S-FM 188: Iluminati???

[MattZed]

WELCOME TO ILLUMiNΔTI???

Quick Links:
Link to Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35287-S-FM-Illuminati?)
Day 1 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35506-S-FM-188-Iluminati?p=579704#post579704)
Night 1 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35506-S-FM-188-Iluminati?p=580602#post580602)
Day 2 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35506-S-FM-188-Iluminati?p=580989#post580989)
Night 2 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35506-S-FM-188-Iluminati?p=581670#post581670)
Day 3 Start (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35506-S-FM-188-Iluminati?p=582146#post582146)
Game End Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35506-S-FM-188-Iluminati?p=582146#post582146)

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Players:
1. Fire Viking (Firebringer+RLVG)
2. Borderline Crazy Dealers (BananaCucho+Calix+DarknessB)
3. KanyeBella (Gyrlander+Mody633)
4. FYRE
5. Dracule Magahnimarhawke (Slaol+Gerik+Takumi)
6. Funcall (Funce+Mikecall)
7. Impulse Hammer (ika+SilverWolf+Helz)
8. GoatseOnTheCupboard
9. Rintarou (AIVION+Secondpassing)

[MattZed]

IT IS NOW DAY 1.

July 4th, 1981

Clothier, VA, was a quiet small town just a 30-minute commute from the nation's capital. There had been some strange disappearances lately that the news media was ignoring. But why? It seems that the DC mafia was trying to expand their territory. Or perhaps something more sinister was underway; about a year ago, a similar event had occurred in a town just a few miles down the road. Was this merely a coincidence?



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Living Players:
Fire Viking
Borderline Crazy Dealers
KanyeBella
FYRE
Dracule Magahnimarhawke
Funcall
Impulse Hammer
GoatseOnTheCupboard
Rintarou

Dead Players:
No one... yet.





Day 1 Ends at 11:00 PM PDT April 7th. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+long+until+11PM+PDT+April+7%3F)
02:00:00:00

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[Fire Viking]

Hey guys, this is Fire Viking here to say, we are 100% not town.

-Fire


ohh we need to do RVS:

Rintarou

[Rintarou]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OCn_nVDrTM

[Rintarou]

GoatseOntheCupboard

You should sheep me, not vote me you infidel!.

[Fire Viking]

I really want to watch some episodes on Steins gate now, thanks.

Listen, I am going to be try hard scum this game.
You guys should scumread and vote me.

-Fire

[Funcall]

Never miss an opportunity to vote firebringer.
Fire Viking
Nothing personal RLVG.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Who wants some drugs?

[Fire Viking]

Never miss an opportunity to vote firebringer.
Fire Viking
Nothing personal RLVG.

Dude if this is funcall.
I am drunk and I love you <3

But seriously, we are scum. Take that as what you want <3

-Fire

Also I am not sure on anyone so far, this is reactions tests.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Sheriff Jailor here

Follow me to victory

[Vote]

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Sheriff Jailor here

Follow me to victory

[Vote]

Fucking noon

Funcall

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I am too excite

[Fire Viking]

Sheriff Jailor here

Follow me to victory

[Vote]

This is my line
<3

-Fire

[Funcall]

Quote if I'm wrong but
Has the illuminati picked roles to appear as already?
This is assuming setup B.

[Rintarou]

Goatse has Es Ca Ped.

[Rintarou]

Quote if I'm wrong but
Has the illuminati picked roles to appear as already?
This is assuming setup B.

Wow, claiming illuminati already?

Funcall

[Fire Viking]

Quote if I'm wrong but
Has the illuminati picked roles to appear as already?
This is assuming setup B.

You are wrong, but I don't understand this question.

-Fire

I am trying to do some reaction reads btw, so just act natural <3

[Fire Viking]

Wow, claiming illuminati already?

Funcall

He wasn't claming scum at all, and this is a scum reaction.
Actually its a stupid reaction. You are town, for now.

[Funcall]

Wow, claiming illuminati already?

Funcall

Immediate buddy with borderline noted.

[MattZed]

Has the illuminati picked roles to appear as already?
Illuminati, if they exist, can choose their assumed role at any time.

[Funcall]

Illuminati, if they exist, can choose their assumed role at any time.

I assume that means they can do itright before they die.
Well.

[Fire Viking]

Immediate buddy with borderline noted.

How was this buddy, btw?
This isn't buddy at all....

[Funcall]

Well Test time.
It was a legitimate Mikecall question. Leave it be.
Be back in an hour or so.

[Funcall]

How was this buddy, btw?
This isn't buddy at all....

I have a feeling your disagreeing to be disagreeable.

[Fire Viking]

I have a feeling your disagreeing to be disagreeable.

I am not, I want to townread everyone unless they are actually scum.
I want to townread you.

Show me town motivation man.

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

This is my line
<3

-Fire

Its my line quit copying me stupid

[Fire Viking]

Its my line quit copying me stupid

Is your name "Firebringer"
If not, then it is my line, that originated way before your time.

Can I ask you what you think of funcall so far?

-Fire

[Fire Viking]

I see Kanyebella viewing the thread alot here.

Got any thoughts so far?


Question for everyone:
If you were scum (lets say mafia) what would be your day 1 strategy?


I have thoughts myself on this, but I want to hear everyone else first.

[Rintarou]

Aww, We aren't a Hydra account yet. This makes Rintarou Sad.

DID I MENTION I'M A MAD SCIENTIST?!? I WILL LEAD US ALL TO VICTORY!

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Is your name "Firebringer"
If not, then it is my line, that originated way before your time.

Can I ask you what you think of funcall so far?

-Fire

Seems pretty stupid you're this delusional.

I don't have an opinion of Funcall. "HALP BUDDYING" seems like a common early concern but I'm the motherfucking MVP sheriff jailor so sheep me onto him.

[Fire Viking]

Aww, We aren't a Hydra account yet. This makes Rintarou Sad.

DID I MENTION I'M A MAD SCIENTIST?!? I WILL LEAD US ALL TO VICTORY!

can I ask who I am speaking to now?
I am guessing Secondpassing?

BTW I suggest hydras sign for posts.

-Fire

[Fire Viking]

Seems pretty stupid you're this delusional.

I don't have an opinion of Funcall. "HALP BUDDYING" seems like a common early concern but I'm the motherfucking MVP sheriff jailor so sheep me onto him.

Okay, no.
Legit, you don't think that buddying is anything? Not scum or town? You have 0 opinion on him?
I am thinking he is town as of this moment for that awkward entrance.

-Fire

[Impulse Hammer]

Helz here

I want to state right now I have 0 intentions of leading the town. Said it prior to game in the setup or some shit.
Also

Funcall

Participate this time bro

[Rintarou]

I see Kanyebella viewing the thread alot here.

Got any thoughts so far?


Question for everyone:
If you were scum (lets say mafia) what would be your day 1 strategy?


I have thoughts myself on this, but I want to hear everyone else first.

Yet doesn't volunteer information. It takes one to know one.
You're next Viking.

[Rintarou]

can I ask who I am speaking to now?
I am guessing Secondpassing?

BTW I suggest hydras sign for posts.

-Fire

The ghost of christmas past.

also we did sent a few Admins pm's. If you could do it Firebringer if that's you that would be splendid.

[Fire Viking]

Yet doesn't volunteer information. It takes one to know one.
You're next Viking.

you think I am scum in this one? So what specifically makes you think I am scum in this?

-Fire

[Impulse Hammer]

FYI I'm at work arm so won't be able to post poroper till afternoon most likely
Ika

[Fire Viking]

The ghost of christmas past.

also we did sent a few Admins pm's. If you could do it Firebringer if that's you that would be splendid.

I can't change you to a hydra account man, I will ping someone right now.

-FIre

[Rintarou]

I can't change you to a hydra account man, I will ping someone right now.

-FIre

Thank you my good man. Also we don't want to do Signs on who we are. Unless MattZed makes it a rule we're gonna stick by it. For anon's sake.

[Fire Viking]

Thank you my good man. Also we don't want to do Signs on who we are. Unless MattZed makes it a rule we're gonna stick by it. For anon's sake.

This isn't good for hydra dissonance, I would recommend not doing it.

-Fire

[Rintarou]

you think I am scum in this one? So what specifically makes you think I am scum in this?

-Fire

I have my own take on this. But I will wait for others to answer before I state my opinion.

[Rintarou]

Til Then!

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"An Intellectual Drink. For the Chosen Ones."

[Fire Viking]

I have my own take on this. But I will wait for others to answer before I state my opinion.

Stating your opinion now can help get reads on you, Hiding your opinions is kind of scummy man.

-Fire

[Rintarou]

Stating your opinion now can help get reads on you, Hiding your opinions is kind of scummy man.

-Fire

A Mad Scientist never reveals his secrets too blatantly! You wouldn't know this, considering your... Background in Fire's and Viking's.

[Fire Viking]

A Mad Scientist never reveals his secrets too blatantly! You wouldn't know this, considering your... Background in Fire's and Viking's.

Stop making me want to watch steins gate.
What you think of the Borderline Crazy Dealers relaxed attidue at the moment?
I think that is Banana at the moment, wish more people would attach their names.

[Fire Viking]

A Mad Scientist never reveals his secrets too blatantly! You wouldn't know this, considering your... Background in Fire's and Viking's.

Stop making me want to watch steins gate.
What you think of the Borderline Crazy Dealers relaxed attidue at the moment?
I think that is Banana at the moment, wish more people would attach their names.

-Fire

Pedit

[Dracule Magahnimarhawke]

I think getting the ball rolling by eliminating the only non-hydra is the only way to go.

Fyre

[Fire Viking]

I think getting the ball rolling by eliminating the only non-hydra is the only way to go.

Fyre

Hi Slaol,
You have no opinions on anyone else I assume?

-Fire

[Rintarou]

Stating your opinion now can help get reads on you, Hiding your opinions is kind of scummy man.

-Fire


I see Kanyebella viewing the thread alot here.

Got any thoughts so far?


