S-FM 186: Firebringer's Improvised Game

[Firebringer]

Firebringers Improvised Game
Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33203-S-FM-Firebringer-s-Improvised-Game)


Story: There was a long climatic battle years ago, and for some reason people decided to merge, they called themselves "hydras" for whatever reason. They populate the planet now or something. And now they want to play mafia I guess. This is their game or story. Or something. Maybe it is telling of how the events really transpired, I can't be bothered with it.


Players:
1. Calette (Toadette+Calix)
2. TheDarkestLight
3. OrpZedWorlds (Orpz+MattZed+Deathworlds)
4. Spearheading Female Tank (Gamefreak+Sen+ThePaladin)
5. Funcall (Funce+Mikecall)
6. RLVG
7. Nicolas Cage (SuperJack+MikeU+AVION)
8. Hell Frog (Frog+Helz)
9. Empathy17 (Silverwolf+Ika)


Important Events:

Night 1 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35360-S-FM-187-Firebringer-s-Improvised-Game?p=577983&viewfull=1#post577983)
Day 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/35360-S-FM-187-Firebringer-s-Improvised-Game?p=578402&viewfull=1#post578402)

[Firebringer]

Day 1:



Player List:
Roles
GraveYard


1. Calette
2. TheDarkestLight
3. OrpZedWorlds
4. Spearheading Female Tank
5. Funcall
6. RLVG
7. Nicolas Cage
8. Hell Frog
9. Empathy17

Improvised Town
Improvised Town
Improvised Town
Improvised Town
Improvised Town
Improvised Town
Improvised Neutral
Improvised Mafia
Improvised Mafia





With 9 Alive, 5

Day Ends:
02:10:00:00


Side Notes:
Starting it earlier than planned because I will be busy on the time the countdown had been set to. So added a few extra hours.


Please remember rules on out of game communication. You are of course allowed to talk to hydra partners throughout the game. You cannot talk to anyone else in the game that is not in your hydra outside of the game.

[Empathy17]

OMG we are a fucking miller......

[Calette]

Who is the Paladin/Sen hydra? I want to vote it.

Paladin was asking scummy questions in the setup thread. They probably asked for a scum role. Slipped already.

[Nicolas Cage]

I could eat a peach for hours.... Ohhh yea.

[Calette]

Oh duh

Spearheading Female Tank

Also what gives? Where is my avatar? Stupid host

[Nicolas Cage]

Sometimes people think I'm wearing a wig when I'm not wearing a wig, and then sometimes they think I'm not wearing a wig when I am wearing a wig.

http://dorkshelf.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads//2012/04/Vampires-Kiss-Nicolas-Cage.jpg

Also hi.

[Calette]

Hi SuperJack.

[Nicolas Cage]

Hi SuperJack.

I do not know this Handsome devil. But if I did, I'd r8t him 8/8

[Calette]

So our accounts aren't advanced enough to have anything save for those pre-made avatars. Hope Fuckbringer fixes that.

Also what even are half of these names, lol

[Nicolas Cage]

So our accounts aren't advanced enough to have anything save for those pre-made avatars. Hope Fuckbringer fixes that.

Also what even are half of these names, lol

Well, today’s your lucky day, ’cause I brought an eagle.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/sorcerers-apprentice/images/9/9f/Balthazar's_Eagle.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120207215231

[Nicolas Cage]

I'm Ready! ...I'm Ready for the BIG RIDE BAAABYYYY!

[Spearheading Female Tank]

TheDarkestLight
y u forever alone?

@Calette: Our name is an anagram of ThePaladin + GameFreak + Sen.

[Firebringer]

Trying to fix the avatar issue that is affecting Hydras.

[Nicolas Cage]

OMG we are a fucking miller......

You will tell me or I will eat your stinking soul!

[Empathy17]

You will tell me or I will eat your stinking soul!

tell you what?

[Nicolas Cage]

Hi SuperJack.
Bangers and mash! Bubbles and squeak! Smoked eel pie! Haggis!

[Nicolas Cage]

OMG we are a fucking miller......

All quotes aside. What is this? A role claim?

[Empathy17]

All quotes aside. What is this? A role claim?

Its a negative utility of our role

[Nicolas Cage]

Its a negative utility of our role

Well, Baby O, it’s not exactly mai-tais and Yahtzee over here either... Least we're not giving out vague role information.

[Nicolas Cage]

Its a negative utility of our role
The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well.

Being fair, the only reason to claim Miller as your opening post is to have an excuse ready for when you come up as scum. An actual Miller shouldn't be concerned about being checked because no decent townie should be attracting the attention of Cops ever.

<insert paranoia about Jesters and shit>

[Calette]

The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well.

The way they presented that aspect of their role suggests that it wasn't something they put in at the start. If Firebriner added in a Miller aspect, then that implies that there's at least one investigative role that would be countered by the Miller.

That assumes that they tell the truth, of course. Considering how easy it is for town to lose majority, it can also be a gambit by scum, but I think the first option is more likely. (scum would be somewhat less likely to claim that first thing due to the risk)

[Hell Frog]

The way they presented that aspect of their role suggests that it wasn't something they put in at the start. If Firebriner added in a Miller aspect, then that implies that there's at least one investigative role that would be countered by the Miller.

That assumes that they tell the truth, of course. Considering how easy it is for town to lose majority, it can also be a gambit by scum, but I think the first option is more likely. (scum would be somewhat less likely to claim that first thing due to the risk)

Narrative sounds off there.

*waves*

[Empathy17]

omg is this going to be a day 1 disucssiona bout how a miller should play now?

[Hell Frog]

I'm going to be around for now. Anyone here atm? Let's get some faster paced back and forths.

[Hell Frog]

omg is this going to be a day 1 disucssiona bout how a miller should play now?

Would it be not town to discuss miller options?

[Calette]

Narrative sounds off there.

*waves*

You need to get an avatar m8

How does it sound off? 6v2v1 means we only have two mislynches.

With that in mind, it's reasonable to assume that high-risk gambits are likely this game. Definitely not the setup to blindly follow a lead in any case.

[Empathy17]

Would it be not town to discuss miller options?

people can dicussus it but if its litarly goign to boil down to "is this town or scum" or "how does one play miller" we are wasting our time

[Empathy17]

Calette

[Spearheading Female Tank]

we are wasting our time
Yet you haven't talked about anything other than that.

[Hell Frog]

You need to get an avatar m8

How does it sound off? 6v2v1 means we only have two mislynches.

With that in mind, it's reasonable to assume that high-risk gambits are likely this game. Definitely not the setup to blindly follow a lead in any case.

I agree with the premise of your point. Your perspective seemed 3P.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

How does it sound off? 6v2v1 means we only have two mislynches..
Half-empty glass much? 6v2v1 means we started the game with a 33% chance of hitting scum on D1, and that's without considering analysis.

[Hell Frog]

people can dicussus it but if its litarly goign to boil down to "is this town or scum" or "how does one play miller" we are wasting our time

I'm asking you whether a Town would never consider the miller option. Which appeared to be your premise.

[Calette]

Calette

What about my posts pinged you?


Half-empty glass much? 6v2v1 means we started the game with a 33% chance of hitting scum on D1, and that's without considering analysis.

I'd rather not overestimate how many mistakes we can afford to make.

[Empathy17]

Yet you haven't talked about anything other than that.

thats cus silver is out and im waiting on her, you can also see where i have put my vote

[Empathy17]

I'm asking you whether a Town would never consider the miller option. Which appeared to be your premise.

wut? where helz

[Hell Frog]

Sorry for the curt posts, I was clicking keys on a virtual keyboard instead of typing on an actual keyboard. I'm going to head to the roof, please consider rapid fire everyone currently on right now. It's very good for tone reading.

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Hell Frog, Calette, Empathy17, Firebringer, Nicolas Cage

[Spearheading Female Tank]

thats cus silver is out and im waiting on her, you can also see where i have put my vote
Your vote is meaningless without a reason behind it.
The purpose of hydras is to have many heads working together, not to use other heads' absence as an excuse for being inconsistent.

[Calette]

thats cus silver is out and im waiting on her, you can also see where i have put my vote

Last time I checked, this is a HYDRA game. Kindly use your brain and provide your OWN insight on things instead of relying solely on your partner, thx

Yes, that vote which you have yet to explain.

[Nicolas Cage]

Your vote is meaningless without a reason behind it.
The purpose of hydras is to have many heads working together, not to use other heads' absence as an excuse for being inconsistent.

WELL SAID! Nicolas Cage Approves.

[Empathy17]

Your vote is meaningless without a reason behind it.
The purpose of hydras is to have many heads working together, not to use other heads' absence as an excuse for being inconsistent.

sorry but you dont know how hydras work then, the last thing we need is disronsance. i always wait on silver no matter what. she should be aorund shortly for a few mins to talk. its not inconstent at all. anyone should knwo thta when me and silver hdyra that she is the main person


Last time I checked, this is a HYDRA game. Kindly use your brain and provide your OWN insight on things instead of relying solely on your partner, thx

Yes, that vote which you have yet to explain.

who said i was? we work as a team, i dont have to explain a vote at all. its up for you but your defensiveness of a signle vote is noted

[Spearheading Female Tank]

"I'm deep in shit after that Miller claim and can't get out by myself. Gonna wait for someone more experienced to come up with a feasible justification for my mess".
Empathy17

[Hell Frog]

@Empathy

I think you're quite right. The premise questions regarding the miller option and responses is more likely than not not even indicative.

