S-FM 197: Sandbox

[powerofdeath]

1. Unknown1234
2. Gyrlander
3. G4slight
4. Quick
5. AIVION
6. Firebringer
7. Funce
8. Titus
9. Mesk514
10. Kovath
11. Talboturbo
12. ika


Day ends at this time:
02:00:00:00

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Anyway, thank you for being patient. And further ado, I present:

S-FM Sandbox

Role List:
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Neutral

Possible Roles:
Mafia roles: Godfather, Consort, Janitor, Framer, Consigiliere, Blackmailer, Agent, Beguiler, Sniper, Turncoat, Tailor, Actress, Informant, Strongman, Don, Lawyer, Forger, Terrorist, Paparazzi, Ninja, Paralyzer, Kidnapper, Whisperer
Town roles: Citizen, Miller, Gallis, Loudmouth, Sleepwalker, Bleeder, Bomb, Bulletproof, Virgin, Doctor, Bodyguard, Escort, Jailor, Hunter, Crier, Celebrity, Oracle, Party Host, Caroler, Mimic, Gunsmith, Blacksmith, Tree Stump, Journalist, Sheriff, Insane Sheriff, Paranoid Sheriff, Naive Sheriff, Lazy Sheriff, Lookout, Detective, Vigilante, Deputy, Snoop, Governor, Telepath
Neutral roles: Angel, Jester, Werewolf, Mastermind, Autocrat, Warlock, Survivor, Witch, Anarchist, Mistletoe, Serial Killer, Arsonist, Electromaniac

Role Card:


Godfather - Immune to detection.

Consort - Roleblock a player each night preventing them from taking action. Does not give Feedback

Janitor - Clean a factional kill once per game. Learns exact role and last will of the target.

Framer - Frame a player to look guilty.

Consigliere - Invest a player each night to detect their exact role

Blackmailer - Prevent a player from posting or voting. It will be announced that the target is blackmailed at day start.

Agent - Visit a player detecting who they visit and who they was visited by.

Beguiler - Visit a player redirecting all visit on you to that target.

Sniper - May shoot someone during the day once per game. The identity of the shooter will be anonymous.

Turncoat - Appear Citizen to everyone. Does not attend Mafia meeting. May be killed by the Mafia. At any point of the game, convert self to Mafia that attends Mafia meeting, is able to be sent to kill and is no longer undetectable.

Tailor - Suit a player each night changing the role they appear on death.

Actress - Visit a player each night. If Actress get lynched or die, they will appear the role of the most recent visit.

Informant - Visit a player each night learning their exact feedback

Strongman - May be sent to kill. If sent to kill, may activate super strength to kill the target ignoring all immunity and roleblocks.

Don - May overturn a lynch to another player once per game. Cannot overturn No lynch or a lynch on Mafia.

Lawyer - Visit a player each night causing them to look innocent.

Forger - Chose a player each day. At night start you will learn their last will and is able to edit it temporarily. If the target dies that night or the following day, Forger's edited version of the last will will appear instead.

Terrorist - At any point of the day may rush to a player killing them ignoring all immunity while sacrificing yourself.

Paparazzi - If ever lynched, choose any player and their exact role, all night actions and all feedback will be posted in the mafia night chat.

Ninja - If sent to kill, the Ninja will not appear to visit the target. Can kill Bomb safely.

Paralyzer - At any point of the day, Paralyzer may freeze the vote. All players who were currently voting for someone cannot change their votes. All players who weren't voting may vote, and once they decide to vote, they cannot change their votes.

Kidnapper - If there is no lynch, Kidnapper may jail anybody giving them a perfect roleblock and immunity. Kidnapper must choose a target during the day. Kidnapper will share the night chat with the target. The target will not know the identity or the alignment of the Jailor. Kidnapper may choose to execute the player.

Whisperer - May send the host as many messages to send anonymously to any player at any point of the day.


Citizen - Power in vote.

Miller - Power in vote. Appear guilty to Sheriffs. Receive Citizen Role Card.

Gallis - Power in vote. If ever lynched, the day will be skipped. If Gallis ever have largest Minority votes on him, he will be lynched instead. (5 votes on Godfather, 4 votes on Gallis, 2 votes on Slaol will result in a Gallis lynch) Receive Citizen Role Card.

Loudmouth - Power in vote. At day start, all names who visited the Loudmouth will be announced. Receive Citizen Role Card.

Sleepwalker - Power in vote. Randomly visit a player each night. Receive Citizen Role Card.

Bleeder - If ever attacked, the Bleeder will start to bleed. Bleeder will receive this notification. At the end of the day, the bleeding Bleeder will die.

Bomb - If ever attacked, the Bomb will explode and whoever attacked him will die as well. The shooter who shot him during the day will also die.

Bulletproof - Have one autovest. Receive notification if vest ever break.

Virgin - If ever lynched, nobody can die the following night. Does not ignore Strongman kill.

Doctor - Heal a player each night. Target is not informed of being attacked. Doctor is not informed target was attacked.

Bodyguard - Protect a player each night. If the target ever get killed, the killer and the bodyguard will die in a duel.

Escort - Roleblock a player each night preventing them from doing their night actions. Does not give Feedback.

Jailor - If there is no lynch, Jailor may jail anybody giving them a perfect roleblock and immunity. Jailor must choose a target during the day. Jailor will share the night chat with the target. The target will not know the identity or the alignment of the Jailor. Jailor may choose to execute the player.

Hunter - If ever lynched, the Hunter may choose to shoot someone as he get lynched.

Crier - May send anonymous messages to everyone at any point of the Day/Night

Celebrity - At the start of the game, Celebrity is revealed to everybody.

Oracle - Visit a player at night. Once the Oracle dies, the most recent target of the Oracle will be revealed.

Party Host - Once per game, the Party host can decide during the day to host a party that night. Everyone except for jailed targets are invited to the party chat. It will be similar to a day chat except that there is no lynch.

Caroler - Visit a player at night. If the caroler isnt visited, Caroler will sing a song to the target letting them know 3 names, which at least one of them are mafia.

Mimic - Visit a player once per game. If visited a town, Mimic will steal that role, and the target will become a Citizen. If visited a Mafia, Mimic will self visit and become a Citizen. If visited a Neutral, Mimic will self visit and become a Jester.

Gunsmith - Visit a player at night giving them a gun to shoot during the day. The identity of the shooter have 50% chance to shoot anonymous and 50% chance to reveal the name of the shooter. Guns do not stack but can replace a used gun.

Blacksmith - Visit a player at night giving them an autovest. The autovest cannot stack, but can replace a broken one.

Tree Stump - Once per game, Tree Stump can become a Tree Stump which would cause them to become immune to all attacks except for Strongman. However Tree Stump cannot vote anymore and will not count as a Town Majority vote to lynch. Identity of the Tree Stump will be revealed once he becomes a Tree Stump

Journalist - Visit a player each night learning their feedback.

Sheriff - Visit a player at night learning if they are innocent or guilty. Town and Neutral shows up as innocent. Mafia show up as guilty.

Insane Sheriff - Visit a player at night learning if they are innocent or guilty. Town and Neutral shows up as Guilty. Mafia show up as innocent. Receive Sheriff Role Card.

Paranoid Sheriff - Visit a player at night learning if they are innocent or guilty. Town, Mafia and Neutral shows up as Guilty. Receive Sheriff Role Card.

Naive Sheriff - Visit a player at night learning if they are innocent or guilty. Town, Mafia and Neutral shows up as Innocent. Receive Sheriff Role Card.

Lazy Sheriff - Visit a player at night learning if they are innocent or guilty. Town and Neutral shows up as innocent. Mafia show up as guilty. Does not receive feedback until the following night. Receive Sheriff Role Card.

Lookout - Visit a player each night learning the identity of all visitors.

Detective - Visit a player each night learning who the target visited.

Vigilante - May shoot a player at night killing them. Is roleblocked if killed at night. Get killed if the vigilante killed the same target as the Mafia factional kill.

Deputy - Receive a gun at start of the game. Shoot a player once per game during the day killing them. Identity of the shooter will not be announced.

Snoop - Visit a player at night learning what items they currently have. Also learns the Suit of the target(Citizen, Miller, Gallis, Loudmouth, Sleepwalker, Sheriff, Insane Sheriff, Paranoid Sheriff, Naive Sheriff, Lazy Sheriff, and Turncoat)

Governor - May overturn a lynch once per game.

Telepath - May send the host as many messages to send anonymously to any player at any point of the day.



Angel - Assigned to a random player at the start of the game. Can chose to heal the player once per game. If the player was hit while healed by the Angel, the Angel dies instead. Wins if the Angel's target survive until the end. Shares a day and night chat.

Jester - Wins if lynched. A random voter will die immediately.

Werewolf - Is given a list of all roles that are in the game at the start of the game. Each night Werewolf may guess a player's exact role. If correct, the werewolf will devour the player and become immune to night kills that night, and day kill/lynches the following day. If the werewolf is incorrect, he will die immediately. Wins when Werewolf gains 50% majority.

Mastermind - At the start of the game, it will be announced to everyone that there is a Mastermind in the game. Mastermind will join mafia's night chat. The Mafia night chat will be anonymous. Mastermind will wins if the mafia wins while alive. The mafia will not win if the Mastermind is alive. Mafia may kill each other if Mastermind is still alive. Mastermind count as a full member of the Mafia. Can be sent to kill for mafia, a 51% majority is required to send to kill. Also for example: If there are 8 players left with 3 mafia and a mastermind, the game will end in Mastermind's victory.

Autocrat - At the start of the game, it will be announced to everyone that there is a Autocrat in the game. Autocrat wins alive if Town meet their win condition. Town does not win if Autocrat is alive.

Warlock - Each night, Warlock may predict who would get lynched the following day. Gets a solo victory if warlock was correct twice while alive. May not predict a no lynch/skip day. May not predict his own lynching.

Survivor - Survive until the end. Get a solo victory if Survivor does not use a single vest. Have 2 Manual vests.

Witch - Witch a player into visiting someone else. Survive to see Town loses.

Anarchist - May give a player a bomb each night. At the start of the day, it will be announced to everyone that player has a bomb. The player may pass the bomb to another player. The bomb will explode at a random time of the day killing the player. If Anarchist have the bomb and it exploded, the Anarchist will survive and will be revealed to everybody.

Mistletoe - Pair two players to fall in love. If those 2 players are in the same alignment, they will fall in love. If they are in different alignment, they will not fall in love. They both will share a day and night chat. If one of the pair that fell in love dies, the other will die as well. Will be notified if successful or not. Wins alive if everyone alive is in love.

Serial Killer - Kill a player each night. Wins if Serial Killer gains 50% majority.

Arsonist - Douses a player each night. May choose to undouse a player each night instead. Victim is not informed of Dousing. At any point of the day, the Arsonist may burn all doused player. Does not ignore immunity/vests. This can only happen once. Wins if Arsonist gains 50% majority.

Electromaniac - Charge 2 players each night. If someone with a charge visit another player with a charge, they both will die. Wins if Electromaniac gains 50% majority.



Order of Operations:
Jails
Witch
Escort/Consort Roleblocks
Beguiler
Miscellaneous Pre Kills: Sleepwalker, Tailor, Actress, Blackmailer, Anarchist, Oracle, Mistletoe, Gunsmith
Kills: Mafia Factional Kills, Serial Killer, Vigilante, Werewolf, Douses, Electromaniac visit
Doctor saves, BG protect, Angel protect, Janitor cleans
Miscellaneous Post Kills: Framer, Lawyer, Forger, Mimic visits, Blacksmith vests
Investigations: Caroler, Lookout, Detective, All sheriffs, Consigliere, Informant, Agent, Snoop, Journalist
Charges and Mimic steal roles take place last


Mechanics:
Mafia shares a Night Chat
Day are 48 hours long and Night are 24 hours long
Day start with lynch
Vote tags are used
Death Description is off

Majority vote will be used. Not voting will count as Skip Day. Hammering does not lynch the person or end the day. Whoever have the most votes by 48 hours will be lynched. If more people doesnt vote over the Majority, the day will be skipped. Example 5 people didnt vote, 4 people voted Slaol, and 3 people voted Orpz. Day will be skipped.

