to see a pattern here. First we have capable Fred and Elixir, but idiot Auckmid. THEN we have intelligent Dimwit and Illidan, but faggot Angels. I wish people would stop holding back information about their teams. I'm almost as in the dark as I would be if I was still alive. In fact, I'd probably know MORE if I was still alive.
Apparently there's no spoiler tag so I pmed the remaining eternity members to you.


But Holy shit, don't leave Illidan - I haven't had a proper chance to play with you! And why are you leaving?
I'm just not having fun anymore, so there's really no point in playing more of those. I don't blame anyone, I just prefer spending my time doing something that I actually enjoy. I shouldn't even sign up for this one, I tried one last time but as I was thinking it's not worth it.

[Zane]

:O Noes Illidan

[Ubernox]

Thanks bro. Wow, I never really thought of those guys :O

What are you going to move on to? Care to tell us what your interests now are? Forgive me if my questions are particularly forward, but is it work related, or are you simply moving on to a new past time?

[Illidan]

Thanks bro. Wow, I never really thought of those guys :O

What are you going to move on to? Care to tell us what your interests now are? Forgive me if my questions are particularly forward, but is it work related, or are you simply moving on to a new past time?
The latter. No idea, I'll think of something :)

[Ubernox]

Shit. The three people I never really got a chance to experience on the field of battle:

1. Narks, the master troll, survived by his son Suicidaln00b and thought to have gone into hiding

2. Spy, the philosopher extraordinaire, who was never seen after the forum change and, like narks, could possibly be undercover under the guise of another

3. Illidan, the one who broke Oops's magical code in FM.

[Brennenburg]

Dimwit, as far as I'm concerned, you're a BM faggot for having the gall to insult Vornskr in your last will.

You lacked the charisma to persuade town to side with you, especially when you hinged your arguments on things that didn't matter, morality, or some issue with the math. I don't know, the fact of the matter is, Ambient never lied once during day 6. The fact that you didn't heal Tiberius after heavily implying that you would was just a tool for Sin to use to inspire the masses against you. It's like, textbook incitement, especially when you're claiming to take the moral highground 'I-wont-betray-you-but-they-will!' argument. It's a mistake only a child would make, and you made it worse by admitting that he wasn't healed.

You are the sole cause of this, you should have recognized the fact that Sin was employing Gluttony and simply said that he was healed.

Vorn, on the other hand, was one of the best players in this game. He wasn't even unsealed, but he pretended he was, if only to take a bullet for his team that could have been directed at someone more important(Zack). There was not even a second's hesitation in his attempt to counter-claim Jesus against McPwnage, and while of course it didn't work, I'm sure his intent was to draw out other eternity members who were lustful for battle. He gave off the facade of pro eternity at every step, manipulating how the game worked in order to seem like he was motivated by morality and the ease of the game rather than the traditional means which made him harder to pin and three times as infuriating to debate day chat with. He may not have made any sweeping realizations or been able to use his abilities, but with what he had and what he set out to do, he played his part to the utmost, and only others served to disappoint him. Not the other way around.

And Philie, my muse, is simply exceptional at feigning humanity. While she may not have gotten the coin flip to show favorably to save vorn, she has been extremely dominate during the night. I know you didn't talk shit on her, but I won't pass up an opportunity to praise her.

[wolfcheese]

Damn, and here I was wishing that I had joined eternity. Sounds less fun than I thought. Guess Rome wasn't the only team with night chat issues.

Looks like I'm not getting a win, but I don't feel I would've deserved it anyway.

[Nick]

@Jack



You are the sole cause of this,

Unwarranted statement. Why pile all the blame on Dimwit? Eternity as a whole are bad with propaganda.



And Philie, my muse, is simply exceptional at feigning humanity. While she may not have gotten the coin flip to show favorably to save vorn, she has been extremely dominate during the night. I know you didn't talk shit on her, but I won't pass up an opportunity to praise her.


Ambient, philie and Zack ran a train of propaganda against Eternity that actually had an effect, so good job to you three.

Dimwit admitted that Sin is good with propaganda. philie's name was included. For additional praises, you are really expecting too much. HE JUST LOST THE GAME!


@Dimwit



The rest of Sin, you sucked.

Unless there is some strategy in this statement, I agree it will be bad manners. Not only to vornskr, but to other players that just knew that they were demons. Dimwit you should explain why.