I wanted your opinion on specific indications that could or couldn't be generated by the questions to get you to think about it further.

As Calette correctly points out, the miller option would necessarily feed into the setup - aka setup speculation discussion.

I think there is quite a lot to take into account regarding the topic of miller, but whether or not miller being indicative of alignment, have to agree with you here.

However discouraging conversation that would organically grow from that, can't disagree with you further.

6 villagers vs. 3 non villagers - the miller option serves to bolster wolves win condition unnecessarily considering the game tilt is already in the wolves favour.

Not only is this option doubtful in general, pending majority of roles being investigative in nature, but to claim the miller option in the first place is kind of hilarious when taking setup spec in the first place.

I'm going to assume it's just weird lynch bait and non-indicative.

However Calette looks very good from this exchange, and you look exceptionally tilting being dismissive in nature.

Empathy17

[Nicolas Cage]

sorry but you dont know how hydras work then, the last thing we need is disronsance. i always wait on silver no matter what. she should be aorund shortly for a few mins to talk. its not inconstent at all. anyone should knwo thta when me and silver hdyra that she is the main person

Not to sound Rude but... From what We've seen so far, That's a lie.

And that's coming from Nicolas Cage.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Also gotta love how you voted Calette, yet expect your other head to make up an excuse for that vote. lol

[Calette]

sorry but you dont know how hydras work then, the last thing we need is disronsance. i always wait on silver no matter what. she should be aorund shortly for a few mins to talk. its not inconstent at all. anyone should knwo thta when me and silver hdyra that she is the main person



who said i was? we work as a team, i dont have to explain a vote at all. its up for you but your defensiveness of a signle vote is noted

So you are just going to sheep Silver the entire game? Teams generally require initiative from BOTH players.

Guess that's no different from the usual though.

Wanting a reason for a naked vote =/= defensive and defensive =/= scum tell. Your (implied) reasoning for 'noting' that is flawed.

[Empathy17]

Also gotta love how you voted Calette, yet expect your other head to make up an excuse for that vote. lol

considering how she will probally agree and can explin better then me? yes silver knows im posting before so im nto doign anything on my own

[Empathy17]

So you are just going to sheep Silver the entire game? Teams generally require initiative from BOTH players.

Guess that's no different from the usual though.

Wanting a reason for a naked vote =/= defensive and defensive =/= scum tell. Your (implied) reasoning for 'noting' that is flawed.

your discredit only jsutified me endpoint

[Empathy17]

3 votes already.....

funny how that happens

[Spearheading Female Tank]

However Calette looks very good from this exchange, and you look exceptionally tilting being dismissive in nature.
Calette is being super passive, considering the persons behind that account.
If I'm voting Empathy instead is because seriously... look at those replies.

[Empathy17]

Calette is being super passive, considering the persons behind that account.
If I'm voting Empathy instead is because seriously... look at those replies.

what about them?

[Empathy17]

i take it that that is sen right now?

[Calette]

Yeah you're speaking to Sen, Calix, Frog and SuperJack if I am correct.

[Nicolas Cage]

Yeah you're speaking to Sen, Calix, Frog and SuperJack if I am correct.

Not SuperJack. Nicolas Cage Is his own Man!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PDnW5XxjwI8/hqdefault.jpg

[Spearheading Female Tank]

what about them?
They are the stupidest thing I've seen today, along with this panda: http://i.imgur.com/FBrjajy.gifv

There's an absurd lack of logical soundness in your actions and replies:
- First you claim Miller, theen refuse to comment further on the matter.
- You vote Calette, yet never give a single valid reason for doing so.
- When questioned, you reply with such gems as "my other head will explain it" and "I don't need to explain my votes".

Scum or VI. Your pick.

[Hell Frog]

Calette is being super passive, considering the persons behind that account.
If I'm voting Empathy instead is because seriously... look at those replies.

Honestly, I'm not complaining if there's less early hostility. The slow bait pays off early stage.

I'm tinfoiling you may be right

[Calette]

Calette is being super passive, considering the persons behind that account.
If I'm voting Empathy instead is because seriously... look at those replies.

Having withdrawal symptoms already, dear?

No need to worry about that.

[Empathy17]

They are the stupidest thing I've seen today, along with this panda: http://i.imgur.com/FBrjajy.gifv

There's an absurd lack of logical soundness in your actions and replies:
- First you claim Miller, theen refuse to comment further on the matter.
- You vote Calette, yet never give a single valid reason for doing so.
- When questioned, you reply with such gems as "my other head will explain it" and "I don't need to explain my votes".

Scum or VI. Your pick.

sen, you should knwo im not a logical person im a gut and impulse person you want logic you can wait on silverwolf, she is my better half

[Empathy17]

All you guys can fuck off!!!! I haven't had a chance to post and won't until 4:30 or so Central so bite me if you lynch a town hydra before both heads can speak you are fucking stupid!!!!

~SilverWolf

[Empathy17]

hi silver my love! i know you are busy so im doign what i can for now.

I love you! *hugs*

[Empathy17]

Yeah you're speaking to Sen, Calix, Frog and SuperJack if I am correct.

so i got the "i hate ika club" people to talk to right now?

this is goignt o be fun...

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Having withdrawal symptoms already, dear?

No need to worry about that.
*shrugs* There's only way to know for sure.
Will be back in some 30 minutes.

[Hell Frog]

lmao...

http://49.media.tumblr.com/4bd925fb17d9f8cb3dd31abe3834dc28/tumblr_n4e8jbXjYs1skygwqo1_400.gif

[Calette]

lmao...

http://49.media.tumblr.com/4bd925fb17d9f8cb3dd31abe3834dc28/tumblr_n4e8jbXjYs1skygwqo1_400.gif

Before you start crafting theories, I'd like to tell you that they did this in the other game we were in. (Flashpoint)

Shit is going to be hilarious with one account.

So you can check that out if you want more context. Both were town that game, FYI

[Hell Frog]

Before you start crafting theories, I'd like to tell you that they did this in the other game we were in. (Flashpoint)

Shit is going to be hilarious with one account.

So you can check that out if you want more context. Both were town that game, FYI

I just read the first 15 pages.

I don't have the words, but I'm glad you brought it up. I've got a much better idea now.

[Nicolas Cage]

So uhhhhh... Yea.

http://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly9y1q2wab1r4etbjo1_r1_500.gif

[Calette]

All you guys can fuck off!!!! I haven't had a chance to post and won't until 4:30 or so Central so bite me if you lynch a town hydra before both heads can speak you are fucking stupid!!!!

~SilverWolf

LOOOOOOL

[Calette]

Why is nobody discussing the reasoning behind my initial vote? It was the signup thread BTW, not the setup thread. Paladin was looking for fake claim room, and asking questions about disguisers

Instead it's Flashpoint all over again with silveka whining about everything

[Spearheading Female Tank]

FFS. http://i.imgur.com/hDRtgut.png

[Calette]

3 votes already.....

funny how that happens

Counting is hard.

[Calette]

FFS. http://i.imgur.com/hDRtgut.png

Fuckbringer forgot to add 10 posts onto our accounts to bypass this rule. I'll let him know now.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

The forum is eating my replies. Pretend I said something to move the discussion forward.

[Empathy17]

now im kinda amused by everyones problems

[Empathy17]

Why is nobody discussing the reasoning behind my initial vote? It was the signup thread BTW, not the setup thread. Paladin was looking for fake claim room, and asking questions about disguisers

Instead it's Flashpoint all over again with silveka whining about everything

you had reasons?

[Empathy17]

LOOOOOOL

congradulations on adding nothign new and being an anti town entitie,

[Calette]

you had reasons?


Who is the Paladin/Sen hydra? I want to vote it.

Paladin was asking scummy questions in the setup thread. They probably asked for a scum role. Slipped already.

Reading is hard too.

[Empathy17]

Reading is hard too.

it is when the reason you have put is weak itself. this is upick the alginemtns are random assigned, good job on makingbad reasons yoru self

[Spearheading Female Tank]

What the forum devoured:
First I stated that we shouldn't waste more time with the Villa Edwin.

I said something about Calette posting fluffs, and included a pictured of a fluffy bunny.

Then I asked hell Frog is their opinion had changed after Calette pointed out that bad play seems to be a common thing for Empathy, and not unique to this game.

[Calette]

it is when the reason you have put is weak itself. this is upick the alginemtns are random assigned, good job on makingbad reasons yoru self

Let's see, I give a reasoning to vote, albeit weak, to start conversation. It's ignored

You give no reason and then state that you won't discuss it until someone comes and explains it for you.

Hmm. Seriously can't tell if stupid on purpose or not here.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Village*

As for your vote, I think the reason is as dumb as it gets. Might as well vote us because there's a tank in our avatar. The nazis had tanks, and Hitler was a nazi.

