MVP Discussion

[Nick]

For Day chat only. Dimwit for bagging Lucifer.

Your thoughts?

[Zane]

Zane or Waaaaaaagh. Probably Zane.

[Deathfire123]

Dimwit is the only viable choice, Sin did well in covering their tracks during the day but were too predictable during the night, half of Humanity didn't play, the other half was screwing around with each other getting nowhere. Eternity did well, but that's because they are overpowered, I thought Jesus could only recruit commoners to be Disciples, but he can make anyone a Disciple who is Humanity...broken. And the Romans only killed innocents, and essentially, was helping Sin the entire game unintentionally, Dimwit is the ONLY choice here.

[TheWaaagh]

Really I think anyone on Eternity deserves it. Not a single one died, and I don't know about you guys, but I NEVER would've guessed that McPwnage was Jesus. So yeah, that whole team is MVP in my book.

Edit: Also, I have to agree with Zane. His scorecard's day to point ratio is pretty baller, given that he was randomly hobo stabbed the first night.

[Deathfire123]

"No one died in Eternity" Um no one COULD die until like night 3, considering angels healed disciples and had shields, Eternity did well in hiding their identity EXCEPT Raiden. Raiden was obvious. But still Eternity was an overpowered cult that is sided with town, making them an overpowered, overpowered role that is allied with the biggest faction in the game.

[TheWaaagh]

"No one died in Eternity" Um no one COULD die until like night 3, considering angels healed disciples and had shields, Eternity did well in hiding their identity EXCEPT Raiden. Raiden was obvious. But still Eternity was an overpowered cult that is sided with town, making them an overpowered, overpowered role that is allied with the biggest faction in the game.

True no one could die, but none of them were even attacked the entire game. That's how well they flew under the radar. And I don't know that Raiden is eternity, I know you said in the other thread that that was confirmed by Dimwit, but at what point?

Just because they were overpowered mechanically doesn't mean that they didn't play to the best of their abilities.

[Brennenburg]

MVP - FalseTruth, he played Sinner 100% correctly, despite what any of you might think. He had Lucifer pinned n2, made a false claim on Lucifer, destroyed his own credibility. And if he was not revealed to be a demon he planned to out Lucifer.
Copied from the other thread. He was the only player this game to show any form of creativity or insight in acting with his role, AND he was correct in his deductions AND his plans succeeded to the utmost.

I don't think one night action deserves MVP, and while I'm sure Dimwit played well, he really doesn't deserve MVP simply for being the conduit for finding Lucifer.

[Forum Mafia GM]

There is also LVP award.

[Brennenburg]

And that would go to Auckmid for being a cowardly scumbag fuckwad.

[Deathfire123]

LVP goes to Auckmid for being so obvious that he was Tiberius, or Nick for managing to piss off everyone his first game

[Brennenburg]

LVP goes to Auckmid for being so obvious that he was Tiberius, or Nick for managing to piss off everyone his first game

This isn't fair. What Nick did was awesome.

[Deathfire123]

It's okay Auckmid deserves LVP anyways

[Yayap]

I have someone else listed for LVP but I can't tell you right now. I'm sure Brennenburg can figure it out though.

As far as I can see, Auckmid hasn't done anything wrong for his role. You guys should wait until the Roman night chat is open before judging him.

[Brennenburg]

No, Yayap. Executing someone without talking to them is THE WORST POSSIBLE USE OF THE JAILOR ROLE PERIOD.

I will not back down on this.

[Yayap]

Killing you did not affect the Romans, if the Romans were town then it would have been. But they are not.

[Brennenburg]

You didn't even read what I said. Honestly.

[Yayap]

If he chose to kill you like a vig, that is his choice. If he wanted to argue and let you convince him to spare you, that is also his choice.

My point is being Roman, killing anyone but Roman can be a good choice for him. Just because he killed you doesn't make it a bad choice. Even if he killed Eternity (except Jesus) it wouldn't be a bad choice. I can't give him LVP for doing nothing wrong for his faction.

[Deathfire123]

I'm calling him for LVP because of the spelling error he made in the death note that he also used during day chat making it super easy for people to find out he's Tiberius. Also his random ass claim today and not jailing Ambient, since he has been going for Eternity join win this entire time it's stupid to switch now.

[Ubernox]

Can I get the LVP for dying first night as a town power role?


Other than that though, MVP should either go to McPwnage or Dimwit. And yeah, LVP for Auckmid. He didn't do shit. Even Pilate ninja'd Sumi N1.