Question for everyone:
If you were scum (lets say mafia) what would be your day 1 strategy?


I have thoughts myself on this, but I want to hear everyone else first.


Thats okay.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Okay, no.
Legit, you don't think that buddying is anything? Not scum or town? You have 0 opinion on him?
I am thinking he is town as of this moment for that awkward entrance.

-Fire

Yeah okay try hard. You got he's town from that many posts. Har har har.

[Dracule Magahnimarhawke]

Hi Slaol,
You have no opinions on anyone else I assume?

-Fire

How dare you try to know me. Other opinions include that you're a tool.

[Dracule Magahnimarhawke]

Quote if I'm wrong but
Has the illuminati picked roles to appear as already?
This is assuming setup B.

Scum?

[Fire Viking]

Yeah okay try hard. You got he's town from that many posts. Har har har.

Thanks, I am going to continue being a try hard as my entrance suggested.
Have any thoughts you want to add as of this moment?

Want to answer my question I asked earlier?

Such as if you were Mafia what woudl be your play assuming you thought that there was illuminati?

-Fire

[Rintarou]

Stop making me want to watch steins gate.
What you think of the Borderline Crazy Dealers relaxed attidue at the moment?
I think that is Banana at the moment, wish more people would attach their names.

-Fire

Pedit

Hey mister, I am mad scientist. It's SO COOOOOL!!! Sonovabitch.

[Fire Viking]

How dare you try to know me. Other opinions include that you're a tool.

Slaol, you know I think you are cool.

And I already knew you think I was tool.
Anything on this game you want to add bae?

-Fire

[Fire Viking]

Hey mister, I am mad scientist. It's SO COOOOOL!!! Sonovabitch.

Stop acting like a bad town and start playing like town.
Otherwise people will think you are playing like bad scum.

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Thanks, I am going to continue being a try hard as my entrance suggested.
Have any thoughts you want to add as of this moment?

Want to answer my question I asked earlier?

Such as if you were Mafia what woudl be your play assuming you thought that there was illuminati?

-Fire

In my opinion, the Mafia shouldn't use their names in the night chat. They should just name themselves "Godfather" and "Consort" and type differently to make it harder for the Illuminati to know who they are. Even if there is no Illuminati, this doesn't hurt the Mafia much.

Also there's some WIFOM when it comes to kills because the Mafia might actually...want to hit scummy players if they think they're Illuminati.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Thanks, I am going to continue being a try hard as my entrance suggested.
Have any thoughts you want to add as of this moment?

Want to answer my question I asked earlier?

Such as if you were Mafia what woudl be your play assuming you thought that there was illuminati?

-Fire

I'm not going to coach scum, sorry.

[Fire Viking]

I'm not going to coach scum, sorry.

Its a question to see your thought pattern as of this moment. Not coaching.

-Fire

[Rintarou]

Thanks, I am going to continue being a try hard as my entrance suggested.
Have any thoughts you want to add as of this moment?

Want to answer my question I asked earlier?

Such as if you were Mafia what woudl be your play assuming you thought that there was illuminati?

-Fire

I don't think that the mafia would play all too much differently.
This setup encourages safe scum play, not risky ones.
As said in speculation, mafia should keep quiet and kill everyone on site. It works toward both their win-cons.

You haven't addressed your inconsistency.

[Fire Viking]

I don't think that the mafia would play all too much differently.
This setup encourages safe scum play, not risky ones.
As said in speculation, mafia should keep quiet and kill everyone on site. It works toward both their win-cons.

You haven't addressed your inconsistency.

This really makes me think you are town.

-Fire

[Fire Viking]

This really makes me think you are town.

-Fire

At least not mafia, could be illuminat, but highly doubt it.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

At least not mafia, could be illuminat, but highly doubt it.

Don't force and isolate the town reads this early. I agree that he's acting naturally like a town but going "I don't think he's Mafia" is just helping the potential Illuminati narrow down the real Mafia.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Also as a tip to new players, it's a good idea to assume there's an Illuminati because MattZed ran this setup before with no Illuminati. It was a town steamroll and he got mocked hard for it :p

[Rintarou]

Don't force and isolate the town reads this early. I agree that he's acting naturally like a town but going "I don't think he's Mafia" is just helping the potential Illuminati narrow down the real Mafia.

He's buttering us up. I can see Fire Viking being mafia right now, it was probably what he was thinking.
There's no reason to town read us yet.

[Fire Viking]

Don't force and isolate the town reads this early. I agree that he's acting naturally like a town but going "I don't think he's Mafia" is just helping the potential Illuminati narrow down the real Mafia.

I am being upfront with my reads, if Illuminati for instance uses what I think to attempt to kill a mafia, that gives insight into who they are (presuming they exist).

-Fire

[Rintarou]

He's buttering us up. I can see Fire Viking being mafia right now, it was probably what he was thinking.
There's no reason to town read us yet.

*we replied exactly what his thoughts were.

[Fire Viking]

Also as a tip to new players, it's a good idea to assume there's an Illuminati because MattZed ran this setup before with no Illuminati. It was a town steamroll and he got mocked hard for it :p

If I were MattZed, I would RNG it again, so no shit could be on him. But again thats presuming he does it like how I would.

-Fire

[Fire Viking]

He's buttering us up. I can see Fire Viking being mafia right now, it was probably what he was thinking.
There's no reason to town read us yet.

Didn't see this. You aren't voting me though....whats going on here???

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

He's buttering us up. I can see Fire Viking being mafia right now, it was probably what he was thinking.
There's no reason to town read us yet.

Firebringer likes to find town-reads early, so it's NAI for him.

[Fire Viking]

Firebringer likes to find town-reads early, so it's NAI for him.

Please sign posts, its not so much for meta its to see hydra dissonance.
I am going to avoid meta more this game, so I don't care if you do some new playstyle, just try to be upfront who is posting so I know who is thinking what.

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Didn't see this. You aren't voting me though....whats going on here???

-Fire

Heaven forbid the man express an opinion without throwing a bote.

You are Mafia for not following the town leader to victory though. 63% sure you're Mafia.

[Fire Viking]

Heaven forbid the man express an opinion without throwing a bote.

You are Mafia for not following the town leader to victory though. 63% sure you're Mafia.

I am just asking questions. I like your avatar btw, who decided on that one?

Can you pls answer my earlier question tho?

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Please sign posts, its not so much for meta its to see hydra dissonance.
I am going to avoid meta more this game, so I don't care if you do some new playstyle, just try to be upfront who is posting so I know who is thinking what.

-Fire

Here's a tip. Banana is the one trolling. Any non-troll posts are mine.

We're not doing anything fancy. If it helps she is going to bed soon so it'll be me posting for a bit.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I am just asking questions. I like your avatar btw, who decided on that one?

Can you pls answer my earlier question tho?

-Fire

Which one, the Mafia strategy one? We already did.

[Rintarou]

Guess I'll also say SecondPassing will do a good majority of the pushing and valuating...

I'm sorta here to uh.. Learn I guess. And try my best!

FOR I AM A MAD SCIENTIST!!

[Fire Viking]

Here's a tip. Banana is the one trolling. Any non-troll posts are mine.

We're not doing anything fancy. If it helps she is going to bed soon so it'll be me posting for a bit.

Or you could do a simple -C, -B, -D
To the end of every post. Or not, I can't tell the troll posts sometimes from real. I am sorry about that, its just hard.


Which one, the Mafia strategy one? We already did.

That wasn't a answer you said you didn't want to coach, that was avoidance. I won't hold it against you, but I do want an answer

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Guess I'll also say SecondPassing will do a good majority of the pushing and valuating...

I'm sorta here to uh.. Learn I guess. And try my best!

FOR I AM A MAD SCIENTIST!!

Are you going to make troll posts every game? Just noticed that it seems to be a running theme across games with you already -_-

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Or you could do a simple -C, -B, -D
To the end of every post. Or not, I can't tell the troll posts sometimes from real. I am sorry about that, its just hard.



That wasn't a answer you said you didn't want to coach, that was avoidance. I won't hold it against you, but I do want an answer

-Fire

Read the thread. I talked about the mafia's night chat. We're not giving tips about the day chat.

- Calix

[Fire Viking]

Read the thread. I talked about the mafia's night chat. We're not giving tips about the day chat.

- Calix

If you were scum, how would you approach me right now?
This is a honest question.

-Fire

[Rintarou]

Are you going to make troll posts every game? Just noticed that it seems to be a running theme across games with you already -_-

Uhhh. I'm gonna try to not do that this time around. As I said I'm here to learn. But here and there I just can't resist.

Screw you, Future me!!!

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

If you were scum, how would you approach me right now?
This is a honest question.

-Fire

No idea. I'm not scum so I can't relate to how they would approach the game.

I don't see the point to asking how scum would act. Real scum will easily lie while town will slip because they haven't thought it through.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I am just asking questions. I like your avatar btw, who decided on that one?

Can you pls answer my earlier question tho?

-Fire


If you were scum, how would you approach me right now?
This is a honest question.

-Fire

You are a try hard, only trying to establish town cred early with your questions thsg benefit only scum, and your "reads" to try to clear town through PoE when the game has just started. You are off to a bad start if scum, which is becoming obvious.

Get on my level, or get behind me and follow my lead.

[Fire Viking]

No idea. I'm not scum so I can't relate to how they would approach the game.

I don't see the point to asking how scum would act. Real scum will easily lie while town will slip because they haven't thought it through.

How would town slip? If they were town they would town slip...or you saying they would seem like to scum slip?

-Fire

[Fire Viking]

You are a try hard, only trying to establish town cred early with your questions thsg benefit only scum, and your "reads" to try to clear town through PoE when the game has just started. You are off to a bad start if scum, which is becoming obvious.

Get on my level, or get behind me and follow my lead.

So I should townread you based on avoiding questions and saying that try hards are scum?
I don't get the levels. But okay.

-Fire

[Rintarou]

I feel bad for Funcall, don't want him to die D1 again. :(

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

How would town slip? If they were town they would town slip...or you saying they would seem like to scum slip?