[Brennenburg]

@Jack



Unwarranted statement. Why pile all the blame on Dimwit? Eternity as a whole are bad with propaganda.





Dimwit admitted that Sin is good with propaganda. philie's name was included. For additional praises, you are really expecting too much. HE JUST LOST THE GAME!


@Dimwit



Unless there is some strategy in this statement, I agree it will be bad manners. Not only to vornskr, but to other players that just knew that they were demons. Dimwit you should explain why.
CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND FUCKING READ WHAT I SAID BEFORE RESPONDING TO ME? THANKS!

[Dimwit]

Dimwit, as far as I'm concerned, you're a BM faggot for having the gall to insult Vornskr in your last will.

You lacked the charisma to persuade town to side with you, especially when you hinged your arguments on things that didn't matter, morality, or some issue with the math. I don't know, the fact of the matter is, Ambient never lied once during day 6. The fact that you didn't heal Tiberius after heavily implying that you would was just a tool for Sin to use to inspire the masses against you. It's like, textbook incitement, especially when you're claiming to take the moral highground 'I-wont-betray-you-but-they-will!' argument. It's a mistake only a child would make, and you made it worse by admitting that he wasn't healed.

You are the sole cause of this, you should have recognized the fact that Sin was employing Gluttony and simply said that he was healed.

Vorn, on the other hand, was one of the best players in this game. He wasn't even unsealed, but he pretended he was, if only to take a bullet for his team that could have been directed at someone more important(Zack). There was not even a second's hesitation in his attempt to counter-claim Jesus against McPwnage, and while of course it didn't work, I'm sure his intent was to draw out other eternity members who were lustful for battle. He gave off the facade of pro eternity at every step, manipulating how the game worked in order to seem like he was motivated by morality and the ease of the game rather than the traditional means which made him harder to pin and three times as infuriating to debate day chat with. He may not have made any sweeping realizations or been able to use his abilities, but with what he had and what he set out to do, he played his part to the utmost, and only others served to disappoint him. Not the other way around.

And Philie, my muse, is simply exceptional at feigning humanity. While she may not have gotten the coin flip to show favorably to save vorn, she has been extremely dominate during the night. I know you didn't talk shit on her, but I won't pass up an opportunity to praise her.

I love it when statements like this are made, because then I can use the word fallacious. I won't even dignify this with an actual response it is so full of fail.

[Brennenburg]

I love it when statements like this are made, because then I can use the word fallacious. I won't even dignify this with an actual response it is so full of fail.

Thank you for proving my argument for me.

[vornksr]

Wow, so again Dimwit, what did I do that makes you think so lowly of me?

Thanks for the support, Jack. :)

[Ambient]

Wow, so again Dimwit, what did I do that makes you think so lowly of me?

Thanks for the support, Jack. :)

I believe he is upset and angry.

[Brennenburg]

Wow, so again Dimwit, what did I do that makes you think so lowly of me?

Thanks for the support, Jack. :)

You're welcome. We came to blows this game but I believe that is simply an effect of how well you really played.

[Dimwit]

I've already made these arguments. I don't need to again. You read and assumed what you wanted to and continue to ignore much else. I have no interest in continuing them.

[vornksr]

You're welcome. We came to blows this game but I believe that is simply an effect of how well you really played.

I'm glad you see it that way. You made the early days of the game quite enjoyable; I'm glad we had you with us.

Just in case it's not clear, I've got no hard feelings towards anyone now that I'm dead, regardless of however I seemed during day chat. I enjoyed myself a lot, despite some obvious problems with the game this time around. I'm looking forward to the next games (though I have to admit that, like Illidan, I'm starting to feel a little FM fatigue).

Dimwit, I don't mean to argue, and I completely understand how you're feeling about the game right now. I'm just curious why you think I played badly.

[vornksr]

On an unrelated note, I just realized something amusing: except for FMIII and IV, basically the same thing has always happened to me. I get a protecting role (doc/armorsmith/scum doc) and die without really accomplishing anything with my night powers. FMV was sort of an exception, but only in that I protected my enemies a couple times. XD

I'd really love to get an investigative role or something for once.

[Brennenburg]

I've already made these arguments. I don't need to again. You read and assumed what you wanted to and continue to ignore much else. I have no interest in continuing them.
I actually didn't read a damn word of what you said in this thread, I read your last will and called you out on the bullshit of not even mentioning Vorn by making a comparison between your play and his.