Solo Victory Mechanics: Survivor and Warlock can all get a Joint Solo Victory if they both met their win condition.

End Game: Whenever a win condition is met with an exception of Jester, Angel, Survivor or Witch.

Rules:
No editing, no deleting posts
No videos or excessive images
No suicides
No cheating, skyping or gamethrowing
You must post at least 10 times during 48 hours day. Those posts must be good quality posts.

Win Condition:
Town: Eliminate the Mafia, Werewolf, Mastermind, Warlock, Witch, Anarchist, Mistletoe, Serial Killer, Arsonist, Electromaniac
Mafia: Gain 50% Majority and Mastermind must be eliminated
Angel - Wins if target survive until the end
Jester - Wins if lynched
Werewolf - Gains 50% Majority
Mastermind - Wins if Mafia gains 50% Majority while alive
Autocrat - Wins if Town meet its win condition while alive
Warlock - Wins a solo victory if correctly predicted 2 lynches.
Survivor - Survive until the end. Wins a solo victory if Survivor does not wear any vests.
Witch - Survive to see Town loses
Anarchist - Gains 50% Majority
Mistletoe - Wins if everyone alive is in love
Serial Killer - Gains 50% Majority
Arsonist - Gains 50% Majority
Electromaniac - Gains 50% Majority

[Quick]

first.

[Quick]

SCum better watch themselves because I'm a PR and scum gunna get rekt.

[Kovath]

Hype hype!

Opening vote of honor for the Pikachu:

Gyrlander

[Kovath]

SCum better watch themselves because I'm a PR and scum gunna get rekt.

Keep that talk up and the only thing getting rekt will be you in the night...

[Quick]

Hype hype!

Opening vote of honor for the Pikachu:

Gyrlander

Feigned excitement. Over the top delivery. Random vote.

Kovath

[ika]

titus

about to gon a 4 hr dirve posting will be limited next 3 days

[Quick]

Keep that talk up and the only thing getting rekt will be you in the night...

If you think I'm being honest, that's up to the scumz to decide. I have no problems with my death. It will help my team.

[Quick]

titus

about to gon a 4 hr dirve posting will be limited next 3 days

Why vote then? Completely pointless at that point.

[Gyrlander]

I'm the fucking sexiest pikachu in the world. Now, if you excuse me, I have to go to sleep BYE

Firebringer

[Titus]

Quick, ika always votes me. Him not tunnelling me is a scumclaim. I am hated in a town!ika or scum;ika trying world.

Kovath

[Quick]

Everyone should post a lot during RVS because even though I detest it, I get the best reads during RVS and Late game. If you are town Listen to me in late game. I'll try and town it up so it easy to see, but if I make it to late game do me a solid and give what I say some thought.

I have two people that I think are Sus at this point. ika had a pointless vote and that doesn't add up to me. He is not my prime suspect though. Right now I'm looking at Kovath who seems to have disappeared and had some questionable posts already.

[Quick]

Quick, ika always votes me. Him not tunnelling me is a scumclaim. I am hated in a town!ika or scum;ika trying world.

Kovath

That doesn't matter. What matters is it was weird for me. You will see how I operate as you play more games with me.

[Titus]

Ok, I just don't find it weird knowing our history. It's null.

[Quick]

Ok, I just don't find it weird knowing our history. It's null.

I agree its not overtly Sus. I just didn't like how he just took off like that though, that was weird.

[powerofdeath]

test post, ignore this

[Kovath]

Everyone should post a lot during RVS because even though I detest it, I get the best reads during RVS and Late game. If you are town Listen to me in late game. I'll try and town it up so it easy to see, but if I make it to late game do me a solid and give what I say some thought.

I have two people that I think are Sus at this point. @ika (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=6424) had a pointless vote and that doesn't add up to me. He is not my prime suspect though. Right now I'm looking at @Kovath (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=4273) who seems to have disappeared and had some questionable posts already.

First, as you point out, it's RVS. Second, even shitposting and random voting is useless because it generates reactions and content. Like yours to my first posts.

Third, I'm cooking dinner so you'll have to forgive me if I'm not posting for a bit :P

[Quick]

First, as you point out, it's RVS. Second, even shitposting and random voting is useless because it generates reactions and content. Like yours to my first posts.

Third, I'm cooking dinner so you'll have to forgive me if I'm not posting for a bit :P

Those sound like the kind of excuses Scum give.

[Talboturbo]

Hello people. I hope we have a good game.

[Funce]

I have arrived you cheeky scrublords?
Guess who my first vote is.

Firebringer

[Firebringer]

I totally forgot what my role for this game was.

Consider this post not alignment indicative for I don't know shit.

[Funce]

So we know there isn't a celebrity. Good.
Thats one TPR we don't have to worry about.
What do you think mafia?

[Firebringer]

Okay PoD mispelled my role name.
Didn't even give me full rolecard.

And made a horrible joke.

This checks out.

This post is alignment indicative.

[Funce]

I totally forgot what my role for this game was.

Consider this post not alignment indicative for I don't know shit.

Yeah, Yeah. I know you're trying to hard you arsonist you.

[Quick]

powerofdeath,

does the game end if Jester wins?

[Quick]

Just FYI, the last game I played I caught scum by the 11th post.

[Funce]

End Game: Whenever a win condition is met with an exception of Jester, Angel, Survivor or Witch.

Is this what you were looking for

[Funce]

Just turned on my music, so now I can't read for shit.

[Funce]

If someone has something important, label it important and the music will turn off.

So.
I scumread Firebringer for his Arsonist play.

[Firebringer]

Just FYI, the last game I played I caught scum by the 11th post.

Hello scum.
Quick

I should have known.

[Firebringer]

If someone has something important, label it important and the music will turn off.

So.
I scumread Firebringer for his Arsonist play.

Actually you are being too bad to ignore:
Funce

WTF is my arson play?

[Quick]

Is this what you were looking for

OK then, I'm fine lynching Kovath.

[Mesk514]

Oh hey, where's my best friend?

Unknown1234

[Funce]

Actually you are being too bad to ignore:
Funce

WTF is my arson play?

I love your playing dumb.
Although I'm a much better arsonist than you were.

[Firebringer]

Oh hey, where's my best friend?

Unknown1234

You consider Unknown your bestie? OHhhh how cute.

[Funce]

Than you ARE I should say.

[Firebringer]

I love your playing dumb.
Although I'm a much better arsonist than you were.

When have you played arsonist in FM?

[Quick]

Actually you are being too bad to ignore:
Funce

WTF is my arson play?

This is a Town post.

Fire, vote Kovath with me, this wagon is going places.

[Funce]

When have you played arsonist in FM?

I've played arsonist in MANY other places.
Do I have to spoiler, quote them all?

[Quick]

Than you ARE I should say.

I think you are scum too..

[Talboturbo]

Firebringer, o bringer of Fire, you are an arson, you cannot deny.

Just kidding you can deny, but I had to make a little poem. May be a crap poem but there it is.

[Funce]

I think you are scum too..

Then you aren't looking the right way.

[Firebringer]

Okay Quick, I trust you for now.

And I want to trust TItus.

Kovath

[Quick]

Firebringer, o bringer of Fire, you are an arson, you cannot deny.

Just kidding you can deny, but I had to make a little poem. May be a crap poem but there it is.

You can be town too.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, o bringer of Fire, you are an arson, you cannot deny.

Just kidding you can deny, but I had to make a little poem. May be a crap poem but there it is.

I liked the poem.
10/10

I wuold give you bonus points if I was arson.
I would craft a death note that read the same for when I doused then ignited you.

[Funce]

I liked the poem.
10/10

I wuold give you bonus points if I was arson.
I would craft a death note that read the same for when I doused then ignited you.

inb4 arson frame.

[Unknown1234]

Oh hey, where's my best friend?

Unknown1234

I got your back, best friend :)

[Unknown1234]

I got your back, best friend :)

Mesk514

[Firebringer]

inb4 arson frame.

HOW DID YOU FIND OUT!
DID POD TELL YOU!?!?!?!

[Funce]

So when do the trains come in where you live?

[Firebringer]

Mesk514

True Best Friends try to lynch each other.
This is so beautiful

[Funce]

HOW DID YOU FIND OUT!
DID POD TELL YOU!?!?!?!

POD told me everything.

[Unknown1234]

True Best Friends try to lynch each other.
This is so beautiful

When we are as fun as one another, there is only one true fun person.

[Titus]

Kovath can die now.

Hi Toothless!

[Talboturbo]

POD told me everything.

HE KNOWS! HIDE YOUR KIDS, HES COMING FOR YOU!

[Funce]

If only a few other people would try to lynch eachother.
We could be rid of a few....



Arsonists...

[Firebringer]

If only a few other people would try to lynch eachother.
We could be rid of a few....



Arsonists...

You are trying to hint at something...I am just not getting what exactly it is....

[Funce]

When we are as fun as one another, there is only one true fun person.

You might not want to lynch your ♥Lover♥

[Unknown1234]

Can we get those nice beautiful three votes off Kovath please? Or is the scum team giving up already?

[Funce]

You are trying to hint at something...I am just not getting what exactly it is....

I don't know what the hell I'm saying half the time. I find it great that someone else can't.

[Unknown1234]

You might not want to lynch your ♥Lover♥

Funce, you seem wonderful. You won't die yet.

[Funce]

Can we get those nice beautiful three votes off Kovath please? Or is the scum team giving up already?

Ooh, ooh lel no.

Kovath

[Funce]

Funce, you seem wonderful. You won't die yet.


Ooh, ooh lel no.

Kovath

Will this make me die yet?
Cause I don't die. I just don't.
Its D1/2 Lynch or N4 Death. Thats my only two death options.
Three.

[Funce]

Side-by-side SFM's are nice.
They steal all the good players.

[Talboturbo]

Will this make me die yet?
Cause I don't die. I just don't.
Its D1/2 Lynch or N4 Death. Thats my only two death options.
Three.

I swear someone's going to prove you wrong just because you said that.

[Unknown1234]

Ooh, ooh lel no.

Kovath

If you wanna fight about it, we can take this outside. I hate to warn you, it might get bloody.

[Unknown1234]

Side-by-side SFM's are nice.
They steal all the good players.

What if your in both....? Hmm.

[Quick]

Side-by-side SFM's are nice.
They steal all the good players.

You're too cocky, like its fake.

[Firebringer]

Side-by-side SFM's are nice.
They steal all the good players.

I am here!

[Funce]

If you wanna fight about it, we can take this outside. I hate to warn you, it might get bloody.

I have no interest in FIGHTING you.
But if this continues, you're gonna come down into the depths of being lynched with me.

[Talboturbo]

I am here!

What does that say then, hmm?? He disrespect!

[Funce]

You're too cocky, like its fake.

I got bored because nobody posted in 30 seconds.

[Firebringer]

You're too cocky, like its fake.

Yeah, I am getting that a lot of what Funce is doing is fake, but it could be just to get reactions.
Though it doesn't seem like it the longer this goes on.

[Funce]

What does that say then, hmm?? He disrespect!

You are not full of the sense today.

[Funce]

Yeah, I am getting that a lot of what Funce is doing is fake, but it could be just to get reactions.
Though it doesn't seem like it the longer this goes on.

I'm attempting to get grounded in the SFM.
So I don't float away into lurking later when I haven't read anything.

[Talboturbo]

You are not full of the sense today.

Since when do I have sense? You know me better than anyone else.

[Quick]

Yeah, I am getting that a lot of what Funce is doing is fake, but it could be just to get reactions.
Though it doesn't seem like it the longer this goes on.

Their posting frequency is too fast. They are not doing it for reactions.

[Funce]

Since when do I have sense? You know me better than anyone else.

Ah, but I can't use that.

[Funce]

Their posting frequency is too fast. They are not doing it for reactions.

Do you even scumread?

