S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger

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S-FM 211 :
Three Foes and a Strangers
(Click Me for Setup) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35829-S-FM-Three-Foes-and-a-Stranger?p=584729&viewfull=1#post584729)

In the Absolute Serious Republic of Arizona were a small random town that none has heard of called Gunlurk.
Everyone were peaceful in Gunlurk, most were focused on playing silly games on their mobile phones.
Guns were banned in 2019 and so there were no criminal activity at all...
... That is until the fateful day of 2020 when a band of three gangsters came in town and started blazing bullets all over the towns people.
The police arrived to stop them only to be peppered down by the tommy guns.
Satisfied with the random killing spree, the three gangsters quickly disguised themselves as members of the town.
Will the special snowflakes of Gunlurk find and kill the three gangsters?
Luckily one of them captured a totally not taken from internet photo of the gangsters using their windows phone.
Now go find them, We guess.

http://www.starmometer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Gangster-Squad-3.jpg

WARNING : LYNCH ENABLED

Messages has been given to archons, not the main accounts.

Also, a friendly reminder on rules.


Rules :


No persistent lurking and inactivity, host decides if a player is acting too lurkish or if they're being too inactive.
No overly excessive fluff and non-serious material, some may work out but not too much. Day 1 may be forgiven.
No Out of Game communications (Skype, private message, other threads, omegle, et cetera)
No editing and deleting of posts.
Do not screenshot private messages.
Do not directly quote the host PM's.
Do not gamethrow, you are to play your win condition.
No personal attacks.
Videos are only allowed in spoilers. [Spoiler=Video]
Images are allowed as long they're not too big.
Write in english so players may understand you.
Follow the forum rules.
Do not threaten to break any of the rules.



Shortcuts :
- Day 1 (OP)
- Night 1 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37920-S-FM-211-Three-Foes-and-a-Stranger?p=640072&viewfull=1#post640072)
- Day 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37920-S-FM-211-Three-Foes-and-a-Stranger?p=640139&viewfull=1#post640139)
- Night 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37920-S-FM-211-Three-Foes-and-a-Stranger?p=640673&viewfull=1#post640673)
- Day 3 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37920-S-FM-211-Three-Foes-and-a-Stranger?p=640716&viewfull=1#post640716)
- Night 3 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37920-S-FM-211-Three-Foes-and-a-Stranger?p=640983&viewfull=1#post640983)
- Day 4 Victory (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37920-S-FM-211-Three-Foes-and-a-Stranger?p=641055&viewfull=1#post641055)


Graveyard :
- Random Policerinos (RP)



Alive Players :
@JealousTL (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28650)
@Drizzt (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=27970)
@Eggy (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28401)
@Gyrlander (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=11750)
@Mesk514 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28193)
@Quick (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=27344)
@SecondLynch (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28749)
@Snorlax (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28748)
@Stereo (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=27200)
@Unknown1234 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28243)
@Yukitaka Oni (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=15734)
@deathworlds (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=9527)
@MattZed (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28742)



Happy Reserves :
MattZed :love:

02:03:33:00

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[Yukitaka Oni]

b)o.o)^ first!

[Snorlax]

Last.

Anyway, I'll start off with an opening message to the new players and smurfs in the game.

1. Don't be afraid to post your opinions on the game. Even if you're unsure of something, saying as much or trying to talk through your thought process is a lot better than not posting. (it helps the town get a read on you)

2. If you think someone is scummy or made an odd post, you should 100% be questioning them about it.

3. Remember that most of the players you'll be talking to are town. Don't immediately assume that just because someone is playing badly means that they are mafia. It's good to view what people are posting from a town/ mafia perspective to see which one makes the most sense. (think "why would X alignment post this? What are they saying and trying to achieve here? Could they have an agenda behind posting this? What's the context?")

4. Don't randomly role-claim just because someone is suspecting/ pressuring you. This just helps the scum narrow down what townies have what roles a lot more easily.

(in fact, best not to give out your role unless you are close to being lynched and people are asking you for it. And even then, be cautious about doing that)

5. To the Citizens, these points are especially applicable because citizens are there to take the hit for TPRs. The more players help the town, the easier it is to find the scum.

6. Feel free to give a read on what my alignment could be based off this post if you want somewhere to start off :)

7. And if you're confused on anything, feel free to ask us or the host any questions.

[SecondLynch]

hi~

[SecondLynch]

I'm a special snowflake too!

[Snorlax]

hi~

Hi!

SecondLynch

[SecondLynch]

Last.

Anyway, I'll start off with an opening message to the new players and smurfs in the game.

1. Don't be afraid to post your opinions on the game. Even if you're unsure of something, saying as much or trying to talk through your thought process is a lot better than not posting. (it helps the town get a read on you)

2. If you think someone is scummy or made an odd post, you should 100% be questioning them about it.

3. Remember that most of the players you'll be talking to are town. Don't immediately assume that just because someone is playing badly means that they are mafia. It's good to view what people are posting from a town/ mafia perspective to see which one makes the most sense. (think "why would X alignment post this? What are they saying and trying to achieve here? Could they have an agenda behind posting this? What's the context?")

4. Don't randomly role-claim just because someone is suspecting/ pressuring you. This just helps the scum narrow down what townies have what roles a lot more easily.

(in fact, best not to give out your role unless you are close to being lynched and people are asking you for it. And even then, be cautious about doing that)

5. To the Citizens, these points are especially applicable because citizens are there to take the hit for TPRs. The more players help the town, the easier it is to find the scum.

6. Feel free to give a read on what my alignment could be based off this post if you want somewhere to start off :)

7. And if you're confused on anything, feel free to ask us or the host any questions.

#Pocketing

deathworlds

APPA!

[Snorlax]

#Pocketing

deathworlds

APPA!

That's the only thing you had to say in response to a wall-post of mine?

Your pocketing attempt sucks. At least pretend that you read it next time.

[SecondLynch]

Hi!

SecondLynch

Calix, if you are still interested in my offer of meeting Mr. Rope on your birthday, just let me know. I can fix a date between you too.

[Mesk514]

Alright then, another game another chance for everyone to rip on my meta

[Snorlax]

Someone's a little defensive, eh Mesk?

[SecondLynch]

Sup Mesk.

[Snorlax]

Calix, if you are still interested in my offer of meeting Mr. Rope on your birthday, just let me know. I can fix a date between you too.

Holy shit, I didn't realise I had a choice. This is new.

[SecondLynch]

Hi!

SecondLynch

Hi Snorlax, didn't know you liked pokemon.

[Mesk514]

Jesus, too many accounts with names that ive never seen.

Uh... me? Defensive? Nah l not even. Just know there is always a price to pay. You wanna rip on me, fine. But this time I'm charging

[Snorlax]

Hi Snorlax, didn't know you liked pokemon.

I don't. I am taking the piss out of the Pokemon-themed smurf accounts.

Why are you only commenting on irrelevant things so far?


Jesus, too many accounts with names that ive never seen.

Uh... me? Defensive? Nah l not even. Just know there is always a price to pay. You wanna rip on me, fine. But this time I'm charging

You're arguing that "oh no, I'm going to get scum-read based on meta again" is not defensive? K.

I'd like to see this. Go on, do it.

[Mesk514]

Oh Jesus this is Calix.

Ugh, just read between the line -.-

I dont see how stating that I now demand to get paid when I'm ripped on is seen as being defensive.

[Mesk514]

Read between the lines**

[Snorlax]

Oh Jesus this is Calix.

Ugh, just read between the line -.-

I dont see how stating that I now demand to get paid when I'm ripped on is seen as being defensive.

Incisive as ever, I see.

You should vote for Second Lynch. Both players combined are being more useless than you. That's saying something :*

[Mesk514]

Ouuuuuh SHOTS FIRED
BANG BANG BANG

eh, can't complain about free shots, but i'll pass on placing a vote for now. Anyways, back to school.

[Yukitaka Oni]

The party is not full. Seem like i should be gone awhile as well

[Gyrlander]

Woooo!! This finally started :)

[Snorlax]

I can't wait for the flood of top-notch Gyrlander posts which I'm sure exist in abundance.

:laugh:

[Gyrlander]

I can't wait for the flood of top-notch Gyrlander posts which I'm sure exist in abundance.

:laugh:

I don't remember a Pokemon appart from Char Chat the Charmeleon signing up for this game.

[Snorlax]

I don't remember a Pokemon appart from Char Chat the Charmeleon signing up for this game.

Nah, I am a h-y-d-r-a. I'm the one-and-only Calix.

Now go do something alignment-indicative so that I don't have to consider policy-lynching you, kthx.

SecondLynch is also a h-y-d-r-a.

[Unknown1234]

:sheep:


I have really discovered my appreciation for sheep quite recently.

[Stereo]

Hi my name is Stereo. I am new. Let's lynch the scum.

[Snorlax]

Hi my name is Stereo. I am new. Let's lynch the scum.

You've figured out how to post. Good start.

Any thoughts on how you are going to do that? Or if any of the scum you want to lynch have posted yet?
Stereo

[Unknown1234]

Hi my name is Stereo. I am new. Let's lynch the scum.

1.) States Intention. Check.

2.) Completes Intention. Not Yet.

You are 50% done reaching your goal, good job!!


:sheep:

[Stereo]

Any thoughts on how you are going to do that? Or if any of the scum you want to lynch have posted yet?
How am I going to do it? I have power in the vote, as all of us do.

At the moment, there's really nothing of substance. Second and you are the only people who have really done anything that can be read, but at the moment I don't see anything there. You are probing Mesk at the moment.

There may be a Day 1 Lynch, but I don't think Day 1 is an appropriate time for us to be lynching.

[Unknown1234]

How am I going to do it? I have power in the vote, as all of us do.

At the moment, there's really nothing of substance. Second and you are the only people who have really done anything that can be read, but at the moment I don't see anything there. You are probing Mesk at the moment.

There may be a Day 1 Lynch, but I don't think Day 1 is an appropriate time for us to be lynching.

What makes you say that Day 1 is a bad lynching time for town?

[Snorlax]

How am I going to do it? I have power in the vote, as all of us do.

At the moment, there's really nothing of substance. Second and you are the only people who have really done anything that can be read, but at the moment I don't see anything there. You are probing Mesk at the moment.

There may be a Day 1 Lynch, but I don't think Day 1 is an appropriate time for us to be lynching.

You can try to participate in Random Voting Stage (where you vote for someone for flimsy/ trolly reasoning to try and start discussion) if you want to put your money where your mouth is.

Why don't you think a Day 1 Lynch is appropriate?

Should probably note that FM games don't have a lot of TPRs and things like a Sheriff revealing a Mafia are rare compared to the mod :)

[Stereo]

What makes you say that Day 1 is a bad lynching time for town?

Statistically speaking, it usually does not end well for us. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36913-Day-1-Lynch-Policy-Analysed?highlight=lynch)

[Stereo]

And by end well I mean, killing a townie. All life is precious.

[Unknown1234]

Statistically speaking, it usually does not end well for us. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36913-Day-1-Lynch-Policy-Analysed?highlight=lynch)

Well, I can understand where you're going with that, but I do not agree.

1.) If you think someone is scum, lynching them narrows the pool of players who are less suspicious opposed to the more suspicious.

2.) Lynching means we have a chance to lynch a scum. If you don't lynch you don't have that chance.

3.) We (usually) get something to work with after such lynch. There could be two suspects and we don't know who to lynch, or we get a scum and catch connections.

Overall, Lynching is much more beneficial for me.

[Snorlax]

Most setups are designed on the assumption that the town mislynches on Day 1. While mislynching is bad in the sense that the town is down a member, we shouldn't settle for a No Lynch because it means that we cannot adequately pressure the scum into revealing information/ slipping.

As it stands, I'm thinking Mesk, Stereo, Unknown are town and Second Lynch is scummy. Not a bad start even if it's slow.

[Gyrlander]

Nah, I am a h-y-d-r-a. I'm the one-and-only Calix.

Now go do something alignment-indicative so that I don't have to consider policy-lynching you, kthx.

SecondLynch is also a h-y-d-r-a.

Do you like spelling *****? Does it feel reconfortating fighting against the rules made by Crypt or what?

[Gyrlander]

EXCUSE ME. ***** IS CORRECTED?

[Snorlax]

Gyrlander, when I asked you to do something alignment-indicative, I didn't mean "shitpost like you're in M-FM Overwatch as scum"

[Gyrlander]

Gyrlander, when I asked you to do something alignment-indicative, I didn't mean "shitpost like you're in M-FM Overwatch as scum"

We still haven't gone through page 1 and you already want me to do something productive? Damn.

Mesk514

Always wanted to do this.

[Snorlax]

We still haven't gone through page 1 and you already want me to do something productive? Damn.

Mesk514

Always wanted to do this.

Correct. Sorting players is going to be difficult enough; I have no patience for you fucking around.

Love ya and all but I'd rather get a read on your slot ASAP so get cracking.

Do you have an opinion on anything Mesk has said so far?

[Gyrlander]

Correct. Sorting players is going to be difficult enough; I have no patience for you fucking around.

Love ya and all but I'd rather get a read on your slot ASAP so get cracking.

Do you have an opinion on anything Mesk has said so far?

Nah. I just did a random vote. We're still at that stage... right?

[Snorlax]

Nah. I just did a random vote. We're still at that stage... right?

Technically.

I'll amend my question. Do you have an opinion on anything relevant to the game?

You are allowed to be wrong.

[Stereo]

1.) If you think someone is scum, lynching them narrows the pool of players who are less suspicious opposed to the more suspicious.
We have power roles for a reason, like Sheriff and Investigator. While we shouldn't have to crutch on them, its still only Day 1.


2.) Lynching means we have a chance to lynch a scum. If you don't lynch you don't have that chance.
There's like a 1/3 chance of us getting a scumbag. I don't like those numbers, especially for Day 1 with power roles included in the town. If its a townie, we have given the Mafia or (potentially and, depending on which neutral we got) the Neutral 1 less person to kill.


3.) We (usually) get something to work with after such lynch. There could be two suspects and we don't know who to lynch, or we get a scum and catch connections.
That's great, and I can see the logic, but its still Day 1. We're still waiting on how many people to even post? Things aren't in full swing yet. (Unless this is about what I'm supposed to expect from a Day 1.)

That's just how I feel in regards to the Day 1 lynch.

[Snorlax]

We have power roles for a reason, like Sheriff and Investigator. While we shouldn't have to crutch on them, its still only Day 1.

A. Relying on TPRs in FM games is almost-always going to end poorly. Night actions don't win games. Being proactive in the chat does.

While I disagree with the premise of your posts, you have the right mindset when you are defending your viewpoint and explaining where you are coming from. Good attitude to have to find players who are acting suspiciously in the chat.

tl;dr: Forget TPRs. Pretend that they don't exist and that the chat is the ONLY thing you have to find scum. You'll be ten times more effective at finding and lynching scum. Even better, the TPRs get more information to inform their night actions with.

It's a win-win.

Even if you don't want to lynch, it's still best to act like you do so that anyone you pressure will respond accordingly.

[Stereo]

A. Relying on TPRs in FM games is almost-always going to end poorly. Night actions don't win games. Being proactive in the chat does.
This is my first Mafia game on a forum, it doesn't strike me well that we're supposed to ignore(?) our power roles. They exist for a reason, and they are tools for us. I definitely see what you're saying, but I am not saying we don't act until a power role gives us something of substance.


It's a win-win.
Its day 1 and not everyone has posted. We're not winning yet.


Even if you don't want to lynch, it's still best to act like you do so that anyone you pressure will respond accordingly.
I'll vote to pressure, sure, but I won't let myself be included in a lynch on the first day.

[Unknown1234]

This is my first Mafia game on a forum, it doesn't strike me well that we're supposed to ignore(?) our power roles. They exist for a reason, and they are tools for us. I definitely see what you're saying, but I am not saying we don't act until a power role gives us something of substance.


Its day 1 and not everyone has posted. We're not winning yet.


I'll vote to pressure, sure, but I won't let myself be included in a lynch on the first day.

You seem to be too reliant, but let's look at this in another approach.

