S-FM 199: Illuminati 3.0

[MattZed]

WELCOME TO ILLUMiNΔTI 3.0

Quick Links:
Link to Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35287-S-FM-Illuminati?)
Day 1 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36804-S-FM-199-Illuminati-3-0?p=603072#post603072)
Night 1 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36804-S-FM-199-Illuminati-3-0?p=603840&viewfull=1#post603840)
Day 2 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36804-S-FM-199-Illuminati-3-0?p=604325#post604325)
Night 2 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36804-S-FM-199-Illuminati-3-0?p=604763&viewfull=1#post604763)
Day 3 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36804-S-FM-199-Illuminati-3-0?p=605057#post605057)
Night 3 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36804-S-FM-199-Illuminati-3-0?p=605898&viewfull=1#post605898)
Day 4 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36804-S-FM-199-Illuminati-3-0?p=606105#post606105)
Game End Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36804-S-FM-199-Illuminati-3-0?p=608950#post608950)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t-SQ4bWaONk/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAMPg/t1R5Kl397FI/photo.jpg

Players:
1. Whad
2. Rintarou (Secondpassing+AIVION)
3. Empathy17 (ika+SilverWolf)
4. Cryptonic
5. G4slight
6. Kovath
7. Anaconda (Quick+Gyrlander)
8. Naughty Canadians (Unknown1234+Mesk514)
9. Eggy

[MattZed]

IT IS NOW DAY 1.

July 4th, 1982

In a small town in Maryland, the mafia were on the rise. It seems like every July 4th, another town near the nation's capital was under assault. Was it again the work of a secret Illuminati?



http://www.coalcampusa.com/sowv/kanawha/coalriver/clothier-wv-coal-mine.jpg
Living Players:
Whad
Rintarou
Empathy17
Cryptonic
G4slight
Kovath
Anarconda
Naughty Canadians
Eggy

Dead Players:
No one... yet.





Day 1 Ends in 48 Hours.
02:00:00:00

5

[Rintarou]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWW
YEAHHHHHHHHHH


(First)

[Anaconda]

Scum gunna get wrecked by our massive Anaconda, errr... Power Role, yeah, that.

[Anaconda]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWW
YEAHHHHHHHHHH


(First)

Why no vote?

[Rintarou]

Kovath

[Naughty Canadians]

You can't have power over us, it's not even worth trying.

[Rintarou]

Why no vote?

Why is your dvd pirated?

[Naughty Canadians]

no need for hellos, lets give the new guy some attention

Eggy

[Naughty Canadians]

Cryptonic

I saw what he did.

[Anaconda]

You can't have power over us, it's not even worth trying.

Believe it Scumz!

[Anaconda]

Why is your dvd pirated?

Something wrong with a pirate anaconda?

[Rintarou]

Something wrong with a pirate anaconda?

You tell that to slendermenz
You take that back

You just implied pirates are bad

[Naughty Canadians]

You tell that to slendermenz
You take that back

You just implied pirates are bad

You just implied pirates are good.

[Anaconda]

You tell that to slendermenz
You take that back

You just implied pirates are bad

I was implying I was the best damn pirate anaconda to grace this earth. Surprised you didn't catch that.

[Empathy17]

Hi guys im an important PR doc on me tonight

(stolen from cryptonic)

[Anaconda]

Anyways,

Naughty Canadians

cuz I don't like them.

[Naughty Canadians]

I was implying I was the best damn pirate anaconda to grace this earth. Surprised you didn't catch that.

I can't catch.

[Anaconda]

Hi guys im an important PR doc on me tonight

(stolen from cryptonic)

Err.. this looks weird and unnatural.

Empathy17

[Anaconda]

I can't catch.

And who's fault is that?

[Naughty Canadians]

Anyways,

Naughty Canadians

cuz I don't like them.

Canadians like snakes. Therefore, you do not like Canadians, so you do not like our opinions, so you do not like snakes, so you do not like yourself.

Oops?

[Rintarou]

And who's fault is that?

This is a reportable offense.

[Anaconda]

Canadians like snakes. Therefore, you do not like Canadians, so you do not like our opinions, so you do not like snakes, so you do not like yourself.

Oops?

Two can play at that game!....

[Naughty Canadians]

This is a reportable offense.

Threats are reportable.

[Anaconda]

This is a reportable offense.

It was a joke. I can't catch either. I'm a snake, snakes can't catch.

[Empathy17]

Err.. this looks weird and unnatural.

Empathy17

prob becasue im tired and pissed off and was doing what cryptonic does as trolling?

[Anaconda]

prob becasue im tired and pissed off and was doing what cryptonic does as trolling?

Then its even more sus.

[Naughty Canadians]

It was a joke. I can't catch either. I'm a snake, snakes can't catch.

If you can't catch, what can you do....?

[Anaconda]

If you can't catch, what can you do....?

Well, I can swallow people whole. I can do that.

[Anaconda]

Seriously though, I wouldn't mind a few votes on that empathy fellow.

[Naughty Canadians]

Well, I can swallow people whole. I can do that.

Stamp of Approval! (No idea where this came from at all o.o)

[Rintarou]

Yeah, who is eggy btw?
Same with G4slight. All I can think of is Gaslight Batman.

[Naughty Canadians]

Yeah, who is eggy btw?
Same with G4slight. All I can think of is Gaslight Batman.

Eggy is one of the many alternatives that provides protein. It also has an added y to it.

[Anaconda]

We should get a BW going soonish..

[Rintarou]

We should get a BW going soonish..

It's been... 20 minutes? It'll come.

[Whad]

Hello everyone! Give me a quick second to look over the game so far. I'm gonna throw a vote on the Naughty Canadians well, because they've been very very naughty!

Naughty Canadians

[Naughty Canadians]

Hello everyone! Give me a quick second to look over the game so far. I'm gonna throw a vote on the Naughty Canadians well, because they've been very very naughty!

Naughty Canadians

Your so full of Whad.

[Anaconda]

Hello everyone! Give me a quick second to look over the game so far. I'm gonna throw a vote on the Naughty Canadians well, because they've been very very naughty!

Naughty Canadians

Why the same exact thing here?

[Naughty Canadians]

Your so full of Whad.

Hello Friends, Tis me.. The good Canadian here... I can see my partner here has already made me look like a fool.

You're*

My partner went to go play with himself till morning, it's just me now.

[Whad]

We should get a BW going soonish..
What is a BW?


Your so full of Whad.
Why thank you! I will take that as a compliment.

Rintarou
Empathy17
Anaconda
@Naughty_Canadians
Can all you Archons please sign your posts to indicate which half of the Archon is posting? Thank you!

[Anaconda]

What is a BW?


Why thank you! I will take that as a compliment.

Rintarou
Empathy17
Anaconda
@Naughty_Canadians
Can all you Archons please sign your posts to indicate which half of the Archon is posting? Thank you!

Feel free to answer my question anytime. In fact, you could answer it now if you wanted.

[Rintarou]

What is a BW?


Why thank you! I will take that as a compliment.

Rintarou
Empathy17
Anaconda
@Naughty_Canadians
Can all you Archons please sign your posts to indicate which half of the Archon is posting? Thank you!

I'm a mad scientist. So no. And go eat some dirt.
We are one and the same. If there is something that is different that we need to point out, it will be corrected.

That being said, having had played with a few of these other players, I think I can tell who is posting when.

[Kovath]

Sup folks.

Predicting some regression to the mean for my buddy Whad.

Whad

Is the Anaconda gonna eat up the Eggy?

[Naughty Canadians]

What is a BW?


Why thank you! I will take that as a compliment.

Rintarou
Empathy17
Anaconda
@Naughty_Canadians
Can all you Archons please sign your posts to indicate which half of the Archon is posting? Thank you!

I'm gonna pull some return to normalcy shit and say no, i refuse to sign my posts. But you will definitely know when it is I, as I am the Queen of Canada.

[Naughty Canadians]

I also change my policy vote for reason this person should know.

Kovath

[Eggy]

hello people new guy here

[Kovath]

I also change my policy vote for reason this person should know.

Kovath

I'm a selfish POS. I apologize for it.

Also, Canadians always seem to bear the brunt of it for reasons I don't know.

[Anaconda]

Sup folks.

Predicting some regression to the mean for my buddy Whad.

Whad

Is the Anaconda gonna eat up the Eggy?

Couldn't tell you. Possibly, though.

[Whad]

So this setup is totally a mindfudge! If we are in setup A, it's 2 mafia v 7 town (normal game). But if we are in setup B, then it's 2 illuminati vs. 7 non-illuminati (mafia + town). If it's setup A, the mafia want to gun after townies, but if it's setup B, the mafia will essentially function like scum masons with a nightkill. There might also be some graveyard madness... My brain is having a terribly difficult time wrapping itself around what optimal strategy for this game looks like.

[Anaconda]

hello people new guy here

K, cool.

Where have you played before?

[Naughty Canadians]

Also, Canadians always seem to bear the brunt of it for reasons I don't know.

We can keep ourselves in check in the most toughest and unusual times.

[Anaconda]

So this setup is totally a mindfudge! If we are in setup A, it's 2 mafia v 7 town (normal game). But if we are in setup B, then it's 2 illuminati vs. 7 non-illuminati (mafia + town). If it's setup A, the mafia want to gun after townies, but if it's setup B, the mafia will essentially function like scum masons with a nightkill. There might also be some graveyard madness... My brain is having a terribly difficult time wrapping itself around what optimal strategy for this game looks like.

I have a thrill for you!

If you could answer my question I might just remove this:

Whad

[Naughty Canadians]

Where have you played before?

He hasn't played anywhere before, he is experiencing this amazingness for the first time. Make him feel welcome by policy voting.

[Eggy]

No where this is literally my first game

[Whad]

Feel free to answer my question anytime. In fact, you could answer it now if you wanted.

If you mean why I posted the same thing in the signups thread it's because I mistakenly thought it was the game thread. Host said to leave the other post in the signups thread.

Is that what you're referring to? If not, you're going to have to help point me in the right direction.


I'm a mad scientist. So no. And go eat some dirt.
We are one and the same. If there is something that is different that we need to point out, it will be corrected.

That being said, having had played with a few of these other players, I think I can tell who is posting when.

I haven't played with everyone enough to tell who is posting what. If I had to guess though, this is probably AIVION?

[Anaconda]

He hasn't played anywhere before, he is experiencing this amazingness for the first time. Make him feel welcome by policy voting.

No thanks, not interested in your anti-American propaganda.

[Eggy]

Naughty Canadians

[Anaconda]

If you mean why I posted the same thing in the signups thread it's because I mistakenly thought it was the game thread. Host said to leave the other post in the signups thread.

Is that what you're referring to? If not, you're going to have to help point me in the right direction.

Yes, but why the exact same wording. That's what I don't get.

[Kovath]

If you mean why I posted the same thing in the signups thread it's because I mistakenly thought it was the game thread. Host said to leave the other post in the signups thread.

Is that what you're referring to? If not, you're going to have to help point me in the right direction.



I haven't played with everyone enough to tell who is posting what. If I had to guess though, this is probably AIVION?

Good thing I couldn't care less about meta / player reads and I only read slots.

Also, welcome to Mafia Eggy! You've chosen an interesting setup as your FM debut :P

[Naughty Canadians]

No thanks, not interested in your anti-American propaganda.

Sorry to tell you, but he is Pro-Canada.

[Anaconda]

Sorry to tell you, but he is Pro-Canada.

Don't make me go pro-choice all over your hydra.

[Whad]

I also change my policy vote for reason this person should know.

Kovath

Can you explain what the policy reason is?

[Whad]

Yes, but why the exact same wording. That's what I don't get.

I just copy/pasted it since that was supposed to be my first post in this thread anyway.

[Naughty Canadians]

Can you explain what the policy reason is?

I mean, all i'm going to say is i'm not going to stand up for him anymore then go out to dinner to find him lynched and myself dead.

[Kovath]

I mean, all i'm going to say is i'm not going to stand up for him anymore then go out to dinner to find him lynched and myself dead.

FeelsBadMan :( I swear that was not what I was hoping for!

[Naughty Canadians]

FeelsBadMan :( I swear that was not what I was hoping for!

Make it up to me by submitting to my thoughts and following my lead.

[Anaconda]

I just copy/pasted it since that was supposed to be my first post in this thread anyway.

But you had a chance to read the thread since then. Why just predetermine who you are going to vote for?

[Anaconda]

Kovath, feel free to give me a town read anytime :)

[Naughty Canadians]

Kovath, feel free to give me a town read anytime :)

my read on you is you've probably never seen the anaconda movie.

