S-FM 210: Give or Take

[Calix]

Give or TakeS-FM 210

Setup link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35300-S-FM-Give-or-Take)

You have 72 hours to type onto your keyboards [see below] (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160824T22&p0=136&font=cursive)

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With 12 players alive, 7










Players
Roles
Graveyard


BananaCucho
Char Char the Charmeleon
DarknessB
Eggy
GameFreak
MattZed
Mesk514
MiniZed
Never Unlucky
secondpassing
Titus
yzb25
Sleuth
Backup Jailkeeper
Mafioso
Vigilante
Backup Sleuth
Jailkeeper
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
TBD




Day 1 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37668-S-FM-210-Give-or-Take?p=636254&viewfull=1#post636254)
Day 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37668-S-FM-210-Give-or-Take?p=637220&viewfull=1#post637220)
Day 3 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37668-S-FM-210-Give-or-Take?p=637527&viewfull=1#post637527)
Day 4 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37668-S-FM-210-Give-or-Take?p=638128&viewfull=1#post638128)





@BananaCucho (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=10111) @Char Char the Charmeleon (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28692) @DarknessB (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=11837) @Eggy (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28401) @GameFreak (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=1905) @MattZed (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=10188) @Mesk514 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28193) @MiniZed (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28432) @Never Unlucky (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=27959) @secondpassing (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=16431) @Titus (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=8790) @yzb25 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=8570)

[MattZed]

First.

Eggy

This man is scum too often. Murder him.

[Never Unlucky]

"The English are, I think the most obtuse and barbarous people in the world."

-Marie Henri Beyle

yzb25

[MattZed]

"The English are, I think the most obtuse and barbarous people in the world."

-Marie Henri Beyle

yzb25
Why the hell would you use comic sans? Have you no sense of decency?

[Never Unlucky]

Why the hell would you use comic sans? Have you no sense of decency?
yzb is British.

Comic Sans looks like shit. Comic Sans looks British. Using Comic Sans to talk to a Brit is the way to go.

[MattZed]

yzb is British.
I am a Citizen who will soft Jailkeeper to try to get myself killed.
Comic Sans looks like shit. Comic Sans looks British. Using Comic Sans to talk to a Brit is the way to go.

I hear you can communicate with the British merely by speaking English. However, be warned, they speak an odd dialect so foul and aberrant as to be almost incomprehensible. I'm surprised they aren't all locked up for their assault on good and natural language.

[GameFreak]

Hello beauties i'm home from work and i see i got home just in time for the game

[Eggy]

GameFreak

[MattZed]

Hello beauties i'm home from work and i see i got home just in time for the game
Excellent!

GameFreak, you were my trusted ally in FF7. Join me again and vote Eggy. His crimes will be exposed.

[GameFreak]

Yes Matt , since he voted me i have no other option but to defend myself and OMGUS him ! that'll show him.

(i actually don't remember FF7 )

[MattZed]

Yes Matt , since he voted me i have no other option but to defend myself and OMGUS him ! that'll show him.

(i actually don't remember FF7 )
It's that one where BananaCucho was scum but they had a tailor that made her look like sheriff when she died and it messed a lot of things up.

Actually, it was probably our most dumpster fire-y game this year.

You should show him, though.

[GameFreak]

OH i remember that game , you got lynched D1 and i was very angry and then i went out and got drunk and Calix got me lynched even though i roleclaimed the Super TPR.

Good times.

[Never Unlucky]

GameFreak

TPR or scum soft-claim 101.


Yes Matt , since he voted me i have no other option but to defend myself and OMGUS him ! that'll show him.

(i actually don't remember FF7 )

OMGUS works better with a vote. Try that.

[GameFreak]

Nope i was wrong , it was another game. But Calix still got me killed. Funny how that works

[GameFreak]

TPR or scum soft-claim 101.



OMGUS works better with a vote. Try that.

hmm i'll go even further Mesk514

i'll lynch his friends first.

[MattZed]

Let's get a discussion going:

Eggy - clear and obvious scum. Doesn't even bother to say anything with his random vote, except to place it. A man with no avatar, who clearly wants to slip under everyone's radar. Possible TPR laying low, but I don't buy it.
DarknessB - saw the thread, but decided not to post. Scummy. Waiting in the background for something to nitpick while he can look innocent.
yzb25 - British, and unlikely to be on the same team as Never Unlucky, who seems town-aligned by initiating conversation early.
GameFreak - I had originally suspected they were town with their strong hippopotamus senses and early posting, but the refusal to vote Eggy, or anyone for that matter, gives me pause.
Char Char the Charmeleon - A new challenger, and hard to read at the moment.
secondpassing - we shall see.
Never Unlucky - a noble town who posts early to get the discussion going.
Titus - an experienced veteran who will no doubt allow his town colors to fly
MiniZed - Has never let me down before.
BananaCucho - will prove to be a valuable aid to town with her gosu skills
Mesk514 - is always town
MattZed - The proud leader of this town.

[GameFreak]

Another great readlist by Mattzed how can i possibly question it.

I've never seen Minized before though , who is he ? and are you telling me that during my break Mesk still hasnt been mafia.

[MattZed]

Another great readlist by Mattzed how can i possibly question it.

I've never seen Minized before though , who is he ? and are you telling me that during my break Mesk still hasnt been mafia.
I am uncertain if this is town GameFreak being a good pal and playing a long, or scum GameFreak laughing awkwardly and hoping that my surprisingly accurate readlist will fade away.

Mesk being town is an eternal truth. Calix would never alter this.

[yzb25]

"The English are, I think the most obtuse and barbarous people in the world."

-Marie Henri Beyle

yzb25

SEE YUKI?!?! I TOLD YOU THE BRITISH ARE THE VICTIMS!!! CAN YOU SEE THIS?!?! CAN YOU?!?!

I SHALT PROTECT BRITANIA!!!

Never Unlucky

Join dis lynch train if Elizabeth The 2nd is ur waifu <3

[Never Unlucky]

Another great readlist by Mattzed how can i possibly question it.

I've never seen Minized before though , who is he ? and are you telling me that during my break Mesk still hasnt been mafia.

So you agree that you not placing your vote on Eggy though stating your intentions of OMGUSing him is suspicious, eh?

MiniZed = Unknown

Mesk actually rolled scum two games in a row. If she rolled scum this game, we'll say that she is always scum like her good friend Eggy, the man with no soul and no avatar. Her reputation of always being town is a thing of the past that only the Great Ones will remember.

[MattZed]

Oh wait, I forgot Calix can be host meta'd. She doesn't strictly random roles. No way she'd let all of the good players be on one team and steamroll the rest.

I figure Calix defines the "good" players to be BC and Titus, with perhaps DarknessB as well.

Titus
Titus, prove your worth to this town, if you are truly one of us. I doubt you and BC are on the same team.

[MattZed]

SEE YUKI?!?! I TOLD YOU THE BRITISH ARE THE VICTIMS!!! CAN YOU SEE THIS?!?! CAN YOU?!?!

I SHALT PROTECT BRITANIA!!!

Never Unlucky

Join dis lynch train if Elizabeth The 2nd is ur waifu <3
And then someone on my scumlist goes straight for the OMGUS?

This may be more accurate than I thought.

[Mesk514]

Let's get a discussion going:

Eggy - clear and obvious scum. Doesn't even bother to say anything with his random vote, except to place it. A man with no avatar, who clearly wants to slip under everyone's radar. Possible TPR laying low, but I don't buy it.
DarknessB - saw the thread, but decided not to post. Scummy. Waiting in the background for something to nitpick while he can look innocent.
yzb25 - British, and unlikely to be on the same team as Never Unlucky, who seems town-aligned by initiating conversation early.
GameFreak - I had originally suspected they were town with their strong hippopotamus senses and early posting, but the refusal to vote Eggy, or anyone for that matter, gives me pause.
Char Char the Charmeleon - A new challenger, and hard to read at the moment.
secondpassing - we shall see.
Never Unlucky - a noble town who posts early to get the discussion going.
Titus - an experienced veteran who will no doubt allow his town colors to fly
MiniZed - Has never let me down before.
BananaCucho - will prove to be a valuable aid to town with her gosu skills
Mesk514 - is always town
MattZed - The proud leader of this town.

Hai,

I'm in Jasper Alberta... 4 1/2 hours away from home. Will be at a computer around 10pm Mountain.

But uh... MattZed my dear friend...
If you're the leader of this town and I'm always town... does that make me your right hand woman this game?

[yzb25]

And then someone on my scumlist goes straight for the OMGUS?

This may be more accurate than I thought.

What OMGUSing?

Mattzed


Hai,

I'm in Jasper Alberta... 4 1/2 hours away from home. Will be at a computer around 10pm Mountain.

But uh... MattZed my dear friend...
If you're the leader of this town and I'm always town... does that make me your right hand woman this game?

What is Mesk's timezone?

[MattZed]

Hai,

I'm in Jasper Alberta... 4 1/2 hours away from home. Will be at a computer around 10pm Mountain.

But uh... MattZed my dear friend...
If you're the leader of this town and I'm always town... does that make me your right hand woman this game?
I'm not sure my girlfriend would like that.

...or maybe she would. I would have to ask. Let's not put labels on what we have, yet.

[Never Unlucky]

SEE YUKI?!?! I TOLD YOU THE BRITISH ARE THE VICTIMS!!! CAN YOU SEE THIS?!?! CAN YOU?!?!

I SHALT PROTECT BRITANIA!!!

Never Unlucky

Join dis lynch train if Elizabeth The 2nd is ur waifu <3

Google Translate detected this as 'gibberish', you were right, MattZed. This seemingly translates to, "I, mafioso of this town, will slaughter you to prove that we in fact are the most barbarous and obtuse people in the world! We will defend our Britney Spears, Queen of Britania!" What an odd dialect this is.

Do you think he understands English? Or should I communicate with him using GIFs like this?

http://i.giphy.com/8dFTGEdxRliRq.gif

[yzb25]

Real talk, we should start placing votes on Eggy 24 hours in if noone plays extra shit, because we should at least try to force him to post more than "vote and leave" like he does every other game.

[MattZed]

What OMGUSing?

Mattzed



What is Mesk's timezone?
You can't hide your insecurity with a vote. Rather, you expose it.

[yzb25]

Google Translate detected this as 'gibberish', you were right, MattZed. This seemingly translates to, "I, mafioso of this town, will slaughter you to prove that we in fact are the most barbarous and obtuse people in the world! We will defend our Britney Spears, Queen of Britania!" What an odd dialect this is.

Do you think he understands English? Or should I communicate with him using GIFs like this?

http://i.giphy.com/8dFTGEdxRliRq.gif

ARE YOU SAYING THE WAY I SPEAK IS BARBARIC?!?! WHAT IS BARBARIC ABOUT THIS, YOU FUCKING CUNT-FACED WANKING DICKHEAD?!?!

YOU WANNA FUCKING GO?!?! I'LL KICK YER FUKIN HED IN M8!!!

Oh, greetings cute one. That is a rather dapper outfit thou is wearing, in my humblest of opinions.

[Never Unlucky]

What OMGUSing?

Mattzed



What is Mesk's timezone?

7 hours behind your time.


Real talk, we should start placing votes on Eggy 24 hours in if noone plays extra shit, because we should at least try to force him to post more than "vote and leave" like he does every other game.

I'm curious to know why you specifically say that we should vote Eggy. Mesk's play is as shitty as Eggy's and is rarely beneficial to town if ever. Care to explain?

[yzb25]

You can't hide your insecurity with a vote. Rather, you expose it.

What insecurity?

[yzb25]

7 hours behind your time.



I'm curious to know why you specifically say that we should vote Eggy. Mesk's play is as shitty as Eggy's and is rarely beneficial to town if ever. Care to explain?

There's an argument for Mesk too, but in the one-day-game we could get her to talk without voting her. She's actually pretty cooperative, she just doesn't really contribute. Eggy barely talked until he was pressure voted. Even then he just roleclaimed and left.

I don't know all the players in this game well. There might be a better target, but if we can agree on an inactive target like right now then we can easily fall back on pressure lynching an inactive without it dragging out for an extra 24 hours and turning into a policy lynch.

Obviously if a real scumread comes up that takes priority, as I said.

[MattZed]

There's an argument for Mesk too, but in the one-day-game we could get her to talk without voting her. She's actually pretty cooperative, she just doesn't really contribute. Eggy barely talked until he was pressure voted. Even then he just roleclaimed and left.

I don't know all the players in this game well. There might be a better target, but if we can agree on an inactive target like right now then we can easily fall back on pressure lynching an inactive without it dragging out for an extra 24 hours and turning into a policy lynch.

Obviously if a real scumread comes up that takes priority, as I said.
It's never too early to make sure everyone agrees on who to eventually policy lynch, eh?

[yzb25]

There's an argument for Mesk too, but in the one-day-game we could get her to talk without voting her. She's actually pretty cooperative, she just doesn't really contribute. Eggy barely talked until he was pressure voted. Even then he just roleclaimed and left.


*In the Insanity game* Eggy barely talked until he was pressure voted.

[MiniZed]

Hi guys, I'm MiniZed. Friendly reminder that MattZed is the supreme ruler and should always be obeyed.

Titus

[Never Unlucky]

Unknown1234 You're viewing the thread from the wrong account. ^^


ARE YOU SAYING THE WAY I SPEAK IS BARBARIC?!?! WHAT IS BARBARIC ABOUT THIS, YOU FUCKING CUNT-FACED WANKING DICKHEAD?!?!

I'm glad you didn't assume my gender. You're up to date with the ambiguous 2016 gender-defining conflicts.
A modern barbarian, I see, I see.


YOU WANNA FUCKING GO?!?! I'LL KICK YER FUKIN HED IN M8!!!

No, I did not eat the last cookie. Wasn't me.

http://i.giphy.com/rpf0Du8NasK6Q.gif

Oh, greetings cute one. That is a rather dapper outfit thou is wearing, in my humblest of opinions.[/QUOTE]

:*

[MiniZed]

Hello beauties i'm home from work and i see i got home just in time for the game

Your first post didn't have a vote. Are you scared to look bad?

[MiniZed]

Unknown1234 You're viewing the thread from the wrong account. ^^



I'm glad you didn't assume my gender. You're up to date with the ambiguous 2016 gender-defining conflicts.
A modern barbarian, I see, I see.



No, I did not eat the last cookie. Wasn't me.

http://i.giphy.com/rpf0Du8NasK6Q.gif

Oh, greetings cute one. That is a rather dapper outfit thou is wearing, in my humblest of opinions.

:*[/QUOTE]

Do not ping Unknown. He will not reply.

[yzb25]

It's never too early to make sure everyone agrees on who to eventually policy lynch, eh?

Quite the reverse, my good man. If we can start the pressure vote 24 hours in, we can easily disassemble after another 24 hours and move to another target after another 24 hours. If we dillydally around and don't set up the pressure vote on an inactive until 48 hours in, we risk it turning into a PL.

Geddit?

[MiniZed]

ARE YOU SAYING THE WAY I SPEAK IS BARBARIC?!?! WHAT IS BARBARIC ABOUT THIS, YOU FUCKING CUNT-FACED WANKING DICKHEAD?!?!

YOU WANNA FUCKING GO?!?! I'LL KICK YER FUKIN HED IN M8!!!

Oh, greetings cute one. That is a rather dapper outfit thou is wearing, in my humblest of opinions.

Your tone is different from your past game as scum in IM. I think that means you might be town, but why so angry?

[MiniZed]

Hai,

I'm in Jasper Alberta... 4 1/2 hours away from home. Will be at a computer around 10pm Mountain.

But uh... MattZed my dear friend...
If you're the leader of this town and I'm always town... does that make me your right hand woman this game?

Why you not voting? Mesk never misses a good chance to vote someone.

Hmm..

[Mesk514]

Are you fucking stupid? When do you see me placing a policy lynch with less than 12 hours into a game. Jesus Christ, I'm gonna end up going over my data limit cause everyone here seems to know myself better than me. You're all idiots. I am mesk. Come try your luck.

[Never Unlucky]

Quite the reverse, my good man. If we can start the pressure vote 24 hours in, we can easily disassemble after another 24 hours and move to another target after another 24 hours. If we dillydally around and don't set up the pressure vote on an inactive until 48 hours in, we risk it turning into a PL.

Geddit?

>Presents the (potential) votes on Eggy as 'pressure votes'.
>Hopes that they'll pressure him enough for him to contribute.

Saying, "This is a pressure vote" doesn't apply any sort of pressure on the voted player. There's nothing for him to respond to with this type of vote.

Frankly, I don't know what could possibly make you think that Mesk is cooperative. From my experience she either lurks, insults me, or she mod-spams the thread (A bit like I did in the last two games :'c). Never have I seen her be cooperative.

Also, note to everyone, I'll be unavailable for the 11 hours preceding EoD (Might get my hands on a computer for 30 minutes tops, but that's if I'm lucky.). So, scum, please slip in the first 48 hours. Thanks.


Your tone is different from your past game as scum in IM. I think that means you might be town, but why so angry?

He's not angry, lol. Caps =/= Angry
Why you not voting? Mesk never misses a good chance to vote someone.

Hmm..

If I recall correctly, Mesk didn't RVS in IC (Town!Mesk) nor in BN (scum!Mesk). She doesn't always vote like you say she does.

[secondpassing]

Hello. I am late to the party. Is there a party? Then I am fashionable.

[yzb25]

Has Mattzed left mid-interrogation? That makes me kind of sad. I was expecting him to continue heh.


Unknown1234 You're viewing the thread from the wrong account. ^^



I'm glad you didn't assume my gender. You're up to date with the ambiguous 2016 gender-defining conflicts.
A modern barbarian, I see, I see.



No, I did not eat the last cookie. Wasn't me.

http://i.giphy.com/rpf0Du8NasK6Q.gif

Oh, greetings cute one. That is a rather dapper outfit thou is wearing, in my humblest of opinions.

:*[/QUOTE]

Ohhh you rascal :3


Your tone is different from your past game as scum in IM. I think that means you might be town, but why so angry?

Holy shit, how can you hear my tone? Please elaborate on what you've said if you can in regards to my tone, I'm interested.

The anger is just ironically being barbaric while claiming not to be barbaric. I'm a comedic genius, see?


Are you fucking stupid? When do you see me placing a policy lynch with less than 12 hours into a game. Jesus Christ, I'm gonna end up going over my data limit cause everyone here seems to know myself better than me. You're all idiots. I am mesk. Come try your luck.

Noone is proposing a PL less than 12 hours in, and noone is suggesting a PL on you, as far as I'm aware. I think you've misread something or I have. Care to use some quotes?

[MattZed]

Hello. I am late to the party. Is there a party? Then I am fashionable.
Why do you think you're late?

[secondpassing]

Actually, I am not at this party.

But mesk514 called me an idiot. That hurts. Like this vote Mesk514

Please refrain from using foul language fear yzb25. Is that your age? Twenty-five?

[secondpassing]

Why do you think you're late?
I'm twenty minutes late. Am I late to this party? Is there a party? I believe I was invited.

[MattZed]

Actually, I am not at this party.

But mesk514 called me an idiot. That hurts. Like this vote Mesk514

Please refrain from using foul language fear yzb25. Is that your age? Twenty-five?
Mesk sure is an easy target, isn't she?

[secondpassing]

Mesk sure is an easy target, isn't she?
Mmm. So am I. Why dost thou puteth I as "we shall see" in the reads list?

[MiniZed]

Are you fucking stupid? When do you see me placing a policy lynch with less than 12 hours into a game. Jesus Christ, I'm gonna end up going over my data limit cause everyone here seems to know myself better than me. You're all idiots. I am mesk. Come try your luck.

Why is it classified as a policy lynch? You don't always vote who you want pl'd but it starts discussion.

Why are you upset so soon?

[yzb25]

>Presents the (potential) votes on Eggy as 'pressure votes'.
>Hopes that they'll pressure him enough for him to contribute.

Saying, "This is a pressure vote" doesn't apply any sort of pressure on the voted player. There's nothing for him to respond to with this type of vote.

Frankly, I don't know what could possibly make you think that Mesk is cooperative. From my experience she either lurks, insults me, or she mod-spams the thread (A bit like I did in the last two games :'c). Never have I seen her be cooperative.