You don't know what TPR we have, therefore you cannot know if they will be of value or not. Not to mention that anything could go wrong, (check someone who dies, die, get no result,) which is suggesting we have a role it's possible we do not.

Secondly, people are in different timezones and could be busy at this moment. Don't expect it to be super active immediately.

I don't see a reason why you should be super close-minded about lynching today. If you find somebody scummy that you could lynch over checking them, why wouldn't you?

[Snorlax]

This is my first Mafia game on a forum, it doesn't strike me well that we're supposed to ignore(?) our power roles. They exist for a reason, and they are tools for us. I definitely see what you're saying, but I am not saying we don't act until a power role gives us something of substance.


Its day 1 and not everyone has posted. We're not winning yet.


I'll vote to pressure, sure, but I won't let myself be included in a lynch on the first day.

Obviously if a TPR has a damning night result, then we should use that. I am saying that we should not sit around and wait for one to happen, but if you agree on that point then I am satisfied.

(although if a Sheriff finds a Mafia on Night 1, they shouldn't reveal it first thing on Day 2. Trying to get the mafia lynched without revealing > revealing straight away because that yields more information about who defends the mafia. It also means the mafia are less likely to catch onto the person being Sheriff and thus cannot counter the Sheriff with their Framer/ Consort/ whatever as easily)

Site is slow activity-wise. School has just started and a lot of the players here are low-posters. (which is why you have to work to analyse what they do post) I am most likely going to be the most active player in the game.

One problem there - saying you only vote for pressure nullifies the pressure that you can apply with your vote ;p

[Stereo]

One problem there - saying you only vote for pressure nullifies the pressure that you can apply with your vote ;p

Well... dangers. That only would have been for today anyway. Day 2 is free game for me.

[Snorlax]

If that's your stance, then fair enough. I'll just drop a scum case that's so convincing that you'll consider it better than an alignment check, so no problem.

I think you're town and this discussion has served its purpose in my opinion, so I'm going to drop it unless you want to ask me anything.

If I were you, I'd check in from time to time to see if any of the other players appear and question them while they're around.

It's getting late my time.

[Stereo]

I think you're town and this discussion has served its purpose in my opinion, so I'm going to drop it unless you want to ask me anything.

If I were you, I'd check in from time to time to see if any of the other players appear and question them while they're around.

It's getting late my time.

I've still got many hours left in my day, so it won't be too out of the way for me. I'm not getting bad guy vibes from you, so I'd say our discussion has been enlightening.

[Gyrlander]

It's getting late my time.

It's only 22:00 there, come on.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Day 1 always suck :V

[Yukitaka Oni]

Obviously if a TPR has a damning night result, then we should use that. I am saying that we should not sit around and wait for one to happen, but if you agree on that point then I am satisfied.

(although if a Sheriff finds a Mafia on Night 1, they shouldn't reveal it first thing on Day 2. Trying to get the mafia lynched without revealing > revealing straight away because that yields more information about who defends the mafia. It also means the mafia are less likely to catch onto the person being Sheriff and thus cannot counter the Sheriff with their Framer/ Consort/ whatever as easily)

Site is slow activity-wise. School has just started and a lot of the players here are low-posters. (which is why you have to work to analyse what they do post) I am most likely going to be the most active player in the game.

One problem there - saying you only vote for pressure nullifies the pressure that you can apply with your vote ;p
I skipped school today
Yolo Swag #420 Blaze it

[Stereo]

You seem to be too reliant, but let's look at this in another approach.
Missed your post, but I saw it now.


You don't know what TPR we have, therefore you cannot know if they will be of value or not. Not to mention that anything could go wrong, (check someone who dies, die, get no result,) which is suggesting we have a role it's possible we do not.
No, I don't know. But anyone who is town aligned is valuable solely for that fact. I will not discount the fact that we may or may not have certain roles, but at the moment I will remain content. Day 2 is what I am waiting for at the moment. There will be much more to work with then, more concrete information.


Secondly, people are in different timezones and could be busy at this moment. Don't expect it to be super active immediately.
Genuinely overlooked this, will keep this in mind for the future.


I don't see a reason why you should be super close-minded about lynching today. If you find somebody scummy that you could lynch over checking them, why wouldn't you?
Scummy, but not scum for sure? That's reason enough for me to not vote them. I've seen it far too many times where we lynched someone we thought for sure was scum, but turned out to be town. I am not discounting lynching in the future, but for today I will not be an accomplice to it. You guys go nuts.

Out of curiosity, why do you care that I will not vote to lynch today?

[deathworlds]

#Pocketing

deathworlds

APPA!

kappa

[deathworlds]

Missed your post, but I saw it now.


No, I don't know. But anyone who is town aligned is valuable solely for that fact. I will not discount the fact that we may or may not have certain roles, but at the moment I will remain content. Day 2 is what I am waiting for at the moment. There will be much more to work with then, more concrete information.


Genuinely overlooked this, will keep this in mind for the future.


Scummy, but not scum for sure? That's reason enough for me to not vote them. I've seen it far too many times where we lynched someone we thought for sure was scum, but turned out to be town. I am not discounting lynching in the future, but for today I will not be an accomplice to it. You guys go nuts.

Out of curiosity, why do you care that I will not vote to lynch today?

Stereo is a town read, in my newb days I would not lynch day 1 as town.

[Stereo]

Splitting for a bit, will be back later.

[deathworlds]

Who are the *****'s composed of?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Calix would be scumhunt right now......

[deathworlds]

Calix would be scumhunt right now......

Everyone should be scumhunting all the time

eggy

[Yukitaka Oni]

Everyone should be scumhunting all the time

eggy
I think I'll pass. I never good at offensive

[Quick]

I'll vote to pressure, sure, but I won't let myself be included in a lynch on the first day.

Voting for pressure without threat of lynch does what exactly?


I skipped school today
Yolo Swag #420 Blaze it

MLG 360 no scope
GjGj no re


Stereo is a town read, in my newb days I would not lynch day 1 as town.

You're town reading them for saying something that makes no sense? I don't get it. Everyone plays different. How do you know he has a similar perspective as you as newb Town?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Voting for pressure without threat of lynch does what exactly?



MLG 360 no scope
GjGj no re



You're town reading them for saying something that makes no sense? I don't get it. Everyone plays different. How do you know he has a similar perspective as you as newb Town?
Especially when this is the first time Stereo play on forum.

[deathworlds]

We have power roles for a reason, like Sheriff and Investigator. While we shouldn't have to crutch on them, its still only Day 1.


There's like a 1/3 chance of us getting a scumbag. I don't like those numbers, especially for Day 1 with power roles included in the town. If its a townie, we have given the Mafia or (potentially and, depending on which neutral we got) the Neutral 1 less person to kill.


That's great, and I can see the logic, but its still Day 1. We're still waiting on how many people to even post? Things aren't in full swing yet. (Unless this is about what I'm supposed to expect from a Day 1.)

That's just how I feel in regards to the Day 1 lynch.


This is my first Mafia game on a forum, it doesn't strike me well that we're supposed to ignore(?) our power roles. They exist for a reason, and they are tools for us. I definitely see what you're saying, but I am not saying we don't act until a power role gives us something of substance.


Its day 1 and not everyone has posted. We're not winning yet.


I'll vote to pressure, sure, but I won't let myself be included in a lynch on the first day.

The reasoning behind this mindset is a recent transition from sc2mafia to forum mafia. Statistically speaking, he is correct in how we should not have a lynch day 1, as it will most likely reduce the town's numbers, giving the mafia and neutral scum, the advantage.
However, if we go deeper, we will find that while the odds of hitting a scum on day 1 are low, it will give us a great advantage, especially if we hit a serial killer (if he exists). I will not lynch or pressure Stereo today because I know exactly where his behavior is originating from and I can relate to it, as I was town in most of my newb games.

[Quick]

Especially when this is the first time Stereo play on forum.

Yeah, I'm just going to reserve my judgement on stereo until there is more to go on.

Party can start now that I'm here tho.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdJicpjitMM

[deathworlds]

Yeah, I'm just going to reserve my judgement on stereo until there is more to go on.

Party can start now that I'm here tho.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdJicpjitMM

Read rules boi, video goes in spoiler

[Quick]

Read rules boi, video goes in spoiler

I am a boi, yes.

Sorry RLVG, this is the only site I know of that has special rules only sometimes for videos.

But, yeah, lynching day 1 is a good thing for a couple reasons:

Wagonamics - VCA (vote count analysis) can be used for later days (only works with lynches)
Based on stances in combination with a flip can help town solve the game.

[SecondLynch]

Yoyoyo! I'm here, the game can start.

Let's start from the start.

The Calix's opener was a hard "I am this town's leader" claim. It is shown by this:
And if you're confused on anything, feel free to ask us or the host any questions. "Ask me questions, I am the town leader."

What does this say about the Calix's alignment?
1) She rolled town. She encourages the new players to collaborate so she can read 'em correctly so she can carry the game home.
2) She rolled Neutral.
2a) Survivor. It doesn't make sense for her to proclaim herself town leader as Survivor, she's drawing Kim Kardashian attention to her by doing so, survivors should want to lie low.
2b) Jester. Yes, she attracts everyone's attention (which is what le jester would want), but the tone of her post don't feel like a jester's, and there are much more efficient ways of appearing scummy to be lynched. I seriously doubt it's this scenario, but then again, WIFOM.
2c) Executioner. She claims town leader so that her reads are to be sheeped, and, thus, she can get her target lynched. Possible.
2d) Serial Killer. Claiming town leader allows her to control the flow of the thread, lets her play the town game by still wanting to eliminate the mafia, and looks town. This is a really ballsy move to do, as she would need to be absolutely confident in her ability to pocket the majority of the thread for her to stay town leader, and given that she knows that I'll be reading every single one of her words with the attention of a jailkeeper watching the inmates, I doubt this is the right scenario.
2e)Witch. Yeah, no. It makes her more of a night target than she already is (Definition of Calix by the Urban Dictionary: One who is nightkilled on Night 1.). She would need to appear town leader so she can find the scum and hope that she can control their nightkill to kill whoever she wants. Ballsy. Bad. No.
3) She rolled scum. She wants the new players to trust her and to collaborate with her so that she can control the flow of the thread and protect her teammates. Probable.

1 is the most likely in my book.



Next, she finds me scummy for posting random stuff. What a shocker it is for NeverUnlucky the Troll to post random shit day 1.



Mesk’s opener makes me think she’s town. She basically claimed that she was town, and last time she was scum, she didn’t do the « I AM MESK, I AM ALWAYS TOWN » shit before day 2 iirc.

Gyrlander & Yuki’s openers were NAI.

Now, Unknown…

:sheep:


I have really discovered my appreciation for sheep quite recently.
I’m not sure why he made that post this way…
If he’s saying that he will be sheeping this game, then his post is dumb at best and scummy at worst.
If he meant something else, he was just ASKING to be misinterpreted.


Hi my name is Stereo. I am new. Let's lynch the scum.

I like this opener. Simple and direct.


Stereo.
I love this dude’s post. He’s being honest in his posts, not afraid to give his thoughts on the D1 lynch (Though I too advocate for D1 lynches), and he has a town tone. Plus he’s new, so I do not think he is being deceptive with this and fooling me. Town-read, town-read, town-read.


Statistically speaking, it usually does not end well for us. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36913-Day-1-Lynch-Policy-Analysed?highlight=lynch)
Fuck, why wasn’t he in Give or Take?

Also, I disliked Unknown’s interactions with him. Again, he was asking purely rhetorical questions, and it gives me the feeling of Déjà vu.

[SecondLynch]

Who are the *****'s composed of?

Secondpassing + NeverUnlucky = SecondLynch. +4 rep if you get the joke.

Iced+Calix=Snorlax.


Stereo is a town read, in my newb days I would not lynch day 1 as town.

Same here.

DW, what do you make of Unknown's opening?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yeah, I'm just going to reserve my judgement on stereo until there is more to go on.

Party can start now that I'm here tho.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdJicpjitMM

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/422/637/df1.jpg

[SecondLynch]

I think I'll pass. I never good at offensive

Oh, you wish. Calix and I are in the game, neither you nor Gyrlander are living past D2 if you don't try.

You're not good at it because you've never tried it.

[Quick]

Are H-y-d-r-a-s going to sign, or am I going to be left guessing?

[SecondLynch]

Voting for pressure without threat of lynch does what exactly?

Calix has already called him out for this, he has already answered.


MLG 360 no scope
GjGj no re



You're town reading them for saying something that makes no sense? I don't get it. Everyone plays different. How do you know he has a similar perspective as you as newb Town?

It makes sense from a mod player's POV. I understand where Stereo is coming from, I assume DW too.

I have a slight-scum-read of you. You're asking a rhetorical question and an irrelevant question, scumtell. You're giving me the exact same feeling as MiniZed and DB gave me in GoT and BFN.

Quick

Any comments you want to make on my wall post?

[deathworlds]

:sheep:


I have really discovered my appreciation for sheep quite recently.

Fluff at a first glance, but it could be potential crumbing/foreshadowing.


1.) States Intention. Check.

2.) Completes Intention. Not Yet.

You are 50% done reaching your goal, good job!!


:sheep:

Complete fluff


What makes you say that Day 1 is a bad lynching time for town?

Is questioning the motive behind not lynching day 1, perfectly normal.


Well, I can understand where you're going with that, but I do not agree.

1.) If you think someone is scum, lynching them narrows the pool of players who are less suspicious opposed to the more suspicious.

2.) Lynching means we have a chance to lynch a scum. If you don't lynch you don't have that chance.

3.) We (usually) get something to work with after such lynch. There could be two suspects and we don't know who to lynch, or we get a scum and catch connections.

Overall, Lynching is much more beneficial for me.

attempting to argue with newb logic. Trying to correct newb behavior, normal.


You seem to be too reliant, but let's look at this in another approach.

You don't know what TPR we have, therefore you cannot know if they will be of value or not. Not to mention that anything could go wrong, (check someone who dies, die, get no result,) which is suggesting we have a role it's possible we do not.

Secondly, people are in different timezones and could be busy at this moment. Don't expect it to be super active immediately.

I don't see a reason why you should be super close-minded about lynching today. If you find somebody scummy that you could lynch over checking them, why wouldn't you?

Once again, questioning newb logic.


So far unknown has little to contribute, that being said it is really early in game.


I don't feel strong either way about his opener, but I'll be keeping an eye on him.

[SecondLynch]

Are H-y-d-r-a-s going to sign, or am I going to be left guessing?

If Snorlax doesn't always start his sentences with a capital letter, it's Iced.
If he picks on me, uses "retard, moron" or any other 'aggressive' term, asks plenty of questions, sounds cute, then it's Calix. She'll probably post 90% of Snorlax's posts anyways.

If SecondLynch types in turqoise and/or is kawaii, it's SP.
If you think that the one typing the post has drunk 2 liters of Monster before posting, it's me, NU.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Oh, you wish. Calix and I are in the game, neither you nor Gyrlander are living past D2 if you don't try.

You're not good at it because you've never tried it.
Tried it 2 times
1 time Big Mama :toad: found me a scum FBI
1 time I killed Calix and being spotted by Calix's ghost (Koopalitic)
3rd times? I think I'll pass

[SecondLynch]

PSA: Day ends on a Wednesday, aka the one day I start school at 8 AM and end at 6 PM. I will be posting minimally during the few breaks I have.

PSA2: Any survivor claim is getting insta-lynched. It's one of the three go-to scum claims in the game alongside with doc and cit. I'm not taking any chances. Too bad if you were really surv. #TipsForJester

DW, that last post of yours essentially mirrors my thoughts. What's your take on me and Quick?

Everyone: Do you agree with insta-lynching survivor claims?

[SecondLynch]

Tried it 2 times
1 time Big Mama :toad: found me a scum FBI
1 time I killed Calix and being spotted by Calix's ghost (Koopalitic)
3rd times? I think I'll pass

So... you won't try because when you tried you were scum and you got caught? WTF is that logic?

Did you just claim scum this game too? (Rhetorical question, obviously)

[Yukitaka Oni]

PSA: Day ends on a Wednesday, aka the one day I start school at 8 AM and end at 6 PM. I will be posting minimally during the few breaks I have.