[Anaconda]

my read on you is you've probably never seen the anaconda movie.

I read this as stopping content from happening.

[Eggy]

my read on you is you've probably never seen the anaconda movie.

there are like 5 anaconda movies and only the first 2 are any good :p

[Naughty Canadians]

I read this as stopping content from happening.

I read this as trying to start a productive conversation.

[Anaconda]

has everyone confirmed their role yet? (I really hope people aren't playing blind)

[Kovath]

has everyone confirmed their role yet? (I really hope people aren't playing blind)

People starting to play without knowing their role...

:facepalm:

[Whad]

But you had a chance to read the thread since then. Why just predetermine who you are going to vote for?

I am only online for a limited amount of time each day so I thought it was best to post ASAP to announce my presence so that people may interact with me instead of reading up and posting one or two posts before wandering off to bed.

[Naughty Canadians]

Hi Whad!

[Whad]

has everyone confirmed their role yet? (I really hope people aren't playing blind)

inb4 Illuminati Grand Wizard frantically signaling to the Infiltrator to assume a role.

Looking at the setup to figure out what the Illuminati Godfather is called made me think of a question:

The infiltrator role card states:

You may change your assumed role only once per day/night, unless you started the night as a mason.

Is the infiltrator locked into the role of mason if they pick it?
When would the infiltrator be able to change their role if they did indeed start the night as a mason?

[Whad]

Hi Whad!

Hello!

Whad.

[Kovath]

Hi guys im an important PR doc on me tonight

(stolen from cryptonic)

When did Cryptonic become a role model?

[Naughty Canadians]

Hello!

Whad.

How yah doing eh?

Naughty Canadians.

[Naughty Canadians]

It's time for Eggy to slide into this thread with his awesome facts!

[Kovath]

It's time for @Eggy (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28401) to slide into this thread with his awesome facts!

Why so eager to summon Eggy?

[Naughty Canadians]

Why so eager to summon Eggy?

Because I want the new person to participate and feel comfortable speaking.

[Anaconda]

So this setup is totally a mindfudge! If we are in setup A, it's 2 mafia v 7 town (normal game). But if we are in setup B, then it's 2 illuminati vs. 7 non-illuminati (mafia + town). If it's setup A, the mafia want to gun after townies, but if it's setup B, the mafia will essentially function like scum masons with a nightkill. There might also be some graveyard madness... My brain is having a terribly difficult time wrapping itself around what optimal strategy for this game looks like.

How about lynch scum? Does that work for you?

[Naughty Canadians]

How about lynch scum? Does that work for you?

so we lynch you?

[Whad]

How about lynch scum? Does that work for you?

The crazy thing though is that who "scum" is changes based on if we are in world A or world B. This is confounded by the fact that the mafia team doesn't even know if they are "scum" in this game or not since nobody except the illuminati knows if the illuminati is present so far.

When you add that wrinkle into the game, it's really hard to read if someone's actions align with scum or not.

[Whad]

Because I want the new person to participate and feel comfortable speaking.

I would feel a lot more comfortable if you went back to posting pictures of fans.

[Kovath]

I would feel a lot more comfortable if you went back to posting pictures of fans.

I'm not a fan of this.

Content is good.

[Anaconda]

The crazy thing though is that who "scum" is changes based on if we are in world A or world B. This is confounded by the fact that the mafia team doesn't even know if they are "scum" in this game or not since nobody except the illuminati knows if the illuminati is present so far.

When you add that wrinkle into the game, it's really hard to read if someone's actions align with scum or not.

If You are town, it doesn't matter who you lynch as long as you lynch scum. If we kill mafia, then great! one more gone and that eliminates a NK at least. There is no reason not to just look for scum and lynch them. I find it Sus that you don't get that initially after commenting on the setup. If you are town, you have no choice but to try and lynch scum.. any scum. You are now officially on my radar.

[Naughty Canadians]

I would feel a lot more comfortable if you went back to posting pictures of fans.

http://www.phiwumbda.org/~quincy/Env/Recharge-Fan-GN-2390-.jpg

make you happy?

[Kovath]

If You are town, it doesn't matter who you lynch as long as you lynch scum. If we kill mafia, then great! one more gone and that eliminates a NK at least. There is no reason not to just look for scum and lynch them. I find it Sus that you don't get that initially after commenting on the setup. If you are town, you have no choice but to try and lynch scum.. any scum. You are now officially on my radar.

You went for the easy answer of "lynch scum." Duh. That's what town is supposed to do in any game. That's the low-hanging fruit instead of actually considering the issue. Killing mafia is actually suboptimal in Setup B because town wins with them, and killing both will give the Illuminati a night kill which will likely be devastating after the mislynches likely in any game and the mafia doing their own night kills.

I find it disturbing on my end that you decided to scum-ping Whad by going for low-hanging fruit instead of thinking through these things yourself.

[Naughty Canadians]

Please try really hard to not misinterpret my fan Whad. I know it's hard for you.

[Eggy]

You went for the easy answer of "lynch scum." Duh. That's what town is supposed to do in any game. That's the low-hanging fruit instead of actually considering the issue. Killing mafia is actually suboptimal in Setup B because town wins with them, and killing both will give the Illuminati a night kill which will likely be devastating after the mislynches likely in any game and the mafia doing their own night kills.

I find it disturbing on my end that you decided to scum-ping Whad by going for low-hanging fruit instead of thinking through these things yourself.

Sounds like sumthing scum would say

[Anaconda]

You went for the easy answer of "lynch scum." Duh. That's what town is supposed to do in any game. That's the low-hanging fruit instead of actually considering the issue. Killing mafia is actually suboptimal in Setup B because town wins with them, and killing both will give the Illuminati a night kill which will likely be devastating after the mislynches likely in any game and the mafia doing their own night kills.

I find it disturbing on my end that you decided to scum-ping Whad by going for low-hanging fruit instead of thinking through these things yourself.

The only problem I have with what you said here is that it assumes we are going to mislynch. You also fail to recognise that Mafia can attempt to NK a 3p during the night and I'd wager that's who they would be gunning for first. Let Mafia worry about the 3p and let town worry about everything else.

[Anaconda]

Just have to say, MattZed really love this setup. Its really cool, I don't know how you got the idea for it, but I like it.

[Whad]

If You are town, it doesn't matter who you lynch as long as you lynch scum. If we kill mafia, then great! one more gone and that eliminates a NK at least. There is no reason not to just look for scum and lynch them. I find it Sus that you don't get that initially after commenting on the setup. If you are town, you have no choice but to try and lynch scum.. any scum. You are now officially on my radar.

If we're in setup B, then we win with the mafia. It's a little weird that you don't know that. I'll post the win conditions here just so everyone is on the same page:


Special Mechanics:
Before the game begins, I will decide if we will be playing Setup A or Setup B. Which setup we are playing will not be publicly announced, and it is up to players to figure out and pursue the appropriate win condition.

Win Conditions:
Setup A:
Mafia: Eliminate the Town and have at least one member of the Mafia survive, or make it so nothing can stop you from doing so.
Town:Eliminate the Mafia and have least one member of the Town survive, or make it so nothing can stop you from doing so.

Mafia wins all ties.

Setup B:
Illuminati: Eliminate the Non-Illuminati and have at least one Illuminati survive, or make it so nothing can stop you from doing so.
Non-Illuminati: Eliminate the Illuminati and have at least one Non-Illuminati survive,or make it so nothing can stop you from doing so.

Illuminati wins all ties.

Just to reiterate, if we are in setup B then regardless of if your role card says mafia or town it actually means Non-Illuminati alignment that wins together.

[Anaconda]

Does Illuminati know all the roles that are in the game?

[Anaconda]

If we're in setup B, then we win with the mafia. It's a little weird that you don't know that. I'll post the win conditions here just so everyone is on the same page:


Just to reiterate, if we are in setup B then regardless of if your role card says mafia or town it actually means Non-Illuminati alignment that wins together.

This is called IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis). It means you are not bringing any conclusions to the table, but rather just stating things that are already apparent. This is considered a weak scum tell.

[Whad]

Please try really hard to not misinterpret my fan Whad. I know it's hard for you.

Oh I've already started interpreting it.


You went for the easy answer of "lynch scum." Duh. That's what town is supposed to do in any game. That's the low-hanging fruit instead of actually considering the issue. Killing mafia is actually suboptimal in Setup B because town wins with them, and killing both will give the Illuminati a night kill which will likely be devastating after the mislynches likely in any game and the mafia doing their own night kills.

I find it disturbing on my end that you decided to scum-ping Whad by going for low-hanging fruit instead of thinking through these things yourself.

Whoops, didn't see that someone had explained this to Anaconda already. I think it's safe to say though, that Anaconda isn't illuminati unless he is hiding behind more levels of deception than I had fathomed.

[Whad]

This is called IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis). It means you are not bringing any conclusions to the table, but rather just stating things that are already apparent. This is considered a weak scum tell.

Wrong. I wasn't stating things that were "already apparent". As evidence of this information being not "already apparent" is you being totally uninformed about who is classed as scum in setups A and B.

[Anaconda]

Wrong. I wasn't stating things that were "already apparent". As evidence of this information being not "already apparent" is you being totally uninformed about who is classed as scum in setups A and B.

If you are still arguing that I am unaware of the setup you need to seriously keep caught up in this thread. Do you really think I ask the question I did to the host with having no clue of the setup?

[Whad]

If you are still arguing that I am unaware of the setup you need to seriously keep caught up in this thread. Do you really think I ask the question I did to the host with having no clue of the setup?

Step 1: I assume all players in the game have read the setup.
Step 2: When one player in the game is unaware of the win conditions, I realize that not everyone has read (and remembers) the setup.
Step 3: Direct players to win conditions so that all players are on the same page (even if previously mentioned one player is now up to speed).

[Whad]

Anaconda

Look. This honestly just feels like TvT to me. I love the questions you are asking of people (me!) and all; I just want to direct this towards something more productive.

[Anaconda]

I like my vote currently.

Whad failed to mention that I said Mafia is gunning for 3p (why didn't they comment on that since its related to the topic?) and instead decides they need to defend themselves from what I said to them that they just did a weak scum tell. Why so quick to defend themselves but not to take info in that a player has demonstrated that they know something, but are still using the fact that it appeared that that person didn't know something?

[Anaconda]

Step 1: I assume all players in the game have read the setup.
Step 2: When one player in the game is unaware of the win conditions, I realize that not everyone has read (and remembers) the setup.
Step 3: Direct players to win conditions so that all players are on the same page (even if previously mentioned one player is now up to speed).

You are either assuming I didn't know the setup or you are scum, its that simple because I did know the setup.

[Anaconda]

Anaconda

Look. This honestly just feels like TvT to me. I love the questions you are asking of people (me!) and all; I just want to direct this towards something more productive.

Wow, your willing to give yourself a Town read already? I'm impressed!

[Whad]

I'm townreading Mesk and Anaconda right now. Needing more from everyone else.

Eggy:

Sounds like sumthing scum would say
It bothers me that you call Kovath out for a "scummy" post and then don't vote him for it. Can you explain why you're still voting Naughty Canadians instead of someone who literally just said something that "scum would say"?

Eggy

[Rintarou]

I haven't played with everyone enough to tell who is posting what. If I had to guess though, this is probably AIVION?

That was more for me than for you. I pretty much tell who is posting what inside other people's archons.
This is Rintarou btw.


If You are town, it doesn't matter who you lynch as long as you lynch scum. If we kill mafia, then great! one more gone and that eliminates a NK at least. There is no reason not to just look for scum and lynch them. I find it Sus that you don't get that initially after commenting on the setup. If you are town, you have no choice but to try and lynch scum.. any scum. You are now officially on my radar.

This is incorrect. Simply look at the last day of Illuminati??? (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35506-S-FM-188-Iluminati?p=582140&viewfull=1#post582140).


This is called IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis). It means you are not bringing any conclusions to the table, but rather just stating things that are already apparent. This is considered a weak scum tell.
I'm assuming this is now Quick speaking. Your play is so much scummier than your counterpart. And hydra dissonance is scummy.
In addition, this post is so eagerly grasping at nothing. I find Whad's comments to be more open minded. I suspect Whad never read S-FM Illuminati??? yet she comes to the same conclusions I bet the other players of that game would have concerning win-conditions.

Anaconda
Now I would like to investigate this.

[Rintarou]

I'm townreading Mesk and Anaconda right now. Needing more from everyone else.

Eggy:

It bothers me that you call Kovath out for a "scummy" post and then don't vote him for it. Can you explain why you're still voting Naughty Canadians instead of someone who literally just said something that "scum would say"?

