S-FM 183: Guns & Hooker

[powerofdeath]

S-FM Guns & Hooker

Players List:
1. RLVG
2. Calix
3. Brendan
4. Ash
5. Toadette
6. MintBerry Crunch
7. SuperJack

Hooker
Mafioso
Cop
Gunsmith
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen


Role cards:


Hooker - Roleblock a player at night preventing them from taking any action. Target is not informed of being roleblocked. Share a night chat with Mafioso. Can also be sent to kill while role blocking someone.


Mafioso - Share a night chat with Hooker. Can be sent to kill.


Cop - Visit a player at night checking them of their alignment. Receive feedback if they are either Town aligned or Mafia aligned.


Gunsmith - Visit a player at night giving them one shot gun that can be only shot during the day. Target will receive a feedback of being gunned. Gunning someone who already have a gun does not give them a second bullet, but will replace the gun they already owns. The shooter have 50% chance to be revealed as the shooter if the shooter decides to fire the gun.


Citizen - Power in vote.

Win Condition:
Town: Gain 100% Majority
Mafia: Gain 50% Majority.

OoO:

1. Roleblock
2. Handing out guns
3. Cop Investigate
4. Factional Kill

Possible Feedbacks:

You have received a gun!
Your target is a member of the Town.
Your target is a member of the Mafia.

Game start with Night 1 kill and actions.
No Last wills or Death Notes
51% majority is required to lynch.
Day and night are 24 hours long with an exception of Day 1 which is 72 hours long.

No editing, no deleting posts
No cheating, skyping or gamethrowing
You must post at least 5 times during the 24 hours day.
Follow standard rules of most S-FMs
No suicides

[Ash]

hello, cop here

[Brendan]

hey ash im also a cop

[powerofdeath]

Do you guys realize its night 1...

I am just gonna reroll the players list.

[powerofdeath]

Sending out new role cards, please do not post because its Night 1.

[powerofdeath]

Night 1 has begun, Mafia is in night chat planning to kill someone while cop is investigating and gunsmith is making a gun for someone.

^Super Interesting RP!

Old Roles List:
Ash - Hooker
RLVG - Mafioso
Toadette - Cop
MintBerry Crunch - Gunsmith
Calix - Citizen
Brendan - Citizen
SuperJack - Citizen

The new and old role list was and will be random.org'd.

Good luck

Night 1 ends in 24 hours.

[powerofdeath]

Night is postponed until further notice. Most likely few hours, but up to another 24 hours.

[powerofdeath]

Day 1 has begun!

SuperJack was killed last night, his role was Gunsmith!

4

[Toadette]

Wtf? One minute I have one rolecard, the next I have a different one. Thanks Obama.

[RLVG]

I'm scum!

Aaaaaaaand I'm not.

Thanks Trump.

[RLVG]

I want SuperJack to live so he can share his guns, making this game ultimately more entertaining.

[RLVG]

If game starts at Night 1 and we have Day 1, what's Night 1 after Day 1?

Fucking time travel.



Dayshoot N1 is kinda bullshit lol.

[Toadette]

1. RLVG
2. Calix
3. Brendan
4. Ash
5. Toadette
6. MintBerry Crunch

Which one of these players is likely to kill SJ night 1 after 0 crumbs, given his recent terrible lurker and shitpost play? Probably someone who hasn't played with him in a while.

Let's park a vote here for a minute.

Brendan

[RLVG]

I would kill Brendan because :slowpoke:.

[RLVG]

In fact, who the fuck WOULDN'T shoot Brendan?

[Toadette]

In fact, who the fuck WOULDN'T shoot Brendan?

Brendan scum

[Calix]

1. RLVG
2. Calix
3. Brendan
4. Ash
5. Toadette
6. MintBerry Crunch

Which one of these players is likely to kill SJ night 1 after 0 crumbs, given his recent terrible lurker and shitpost play? Probably someone who hasn't played with him in a while.

Let's park a vote here for a minute.

Brendan

How are we meant to build enough pressure without placing more than one vote on a train? Scum only need two town votes on a train to quick-hammer and fuck us over, so that means we're forced to be careful before carelessly voting.

(I'm not saying that you should unvote or that you're being careless, by the way. I'm just warning players before anyone bandwagons)

I'm going to be using -FOS [player] for now to avoid that happening.

I'm going to withhold on commenting on SuperJack's death, but I agree with the idea that pressuring the players who haven't played in a while is a good starting point. We don't have as much recent material on their meta, after all.

[RLVG]

Brendan scum

I'd vote him, but I rather have a discussion around first.


I'm going to be using -FOS [player] for now to avoid that happening.

I'll be stealing this.

-FOS Brendan

[Toadette]

You make a good point Calix

-placeholder vote Brendan

[Toadette]

..

[RLVG]

You make a good point Calix

-placeholder vote Brendan

It's counterproductive to have this psuedo vote but voting anyway lol.

[RLVG]

Good opening post by Calix, however subtly suggesting Mintberry or Ash as a best candidate because they haven't been around since literally forever.
Hopefully Ash has grown up some. /S

[Calix]

If anyone has played in a setup like this before, do let us know.

I'm not sure about the details of what the optimal strategy would be, aside from "don't end the day early" and "no mass-claims"

I have another question. Should the person with the gun reveal?

This is not necessarily a claim that I have a gun, I'm just wondering about the pros and cons of revealing. I'm not advocating for the person to reveal first thing either since it depends on how today goes.

[Calix]

Good opening post by Calix, however subtly suggesting Mintberry or Ash as a best candidate because they haven't been around since literally forever.
Hopefully Ash has grown up some. /S

Well yes, I do think that questioning the players whose meta/ playstyle we are not as familiar with is something that should be done. None of the mentioned players are here, so no point in focusing on them as of yet.

[RLVG]

Well yes, I do think that questioning the players whose meta/ playstyle we are not as familiar with is something that should be done. None of the mentioned players are here, so no point in focusing on them as of yet.

Ash is the forum's psuedo mascot for trolling, keep that in mind.

[Toadette]

It's counterproductive to have this psuedo vote but voting anyway lol.

I forgot to unvote lol. Fixed already


If anyone has played in a setup like this before, do let us know.

I'm not sure about the details of what the optimal strategy would be, aside from "don't end the day early" and "no mass-claims"

I have another question. Should the person with the gun reveal?

This is not necessarily a claim that I have a gun, I'm just wondering about the pros and cons of revealing. I'm not advocating for the person to reveal first thing either since it depends on how today goes.

Considers... If Mafia got the gun the game could end day 1

Considering that its kinda MLYLO, I do think shooting the gun today is the best move because 3v2 LYLO is better odds of lynching a scum than 4v2 MLYLO, and if a scum is hit that quickly flips things in our favor.

[Calix]

Ash is the forum's psuedo mascot for trolling, keep that in mind.