Also, note to everyone, I'll be unavailable for the 11 hours preceding EoD (Might get my hands on a computer for 30 minutes tops, but that's if I'm lucky.). So, scum, please slip in the first 48 hours. Thanks.


Saying "this is a pressure vote" still applies pressure, because it indicates you're priority lynch if you don't contribute some thoughts. Indeed, it is predicated on the threat of a PL, but if you do it early enough, you can transition out of it if your votee responds. If you do it too late, the votee can get PLed regardless. This happened in Insanity when we all switched to Eggy despite his BD claim.

^I've heard this argument about pressure lynches before, and it implies all pressure voting has to try and pretend it's not pressure voting, and hope the votee doesn't know it's just pressure. This is somewhat silly because 90% of the time everyone is aware of what votes are pressure votes, suggesting 90% are pointless. How do you see pressure votes?

In that one-day game when Kovath asked Mesk questions about her connections to Duck she actually responded and got back to us. She responded to some other stuff too. She even gave reads on everyone when pressed. I dunno if that's unusual for her, but she doesn't seem to be an uncooperative asshole, just a bit of an eccentric hothead :3.

[MiniZed]

Mesk sure is an easy target, isn't she?

When you need 7 votes, jumping to this conclusion so quickly is odd.

[yzb25]

Actually, I am not at this party.

But mesk514 called me an idiot. That hurts. Like this vote Mesk514

Please refrain from using foul language fear yzb25. Is that your age? Twenty-five?

I am sorry for making you uncomfortable, I won't do it again. Bad jokes aren't worth making if they make others feel worse :)

I'm 18, as of June 30th.

[Never Unlucky]

Actually, I am not at this party.

But mesk514 called me an idiot. That hurts. Like this vote Mesk514

Please refrain from using foul language fear yzb25. Is that your age? Twenty-five?

Careful not to sollicit 'Additional information' like his age. You may get punished for it...


I'm twenty minutes late. Am I late to this party? Is there a party? I believe I was invited.

An hour and twenty minutes late, my dear.

On another note, I do not like MiniZed's posts so far. His tone differs from his usual one and he is asking more pointless questions than usual.

[MiniZed]

Real talk, we should start placing votes on Eggy 24 hours in if noone plays extra shit, because we should at least try to force him to post more than "vote and leave" like he does every other game.

Perhaps update your sources, eggy did better in his last game as town.

Why in 24 hours? And why are you suggesting a policy lynch so early and on a specific target?

[secondpassing]

I am sorry for making you uncomfortable, I won't do it again. Bad jokes aren't worth making if they make others feel worse :)

I'm 18, as of June 30th.
Twas but a jest. I am a tolerable fellow. When the British hath spoke to me, I notice little difference.

You may call Never Unlucky as it shalt please you.

Doeth not as you must, doeth as you please.

[secondpassing]

Draw! Swords be drawn MiniZed-- and the night shalt fall with us knowing the victor.

[MiniZed]

Draw! Swords be drawn MiniZed-- and the night shalt fall with us knowing the victor.

What??

[yzb25]

Careful not to sollicit 'Additional information' like his age. You may get punished for it...



An hour and twenty minutes late, my dear.

On another note, I do not like MiniZed's posts so far. His tone differs from his usual one and he is asking more pointless questions than usual.

"Additional information"? You can get punished for that? I'm pretty sure I've seen forums posts dedicated to asking people's age, asking people's picture, and even asking people's personality subtype.

Please elaborate on Minized's questions being extra pointless. I mean, tell me which question is pointless and what makes it so useless it's worth pointing out, because at d1 start most questions are already pretty dead endish.

[Never Unlucky]

I am sorry for making you uncomfortable, I won't do it again. Bad jokes aren't worth making if they make others feel worse :)

I'm 18, as of June 30th.

I'm liking your personality so far. Nice to meet you, sir.
(inb4 "NU is buddying!" -- I'll tell people I like them if I do like them, it's NAI. It's just something I do. [ie Minotarr in Matrix, JealousTL in SGoS])


Perhaps update your sources, eggy did better in his last game as town.

No. Hell no. Your sources are up to date, yzb. Don't listen to this madman. He's out of his mind.


Why in 24 hours? And why are you suggesting a policy lynch so early and on a specific target?
Misrep.

Really not a fan of MiniZed. He's only asking others questions and not giving answers/opinions himself. This is one of the lines found in the 'Scumplay' definition.

[yzb25]

Perhaps update your sources, eggy did better in his last game as town.

Why in 24 hours? And why are you suggesting a policy lynch so early and on a specific target?

From the perspective of town, I could be a scum trying to lock down a hypothetical PL if we can't find someone better to scumread.

Also, if what Minized said is true and Eggy performs better now than he did in Insanity, my point is far more void.

In light of that, I'm happy to move the hypothetical "24 hour policy pressure" to whomever the bulk of the town deems fit.

What's important is that we organize a Policy Pressure in advance, because that would save time if we can't find anyone suspicious.

I don't see the strategic benefit to spending 24 hours building up a policy pressure if no good susp. target presents themselves. Any reads in regards to who we choose for the policy pressure can be done alongside proper scumreads, and we can be saved up to 24 hours. This is why I am presenting this idea.

[MiniZed]

Let's get a discussion going:

Eggy - clear and obvious scum. Doesn't even bother to say anything with his random vote, except to place it. A man with no avatar, who clearly wants to slip under everyone's radar. Possible TPR laying low, but I don't buy it.
DarknessB - saw the thread, but decided not to post. Scummy. Waiting in the background for something to nitpick while he can look innocent.
yzb25 - British, and unlikely to be on the same team as Never Unlucky, who seems town-aligned by initiating conversation early.
GameFreak - I had originally suspected they were town with their strong hippopotamus senses and early posting, but the refusal to vote Eggy, or anyone for that matter, gives me pause.
Char Char the Charmeleon - A new challenger, and hard to read at the moment.
secondpassing - we shall see.
Never Unlucky - a noble town who posts early to get the discussion going.
Titus - an experienced veteran who will no doubt allow his town colors to fly
MiniZed - Has never let me down before.
BananaCucho - will prove to be a valuable aid to town with her gosu skills
Mesk514 - is always town
MattZed - The proud leader of this town.

I don't really like this post when I consider it more. It appears to look as if you are contributing more then you actually are, and the fact you were able to put everyone somewhere on post #16 feels off.

[MiniZed]

I'm liking your personality so far. Nice to meet you, sir.
(inb4 "NU is buddying!" -- I'll tell people I like them if I do like them, it's NAI. It's just something I do. [ie Minotarr in Matrix, JealousTL in SGoS])



No. Hell no. Your sources are up to date, yzb. Don't listen to this madman. He's out of his mind.


Misrep.

Really not a fan of MiniZed. He's only asking others questions and not giving answers/opinions himself. This is one of the lines found in the 'Scumplay' definition.

If you keep up this self centred crap and cause pity fights then we won't get anywhere again. Eggy did better with his play and his explanations. Whether he was right on his reads or not he was able to explain them.

You seem to be playing like you normally do in terms of early pushing on yzb25, however I don't know why you are comparing my more recent game with this game when I was concussed and sick at the time. Do you expect me to play the same?

Also bothers me that last game people were so easily manipulated, don't feel like repeating that again.

[GameFreak]

Unknown you've changed in playstyle , and i don't mean the silly Minized thing. Its like you want to participate but you still suck at it.

[MiniZed]

Unknown you've changed in playstyle , and i don't mean the silly Minized thing. Its like you want to participate but you still suck at it.

It's page 4 there's barely anything to go off of.

That IS my point though, thank you for catching on to it. (Please don't refer to me as unknown though -_-) I'm trying to play better this game now that I'm in a better position and not dealing with buddying as much.

[Mesk514]

"If I recall correctly, Mesk didn't RVS in IC (Town!Mesk) nor in BN (scum!Mesk). She doesn't always vote like you say she does."

I think this is the smartest thing I've ever heard in this community.... OMG YOU'RE A FUCKING GENIUS (no sarcasm) DUDE LIKE HOLY SHIT, SOMEONE USED THIER FUCKING HEAD

[Never Unlucky]

"Additional information"? You can get punished for that? I'm pretty sure I've seen forums posts dedicated to asking people's age, asking people's picture, and even asking people's personality subtype.

Disregard that. I was taking subtle dicks at DB, zzz.


Please elaborate on Minized's questions being extra pointless. I mean, tell me which question is pointless and what makes it so useless it's worth pointing out, because at d1 start most questions are already pretty dead endish.

Whatever the master asks, the master gets.

Your first post didn't have a vote. Are you scared to look bad?

Why you not voting? Mesk never misses a good chance to vote someone.

Hmm..
Those two posts suggests that he thinks that participating in RVS is either AI or important. It’s neither. Him drawing attention to these two posts is pointless and offers nothing.


I don't really like this post when I consider it more. It appears to look as if you are contributing more then you actually are, and the fact you were able to put everyone somewhere on post #16 feels off.

Takes a post widely out of context -- MZ (The real one) wasn't trying to appear like he was contributing, but was instigating discussion. Ironically, he’s criticizing MZ for not contributing when he himself isn’t. #Calix


Your tone is different from your past game as scum in IM. I think that means you might be town, but why so angry?
Gives a reason that would make yzb a town-read but doesn’t get this conclusion, rather preferring to say ‘might be town’.

He also says that yzb was angry, when he clearly wasn’t, taken in context.


When you need 7 votes, jumping to this conclusion so quickly is odd.
Therefore…? No conclusion again.

MiniZed

[yzb25]

Going to bed, will respond to things in the morning.

Sorry for the delay, but if I talk when I'm tired bad things happen lol.

Cya! ;)

[Never Unlucky]

If you keep up this self centred crap and cause pity fights then we won't get anywhere again. Eggy did better with his play and his explanations. Whether he was right on his reads or not he was able to explain them.

What made you think that I was being self-centered? What 'pity fights' are you referring to?

No, Eggy's explanation to why he scum-read me was that I led 2 mislynches and changed my vote before EoD. Both points are the definition of NAI. That's not explaining a read.


You seem to be playing like you normally do in terms of early pushing on yzb25, however I don't know why you are comparing my more recent game with this game when I was concussed and sick at the time. Do you expect me to play the same?


I haven't pushed yzb at all so far. What makes you think that?

I never made reference to your previous game. Misrep+appeal to pity.


Also bothers me that last game people were so easily manipulated, don't feel like repeating that again.

Irrelevant.


It's page 4 there's barely anything to go off of.

People who don't have 50 posts per page LUL

[MiniZed]

Disregard that. I was taking subtle dicks at DB, zzz.



Whatever the master asks, the master gets.


Those two posts suggests that he thinks that participating in RVS is either AI or important. It’s neither. Him drawing attention to these two posts is pointless and offers nothing.



Takes a post widely out of context -- MZ (The real one) wasn't trying to appear like he was contributing, but was instigating discussion. Ironically, he’s criticizing MZ for not contributing when he himself isn’t. #Calix


Gives a reason that would make yzb a town-read but doesn’t get this conclusion, rather preferring to say ‘might be town’.

He also says that yzb was angry, when he clearly wasn’t, taken in context.


Therefore…? No conclusion again.

MiniZed

1.) It generates discussion. If you can't vote someone it reflects as if you don't want to have people against you or have anything to talk about. You can't start a game out of thin air.

My conclusion is town for now, but it's early into the game. You are picking on how I talk which isn't AI and has been done before and backfired completely.

Why does that add to your argument? If I misinterpreted a situation does that make me scum?

If I pointed it out, the obvious conclusion is that I think it's suspicious to see him trying to cast doubt on Secondpassing so early into this game.

Do you even read your own posts? I'm pretty sure your contribution isn't better then mine in the slightest.

[MattZed]

I don't really like this post when I consider it more. It appears to look as if you are contributing more then you actually are, and the fact you were able to put everyone somewhere on post #16 feels off.
Ah, mini-me, but I've accomplished my point, haven't I? Everyone's considered at least something based off of my list. I find it amusing how much pressure/PL suggestion Eggy has received while being at the top of the scumlist I made back then.

[MiniZed]

What made you think that I was being self-centered? What 'pity fights' are you referring to?

No, Eggy's explanation to why he scum-read me was that I led 2 mislynches and changed my vote before EoD. Both points are the definition of NAI. That's not explaining a read.



I haven't pushed yzb at all so far. What makes you think that?

I never made reference to your previous game. Misrep+appeal to pity.



Irrelevant.



People who don't have 50 posts per page LUL

Your digging at Darkness, your constant trashing of Eggy's play and the obvious anger you've brought into this game. It shows in your tone.

We are literally arguing about someone's play in a different game. I'm not going to continue this, but if yzb25 wants to meta read Eggy he can make his own opinion on how Eggy played last game.

You were commenting on his posts with earlier aggression about the previous voting posts. Why are you backing off of Interactiond with others?

You LITERALLY referenced my play saying my tone isn't consistent with it. I'm tired of being lazy all the Time and am actually trying.

This bothers me. You didn't question my OGC situations in previous games, why now?

It's not irrelevant, if I want to play better and not see the town be lead in endless mislynches then so be it.

Irrelevant.

[MiniZed]

Ah, mini-me, but I've accomplished my point, haven't I? Everyone's considered at least something based off of my list. I find it amusing how much pressure/PL suggestion Eggy has received while being at the top of the scumlist I made back then.

Feels like doubt casting and encouraging a policy lynch though. If we can get an actual agreed vote going then why would we want to consider policy lynching?

[Never Unlucky]

1.) It generates discussion. If you can't vote someone it reflects as if you don't want to have people against you or have anything to talk about. You can't start a game out of thin air.

And that has been done by MZ and I. There's no need for others to start RVS when the thread has been started and is rolling already. What discussion would Mesk's/GF's random vote generate at this point? None.


My conclusion is town for now, but it's early into the game. You are picking on how I talk which isn't AI and has been done before and backfired completely.

How people talk is AI. People slightly change the way they talk when they roll scum. You yourself have said that you town-read yzb for now because of his tone (How he talks).


Why does that add to your argument? If I misinterpreted a situation does that make me scum?

Ye good ol' question-defence. No answer to my point.


If I pointed it out, the obvious conclusion is that I think it's suspicious to see him trying to cast doubt on Secondpassing so early into this game.

So you see MZ pressuring/prodding SP as him trying to cast doubt on SP, mhh? Weird viewpoint.


Do you even read your own posts? I'm pretty sure your contribution isn't better then mine in the slightest.
Are you Jamie Benn? 'Cause that was a nice deflection.

^ Bad pun. Forgive me.

I am not trying to look like I am contributing. You are. If I'm not contributing and am trolling, I fully assume it. You don't.

[Never Unlucky]

Your digging at Darkness, your constant trashing of Eggy's play and the obvious anger you've brought into this game. It shows in your tone.

I've brought no anger into the game. I've had a civilized but trolly interaction with yzb and MZ, did a snarky comment on DB, and am starting to tunnel you. No anger involved. Tell me where I've been angry, Mr. Emotional.


You were commenting on his posts with earlier aggression about the previous voting posts. Why are you backing off of Interactiond with others?

I gave him my opinion on why I thought that his pressure voting ploy was logically flawed. I showed no agression in those posts unlike now.

I don't understand your question.


You LITERALLY referenced my play saying my tone isn't consistent with it. I'm tired of being lazy all the Time and am actually trying.

Yes, I did. I referred to your 'usual' play, not last game's play. Misrep.


This bothers me. You didn't question my OGC situations in previous games, why now?

What OGC?


It's not irrelevant, if I want to play better and not see the town be lead in endless mislynches then so be it.

It still is irrelevant. lol.

[Unknown1234]

And that has been done by MZ and I. There's no need for others to start RVS when the thread has been started and is rolling already. What discussion would Mesk's/GF's random vote generate at this point? None.



How people talk is AI. People slightly change the way they talk when they roll scum. You yourself have said that you town-read yzb for now because of his tone (How he talks).



Ye good ol' question-defence. No answer to my point.



So you see MZ pressuring/prodding SP as him trying to cast doubt on SP, mhh? Weird viewpoint.


Are you Jamie Benn? 'Cause that was a nice deflection.

^ Bad pun. Forgive me.

I am not trying to look like I am contributing. You are. If I'm not contributing and am trolling, I fully assume it. You don't.

I made that point when I was just starting the read and was going down the pages. Nobody commented on Mesk's either which is why I mentioned it there. Although it was a mistake, it was something I thought worth mentioning at the time,

But you fail to explain why my tone is any different then from previous games. On that note, you also avoid legitamate reasons as to why it may have changed label these as "pity" when these reasons weren't even mentioned in this game at first. You could have said I was looking for pity this game but you don't. Only now, which runs me the wrong way.

Your point is not phrased in a way that is easy to answer. You accuse me because I said "yzb might be town" when my point is the way I talk will be different from others. This was an argument from Calix last game, and the game before when I said I was "probably town". I don't know why these arguments are only being used for this game and how it's any different. It's not, and I can't change how I talk.

Why does my viewpoint seem weird? He was commenting on SP putting the second out of 7 votes on Mesk and labeled it "easy lynch". It doesn't make sense why he would consider this something suspicious and seems to be doing what he said SP was doing which was pushing an easy lynch.

You make it sound like I'm trying to look like I'm contributing as scum. Im trying to contribute right now, so obviously it is going to appear that way. I don't understand your argument.

[Never Unlucky]

Do not ping Unknown. He will not reply.

kk

[Unknown1234]

I've brought no anger into the game. I've had a civilized but trolly interaction with yzb and MZ, did a snarky comment on DB, and am starting to tunnel you. No anger involved. Tell me where I've been angry, Mr. Emotional.



I gave him my opinion on why I thought that his pressure voting ploy was logically flawed. I showed no agression in those posts unlike now.

I don't understand your question.



Yes, I did. I referred to your 'usual' play, not last game's play. Misrep.



What OGC?



It still is irrelevant. lol.

The argument being brought up is biased, so I am not going to continue it. Most people can see your snarky comments, but you aren't going to say you are mad regardless.

Aggression isn't always related to pushing. If you are questioning someone's motives you clearly think that they have a weird thought process. However, you labeled it as just flawed logic instead of pursuing it from a scum perspective. If you didn't think it was scummy then why would it matter if people's thoughts varied? That answers your next post.

I don't know what my "usual" play is. Provide examples or you are just trying to throw shade on me.

Question. Why do you say misrep so often? You say this so often every game to me (not just you though) and so I don't understand why it's being said as I've apparently done it as town every game.

My out of game situations, OOG not OGC. If I'm sick and have a concussion (which has been said before) then it isn't my fault. I'm not going to play the same as I did when I had little energy or motivation, and I said this in the previous games as well but this argument is only being used now which seems opportunistic.

No, you commented saying I am appearing to try when I'm not. If I have to explain that I'm trying there is no reason why I shouldn't say why I'm trying.

[Unknown1234]

This feels like arguing with Calix, and I don't want to start another one of these endless disputes that cancel discussion so I'm going to take a break.

[Calix]

Unknown1234 Please stick to using the account you signed up with and quote the posts from your main account to make it easier for players to ISO you.

[Unknown1234]

I actually can't play on another account.

[Calix]

I actually can't play on another account.

Save the dithering; pick an account and quote the posts from your other account. It is unfair for players who may wish to ISO you otherwise.

[MiniZed]

I made that point when I was just starting the read and was going down the pages. Nobody commented on Mesk's either which is why I mentioned it there. Although it was a mistake, it was something I thought worth mentioning at the time,

But you fail to explain why my tone is any different then from previous games. On that note, you also avoid legitamate reasons as to why it may have changed label these as "pity" when these reasons weren't even mentioned in this game at first. You could have said I was looking for pity this game but you don't. Only now, which runs me the wrong way.

Your point is not phrased in a way that is easy to answer. You accuse me because I said "yzb might be town" when my point is the way I talk will be different from others. This was an argument from Calix last game, and the game before when I said I was "probably town". I don't know why these arguments are only being used for this game and how it's any different. It's not, and I can't change how I talk.

Why does my viewpoint seem weird? He was commenting on SP putting the second out of 7 votes on Mesk and labeled it "easy lynch". It doesn't make sense why he would consider this something suspicious and seems to be doing what he said SP was doing which was pushing an easy lynch.

You make it sound like I'm trying to look like I'm contributing as scum. Im trying to contribute right now, so obviously it is going to appear that way. I don't understand your argument.