And don't even thinking of responding with "You didn't read what I said so I won't answer you!" because I KNOW you never even addressed him at all, or he wouldn't be asking.

If you're not prepared to back up your claims of the rest of sin playing like shit, don't fucking make a thread called 'Come at me'. Just retreat back into obscurity and be proud of your potshot at one of the best FM players around. Thanks.

[Ambient]

Vorn. You played excellently.

After Dimwit had discovered me. I had remained silent that day for the most part because I knew if I fought it too much they may decided to just lynch Jesus instead. Those events worked out for the best. You did not miss a beat. Because of your actions during the day as a joint speaker for Sin.. you drew away suspicions from some of the other players. Although your death was not prevented twice, your time revealed was crucial to Sin's goals.

[Illidan]

I didn't quite follow the last days witch much attention but why are you saying something about vorn? He played a great game in my book, I thought he was humanity.

Unless i missed something that is.

[Dimwit]

I wasn't taking a shot at vorn. I was taking a last shot at sin, in general to provoke reaction from them. Like I said, you assumed what you wanted.

[Ubernox]

Theres no denying that making them think you were unsealed was a great move. You took being revealed ipby Jesus In your stride, but I think everyone's told you that enough times already.

[Deathfire123]

I always thought Vorn was sealed, but that was because I misread what McPwnage and vorn said, and thought McPwnage said he was sealed.

[Dimwit]

Sorry if anyone thought that anything I said was a personal attack, it wasn't. The sucky sin comment was a simple jab to arouse those Sin still alive.

I don't address Vorn because I don't have an issue with Vorn. Nor do I have an opinion about the way he plays or anything he said; that's not an insult, I just simply have no opinion, I wasn't all that focused on him.

Ambient aggravated the hell out of me during the game, which is a compliment to him, not a criticism. I said on multiple occasions that I had an investment in the RP, and he played Lucifer exceptionally well. Some of that residual hostility may seep out a bit, but it's just from being so into my character and has no bearing on how I feel personally about Ambient.

Illidan, you're right, the game was over. I was just surprised by your suicide. I was hoping you'd take control of the situation and piece it back together with McPwnage and bang out a win. It's cool, no grudge.

Brennenburg, I'm not really sure what I have said to get you upset. I assume it's primarily from the sucky sin comment, so I'm sorry. If the way I played upset you, I'm sorry. This is the only RP I've ever gotten in to, and I really really did.

To anyone else that is upset with me, I'm sorry. And don't think that my not mentioning your name is any sort of slight to you; I'm just high and not sure exactly how many people I've managed to actually grind into.

I have no beef with anyone in particular, I just felt a little misunderstood and was admittedly and quite apparently a little aggravated when I made the OP; I had just gotten lynched by the Humanity I was playing for because some team mates didn't agree on one particular, albeit vital point of strategic interest and Sin masterfully manipulated most of Humanity to champion their cause.

Sorry

[vornksr]

Dimwit, it's just that I'm still in mafia mode, so I'm reading too closely into things. In your last will, you singled out Ambient, philie, and Zack specifically for praise, and then said "The rest of Sin, you sucked." Since I'm the only other member of Sin who's been explicitly revealed, I took it to be a deliberate jab at me--so understandably I was a little taken aback and wanted a little clarification. Since that doesn't seem to be what you meant, no hard feelings. :)

[BorkBot]

Dimwit, you made some good calls on your night actions and got a bit lucky with your finds, but you weren't cautious enough with what you said and not deceptive when you should have been. I agree with Jack that you should've claimed that Tiberius was healed and that Zack was Gluttony. It wouldn't be honest, but it could have turned the tables in our favour. Then again we were at fault as a team for not discussing such a backup plan in the night chat.

Overall I think you played a pretty good game. Slightly better than myself, but not the greatest either.

I suppose "come at me" would be more apt coming from me. Due to some poor calls of mine on night 6 that ultimately cost us our best chance at victory.

We had an incredible streak of setbacks after Dimwit found Lucifer though. The rules change, Dimwit getting jailed, wolfcheese's death due to the weird magic mojo on the AFK legionnaire, the Thief ragequitting and never telling that Lucifer went to unseal Zack the night before he died (he was tracking him), Falsetruth's embalmer claim and nobody counter-claiming it so we didn't know if we could rely on an embalmer at all...