[Unknown1234]

I am here!

Please welcome Fire everyone! Only participating in 2, soon to be 3! (And don't forget L-3)

[Funce]

I don't have to be logical right now!

[Quick]

Do you even scumread?

Yeah, I'm the best at the beginning and at the end. If you were doing for reactions then you would take you time because I am the one posting a lot. You aren't trying to read me, there for you are not using deduction, which is the way I take it you read people based on the fact of how you die in games as you have said it. My guess it that Kovath has a pretty good Scum role and you are trying to discredit me and you already tried to shade one of my town reads. Not off to a good start.

[G4slight]

Talboturbo

Simple guys, number 11 is always mafia, it's the most duplicitous of all the available numbers and thus most likely to be scum.

Also nice meeting you guys, first game here, hope to make it awesome.

A side note about myself, I work during the days, so I will periodically check the games from my cell phone and do my posting when I get finished.

[Kovath]

Can someone perhaps explain to me why I come back from dinner with 3 votes and the only substantial argument against me being, "These are the kinds of excuses scum would make"?

It sounds like a very powerful scumhunting argument to me. Just kidding.

[Quick]

Talboturbo

Simple guys, number 11 is always mafia, it's the most duplicitous of all the available numbers and thus most likely to be scum.

Also nice meeting you guys, first game here, hope to make it awesome.

A side note about myself, I work during the days, so I will periodically check the games from my cell phone and do my posting when I get finished.

How much experience do you have playing? Do you know how many games you have played?

[Firebringer]

I am starting to think Funce is a Jester lol.

[Quick]

Can someone perhaps explain to me why I come back from dinner with 3 votes and the only substantial argument against me being, "These are the kinds of excuses scum would make"?

It sounds like a very powerful scumhunting argument to me. Just kidding.

First off, its only 3 votes during RVS, so you are nervous for no reason.. or are you nervous for the reason that you are scum?

[Funce]

Yeah, I'm the best at the beginning and at the end. If you were doing for reactions then you would take you time because I am the one posting a lot. You aren't trying to read me, there for you are not using deduction, which is the way I take it you read people based on the fact of how you die in games as you have said it. My guess it that Kovath has a pretty good Scum role and you are trying to discredit me and you already tried to shade one of my town reads. Not off to a good start.

I avoid reading people who scum-read me
I only voted kovath because unknown said NOT to vote him.
Discrediting you? How have I discredited you? If I have I assure it was not my intention.

And shading a town-read. Yeah I like doing that.

[Funce]

I am starting to think Funce is a Jester lol.

I'm not a Jester, I'll tell you that.

[Talboturbo]

I'm not a Jester, I'll tell you that.

Well we found the jester people, you can all calm down.

[Quick]

I am starting to think Funce is a Jester lol.

No they wouldn't be cocky if they were jester. That's not the way jester role plays. At least not the way I picture this person playing jester. They keep saying it is RVS and they don't have to do anything. They wouldn't say that unless they wanted to play the long game.

[Funce]

No they wouldn't be cocky if they were jester. That's not the way jester role plays. At least not the way I picture this person playing jester. They keep saying it is RVS and they don't have to do anything. They wouldn't say that unless they wanted to play the long game.

Are you mixing me with someone else? I've never intended for myself to get to the long game.

[Funce]

I've also never said the word RVS.

[Quick]

I avoid reading people who scum-read me
I only voted kovath because unknown said NOT to vote him.
Discrediting you? How have I discredited you? If I have I assure it was not my intention.

And shading a town-read. Yeah I like doing that.

You keep saying it is RVS so there is no need to think. That's how you have tried to discredit me.

Mr. Green avatar is super new town. If you can't see this yet its cuz you are either bad at this game or are scum.

[Firebringer]

No they wouldn't be cocky if they were jester. That's not the way jester role plays. At least not the way I picture this person playing jester. They keep saying it is RVS and they don't have to do anything. They wouldn't say that unless they wanted to play the long game.

This is funce trying to actively be the center of attention, but he isn't trying to actively sort or read players. He is creating noise. That is what a Jester does. THey create noise, they annoy players, and try to disrupt people from reading, and they don't hunt for scum so they are more likely to be voted.

He isn't very confident I would say, he is just saying random shit.

I swear Funce is acting like Donald Trump imitation right now lol.

[Funce]

You keep saying it is RVS so there is no need to think. That's how you have tried to discredit me.

Mr. Green avatar is super new town. If you can't see this yet its cuz you are either bad at this game or are scum.

I'm confused. I've never said RVS?
aaand, I haven't Touched Greenie.

[Quick]

Are you mixing me with someone else? I've never intended for myself to get to the long game.

Then your willing to take the fall for Kovath.


I've also never said the word RVS.

Inconsequential, the concept is the same, and that is a weak argument.

[Funce]

This is funce trying to actively be the center of attention, but he isn't trying to actively sort or read players. He is creating noise. That is what a Jester does. THey create noise, they annoy players, and try to disrupt people from reading, and they don't hunt for scum so they are more likely to be voted.

He isn't very confident I would say, he is just saying random shit.

I swear Funce is acting like Donald Trump imitation right now lol.

Number two is always true regardless of Alignment. I'm afraid of Failure.

[G4slight]

Why vote then? Completely pointless at that point.

I agree with this


Can we get those nice beautiful three votes off Kovath please? Or is the scum team giving up already?

Seems super sketch, early buddying, either a mafia tell, or an overt sloppy symp play


Their posting frequency is too fast. They are not doing it for reactions.

You're being so pro town right now, I'm putting you on my early hard town read atm

[Kovath]

First off, its only 3 votes during RVS, so you are nervous for no reason.. or are you nervous for the reason that you are scum?

So you don't have anything more substantive to go off of, just your "gut feeling", proclamations of previous proficiency, and insinuations that I am scum thinly veiled in rhetorical question form. Got it.

You say you're best at the beginning and at the end. Explain more about your midgame, then.

[Funce]

Then your willing to take the fall for Kovath.



Inconsequential, the concept is the same, and that is a weak argument.

I've never hinted RVS in any of my posts?!

[Firebringer]

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

[Quick]

This is funce trying to actively be the center of attention, but he isn't trying to actively sort or read players. He is creating noise. That is what a Jester does. THey create noise, they annoy players, and try to disrupt people from reading, and they don't hunt for scum so they are more likely to be voted.

He isn't very confident I would say, he is just saying random shit.

I swear Funce is acting like Donald Trump imitation right now lol.

Well I still think there is a good chance he is Scum and not of the jester variety.

[Funce]

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

I know one thing I can do to make you know.
However that is for a later day.

[Quick]

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

That's fine. We can lynch Kovath today and see how that goes. Lynch scum where you see 'em.

[G4slight]

How much experience do you have playing? Do you know how many games you have played?

I've played a lot on other sites, but it's been a little over a year since my last game. I'd say I am fairly experienced. I get a lot of gut readings and will usually dig deeper in on those. I also "beat the grass to look for snakes". Not everyone likes my gut reads and logic from them, but I find scum to slip the most under that type of pressure.

[Funce]

Am I just fully absolved, because that is the absolute worst play you could do.

[Quick]

I've played a lot on other sites, but it's been a little over a year since my last game. I'd say I am fairly experienced. I get a lot of gut readings and will usually dig deeper in on those. I also "beat the grass to look for snakes". Not everyone likes my gut reads and logic from them, but I find scum to slip the most under that type of pressure.

What's your read on Funce?

[G4slight]

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

TBH after reading through his spam fest I've already put him on the back burner, but not completely.

[Funce]

I haven't targeted you Quick.
At all.
I'm only trying to get into the game. I have a tendency to lurk when people don't talk to me.
So I'm making myself some discussion.

and I did just kick us out of RVS.

[Kovath]

That's fine. We can lynch Kovath today and see how that goes. Lynch scum where you see 'em.

You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

[Kovath]

You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

Content on me that backs up your read, to be specific.

[Quick]

I haven't targeted you Quick.
At all.
I'm only trying to get into the game. I have a tendency to lurk when people don't talk to me.
So I'm making myself some discussion.

and I did just kick us out of RVS.

No, I kicked us out of RVS.

[Funce]

Well I understand what just happened.

[Funce]

No, I kicked us out of RVS.

You can't kick us out. I gave you the thing to kick.

[Firebringer]

You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

We are about 5 pages in. You can't tunnel someone 5 pages in.
COmpare this to you calling me scum for 60 some pages in World of Music.

Theres a huge difference in tunneling. THe game just started.

[Unknown1234]

G4 isn't buddying with me. Why?

[Unknown1234]

We are about 5 pages in. You can't tunnel someone 5 pages in.
COmpare this to you calling me scum for 60 some pages in World of Music.

Theres a huge difference in tunneling. THe game just started.

Ehem, I got tunnelled in 3 posts last game, sheesh

[G4slight]

What's your read on Funce?

What does RVS stand for?

Also I find him to be spammy, not sure if that's equitable to scummy atm, I usually find that to be more of a meta read on a person, i.e. Player X is posting a lot but not saying much that's usually one of their scum tells.

However if this behavior continues and it's cluttering up the actual gameplay, I am fine with a policy lynch.

[Firebringer]

Ehem, I got tunnelled in 3 posts last game, sheesh

We aren't going to have an argument based on what tunneling qualifies for.
Your reaction to pressure hasn't given me much so far.

Do you think Quick is scum for pushing you?

[G4slight]

G4 isn't buddying with me. Why?

Ummm should I be?

[Titus]

Kovath you are scum, because the moon says so. :-p

[Firebringer]

Kovath you are scum, because the moon says so. :-p

So sayeth the Moon Walker.

How you doing Mike? I mean Titus :P
Still being my trusty guard I hope :D

[G4slight]

You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

You seem super defensive, for such an early stage in the game. Your statement about Funce also seems weird.

[G4slight]

That's fine. We can lynch Kovath today and see how that goes. Lynch scum where you see 'em.

Is there a special reason for this? He seems to not be handling pressure well, but anything further than that?

[G4slight]

I know one thing I can do to make you know.
However that is for a later day.

I really don't like this post

[Titus]

Is there a special reason for this? He seems to not be handling pressure well, but anything further than that?

No reason beyond he's scum not reacting to pressure well. You need more than that?


Oh Fire, a lady never posts and tells the first day. ;)

[Quick]

Hype hype!

Opening vote of honor for the Pikachu:

Gyrlander


Feigned excitement. Over the top delivery. Random vote.

Kovath


Keep that talk up and the only thing getting rekt will be you in the night...

This seems like a threat more than anything. I'm not stupid enough to give away what role I am right off the bat. The post I made was bait for scum to say something like this.


If you think I'm being honest, that's up to the scumz to decide. I have no problems with my death. It will help my team.


Everyone should post a lot during RVS because even though I detest it, I get the best reads during RVS and Late game. If you are town Listen to me in late game. I'll try and town it up so it easy to see, but if I make it to late game do me a solid and give what I say some thought.

I have two people that I think are Sus at this point. ika had a pointless vote and that doesn't add up to me. He is not my prime suspect though. Right now I'm looking at Kovath who seems to have disappeared and had some questionable posts already.


First, as you point out, it's RVS. Second, even shitposting and random voting is useless because it generates reactions and content. Like yours to my first posts.

Third, I'm cooking dinner so you'll have to forgive me if I'm not posting for a bit :P

No, you have it backwards. You reacted to me, not the other way around. This is an easy way for scum to try and turn it around on me when they know full well what actually happened.

And shit posts and and random voting is how I get reads, like you agreed with, but didn't give me credit that that is what I was trying to do. -1 for you.

And you said you were cooking dinner and nothing about having to leave for a bit to eat it. Why leave that out?


So you don't have anything more substantive to go off of, just your "gut feeling", proclamations of previous proficiency, and insinuations that I am scum thinly veiled in rhetorical question form. Got it.

You say you're best at the beginning and at the end. Explain more about your midgame, then.

That's not true.. at all. How could you possible know the extent of my game if you have never played with me before?