The argument being brought up is biased, so I am not going to continue it. Most people can see your snarky comments, but you aren't going to say you are mad regardless.

Aggression isn't always related to pushing. If you are questioning someone's motives you clearly think that they have a weird thought process. However, you labeled it as just flawed logic instead of pursuing it from a scum perspective. If you didn't think it was scummy then why would it matter if people's thoughts varied? That answers your next post.

I don't know what my "usual" play is. Provide examples or you are just trying to throw shade on me.

Question. Why do you say misrep so often? You say this so often every game to me (not just you though) and so I don't understand why it's being said as I've apparently done it as town every game.

My out of game situations, OOG not OGC. If I'm sick and have a concussion (which has been said before) then it isn't my fault. I'm not going to play the same as I did when I had little energy or motivation, and I said this in the previous games as well but this argument is only being used now which seems opportunistic.

No, you commented saying I am appearing to try when I'm not. If I have to explain that I'm trying there is no reason why I shouldn't say why I'm trying.

Done.

[Never Unlucky]

This feels like arguing with Calix, and I don't want to start another one of these endless disputes that cancel discussion so I'm going to take a break.

I'm flattered.

I was globally satisfied with your responses anyways. Wasn't going to push this discussion any further for today.

[DarknessB]

Time to mess with the Banana, so I get the choz.

BananaCucho

[DarknessB]

Yes Matt , since he voted me i have no other option but to defend myself and OMGUS him ! that'll show him.

(i actually don't remember FF7 )

Some of us have tried very hard to block FF7 out of our minds...

[DarknessB]

Real talk, we should start placing votes on Eggy 24 hours in if noone plays extra shit, because we should at least try to force him to post more than "vote and leave" like he does every other game.

Wow, an actual game point! You know, it doesn't really work to pressure vote someone when you announce that it's in fact a pressure vote. I do agree that Eggy tends to be somewhat more engaged when he rolls Town vs. scum.

[DarknessB]

There's an argument for Mesk too, but in the one-day-game we could get her to talk without voting her. She's actually pretty cooperative, she just doesn't really contribute. Eggy barely talked until he was pressure voted. Even then he just roleclaimed and left.

I don't know all the players in this game well. There might be a better target, but if we can agree on an inactive target like right now then we can easily fall back on pressure lynching an inactive without it dragging out for an extra 24 hours and turning into a policy lynch.

Obviously if a real scumread comes up that takes priority, as I said.

Given the prevalence of terrible smurf accounts as of late, I'd suggest we not give the mysterious "Char Char the Charmeleon" a pass either.

[DarknessB]

Mesk sure is an easy target, isn't she?

She's the classic "if you have no one to vote for, vote for her because her default meta is so scummy" vote. This has happened in a number of previous games.

[DarknessB]

Draw! Swords be drawn MiniZed-- and the night shalt fall with us knowing the victor.

This is the SP "soup of the day" apparently -- annoying old English this game? Please stick to comprehensible prose.

[DarknessB]

"Additional information"? You can get punished for that? I'm pretty sure I've seen forums posts dedicated to asking people's age, asking people's picture, and even asking people's personality subtype.

Please elaborate on Minized's questions being extra pointless. I mean, tell me which question is pointless and what makes it so useless it's worth pointing out, because at d1 start most questions are already pretty dead endish.

This is NU making reference to being punished for that particular offense on the mod. Agreed with the MiniZed point -- he's made other pointless questions before early in prior games. Don't see that as being particularly AI.

[DarknessB]

I'm liking your personality so far. Nice to meet you, sir.
(inb4 "NU is buddying!" -- I'll tell people I like them if I do like them, it's NAI. It's just something I do. [ie Minotarr in Matrix, JealousTL in SGoS])



No. Hell no. Your sources are up to date, yzb. Don't listen to this madman. He's out of his mind.


Misrep.

Really not a fan of MiniZed. He's only asking others questions and not giving answers/opinions himself. This is one of the lines found in the 'Scumplay' definition.

False -- a lot of players approach games by asking questions early on as opposed to giving their own opinions, especially as their opinions are still developing. For many players, this is 100% NAI.

[DarknessB]

From the perspective of town, I could be a scum trying to lock down a hypothetical PL if we can't find someone better to scumread.

Also, if what Minized said is true and Eggy performs better now than he did in Insanity, my point is far more void.

In light of that, I'm happy to move the hypothetical "24 hour policy pressure" to whomever the bulk of the town deems fit.

What's important is that we organize a Policy Pressure in advance, because that would save time if we can't find anyone suspicious.

I don't see the strategic benefit to spending 24 hours building up a policy pressure if no good susp. target presents themselves. Any reads in regards to who we choose for the policy pressure can be done alongside proper scumreads, and we can be saved up to 24 hours. This is why I am presenting this idea.

Dude, this is becoming idiotic. The value of a policy pressure is the logic that it actually translates into a lynch if the player does not step it up. You're basically neutered everything off of this strategy by continuing to explain the idea that it's just pressure and that the person need only participate to avoid being lynched (more or less). Really, just stop making your intentions even easier for scum to end run around.

[DarknessB]

I don't really like this post when I consider it more. It appears to look as if you are contributing more then you actually are, and the fact you were able to put everyone somewhere on post #16 feels off.

Disagree -- the comments are almost deliberately non-responsive in many cases. If anything, the goal here is to get players to talk about anything and see who reacts in a weird way to the reads. No one believes that a reads list within the first couple of hours of the game is thought out / actually developed.

[Eggy]

Real talk, we should start placing votes on Eggy 24 hours in if noone plays extra shit, because we should at least try to force him to post more than "vote and leave" like he does every other game.

Do I know you lol? have we ever played a game together? I normally think of a one liner to put in with my vote but I was extra lazy today. But ya guys im always scum and am the exact opposite of mesk I guys? Am I more often scum than normal? I havnt noticed

[DarknessB]

What made you think that I was being self-centered? What 'pity fights' are you referring to?

No, Eggy's explanation to why he scum-read me was that I led 2 mislynches and changed my vote before EoD. Both points are the definition of NAI. That's not explaining a read.



I haven't pushed yzb at all so far. What makes you think that?

I never made reference to your previous game. Misrep+appeal to pity.



Irrelevant.



People who don't have 50 posts per page LUL

NU seems to be his typical defensive self again. You really need to stop throwing around terms like "misrep" and citing logical fallacies like candy. Buzzwords are not convincing and don't help us see what you're thinking. More developed thoughts do.

[Eggy]

There's an argument for Mesk too, but in the one-day-game we could get her to talk without voting her. She's actually pretty cooperative, she just doesn't really contribute. Eggy barely talked until he was pressure voted. Even then he just roleclaimed and left.

I don't know all the players in this game well. There might be a better target, but if we can agree on an inactive target like right now then we can easily fall back on pressure lynching an inactive without it dragging out for an extra 24 hours and turning into a policy lynch.

Obviously if a real scumread comes up that takes priority, as I said.

This man is hella scummy wtf yzb25 who does this? who comes in and first few hours try to establish who our policy lynch is between the inactive players? Im not really a lurker so I dont know where this is comming from.

[Eggy]

*In the Insanity game* Eggy barely talked until he was pressure voted.

I didnt even realize I was pressure voted when I spoke in insanity I honnestly didnt care I was not even active at all maybe made two posts. I didnt even use my night action and I should have been replaced idk why I wasnt

[Eggy]

funny how you are trying to meta read me off one game

[secondpassing]

Time to mess with the Banana, so I get the choz.

BananaCucho

Why vote this one?

VC:
Titus (2 [L-5]):
MattZed, MiniZed
MiniZed (1 [L-6]):
Never Unlucky
GameFreak (1 [L-6]):
Eggy
Mesk514 (2 [L-5]):
GameFreak, secondpassing
MattZed (1 [L-6]):
yzb25
BananaCucho (1 [L-6]):
DarknessB

If you had placed it basically ANYWHERE else, a train would have picked up speed-
pedit: you could have placed it on Char Char, which could have triggered policy lynch discussions
placing it on secondpassing gives a DarknessB-MattZed pre-flip association...

yet you placed it on BananaCucho... to look.. like you're not going for low-hanging fruit?

[DarknessB]

Why vote this one?

VC:
Titus (2 [L-5]):
MattZed, MiniZed
MiniZed (1 [L-6]):
Never Unlucky
GameFreak (1 [L-6]):
Eggy
Mesk514 (2 [L-5]):
GameFreak, secondpassing
MattZed (1 [L-6]):
yzb25
BananaCucho (1 [L-6]):
DarknessB

If you had placed it basically ANYWHERE else, a train would have picked up speed-
pedit: you could have placed it on Char Char, which could have triggered policy lynch discussions
placing it on secondpassing gives a DarknessB-MattZed pre-flip association...

yet you placed it on BananaCucho... to look.. like you're not going for low-hanging fruit?

I do not subscribe to your insane "LET'S START TRAINS GUISE" from the first post of a game. You saw how well that worked out last game.

[Eggy]

Saying "this is a pressure vote" still applies pressure, because it indicates you're priority lynch if you don't contribute some thoughts. Indeed, it is predicated on the threat of a PL, but if you do it early enough, you can transition out of it if your votee responds. If you do it too late, the votee can get PLed regardless. This happened in Insanity when we all switched to Eggy despite his BD claim.

^I've heard this argument about pressure lynches before, and it implies all pressure voting has to try and pretend it's not pressure voting, and hope the votee doesn't know it's just pressure. This is somewhat silly because 90% of the time everyone is aware of what votes are pressure votes, suggesting 90% are pointless. How do you see pressure votes?

In that one-day game when Kovath asked Mesk questions about her connections to Duck she actually responded and got back to us. She responded to some other stuff too. She even gave reads on everyone when pressed. I dunno if that's unusual for her, but she doesn't seem to be an uncooperative asshole, just a bit of an eccentric hothead :3.

I've literally only been lynched 2 times in this game once I was scum and I was one vote away from winning the game and the other game I was completely inactive and should have been replaced(the game you are referring too)

[Eggy]

if you think im going to be policy lynched YZ you are gravely mistaken.

[secondpassing]

I do not subscribe to your insane "LET'S START TRAINS GUISE" from the first post of a game. You saw how well that worked out last game.

You ignore the question. Why vote BananaCucho. You know what you did with your vote last game on Day 1? Kept it on Spruance. Load of good that did.

[DarknessB]

You ignore the question. Why vote BananaCucho. You know what you did with your vote last game on Day 1? Kept it on Spruance. Load of good that did.

You literally have no understanding what an RVS vote is, do you? Banana and I are friends and she's coming back from a break so I thought it was funny. Seriously, fuck off with your shade on stupid crap. You remind me of Kovath in IC with arguments like this.

[secondpassing]

You literally have no understanding what an RVS vote is, do you? Banana and I are friends and she's coming back from a break so I thought it was funny. Seriously, fuck off with your shade on stupid crap. You remind me of Kovath in IC with arguments like this.

I don't subscribe to the "random" part of RVS, and I see that you have reasoning of your own.
And if you notice last game, I didn't actually use my trains thing because I picked up on a scum-looking player early on.

Care to explain why you don't want to start trains? Like I get it, playstyle. Please elaborate why your playstyle is that way. To me, it seems that many games you don't get involved.
Like you don't like to push lynches/be held accountable.



Short question this whole post is asking:
Why do you think that in RVS that it is not good to create trains?

[DarknessB]

I don't subscribe to the "random" part of RVS, and I see that you have reasoning of your own.
And if you notice last game, I didn't actually use my trains thing because I picked up on a scum-looking player early on.

Care to explain why you don't want to start trains? Like I get it, playstyle. Please elaborate why your playstyle is that way. To me, it seems that many games you don't get involved.
Like you don't like to push lynches/be held accountable.



Short question this whole post is asking:
Why do you think that in RVS that it is not good to create trains?

If you're creating trains, it's not RVS anymore, is it? Then you're trying to pressure people. The whole point of RVS is to vote people and see how others react, who jumps on trains, who is more willing to vote X, etc. We're like five hours into the game -- I haven't even had a chance to interact with players and develop my reads, and you're asking me to jump on trains. Seriously dude -- there's a reason you get mislynched on Day 1 -- it's for shit like this.

[Eggy]

From the perspective of town, I could be a scum trying to lock down a hypothetical PL if we can't find someone better to scumread.

Also, if what Minized said is true and Eggy performs better now than he did in Insanity, my point is far more void.

In light of that, I'm happy to move the hypothetical "24 hour policy pressure" to whomever the bulk of the town deems fit.

What's important is that we organize a Policy Pressure in advance, because that would save time if we can't find anyone suspicious.

I don't see the strategic benefit to spending 24 hours building up a policy pressure if no good susp. target presents themselves. Any reads in regards to who we choose for the policy pressure can be done alongside proper scumreads, and we can be saved up to 24 hours. This is why I am presenting this idea.

Who does this lol? i've never seen someone put so much thought into a hypothetical 24 hour policy lynch. Maybe its NAI but this seems way off to me.

[Eggy]

I don't really like this post when I consider it more. It appears to look as if you are contributing more then you actually are, and the fact you were able to put everyone somewhere on post #16 feels off.

I took this reads list to be a joke lol dont think he actually takes that list seriously.

[DarknessB]

Who does this lol? i've never seen someone put so much thought into a hypothetical 24 hour policy lynch. Maybe its NAI but this seems way off to me.

We have the fucking space cases -- yzb and SP in this game. What do you expect? -_-

[DarknessB]

I took this reads list to be a joke lol dont think he actually takes that list seriously.

Sure, it's interesting that MiniZed regarded the list in a hostile way though, especially given half the reads were jokes / meta.

[Titus]

TPR or scum soft-claim 101.



OMGUS works better with a vote. Try that.

Why out tpr or scum d1? If uncertain just pressure. If you're right on your push, scum can circle. If you're wrong, scum have a neon sign as to a PR.

[Titus]

Oh wait, I forgot Calix can be host meta'd. She doesn't strictly random roles. No way she'd let all of the good players be on one team and steamroll the rest.

I figure Calix defines the "good" players to be BC and Titus, with perhaps DarknessB as well.

Titus
Titus, prove your worth to this town, if you are truly one of us. I doubt you and BC are on the same team.

BC can't be town. Why?

[Titus]

Real talk, we should start placing votes on Eggy 24 hours in if noone plays extra shit, because we should at least try to force him to post more than "vote and leave" like he does every other game.

Policy lynch D1, not a fan. If there's nothing better I will.

[Eggy]

Im going to sleep Ill be back on tmrw goodnight peoples

[DarknessB]

BC can't be town. Why?

Multiple levels of stupid host meta going on here. He knows that Calix typically does a "3 random" to generate the setup. He also knows that Calix picks the most balanced setup possible based in part on her personal views of how good players are (though she has also said sometimes it's for entertainment value instead). He assumes that Calix believes BC, you, and me as the "good" players so in the event that a setup rolled with us as the scum, she would pick one of the others. The logic is full of Swiss cheese though and I think host meta is dumb personally for that reason.

[Eggy]

Policy lynch D1, not a fan. If there's nothing better I will.

That goes without saying I just find it extremely strange that this is the main idea he was pushing since we started playing. He did not try and scumhunt just say if we cant find scum lets policy a lynch a lurker and lets make that decision now before people even have a chance to post? very fishy if you ask me.

[secondpassing]

If you're creating trains, it's not RVS anymore, is it? Then you're trying to pressure people. The whole point of RVS is to vote people and see how others react, who jumps on trains, who is more willing to vote X, etc. We're like five hours into the game -- I haven't even had a chance to interact with players and develop my reads, and you're asking me to jump on trains. Seriously dude -- there's a reason you get mislynched on Day 1 -- it's for shit like this.

More playstyle questions:
I would like to know why you do not want to pressure more players.

As ridiculous as yzb25's case might sound to you, I assume it at least makes some sense and that you agree that town must take action or die. Are you against mounting a policy lynch early in the game?
If you notice, voting for a policy lynch is more like an investigative action. Just because we vote them, and given sufficient reasoning that they are not scum, players can simply unvote.
Which is the equivalent of placing players onto trial in the mod.

Are you against putting pressure on multiple people in the course of a 72 hour day? To me, this seems to be the most logical source of action because we receive the most information of it.
pedit: noticed titus' post, and no I am not advocating a mass claim.

Jumping onto a train =/= you need to have a read on them. If you do not have a read on them, they are a null, correct? As seen by your vote on BananaCucho, you are willing to vote your null. Between now, your undeveloped read = null, and the time of lynch/unvote you still have the time to decide whether or not they are scummy.


Please explain why you do not agree with this->
vote null read -> generate pressure -> reexamine evidence -> lynch null read for a LYNCH/change vote/unvote/present attained reasonings

[Titus]

We have the fucking space cases -- yzb and SP in this game. What do you expect? -_-

Apparently meta seems like a prerequisite here. Why is everyone insulting each other and not scumhunting?

[Titus]

Multiple levels of stupid host meta going on here. He knows that Calix typically does a "3 random" to generate the setup. He also knows that Calix picks the most balanced setup possible based in part on her personal views of how good players are (though she has also said sometimes it's for entertainment value instead). He assumes that Calix believes BC, you, and me as the "good" players so in the event that a setup rolled with us as the scum, she would pick one of the others. The logic is full of Swiss cheese though and I think host meta is dumb personally for that reason.

This is the most in depth response for another player with the most in depth moon logic. Wtf?

[secondpassing]

Apparently meta seems like a prerequisite here. Why is everyone insulting each other and not scumhunting?

Agreed. Sometimes defensiveness blocks people from getting good reads on others.
I wish DarknessB would stop trash talking my play though it is bad and act less defensive.

Also, yzb is not a space case. I am, but he is not.

[DarknessB]

More playstyle questions:
I would like to know why you do not want to pressure more players.

As ridiculous as yzb25's case might sound to you, I assume it at least makes some sense and that you agree that town must take action or die. Are you against mounting a policy lynch early in the game?
If you notice, voting for a policy lynch is more like an investigative action. Just because we vote them, and given sufficient reasoning that they are not scum, players can simply unvote.
Which is the equivalent of placing players onto trial in the mod.

Are you against putting pressure on multiple people in the course of a 72 hour day? To me, this seems to be the most logical source of action because we receive the most information of it.
pedit: noticed titus' post, and no I am not advocating a mass claim.

Jumping onto a train =/= you need to have a read on them. If you do not have a read on them, they are a null, correct? As seen by your vote on BananaCucho, you are willing to vote your null. Between now, your undeveloped read = null, and the time of lynch/unvote you still have the time to decide whether or not they are scummy.


Please explain why you do not agree with this->
vote null read -> generate pressure -> reexamine evidence -> lynch null read for a LYNCH/change vote/unvote/present attained reasonings

I'm not drinking your kool aid, SP -- it's simply not happening. If you want to discuss Mafia philosophy, do so outside of the game, perhaps in an FM Parking thread, though I'd probably wait until after this game given you just made this into a game issue.

I'm against announcing the intent of a policy lynch within hours of the game beginning when many players haven't even had the chance to post yet. Sure, put pressure on whomever you think is suspicious. My vote is an RVS vote -- most people don't play the game like you did in BFN where they have scumreading reasons behind their RVS vote, or else it wouldn't be an RVS vote. I'm not getting into a debate on Mafia philosophy. The more you talk about generating pressure in the abstract, the less effective it is.

[Titus]

That goes without saying I just find it extremely strange that this is the main idea he was pushing since we started playing. He did not try and scumhunt just say if we cant find scum lets policy a lynch a lurker and lets make that decision now before people even have a chance to post? very fishy if you ask me.

It does. I was debating trying to draw him out with kindness but I want some action.

yzb25

[DarknessB]

Agreed. Sometimes defensiveness blocks people from getting good reads on others.
I wish DarknessB would stop trash talking my play though it is bad and act less defensive.

Also, yzb is not a space case. I am, but he is not.

You're literally wasting our time with a philosophical discussion of why everyone should jump on trains like you do with their initial votes and the value of pressuring people. It's not scumhunting, it's Mafia philosophy 101. Wrong place, wrong time.

[Titus]

You're literally wasting our time with a philosophical discussion of why everyone should jump on trains like you do with their initial votes and the value of pressuring people. It's not scumhunting, it's Mafia philosophy 101. Wrong place, wrong time.

And just what is your vote doing?