You have anything on Mintberry? I think I've seen them in a few games back in the dinosaur age...that's about it.

[Toadette]

RLVG has to be on board with lynching day 1 though for it to happen

[RLVG]

I think no one should claim having the gun for the sake of having an ace up our sleeve.


You have anything on Mintberry? I think I've seen them in a few games back in the dinosaur age...that's about it.

I've forgotten how he played, but we did play a few games together if you feel like going all stalkerino.

[Calix]

RLVG has to be on board with lynching day 1 though for it to happen

A) You assume he's town.

B) No-Lynching isn't necessarily a bad strategy either, but that's mainly for the reasons of "3v2 is easier to manage than 4v2" - with the benefit of having more time to discuss things and you also have information on who the mafia thought was a threat/ Cop.

The obvious problem with that is that it reduces the chance of the dead person being mafia to 0%, which is why I am leaning towards having a gunman shoot.

Regardless of wherever they reveal, the gunman should NOT shoot for at least 24 hours (if not 48)

[RLVG]

No lynch can still lead to a loss if the guy shoots a town and isn't roleblocked, so I dunno about no lynch because we all know this : Are you a fucking vigilante in any shape or form, you fucking shoot.

[Toadette]

A) You assume he's town.

B) No-Lynching isn't necessarily a bad strategy either, but that's mainly for the reasons of "3v2 is easier to manage than 4v2" - with the benefit of having more time to discuss things and you also have information on who the mafia thought was a threat/ Cop.

The obvious problem with that is that it reduces the chance of the dead person being mafia to 0%, which is why I am leaning towards having a gunman shoot.

Regardless of wherever they reveal, the gunman should NOT shoot for at least 24 hours (if not 48)

If we no lynch and mafia has the gun, its GG because they kill at night, and shoot first thing day 2. We can't no lynch for that reason.

[Toadette]

No lynch can still lead to a loss if the guy shoots a town and isn't roleblocked, so I dunno about no lynch because we all know this : Are you a fucking vigilante in any shape or form, you fucking shoot.

^^

[Calix]

No lynch can still lead to a loss if the guy shoots a town and isn't roleblocked, so I dunno about no lynch because we all know this : Are you a fucking vigilante in any shape or form, you fucking shoot.

This seems sensible. However I don't understand what the Consort has to do with anything. Do they not act during the night?

[Toadette]

This seems sensible. However I don't understand what the Consort has to do with anything. Do they not act during the night?

Consort exists to block cop, that's it

[RLVG]

If we no lynch and mafia has the gun, its GG because they kill at night, and shoot first thing day 2. We can't no lynch for that reason.

Hmm.


Gunsmith - Visit a player at night giving them one shot gun that can be only shot during the day. Target will receive a feedback of being gunned. Gunning someone who already have a gun does not give them a second bullet, but will replace the gun they already owns. The shooter have 50% chance to be revealed as the shooter if the shooter decides to fire the gun.


gun that can be only shot during the day.


The shooter have 50% chance to be revealed as the shooter if the shooter decides to fire the gun.

I see the sub-optimal strategy for Mafia.
I announce we avoid it by having no intend of voting until we have the intend to lynch quick enough to not let a gun happen.

This is the reason.

6 players = 4 votes to lynch.
Shoot player, someone dies.
5 players = 3 votes to lynch.

Is it possible to shoot someone while someone have three votes, resulting in an immediate hammer?

[Calix]

Consort exists to block cop, that's it

If we play well enough, that won't be a problem :)

[Toadette]

Would lol if SJ forgot to give a gun out

[Toadette]

We have 72 hours

I don't think we'll need that long but assuming RLVGs plan works and dayflip from gunshot happens after the shot instead of at day end, gun should be shot by hour 48 at the latest I think, earlier if possible

Also yeah, pseudo votes only until then

[RLVG]

Would lol if SJ forgot to give a gun out

Game was delayed probably to prod him if it was the case.

[Calix]

Game was delayed probably to prod him if it was the case.

Likely. I doubt POD would just let one of the main mechanics of this game slip by.

[Toadette]

I have an idea:

After the first 24 hours, whoever has the gun should anoumce they have it. Since they should be shooting it day 1 I see mo problem / downside to this.

They also need to announce who they are shooting for the sake of transparency. That way if they aren't revealed, they can't deny using the gun (if they are Mafia)

Then by hour 48 shoot, we use 3 votes to lynch instead of 4

[RLVG]

And if the Mafia has the gun and isn't claiming to have a gun?

[Calix]

I have an idea:

After the first 24 hours, whoever has the gun should anoumce they have it. Since they should be shooting it day 1 I see mo problem / downside to this.

They also need to announce who they are shooting for the sake of transparency. That way if they aren't revealed, they can't deny using the gun (if they are Mafia)

Then by hour 48 shoot, we use 3 votes to lynch instead of 4

I think we should give the shooter two targets to shoot. That way we get information about the gunman's motivations from the choice that they make.


And if the Mafia has the gun and isn't claiming to have a gun?

That's still information about the strategy that Mafia is using, no?

[RLVG]

The smartest thing the Mafia can really do is to keep quiet about the gun since I don't really see the reason to make a gambit claiming it.
You don't know that all of us else has a gun, I don't know that you all have a gun, et cetera, a starvation of information.

[RLVG]

... I just made a reason for the gun holder to claim if he's town lol.

[Toadette]

The smartest thing the Mafia can really do is to keep quiet about the gun since I don't really see the reason to make a gambit claiming it.
You don't know that all of us else has a gun, I don't know that you all have a gun, et cetera, a starvation of information.

Which is why the gun should be claimed.

[Toadette]

... I just made a reason for the gun holder to claim if he's town lol.

Yes lol

[Toadette]

Claiming gun does not mean claiming role, so claiming gun is the very pro town move to do. No downside to it.

[RLVG]

Well, I'll do something different.

I do not have a gun.

[Calix]

Claiming gun does not mean claiming role, so claiming gun is the very pro town move to do. No downside to it.

All it reveals is who SuperJack chose. Since he's dead, no information about the TPRs is given to the Mafia.

If we are going with the idea of the gunowner revealing by 24 hours, I think we should all claim who we would vote by that threshold.

[Toadette]

All it reveals is who SuperJack chose. Since he's dead, no information about the TPRs is given to the Mafia.

If we are going with the idea of the gunowner revealing by 24 hours, I think we should all claim who we would vote by that threshold.

We should narrow it down to two people really, have the gun owner shoot one, and then lynch the other.

[RLVG]

Toad and Ash seems like good targets.

[Toadette]

Rude.

[Toadette]

So what happened to Brendan? Your FOS went away that quickly?

[RLVG]

So what happened to Brendan? Your FOS went away that quickly?

He still haven't said anything and considering that he's a slow responder, I'd like to FoS him based on that the host was unhappy he didn't do an action, and that he's still alive lol.

FoS wasn't dropped.