[TheWaaagh]

Can I get the LVP for dying first night as a town power role?


Other than that though, MVP should either go to McPwnage or Dimwit. And yeah, LVP for Auckmid. He didn't do shit. Even Pilate ninja'd Sumi N1.

You should just take it as a compliment that Ambient thought you were the biggest threat in a room full of known vets. And while Auckmid did make some questionable decisions, he still seemed to be doing okay as Tiberius. I'm not sure what the deal is with him not picking Ambient so I'll reserve my judgment for now. But I wouldn't say he was the absolute worst player this game.

[Brennenburg]

If he chose to kill you like a vig, that is his choice. If he wanted to argue and let you convince him to spare you, that is also his choice.

My point is being Roman, killing anyone but Roman can be a good choice for him. Just because he killed you doesn't make it a bad choice. Even if he killed Eternity (except Jesus) it wouldn't be a bad choice. I can't give him LVP for doing nothing wrong for his faction.
So what you're saying is that he was given a role SO EASY that it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to make a mistake, and yet he made a plethora of mistakes and tells in day chat, AS WELL AS letting you go free which was in direct opposition to his decision to kill every sinner he got his hands on(hence, a mistake), and THAT SHOULDNT BE CONSIDERED THE MAKINGS OF THE WORST PLAYER? HOW DO YOU FUCK SOMETHING UP THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FUCK UP? HIS FACTION MAY STILL LOSE, SIN HAS THE TOOLS TO WIPE ROME OUT BEFORE THEY CAN BE KILLED! BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO REVEAL BECAUSE HE DIDNT KNOW WHICH BG WAS PROTECTING HIM!

WTF! LOL!

Edit: To clarify, all Sin has to do to wipe out Rome as a faction is this:
Tonight: Witch the BG onto Vorn, kill Pilate. Two romans and an assassin die. Recruit Beezlebub(whom they meditated two nights ago)
Tomorrow night: Use Beezlebub's pierce to kill Tiberius. Sin gets a tax collector out of the deal. Game over for Rome, thanks for playing.

[TheWaaagh]

So what you're saying is that he was given a role SO EASY that it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to make a mistake, and yet he made a plethora of mistakes and tells in day chat, AS WELL AS letting you go free which was in direct opposition to his decision to kill every sinner he got his hands on(hence, a mistake), and THAT SHOULDNT BE CONSIDERED THE MAKINGS OF THE WORST PLAYER? HOW DO YOU FUCK SOMETHING UP THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FUCK UP? HIS FACTION MAY STILL LOSE, SIN HAS THE TOOLS TO WIPE ROME OUT BEFORE THEY CAN BE KILLED! BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO REVEAL BECAUSE HE DIDNT KNOW WHICH BG WAS PROTECTING HIM!

WTF! LOL!

Okay, when you put it like that, I agree.

[Yayap]

You are still looking at Auckmid from a humanity point of view.
If you look at it from his, all he has to do is stay alive to win. His death = instant loss.

So, helping sin and not dying even if sin looses would result in his win anyways.

Does his action screw over humanity and Eternity, maybe. But it doesn't screw over the Romans.

He has 0 guaranty that an Angel will protect him, since the Angels are more useful as investigators than Docs. Why should he risk his neck just to be taken out by Beezlebub and loose?

If anything, by not killing me, he proved that he is willing to help sin. If his actions turn this game around and Sin ends up winning by some fluke (which I doubt), guess who would end up being MVP?

[TheWaaagh]

That still doesn't explain why he outted himself for no reason during the day chat. Or why he didn't jail Lucifer last night, if that is indeed what happened.

[Yayap]

Like I said, wait till you see the night chats, he may not have known his BG was protecting Fred. In either case, by not jailing Ambient, Sin should be more inclined not to attack the Romans. I will applaud him if he kills Dimwit.

[Brennenburg]

Sin is going to wipe out Rome bro, that's pretty much all there is to it.

[Yayap]

Sin would be stupid to do that.

[Ubernox]

Auckmid wasn't that bad; he just did worse than everyone else. He really slipped up there when he admitted being Tiberius when Sin hadn't even attacked him at all. If Gluttony is unsealed, he's a goner. And this is about to get a whole lot messier.

On the other hand, Clawtrocity just spouted bullshit the entire time and in the end just turned out to be a commoner. He exceeded his role's abilities and managed to waylay his own team. And then there's also False, with his wild claims, accusations and theories. He attracted so much attention away from the real threat.