-Fire

The latter, given that we have more new players than usual.

[Rintarou]

GoatseOntheCupboard

Hey Goat, see you're finally here to the party!

Care to make some imput?!

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

So I should townread you based on avoiding questions and saying that try hards are scum?
I don't get the levels. But okay.

-Fire

I'm not asking you to town read us, but to follow the OBVIOUS TOWN LEADER which is me. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I'm not asking you to town read us, but to follow the OBVIOUS TOWN LEADER which is me. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

Can you two stop trying to antagonise each other? Thanks.

- Calix

[Fire Viking]

I'm not asking you to town read us, but to follow the OBVIOUS TOWN LEADER which is me. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

I don't consider you a leader until you actually show leadership.
If someone is doing better at leading town then me, I will bow before them, but so far I have you at a Null.

-Fire

[GoatseOntheCupboard]

Hey guys! It's me, Goatse radio-ing in from my first FM-game !!!! :DDD I have a few points/questions to make :

1. Hey guys! It's my first FM, and I am used to a much faster format from the sc2 mafia mod, although ironically you are playing very "fast" considering it is day 1, and no leads, rolls, kills or night actions have happened, you are still voting players with this lack of information.
2. Is it normal for players to claim their role very early on? Because although it isn't in the mod, I feel this is a much higher level of play and I am sure you metagame as hard as you can, and are all trying to get a win, as opposed to just playing for "teh lulz" liek in the mod, where all players claiming day 1 would most likely result in a Town win.
3. I claim citizen
4. Do we normally take advantage of the day 1 lynch? Because I feel playing with more high skillcap players would highly benefit from pressuring players early on, although obviously they would be better/faster at coming up with lies. Anyways I will cast a random vote in the hopes of leading a day 1 town lynch
5. Hey rintarou! I notice you are random voting me, and I think this is an excellent course of action since I have been "lurking" up until now. I will cast my vote along with you because I don't think a scum would start random voting this early (although, coming from the mod I am obviously several levels behind you professional FM players). Further bulletins as events warrant,

-vote Funcall

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

To vote, do [vote]NAME[ /vote]

But remove the space.

[Fire Viking]

Hey guys! It's me, Goatse radio-ing in from my first FM-game !!!! :DDD I have a few points/questions to make :

1. Hey guys! It's my first FM, and I am used to a much faster format from the sc2 mafia mod, although ironically you are playing very "fast" considering it is day 1, and no leads, rolls, kills or night actions have happened, you are still voting players with this lack of information.
2. Is it normal for players to claim their role very early on? Because although it isn't in the mod, I feel this is a much higher level of play and I am sure you metagame as hard as you can, and are all trying to get a win, as opposed to just playing for "teh lulz" liek in the mod, where all players claiming day 1 would most likely result in a Town win.
3. I claim citizen
4. Do we normally take advantage of the day 1 lynch? Because I feel playing with more high skillcap players would highly benefit from pressuring players early on, although obviously they would be better/faster at coming up with lies. Anyways I will cast a random vote in the hopes of leading a day 1 town lynch
5. Hey rintarou! I notice you are random voting me, and I think this is an excellent course of action since I have been "lurking" up until now. I will cast my vote along with you because I don't think a scum would start random voting this early (although, coming from the mod I am obviously several levels behind you professional FM players). Further bulletins as events warrant,

-vote Funcall

First off, you have to use a vote tag, this is like : [.vote][./vote]

1) Forum mafia is more about reads which is jsut trying to see motivation in posts, not so much on claims like normal Sc2Mafia.

2) No, its actually deteriment to the town to claim early.

3) Bad...but you are likely the most town right now for doing it.
4) Normally it is advantageous to do so, because we have better odds to lynch scum, but if you have no good reads its better to no lynch.
5) No strong opinion, this game is usually very casual compared to mod, you haven't been lurking really.
You are fine, mate.


-Fire

[Rintarou]

Hey guys! It's me, Goatse radio-ing in from my first FM-game !!!! :DDD I have a few points/questions to make :

1. Hey guys! It's my first FM, and I am used to a much faster format from the sc2 mafia mod, although ironically you are playing very "fast" considering it is day 1, and no leads, rolls, kills or night actions have happened, you are still voting players with this lack of information.
2. Is it normal for players to claim their role very early on? Because although it isn't in the mod, I feel this is a much higher level of play and I am sure you metagame as hard as you can, and are all trying to get a win, as opposed to just playing for "teh lulz" liek in the mod, where all players claiming day 1 would most likely result in a Town win.
3. I claim citizen
4. Do we normally take advantage of the day 1 lynch? Because I feel playing with more high skillcap players would highly benefit from pressuring players early on, although obviously they would be better/faster at coming up with lies. Anyways I will cast a random vote in the hopes of leading a day 1 town lynch
5. Hey rintarou! I notice you are random voting me, and I think this is an excellent course of action since I have been "lurking" up until now. I will cast my vote along with you because I don't think a scum would start random voting this early (although, coming from the mod I am obviously several levels behind you professional FM players). Further bulletins as events warrant,

-vote Funcall

1. I'm semi new too. We vote fast, yea. Not always to lynch but for "pressure." Better people could explain it easier.
2. Not Always... usually they don't. Like in this setup we definetly don't want to since if there's Illuminati they could claim basically anything.
3. (I really hope you are trolling here...)
4. Usually from what I've seen Day 1 lynches are a common thing.
5. Yes, hi. Indeed, but I am also pressure voting you. I would like your honest imput.. Like for example... What do you think of the setup so far? Do you like it? Dislike it? Any commments? Questions? We would like your feedback good sir!

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Hey guys! It's me, Goatse radio-ing in from my first FM-game !!!! :DDD I have a few points/questions to make :

1. Hey guys! It's my first FM, and I am used to a much faster format from the sc2 mafia mod, although ironically you are playing very "fast" considering it is day 1, and no leads, rolls, kills or night actions have happened, you are still voting players with this lack of information.
2. Is it normal for players to claim their role very early on? Because although it isn't in the mod, I feel this is a much higher level of play and I am sure you metagame as hard as you can, and are all trying to get a win, as opposed to just playing for "teh lulz" liek in the mod, where all players claiming day 1 would most likely result in a Town win.
3. I claim citizen
4. Do we normally take advantage of the day 1 lynch? Because I feel playing with more high skillcap players would highly benefit from pressuring players early on, although obviously they would be better/faster at coming up with lies. Anyways I will cast a random vote in the hopes of leading a day 1 town lynch
5. Hey rintarou! I notice you are random voting me, and I think this is an excellent course of action since I have been "lurking" up until now. I will cast my vote along with you because I don't think a scum would start random voting this early (although, coming from the mod I am obviously several levels behind you professional FM players). Further bulletins as events warrant,

-vote Funcall

1. Yes, we're currently in RVS (Random Voting Stage) where we vote for players based on minor things in the hopes that this spurs on some more substantial discussion. Don't worry about being wrong, because most players are on Day 1. We focus more on HOW someone came to the conclusions they did.

2. It happens in role madness games but it's not a good idea in this setup, given that it's vanilla. Secondly, we can't trust role claims in case they are Illuminati and even if they are not, you are giving the scum more information on the setup.

3. Interesting, I don't see scum locking themselves down in a claim early like that.

4. Yes, absolutely. By 'town lynch' what do you mean exactly? :)

5. Why do you think the scum wouldn't cast a vote early?

[Fire Viking]

1. Yes, we're currently in RVS (Random Voting Stage) where we vote for players based on minor things in the hopes that this spurs on some more substantial discussion. Don't worry about being wrong, because most players are on Day 1. We focus more on HOW someone came to the conclusions they did.

2. It happens in role madness games but it's not a good idea in this setup, given that it's vanilla. Secondly, we can't trust role claims in case they are Illuminati and even if they are not, you are giving the scum more information on the setup.

3. Interesting, I don't see scum locking themselves down in a claim early like that.

4. Yes, absolutely. By 'town lynch' what do you mean exactly? :)

5. Why do you think the scum wouldn't cast a vote early?

Hmmm, I don't like this post so much.
You are on my "reread" list right now.

I don't like your posts so far....

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

1. I'm semi new too. We vote fast, yea. Not always to lynch but for "pressure." Better people could explain it easier.
2. Not Always... usually they don't. Like in this setup we definetly don't want to since if there's Illuminati they could claim basically anything.
3. (I really hope you are trolling here...)
4. Usually from what I've seen Day 1 lynches are a common thing.
5. Yes, hi. Indeed, but I am also pressure voting you. I would like your honest imput.. Like for example... What do you think of the setup so far? Do you like it? Dislike it? Any commments? Questions? We would like your feedback good sir!

Why do you choose to focus on setup spec when we have 100 posts to ask him about?

Why do you 'hope' that Goatse is trolling with his Citizen claim?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Hmmm, I don't like this post so much.
You are on my "reread" list right now.

I don't like your posts so far....

-Fire

Care to explain why?

[Fire Viking]

Care to explain why?

Wording used in the latest post, it was very awkward from what I saw, but again, may need to reread.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Wording used in the latest post, it was very awkward from what I saw, but again, may need to reread.

I was trying to be informative, so that might be why.

[Rintarou]

5. Why do you think the scum wouldn't cast a vote early?

You ALL need to consider that Goat has the same mindset as Me... We both normally play the SC2 Mod... Scum voting early in that is sorta really, really rare early on, unless you are bad or a really good liar. Usually it's town that does the votes to trials.

This Mad Scientists has got your back, Goat!

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I was trying to be informative, so that might be why.

I don't like how you keep hedging your opinions though, like you're self-conscious about your posts. Nobody is expecting HERE'S THE SCUM GG NO RE on Day 1 so there's no need to qualify your reads like that.

[Fire Viking]

You ALL need to consider that Goat has the same mindset as Me... We both normally play the SC2 Mod... Scum voting early in that is sorta really, really rare early on, unless you are bad or a really good liar. Usually it's town that does the votes to trials.

This Mad Scientists has got your back, Goat!