[Calette]

Vote Count Update

Spearheading Female Tank (1 [L-4]):
Calette
Empathy17 (2 [L-3]):
Spearheading Female Tank, Hell Frog
Calette (1 [L-4]):
Empathy17

[Empathy17]

Let's see, I give a reasoning to vote, albeit weak, to start conversation. It's ignored

You give no reason and then state that you won't discuss it until someone comes and explains it for you.

Hmm. Seriously can't tell if stupid on purpose or not here.

well when you say my reason is weak im just going to do the same to you.

i mean your reason in istelf is a fallacy cus like i said, the alignments are ranodomes so if you haev a VAILD point, im more then happy to hear something

[Empathy17]

What the forum devoured:
First I stated that we shouldn't waste more time with the Villa Edwin.

I said something about Calette posting fluffs, and included a pictured of a fluffy bunny.

Then I asked hell Frog is their opinion had changed after Calette pointed out that bad play seems to be a common thing for Empathy, and not unique to this game.

you seem to be directing that at me, thanks for your dicreditnig imputs, its funny you couldnt jsut get yoruself lynced

[Calette]

well when you say my reason is weak im just going to do the same to you.

i mean your reason in istelf is a fallacy cus like i said, the alignments are ranodomes so if you haev a VAILD point, im more then happy to hear something

So you admit that you will claim that someone else's reasoning is weak...because they did the same to you? How is this the way to approach things?

[Calette]

Village*

As for your vote, I think the reason is as dumb as it gets. Might as well vote us because there's a tank in our avatar. The nazis had tanks, and Hitler was a nazi.

Lol wut? Paladin asked questions specifically that would benefit a scum role, implying he was in a scum mindset when submitting a role. What does that have to do with Hitler. Bad analogy.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

you seem to be directing that at me, thanks for your dicreditnig imputs, its funny you couldnt jsut get yoruself lynced
You claim that you don't use logic when playing. Your other head simply insults everyone all day long.

Discrediting implies having a (good) reputation to harm in the first place. As long as you play like this, you could reveal as the Mayor and noone would take you seriously anyway.

[Firebringer]

FFS. http://i.imgur.com/hDRtgut.png

This should not be occurring. If it happens again, pls inform me or admin.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Lol wut? Paladin asked questions specifically that would benefit a scum role, implying he was in a scum mindset when submitting a role. What does that have to do with Hitler. Bad analogy.
It has to do nothing with Hitler, just like pre-rolecards posts have nothing to do with anything.

I was the one who submitted the role, by the way. Following your meta fluffs, you should not only unvote me, but sheep me al lday long, knowing how I favour Town because it's my dominant alignment by far.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

This should not be occurring. If it happens again, pls inform me or admin.

Will do. Thanks.

[Empathy17]

So you admit that you will claim that someone else's reasoning is weak...because they did the same to you? How is this the way to approach things?

nah, not really.im jsut doign it to you spcificly cus your using a false reasion, mins is weak

[Calette]

nah, not really.im jsut doign it to you spcificly cus your using a false reasion, mins is weak

If the reasoning is so false, why did you completely ignore it initially until I brought it up again?

[Empathy17]

You claim that you don't use logic when playing. Your other head simply insults everyone all day long.

Discrediting implies having a (good) reputation to harm in the first place. As long as you play like this, you could reveal as the Mayor and noone would take you seriously anyway.

considering how silver is not like at all and that she has called out scums more often then not, your makign a great job of yourself right now.

or should i remind you how she was practily the one who called out the scum team while you were sill trying to crclyejerk yourslef with trying to lynch me of the shittiest reason ever?

[Calette]

It has to do nothing with Hitler, just like pre-rolecards posts have nothing to do with anything.

I was the one who submitted the role, by the way. Following your meta fluffs, you should not only unvote me, but sheep me al lday long, knowing how I favour Town because it's my dominant alignment by far.

Not that I'm complaining about your attitude to the game in and of itself, but your focus on calling people out on 'fluff posts' when we are not even 100 posts into the game strikes me as a weird diversion from your usual flippancy. For example, I remember that you once complained that I was taking the game too seriously by saying that people were not contributing enough after a similar number of posts. Care to explain?

[Empathy17]

If the reasoning is so false, why did you completely ignore it initially until I brought it up again?

cus i mostly filther out post by you because all you guys can seem to do is hate on me for whatever reason?

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Not that I'm complaining about your attitude to the game in and of itself, but your focus on calling people out on 'fluff posts' when we are not even 100 posts into the game strikes me as a weird diversion from your usual flippancy. For example, I remember that you once complained that I was taking the game too seriously by saying that people were not contributing enough after a similar number of posts. Care to explain?
Context; some games have many pages of shitposting, while others enter the serious business phase pretty soon. This case is the latter, while that other game was a shitposting storm mixed with a no-lynch day.

[Calette]

cus i mostly filther out post by you because all you guys can seem to do is hate on me for whatever reason?

Stop being a self-pitying, whiny codependent and you might see less 'hate'

Before you respond to this post with more whining, consider replacing that with some actual game-relevant content.

[Empathy17]

Stop being a self-pitying, whiny codependent and you might see less 'hate'

Before you respond to this post with more whining, consider replacing that with some actual game-relevant content.

why should i? all you guys is do give hate so it only enforces what i do.

maybe if you guys stopped shitting on everythign i would not be so resentful

[Calette]

Context; some games have many pages of shitposting, while others enter the serious business phase pretty soon. This case is the latter, while that other game was a shitposting storm mixed with a no-lynch day.

I accept this reasoning.

Do you think there's anything of note with SJ's contributions or do you think it's just him trolling? He's not been talked about a lot and we have enough focus on Empathy17.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

why should i? all you guys is do give hate so it only enforces what i do.

maybe if you guys stopped shitting on everythign i would not be so resentful

Why should you? Because you signed up for a game of Mafia, not for a drama pageant.

We asked you for reasoning behind a vote. Where's the hate in that? The supposed "hate" is only due to you failing to do anything relevant to the game, while spamming page after page with uncalled whining.

[Calette]

why should i? all you guys is do give hate so it only enforces what i do.

maybe if you guys stopped shitting on everythign i would not be so resentful

"Nothing is my fault. People force me to do bad things!"

You're the only one in control of your own emotions. Want to help yourself? Hug a teddy bear. Watch TV with your mother. See a bloody therapist.

Anything other than whining about it online.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

I accept this reasoning.

Do you think there's anything of note with SJ's contributions or do you think it's just him trolling? He's not been talked about a lot and we have enough focus on Empathy17.

I don't like to rely on meta, but SJ is one of those who usually start the game until D2, or at least in regards of participating in the chat with serious input, so while he hasn't done anything other than shitposting, I don't see it as indicative of alignment.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

@Empathy: Even if you are a "gut person", said gut feelings always respond to something that you picked up on, even if you aren't aware of it, so instead of using gut as an excuse, try to find the reason behind that gut vote.

Something made you vote Calette instead of anyone else. Find the reason and let us know.

[Calette]

I don't like to rely on meta, but SJ is one of those who usually start the game until D2, or at least in regards of participating in the chat with serious input, so while he hasn't done anything other than shitposting, I don't see it as indicative of alignment.

There was one post, where he seemed to break out of that for a moment to prod Empathy, that struck me as being townie. I encourage you to reread his posts and see if you can figure out which one I refer to.

But other than that, I agree that SJ is doing his usual thing.

[Nicolas Cage]

I don't like to rely on meta, but SJ is one of those who usually start the game until D2, or at least in regards of participating in the chat with serious input, so while he hasn't done anything other than shitposting, I don't see it as indicative of alignment.

Remember it's not just me here. I have two new players who you should probably take in consideration before you try to read me. :P

[Empathy17]

"Nothing is my fault. People force me to do bad things!"

You're the only one in control of your own emotions. Want to help yourself? Hug a teddy bear. Watch TV with your mother. See a bloody therapist.

Anything other than whining about it online.

my emotions are fine right now, how come your sut butthurt about the pettyness

[Empathy17]

Why should you? Because you signed up for a game of Mafia, not for a drama pageant.

We asked you for reasoning behind a vote. Where's the hate in that? The supposed "hate" is only due to you failing to do anything relevant to the game, while spamming page after page with uncalled whining.

me posting whining is ganering attention

[Empathy17]

you guys give negative feeback you enforce my negtive attitude

[Calette]

me posting whining is ganering attention

For the wrong reasons, yes. Call back when you want to add to the discussion.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Remember it's not just me here. I have two new players who you should probably take in consideration before you try to read me. :P
That's a fair point.

@Calette: Will go read that now.

[Empathy17]

For the wrong reasons, yes. Call back when you want to add to the discussion.

i have been.

its more amusing to me to see how you guys bithc about me when i do the same so we are at an impass

[TheDarkestLight]

No one loves me, that's why I'm alone.

Here are some notes on the more prominent players.

Empathy is town, the first post was simply too out there and I doubt a scum would ever post "I'm Miller" on the very first post of the game, that's just stupid. The current votes seem to be on the basis of the miller claim or the lack of skill/desire for assistance from the Hydra. Skill does not make alignment.