[RLVG]

Shitty FoS reason is shitty.

[RLVG]

Meow meow, activity activity.

[Brendan]

Hey guys what's going on?

[Toadette]

Hey guys what's going on?

Hello. Thoughts on the game so far?

[Brendan]

Hello. Thoughts on the game so far?

I'm thinkin if we've got a gun let's know who has it eh?

[Toadette]

I'm thinkin if we've got a gun let's know who has it eh?

Have you read through the short entirety of the game yet? Ehst do you think about SJ's death and the early FOS on you?

[powerofdeath]

Hmm.







I see the sub-optimal strategy for Mafia.
I announce we avoid it by having no intend of voting until we have the intend to lynch quick enough to not let a gun happen.

This is the reason.

6 players = 4 votes to lynch.
Shoot player, someone dies.
5 players = 3 votes to lynch.

Is it possible to shoot someone while someone have three votes, resulting in an immediate hammer?

Vote resets after a gunshot.

[Brendan]

Have you read through the short entirety of the game yet? Ehst do you think about SJ's death and the early FOS on you?

I have. I've gotta say I probably wouldn't kill a SuperJack. I can understand the FOS though, it may be a little unnerving to be playing with a veteran you've never played with before.

[Jim]

Bonsoir

[Toadette]

I have. I've gotta say I probably wouldn't kill a SuperJack. I can understand the FOS though, it may be a little unnerving to be playing with a veteran you've never played with before.

RLVG put the FOS on you as well.

Who do you think would have killed SJ? I find it highly unlikely that Calix would sign off on that night 1.

[Toadette]

Vote resets after a gunshot.

So yeah gun should be shot at hour 48 at the latest to give us 24 hours at least to pile up votes

[Toadette]

Bonsoir

Hello, thoughts so far?

[Brendan]

RLVG put the FOS on you as well.

Who do you think would have killed SJ? I find it highly unlikely that Calix would sign off on that night 1.

I'm thinking RLVG would pull the trigger on an Englishman given the opportunity.

[Toadette]

I'm thinking RLVG would pull the trigger on an Englishman given the opportunity.

Thoughts on using the gun today?

[Brendan]

Thoughts on using the gun today?

Definitely.

[Toadette]

Anything else you want to add? Who should the two people to lynch and shoot be at the moment for you?

[Jim]

Anything else you want to add? Who should the two people to lynch and shoot be at the moment for you?

Personally I would lynch Superjack and shoot Brendan but that's just me.

[Brendan]

Anything else you want to add? Who should the two people to lynch and shoot be at the moment for you?

Shoot Mintberry Crunch lynch RLVG imo

[Toadette]

Personally I would lynch Superjack and shoot Brendan but that's just me.

SJ is dead lol

[Toadette]

Shoot Mintberry Crunch lynch RLVG imo

Reasons?

[Ash]

yo zack

[Toadette]

Brendan and Cap'n Crunch want to shoot each other. Interesting.

[Toadette]

yo zack

Same questions as directed at the others: who should be shot and who should be lynched?

[Ash]

Same questions as directed at the others: who should be shot and who should be lynched?

yo zack

[Toadette]

Alright when you're ready to play we'll play

[Jim]

Toadette can you give me a rundown of the events so far, i have glaucoma and shouldn't read pages on pages of text

[Toadette]

Toadette can you give me a rundown of the events so far, i have glaucoma and shouldn't read pages on pages of text

Not much. Me, Calix, and RLVG have discussed the person who got the gun claiming they got it, and using it today, since its a 4v2 day and if mafia got the gun they can and the game day 2 whether we lynch today or not as long as they aren't lynched. If a town is shot it'll be 3v2, which LYLO is better than MLYLO.

General consensus is to shoot today by hour 48 at the latest, and lynch in the last 24 hours. We can shoot earlier obviously. RLVG cast an early FOS on Brendan, as did I, for potentially shooting SJ, (I voted and unvoted to avoid a 2 scum quickhammer situation) Brendan brushed my FOS off as being intimidated by a veteran player and addressed RLVGs by saying he should be lynched.

I don't remember Calix stating she's susp of anyone left. RLVG said me and you should die today

[Toadette]

That was just off the top of my head. If I missed any facts feel free to correct me anyone

At the moment I'm still leaning shoot Brendan. Dunno about number 2 yet

[Ash]

toadette and RLVG are mafia

[Jim]

RLVG jumping with Toadette for what seems to be a joke then goes seriously seems scummy to me.

[Brendan]

Not much. Me, Calix, and RLVG have discussed the person who got the gun claiming they got it, and using it today, since its a 4v2 day and if mafia got the gun they can and the game day 2 whether we lynch today or not as long as they aren't lynched. If a town is shot it'll be 3v2, which LYLO is better than MLYLO.

General consensus is to shoot today by hour 48 at the latest, and lynch in the last 24 hours. We can shoot earlier obviously. RLVG cast an early FOS on Brendan, as did I, for potentially shooting SJ, (I voted and unvoted to avoid a 2 scum quickhammer situation) Brendan brushed my FOS off as being intimidated by a veteran player and addressed RLVGs by saying he should be lynched.

I don't remember Calix stating she's susp of anyone left. RLVG said me and you should die today

Ok how about I make this interesting. I am the cop and I checked Ash. I received no feedback, so I was roleblocked. I don't have a gun, and I strongly suggest that RLVG die today. He is the only person I can imagine shooting SuperJack. The other kill is random, right now I suggest Ash or Mint as they're trolling.

[RLVG]

You're thinking that I would shoot SuperJack? Lol no. I would shoot you Brendan, because you're Brendan.
Also you're forgetting that there's two mafia, they're organizing a kill together.

Now, let's think about this...
1. SuperJack got killed, who was an important PR.
2. Brendan got roleblocked, who was an important PR.

This is extremely lucky of the mafia and I'm expecting a counterclaim to Brendan's cop & roleblock claim.

[Toadette]

I like it, let's see if there's a cc. Considering its MLYLO, a cop claim day 1 after being roleblocked is believable, but we'll see if there's a cc

[Toadette]

I'm mulling over a possibly unpopular idea too depending on if there's a cc. We'll see

I'd shoot ash today instead of Brendan.

[Toadette]

Currently I'm at: shoot Ash, lynch RLVG

[Ash]

I'm mulling over a possibly unpopular idea too depending on if there's a cc. We'll see

I'd shoot ash today instead of Brendan.

wow dude nice OMGUS, i FOSed you so now you are saying to shoot me instead of brendan

pretty scummy

[Toadette]

wow dude nice OMGUS, i FOSed you so now you are saying to shoot me instead of brendan

pretty scummy

Brendan claimed cop, and you haven't given any reason yet for ms to believe you are town. If you ignore my questions, then say "this person and that person are scum" and that's it, there's nothing to go off of.

[Toadette]

Vote resets after a gunshot.