Why are you still voting Goatse?
This isn't following much. You think he is teling the truth on his claim, yes or no?

-Fire

[Funcall]

I'm going to need to talk to my partner before talking about reads.

[Funcall]

I'm going to need to talk to my partner before talking about reads.

Just randomly out there.
As much as I like it.

[Fire Viking]

Ohh god, can you guys sign your posts, this hydra dissonance is going to drive me insane.
Okay, I am think I know who posted what, but its still annoying.

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I'm going to need to talk to my partner before talking about reads.

What? Actively trying to avoid hydra dissonance like this is scummy as hell.

[Fire Viking]

What? Actively trying to avoid hydra dissonance like this is scummy as hell.

No it isn't, confering with your hydra is a good thing regardless of alignment >.>
YOU ARE SCUMMY FOR NOT DISCUSSING ANYTHING!!

-Fire

[Rintarou]

Why are you still voting Goatse?
This isn't following much. You think he is teling the truth on his claim, yes or no?

-Fire

Uh... Knowing Goatse in the Mod, I can't say either way. Citizen is easy to claim.

I will keep my vote on him until I see him answer my 5th question.

[Funcall]

What? Actively trying to avoid hydra dissonance like this is scummy as hell.

I only want to discuss massive plays before committing.
WIFOMBOM9000

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

No it isn't, confering with your hydra is a good thing regardless of alignment >.>
YOU ARE SCUMMY FOR NOT DISCUSSING ANYTHING!!

-Fire

We have discussed. We don't need to actively announce it in the chat, nor use it as an excuse to not post reads.

And scum would still discuss in their hydras to avoid slipping, idiot.

[Fire Viking]

Uh... Knowing Goatse in the Mod, I can't say either way. Citizen is easy to claim.

I will keep my vote on him until I see him answer my 5th question.

This thing kind of makes me feel nervous on you to be honest.
I don't want ot meta on how a newbie would play but how would he know Citizen is better claim in FM?
Just....

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

This thing kind of makes me feel nervous on you to be honest.
I don't want ot meta on how a newbie would play but how would he know Citizen is better claim in FM?
Just....

-Fire

Another dumb question. Any fool knows that claiming a role with no night actions is the best move.

[Rintarou]

Ohh god, can you guys sign your posts, this hydra dissonance is going to drive me insane.
Okay, I am think I know who posted what, but its still annoying.

-Fire

for goodness sakes, FINE.

-AIVION.

(P.S Secondpassing is asleep so assume it's me for a while.)

And also to answer your newest post, citizen is always easy to claim. You see evils do it almost all the time in The mod. Then again you're right, the hell do I know? This is my third game.

[Funcall]

This thing kind of makes me feel nervous on you to be honest.
I don't want ot meta on how a newbie would play but how would he know Citizen is better claim in FM?
Just....

-Fire

There there. Re-evaluate. Think. Decide.

[Fire Viking]

We have discussed. We don't need to actively announce it in the chat, nor use it as an excuse to not post reads.

And scum would still discuss in their hydras to avoid slipping, idiot.

I am assuming this is Calix, also hi Calix! You know you don't seem quite as angry as normal.
Not going to meta read here at all though. What you think of everyone so far. Scummiest to towniest.

Right now I am at this:

Town:
Goatse
Rintarou

Null:
Funcall
You

Not even worth mentioning anyone else at this point I feel.

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

There there. Re-evaluate. Think. Decide.

You fancy living up to that inspirational motto of yours then? Put down the pompoms and give some opinions, thanks.

[Funcall]

Its pretty obvious who this is. Who could manage a spectacularly awkward towny entrance. :push:

Yay null!

[Fire Viking]

for goodness sakes, FINE.

-AIVION.

(P.S Secondpassing is asleep so assume it's me for a while.)

And also to answer your newest post, citizen is always easy to claim. You see evils do it almost all the time in The mod. Then again you're right, the hell do I know? This is my third game.

Sorry if I am being a dick, it just helps me figure out what people are thinking. Thank you for doing this.

-Fire

[Rintarou]

I'm Waiting My good man, Goatse.

Take your time! I am a patient Scientist!

Also No problem, Fire.

[Rintarou]

Just don't expect it all game, Secondpassing hates using signs.

[GoatseOntheCupboard]

>4. A town lynch is a lynch led by members of the town, rather than a lynch led by mafia trying to look town, or by mafia trying to win the game or illuminati trying to win the game (I use this on the mod very often, I find there are a lot of different reasons scum -vote, considering that the best option for scum to do to avoid detection is to just not -vote anyone)
>3. This is only a bad move if I am really citizen, because I am now the #1 target for the mafia killers, despite lacking a useful night ability, although the mafia killers know that I am the #1 target which will influence their decision to hit me, thus making them possibly attack the next "town acting player". If the doctor is thinking on the same level the mafia are, the exact same scenario will happen where the mafia either attack me, or another town acting player with (hopefully for the mafia) a useful night action. I think this is a good move, unless somebody wants to educate me on why it is not. I am also hopefully pushing scum into claiming a more difficult role to pretend to be? Again, unless somebody wants to tell me why I am retarded, I am 100% non-ironically all ears as to why claiming citizen day 1 is bad.
2. Fuck you, read point #3
1. I'm almost glad that I accidentally metagamed you by not voting funcall, because he already has 3 votes which makes me think that at least one scum is voting him. (again, playing by mod rules, where everything is much faster and less precise).
5. I am hoping the scum will cast a vote early, because scum ALWAYS VOTE IN THEIR OWN INTEREST. Or, If they do not vote in their own interest, are voting outside of their interest for a reason, IE to not be detected for voting suspiciously.

6. I hope that funcall is not the doctor, because that would be extremely bad (I AM ASSUMING THERE IS ONE OF EACH ROLE BTW, WHICH IS WHY I CLAIMED MY ROLE DAY 1)
[vote]funcall[ /vote]

PS: I am wondering why you are appealing so much to me Rintarou? Are you legitimately just a town-alligned mod player, or are you trying to sucker the noob Goatse player into voting with you because we have both played most of our mafia games on the sc2 mod? Just saying that I am looking atchu bud :)

[GoatseOntheCupboard]

funcall

[Funcall]

6. I hope that funcall is not the doctor, because that would be extremely bad (I AM ASSUMING THERE IS ONE OF EACH ROLE BTW, WHICH IS WHY I CLAIMED MY ROLE DAY 1)
[vote]funcall[ /vote]

Must you vote me? I don't even know what I've done. I need to read over the day more.

[Fire Viking]

>4. A town lynch is a lynch led by members of the town, rather than a lynch led by mafia trying to look town, or by mafia trying to win the game or illuminati trying to win the game (I use this on the mod very often, I find there are a lot of different reasons scum -vote, considering that the best option for scum to do to avoid detection is to just not -vote anyone)
>3. This is only a bad move if I am really citizen, because I am now the #1 target for the mafia killers, despite lacking a useful night ability, although the mafia killers know that I am the #1 target which will influence their decision to hit me, thus making them possibly attack the next "town acting player". If the doctor is thinking on the same level the mafia are, the exact same scenario will happen where the mafia either attack me, or another town acting player with (hopefully for the mafia) a useful night action. I think this is a good move, unless somebody wants to educate me on why it is not. I am also hopefully pushing scum into claiming a more difficult role to pretend to be? Again, unless somebody wants to tell me why I am retarded, I am 100% non-ironically all ears as to why claiming citizen day 1 is bad.
2. Fuck you, read point #3
1. I'm almost glad that I accidentally metagamed you by not voting funcall, because he already has 3 votes which makes me think that at least one scum is voting him. (again, playing by mod rules, where everything is much faster and less precise).
5. I am hoping the scum will cast a vote early, because scum ALWAYS VOTE IN THEIR OWN INTEREST. Or, If they do not vote in their own interest, are voting outside of their interest for a reason, IE to not be detected for voting suspiciously.

6. I hope that funcall is not the doctor, because that would be extremely bad (I AM ASSUMING THERE IS ONE OF EACH ROLE BTW, WHICH IS WHY I CLAIMED MY ROLE DAY 1)
[vote]funcall[ /vote]

PS: I am wondering why you are appealing so much to me Rintarou? Are you legitimately just a town-alligned mod player, or are you trying to sucker the noob Goatse player into voting with you because we have both played most of our mafia games on the sc2 mod? Just saying that I am looking atchu bud :)
I don't know what to think of this to be honest.
I am pretty drunk. Need to reread when I am sober.

-Fire

[Funcall]

I don't know what to think of this to be honest.
I am pretty drunk. Need to reread when I am sober.

-Fire

The Drunkbringer is coming through yes.

So far I have 1 clear read. and a couple of not so clear ones.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I am assuming this is Calix, also hi Calix! You know you don't seem quite as angry as normal.
Not going to meta read here at all though. What you think of everyone so far. Scummiest to towniest.

Right now I am at this:

Town:
Goatse
Rintarou

Null:
Funcall
You

Not even worth mentioning anyone else at this point I feel.

-Fire

No, I don't want to be angry every game. It's a drain. And meta reads will not work on me given that I want to change it.

Goatse seems pretty cautious, then he quickly claims Citizen. Not sure what to make of that aside from the fact that the scum generally don't like sticking themselves down in a claim this early. However we have scum roles that can change their role so it's not as much of a town tell as it would otherwise be.

AIVION is doing their usual trolling, null read for now. I want to see how SP posts first.

Funcall is a slight scum lean for that post I mentioned. I do not see why you would feel the need to post that as town, really. Nobody was pressuring him for reads.

A lot of your questions are superficial or relate to setup spec. This question isn't bad but it's nothing outstanding either. I'm going with a null-scum read for now.