Eggy

Eggy is also playing poorly, but since I suspect he is new. I think we can deal with him later.

[Rintarou]

Anaconda Have your heads already started disagreeing? Have they come to the same conclusion on anything yet?

[Whad]

I like my vote currently.

Whad failed to mention that I said Mafia is gunning for 3p (why didn't they comment on that since its related to the topic?) and instead decides they need to defend themselves from what I said to them that they just did a weak scum tell. Why so quick to defend themselves but not to take info in that a player has demonstrated that they know something, but are still using the fact that it appeared that that person didn't know something?

Mafia won't be gunning for the third party if they haven't read the setup to realize they can in fact win with the town. And technically in that case, is it a third party if there are still only two factions since mafia gets absorbed into the non-illuminati faction?


You are either assuming I didn't know the setup or you are scum, its that simple because I did know the setup.

You obviously did not know the setup based on your earlier comment to me that townies "should be concerned with lynching scum and if we lynch a mafia great!"


If You are town, it doesn't matter who you lynch as long as you lynch scum. If we kill mafia, then great! one more gone and that eliminates a NK at least. There is no reason not to just look for scum and lynch them. I find it Sus that you don't get that initially after commenting on the setup. If you are town, you have no choice but to try and lynch scum.. any scum. You are now officially on my radar.

[Anaconda]

Rintarou,

Your point is seen without me having to look of the last day of an old game. I will correct my statement and say Town just has to lynch scum as long as it is unknown if there it Illuminati in the game.

Your vote is misplaced. I have been playing Pro-Town all game (Meaning I have been the only one to post in the thread thus far). But I can see how you thought Gyrlander was posting because I was acting like them with the jokes.

Its in towns best interest for me to live to tomorrow.

All I can say is that it looks like your vote is on me because I don't think the same way about the setup as other people. That is a weak reason.

[Anaconda]

OK, your right. I did say that Whad. I was not fully aware of the setup at that time.

I just ask that you don't lynch me until my other head is able to give some thought on the game.

[Whad]

That was more for me than for you. I pretty much tell who is posting what inside other people's archons.
This is Rintarou btw.



This is incorrect. Simply look at the last day of Illuminati??? (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35506-S-FM-188-Iluminati?p=582140&viewfull=1#post582140).


I'm assuming this is now Quick speaking. Your play is so much scummier than your counterpart. And hydra dissonance is scummy.
In addition, this post is so eagerly grasping at nothing. I find Whad's comments to be more open minded. I suspect Whad never read S-FM Illuminati??? yet she comes to the same conclusions I bet the other players of that game would have concerning win-conditions.

Anaconda
Now I would like to investigate this.

Whoa I was not expecting the first "Illuminati???" game to be setup B. I thought I read somewhere that it was setup A and that MattZed only included it as an option for the intrigue. I almost hope that it's setup A but a mafia reveals in daychat, convincing us not to lynch him because he knows the existence of the illuminati due to the mafia NK getting redirected. Like that would literally be so dramatic and fun that I don't even care if this is giving the scum team ideas.


Eggy is also playing poorly, but since I suspect he is new. I think we can deal with him later.

I think since he's new, all the better to test his reactions and response to pressure to get a good read on him. Other more experienced players I believe would be more likely to respond well as town or scum.

[Whad]

OK, your right. I did say that Whad. I was not fully aware of the setup at that time.

I just ask that you don't lynch me until my other head is able to give some thought on the game.

I'm not even voting you. Also, you only have one vote on you. Defensive much?

[Anaconda]

I'm not even voting you. Also, you only have one vote on you. Defensive much?

I am aware of how things can snowball. In my first 16 games I was lynched day 1 8 times.

[Eggy]

I'm townreading Mesk and Anaconda right now. Needing more from everyone else.

Eggy:

It bothers me that you call Kovath out for a "scummy" post and then don't vote him for it. Can you explain why you're still voting Naughty Canadians instead of someone who literally just said something that "scum would say"?

Eggy

My first vote was more of a joke than anything else, I was planning on waiting for things to unfold so that I might have enough information to make an educated guess. I think I have waited long enough thought, you seem awfully sure that there are infact illuminati im this game, too sure if you ask me. I am new and maybe I am playing poorly but from what I've read I have my suspicions, call it a feeling Whad

[Anaconda]

My first vote was more of a joke than anything else, I was planning on waiting for things to unfold so that I might have enough information to make an educated guess. I think I have waited long enough thought, you seem awfully sure that there are infact illuminati im this game, too sure if you ask me. I am new and maybe I am playing poorly but from what I've read I have my suspicions, call it a feeling Whad

Where are you getting that Whad thought there was Illuminati in the game? Explain how you came to that conclusion.

[Whad]

My first vote was more of a joke than anything else, I was planning on waiting for things to unfold so that I might have enough information to make an educated guess. I think I have waited long enough thought, you seem awfully sure that there are infact illuminati im this game, too sure if you ask me. I am new and maybe I am playing poorly but from what I've read I have my suspicions, call it a feeling Whad

1. When did I express certainty that there are illuminati in this game? Please quote it for me.
2. A townsperson has motive to make 100% certain that the mafia know that we could be on the same team against illuminati.
3. Typically in forum mafia it's very scummy to vote the person who just voted you with weak, reactionary reasoning. We call it an "OMG You Suck" vote (colloquially referred to as OMGUS).

What is your opinion on Naughty Canadians now that the game is unfolding? Also, what is your opinion of Rintarou?

[Eggy]

It is not your vote for me that made me suspicious it is the fact that you are the only person in this thread who felt the need to put as much thought into there being illuminati as you did. You are also the first person to bring it up if I am not mistaken. Although you never sspecifically stated whether you beleive there to be illuminati prescence or not your actions speak louder than your words and the sheer amount of effort you put into the possibility of illuminati in game suggest you know something I do not. That alone is enough reason to attract my attention and raise my suspicion. You also seem a tad bit defensive and it only solidifies my suspicions. I have no opinion on Naughty Canadian thusfar because he/she has not said enough for me to work with. As for Rintarou he has not done enough for me to confidently cast a vote against gim and as you have so kindly explained illuminati should be prioritzed over mafia so if infact Rintarou is mafia I would still vote for you due to simple logic. My vote is obviously not casr in stone but so far I believe you to be the most suspicous character on this thread.

[Naughty Canadians]

Just to reiterate, if we are in setup B then regardless of if your role card says mafia or town it actually means Non-Illuminati alignment that wins together.

No you have it wrong. If you are Illuminati you must lynch Mafia & Town, you win when you have majority. If you are Mafia you win by eliminating Town & Illuminati, you win when you have majority. If you are town you must destroy Illuminati and Mafia, we win when we have majority.

Don't let the fancy words confuse you Whad. Your objective does not change if Illuminati is in the game.
Stop making it seem like mafia scum is okay, you're not even doing a good job with it.


If you are still arguing that I am unaware of the setup you need to seriously keep caught up in this thread. Do you really think I ask the question I did to the host with having no clue of the setup?

I think Whad is rambling on about the setup as Mafia scum to distract everyone from their goal. his comments are basically useless. If he assumes everyone has read the set up why is he talking about it?


Anaconda
Look. This honestly just feels like TvT to me. I love the questions you are asking of people (me!) and all; I just want to direct this towards something more productive.

Ohhhhhhh heeeey, whad sliding in with the TvT talk. No it's not TvT its MvT and you're the mafia reluctantly backing off before more questions are asked. This productivity you speak about is chit chatter that isn't about you which was about to happen before you tried veering the conversation in another direction.


Wow, your willing to give yourself a Town read already? I'm impressed!

I'm very impressed too actually. What doesn't try this hard when he's scum.


I'm townreading Mesk and Anaconda right now. Needing more from everyone else.

Eggy:

It bothers me that you call Kovath out for a "scummy" post and then don't vote him for it. Can you explain why you're still voting Naughty Canadians instead of someone who literally just said something that "scum would say"?

Eggy

Okay first of all, It's Naughty Canadians, read it and weep. I am not Mesk at the moment, I am the Queen of Canada, and my partner here is my loyal servant and together we act like we are high class, but really we ain't shit... That's just how naughty people work.

Second of all, I'm really sorry to say but even I don't think I have contributed to enough for anyone to read me (hopefully after this post you do...)Anyways, so to us that just shows you already know we are not on your team. And perhaps you're saying the same thing about Anaconda.



I'm assuming this is now Quick speaking. Your play is so much scummier than your counterpart. And hydra dissonance is scummy.
In addition, this post is so eagerly grasping at nothing. I find Whad's comments to be more open minded. I suspect Whad never read S-FM Illuminati??? yet she comes to the same conclusions I bet the other players of that game would have concerning win-conditions.

Anaconda
Now I would like to investigate this.

We would argue not as we don't see Whads comments as open mindedness. It's irrelevant and brings no point... It was more of a hey i'm here, I have nothing to say... lets talk about this setup which he even spoke about in the wrong way. No, just because Mafia and Town are non illuminati aligned, it does not change your objective.


Eggy is also playing poorly, but since I suspect he is new. I think we can deal with him later.

thank you for using common sense.


Anaconda Have your heads already started disagreeing? Have they come to the same conclusion on anything yet?

Is this really necessary? you should believe that they are one. believe.......... don't comment on their poor coordination skills, it's a weak observation.


My first vote was more of a joke than anything else, I was planning on waiting for things to unfold so that I might have enough information to make an educated guess. I think I have waited long enough thought, you seem awfully sure that there are infact illuminati im this game, too sure if you ask me. I am new and maybe I am playing poorly but from what I've read I have my suspicions, call it a feeling Whad

you shouldn't have to explain your policy lynch, it baffles me that whad made you and us feel like we did. It's good that you're atleast voicing your somewhat opinion.


It is not your vote for me that made me suspicious it is the fact that you are the only person in this thread who felt the need to put as much thought into there being illuminati as you did. You are also the first person to bring it up if I am not mistaken. Although you never sspecifically stated whether you beleive there to be illuminati prescence or not your actions speak louder than your words and the sheer amount of effort you put into the possibility of illuminati in game suggest you know something I do not. That alone is enough reason to attract my attention and raise my suspicion. You also seem a tad bit defensive and it only solidifies my suspicions. I have no opinion on Naughty Canadian thusfar because he/she has not said enough for me to work with. As for Rintarou he has not done enough for me to confidently cast a vote against gim and as you have so kindly explained illuminati should be prioritzed over mafia so if infact Rintarou is mafia I would still vote for you due to simple logic. My vote is obviously not casr in stone but so far I believe you to be the most suspicous character on this thread.

Awesome, I have a similar view... However he is possibly not Illuminati and is Mafia.

[Naughty Canadians]

Oh and because apparently you cannot have suspicions on someone and not vote them....

Whad

[Anaconda]

Naughty Canadians,

Who do you see as Town so far, if anyone?

[Anaconda]

I think the logical side of this HYDRA will be Quick side and the emotional one will be me (Pika Pika!)

[Anaconda]

We have to figure out a few things Gyrl. First, we have to get one o' dem fancy red names that tells that we are a archon. 2nd, we are going to need to talk about stuff outside the game about this game (if that is permitted here).

[Anaconda]

We have to figure out a few things Gyrl. First, we have to get one o' dem fancy red names that tells that we are a archon. 2nd, we are going to need to talk about stuff outside the game about this game (if that is permitted here).

Also, feel free to change the avatar if you want, I just picked this one because we needed one.

[Anaconda]

One lase thing Gyrl, I think I'm more the intuitive one and you're more the feeling one. I'm not the best at deduction, but I am pretty intuitive.

[Anaconda]

I think you should give me your Skype or something because communicating through the thread is not the most appropiate thing lol. And yeah, I hope when an admin reads this he can change us to hydra account.

Oh, and I'm pretty intuitive also. I prefer feelings than analyzing. :D

[Quick]

I think you should give me your Skype or something because communicating through the thread is not the most appropiate thing lol. And yeah, I hope when an admin reads this he can change us to hydra account.

Oh, and I'm pretty intuitive also. I prefer feelings than analyzing. :D

Yeah, I would have said sensing if I thought you were that but I thought there was a really good chance that you were intuitive like me *High five for intuitives*

I'll PM this account with my Skype.

[Anaconda]

Yeah, I would have said sensing if I thought you were that but I thought there was a really good chance that you were intuitive like me *High five for intuitives*

I'll PM this account with my Skype.

Man I can't do anything right on this site. Jeeze! I meant this account.

[Cryptonic]

Hello & good morning!
I'm an important town power role, doctor on me tonight pls.

Will read when back from gym in about an hour.