Methinks that both Claw and False are mere lowly Commoners or Sinners, as Yayap was.

[Nick]

Sin is going to wipe out Rome bro, that's pretty much all there is to it.


Sin would be stupid to do that.

Sin won't be wiping out Roman as long as Sin still stand a chance to win. Will bring down Roman together if they are sure they lost the game. So Jack says Sin is doomed and Yayap says Sin can still win?

[Yayap]

Sin has a very small chance, but if the Romans start killing Eternity willingly, then that chance might be all that is needed.

[Brennenburg]

Sin has a very small chance, but if the Romans start killing Eternity willingly, then that chance might be all that is needed.
Sin has never had a chance to win, period. Humanity will not just sit around and let sin murder half of them so that Sin can win.

You're fooling yourself if you think there is.

[Yayap]

If Humanity has to take on the Romans as well, then the remaining hidden Demons can take over. Humanity/Eternity only have 1 assassin and he has already shot once.. and that is IF that assassin does as humanity/eternity want.

[Nick]

@Jack


If Humanity has to take on the Romans as well, then the remaining hidden Demons can take over. Humanity/Eternity only have 1 assassin and he has already shot once.. and that is IF that assassin does as humanity/eternity want.

This. Sin can win as long as they can threaten Roman. Force Roman to their side and start a Humanity-Roman war. While they gain strength. But too late for all this. I'm going to read the FM again. I want to know if Fragos is giving the correct info. 2 Demons only?

@Yayap
I think the remaining Assassin is pro-Eternity. And has 2 shots (1+1). Eternity cannot threaten Roman anymore. All depends on Roman. End it immediately tonight or risk Sin betrayal later.

[Sumikoko]

You can't be serious... He didn't jail Lucifer??

...

Waaagh, as a fellow Roman who's a tax collector well aware of Tiberius's playtime tendencies, how many Roman coins are you willing to wager to bet that Auckmid went ahead and sent the jail PM before the plan was formed for him to jail Lucifer, and then he went doolollying in real life and the plan was formed and the day ended without him realizing what had transpired...?

I think by far, Auckmid's fatal flaw is not that he's a poor decision maker. He simply does not allot enough time to check the game periodically enough for adequate communications amongst both group members and townsmen.

[TheWaaagh]

You can't be serious... He didn't jail Lucifer??

...

Waaagh, as a fellow Roman who's a tax collector well aware of Tiberius's playtime tendencies, how many Roman coins are you willing to wager to bet that Auckmid went ahead and sent the jail PM before the plan was formed for him to jail Lucifer, and then he went doolollying in real life and the plan was formed and the day ended without him realizing what had transpired...?

I think by far, Auckmid's fatal flaw is not that he's a poor decision maker. He simply does not allot enough time to check the game periodically enough for adequate communications amongst both group members and townsmen.

That's what I'm assuming happened. All I know is that DR made it sound like Tiberius didn't actually jail Lucifer so either Auckmid picked someone else early and forgot to change it (for god knows what reason), or he intentionally is trying to ally with Sin now (which would be a giant wtf), or he just straight up didn't jail anybody because he didn't expect the day to end so quickly. I'll have to double check, but I don't think he spoke again after he outted himself as Tiberius, so that makes me assume he just forgot to come back on in time.

I completely agree with your assessment of him though, it's a shame we Romans didn't get to take full advantage of our night time chats like we're supposed to.

[Sumikoko]

In all fairness though, I now remember. It was either when Deathfire or Jack was jailed. But I remember him saying he couldn't communicate much one time because there was a power outage or he had Thanksgiving plans or something along those lines.

I think... Or maybe I'm delusional.

[TheWaaagh]

In all fairness though, I now remember. It was either when Deathfire or Jack was jailed. But I remember him saying he couldn't communicate much one time because there was a power outage or he had Thanksgiving plans or something along those lines.

I think... Or maybe I'm delusional.

Oh yeah I remember that too now that you mention it. He said his power was out and then that he had a friend over so it was hard for him to get a hold of a computer.

Now I kind of feel like a dick for complaining about his activeness.

[Deathfire123]

well my time was cut short due to me not being in the jail for half of n1

[Nick]

Things will still be fine for Romans whomever Auckmid jailed. Eternity and Humanity will be ones in trouble. Both Angels revealed themselves. Including the Shepard. Got careless with "Endgame". Beelzebub will be used for Angels. So don't worry. Kill the last Assassin and your victory will be assured... if you are not betrayed.