Calette is a null read. I don't care how much they contribute and scumhunt, scumhunting alone does not make a town. Scum can scumhunt and then everyone instantly reads them as town for this, which is pathetic. Now, it's early in the game and I haven't noticed anything inherently scummy from this individual either, so null for now.

Tank is posting opinions that I personally believe a scum would have, such as how a Miller wouldn't claim because "A town shouldn't be attracting the attention of the cop", well that's a load of bullshit because it isn't up to them, it's up to the cop. When I'm a Cop I check null reads, not town or scum reads, yet that's me, not anyone else. Some people might have other ways of going about it, and the other said reasons include voting Calette with no explanation, and accusing them of needing hydra support.

Well, early on I think votes without reason are perfectly valid. Conversations need to be started and votes can do that, also, as for the "relying on the Hydra to give reasoning" doesn't really make much sense to me when it comes to scum arguments, as it's still the same account, and same role, it's not like you're talking to a differently aligned person.

Also, the hydra mechanic I think gives me an advantage as with two or three people, it only takes one to mess up to ruin everything, and although I don't have two or three separate brains coming up with ideas and making post count absurd, I also don't need to worry about having internal conflicts on what to do. :)

[Calette]

Fancy placing down a vote then, TDL?

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Got lost and ended up reading the whole thing.

Since Empathy is using us replying to him as an excuse to spam, I suggest we stop feeding him, and as surpising to noone as this will be, I'll further add that if we lack a consensus by the end of the day, we lynch EMpathy, if only to have a cleaner chat tomorrow.

That said, I'd prefer if everyone started scumhunting; we have 6 townies, and require 5 for a lynch. This will only be achieved if we have a good deal of good discussion today.

Hell Frog, I've seen you lurking in the shadows. Still waiting for an answer on regards of how you see Empathy after being pointed out that this is their standard behaviour in all games.

I'm leaning on Empathy for Village Edwin, and I'm now wary about Hell Frog's vote there, seeing how Empathy -implying they are Town- would be the easiest mislynch ever.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Tank is posting opinions that I personally believe a scum would have, such as how a Miller wouldn't claim because "A town shouldn't be attracting the attention of the cop", well that's a load of bullshit because it isn't up to them, it's up to the cop. When I'm a Cop I check null reads, not town or scum reads, yet that's me, not anyone else. Some people might have other ways of going about it, and the other said reasons include voting Calette with no explanation, and accusing them of needing hydra support.
My point is that you would claim Miller if you are expected to be checked, and you shouldn't be giving people reasons to check you, because that means you aren't being pro-town, which all townies should be.

The other possible explanation would be wanting to try to stay alive by painting themselves as scum, thus avoiding nightkills due to being an easy mislynch target.

When did I vote Calette? I said they seem rather passive in this game, and that many posts were fluffity fluffs.

He's the one who claimed that he needed his "better half" to do the explaining. I just pointed that out so it didn't get lost among all the "poor me" spam.

[TheDarkestLight]

Fancy placing down a vote then, TDL?

Too early for me to decide, trying to work out the hydra mechanics into my typical reading style, the multiple people are gonna confuse me as sometimes I can't tell who is posting what and if it's normal for someone at the time. Give me a short bit to be a bit better.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Wtf I'm the first post on this account

[Funcall]

Who's for the game, the biggest that's played.
The red crashing game of a fight.
I know the rest but don't want to write anymore.

Who is ready for a no-contribution scrub checking in here.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Some of you are alright. Don't go to my house tonight.

[TheDarkestLight]

My point is that you would claim Miller if you are expected to be checked, and you shouldn't be giving people reasons to check you, because that means you aren't being pro-town, which all townies should be.

The other possible explanation would be wanting to try to stay alive by painting themselves as scum, thus avoiding nightkills due to being an easy mislynch target.

When did I vote Calette? I said they seem rather passive in this game, and that many posts were fluffity fluffs.

He's the one who claimed that he needed his "better half" to do the explaining. I just pointed that out so it didn't get lost among all the "poor me" spam.

I was referencing how you accused Empathy of voting Calette for no reason as one of your excuses for voting them. My read on you is based on your interactions with Empathy so far if you couldn't tell.

[Empathy17]

My point is that you would claim Miller if you are expected to be checked, and you shouldn't be giving people reasons to check you, because that means you aren't being pro-town, which all townies should be.

The other possible explanation would be wanting to try to stay alive by painting themselves as scum, thus avoiding nightkills due to being an easy mislynch target.

When did I vote Calette? I said they seem rather passive in this game, and that many posts were fluffity fluffs.

He's the one who claimed that he needed his "better half" to do the explaining. I just pointed that out so it didn't get lost among all the "poor me" spam.

wow sen doesnt knwo how t play miller.....

silver is home so she will be posting shortly

[OrpZedWorlds]

my emotions are fine right now, how come your sut butthurt about the pettyness

Who is this Rorschach guy and why is there a dildo in the middle of your picture?

[Spearheading Female Tank]

I was referencing how you accused Empathy of voting Calette for no reason as one of your excuses for voting them. My read on you is based on your interactions with Empathy so far if you couldn't tell.
Close, but no cigar. What bothered me was the refusal to give a reason after being asked for one. He literally said "I don't need to explain my vote".

Firthermore, I invited him to try again in #103, and instead he decided to keep with the toxic spam.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Empathy17

Enough memes. Only sheeping.

[Empathy17]

Close, but no cigar. What bothered me was the refusal to give a reason after being asked for one. He literally said "I don't need to explain my vote".

Firthermore, I invited him to try again in #103, and instead he decided to keep with the toxic spam.

it should of been self implied knowing im a gut play as you have already admitted so your reason for voting me right now is not there

[Funcall]

Empathy's posts scream neutral to me.

[Empathy17]

Empathy's posts scream neutral to me.

THEN FUCKING VOTE ME YOU FUCKING CUNT

[Calette]

Empathy's posts scream neutral to me.

How so? Which posts in particular?

[Empathy17]

MY GOD I MADE A BUNCH OF FUCKIGN POST AND I SAY SILVER IS HOME AND WHAT? I GET ANOTHER FUCKING VOTE. ORPZ YOU SAID YOURSELF THAT YOU WANT US TO STAY YOU SHOULD KNWO BY DOING THAT YOUR ONLY MAKING SILVER MORE PISSED

[TheDarkestLight]

MY GOD I MADE A BUNCH OF FUCKIGN POST AND I SAY SILVER IS HOME AND WHAT? I GET ANOTHER FUCKING VOTE. ORPZ YOU SAID YOURSELF THAT YOU WANT US TO STAY YOU SHOULD KNWO BY DOING THAT YOUR ONLY MAKING SILVER MORE PISSED

Take a few breaths and calm down.

[Empathy17]

How so? Which posts in particular?

WHY DOES IT FUCKIGN MATTER, YORU THE ASS WHOS VOTING US IT SHOULDNT MATTER WHAT THE FUCK THEY THINK, ITS ANOTHER SHIT TEIR VOTE FOR US. SO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CAR ENO

[Calette]

THEN FUCKING VOTE ME YOU FUCKING CUNT

LOOOOOOOOL

[Empathy17]

Take a few breaths and calm down.

LEAVE ME ALONE SILVER IS MAKING HER POST NOW

[Nicolas Cage]

WHY DOES IT FUCKIGN MATTER, YORU THE ASS WHOS VOTING US IT SHOULDNT MATTER WHAT THE FUCK THEY THINK, ITS ANOTHER SHIT TEIR VOTE FOR US. SO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CAR ENO

Be thankful Superjack is watching Dexter... Otherwise he'd probably vote you right now... xD

[Calette]

WHY DOES IT FUCKIGN MATTER, YORU THE ASS WHOS VOTING US IT SHOULDNT MATTER WHAT THE FUCK THEY THINK, ITS ANOTHER SHIT TEIR VOTE FOR US. SO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CAR ENO

I think this is going rapidly from "town-neutral-scum" reads to "ika flipping shit because REASONS"

[Calette]

WHY DOES IT FUCKIGN MATTER, YORU THE ASS WHOS VOTING US IT SHOULDNT MATTER WHAT THE FUCK THEY THINK, ITS ANOTHER SHIT TEIR VOTE FOR US. SO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CAR ENO

We're not voting you. Seriously, reading is hard.

[Empathy17]

Be thankful Superjack is watching Dexter... Otherwise he'd probably vote you right now... xD

HOW ABOUT YOU SAVE US SOME FUCKIGN TIME AND VOTE IT NOW YOU ASS

[TheDarkestLight]

LEAVE ME ALONE SILVER IS MAKING HER POST NOW

I've literally argued for why you aren't scum, and I'm trying to be "nice", it's not a good idea to try and alienate the one person who actually gave reasoning as to why you aren't scum.

[Empathy17]

I've literally argued for why you aren't scum, and I'm trying to be "nice", it's not a good idea to try and alienate the one person who actually gave reasoning as to why you aren't scum.

..........................

[Nicolas Cage]

HOW ABOUT YOU SAVE US SOME FUCKIGN TIME AND VOTE IT NOW YOU ASS

Because I personally view you as town. Also I'm not a fan of random-lynching D1.