[Cryptonic]

Also I made you guys an Archon last night, just the display usergroup was kept as Reg User. Could've been changed in your profile.
ok bbs

[Anaconda]

In my mind Crypt's attitude is the scummiest by far lol

[Naughty Canadians]

I'm not really feeling a L-1 already, not sure what my partner was thinking.

[Cryptonic]

In my mind Crypt's attitude is the scummiest by far lol

One post in and you're already a hypocrite and contradicting yourself, DAMN


Scum gunna get wrecked by our massive Anaconda, errr... Power Role, yeah, that.

1) Says basically the same first post as me.
2) Says I'm scummy.
1 + 2 = He's admitting he's scummy.


I'll leave this hear for now, maybe I'll come across a better vote if you're lucky.

Anaconda

[Cryptonic]

Why no vote?

LOL this is your second post?
Asking why someone didn't vote when you didn't vote yourself?
What is this, I don't even

[Anaconda]

LOL this is your second post?
Asking why someone didn't vote when you didn't vote yourself?
What is this, I don't even

This is the most specialest snowflake anaconda that has ever been or ever will be on this site! We don't play by other peoples rules. Get use to it.

[Anaconda]

One post in and you're already a hypocrite and contradicting yourself, DAMN



1) Says basically the same first post as me.
2) Says I'm scummy.
1 + 2 = He's admitting he's scummy.


I'll leave this hear for now, maybe I'll come across a better vote if you're lucky.

Anaconda

Da fack is this. You're overexagerating to planetary levels. Let's stop this L-1 which is fucking horrible.

Cryptonic

[Anaconda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4KXMyb-aGY

[Cryptonic]

Kovath

But why? Why are you just voting cause Anaconda told you to??


Cryptonic

I saw what he did.

Pls don't Lima me, I was in bed.


Hi guys im an important PR doc on me tonight

(stolen from cryptonic)

FUCK YOU don't steal my WIFOM


Err.. this looks weird and unnatural.

Empathy17

Voting someone who outwardly claims a TPR?? Why would Town want to lynch someone who claims TPR?? Makes 0 sense.


prob becasue im tired and pissed off and was doing what cryptonic does as trolling?

It's not trolling, it's WIFOM. If you make me explain how it's WIFOM, then you're scum directing night actions.


Then its even more sus.

No, it's not at all.


hello people new guy here

Welcome! What are your thoughts so far? What do you think the best strategy in the game is?


Don't make me go pro-choice all over your hydra.

Archon**


Kovath, feel free to give me a town read anytime :)

For what reason? What have you done LOL


has everyone confirmed their role yet? (I really hope people aren't playing blind)

No one ACTUALLY does this. If someone says they do, they are either retarded or lying for a specific means in a specific setup.


When did Cryptonic become a role model?

Always and forever


so we lynch you?

IDK why I multi-quoted this, I forgot what I was going to reply to this with.


If You are town, it doesn't matter who you lynch as long as you lynch scum. If we kill mafia, then great! one more gone and that eliminates a NK at least. There is no reason not to just look for scum and lynch them. I find it Sus that you don't get that initially after commenting on the setup. If you are town, you have no choice but to try and lynch scum.. any scum. You are now officially on my radar.

If Illuminati is around, Mafia is not scum. Encouraging a lynch of Mafia this soon and giving Illuminati complete control of the NK is SO anti-town, you have to be Illuminati. Lying to town saying that it would eliminate the NK is just so wrong... Mafia is part of town if Illuminati is here, and is not scum. Lying Mafia = misslynch is Illuminati is around. You are now officially on my radar.


You went for the easy answer of "lynch scum." Duh. That's what town is supposed to do in any game. That's the low-hanging fruit instead of actually considering the issue. Killing mafia is actually suboptimal in Setup B because town wins with them, and killing both will give the Illuminati a night kill which will likely be devastating after the mislynches likely in any game and the mafia doing their own night kills.

I find it disturbing on my end that you decided to scum-ping Whad by going for low-hanging fruit instead of thinking through these things yourself.

I would have to agree with this. "Lynch scum" is so overly simplified, and then groups possible allies as scum? We need to lynch people working against the best interest of town, or who are overtly lying for 0 means. I also agree that he seems to think he's so pro-town and says everyone should have a town read, but then his perception of the setup and votes are completely opposite with town's best interests.


The only problem I have with what you said here is that it assumes we are going to mislynch. You also fail to recognise that Mafia can attempt to NK a 3p during the night and I'd wager that's who they would be gunning for first. Let Mafia worry about the 3p and let town worry about everything else.

Mafia CAN be a misslynch. Although you do raise a good point FINALLY. That Mafia should focus on Illuminati-like Town members, and Town should focus on anybody who is working against town's best interest.


Wow, your willing to give yourself a Town read already? I'm impressed!

Saying the person who is giving themselves Town read already? WHY DO YOU CONTRADICT SO MUCH. Please say it's one Archon saying some shit and the other completely Contradicting. Because your slot is complete bullshit.


That was more for me than for you. I pretty much tell who is posting what inside other people's archons.
This is Rintarou btw.

This is incorrect. Simply look at the last day of Illuminati??? (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35506-S-FM-188-Iluminati?p=582140&viewfull=1#post582140).

I'm assuming this is now Quick speaking. Your play is so much scummier than your counterpart. And hydra dissonance is scummy.
In addition, this post is so eagerly grasping at nothing. I find Whad's comments to be more open minded. I suspect Whad never read S-FM Illuminati??? yet she comes to the same conclusions I bet the other players of that game would have concerning win-conditions.

Anaconda
Now I would like to investigate this.

This is exactly what I was saying above. One or both of the counterparts are super scummy. It's just such a bad vibe. And it's easy to get a read on someone who is spamming the thread like this. I agree that we should get a roleclaim from Anaconda today. If he's so "pro-town", then I say let him prove it tbh.


Mafia won't be gunning for the third party if they haven't read the setup to realize they can in fact win with the town. And technically in that case, is it a third party if there are still only two factions since mafia gets absorbed into the non-illuminati faction?
You obviously did not know the setup based on your earlier comment to me that townies "should be concerned with lynching scum and if we lynch a mafia great!"

Yes, that's is why we need to get the word out today to make sure everyone has the same perception on the setup so we can have a good chance of winning whether we're against Mafia or if we're against Illuminati. And yes, either he didn't read the setup, or was a pisspoor attempt to mislead Town into thinking mislynching Mafia and giving his Illuminati faction the NK is pro-town LOL


Rintarou,

Your point is seen without me having to look of the last day of an old game. I will correct my statement and say Town just has to lynch scum as long as it is unknown if there it Illuminati in the game.
Your vote is misplaced. I have been playing Pro-Town all game (Meaning I have been the only one to post in the thread thus far). But I can see how you thought Gyrlander was posting because I was acting like them with the jokes.

Its in towns best interest for me to live to tomorrow.

All I can say is that it looks like your vote is on me because I don't think the same way about the setup as other people. That is a weak reason.

How have you been pro town? You've contradicted yourself three times so far, and that's only what I noticed. There could be more times. If it's in town's best interest that you live, then maybe you shouldn't be so scummy and controlling the lynch and voting people claiming TPR lol. That's not something that someone who is at risk of dying at night would do. You have to see how your actions make no sense.


I'm not even voting you. Also, you only have one vote on you. Defensive much?

Yep, trying drastically to rebuild the "image" they're trying to put on this game to try to make us think he's our Ally.

[Cryptonic]

OK CAUGHT UP TO WHERE I POSTED, LEZ DO THIS

[Cryptonic]

Da fack is this. You're overexagerating to planetary levels. Let's stop this L-1 which is fucking horrible.

Cryptonic

HAHA This is why you are shitty:

1) Claim someone who claims TPR is scummy, even though you claimed TPR.
2) Voting someone who claimed TPR, effectively trying to out a TPR to the Mafia/Illuminati.
3) The OMGUS immediately after my vote.

It's not overexaggerating, you literally did everything I stated.

[Cryptonic]

Let's get a role claim outta scumking Anaconda today or tomorrow.

Another thing I just noticed:
He's been online for a while, noticed Whad at L-1, and admits it's a bad train ("Let's stop this L-1 which is fucking horrible."). Yet, why did he not unvote a lot sooner if this was his feeling towards the train? Instead of keeping a player at L-1 for sooo long?

Can you answer that, Anaconda? If Whad was such a bad train, why did you leave him in a position to get hammered for such a long period of time?

[Anaconda]

*snip*

The WIFOM is strong in this one.

I know I personally don't like that playstyle much as town because your reads get WIFOMed to bejesus come. Good for a Scum game tho.

[Cryptonic]

The WIFOM is strong in this one.

I know I personally don't like that playstyle much as town because your reads get WIFOMed to bejesus come. Good for a Scum game tho.

Address things I've stated instead of ignoring everything.

[Anaconda]

Let's get a role claim outta scumking Anaconda today or tomorrow.

Another thing I just noticed:
He's been online for a while, noticed Whad at L-1, and admits it's a bad train ("Let's stop this L-1 which is fucking horrible."). Yet, why did he not unvote a lot sooner if this was his feeling towards the train? Instead of keeping a player at L-1 for sooo long?

Can you answer that, Anaconda? If Whad was such a bad train, why did you leave him in a position to get hammered for such a long period of time?

Settle down in your saddle, DAMN! Did you even think to consider it could be more than one person talking? I didn't think so. So stop talking to yourself and stop this childness.

[Anaconda]

Address things I've stated instead of ignoring everything.

You are making this game harder than it needs to be if you are town.

[Cryptonic]

Settle down in your saddle, DAMN! Did you even think to consider it could be more than one person talking? I didn't think so. So stop talking to yourself and stop this childness.

So it's a different person now than it was 90 minutes ago? I don't believe that.

[Cryptonic]

You are making this game harder than it needs to be if you are town.

Nope, really not lol.
Calling someone I think is scum as scum.
I think you're scum because you an insincere and contradict yourself, while demanding town-cred for no reason. Seems very scum-like to me.

It's this simple: I think you're scum = I push lynch on you

How do you play Mafia? lol

[Cryptonic]

1) Claim someone who claims TPR is scummy, even though you claimed TPR.
2) Voting someone who claimed TPR, effectively trying to out a TPR to the Mafia/Illuminati.
3) The OMGUS immediately after my vote.

Can you prove me wrong on these 3 points, please? Maybe you can actually earn some town-cred instead of acting like you're entitled to it.

[Cryptonic]

Well, I'm gonna go shower and get ready for work. Hoping to see some substance from you when I come back, instead of trying to downplay my accusations with no reasoning nor defense :)

[Anaconda]

The one who you quoted and stated why he's shitty and so it's me, pika pika. I did not realise Whad was at L-1 because I wasn't the one who voted him. And I did not claim TPR. PIKa PiKa doesnt claim TPRS!!!!!

[Naughty Canadians]

Cryptonic I wouldn't think #1 is a good reason to lynch anyone, because anyone can claim TPR. But your also trying to lynch a TPR and you put the first vote on him. Seems double sided

[Anaconda]

Can you prove me wrong on these 3 points, please? Maybe you can actually earn some town-cred instead of acting like you're entitled to it.

1. I'm pikachu, I didnt claim TPR. It was da FaST kid.
2. Your TPR claiming in my eyes is a troll thing because another one did it too claiming it was what you do. So yeah, if you re TPR why did you claim already???
3. I like OMGUSSS

[Anaconda]

Voting someone who outwardly claims a TPR?? Why would Town want to lynch someone who claims TPR?? Makes 0 sense.

Well its a good thing I didn't vote them for claiming PT then isn't it :P


No, it's not at all.

Yes, it is.


For what reason? What have you done LOL


I got a BW going, I was scum hunting. What else do you want? 10 million dollars?


No one ACTUALLY does this. If someone says they do, they are either retarded or lying for a specific means in a specific setup.


IDK about that, I think I've been in a few that it has actually happened. I guess it depends on where you go.


If Illuminati is around, Mafia is not scum. Encouraging a lynch of Mafia this soon and giving Illuminati complete control of the NK is SO anti-town, you have to be Illuminati. Lying to town saying that it would eliminate the NK is just so wrong... Mafia is part of town if Illuminati is here, and is not scum. Lying Mafia = misslynch is Illuminati is around. You are now officially on my radar.

Yeah, and that's an if that we have no knowledge of until flips or slips. I didn't lie about saying lynching mafia would eliminate the a NK. I was at that post that I didn't know the setup, but right after that I did take a good look at the setup and looked it up and down like a proper anaconda would do. Until we get confirmation that there is in fact an Illuminati I don't see how it is relevant for town to be so selective in who they lynch. Us Town have to take what we can get cuz we kinda get the short end of the stick in this one. Like we have the least amout of info to work with in this game.. by a large margin.