[Rintarou]

>4. A town lynch is a lynch led by members of the town, rather than a lynch led by mafia trying to look town, or by mafia trying to win the game or illuminati trying to win the game (I use this on the mod very often, I find there are a lot of different reasons scum -vote, considering that the best option for scum to do to avoid detection is to just not -vote anyone)
>3. This is only a bad move if I am really citizen, because I am now the #1 target for the mafia killers, despite lacking a useful night ability, although the mafia killers know that I am the #1 target which will influence their decision to hit me, thus making them possibly attack the next "town acting player". If the doctor is thinking on the same level the mafia are, the exact same scenario will happen where the mafia either attack me, or another town acting player with (hopefully for the mafia) a useful night action. I think this is a good move, unless somebody wants to educate me on why it is not. I am also hopefully pushing scum into claiming a more difficult role to pretend to be? Again, unless somebody wants to tell me why I am retarded, I am 100% non-ironically all ears as to why claiming citizen day 1 is bad.
2. Fuck you, read point #3
1. I'm almost glad that I accidentally metagamed you by not voting funcall, because he already has 3 votes which makes me think that at least one scum is voting him. (again, playing by mod rules, where everything is much faster and less precise).
5. I am hoping the scum will cast a vote early, because scum ALWAYS VOTE IN THEIR OWN INTEREST. Or, If they do not vote in their own interest, are voting outside of their interest for a reason, IE to not be detected for voting suspiciously.

6. I hope that funcall is not the doctor, because that would be extremely bad (I AM ASSUMING THERE IS ONE OF EACH ROLE BTW, WHICH IS WHY I CLAIMED MY ROLE DAY 1)
[vote]funcall[ /vote]

PS: I am wondering why you are appealing so much to me Rintarou? Are you legitimately just a town-alligned mod player, or are you trying to sucker the noob Goatse player into voting with you because we have both played most of our mafia games on the sc2 mod? Just saying that I am looking atchu bud :)

Mmm! Good stuff, I expected you'd do good here dude!



Also I'm not trying to sucker you into voting with me, that would be pretty scummy yea? Just saying i'm in the same shoes as you. Almost everyone in this game plays FM's, and plays them really well. But Take this at face value if you'd like.


Also "My usual Troll thing?" Do i look like i'm trolling to you?? That's semi-rude tbh...
-AIVION

[Funcall]

Just a quick think I noticed.

Mafia, I suggest you PM your night kill privately to the host, so the Illuminati don't see it coming. If you can.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

>4. A town lynch is a lynch led by members of the town, rather than a lynch led by mafia trying to look town, or by mafia trying to win the game or illuminati trying to win the game (I use this on the mod very often, I find there are a lot of different reasons scum -vote, considering that the best option for scum to do to avoid detection is to just not -vote anyone)
>3. This is only a bad move if I am really citizen, because I am now the #1 target for the mafia killers, despite lacking a useful night ability, although the mafia killers know that I am the #1 target which will influence their decision to hit me, thus making them possibly attack the next "town acting player". If the doctor is thinking on the same level the mafia are, the exact same scenario will happen where the mafia either attack me, or another town acting player with (hopefully for the mafia) a useful night action. I think this is a good move, unless somebody wants to educate me on why it is not. I am also hopefully pushing scum into claiming a more difficult role to pretend to be? Again, unless somebody wants to tell me why I am retarded, I am 100% non-ironically all ears as to why claiming citizen day 1 is bad.
2. Fuck you, read point #3
1. I'm almost glad that I accidentally metagamed you by not voting funcall, because he already has 3 votes which makes me think that at least one scum is voting him. (again, playing by mod rules, where everything is much faster and less precise).
5. I am hoping the scum will cast a vote early, because scum ALWAYS VOTE IN THEIR OWN INTEREST. Or, If they do not vote in their own interest, are voting outside of their interest for a reason, IE to not be detected for voting suspiciously.

6. I hope that funcall is not the doctor, because that would be extremely bad (I AM ASSUMING THERE IS ONE OF EACH ROLE BTW, WHICH IS WHY I CLAIMED MY ROLE DAY 1)
[vote]funcall[ /vote]

PS: I am wondering why you are appealing so much to me Rintarou? Are you legitimately just a town-alligned mod player, or are you trying to sucker the noob Goatse player into voting with you because we have both played most of our mafia games on the sc2 mod? Just saying that I am looking atchu bud :)

I see you know the basics of WIFOM.

It's considered a bad idea because it gives less cover for the TPRs, of which there won't be many in this setup. You don't need to claim to be read as a threat to the scum.

MattZed likes to fuck with host meta. I would not assume the number of roles in the game this early on.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Just a quick think I noticed.

Mafia, I suggest you PM your night kill privately to the host, so the Illuminati don't see it coming. If you can.

Godfather's role card says that the kill has to be submitted in the night chat.

[Funcall]

Funcall is a slight scum lean for that post I mentioned. I do not see why you would feel the need to post that as town, really. Nobody was pressuring him for reads.


Everyone present was doing reads. It was pre-emptive.

[Funcall]

Godfather's role card says that the kill has to be submitted in the night chat.

Woopsie silly me.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Everyone present was doing reads. It was pre-emptive.

So you wanted to fit in and do what everyone else was doing but didn't want to create tension between your hydras? :>

[Funcall]

So you wanted to fit in and do what everyone else was doing but didn't want to create tension between your hydras? :>

I think that saying yes will turn me into a hard scum read for you.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I think that saying yes will turn me into a hard scum read for you.

Why do you care so much about what I think of you?

[Rintarou]

AIVION is doing their usual trolling, null read for now. I want to see how SP posts first.

Hmph. Fun fact SP has posted quite a lot this game in the beginning. I suggest you step your game up.

:3

[Funcall]

Why do you care so much about what I think of you?

Because Calix's opinion holds value.
And I'm still trying to prove that I'm not the Dunce.
Which is I admit, a fruitless endeavour.
Lurk time?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Hmph. Fun fact SP has posted quite a lot this game in the beginning. I suggest you step your game up.

:3

If they haven't posted reads yet, it's fair game :p

For reference, SP likes to fake ALL of their reads as scum. Read Some Random Scenario/ Romeo and Juliet if you want to see what I mean.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Because Calix's opinion holds value.
And I'm still trying to prove that I'm not the Dunce.
Which is I admit, a fruitless endeavour.
Lurk time?

"I can't convince this one player that I'm not scum. Time to lurk off the pressure."

You can't out-lurk the votes. Post reads, please.

[Fire Viking]

No, I don't want to be angry every game. It's a drain. And meta reads will not work on me given that I want to change it.

Goatse seems pretty cautious, then he quickly claims Citizen. Not sure what to make of that aside from the fact that the scum generally don't like sticking themselves down in a claim this early. However we have scum roles that can change their role so it's not as much of a town tell as it would otherwise be.

AIVION is doing their usual trolling, null read for now. I want to see how SP posts first.

Funcall is a slight scum lean for that post I mentioned. I do not see why you would feel the need to post that as town, really. Nobody was pressuring him for reads.

A lot of your questions are superficial or relate to setup spec. This question isn't bad but it's nothing outstanding either. I'm going with a null-scum read for now.

Thanks bae, I appreciate this.
You can be in my "Do not lynch" pile for now.

-Fire

[Funcall]

Here's what I want to think:

Town: Everyone but two people
Scum: Probably no-one

Here's what I actually think:
Town
Fire Viking
Goatse
Rintarou
Whoever Slaol is
Scum

Borderline is pushing me, so I can't offer an opinion without it being OMGUS, or Buttering

[Funcall]

Post reads, please.

I did know this would come.

[Fire Viking]

Here's what I want to think:

Town: Everyone but two people
Scum: Probably no-one

Here's what I actually think:
Town
Fire Viking
Goatse
Rintarou
Whoever Slaol is
Scum

Borderline is pushing me, so I can't offer an opinion without it being OMGUS, or Buttering

This is so bad, everyone who is posted is town?
Want to give reasons beyond any of this?

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Here's what I want to think:

Town: Everyone but two people
Scum: Probably no-one

Here's what I actually think:
Town
Fire Viking
Goatse
Rintarou
Whoever Slaol is
Scum

Borderline is pushing me, so I can't offer an opinion without it being OMGUS, or Buttering

Uh no, that's not how it works darling. If your read is genuine, it won't be read as such because everyone will understand how you came to that conclusion.

Why is Fire your top town read?

Why do you think Slaol is scum?

Why do you find Rintarou scummy?

[Fire Viking]

Uh no, that's not how it works darling. If your read is genuine, it won't be read as such because everyone will understand how you came to that conclusion.

Why is Fire your top town read?

Why do you think Slaol is scum?

Why do you find Rintarou scummy?

God, will you marry me?

-Fire

[GoatseOntheCupboard]

Hey! A few thoughts before I go to sleep:
1. I never insinuated that Rintarou is "trolling" and that that is why he voted me, nor that he voted me because it is my "First FM" or I "hadn't typed a messaged yet". Although it doesn't seem (to me) that Rintarou is doing a "scum deflection tactic", he could be randomly pressuring a played (especially one who seems weak like me) to seem more town than he is. Also, Funcall hasn't seemed to have contributed as much to the discussion as other players, disregarding noobs who claim their role day 1 because they are bad. I will end this day without unvoting funcall, because there is really no other reason for a town player to vote funcall, due to the lack of interesting discussion (and obvious lack of information which I bet you forum players are used to . Unless you'd like to vote him, in which case I am all ears to why you've voted him
2. That's it tbh, also I am not a weak player, read this Mafia Mod Bible for proof http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...merfag-edition

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

God, will you marry me?

-Fire

Where's your VC, lovie? Or do you not think it's applicable this game? :)

[Fire Viking]

Where's your VC, lovie? Or do you not think it's applicable this game? :)

Thats my scumtell dearie.

;)


-Fire

[Funcall]

This is so bad, everyone who is posted is town?
Want to give reasons beyond any of this?

-Fire

Its a scale.


Uh no, that's not how it works darling. If your read is genuine, it won't be read as such because everyone will understand how you came to that conclusion.

Why is Fire your top town read?

Why do you think Slaol is scum?

Why do you find Rintarou scummy?

Personally, I can never scumread the Calix, so I don't ever comment on it.

Drunk Fire is True Fire. He is trying to work through this. That Rintarou push convinced me.

