M-FM Overwatch Post Game Discussion

[Firebringer]

Good game to everyone and thanks again for playing.

I will be adding more host details in a bit.
Such as actions and votes on mode.

I will let you discuss who is MVP worthy, I think a few did pretty well with the game. Quite a bit of room for improvement with quite a few players. I may go more indepth with that later or not.

Please be civil.

Chats:

Omnic Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/c4UF7eYNJsNkF)
Mason Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/jZEjvfngA7wpe)
Architect (Zarya + Soldier) (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fN8Uqnd6p2t)
Architect (Hanzo +Soldier) (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/XPrU3jVwVj9)
Architect (Hanzo +Roadhog) (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8JU9xBiN2ZP)
Jail (Symmetra + Torbjorn) (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/LUpGdZwF8GE5d)
Jail (Symmetra + Reinhardt) (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/ZBCQLTgRSjt)

COM LIST.
Anon Name --Original Player Name---Replacement

M-FM Bastion--Orpz--N/A
M-FM Genji--Frozen Angel--N/A
M-FM Hanzo--Unknown1234--N/A
M-FM Junkrat--Klingoncelt--N/A
M-FM Lucio----Kovath--N/A
M-FM McCree---Spruance---N/A
M-FM Mei--TheDarkestLight--N/A
M-FM Mercy---Gamefreak---N/A
M-FM Pharah---CarrotCake---N/A
M-FM Reaper--Quick--N/A
M-FM Reinhardt---Mesk--N/A
M-FM Roadhog----NoPro--MattZed
M-FM Soldier 76----Fatalis---N/A
M-FM Symmetra-----Funce---Titus
M-FM Torbjorn-----Voss---N/A
M-FM Tracer---Calix----N/A
M-FM Widowmaker---AIVION----Stealthbomber16
M-FM Winston----BananaCucho----N/A
M-FM Zarya----Postie----Gamefreak
M-FM Zenyatta-----Grylander---N/A

[Calix]

M-FM Hanzo

:wm:

[Voss]

Not going to blame the host on this, but jail architect and article requests should go to main account as well.

[Voss]

Also good job Hanzo and host for a well run game

[Kovath]

Fk this game

[Calix]

Fk this game

Unknown's going to get trained all game every game for the next few S-FMs :laugh:

[Kovath]

Unknown's going to get trained all game every game for the next few S-FMs :laugh:

Not going to get dissuaded from an Unknown tunnel again

Hes either Mayor or ded

[Firebringer]

I guess I will post some general thoughts on the game:

First off, I think town was doing alright in the beginning phases of the game. I was actually thinking for awhile that it might be a total town stomp because of how discordinated the scum were, and because the strongest scum player (Hanzo) had a sheriff guilty on them, even though mechanically due to him being Bulletproof, it was nullish. I believe that role along with his actions help solidified himself as town to almost everyone else, so I started to think at around day 4 that he would no matter what make it to the endgame, but was uncertain if maybe town would wise up. Many player played attrociously, and had horrid reads. McCree for instance being the armorsmith gave out 2 vests and both were to scum Soldier 76 and Hanzo (who was already Bp). I think town fell apart after the second mislynch where the friction between tracer and everyone else caused them all to hate each other and focus on their petty issues than really scumhunting. A few players I think were slightly out of line in their behavior on this. I think one of the most shocking things to me was Mei lynch. In all honesty, I couldn't figure out how telling everyone a sword was fake was scummy at all. The "He knew it!" seems odd, why wouldn't he just hide that information and let the player who everyone knew was going to sword do it? The game really became in several ways Tracer vs everyone else a few points over, and scum did well basically just getting in good graces of Tracer so she never pushed them heavily. Except for Zenyatta.

I thought the scum players of Hanzo and Soldier did very well with the game. Soldier, was too fence sitting in my opinion and was very scumish I think if people just analyzed his behaviors more, but he did well in sitting in the backseat of not being noticeable to players while most the drama went on.

Like I said in OP, I think theres definite room for improvement for a lot of players, and I wish some players who didn't participate that much would have done more so. Though maybe this is on myself for not replacing them for just floating by. I can say I don't think i was the greatest host for this game as I made many delays on start times, took long with replacements, and missed questions at points. I think voss has a point on the chats things, and I should have forced all actions to be sent through the anon account too.

[Calix]

Many player played attrociously, and had horrid reads. McCree for instance being the armorsmith gave out 2 vests and both were to scum Soldier 76 and Hanzo (who was already Bp).

A few players I think were slightly out of line in their behavior on this.

Like I said in OP, I think theres definite room for improvement for a lot of players, and I wish some players who didn't participate that much would have done more so.

When you want to call out shitty play but half-arse it.

[Firebringer]

When you want to call out shitty play but half-arse it.

You played atrociously my dear.
At least you played <3

[Calix]

You played atrociously my dear.
At least you played <3

On this site, that's the best compliment.

In all seriousness, my main error reads-wise was not pressuring Hanzo more after seeing how everyone who voted him/ wanted him dead were town and how all of the dead scum town-read him.