PSA2: Any survivor claim is getting insta-lynched. It's one of the three go-to scum claims in the game alongside with doc and cit. I'm not taking any chances. Too bad if you were really surv. #TipsForJester

DW, that last post of yours essentially mirrors my thoughts. What's your take on me and Quick?

Everyone: Do you agree with insta-lynching survivor claims?
My opinion: 75-25 agree-disagree
Reason: care Jester

[Yukitaka Oni]

So... you won't try because when you tried you were scum and you got caught? WTF is that logic?

Did you just claim scum this game too? (Rhetorical question, obviously)

Eh...Nyet (no) my role is the same again (some people in here know what I mean)

[deathworlds]

DW, that last post of yours essentially mirrors my thoughts. What's your take on me and Quick?

As individuals or as an argument?

Everyone: Do you agree with insta-lynching survivor claims?

lynch if day would otherwise end in no-lynch

^^

[deathworlds]

So... you won't try because when you tried you were scum and you got caught? WTF is that logic?

Did you just claim scum this game too? (Rhetorical question, obviously)

Logic and Yuki do not mix.

[Quick]

Calix has already called him out for this, he has already answered.

Right but I followed that up with reasons why lynching day 1 is good that haven't been said yet.


It makes sense from a mod player's POV. I understand where Stereo is coming from, I assume DW too.

Well, I have never once played the mod and have only ever player forum mafia and f2f mafia like 10+ years ago so I don't have any idea on the meta of the mod.


I have a slight-scum-read of you. You're asking a rhetorical question and an irrelevant question, scumtell. You're giving me the exact same feeling as MiniZed and DB gave me in GoT and BFN.

Quick

Any comments you want to make on my wall post?

You have a scum read on me, that's nice. Believe it or not I am not actually MiniZed or DB.

You're wall can be summed up to "Calix can really be any alignment at this point, but I think they are Town because the said they were going to be a leader this game." You left out where Calix could just be saying she is a leader to make herself look Town.. Not really a tricky play at all. Don't get why you are making stances so soon in the game. Unless your RVS reads are really good, your reads are prolly junk.

Basically, I think you are saying a lot of words in that wall post but not saying much. Don't expect me to play like you in this regard, I often just keep what I am saying to a few things of concern.

I think its more townie than Scummy for you to make that wall post, but ultimately Effort=/=alignment

[Yukitaka Oni]

Logic and Yuki do not mix.
Logic hate Yuki. That's why v)x.o)> v(o.o(v

[SecondLynch]

My opinion: 75-25 agree-disagree
Reason: care Jester

That's exactly what scum want you to think. "I claimed survivor, so WIFOMing jester, town won't lynch me." That's why they need to be insta-lynched.

Moreover, in this setup, sheriff can detect if his target is a neutral. If we do have a sheriff, and if he checks the jester/survivor, then I might re-evaluate this policy.

[deathworlds]

Speaking of which do we have a designated Yuki translator this game? Last time I played with em we had Orpz to translate.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Speaking of which do we have a designated Yuki translator this game? Last time I played with em we had Orpz to translate.
Stereo and RLVG can

[deathworlds]

Time for setup speculation?

[deathworlds]

Stereo and RLVG can

ty homes

[Yukitaka Oni]

Stereo and RLVG can
Oh yeah MattZed could too

[Yukitaka Oni]

Time for setup speculation?
Setup: just like mafia Starcraft

[Yukitaka Oni]

That's exactly what scum want you to think. "I claimed survivor, so WIFOMing jester, town won't lynch me." That's why they need to be insta-lynched.

Moreover, in this setup, sheriff can detect if his target is a neutral. If we do have a sheriff, and if he checks the jester/survivor, then I might re-evaluate this policy.
ok. 80-20 then. You convinced me

[Yukitaka Oni]

Oh yeah. 3 Shitizens confirmed, perhaps this could force scum to claim Town Power Role (TPR)

[SecondLynch]

@DW, as alignment. ie how do you currently read us both.


Right but I followed that up with reasons why lynching day 1 is good that haven't been said yet.

Yes, and again, you are playing the "theory game".


Well, I have never once played the mod and have only ever player forum mafia and f2f mafia like 10+ years ago so I don't have any idea on the meta of the mod.

Fair enough.




You have a scum read on me, that's nice. Believe it or not I am not actually MiniZed or DB.

I never said you were them. I said that you gave me the same feeling that they did when they rolled scum.


You're wall can be summed up to "Calix can really be any alignment at this point, but I think they are Town because the said they were going to be a leader this game." You left out where Calix could just be saying she is a leader to make herself look Town.. Not really a tricky play at all. Don't get why you are making stances so soon in the game. Unless your RVS reads are really good, your reads are prolly junk.

The first part of the wall post, yes. You make a good point here. I spent too much energy trying to analyze her first post's intentions. I'm just paranoid at reading Calix since I gave her a free pass in BFN.

As for having stances this early, this is just how I play as town. I put forward my reads very early so that the other townies know I am town, know how I think, and it creates discussion. I don't see a reason for keeping my views for myself. That being said, I am aware that my reads may be 0% so far, and that is another reason for putting them forward.


Basically, I think you are saying a lot of words in that wall post but not saying much. Don't expect me to play like you in this regard, I often just keep what I am saying to a few things of concern.

I don't expect anybody to play like me; I expect everybody to post enough content for me to read them.


I think its more townie than Scummy for you to make that wall post, but ultimately Effort=/=alignment

Why is it more townie than scummy?

[SecondLynch]

Time for setup speculation?

It's a standard SC2 save in my eyes with the exception that sheriff can check the neutrals. Have you noticed anything particular?

I doubt the investigator role will be in the game. His description of having a "clue" about the person's role is too vague, and I think it would essentially make him an administrator/consigliere ie he detects exact roles.


Oh yeah. 3 Shitizens confirmed, perhaps this could force scum to claim Town Power Role (TPR)

Good thing you followed Calix's suggestion of not claiming citizen.

[deathworlds]

So for this setup we have a standard 13 player setup consisting of the following:

Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Neutral
Town PR
Town PR
Town PR
Town PR
Town Random
Town Random
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

It's safe to assume that one of the Town Random is a citizen in all cases. So let's update the list.

Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Neutral
Town PR
Town PR
Town PR
Town PR
Town Random
Town Random (Citizen)
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

That leaves us with 9 roles which are hidden to us. Let's work on the mafia first.

There are a total of 7 different mafia roles, which allows for 27 (25 if godfather is a unique role).

The following questions will have to be answered before I may continue.

Is godfather a unique role?

Is mayor a unique role?

What defines a "failure" for survivor to not use up a vest charge?

Is Agent correctly informed of exactly who visited his target, along with who his target visited?

For the janitor, what defines a "failure"?

Both the consigliere and the Investigator receive clues on who their roles are based off of the investigative pairings, yes?

Does bodyguard kill night immune roles?

Does the Mayor keep his additional vote until his death?

If framer is the only living non-town, and his target is framed as a random living non-town, yet Framer is put into a random investigative pairing. How does that work out?

[SecondLynch]

It's a standard SC2 save in my eyes with the exception that sheriff can check the neutrals. Have you noticed anything particular?

I doubt the investigator role will be in the game. His description of having a "clue" about the person's role is too vague, and I think it would essentially make him an administrator/consigliere ie he detects exact roles.

Re-read the setup.


Investigation Pairings :
•Killer : Mafioso, Executioner, Serial Killer, Vigilante, Bodyguard.
•Shady : Agent, Consort, Witch, Bus Driver, Detective, Lookout.
•Charismatic : Godfather, Survivor, Mayor, Citizen.
•Informative : Consigliere, Janitor, Sheriff, Investigator.

Those are the clues an investigator would get. Disregard my previous comment on that role, it is very possible we have one.

[deathworlds]

I have NU as a slight town-read right now, and I do not have enough information to accuse quick of anything yet.

[Quick]

Yes, and again, you are playing the "theory game".

What gives you the impression that is all I am doing? I also said I'm not going to just hand out a town read on stereo because he doesn't want to lynch day one and is sticking by that. No comment on that?


I never said you were them. I said that you gave me the same feeling that they did when they rolled scum.

You drew a comparison between two players in a different game where I am not either of them. you are basically saying I am giving you certain "vibes" that are similar to what you experienced by two different players than me in a completely different game than this. I mean what do you want me to say to that? I didn't even read that game so I don't even know if they were Scum in that game. Its impossible for me to argue against because its based on "feels" in a completely different context than here.


As for having stances this early, this is just how I play as town. I put forward my reads very early so that the other townies know I am town, know how I think, and it creates discussion. I don't see a reason for keeping my views for myself. That being said, I am aware that my reads may be 0% so far, and that is another reason for putting them forward.

Sometimes I have stances early and sometimes I don't. Its not bad that you have stances, its just that you should be able to argue them. So far from what I have seem fmpov you scum read on me is based on feels and that I commented on things that were not AI.


I don't expect anybody to play like me; I expect everybody to post enough content for me to read them.


Just letting you know for future engagements with me.


Why is it more townie than scummy?

because its proactive and not reactive. Proactive is Townie and reactive is Scummy. Not a big tell tho since its Scums job to do the same.

[SecondLynch]

Investigation Pairings :
•Killer : Mafioso, Executioner, Serial Killer, Vigilante, Bodyguard.
•Shady : Agent, Consort, Witch, Bus Driver, Detective, Lookout.
•Charismatic : Godfather, Survivor, Mayor, Citizen.
•Informative : Consigliere, Janitor, Sheriff, Investigator.

Jester isn't in there. I think host has slipped that jester is not a role in this game.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Jester isn't in there. I think host has slipped that jester is not a role in this game.
Or not update yet

[Unknown1234]

Everyone should be scumhunting all the time

eggy

I don't get why you voted someone who isn't even here yet.

[Unknown1234]

Stereo is a town read, in my newb days I would not lynch day 1 as town.

I would agree that Stereo is currently a town-lean, but I disagree about why you say this. Using comparison to a newb is wrong, you don't know how they would play so how can you counter them?

To add on, if you want to do comparison I can say myself that I did not want to lynch at all in my first game as scum. I understand comparing to myself isn't ideal but your argument feels too one-sided and biased.

[Drizzt]

I'm a newb and I promise, my inaction is purely out of ignorance et newbness. But feel free to believe I'm just being quiet because I have something to hide.

[Unknown1234]

Yoyoyo! I'm here, the game can start.

Let's start from the start.

The Calix's opener was a hard "I am this town's leader" claim. It is shown by this: "Ask me questions, I am the town leader."

What does this say about the Calix's alignment?
1) She rolled town. She encourages the new players to collaborate so she can read 'em correctly so she can carry the game home.
2) She rolled Neutral.
2a) Survivor. It doesn't make sense for her to proclaim herself town leader as Survivor, she's drawing Kim Kardashian attention to her by doing so, survivors should want to lie low.
2b) Jester. Yes, she attracts everyone's attention (which is what le jester would want), but the tone of her post don't feel like a jester's, and there are much more efficient ways of appearing scummy to be lynched. I seriously doubt it's this scenario, but then again, WIFOM.
2c) Executioner. She claims town leader so that her reads are to be sheeped, and, thus, she can get her target lynched. Possible.
2d) Serial Killer. Claiming town leader allows her to control the flow of the thread, lets her play the town game by still wanting to eliminate the mafia, and looks town. This is a really ballsy move to do, as she would need to be absolutely confident in her ability to pocket the majority of the thread for her to stay town leader, and given that she knows that I'll be reading every single one of her words with the attention of a jailkeeper watching the inmates, I doubt this is the right scenario.
2e)Witch. Yeah, no. It makes her more of a night target than she already is (Definition of Calix by the Urban Dictionary: One who is nightkilled on Night 1.). She would need to appear town leader so she can find the scum and hope that she can control their nightkill to kill whoever she wants. Ballsy. Bad. No.
3) She rolled scum. She wants the new players to trust her and to collaborate with her so that she can control the flow of the thread and protect her teammates. Probable.

1 is the most likely in my book.



Next, she finds me scummy for posting random stuff. What a shocker it is for NeverUnlucky the Troll to post random shit day 1.



Mesk’s opener makes me think she’s town. She basically claimed that she was town, and last time she was scum, she didn’t do the « I AM MESK, I AM ALWAYS TOWN » shit before day 2 iirc.

Gyrlander & Yuki’s openers were NAI.

Now, Unknown…

I’m not sure why he made that post this way…
If he’s saying that he will be sheeping this game, then his post is dumb at best and scummy at worst.
If he meant something else, he was just ASKING to be misinterpreted.



I like this opener. Simple and direct.


Stereo.
I love this dude’s post. He’s being honest in his posts, not afraid to give his thoughts on the D1 lynch (Though I too advocate for D1 lynches), and he has a town tone. Plus he’s new, so I do not think he is being deceptive with this and fooling me. Town-read, town-read, town-read.


Fuck, why wasn’t he in Give or Take?

Also, I disliked Unknown’s interactions with him. Again, he was asking purely rhetorical questions, and it gives me the feeling of Déjà vu.

This is long, and there isn't a lot that is responsible to.

Why did you overthink your read on Calix so much? She plays completely different when she's scum and it's easy to catch on to.

My sheep post has nothing to do with me sheeping, and if it did why would me saying this make me seem scummy or dumb to you? It was me relating to the last game where I posted a sheep and it made me like Sheeps more. Think it was BFN maybe.

I don't like how people are analyzing Stereo. Saying "let's lynch the scum" is the exact definition of trying to look town too much, and I didn't feel all too strongly about it. I wouldn't think a huge amount about it, but it seems like an easy chance to manipulate someone new with less knowledge.

How do my questions even compare to the last game? Fairly certain I didn't openly ask questions to "try to scum-hunt" last game.

You are talking odd Secondpassing. Almost as if you pre-planned to turn on me using past game "feelings" as your ammunition.

[Quick]

I would agree that Stereo is currently a town-lean, but I disagree about why you say this. Using comparison to a newb is wrong, you don't know how they would play so how can you counter them?

To add on, if you want to do comparison I can say myself that I did not want to lynch at all in my first game as scum. I understand comparing to myself isn't ideal but your argument feels too one-sided and biased.

Why are you Town reading stereo?

[Unknown1234]

Calix has already called him out for this, he has already answered.



It makes sense from a mod player's POV. I understand where Stereo is coming from, I assume DW too.

I have a slight-scum-read of you. You're asking a rhetorical question and an irrelevant question, scumtell. You're giving me the exact same feeling as MiniZed and DB gave me in GoT and BFN.

Quick

Any comments you want to make on my wall post?

Your argument is that he reminds you of DIFFERENT people who were scum in DIFFERENT games. I'm assuming this is Secondpassing again?

[Unknown1234]

What gives you the impression that is all I am doing? I also said I'm not going to just hand out a town read on stereo because he doesn't want to lynch day one and is sticking by that. No comment on that?



You drew a comparison between two players in a different game where I am not either of them. you are basically saying I am giving you certain "vibes" that are similar to what you experienced by two different players than me in a completely different game than this. I mean what do you want me to say to that? I didn't even read that game so I don't even know if they were Scum in that game. Its impossible for me to argue against because its based on "feels" in a completely different context than here.



Sometimes I have stances early and sometimes I don't. Its not bad that you have stances, its just that you should be able to argue them. So far from what I have seem fmpov you scum read on me is based on feels and that I commented on things that were not AI.



Just letting you know for future engagements with me.



because its proactive and not reactive. Proactive is Townie and reactive is Scummy. Not a big tell tho since its Scums job to do the same.

From this argument, Quick's interaction feels town and completely justified. SecondLynch is providing a completely biased opinion that cannot further any conversation or points to build off of.

[Unknown1234]

Why are you Town reading stereo?

His interaction with me seems to be more open. There isn't much to say but I feel that his opinion and how he expresses it seems one that does not stand out as scummy to me. I think that scum wouldn't stand out and calling for a no-lynch to me seems town.

I also think this slot will be easy to figure out further in, so I don't feel too worried about them right now.

[Unknown1234]

So for this setup we have a standard 13 player setup consisting of the following:

Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Neutral
Town PR
Town PR
Town PR
Town PR
Town Random
Town Random
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

It's safe to assume that one of the Town Random is a citizen in all cases. So let's update the list.

Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Neutral
Town PR
Town PR
Town PR
Town PR
Town Random
Town Random (Citizen)
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

That leaves us with 9 roles which are hidden to us. Let's work on the mafia first.

There are a total of 7 different mafia roles, which allows for 27 (25 if godfather is a unique role).

The following questions will have to be answered before I may continue.

Is godfather a unique role?

Is mayor a unique role?

What defines a "failure" for survivor to not use up a vest charge?

Is Agent correctly informed of exactly who visited his target, along with who his target visited?

For the janitor, what defines a "failure"?

Both the consigliere and the Investigator receive clues on who their roles are based off of the investigative pairings, yes?

Does bodyguard kill night immune roles?

Does the Mayor keep his additional vote until his death?

If framer is the only living non-town, and his target is framed as a random living non-town, yet Framer is put into a random investigative pairing. How does that work out?

deathworlds is a town-read for me. I will cover this when I remember what I was going to say.

[Gyrlander]

It's funny how in every games the new players are automatically catalogued as Town. It happens in EVERY game.

Drittz and Stereo, welcome to the world of the Unlynchable.

[Drizzt]

It's funny how in every games the new players are automatically catalogued as Town. It happens in EVERY game.

Drittz and Stereo, welcome to the world of the Unlynchable.

Funny. In the real game its usually always someone bs'ing about being new. I'm not sure this is an exception.

[RLVG]

Questions & Answers Session 1 :

Is godfather a unique role?
Is mayor a unique role?
While I haven't written that they're unique, Godfather and Mayor are indeed unique.

What defines a "failure" for survivor to not use up a vest charge?
A Survivor can be Roleblocked, thus they never used their battery powered vest that lasts a single night.

Is Agent correctly informed of exactly who visited his target, along with who his target visited?
Agent targets Bob. "Bob were seen visiting Luigi. Bob were visited by Gary."

For the janitor, what defines a "failure"?
Same as a Survivor, if they're roleblocked then their battery powered broom won't work.
In addition, this includes if they target did not die. A successful attempt is cleaning a role.

Both the consigliere and the Investigator receive clues on who their roles are based off of the investigative pairings, yes?
Yes.

Does bodyguard kill night immune roles?
While this were not written in the actual setup, they can indeed kill night immune.
This is hinted by that the SK and Vigilante can "attack" while the Bodyguard can "Kill".

Does the Mayor keep his additional vote until his death?
Yes.

If framer is the only living non-town, and his target is framed as a random living non-town, yet Framer is put into a random investigative pairing. How does that work out?
Then he will frame someone as a random pairing.


Jester isn't in there. I think host has slipped that jester is not a role in this game.

Error found. Jester is among "Charismatic".

[Stereo]

Drittz and Stereo, welcome to the world of the Unlynchable.
I would like to imagine this is not the case for anybody. All men are mortal in this save.


Right but I followed that up with reasons why lynching day 1 is good that haven't been said yet.
The advantage of possibly lynching a scum today outweighs what we lose if we lynch a town. If we do not lynch today, the maximum we can lose is 1 townie. Instead of the potential 2 we could lose.

DW is really pushing the town initiative right now. I am have a great deal of confidence in their Townly status.

As an aside, if people are using acronyms could they make a note for me as to their meaning? Thanks.

[Stereo]

Unless we're unlucky and got a serial killer. Then tomorrow at least SK could stab a mafia.

[Eggy]

This is my first Mafia game on a forum, it doesn't strike me well that we're supposed to ignore(?) our power roles. They exist for a reason, and they are tools for us. I definitely see what you're saying, but I am not saying we don't act until a power role gives us something of substance.


Its day 1 and not everyone has posted. We're not winning yet.


I'll vote to pressure, sure, but I won't let myself be included in a lynch on the first day.

you cant vote to pressure if you just clearly stated you will not allow yourself to be part of a lynch D1 no one will take your vote seriously because they know you willove it before they are lynched. unknown1234

[Eggy]

Well... dangers. That only would have been for today anyway. Day 2 is free game for me.

why is day 2 better for a lynch than day 1?

[Eggy]

Missed your post, but I saw it now.


No, I don't know. But anyone who is town aligned is valuable solely for that fact. I will not discount the fact that we may or may not have certain roles, but at the moment I will remain content. Day 2 is what I am waiting for at the moment. There will be much more to work with then, more concrete information.


Genuinely overlooked this, will keep this in mind for the future.


Scummy, but not scum for sure? That's reason enough for me to not vote them. I've seen it far too many times where we lynched someone we thought for sure was scum, but turned out to be town. I am not discounting lynching in the future, but for today I will not be an accomplice to it. You guys go nuts.

Out of curiosity, why do you care that I will not vote to lynch today?

i find it strange that you will not be part of a lynch but tell us to go crazy? saying you don't want to be an "accomplice" as if by not voting you dont get any blame for a potential mislynch. to me this seems pretty scummy and comes off as a way to avoid responsibility but it may also just be noob behavior so Im not sure yet.

[Eggy]

Everyone should be scumhunting all the time

eggy

fuck you

[Yukitaka Oni]

you cant vote to pressure if you just clearly stated you will not allow yourself to be part of a lynch D1 no one will take your vote seriously because they know you willove it before they are lynched. unknown1234
Both are true...

[Yukitaka Oni]

fuck you
2 edgy 4 me

[Eggy]

Yoyoyo! I'm here, the game can start.

Let's start from the start.

The Calix's opener was a hard "I am this town's leader" claim. It is shown by this: "Ask me questions, I am the town leader."

What does this say about the Calix's alignment?
1) She rolled town. She encourages the new players to collaborate so she can read 'em correctly so she can carry the game home.
2) She rolled Neutral.
2a) Survivor. It doesn't make sense for her to proclaim herself town leader as Survivor, she's drawing Kim Kardashian attention to her by doing so, survivors should want to lie low.
2b) Jester. Yes, she attracts everyone's attention (which is what le jester would want), but the tone of her post don't feel like a jester's, and there are much more efficient ways of appearing scummy to be lynched. I seriously doubt it's this scenario, but then again, WIFOM.
2c) Executioner. She claims town leader so that her reads are to be sheeped, and, thus, she can get her target lynched. Possible.
2d) Serial Killer. Claiming town leader allows her to control the flow of the thread, lets her play the town game by still wanting to eliminate the mafia, and looks town. This is a really ballsy move to do, as she would need to be absolutely confident in her ability to pocket the majority of the thread for her to stay town leader, and given that she knows that I'll be reading every single one of her words with the attention of a jailkeeper watching the inmates, I doubt this is the right scenario.
2e)Witch. Yeah, no. It makes her more of a night target than she already is (Definition of Calix by the Urban Dictionary: One who is nightkilled on Night 1.). She would need to appear town leader so she can find the scum and hope that she can control their nightkill to kill whoever she wants. Ballsy. Bad. No.
3) She rolled scum. She wants the new players to trust her and to collaborate with her so that she can control the flow of the thread and protect her teammates. Probable.

1 is the most likely in my book.



Next, she finds me scummy for posting random stuff. What a shocker it is for NeverUnlucky the Troll to post random shit day 1.



Mesk’s opener makes me think she’s town. She basically claimed that she was town, and last time she was scum, she didn’t do the « I AM MESK, I AM ALWAYS TOWN » shit before day 2 iirc.

Gyrlander & Yuki’s openers were NAI.

Now, Unknown…

I’m not sure why he made that post this way…
If he’s saying that he will be sheeping this game, then his post is dumb at best and scummy at worst.
If he meant something else, he was just ASKING to be misinterpreted.



I like this opener. Simple and direct.


Stereo.
I love this dude’s post. He’s being honest in his posts, not afraid to give his thoughts on the D1 lynch (Though I too advocate for D1 lynches), and he has a town tone. Plus he’s new, so I do not think he is being deceptive with this and fooling me. Town-read, town-read, town-read.


Fuck, why wasn’t he in Give or Take?

Also, I disliked Unknown’s interactions with him. Again, he was asking purely rhetorical questions, and it gives me the feeling of Déjà vu.

I like this wall post the most so far got you some town point from me

[deathworlds]

2 edgy 4 me

did you mean 2 eggy 4 me?

[Yukitaka Oni]

did you mean 2 eggy 4 me?
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/901/742/e37.png

[Eggy]

I don't get why you voted someone who isn't even here yet.

pressure rvs??? pretty damn normal thing to do dont understand how you would question that?

[Eggy]

did you mean 2 eggy 4 me?

lol clever

[Eggy]

I'm a newb and I promise, my inaction is purely out of ignorance et newbness. But feel free to believe I'm just being quiet because I have something to hide.

this is strange lol

[deathworlds]

pressure rvs??? pretty damn normal thing to do dont understand how you would question that?

Yuki your shitposts are annoying me.

Yukitaka Oni

[deathworlds]

Yuki your shitposts are annoying me.

Yukitaka Oni

The underlying meaning of this post is that I'm concerned with Yuki's unusual behavior. And when I say "unusual behavior" I mean unusual for Yuki.

[Eggy]

Yuki your shitposts are annoying me.

Yukitaka Oni

lol why did you reply to my post but direct your post and vote towards Oni?

[Eggy]

The underlying meaning of this post is that I'm concerned with Yuki's unusual behavior. And when I say "unusual behavior" I mean unusual for Yuki.

what is her usual behavior I dont know her to well?

[Eggy]

anyway im going to sleep but ill be on at like 12ish my time tmrw afternoon.

[Yukitaka Oni]

The underlying meaning of this post is that I'm concerned with Yuki's unusual behavior. And when I say "unusual behavior" I mean unusual for Yuki.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/021/949/a40.gif

[Stereo]

why is day 2 better for a lynch than day 1?
Day 2 is when things start rolling. The first person is dead (hopefully with a role to reveal), and power roles were able to begin putting things together from th


i find it strange that you will not be part of a lynch but tell us to go crazy? saying you don't want to be an "accomplice" as if by not voting you dont get any blame for a potential mislynch. to me this seems pretty scummy and comes off as a way to avoid responsibility but it may also just be noob behavior so Im not sure yet.
I'll have to be more deliberate in what I say in the future. Whether I like it or not someone could be lynched today, it just seems like something you guys are very adamant about lynching someone Day 1.

[deathworlds]

lol why did you reply to my post but direct your post and vote towards Oni?

I don't wish to pressure you at the moment.

[Stereo]

Day 2 is when things start rolling. The first person is dead (hopefully with a role to reveal), and power roles were able to begin putting things together from their night actions.
whoopsie

[deathworlds]

Day 2 is when things start rolling. The first person is dead (hopefully with a role to reveal), and power roles were able to begin putting things together from th


I'll have to be more deliberate in what I say in the future. Whether I like it or not someone could be lynched today, it just seems like something you guys are very adamant about lynching someone Day 1.

Conspiracy time, Stereo is scum, and knows a janitor is on his team.

[Unknown1234]

you cant vote to pressure if you just clearly stated you will not allow yourself to be part of a lynch D1 no one will take your vote seriously because they know you willove it before they are lynched. unknown1234

So, in a post where you reply to someone else, you vote me. Wait, let me guess, this is your RVS vote? I don't get why this would be necessary given that we are far enough into the game and it does nothing.

Sure love reading your posts, Egg.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Day 2 is when things start rolling. The first person is dead (hopefully with a role to reveal), and power roles were able to begin putting things together from th


I'll have to be more deliberate in what I say in the future. Whether I like it or not someone could be lynched today, it just seems like something you guys are very adamant about lynching someone Day 1.
Well usually most people want to lynch day 1 because they want to prove that: Look! I do contributed on scum hunting, that mean I am definitely a town read
- Of course Mafia could do the same. But i prefer 50-50

[deathworlds]

BTW I'll finish setup spec when I get home tomorrow.

[Unknown1234]

pressure rvs??? pretty damn normal thing to do dont understand how you would question that?

RVS vote is the oppostite of pressure voting Egg. Even when doing RVS votes, the point is to build up conversation. What do you gain from voting someone yet to speak? I'm sure you felt the pressure of one vote after you hadn't even spoken. Doorknob.

:sheep::sheep:

[Unknown1234]

The underlying meaning of this post is that I'm concerned with Yuki's unusual behavior. And when I say "unusual behavior" I mean unusual for Yuki.

Why is it unusual for Yuki IYO?

[deathworlds]

Why is it unusual for Yuki IYO?

I've just haven't seen Yuki shitpost so much before, and the usual trademark "v)x.o)> v(o.o(v" crap is nowhere to be seen.

[Unknown1234]

i find it strange that you will not be part of a lynch but tell us to go crazy? saying you don't want to be an "accomplice" as if by not voting you dont get any blame for a potential mislynch. to me this seems pretty scummy and comes off as a way to avoid responsibility but it may also just be noob behavior so Im not sure yet.

Is this town insecure eggy or trying to improve scum eggy?

[Stereo]

If you guys are using acronyms I'd love if there were a list so I know what you are saying.

[Unknown1234]

If you guys are using acronyms I'd love if there were a list so I know what you are saying.

Sorry. IYO= in your opinion.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Why is it unusual for Yuki IYO?
Yuki not null = not Yuki

[RLVG]

Popular question :
Q : RLVG, did you blabladappedito?
A : Yes, little paddawan, I randomized the player slots and the roles they were given. There were no pre-determined slots for players.

Popular question answered. Kappa

[Yukitaka Oni]

Popular question :
Q : RLVG, did you blabladappedito?
A : Yes, little paddawan, I randomized the player slots and the roles they were given. There were no pre-determined slots for players.

Popular question answered. Kappa
Question: does witch win with mafia?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Question: does witch win with mafia?
Never,ind,the setup is the same with Starcraft mafia....

[Yukitaka Oni]

Never,ind,the setup is the same with Starcraft mafia....
Nevermind*

[Yukitaka Oni]

Guess i should wait for other 3 people haven't show up before I can start reading...

[Mesk514]

Okay so i have 15 minutes to compose something before my dryer goes off, and then I'm going to bed.

So,150 posts in and we have this:

Snorlax self proclaims themselves to be town leader
Stereo being town read for being a noob
Yuki being Yuki
Death worlds setup speculating
SecondLynch analyzing everything
Eggy actually making logical sense
Unknown countering the logical sense
Quick is just chilling
and uh oh yah
drizzt making mod speculation (in the real game this & that & so on)

did i miss anything? i think i got everyone

oh no wait

Gyrlander decided not to post sheep.


Quick

too much chilling

I've seen a more interactive Quick, he may be busy and so on but his posts don't stick out for me so far.
while reading through out the day going along with the things I had to do, everyone left some sort of impression, Quicks was that he was just chilling and kinda hanging on the outside of the game.

anyways dryer literally just rang, my life as a proper female calls.

toodles

[Mesk514]

ah shit, two people haven't even posted yet. GG guys, GG -.-

[Snorlax]

Yo my dudes.

To everyone who thinks people are being town-read solely for being noob, allow me to break down why Drizzt's opening post is sketchy as fuck.


I'm a newb and I promise, my inaction is purely out of ignorance et newbness. But feel free to believe I'm just being quiet because I have something to hide.

His first impulse is to make an excuse for why his lack of posting is not a scum tell!

This should be setting off a million alarm bells, people. Why?

He is trying to make himself less suspicious before anyone is suspecting him.

He is trying to defend himself before he has anyone accusing him. This is 100% something that only makes sense from a mafia mindset. Scum KNOW that they are guilty and feel compelled to overcompensate for this knowledge.

Furthermore, he's self-aware of the fact that lurking is considered a scum tell and instead of trying to rectify that, he makes excuses for why he won't post much. This is not someone who cares about contributing to the town.

Not to mention the tone - it's obvious that he's worried about how others will perceive him. (why else would his first post be defending himself from accusations of lurking scum?)

Contrast this with Stereo's opening. He says he is new...but is NOT using his newb status to undermine his contributions which is exactly what Drizzt is doing.

Town have NO incentive to undermine their posts from the get-go and thus Drizzt cannot be town.

Drizzt

[Snorlax]

As for Quick...