Slaol-guy, He was scummmiest because I found everyone else to be Townier than him.
Rintarou, as above.

I should have noted it was more a Town-Null read system. Take it as that.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Hey! A few thoughts before I go to sleep:
1. I never insinuated that Rintarou is "trolling" and that that is why he voted me, nor that he voted me because it is my "First FM" or I "hadn't typed a messaged yet". Although it doesn't seem (to me) that Rintarou is doing a "scum deflection tactic", he could be randomly pressuring a played (especially one who seems weak like me) to seem more town than he is. Also, Funcall hasn't seemed to have contributed as much to the discussion as other players, disregarding noobs who claim their role day 1 because they are bad. I will end this day without unvoting funcall, because there is really no other reason for a town player to vote funcall, due to the lack of interesting discussion (and obvious lack of information which I bet you forum players are used to . Unless you'd like to vote him, in which case I am all ears to why you've voted him
2. That's it tbh, also I am not a weak player, read this Mafia Mod Bible for proof http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...merfag-edition

So your argument is that Rintarou is pressuring someone he perceives as low-hanging fruit?

Enough players have voted - or have expressed intent to vote - Funcall that more votes are not necessary at this time.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Its a scale.



Personally, I can never scumread the Calix, so I don't ever comment on it.

Drunk Fire is True Fire. He is trying to work through this. That Rintarou push convinced me.

Slaol-guy, He was scummmiest because I found everyone else to be Townier than him.
Rintarou, as above.

I should have noted it was more a Town-Null read system. Take it as that.

wut. You're town-reading Firebringer for being drunk? The Rintarou thing is fair but that first part just made me laugh.

Not everyone has posted yet, so how can you POE a scum-read the way you have done this early on?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

wut. You're town-reading Firebringer for being drunk? The Rintarou thing is fair but that first part just made me laugh.

Not everyone has posted yet, so how can you POE a scum-read the way you have done this early on?

Also you only have one scum-read for terrible reasoning. Can you explain why you're NOT town-reading Slaol?

[Funcall]

Also, Funcall hasn't seemed to have contributed as much to the discussion as other players,
I will submit to this.


disregarding noobs who claim their role day 1 because they are bad.
Okay I never said anything like that, I more kind of noted you down and didn't comment.


I will end this day without unvoting funcall, because there is really no other reason for a town player to vote funcall,
If you don't think there's a reason to vote me, why are you voting?!?!

[Funcall]

Also you only have one scum-read for terrible reasoning. Can you explain why you're NOT town-reading Slaol?

I have not seen a reason to place him townier than all the others I listed.

[Funcall]

I hope you're happy with this level of contribution. :P

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I have not seen a reason to place him townier than all the others I listed.

-_-

Can you walk me through which posts you think could be town-motivated/ scum-motivated? Surely something must have struck you as town/ scummy if he's your only scum-read.


I hope you're happy with this level of contribution. :P

Baby steps.

[Rintarou]

So your argument is that Rintarou is pressuring someone he perceives as low-hanging fruit?

Enough players have voted - or have expressed intent to vote - Funcall that more votes are not necessary at this time.

I don't perceive Goat as Fruit! He's actually a good player. I just wanted him to get his thoughts out. His thoughts went out, and I approve.

Also He was talking about my vote on him not Funcall, You crazy dealers you!

[Fire Viking]

Its a scale.



Personally, I can never scumread the Calix, so I don't ever comment on it.

Drunk Fire is True Fire. He is trying to work through this. That Rintarou push convinced me.

Slaol-guy, He was scummmiest because I found everyone else to be Townier than him.
Rintarou, as above.

I should have noted it was more a Town-Null read system. Take it as that.

I feel like a sucker for this, but now you are higher in my town list.

-Fire

[Funcall]

Surely something must have struck you as town/ scummy if he's your only scum-read.
But he's not a scum-read!

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

But he's not a scum-read!

He was at the bottom of your list, just above 'scum'. That indicates a 'scum read' no?

[Funcall]

He was at the bottom of your list, just above 'scum'. That indicates a 'scum read' no?

Yes, in that way.

But its not the way I meant it. The reads was more of a Town - Null Scale, than a Town - Scum.
It was a well, everybody was townier.

And I just posted my reads. I feel like I'm flinging discrepancies.

[Funcall]

I hope Mikecall can do something with all this.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Yes, in that way.

But its not the way I meant it. The reads was more of a Town - Null Scale, than a Town - Scum.
It was a well, everybody was townier.

And I just posted my reads. I feel like I'm flinging discrepancies.

So why not just put 'town-null' instead of 'town-scum'? Clarity is a thing, m8

What do you make of Firebringer's comments on you?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I hope Mikecall can do something with all this.

You mean you want your hydra buddy to dig your slot out of the hole you made?

[Fire Viking]

You mean you want your hydra buddy to dig your slot out of the hole you made?

Why you want to make them look more like scum?
They don't look scummy at all yet. If anything its null for them.

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Why you want to make them look more like scum?
They don't look scummy at all yet. If anything its null for them.

-Fire

Not what I'm aiming to do, lovie.

[KanyeBella]

Hey guys! Just wanted to say hello! I can't post much right now But..
Omfg already 8 pages??

[Fire Viking]

Not what I'm aiming to do, lovie.

I like you too, but do you really think they are scum or is this pure reaction test?
Which I just ruined.

You think I am scum or town?

-Fire

[Funcall]

So why not just put 'town-null' instead of 'town-scum'? Clarity is a thing, m8

I made a derp.


What do you make of Firebringer's comments on you?
Uh, these are the only ones.



Okay, no.
Legit, you don't think that buddying is anything? Not scum or town? You have 0 opinion on him?
I am thinking he(Funcall) is town as of this moment for that awkward entrance.

-Fire
Okay?


This is so bad, everyone who is posted is town?
Want to give reasons beyond any of this?

-Fire
I've already answered this one


I feel like a sucker for this, but now you are higher in my town list.

-Fire
SUCCESS!

[Funcall]

I like you too, but do you really think they are scum or is this pure reaction test?
Which I just ruined.

You think I am scum or town?

-Fire
Yes, thanks Fire. We were thinking we were deceiving each-other.

Lurk-time!

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I like you too, but do you really think they are scum or is this pure reaction test?
Which I just ruined.

You think I am scum or town?

-Fire

I was/ am being combative on purpose, yes.

If I had to pick one then I would say you're rand wolf, to use Frogspeak :p

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Yes, thanks Fire. We were thinking we were deceiving each-other.

Lurk-time!

HOLY SHIT THIS ISN'T HOW YOU PLAY GAMES.

Fuck this reactive play style.

[Funcall]

HOLY SHIT THIS ISN'T HOW YOU PLAY GAMES.

Fuck this reactive play style.

o.o do you believe I'm actually going to lurk? I already promised I wouldn't!

[Fire Viking]

I was/ am being combative on purpose, yes.

If I had to pick one then I would say you're rand wolf, to use Frogspeak :p

I totally randomed wolf, love.
But I promise not to night kill you early, cause I love talking to you.

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

o.o do you believe I'm actually going to lurk? I already promised I wouldn't!

And how do I know that I can trust your word, exactly?

[Funcall]

And how do I know that I can trust your word, exactly?

If I say Lurk-time, its probably what I'm not going to do.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I totally randomed wolf, love.
But I promise not to night kill you early, cause I love talking to you.

-Fire

You're too cute.

Fancy going through Goatse's posts and finding which parts give you town vibes? You kind of busted what I was doing with Funcall, so

[Funcall]

You're too cute.

Fancy going through Goatse's posts and finding which parts give you town vibes? You kind of busted what I was doing with Funcall, so

Can we continue, I still want to win you over!

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Can we continue, I still want to win you over!

Again with the scummy-ass wording that implies you only care about what people think of you.

Why are you adapting a reactive playstyle this game? Why do you focus primarily on how others view you? Why do your main contributions to the game have to be prodded out of you?

[Fire Viking]

You're too cute.

Fancy going through Goatse's posts and finding which parts give you town vibes? You kind of busted what I was doing with Funcall, so

Listen love, if you can tell me how a sc2mod player would know the claim to claim in FM was Citizen. Explain that.
You think he read other games?

-FIre

[Funcall]

Again with the scummy-ass wording that implies you only care about what people think of you.

Why are you adapting a reactive playstyle this game? Why do you focus primarily on how others view you? Why do your main contributions to the game have to be prodded out of you?

Maybe its my nature! I don't know. I don't have the full grip of what I know.
I tend to be more confident when I know things.
I flail when I have no idea.

[Funcall]

Listen love, if you can tell me how a sc2mod player would know the claim to claim in FM was Citizen. Explain that.
You think he read other games?

-FIre

Citizen used to be the go-to claim in the mod as well, that is until there were no more games with citizen in them.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Listen love, if you can tell me how a sc2mod player would know the claim to claim in FM was Citizen. Explain that.
You think he read other games?

-FIre

Dude, it's obvious that claiming a role THAT HAS NO NIGHT ACTIONS is the easiest move for scum. That's just basic shit. I knew that in my first game simply by reading the setup.

I don't know if he has, go ask him.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Maybe its my nature! I don't know. I don't have the full grip of what I know.
I tend to be more confident when I know things.
I flail when I have no idea.

Stop being a shrinking violet and have confidence in your reads. Being wrong isn't a scum tell by itself, you know. Go ask US questions instead of being shoved around.

[FYRE]

d(o.o)b

[KanyeBella]

d(o.o)b

That's probable the scummiest post I've ever seen

FYRE

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

That's probable the scummiest post I've ever seen

FYRE

That's quite the reaction to an emoticon. Why is it the 'scummiest' post to you?

[Funcall]

That's probable the scummiest post I've ever seen

FYRE

I want your opinions on Firebringer and Borderline Crazy Dealers.
Just to give you somewhere to work from.

[Funcall]

I also want Impulse Hammer's top scum-read. Just to check something.

Who has currently seen their role card? Merely Curiosity.