Do we get the gunshot flip when the votes reset or at day end?

[Jim]

Tacobell?

[Jim]

Tacobell?

Shit wrong chat

[Toadette]

Thoughts on me vs Ash?

[Brendan]

You're thinking that I would shoot SuperJack? Lol no. I would shoot you Brendan, because you're Brendan.
Also you're forgetting that there's two mafia, they're organizing a kill together.

Now, let's think about this...
1. SuperJack got killed, who was an important PR.
2. Brendan got roleblocked, who was an important PR.

This is extremely lucky of the mafia and I'm expecting a counterclaim to Brendan's cop & roleblock claim.

pretty weak reasoning there bud

[Brendan]

Thoughts on me vs Ash?

1v1 rust imo

[Ash]

Shit wrong chat
nice Freudian slip XDDD

[Toadette]

pretty weak reasoning there bud

I don't get how discrediting a cop claim by "that seems lucky" makes sense at all

[Brendan]

Well I know of all the people that would shoot me for being me RLVG isn't one of them. Would be Ash or Mint. That's also my reasoning for wanting to kill one of them. I was role blocked so I'm thinking one of them is escort.

[Ash]

brendan isn't cop you autists

[Toadette]

brendan isn't cop you autists

I see no reason why to believe he isn't

[Brendan]

RLVG

[Toadette]

Whoever got the gun. Claim already.

[RLVG]

Well I know of all the people that would shoot me for being me RLVG isn't one of them. Would be Ash or Mint. That's also my reasoning for wanting to kill one of them. I was role blocked so I'm thinking one of them is escort.

I just love how you're arguing with me about that I would not shoot you when I'm quite honest about it.
Still not taking in action that there's two mafia and both of them can have different action suggestions.

Your reason to vote me is biased.

"So I'm thinking one of them is escort"... If you read the setup, one of them is that by default.


Whoever got the gun. Claim already.

I claimed not having a gun, so that's one player down. Want to mass claim not having a gun?

[RLVG]

I initially didn't believe his claim because Mafia is just too lucky, but now that there's apparently no one counterclaiming Brendan I can't help but to believe him.

Great, this game is now a Citizen War, with one of them as an Innocent Child.

[RLVG]

So back to the planning board.

I FoS Brendan initially because he's the slow responder *Cough* and he's Brendan. It's a biased FoS mixed with host meta.
Toadette however...


1. RLVG
2. Calix
3. Brendan
4. Ash
5. Toadette
6. MintBerry Crunch

Which one of these players is likely to kill SJ night 1 after 0 crumbs, given his recent terrible lurker and shitpost play? Probably someone who hasn't played with him in a while.

Let's park a vote here for a minute.

Brendan



You make a good point Calix

-placeholder vote Brendan



Consort exists to block cop, that's it

Toadette has a less biased FoS, saying Brendan is the one who would shoot SuperJack. Also points out quick things like Consort's ability.
Might be a tiny bit freudian slip and could be the one who roleblocked Brendan.

/discuss

[Toadette]

I claim not having a gun.

[Calix]

Just going to check in and claim Citizen without a Gun.

I'm considering that Ash might be counterclaiming Brendan in his usual eloquent fashion, but I'll wait for him to directly confirm that before we can discuss further.

[Ash]

Just going to check in and claim Citizen without a Gun.

I'm considering that Ash might be counterclaiming Brendan in his usual eloquent fashion, but I'll wait for him to directly confirm that before we can discuss further.

no, I'm not counterclaiming Brendan, I just thought he was trolling since he claimed cop before the game even began. he probably is cop, idk

[Toadette]

no, I'm not counterclaiming Brendan, I just thought he was trolling since he claimed cop before the game even began. he probably is cop, idk

It's MLYLO, basically LYLO if mafia has a gun. Why wouldn't he claim to cut the bs?

So I guess super gave the gun to ole cap'n crunch?

[Brendan]

It's MLYLO, basically LYLO if mafia has a gun. Why wouldn't he claim to cut the bs?

So I guess super gave the gun to ole cap'n crunch?

maybe he didn't give gun, it's a possibility

[RLVG]

Can you no action?

Lol firstcolor on mobile.

[powerofdeath]

Yes

[Toadette]

Welp

Ash

[RLVG]

Damn, this silence is toxic.

Ash

[Toadette]

Well this is fun

[Brendan]

does anyone have a gun plz

[Toadette]

What a disappointing game.

[Toadette]

We have around 27 hours left

[Toadette]

HEY STUPIDS

COME VOTE

[Toadette]

In the last 24 hours, RLVG posted once and Brendan posted once. Mintberry Crunch hasn't posted in 42 hours, and has made the bare minimum by posting 6 times. Even Calix has disappointed by posting once in the last 48 hours or so. Wtf

Mintberry Crunch

[Toadette]

In the last 24 hours, RLVG posted once and Brendan posted once. Mintberry Crunch hasn't posted in 42 hours, and has made the bare minimum by posting 6 times. Even Calix has disappointed by posting once in the last 48 hours or so. Wtf

Mintberry Crunch

Meaning in the last 24 hours, 3/7 players have posted.

[RLVG]

I told you it's fucking toxic lol.

Your vote looks random, moving to Ash and then Mintberry. Want to make up your mind?
I'll vote Calix because I have far high expectations of her when it comes to activity.

Calix

[Toadette]

I told you it's fucking toxic lol.

Your vote looks random, moving to Ash and then Mintberry. Want to make up your mind?
I'll vote Calix because I have far high expectations of her when it comes to activity.

Calix

I just want to get a lynch and lynching people that don't post seems reasonable. Mafia can literally not return over the next 15 hours-ish that are left and auto win

Calix

[Toadette]

Day 1 MLYLO / possible LYLO situation. Why would Mafia have incentive to do anything?

[RLVG]

Didn't this happen in another PoD setup? Deja vu.

[Toadette]

Probably. I'm just annoyed that the game will be over so early based off of inactivity

[Ash]

i believe the mafia is brendan

[RLVG]

i believe the mafia is brendan

Jokes on us, there's a lack of counterclaims so he's the PR and will be killed tonight.

[Toadette]

Yeah no cc on Brendan

Vote Calix with us

[Toadette]

We need to lynch. If a Mafia doesn't claim gun and afks, they auto win if we don't lynch.

[Ash]

Yeah no cc on Brendan

Vote Calix with us



US

how do i know that you're both not mafia?

[RLVG]

how do i know that you're both not mafia?

How do we know that you're not mafia defending mafia by not voting them? Capice?

[RLVG]

Should be concerned that you're only active because we're active or that you're active because we're voting Calix?

[Toadette]

how do i know that you're both not mafia?

Then vote one of us. Do something other than nothing

[Ash]

How do we know that you're not mafia defending mafia by not voting them? Capice?
mafia is just a luck-based game

Calix

[Calix]

I told you it's fucking toxic lol.