[BananaCucho]

Oh wait, I forgot Calix can be host meta'd. She doesn't strictly random roles. No way she'd let all of the good players be on one team and steamroll the rest.

I figure Calix defines the "good" players to be BC and Titus, with perhaps DarknessB as well.

Titus
Titus, prove your worth to this town, if you are truly one of us. I doubt you and BC are on the same team.

lol I actually agree with most of this thought, though its not as clear cut as you're making it out to be. Calix will group based on experience and good/not good not just God tier vs non God tier. So Titus and I can both be town, but now way in hell is Titus+me+MattZed+Darkness+MiniZed all being town an actual thing.

That being said I DON'T recommend we lynch within this pool today. Experienced players are targeted for kills and investigations often, and killing off experienced players for host meta alone is bad. Someone in this pool is guaranteed scum IMO, but that pool will naturally narrow by itself as the game goes on.

That's all for now, catch ya later

[MiniZed]

Hi. Catching up now.

[MiniZed]

Disagree -- the comments are almost deliberately non-responsive in many cases. If anything, the goal here is to get players to talk about anything and see who reacts in a weird way to the reads. No one believes that a reads list within the first couple of hours of the game is thought out / actually developed.

Between his reaction to the comment and why he did it, feels off. It's probably nothing since it was so early, but what did you think of his comment where he said it was actually influencing people? Otherwise most of it was useless reads so don't know how you think it generates questions.

[MiniZed]

Why vote this one?

VC:
Titus (2 [L-5]):
MattZed, MiniZed
MiniZed (1 [L-6]):
Never Unlucky
GameFreak (1 [L-6]):
Eggy
Mesk514 (2 [L-5]):
GameFreak, secondpassing
MattZed (1 [L-6]):
yzb25
BananaCucho (1 [L-6]):
DarknessB

If you had placed it basically ANYWHERE else, a train would have picked up speed-
pedit: you could have placed it on Char Char, which could have triggered policy lynch discussions
placing it on secondpassing gives a DarknessB-MattZed pre-flip association...

yet you placed it on BananaCucho... to look.. like you're not going for low-hanging fruit?

Do you feel putting a vote on Char Char is good?

We don't know who Char Char is, so it's interesting to see you suggest a PL on him. We can assume who he is, but we haven't really seen him play yet.

[MattZed]

I do not subscribe to your insane "LET'S START TRAINS GUISE" from the first post of a game. You saw how well that worked out last game.
Darkness, how can we pressure anyone or have multiple chances to really interrogate someone unless we have trains? I didn't closely follow last game and can't comment on a previous experience, but what's making you so against the notion of coalescing around trains to get things done?

[yzb25]

What does OGC mean?

What does AI / NAI mean?

[MattZed]

New reads list, with some added discussion-generating hyperbole. If you're a town who's actually playing, you should be able to sort out the trolling from my sincere points:

DarknessB - is butthurt because I used host meta to figure out that he's scum before he even posted.
yzb25 - Does anyone actually like this guy's play atm?
Eggy - still not saying much, just covering his own ass, which wasn't really under that much sincere pressure anyways. If, as he says, he's super-safe from policy lynch threats, why does he need to beat others down with this fact? Paranoia about being pressured suggests either scum or a TPR that he doesn't want to have outed. Remote possibly that he's a cit really concerned about his ladder points, but I'm leaning toward scum due to a lack of contribution beyond self-defense.
MiniZed - Was pretty quick to get some bad vibes about my instigating read list, probably a bit too shallow. (although the defense of my list has been a bit too strong; while it gets conversation going, a lot of other things can, so it ends up pretty NAI on the whole)
BananaCucho - She's being apparently bussed by the scumlord Darkness, but is it really possible for her to share an alignment with fellow god-tier Titus?
GameFreak - A hippo that still hasn't said much. NAI from the slot, but possibly non-confrontational scum.
Char Char the Charmeleon - ???
Mesk514 - Still town and still not doing the best job to prove it.
secondpassing - a town who realizes town needs to lynch to win. Doubt they would have this much instigator confidence as scum.
Titus - I am not familiar enough with this man's meta to have a strong early opinion of his responses. But being able to vote YZB looks like it's hiding behind a deeper read, which suggests town because of how hard it is to fake a deep read as scum.
Never Unlucky - Still our fine savior who prosecutes the guilty when they try to slide.
MattZed - still your noble leader

[MattZed]

What does OGC mean?

What does AI / NAI mean?
Out of Game Communication

Alignment-Indicative / Not Alignment-Indicative

[yzb25]

Dude, this is becoming idiotic. The value of a policy pressure is the logic that it actually translates into a lynch if the player does not step it up. You're basically neutered everything off of this strategy by continuing to explain the idea that it's just pressure and that the person need only participate to avoid being lynched (more or less). Really, just stop making your intentions even easier for scum to end run around.

Exactly! Let them know we may take the vote off if they just give us responses and contributions! That way we read them then move on without wasting our time!

HEY, DON'T PLAY LIKE SHIT AND YOU WON'T BE POLICY LYNCHED!!! REVOLUTIONARY, RIGHT?!?!?!

I feel like we're a little out of sync lol. But, judging by your conversation with SP, you seem to see pressure votes as a way to make potential scums slip, rather than a way to simply bring in the inactives. I agree that if my motive was the former I would have already completely destroyed the point of my own strategy with what I've said =P.


Who does this lol? i've never seen someone put so much thought into a hypothetical 24 hour policy lynch. Maybe its NAI but this seems way off to me.

Bro, every single game I have ever been in there has been a 2-post-per-day-man who gets forgotten about until a PL or a lurk-to-the-end inevitably happens. Then, in the post-game, I have to sift through unpleasant arguments about: "omg it's your responsibility to post more", "omg no it isn't", back and forth, back and forth. I am tired of fucking around with this.

Anyway, I'm glad that the 2-post-per-day play you had in Insanity seems to be an exception for you. In light of that, I will happily devote the plan noone will follow to Char instead or something lol. I'm just trying to prepare for the inevitable. Pragmatism 'n' that, y'know?

Also, all/nearly all your posts have been about me. Do you have anything else on your mind?

[yzb25]

Also, yzb is not a space case. I am, but he is not.

What is a space case, and does asking what a space case is make me more of a space case?

[Calix]

What is a space case, and does asking what a space case is make me more of a space case?

Let me Google that for you.

space-case. Noun. (plural space cases) (slang) An insane person who has little grip on reality.

:love:

[Never Unlucky]

Only have 10 minutes to make a post.

Eggy - His play so far is as self-centered as it can get. All of his posts were regarding himself. Looks like his scum meta. I've always read Eggy correctly so far.
BananaCucho - One post. Wasn't enough for me to a feel of her alignment.
Char Char the Charmeleon - Charming.
DarknessB - Being his neutral self. Isn't strategically lurking like he was last game as scum.
GameFreak - Hmm.
MattZed - :)
Mesk514 - :c
MiniZed - Not a fan of his questions. I've only seen scum say something along the lines of his "Hi. I'm catching up," post.
Never Unlucky - I am town.
secondpassing - Back to his weird meta. Hasn't said anything that pinged scummy to me.
Titus - Don't have time to quote some of her posts, but her one-liners aren't pushing the discussion forward or even trying to do so. They're just comments. Read her last posts and tell me if you agree.
yzb25 - Draws a lot of attention to himself by proposing PL's 1h30mins into the game. Speaks with confidence. Doubt an inexperienced scum would do any of these.

[GameFreak]

I havnt played in awhile so i don't even know who is on atm. Normally i would start discussion with Rlvg, Calix or SJ but it seems i'll be alone again.
Time to read.

[GameFreak]

Why vote this one?

VC:
Titus (2 [L-5]):
MattZed, MiniZed
MiniZed (1 [L-6]):
Never Unlucky
GameFreak (1 [L-6]):
Eggy
Mesk514 (2 [L-5]):
GameFreak, secondpassing
MattZed (1 [L-6]):
yzb25
BananaCucho (1 [L-6]):
DarknessB

If you had placed it basically ANYWHERE else, a train would have picked up speed-
pedit: you could have placed it on Char Char, which could have triggered policy lynch discussions
placing it on secondpassing gives a DarknessB-MattZed pre-flip association...

yet you placed it on BananaCucho... to look.. like you're not going for low-hanging fruit?

This is so incredibly silly, Its RVS you vote without logic.

Why are you so eager to make a train happen in the first day of a game anyway.

[GameFreak]

Eggy just ignored every point made in the game to defend himself with 3 consecutive posts and he did this twice only to disappear. Jup typical Eggy.

[GameFreak]

Only have 10 minutes to make a post.

Eggy - His play so far is as self-centered as it can get. All of his posts were regarding himself. Looks like his scum meta. I've always read Eggy correctly so far.
BananaCucho - One post. Wasn't enough for me to a feel of her alignment.
Char Char the Charmeleon - Charming.
DarknessB - Being his neutral self. Isn't strategically lurking like he was last game as scum.
GameFreak - Hmm.
MattZed - :)
Mesk514 - :c
MiniZed - Not a fan of his questions. I've only seen scum say something along the lines of his "Hi. I'm catching up," post.
Never Unlucky - I am town.
secondpassing - Back to his weird meta. Hasn't said anything that pinged scummy to me.
Titus - Don't have time to quote some of her posts, but her one-liners aren't pushing the discussion forward or even trying to do so. They're just comments. Read her last posts and tell me if you agree.
yzb25 - Draws a lot of attention to himself by proposing PL's 1h30mins into the game. Speaks with confidence. Doubt an inexperienced scum would do any of these.

quite and interesting list , and i really do appreciate the list NU because it gives me alot of insight in how you feel the game is going right now but also your mindset, although it feels you are copying Matt.

Few interesting bits. Not having an opinion formed of Mattzed is somewhat weird , he hasn't done alot of actual serious playing but in his trolling he gives some of his opinions.

I agree with your opinion on Titus , so far nothing spectacular. But then you put Mesk on neutral.
I find them both equally scummy.

[yzb25]

It's worthwhile hearing more opinions on Eggy.

Mesk514 If I remember correctly you said you know Eggy quite well. Your insight may come in handy here.

In summary, he had a problem with my idea to prepare policy pressure on himself early (and/or inactives in general) if no good scumreads present themselves.

Here are Eggy's posts:





Real talk, we should start placing votes on Eggy 24 hours in if noone plays extra shit, because we should at least try to force him to post more than "vote and leave" like he does every other game.
Do I know you lol? have we ever played a game together? I normally think of a one liner to put in with my vote but I was extra lazy today. But ya guys im always scum and am the exact opposite of mesk I guys? Am I more often scum than normal? I havnt noticed


Uhh, worth noting I mistook Eggy for someone who never posts, based off the last game I played with him. I stated this several times afterwards, but Eggy is reading and replying so he didn't see this, yet.




There's an argument for Mesk too, but in the one-day-game we could get her to talk without voting her. She's actually pretty cooperative, she just doesn't really contribute. Eggy barely talked until he was pressure voted. Even then he just roleclaimed and left.

I don't know all the players in this game well. There might be a better target, but if we can agree on an inactive target like right now then we can easily fall back on pressure lynching an inactive without it dragging out for an extra 24 hours and turning into a policy lynch.

Obviously if a real scumread comes up that takes priority, as I said.
This man is hella scummy wtf
-vote yzb25
who does this? who comes in and first few hours try to establish who our policy lynch is between the inactive players? Im not really a lurker so I dont know where this is comming from.



*In the Insanity game* Eggy barely talked until he was pressure voted.
I didnt even realize I was pressure voted when I spoke in insanity I honnestly didnt care I was not even active at all maybe made two posts. I didnt even use my night action and I should have been replaced idk why I wasnt


funny how you are trying to meta read me off one game



Saying "this is a pressure vote" still applies pressure, because it indicates you're priority lynch if you don't contribute some thoughts. Indeed, it is predicated on the threat of a PL, but if you do it early enough, you can transition out of it if your votee responds. If you do it too late, the votee can get PLed regardless. This happened in Insanity when we all switched to Eggy despite his BD claim.

^I've heard this argument about pressure lynches before, and it implies all pressure voting has to try and pretend it's not pressure voting, and hope the votee doesn't know it's just pressure. This is somewhat silly because 90% of the time everyone is aware of what votes are pressure votes, suggesting 90% are pointless. How do you see pressure votes?

In that one-day game when Kovath asked Mesk questions about her connections to Duck she actually responded and got back to us. She responded to some other stuff too. She even gave reads on everyone when pressed. I dunno if that's unusual for her, but she doesn't seem to be an uncooperative asshole, just a bit of an eccentric hothead :3.
I've literally only been lynched 2 times in this game once I was scum and I was one vote away from winning the game and the other game I was completely inactive and should have been replaced(the game you are referring too)


if you think im going to be policy lynched YZ you are gravely mistaken.



From the perspective of town, I could be a scum trying to lock down a hypothetical PL if we can't find someone better to scumread.

Also, if what Minized said is true and Eggy performs better now than he did in Insanity, my point is far more void.

In light of that, I'm happy to move the hypothetical "24 hour policy pressure" to whomever the bulk of the town deems fit.

What's important is that we organize a Policy Pressure in advance, because that would save time if we can't find anyone suspicious.

I don't see the strategic benefit to spending 24 hours building up a policy pressure if no good susp. target presents themselves. Any reads in regards to who we choose for the policy pressure can be done alongside proper scumreads, and we can be saved up to 24 hours. This is why I am presenting this idea.
Who does this lol? i've never seen someone put so much thought into a hypothetical 24 hour policy lynch. Maybe its NAI but this seems way off to me.

Below is the only post he made not related to me. I feel so special for getting all this attention lol.



I don't really like this post when I consider it more. It appears to look as if you are contributing more then you actually are, and the fact you were able to put everyone somewhere on post #16 feels off.
I took this reads list to be a joke lol dont think he actually takes that list seriously.



Policy lynch D1, not a fan. If there's nothing better I will.

That goes without saying I just find it extremely strange that this is the main idea he was pushing since we started playing. He did not try and scumhunt just say if we cant find scum lets policy a lynch a lurker and lets make that decision now before people even have a chance to post? very fishy if you ask me.

My own questions:

1) Is it like him to read through the entire thing and get focused on one person/idea? Is this abnormal for him?

2) He seems to say pushing the strat is NAI, but then he says "this seems way off to me.". Do you think that's a gut read, a scum reaching, or something else?

Others can feel free to answer as well, naturally :)

But I would be very grateful if Mesk took the time to reply.

[Mesk514]

My boyfriends parents have been in town... they're leaving in like 4 hours and then you guys have my undivided attention

[Never Unlucky]

quite and interesting list , and i really do appreciate the list NU because it gives me alot of insight in how you feel the game is going right now but also your mindset, although it feels you are copying Matt.

Few interesting bits. Not having an opinion formed of Mattzed is somewhat weird , he hasn't done alot of actual serious playing but in his trolling he gives some of his opinions.

I agree with your opinion on Titus , so far nothing spectacular. But then you put Mesk on neutral.
I find them both equally scummy.

I am not copying Matt. My reads are very distinct from his. He has 2 null reads, I have 6.

I have an opinion on Matt, it just is NAI. Like you say, he gives his opinions through his posts, but giving an opinion doesn't make him town. I' keeping a reserve in regards to this slot.

Why do you find Mesk scummy? She hasn't posted anything substantial that could be seen as scummy.

Eggy just ignored every point made in the game to defend himself with 3 consecutive posts and he did this twice only to disappear. Jup typical Eggy.

Typical scum Eggy. His town play is more aggressive than it is defensive.

[yzb25]

Let me Google that for you.

space-case. Noun. (plural space cases) (slang) An insane person who has little grip on reality.

:love:

INSANE?!?!?! ME?!?!?!

It's just... no actually... no idk...

Why LightnessB... orly... Why...

I... I'm so deeply offended by this wildly, wildly, wildly inaccurate attack on my person. AS IF I'M THE KIND OF SENILE PERSON WHO WILL SWITCH PERSON AND TOPIC MID SENTENCE DUE TO AN INABILITY TO MAINTAIN A COHERENT TRAIL OF-

Oh, thankyou very much for the kind assistance Calix dear, I forgot to thankyou, munchkin. ;)

-THOUGHT!!! WHAT DO YOU TAKE ME FOR?!?!?!

I was going to ask for your autograph... I'm your biggest fan... LightnessB... =(

No, to hell with it, I'm still going to ask for your autograph.

Can I have your autograph pls?

[DarknessB]

I am not copying Matt. My reads are very distinct from his. He has 2 null reads, I have 6.

I have an opinion on Matt, it just is NAI. Like you say, he gives his opinions through his posts, but giving an opinion doesn't make him town. I' keeping a reserve in regards to this slot.

Why do you find Mesk scummy? She hasn't posted anything substantial that could be seen as scummy.


Typical scum Eggy. His town play is more aggressive than it is defensive.

I agree with GF's comment re: your reads list copying MZ in some ways. The point is that MZ put together a reads list (albeit, a joking one and perhaps one designed to get the conversation moving) and you proceed to do the same (albeit, a more serious sounding one with far stronger reads). We're basically 12-15 hours into a 72 hour day. Seems a little tryhardish and this is what people warned you to some extent re: gut reads vs. taking the time to engage players first.

[DarknessB]

INSANE?!?!?! ME?!?!?!

It's just... no actually... no idk...

Why LightnessB... orly... Why...

I... I'm so deeply offended by this wildly, wildly, wildly inaccurate attack on my person. AS IF I'M THE KIND OF SENILE PERSON WHO WILL SWITCH PERSON AND TOPIC MID SENTENCE DUE TO AN INABILITY TO MAINTAIN A COHERENT TRAIL OF-

Oh, thankyou very much for the kind assistance Calix dear, I forgot to thankyou, munchkin. ;)

-THOUGHT!!! WHAT DO YOU TAKE ME FOR?!?!?!

I was going to ask for your autograph... I'm your biggest fan... LightnessB... =(

No, to hell with it, I'm still going to ask for your autograph.

Can I have your autograph pls?

Do some scumhunting and I'll consider this request.

[DarknessB]

Eggy just ignored every point made in the game to defend himself with 3 consecutive posts and he did this twice only to disappear. Jup typical Eggy.

At least in my recent experience with him, Town Eggy tends to be more proactive and pushes people, whereas Scum Eggy is far more inclined to coast and only respond when he needs to / when he's addressed or attached. We're early in the game, but there's a slight lean toward Scum Eggy in my mind.

[yzb25]

I am not copying Matt. My reads are very distinct from his. He has 2 null reads, I have 6.

I have an opinion on Matt, it just is NAI. Like you say, he gives his opinions through his posts, but giving an opinion doesn't make him town. I' keeping a reserve in regards to this slot.

Why do you find Mesk scummy? She hasn't posted anything substantial that could be seen as scummy.


Typical scum Eggy. His town play is more aggressive than it is defensive.

tbf, it's important to make a distinction with his posts - at first, he appears to be indignantly defending himself on the basis he isn't the kind of inactive we should policy pressure, THEN, he starts sincerely scumreading me. So it's not all defense, his vote on me is an actual claim of scumread.

So there was aggression. Sort of. Or is that not what you mean by aggression?

I wanna hear Mesk's view on this before I form an opinion, for now.

[yzb25]

Do some scumhunting and I'll consider this request.

As my idol pleases! I'll start ISOing.

[DarknessB]

tbf, it's important to make a distinction with his posts - at first, he appears to be indignantly defending himself on the basis he isn't the kind of inactive we should policy pressure, THEN, he starts sincerely scumreading me. So it's not all defense, his vote on me is an actual claim of scumread.

So there was aggression. Sort of. Or is that not what you mean by aggression?

I wanna hear Mesk's view on this before I form an opinion, for now.

We're very early in the game, but the yzb votes feel like what happened to SP last game. I.e. yzb and SP are the types of players who obsess with Mafia strategy / philosophy over you know, actually playing the game and scumhunting. They also tend to be "space cases" in some instances -- the nicer interpretation being, they act oddly (even in scummy ways) when rolling Town. Yes, I know this is a meta argument.

This is a long way of saying that I find yzb's push toward PLs and SP's push toward "everyone jump onto a train immediately" to be more quirky than genuinely scummy. At the very least, voting either of them this early is both easy and perhaps lazy IMO.

[MiniZed]

Only have 10 minutes to make a post.