The fact that you want me to talk about mid mid game is completely off topic and has no relevance to this beginning of the day. you ask about this as if to change the subject from the focus being on you to on me. There is no reason to ask this question if you have a town mindset. you think I'm self absorbed or something and think stroking my ego to get me to talk about myself will get me to think about me rather than you. So far up to this point all you have tried to do is discredit me and say "see, he has no reasons, he can't be right. So what if my gut reads are good? What do you do if my start of day one reads are on point. So far you haven't even entertained that possibility. You come off as super defensive for having a new face blindly accuse you of being scum.


You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

Here you are trying to get me to feel guilty for having reads this early in the game attempting to make me second guess myself. Like I said, you are coming across way too defensively to just be a town feeling me out. You comment on that there are already 3 votes on you during RVS is very telling.


Content on me that backs up your read, to be specific.

Here.

[Kovath]

You seem super defensive, for such an early stage in the game. Your statement about Funce also seems weird.

It's very easy to throw out the "You seem defensive" at someone as a scum slight, yet very little do I actually see it backed up with anything. My point was I want to hear some actual reasoning for why a collection of individuals have scumread me off shitposts. Analysis of my recent posts, I can accept. Scumreading me in order to get my reactions, that is something that I can accept. All I've gotten so far is the aforementioned "These feel like scum excuses" and that the moon apparently decided to scumread me. This is not an approach that I believe is productive to town. Gut feelings are important but should be backed up by content. Relying on gut feelings to conduct lynches is not a pro-town way to play the game, so what I am requesting is that we begin moving in that direction.

This train also feels quite opportunistic, like scum are just swinging their way aboard to make themselves seem useful and productive.

As for Funce, Fire's and some other reactions are why I made that statement. I feel like people playing that way are looking to survive to later days (and hopefully to contribute then), which does not fit the wincon of a Jester.

[G4slight]

No reason beyond he's scum not reacting to pressure well. You need more than that?


Oh Fire, a lady never posts and tells the first day. ;)

I would usually like to see the trend happening over an extended period of time, but yeah, I agree bad handling of pressure is like in the top 3 scum tells. But usually applies to newer players imo

[Quick]

I would usually like to see the trend happening over an extended period of time, but yeah, I agree bad handling of pressure is like in the top 3 scum tells. But usually applies to newer players imo

Keep in mind this guy has 9 rep power.

I say we string him up.

[Titus]

There is not going to be an extended period. Days last 2 IRL days.

[Firebringer]

Keep in mind this guy has 9 rep power.

I say we string him up.

Rep power might be the most hilarious reason I ever heard to vote someone up.

[Kovath]

I cooked my dinner and ate it, as was implied by the act of cooking it. I have no idea how that fits into your "Kovath is scum" narrative.

If I'm scum, do I react to your 'bait' in that manner in such an obvious way in a shitpost? Or am I being so obvious that I must be scum after all? Not something I would consider alignment-indicative.

I will grant you your point on you getting reads off reactions and such. I would argue that your vote was a reaction to my beginning vote, which I then reacted to, but that argument would probably devolve to little productive.

On the contrary, I believe it is a town perspective to take. You spoke quite a bit about your early and late games. What should town expect from you in the midgame? Will you continue to push your early reads, searching for content to back them up? What kind of mechanical decisions should town expect? Since you are presenting an image of yourself as a player, I requested that you make it a complete one, and the argument that I was just intending to derail the conversation makes little sense given your continued focus on me. It was a serious question intended to get a serious answer.

I don't know where trying to guilt you into anything came into any statement I made. I will grant that my reaction to 3 votes was a bit over-the-top, though, as you say. I defend myself by saying that I was surprised by where it came from, considering its gut-read-based origins.

I am liking this trend, though. We're moving into more substantial discussion.

[G4slight]

It's very easy to throw out the "You seem defensive" at someone as a scum slight, yet very little do I actually see it backed up with anything. My point was I want to hear some actual reasoning for why a collection of individuals have scumread me off shitposts. Analysis of my recent posts, I can accept. Scumreading me in order to get my reactions, that is something that I can accept. All I've gotten so far is the aforementioned "These feel like scum excuses" and that the moon apparently decided to scumread me. This is not an approach that I believe is productive to town. Gut feelings are important but should be backed up by content. Relying on gut feelings to conduct lynches is not a pro-town way to play the game, so what I am requesting is that we begin moving in that direction.

This train also feels quite opportunistic, like scum are just swinging their way aboard to make themselves seem useful and productive.

As for Funce, Fire's and some other reactions are why I made that statement. I feel like people playing that way are looking to survive to later days (and hopefully to contribute then), which does not fit the wincon of a Jester.

Dude, I'm not scum reading you because of your shitpost, I'm scum reading you because your reaction to other people calling you out, and you over explaining things. I also didn't have you as a hard scum read, since I wanted to see your further reactions and the way you handled things. This however has elevated you in my mind.

You also seem like you are trying to buddy up with Funce in that last part, appealing to him since if you are mafia you obviously know he isn't so you're trying to earn town cred.

[Quick]

Rep power might be the most hilarious reason I ever heard to vote someone up.

I'll be here all day (read my siggy and I think you'll get it).

[G4slight]

Keep in mind this guy has 9 rep power.

I say we string him up.

What is rep power?

[Quick]

I cooked my dinner and ate it, as was implied by the act of cooking it. I have no idea how that fits into your "Kovath is scum" narrative.

If I'm scum, do I react to your 'bait' in that manner in such an obvious way in a shitpost? Or am I being so obvious that I must be scum after all? Not something I would consider alignment-indicative.

I will grant you your point on you getting reads off reactions and such. I would argue that your vote was a reaction to my beginning vote, which I then reacted to, but that argument would probably devolve to little productive.

On the contrary, I believe it is a town perspective to take. You spoke quite a bit about your early and late games. What should town expect from you in the midgame? Will you continue to push your early reads, searching for content to back them up? What kind of mechanical decisions should town expect? Since you are presenting an image of yourself as a player, I requested that you make it a complete one, and the argument that I was just intending to derail the conversation makes little sense given your continued focus on me. It was a serious question intended to get a serious answer.

I don't know where trying to guilt you into anything came into any statement I made. I will grant that my reaction to 3 votes was a bit over-the-top, though, as you say. I defend myself by saying that I was surprised by where it came from, considering its gut-read-based origins.

I am liking this trend, though. We're moving into more substantial discussion.

Well your first mistake is that you have to defend yourself at all.

Bag 'em and tag 'em.

[Firebringer]

I'll be here all day (read my siggy and I think you'll get it).

They have a different name for that here.

"Right for the wrong reasons" is called the firebriner effect.
:P

[Kovath]

What is rep power?

A site thing that is being used as justification that I'm an experienced player.

I think it's a product of posts, activity, and reputation given.

[G4slight]

I cooked my dinner and ate it, as was implied by the act of cooking it. I have no idea how that fits into your "Kovath is scum" narrative.

If I'm scum, do I react to your 'bait' in that manner in such an obvious way in a shitpost? Or am I being so obvious that I must be scum after all? Not something I would consider alignment-indicative.

I will grant you your point on you getting reads off reactions and such. I would argue that your vote was a reaction to my beginning vote, which I then reacted to, but that argument would probably devolve to little productive.

On the contrary, I believe it is a town perspective to take. You spoke quite a bit about your early and late games. What should town expect from you in the midgame? Will you continue to push your early reads, searching for content to back them up? What kind of mechanical decisions should town expect? Since you are presenting an image of yourself as a player, I requested that you make it a complete one, and the argument that I was just intending to derail the conversation makes little sense given your continued focus on me. It was a serious question intended to get a serious answer.

I don't know where trying to guilt you into anything came into any statement I made. I will grant that my reaction to 3 votes was a bit over-the-top, though, as you say. I defend myself by saying that I was surprised by where it came from, considering its gut-read-based origins.

I am liking this trend, though. We're moving into more substantial discussion.

Are you referring to yourself in the part I bolded? Since if you are making posts and taking a line of thinking because "You believe it's the town perspective" on the issue, I mean that's self explanatory for how incriminating that is.

[Quick]

What is rep power?

Look at my avatar, then look below it. at the bottom of that section it tell what your rep power is. I asked about this earlier. How it works is people can give you rep. It also accumulates as you post, but this guy has more than average for the amount of posts he has.

[Titus]

Kov, you are aware that Quick is damn near conftown right? What are your other reads?

[Firebringer]

Kov, you are aware that Quick is damn near conftown right? What are your other reads?

How is he conf town? he is in my strong town pool, but conf is a bit much.....

[G4slight]

How is he conf town? he is in my strong town pool, but conf is a bit much.....

Would also like the answer to this, as I do see Quick as town, in my hard town list, he is actively scum hunting and playing in a very pro town way, but he could be scum trying to lead the town at an early stage to coast to endgame. So I wouldn't say conf town at all.

[Quick]

Kov, you are aware that Quick is damn near conftown right? What are your other reads?

yeah, town is the only thing I am good at, lol.

[Kovath]

Are you referring to yourself in the part I bolded? Since if you are making posts and taking a line of thinking because "You believe it's the town perspective" on the issue, I mean that's self explanatory for how incriminating that is.

That comment was made in response to a point that Quick indicating something I said as not-town-perspective. That should be more than enough explanation.

I have no idea how Quick is confirmed town at all. Seeing as I know I am town, I'm townreading him for his scumhunting but he could still be mafia pouncing on a perceived opportunity.

There are some people I'm waiting to hear more content from. Lightly scumreading Titus for sheeping and no content. Firebringer light town.

Some of the people haven't posted much at all or usefully, so I'm not going to try to read them at the moment.

I'm honestly more inclined to townread G4 for training me right now, but could be opportunistic scum. I'll keep a close eye out.

Oh, Unknown is also a scumread.

[Quick]

That comment was made in response to a point that Quick indicating something I said as not-town-perspective. That should be more than enough explanation.

I have no idea how Quick is confirmed town at all. Seeing as I know I am town, I'm townreading him for his scumhunting but he could still be mafia pouncing on a perceived opportunity.

There are some people I'm waiting to hear more content from. Lightly scumreading Titus for sheeping and no content. Firebringer light town.

Some of the people haven't posted much at all or usefully, so I'm not going to try to read them at the moment.

I'm honestly more inclined to townread G4 for training me right now, but could be opportunistic scum. I'll keep a close eye out.

Oh, Unknown is also a scumread.

Unknown is not scum.

[Kovath]

Unknown is not scum.

I just looked at all his posts again and found nothing that would have given me this impression.

[Titus]

yeah, town is the only thing I am good at, lol.

Yeah I knew within five posts this wasn't your group scum game in Sudoken.

[Funce]

And I have descended into the lurking.
This is horrid.

[Quick]

Yeah I knew within five posts this wasn't your group scum game in Sudoken.

you got to give me credit for fighting that one to the bitter end though.

[G4slight]

That comment was made in response to a point that Quick indicating something I said as not-town-perspective. That should be more than enough explanation.

I have no idea how Quick is confirmed town at all. Seeing as I know I am town, I'm townreading him for his scumhunting but he could still be mafia pouncing on a perceived opportunity.

There are some people I'm waiting to hear more content from. Lightly scumreading Titus for sheeping and no content. Firebringer light town.

Some of the people haven't posted much at all or usefully, so I'm not going to try to read them at the moment.

I'm honestly more inclined to townread G4 for training me right now, but could be opportunistic scum. I'll keep a close eye out.

Oh, Unknown is also a scumread.

That's what I thought, but does look suspicious AF

Already mentioned that exact point about Quick, it's like you copied what I said and changed the wording, great minds.

I also want to hear more from Talbo, it says he is reading the thread, but he only went quiet when things got serious. (I don't usually use reading the thread as reason to scum hunt, because sometimes people just don't know what to say, or how to formulate their opinions, or don't want to clutter the thread with the same rehashed stuff, but I do take notice of it.)

Ditto

Thanks for the town read, but how am I "training" you?