I also hope that MattZed is getting a good show.

[KanyeBella]

I want your opinions on Firebringer and Borderline Crazy Dealers.
Just to give you somewhere to work from.

Let me re-read everything'd and I'll tell you

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I also want Impulse Hammer's top scum-read. Just to check something.

Who has currently seen their role card? Merely Curiosity.

I also hope that MattZed is getting a good show.

Uh, let's not with the angle-shoots. Not checking your rolecard =/= strategy.

What's the point of your last comment?

Conversely, you are actually doing something now. Baby steps!

[Funcall]

I just checked when the last time I was super active and pushy. It was when I was playing "Pass into the Iris" Ooh, those reasonings and pushings were strong.

[Funcall]

Uh, let's not with the angle-shoots. Not checking your rolecard =/= strategy.

What's the point of your last comment?

Conversely, you are actually doing something now. Baby steps!

Like I said, merely curiosity. I do it sometimes. For half the day before I can no longer contain my self, and find a scum-card waiting for me. and I always scream "WHY AM I SCUM"

I just noticed that MattZed has been here in this thread for the entire Day I think.

[KanyeBella]

All I can say from their attitude is that they're being highly aggressive, even if they claim to be scumreading that still makes them think as they're working to make someone look scummy. But well, you can say thay you're putting pressure on him so I can't blame you for nothing. Still, I'm with you Funcall! :) (atleast until I can read everything'd easier from the computer and not the mobile phone lel

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

All I can say from their attitude is that they're being highly aggressive, even if they claim to be scumreading that still makes them think as they're working to make someone look scummy. But well, you can say thay you're putting pressure on him so I can't blame you for nothing. Still, I'm with you Funcall! :) (atleast until I can read everything'd easier from the computer and not the mobile phone lel

I assume this is referring to me. What about Firebringer?

Initial impressions will be fine.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Why do you think I am 'working to make others look scummy'? What posts give you that impression and why?

[KanyeBella]

First: I was talking for you both, But I think Firebringer is less agressive than you.

Second: I don't really think you're trying to make others seem scummy, only that in your say of scum reading you're making other people seem scummy when maybe they arent

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

First: I was talking for you both, But I think Firebringer is less agressive than you.

Second: I don't really think you're trying to make others seem scummy, only that in your say of scum reading you're making other people seem scummy when maybe they arent

Fair enough. I won't explain that for now as I'd like you to pick up on things that we might miss due to meta/ being accustomed to the way we play.

What examples do you have to support that last comment of yours? Does this mean that you think Funcall is more likely to be town or was that a general comment of uncertainty?

[Funcall]

Hey all, the other counterpart is here, just going to reread the chat, if there is any questions before I get myself caught up with it, feel free to ask away.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Hey all, the other counterpart is here, just going to reread the chat, if there is any questions before I get myself caught up with it, feel free to ask away.

Comment as you read.

[KanyeBella]

Fair enough. I won't explain that for now as I'd like you to pick up on things that we might miss due to meta/ being accustomed to the way we play.

What examples do you have to support that last comment of yours? Does this mean that you think Funcall is more likely to be town or was that a general comment of uncertainty?

Well, maybe I'm thinking too much about another FM where Funcall was lynched D1 and ended being town... I'm thinking that can repeat and maybe that's affecting my logical thinking. I'm not sure any one of you is town, but I won't call you scum neither. As I'm begginer in this and all I'm used to the arcade game where the night things are almost always the things that give us who is town I can't tell what are you just by analizing your posts.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Well, maybe I'm thinking too much about another FM where Funcall was lynched D1 and ended being town... I'm thinking that can repeat and maybe that's affecting my logical thinking. I'm not sure any one of you is town, but I won't call you scum neither. As I'm begginer in this and all I'm used to the arcade game where the night things are almost always the things that give us who is town I can't tell what are you just by analizing your posts.

This is a game where you rely almost entirely on your reads. Given that the Illuminati can assume roles and cannot be 100% proven, it's a rough game to start off with. I'll copy-paste some starter points here for you to read in a mo. That might help you with forming reads/ analysing.

Also it's Day 1, so don't expect to find scum straight away.

Funce/ Mikecall have a tendency of being lynched early as they are hard to read and generally act scummy, so this is a valid concern. I have a specific reason to pick them this time, however.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

The OP of this post was a town player from MU. It was copy-pasted in Firebringer's Improvised Game. I think it may help you out.

Helz has also started a guide for new players (under 'Forum Mafia Parking' I believe) so you can check that out as well.

To clear up terms, 'villager' refers to town. 'Wolf' refers to mafia/ scum.


So if you're a villager, your two primary objectives this game should be 1) clear villagers and 2) find wolves. (Secondary objectives are stuff like 3) don't get lynched, 4) draw wolf nightkills if you're not a power role, and 5) use your powers effectively if you are a power role.) As I said before, it's best if you start with the default presumption that the people you're talking to are villagers, because 75 percent of the time, they will be. That leads to us using terms like ">rand villa" or ">rand wolf" to denote a read that someone is more likely than random chance to be a wolf or villa. Someone can be >rand wolf and still be a villager more often than not, and this is a really, really important concept. Werewolf is an inherently probabilistic game.

Just put people in buckets of varying confidence levels and see what shakes out, all the while keeping your reads dynamic and flexible.

For those who might find it helpful, here are some guidelines about the way I, personally, try to find wolves.

Ace of Spaids’ Five Rules of Wolfhunting

1) does this person seem like they have extra information? (like, do they seem like they know who's who when they're not supposed to?)

2) does this person seem like they have an agenda behind their posts? (like, do they seem like they're angling to subtly defend some people or subtly push other people?)

3) can i follow this person's thought processes? (like, does it make sense how they get from point A to point B in their reasoning, or do they make weird jumps?)

4) does this person seem pretty free-flowing and natural? (like, are they worried about how they're phrasing things, or do they just seem to be posting off the cuff?)

5) how does this person interact with others? (like, when someone asks them a question, do they respond in a natural way, or are they awkward about it? when someone pushes them, do they get overly defensive? are they ignoring certain things it doesn't make sense for them to ignore?)

6) my sixth rule of wolfhunting would probably be that people who seem to be putting an effort into blending in unobtrusively and going with the flow rather than making themselves conspicuous by their posting are usually >rand to be wolves

Basically, it's a lot like poker: what story is someone trying to tell with their posts? Are they repping villa credibly in light of their interactions and phrasings?

Also, remember: as an inherent matter, wolves have better information than villagers. This means that it is not wolfy for someone to be wrong. What matters is if it looks like they're being wrong in a systematic way in service of an unvillagery agenda.

[KanyeBella]

Sure about the starter tips :D

[Funcall]

The OP of this post was a town player from MU. It was copy-pasted in Firebringer's Improvised Game. I think it may help you out.

Funcall tends to fail on 2, 3, 4, and 5. Which is why we get lynched, and we also lurk.

~Funce

[KanyeBella]

The OP of this post was a town player from MU. It was copy-pasted in Firebringer's Improvised Game. I think it may help you out.

Helz has also started a guide for new players (under 'Forum Mafia Parking' I believe) so you can check that out as well.

To clear up terms, 'villager' refers to town. 'Wolf' refers to mafia/ scum.

Thank you for the help! Althought I'm not going to fall to your kindness... you're on my *danger* list :P

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Thank you for the help! Althought I'm not going to fall to your kindness... you're on my *danger* list :P

Oh? Why is that?

I don't expect anyone to town-read me for offering help/ tips. I would do that as any role. You can ask me questions about mafia as a game and I'll answer to the best of my knowledge. It's clearly in everyone's best interests, regardless of roles, to help players improve.

[KanyeBella]

Oh? Why is that?

I don't expect anyone to town-read me for offering help/ tips. I would do that as any role. You can ask me questions about mafia as a game and I'll answer to the best of my knowledge. It's clearly in everyone's best interests, regardless of roles, to help players improve.

I was just wanting to say that I'm basically suspicious of all of you. Instead of thinking that you're town at the beggining as the tips said I am afraid of all of you xD

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I was just wanting to say that I'm basically suspicious of all of you. Instead of thinking that you're town at the beggining as the tips said I am afraid of all of you xD

This is a town!greenie way of thinking about the game. It'll be interesting to see if you live up to this.

[KanyeBella]

This is a town!greenie way of thinking about the game. It'll be interesting to see if you live up to this.

I hope the begginer's luck is with me :D If I was a mafia I wouldn't target the newbie lel

[Funcall]

What? Actively trying to avoid hydra dissonance like this is scummy as hell.

So can you expand on your reasoning behind this post?

[Funcall]

>4. A town lynch is a lynch led by members of the town, rather than a lynch led by mafia trying to look town, or by mafia trying to win the game or illuminati trying to win the game (I use this on the mod very often, I find there are a lot of different reasons scum -vote, considering that the best option for scum to do to avoid detection is to just not -vote anyone)
>3. This is only a bad move if I am really citizen, because I am now the #1 target for the mafia killers, despite lacking a useful night ability, although the mafia killers know that I am the #1 target which will influence their decision to hit me, thus making them possibly attack the next "town acting player". If the doctor is thinking on the same level the mafia are, the exact same scenario will happen where the mafia either attack me, or another town acting player with (hopefully for the mafia) a useful night action. I think this is a good move, unless somebody wants to educate me on why it is not. I am also hopefully pushing scum into claiming a more difficult role to pretend to be? Again, unless somebody wants to tell me why I am retarded, I am 100% non-ironically all ears as to why claiming citizen day 1 is bad.
2. Fuck you, read point #3
1. I'm almost glad that I accidentally metagamed you by not voting funcall, because he already has 3 votes which makes me think that at least one scum is voting him. (again, playing by mod rules, where everything is much faster and less precise).
5. I am hoping the scum will cast a vote early, because scum ALWAYS VOTE IN THEIR OWN INTEREST. Or, If they do not vote in their own interest, are voting outside of their interest for a reason, IE to not be detected for voting suspiciously.