I'm willing to take the blame for the loss, but I was surprised we ever got close to having the upper hand at all. Like Auckmid and some others have already said, this setup absolutely favoured a Roman-Sin alliance from the beginning because Eternity just didn't have anything to use against either faction and Jesus was forced to die early even if Dimwit hadn't found Lucifer.

As for my reasons for not healing Tiberius, I was under the impression that a lot more of Humanity would have to die because Romans would become Sin members and no longer counted towards Sin's goal. So killing him too early would cause a riot against Sin. I also believed that a Legionnaire would be protecting him, and that Sin wouldn't risk attacking him at this moment because the chance he'd be protected was too high. Except if they had Gluttony and would be sure of success, which would have made a heal fruitless anyway.

Nobody really objected to this reasoning. In fact, the day prior to Ambient's lynch, both Illidan and the Thief expressed strongly that they were against healing Auckmid, while I suggested that we might want to do it anyway. Only Dimwit was somewhat reluctant about it when he came back from jail, from what I saw.

Most of the night chats had an easy going atmosphere in my opinion. We had some disagreements, but that's fine (apparently not according to some). I found that Illidan was focusing way too much on other prominent posters, while I wanted to know more about people of whom I thought they had something to hide. I did read all of his input and replied with my own reasoning in response. The one time he openly stated that he was bothered with me ignoring his reads in the chat, it was him who didn't read my direct counter arguments. And it turned out I was right on that count (Vornskr and MileS were both sinners/demons and not humanity PRs). Then again, I failed to find us good recruits early on in the game (had some good reads but investigated the wrong ones) and my suggestion for our first night recruit would've ended in a really quick loss for us (it was Philie).

We definitely made some mistakes, but I don't think Eternity played poorly overall. Just average.

[Illidan]

Overall I think you played a pretty good game. Slightly better than myself, but not the greatest either.
I lol'd.

You were one of the worst eternity members. Not the worst just because the other angel is just terribad. And remember you are the one that made us not heal Tiberius. Deal with it and stop thinking you got everything right like you did in night chat. Thanks.

[Brennenburg]

Damn Illidan, you are fucking mad. I feel bad for getting heated with you in skype, I didn't realized you were this pissed off at the game. I'm really sorry if I drove you towards your decision to quit FM, I was really just being my regular 'argue with everyone I can about everything because arguing is fun' self, no harm meant man.

[Illidan]

Damn Illidan, you are fucking mad. I feel bad for getting heated with you in skype, I didn't realized you were this pissed off at the game. I'm really sorry if I drove you towards your decision to quit FM, I was really just being my regular 'argue with everyone I can about everything because arguing is fun' self, no harm meant man.
Nothing that happened in this game have to do with the decision, it just gave me further proof that I shouldn't play. I don't mind arguing if it's for the right things, but post like Borkbot's one makes me really sad to say the least.

You will see in the eternity night chat that Borkbot basically played like he wasn't in a team. I remember one phrase in particular thas was like "Hey guys these are my thoughts <wall of useless bullshit text> I will decide later who to investigate". He didn't even gave a fucking shit about our opinion. He didn't even ask what we think about it. No matter what I said, he was still going with his dumb target.

The other angel didn't even read the day threads NOR the night one. He wasted 2 nights worth of investigation. You'll have fun reading how I got mad in ... night 5 I think it was.

EDIT: fun fact: one night me and the last disciple (edited out the name, sry if you read it) wanted to investigate Fred and Zack. We would have discovered Pilate to avoid the jesus auto-lynch and possibly a Demon (if he was the first/second one to be unsealed I think). BorkBot decided to investigate some useless fucktard, and the other angel healed Dimwit without even reading the night thread. This is an example of what I'm talking about.

@Dimwit: sry I missed your post. There was nothing to fix. With pilate alive and sin-aligned (so basically unlynchable) there was literally no possibility to win. Unless Yayap was a demon, but he was already dead.

[TheWaaagh]

Nothing that happened in this game have to do with the decision, it just gave me further proof that I shouldn't play. I don't mind arguing if it's for the right things, but post like Borkbot's one makes me really sad to say the least.