Unknown I'm null on

[Quick]

That's what I thought, but does look suspicious AF

Already mentioned that exact point about Quick, it's like you copied what I said and changed the wording, great minds.

I also want to hear more from Talbo, it says he is reading the thread, but he only went quiet when things got serious. (I don't usually use reading the thread as reason to scum hunt, because sometimes people just don't know what to say, or how to formulate their opinions, or don't want to clutter the thread with the same rehashed stuff, but I do take notice of it.)

Ditto

Thanks for the town read, but how am I "training" you?

Unknown I'm null on

On second thought I have no idea what Unknown is.

[Kovath]

That's what I thought, but does look suspicious AF

Already mentioned that exact point about Quick, it's like you copied what I said and changed the wording, great minds.

I also want to hear more from Talbo, it says he is reading the thread, but he only went quiet when things got serious. (I don't usually use reading the thread as reason to scum hunt, because sometimes people just don't know what to say, or how to formulate their opinions, or don't want to clutter the thread with the same rehashed stuff, but I do take notice of it.)

Ditto

Thanks for the town read, but how am I "training" you?

Unknown I'm null on

I wrote my post before seeing the replies that I had taken place earlier. It's already happened once this thread, so it's not like I'm pretending.

By training I meant that there is room for opportunistic scum to hop on with Quick against me to make themselves seem townier with little effort. Not getting that vibe from you at the moment but I am keenly aware of the possibility.

[Mesk514]

Hi,

So i'm going to just start off saying this... How does a comment such as this slide on by?


Funce, you seem wonderful. You won't die yet.

and then how does anyone allow him to add on this:


If you wanna fight about it, we can take this outside. I hate to warn you, it might get bloody.

The only person to comment was Funce, although they were directed at him his response was this:


you're gonna come down into the depths of being lynched with me.

Which is very odd because why would he say "with me"? In my opinion he's blatantly saying he's meant to be lynched.

___________


They keep saying it is RVS and they don't have to do anything. They wouldn't say that unless they wanted to play the long game.


I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P


Smart people tend to try and play for the long game, with that being said though, I don't know Funce. Day 1 lynch is always hit or miss, he does have a point. However if a smart play can be achieved if he slips through the cracks today because everyone dismisses him as a jester and ignores his future posts. don't annoy him, provoke him until he proves to you he's fully guilty or innocent. duh


___________


That's fine. We can lynch Kovath today and see how that goes. Lynch scum where you see 'em.

I mean, by this point he has made maybe less then 10 posts with very little content.. In this context you're agree with Firebringer that Funce is a good lynch in general and basically you're deadset on lynching kovath today... This is 100 posts into the game and you're already that confident on your read? some people haven't even spoken yet...

___________



Gut feelings are important but should be backed up by content. Relying on gut feelings to conduct lynches is not a pro-town way to play the game, so what I am requesting is that we begin moving in that direction.

This train also feels quite opportunistic, like scum are just swinging their way aboard to make themselves seem useful and productive.


This is probably the most accurate thing at the moment. I mean you Quick, you scum read someone based on these reasons:


I'm scum reading you because your reaction to other people calling you out, and you over explaining things. I also didn't have you as a hard scum read, since I wanted to see your further reactions and the way you handled things. This however has elevated you in my mind.

But really you're the only one to be putting pressure on Kovath from relatively nowhere. Again, you're entitled to believe that he's over defending himself, but what's he over defending himself from? the only person that's attacking him is you.

___________

Although I do not read Quick as scum, I think he's placing his pressure on the wrong people. There were far more shit posts he could have read into then just some nonsense and then the way they defended their nonsense.

I would really like to hear a lot more from unknown. My gut feeling says he's scum and my evidence is as the past has shown we cannot be on the same team because it's not meant to be...But really his lack of participation so far and his scummy comments....

[powerofdeath]

I want to restate this to everybody. I forgot about it.


Majority vote will be used. Not voting will count as Skip Day. Hammering does not lynch the person or end the day. Whoever have the most votes by 48 hours will be lynched. If more people doesnt vote over the Majority, the day will be skipped. Example 5 people didnt vote, 4 people voted Slaol, and 3 people voted Orpz. Day will be skipped.

Which means

12

Also, jester lynch does not end game.

[G4slight]

I wrote my post before seeing the replies that I had taken place earlier. It's already happened once this thread, so it's not like I'm pretending.

By training I meant that there is room for opportunistic scum to hop on with Quick against me to make themselves seem townier with little effort. Not getting that vibe from you at the moment but I am keenly aware of the possibility.

Thanks for explaining, never heard that phrase before. Your suspicions about me are noted, I do have you in my scum leans atm, but am still happy with my joke vote, until Talbo posts legit content, him and Funce both.

I think that I've gotten a lot of info on this path, not just from your reactions Kovath, but also from actions around the pressure, I'm content at also looking elsewhere as most the sites I've played at, on day 1, its most productive to have a couple competing lynch trains, to shake out the most info.

[Quick]

Titus, you want to point out where I caught Soren in MSII based on a confirm that would be wonderful.

[Mesk514]

Titus, you want to point out where I caught Soren in MSII based on a confirm that would be wonderful.

what relevance does this have?

[Kovath]

Thanks for explaining, never heard that phrase before. Your suspicions about me are noted, I do have you in my scum leans atm, but am still happy with my joke vote, until Talbo posts legit content, him and Funce both.

I think that I've gotten a lot of info on this path, not just from your reactions @Kovath (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=4273), but also from actions around the pressure, I'm content at also looking elsewhere as most the sites I've played at, on day 1, its most productive to have a couple competing lynch trains, to shake out the most info.

"Training" itself doesn't mean what I explained it as, that explanation was kinda like added implications that I tried to include by adding "opportunistic scum" in my original comment.

Your second comment make me feel better about my townread on you. This is Day 1, where gathering info is most important, and focusing on one person allows the scum to just sit by idly and blend in with the town. Of course, people should keep on me if they feel it's still yielding valuable info.

Townreading Mesk at the moment for her post. I am watching, though, for the fine line between critically analyzing Quick and buddying me.

[Quick]

what relevance does this have?

It just shows that I am not a bad scum hunter. Based on a confirm means that the host lists in the OP who has confirmed and who hasn't I caught a person as scum because of this.

[Mesk514]

It just shows that I am not a bad scum hunter. Based on a confirm means that the host lists in the OP who has confirmed and who hasn't I caught a person as scum because of this.

okay cool, but just because you were a pro scum hunter one game doesn't mean you're pro scum hunter this game. Please show us.

[Quick]

okay cool, but just because you were a pro scum hunter one game doesn't mean you're pro scum hunter this game. Please show us.

There was another game too. and another. I can link a few if you like. The game I played right before this I caught scum by the 11 post like I said. I'll only link if people don't believe me.

[G4slight]

"Training" itself doesn't mean what I explained it as, that explanation was kinda like added implications that I tried to include by adding "opportunistic scum" in my original comment.

Your second comment make me feel better about my townread on you. This is Day 1, where gathering info is most important, and focusing on one person allows the scum to just sit by idly and blend in with the town. Of course, people should keep on me if they feel it's still yielding valuable info.

Townreading Mesk at the moment for her post. I am watching, though, for the fine line between critically analyzing Quick and buddying me.
What about her post gave you townie vibes?

[Mesk514]

There was another game too. and another. I can link a few if you like. The game I played right before this I caught scum by the 11 post like I said. I'll only link if people don't believe me.

I really don't care to be honest.

[Quick]

There was another game too. and another. ([Edit] that I can remember off the top of my head) I can link a few if you like. The game I played right before this I caught scum by the 11 post like I said. I'll only link if people don't believe me.

ebwop

[Quick]

I really don't care to be honest.

Good, then feel free to throw a vote on Kov anytime.

[Mesk514]

Good, then feel free to throw a vote on Kov anytime.

Sorry, my opinion isn't the same as yours at the moment. I totally believe Unknown would be a better lynch if we had to decide at this moment. But we don't therefore i'm going to wait for other peoples comments.

[Quick]

Sorry, my opinion isn't the same as yours at the moment. I totally believe Unknown would be a better lynch if we had to decide at this moment. But we don't therefore i'm going to wait for other peoples comments.

Make your case on Unknown. That is prolly one of the worst lynches I can think of at this time.

[Kovath]

What about her post gave you townie vibes?

I liked her analysis for content even in some of the shitposts. She considered Funce's play critically in a way similar to mine but from a different angle. In general she seems to be productive and substantive with the content she's produced, though some of it has been mentioned before. She appears to be advocating for a more reason-based lynch to this day, which I think is the towny approach. Did she produce the most innovative post? Might she be kinda buddying me with her indirect defense? Possibly, but I think less likely.

I admit there probably is some slight bias due to coinciding on several reads and ideas, but it doesn't detract enough from the overall vibe I'm getting. (I'll also confess to some gut feeling on it as well).

[Quick]

I liked her analysis for content even in some of the shitposts. She considered Funce's play critically in a way similar to mine but from a different angle. In general she seems to be productive and substantive with the content she's produced, though some of it has been mentioned before. She appears to be advocating for a more reason-based lynch to this day, which I think is the towny approach. Did she produce the most innovative post? Might she be kinda buddying me with her indirect defense? Possibly, but I think less likely.

I admit there probably is some slight bias due to coinciding on several reads and ideas, but it doesn't detract enough from the overall vibe I'm getting. (I'll also confess to some gut feeling on it as well).

That's a really wishy washy town read........

[Mesk514]

Make your case on Unknown. That is prolly one of the worst lynches I can think of at this time.

I would argue not. The scummy comments & the AFKness is an appropriate reason to believe he at this moment is a better day 1 lynch than someone who only you view as scum for the time being. I also find it rather odd you're pressuring me and others to vote him up.

Anywhooooo, I'm going out to dinner cause I'm spoiled and i'm allowed to leave the kitchen every so often.
kbye

[Quick]

I would argue not. The scummy comments & the AFKness is an appropriate reason to believe he at this moment is a better day 1 lynch than someone who only you view as scum for the time being. I also find it rather odd you're pressuring me and others to vote him up.

Anywhooooo, I'm going out to dinner cause I'm spoiled and i'm allowed to leave the kitchen every so often.
kbye

What is scummy about his posts? be specific cuz I really don't see it. Unknown is like one of those guys you have to wait to read which is why I am not advocating for his lynch.

[Talboturbo]

Here's my two cents. I don't like to poke things in serious chat day 1 because I don't read very well. I generally do better once a major scandal has occurred (e.g. someone died.) as I feel like something has happened and I'm making actual claims based off some evidence that people leak in their posts. That's why I can be rather quiet and watch early on just to see who accuses who. But here's what I got so far, from my perspective:
Quick wants results, uses effective methods, good points. Slight town read.
Kovath, purely defensive or redirective chat, and some shitpost at the start that doesn't really mean anything (to me). Neutral
I can't see anything from Mesk514.
Firebringer likes my poem. Something about tunnels. Biased Neutral.
Funce clutters and makes light chat. Waste of space.
AIVION hasn't said a damn thing, but timezones. Might be asleep. Neutral.
ika, 4 hour drive. Nothing helpful. Neutral.
Titus. Something about moons. Neutral.
Gyrlander. Timezones, bm vote. Neutral.
Unknown1234. Is a rock, Neutral.
G4Slight. Solid joke vote, sound argument about duplicates. I like him. Slight town, mostly Neutral.

AS you can see, nothing very helpful from me. Do what you wish with it.

[G4slight]

I liked her analysis for content even in some of the shitposts. She considered Funce's play critically in a way similar to mine but from a different angle. In general she seems to be productive and substantive with the content she's produced, though some of it has been mentioned before. She appears to be advocating for a more reason-based lynch to this day, which I think is the towny approach. Did she produce the most innovative post? Might she be kinda buddying me with her indirect defense? Possibly, but I think less likely.

I admit there probably is some slight bias due to coinciding on several reads and ideas, but it doesn't detract enough from the overall vibe I'm getting. (I'll also confess to some gut feeling on it as well).