Your vote looks random, moving to Ash and then Mintberry. Want to make up your mind?
I'll vote Calix because I have far high expectations of her when it comes to activity.

Calix


I just want to get a lynch and lynching people that don't post seems reasonable. Mafia can literally not return over the next 15 hours-ish that are left and auto win

Calix


mafia is just a luck-based game

Calix

The only reason I am being voted is because of meta, just like in Sen's game. Learn to read my fucking posts instead of going "herp derp Calix hasn't posted much, must be scum". Because apparently I am supposed to generate activity out of thin air even though Mintberry has literally not been online in almost two days and Ash hasn't posted anything substantial.

Why does nobody find it suspicious that Ash keeps saying Brendan isn't cop even though there is no counter-claim and Ash has explicitly said he isn't counter-claiming? He said he thought Brendan was trolling UNTIL there was no counter-claim, so why would he make that comment now, of all times?

What am I supposed to do when only RLVG and Toadette post? I can't definitively tell if they are town or scum because I do not have the bigger picture. I cannot operate when two players do not post enough for me to get a read on them.

As it stands, I find Toadette's vote-hopping and push for a lynch (of a player she isn't even scum-reading) to be suspicious. She had a vote on Ash for a legitimate reason, yet decides to move away from that onto me...because RLVG moved his vote. While RLVG's reasoning sucks, at least there's some consistency in his reasoning.

Toadette

By the way, I will be happy to move my vote back to Ash. Considering how quick both of them were to jump onto my train with no fucks given about hammers...

[Toadette]

You're being voted for being a stupid lurky derp this game.

[Toadette]

I am also OK with voting Ash or Mintberry. I want a lynch and given how this game has gone, it might not happen so lets make it happen.

[Calix]

You're being voted for being a stupid lurky derp this game.

gr8 reasoning, 10/10

I also like how you haven't unvoted to stop scum coming in to quick-hammer even though you are going to be around for several more hours.

15 hours is not a small amount of time, you know.

[Calix]

I am also OK with voting Ash or Mintberry. I want a lynch and given how this game has gone, it might not happen so lets make it happen.

I think RLVG will be around. Just need Brendan to judge, really.

[Toadette]

gr8 reasoning, 10/10

I also like how you haven't unvoted to stop scum coming in to quick-hammer even though you are going to be around for several more hours.

15 hours is not a small amount of time, you know.

Given that you posted once in the last 48 hoursish up until you posted again, and only 3 of us had posted in the last 24 hours or so until I poked this thing again, I have little faith in anything happening.

I am okay with a Mintberry lynch since he's more useless than you. Let's make it happen

Mintberry Crunch

Also don't put your anger for being voted on me Calix. Unlike you I've been trying to make things happen here

[Calix]

Given that you posted once in the last 48 hoursish up until you posted again, and only 3 of us had posted in the last 24 hours or so until I poked this thing again, I have little faith in anything happening.

I am okay with a Mintberry lynch since he's more useless than you. Let's make it happen

Mintberry Crunch

Also don't put your anger for being voted on me Calix. Unlike you I've been trying to make things happen here

I'll get annoyed if I have to post copious amounts every game or risk being scum-read/ lynched for it, even though the posts I made were decent. The perks of meta!

I understand the frustration with the general inactivity though.

Why do you not want to vote Ash then? That train makes sense too, no?

[Brendan]

Town plz vote with cop plz

[Toadette]

I'll get annoyed if I have to post copious amounts every game or risk being scum-read/ lynched for it, even though the posts I made were decent. The perks of meta!

I understand the frustration with the general inactivity though.

Why do you not want to vote Ash then? That train makes sense too, no?

I had my vote on Ash before. I am okay with that vote too.

[Toadette]

Town plz vote with cop plz

Vote Ash or Cap'n Crunch

[Calix]

Town plz vote with cop plz

I have an idea. Unless you're town-reading the guy who keeps doubt-casting you, why don't we vote Ash? There's three of us. Toadette can vote later since she'll be around nearer the deadline to stop premature hammers. (I will be asleep by then)

[Toadette]

Brendan bote before you peace out. Gun owner isn't claiming if there is one. The time to vote is now.

[Toadette]

I have an idea. Unless you're town-reading the guy who keeps doubt-casting you, why don't we vote Ash? There's three of us. Toadette can vote later since she'll be around nearer the deadline to stop premature hammers. (I will be asleep by then)

I don't get why you're waiting to vote ash since you're so insistent of voting Ash.

Also, why Ash instead of Mintberry? Are you down with voting Mintberry as well? If Brendan goes that way?

[RLVG]

Ash is too much of a troll to get a read. I think it's annoying how he keeps saying Brendan isn't a cop though.
Remember when he claimed Cop and was scum, before the reset of the setup? Then he didn't post at all for a while when the game started, the game also didn't restart for a while because of some reason unexplained... Now that I think of it, maybe it's Ash who was inactive / gone and the other scum was also inactive for some reason.

Ash

[Brendan]

Brendan bote before you peace out. Gun owner isn't claiming if there is one. The time to vote is now.

I will vote mint before we run out of time

[Calix]

I don't get why you're waiting to vote ash since you're so insistent of voting Ash.

Also, why Ash instead of Mintberry? Are you down with voting Mintberry as well? If Brendan goes that way?

I am waiting until I go to bed because it reduces the chance of the day ending early. That is why, when Ash had two votes on him earlier, I didn't join the train. Speaking of that, did Ash ever really respond to those votes?

I can even tell you when I will vote (~3 hours) so that you have enough time to switch votes onto me if I don't live up to my promise.

I have a slight scum read on Ash. Mintberry is just null/ hard to read with the posts they have. Scum read > Null.

[RLVG]

Mintberry seems to be inactive, so the two could be scum together probably.

[Brendan]

Ash is too much of a troll to get a read. I think it's annoying how he keeps saying Brendan isn't a cop though.
Remember when he claimed Cop and was scum, before the reset of the setup? Then he didn't post at all for a while when the game started, the game also didn't restart for a while because of some reason unexplained... Now that I think of it, maybe it's Ash who was inactive / gone and the other scum was also inactive for some reason.

Ash

This post pretty much confirmed for me that Mint is his teammate.

[Toadette]

Guys follow the cop. We know he's town due to no cc

[Calix]

This post pretty much confirmed for me that Mint is his teammate.

What makes you think Ash = Town?

[Calix]

Guys follow the cop. We know he's town due to no cc

Appeal to authority. Just because he is Cop doesn't mean he is correct. We have talk going on, no need to rush.

[RLVG]

RLVG, Toadette, Calix = Active players. = Town
Brendan = Un-CC'd Cop. = Triad obviously /S
Ash, Mintebrry = Inactive players. = Scum

We did it guys!

[Toadette]

Appeal to authority. Just because he is Cop doesn't mean he is correct. We have talk going on, no need to rush.