I would have to agree with this. "Lynch scum" is so overly simplified, and then groups possible allies as scum? We need to lynch people working against the best interest of town, or who are overtly lying for 0 means. I also agree that he seems to think he's so pro-town and says everyone should have a town read, but then his perception of the setup and votes are completely opposite with town's best interests.

Hey, if you have a plan to decipher if there is an illuminati day one I'm all ears. So go ahead and list you methods and we'll see.


Mafia CAN be a misslynch. Although you do raise a good point FINALLY. That Mafia should focus on Illuminati-like Town members, and Town should focus on anybody who is working against town's best interest.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but how the hell are we suppose to know if there is an Illuminati unless there is a claim of such or one is caught dead?


Saying the person who is giving themselves Town read already? WHY DO YOU CONTRADICT SO MUCH. Please say it's one Archon saying some shit and the other completely Contradicting. Because your slot is complete bullshit.

Its in my nature to contradict myself.


This is exactly what I was saying above. One or both of the counterparts are super scummy. It's just such a bad vibe. And it's easy to get a read on someone who is spamming the thread like this. I agree that we should get a roleclaim from Anaconda today. If he's so "pro-town", then I say let him prove it tbh.


We call this role fishing where I come from.


How have you been pro town? You've contradicted yourself three times so far, and that's only what I noticed. There could be more times. If it's in town's best interest that you live, then maybe you shouldn't be so scummy and controlling the lynch and voting people claiming TPR lol. That's not something that someone who is at risk of dying at night would do. You have to see how your actions make no sense.

I've been scum hunting. If you can't see that you are blind and need glasses.


Yep, trying drastically to rebuild the "image" they're trying to put on this game to try to make us think he's our Ally.

I don't even know what this means..

[Anaconda]

Can you prove me wrong on these 3 points, please? Maybe you can actually earn some town-cred instead of acting like you're entitled to it.

1) Its WIFOM that anyone can do.
2) Voting someone doesn't mean you are trying to "out" anything.
3) I had nothing to do with that, but the OMGUS was because my teammate thought it was a shitty vote.

[Cryptonic]

Cryptonic I wouldn't think #1 is a good reason to lynch anyone, because anyone can claim TPR. But your also trying to lynch a TPR and you put the first vote on him. Seems double sided

No, it's not a good reason. That's why I'm wondering why he voted Empathy after they claimed TPR, and why he claimed me after claiming TPR.

My vote has a reason, that he contradicts himself twice in first 2 posts. His reason is "omg claiming TPR, just like I did, is scummy".
Please explain how my reasoning is worse than his.

[Cryptonic]

1. I'm pikachu, I didnt claim TPR. It was da FaST kid.
2. Your TPR claiming in my eyes is a troll thing because another one did it too claiming it was what you do. So yeah, if you re TPR why did you claim already???
3. I like OMGUSSS

Yep, ignoring true posts, downplaying accusations.
That's not something scum would do to try to get the pressure off.

[Anaconda]

Nope, really not lol.
Calling someone I think is scum as scum.
I think you're scum because you an insincere and contradict yourself, while demanding town-cred for no reason. Seems very scum-like to me.

It's this simple: I think you're scum = I push lynch on you

How do you play Mafia? lol

I think its shortsighted.

[Cryptonic]

Well its a good thing I didn't vote them for claiming PT then isn't it :P

Guess so?


Yes, it is.

Explain your reasoning. How is it suspicious to do what he did?


I got a BW going, I was scum hunting. What else do you want? 10 million dollars?

Please link to post where you legitimately were scum hunting lmao. I'd like to see these posts. All you're doing is going "That's suspicious" over and over.


Yeah, and that's an if that we have no knowledge of until flips or slips. I didn't lie about saying lynching mafia would eliminate the a NK. I was at that post that I didn't know the setup, but right after that I did take a good look at the setup and looked it up and down like a proper anaconda would do. Until we get confirmation that there is in fact an Illuminati I don't see how it is relevant for town to be so selective in who they lynch. Us Town have to take what we can get cuz we kinda get the short end of the stick in this one. Like we have the least amout of info to work with in this game.. by a large margin.

Then maybe you should read the setup before trying to place yourself as Town Leader???


Hey, if you have a plan to decipher if there is an illuminati day one I'm all ears. So go ahead and list you methods and we'll see.

??? Are you serious? Why do you think I've been trying to gain people's perspective on what we should do in the game. Once we see how everyone sees the game, we can confirm if any player's are acting like there is is 100% Illuminati or 100% not Illuminati. Either of these situations confirm that the player likely has extra knowledge in how they are perceiving the setup. Which I explained is exactly what you're doing when you're saying that we should lynch Mafia, no big deal. But the possibility of 2x misslynch + handing NK to Illuminati is the most pro-Illuminati perception I've seen this game; That is why people should be voting you.


I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but how the hell are we suppose to know if there is an Illuminati unless there is a claim of such or one is caught dead?

So you'd rather playing under the assumption that there is no Illuminati, and play this game regularly? See the above! You're acting like Illuminati isn't a force we need to be worried about, and no Town member in their right mind would act that way.


Its in my nature to contradict myself.

Contradictions and Insincerity are the most basic forms of all scum tells.


We call this role fishing where I come from.

Where I come from, it's called pressuring someone who is scummy, continually doesn't have towns best interest in mind, leaves someone at L-1 for hours when they don't agree with the lynch, constantly contradicts themselves, trolls when under pressure instead of answer questions, and tries to shut down scum hunting by downplaying the player instead of the using logical arguments.


I've been scum hunting. If you can't see that you are blind and need glasses.

Then be my glasses! By all means, show us some of this spot-on scum hunting you've been doing all game! I've taken a gander, and I couldn't find anything I'd call scumhunting.


I don't even know what this means..

It means that you're putting on a fake front, an image of yourself. That is why you contradict yourself, because it goes against your actual personality. You are failing to keep the image when playing. Then, when questioned about it, you jump right back to this image to make people believe that it's the norm, but we see it as panic and desperation.

[Cryptonic]

I think its shortsighted.

Please explain how your trains and pushes have been longsighted.

[Cryptonic]

Also, can you guys start signing your posts, like what was asked.

We are going to have a hard time achieving solid reads on Archons unless we know who is who. Not signing your posts is basically anti-town, as it prevents getting reads. If you're Town, you want us having accurate reads.

[Cryptonic]

Well im gonna abstain from posting for a little while, or try to, and wait for others to chime in.

[Whad]

Sorry I don't have time to respond to everything right now and I'm seeing a midnight movie tonight so it's unlikely I'll have much time until about 24 hours from now.

Cryptonic
I think Anaconda is unlikely to be Illuminati despite pushing a pro-illuminati agenda (i.e. wanting to lynch mafia) because if he was illuminati I'm pretty sure he would have read his win condition and the win condition of the non-illuminati.

[Anaconda]

Guess so?

Sure!


Explain your reasoning. How is it suspicious to do what he did?

Its tricky. Scum do tricky things.


Please link to post where you legitimately were scum hunting lmao. I'd like to see these posts. All you're doing is going "That's suspicious" over and over.


I asked the newb to explain his thought process, does that count?


Then maybe you should read the setup before trying to place yourself as Town Leader???


Meh... Bleh.


??? Are you serious? Why do you think I've been trying to gain people's perspective on what we should do in the game. Once we see how everyone sees the game, we can confirm if any player's are acting like there is is 100% Illuminati or 100% not Illuminati. Either of these situations confirm that the player likely has extra knowledge in how they are perceiving the setup. Which I explained is exactly what you're doing when you're saying that we should lynch Mafia, no big deal. But the possibility of 2x misslynch + handing NK to Illuminati is the most pro-Illuminati perception I've seen this game; That is why people should be voting you.

Oh right, cuz getting a consensus like that always works in a game of deception and partial information.


So you'd rather playing under the assumption that there is no Illuminati, and play this game regularly? See the above! You're acting like Illuminati isn't a force we need to be worried about, and no Town member in their right mind would act that way.


you are slightly mis-repping me here. The way I see it is that Town hasn't a fucking clue if there a Illuminati or not. Mafia can barely figure that shit out. Read the fucking description of this game. Here I'll quote it:



July 4th, 1982


In a small town in Maryland, the mafia were on the rise. It seems like every July 4th, another town near the nation's capital was under assault. Was it again the work of a secret Illuminati?

Where in this does it indicate that the fucking powerless citizens of this miserable town even have the foggiest idea that there is an Illuminati there?


Contradictions and Insincerity are the most basic forms of all scum tells.


Not in my experience.


Where I come from, it's called pressuring someone who is scummy, continually doesn't have towns best interest in mind, leaves someone at L-1 for hours when they don't agree with the lynch, constantly contradicts themselves, trolls when under pressure instead of answer questions, and tries to shut down scum hunting by downplaying the player instead of the using logical arguments.

Like are you for serious right now? I was the first person to vote Whad and you haven't even batted an eye at them yet. You are getting close to tunneling me for poor reasons pretty soon.. You are the one slowing down scum hunting by forcing me to answer all this shit.


Then be my glasses! By all means, show us some of this spot-on scum hunting you've been doing all game! I've taken a gander, and I couldn't find anything I'd call scumhunting.

did you see where I asked the newb if he could explain his thought process? Getting a newb to spill their guts all over the pavement on a hot summer day can do a lot for the town.


It means that you're putting on a fake front, an image of yourself. That is why you contradict yourself, because it goes against your actual personality. You are failing to keep the image when playing. Then, when questioned about it, you jump right back to this image to make people believe that it's the norm, but we see it as panic and desperation.

Think that if you want. That shit's not even game related tho. You don't know me man, so stop acting like you have this idea that anyone who looks like they are inconsistent HAS to be a fake person. That's just a cheap shot IMO.

[Anaconda]

Please explain how your trains and pushes have been longsighted.

I'm trying to lynch scum. If we lynch scum and we get lucky, we hit the illuminati if there is one.

[Unknown1234]

Sorry I don't have time to respond to everything right now and I'm seeing a midnight movie tonight so it's unlikely I'll have much time until about 24 hours from now.

Cryptonic
I think Anaconda is unlikely to be Illuminati despite pushing a pro-illuminati agenda (i.e. wanting to lynch mafia) because if he was illuminati I'm pretty sure he would have read his win condition and the win condition of the non-illuminati.

I don't think I would be starting to call out who isn't or is Illuminati seeing as we don't really know if there is one. Also, if you don't think he is Illuminati how about Mafia? I'm not really seeing your side of things

-Unknown

[Unknown1234]

No, it's not a good reason. That's why I'm wondering why he voted Empathy after they claimed TPR, and why he claimed me after claiming TPR.

My vote has a reason, that he contradicts himself twice in first 2 posts. His reason is "omg claiming TPR, just like I did, is scummy".
Please explain how my reasoning is worse than his.

But see that's the thing. I didn't say your reasoning was worse, that is not at all what I said. I'm trying to say that I don't feel convinced enough to vote Up Anaconda. I also don't feel any good argument against you which is why I am not voting you either.

[Naughty Canadians]

Sorry, this won't happen again.

[Cryptonic]

I'm trying to lynch scum. If we lynch scum and we get lucky, we hit the illuminati if there is one.

And so me trying to lynch scum is shortsighted, but long sighted when you do it what

[Anaconda]

And so me trying to lynch scum is shortsighted, but long sighted when you do it what

I think you are mixing things up a bit. Either on purpose or not I can't tell.

I will say that if you are trying to lynch Illuminati right off the bat (if that is your direct intention) is a plan that can fail anywhere along the chain, which would leave us in a worse position as Town. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth when I say that, but I just don't think it is realistic to think town can tell if there is Illuminati the first day. It is Heuristics. Lynch anything that looks cockeyed.

[Cryptonic]

Oh right, cuz getting a consensus like that always works in a game of deception and partial information.

What are you even trying to say... I'm trying to get a consensus by putting out my arguments logically, and you just basically ignore them like we're supposed to know you're 100% town when you've given us nothing to work with.


I asked the newb to explain his thought process, does that count?

Not at all. Kovath's argument is spot on here, that you're choosing the person who would literally be the easiest mislynch. How is that pro-town? Glad to see you're agreeing that you're not actually scum hunting though, even though you've said over and over that you're scum hunting. You should really not call people newbs if you're going to play this way.



Meh... Bleh.

Probably the most Town thing you've said all game.


you are slightly mis-repping me here. The way I see it is that Town hasn't a fucking clue if there a Illuminati or not. Mafia can barely figure that shit out. Read the fucking description of this game. Here I'll quote it:
Where in this does it indicate that the fucking powerless citizens of this miserable town even have the foggiest idea that there is an Illuminati there?