Agree but not to the extent that you seem to.

She seems to be more productive now, but I had actually had a slight scum lean on her after that big breakdown post, since she seemed to be calling out Unknown for lack of content, when her own content wasn't of the highest level. She has picked up her frequency to some degree and the posts seem to feel "solid" for lack of a better word. So I am more inclined to put her in the null to town category atm.

Also agree there seems to be a readiness for you to accept her, your acknowledging it is a null tell either way.

[G4slight]

Here's my two cents. I don't like to poke things in serious chat day 1 because I don't read very well. I generally do better once a major scandal has occurred (e.g. someone died.) as I feel like something has happened and I'm making actual claims based off some evidence that people leak in their posts. That's why I can be rather quiet and watch early on just to see who accuses who. But here's what I got so far, from my perspective:
Quick wants results, uses effective methods, good points. Slight town read.
Kovath, purely defensive or redirective chat, and some shitpost at the start that doesn't really mean anything (to me). Neutral
I can't see anything from Mesk514.
Firebringer likes my poem. Something about tunnels. Biased Neutral.
Funce clutters and makes light chat. Waste of space.
AIVION hasn't said a damn thing, but timezones. Might be asleep. Neutral.
ika, 4 hour drive. Nothing helpful. Neutral.
Titus. Something about moons. Neutral.
Gyrlander. Timezones, bm vote. Neutral.
Unknown1234. Is a rock, Neutral.
G4Slight. Solid joke vote, sound argument about duplicates. I like him. Slight town, mostly Neutral.

AS you can see, nothing very helpful from me. Do what you wish with it.

I like this post and here is why

1. agree with reading on Quick, (However this was made after a consensus of active players said they have a townie read on him.
2. Kovath read is in line with my own, however I am leaning scum on him
3. Mesk, to me is null to town, so a null reading on her is fine, I can see why you'd have it, but would like a more substantive reason as to why it's null, since she has posted enough to analyze somewhat.
4. Firebringer is null to me also, but he seems fun to have in a game
5. Agreed on Funce, he needs to come back in with actual game play posts or he is a waste of space
6-the rest. agreed you can't read those who don't post.
7. I like your handling of my joke vote and your explanation as to why you haven't posted. However, when you take time to read and not post, I expect more from your posts than just what you've given atm.

What I don't like about the post

No scum reads, it seems you are playing it safe there. The only people who benefit from playing it safe this early is the scum, since they don't want to raise any suspicion. I'm moving you into my null-to scum category at this time.

Also the "nothing very helpful" thing seems like a cop out.

But all in all there is more to like than dislike so I would like to see more from you.

[G4slight]

Night everyone, last post from me until tomorrow evening, I will try and check in from mobile and post if it's urgent or super relevant.

[Kovath]

Agree but not to the extent that you seem to.

She seems to be more productive now, but I had actually had a slight scum lean on her after that big breakdown post, since she seemed to be calling out Unknown for lack of content, when her own content wasn't of the highest level. She has picked up her frequency to some degree and the posts seem to feel "solid" for lack of a better word. So I am more inclined to put her in the null to town category atm.

Also agree there seems to be a readiness for you to accept her, your acknowledging it is a null tell either way.

Part of it was that she is really stepping up her game after the previous one I played with her. Not to cast shade, but this is a vast improvement on that one which I greatly appreciate. I feel like if she was scum she could have stayed out of the main discussion and made it through to the next day. Also, I don't think that calling out someone for lack of content in one's first major point is hypocritical as long as the stream of content continues to a reasonable degree.

For Quick: I don't see how my read was "wishy-washy". I made my points as to why I currently have townie vibes from her, admitted potential limitations and counterarguments to my read, but considered them less likely / impactful and thus ultimately affirmed my read.

[ika]

4 pages.... Fun.

I'll get to this tommorw night at latest. I just areived at hotel

[Titus]

I like this post and here is why

1. agree with reading on Quick, (However this was made after a consensus of active players said they have a townie read on him.
2. Kovath read is in line with my own, however I am leaning scum on him
3. Mesk, to me is null to town, so a null reading on her is fine, I can see why you'd have it, but would like a more substantive reason as to why it's null, since she has posted enough to analyze somewhat.
4. Firebringer is null to me also, but he seems fun to have in a game
5. Agreed on Funce, he needs to come back in with actual game play posts or he is a waste of space
6-the rest. agreed you can't read those who don't post.
7. I like your handling of my joke vote and your explanation as to why you haven't posted. However, when you take time to read and not post, I expect more from your posts than just what you've given atm.

What I don't like about the post

No scum reads, it seems you are playing it safe there. The only people who benefit from playing it safe this early is the scum, since they don't want to raise any suspicion. I'm moving you into my null-to scum category at this time.

Also the "nothing very helpful" thing seems like a cop out.

But all in all there is more to like than dislike so I would like to see more from you.

Huh? Do you like this post or not? You're complaining about this guy fenceshitting and now you are.

[Mesk514]

What is scummy about his posts? be specific cuz I really don't see it. Unknown is like one of those guys you have to wait to read which is why I am not advocating for his lynch.

Please read post #156 as it details both of his comments. The fact that you didn't notice that I had actually posted my opinions and reads before really shows me how much you paid attention seeing as other people have been talking about it.

I think it's really important that we discuss Unknown and his comments as they gave no relevance, no insight and were just plain scummy.


Agree but not to the extent that you seem to.

She seems to be more productive now, but I had actually had a slight scum lean on her after that big breakdown post, since she seemed to be calling out Unknown for lack of content, when her own content wasn't of the highest level.

The difference between Unknown and I is that I decided to start by giving my reads and my opinions about what I have already read Vs. Unknown who came in, placed a policy vote, said 2 very scummy comments and then fucked off.

Forgive me if I, like Talboturbo, don't read people very well right of the back, I gain most of insight from observing other peoples interactions. I will make my own observations once I feel like I really have an idea of what's going on, which will definitely be a little later on in the day, but for now you'll have to deal with what I've observed so far. Sorry!!!!

I also find it ironic you say my post gives very little to no insight on anything when you seem to have more pros than cons on Talboturbos reads. Pros being you and him seemingly have the same reads for EVERYONE who has spoken so far. Cons being he didn't give any reads.
You also move him to null because you thought his post made him seem like a cop out... but since you agree with all his points I guess you think that everyone but Quick is null, right?

[AIVION]

Ah, this finally started.

I shall play catch-up tonight since I just got off work and about to go to bed.

Til then people!

[Unknown1234]

Let me comment here: if you decide to look at the other game, I am also unable to do a huge amount of posting because I am slightly hey, but I am here, and I will be more available as of today (ish)

[Unknown1234]

I would argue not. The scummy comments & the AFKness is an appropriate reason to believe he at this moment is a better day 1 lynch than someone who only you view as scum for the time being. I also find it rather odd you're pressuring me and others to vote him up.

Anywhooooo, I'm going out to dinner cause I'm spoiled and i'm allowed to leave the kitchen every so often.
kbye

I like your reasoning. Take it up with AIVION who just got here more recently.

[Unknown1234]

We need 12/12 votes to get a lynch?? Did I miss something? Because votes are impossible right now

[Gyrlander]

Oh God. Could votes be more spread?? I'll read and post in about some minutes/ hours :P

[Unknown1234]

Anyone else who knows MESK think that she is trying a lot harder then usual this game? Seems suspicious...

[G4slight]

Huh? Do you like this post or not? You're complaining about this guy fenceshitting and now you are.

I like more about the post then I dislike, as I can see why he got the reads that he did, however it read like he was playing it safe. Which yes is me mentioning his fencesitting, more so to get something concrete from him

[Gyrlander]

We need 12/12 votes to get a lynch?? Did I miss something? Because votes are impossible right now

The person that has the most votes when the day ends gets lynched. If 51% of the people don't vote the day is skipped.

[Unknown1234]

The person that has the most votes when the day ends gets lynched. If 51% of the people don't vote the day is skipped.

Sorry, forgot about that rule and didn't see when it changed.

[Mesk514]

Anyone else who knows MESK think that she is trying a lot harder then usual this game? Seems suspicious...

bite me.

I'll participate when I want.

[Mesk514]

Let me comment here: if you decide to look at the other game, I am also unable to do a huge amount of posting because I am slightly hey, but I am here, and I will be more available as of today (ish)

....don't sign up for two games at once then.... you & I both know you signed up for this one first.....

[Unknown1234]

....don't sign up for two games at once then.... you & I both know you signed up for this one first.....

I'll do what I want, get used to it.

When I have more time I'll do more reads on everyone, but Voting me for being 'Inactive' is not a good starting plan.

Never said I didn't, but Fire understands. and I am going to continue with both

[Mesk514]

I'll do what I want, get used to it.

When I have more time I'll do more reads on everyone, but Voting me for being 'Inactive' is not a good starting plan.

Never said I didn't, but Fire understands. and I am going to continue with both

I didn't vote you for being inactive. CAN ANYBODY READ? I vote you cause the scummy comments then the inactiveness. You should't fuck off after dropping some shade like you did to Funce. For Day1 it's clearly a better start then what Quick is going after....

Everyone here is guilty until proven innocent.

[Unknown1234]

Hi,

So i'm going to just start off saying this... How does a comment such as this slide on by?



and then how does anyone allow him to add on this:



The only person to comment was Funce, although they were directed at him his response was this:



Which is very odd because why would he say "with me"? In my opinion he's blatantly saying he's meant to be lynched.

___________






Smart people tend to try and play for the long game, with that being said though, I don't know Funce. Day 1 lynch is always hit or miss, he does have a point. However if a smart play can be achieved if he slips through the cracks today because everyone dismisses him as a jester and ignores his future posts. don't annoy him, provoke him until he proves to you he's fully guilty or innocent. duh


___________



I mean, by this point he has made maybe less then 10 posts with very little content.. In this context you're agree with Firebringer that Funce is a good lynch in general and basically you're deadset on lynching kovath today... This is 100 posts into the game and you're already that confident on your read? some people haven't even spoken yet...

___________




This is probably the most accurate thing at the moment. I mean you Quick, you scum read someone based on these reasons:



But really you're the only one to be putting pressure on Kovath from relatively nowhere. Again, you're entitled to believe that he's over defending himself, but what's he over defending himself from? the only person that's attacking him is you.

___________

Although I do not read Quick as scum, I think he's placing his pressure on the wrong people. There were far more shit posts he could have read into then just some nonsense and then the way they defended their nonsense.

I would really like to hear a lot more from unknown. My gut feeling says he's scum and my evidence is as the past has shown we cannot be on the same team because it's not meant to be...But really his lack of participation so far and his scummy comments....

Maybe we can't be on the team, but that doesn't mean you are the town one. Your gut feeling is that I had two very "scummy comments" and your super confident I am not on your side. So tel me, you want to hear more from me because of my lack of comments, but there are certainly more people who have participated less than me (one comment). So MESK, you also say that he shouldn't vote Kovath because of having a 'confident read' on someone within 100 posts, but your doing the exact same thing as he is with me, using very false arguments such as 'we have never been on the same team' so if your going to scum read me off of that, go for it. I can feel your instincts slipping.... Bleeding a little? I don't know why your hung up on the very early posts of the game because you yourself said it is too early to make good Lynches that way. Care to comment on this?

[Unknown1234]

I didn't vote you for being inactive. CAN ANYBODY READ? I vote you cause the scummy comments then the inactiveness. You should't fuck off after dropping some shade like you did to Funce. For Day1 it's clearly a better start then what Quick is going after....

Everyone here is guilty until proven innocent.

The death comment is a joke, no one is that dumb to post a "I like you, I won't kill you" post in 5 minutes. Also, if I want to sleep, I will thank you very much. If you don't like it, I could not care less.

[G4slight]

Please read post #156 as it details both of his comments. The fact that you didn't notice that I had actually posted my opinions and reads before really shows me how much you paid attention seeing as other people have been talking about it.

I think it's really important that we discuss Unknown and his comments as they gave no relevance, no insight and were just plain scummy.