Not appeal to authority at all. When he's confirmed town but I don't know that you're town or not, same with RLVG and I'm willing to vote either mint or ash, I'll follow the confirmed town.

[RLVG]

Inb4 Ash is actually the Cop and he's too much of a fucking troll to claim.

[Brendan]

What makes you think Ash = Town?

Don't know if he's town, just don't think he's the better lynch given other posts and players.

[RLVG]

ALSO THEM VOTES

RLVG's Special Vote Counter

MintBerry Crunch (1 [L-3]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/2038)
Toadette (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571588)
RLVG (1 [L-3]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/6656)
Brendan (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571207)
Ash (1 [L-3]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/2697)
RLVG (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571599)
Calix (1 [L-3]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27116)
Ash (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571577)
Toadette (1 [L-3]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/24216)
Calix (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571583)

[Toadette]

Remember guys, Mintberry literally made the bare minimum and peaced. Min post requirement is 5, Mintberry made 6. Inactivity doesn't necessarily equate to scum, but given the state of the game day 1 it looks bad

[Calix]

Remember guys, Mintberry literally made the bare minimum and peaced. Min post requirement is 5, Mintberry made 6. Inactivity doesn't necessarily equate to scum, but given the state of the game day 1 it looks bad

If he's scum, I see no shame in 'losing' to an inactive. Not talking requires no skill, the victory would be meaningless and he proves himself as a player that nobody wants in their games.

Consider it pride.

[RLVG]

Mintberry :
Last Activity March 8th, 2016 09:39 AM

[RLVG]

You must post at least 5 times during the 24 hours day.

So wait... You don't even have to meet the requirement Day 1 since it's 72 hours?

[Toadette]

If he's scum, I see no shame in 'losing' to an inactive. Not talking requires no skill, the victory would be meaningless and he proves himself as a player that nobody wants in their games.

Consider it pride.

Cool, Frog did the same thing in Sen's matrix game and still gets invited to games. Scum has no motivation to hunt scum and if they are not in the spotlight why bother?

Pride or not this is not a reason not to vote Mintberry.

[RLVG]

In that case I just keep my vote on Ash.

[Calix]

Cool, Frog did the same thing in Sen's matrix game and still gets invited to games. Scum has no motivation to hunt scum and if they are not in the spotlight why bother?

Pride or not this is not a reason not to vote Mintberry.

Ash has also exhibited the same behaviour in the sense that he only responds when prodded.

I also said that Ash is a scum read and Mintberry is a null read. That is not an invalid reason. Why do you care so much which one gets lynched?

[Toadette]

Bonsoir


Personally I would lynch Superjack and shoot Brendan but that's just me.


Toadette can you give me a rundown of the events so far, i have glaucoma and shouldn't read pages on pages of text


RLVG jumping with Toadette for what seems to be a joke then goes seriously seems scummy to me.


Tacobell?


Shit wrong chat

There's all of his posts. Two posts aren't even game related. When he was discussing the game, he gives a lazy read of RLVG which seemed to be popular opinion of some at the time.


Mintberry :
Last Activity March 8th, 2016 09:39 AM

What timezone is that mate? Where do I see such a thing?

[Toadette]

Ash has also exhibited the same behaviour in the sense that he only responds when prodded.

I also said that Ash is a scum read and Mintberry is a null read. That is not an invalid reason. Why do you care so much which one gets lynched?

I will lynch either I don't see how you scum read one and not the other. Both are scummy.

[Toadette]

Also lol because Calix only responded when prodded

[Ash]

Experoments

[Toadette]

I'm not sure how I feel about Calix here. The butthurt seems normal but the OMGUS was silly and her defense of a null read seems off. She seems so focused on Ash even though the case can be made for multiple people to be lynched, not just Ash.

[Calix]

I will lynch either I don't see how you scum read one and not the other. Both are scummy.

Making off-topic posts =/= scum tell. You yourself say this in other games.


Also lol because Calix only responded when prodded

Because the posts I made before being voted were totally useless and only done when prodded /s

Never mind three hours, I can vote now.

Ash

pedit: If I only voted out of OMGUS (way to oversimplify the reasoning), then why would I not vote the guy who started my train?

[Calix]

Making off-topic posts =/= scum tell. You yourself say this in other games.



Because the posts I made before being voted were totally useless and only done when prodded /s

Never mind three hours, I can vote now.

Ash

pedit: If I only voted out of OMGUS (way to oversimplify the reasoning), then why would I not vote the guy who started my train?

To add to this, RLVG already had the Cop voting him so it would have been a safer train than pushing a new one onto you.

[Ash]

Don't know why you guys are trying so hard on this luck-based game.

You could accuse other people of FOS, OMGUS, lurking, etc, it doesn't really matter. It's luck-based...

[Toadette]

Making off-topic posts =/= scum tell. You yourself say this in other games.



Because the posts I made before being voted were totally useless and only done when prodded /s

Never mind three hours, I can vote now.

Ash

pedit: If I only voted out of OMGUS (way to oversimplify the reasoning), then why would I not vote the guy who started my train?

You're right, making off topic posts are not a scum tell but there's more to it than that. The two posts put him at 6 over the 5 required by the rules. Mintberry has shown 0 initiative or drive to find scum, made a lazy read after having someone else summarize the game for him, and hasn't returned. In a day where its very possibly LYLO, that's scummy. Don't oversimplify it.

[Calix]

Don't know why you guys are trying so hard on this luck-based game.

You could accuse other people of FOS, OMGUS, lurking, etc, it doesn't really matter. It's luck-based...

That's the entire point. We sign up to argue with equally belligerent strangers on the internet about pointless shit. Not sure how you missed that.

[RLVG]

To add to this, RLVG already had the Cop voting him so it would have been a safer train than pushing a new one onto you.

But he's voting me based on gut. He has no evidence whatsoever lol.

[Toadette]

To add to this, RLVG already had the Cop voting him so it would have been a safer train than pushing a new one onto you.

It would have been seen as hypocritical for putting him at L-2 when you have been against putting people at L-2, so that seems more like you getting off an OMGUS while covering your ass. Point out one thing I've done scummy this game.

[Calix]

You're right, making off topic posts are not a scum tell but there's more to it than that. The two posts put him at 6 over the 5 required by the rules. Mintberry has shown 0 initiative or drive to find scum, made a lazy read after having someone else summarize the game for him, and hasn't returned. In a day where its very possibly LYLO, that's scummy. Don't oversimplify it.

The only post where he makes an effort is #4 (iirc) before he dropped off. That is not much and I wouldn't care for it under other circumstances but it is more than what Ash has done with his fatalistic attitude. I'd rather focus on the player who is actually here, over someone who hasn't logged onto his account in over a day and won't be able to defend himself.

[Calix]

It would have been seen as hypocritical for putting him at L-2 when you have been against putting people at L-2, so that seems more like you getting off an OMGUS while covering your ass. Point out one thing I've done scummy this game.