[Ubernox]

Godammit, Auckmid.

[Nick]

If Auckmid deserves LVP for Sinner killing and death notes, I should also deserve one for "game throwing".

LVP for revealing? Maybe. Only if he dies, I guess. MVP and LVP are luck based? I do agree that HE HAS NO BUSINESS REVEALING HIS ROLE! Don't know who protected him? Why is he not reading Roman night chats? I thought all night actions are listed out? AND WHY NOT LET FRED TAKE THE HEAT?

Enough shouting. Lets pray to McPwnage and hope for the best!

[Dust]

Well guys.... This is awkward
True words from the Prince of Lies himself.


Auckmid deserves LVP...................

[TheWaaagh]

I really hope Fred and Elixir freaked out on him in the night chat. I mean seriously, wtf?

[Dust]

What Auckmid should do:

http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/job-fails-shortly-after-he-pulled-his-parachute-completing-his-elaborate-friday-escape-plan.gif

[TheWaaagh]

I seriously want town to lynch Auckmid today just so he can't win. I feel dishonored and I didn't even have anything to do with it.

[wolfcheese]

I seriously want town to lynch Auckmid today just so he can't win. I feel dishonored and I didn't even have anything to do with it.
I wouldn't mind this at all.

[Sumikoko]

Oh. Em. Geezers. What the heck just happened...

[Dust]

The shit hit the fan

[Brennenburg]

Oh. Em. Geezers. What the heck just happened...
Your boss upset a lot of people by doing what he did to me.

Yet he is easily manipulated.

[Dust]

Some of you dead folks must lament with me that we're not sealed demons.;(

[Dust]

Hey, who's with me that each day 1 in FM we search for Auckmid and kill him before he can screw things up again?

[Deathfire123]

Yep.

[Sumikoko]

Your boss upset a lot of people by doing what he did to me.

Yet he is easily manipulated.

... Excuse me for a minute... GAME Y U MAEK PILATE OFFR ME MONEY I CANT REFOOSE??!?11 LSKDJFKSDJF

Okay. I'm done. If I had still been alive, this game would have ended up reflecting the play Julius Caesar REALLY well in regards of what happens to Rome's leader...

Well, Jack, on the other hand. You have yourself now a game in which it's not as boring as you had anticipated. Rejoice. While I cry in a corner.

[wolfcheese]

Hang on a sec, didn't Dimwit deny that he was the jailor? Or he was just protecting him?

Or did the GM fuck up another lookout report? :p

[Sumikoko]

Dimwit was trying to protect him with his new respect from unveiling Lucifer. Not sure anyone will buy it though...

[Deathfire123]

Hang on a sec, didn't Dimwit deny that he was the jailor? Or he was just protecting him?

Or did the GM fuck up another lookout report? :p

protection/.

[wolfcheese]

Yea I was the only one that bought it yesterday. :rolleyes:

[Yayap]

For the last time. ROMANS ARE NOT SIDED WITH ETERNITY NOR HUMANITY.

Auckmid is having fun with his win conditions and throwing a curve ball into the game. He is by no means game-throwing since DR did NOT force him to side with Eternity.

You guys are all whining about his choice. Its like a survivor choosing to side with mafia and not helping town. HE IS ALLOWED.

Just because those of us that are dead might loose this game because of him does not give him LVP! Romans STILL WIN!

I will defend Auckmids choice to whatever means, I would have done the same thing in his place just to make this game more balanced and interesting than the easy way out. Having fun is more important to some of us than giving more people a win. If you can't understand that then you defeat the purpose of playing.

[Dust]

IDK 'bout you guys but I'm whining that Auckmid doesn't put enough of his attention into this game to really have a good strategy. I offered him a way to communicate with Sin (assuming I was a sealed demon). He killed me. This does not show that he had a coherent strategy to pull this off. I don't like that at all.

[TheWaaagh]

For the last time. ROMANS ARE NOT SIDED WITH ETERNITY NOR HUMANITY.

Auckmid is having fun with his win conditions and throwing a curve ball into the game. He is by no means game-throwing since DR did NOT force him to side with Eternity.

You guys are all whining about his choice. Its like a survivor choosing to side with mafia and not helping town. HE IS ALLOWED.

Just because those of us that are dead might loose this game because of him does not give him LVP! Romans STILL WIN!

I will defend Auckmids choice to whatever means, I would have done the same thing in his place just to make this game more balanced and interesting than the easy way out. Having fun is more important to some of us than giving more people a win. If you can't understand that then you defeat the purpose of playing.