I don't like him whatsoever. I was initially going to vote for him but decided to draw attention to Drizzt's post first since everyone was ignoring how much of a scum-claim that was.

He hasn't done anything useful aside from throw shade on early town-reads (e.g., Stereo and myself) and whine a bit. The fact that he criticises everyone else but isn't trying to do anything himself is what I'd expect from scum or overcautious town.

I'm leaning-scum on him given his latest posts though.


Right but I followed that up with reasons why lynching day 1 is good that haven't been said yet.

...

You're wall can be summed up to "Calix can really be any alignment at this point, but I think they are Town because the said they were going to be a leader this game." You left out where Calix could just be saying she is a leader to make herself look Town.. Not really a tricky play at all. Don't get why you are making stances so soon in the game. Unless your RVS reads are really good, your reads are prolly junk.

Basically, I think you are saying a lot of words in that wall post but not saying much. Don't expect me to play like you in this regard, I often just keep what I am saying to a few things of concern.

I think its more townie than Scummy for you to make that wall post, but ultimately Effort=/=alignment

First line reads to me like he was saying "my comment about lynching D1 was made to look like I was doing something because nobody had made that comment yet"

Second part is "you shouldn't town-read Calix because she could be scum faking town" - this is something that can be said about anyone, that they are scum who are good at faking a town persona. I see no reason to post this aside from to throw shade on town-reads because the "town or scum faking town" applies to every single town-read person ever.

Last part is "here's a weak town-read which I hedge on in the same sentence". Given what Quick said about SecondLynch (that he said too little in a massive post) this makes NO sense to conclude. If he isn't saying much, how is he actually putting in effort...? Writing words =/= effort.


What gives you the impression that is all I am doing? I also said I'm not going to just hand out a town read on stereo because he doesn't want to lynch day one and is sticking by that. No comment on that?

You drew a comparison between two players in a different game where I am not either of them. you are basically saying I am giving you certain "vibes" that are similar to what you experienced by two different players than me in a completely different game than this. I mean what do you want me to say to that? I didn't even read that game so I don't even know if they were Scum in that game. Its impossible for me to argue against because its based on "feels" in a completely different context than here.

Sometimes I have stances early and sometimes I don't. Its not bad that you have stances, its just that you should be able to argue them. So far from what I have seem fmpov you scum read on me is based on feels and that I commented on things that were not AI.

because its proactive and not reactive. Proactive is Townie and reactive is Scummy. Not a big tell tho since its Scums job to do the same.

First paragraph - he hasn't been trying to town-clear anyone else nor do I see any scum-hunting coming from him so it makes no sense for town to talk shit about someone who is doing those things. (regardless of how poorly it's being done, it's way better than what Quick's been doing)

Second paragraph - he's overly defensive because someone scum-reads him based on the fee-fees. This sticks out to me purely because Quick himself has said that responding too much to someone's gut read on you is scummy and that town would ignore it because they know they are town. This second post means that he's acting as he thinks scum would act.

Last paragraph is him saying "this is a town tell only it's not because scum can do it too"

So yeah, I can see where his train is coming from.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Remember the basic rule of mafia game: Trust no one.
confirmed at least 1 newbie Mafia in this game
Don't worry, I didn't contribute anything
Yet

[Snorlax]

Remember the basic rule of mafia game: Trust no one.
confirmed at least 1 newbie Mafia in this game
Don't worry, I didn't contribute anything
Yet

Who are you referring to, Drizzt?

I don't think RLVG gives a fuck about making sure one of the newbs is mafia just because :p

[Snorlax]

I'm getting bored of seeing people like Stereo and Quick (hi!) pop in and not sheep my points or counter them, so decided to reread.


Time for setup speculation?

No. If you read this before you finish your spec, can it and focus on the scum-hunting over baseless theories. Have not seen you do any of that.

Also if you're TPR, you're extremely likely to spew your role while prattling on about how the host balanced roles. (which does not help anyone find scum) Don't waste your time please.


From this argument, Quick's interaction feels town and completely justified. SecondLynch is providing a completely biased opinion that cannot further any conversation or points to build off of.

http://67.media.tumblr.com/8b612803ac6a8039b0d5a4f2c0021cc5/tumblr_ncjn22GcjK1qlfv2eo1_500.gif

No but for real, how are you TOWN-READING QUICK?


deathworlds is a town-read for me. I will cover this when I remember what I was going to say.

I'm also not sure why everyone is town-reading DWs for setup spec. (which is NAI) I don't think he's scum but I don't relate to the litany of town-reads he's getting either. If someone could explain themselves here, would be good.


It's funny how in every games the new players are automatically catalogued as Town. It happens in EVERY game.

Drittz and Stereo, welcome to the world of the Unlynchable.

Gyrlander please tell us if you are going anywhere with this line of thought. Do you disagree with the town-reads? If not, why post this?

I am ambivalent on Eggy. He hasn't done anything obvscum like he usually does as scum but these posts rub me the wrong way.


fuck you

Weird hostility to a RVS vote.


I like this wall post the most so far got you some town point from me

Weird way of giving a town-read.


this is strange lol

Lack of elaboration on why he thinks Drizzt's opener is strange.

[Quick]

As for Quick...

I don't like him whatsoever. I was initially going to vote for him but decided to draw attention to Drizzt's post first since everyone was ignoring how much of a scum-claim that was.

Strong language. Seems like you like to use buzz words some, I'll keep that in mind.


He hasn't done anything useful aside from throw shade on early town-reads (e.g., Stereo and myself) and whine a bit. The fact that he criticises everyone else but isn't trying to do anything himself is what I'd expect from scum or overcautious town.

I haven't casted any shade. Because I am not quick to jump onto the same reads as everyone else is no reasons to Scum read me. Its not shade, because I haven't said in any way that stereo or yourself are actually Scum.. Just said I'm not going to jump on the "they are town" wagon. I have done a few other things, so this isn't as true to life as it appears.


I'm leaning-scum on him given his latest posts though.



First line reads to me like he was saying "my comment about lynching D1 was made to look like I was doing something because nobody had made that comment yet"

So I'm not allowed to comment on something that came up itt? That is pretty weak. It was a topic of discussion.. Why is it wrong for me to comment on it?


Second part is "you shouldn't town-read Calix because she could be scum faking town" - this is something that can be said about anyone, that they are scum who are good at faking a town persona. I see no reason to post this aside from to throw shade on town-reads because the "town or scum faking town" applies to every single town-read person ever.

No, I'm saying there is nill evidence to support that you are a definite Town read, there is a difference there. I don't think you have done anything you wouldn't do as either alignment, correct me if I am wrong here.


Last part is "here's a weak town-read which I hedge on in the same sentence". Given what Quick said about SecondLynch (that he said too little in a massive post) this makes NO sense to conclude. If he isn't saying much, how is he actually putting in effort...? Writing words =/= effort.

I disagree. Writing a lot of words takes more effort than writing less words therefor: more words = more effort. Especially considering that you have to come up with things to fill those words. That's why I'm on the fence about SecondLynch, because they put in the effort to type all that, but they weren't saying much. At this point I feel like you are just trying to defend your Towniness. I'm not saying effort = alignment here. to be clear I am saying proactive, especially early day one, usually is a town lean. That said, looking like you are doing more than you really are is a weak scum tell, so its going both ways on this one.


First paragraph - he hasn't been trying to town-clear anyone else nor do I see any scum-hunting coming from him so it makes no sense for town to talk shit about someone who is doing those things. (regardless of how poorly it's being done, it's way better than what Quick's been doing)


You're basically arguing that I have to make stances early. I do that sometimes, yeah, but its based on the feel of the game. This game I feel relaxed - don't feel like rushing into anything. I do think Unknown is probably Town, leaning Town on deathworlds for doing his thing with setup spec (because he's a setup buff) because it shows a really interest in trying to solve the setup of this game which helps town out. I think this is exactly the kind of thing death would do as Town. Reason its not a solid read is because he could know he would do that as Town. So levels and stuff.


Second paragraph - he's overly defensive because someone scum-reads him based on the fee-fees. This sticks out to me purely because Quick himself has said that responding too much to someone's gut read on you is scummy and that town would ignore it because they know they are town. This second post means that he's acting as he thinks scum would act.

I always get accused of being "defensive" when I don't feel that way at all. BTW isn't it you that has said defensiveness isn't a scum tell and no one has ever been caught as scum because they were being defensive? That's enough for me to vote you so:

Snorlax


Last paragraph is him saying "this is a town tell only it's not because scum can do it too"


Nope. Wrong again calix. That last comment is saying "reactive play is usually Scummy while proactive play can go either way"

[Quick]

I've just haven't seen Yuki shitpost so much before, and the usual trademark "v)x.o)> v(o.o(v" crap is nowhere to be seen.

Do not like this post by DW.

[Snorlax]

Strong language. Seems like you like to use buzz words some, I'll keep that in mind.

Lack of response to my damning Drizzt case noted.


I haven't casted any shade. Because I am not quick to jump onto the same reads as everyone else is no reasons to Scum read me. Its not shade, because I haven't said in any way that stereo or yourself are actually Scum.. Just said I'm not going to jump on the "they are town" wagon. I have done a few other things, so this isn't as true to life as it appears.

If your first reaction to seeing people be town-read is to give reasons as to why the reasons they are being town-read, that's throwing shade. Sorry hun.


So I'm not allowed to comment on something that came up itt? That is pretty weak. It was a topic of discussion.. Why is it wrong for me to comment on it?

That's not what I said. I said that the way you made that comment read like you were posting it for the sake of looking like you were contributing, not because you think it's helpful.


No, I'm saying there is nill evidence to support that you are a definite Town read, there is a difference there. I don't think you have done anything you wouldn't do as either alignment, correct me if I am wrong here.

I've found two scum. There's the difference.


I disagree. Writing a lot of words takes more effort than writing less words therefor: more words = more effort. Especially considering that you have to come up with things to fill those words. That's why I'm on the fence about SecondLynch, because they put in the effort to type all that, but they weren't saying much. At this point I feel like you are just trying to defend your Towniness. I'm not saying effort = alignment here. to be clear I am saying proactive, especially early day one, usually is a town lean. That said, looking like you are doing more than you really are is a weak scum tell, so its going both ways on this one.

I'm not saying I am TOWNIEST OF TOWNS. I am accusing you of trying to undermine anyone's attempts at town-reading players. I'd be saying the same shit regardless of who you were throwing shade on. The fact that it's on me = irrelevant to my argument.

Writing a bunch of words that says nothing is a characteristic of scum trying to look like they're contributing. Your logic makes no sense here - town has no incentive to LOOK like they are saying shit without saying anything. I don't scum-read SL for this because I disagree with your point, just pointing out your poor logic.


You're basically arguing that I have to make stances early. I do that sometimes, yeah, but its based on the feel of the game. This game I feel relaxed - don't feel like rushing into anything. I do think Unknown is probably Town, leaning Town on deathworlds for doing his thing with setup spec (because he's a setup buff) because it shows a really interest in trying to solve the setup of this game which helps town out. I think this is exactly the kind of thing death would do as Town. Reason its not a solid read is because he could know he would do that as Town. So levels and stuff.

You can be hesitant early on. However you are not doing that. You are actively trying to prevent other people from taking strong stances. Scummy.

How is Unknown town?

WIFOM doubt on DW read, right.


I always get accused of being "defensive" when I don't feel that way at all. BTW isn't it you that has said defensiveness isn't a scum tell and no one has ever been caught as scum because they were being defensive? That's enough for me to vote you so:

Snorlax



Nope. Wrong again calix. That last comment is saying "reactive play is usually Scummy while proactive play can go either way"

OMGUS.

Also wasn't what I was arguing. I was arguing that you were doing something that you yourself consider scummy.

You didn't deny this, you just lashed back at me. Classic scum reaction, attack the person accusing them.

[Snorlax]

Really Quick, that was a terrible reaction. Reactive scum-read of someone who is pushing you...after you said that "reactive play is usually scummy"

Brilliant.

[Snorlax]

Also I meant "if your first response to seeing someone be town-read is to give reasons as to why those reasons aren't strong enough to town-read people, that's throwing shade"

[Quick]

Okay so i have 15 minutes to compose something before my dryer goes off, and then I'm going to bed.

So,150 posts in and we have this:

Snorlax self proclaims themselves to be town leader
Stereo being town read for being a noob
Yuki being Yuki
Death worlds setup speculating
SecondLynch analyzing everything
Eggy actually making logical sense
Unknown countering the logical sense
Quick is just chilling
and uh oh yah
drizzt making mod speculation (in the real game this & that & so on)

did i miss anything? i think i got everyone

oh no wait

Gyrlander decided not to post sheep.


Quick

too much chilling

I've seen a more interactive Quick, he may be busy and so on but his posts don't stick out for me so far.
while reading through out the day going along with the things I had to do, everyone left some sort of impression, Quicks was that he was just chilling and kinda hanging on the outside of the game.

anyways dryer literally just rang, my life as a proper female calls.

toodles

So a meta read on me? Top kek considering how you entered the thread, bravo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckdZ7E-vP9M

[Quick]

Last post of the night for me.


Lack of response to my damning Drizzt case noted.

Yup.


If your first reaction to seeing people be town-read is to give reasons as to why the reasons they are being town-read, that's throwing shade. Sorry hun.


Nope, its trying to see the true picture of what is actually happening.


That's not what I said. I said that the way you made that comment read like you were posting it for the sake of looking like you were contributing, not because you think it's helpful.


I wasn't trying to look anything.


I've found two scum. There's the difference.

Found 2 scum you say? Well that totally tells me that what you are doing is AI. Nope, not the question I asked. I asked you if you have done anything AI yet this game.


I'm not saying I am TOWNIEST OF TOWNS. I am accusing you of trying to undermine anyone's attempts at town-reading players. I'd be saying the same shit regardless of who you were throwing shade on. The fact that it's on me = irrelevant to my argument.

Any attempts you say? More hyperbole from you. You do that a lot. You are saying I am saying what I am saying because it has something to do with my read on you. That is not the case at all in this instance. I am not saying that because I didn't Town read you means that you are completely valid in saying it has anything to do with you. I was talking about my read on SL the whole time. What SL's read on you is is of absolutely no consequence.


Writing a bunch of words that says nothing is a characteristic of scum trying to look like they're contributing. Your logic makes no sense here - town has no incentive to LOOK like they are saying shit without saying anything. I don't scum-read SL for this because I disagree with your point, just pointing out your poor logic.


You are wrong once agains Calix. Town has more reason to put in effort than Scum.


You can be hesitant early on. However you are not doing that. You are actively trying to prevent other people from taking strong stances. Scummy.


Please, I am not preventing anyone from making the reads they are making.


How is Unknown town?

Gave a townie reaction based on what I asked him about his read on stereo.


WIFOM doubt on DW read, right.

What WIFOM? In that very post I explained my read on SL.. Like are you saying you want me to commit to a read on them already?


OMGUS.

Also wasn't what I was arguing. I was arguing that you were doing something that you yourself consider scummy.

Didn't catch that part so you should prolly try and run it by me again.


You didn't deny this, you just lashed back at me. Classic scum reaction, attack the person accusing them.

I don't even know what you are talking about here.

[Snorlax]

Last post of the night for me.

1. Yup.

2. Nope, its trying to see the true picture of what is actually happening.

3. I wasn't trying to look anything.

4. Found 2 scum you say? Well that totally tells me that what you are doing is AI. Nope, not the question I asked. I asked you if you have done anything AI yet this game.

5. Any attempts you say? More hyperbole from you. You do that a lot. You are saying I am saying what I am saying because it has something to do with my read on you. That is not the case at all in this instance. I am not saying that because I didn't Town read you means that you are completely valid in saying it has anything to do with you. I was talking about my read on SL the whole time. What SL's read on you is is of absolutely no consequence.

6. You are wrong once agains Calix. Town has more reason to put in effort than Scum.

Please, I am not preventing anyone from making the reads they are making.

7. Gave a townie reaction based on what I asked him about his read on stereo.

8. What WIFOM? In that very post I explained my read on SL.. Like are you saying you want me to commit to a read on them already?