The difference between Unknown and I is that I decided to start by giving my reads and my opinions about what I have already read Vs. Unknown who came in, placed a policy vote, said 2 very scummy comments and then fucked off.

Forgive me if I, like Talboturbo, don't read people very well right of the back, I gain most of insight from observing other peoples interactions. I will make my own observations once I feel like I really have an idea of what's going on, which will definitely be a little later on in the day, but for now you'll have to deal with what I've observed so far. Sorry!!!!

I also find it ironic you say my post gives very little to no insight on anything when you seem to have more pros than cons on Talboturbos reads. Pros being you and him seemingly have the same reads for EVERYONE who has spoken so far. Cons being he didn't give any reads.
You also move him to null because you thought his post made him seem like a cop out... but since you agree with all his points I guess you think that everyone but Quick is null, right?


First of all, if you'd continue to read about my point towards you, is I find that you have stepped up your posting and you were on my null to town read. Which isn't as strong as a town lean, but reading your posts have given me enough to feel good about you.

I do find it interesting however that you seem almost full throated in your defense of Talbo, going so far as to link yourself to him, and his play style.

Again I broke down Talbo's post and said what I agreed on, I get more of a townie not wanting to make mistakes vibe from all his nulls, and no scum leans, than I do mafia trying to buddy buddy, but if the behavior continues it can be a detriment to the town either way.

Also no I don't believe everyone but quick is null

Town lean:

Quick

Null to town:

Mesk

Null:

All the inactives
Talbo
Firebringer
Titus

Null to scum:

Kovath
Funce

[Mesk514]

Maybe we can't be on the team, but that doesn't mean you are the town one. Your gut feeling is that I had two very "scummy comments" and your super confident I am not on your side. So tel me, you want to hear more from me because of my lack of comments, but there are certainly more people who have participated less than me (one comment). So MESK, you also say that he shouldn't vote Kovath because of having a 'confident read' on someone within 100 posts, but your doing the exact same thing as he is with me, using very false arguments such as 'we have never been on the same team' so if your going to scum read me off of that, go for it. I can feel your instincts slipping.... Bleeding a little? I don't know why your hung up on the very early posts of the game because you yourself said it is too early to make good Lynches that way. Care to comment on this?

I guess you woke up with a stick up your ass today... you sound very anal.
It's not my gut feeling that you're scum, that was more a joke based on the context. A rather shitty joke though, so I understand.
You know I know what timezone you're in, this game started at what 9? I'm sorry I forgot you had bedtime at 12:30 because of the parental controls. The only people who really only made 1 post and fucked off what Gyrlander, and he said he was going to bed, so your argument there is invalid.


I can feel your instincts slipping.... Bleeding a little?

I really can't tell if this is a really bad menstruation joke, or if you're referencing the setup. If you're referencing the setup, you must need to go back and reread cause that's not how that works.

Let me clear this up... You're my policy lynch right? K so I vote you for no reason, you vote me back for no reason. You decide to dedicate your first couple of posts to throwing shade, while I dedicate mine to trying to be more productive. You have given me no reasons to remove my vote, just as Quick has given me no reason to vote Kovath. Until you give me some content that gives me other information I will not remove my policy lynch as you have given me no reason to think you're innocent.

Funny how I'm the one who has to tell you to post content.

[Mesk514]

I find that you have stepped up your posting


You can all stop commenting on the fact that I stepped up my game, or i'll go back to shit posting. It's rather annoying.

[G4slight]

Unknown can now be moved from my "all of the innactives" his response to mesk's pressure seems like a squirm more than an actual explanation. He's still null for me but starting to ping my scumdar.

Posting from mobile atm so forgive any bad grammar or bad spelling.

[G4slight]

You can all stop commenting on the fact that I stepped up my game, or i'll go back to shit posting. It's rather annoying.


It wasn't a compliment, it was just part of my reasoning for having you null to town, which you are continuing to ignore and are only commenting on my initial scum vibe of you.

[Mesk514]

It wasn't a compliment, it was just part of my reasoning for having you null to town, which you are continuing to ignore and are only commenting on my initial scum vibe of you.

Sorry your scum read must of been so shit I missed it.. can you please reinstate your your opinion or give me the post ##
k thanks.

[Titus]

you got to give me credit for fighting that one to the bitter end though.

Yup. Tbh, that was my best town game ever.

[Titus]

Mesk is lean town.

He should join us on the town wagon of win.

[G4slight]

Sorry your scum read must of been so shit I missed it.. can you please reinstate your your opinion or give me the post ##
k thanks.



Said you were null to scum initially since you called out unknown for lack of posts, and post quality and your own posts and post quality weren't that great. But after that post you really stepped up your posting game and I found you te be more null to town then null to scum.

But you did quote it so I doubt my read was shit, just your retention ability :p

[Mesk514]

He should join us on the town wagon of win.

I have a vagina.

[Mesk514]

Said you were null to scum initially since you called out unknown for lack of posts, and post quality and your own posts and post quality weren't that great. But after that post you really stepped up your posting game and I found you te be more null to town then null to scum.

But you did quote it so I doubt my read was shit, just your retention ability :p

whatever, I'll take the null to town read.

My mention ability is pretty on point actually, sorry if I was more thinking you had better content somewhere to support your arguments.

[Gyrlander]

Players that I have a read on them: Mesk - Seems a little tryhard after she got PEW PEW PEW'd. Town inspiration (kawaii)

Funce: I don't really have anything to say. He just have erratic votes and makes fun of everyone!?!??! Dumb or mafia. I'll vote him as I think he's scummy than little FireBringer :__)

Funce

[Unknown1234]

I apologize in advance that most of my posts are on my phone. I will make more posts when I am with my computer later. Also, it wasn't just GYRL, it's also AIVION and Ika.

[Quick]

I think mesk is town. I've never seen someone that bitchy as scum tbh.

[Quick]

Town:
Talboturbo
Mesk514

Town lean:
Titus
Firebringer
G4slight

Null:
AIVION
Ika
Gyrlander
Unknown1234

Scum Lean:
Funce

Scum:
Kovath

[Quick]

Yup. Tbh, that was my best town game ever.

Yeah, you really nailed us in that one.

[Quick]

Please read post #156 as it details both of his comments. The fact that you didn't notice that I had actually posted my opinions and reads before really shows me how much you paid attention seeing as other people have been talking about it.

I think it's really important that we discuss Unknown and his comments as they gave no relevance, no insight and were just plain scummy.

I did read your comments on Unknown's post and I tried to analyze those posts and didn't get anything scummy or townie out of them, just got the impression that he was taking it easy.

[Firebringer]

Town lean:

Quick

Null to town:

Mesk

Null:

All the inactives
Talbo
Firebringer
Titus

Null to scum:

Kovath
Funce

How am I in the "Inactive" section when I am in top 4 posters? I am only two posts behind yourself....

[Firebringer]

Town:
Talboturbo
Mesk514

Town lean:
Titus
Firebringer
G4slight

Null:
AIVION
Ika
Gyrlander
Unknown1234

Scum Lean:
Funce

Scum:
Kovath

Id move Gyrlander to scum lean.

We really need more from AIVION and Ika though.
Really not enough to go off them.

Otherwise I like this reads list.

[Firebringer]

And I have descended into the lurking.
This is horrid.

Funce But we love you anyways.

[G4slight]

How am I in the "Inactive" section when I am in top 4 posters? I am only two posts behind yourself....

You aren't in the innactive section. I meant that all the innactives I had a null read on, I didn't list them by name just as innactives.

You, Talbo, and Titus are all null along those who haven't posted enough for me to read.

[Firebringer]

Quick can you explain why you said in post (I think 148) That Unknown wasn't scum, but now you have in your reads list him being null?
I still don't understand that, I don't think its inconsistency, but it feels odd.

Any particular reasons you think he would be a bad lynch or just think Kovath is better?


Also, why the HELL AM I UP SO EARLY!?!?!?
I should go back to sleep.

[Firebringer]

You aren't in the innactive section. I meant that all the innactives I had a null read on, I didn't list them by name just as innactives.

You, Talbo, and Titus are all null along those who haven't posted enough for me to read.

Okay? Its just, I have posted quite a bit. Quite more so than those other two, but Ika, Titus, and Gyrlander I think are the most inactive with actual posting.

Whatever, I am splitting hairs.

Thoughts on Gyrlander?

Also on bacon?

[G4slight]

Also, hate to detract from gameplay, but it's driving me crazy, what do the symbols mean under usernames?

[G4slight]

Okay? Its just, I have posted quite a bit. Quite more so than those other two, but Ika, Titus, and Gyrlander I think are the most inactive with actual posting.

Whatever, I am splitting hairs.

Thoughts on Gyrlander?

Also on bacon?



Agreed you've posted a lot, however your still on my null list.

Grylander seemed to slide in an easy, however understandable vote on Funce, I find Grylander to still be considered inactive for me, would like to see a lot more from them since substantial activity has actually happened.

Love bacon 100%

[Firebringer]

Agreed you've posted a lot, however your still on my null list.

Grylander seemed to slide in an easy, however understandable vote on Funce, I find Grylander to still be considered inactive for me, would like to see a lot more from them since substantial activity has actually happened.

Love bacon 100%

My question on bacon had a purpose
Do you think I should make bacon for breakfast this morning?

[G4slight]

My question on bacon had a purpose
Do you think I should make bacon for breakfast this morning?


If you have the opportunity to, and also it doesn't inconvenience you to do so, and you fail to, I think I'd move you to my scum list :p but yeah it's a good choice.

i think I'll do a reread in a bit. Weathers bad here so driving back in from work, and I want to take all the activity into context and see if I missed anything.

[Quick]

Quick can you explain why you said in post (I think 148) That Unknown wasn't scum, but now you have in your reads list him being null?
I still don't understand that, I don't think its inconsistency, but it feels odd.

Any particular reasons you think he would be a bad lynch or just think Kovath is better?


Also, why the HELL AM I UP SO EARLY!?!?!?
I should go back to sleep.

Originally I was going based on the fact that Kovath said he was scum, but then I actually looked at Unknowns posts and realized it was null.

Like I explained earlier (in a bit different way) I think Unknown is the type that will sort out his alignment by itself given Town is somewhat competent. I think if Unknown is scum it will be apparent given some time. That's why I don't think they are a good lynch today where as Kovath can argue his way out of things making it difficult to lynch him based on initial impression.

[Quick]

Also, hate to detract from gameplay, but it's driving me crazy, what do the symbols mean under usernames?

Its based on post count, and some other site type stuff. I figured out that the grey little things are based on post count, but the glowy things are based on other stuff, like if you are a donator to the site and stuff.

[Unknown1234]

I will be back in 3 hours, and I will be posting how I feel on some of these posts.

Please be patient (MESK) I am busy and I cannot control that sometimes.

[Quick]

How do I ISO people on this site?

[G4slight]

titus

about to gon a 4 hr dirve posting will be limited next 3 days

I already said I didn't like this, but just bringing it up again.


Why vote then? Completely pointless at that point.



Quick, ika always votes me. Him not tunnelling me is a scumclaim. I am hated in a town!ika or scum;ika trying world.

Kovath

So Ika always votes Titus, when he doesn't tunnel it's a scum claim, but he always votes whether town or scum. Also the use of the word tunneling usually indicates more so interactions like what's happened with Kovath, tunneling is dangerous as it gives scum room to hide if they aren't the ones being tunneled on. It also suffocates discussion on other viable lynch targets.


4 pages.... Fun.

I'll get to this tommorw night at latest. I just areived at hotel

And this is the only other post Ika has made up to this point.

I'm comfortable moving him from null to null to scum.

[G4slight]

Also hope you enjoy my fun with quotes

[Gyrlander]

I would go for the basic most active posters are town, but since from last game Duck did talk a lot and was scum at the end, I can't say they're town.

Quick, to ISO people you have to go to Ongoing Games and click the number of posts. Then a little window will appear with the number of posts each member has posted. Click the number and you will able to read them :P

[G4slight]

Quick, ika always votes me. Him not tunnelling me is a scumclaim. I am hated in a town!ika or scum;ika trying world.