You will see in the eternity night chat that Borkbot basically played like he wasn't in a team. I remember one phrase in particular thas was like "Hey guys these are my thoughts <wall of useless bullshit text> I will decide later who to investigate". He didn't even gave a fucking shit about our opinion. He didn't even ask what we think about it. No matter what I said, he was still going with his dumb target.

The other angel didn't even read the day threads NOR the night one. He wasted 2 nights worth of investigation. You'll have fun reading how I got mad in ... night 5 I think it was.

EDIT: fun fact: one night me and the last disciple (edited out the name, sry if you read it) wanted to investigate Fred and Zack. We would have discovered Pilate to avoid the jesus auto-lynch and possibly a Demon (if he was the first/second one to be unsealed I think). BorkBot decided to investigate some useless fucktard, and the other angel healed Dimwit without even reading the night thread. This is an example of what I'm talking about.

Dude, reading through Raiden's and yours FMVII is what made me want to play Forum Mafia. If you refuse to continue playing can you at least continue hosting? Don't break my heart on this.

[Illidan]

Dude, reading through Raiden's and yours FMVII is what made me want to play Forum Mafia. If you refuse to continue playing can you at least continue hosting? Don't break my heart on this.
The hosting is decided until FM 12 or something like that. I admit that hosting was really fun times but it took us a lot of time and effort and I don't think we're doing it again. We might change our mind but it's highly unlikely. I hope for you Elixir hosts one again soon, he's the best host so far.

[Nick]

Dude, reading through Raiden's and yours FMVII is what made me want to play Forum Mafia. If you refuse to continue playing can you at least continue hosting? Don't break my heart on this.

^^


EDIT: Should have posted before Illidan did...

[Capitalier]

i an hero

[Nick]

*clap clap*

Why suicide? I thought they have enough people to kill already? Eg. AFKers...

[TheWaaagh]

*clap clap*

Why suicide? I thought they have enough people to kill already? Eg. AFKers...

No one questions the Monarch.

[Nick]

My only interest now is to read the night chat.

The game has ended.

[Capitalier]

My only interest now is to read the night chat.

The game has ended.
MINE IS 2 READ DEAD CHAT

[Ubernox]

What a shitty game. And it could have been good too, if it wasn't for those faggot angels and the idiocy of Tiberius. BorkBot, you and the other angel lost the game, not only for eternity, but for every humanity role in dead chat, too. The moment you let Tiberius die, your fates were sealed. And don't say I didn't warn you:


Yeah, you're probably right there Illidan. Also, Angels should be focussing on finding Tiberius so they can heal him and stop the romans from turning to sin.


Emperor Tiberius Caesar Augustus must be kept alive at all costs, by both Eternity, Humanity and the Romans. It is likely that Sin will only try to kill him at night, so it would be best if the angels kept him healed once they found him.


Dimwit played way better than you, Bork.

[Nick]

RP mode on!

You made us died for nothing...

The vengeful dead will haunt you for Eternity!

Hmm... the second phrase seemed more fitting for Sin...

[Illidan]

Blame the rabbi too. I'm glad I didn't let RandomNumbers play in FMVII, assuming it's him.

[BorkBot]

EDIT: fun fact: one night me and the last disciple (edited out the name, sry if you read it) wanted to investigate Fred and Zack. We would have discovered Pilate to avoid the jesus auto-lynch and possibly a Demon (if he was the first/second one to be unsealed I think). BorkBot decided to investigate some useless fucktard, and the other angel healed Dimwit without even reading the night thread. This is an example of what I'm talking about.


We would have found Pilate, yes, but what good would that have done? Just because he's found doesn't mean an auto lynch would in any way be avoided. There was no reason for Humanity to lynch him, only for us. And he revealed himself the same day anyway. If I'd investigated Zack we would've found a sinner, because he was unsealed that same night (order of actions was the same as SC2 Mafia unless otherwise noted and so investigations came before recruitment). It wouldn't have given us any better information than the information I got us.

"Q: What is the order of operations (night actions)?

A: Exactly the same as in StarCraft II Mafia; most actions happen simultaneously or before/after other actions as necessary to have an impact on the game. You can ask specific order of operations questions if you really need to."

You were right that Zack was a sinner and I was wrong to think that he was a humanity PR at that point, but we could've pushed Zack for his role if the Thief had actually given his info rather than leaving us to our own devices. You wanted to recruit Vornskr or MileS because you thought they were humanity PRs, but it turns out they were both demons (though MileS could still be just a sinner). There were a lot more things for both of us which we were wrong about and it's false that I just did whatever the heck I wanted.