9. Didn't catch that part so you should prolly try and run it by me again.

10. I don't even know what you are talking about here.

Strong responses. I am 100% convinced you are town now.

1. Acknowledged that you didn't respond to the Drizzt case, still doesn't respond to the Drizzt case.

2. Not even sure what you are saying here. Is this the "I was playing devil's advocate" card or something?

3. "You're wrong"

4. Still haven't denied or countered why you are not scum. I'm not wasting time on self-meta'ing myself.

5. I see no counter to the "I was trying to downplay other people's town-reads" regardless of who you were referring to.

6. Why do you speak to me like you think I am town? Why am I just 'wrong' instead of scummy for proposing such ideas exactly?

Secondly, writing a lot of words is not a town tell. Writing long contentless posts is something that scum can do to blend in.

7.
"Yo why are you town-reading Unknown?"
"His reaction was townie."

Helpful.

8. Oh my god, the horror. Wanting people to take stances early on to kill scum's end-game potential and force them to minimise their ML options? What a novel concept...which you are trying to squirm your way out of, lol.

9. "didn't catch that part" - Bullshit. I just caught you acting like you think scum act and your lack of a counter to that point is incredibly damning, my friend.

10. Your response to me pushing you = OMGUS vote. Your response to Mesk scum-reading you = mockery.

I rest my case.

[Stereo]

Last post for me before I turn in.

The points brought against Drizzt are very strong, and I feel the same. However, instead of lynching him, if its available to us we should definitely have someone investigate him. He's either scum as you say, or feigning ignorance so the Mafia ignores him. If he's Citizen, I don't see a reason for him to just come out and say it now. If this behavior of his continues into the next day(and there's nothing that clears him), I will have to put my vote on him on Day 2.

Now that I think about it, the worst possible situation for him is to get any of the neutral roles. It is possible Drizzt is the neutral wanting to remain inconspicuous. He is isolated, has no team, and is fair game for everyone.

Quick isn't putting me off, but he's not putting me on. He's a step above Gyrlander for me, who I feel has not contributed anything of substance as of this moment. There's just nothing to read from him. Quick has at least been giving us discussion.

[Snorlax]

Last post for me before I turn in.

The points brought against Drizzt are very strong, and I feel the same. However, instead of lynching him, if its available to us we should definitely have someone investigate him. He's either scum as you say, or feigning ignorance so the Mafia ignores him. If he's Citizen, I don't see a reason for him to just come out and say it now. If this behavior of his continues into the next day(and there's nothing that clears him), I will have to put my vote on him on Day 2.

Now that I think about it, the worst possible situation for him is to get any of the neutral roles. It is possible Drizzt is the neutral wanting to remain inconspicuous. He is isolated, has no team, and is fair game for everyone.

Quick isn't putting me off, but he's not putting me on. He's a step above Gyrlander for me, who I feel has not contributed anything of substance as of this moment. There's just nothing to read from him. Quick has at least been giving us discussion.

I am assuming that this is the mod side of you talking here. I don't play it myself but others like Unknown, DW, Gyrlander, etc do so I'm not worried about being wrong here.

I feel that you're looking for a 100% guaranteed guilty on Drizzt before you are willing to lynch him. An understandable concern to have. However I would like to explain why this is a sub-optimal way to play FM:

1. Investigatives should not be used to investigate scummy players who will be lynched.

1a. The scum are likely to mess with investigation results to mislead the town if they know how investigatives will act. This wastes a night action with misleading information. It is also wasteful to use night actions on players who are going to get lynched the following day.

Lynch scummy players so that the Investigatives do not have to waste a night action. Consider a lynch an alignment check.

2. There are rarely scenarios where someone is 100% confirmed scum. There will always be an element of doubt. It's perfectly okay to be skeptical or doubtful about the alignments of other players, but it is how the game is intended to be played. (it's more about paranoia and doubt) I understand that this is a leap from mod play (where it's easier to confirm a lot of townies) but going for someone who has a high % of being scum often yields the same results without having to use night actions :)

3. Drizzt's role is unnecessary to know. In this case, his posting has already confirmed that he is scum because it does not make sense from a town mindset. You do not NEED him to claim a role. You do not even need him to keep posting at this point - there are no townie explanations for his post, therefore he is not town.

Unless anyone can think of an air-tight town explanation for Drizzt's posting, he can be lynched and he will flip scum. This I can assure you. Once you see this, you'll realise how little TPRs matter in these kinds of games :)

(4. Contribution isn't alignment-indicative. This is a common misconception even among veteran players)

tl;dr: That post IS the alignment check. Case closed. We do not need to waste night actions to give us information which we already have.

[Gyrlander]

Last post for me before I turn in.

The points brought against Drizzt are very strong, and I feel the same. However, instead of lynching him, if its available to us we should definitely have someone investigate him. He's either scum as you say, or feigning ignorance so the Mafia ignores him. If he's Citizen, I don't see a reason for him to just come out and say it now. If this behavior of his continues into the next day(and there's nothing that clears him), I will have to put my vote on him on Day 2.

Now that I think about it, the worst possible situation for him is to get any of the neutral roles. It is possible Drizzt is the neutral wanting to remain inconspicuous. He is isolated, has no team, and is fair game for everyone.

Quick isn't putting me off, but he's not putting me on. He's a step above Gyrlander for me, who I feel has not contributed anything of substance as of this moment. There's just nothing to read from him. Quick has at least been giving us discussion.

I like how you mention JUST me and not anyone else that has done as much as me, or less. Very interesting. Trying to follow the typical "omg Gyrlander is such a non-contributive player" that anyone else blindly?

[Snorlax]

Gyrlander, maybe try contributing.

Or at least make a non-RVS vote with reasoning pls.

Just do SOMETHING. I thought you said you were going to change your playstyle -_-

[Snorlax]

I will even stop calling you Gyrloser if you do stuff this game.

[Gyrlander]

Drizzt has only posted 2 posts with one line of text and you are saying that his mindset is completely related to mafia? I think we're assumming things too fast Calix.

(or Snorlax)

[Snorlax]

Drizzt has only posted 2 posts with one line of text and you are saying that his mindset is completely related to mafia? I think we're assumming things too fast Calix.

(or Snorlax)

Yes.

His second post is completely irrelevant to my argument.

This isn't as dumb as you think it is. It only takes one post which doesn't make sense for town to make to make someone scum.

So unless someone counters my points, I expect sheeping, not "he hasn't posted enough" comments.

[Unknown1234]

Really Quick, that was a terrible reaction. Reactive scum-read of someone who is pushing you...after you said that "reactive play is usually scummy"

Brilliant.

I think that was the highlight to my morning. "I'm not wrong Calix, you're wrong!!" *over dramatisizes the situation* *votes*

To answer your question, I found the argument that SecondLynch and Quick had to be more town favouring for Quick to me. The quotes you took from Quick to me felt more conflicting because of how he usually communicates his thoughts, and so reinforcing that every possible option was there didn't really catch my eye. I do think that this argument with you was awful though, not much to say there.

[Unknown1234]

Okay so i have 15 minutes to compose something before my dryer goes off, and then I'm going to bed.

So,150 posts in and we have this:

Snorlax self proclaims themselves to be town leader
Stereo being town read for being a noob
Yuki being Yuki
Death worlds setup speculating
SecondLynch analyzing everything
Eggy actually making logical sense
Unknown countering the logical sense
Quick is just chilling
and uh oh yah
drizzt making mod speculation (in the real game this & that & so on)

did i miss anything? i think i got everyone

oh no wait

Gyrlander decided not to post sheep.


Quick

too much chilling

I've seen a more interactive Quick, he may be busy and so on but his posts don't stick out for me so far.
while reading through out the day going along with the things I had to do, everyone left some sort of impression, Quicks was that he was just chilling and kinda hanging on the outside of the game.

anyways dryer literally just rang, my life as a proper female calls.

toodles

Mesk is fairly easy to read. This feels like town Mesk.

:sheep: :sheep:

[Snorlax]

I think that was the highlight to my morning. "I'm not wrong Calix, you're wrong!!" *over dramatisizes the situation* *votes*

To answer your question, I found the argument that SecondLynch and Quick had to be more town favouring for Quick to me. The quotes you took from Quick to me felt more conflicting because of how he usually communicates his thoughts, and so reinforcing that every possible option was there didn't really catch my eye. I do think that this argument with you was awful though, not much to say there.

Well why couldn't both of them be town? (at the time of you posting that comment) You sound like you thought it was some TvS fight.

Someone who says "well this is possible" without giving their own stance on it is suspicious to me. I remember him making a flawed town-read on SL but I don't recall any of his other opinions.

[Unknown1234]

Well why couldn't both of them be town? (at the time of you posting that comment) You sound like you thought it was some TvS fight.

Someone who says "well this is possible" without giving their own stance on it is suspicious to me. I remember him making a flawed town-read on SL but I don't recall any of his other opinions.

I never particularly said SecondLynch was scum, but I did say that I thought Quick was more town then SecondLynch from the argument. SecondLynch makes it hard when his argument is impossible to argue with.

That being said, I don't remember the SL town-read that he had, but it's clear he acts poorly to people scum-reading him, and more approving when people town-read him. I still don't want to push away anything because right now for me this feels like a Secondpassing lynch where you think they are scum but you really don't know how to put their play as a read. I'll get back to you on this.

[Snorlax]

I never particularly said SecondLynch was scum, but I did say that I thought Quick was more town then SecondLynch from the argument. SecondLynch makes it hard when his argument is impossible to argue with.

That being said, I don't remember the SL town-read that he had, but it's clear he acts poorly to people scum-reading him, and more approving when people town-read him. I still don't want to push away anything because right now for me this feels like a Secondpassing lynch where you think they are scum but you really don't know how to put their play as a read. I'll get back to you on this.

I always find NU easy to read so the h-y-d-r-a thing with SP will not be a problem. He's more subdued than normal but other than that, seems townie so far. I expect he won't be able to keep it up for long as scum unless he's actually improved his scum-play :laugh:

[Gyrlander]

I thought about voting him trying to :sheep: you but I've thought that Drizzt is a person that we don't know about him or his meta (plus he's new). Also, we should wait for him to answer your argument and see if he actually has a scum mindset or not.

[Snorlax]

I thought about voting him trying to :sheep: you but I've thought that Drizzt is a person that we don't know about him or his meta (plus he's new). Also, we should wait for him to answer your argument and see if he actually has a scum mindset or not.

If you agree with my points, you should sheep me to back it up and force him to respond. He only has one vote so far and your current vote is RVS.

[Gyrlander]

If you agree with my points, you should sheep me to back it up and force him to respond. He only has one vote so far and your current vote is RVS.

I'm pretty sure that after he comes to read this he will answer even if I sheep you or not.

[Snorlax]

I'm pretty sure that after he comes to read this he will answer even if I sheep you or not.

All I'm seeing is excuses to not vote for someone who a) you're not town-reading and b) who isn't a RVS option.

[Unknown1234]

Snorlax you lost your vote.

[Snorlax]

I forgot that the system messes with your vote if you quote someone else's vote -_-

Drizzt

[SecondLynch]

This is long, and there isn't a lot that is responsible to.

Why did you overthink your read on Calix so much? She plays completely different when she's scum and it's easy to catch on to.

Evaluating all possible scenarios =/= Overthinking. Also, it wasn't a read, it was evaluating her town leader claim to get a feel of her alignment.

By the way, NU is making this post and was making yesterday's posts. Not SP like you thought initially, he is currently busy with IRL. I'm paranoid with Calix since BFN.

Calix isn't easy to read. She cannot be meta-read (I tried to), her posts and playstyle are the same as both alignments. That's why you have to analyze the posts she makes in this specific game.


My sheep post has nothing to do with me sheeping, and if it did why would me saying this make me seem scummy or dumb to you? It was me relating to the last game where I posted a sheep and it made me like Sheeps more. Think it was BFN maybe.

x


I don't like how people are analyzing Stereo. Saying "let's lynch the scum" is the exact definition of trying to look town too much, and I didn't feel all too strongly about it. I wouldn't think a huge amount about it, but it seems like an easy chance to manipulate someone new with less knowledge.

Where do you make the distinction between trying to look town too much and genuinely looking town? His opening post was genuine and direct. I liked it. Scum would want to make things complex usually, no?


How do my questions even compare to the last game? Fairly certain I didn't openly ask questions to "try to scum-hunt" last game.

I would have to re-read GoT for that matter.


You are talking odd Secondpassing. Almost as if you pre-planned to turn on me using past game "feelings" as your ammunition.

Does it make more sense now that you know that NU was the one making the posts?

[Gyrlander]

All I'm seeing is excuses to not vote for someone who a) you're not town-reading and b) who isn't a RVS option.

All I'm doing is being cautious with my decisions and not get into assumptions immediately.

[SecondLynch]

you cant vote to pressure if you just clearly stated you will not allow yourself to be part of a lynch D1 no one will take your vote seriously because they know you willove it before they are lynched. unknown1234

Good point.


Unless we're unlucky and got a serial killer. Then tomorrow at least SK could stab a mafia.

Who do think has the most chance of flipping scum as of now?


deathworlds is a town-read for me. I will cover this when I remember what I was going to say.

Giving a town-read from his setup spec. >_>


Funny. In the real game its usually always someone bs'ing about being new. I'm not sure this is an exception.

For the love of God, please don't call that shitfest SC2 mafia is "the real game".

[Snorlax]

All I'm doing is being cautious with my decisions and not get into assumptions immediately.

There is literally no risk to putting Drizzt at L-5, rofl.

You have not explained how he is town.

You have not explained how your RVS vote is better than a Drizzt vote.

You have not explained how anyone else is a better option than Drizzt.

You have stalled voting for a viable target for flimsy reasons.

[Gyrlander]

There is literally no risk to putting Drizzt at L-5, rofl.

You have not explained how he is town.

You have not explained how your RVS vote is better than a Drizzt vote.

You have not explained how anyone else is a better option than Drizzt.

You have stalled voting for a viable target for flimsy reasons.

You're misrepping me to legendary limits. I just don't think what you think: the 2 posts that he has can be understood in many ways and in my case I don't know that that's enough to put them on the "scum" part. If my thinking is not as "brave" as yours it is not my problem and if I refuse to sheep you you should accept it and relax.

[SecondLynch]

Okay so i have 15 minutes to compose something before my dryer goes off, and then I'm going to bed.

So,150 posts in and we have this:

Snorlax self proclaims themselves to be town leader
Stereo being town read for being a noob
Yuki being Yuki
Death worlds setup speculating
SecondLynch analyzing everything
Eggy actually making logical sense
Unknown countering the logical sense
Quick is just chilling
and uh oh yah
drizzt making mod speculation (in the real game this & that & so on)

did i miss anything? i think i got everyone

oh no wait

Gyrlander decided not to post sheep.


[vote] Quick [/vote

too much chilling

I've seen a more interactive Quick, he may be busy and so on but his posts don't stick out for me so far.
while reading through out the day going along with the things I had to do, everyone left some sort of impression, Quicks was that he was just chilling and kinda hanging on the outside of the game.

anyways dryer literally just rang, my life as a proper female calls.

toodles

This is just a summary of what happened -- you make no conclusion to anybody's alignment. What would everyone's alignment be based on this?


fuck you


i find it strange that you will not be part of a lynch but tell us to go crazy? saying you don't want to be an "accomplice" as if by not voting you dont get any blame for a potential mislynch. to me this seems pretty scummy and comes off as a way to avoid responsibility but it may also just be noob behavior so Im not sure yet.

Fairly confident this is town!Eggy. He's being proactive rather than reactive which is the main trait of his scumplay.

His interaction with Stereo reminds me of his interaction with yzb in GoT when yzb proposed Eggy as a PL. (He was town)


If you guys are using acronyms I'd love if there were a list so I know what you are saying.
A short list of the main acronyms:
PL - Policy lynch (Lynching an inactive slot)
SR - Scum-read
TR- Town-read
TPR - Town Power Role
NAI/AI - [Not] Alignment indicative
ISO - Filtering someone's posts to read them.
VCA - Vote Count Analysis
EoD - End of day
PoE - Process of elimination
ML - Mislynch
MYLO - Mislynch or lose
LYLO - Lynch or lose

[Snorlax]

You're misrepping me to legendary limits. I just don't think what you think: the 2 posts that he has can be understood in many ways and in my case I don't know that that's enough to put them on the "scum" part. If my thinking is not as "brave" as yours it is not my problem and if I refuse to sheep you you should accept it and relax.