Eggy - His play so far is as self-centered as it can get. All of his posts were regarding himself. Looks like his scum meta. I've always read Eggy correctly so far.
BananaCucho - One post. Wasn't enough for me to a feel of her alignment.
Char Char the Charmeleon - Charming.
DarknessB - Being his neutral self. Isn't strategically lurking like he was last game as scum.
GameFreak - Hmm.
MattZed - :)
Mesk514 - :c
MiniZed - Not a fan of his questions. I've only seen scum say something along the lines of his "Hi. I'm catching up," post.
Never Unlucky - I am town.
secondpassing - Back to his weird meta. Hasn't said anything that pinged scummy to me.
Titus - Don't have time to quote some of her posts, but her one-liners aren't pushing the discussion forward or even trying to do so. They're just comments. Read her last posts and tell me if you agree.
yzb25 - Draws a lot of attention to himself by proposing PL's 1h30mins into the game. Speaks with confidence. Doubt an inexperienced scum would do any of these.

Just woke up and I see you are continuing to ping me as scum this game. You seem terribly desperate about it because given that I say "I'm catching up" most games and only NOW you are using this as an argument still stands out to me. It's like you are trying to force a case against me but you can't find anything decent to use.

[MiniZed]

We're very early in the game, but the yzb votes feel like what happened to SP last game. I.e. yzb and SP are the types of players who obsess with Mafia strategy / philosophy over you know, actually playing the game and scumhunting. They also tend to be "space cases" in some instances -- the nicer interpretation being, they act oddly (even in scummy ways) when rolling Town. Yes, I know this is a meta argument.

This is a long way of saying that I find yzb's push toward PLs and SP's push toward "everyone jump onto a train immediately" to be more quirky than genuinely scummy. At the very least, voting either of them this early is both easy and perhaps lazy IMO.

I think in order to get a good grasp on them both you have to give them time. Similar to me in most cases where I need time to get settled into a game. I agree though, too many people have been suggesting easy Lynches with nothing backed up other then regular play styles (Mesk, yzb25, etc).

[Titus]

Just woke up and I see you are continuing to ping me as scum this game. You seem terribly desperate about it because given that I say "I'm catching up" most games and only NOW you are using this as an argument still stands out to me. It's like you are trying to force a case against me but you can't find anything decent to use.

Agree. His argument against me makes me think he rolled scum again since he said he's not good as scum. The comments are shade. My comments do "nothing to progress the game forward" is nothing but shallow shade. Saying Darkness's vote does nothing is progressing the game by issuing a challenge to be useful. I want YB to scumhunt if they can.

He gives a solid green read with an argument that boils down to "too scummy to be scum".

[Titus]

Darkness's vote = my comment on Darkness's vote

[Mesk514]

okay hello, the in laws are gone so heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey

okay so things that have gotten my attention so far



Mesk being town is an eternal truth. Calix would never alter this.

this is very very true, I only roll scum when I chose to be scum or when I have the ultimate scum team. The first time I rolled scum, I only lost because I personally made the decision to send my team mate to kill Darkness, whoooooops..... won't be making that mistake ever again, because heeeeeeeeeeey, the chances of me rolling scum and having that opportunity again are very very very slim.



Mesk actually rolled scum two games in a row. If she rolled scum this game, we'll say that she is always scum like her good friend Eggy, the man with no soul and no avatar. Her reputation of always being town is a thing of the past that only the Great Ones will remember.

okay dude, time for you to shut up. First of all I CHOSE TO BE SCUM 1/2 of those games. Second of all, I don't roll scum with out ultra awesome scum partners... who do you see in this game that can compare to Mesk, Darkness, Calix scum game? no one, so shut it.


I'm not sure my girlfriend would like that.

...or maybe she would. I would have to ask. Let's not put labels on what we have, yet.


uhhhhhh, you have a girlfriend :O woooooooooow, you learn something everyday!!! is she pretty? does she know you're part of an online community? does she know you play games ultra scummy?





If I recall correctly, Mesk didn't RVS in IC (Town!Mesk) nor in BN (scum!Mesk). She doesn't always vote like you say she does.

This is true, take notes mother fuckers.



But mesk514 called me an idiot. That hurts. Like this vote Mesk514


when was this? a past game? awww c'mon dude... shouldda just reported me and I wouldda taken the infraction... no need to bring it over to the next game. I've learnt to take infractions better than dick


Mesk sure is an easy target, isn't she?

It's the vagina, it makes me an easy target for all the testosterone that flows through these games.


Why is it classified as a policy lynch? You don't always vote who you want pl'd but it starts discussion.

Why are you upset so soon?

has no one learned yet that I call 99.9% of Day 1 votes policy votes?
Have you not realized I'm a constant ball of rage? I never stop raging. don't you forget that



In that one-day game when Kovath asked Mesk questions about her connections to Duck she actually responded and got back to us. She responded to some other stuff too. She even gave reads on everyone when pressed. I dunno if that's unusual for her, but she doesn't seem to be an uncooperative asshole, just a bit of an eccentric hothead :3.

I mean, In my opinion I'm not an uncooperative asshole....I am very cooperative actually...eccentric, meh... hothead, definitely... but that can be fixed with a joint.


Unknown you've changed in playstyle , and i don't mean the silly Minized thing. Its like you want to participate but you still suck at it.


yeah, unknown usually sucks... but this so far isn't that bad... I'd really like you to point out a game other than the beginners game where he's done better Day 1


Ah, mini-me, but I've accomplished my point, haven't I? Everyone's considered at least something based off of my list. I find it amusing how much pressure/PL suggestion Eggy has received while being at the top of the scumlist I made back then.

I mean, list wasn't really a "reads" list... therefore to me it kinda means jack shit.
I don't know why you're so keen to start pressuring Eggy at the beginning of the game.


I do agree that Eggy tends to be somewhat more engaged when he rolls Town vs. scum.

Thanks Capt. Obvious.


Given the prevalence of terrible smurf accounts as of late, I'd suggest we not give the mysterious "Char Char the Charmeleon" a pass either.

no shit


She's the classic "if you have no one to vote for, vote for her because her default meta is so scummy" vote. This has happened in a number of previous games.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL, I'm actually waiting for the day someone actually decides they're gonna run a train on me, and stick with it.


But ya guys im always scum and am the exact opposite of mesk I guys? Am I more often scum than normal? I havnt noticed

EGGGYYYYYYYYY, long time no speak!!! how are you? been doing some sleuthing on Facebook lately ;) nice prom photos with the girl friend...

did we already talk about this? i just thought i would mention it again just in case. It's highly relevant.


I do not subscribe to your insane "LET'S START TRAINS GUISE" from the first post of a game. You saw how well that worked out last game.

I subscribe to this magazine... totally worth my money entertainment wise.




That's all for now, catch ya later

But Sr. Messy Banana... this is all you've said, so how can this be all for now?



Mesk514 - Still town and still not doing the best job to prove it.


Keep it up and I'm guarenteed dead tonight.


It's worthwhile hearing more opinions on Eggy.

Mesk514

My own questions:

1) Is it like him to read through the entire thing and get focused on one person/idea? Is this abnormal for him?
Yes. This is a classic stoner thing to be honest. Isn't it also a male thing to get caught up on one specific point?

2) He seems to say pushing the strat is NAI, but then he says "this seems way off to me.". Do you think that's a gut read, a scum reaching, or something else?

Eggy is funny dude tbh, sometimes you can't know with him. Eggy has good judgement though. Last game Eggy and I played together where I rolled Scum, he was able to ping me from the beginning based of gut and the fact that he knows who I am, he knows my mannerisms. I don't think picking at Eggy is the most convenient way of figuring out if he's scum. Like I told Calix in IC, Eggy will corner himself with his lies.

Others can feel free to answer as well, naturally :)

But I would be very grateful if Mesk took the time to reply.

hehe



so uh yeah, that's that.


I think I'd like to place my vote on MattZed.
His tone and play seems like an Artificial Intelligence II play which was basically indulging in my meta because no one else would.

MattZed

[secondpassing]

okay dude, time for you to shut up. First of all I CHOSE TO BE SCUM 1/2 of those games. Second of all, I don't roll scum with out ultra awesome scum partners... who do you see in this game that can compare to Mesk, Darkness, Calix scum game? no one, so shut it.

when was this? a past game? awww c'mon dude... shouldda just reported me and I wouldda taken the infraction... no need to bring it over to the next game. I've learnt to take infractions better than dick



Are you fucking stupid? When do you see me placing a policy lynch with less than 12 hours into a game. Jesus Christ, I'm gonna end up going over my data limit cause everyone here seems to know myself better than me. You're all idiots. I am mesk. Come try your luck.

Time to ask. Did you roll scum Mesk?


Are you fucking stupid? When do you see me placing a policy lynch with less than 12 hours into a game. Jesus Christ, I'm gonna end up going over my data limit cause everyone here seems to know myself better than me. You're all idiots. I am mesk. Come try your luck.
It was all in this game.

[secondpassing]

Only have 10 minutes to make a post.

Eggy - His play so far is as self-centered as it can get. All of his posts were regarding himself. Looks like his scum meta. I've always read Eggy correctly so far.
BananaCucho - One post. Wasn't enough for me to a feel of her alignment.
Char Char the Charmeleon - Charming.
DarknessB - Being his neutral self. Isn't strategically lurking like he was last game as scum.
GameFreak - Hmm.
MattZed - :)
Mesk514 - :c
MiniZed - Not a fan of his questions. I've only seen scum say something along the lines of his "Hi. I'm catching up," post.
Never Unlucky - I am town.
secondpassing - Back to his weird meta. Hasn't said anything that pinged scummy to me.
Titus - Don't have time to quote some of her posts, but her one-liners aren't pushing the discussion forward or even trying to do so. They're just comments. Read her last posts and tell me if you agree.
yzb25 - Draws a lot of attention to himself by proposing PL's 1h30mins into the game. Speaks with confidence. Doubt an inexperienced scum would do any of these.


MattZed- :) -> :) based on mafia philosophy probably few would understand
MiniZed- I'm assuming the green portion because he did catch up?
Titus- I almost want to give MS players a pass because they seem to like posting in one-liners. And then at some point: BOOM all of a sudden you can read them easily.


I am not copying Matt. My reads are very distinct from his. He has 2 null reads, I have 6.

I have an opinion on Matt, it just is NAI. Like you say, he gives his opinions through his posts, but giving an opinion doesn't make him town. I' keeping a reserve in regards to this slot.

Why do you find Mesk scummy? She hasn't posted anything substantial that could be seen as scummy.

Typical scum Eggy. His town play is more aggressive than it is defensive.

Can we back up and look at it a different way? (This could help to explain why I town read MattZed.)
Flipping the statement in white: "[being] town doesn't make him give an opinion"
Add some context: "being town doesn't make him give an opinion early on"
Flipping the perspective to scum hunt: "being scum doesn't make him give an opinion early on"
Do you agree with this last statement? I find that I disagree, and that I agree with the second.

Should Mesk "not give anything substantial" would you consider scum reading her? Her slot might not sort itself out.

Agree, with this Eggy thing.

[secondpassing]

lol I actually agree with most of this thought, though its not as clear cut as you're making it out to be. Calix will group based on experience and good/not good not just God tier vs non God tier. So Titus and I can both be town, but now way in hell is Titus+me+MattZed+Darkness+MiniZed all being town an actual thing.

That being said I DON'T recommend we lynch within this pool today. Experienced players are targeted for kills and investigations often, and killing off experienced players for host meta alone is bad. Someone in this pool is guaranteed scum IMO, but that pool will naturally narrow by itself as the game goes on.

That's all for now, catch ya later

Though it only is one post, I mostly agree with this. Part of me wants to think that BananaCucho is saying that we should not attempt reads on experienced players, because they will die regardless/be investigated, but I have a hard time believing that BananaCucho would say something like that. Going with the information we have now, lynching within the pool might be less productive. I, for my part will be attempting to read experienced players.

Time will tell whether or not the pool narrows.

Catch ya later BananaCucho.

[secondpassing]

Add some context: [COLOR="#00FF00"]"being town doesn't make him give an opinion early on"
.

-> "being town makes him give an opinion early on"

Typo, should read something like that. Looking back, this point was kind of hard to express.
I'm trying to say that town players should want to give an opinion and will do so in an ideal context. Should they not give us an opinion, this should give us a cause for concern.

[MiniZed]

Secondpassing now that you're around, I have a few questions.

Do you think Eggy is being more aggressive or more defensive?

Sounds like you are giving Titus a free pass. How do you feel about the posts in particular, not the length. Does it come from a town/scum perspective for you?

What do you think of the argument NU presented upon me and Titus? I know that I've commented on where he tries to use things that I've done to seem scummy when I've done it a lot as town as well. Does his tone seem similar to his previous scum game or different?

Do you think Mesk is playing like her scum-self? Or does her more recent post come from a town perspective? I think Mesk is probably more likely town given she doesn't try to put any effort in as scum.

I don't know if you have meta experience much with Darkness, but what do you think of about his play so far? (Same question with MattZed.)

Do you think my questions and tone come from a scum perspective?

Does anything from GameFreak stand out to you? I feel his play is coming off similar to Darkness when he was remaining neutral and mostly agreeing/going off on other players vibes,

What was your overall read from Bananas post? You seem to interprete it as something Banana wouldn't say. Does that make you think it's scum!banana? I think Bananas post was more pointing out the obvious and didn't leave much to work with. I didn't get the impression that Banana was suggesting not to read into the active players as she included 6 ppl and to ignore half the game is rather extreme.

These questions really can be answered by anyone at this point.

[MiniZed]

Char Char the Charmeleon please tell me you plan on showing up at some point?

[Mesk514]

Time to ask. Did you roll scum Mesk?



No, I rolled Citizen.

[secondpassing]

Secondpassing now that you're around, I have a few questions.

Do you think Eggy is being more aggressive or more defensive?

Sounds like you are giving Titus a free pass. How do you feel about the posts in particular, not the length. Does it come from a town/scum perspective for you?

What do you think of the argument NU presented upon me and Titus? I know that I've commented on where he tries to use things that I've done to seem scummy when I've done it a lot as town as well. Does his tone seem similar to his previous scum game or different?

Do you think Mesk is playing like her scum-self? Or does her more recent post come from a town perspective? I think Mesk is probably more likely town given she doesn't try to put any effort in as scum.

I don't know if you have meta experience much with Darkness, but what do you think of about his play so far? (Same question with MattZed.)

Do you think my questions and tone come from a scum perspective?

Does anything from GameFreak stand out to you? I feel his play is coming off similar to Darkness when he was remaining neutral and mostly agreeing/going off on other players vibes,

What was your overall read from Bananas post? You seem to interprete it as something Banana wouldn't say. Does that make you think it's scum!banana? I think Bananas post was more pointing out the obvious and didn't leave much to work with. I didn't get the impression that Banana was suggesting not to read into the active players as she included 6 ppl and to ignore half the game is rather extreme.

These questions really can be answered by anyone at this point.

Eggy is being more defensive. So yes, I give him a slight scum read because of that. Giving him some time though.

How are you supposed to tell with Titus? Um, I guess a little bit town by attitude, but I have to wonder why they post the things they do. Something about her vote puts me off.
What did you think of her posts?

I don't see how Mesk is putting in effort. Could just be because she is traveling. If players have out-of-game issues- I still read them somewhat as in-game issues. Another point that I will need to do research on. Instead of saying that she is more likely town/scum, I think she is more likely than setup average to be scum.

I have some meta experience with DarknessB, and at this point I simply do not agree with his playstyle. Like, I respect his playstyle, and I have to acknowledge that he plays well, but I do not agree with HOW he plays this game. Maybe the day I do, I turn into a DarknessB level player.

Some players, DarknessB included, are called being neutral every single game. And when you confront them, they say they are "not". This is simply their logic process speaking, not their feelings. Some would expect that when you have a strong opinion, you would accompany that with a strong feeling. Maybe they do, but it is not expressed.

Sometimes I wonder how MattZed and DarknessB get along. Instead of talking about his playstyle, which I have less experience with, his strategy is extremely town minded. If not, it is at least pro-town/anti-scum. I wonder if you, MiniZed, understand why I see him this way.

Nothing from GameFreak stands out to me. I may have to give up trying to find things that "stand out", as some players don't seem to want to "stand out" like, ever. When GameFreak stands out, it's because he "slipped town" (he made a "mistake" that confirms him as town)/slipped scum. The fact that nothing stands out makes me feel like I should be on edge, but I am not.

I haven't placed a handle on your tone. Slightly leaning leaning town I guess.

No strong read on Banana. Very slightly leaning town. Think I posted this.

[secondpassing]

No, I rolled Citizen.

Cool.

[secondpassing]

Cool.

Ugh, I think I just gave everyone basically a town read.

[secondpassing]

Titus

[Titus]

Though it only is one post, I mostly agree with this. Part of me wants to think that BananaCucho is saying that we should not attempt reads on experienced players, because they will die regardless/be investigated, but I have a hard time believing that BananaCucho would say something like that. Going with the information we have now, lynching within the pool might be less productive. I, for my part will be attempting to read experienced players.

Time will tell whether or not the pool narrows.

Catch ya later BananaCucho.


Ugh, I think I just gave everyone basically a town read.



Titus

Go right on kissing ass instead of scumhunting. This post 180s on his positions to vote the biggest wagons and not resolve his too many townies problem. He's not scumhunting but looking to be liked.

second passing

[Titus]

secondpassing

Autocorrect.

[secondpassing]

01:26 PM-vote Titus
01:35 PM-vote "secondpassing"

Look at that convenient timing.

[secondpassing]

Tell me Titus, what have you been doing?
There was basically 3 pages of posts to comment on, but you only come out when I vote you? What?

That response to pressure is horrendous. How about answer my fears in accordance with why I have to suspect you?
inb4 I see the "burden of proof" link.
Also, if you notice, it is not a 180 flip in read on you, as I never had anything of yours to strongly read you with.

[Titus]

You have expressed nothing of value to respond to me. You addressed other players.

Right. It was a 180 On your position. You stated "everyone is a town read". Titus is null. We shouldn't lynch experienced players. Vote Titus. You claimed I am an experienced player and thus should not be lynched.

Rather than face the hypocricsy you deflect and claim my response is terrible

[Eggy]

New reads list, with some added discussion-generating hyperbole. If you're a town who's actually playing, you should be able to sort out the trolling from my sincere points:

DarknessB - is butthurt because I used host meta to figure out that he's scum before he even posted.
yzb25 - Does anyone actually like this guy's play atm?
Eggy - still not saying much, just covering his own ass, which wasn't really under that much sincere pressure anyways. If, as he says, he's super-safe from policy lynch threats, why does he need to beat others down with this fact? Paranoia about being pressured suggests either scum or a TPR that he doesn't want to have outed. Remote possibly that he's a cit really concerned about his ladder points, but I'm leaning toward scum due to a lack of contribution beyond self-defense.
MiniZed - Was pretty quick to get some bad vibes about my instigating read list, probably a bit too shallow. (although the defense of my list has been a bit too strong; while it gets conversation going, a lot of other things can, so it ends up pretty NAI on the whole)
BananaCucho - She's being apparently bussed by the scumlord Darkness, but is it really possible for her to share an alignment with fellow god-tier Titus?
GameFreak - A hippo that still hasn't said much. NAI from the slot, but possibly non-confrontational scum.
Char Char the Charmeleon - ???
Mesk514 - Still town and still not doing the best job to prove it.
secondpassing - a town who realizes town needs to lynch to win. Doubt they would have this much instigator confidence as scum.
Titus - I am not familiar enough with this man's meta to have a strong early opinion of his responses. But being able to vote YZB looks like it's hiding behind a deeper read, which suggests town because of how hard it is to fake a deep read as scum.
Never Unlucky - Still our fine savior who prosecutes the guilty when they try to slide.
MattZed - still your noble leader

I knew YZs plan would not gain traction dont think I even had a vote on me was not trying to defend my self, I just found it extremely strange how his whole mindset was working I have never seen early game play like that from town, But I havnt seen it from scum either so im not exactly sure what to think. every thing you said about me is wrong in some way, anyway I dont like your reads list at all, the only case you have that is somewhat legit is on myself, what you say about Darkness is probably a joke so im disregarding that, what you say about YZ is just sheeping the general thread consensus and you read on minized is based on him not approving of your first even more trolly read list.