So? What does that have to do with anything? You are acting like Illuminati does not exist, that is not a misrepresentation. There is no reason we should play with that persecption on the game.


Like are you for serious right now? I was the first person to vote Whad and you haven't even batted an eye at them yet. You are getting close to tunneling me for poor reasons pretty soon.. You are the one slowing down scum hunting by forcing me to answer all this shit.

Because Whad isn't being very scummy. He's not tripping over himself every post he makes while claiming he's town and Scumhunting (when he self admitted he hasn't scum hunted). I am not slowing down scum hunting, I AM scum hunting. I am pressuring you because I believe you to be scum. How is that an argument at all???


did you see where I asked the newb if he could explain his thought process? Getting a newb to spill their guts all over the pavement on a hot summer day can do a lot for the town.

Yes, good job. The one single event of scum hunting you've done is ask a newb a single vague, open-ended question. Why have I doubted your pro-Town stance! I must've been a fool!!


Think that if you want. That shit's not even game related tho. You don't know me man, so stop acting like you have this idea that anyone who looks like they are inconsistent HAS to be a fake person. That's just a cheap shot IMO.

Lol? I'm not saying I know you. I'm saying you act one way, which seems super fake. Then, you act a little different and it contradicts your previous attitude. Then, when someone calls you out, you get defensive and jump right back to have you were before. It's just not legitimate. This isn't a cheap shot, it's analyzing your attitude to try to determine what you are trying to convince of us. And it's faulty.

[Anaconda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT4Y2JleWrQ

[Cryptonic]

I think you are mixing things up a bit. Either on purpose or not I can't tell.

I will say that if you are trying to lynch Illuminati right off the bat (if that is your direct intention) is a plan that can fail anywhere along the chain, which would leave us in a worse position as Town. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth when I say that, but I just don't think it is realistic to think town can tell if there is Illuminati the first day. It is Heuristics. Lynch anything that looks cockeyed.

Where is the logic in that?
You could say the exact same thing about trying to lynch Mafia right off the bat....

[Cryptonic]

Also, start signing your posts

[Cryptonic]

I don't think I would be starting to call out who isn't or is Illuminati seeing as we don't really know if there is one. Also, if you don't think he is Illuminati how about Mafia? I'm not really seeing your side of things

-Unknown

We are looking for General Scum. People who are trying to mislead or do not have town's best interest at heart. Illuminati will be easier to catch on D1 than a Mafia, as the Illuminati have a different perspective of the setup (because they know they exist).

If we get people actually talking, we will be able to pin point if anyone's perspective is different than the groups. If not, then we can start looking at the people in the group who are just copying what other's are saying as a method to blend in. That is how day 1 should go.

[Anaconda]

Cryptonic, you're playing asumming we're only 1 player and not 2. Also, if you want to difference between Quick and me, I will say Pika Pika in every ppst, as I've been doing.

Pika PIKa

[Cryptonic]

But see that's the thing. I didn't say your reasoning was worse, that is not at all what I said. I'm trying to say that I don't feel convinced enough to vote Up Anaconda. I also don't feel any good argument against you which is why I am not voting you either.

No, but you jumped on his train and voted Whad with him. So, obviously you agree with him in some regard. Yet I don't see you shutting him down when he talks like you did to me with your post. It seems like there is an underlying connection that I think would be nice to explore.

What are you reads on Anaconda and his behavior, contradictions, ect?

[Cryptonic]

Cryptonic, you're playing asumming we're only 1 player and not 2. Also, if you want to difference between Quick and me, I will say Pika Pika in every ppst, as I've been doing.

Pika PIKa

Yes, but there is a completely different posting style that I can tell a majority of the posts apart. You post most of the nonsense, he posts the rest that I'm getting all the reads off of.

You also can't use this as an excuse, but they posts that I'm quoting... he does NOT counter it by saying you made them. He defends it by saying he contradicts himself a lot. So, he's admitting that he was doing that action.

But, now, you're saying that you're two people and that's the reason for the inconsistency? Which one is it? Why do you both have a different explanation?

[Anaconda]

Yes, but there is a completely different posting style that I can tell a majority of the posts apart. You post most of the nonsense, he posts the rest that I'm getting all the reads off of.

You also can't use this as an excuse, but they posts that I'm quoting... he does NOT counter it by saying you made them. He defends it by saying he contradicts himself a lot. So, he's admitting that he was doing that action.

But, now, you're saying that you're two people and that's the reason for the inconsistency? Which one is it? Why do you both have a different explanation?

Then it is a fussion of both. But I think he said that because that's the most usual reason while the one that can be applied to this is that we're 2 people.

Pika Pika huu

[Cryptonic]

But you have to see that now it's not just the Single User who is contradicting himself, it's now the entire slot. You contradict him and vice-versa.

Do people really not see how this is getting worse and worse...? lol
Quickly losing hope with how this game will go lol

[Anaconda]

What are you even trying to say... I'm trying to get a consensus by putting out my arguments logically, and you just basically ignore them like we're supposed to know you're 100% town when you've given us nothing to work with.

That is fair I guess. I don't have much experience on this site and I can't expect people to know just how God awful my scum game is. I mean, A for effort on thinking you can figure everything out day 1, but I find that unrealistic.


Not at all. Kovath's argument is spot on here, that you're choosing the person who would literally be the easiest mislynch. How is that pro-town? Glad to see you're agreeing that you're not actually scum hunting though, even though you've said over and over that you're scum hunting. You should really not call people newbs if you're going to play this way.


People that are new to the game are the easiest to read, not the hardest. Its the same concept as when you play poker; if you can't beat the fish, stay out of the shark tank.


Probably the most Town thing you've said all game.

:rolleyes:


So? What does that have to do with anything? You are acting like Illuminati does not exist, that is not a misrepresentation. There is no reason we should play with that persecption on the game.

No, I am being realistic as to what Town can expect to do today. I think I'm not alone in having the idea that in a game of mafia and 3p you lynch both. Now I know you don't share this perspective and that is just something we are going to disagree on. You still have yet to explain how exactly you think you can find out if there is Illuminati today. So far from what you've said it doesn't make this game look any different than any other game (saying everyone shares what they know about the setup to see who knows more than others) and on that realization I agree. Where I differ is I just don't think Town will be able to tell the mafia and Illuminati apart. Town has a clusterfuck of information to deal with and a normal mafia game is hard enough without having to worry about reads being accurate. Throw in a 2X3 layered game and, yeah...


Because Whad isn't being very scummy. He's not tripping over himself every post he makes while claiming he's town and Scumhunting (when he self admitted he hasn't scum hunted). I am not slowing down scum hunting, I AM scum hunting. I am pressuring you because I believe you to be scum. How is that an argument at all???

feel free to ISO me and count all the questions I have asked people and/or demanded and answer. I don't just ask those questions for my health you know.


Yes, good job. The one single event of scum hunting you've done is ask a newb a single vague, open-ended question. Why have I doubted your pro-Town stance! I must've been a fool!!

I'd be careful with this one if I was you.


Lol? I'm not saying I know you. I'm saying you act one way, which seems super fake. Then, you act a little different and it contradicts your previous attitude. Then, when someone calls you out, you get defensive and jump right back to have you were before. It's just not legitimate. This isn't a cheap shot, it's analyzing your attitude to try to determine what you are trying to convince of us. And it's faulty.

K, well this isn't game related, but fake how? If you mean to say my behavior doesn't follow the norm, congrats, you win first place in identifying that I am not really that simple of a person to figure out.

[Anaconda]

Where is the logic in that?
You could say the exact same thing about trying to lynch Mafia right off the bat....

The closer we get to lynching mafia, the closer mafia get to finding Illuminati. It is that simple.

Don't even bother asking me how or why I think this, I just know its true. the minnow eat the algae and the turtle eats the minnow, that's how this setup works.

I'm not even going to try and explain my logic because at this point in my mafia career I know either you understand me or you don't.

[Anaconda]

But you have to see that now it's not just the Single User who is contradicting himself, it's now the entire slot. You contradict him and vice-versa.

Do people really not see how this is getting worse and worse...? lol
Quickly losing hope with how this game will go lol

You think that because you think so literally and straightforward.

[Cryptonic]

That is fair I guess. I don't have much experience on this site and I can't expect people to know just how God awful my scum game is. I mean, A for effort on thinking you can figure everything out day 1, but I find that unrealistic.

I'm not saying I'm figuring everything out d1, though. Stop putting words in my mouth. You pressured someone you thought was scummy, right? Was that you figuring everything out day one? No, of course not. I am pressuring someone I think is scummy, and I think it deserves just as much respect as yours. So, don't play it out like I'm stupid for playing the game how it's meant to be played.


People that are new to the game are the easiest to read, not the hardest. Its the same concept as when you play poker; if you can't beat the fish, stay out of the shark tank.

Yes, easiest to read. Also, easiest to place a fake read on and have them unable to defend themselves.


:rolleyes:

How is it not? It's literally the only thing I've read that you posted that sounded sincere.


No, I am being realistic as to what Town can expect to do today. I think I'm not alone in having the idea that in a game of mafia and 3p you lynch both. Now I know you don't share this perspective and that is just something we are going to disagree on. You still have yet to explain how exactly you think you can find out if there is Illuminati today. So far from what you've said it doesn't make this game look any different than any other game (saying everyone shares what they know about the setup to see who knows more than others) and on that realization I agree. Where I differ is I just don't think Town will be able to tell the mafia and Illuminati apart. Town has a clusterfuck of information to deal with and a normal mafia game is hard enough without having to worry about reads being accurate. Throw in a 2X3 layered game and, yeah...

Actually, I have explained like 3-4 times how we can find Illuminati today, if they exist. So, please go on and read the thread before making more accusations without basis. Mafia and Illuminati can be told apart, but only on day 1. Because after Night 1, it's possible for Mafia to know Illuminati exists (death or NK redirection). So, today is the best day to get reads on how people think we should play this game out. Because they will be the most honest reads as everyone has the same information (except for a possible 2 people, if Illuminati exist). I hope you now see how we can find Illuminati today.


feel free to ISO me and count all the questions I have asked people and/or demanded and answer. I don't just ask those questions for my health you know.

I didn't see any legitimate scum hunting. ISO is fucking retarded and can easily be taken out of context. Doing ISO is literally the worst way to get a positive read on someone.


I'd be careful with this one if I was you.

Oh nice, getting THREATS now for pressuring someone. If that's an honest soft claim, then you definitely should not be Town Leader. Jesus, why would you want attention if you're a role that can Threaten? Don't buy it, so I'll keep pressuring you until I'm satisfied with your responses.


K, well this isn't game related, but fake how? If you mean to say my behavior doesn't follow the norm, congrats, you win first place in identifying that I am not really that simple of a person to figure out.

No, it is 100% game related, how is it not?
If all of a sudden, I stopped voting you, stop pressuring, stopped asking questions and became passive, would you not find that odd? If you questioned me on my behavior, and I suddenly went back to being aggressive, would you not think that is scummy?
Stop taking shit so personally.
It's fake because it flipflops back and forth. You try to make us believe one thing, then you stop once you think you're successful. You're playing this game to mislead. If you're town, that's a fantastic way to get mislynched @ MYLO.

[Cryptonic]

The closer we get to lynching mafia, the closer mafia get to finding Illuminati. It is that simple.

Don't even bother asking me how or why I think this, I just know its true. the minnow eat the algae and the turtle eats the minnow, that's how this setup works.

I'm not even going to try and explain my logic because at this point in my mafia career I know either you understand me or you don't.

Yes, Obviously Mafia's biggest concern is Illuminati-like Town Members. No one is arguing that.
But if we use d1 to try to confirm the existence of Illuminati, then we will be more successful.

Want to know what happens if we Lynch Mafia and Mafia believes there is no Illuminati? He goes for the most active, most pro-town TPRs. Because if he focuses on Illuminati, Mafia will have no chance of winning if there is no Illuminati. They will focus on strong town players.

Please think

[Naughty Canadians]

I do not like his thought process at all. If Anaconda is town, his arguments are very lacking . Our vote was on Whad because MESK provided an argument towards him and I agreed with it.

In a bit I will do a full comparison between Anaconda and Whad and see who I would vote gor

[Anaconda]

OK, Cryptonic,

This might clear some things up, maybe.. hopefully.