Then again I'm more accustomed to 15 player games on Arcade.. So I dunno if D1 lynchings are considered Random here. haha...

[Empathy17]

Clearly you people don't know how miller claims work so let me explain it to you. You always claim if you are miller first post D1. This is the most pro-town thing you can do so the cop DOES NOT waste a check on you. It is the stupidest thing in the world for scum to do for the exact reason this game proves. People jump on it and try to lynch you for it. So YES we are town doing what TOWN millers are fucking supposed to do and if you are voting us for this, you are a bunch of VI's who need to learn how to play mafia. After seeing how many votes we have when I haven't even gotten a chance to post, I have very little desire to waste my time posting in this game. Empathy is understanding how another feels. So if you treat us like shit, you'll get anti town play from me and nothing else. You show some respect, I'll work with you.

Also, a little lesson on hydras since some of you VI's think ika waiting for me is scummy. THAT'S HOW HYDRAS WORK IDIOTS. There is no point to having a hydra if each person posts individually. Working together and syncing up on voting and reads and avoiding dissonance is ALWAYS the optimal play for a hydra.

Anyway, I'm done here since it's a waste of my time and this game is going exactly like my last game here. I was town there but ika and I were shit on constantly. You want me to play, be nicer. Otherwise, fuck off.

BTW-We are a town PR so if you lynch us, I expect an apology post game for being fucking idiots and ignoring the scum who are probably loving every minute of this fiasco!!

~SilverWolf

[Funcall]

THEN FUCKING VOTE ME YOU FUCKING CUNT
Inb4 Jester Win

[Calette]

Because I personally view you as town. Also I'm not a fan of random-lynching D1.

Then again I'm more accustomed to 15 player games on Arcade.. So I dunno if D1 lynchings are considered Random here. haha...

Not SuperJack anymore?

In almost all games, we like to lynch every day. No Lynching is like the devil :p

[Spearheading Female Tank]

We got a message some minutes ago, at hh:15. A Justine's Beaver video, to be exact.

Seeing how it was an Upick setup, this could mean anything; from a Jester, to being "marked" for death, to a random townie who gets to send messages during the day.
Just leaving it out there for future analysis.

[OrpZedWorlds]

She has a point fams

[Nicolas Cage]

Clearly you people don't know how miller claims work so let me explain it to you. You always claim if you are miller first post D1. This is the most pro-town thing you can do so the cop DOES NOT waste a check on you. It is the stupidest thing in the world for scum to do for the exact reason this game proves. People jump on it and try to lynch you for it. So YES we are town doing what TOWN millers are fucking supposed to do and if you are voting us for this, you are a bunch of VI's who need to learn how to play mafia. After seeing how many votes we have when I haven't even gotten a chance to post, I have very little desire to waste my time posting in this game. Empathy is understanding how another feels. So if you treat us like shit, you'll get anti town play from me and nothing else. You show some respect, I'll work with you.

Also, a little lesson on hydras since some of you VI's think ika waiting for me is scummy. THAT'S HOW HYDRAS WORK IDIOTS. There is no point to having a hydra if each person posts individually. Working together and syncing up on voting and reads and avoiding dissonance is ALWAYS the optimal play for a hydra.

Anyway, I'm done here since it's a waste of my time and this game is going exactly like my last game here. I was town there but ika and I were shit on constantly. You want me to play, be nicer. Otherwise, fuck off.

BTW-We are a town PR so if you lynch us, I expect an apology post game for being fucking idiots and ignoring the scum who are probably loving every minute of this fiasco!!

~SilverWolf

And that's why I view you as town. Also Superjack said something like that earlier, so I honestly just figured you were claiming Miller anyhow.

[Nicolas Cage]

Not SuperJack anymore?

In almost all games, we like to lynch every day. No Lynching is like the devil :p

I'll keep that noted, thank you. :D

[Calette]

Clearly you people don't know how miller claims work so let me explain it to you. You always claim if you are miller first post D1. This is the most pro-town thing you can do so the cop DOES NOT waste a check on you. It is the stupidest thing in the world for scum to do for the exact reason this game proves. People jump on it and try to lynch you for it. So YES we are town doing what TOWN millers are fucking supposed to do and if you are voting us for this, you are a bunch of VI's who need to learn how to play mafia. After seeing how many votes we have when I haven't even gotten a chance to post, I have very little desire to waste my time posting in this game. Empathy is understanding how another feels. So if you treat us like shit, you'll get anti town play from me and nothing else. You show some respect, I'll work with you.

Also, a little lesson on hydras since some of you VI's think ika waiting for me is scummy. THAT'S HOW HYDRAS WORK IDIOTS. There is no point to having a hydra if each person posts individually. Working together and syncing up on voting and reads and avoiding dissonance is ALWAYS the optimal play for a hydra.

Anyway, I'm done here since it's a waste of my time and this game is going exactly like my last game here. I was town there but ika and I were shit on constantly. You want me to play, be nicer. Otherwise, fuck off.

BTW-We are a town PR so if you lynch us, I expect an apology post game for being fucking idiots and ignoring the scum who are probably loving every minute of this fiasco!!

~SilverWolf

Could you not with the 'I don't want to post if you act like this' attitude? Maybe post some reads on the players accusing you - do you think there's a scum on your train? Or are they all town to you?

No shit you're a TPR. It's a UPick game, it's extremely unlikely that anyone chose Citizen.

[OrpZedWorlds]

We got a message some minutes ago, at hh:15. A Justine's Beaver video, to be exact.

Seeing how it was an Upick setup, this could mean anything; from a Jester, to being "marked" for death, to a random townie who gets to send messages during the day.
Just leaving it out there for future analysis.

Which song?

[TheDarkestLight]

Clearly you people don't know how miller claims work so let me explain it to you. You always claim if you are miller first post D1. This is the most pro-town thing you can do so the cop DOES NOT waste a check on you. It is the stupidest thing in the world for scum to do for the exact reason this game proves. People jump on it and try to lynch you for it. So YES we are town doing what TOWN millers are fucking supposed to do and if you are voting us for this, you are a bunch of VI's who need to learn how to play mafia. After seeing how many votes we have when I haven't even gotten a chance to post, I have very little desire to waste my time posting in this game. Empathy is understanding how another feels. So if you treat us like shit, you'll get anti town play from me and nothing else. You show some respect, I'll work with you.

Also, a little lesson on hydras since some of you VI's think ika waiting for me is scummy. THAT'S HOW HYDRAS WORK IDIOTS. There is no point to having a hydra if each person posts individually. Working together and syncing up on voting and reads and avoiding dissonance is ALWAYS the optimal play for a hydra.

Anyway, I'm done here since it's a waste of my time and this game is going exactly like my last game here. I was town there but ika and I were shit on constantly. You want me to play, be nicer. Otherwise, fuck off.

BTW-We are a town PR so if you lynch us, I expect an apology post game for being fucking idiots and ignoring the scum who are probably loving every minute of this fiasco!!

~SilverWolf

I was hoping for some clear headed individual who was calm and collected, and then... this.

Calling people idiots is not a way to get anything across, no matter how convincing your argument is people won't listen most of the time if you go around calling them "idiots who need to fuck off". Also, don't play Mafia if you can't handle people being "assholes". It's the internet, who gives a fuck what they say or think?

Now then, as to the actual reasoning behind the claim, I actually fully agree. Where I sometimes play the Miller is supposed to claim to avoid said investigation, which isn't exactly something we do here. Sites have differing playstyles, and I have seen the Miller claim style on other sites, which is why I don't particularly find it scummy, especially considering said players on this hydra spend a good deal of time on other sites. As much as I hate meta, it's kinda just simple two plus two logic.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Which song?
Not a song; "Justin Bieber being shot for 10 minutes".

[OrpZedWorlds]

Anyways we need to turn this meme magic around. I believe Empathy's claim. Mostly because before I signed up for a Hydra, I PM'd Firebringer Miller as my UPick.

[TheDarkestLight]

Could you not with the 'I don't want to post if you act like this' attitude? Maybe post some reads on the players accusing you - do you think there's a scum on your train? Or are they all town to you?

No shit you're a TPR. It's a UPick game, it's extremely unlikely that anyone chose Citizen.

You forget that Firebringer could choose to edit peoples roles, he might have completely fucked up someones role and made them basically a citizen, because I am fairly certain that if everyone got to keep the original role they had then pretty much everyone would be a killing role of some sort.

[Nicolas Cage]

I was hoping for some clear headed individual who was calm and collected, and then... this.

Calling people idiots is not a way to get anything across, no matter how convincing your argument is people won't listen most of the time if you go around calling them "idiots who need to fuck off". Also, don't play Mafia if you can't handle people being "assholes". It's the internet, who gives a fuck what they say or think?

Now then, as to the actual reasoning behind the claim, I actually fully agree. Where I sometimes play the Miller is supposed to claim to avoid said investigation, which isn't exactly something we do here. Sites have differing playstyles, and I have seen the Miller claim style on other sites, which is why I don't particularly find it scummy, especially considering said players on this hydra spend a good deal of time on other sites. As much as I hate meta, it's kinda just simple two plus two logic.