All in all I think its quite possible that your are scum trying to make it seem like you are scum hunting and doing more than you actually are.

[Eggy]

Exactly! Let them know we may take the vote off if they just give us responses and contributions! That way we read them then move on without wasting our time!

HEY, DON'T PLAY LIKE SHIT AND YOU WON'T BE POLICY LYNCHED!!! REVOLUTIONARY, RIGHT?!?!?!

I feel like we're a little out of sync lol. But, judging by your conversation with SP, you seem to see pressure votes as a way to make potential scums slip, rather than a way to simply bring in the inactives. I agree that if my motive was the former I would have already completely destroyed the point of my own strategy with what I've said =P.



Bro, every single game I have ever been in there has been a 2-post-per-day-man who gets forgotten about until a PL or a lurk-to-the-end inevitably happens. Then, in the post-game, I have to sift through unpleasant arguments about: "omg it's your responsibility to post more", "omg no it isn't", back and forth, back and forth. I am tired of fucking around with this.

Anyway, I'm glad that the 2-post-per-day play you had in Insanity seems to be an exception for you. In light of that, I will happily devote the plan noone will follow to Char instead or something lol. I'm just trying to prepare for the inevitable. Pragmatism 'n' that, y'know?

Also, all/nearly all your posts have been about me. Do you have anything else on your mind?

Well your play jumped out at me to be honest, I found it very strange and still do but based off your explanation I see how it could be a legitiment concern.

SP is most likely town she has demonstrated a strange thought process the game before and nothing she has said is out of alignment from what i've seen is her meta.

Darkness is null so far for me he does remind me off the last game we played where he was scum but he was playing pretty well that game and was hard for identify for me atleast.

mesk is also null. I will no longer give her free passes and last game she lurked her way through as scum so I definitely have my eye on her, she claims IRL for being not very active so far but if you wanted to push a policy lynch like you were saying before EOD given no better option I would probably vote for her.

Banana strikes me as scum hasnt posted much and the last post she made seems strange to me again. just making a pool of people she doesnt think we should lynch today based off nothing but host meta? doesnt seem right to me.

Never unlucky is null he hasnt gone out of his way to tunnel anyone based of stupid mistakes like he does when hes town but maybe he just has been working on his play and doesnt want to make the same mistake 3 times in a row.

I will look at titus again but right now he is null just because I forget what he posted.

Mattzed is probably scum i've been scum with him before and his meta does not match but I just get a feeling that he is trying to ride through this game claiming town leader and offering for the most part baseless reads so that he is not labelled as a lurker but at the same time can say he has been moving town in the right direction even though his reads have little to no real logic behind them.

That is all for now I probably missed some people but Ill have to double check.

P.S if I called someone a he/she when they are infact the opposite I apologize dont know everyone very well.

[Eggy]

Only have 10 minutes to make a post.

Eggy - His play so far is as self-centered as it can get. All of his posts were regarding himself. Looks like his scum meta. I've always read Eggy correctly so far.
BananaCucho - One post. Wasn't enough for me to a feel of her alignment.
Char Char the Charmeleon - Charming.
DarknessB - Being his neutral self. Isn't strategically lurking like he was last game as scum.
GameFreak - Hmm.
MattZed - :)
Mesk514 - :c
MiniZed - Not a fan of his questions. I've only seen scum say something along the lines of his "Hi. I'm catching up," post.
Never Unlucky - I am town.
secondpassing - Back to his weird meta. Hasn't said anything that pinged scummy to me.
Titus - Don't have time to quote some of her posts, but her one-liners aren't pushing the discussion forward or even trying to do so. They're just comments. Read her last posts and tell me if you agree.
yzb25 - Draws a lot of attention to himself by proposing PL's 1h30mins into the game. Speaks with confidence. Doubt an inexperienced scum would do any of these.

I agree with what you say about minized more often scum than not. But the last game I replaced into I was town and said something similar it might just be lazy town play.

First time for everything lol you have misread me my friend, and will no longer be able to say that you always read me correctly after this game, I admit it was self centered but I wasnt in any danger the only reason I focus YZ is because I found his logic extremely strange i've never seen someone approach early game with a similar mindset.

Ill reread titus' posts but I did find it strange how she said she was fine with a policy lynch then when I pointed out how strange that was to be discussed early D1 she jumped on the YZ train and said something like I was just trying to draw him out with kindness lol. I dont know most of these players very well so meta reads are going to be hard for me to establish.

I think what you say about YZ is kind of true but at the same time I think an inexperienced scum would do that way more than an experienced scum player would. Thats just my opinion though.

[Eggy]

Eggy just ignored every point made in the game to defend himself with 3 consecutive posts and he did this twice only to disappear. Jup typical Eggy.

I havnt seen many usefull points this game. mostly just mattzed trolling reads lists, YZ talking about policy lynches, and other people talking about host meta. The thing that I found the strangest was YZs thoughts so naturally I tried to highlight that. I wasnt defending myself tbh I didnt have a vote on me and was not in any danger I just noticed something that was scummy and pushed it.

[Eggy]

I am not copying Matt. My reads are very distinct from his. He has 2 null reads, I have 6.

I have an opinion on Matt, it just is NAI. Like you say, he gives his opinions through his posts, but giving an opinion doesn't make him town. I' keeping a reserve in regards to this slot.

Why do you find Mesk scummy? She hasn't posted anything substantial that could be seen as scummy.


Typical scum Eggy. His town play is more aggressive than it is defensive.

because she lurked through the entire last game maybe? again was not really defending myself so much as I was pushing YZ for his ridiculous logic. If someone else comes out with some logic like that(except SP) Ill be the first to push them also.

[Eggy]

tbf, it's important to make a distinction with his posts - at first, he appears to be indignantly defending himself on the basis he isn't the kind of inactive we should policy pressure, THEN, he starts sincerely scumreading me. So it's not all defense, his vote on me is an actual claim of scumread.

So there was aggression. Sort of. Or is that not what you mean by aggression?

I wanna hear Mesk's view on this before I form an opinion, for now.

This lol atleast YZ can tell the difference lol. If you people think I would have to "defend" myself froma hypothetical policy lynch that no one was actually going to bother to vote on you guys are not using your brains properly. I focused on YZ because I found his suggestion extremely off and actually somewhat scummy. If I knew him better I would be able to make a more solid read. What I dont understand is why you people are ignoring hes strange logic and instead scum reading me for my highlighting his bizarre early D1 play.

[Eggy]

We're very early in the game, but the yzb votes feel like what happened to SP last game. I.e. yzb and SP are the types of players who obsess with Mafia strategy / philosophy over you know, actually playing the game and scumhunting. They also tend to be "space cases" in some instances -- the nicer interpretation being, they act oddly (even in scummy ways) when rolling Town. Yes, I know this is a meta argument.

This is a long way of saying that I find yzb's push toward PLs and SP's push toward "everyone jump onto a train immediately" to be more quirky than genuinely scummy. At the very least, voting either of them this early is both easy and perhaps lazy IMO.

This is what I was afriad off, if its YZ meta to have strange logic then its really NAI and I agree we should probably not push either of their lynches D1 ill move my vote shortly.

[DarknessB]

This lol atleast YZ can tell the difference lol. If you people think I would have to "defend" myself froma hypothetical policy lynch that no one was actually going to bother to vote on you guys are not using your brains properly. I focused on YZ because I found his suggestion extremely off and actually somewhat scummy. If I knew him better I would be able to make a more solid read. What I dont understand is why you people are ignoring hes strange logic and instead scum reading me for my highlighting his bizarre early D1 play.

This is precisely why I said to yzb that prefacing a push as a "policy lynch" and only for purposes of pressure was a terrible idea. We literally have several players who have posted 5 or less times. There was never any realistic chance of policy lynching Eggy today. Maybe a legit lynch if people read him as scummy and make a case, but the overemphasis on Mafia strategy in the abstract ("let's talk about policy lynches and starting trains as an academic exercise") over actual reads of players is not good play.

[DarknessB]

Titus

Of note, you voted Titus before her vote back against you (which made her look a bit bad) -- i.e.you did not provide any explanation when you made the vote above. Care to explain why Titus? You of all people know that votes without explanations are themselves suspicious.

[Eggy]

Mattzed I think this will be a good lynch. I might change my vote to titus depending on how the game goes. Im fine with either lynch pretty much at this point.

[DarknessB]

You have expressed nothing of value to respond to me. You addressed other players.

Right. It was a 180 On your position. You stated "everyone is a town read". Titus is null. We shouldn't lynch experienced players. Vote Titus. You claimed I am an experienced player and thus should not be lynched.

Rather than face the hypocricsy you deflect and claim my response is terrible

Didn't SP explicitly say that he wasn't going to rule out reading experienced players today? I feel like anyone who would categorically rule out lynching 4-5 different players in a game because they are experienced would immediately be suspected of an agenda, and rightfully so.

[Eggy]

This is precisely why I said to yzb that prefacing a push as a "policy lynch" and only for purposes of pressure was a terrible idea. We literally have several players who have posted 5 or less times. There was never any realistic chance of policy lynching Eggy today. Maybe a legit lynch if people read him as scummy and make a case, but the overemphasis on Mafia strategy in the abstract ("let's talk about policy lynches and starting trains as an academic exercise") over actual reads of players is not good play.

Then you should understand that I was not defending myself. I knew very well there was no chance of me being policy lynched. I just found his play scummy so I decided to focus him for the first day, I wasnt on for very long and there was not much better tells I had to work with. I have since decided to change my vote because it has come to my understanding that YZ is somewhat like SP with his abnormal mafia philosophy.

[Eggy]

Of note, you voted Titus before her vote back against you (which made her look a bit bad) -- i.e.you did not provide any explanation when you made the vote above. Care to explain why Titus? You of all people know that votes without explanations are themselves suspicious.

I find titus pretty scummy actually null/scum lean for me the main reason I voted Mattzed is because of who is on whos trains and because I didnt want to give titus so many votes so early in the day. I find evening out the trains makes the flips more telling.

[Eggy]

Didn't SP explicitly say that he wasn't going to rule out reading experienced players today? I feel like anyone who would categorically rule out lynching 4-5 different players in a game because they are experienced would immediately be suspected of an agenda, and rightfully so.

Exactly why I scum read Banana the only post I remember seeing him/her make was agreeing with the weird host meta point and saying that we should lynch out of a group of 4-5 players im pretty sure herself included. That stuck me as very odd.

[DarknessB]

@Char Char the Charmeleon (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28692) please tell me you plan on showing up at some point?

Great first impression. Watch we'll find out this is some terrible player hiding under a smurf or something. Will be very annoyed.

[DarknessB]

I find titus pretty scummy actually null/scum lean for me the main reason I voted Mattzed is because of who is on whos trains and because I didnt want to give titus so many votes so early in the day. I find evening out the trains makes the flips more telling.

She seems reactionary this game for sure. I haven't played with her enough to know if that's just how she plays or if it's AI in some way. Perhaps it's her schedule, but I don't like that she only zoomed in on SP's vote on her and not anything else going on in the game.

[DarknessB]

Exactly why I scum read Banana the only post I remember seeing him/her make was agreeing with the weird host meta point and saying that we should lynch out of a group of 4-5 players im pretty sure herself included. That stuck me as very odd.

Banana has a reputation of being a fearsome player when she tries, but it's possible she's just checked out, especially as this is her first game returning back. I do agree that the meta post to start the game was very odd and atypical of her normal play. Slight scumread myself in the absence of more content.

[Never Unlucky]

You have expressed nothing of value to respond to me. You addressed other players.

Right. It was a 180 On your position. You stated "everyone is a town read". Titus is null. We shouldn't lynch experienced players. Vote Titus. You claimed I am an experienced player and thus should not be lynched.

Rather than face the hypocricsy you deflect and claim my response is terrible

Saying Titus is an experienced player is like saying Vladimir Putin is a man of people.


All in all I think its quite possible that your are scum trying to make it seem like you are scum hunting and doing more than you actually are.
Eggy, you're making the same mistake as last game. You're only looking at MattZed from the scum perspective. You should give try to give both sides of the coin and say which of the sides you agree with rather than simply thinking that X is scum.


First time for everything lol you have misread me my friend, and will no longer be able to say that you always read me correctly after this game, I admit it was self centered but I wasnt in any danger the only reason I focus YZ is because I found his logic extremely strange i've never seen someone approach early game with a similar mindset. It's a (gut) reads list I made 12 hours into the game. It's already outdated. I think you are town now because of your tone and because you are responding to posts that aren't directly pointed towards you unlike what you do when you roll scum.


Mattzed I think this will be a good lynch. I might change my vote to titus depending on how the game goes. Im fine with either lynch pretty much at this point.

Why MattZed? You haven't talked about him yet, lol.

Titus

[DarknessB]

My thoughts below in teal:


Saying Titus is an experienced player is like saying Vladimir Putin is a man of people.

What are you suggesting exactly? Titus is a very experienced player with a significant number of games logged on multiple sites.

Eggy, you're making the same mistake as last game. You're only looking at MattZed from the scum perspective. You should give try to give both sides of the coin and say which of the sides you agree with rather than simply thinking that X is scum.

What is your read on MZ exactly, NU?

It's a (gut) reads list I made 12 hours into the game. It's already outdated. I think you are town now because of your tone and because you are responding to posts that aren't directly pointed towards you unlike what you do when you roll scum.

Insert obligatory comment about how gut reads are terrible and you should be ashamed of yourself for using them.

Why MattZed? You haven't talked about him yet, lol.

Titus

I feel like this vote is opportunistic and uncharacteristic of the NU from the previous two games who was leading rather than sheeping onto trains. You didn't even explain the vote either aside from one glib comment above that didn't even make sense in context. Care to explain further?

[Titus]

What the fuck? Are half of my posts invisible or are scum just that desperate to mislynch me on Day 1?

I issue a challenge to Darkness to be useful with their vote. They say I have done nothing but comment on the thread.

People are taking a tortuous reading of "shouldn't be the lynch" to argue SP did not 180 on his stance.
YB has done nothing but policy lynches. I highlighted that (along with others).

Yet, I am doing nothing when I am spending every moment I have trying to scumhunt people but my comments get ignored and then I get called scummy for responding to comments made about me because I allegedly only did that.

What nonsense.

Then Never Unlucky implies I have no experience in the game to make my value look less. Of course, the thread should be able to at least see that as a fiction.

[DarknessB]

What the fuck? Are half of my posts invisible or are scum just that desperate to mislynch me on Day 1?

I issue a challenge to Darkness to be useful with their vote. They say I have done nothing but comment on the thread.

People are taking a tortuous reading of "shouldn't be the lynch" to argue SP did not 180 on his stance.
YB has done nothing but policy lynches. I highlighted that (along with others).

Yet, I am doing nothing when I am spending every moment I have trying to scumhunt people but my comments get ignored and then I get called scummy for responding to comments made about me because I allegedly only did that.

What nonsense.

Then Never Unlucky implies I have no experience in the game to make my value look less. Of course, the thread should be able to at least see that as a fiction.

Challenge accepted.

Never Unlucky
This is not the NU from the past two games in a number of noteable ways. Town NU tunnels beyond belief and is relentless in pushing people. The NU of this game got into a minor tiff with MiniZed and basically let it go with no explanation other than "I'm satisfied", which almost comes off like he's trying to avoid burning the bridge in terms of future political capital. I.e. people not hating him when he'll need votes for later.

Town NU leads the charge with votes and provides mass amounts of justification behind them (more than you'd ever possibly want). This NU timidly jumps onto a building train without even explaining his vote. The NU of the past two games would never let himself be led by SP, who has provided his usual assortment of ridiculous theory points and unexplained leads. Something is up with this NU and I don't like it.

Town NU also does VCA and judges the participants on a train to determine whether it's a good train. This NU completely ignores the fact that no one has made any sort of an explanation on Titus other than "she seems a bit reactive".

This NU seems pretty damn scummy to me. Discuss.

[DarknessB]

For reference later, here's the current state of votes when I made my assessment than the Titus train is crap:

Titus (4 [L-3]): MattZed, Never Unlucky, MiniZed, secondpassing
MattZed (3 [L-4]): Eggy, yzb25, Mesk514
Mesk514 (1 [L-6]): GameFreak
Never Unlucky (1 [L-6]): DarknessB
secondpassing (1 [L-6]): Titus

[Never Unlucky]

What are you suggesting exactly? Titus is a very experienced player with a significant number of games logged on multiple sites.

Vladimir Putin is a man who has been very generous to his people. He promotes freedom of press and freedom of speech by not jailing/killing journalists that go against him and would never approve the execution of a Russian spy who has revealed secret things about his government. He hasn't stolen land from a significant number of other countries since he was "elected".He truly is a man of people, just like Titus is an experienced player. That goes without saying.


What is your read on MZ exactly, NU?

I have none. Meta-wise he'd be town -- he was far less active when he replaced scums in IC and AI, but that's not enough to read him. I'd read through his posts again and come back to you with an embryo of a read if I wasn't lazy and busy. Deal with it.


Insert obligatory comment about how gut reads are terrible and you should be ashamed of yourself for using them.

I know :/ I told myself that I was going to step up my play in the coming games, but I'm too lazy to try to improve it as of now. Maybe later in the game I'll kick myself in the butt and spend time making constructive posts and proof-reading the thread a couple times.


I feel like this vote is opportunistic and uncharacteristic of the NU from the previous two games who was leading rather than sheeping onto trains.

Even when I led trains you called me 'NU the Sheep', sir. :P

Why do you feel it is opportunistic? I don't like the slot, I voted for it, case closed. If you think that I voted Titus because SP voted her before me, then I inform you that you are a mad man. I would never sheep SP.


You didn't even explain the vote either aside from one glib comment above that didn't even make sense in context. Care to explain further?

Like I said, her posts aren't pushing the discussion further in my eyes. Her one-liners are really just comments you'd find under a YouTube video. Not worth reading.

See, her posts aren't contributing and aren't troll posts. Why is she posting then? It looks like she's just trying to appear like she's contributing. You'll call it gut, I'll call it magic.

[Never Unlucky]

What the fuck? Are half of my posts invisible or are scum just that desperate to mislynch me on Day 1?

Bruh, scum's got more important targets to lynch.


I issue a challenge to Darkness to be useful with their vote. They say I have done nothing but comment on the thread.

Nah, that's what I said. DB is just plagiarizing me, bruh. Besides, I don't see what use your vote on SP has.


YB has done nothing but policy lynches. I highlighted that (along with others).
Your point? Why do you put "along with others" in parantheses? It seems like you're trying to give yourself credit when you've just been a sheep of this idea, not a flag holder.


Yet, I am doing nothing when I am spending every moment I have trying to scumhunt people but my comments get ignored and then I get called scummy for responding to comments made about me because I allegedly only did that.

You didn't scumhunt for shit, lma0. Look, your vote is on SP.


What nonsense.

Aww, I now feel sorry for you. You are the victim of this blatant situation and should be wrapped in cotton so your feelings don't get hurt.


Then Never Unlucky implies I have no experience in the game to make my value look less. Of course, the thread should be able to at least see that as a fiction.

I'd prefer calling myself a noob if I were you. Calling yourself experienced is an insult to the Great Ones.

I'm not doing this to discredit you, I'm giving you my opinion on you.

[DarknessB]

This does not feel like Town NU at all. There's almost a distinct lack of energy and focus uncharacteristic of his Town play. This feels like "it's hard to scumhunt when I know the scum" NU.


Vladimir Putin is a man who has been very generous to his people. He promotes freedom of press and freedom of speech by not jailing/killing journalists that go against him and would never approve the execution of a Russian spy who has revealed secret things about his government. He hasn't stolen land from a significant number of other countries since he was "elected".He truly is a man of people, just like Titus is an experienced player. That goes without saying.

This has what to do with the game? I feel like you're channeling SP / yzb with the irrelevant references.

I have none. Meta-wise he'd be town -- he was far less active when he replaced scums in IC and AI, but that's not enough to read him. I'd read through his posts again and come back to you with an embryo of a read if I wasn't lazy and busy. Deal with it.

You bothered to make a point of writing up that you have no read and that I should deal with it? Town NU is not this lackadaisical at all. It literally would have taken you 5 minutes to review MZ's posts in the game.