While I agree it's his choice, he's also potentially throwing the game away if Lucifer decides to kill him on a whim, which is his choice. "He's allowed to do that". Eternity had no way/reason to betray him, and he decided to side with the person that could. And if he dies then he, I, and Sumi won't win, so if he was operating under the best course of action he done chose wrong.

And saying that not understanding how "having fun" is more important than "giving more people a win" means that you defeat the purpose of playing... you realize you're just defending the very definition of trolling, right? After all, trolling is just about having fun and fucking with people on a whim to make it more "interesting".

Yeah he's not defined as a town player, but we had been playing that way the whole time and as a team agreed early on that would be our goal. So for him to suddenly flip sides like this isn't just a fuck you to eternity and humanity, it's a fuck you to the rest of the Romans, especially me and Sumi who are sitting on the outside and just going "wtf?"

And we'll have to resort to waiting until the night chats open up, but if Auckmid was telling the truth in the day chat, and that the butterfly effect of his actions was all due to him just fucking up when he decided to jail someone the other day then yes... that is the definition of a least valuable player. Someone who has the ability to monumentally affect the game and then fucks up at the worst moment is a least. valuable. player. for a team oriented game.

And the only reason I think he might be telling the truth in the day chat is because Elixir spoke up in the day chat and is still openly defying Sin. So we'll see what happened but I don't think giving Auckmid a blank check to act however he wants because of the way his role was designed is enough to defend his actions. I mean if he was a Jester, sure, do whatever you want. But I doubt DR intended to create a Jester Power Role when he came up with the mechanics of Tiberius. And sometimes it's more important to play in the spirit of a role than rules lawyering your way into justifying dick moves.

[Nick]

@Yayap
Auckmid is playing a risky game here. I won't give him LVP for choosing to side with Sin or Eternity (at Night5). Heck, I will even defend him. Eternity is winning yes, but Roman might be target of revenge attacks. However, revealing himself and putting himself at the mercy of Sin and DYING (if that happens) might deserve him a LVP.

I insist that Roman took sides too early. Taking hits for Humanity?

[Deathfire123]

Yayap, normally I might agree with you, but here's the thing, Auckmid was playing the Eternity side by killing me, Brennenburg, and Dust. Me and Dust even offered to truce with him, sin-side if we turned out to be evil, but he killed us. Now he might be just siding with Sin completely alienating what he did before, and his team mates.

His decisions are not the only reasons I vote him for LVP.

He revealed himself as Tiberius, UNPROVOKED, when then legionnaire that died DIDN'T EVEN PROTECT HIM.

He made an mistake in his death note that made it obvious for scum to find him.

If he really isn't siding with Sin and just didn't jail Ambient, then that's the worst mistake in this game.


Also, HOW DID SIN FIND HAMSLYX? I don't think they did, if Auckmid IS siding with Sin, I bet he put hamslyx on vorn. If not, then wtf.

[Nick]

If Auckmid died, I will put him first for LVP. Otherwise, I'll see if there are better candidates ( I can think of a few).

Stop the speculations on Auckmid for now I guess. Might be a bit unfair to him before we read the night chats.

[Yayap]

Auckmid was playing the Eternity side by killing me, Brennenburg, and Dust.

Auckmid was playing SINs side for killing the 3 of you by adding to the KPN. When jailed, people will try anything to get out alive, doesn't mean he believed you.
Brennenburg said he didn't have a demon and was executed without discussion.
I openly said that I was sin sided in DAY chat and they let me go free, we even had a code to tell them if I found out I had a demon or not later in the game.

Revealing himself as Tiberius might have saved his life, Sin has no reason to kill him off since he is helping with the KPN. AND by revealing himself, it prevents Sin from accidentally targeting him and the possibility to die to legionnaires. Auckmid has done everything he can to help Sin target the right people.

[Nick]

@Yayap
Using your logic, it means that the other Romans had been taken for a ride? :S

In that case Auckmid is master manipulator! Auckmid for MVP! :>

[Sumikoko]

Inb4 Pilate recruiting afk commoner and Lucifer killing the afkers for kill count and dies.I would laugh so hard if this happened.

[Brennenburg]

My reasons for nominating Auckmid for LVP have nothing to do with his actions, and everything to do with his complete silence to me in jail. That is all.

[Nick]

@Sumikoko
I believe CmG was recruited last night, but I can't be sure. I only know that CmG is frustrated.