Read the chat, for I already explained why I voted you earlier.

RLVG's post on you was not shabby. Did you ever respond to that?

The fact you are trying to claim that your play this game has no faults and can only be town-read is also...questionable.

[Toadette]

The only post where he makes an effort is #4 (iirc) before he dropped off. That is not much and I wouldn't care for it under other circumstances but it is more than what Ash has done with his fatalistic attitude. I'd rather focus on the player who is actually here, over someone who hasn't logged onto his account in over a day and won't be able to defend himself.

So you're against a "policy lynch" of an inactive player but not against a "policy lynch" of a troll?

[Calix]

So you're against a "policy lynch" of an inactive player but not against a "policy lynch" of a troll?

It's not a policy lynch if I scum-read him. Nice misrep.

You are also blatantly defending him at this point.

[Toadette]

Read the chat, for I already explained why I voted you earlier.

RLVG's post on you was not shabby. Did you ever respond to that?

The fact you are trying to claim that your play this game has no faults and can only be town-read is also...questionable.

Its not that my game has no faults, but switching votes is not scummy. Point out something that actually is. Justify your OMGUS. I want to see you do it.

[Toadette]

It's not a policy lynch if I scum-read him. Nice misrep.

You are also blatantly defending him at this point.

Yet the reasoning you state are policy reasonings disguised as a "scum read".

[Calix]

Its not that my game has no faults, but switching votes is not scummy. Point out something that actually is. Justify your OMGUS. I want to see you do it.

You just criticised me for 'policy lynching' a scum read, yet you voted me...to policy lynch because I hadn't posted enough.

That isn't a justification of my supposed OMGUS on a player who didn't start my train, by the way.

Pedit: Putting someone at L-1 with shitty reasoning, responding when prodded, doubt-casting on a Cop and contributing nothing despite actually being online =/= shoddy reasoning.

If there is no difference between them in your eyes, why are you so intent on getting players to vote Mintberry over Ash? You voted Ash earlier, what is the problem now?

[Toadette]

It's not a policy lynch if I scum-read him. Nice misrep.

You are also blatantly defending him at this point.

Yeah, cause me leaving Ash at L-2 while me and RLVG were voting him for MORE than 24 hours is suuuuuuch a defense of Ash. Totally.

[Toadette]

I voted you Calix out of frustration that no one was doing anything. Now that shit is happening I switched my vote. Not the same in the slightest.

[Toadette]

Bottom line: in MLYLO/LYLO, you refuse to even be open to the idea of voting Mintberry even though both him and Ash have been scummy.

I find that very troubling.

[Toadette]

Calix

[Calix]

Yeah, cause me leaving Ash at L-2 while me and RLVG were voting him for MORE than 24 hours is suuuuuuch a defense of Ash. Totally.

A) Inactive game meant that he was unlikely to be hammered, especially after I warned players against careless voting.

B) You log on every day and keep track of votes. You can easily unvote if he was put in serious danger.

C) You're a known busser, so this is downright hilarious as a defense. Retorting 'but people know I do that so I wouldn't bus my ally' is not a valid defense as you can easily use that reasoning to bus freely.


I voted you Calix out of frustration that no one was doing anything. Now that shit is happening I switched my vote. Not the same in the slightest.

I'm not open to voting Mintberry because I think Ash is scummier and more likely to flip red. He's given no reason to think he's town and he's been around enough to defend himself properly. Instead he's given up. I don't consider that attitude to have the town urgency or determination that should be expected.

Mintberry has not been online in over a day. I am not lynching a player who is inactive in a fucking MYLO situation when we have a scummy player who is reading the chat and fails to defend himself.

[Calix]

Calix

Nice chainsaw.

[Toadette]

Calix warns everyone about L-2 quick hammer, says she'll vote Ash in a few hours

Leaves Ash at L-2 during the most active time of the game

Kinda like how she put Helz at L-1 in simple arsonist. Actions font match her words.

[RLVG]

This fucking indecision. :facepalm:

[Calix]

Calix warns everyone about L-2 quick hammer, says she'll vote Ash in a few hours

Leaves Ash at L-2 during the most active time of the game

Kinda like how she put Helz at L-1 in simple arsonist. Actions font match her words.

I said that I had changed my mind. Nice try though.

It's obvious that Mintberry is not online, Ash cannot vote himself, Brendan likes to AFK and you're not going to vote him.

[Toadette]

I'll vote Ash by day end because fuck no lynch in possible LYLO

But Calix is prerttttty scummy right now.

[Calix]

I'll vote Ash by day end because fuck no lynch in possible LYLO

But Calix is prerttttty scummy right now.

"I will wait until the last possible moment to make it a No Lynch because nobody else is around to vote."

You said you wanted a lynch. Mintberry is not online to vote. Brendan is uncounterclaimed Cop and won't quick-hammer. With that in mind, I'm not seeing the reason to wait.

If Mintberry decides to appear, one of us can easily unvote.

[Calix]

"I will wait until the last possible moment to make it a No Lynch because nobody else is around to vote."

You said you wanted a lynch. Mintberry is not online to vote. Brendan is uncounterclaimed Cop and won't quick-hammer. With that in mind, I'm not seeing the reason to wait.

If Mintberry decides to appear, one of us can easily unvote.

That isn't a request for you to VOTE RIGHT THIS SECOND HOLY SHIT but waiting until the day end is pretty stupid.

[Toadette]

"I will wait until the last possible moment to make it a No Lynch because nobody else is around to vote."

You said you wanted a lynch. Mintberry is not online to vote. Brendan is uncounterclaimed Cop and won't quick-hammer. With that in mind, I'm not seeing the reason to wait.

If Mintberry decides to appear, one of us can easily unvote.

I was desperate for something to happen because nothing. Was. Happening. This game was dead.

Now that dialogue has been happening why are uoh so desperate to lynch right now? Mislynch ends the game in scums favor

[Calix]

I was desperate for something to happen because nothing. Was. Happening. This game was dead.

Now that dialogue has been happening why are uoh so desperate to lynch right now? Mislynch ends the game in scums favor

Reread the post and you'll see that I don't expect a lynch to happen right now because none of the potential hammering players are online/ active.

Way to state the obvious in your last sentence.

[Toadette]

Reread the post and you'll see that I don't expect a lynch to happen right now because none of the potential hammering players are online/ active.

Way to state the obvious in your last sentence.

Yet you're getting so angry that I'm not desperate for a lynch anymore after confirmed town stated he'd be back before day end.


"I will wait until the last possible moment to make it a No Lynch because nobody else is around to vote."

You said you wanted a lynch. Mintberry is not online to vote. Brendan is uncounterclaimed Cop and won't quick-hammer. With that in mind, I'm not seeing the reason to wait.

If Mintberry decides to appear, one of us can easily unvote.