I see that almost all the time on Epicmafia, and sort of just Read it like that.

Also Agreeing with the Whole attitude thing... most people usually lynch the assholes in Arcade first thing. Then cry when it's a jester... Lel.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Requesting setup link in the OP

[OrpZedWorlds]

Not a song; "Justin Bieber being shot for 10 minutes".

Our suspect is a white male with Conservative political views.

[Calette]

You forget that Firebringer could choose to edit peoples roles, he might have completely fucked up someones role and made them basically a citizen, because I am fairly certain that if everyone got to keep the original role they had then pretty much everyone would be a killing role of some sort.

You forget that it's Firebringer. I think it would be more plausible that there are negative-utility TPRs over Citizens, but this is going into host speculation.

In regards to Jester, there's a 1/4 chance if I recall correctly of that being a thing. Empathy became aggressive really quickly so they're a good fit for that. On the other hand it could just be their personalities flaring up at the game. Either way, not the best choice for a lynch.

[Empathy17]

Anyways we need to turn this meme magic around. I believe Empathy's claim. Mostly because before I signed up for a Hydra, I PM'd Firebringer Miller as my UPick.

yet you are voting us.....

[OrpZedWorlds]

yet you are voting us.....

Yes, but I wouldn't lynch you.

[Empathy17]

Yes, but I wouldn't lynch you.

yet voting us has full intention of lynchign us....

if your not tryign to lynch us your vote is better serveed elsewhere

contradict much>

[Empathy17]

I see that almost all the time on Epicmafia, and sort of just Read it like that.

Also Agreeing with the Whole attitude thing... most people usually lynch the assholes in Arcade first thing. Then cry when it's a jester... Lel.

WTF does that have to do with this game? My understanding of it is it's a bunch of trolls circle jerking each other. Oh wait, maybe it has a lot to do with this game then.

~SilverWolf

BTW Epic Mafia sucks!!

[TheDarkestLight]

Yes, but I wouldn't lynch you.

That's literally garbage. I bet you'd call it "pressure", but it's not much pressure when you even go out to say "I wouldn't lynch you", it's like you want to lynch just for the purpose of lynching.

Voting someone and then literally saying you will vote someone but not lynch them is scummy as fuck.

OrpZedWorlds

+1 scum point.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Yes, but I wouldn't lynch you.
Lynch me, lynch me, say that you'll lynch me. ♪

[Calette]

yet voting us has full intention of lynchign us....

if your not tryign to lynch us your vote is better serveed elsewhere

contradict much>

Pressure votes are a thing.

Why are you trying to move votes off you now? They'll likely dissipate when something else comes up so why ask people to change them?

[Empathy17]

She has a point fams

Yet you are still voting us so your words don't mean much.

~SilverWolf

[TheDarkestLight]

Pressure votes are a thing.

Why are you trying to move votes off you now? They'll likely dissipate when something else comes up so why ask people to change them?

Pressure is pointless when they literally say they won't lynch them.

[OrpZedWorlds]

yet voting us has full intention of lynchign us....

if your not tryign to lynch us your vote is better serveed elsewhere

contradict much>

Incorrect. Nowhere did I state that my vote was a vote to lynch.

Incorrect, it is in a good spot right now and will be moved when a better spot is found.

No contradiction.

[Empathy17]

Pressure votes are a thing.

Why are you trying to move votes off you now? They'll likely dissipate when something else comes up so why ask people to change them?

cus if people are having no intention of lynching someone pressure votes are meanignless. hes sheeping so he has intention of lynching

tell me how a sheep=pressue

[OrpZedWorlds]

Pressure is pointless when they literally say they won't lynch them.

It was a pressure vote before.

[Empathy17]

Pressure votes are a thing.

Right, So we were voted for having not enough of a reason and this is another thing that's fucking stupid in this game. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A REASON FOR VOTING FOR SOMEONE IN A MAFIA GAME.

~SilverWolf

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Pressure is pointless when they literally say they won't lynch them.
Mhm. The "pressure" comes from the possibility of being lynched. That doesn't exist if you say "I'm not lynching you".

[Empathy17]

Incorrect. Nowhere did I state that my vote was a vote to lynch.

Incorrect, it is in a good spot right now and will be moved when a better spot is found.

No contradiction.

voting someone has one inteiton: to lynch them, you can argue pressure but its sole prupous of a vote is to get a lynch off

[Calette]

Pressure is pointless when they literally say they won't lynch them.

Valid point, but the pressure vote was given beforehand.

The timing is odd after others have town read Empathy

[Empathy17]

Mhm. The "pressure" comes from the possibility of being lynched. That doesn't exist if you say "I'm not lynching you".

so then you are contradicting yourself, your trying to lynch us or your not, theres no middle grounds

[Empathy17]

It was a pressure vote before.

Nope, You said it was sheeping. That's not a pressure vote. That's having no mind of your own. Something I can see scum doing.

~SilverWolf

[Empathy17]

It was a pressure vote before.

are you saying you are tryign to lynch us now

[OrpZedWorlds]

Mhm. The "pressure" comes from the possibility of being lynched. That doesn't exist if you say "I'm not lynching you".

Yeah, but the fault in that is lynching isn't a one man thing. I could put someone at L-2, then """""""""""""""""accidentally"""""""""""""""" be afk when two more people come online

[OrpZedWorlds]

are you saying you are tryign to lynch us now

No, I'm strongly implying that my vote is in a good place.

[Empathy17]

The timing is odd after others have town read Empathy

Right, it's a scummy vote. Therefore, I've seen enough from them.

OrpZedWorlds

[Empathy17]

Yeah, but the fault in that is lynching isn't a one man thing. I could put someone at L-2, then """""""""""""""""accidentally"""""""""""""""" be afk when two more people come online

its very easy for people to be afk

dont even try to make bullshit reasons

[OrpZedWorlds]

voting someone has one inteiton: to lynch them, you can argue pressure but its sole prupous of a vote is to get a lynch off

That's like saying people only have sex to make babies

[Empathy17]

No, I'm strongly implying that my vote is in a good place.

so you are trying to lynch us, again its a yes or no

[Empathy17]

No, I'm strongly implying that my vote is in a good place.

That's because you are scum sheeping a bad wagon and now can't get out of it.

~SilverWolf

[Calette]

Yeah, but the fault in that is lynching isn't a one man thing. I could put someone at L-2, then """""""""""""""""accidentally"""""""""""""""" be afk when two more people come online

I can't be precise, but something rubs me the wrong way about this post. The 'I could do this scummy thing' part, mainly. The assumption that other players would hammer early.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

so then you are contradicting yourself, your trying to lynch us or your not, theres no middle grounds
Already said that I think you are the Village Edwin, and that I'd rather nail someone else, yet I'll be willing to lynch you if no better option presents today, because I consider the whining and insulting combo to be a hindrance for the Town.

I never contradict myself, because I place my actions where my words are.

[Empathy17]

That's like saying people only have sex to make babies

your not refuting the poitn im making, refute it or my reason sis vaild

[Calette]

That's like saying people only have sex to make babies

This is a much better analogy than the Hitler one.

[OrpZedWorlds]

That's because you are scum sheeping a bad wagon and now can't get out of it.

~SilverWolf

Really?

All I need to do is -unvote and I'm out of it.

[Empathy17]

Already said that I think you are the Village Edwin, and that I'd rather nail someone else, yet I'll be willing to lynch you if no better option presents today, because I consider the whining and insulting combo to be a hindrance for the Town.

I never contradict myself, because I place my actions where my words are.

voting someone you call town is antitown in itself, instead of shitting on them why dont you try to ask "well if they are town maybe they could be right"

look i said guts, sivler moved it and i apporved of it and you say nothign about it

[Empathy17]

Really?

All I need to do is -unvote and I'm out of it.

and in that time 2 peopel can come in and you could easily be pedited.

your still not refuting my point

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Yeah, but the fault in that is lynching isn't a one man thing. I could put someone at L-2, then """""""""""""""""accidentally"""""""""""""""" be afk when two more people come online
So you are saying your "I'm not lynching you" is plain WIFOM? With what purpose?

[Nicolas Cage]

BTW Epic Mafia sucks!!

That Made my partner sad. You should apologize.

[OrpZedWorlds]

and in that time 2 peopel can come in and you could easily be pedited.

your still not refuting my point

You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment

[Spearheading Female Tank]

voting someone you call town is antitown in itself, instead of shitting on them why dont you try to ask "well if they are town maybe they could be right"

look i said guts, sivler moved it and i apporved of it and you say nothign about it
When did I call you Town? VIs are often Town, yes. That doesn't mean you always are.
I'm not one to use the "too dumb for scum" excuse for removing a vote.

As for not replying to that, I'm trying not to let this game devolve into a sea of personal insults, so I'm not going to reply to a post filled with them.

[Empathy17]

When did I call you Town? VIs are often Town, yes. That doesn't mean you always are.
I'm not one to use the "too dumb for scum" excuse for removing a vote.