@Jack
So emotional. Then again, I ragequitted. Pot calling kettle black.

[Deathfire123]

I openly said that I was sin sided in DAY chat and they let me go free, we even had a code to tell them if I found out I had a demon or not later in the game.

I DID THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING AND HE KILLED ME, NOT THE REASON HE SPARED YOU.

[Nick]

THAT'S IT!

AUCKMID IS CONFIRMED LVP.

He went and voted Ambient. Yayap's hypothesis is wrong. Else, Auckmid changed his mind again?

[Sumikoko]

I can explain. Rome really was allied for eternity at first. Or was at least biased. Thus we killed all sinners. When we jailed yayap, if we killed him, it would send a clear message to Sin that we were for eternity. He didn't want a big target on his head, so we let him go. This was a wise choice in hindsight ONLY because Lucifer killed Yayap himself and it turns out yayap wasn't a demon. Auckmid just voted for Ambient. All theories about him throwing the game to win for Rome has just shattered. He honestly made a mistake. Lord save us all.

[Deathfire123]

God Philie is boring this game. Illidan isn't much better. They are just showing up for like a few posts a day. Philie isnt even paying enough attention to the rules to know whats going on. Hmmm, I'm wondering cuz its pretty 50/50 with the votes right about now

[Nick]

Told em they need to discuss about the possible Sin victory scenario before it really happened. But no... they call me Demon. Serves them right!

*gloat*

from someone who got lynched.

[Brennenburg]

God Philie is boring this game. Illidan isn't much better. They are just showing up for like a few posts a day. Philie isnt even paying enough attention to the rules to know whats going on. Hmmm, I'm wondering cuz its pretty 50/50 with the votes right about now
Don't insult Philie simply because you do not understand. She doesn't deserve that, bro. Anymore of that and we're gonna have a problem, you and I.

[Deathfire123]

Don't insult Philie simply because you do not understand. She doesn't deserve that, bro. Anymore of that and we're gonna have a problem, you and I.

I understand perfectly well, she voted to lynch Ambient Day 4, now she's jumped shipped to save her own skin. She doesn't deserve the win, even if I dislike the way they played, I still think Nick and Yayap would be more deserving of the win since they aligned with Sin BEFORE Auckmid fucked uo. And this isn't insults, they're my opinions on how people are playing. GET OVER IT!

[Brennenburg]

I understand perfectly well, she voted to lynch Ambient Day 4, now she's jumped shipped to save her own skin. She doesn't deserve the win, even if I dislike the way they played, I still think Nick and Yayap would be more deserving of the win since they aligned with Sin BEFORE Auckmid fucked uo. And this isn't insults, they're my opinions on how people are playing. GET OVER IT!
If you think that, things are better than either of us could ever have imagined. Haha.

[Deathfire123]

What has philie done this game, let alone what has she done to deserve winning with Sin?

[TheWaaagh]

What has philie done this game, let alone what has she done to deserve winning with Sin?

I think he's trying to hint she's another demon. If not, then I have no idea what's going on.

[Deathfire123]

Oh okay then.... I still stand by what I said earlier, I'm rooting for philie, I just wish she posted more

[Deathfire123]

I honestly thought that Zack was the unsealed demon, not philie

[Zane]

Don't root her too much or are you a tree?

[Nick]

I understand perfectly well, she voted to lynch Ambient Day 4, now she's jumped shipped to save her own skin. She doesn't deserve the win, even if I dislike the way they played, I still think Nick and Yayap would be more deserving of the win since they aligned with Sin BEFORE Auckmid fucked uo. And this isn't insults, they're my opinions on how people are playing. GET OVER IT!

Read my last will. I didn't align with Sin before I die. You sully my name! :evil:
I specifically said Eternity is at a disadvantage, and I want to level the playing field before I die. :)



Nick


Scorecard: 2


(+2) Honorable


(+2) Active


(+2) Leader


(-2) Be lynched


(-2) Die a Sinner



No comments on Yayap. I was fooled by him. He deserves to be a (+3) WIFOM expert.




What has philie done this game, let alone what has she done to deserve winning with Sin?

Not doing anything is still doing something. But why direct the hate to philie?

[Deathfire123]

philie is my figurehead of frustration towards people who dont speak in FM....sorry philie

[Nick]

FM starting to get interesting again. I hope more people emulate BorkBot. More reasoning less crying.

[Brennenburg]

I honestly thought that Zack was the unsealed demon, not philie
Yeah well, they both are.