I don't think I would have ever lynched Soldier. I figured that he was the Escort on D2 due to some posts he made and I couldn't see why the scum would target someone that they KNEW was a Mason as that would be a retarded use of a roleblock.

Fire Briner Effect in action right there.

[Unknown1234]

I felt really stupid when both me and Soldier missed the Architect chat. "Oops"

Also people like McCree put way too much trust into me, I don't get it.

[Firebringer]

Just a few thoughts for a few players:

Calix-You need to improve on not tunneling. This was your major issue in the game, if you need time. Step back and reconsider things in the grand picture. You got easily distracted when people were pushing and or being hostile to you which I think you lost major focus.

Kovath-If you have a scumread on a player you should ignore mechanics and pursue it, if you see town motivation in the posts I would reconsider, but mechnically your check was null at best due to the role Unknown had. I think that mechanical issue gave you difficulty in reassessing for you.

BananaCucho-Consider who would give you a sword in general. Players know how hostile and gun wielding you can be, consider who you think would give it to you at the time. Why wouldn't town give to Tracer? These are things I think you should have thought of more before you used the sword. I think you should also have been less buddying with Tracer and did more scumhunting of your own. Your read on Tracer however was accurate, so buddying wasn't negative to town.

Voss-I think the fact neither soldier nor hanzo posted in the architect chat, should have rang some alarms for you that you didn't consider. Like, why didn't they come on to post a last will. I thought the fact they didn't post was a major clue that something was off about both of them. They both panicked when they found out about the chat the next day too.

[Unknown1234]

But Firebringer, why would I post a last will in particular? I had no fear of death being a BP and having a vest as well.

[Calix]

But Firebringer, why would I post a last will in particular? I had no fear of death being a BP and having a vest as well.

I think his point is that neither of you two were bothering to reread the game or make a case or look for clues or anything like that which is a notable trait.

[Firebringer]

But Firebringer, why would I post a last will in particular? I had no fear of death being a BP and having a vest as well.

Theres also voting for a mode and rereading game
Your partner made a last will on Night 6 I believe.

[Unknown1234]

I actually think the funniest part was how people thought it was a town slip to not know how to vote for a mode pre-game. If I'm not mistaken I don't think any of us voted pre-game.

[Unknown1234]

I think his point is that neither of you two were bothering to reread the game or make a case or look for clues or anything like that which is a notable trait.

I reread on my main account, easier that way.

[Kovath]

Just a few thoughts for a few players:

Calix-You need to improve on not tunneling. This was your major issue in the game, if you need time. Step back and reconsider things in the grand picture. You got easily distracted when people were pushing and or being hostile to you which I think you lost major focus.

Kovath-If you have a scumread on a player you should ignore mechanics and pursue it, if you see town motivation in the posts I would reconsider, but mechnically your check was null at best due to the role Unknown had. I think that mechanical issue gave you difficulty in reassessing for you.

BananaCucho-Consider who would give you a sword in general. Players know how hostile and gun wielding you can be, consider who you think would give it to you at the time. Why wouldn't town give to Tracer? These are things I think you should have thought of more before you used the sword. I think you should also have been less buddying with Tracer and did more scumhunting of your own. Your read on Tracer however was accurate, so buddying wasn't negative to town.

Voss-I think the fact neither soldier nor hanzo posted in the architect chat, should have rang some alarms for you that you didn't consider. Like, why didn't they come on to post a last will. I thought the fact they didn't post was a major clue that something was off about both of them. They both panicked when they found out about the chat the next day too.

I didn't move off my read due to the check, as I noted it was NAI. I was partly convinced by some phantom town motivation in Hanzo's posts coupled with a perception that most people were townreading Hanzo - as I've been wrong on Unknown before, I ultimately decided to relent to the judgment of others along with filing some town points of my own in his favor.

Speaking of which, mechanics can either a great strength or a great weakness for me: see recent IM, I had a massive scumread on yzb but got convinced by Iced's last-minute bussing that Mesk was a better mechanical lynch despite being a lesser scumread.

Lesson learned, I guess.

[Unknown1234]

Not going to get dissuaded from an Unknown tunnel again

Hes either Mayor or ded

No Kovath, when you want to lynch me THATS when I'm town :P

[BananaCucho]

The thing is fire, I was way beyond giving a fuck about this game. I stopped giving a fuck day 1 after being hardcore discredited by Zarya and Reaper for scum reading Hanzo and Soldier HMMMMM

I knew there was a high chance of the sword being fake and I'm glad it was. This game was annoying as fuck to play.

[BananaCucho]

Also seriously fuck all the players that fought tooth and nail against the only two scum lynches lead by Tracer, who then shit talked her in the now deleted dead chat. Titus for example.

[Spruance]

hanzo noooooooooooooooooo

[Unknown1234]

hanzo noooooooooooooooooo

LUL

[Brendan]

Simple geometry.

[BananaCucho]

Simple geometry.

Love, Dva!

[Fatalis]

GGWP

M-FM Hanzo

Was a really fun game, I felt town lost because some players just gave up though.