First night I checked on Claw because I was in agreement with McPwnage and wanted to know what he was up to
Second night I checked Lunavium based on the "whore" stealth claim from day 1 (I wasn't the only one who picked up on that as the roles predictions list indicates), which ended up being a false lead. I disagreed with checking Dimwit at the time because I didn't want all high profile people on Eternity because of high mortality risk. The other angel did go for him though.
Third night I healed McPwnage because he asked me to, to be safe after his loud Eternity support which was very similar to the behaviour that led to TheWaaagh's death. Illidan didn't want it and ended up being right, but it wasn't some random action without thought or without consensus.
Fourth and fifth night the aim was to find sinners, and bearing the suspects list of our Thief in mind, I hit one on both nights. I didn't do what Illidan told me to do, but I got the results we were looking for.
Sixth night I made a bad call and healed Nanosystem (who got attacked one night later), which was an action Illidan supported. You will see that when you read the night chat.

This was the only grave error I made and it's rather frustrating that it ended up costing us the game. As I've already said, I do take responsibility for it and I'm sorry you all lost, but it doesn't mean I played like crap the whole game like Illidan is trying to make you believe. To me it seems he's just angry because the newbie didn't do exactly as he said, which I find arrogant.


Dimwit played way better than you, Bork.
I already admitted that he played better, but not way better if you look at it from Eternity's perspective. Had he laid low when he found Ambient and discussed it with us at night first, we could have planned more and had an additional night to recruit someone. We also could've let McPwnage or Illidan come forward with the info and keep Dimwit's role hidden. They were more or less expendable, but Dimwit wasn't. We wouldn't have been so tempted to keep him healed constantly because his role was so valuable to us. All in all we wasted 3 night actions to heal Dimwit.

[Nick]

It is meaningless to find Tiberius or Pilate. I never understood why Eternity and Humanity want them dead. You'll just make them side with Sin. It's not like you can lynch Tiberius. And Assassin kills on him is a waste.

[Illidan]

I never said you played like crap.

I said you don't give a shit about teamwork, and that's a fact you can't deny.
I also said Dimwit didn't play slightly better than you, but a FUCKING TON better. He did the right thing at the right time. If Auckmid wasn't retarded we would have won.
Pilate revealed because Auckmid played dumb, otherwise he wasn't going to, and if he happened to side with sin we could lynch him with some fake demon intel or some shit like that.

I'm guilty of not insisting about healing Auckmid, I already said that. Was it going to change anything with your shitty attitude? No, like it didn't the nights before. But don't tell me I didn't warn you.

Your play was maybe average if you weren't in a team, because you played like you wasn't. Dimwit play was really good considering it was his first FM. He stayed alive until it was necessary, had luck with the nights actions and communicated them to the town. It's hard to do better than that.

[BorkBot]

I also said Dimwit didn't play slightly better than you, but a FUCKING TON better.

I was replying to Ubernox there, not to you.


Pilate revealed because Auckmid played dumb, otherwise he wasn't going to, and if he happened to side with sin we could lynch him with some fake demon intel or some shit like that.
Wouldn't work. All that would accomplish would be Legionnaires role claiming and calling BS, no lynch and Rome siding with Sin spending their time executing us in their jail cell.

I might have listened to reason if you had come with good arguments or I might not have, I can't tell what would have happened. The small argument we had the night before about investigation targets your only argument was "I am certain that Vornskr and MileS are humanity PR because they voted independently and sided with us when it came to actual lynches and they take a clear anti sin stance in their posts" which was inconclusive and unconvincing. It turns out that at least 5 sinners out of which 3 or 4 were demons (Vornskr, Philie, Zack, MileS and Ash) behaved exactly according to your expectations of a Humanity PR. And for a long time, Philie and Zack really had me convinced as well. They were good at keeping up the facade..

Dimwit did do well, I agree. As a humanity player. But as an Eternity player, he made a couple of mistakes too. Most importantly as I already said, he didn't have to communicate his finds to the town when he knew he was on a team and there were people better suited for doing the job. I guess we are in part to blame as well for that though, like our Thief said. We should've made a protocol for Dimwit to share his finds in code.