6. I hope that funcall is not the doctor, because that would be extremely bad (I AM ASSUMING THERE IS ONE OF EACH ROLE BTW, WHICH IS WHY I CLAIMED MY ROLE DAY 1)
[vote]funcall[ /vote]

PS: I am wondering why you are appealing so much to me Rintarou? Are you legitimately just a town-alligned mod player, or are you trying to sucker the noob Goatse player into voting with you because we have both played most of our mafia games on the sc2 mod? Just saying that I am looking atchu bud :)

So why are you relating the information back to a "Doctor"?

So you continuted to persist in the vote on myself? so are your reasons for this?

Why do you think that "Myself" is a doctor from what I am seeing?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

So can you expand on your reasoning behind this post?

Public disagreements with hydras is a scum tell from what I know about them. It means they can't keep their story straight. So someone who has to note that they are avoiding that is rolling in the scum.

I want to note that Mikecall's first post that he comments on a) relates to him and b) was post 108. That's quite a lot to miss out.

[Funcall]

Public disagreements with hydras is a scum tell from what I know about them. It means they can't keep their story straight. So someone who has to note that they are avoiding that is rolling in the scum.

I want to note that Mikecall's first post that he comments on a) relates to him and b) was post 108. That's quite a lot to miss out.

Who said I was doing them in order, I am just doing it from posts which caught my eye.

[Funcall]

Who said I was doing them in order, I am just doing it from posts which caught my eye.

But to add, I saw a post before showing you read Fire as NAI?

What is NAI?
And if so, why do you think fire was NAI?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

But to add, I saw a post before showing you read Fire as NAI?

What is NAI?
And if so, why do you think fire was NAI?

Not Alignment Indicative.

I felt that Firebringer would have made that post as any alignment. (aka, it was a null tell)

[Fire Viking]

Not Alignment Indicative.

I felt that Firebringer would have made that post as any alignment. (aka, it was a null tell)

What would town fire do if I may ask?
I mean, if you tell me if I was scum I would replicate it, but what is town fire, what is scum fire?

-FIre

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

What would town fire do if I may ask?
I mean, if you tell me if I was scum I would replicate it, but what is town fire, what is scum fire?

-FIre

This post is a whole bunch of wut.

If I told you details on what I think your scum play is like, why would you replicate that behaviour unless you wanted to be scum-read?

If I told you details on what I think your town play is like, you'd be more likely to replicate that behaviour.

The general difference (not going into specifics) is the 'town Fire doesn't give a fuck and is ragey, scum Fire is serious and calm' meta which you already know about.

[Funcall]

This is a game where you rely almost entirely on your reads. Given that the Illuminati can assume roles and cannot be 100% proven, it's a rough game to start off with. I'll copy-paste some starter points here for you to read in a mo. That might help you with forming reads/ analysing.

Also it's Day 1, so don't expect to find scum straight away.

Funce/ Mikecall have a tendency of being lynched early as they are hard to read and generally act scummy, so this is a valid concern. I have a specific reason to pick them this time, however.

So if you think Myself and Funce would be an easy lynch target? Do you think you can expand on this.

Because from what I am reading, you are trying to use meta again in order to decipher the reads from Funcall in general.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Vote Count Update

Funcall (3 [L-2]):
Borderline Crazy Dealers, Impulse Hammer, GoatseOntheCupboard
FYRE (2 [L-3]):
Dracule Magahnimarhawke, KanyeBella

Firebringer, what do you make of these current wagons?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

So if you think Myself and Funce would be an easy lynch target? Do you think you can expand on this.

Because from what I am reading, you are trying to use meta again in order to decipher the reads from Funcall in general.

Yes, do you want me to post the games where you, Mikecall, have been lynched early? Because I think Spore, Standard and Improvised Mafia are three good examples of this.

[Fire Viking]

Vote Count Update

Funcall (3 [L-2]):
Borderline Crazy Dealers, Impulse Hammer, GoatseOntheCupboard
FYRE (2 [L-3]):
Dracule Magahnimarhawke, KanyeBella

Firebringer, what do you make of these current wagons?

I think they are both kind of shitty, if I had to choose I would take FYRE, but I don't know if he will readable by the end of this day.

-Fire

[Funcall]

Helz here

I want to state right now I have 0 intentions of leading the town. Said it prior to game in the setup or some shit.
Also

Funcall

Participate this time bro

I aint even sure what to make of this post, so if you say you would have 0 intention on leading the town, can you expand on why you would instantly vote and not bring in explanation?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I think they are both kind of shitty, if I had to choose I would take FYRE, but I don't know if he will readable by the end of this day.

-Fire

The first thing I thought is how weird it is that the wagons are this consolidated so early on. I don't have a definitive conclusion from that but it strikes me as odd.

[Funcall]

Yes, do you want me to post the games where you, Mikecall, have been lynched early? Because I think Spore, Standard and Improvised Mafia are three good examples of this.

Alright, I will admit, they are good examples.

[Fire Viking]

The first thing I thought is how weird it is that the wagons are this consolidated so early on. I don't have a definitive conclusion from that but it strikes me as odd.

That is actually a very good point, usually the wagons are very scattered......okay you are back in nulls rather than possible scum..

-Fire

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

That is actually a very good point, usually the wagons are very scattered......okay you are back in nulls rather than possible scum..

-Fire

This is purely from wagonomics but it makes me think that the two leading trains are more likely to be town.

However, half the players have not posted much, so it's possible that the scum are just not worried about the trains at this point in time and thus don't feel the need to intervene. I think it's important to note how players react as they post more.

Right now it's a circlejerk between, what, 4-5 players?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

And in accordance with that:

unvote

Nice and even wagons now ;)

[Fire Viking]

RLVG here, Let's take a read, shall we?

... Mad Doctor...
Moar mad doctor...
Goatse not making use of fucking paragraphs... Crumbs Citizen? Iunno

Funcall is being scummy with his play. An ISO makes it easy to see.


In my opinion, the Mafia shouldn't use their names in the night chat. They should just name themselves "Godfather" and "Consort" and type differently to make it harder for the Illuminati to know who they are. Even if there is no Illuminati, this doesn't hurt the Mafia much.

Also there's some WIFOM when it comes to kills because the Mafia might actually...want to hit scummy players if they think they're Illuminati.

This suggestion makes me think you're scum, as a Mafia who wants insurance for their actions or as Illuminati for WIFOM to look Town so that the Mafia wouldn't hit them.



I guess we found the two scum! Need to be off for now, back in a hour or so.

~ RLVG

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

RLVG here, Let's take a read, shall we?

... Mad Doctor...
Moar mad doctor...
Goatse not making use of fucking paragraphs... Crumbs Citizen? Iunno

Funcall is being scummy with his play. An ISO makes it easy to see.



This suggestion makes me think you're scum, as a Mafia who wants insurance for their actions or as Illuminati for WIFOM to look Town so that the Mafia wouldn't hit them.



I guess we found the two scum! Need to be off for now, back in a hour or so.

~ RLVG

Why do you think the Illuminati would fear night kills when they can override the Godfather?

What posts from Funcall do you think are scummy?

Why do you chose to focus on a claim above anything else that has happened in the chat? Do you have any town reads, for example?

[Funcall]

And how do I know that I can trust your word, exactly?

I thought it was self explanatory.

[Funcall]

Weirdly enough, I want to hear more from Impulse.

Impulse_Hammer

Just because Impulse hasnt readily contributed a lot to the chat which just suggests scum lurking with potential town.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Weirdly enough, I want to hear more from Impulse.

Impulse_Hammer

Just because Impulse hasnt readily contributed a lot to the chat which just suggests scum lurking with potential town.

Does this mean that you think everyone who is active is town?

[Funcall]

Does this mean that you think everyone who is active is town?

No, because that would just contradict that all scum are lurkers and active players to be town

What I am saying is, I would of thought Helz, Ika and Silverwolf would of contributed a lot of information than just blank out stating that they would have zero attention to the town itself.

But they havent contributed anything, even trying to help us all out, making it a lot harder for him to be read.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

No, because that would just contradict that all scum are lurkers and active players to be town

What I am saying is, I would of thought Helz, Ika and Silverwolf would of contributed a lot of information than just blank out stating that they would have zero attention to the town itself.

But they havent contributed anything, even trying to help us all out, making it a lot harder for him to be read.

So it's a meta read?

[Funcall]

So it's a meta read?

Pretty much, even thought meta reads can be biased.

[Funcall]

Also it seems that my vote didnt count before xD.

Impulse Hammer

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Pretty much, even thought meta reads can be biased.

I think it's a bad vote, given that the game has only gone on for like, six hours at the most. It means you're not pressuring or questioning someone who is around.

[Funcall]

I think it's a bad vote, given that the game has only gone on for like, six hours at the most. It means you're not pressuring or questioning someone who is around.

Hm, its a fair point,



However, he is still on one of my suspicious though at the moment.

[Funcall]

Hey kanyebella, I see you are on.

[Funcall]

What do you think about the current vote system at the moment?

[Funcall]

What do you think about the current vote system at the moment?

Well votes I should say.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Well votes I should say.

What do YOU think of the votes?

[KanyeBella]

I was going to ask exactly that xD. Well, considering that my vote of FYRE was stupid, I don't think they are important. The votes that you have as I already said, I think it's basically to pressure you and don't have a lot of meaning. Only maybe there are scum wanting to lynch you quick to get a town killed and then say "ooops" and pretend they did their Best.

[KanyeBella]

invite

[KanyeBella]

unvote

[KanyeBella]

Is that the way it works?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I was going to ask exactly that xD. Well, considering that my vote of FYRE was stupid, I don't think they are important. The votes that you have as I already said, I think it's basically to pressure you and don't have a lot of meaning. Only maybe there are scum wanting to lynch you quick to get a town killed and then say "ooops" and pretend they did their Best.

So yeah, why did you vote FYRE? You said that his emoticon was scummy, but never answered my question about it.

What do you mean by 'I don't think they are important'? Are you referring to FYRE's role or what? And why would your vote being stupid have an impact on what role he has?