[secondpassing]

Love, Dva!

Aw, Yeah!

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

hahhahaha Kovath rekt!!

I HAD FAITH IN ROADHOG AS TOWN

called the entire scum team except I had reaper or mccree replacing widowmaker


You always lynch a cop red check when there is a miller in the game!! Huge mechanical error by town!!

it was at the minimum 80% mafia, and that is not assessing the possibility of a 5th mafia or the mafia rolling bp

[Gyrlander]

Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more 😜

[BananaCucho]

Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more 😜

I'm policy lynching you in every game we play together for now on.

[Unknown1234]

I'm policy lynching you in every game we play together for now on.

Me when he thought that claiming to give the gun was a good call.

[MattZed]

GG everyone! :)

[Quick]

I told you guys that Hazo was Scum, but no one believed me. Not trying to say my reads were perfect, cuz they were not, but I was so right on Hanzo.

I stopped paying attention to the game after I got lynched. Was there a mass claim at all?

[secondpassing]

It's okay Quick, I believed you. I tried to push for their lynch, but, well, you know how those go.

Yes there was a mass claim after you got lynched. I probably shoulda went along with it.

[Unknown1234]

It's okay Quick, I believed you. I tried to push for their lynch, but, well, you know how those go.

Yes there was a mass claim after you got lynched. I probably shoulda went along with it.

You were in the game?

[Unknown1234]

I told you guys that Hazo was Scum, but no one believed me. Not trying to say my reads were perfect, cuz they were not, but I was so right on Hanzo.

I stopped paying attention to the game after I got lynched. Was there a mass claim at all?

You lost all credibility day 2 which was used against you, to be fair I really couldn't see your case on me.

Nobody really DID make a case on me, they just said I was scum from the check or from 'unknown reasoning' probably best in te future to follow up on that :P

[secondpassing]

You messed it up D:

[Unknown1234]

You messed it up D:

:O

[Unknown1234]

Anyways, I really want to say thanks to Firebringer for hosting this. It's not easy having to deal with everyone, always be on time, and to be able to find people for replacing afk's, etc. I think he did a really good job, especially with answering my stupid questions =)

Firebringer

[Gyrlander]

Me when he thought that claiming to give the gun was a good call.

I actually managed to not get lynched :D (poor Mei)


I'm policy lynching you in every game we play together for now on.

Good luck ;)

[Calix]

Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more 


Good luck ;)

I'll be joining her if you actually consider shit-posting to be a valid strategy. Your "play" was cancer and I can guarantee that nobody in the game - team-mates included - enjoyed it.

All you do is troll.

[Brendan]

Love, Dva!

fk dva her buffs are cancer

[Kovath]

hahhahaha @Kovath (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=4273) rekt!!

I HAD FAITH IN ROADHOG AS TOWN

called the entire scum team except I had reaper or mccree replacing widowmaker


You always lynch a cop red check when there is a miller in the game!! Huge mechanical error by town!!

it was at the minimum 80% mafia, and that is not assessing the possibility of a 5th mafia or the mafia rolling bp

>.>

"SOLDIER SO TOWN"


You lost all credibility day 2 which was used against you, to be fair I really couldn't see your case on me.

Nobody really DID make a case on me, they just said I was scum from the check or from 'unknown reasoning' probably best in te future to follow up on that :P

Nah buddy, you just had other people defend you :P

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

>.>

"SOLDIER SO TOWN"



Nah buddy, you just had other people defend you :P

listen bitch, you told me mccree was confirmed scum, and I was like oh shit it makes sense now because I scumread soldier but his reads seemed towny.

[Unknown1234]

Who cares? Omg lol. I'm actually surprised at how many people need to say what they were right about.

[Voss]

i kinda left hanzo alone after the sheriff check because if the sheriff isn't even sure of his check, why should I be

[Klingoncelt]

MVP:

Calix/Tracer

Did more for the Scumteam than the sum of their individual members.

-_-


Also, I didn't think for one second that Mei was Scum. My hammer was a mercy killing.

I hoped that I would be shown the same kindness, but I was forced to live in that Tracer-induced hell for another two days.

[BananaCucho]

MVP:

Calix/Tracer

Did more for the Scumteam than the sum of their individual members.

-_-


Also, I didn't think for one second that Mei was Scum. My hammer was a mercy killing.

I hoped that I would be shown the same kindness, but I was forced to live in that Tracer-induced hell for another two days.

Yes because you drove SO many scum lynches dear, and didn't spend 3/4 of your posts bitching about and tunneling Tracer.

[Klingoncelt]

Her endless Wallposts of Dumb clogged up the game like a ghetto toilet.

She correctly picked Scum once in the game, while demanding mislynches on way too many townies.

[Klingoncelt]

If she would have shut up and not tried to be Narcissistic Town Leader I would have had a much easier time reading and solving the game. I'm sure others would have too.

[Frozen Angel]

oh I was in this game once upon a time :D

[SuperJack]

oh I was in this game once upon a time :D

Heya =)