I haven't misrepresented your position anywhere, dear.

"the two posts that he has can be understood in many ways" - SUCH AS WHAT? I've been asking for people to counter me. You are implying that there are other explanations. Why are you not telling me these 'many ways' then??

And how are these 'many explanations' that you allude to a more compelling case than mine?

[SecondLynch]

Yo my dudes.

To everyone who thinks people are being town-read solely for being noob, allow me to break down why Drizzt's opening post is sketchy as fuck.



His first impulse is to make an excuse for why his lack of posting is not a scum tell!

This should be setting off a million alarm bells, people. Why?

He is trying to make himself less suspicious before anyone is suspecting him.

He is trying to defend himself before he has anyone accusing him. This is 100% something that only makes sense from a mafia mindset. Scum KNOW that they are guilty and feel compelled to overcompensate for this knowledge.

Furthermore, he's self-aware of the fact that lurking is considered a scum tell and instead of trying to rectify that, he makes excuses for why he won't post much. This is not someone who cares about contributing to the town.

Not to mention the tone - it's obvious that he's worried about how others will perceive him. (why else would his first post be defending himself from accusations of lurking scum?)

Contrast this with Stereo's opening. He says he is new...but is NOT using his newb status to undermine his contributions which is exactly what Drizzt is doing.

Town have NO incentive to undermine their posts from the get-go and thus Drizzt cannot be town.

[vote]Drizzt[/vote

I mean, it's a very drastic conclusion to make from one post. I agree with your point, as it's exactly what I had done as scum in Politico, but saying he "cannot be town" is stretching it.



I've skimmed through the Calix/Quick interaction. I've never seen Calix so confident and so full of herself. Her ego is off the charts, she is already expecting the town to sheep her to lynch Drizzt.
This makes me think she is town -- I've only seen town be so sure about a lynch (Eggy in BFN, me in IC-BFN-GoT, DB in GoT, [Blackmailed by OGC], Calix in Politico-IC).

[Snorlax]

This isn't relevant to this particular game, but when there's a rule for "no OGC" it means no OGC.

It does not mean "allude to ongoing games to make a dumb point in a different game especially when you had other examples to support your point"

No talking about ongoing games, you moron-a-thon. Full stop.

[Snorlax]

I probably should have used my main to make that an official warning.

Anyway I'm off for most of the afternoon/ evening.

Cheers.

- Calix

[SecondLynch]

Last post for me before I turn in.

The points brought against Drizzt are very strong, and I feel the same. However, instead of lynching him, if its available to us we should definitely have someone investigate him. He's either scum as you say, or feigning ignorance so the Mafia ignores him.
Dude, this is a completely different game from RNG-TPR-heavy mod mafia. Do not ever replicate your mod play here. In the mod, the bad players only lynch when an investigative role has a lead or when the good players (DUCK and I) fake-claim sheriff and lynch whoever acts/talks like a mafia.

In FM, you have to play the latter style. The scum-tells people say ARE your leads. You never even know if there is an investigative role.


If he's Citizen, I don't see a reason for him to just come out and say it now. If this behavior of his continues into the next day(and there's nothing that clears him), I will have to put my vote on him on Day 2.

No, he shouldn't. What makes you think he should?

This is either a noob town post or a scum TPR hunting by PoE...



Now that I think about it, the worst possible situation for him is to get any of the neutral roles. It is possible Drizzt is the neutral wanting to remain inconspicuous. He is isolated, has no team, and is fair game for everyone.

Why did you feel the need to say this?


Quick isn't putting me off, but he's not putting me on. He's a step above Gyrlander for me, who I feel has not contributed anything of substance as of this moment. There's just nothing to read from him. Quick has at least been giving us discussion.

Gyrlander's always like that.

Contribution=/=AI.

[Unknown1234]

Evaluating all possible scenarios =/= Overthinking. Also, it wasn't a read, it was evaluating her town leader claim to get a feel of her alignment.

By the way, NU is making this post and was making yesterday's posts. Not SP like you thought initially, he is currently busy with IRL. I'm paranoid with Calix since BFN.

Calix isn't easy to read. She cannot be meta-read (I tried to), her posts and playstyle are the same as both alignments. That's why you have to analyze the posts she makes in this specific game.



x



Where do you make the distinction between trying to look town too much and genuinely looking town? His opening post was genuine and direct. I liked it. Scum would want to make things complex usually, no?



I would have to re-read GoT for that matter.



Does it make more sense now that you know that NU was the one making the posts?

Why list all possibilities? Everyone should know that every scenario is possible.

Dude, you messed up, who cares? You don't need to get all "I can't read Calix anymore so I need to go into full try hard mode and examine her fully" reads won't be perfect every game, just don't go around saying "Calix is conf town cuz she's Calix".

Calix IS easy to read, well for me anyways. Her scum play was completely different from her town play. She put less effort in, she was talking weirder and her cases were way too opportunistic.

Point aside, Calix is not your only issue.

:sheep: :sheep:


Why would somebody say "let's lynch scum" those were my words (not exactly) in my first game and I said such to look more town. I don't see why somebody needs to state they need to lynch scum rather then just doing it.

If you are saying my play is similar to my game as scum, you should know how my scum play was. ^-^

No, LMAO. It doesn't matter who posted it, to me it still feels like you planned to attack me regardless. You haven't successfully read me yet, and conveniently the only one you have been focused intently on reading is Calix. Keep that in mind.

[Unknown1234]

Good point.



Who do think has the most chance of flipping scum as of now?



Giving a town-read from his setup spec. >_>



For the love of God, please don't call that shitfest SC2 mafia is "the real game".

I hope your good point is sarcasm.

To me, when you don't have a lot to work with at this point, I don't see why scum would have done that because they don't care about clarity of the town roles. I'm sticking by my town-read on DW for now.

[Unknown1234]

You're misrepping me to legendary limits. I just don't think what you think: the 2 posts that he has can be understood in many ways and in my case I don't know that that's enough to put them on the "scum" part. If my thinking is not as "brave" as yours it is not my problem and if I refuse to sheep you you should accept it and relax.

If you don't find it scummy, then that is fine. What is important is what you DO find scummy, which as far as I've seen that is nothing.

[Unknown1234]

Dude, this is a completely different game from RNG-TPR-heavy mod mafia. Do not ever replicate your mod play here. In the mod, the bad players only lynch when an investigative role has a lead or when the good players (DUCK and I) fake-claim sheriff and lynch whoever acts/talks like a mafia.

In FM, you have to play the latter style. The scum-tells people say ARE your leads. You never even know if there is an investigative role.



No, he shouldn't. What makes you think he should?

This is either a noob town post or a scum TPR hunting by PoE...




Why did you feel the need to say this?



Gyrlander's always like that.

Contribution=/=AI.

I have to go quickly, but two points here.

1.) he didn't say Citizen should reveal, you failed to read the post you criticized him on.

2.) you just gave Gyrlander a free pass to do nothing AGAIN.

[SecondLynch]

I probably should have used my main to make that an official warning.

Anyway I'm off for most of the afternoon/ evening.

Cheers.

- Calix

Has Iced even posted yet?


I always find NU easy to read so the h-y-d-r-a thing with SP will not be a problem. He's more subdued than normal but other than that, seems townie so far. I expect he won't be able to keep it up for long as scum unless he's actually improved his scum-play :laugh:

That's the argument DB used to lynch me in GoT. zzz


I like how you mention JUST me and not anyone else that has done as much as me, or less. Very interesting. Trying to follow the typical "omg Gyrlander is such a non-contributive player" that anyone else blindly?

You make a good point, I am not sure why Stereo only named you when Mesk, Yuki, Char, Dezkai, and Drizzt have done anything more than you did. It's shade-throwing at worst, oblivious at best.


I am assuming that this is the mod side of you talking here. I don't play it myself but others like Unknown, DW, Gyrlander, etc do so I'm not worried about being wrong here.

I'm frankly disappointed that you didn't name me here. I'm #1.


This isn't relevant to this particular game, but when there's a rule for "no OGC" it means no OGC.

It does not mean "allude to ongoing games to make a dumb point in a different game especially when you had other examples to support your point"

No talking about ongoing games, you moron-a-thon. Full stop.

Remember when I told you it would be an honor to be your first ban? >:D

Seriously though, my mistake, it won't happen again.


I always find NU easy to read so the h-y-d-r-a thing with SP will not be a problem. He's more subdued than normal but other than that, seems townie so far. I expect he won't be able to keep it up for long as scum unless he's actually improved his scum-play :laugh:

That's exactly why DB MLed me in Got, zzz.

[Drizzt]

Last post for me before I turn in.

The points brought against Drizzt are very strong, and I feel the same. However, instead of lynching him, if its available to us we should definitely have someone investigate him. He's either scum as you say, or feigning ignorance so the Mafia ignores him. If he's Citizen, I don't see a reason for him to just come out and say it now. If this behavior of his continues into the next day(and there's nothing that clears him), I will have to put my vote on him on Day 2.

Now that I think about it, the worst possible situation for him is to get any of the neutral roles. It is possible Drizzt is the neutral wanting to remain inconspicuous. He is isolated, has no team, and is fair game for everyone.

Quick isn't putting me off, but he's not putting me on. He's a step above Gyrlander for me, who I feel has not contributed anything of substance as of this moment. There's just nothing to read from him. Quick has at least been giving us discussion.

I am citizen.

[deathworlds]

I am citizen.

???? More on this after I get home from schooling.

[Drizzt]

There are two possibilities. Either I am telling the truth that I'm new to forum mafia and thus my posts are that of a naive player; or, I am an experienced player who is feigning ignorance in an attempt at subterfuge. Either way, the immediate response from people may give insight on their role.

For now, let me amend my previous statemente wiith, "I claim the role of citizen."

[SecondLynch]

Why list all possibilities? Everyone should know that every scenario is possible.

I didn't list them -- I analyzed all of them to see which scenario was possible and which wasn't. VERY different.


Dude, you messed up, who cares? You don't need to get all "I can't read Calix anymore so I need to go into full try hard mode and examine her fully" reads won't be perfect every game, just don't go around saying "Calix is conf town cuz she's Calix".

Hmm? I didn't give her a free pass because I couldn't read her. I had given her a free pass for absolutely no reason.


Calix IS easy to read, well for me anyways. Her scum play was completely different from her town play. She put less effort in, she was talking weirder and her cases were way too opportunistic.

I've read FF VII and another ***** game in which she was scum, and her scum play was pretty subtle. I feel like I need to analyze the motivation behind her posts, because her play style is the same scum/town.


Point aside, Calix is not your only issue.

Right, I town-read her for now.

:sheep: :sheep:



Why would somebody say "let's lynch scum" those were my words (not exactly) in my first game and I said such to look more town. I don't see why somebody needs to state they need to lynch scum rather then just doing it.


It's nonetheless the feel I got from his opener. His last few posts, however, were much less towny than his first ones. His whole "let's wait for an invest to check this guy" narrative made me think that he was mafia and that he knows that there is a framer on his team. This would make sense as he doesn't want a D1 lynch neither.


If you are saying my play is similar to my game as scum, you should know how my scum play was. ^-^

Right now I'm more edging towards you being town because you seem more abrasive and proactive than last time around. For me you're an easy read on D2/D3, so I'm not too worried about you anyways.


No, LMAO. It doesn't matter who posted it, to me it still feels like you planned to attack me regardless. You haven't successfully read me yet, and conveniently the only one you have been focused intently on reading is Calix. Keep that in mind.

"Attack you"? What makes you say that? Your opener was shady at best, scummy at worst, of course I'm going to point it out.

You are throwing shade on us saying that we were going to pick on you when you never said that in the previous games. I've always called you out for shitty play, and it's opportunistic for you to say that I'm attacking you this time but not the other times.

How is me trying to read Calix convenient? Calix claimed town leader, it is needed for everyone to read her to know if you can trust her. It's bugger all convenient. Also, I've been trying to read everybody else, Calix just happened to be the one with the most substance at the time I made the post.

Shade throw.

[SecondLynch]

I hope your good point is sarcasm.

To me, when you don't have a lot to work with at this point, I don't see why scum would have done that because they don't care about clarity of the town roles. I'm sticking by my town-read on DW for now.

It wasn't sarcasm.

You are town-reading someone because he asked questions about the town roles? WHATTTTT? Is that how simple it is to be town-read for you?
It's really not how it works, anybody can ask questions about any role. Most of the setup spec is NAI discussion unless scum TMIs. Look at IC, I had plenty of setup spec discussion about the neutral role, yet I was a Tribesman. It's NAI, you are really giving out a free TR.

[SecondLynch]

There are two possibilities. Either I am telling the truth that I'm new to forum mafia and thus my posts are that of a naive player; or, I am an experienced player who is feigning ignorance in an attempt at subterfuge. Either way, the immediate response from people may give insight on their role.

For now, let me amend my previous statemente wiith, "I claim the role of citizen."

There is not the point -- your first post was you giving your newbness as an excuse to be bad this game so that anybody who sr you would go "Oh, but he's newb, let's give him a pass". You are undermining your post from your opener. Everybody believes that you are new, nobody thinks you are experienced: it shows in your posts.


I have to go quickly, but two points here.

1.) he didn't say Citizen should reveal, you failed to read the post you criticized him on.

2.) you just gave Gyrlander a free pass to do nothing AGAIN.

1) He did, you failed to read it.

2) Wrong. I said that he was always like that, it was NAI for him. Stereo cannot base his reads off of Gyrlander. I'm not encouraging Gyrlander to do jack shit again.

I am citizen.

DUDE, you are at L-6? Why the fuck are you role-claiming? Defend yourself against Calix's points, role-claiming doesn't make her points any less valid, zzz.

Second citizen claim in less then 24 hours, you guys are making it easy for the scum.

Some people just gotta stick to the mod, seriously.

[SecondLynch]

It's worth a shot.

Drizzt

[Yukitaka Oni]

I am citizen.
Gg

[Gyrlander]

Who claimed Citizen appart from Drizzt?

[Yukitaka Oni]

There are two possibilities. Either I am telling the truth that I'm new to forum mafia and thus my posts are that of a naive player; or, I am an experienced player who is feigning ignorance in an attempt at subterfuge. Either way, the immediate response from people may give insight on their role.

For now, let me amend my previous statemente wiith, "I claim the role of citizen."
More like letting mafia know that you're useless in the night so they can pick another target more easily and you help nobody in the night action

[Yukitaka Oni]

Who claimed Citizen appart from Drizzt?
Consider Drizzt is
Dead

[SecondLynch]

Who claimed Citizen appart from Drizzt?

Why do you care to know?

Is that all you have to say about the game? What are your thoughts on Drizzt and Calix specifically?


Consider Drizzt is
Dead

>"Consider Drizzt dead."
>Don't vote Drizzt.

[Yukitaka Oni]

God damn it. Ya all went full nuclear (crazy) and accused each other randomly without knowing this is what mafia want.....confusing the vote...
Chill the fuck out and have a tea. Think twice before pick a target to scum-hunt

[Yukitaka Oni]

Why do you care to know?

Is that all you have to say about the game? What are your thoughts on Drizzt and Calix specifically?



>"Consider Drizzt dead."
>Don't vote Drizzt.
This ain't dictatorship. Not all people you think who does not have a same idea with you is your enemy

[Yukitaka Oni]

This ain't dictatorship. Not all people you think who does not have a same idea with you is your enemy
But yes it's true that now either that's a bold WIFOM or we really are losing one meat shield for Town Power Role (TPR)

[SecondLynch]

God damn it. Ya all went full nuclear (crazy) and accused each other randomly without knowing this is what mafia want.....confusing the vote...
Chill the fuck out and have a tea. Think twice before pick a target to scum-hunt

Ok, thanks for the scum-hunting tips. It's an honor for me to receive Yuki The Great Scum-Hunter's advice on what I should be doing to find the scum.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Yeah. No. What mafia wants is what you are proposing: Town sitting back and having a tea while they lurk their way to victory.