It was not my idea to vote for you, I would have kept it where it was. Gurl voted you because they like pressure being put on them when they are Town IIRC. Gurl said right away they thought you sus, but I didn't see it, I have you as Null. Gyrl voted you because 1) they didn't like that Whad was L-1 and 2) they thought you were Sus. I actually didn't move it back because I was trying to eliminate confusion. I am not a pathological liar, though I do have a pretty inconsistent personality. We didn't talk about voting you Gyrl just did it. I hope to improve our communication at some point.

[Naughty Canadians]

Moo.

unvote

[Cryptonic]

OK, Cryptonic,

This might clear some things up, maybe.. hopefully.

It was not my idea to vote for you, I would have kept it where it was. Gurl voted you because they like pressure being put on them when they are Town IIRC. Gurl said right away they thought you sus, but I didn't see it, I have you as Null. Gyrl voted you because 1) they didn't like that Whad was L-1 and 2) they thought you were Sus. I actually didn't move it back because I was trying to eliminate confusion. I am not a pathological liar, though I do have a pretty inconsistent personality. We didn't talk about voting you Gyrl just did it. I hope to improve our communication at some point.


Thank you for calmly and logically explaining yourself and your situation. It's highly appreciated. With a post like this, I am willing to unvote you for the day (barring future scum reads). You should definitely communicate more because you shouldn't have to defend his actions. It's highly scum-telling. I can let go of this train for now if you can try to improve the synergy moving forward. Like, answering questions fulling, explaining logic where applicable, ect. But this is a Town-like reaction to the pressure, so thanks for that.

If you weren't on an Archon, this vote would not be moving. Just saying.



I'll take another read thru the thread and see if I can pick up on anybody else.

[Anaconda]

Yes, Obviously Mafia's biggest concern is Illuminati-like Town Members. No one is arguing that.
But if we use d1 to try to confirm the existence of Illuminati, then we will be more successful.

That is an overly corporate way at looking at this game. I don't think it works like that.. at all. Progress not perfection only works if you can make tangible progress. If its just "oh, well we put effort into this so now we have progress" I don't think that actually works.


Want to know what happens if we Lynch Mafia and Mafia believes there is no Illuminati? He goes for the most active, most pro-town TPRs. Because if he focuses on Illuminati, Mafia will have no chance of winning if there is no Illuminati. They will focus on strong town players.

Please think

Why? Why would Mafia assume there is no Illuminati? That, to me, makes zero sense. I do get what you are trying to say tho - that Town needs to worry about a bigger badder threat as well - but unless we can get a solid Town block today, then I don't see that happening. So that would be my answer, get a solid town block. Can you work with me on that?

[Cryptonic]

Gonna place a vote here for initial pressure, will come back with some questions

Empathy17

[Anaconda]

If Quick doesnt agree with our actual vote, then it shouldn't be there.

[Cryptonic]

Why? Why would Mafia assume there is no Illuminati? That, to me, makes zero sense. I do get what you are trying to say tho - that Town needs to worry about a bigger badder threat as well - but unless we can get a solid Town block today, then I don't see that happening. So that would be my answer, get a solid town block. Can you work with me on that?

Yes, I can explain, but I didn't really want to have to explain verbatim as it will hurt us when Mafia reads it & we lynch Mafia.

So, if a Mafia is lynched today, the last Mafia would know they're in 2 situations.

Either they're in a tiny minority of 1v7, or they're in the majority in a 2v6.
If they're in the 2v6, they can be comfortable and try to use the Mafia NK to hunt people they think are Illuminati. AKA, people they think are scummy, people who are inactive.

But, if it's a 1v7 and they just used the Mafia NK to kill a scummy person, then that is one less person they will be able to push a misslynch on. So, it would hurt him. Alternatively, if they killed someone who was Inactive, this leaves only Active people in the game and makes it hard to survive a day as there is more pressure being directed at them and it would be easier to slip.

Therefore, it would be in the Mafia's best interest to kill strong town players incase it is a 1v7, because that gives the Mafia faction the best chance of winning.

[Cryptonic]

OK gonna put some solid work in, be back later

[Anaconda]

If Quick doesnt agree with our actual vote, then it shouldn't be there.



I suggest that from now on, we talk about where we put our vote unless we have fucking damn good reason, which will be explained to the other later.

[Anaconda]

Yes, I can explain, but I didn't really want to have to explain verbatim as it will hurt us when Mafia reads it & we lynch Mafia.

So, if a Mafia is lynched today, the last Mafia would know they're in 2 situations.

Either they're in a tiny minority of 1v7, or they're in the majority in a 2v6.
If they're in the 2v6, they can be comfortable and try to use the Mafia NK to hunt people they think are Illuminati. AKA, people they think are scummy, people who are inactive.

But, if it's a 1v7 and they just used the Mafia NK to kill a scummy person, then that is one less person they will be able to push a misslynch on. So, it would hurt him. Alternatively, if they killed someone who was Inactive, this leaves only Active people in the game and makes it hard to survive a day as there is more pressure being directed at them and it would be easier to slip.

Therefore, it would be in the Mafia's best interest to kill strong town players incase it is a 1v7, because that gives the Mafia faction the best chance of winning.

OK I see what your saying.

[Kovath]

Really liking the strong logic Cryptonic's argumentation is founded on, the thought he's put into the strategy for the setup, and his move to shift pressure onto other players instead of tunneling Anaconda all day (something I think would be honestly deserved). Reading strong pro-town motivations from this slot.

Taking a little leap from Cryptonic's vote, we should definitely use day 1 to pin down the hydras / archons (which term do I freaking use?) Making them establish clear and defined positions right now prevents them from shifting positions in later claims with vague claims of dissonance, grounding them in a certain playstyle that makes it far easier to read interactions and motivations.

Also, I'd point out the fact that even if we kill an Illuminati, we won't know it because of their ability to assume a role. So we could easily lynch one and end up thinking we've mislynched. Only mafia has the ability to confirm Illuminati presence.

[Anaconda]

Really liking the strong logic Cryptonic's argumentation is founded on, the thought he's put into the strategy for the setup, and his move to shift pressure onto other players instead of tunneling Anaconda all day (something I think would be honestly deserved). Reading strong pro-town motivations from this slot.

Taking a little leap from Cryptonic's vote, we should definitely use day 1 to pin down the hydras / archons (which term do I freaking use?) Making them establish clear and defined positions right now prevents them from shifting positions in later claims with vague claims of dissonance, grounding them in a certain playstyle that makes it far easier to read interactions and motivations.

Also, I'd point out the fact that even if we kill an Illuminati, we won't know it because of their ability to assume a role. So we could easily lynch one and end up thinking we've mislynched. Only mafia has the ability to confirm Illuminati presence.

Only if they pick a role. Don't know how that is determined currently.

[Kovath]

Only if they pick a role. Don't know how that is determined currently.


At any time, you may
select
a
Town
/
Mafia
role as your
assumed role
.
You will appear as this role to all investigative roles and upon death.

[Kovath]

Woah, the formatting really got borked there when I copy pasted that. The point stands though. I assume they just need to PM Matt and it happens.

[Empathy17]

Gonna place a vote here for initial pressure, will come back with some questions

Empathy17

i wait for your questions and your clarification for contradicting your own stuff with your vote

[Cryptonic]

i wait for your questions and your clarification for contradicting your own stuff with your vote

What did I contradict?

[Anaconda]

At any time, you may
select
a
Town
/
Mafia
role as your
assumed role
.
You will appear as this role to all investigative roles and upon death.

I would really like to hear the Host/Mod of this game to answer.

[Anaconda]

Woah, the formatting really got borked there when I copy pasted that. The point stands though. I assume they just need to PM Matt and it happens.

That is not what I mean. I mean, does it have to be a copied role (that is actually in the game) or not?

[Kovath]

That is not what I mean. I mean, does it have to be a copied role (that is actually in the game) or not?

A role from the roles list.

[Anaconda]

A role from the roles list.

How do you know that?

[Kovath]

How do you know that?

If you want to wait for host confirmation, sure thing.

It's just that the way I read the role cards, that's what seems to be the obvious and only possible way to read it. Besides, it'd be a pretty big tell if a mayor randomly appeared in this game when there isn't a role card for it... or if the Grand Wizard could just ping around and figure out what roles weren't in the game.

[Anaconda]

If you want to wait for host confirmation, sure thing.

It's just that the way I read the role cards, that's what seems to be the obvious and only possible way to read it. Besides, it'd be a pretty big tell if a mayor randomly appeared in this game when there isn't a role card for it... or if the Grand Wizard could just ping around and figure out what roles weren't in the game.

The way I see it being balanced is that the Illuminati has to by some means know a role exists in the game before they can copy that role. Along this same line of thinking, does Illuminati need to know who is the target of the NK to change it?

[Cryptonic]

I think they can look like any role on the role list.

[Empathy17]

Hi all, I'm here. Sorry for missing the party but I've been sick the past few days and ika is out of town, working long hours. I'll try to contribute as much as I can, but it will probably be spotty for the next day or two.

Also, can archons please sign their posts? I'm starting to read through the thread to catch up and it's just a clusterfuck to be able to get a read on an archon if I don't know who is talking.

I always sign mine. If it isn't signed, then it's ika.

~SW

[Empathy17]

Also, while I'm here catching up, if anyone has any questions, fire away.

~SW

[Anaconda]

Also, while I'm here catching up, if anyone has any questions, fire away.

~SW

Reads.. Please.

[Empathy17]

Err.. this looks weird and unnatural.

Empathy17

You want to explain what is weird and unatural about ika doing something you did yourself in your very first post? Sorry if this has already been addressed but I'm just catching up from the beginning and pointing out anything that looks interesting to me.

~SW

[Empathy17]

Reads.. Please.

Sure, as soon as I catch up I'll give you some.

~SW

[Anaconda]

Sure, as soon as I catch up I'll give you some.

~SW

On everyone who has posted.

[Empathy17]

Then its even more sus.

Why? At this point in the game there was quite a bit of trolling. Whether or not ika was trolling or WIFOMing it, I'm not sure what was sus about it. I'd like your thought process so I can start getting a read on you.

~SW

[Empathy17]

On everyone who has posted.

OK

~SW

[Anaconda]

Why? At this point in the game there was quite a bit of trolling. Whether or not ika was trolling or WIFOMing it, I'm not sure what was sus about it. I'd like your thought process so I can start getting a read on you.

~SW

I explain it in the thread. Look closely for it. This will ensure your reads aren't garbage.

[Empathy17]

Wrong. I wasn't stating things that were "already apparent". As evidence of this information being not "already apparent" is you being totally uninformed about who is classed as scum in setups A and B.

I think you clear them of being illuminati way too quickly. Any scum can easily fake ignorance of the setup to look town. I'm not really liking how you so far have done nothing but talk about the setup. You are a slight scumread at this point.

~SW

[Anaconda]

I think you clear them of being illuminati way too quickly. Any scum can easily fake ignorance of the setup to look town. I'm not really liking how you so far have done nothing but talk about the setup. You are a slight scumread at this point.

~SW

Reads list please. I have an Unvote and I'm not afraid to use it.

[Empathy17]

@Anaconda (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=28406)

Look. This honestly just feels like TvT to me. I love the questions you are asking of people (me!) and all; I just want to direct this towards something more productive.

Wow really, you've done nothing this game but setup spec and get into a small discussion with Anaconda and suddenly declare it's TvT? What? I think you are likely scum in this game but I'll finish reading before voting for you just to see what else I can find.

~SW

[Empathy17]

Reads list please. I have an Unvote and I'm not afraid to use it.

I'm reading and on page 6. I'm scumreading Whad at this point in the game. That's the best you are gonna get out of me until I get caught up. Threatening me with a vote doesn't make me read faster. In fact, that's a lot less likely to get me to do anything. You can either wait for reads or vote for me. It's up to you. When I asked for questions, I was looking for interactions to help get my foot in the game. Not demands that I can't meet yet.

~SW

[Empathy17]

It is not your vote for me that made me suspicious it is the fact that you are the only person in this thread who felt the need to put as much thought into there being illuminati as you did. You are also the first person to bring it up if I am not mistaken. Although you never sspecifically stated whether you beleive there to be illuminati prescence or not your actions speak louder than your words and the sheer amount of effort you put into the possibility of illuminati in game suggest you know something I do not. That alone is enough reason to attract my attention and raise my suspicion. You also seem a tad bit defensive and it only solidifies my suspicions. I have no opinion on Naughty Canadian thusfar because he/she has not said enough for me to work with. As for Rintarou he has not done enough for me to confidently cast a vote against gim and as you have so kindly explained illuminati should be prioritzed over mafia so if infact Rintarou is mafia I would still vote for you due to simple logic. My vote is obviously not casr in stone but so far I believe you to be the most suspicous character on this thread.