As for not replying to that, I'm trying not to let this game devolve into a sea of personal insults, so I'm not going to reply to a post filled with them.

so you admit to being anti town and not have any dicussion. good to know. glad you like playing in a shit teir format

[Empathy17]

When did I call you Town? VIs are often Town, yes. That doesn't mean you always are.
I'm not one to use the "too dumb for scum" excuse for removing a vote.

As for not replying to that, I'm trying not to let this game devolve into a sea of personal insults, so I'm not going to reply to a post filled with them.

Re-explain your reason for voting us then. I wasn't here when we got 4 votes so I have no clue why we are being run up except the miller claim and no reason for a vote-both of which are shit reasons.

So explain yourself and your vote.

~SilverWolf

[Spearheading Female Tank]

so you admit to being anti town and not have any dicussion. good to know. glad you like playing in a shit teir format
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/489/nick-young-confused-face-300x256_nqlyaa.png
lol, ok.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

Re-explain your reason for voting us then. I wasn't here when we got 4 votes so I have no clue why we are being run up except the miller claim and no reason for a vote-both of which are shit reasons.

So explain yourself and your vote.

~SilverWolf

Already did; your other head claimed Miller, then refused to continue discussing the subject. After that, he voted Calette, and refused to give a reason when being asked for one. Furthermore, he proceeded to say that you will come and explain it.

It's mostly a lack of consistency; claiming and then trying to shut the discussion down, as well as refusing to give reasons for a vote when asked for them are actions that prevent discussion and analysis, which are the best scumhunting tools we have.

Stating that you will explain his actions simply makes no sense at all; why on earth would you have to explain what somebody else does? No matter how much you know each other or how many times you've played together; you aren't psychics, and you can't vote someone and pretend that your other hydra head will explain your reasons. That's just stalling, and Town shouldn't have a reason to either stall, nor to kill discussion.

[Empathy17]

When did I call you Town? VIs are often Town, yes. That doesn't mean you always are.
I'm not one to use the "too dumb for scum" excuse for removing a vote.

As for not replying to that, I'm trying not to let this game devolve into a sea of personal insults, so I'm not going to reply to a post filled with them.

This is my second scumread of the game. Has a shit reason for voting us, decries personal insults as an excuse not to respond to posts while personally insulting people, and also posting troll memes to avoid giving actual content.

Thanks guys, you are making this game too easy!!

~SilverWolf

[Calette]

This is my second scumread of the game. Has a shit reason for voting us, decries personal insults as an excuse not to respond to posts while personally insulting people, and also posting troll memes to avoid giving actual content.

Thanks guys, you are making this game too easy!!

~SilverWolf

Do you have any town-reads?

[Empathy17]

ika-I'd recommend not responding to scum trying to antagonize us any further.

~SilverWolf

[Calette]

Re-explain your reason for voting us then. I wasn't here when we got 4 votes so I have no clue why we are being run up except the miller claim and no reason for a vote-both of which are shit reasons.

So explain yourself and your vote.

~SilverWolf

3 votes. Seriously. Counting is not that hard.

[Empathy17]

Already did; your other head claimed Miller, then refused to continue discussing the subject. After that, he voted Calette, and refused to give a reason when being asked for one. Furthermore, he proceeded to say that you will come and explain it.

It's mostly a lack of consistency; claiming and then trying to shut the discussion down, as well as refusing to give reasons for a vote when asked for them are actions that prevent discussion and analysis, which are the best scumhunting tools we have.

Stating that you will explain his actions simply makes no sense at all; why on earth would you have to explain what somebody else does? No matter how much you know each other or how many times you've played together; you aren't psychics, and you can't vote someone and pretend that your other hydra head will explain your reasons. That's just stalling, and Town shouldn't have a reason to either stall, nor to kill discussion.

did you even look up what empathy means? we understand eahc other better then anyone so yes she can answer for me if she wants to i can ansswer for her as well, you clearly dont know anyhting and you of all people should knwo consitency means jack shit

[Empathy17]

Do you have any town-reads?

I have two scumreads. If I'm not scumreading someone, I'm either town or null reading them. I can go through and sort that out later. Right now, I'm scumhunting.

~SilverWolf

[Calette]

ika-I'd recommend not responding to scum trying to antagonize us any further.

~SilverWolf

Can you provide something other than 'anyone who presses us is scum' please? >_>

[Spearheading Female Tank]

This is my second scumread of the game. Has a shit reason for voting us, decries personal insults as an excuse not to respond to posts while personally insulting people, and also posting troll memes to avoid giving actual content.

Thanks guys, you are making this game too easy!!

~SilverWolf

Village Idiot (VI for short) is slang for a player who seems to habitually say or do the wrong things, then not understand the consequences of saying them. Most of the time, this tendency is due to inexperience with the game. Other times, it is due to poor intelligence or social skills on the part of the player. Still other times, the person saying these wrong things really is scum.
Townie VIs are sometimes used as convenient scapegoats by Mafia, who will build a case around the stupid things the VI says as a case for lynching him or her. The other Townies are sometimes easily duped into such a lynch, or agree to lynch them on policy.
I'm using a context-related "insult". Not calling you a "fucking cunt", like you (or your other head) have done.

Also gotta love that you point out the single meme I've posted as an argument for me being scum. Oh, boy.

[Empathy17]

ika-I'd recommend not responding to scum trying to antagonize us any further.

~SilverWolf

i can do that. i love you!

[Calette]

ika-I'd recommend not responding to scum trying to antagonize us any further.

~SilverWolf

Since you can communicate out of game with your hydra head, what is the point of posting this publicly?

[Empathy17]

Can you provide something other than 'anyone who presses us is scum' please? >_>

why should we, you saw how she caught nealry all of you guys based on the litaral thing that is being said here so.... ya no

[Calette]

I have two scumreads. If I'm not scumreading someone, I'm either town or null reading them. I can go through and sort that out later. Right now, I'm scumhunting.

~SilverWolf

Isn't that to be expected? Highlighted part is fluff.

A simple list of names would do at this stage.

[Empathy17]

Since you can communicate out of game with your hydra head, what is the point of posting this publicly?

jsut cuse we can OGC doesnt mean we cant

[TheDarkestLight]

Since you can communicate out of game with your hydra head, what is the point of posting this publicly?

To show off their eternal affections.

:sick:

[Empathy17]

Can you provide something other than 'anyone who presses us is scum' please? >_>

I gave you two scumreads and reasons for them plus explained miller claims and working as a hydra. If that's not enough for you, too bad.

~SilverWolf

[Empathy17]

Isn't that to be expected? Highlighted part is fluff.

A simple list of names would do at this stage.

No, it isn't fluff. It's where I'm at now. I don't have a shit ton of reads this early in any game I play. So deal with it. If you don't like it, feel frfree to vote us. It would be nice if someone besides us would be pressured and then I'd have more reads.

~SilverWolf

[Empathy17]

Isn't that to be expected? Highlighted part is fluff.

A simple list of names would do at this stage.

how about you jsut vote us instead, you should knwo that silver is much slower to get reads. however she is much more accurate

[Empathy17]

i really wish self voting was a thing

[Calette]

No, it isn't fluff. It's where I'm at now. I don't have a shit ton of reads this early in any game I play. So deal with it. If you don't like it, feel frfree to vote us. It would be nice if someone besides us would be pressured and then I'd have more reads.

~SilverWolf

No, but offering some reasons for town-reads (no matter how weak) can, you know, steer the discussion AWAY from you. Your scum-reads consist of people who have voted for you. Not what I'd call impressive by any stretch.


how about you jsut vote us instead, you should knwo that silver is much slower to get reads. however she is much more accurate

This is where the hydras become interesting. Not long ago you were trying to get votes off you, now you're baiting me to vote. Curious.

And no, I've played one game with Silver. Not enough to make strong meta reads from.

[Empathy17]

Oh BTW, whoever is complaining about us answering for each other. We are a fucking hydra. So we are one account. ONE PLAYER.

Try to understand this. That's how hydras work.

~SilverWolf

[Spearheading Female Tank]

My current vote won't achieve anything of use right now. Might place it back at the end of the day.

But for now...
Hell Frog
Pikeity pokeity poke.

[Nicolas Cage]

It's quite clear Empathy is town. I've looked in to their soul and they are innocent.

Emotional tells are easier to read than other ones.
It's why I highlighted empathy originally yet never voted, I know you could not resist picking on Empathy. And empathy easily shows their alignment when emotional.

Now we have information and posts To go from.

[Calette]

It's quite clear Empathy is town. I've looked in to their soul and they are innocent.

Emotional tells are easier to read than other ones.
It's why I highlighted empathy originally yet never voted, I know you could not resist picking on Empathy. And empathy easily shows their alignment when emotional.

Now we have information and posts To go from.

And is there anything that you, personally, think needs to be discussed? Or anything that might have been missed in the flurry of posts?

[Nicolas Cage]

Hmm. Not to sure. I skimmed most of it, I think I'm well enough to sleep.

[Spearheading Female Tank]

@Hell Frog: I see you around again.I left you a question somewhere. It was something about your opinion on Empathy after the new evidence.

You've been around before, and silent. Of course, people leave their computers on and AFK, I do that all the time, so I won't read too much into that.
That said, both of you tend to have a very strong chat presence, and often push (if not lead) the discussion until there's enough to get lots of reads. All you've done so far is to try to start a train on someone who if Town, would be the easiest mislynch ever, and then faded into the background.