I know :/ I told myself that I was going to step up my play in the coming games, but I'm too lazy to try to improve it as of now. Maybe later in the game I'll kick myself in the butt and spend time making constructive posts and proof-reading the thread a couple times.

Apathy, but to be fair, it's more about playstyle -- NAI.

Even when I led trains you called me 'NU the Sheep', sir. :P

Sure, so you've downgraded yourself to jumping on trains without explaining why? At least the Town NU of the previous two games tried. This NU seems like he's content to act like Scum Eggy -- lazy and sheeping onto trains.

Why do you feel it is opportunistic? I don't like the slot, I voted for it, case closed. If you think that I voted Titus because SP voted her before me, then I inform you that you are a mad man. I would never sheep SP.

You're really going with "I don't like the slot" as the justification for your vote? If Calix were in this game instead of hosting it, she'd blast you for being lazy and not even explaining your vote.

Like I said, her posts aren't pushing the discussion further in my eyes. Her one-liners are really just comments you'd find under a YouTube video. Not worth reading.

You're basically saying it's not even worth reading Titus' posts? Dude, this is the least critical read I've ever seen from you. You are oozing scum with the lack of giving a shit about your vote, especially compared to your hyperactive self in the past two games.

See, her posts aren't contributing and aren't troll posts. Why is she posting then? It looks like she's just trying to appear like she's contributing. You'll call it gut, I'll call it magic.

You don't get a pass for troll posts -- I have no idea what you're suggesting there. I agree that her play has been a bit reactionary, but yours has been drastically different from your Town play over the last two games. I hope everyone else sees this as well.

[DarknessB]

Thoughts:


Bruh, scum's got more important targets to lynch.

Glib, non-responsive comment.

Nah, that's what I said. DB is just plagiarizing me, bruh. Besides, I don't see what use your vote on SP has.

I actually didn't say that about Titus at all. Titus is suggesting that she's contributing because she's pushing me to use my vote, which I did.

Your point? Why do you put "along with others" in parantheses? It seems like you're trying to give yourself credit when you've just been a sheep of this idea, not a flag holder.

Titus didn't like the yzb's policy lynch happy approach, but agreed, a number of other players were more vocal. Fair point, albeit nuanced.

You didn't scumhunt for shit, lma0. Look, your vote is on SP.

Titus' vote came off a little bit OMGUS to me, but it could have been out of frustration given SP's vote had no explanation behind it and he had been waxing poetically instead of trying to read people. The post that seemed to move his vote was Mesk claiming Citizen.

Aww, I now feel sorry for you. You are the victim of this blatant situation and should be wrapped in cotton so your feelings don't get hurt.

I'd prefer calling myself a noob if I were you. Calling yourself experienced is an insult to the Great Ones.

I'm not doing this to discredit you, I'm giving you my opinion on you.

Rest is condescension / filler.

[Never Unlucky]

Challenge accepted.

If I challenged you to unban Duck, would you accept this noble challenge?


Never Unlucky
This is not the NU from the past two games in a number of noteable ways. Town NU tunnels beyond belief and is relentless in pushing people.

No one slipped this game. I've had no coal to start the train going. Gimme a hand, would you? I'd gladly tunnel anyone this game for the sake of tunneling and living to my town meta.

Also, you forget that town!NU says that he is town -- I am 100% town.

Scum!NU doesn't troll. I soft trolled this game.


The NU of this game got into a minor tiff with MiniZed and basically let it go with no explanation other than "I'm satisfied", which almost comes off like he's trying to avoid burning the bridge in terms of future political capital. I.e. people not hating him when he'll need votes for later.

Truth be told, I wasn't satisfied with his responses. The discussion was going nowhere though, and I had some more important stuff to do IRL. I just wanted to get rid of the annoyance that arguing with Unknown is.
"I.e. people not hating him when he'll need votes for later." I'm not that kind of guy, you know it. I'm confrontational in my posts when I can, people'll hate me for it. Good for them.



Town NU leads the charge with votes and provides mass amounts of justification behind them (more than you'd ever possibly want).

u trollin me or wat

You said that my reasoning behind my votes was lacking postgame in Blind Faith Nightless. That's a contradiction.


This NU timidly jumps onto a building train without even explaining his vote.

kek, I explained it. But I agree that it seemed timid the way I presented it.


The NU of the past two games would never let himself be led by SP, who has provided his usual assortment of ridiculous theory points and unexplained leads. Something is up with this NU and I don't like it.


Damn, sucks not being an attention whore when you have the spotlight on yourself, eh?


Town NU also does VCA and judges the participants on a train to determine whether it's a good train.

I never did VCA. I don't even know how to copy-paste the votes from the vote count.


This NU seems pretty damn scummy to me. Discuss.

Bruh.

[DarknessB]

Responses:


If I challenged you to unban Duck, would you accept this noble challenge?

Irrelevant out of game reference related to in-game moderation of the SC2 mod.

No one slipped this game. I've had no coal to start the train going. Gimme a hand, would you? I'd gladly tunnel anyone this game for the sake of tunneling and living to my town meta.

Since when have you needed slips to tunnel people? There's plenty of material around in fact -- yzb's odd obsession with policy lynches, SP's obsession with every vote adding to a train, MZ's instant use of read walls (satirical as they may be), GF's hit and run posting (which he usually does), Titus' somewhat reactionary style (which you didn't even go into before voting her), Mesk's role claim and posts, etc.

Also, you forget that town!NU says that he is town -- I am 100% town.

If you're resorting to the Mesk-type claim to exonerate you, you're screwed buddy.

Scum!NU doesn't troll. I soft trolled this game.

Trolling for you is NAI honestly -- I don't think you can resist it.

Truth be told, I wasn't satisfied with his responses. The discussion was going nowhere though, and I had some more important stuff to do IRL. I just wanted to get rid of the annoyance that arguing with Unknown is.
"I.e. people not hating him when he'll need votes for later." I'm not that kind of guy, you know it. I'm confrontational in my posts when I can, people'll hate me for it. Good for them.

This is sketchy as fuck dude -- you weren't in fact satisfied, but you let it go? You're digging the hole even deeper with your apathy this game. Town NU didn't let ANYTHING go over the past two games. MiniZed's posts don't satisfy you and you basically let him go off on his merry way vs. pushing further? Wow..

u trollin me or wat

You said that my reasoning behind my votes was lacking postgame in Blind Faith Nightless. That's a contradiction.

At the very least, you engaged with the players before you voted them, like me, Simple Joy in IC and SP in BFN. In contrast, you literally tossed a vote in on Titus in the manner that Scum Eggy from IC would.

kek, I explained it. But I agree that it seemed timid the way I presented it.

The tone was way off and seemed opportunistic.

Damn, sucks not being an attention whore when you have the spotlight on yourself, eh?

Non-responsive.

I never did VCA. I don't even know how to copy-paste the votes from the vote count.

You didn't formally do VCA, but you unvoted Iced in BFN because you got nervous when I voted him as well -- that's essentially VCA in terms of judging a lynch by the people who are on that train.

Bruh.

[Never Unlucky]

This does not feel like Town NU at all. There's almost a distinct lack of energy and focus uncharacteristic of his Town play. This feels like "it's hard to scumhunt when I know the scum" NU.

There is a lack of energy and effort. I started school today and also passed my driving test. My free time has gone down a mile, and I am more tired than usual. I don't tend to use my RL situation as an excuse, but I think you're expecting too much from me now, so I told you about it.

I don't know who the scum are this game.


This has what to do with the game? I feel like you're channeling SP / yzb with the irrelevant references.

Fucking conservatives...


You bothered to make a point of writing up that you have no read and that I should deal with it? Town NU is not this lackadaisical at all. It literally would have taken you 5 minutes to review MZ's posts in the game.

Yeah, no. Look at my BN and IC. In those last two town games of mine I specifically said that I had no reads on MiniZed/Unknown on day 1. I couldn't quite grasp a feel of his alignement, and this is the same thing just now. I'm not being [nerd word DB used].


Sure, so you've downgraded yourself to jumping on trains without explaining why? At least the Town NU of the previous two games tried. This NU seems like he's content to act like Scum Eggy -- lazy and sheeping onto trains.
If you want me to, I can start a train on Char Char and get town points for it. Because I'm voting someone who already has votes on him, I'm sheeping, eh?

DB, you're a http://i.giphy.com/s4Q3geM5T1XCo.gif


You're really going with "I don't like the slot" as the justification for your vote? If Calix were in this game instead of hosting it, she'd blast you for being lazy and not even explaining your vote.
It's not my explanation for the vote. The explanation can be found in my gut reads list and in one of my other shitposts. Lel, misrep, lel.


You're basically saying it's not even worth reading Titus' posts? Dude, this is the least critical read I've ever seen from you. You are oozing scum with the lack of giving a shit about your vote, especially compared to your hyperactive self in the past two games.

Is it bad if this made me laugh?


You don't get a pass for troll posts -- I have no idea what you're suggesting there. I agree that her play has been a bit reactionary, but yours has been drastically different from your Town play over the last two games. I hope everyone else sees this as well.

The two things that are different from my previous town play -- Not tunneling (I explained why) and being lazier (I explained why).

Dude, if you're tying to scum-read me, compare this play to my scumplays. You'll get a better read off me. (Obvious scum? -> Scum. Not obvious scum AND similar to town play? -> town. Read me this way and you'll do yourself a huge favor.)

[Never Unlucky]

Responses:


Since when have you needed slips to tunnel people? There's plenty of material around in fact -- yzb's odd obsession with policy lynches, SP's obsession with every vote adding to a train, MZ's instant use of read walls (satirical as they may be), GF's hit and run posting (which he usually does), Titus' somewhat reactionary style (which you didn't even go into before voting her), Mesk's role claim and posts, etc.
I roll with the slips.

Nothing you've mentioned is worth tunneling nor worth my time (Second comment was to piss you off.)


If you're resorting to the Mesk-type claim to exonerate you, you're screwed buddy.

I am town. Screw me now.


Trolling for you is NAI honestly -- I don't think you can resist it.

I never trolled as scum.


This is sketchy as fuck dude -- you weren't in fact satisfied, but you let it go? You're digging the hole even deeper with your apathy this game. Town NU didn't let ANYTHING go over the past two games. MiniZed's posts don't satisfy you and you basically let him go off on his merry way vs. pushing further? Wow..

Bro, you're the first one to say meta reads are shit and that's your ground for scum-reading me.

And tell me, why would scum!NU be honest about letting MiniZed jump off the train before the engine started when it makes him look scummy?

[secondpassing]

Of note, you voted Titus before her vote back against you (which made her look a bit bad) -- i.e.you did not provide any explanation when you made the vote above. Care to explain why Titus? You of all people know that votes without explanations are themselves suspicious.

I quoted my "Cool" post, which was in response to Mesk514's claim, which oddly, no one commented on.
She could have said "I am not scum" or her usual "I am town" but she said, "I am a citizen".
Which could be some weird strat???? In any case, it is a roleclaim that prevents her from claiming anything else down the line. (she actually can, but lets not go there)
Why she chose to claim early, why she chose to claim citizen, what would I do if she claimed something else in the future, why she chose to claim citizen to me are all questions I did not find an answer for, but...
Due to her word choice, I believe her claim.

Once I had figured out that Mesk is more likely to be town, I opened the vote count. This is what I saw:

Titus (2 [L-5]):
MattZed, MiniZed
MiniZed (1 [L-6]):
Never Unlucky
yzb25 (2 [L-5]):
Eggy, Titus
Mesk514 (1 [L-6]):
GameFreak
MattZed (2 [L-5]):
yzb25, Mesk514
BananaCucho (1 [L-6]):
DarknessB

Highlighted are the largest trains. I have yet to sort out yzb25 vs MattZed. Eggy and Titus additionally are players that give me pause, as I fear they could be scum. Self-proclaimed town leader is currently voting Titus. I hopped on to apply pressure, not because I was scum reading Titus at that point. Since Titus had responded in one-liners (could still be typical of MS), I wanted to investigate.

And I think my investigation paid off.



Didn't SP explicitly say that he wasn't going to rule out reading experienced players today? I feel like anyone who would categorically rule out lynching 4-5 different players in a game because they are experienced would immediately be suspected of an agenda, and rightfully so.

Correct.

The way I write things seems to be less easily understood.What I said:
I didn't expect BananaCucho to say not to lynch the more experienced player.
I'm going to attempt to read the experienced players.

[Never Unlucky]

Self-proclaimed town leader is currently voting Titus. I hopped on to apply pressure, not because I was scum reading Titus at that point. Since Titus had responded in one-liners (could still be typical of MS), I wanted to investigate.

And I think my investigation paid off.

Meaning?

Dang, the train on Titus is shit. 2 votes from RVS, 1 pressure vote and my good vote.

Still better than the train on me -- 1 vote from a clown because he was ASKED to vote.

[secondpassing]

You have expressed nothing of value to respond to me. You addressed other players.

Right. It was a 180 On your position. You stated "everyone is a town read". Titus is null. We shouldn't lynch experienced players. Vote Titus. You claimed I am an experienced player and thus should not be lynched.

Rather than face the hypocricsy you deflect and claim my response is terrible


How are you supposed to tell with Titus? Um, I guess a little bit town by attitude, but I have to wonder why they post the things they do. Something about her vote puts me off. What did you think of her posts?


This was my read on you. I guess I was wrong when I said that I was town reading everyone, I should have said I was slightly town reading most people, strong town reading a few people- er one person, and scum reading 1.5 players (let's not talk about Char Char).

There was no 180 on you. You were null.



What the fuck? Are half of my posts invisible or are scum just that desperate to mislynch me on Day 1?

I issue a challenge to Darkness to be useful with their vote. They say I have done nothing but comment on the thread.

People are taking a tortuous reading of "shouldn't be the lynch" to argue SP did not 180 on his stance.
YB has done nothing but policy lynches. I highlighted that (along with others).

Yet, I am doing nothing when I am spending every moment I have trying to scumhunt people but my comments get ignored and then I get called scummy for responding to comments made about me because I allegedly only did that.

What nonsense.

Then Never Unlucky implies I have no experience in the game to make my value look less. Of course, the thread should be able to at least see that as a fiction.

Your posts are not invisible, they are simply shorter than some other people who like to write essays. If you write an essay, people will think: "Hey look they posted!" Whether or not they read it is a different matter. Why would scum want to lynch you that badly?

I see nothing wrong with policy lynch talking early in the day, especially by yzb25 right now, since they are commenting on other things. So I do not feel like he is using "lets push for a policy lynch" in order to cover up discussing anything else.

Maybe it's simply a SITE META difference. Over here, some players (myself included) expect others to comment on things that were not directly addressed to them.

I sense heavy emotion here that I am going to try to ignore.

[secondpassing]

Meaning?

Dang, the train on Titus is shit. 2 votes from RVS, 1 pressure vote and my good vote.

Still better than the train on me -- 1 vote from a clown because he was ASKED to vote.

Titus seems to be scum right now. This is what the investigation paid me. Your thoughts on her reaction so far?

I will come back to analyze your train. I'm just a little sad that DarknessB moves his vote when Titus challenges him to but didn't move it when I called him out on it.

[secondpassing]

I gotta make dinner, will try to analyze long wall posts later.

[Never Unlucky]

Titus seems to be scum right now. This is what the investigation paid me. Your thoughts on her reaction so far?

I will come back to analyze your train. I'm just a little sad that DarknessB moves his vote when Titus challenges him to but didn't move it when I called him out on it.

So you are some kind of private investigator, correct?

I replied to all of her lines already.


I gotta make dinner, will try to analyze long wall posts later.

What are 'short wall posts' then?

[BananaCucho]

Um trying to read this but its making me fall asleep. You guys are boring

[BananaCucho]

You literally have no understanding what an RVS vote is, do you? Banana and I are friends and she's coming back from a break so I thought it was funny. Seriously, fuck off with your shade on stupid crap. You remind me of Kovath in IC with arguments like this.

This is fun though lol

[MiniZed]

I'm caught up in something, but I don't like how Nu is throwing shade on people (me, Titus, Darkness) while completely failing to refute points and avoiding interactions with others entirely.

Why did nobody answer the questions? I know some can't be answered but I think the questions were fair in terms of discussion opposed to NU and Darkness bickering back and forth.

NU you don't just say "I am satisfied with your responses" when you aren't. What the fuck I don't even think Eggy talks as stupid as this.

I'll catch up on the rest.

[BananaCucho]

Even though I skimmed everything and read nothing, I don't get why Titus and MattZed have 3 votes already each. I am going to push back against the Titus hate though.

Never Unlucky

[Never Unlucky]

I'm caught up in something, but I don't like how Nu is throwing shade on people (me, Titus, Darkness) while completely failing to refute points and avoiding interactions with others entirely.
Scum-reading someone =/= throwing shade. I nitpicked stuff in Titus and your behavior I found scummy, that's not throwing shade, kek. Also, where the fuck did I throw shade on DB?

I refuted all of DB's refutable points that were made against me. Titus and you don't have a case on me for me to refute anything.

Avoiding interactions with others! xD
I'm the one who's had the most interactions with other players in here -- Eggy, Titus, DB, you, yzb, SP and to some extent MZ and Mesk. Good point you made there, fam. It's clear that you stuck with your habit of not reading posts.



Why did nobody answer the questions? I know some can't be answered but I think the questions were fair in terms of discussion opposed to NU and Darkness bickering back and forth.

No one wants to sit and answer a post full of questions that aren't all relevant. If you think your questions deserve being responded to, be more direct and emphasize your line of thought.


NU you don't just say "I am satisfied with your responses" when you aren't. What the fuck I don't even think Eggy talks as stupid as this.

Yes, I did. I didn't get the feel that you were scum from this interaction, there's no point in me continuing this discussion that was going nowhere especially not when you were the interlocutor.

"ermahgerd your is frowing shayde on eggee ermahgerd"

[Never Unlucky]

Even though I skimmed everything and read nothing, I don't get why Titus and MattZed have 3 votes already each. I am going to push back against the Titus hate though.

Never Unlucky

DarknessB : This vote is opportunistic and you back it up with no explanation. Care to explain why?
This is different from the BC from the last two games who wasn't afraid to lead trains and yadeeyadeeya.

[Never Unlucky]

Even though I skimmed everything and read nothing, I don't get why Titus and MattZed have 3 votes already each. I am going to push back against the Titus hate though.

Never Unlucky

DarknessB : This vote is opportunistic and you back it up with no explanation. Care to explain why?
This is different from the BC from the last two games who wasn't afraid to lead trains and ...

[BananaCucho]

DarknessB : This vote is opportunistic and you back it up with no explanation. Care to explain why?
This is different from the BC from the last two games who wasn't afraid to lead trains and yadeeyadeeya.

Have we met?

[Never Unlucky]

Have we met?

We have met in AI. You were executioner and got shot by RLVG night one.

That doesn't explain your vote though, kind lad.

[BananaCucho]

We have met in AI. You were executioner and got shot by RLVG night one.

That doesn't explain your vote though, kind lad.

So you're trying to meta me based off of a game where I was an executioner?

I gave a reason for my vote. Like it or hate it, it's there.

[BananaCucho]

Actually I derped. I didn't see you had moved your vote

secondpassing

[BananaCucho]

I legit scrolled through the last page 3 times and never saw you remove your vote. Wtf

[Never Unlucky]

So you're trying to meta me based off of a game where I was an executioner?

I gave a reason for my vote. Like it or hate it, it's there.
I'm not trying to meta read you. I was mocking DB.

I'm not accepting your apathy for a response.

[BananaCucho]

I'm not trying to meta read you. I was mocking DB.

I'm not accepting your apathy for a response.

K.

[Never Unlucky]

I legit scrolled through the last page 3 times and never saw you remove your vote. Wtf

I quoted you and didn't remove one of the [vote] tags, so the game glitched and removed my vote.

[BananaCucho]

I quoted you and didn't remove one of the [vote] tags, so the game glitched and removed my vote.

Then I was right with my vote on you.

Never Unlucky

[MattZed]

I'm done random voting. Not going to crucify Titus over a weak sense of host meta.

Main thing pinging my attention since I was last on is Eggy's justification for voting me. He spends an entire post giving reads on current people based largely on meta, but when it gets to me, he thinks I'm "probable scum" despite my play not matching what he considers my scum meta. Eggy just so happens to have a gut scumread on one of the larger trains that goes against his meta reasoning? That's just too convenient, and I don't buy it.