Kovath


Making excuses for Ika, or giving us insight as to a little bit of interplay, either way, I've given my thoughts on the way this read to me above.


Ok, I just don't find it weird knowing our history. It's null.

Again, reaffirming Ika's stance, I tie it in with my response to the first quote.


Kovath can die now.

Hi Toothless!

At this time Kovath seemed like the popular place to vote or cast some suspicion, can be seen as an opportunistic nudge.


Kovath you are scum, because the moon says so. :-p


No reason beyond he's scum not reacting to pressure well. You need more than that?


Oh Fire, a lady never posts and tells the first day. ;)


I've already addressed this yesterday.




There is not going to be an extended period. Days last 2 IRL days.

Correcting a player's false assumption, usually a townie thing to do.


Kov, you are aware that Quick is damn near conftown right? What are your other reads?


Yeah I knew within five posts this wasn't your group scum game in Sudoken.

Again, myself and others have agreed that Quick is playing super pro town, but nowhere is he conf town.


Huh? Do you like this post or not? You're complaining about this guy fenceshitting and now you are.

Misstepped my post, usually a scum tell, but could be genuine misunderstanding, either way Titus never responded to my clarification.



Mesk is lean town.

He should join us on the town wagon of win.


I also find Mesk as null to town, but it seems like Titus is going for buddying on the loud townies that people are kind of already agreeing with, also not giving any kind of example or reason as to why.

Titus, lean scum.

[Quick]

Quick, to ISO people you have to go to Ongoing Games and click the number of posts. Then a little window will appear with the number of posts each member has posted. Click the number and you will able to read them :P

Thanks. Next question. Is there a setting I can do that gives quote in quote?

[G4slight]

I'm the fucking sexiest pikachu in the world. Now, if you excuse me, I have to go to sleep BYE

Firebringer

Joke vote is null here since most people were spamming up to this point.


Oh God. Could votes be more spread?? I'll read and post in about some minutes/ hours :P

Check in fluff post, seems unnecessary to post, slight ping on the scumdar.


The person that has the most votes when the day ends gets lynched. If 51% of the people don't vote the day is skipped.

Again player correcting a misconception slight town ping.


Players that I have a read on them: Mesk - Seems a little tryhard after she got PEW PEW PEW'd. Town inspiration (kawaii)

Funce: I don't really have anything to say. He just have erratic votes and makes fun of everyone!?!??! Dumb or mafia. I'll vote him as I think he's scummy than little FireBringer :__)

Funce

Can agree with the Funce vote, and I've commented on this post already. However I would like to comment on the meta reasoning, I've seen people does this other than Grylander, and I for one don't care for it, especially if a player didn't participate or follow the "last game" the logic will just kinda fall flat on them. Meta is a fine thing for a person to use to start a potential investigation or a breakdown, but shouldn't be used as evidence or reason to dismiss another persons' case.


I would go for the basic most active posters are town, but since from last game Duck did talk a lot and was scum at the end, I can't say they're town.

Quick, to ISO people you have to go to Ongoing Games and click the number of posts. Then a little window will appear with the number of posts each member has posted. Click the number and you will able to read them :P

So basically, "Active people are usually town, but a scum was active last game so I'm not sure" I am paraphrasing if I reworded that incorrectly feel free to correct me. Seems like another fluff post

Null to scum read atm.

[Gyrlander]

Thanks. Next question. Is there a setting I can do that gives quote in quote?

I guess you just have to write the
Lol this msg
Hello[./QUOTE] [./QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Lol this msg[QUOTE]Hello

[Quick]

I guess you just have to write the [QUOTE]Lol this msg[QUOTE]Hello[./QUOTE] [./QUOTE]

check.

Bummer. Quote in quote can be pretty freaking useful :/

[G4slight]

So without all my null to scum, scum lean, scum, null to town, town lean, town reading's I'm just going to make another more black and white list as to people who are either town/Null/Scum

TOWN

Mesk
Quick

Null

Firebringer
Grylander
Unknown
Avion
Talbo

SCUM

Kovath
Titus
Fence
Ika

[Gyrlander]

Joke vote is null here since most people were spamming up to this point.



Check in fluff post, seems unnecessary to post, slight ping on the scumdar.
ALREADY WITH THE FLUFF? Please, don't start saying everything I post is fluff, it is really annoying that people talk like that about your beautiful posts // At that time I woke up, read and said "Hey, I'm going to say something to make people know I'm here!"



Again player correcting a misconception slight town ping.
I'm a very good person ♥



Can agree with the Funce vote, and I've commented on this post already. However I would like to comment on the meta reasoning, I've seen people does this other than Grylander, and I for one don't care for it, especially if a player didn't participate or follow the "last game" the logic will just kinda fall flat on them. Meta is a fine thing for a person to use to start a potential investigation or a breakdown, but shouldn't be used as evidence or reason to dismiss another persons' case.
I haven't put Mesk into the "must be town" pile. I just said what my first impressions are. They will probably change later on.



So basically, "Active people are usually town, but a scum was active last game so I'm not sure" I am paraphrasing if I reworded that incorrectly feel free to correct me. Seems like another fluff post
LEAVE MA FLUFFF

Null to scum read atm.

Wow, I'm surprised you just did an ISO about me with only 4 posts.

[Quick]

So without all my null to scum, scum lean, scum, null to town, town lean, town reading's I'm just going to make another more black and white list as to people who are either town/Null/Scum

TOWN

Mesk
Quick

Null

Firebringer
Grylander
Unknown
Avion
Talbo

SCUM

Kovath
Titus
Fence
Ika

I am not seeing anything condemning about Ika and Titus, but this could very well be due to you not knowing the history between these people. I've played with both on a different site, so I am a little bit more willing to believe the interrelation between the two. Titus did say something that I am watching closely though. There is a reason why Titus isn't in my hard town list, but so far she is either Null or Town lean for me. I don't want to give her too much credit this early cuz I know Titus has a mean scum game. Ika is just Null right now because I can't say I see anything super sus at this point and AFAIK Ika has a pretty scummy meta.

[Gyrlander]

I just wrote a quote before the "QUOTE=Quick;602 blah blah blah"
[QUOTE=Gyrlander;602241]I guess you just have to write the [QUOTE]Lol this msg

check.

Bummer. Quote in quote can be pretty freaking useful :/

test 222

[Quick]

[QUOTE] I just wrote a quote before the "QUOTE=Quick;602 blah blah blah"[QUOTE=Quick;602242]

test 222

LOL

[Titus]

Where is the clarification I missed?

[Quick]

Where is the clarification I missed?

This looks really ambiguous even though I know its about something specific. What are you referencing?

[G4slight]

I am not seeing anything condemning about Ika and Titus, but this could very well be due to you not knowing the history between these people. I've played with both on a different site, so I am a little bit more willing to believe the interrelation between the two. Titus did say something that I am watching closely though. There is a reason why Titus isn't in my hard town list, but so far she is either Null or Town lean for me. I don't want to give her too much credit this early cuz I know Titus has a mean scum game. Ika is just Null right now because I can't say I see anything super sus at this point and AFAIK Ika has a pretty scummy meta.

I was just taking out my leanings and placing people in a more concrete category. I still stand by my null to towns and null to scums etc, but this is just a snapshot, of if I had to pick one of the solid three categories, this is where I would place people.

[Quick]

OK Town, If I am right about Kovath (which I think I am) I will likely die tonight. I haven't figured out a way to do a will yet and it is very important that I can make a will, but be aware that it could very well be changed given one of the possible Mafia roles. Almost everyone (if not everyone) who has given a read on me has said I am town. This means I have a really good chance of dying tonight. If I am right about Kovath and he doesn't get lynched today and I die tomorrow, please take a really good look at him tomorrow.

[Mesk514]

I apologize in advance that most of my posts are on my phone. I will make more posts when I am with my computer later. Also, it wasn't just GYRL, it's also AIVION and Ika.

Aivion never posted i don't think at the time, Ika said he was busy travelling... Gyrl said he was going to bed... Jesus....I'm not gonna argue why I, at the moment, keep my policy lynch on you. You haven't done anything to change my mind but say hi and bye like 5 times...it's not appropriate town behaviour to shitpost unproductive comments. Believe me, I know first hand. If you are town you better start advocating yourself properly at least while you're online, because I'm not gonna tolerate your shenanigans of popping in here and there until you can sheep yourself onto someone.


Players that I have a read on them: Mesk - Seems a little tryhard after she got PEW PEW PEW'd. Town inspiration (kawaii)


What's wrong with being a try hard? PTB is my inspiration, I learnt everything I know about trying hard from him.


I think mesk is town. I've never seen someone that bitchy as scum tbh.

Thank you :)


Town:
Talboturbo
Mesk514

Town lean:
Titus
Firebringer
G4slight

Null:
AIVION
Ika
Gyrlander
Unknown1234

Scum Lean:
Funce

Scum:
Kovath

this:
1-Talboturbo's scum read list could be compared to Funces plays as they both are completely fluffy and vague. Sure, he gave his opinions but his opinion was literally everyone neutral except for yourself.
2-If Funce were to give an actual read as opposed to wasting precious text post space would you reconsider?
3-It really bothers me that your argument for voting Kovath is so weak.
4-So because titus has actually said something and it was pro you she's a town lean?
5-Like Firebringer mentioned, how do you have Unknown under Null if you're going to advocate for him. You shouldn't defend someone unless you truly believe they're innocent, or atleast innocent for the moment.
6*- G4slight slides in with a list that pretty much summarizes everyones general opinion more than gives his own opinion. Thoughts?



OK Town, If I am right about Kovath (which I think I am) I will likely die tonight. I haven't figured out a way to do a will yet and it is very important that I can make a will, but be aware that it could very well be changed given one of the possible Mafia roles. Almost everyone (if not everyone) who has given a read on me has said I am town. This means I have a really good chance of dying tonight. If I am right about Kovath and he doesn't get lynched today and I die tomorrow, please take a really good look at him tomorrow.

I'm not going to argue with you whether I believe you are town or not at the moment, regardless I think you're wrong.
You're pushing a lynch on someone based on his defence 100 posts into the game even though he did produce some sort of content.

I'm not going to explain my leans as at the moment I still have questions, and I still want to see a certain interaction first & listen to the AFK people.

[Firebringer]

I really like the new Mesk.
Maybe she will make me submit to her ;)

[AIVION]

Alright, woke up recently and just got done catching up. This is where my read list lies so far from what I've seen:

Town:
Quick
G4slight
Mesk


Town lean:
Firebringer


Null:
Titus
ika
Gyrlander
Talboturbo

Scum lean:
Unknown
Kovath

Scum:
Funce
Kovath

Not liking Kovath's early interactions. His self-defense felt a bit premature and everything after that felt really fake, sort of like a scum trying to appear as town... example posts are #141 and #171. Overall it's really hard to see him actually appear town to me after what I've seen of him.

Unknown was null when I was first going through, but as soon as he started going at it with Mesk he starts to appear a bit scummy to me... example posts are #181 and #196 where he's trying to use meta to throw shade on a player who's actively scum-reading him... this is NOT a pro-town move in any sort of way.

Funce in general is just... Blargh. Nothing but Troll posts and fluff all the way through. He even actively admits he's lurking on #151... I personally feel like #110 is his worst post though... His play was inexcusable to me... No town should have to wait for people to interact with him in order to actively contribute, as he stated in #110. Nothing wrong with trying to settle into a game, but you're doing it in the worst kind of way possible.

I also want to note that I want to see more from: Gyrlander (I am happy to see you're actually gonna try and instead not sheep... *thumbs up*), Talboturbo (He reminds me of my first few FM games, and I really feel like he can really provide good insight to the town if he just tries.)

So yea, on that note:

Funce

[AIVION]

On that note, I shall be on and off most of today since I have to prepare for work and have a family to take care of.

[Titus]

This looks really ambiguous even though I know its about something specific. What are you referencing?
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