The difference is one is extremely obvious, and the other is masterfully subtle.

[Deathfire123]

philie stopped being subtle when she sided with Sin.... but that's just my opinion

[Brennenburg]

philie stopped being subtle when she sided with Sin.... but that's just my opinion
Yeah that's why you had no idea until I said something.

[Nick]

I find some pro-Eternity arguments pitiful. Name calling instead of logic.

And condolence to TheWaaagh and Sumikoko. Your chances to win now stands at 50-50. Yet to see any strategies to weed out the remaining Demons (read Beelzebub) by Day8.

EDIT: Jack, based on the information you have, is it still sure lose for Sin? And really... Raiden didn't even post during this critical time.

[Deathfire123]

Kay, Zack is unsealed, Philie isnt, Im betting False is the other unsealed.

Eternity and Sin have the same strategy: Present their own plans and proceed to mudsling each other. No matter what others say, this is the sad reality. I wish their was an arsonist to burn them all down.

[Nick]

If Eternity is religion, they act exactly like their real world counterparts.

No fairy tale ending besides siding with them? Bah!

This game make me feel sad about humanity.

[Sumikoko]

Kay, Zack is unsealed, Philie isnt, Im betting False is the other unsealed.

So according to Jack, Zack is Beel. Reading Eternity and Rome laughing at Sin because they are nearly positive Beelzebub hasn't been unsealed yet... It's absolutely killing me.
Owait, I'm already dead.
Now I see what they mean by the dead pitying the living.

[Brennenburg]

Sin won't win if Rome doesn't choose to cooperate with them today. If they lynch Ambient, Rome will lose unless Tiberius jails Zack which is unlikely because everyone thinks vorn is unsealed.

[Sumikoko]

Do you think, then, that it would be in the interest of Ambient to say "Yes, we have Beelzebub unsealed. Aka, Rome, if you don't cooperate with us ASAP, you're as good as dead."? Of course there's the risk of everyone knowing that, but as the saying goes, choosing your own poison.

Though how many people will actually believe him is another thing... Till Tiberius gets done in.

Is Leviathan capable of witching Tiberius? Heavens forbid if that's the case...

[Brennenburg]

It is most unwise to say so in my opinion. There are still roles that could interfere with Beezlebub's kill.

[Nick]

@Sumikoko
Tiberius jails during the day. The most Envy can do is to prevent execution, or maybe another hamslyx...

@Jack
A very risky gamble for Roman. I hope they know what they are doing. I mean Elixir and fred.

[wolfcheese]

In SC2 mafia when the jailor is witched, it forces him to execute the captive if there is one. I don't see why it would be different here (besides the fact that it's just a normal attack this time).

[Dust]

I say that if Eternity can win with this that one of the Angels/Disciples (not Ash, sorry, Ash) should get MVP for getting Ambient lynched (If they do, in fact, lynch him). Eternity players for MVP.

[Nick]

I say that if Eternity can win with this that one of the Angels/Disciples (not Ash, sorry, Ash) should get MVP for getting Ambient lynched (If they do, in fact, lynch him). Eternity players for MVP.

My counter argument is that I do not see Eternity giving good coherent logical argument or a strong rallying cry. The ones working the hardest are Roman (surprise!) and people I suspect being Humanity.

Eternity:
1) Dimwit - put in effort and gave good counter arguments: best possible Eternity MVP so far
2) Luna - sounded a bit neutral to me
3) Ash - mostly trolling to drown Sin's arguments
4) Raiden - absent
5) McPwnage - stirring on the cross

Dust, who do you nominate?

[Brennenburg]

Leviathan believes they know the latest legionnaire recruit and I am inclined to agree with their assessment. You'll note how Capitalier's allegiance was never questioned when found to be a commoner while Zack's was.

[Sumikoko]

So you're implying Capitalier is the new recruit?

[Yayap]

If Rome throws this easy win away, I nominate all currently living Romans as LVP for their stupidity. Funny that the only way they are going to win now is if Sin wins.
I'm sure Sin can find a way to kill Tiberius if they need to before anyone can find Beezlebub.

Rome was given a win on a silver platter and they still managed to screw it up.

[Nick]

I think we should be able to conclude the game now.

My votes for MVP
1) Sin who found hamslyx
2) steeznuts

[Zane]

My mighty vote for Waaaaaagh. (I decided to choose him not myself, because I would win anyways)

[TheWaaagh]

My mighty vote for Waaaaaagh. (I decided to choose him not myself, because I would win anyways)

It's true, Zane's days survived to point ratio is so awesome Celt felt the need to kill him lest he collapse the entire game unto himself.