Thank you for clarifying that you don't fully dismiss my play as worthless, I appreciate it.

[Illidan]

but it doesn't mean I played like crap the whole game like Illidan is trying to make you believe.
I was replying to that.

[BorkBot]

I know. I made that statement because that's what I felt you were doing in previous posts, but I see now that it wasn't your intention.

I can understand that I was annoying to you in night chat, because you didn't have any powers yourself and the only way you had to influence the game was by making suggestions and I didn't really follow up on any of them. If I'd been in your shoes, I would probably be a bit pissed as well. But I assure you that the reason I didn't do as you asked me to do was because I didn't agree with your reasoning and not because I wanted to play solo. I acted on the reasoning of McPwnage and the Thief on several occasions. The other angel didn't have much input, but I think he just didn't have the time and patience to keep up with everything. He tried to participate though and didn't AFK, ragequit or end any night without actions like that hamslyx fellow, so I don't want to discredit him.

[Dimwit]

Where's the love at, ya'll?

Also, has anyone figured out which Angel voted to lynch me?

[Yayap]

Also, has anyone figured out which Angel voted to lynch me?


Ash?
CmG
FalseTruth
Fragos
fred
Ganondorf?
Kromos
Lunavium
MileS
MrSmarter
oops_ur_dead
Perotto
philie
Rumpel1408
Zack

[Dimwit]

Ash?
CmG
FalseTruth
Fragos
fred
Ganondorf?
Kromos
Lunavium
MileS
MrSmarter
oops_ur_dead
Perotto
philie
Rumpel1408
Zack

We'll find out, won't we?

[Dimwit]

Oh shit, did I already miss the train for the next FM? Damnit....

[wolfcheese]

Wait what? Where were the signups? :sad:

[TheWaaagh]

Wait what? Where were the signups? :sad:

Wondering the same thing.

[Ubernox]

waaaaat? I think he's talking about the thing that Luna started up.

[wolfcheese]

Oh, phew. Makes sense. I was worried for a second.

In that case ya, that train is long gone.

[Dimwit]

Oh, phew. Makes sense. I was worried for a second.

In that case ya, that train is long gone.

Is that not "the next FM"? Is that something entirely separate? Or are those of us not signed up going to be denied FM goodness until it is over?

[Zane]

It's separate. But M-FM is only for pro players.

[TheWaaagh]

Is that not "the next FM"? Is that something entirely separate? Or are those of us not signed up going to be denied FM goodness until it is over?

Nah, that's a "Mini" FM, like it's only 14 people instead of the 40+. It's already on like Day 3 right now. The next FM is being hosted by FalseTruth (the M-FM is hosted by Luna). There's a discussion thread up somewhere about his ideas for what FMVIII is going to incorporate if you're interested.

[Dimwit]

Nah, that's a "Mini" FM, like it's only 14 people instead of the 40+. It's already on like Day 3 right now. The next FM is being hosted by FalseTruth (the M-FM is hosted by Luna). There's a discussion thread up somewhere about his ideas for what FMVIII is going to incorporate if you're interested.

Yeah, I saw it. I didn't realize he was the next host. I haven't really looked around much during this FM. Cool.

Thanks for the info.

[Dimwit]

Is this game going to end?

[Nick]

Is this game going to end?

Judgement Day

[Ubernox]

Sure is quiet around here...

[Nick]

The dead do not speak...

[Dust]

The game is deader than us in dead chat....

DR do we need to pry you from your studying to finish this game up so that FT can get his game going?

[Ubernox]

It's finals week. THe best thing we can give him is a stress toy and a back massage.

[Rumpel1408]

Im totaly not dead...

[BorkBot]

Sin probably gave DR a list of kill targets to speed things up. Sorry that siding with us caused you to lose :(

[NorthStar]

I still love you Dimwit, you played really well for a first time. You're better then me obviously. My fault for not healing Auckmid, I played WIFOM and decided that Sin would automaticly think we were going to heal Auckmid, but I guess they attacked him anyways.

[Ambient]

I still love you Dimwit, you played really well for a first time. You're better then me obviously. My fault for not healing Auckmid, I played WIFOM and decided that Sin would automaticly think we were going to heal Auckmid, but I guess they attacked him anyways.

I unsealed gluttony. It wouldn't of mattered

[CmG]

All hail Ambient gimme Blackjack! But not the hooker oops.... jikes