Eggy

Also not a fan of how he's fine lynching me or Titus, but holds BC as a scumread vs a null read on Titus.

[Eggy]

Saying Titus is an experienced player is like saying Vladimir Putin is a man of people.


Eggy, you're making the same mistake as last game. You're only looking at MattZed from the scum perspective. You should give try to give both sides of the coin and say which of the sides you agree with rather than simply thinking that X is scum.

It's a (gut) reads list I made 12 hours into the game. It's already outdated. I think you are town now because of your tone and because you are responding to posts that aren't directly pointed towards you unlike what you do when you roll scum.



Why MattZed? You haven't talked about him yet, lol.

Titus

Reread my posts I replied to his reads lists I tlked about him more than anyone except YZ. My scum pool as of now is Mattzed, banana and titus null/scum I have no idea what to think about YZ since people say its his meta to have weird logic.

[Eggy]

I gotta go though my birthday ill be on later tmrw.

[MattZed]

Reread my posts I replied to his reads lists I tlked about him more than anyone except YZ. My scum pool as of now is Mattzed, banana and titus null/scum I have no idea what to think about YZ since people say its his meta to have weird logic.


I gotta go though my birthday ill be on later tmrw.
Isn't that cute? You show up mere minutes after I vote you and all you can do is summarize what I already said about you in my vote post? You're criminally eager to whip up justification on the biggest trains and just disappear.

[BananaCucho]

Isn't that cute? You show up mere minutes after I vote you and all you can do is summarize what I already said about you in my vote post? You're criminally eager to whip up justification on the biggest trains and just disappear.

Zzzzz

[MattZed]

ISO on yzb25

19 - Fluff; votes NU
24 - Fluff; votes me
27 - suggests Eggy PL to start at 24 hours in
29 - Fluff
31 - Fluff response to my fluff
32 - Justifies PL on Eggy instead of Mesk because Mesk talks more
34 - Clarifies that PL on Eggy is largely an expectation he will be inactive unless voted like in S-FM Insanity
39 - explains training Eggy at 24 hours in to allow time for having more trains later
45 - Fluff, tells Mesk no one is proposing a PL on her this early
52 - says that pressure voting is still effective even if you say its for pressure
54 - Fluff
60 - Asks NU to clarify why he's so struck by the "pointlessness" of MiniZed's Page 1 questions
62 - expresses willingness to shift his "24 hour pressure" mode to a new target if Eggy is more active this game
69 - Signs off for the night
132 - Confusion on terminology
135 - Explains to Darkness that policy pressure is still effective because we aren't committed to taking the pressure off; more justification of Eggy pressure because of the unpleasantness of fighting about inactive slots after the game
136 - More terminology confusion
146 - Fluff
150 - explores the nature of Eggy's aggression and asks Mesk to comment on if it's normal
151 - Tells Darkness he'll start ISO'ing players.

A consistent theme I see out of yzb is that he's highly driven by pro-town organizing play, namely making sure town uses its voting pressure effectively to sort out as many suspects as possible and to keep inactive slots from remaining inactive. A shortfall, however, is that he hasn't done any scumhunting, but last left off suggesting he would. Spending the early part of the day to discuss strategy, before any notable content has gone by, seems quite the effective town strategy. However, he's yet to follow this up with actually trying to select anyone he finds scummy, even saying in #62 he can change his policy lynch to another target if that's how the rest of town feels. His vote is still on me because he hasn't made an opinion to change his random vote over. yzb is so far a follower through-and-through; he hesitates to form a read on Eggy because he wants to hear Mesk's perspective on Eggy's meta first, thus shifting the entire burden of making a read to someone else. I can see the blatant pro-town organizing as town-motivated, but without the follow-through, it's worrying.

Verdict: Scumlean. However, this read is subject to change based on whether yzb actually comes back to do any ISOs. If they're good, I'd be more than willing to simply see yzb as an initially cautious town who was setting up optimal lynches and pressure. If not, then he's a shy scum who picks on perceived lurkers and isn't willing to give any opinion that might not be well-received. I am very interested to know how sincere his promise to ISO really is.

[MiniZed]

Scum-reading someone =/= throwing shade. I nitpicked stuff in Titus and your behavior I found scummy, that's not throwing shade, kek. Also, where the fuck did I throw shade on DB?

I refuted all of DB's refutable points that were made against me. Titus and you don't have a case on me for me to refute anything.

Avoiding interactions with others! xD
I'm the one who's had the most interactions with other players in here -- Eggy, Titus, DB, you, yzb, SP and to some extent MZ and Mesk. Good point you made there, fam. It's clear that you stuck with your habit of not reading posts.



No one wants to sit and answer a post full of questions that aren't all relevant. If you think your questions deserve being responded to, be more direct and emphasize your line of thought.



Yes, I did. I didn't get the feel that you were scum from this interaction, there's no point in me continuing this discussion that was going nowhere especially not when you were the interlocutor.

"ermahgerd your is frowing shayde on eggee ermahgerd"

Reading this post really bothers me with all the attitude and hostility you show. Really working for you.

You have consistently said what I do is scummy when I have done this many times before. You also haven't addressed it which makes me feel like you are either ignoring it or choosing not to respond because it makes you look bad.

Most of the points where I refute your argument are ignored because they aren't "relevant" for you. You have a convenient excuse for everything.

You have pretty much only spoken to Darkness. Saying you had an interaction with Titus is weak. You never spoke to Mesk, other then backing her RVS voting stuff. You don't have as many interactions as you claim to have apparently, and I'm not going to go back and prove it because I know I'm not wrong. It feels like you're just talking not scum-hunting.

What do you mean they aren't relevant? Please explain how my questions aren't

1.) relevant to the game.

2.) does not hear from other people.

3.) does not create discussion.

I've already heard more from SP after he answered those questions which may have helped me read him better. They clearly were relevant enough for him.

So you didn't like how I answered the posts, but you didn't think I was scum from this interaction. Don't understand what you are trying to say right now.

[MiniZed]

I gotta go though my birthday ill be on later tmrw.

Happy birthday! Mesk let you a note.

[MiniZed]

I legit scrolled through the last page 3 times and never saw you remove your vote. Wtf

When he did the vote tag it got taken off. It's a little fuzzy that way.

[MiniZed]

Also because I know it's going to be taken wrong the first line in my recent paragraph was telling you to stop being so arrogant.

[MiniZed]

Well MattZed, while you're here... I'll start off slow.

What makes you pick Eggy over yzb25 in your more current update?

[MiniZed]

Titus Eggy GameFreak I want you to look at the questions I posted. I feel it best to get more interactions from you guys since youhaven't said a ton.

[MattZed]

Well MattZed, while you're here... I'll start off slow.

What makes you pick Eggy over yzb25 in your more current update?
I wanted to give yzb a chance to prove himself before trying to start a train on him, but I'm not opposed to voting either of them.

[Titus]

I will have more substantial analysis tomorrow (company was over) but BC is pretty obvtown based on his vote reaction thing on this page. Wtf did I see, no that's not what it was is pretty fucking townie. I'm tired so sorry if that didn't come out here.

NU seems more interested in political speeches than scumhunting.

I like Darkness so far. Strong townlean there. Same with the Zeds. Is there an easy way to tell them apart? I keep getting them confused.

I don't like NU, Or second passing much at the moment.

MiniZed, I am doing a quick skim through and did not see the questions you wanted answered? Bold please.

[MiniZed]

Secondpassing now that you're around, I have a few questions.

Do you think Eggy is being more aggressive or more defensive?

Sounds like you are giving Titus a free pass. How do you feel about the posts in particular, not the length. Does it come from a town/scum perspective for you?

What do you think of the argument NU presented upon me and Titus? I know that I've commented on where he tries to use things that I've done to seem scummy when I've done it a lot as town as well. Does his tone seem similar to his previous scum game or different?

Do you think Mesk is playing like her scum-self? Or does her more recent post come from a town perspective? I think Mesk is probably more likely town given she doesn't try to put any effort in as scum.

I don't know if you have meta experience much with Darkness, but what do you think of about his play so far? (Same question with MattZed.)

Do you think my questions and tone come from a scum perspective?

Does anything from GameFreak stand out to you? I feel his play is coming off similar to Darkness when he was remaining neutral and mostly agreeing/going off on other players vibes,

What was your overall read from Bananas post? You seem to interprete it as something Banana wouldn't say. Does that make you think it's scum!banana? I think Bananas post was more pointing out the obvious and didn't leave much to work with. I didn't get the impression that Banana was suggesting not to read into the active players as she included 6 ppl and to ignore half the game is rather extreme.

These questions really can be answered by anyone at this point.

These questions. I know they wernt addressed to you but it's to get discussing continuing and to hear from others.

[MattZed]

I will have more substantial analysis tomorrow (company was over) but BC is pretty obvtown based on his vote reaction thing on this page. Wtf did I see, no that's not what it was is pretty fucking townie. I'm tired so sorry if that didn't come out here.

NU seems more interested in political speeches than scumhunting.

I like Darkness so far. Strong townlean there. Same with the Zeds. Is there an easy way to tell them apart? I keep getting them confused.

I don't like NU, Or second passing much at the moment.

MiniZed, I am doing a quick skim through and did not see the questions you wanted answered? Bold please.
I find it worrying that your list of townreads is basically the list BC highlighted earlier of the more skilled/experienced players in this game. I especially concerned that you are conflating skill, which is NAI, with alignment. Do you have anything to say to this concern?

[secondpassing]

Reading this post really bothers me with all the attitude and hostility you show. Really working for you.

You have consistently said what I do is scummy when I have done this many times before. You also haven't addressed it which makes me feel like you are either ignoring it or choosing not to respond because it makes you look bad.

Most of the points where I refute your argument are ignored because they aren't "relevant" for you. You have a convenient excuse for everything.

You have pretty much only spoken to Darkness. Saying you had an interaction with Titus is weak. You never spoke to Mesk, other then backing her RVS voting stuff. You don't have as many interactions as you claim to have apparently, and I'm not going to go back and prove it because I know I'm not wrong. It feels like you're just talking not scum-hunting.

What do you mean they aren't relevant? Please explain how my questions aren't

1.) relevant to the game.

2.) does not hear from other people.

3.) does not create discussion.

I've already heard more from SP after he answered those questions which may have helped me read him better. They clearly were relevant enough for him.

So you didn't like how I answered the posts, but you didn't think I was scum from this interaction. Don't understand what you are trying to say right now.

I don't think people usually consciously ignore questions for the FACT that it makes them look bad. This is just much like most misrepresentations are not done intentionally-- but that's a little off-topic and I'll probably have to explain why sooner or later.

About this scum hunting thing... I'll have to re-examine Never Unlucky at a later date for that.

I answered the questions especially since they were next in the timeline to me. (You gave them to me after a game a Hearthstone.) And others may simply have missed them. Please answer those questions people. I would like to hear your reactions too. It would help us to find players who are scum. So help. Please. Or at the very least voice your opinion on why you are unwilling to answer them.

Never Unlucky You've given a basic reads list, but I don't see how you not answering the questions does not help; so instead, please help.

"ermahgerd your is frowing shayde on eggee ermahgerd"
This made me laugh so hard.

Back towards talking to MiniZed:
I'm getting the somewhat of the same impression right now. Part of me is mixed on how I feel on you. If it was me, I would have either attempted to shout the questions at people (good job right here) or just let them drop and re-ask them. I especially like how you answered some of your own questions, which could just be me overcompensating for other's playstyles, but I can't see how it is not pro-town right now.

I picked out this chunk of the vote count because it houses some of the least-agreeable-to-me votes:
MattZed (3 [L-4]):
Eggy, yzb25, Mesk514
Mesk514 (1 [L-6]):
GameFreak

What did you think of them?

[secondpassing]

Challenge accepted.

Never Unlucky
This is not the NU from the past two games in a number of noteable ways. Town NU tunnels beyond belief and is relentless in pushing people. The NU of this game got into a minor tiff with MiniZed and basically let it go with no explanation other than "I'm satisfied", which almost comes off like he's trying to avoid burning the bridge in terms of future political capital. I.e. people not hating him when he'll need votes for later.

Town NU leads the charge with votes and provides mass amounts of justification behind them (more than you'd ever possibly want). This NU timidly jumps onto a building train without even explaining his vote. The NU of the past two games would never let himself be led by SP, who has provided his usual assortment of ridiculous theory points and unexplained leads. Something is up with this NU and I don't like it.

Town NU also does VCA and judges the participants on a train to determine whether it's a good train. This NU completely ignores the fact that no one has made any sort of an explanation on Titus other than "she seems a bit reactive".

This NU seems pretty damn scummy to me. Discuss.

DarknessB: Let's discuss this meta read.
secondpassing: No. Well.. okay fine.

First off, this entire argument(?) debate(?) is based off of pure meta.

White portion is what basically amounts to a gut read. I can discuss this. I get an entirely different feeling when reading your back-and-forth. It sounds more like.
"You sound scummy NU," said DarknessB.
"I don't think I am," said NU.
"You're not doing things I think you would have been doing," said DarknessB.
"I don't give a crap," replied NU.

Sure, I still question why Never Unlucky is acting the way he does, but not in the sense that he is trying to mislead me or hide.
Discussed.

[secondpassing]

hmm i'll go even further Mesk514

i'll lynch his friends first.


Another great readlist by Mattzed how can i possibly question it.

I've never seen Minized before though , who is he ? and are you telling me that during my break Mesk still hasnt been mafia.

I've relooked into GameFreak. (I probably shouldn't, but I couldn't help it.) And these two opening posts give me worry.
Notice how GameFreak votes first and then attempts to explain it? Second part has a very odd choice of words, like he's hoping that Mesk is mafia/hopes other people won't question the read he made after his RVS?

Will need context to explain this occurrence, that means I need either GameFreak to come back and do more than RVS and make more comments, or I need to give this player a pass for not posting + being hard to read.

[secondpassing]

I find it worrying that your list of townreads is basically the list BC highlighted earlier of the more skilled/experienced players in this game. I especially concerned that you are conflating skill, which is NAI, with alignment. Do you have anything to say to this concern?

I find myself saying, "Uh huh, agree" to most of what MattZed has to say. Nowhere do I see you express that you change your read on Titus.
Questions: What makes it that you need to give Eggy priority in voting him? Wouldn't you like to continue the Titus pressure in hopes of extracting more information?

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I disagree with the slight scumlean on yzb25 now, after a reread. Logically I agree with all the points in the ISO, but maybe since I put higher emphasis that players attempting the most correct strategy are pro-town and correlated to being town, I give yzb25 a town lean.

[secondpassing]

Titus seems to be scum right now. This is what the investigation paid me. Your thoughts on her reaction so far?

I will come back to analyze your train. I'm just a little sad that DarknessB moves his vote when Titus challenges him to but didn't move it when I called him out on it.

Lel, just realized you, Never Unlucky, don't have a train.


So you are some kind of private investigator, correct?
Had to look at the setup again lol. Nice. You get a +1.


I replied to all of her lines already.
Sorry.


What are 'short wall posts' then?
Uh. I don't know. Maybe I was drunk when I wrote this.

[secondpassing]

Okay, peace out other member and guest. I'm going to bed.

[Never Unlucky]

I will have more substantial analysis tomorrow (company was over) but BC is pretty obvtown based on his vote reaction thing on this page. Wtf did I see, no that's not what it was is pretty fucking townie. I'm tired so sorry if that didn't come out here.

Pretty obvtown, huh? She's proposed that we do not lynch from the experienced players pool and she OMGUSed me for voting you. Tis all she's done. Her protection of you hasn't gone unnoticed and I wonder what makes her act this way.


NU seems more interested in political speeches than scumhunting.

ayyy


I like Darkness so far. Strong townlean there. Same with the Zeds. Is there an easy way to tell them apart? I keep getting them confused.

Yes, DB is my strongest town read. Very different from his non-confrontational and strategically lurking scum self in BN.

I liked MZ's analysis in his last ISO as well. It was pretty complete.

My points on MiniZee stand. He, like you, doesn't look like he's scum-hunting in his posts and he is going with the consensus of the thread meaning he is scum-reading me. He asks more questions than he answers them, but DB says this is NAI.

Way to differentiate them -- MattZed's posts show logic, MiniZed's showcase emotion.


I don't like NU, Or second passing much at the moment.

Yeah, I don't like this post. You're not explaining your statement, so it looks like you're pulling a SP here by 'not liking' whoever votes you.

[GameFreak]

Hello friends , we've entered D2(irl) so i finally get some posts to work with.

Initial impressions so far is a townlean from DB. DB is showing his classic town behaviour and i enjoy reading his posts.
They follow a nice logic chain that i agree with (especially the posts about NU who is indeed playing very odd)

Mattzed is a weird one , its been so long that i've played a game with him but he was always somebody i was fearful of.
But this game i don't see the aggresive MZ i remember at all. Still he doesn't strike me as scum.
I like his small posts because they spark a discussion that we can use N1 to get better reads.

Onto the scummy ones.

NU is pinging me , for the reasons DB stated but also a certain sentence caught my eye. The good ol "i'm waiting for a slip to do something" Now unfortunate for you
Paladin is not in this game , so you'll be doing nothing for entire game. I don't believe in slips , except yours in Politico but it was your first game.
You have to understand most players in this game are veterans and slipping is an exception.

Toad is also pinging me alot. I will say this read is 95% meta, but every town game she plays she will hunt scum down. This game she is playing a passive observer,
which always happens when she is scum. I recall Flashpoint where she did the same. It could be her break making her a little soft, but this is not the town toad i know.

Eggy, Eh i'm so confused with this one, i just read him stating 3 times that he wasn't defending himself. And i'm pretty sure my last post was pointing out the fact that all he did was defend himself.
Its almost flailing scum. He also said he wasn't giving Mesk a free pass anymore which i like and said she wasn't playing her townstyle but he didn't pressure this much more which i dislike.

Titus, i really want to see some participation, most posts are so null that they are useless. The only thing bugging me is that she must know she is not participating in town discussion but doesn't care while i would expect a scum to atleast try to seem useful.

The rest.

Minized, i don't recall most posts probably why my opinion doesnt sway either way, i do like the fact that you are asking questions and i see i got mentioned and
after this post i'll answer those. I can't get a metaread on you because all i remember is that Insanity game which gives me nothing.

Char Char is giving me the smurf on a shit email vibe that never gets checked and doesn't know a game is active so pls Calix replace.

Yzb and SP i want to make another post on because honestly i cannot for the life of me keep these 2 apart.
When i read their posts i can never follow their logic or i just find them so bloated with useless information it pains me to read through them.
One of them was giving mafia 101 classes and that felt like a scum trying to be useful. Also the Pressure vote on eggy situation was just terrible (i hope it wasnt the same person)

Mesk, again i can't recall the posts but i did find it interesting Eggy of all the people was saying she'd consider her for a policy lynch. I'd like more votes on her but there are more scummy people right now.

IF i forgot somebody i'll add later

Never Unlucky

I agree with DB on this vote and as i said i don't buy into the whole "i havnt seen anything worth pursueing yet"

[Never Unlucky]

DarknessB: Let's discuss this meta read.
secondpassing: No. Well.. okay fine.

First off, this entire argument(?) debate(?) is based off of pure meta.

White portion is what basically amounts to a gut read. I can discuss this. I get an entirely different feeling when reading your back-and-forth. It sounds more like.
"You sound scummy NU," said DarknessB.
"I don't think I am," said NU.
"You're not doing things I think you would have been doing," said DarknessB.
"I don't give a crap," replied NU.

Sure, I still question why Never Unlucky is acting the way he does, but not in the sense that he is trying to mislead me or hide.
Discussed.
lol



I don't think people usually consciously ignore questions for the FACT that it makes them look bad. This is just much like most misrepresentations are not done intentionally-- but that's a little off-topic and I'll probably have to explain why sooner or later.

Yeah, he's wrong. I've honestly answered questions that made me look bad willfully, I'm not answering his big post of questions because they are not relevant in my eyes. If he really cared so much about his answers being answered, he'd direct them at me in a separate post individually.


Never Unlucky You've given a basic reads list, but I don't see how you not answering the questions does not help; so instead, please help.

Please don't ping me like that when it's not an emergency... I read every non-Kovath posts, I will see your post if it's addressed to me.

I really don't get your train of thought here... Gave a read list -> Not answering questions doesn't help -> help