Now answer this for me:
o Why do you consider Drizzt dead? What do you think of his claim, the timing of his claim, and his posts?
o What do you think of the Calix-Quick/Quick-NU deabate?
o What do you think of Unknown-NU?

[SecondLynch]

But yes it's true that now either that's a bold WIFOM or we really are losing one meat shield for Town Power Role (TPR)

wat

How was Drizzt's claim WIFOM? Do you believe his claim?

WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me

[Yukitaka Oni]

But yes it's true that now either that's a bold WIFOM or we really are losing one meat shield for Town Power Role (TPR)


wat

How was Drizzt's claim WIFOM? Do you believe his claim?

WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me
Answer itself

[Yukitaka Oni]

Ok, thanks for the scum-hunting tips. It's an honor for me to receive Yuki The Great Scum-Hunter's advice on what I should be doing to find the scum.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Yeah. No. What mafia wants is what you are proposing: Town sitting back and having a tea while they lurk their way to victory.

Now answer this for me:
o Why do you consider Drizzt dead? What do you think of his claim, the timing of his claim, and his posts?
o What do you think of the Calix-Quick/Quick-NU deabate?
o What do you think of Unknown-NU?
What's the reason Drizzt is dead?
- The fact that he role claim day 1 show a lot of con
+Shitizen mission is to become a meat shield. Not to went nut like him
+Shitizen was supposed to be scum hunting, not defending himself
+By playing defensive (claim Shitizen) he ain't making sheriff/investigator job any easier because they will doubt he's a godfather. Even it's true that he's a Shitizen, he gain no trust
----> basically he become a ghost

[Yukitaka Oni]

What's the reason Drizzt is dead?
- The fact that he role claim day 1 show a lot of con
+Shitizen mission is to become a meat shield. Not to went nut like him
+Shitizen was supposed to be scum hunting, not defending himself
+By playing defensive (claim Shitizen) he ain't making sheriff/investigator job any easier because they will doubt he's a godfather. Even it's true that he's a Shitizen, he gain no trust
----> basically he become a ghost
Ghost = Dead

[SecondLynch]

What's the reason Drizzt is dead?
- The fact that he role claim day 1 show a lot of con
+Shitizen mission is to become a meat shield. Not to went nut like him
+Shitizen was supposed to be scum hunting, not defending himself
+By playing defensive (claim Shitizen) he ain't making sheriff/investigator job any easier because they will doubt he's a godfather. Even it's true that he's a Shitizen, he gain no trust
----> basically he become a ghost

I was already aware that his claim was a terrible one -- My question was: Do YOU believe his claim?

Also, those were left unanswered:
o What do you think of the Calix-Quick/Quick-NU debate?
o What do you think of Unknown-NU?

I have to go. I expect answers from Unknown, Gyrlander, Drizzt, Stereo, and Yuki when I get back (6-7 hours).

[Yukitaka Oni]

I was already aware that his claim was a terrible one -- My question was: Do YOU believe his claim?

Also, those were left unanswered:
o What do you think of the Calix-Quick/Quick-NU debate?
o What do you think of Unknown-NU?

I have to go. I expect answers from Unknown, Gyrlander, Drizzt, Stereo, and Yuki when I get back (6-7 hours).
50-50 doubt-trust

[Yukitaka Oni]

I was already aware that his claim was a terrible one -- My question was: Do YOU believe his claim?

Also, those were left unanswered:
o What do you think of the Calix-Quick/Quick-NU debate?
o What do you think of Unknown-NU?

I have to go. I expect answers from Unknown, Gyrlander, Drizzt, Stereo, and Yuki when I get back (6-7 hours).
Too many smurf account and player these day really confusing me. So yeah, trust no one

[Unknown1234]

Last post for me before I turn in.

The points brought against Drizzt are very strong, and I feel the same. However, instead of lynching him, if its available to us we should definitely have someone investigate him. He's either scum as you say, or feigning ignorance so the Mafia ignores him. If he's Citizen, I don't see a reason for him to just come out and say it now. If this behavior of his continues into the next day(and there's nothing that clears him), I will have to put my vote on him on Day 2.

Now that I think about it, the worst possible situation for him is to get any of the neutral roles. It is possible Drizzt is the neutral wanting to remain inconspicuous. He is isolated, has no team, and is fair game for everyone.

Quick isn't putting me off, but he's not putting me on. He's a step above Gyrlander for me, who I feel has not contributed anything of substance as of this moment. There's just nothing to read from him. Quick has at least been giving us discussion.

...

[Snorlax]

20 new posts and hardly anything interesting happened.


Calix IS easy to read, well for me anyways. Her scum play was completely different from her town play. She put less effort in, she was talking weirder and her cases were way too opportunistic.

You want to go into more detail here? "talking weirder" lolwut

And does this mean you are town-reading me this game? You keep saying "her scum play is different" but you haven't actually given a read on me.


There are two possibilities. Either I am telling the truth that I'm new to forum mafia and thus my posts are that of a naive player; or, I am an experienced player who is feigning ignorance in an attempt at subterfuge. Either way, the immediate response from people may give insight on their role.

For now, let me amend my previous statemente wiith, "I claim the role of citizen."

Given that you didn't even acknowledge my post, I'm going with "claimed a role early on so that people fuck off and don't vote for you"

However no Citizen would claim that early when it had already been decided that random-ass role claims were anti-town.

You are STILL not contributing. All you have done is say "my contributions are worthless because I'm new" and "I'm going to give town some useless and anti-town WIFOM with an unnecessary role claim" - THIS DOES NOT HELP TOWN IN ANY WAY.

TPR would not do this because a TPR would still be TRYING to contribute without sticking their neck out. You are just being disruptive with WIFOM.

Lynch this pls.

[Unknown1234]

It wasn't sarcasm.

You are town-reading someone because he asked questions about the town roles? WHATTTTT? Is that how simple it is to be town-read for you?
It's really not how it works, anybody can ask questions about any role. Most of the setup spec is NAI discussion unless scum TMIs. Look at IC, I had plenty of setup spec discussion about the neutral role, yet I was a Tribesman. It's NAI, you are really giving out a free TR.

If it wasn't sarcasm, then you wernt thinking the same way I was.

No, when I am making reads I am comparing it from town to scum. To me, that is way more of a town play then a scum play. Please shut up, you make everything in your posts an attack and you act way too cocky to even reply to. It gives me a headache.

That game is nowhere near the same. When you are playing with new roles, it's acceptable to be u sure of what to expect. But do tell, did you analyze every single town role? If you aren't very bright, I am not going to help you out here because then It has negative consequences. If you think it's poorly thought out, go right ahead and call my read shit, but DW is more town then scum to me.

[Yukitaka Oni]

20 new posts and hardly anything interesting happened.



You want to go into more detail here? "talking weirder" lolwut

And does this mean you are town-reading me this game? You keep saying "her scum play is different" but you haven't actually given a read on me.



Given that you didn't even acknowledge my post, I'm going with "claimed a role early on so that people fuck off and don't vote for you"

However no Citizen would claim that early when it had already been decided that random-ass role claims were anti-town.

You are STILL not contributing. All you have done is say "my contributions are worthless because I'm new" and "I'm going to give town some useless and anti-town WIFOM with an unnecessary role claim" - THIS DOES NOT HELP TOWN IN ANY WAY.

TPR would not do this because a TPR would still be TRYING to contribute without sticking their neck out. You are just being disruptive with WIFOM.

Lynch this pls.
Did you know that Mafia usually blame newbie to lynch?

[Snorlax]

Also note that Drizzt says that he wants an insight on ROLES, not alignments.

AKA he's TPR-hunting with a WIFOM Citizen claim.

I don't even know if this is a relevant semantics point but given the mountain of evidence against him, worth noting.

[Snorlax]

Did you know that Mafia usually blame newbie to lynch?

Is this you calling me Mafia for trying to lynch a new player?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Is this you calling me Mafia for trying to lynch a new player?
I could do the same thing to you. You know that?

[Snorlax]

Who claimed Citizen appart from Drizzt?

This tells us two things:

1. Gyrlander isn't reading the game closely enough to pick up on Cit Claim #1

2. Gyrlander's only thought when reading the chat was finding out role claims.

Combined with his unexplained hesitation for voting for Drizzt or literally anyone else but a RVS Mesk vote, this is bad.

[Snorlax]

I could do the same thing to you. You know that?

You didn't answer the question and your post makes no sense as I'm not new.

Post something coherent plox.

[Yukitaka Oni]

What's the reason Drizzt is dead?
- The fact that he role claim day 1 show a lot of con
+Shitizen mission is to become a meat shield. Not to went nut like him
+Shitizen was supposed to be scum hunting, not defending himself
+By playing defensive (claim Shitizen) he ain't making sheriff/investigator job any easier because they will doubt he's a godfather. Even it's true that he's a Shitizen, he gain no trust
----> basically he become a ghost


You didn't answer the question and your post makes no sense as I'm not new.

Post something coherent plox.
Your join date. Don't lie, you maybe a vet in other game. But on the forum, you're nothing more than newbie. And I can be an asshole and trying to lynch you with your logic: lynch newbie
+Basically you're not playing fair-play to newbie. Shame on you

[Unknown1234]

I didn't list them -- I analyzed all of them to see which scenario was possible and which wasn't. VERY different.



Hmm? I didn't give her a free pass because I couldn't read her. I had given her a free pass for absolutely no reason.



I've read FF VII and another ***** game in which she was scum, and her scum play was pretty subtle. I feel like I need to analyze the motivation behind her posts, because her play style is the same scum/town.



Right, I town-read her for now.

:sheep: :sheep:




It's nonetheless the feel I got from his opener. His last few posts, however, were much less towny than his first ones. His whole "let's wait for an invest to check this guy" narrative made me think that he was mafia and that he knows that there is a framer on his team. This would make sense as he doesn't want a D1 lynch neither.



Right now I'm more edging towards you being town because you seem more abrasive and proactive than last time around. For me you're an easy read on D2/D3, so I'm not too worried about you anyways.



"Attack you"? What makes you say that? Your opener was shady at best, scummy at worst, of course I'm going to point it out.

You are throwing shade on us saying that we were going to pick on you when you never said that in the previous games. I've always called you out for shitty play, and it's opportunistic for you to say that I'm attacking you this time but not the other times.

How is me trying to read Calix convenient? Calix claimed town leader, it is needed for everyone to read her to know if you can trust her. It's bugger all convenient. Also, I've been trying to read everybody else, Calix just happened to be the one with the most substance at the time I made the post.

Shade throw.

Every scenario is still possible, I don't know why or how you are eliminating roles Calix can be because it's a waste of time. You argue everything that isn't relevant for what purpose? To not be wrong.

Read the last point where I am mocking you. I never said you couldn't read her, but you can't because you were blindly giving her a free pass. You can't even say that you didn't even consider it because then I would actually feel bad for you.

I won't argue this.

Don't steal my sheep!

:sheep: :sheep:

Fair, and I didn't say you can't have this viewpoint, but I said that I disagree and I said why.

This is such a weak read, and I hope there is more then this otherwise I don't know why you town-read me.

It had NOTHING to do with being shady. Nothing that I said makes sense from a scum perspective because it's from my trolling perspective. You should be able to identify it.

No, I didn't say you planned before the game started to push me. My point about the argument was that when you came into the game, your argument against me was based on nothing and you kept to push it making it seems like you had planned with your teammate to push me regardless. This isn't something you can call throwing shade because if it's your argument then you clearly don't see it as that. It's a viewpoint. Also, given your play I have no idea why you are calling my play shitty except to piss me off, so it's really unneccesary. I know you will continue this but every single game we get into these arguments and it's not worth it.

Calix is always town-leader. The only game she wasn't town leader was last game where most of the time she wasn't even around. It wasn't hard to figure out, and it faded late game when she wasn't around as much.

You accomplish so much by saying "Shade Throw".

[Snorlax]

Your join date. Don't lie, you maybe a vet in other game. But on the forum, you're nothing more than newbie. And I can be an asshole and trying to lynch you with your logic: lynch newbie
+Basically you're not playing fair-play to newbie. Shame on you

Your argument is stupid and requires on relative time spans. I'm not picking on the newbies - I'm town-reading Stereo, so you're not paying attention.

Drizzt is being legitimately scummy, is trying to fish for roles using WIFOM...and the people defending him are using bad logic. I'm more convinced that he is a good lynch.

Finally, who gives a fuck about 'fair play'? I am town, Drizzt is scum. I'm playing to my win condition by trying to lynch him.

Explain how he's town or stop with the bizarre pseudo-chainsawing or whatever it is you're trying to achieve here.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Your argument is stupid and requires on relative time spans. I'm not picking on the newbies - I'm town-reading Stereo, so you're not paying attention.

Drizzt is being legitimately scummy, is trying to fish for roles using WIFOM...and the people defending him are using bad logic. I'm more convinced that he is a good lynch.

Finally, who gives a fuck about 'fair play'? I am town, Drizzt is scum. I'm playing to my win condition by trying to lynch him.

Explain how he's town or stop with the bizarre pseudo-chainsawing or whatever it is you're trying to achieve here.
Good luck lynch him. To me, he's nothing more than Jester to me

[Snorlax]

Unknown, the scum don't have a day chat. Why are you saying shit like "you planned to attack me with your team mate"? Read the setup.

Secondly, your argument is "NU is pushing me based on minor points" - did you forget the entirety of BFN? lol

[RLVG]

Stealth updates on setup after re-reading and noticing a few stupid stuff.

Also, green is usually a question to the host. If you're going to use green without it being a question, host may as well poke fun at it.
Yes.

[Snorlax]

Good luck lynch him. To me, he's nothing more than Jester to me

I don't give a fuck because I'm lynching him anyway. Hell no am I dealing with an endless WIFOM circle of "is he Jester or Mafia"?

Why does Jester grief scare you enough that you won't vote for him? Sounds Mafia-like.

[Eggy]

RVS vote is the oppostite of pressure voting Egg. Even when doing RVS votes, the point is to build up conversation. What do you gain from voting someone yet to speak? I'm sure you felt the pressure of one vote after you hadn't even spoken. Doorknob.

:sheep::sheep:

There was supposed to be a comma between pressure and rvs. either it was random or he decided to vote me specifically since I had not been active in hopes I would respond pretty sound logic if you ask me.

[Yukitaka Oni]

K then
I hate you v(x.o(< host

[Eggy]

Is this town insecure eggy or trying to improve scum eggy?

neither

[Yukitaka Oni]

I don't give a fuck because I'm lynching him anyway. Hell no am I dealing with an endless WIFOM circle of "is he Jester or Mafia"?

Why does Jester grief scare you enough that you won't vote for him? Sounds Mafia-like.
If you're Shitizen then go ahead. I won't stop you, but if jester killed a TPR. Then it's your own problem. I don't jump on any lynch train right now. Especially when there are 2 ghost who doesn't show up yet

[RLVG]

I hate you v(x.o(< host

Host got a hater! PogChamp

[Snorlax]

In fact, lynching a Jester is a great plan.

Two lynches for the price of one + no Neutral so the Mafia become 100% informed of everyone's alignments + anyone who dithers around with their votes because of fear of Jester grief is likely Mafia = A*

[Snorlax]

If you're Shitizen then go ahead. I won't stop you, but if jester killed a TPR. Then it's your own problem. I don't jump on any lynch train right now. Especially when there are 2 ghost who doesn't show up yet

1. This makes no sense for you to say.

2. Wouldn't it be your problem too if a TPR died?

[Drizzt]

/pokes head out of fox hole..."nope too much mud throwing going on, ima wait this out."

[Yukitaka Oni]

In fact, lynching a Jester is a great plan.

Two lynches for the price of one + no Neutral so the Mafia become 100% informed of everyone's alignments + anyone who dithers around with their votes because of fear of Jester grief is likely Mafia = A*
Then go ahead. Call a lynch mob on him. Let's the (non-show up) player hiding in the coroner for the rest of the game. I'm done with you, I don't care about that Shitizen claim anymore. I should focus on the greater task right now....