Anyway, gonna AKF for a while. Some other head will hopefully grab the torch soon.

[Calette]

I am going to bed now, but before I do that.

Hell Frog

Thoughts on the actual slot aside, I'm keeping the wagons even to see how they develop.

Vote Count Update

Hell Frog (2 [L-3]):
Spearheading Female Tank, Calette
OrpZedWorlds (2 [L-3]):
Empathy17, TheDarkestLight
Empathy17 (2 [L-3]):
Hell Frog, OrpZedWorlds

[Empathy17]

OK, I read the thread from the beginning word for word and got a townread on Nicolas Cage and DarkestLight. There response to our miller claim looked like town trying to figure out the game and the reasoning behind it more than just trying to vote us and get an easy mislynch. Also, DarkestLight came out with some reads off the bat that made sense. Orp hydra is actually completely null on reread. Same with Calette hydra and Hell Frog.

Spearheading Female Tank is scum for post #114 and other posts suggesting PLing us for spam when that hydra has shit up the game with memes and responses to said spam. This looks like scum avoiding scumhunting by trying to look busy. There is no reason to PL us and that's a load of crap because that prevents a possible scum lynch. Their original reason for voting us and response to my reasons asking for a reasons were extremely weak and boiled down to they didn't like the miller claim and we didn't give a reason for a vote. These are all terrible reasons to lay down a vote.

Spearheading Female Tank

[Calette]

Wtf is that new avatar supposed to be?

[Funcall]

OK, I read the thread from the beginning word for word and got a townread on Nicolas Cage and DarkestLight. There response to our miller claim looked like town trying to figure out the game and the reasoning behind it more than just trying to vote us and get an easy mislynch. Also, DarkestLight came out with some reads off the bat that made sense. Orp hydra is actually completely null on reread. Same with Calette hydra and Hell Frog.

Spearheading Female Tank is scum for post #114 and other posts suggesting PLing us for spam when that hydra has shit up the game with memes and responses to said spam. This looks like scum avoiding scumhunting by trying to look busy. There is no reason to PL us and that's a load of crap because that prevents a possible scum lynch. Their original reason for voting us and response to my reasons asking for a reasons were extremely weak and boiled down to they didn't like the miller claim and we didn't give a reason for a vote. These are all terrible reasons to lay down a vote.

Spearheading Female Tank

I'm suffering from the tunnel.
May I assume you scumread me?
Remind me what PL is.
So you've townread everyone that has defended you. Okay.



Wtf is that new avatar supposed to be?

That's what I want to know.

The hell is Mikecall is what I want to know.
Brb while I spam his inbox with rage over our suggested role.

[Empathy17]

i think fire fucked up the settings again its size limit is 50x50 now....

[Empathy17]

its suppose ot be wolfs iirc

[Empathy17]

No it's a puppy petting a baby reindeer. Sigh, can't make it bigger until the mod fixes the settings.

[Empathy17]

No it's a puppy petting a baby reindeer. Sigh, can't make it bigger until the mod fixes the settings.

AWWWWWWWW........

[Calette]

It looks like two blurs doing something that probably shouldn't be allowed in an avatar. Sickos.

[Empathy17]

I'm suffering from the tunnel.
May I assume you scumread me?
Remind me what PL is.
So you've townread everyone that has defended you. Okay.

PL-policy lynch

I forgot about you. If you made no impression on me on read through, you are null.

~SilverWolf

[Empathy17]

Also, not that it matters, but looks like everyone's posts numbers are stuck at 50. Oh well, that's minor.

[Calette]

PL-policy lynch

I forgot about you. If you made no impression on me on read through, you are null.

~SilverWolf

The "fucking cunt" (quoting your sweetheart) made an impression on your other half though.

[Empathy17]

The "fucking cunt" (quoting your sweetheart) made an impression on your other half though.

And that has a point because.....?

she read the thread you know

[Calette]

And that has a point because.....?

she read the thread you know

Because you are working together are you not?

[RLVG]

OMG we are a fucking miller......

Its a negative utility of our role

Role that someone is seen as a scum. WIFOM as scum?


It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well.

Discount "You're going to get vigi'd".


Last time I checked, this is a HYDRA game.

Discount RLVG, unless he / she / it / whatever has multiple personalities disorder of 100 personalities. /s


All you guys can fuck off!!!! I haven't had a chance to post and won't until 4:30 or so Central so bite me if you lynch a town hydra before both heads can speak you are fucking stupid!!!!

~SilverWolf

Lol, welcome to European Lives Matter.


congradulations on adding nothign new and being an anti town entitie,

Passive-aggressive fluffception!


No one loves me, that's why I'm alone.

Let's cuddle together to keep ourselves warm from this cruel unloving world.


Empathy is town, the first post was simply too out there and I doubt a scum would ever post "I'm Miller" on the very first post of the game, that's just stupid.

Unless it's an Improvised Game setup.


Calette is a null read. I don't care how much they contribute and scumhunt, scumhunting alone does not make a town. Scum can scumhunt and then everyone instantly reads them as town for this, which is pathetic. Now, it's early in the game and I haven't noticed anything inherently scummy from this individual either, so null for now.

Calette is passive and not super actively scumhunting, should add that on.


Tank is posting opinions that I personally believe a scum would have, such as how a Miller wouldn't claim because "A town shouldn't be attracting the attention of the cop", well that's a load of bullshit because it isn't up to them, it's up to the cop.

You'd be surprised how many would be scummy from this argument then, like Nico Cago.


Enough memes. Only sheeping.

Stop the fluff, but continue being a fluffy creature called "sheep". Oh my.


In almost all games, we like to lynch every day. No Lynching is like the devil :p

The irony from this hydra.


Where I sometimes play the Miller is supposed to claim to avoid said investigation, which isn't exactly something we do here. Sites have differing playstyles, and I have seen the Miller claim style on other sites, which is why I don't particularly find it scummy, especially considering said players on this hydra spend a good deal of time on other sites. As much as I hate meta, it's kinda just simple two plus two logic.

I like TDL for using off-site playstyles and logic.


Voting someone and then literally saying you will vote someone but not lynch them is scummy as fuck.

OrpZedWorlds

First legit vote that I agree with.


That's just stalling, and Town shouldn't have a reason to either stall, nor to kill discussion.

It's actually more common for town here to stall for some stupid reason.


i really wish self voting was a thing

What the fuck is this.


It's quite clear Empathy is town. I've looked in to their soul and they are innocent.

Emotional tells are easier to read than other ones.
It's why I highlighted empathy originally yet never voted, I know you could not resist picking on Empathy. And empathy easily shows their alignment when emotional.

Now we have information and posts To go from.

Fuck off with your nonsense.


OK, I read the thread from the beginning word for word and got a townread on Nicolas Cage and DarkestLight. There response to our miller claim looked like town trying to figure out the game and the reasoning behind it more than just trying to vote us and get an easy mislynch.

Easy mislynches are easily looked upon and is an amateur move for Day 1. I don't agree with this.

[RLVG]

Also 'sup fucks.

[Firebringer]

Requesting setup link in the OP

Done

[Firebringer]

i think fire fucked up the settings again its size limit is 50x50 now....

I was told by admins that this is now fixed, you will have to re-upload the avatar.
I apologize for the problems with that, we literally just made the Hydra user group yesterday.

[Empathy17]

The "fucking cunt" (quoting your sweetheart) made an impression on your other half though.

Yeah, I can read. If he wants to give a read on that person he can. I read the thread all the way through and gave my thoughts up to that point. I'd like to hear more from RVLG since his first post is saying a lot without saying much and unless he always plays this way, pings as scum so far.

~SilverWolf

[RLVG]

I'd like to hear more from RVLG since his first post is saying a lot without saying much and unless he always plays this way, pings as scum so far.

~SilverWolf

I'm the scummiest by default here and you're not reading a few things I've pointed out.

What I have picked on is the psuedo vigi shot from Nic Cage, Empathy's "want to self vote", Calette's playstyle and some minor counters of points.

[Empathy17]

I was told by admins that this is now fixed, you will have to re-upload the avatar.
I apologize for the problems with that, we literally just made the Hydra user group yesterday.

No problem, but the avatar is still too small after reload, thanks.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Hey guys! Best part of the head is here! Reading over and highlighting my thoughts.

Also if you need a little bit of skullfucking, I'm your man.

[OrpZedWorlds]

I read the first fucking post of the game and I immediately think that our hydra is working with the right lynch.

gg no re

[OrpZedWorlds]

I read the first fucking post of the game and I immediately think that our hydra is working with the right lynch.

gg no re

This post is dead serious btw.

[Empathy17]

I'm the scummiest by default here and you're not reading a few things I've pointed out.

What I have picked on is the psuedo vigi shot from Nic Cage, Empathy's "want to self vote", Calette's playstyle and some minor counters of points.

ika has confirmed to me the first part is true.

[Hell Frog]

Toast

[Hell Frog]

Alright. This is working now. My still have not seen my first few posts yet. Playing catch up now