ZANE FOR MVP.

[TheWaaagh]

I think we should be able to conclude the game now.

My votes for MVP
1) Sin who found hamslyx
2) steeznuts

By the way, I don't know if you read that McPwnage rant thread about ending the FM early, but Sin didn't find hamslyx because of clever work on their part, it was because of pm shenanigans.

[Nick]

By the way, I don't know if you read that McPwnage rant thread about ending the FM early, but Sin didn't find hamslyx because of clever work on their part, it was because of pm shenanigans.

I'll read Sin night chat before I comment anything on that.

In that case:

steeznuts for MVP


Pooh pooh to morality on good and evil. Parasitism is the best!







Note: This is a comparison of playstyles. Not a personal attack.

[Ubernox]

FaleTruth LVP for being a faggot

[Dust]

Dust, who do you nominate?
I wrote that right after I saw Dimwit's long post. He is who I had in mind. He found Lucy. He puts in a lot of effort to regain Humanity and is playing very hard for his goals.

[Nick]

We both agree then. I wonder if MVP can be conferred to the losing side. I certainly do hope so. If it is only for the winning side, then I say steeznuts. Ambient getting caught on Night3 is not cool. Envy require further scrutiny.

[Ambient]

Hai Guys!

Look. Dimwit got lucky. Sure it was useful, but lets see over time how useful it was.

As for McPwnage... Its part of the game to say "I am jesus kill me." there is nothing special about that.

[Ambient]

Also. Look who was able to talk his way into surviving a lynch for what... 36 hours? Frankly if that day thread was a normal FM by this point would of been 24 and I would of been fine.

[Brennenburg]

For the last time, FalseTruth is fucking sinner. So stop hating on him.

[Nick]

Ambient, if you follow the script and at least stay hidden until mid-game (after Day5), you might have won the game.

Eternity is not doing their homework properly. No contingency plans. Expecting everyone to vote with them.

But yeah, you did very well with the fear mongering. At one point, Eternity had to resort to name calling and trolling instead of discussion. I really shook my head when I see that...

And yeah. Day is long for this FM. They have sufficient time to reflect and feel guilty. Too bad for you.

[Ubernox]

For the last time, FalseTruth is fucking sinner. So stop hating on him.

Really? How do you know?

Also, welcome to Hades, Satan. You played well.

[Sumikoko]

Also, welcome to Hades, Satan. You played well.

Yes, welcome, the-person-who-killed-me-and-I-tried-to-kill-back-to-defend-Pilate-but-failed. :)

And with Lucifer's downfall, so goes Rome... Ah... It would be oh-so-amusing if a legionnaire was witched into killing Tiberius. Would follow the script of Julius Caesar. Sort of.

By the way, Ambient, out of sheer curiosity. If there were less afk-people, and all the Romans voted for a skip, but the vote to lynch Lucifer tore through anyway, what would have been Rome's verdict then?

[Ambient]

By the way, Ambient, out of sheer curiosity. If there were less afk-people, and all the Romans voted for a skip, but the vote to lynch Lucifer tore through anyway, what would have been Rome's verdict then?

As I said in day chat. Once I was dead it was out of my hands.

All Rome = LVP

They lost the game for themselves and Sin (Granted its good for humanity/eternity)
-However they are not aligned with them so that doesn't mean anything.

[TheWaaagh]

All Rome = LVP


I think the guy who sent himself to kill Yayap, a claimed sinner, and got himself found out in the process is more deserving of LVP than an entire team because things didn't go the way he wanted.

[Dust]

I think the guy who sent himself to kill Yayap, a claimed sinner, and got himself found out in the process is more deserving of LVP than an entire team because things didn't go the way he wanted.
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[Yayap]

I think the guy who sent himself to kill Yayap, a claimed sinner, and got himself found out in the process is more deserving of LVP than an entire team because things didn't go the way he wanted.

Considering many people thought I was lying, including you if I remember right, I can't blame him for not trusting anything I say. But Rome had clear vision on the things to come.

[Dust]

-vote cmg

die nerd
suicidal n00b for MVP

[Ubernox]

Damn straight. I think he's awesome.

[NorthStar]

NorthStar deserves LVP. He had a shitload of tests and competitive science tournaments against rival schools during Forum Mafia. Also two books to read from start to finish.

Edit: So much for my planned "throwing away two weeks of my life for FM".