I like this post by Eggy. Unless I see something I really dislike in the next few pages, he feels very much like a newbtown player.

~SW

[Anaconda]

I'm reading and on page 6. I'm scumreading Whad at this point in the game. That's the best you are gonna get out of me until I get caught up. Threatening me with a vote doesn't make me read faster. In fact, that's a lot less likely to get me to do anything. You can either wait for reads or vote for me. It's up to you. When I asked for questions, I was looking for interactions to help get my foot in the game. Not demands that I can't meet yet.

~SW

Less comments, more reading. Don't want to see you until you've read everything and give a reads list. Its inefficient to do catch up posts as you pick things up. Feel free to multiquote, but I'd like your final conclusion over anything else. As you read a thread your conclusions change so there is no use in doing one post at a time just picking what you like. Just read everything and then give a reads list.

[Empathy17]

I have a townread on Naughty Canadians based on #121. A lot of what was said in that post is exactly what I'm thinking at this point in the game and his suspicion of Whad is right on the money.

~SW

[Empathy17]

Less comments, more reading. Don't want to see you until you've read everything and give a reads list. Its inefficient to do catch up posts as you pick things up. Feel free to multiquote, but I'd like your final conclusion over anything else. As you read a thread your conclusions change so there is no use in doing one post at a time just picking what you like. Just read everything and then give a reads list.

The way I'm doing it helps me generate reads so I will continue to do things the way that they have worked for me in games past. Once I get caught up, then I'll stop doing it this way. You or anyone is welcome to comment on things I've said though.

~SW

[Empathy17]

OK-I think the whole discussion between Cryptonic and Anaconda was TvT. I believe Cryptonic looks slightly better in the beginning for pushing points against Anaconda that make sense and for being aggressive. It definitely gets the game going and pushes discussion.Anaconda answers himself well overall and explains himself well. He also holds up under pressure without faltering or backing down. I think if one of them was scum, that person would've backed down or given weaker responses.

So I don't have a read on Kovath or Rintarou. Everyone else I've given an opinion on so I'll put these two in null and do an ISO of them and see what I can find.

~SW

[Anaconda]

The way I'm doing it helps me generate reads so I will continue to do things the way that they have worked for me in games past. Once I get caught up, then I'll stop doing it this way. You or anyone is welcome to comment on things I've said though.

~SW

Well, I also ask cuz its easy for scum to hide that way. Pretty soon after all those catch up posts you don't have time for questions. I rather you have some questions to answer and stuff to ask about your reads than you just giving your .02 about things along the way.

I guess I'll settle if you put all your reads in one place.. at the end of it all and are open to questions afterwards.

[Empathy17]

Eggy-newbtown

Naughty Canadians, Anaconda, Cryptonic-leaning town

Kovath, Rintarou-null, need to investigate

Whad-scum for doing mostly setup spec and playing what appears to be a very superficial game with not much scumhunting or substance.

~SW

[Empathy17]

Anaconda-I am very open to questions. I'll be around for the next hour or so if you have any.

~SW

[Anaconda]

OK-I think the whole discussion between Cryptonic and Anaconda was TvT. I believe Cryptonic looks slightly better in the beginning for pushing points against Anaconda that make sense and for being aggressive. It definitely gets the game going and pushes discussion.Anaconda answers himself well overall and explains himself well. He also holds up under pressure without faltering or backing down. I think if one of them was scum, that person would've backed down or given weaker responses.

So I don't have a read on Kovath or Rintarou. Everyone else I've given an opinion on so I'll put these two in null and do an ISO of them and see what I can find.

~SW

Congrats! That was the worst reads list of the game! Do you even Mafia?

[Empathy17]

Whad

[Anaconda]

Whad

OK first question: do you know that puts them at L-1?

[Empathy17]

Congrats! That was the worst reads list of the game! Do you even Mafia?

Thanks, do you have anything productive to add about what I've said or just smart ass comments that make me want to sign out right now and wait for someone else to come around?

~SW

[Empathy17]

OK first question: do you know that puts them at L-1?

It puts them at L-2 and even if it put them at L-1 I wouldn't care since Whad is my biggest scum read right now. You obviously can check the vote count as well as I can so you knew this as well. Is there a point to this?

~SW

[Anaconda]

It puts them at L-2 and even if it put them at L-1 I wouldn't care since Whad is my biggest scum read right now. You obviously can check the vote count as well as I can so you knew this as well. Is there a point to this?

~SW

Next question: What have you said that isn't easy to fake as Scum?

[Empathy17]

Also, why aren't archons signing their posts in this game? Is it that fucking hard to do?

~SW

[Empathy17]

Next question: What have you said that isn't easy to fake as Scum?

Then vote for me.

Is anyone else around?

~SW

[Anaconda]

Then vote for me.

Is anyone else around?

~SW

I asked a legit question. Why don't you want to answer it?

[Empathy17]

BTW-If people are rude to me in a game, I will shut off immediately and leave. I don't need to be treated with kid gloves but rudeness, just to be rude is not something I tolerate.

~SW

[Empathy17]

I asked a legit question. Why don't you want to answer it?

You don't like my playstyle. You've made that abundantly clear. Your question served no purpose. You say what I said can be faked by scum. So can a lot of shit in this game. Any good scum player can fake anything. I'm not gonna waste time on that shit.

~SW

[Anaconda]

You don't like my playstyle. You've made that abundantly clear. Your question served no purpose. You say what I said can be faked by scum. So can a lot of shit in this game. Any good scum player can fake anything. I'm not gonna waste time on that shit.

~SW

Its the process I am concerned with. If you don't like my playstyle then I think that this is going to be really hard for me to get a read on you. Did I say I thought all your posts could be faked as scum? No. Do I have a reason for asking the question? Hell yes, I do. Don't go to the park if you don't want to play ball. You have to understand that some people actually take this game very seriously, and if you are playing this game too, you can't fault them for that. So far you've given me little to work with. You haven't said anything new at all and I can't help but think you are just copying the safest responses. Tell me how I can know you are town by the content you have provided.

[Cryptonic]

What did I contradict?

Empathy17 still need answer to that question.

However, other people seem to pressure you enough, I don't see anything to pursue from what you've stated so far.



G4slight what up

[Cryptonic]

Anaconda really stepped his game up, in my opinion.

[Anaconda]

Empathy17 still need answer to that question.

However, other people seem to pressure you enough, I don't see anything to pursue from what you've stated so far.



G4slight what up

I don't like that unvote tbph.

How was what SW did satisfactory?

[Cryptonic]

I don't like that unvote tbph.

How was what SW did satisfactory?

I specifically wanted to see how they would respond to the vote, and an attempt to get them to post more. I wasn't able to be around to have a conversation, but you seem to have asked decent questions. She obviously answered the questions subpar, outright ignoring some and giving vague answers. Nothing about her screams town, but nothing also stands out as a scum tell to me.

To be honest, I'm currently more interested in Rintarou and Kovath. I don't even remember much that Rintarou said, and him voting just because you said was questionable to me. Kovath does post more, but his posts aren't really filled with any pressure on players. I also worry that he is agreeing with me as an attempt not to get my attention by being viewed as favorable by me, so maybe that alone deserves my attention.

[Kovath]

I don't like that unvote tbph.

How was what SW did satisfactory?

I feel like Anaconda was being unnecessarily hardass on Empathy (SilverWolf). People have different playstyles, it's natural. Instead Anaconda was constantly probing and antagonistic in trying to force SW to conform, a move that seems pro-town on the very surface on it... but at the same time, I saw Anaconda provide very little scum motivation for Empathy's playstyle beyond "I also ask cuz its easy for scum to hide that way" and that there won't be time for questions afterward (post #229). It hasn't even been 24 hours in the day, what do you mean there's gonna be no time left? I would say it actually works better for Empathy to provide reads on individual posts along with the overall reads list because it gives us both a broad and specific perspective into Empathy / SW's viewpoint. Town has a lot more to question on and analyze when it has more (and specific, even) content from any slot.

Sure, it looks towny to demand "better" read lists and stuff... but I'm not seeing little towny motivation as it was beyond antagonizing another player, making them less reticent toward interaction, and I also consider the potential scum motivation ascribed by Anaconda to be superficial.

[Cryptonic]

FeelsBadMan :( I swear that was not what I was hoping for!

filler/chat/comformity


People starting to play without knowing their role...

:facepalm:

filler/chat/comformity


When did Cryptonic become a role model?

filler/chat/comformity


Why so eager to summon Eggy?

mild scum hunting, evoking questions. It's a positive sign. However, it could also be seen as an attempt to win over Eggy.


I'm not a fan of this.

Content is good.

Good intention, but none of Kovath's prior posts had an content. Seems like he'd try to stuff content in his posts if he thinks content if this was his believe.


You went for the easy answer of "lynch scum." Duh. That's what town is supposed to do in any game. That's the low-hanging fruit instead of actually considering the issue. Killing mafia is actually suboptimal in Setup B because town wins with them, and killing both will give the Illuminati a night kill which will likely be devastating after the mislynches likely in any game and the mafia doing their own night kills.

I find it disturbing on my end that you decided to scum-ping Whad by going for low-hanging fruit instead of thinking through these things yourself.

I agreed with this post. I had the same feeling, that the "lynch scum" was a way to prevent showing how a player actually saw the game. He is keen on discussing strategy for the setup, which is good because we can decide on a basic strategy that will help us regardless of which setup it is. Better than "Lynch Mafia", or "Lynch Illuminati". We must know that we cannot control the Mafia NK until Illuminati is confirmed. We can't treat this as Setup A, and we can't treat this as Setup B. This game is Setup C, where both games are going on at the same time.


Really liking the strong logic Cryptonic's argumentation is founded on, the thought he's put into the strategy for the setup, and his move to shift pressure onto other players instead of tunneling Anaconda all day (something I think would be honestly deserved). Reading strong pro-town motivations from this slot.

Taking a little leap from Cryptonic's vote, we should definitely use day 1 to pin down the hydras / archons (which term do I freaking use?) Making them establish clear and defined positions right now prevents them from shifting positions in later claims with vague claims of dissonance, grounding them in a certain playstyle that makes it far easier to read interactions and motivations.

Also, I'd point out the fact that even if we kill an Illuminati, we won't know it because of their ability to assume a role. So we could easily lynch one and end up thinking we've mislynched. Only mafia has the ability to confirm Illuminati presence.

Well how can I argue with this post. It's basically praising me. However, I do not like that last sentence. It makes me feel like he's trying to make us think that any lynch is a possible Illuminati; but I cannot think of a reason why someone would do this. If he was Mafia, it wouldn't make sense because a Mafia wouldn't say this without knowing that Illuminati exists. So, that's out. If he was Illuminati, the only benefit would be that he hopes to make town feel more comfortable with mislynches to make us think we're not in LYLO/MYLO situations. But that is a lot of planning, and I doubt anyone would come up with that idea day 1. So, that kind of leads me to believe he is Town, and he is just warning us of the possibility that this is happening & discussing setup. But the line still gives me an uneasy feeling, like it's premeditated to try to make me think something when reading it.



At any time, you may
select
a
Town
/
Mafia
role as your
assumed role
.
You will appear as this role to all investigative roles and upon death.

Nothing post.


Woah, the formatting really got borked there when I copy pasted that. The point stands though. I assume they just need to PM Matt and it happens.

Nothing post.


A role from the roles list.

Claims this with absolute certainty, could be that he's already asked this question in private to the host.

[Anaconda]

I specifically wanted to see how they would respond to the vote, and an attempt to get them to post more. I wasn't able to be around to have a conversation, but you seem to have asked decent questions. She obviously answered the questions subpar, outright ignoring some and giving vague answers. Nothing about her screams town, but nothing also stands out as a scum tell to me.

To be honest, I'm currently more interested in Rintarou and Kovath. I don't even remember much that Rintarou said, and him voting just because you said was questionable to me. Kovath does post more, but his posts aren't really filled with any pressure on players. I also worry that he is agreeing with me as an attempt not to get my attention by being viewed as favorable by me, so maybe that alone deserves my attention.

It would have been worlds better for you to place a vote on one of those rather than just an unvote. Unvote looks weak there. You prolly thought it wasn't a big deal cuz you got some town cred, but that only goes so far. Don't abuse the town cred IMO. Like especially if you have nowhere else to stick your vote, could have kept it there for the sole reason of not letting them off the hook so easy. I said I would have kept my vote on Whad if it was up to me. Same thing here. Why simply unvote? It makes it look like you aren't interested in hearing anything else from them.

I still want Empathy17 to answer my retort to what they said. Leaving it like this is bugging the shit out of me.

I'll even start signing so there is no confusion.

~Quick