See that's the thing though Calix. I may be wrong about you and I'm willing to vote ash if I can't get people to vote you.

I want you lynched. Ash is plan B, why am I going to throw my vote on plan B

[Calix]

Yet you're getting so angry that I'm not desperate for a lynch anymore after confirmed town stated he'd be back before day end.



See that's the thing though Calix. I may be wrong about you and I'm willing to vote ash if I can't get people to vote you.

I want you lynched. Ash is plan B, why am I going to throw my vote on plan B

'angry' - You've seen me angry and this isn't it. I am dealing with the lady who's out to mislynch me every game, after all.

I don't recall Brendan saying that, but since I doubt you'd pull that out of your arse, one mo while I look through the chat.

There is no way that not wanting to lynch an inactive because I scum-read Ash makes me scummier than Ash. There is no logical reason to think that.

[Calix]

Yeah, I see Brendan saying he'd vote Mint, implying he'll be around. I'll take it.

[Toadette]

It's as RLVG said - Ash and Mint are being scum read for being inactive. That's pretty much it. Why you're willing to vote an active lurker and refuse to vote someone who "won't be around to defend themselves" when they have had plenty of time to so that, is beyond me.

If I'm not mistaken, RLVG is voting ash for being unreadable. RLVG, assuming Mintberry doesn't return, we're going to need you to vote Calix

[Calix]

It's as RLVG said - Ash and Mint are being scum read for being inactive. That's pretty much it. Why you're willing to vote an active lurker and refuse to vote someone who "won't be around to defend themselves" when they have had plenty of time to so that, is beyond me.

If I'm not mistaken, RLVG is voting ash for being unreadable. RLVG, assuming Mintberry doesn't return, we're going to need you to vote Calix

He's not actively lurking, he's refusing to defend himself because 'it's luck-based' (basically giving up), keeps shoveling doubt onto the Cop for no reason and sheeps a train to put someone at L-1, showing an obvious disregard for a hammer which does not fit in with a town mentality. This behaviour is more detrimental to town than Mintberry being AFK and making off-topic posts, therefore I prefer to lynch Ash.

Now you are trying to switch votes away from Ash and onto me, despite your only reason for that being 'she is voting someone who she scum-reads over someone she null-reads'.

[Calix]

He's not actively lurking, he's refusing to defend himself because 'it's luck-based' (basically giving up), keeps shoveling doubt onto the Cop for no reason and sheeps a train to put someone at L-1, showing an obvious disregard for a hammer which does not fit in with a town mentality. This behaviour is more detrimental to town than Mintberry being AFK and making off-topic posts, therefore I prefer to lynch Ash.

Now you are trying to switch votes away from Ash and onto me, despite your only reason for that being 'she is voting someone who she scum-reads over someone she null-reads'.

If Brendan is going to return, why on Earth would you need RLVG to change trains when we would then have enough votes to lynch Ash?

[Toadette]

If Brendan is going to return, why on Earth would you need RLVG to change trains when we would then have enough votes to lynch Ash?

Because I want you lynched. You're plan A. Derp.

[Calix]

Because I want you lynched. You're plan A. Derp.

Yet you do not counter my accusations against Ash, nor do you have anything against me other than not wanting to lynch an inactive player.

[Ash]

Do you guys have any proof?

[Calix]

Do you guys have any proof?

Did you read the setup?

[Toadette]

Yet you do not counter my accusations against Ash, nor do you have anything against me other than not wanting to lynch an inactive player.

I don't feel the need to defend Ash. Ash may be scum, but you're scummier. Derp.

[Ash]

Did you read the setup?
Yes.

[Calix]

I don't feel the need to defend Ash. Ash may be scum, but you're scummier. Derp.

There is no way that my actions make me scummier than Ash and you know it. You have yet to make anything resembling a case against me aside from trying to push my vote onto Mintberry over Ash.

If you think Ash is scum, vote him. I am not getting mislynched. It is that simple.

[Toadette]

There is no way that my actions make me scummier than Ash and you know it. You have yet to make anything resembling a case against me aside from trying to push my vote onto Mintberry over Ash.

If you think Ash is scum, vote him. I am not getting mislynched. It is that simple.

You're not getting mislynched because you are scum.

[Calix]

Yes.

Then why would you ask for proof when the point of mafia is that there is no conclusive proof aside from how people act? You've played more games than I have, so trying to act like a noob isn't helping your case.

[Calix]

You're not getting mislynched because you are scum.

No case, aside from the fact that I am voting your scum buddy. That is the only reason you want me dead.

[RLVG]

Calix (2 [L-2]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27116)
Toadette (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571649), Ash (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571577)
RLVG (1 [L-3]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/6656)
Brendan (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571207)
Ash (2 [L-2]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/2697)
RLVG (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571599), Calix (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571628)

[Toadette]

No case, aside from the fact that I am voting your scum buddy. That is the only reason you want me dead.

Nope, I have made my case and don't need to convince you because you are scum so why repeat myself?

You on the other hand can't seem to choose whether you think I am scum or town which is why you keep trying to convince me

[Brendan]

Mintberry Crunch
If you guys don't want to lynch RLVG that's ok, but let's lynch Mint instead of Ash. RLVG is voting for Ash.

[RLVG]

If you guys don't want to lynch RLVG that's ok, but let's lynch Mint instead of Ash. RLVG is voting for Ash.

This is logical fallacy. :facepalm:

[Calix]

Mintberry Crunch
If you guys don't want to lynch RLVG that's ok, but let's lynch Mint instead of Ash. RLVG is voting for Ash.

Why do you not vote Ash? There is nothing pro-town about him and he has had ample opportunity to defend himself.

[Calix]

Why do you not vote Ash? There is nothing pro-town about him and he has had ample opportunity to defend himself.

Your reason for not voting Ash is 'this other guy who I don't know the alignment of is voting him too!'

Aka, a pre-flip association.

[Ash]

Why do you not vote Ash? There is nothing pro-town about him and he has had ample opportunity to defend himself.

Proof?

[Calix]

Proof?

You don't explain why you are town, nor do you give reads or seem to care about the fact that you are being voted. Hell, half of your posts have been trolling attempts. This is not pro-town behaviour.

Town would care because it's LYLO. Scum would be less inclined to because a lynch on their team doesn't end the game for them.

[Toadette]

Your reason for not voting Ash is 'this other guy who I don't know the alignment of is voting him too!'

Aka, a pre-flip association.

Yet you pre-flip associate me with Ash

We have the votes let's do it

MintBerry Crunch

[RLVG]

Ah whatever, Brendan won't vote anyone else. Follow the cop indeed.

MintBerry Crunch

[Calix]

Town loses due to shitty Cop.

GG, I give up.

[Toadette]

Calix, Brendan isn't going to vote Ash. There are two scums this game. Refusal to vote anyone but Ash is scummy.

[Calix]

Calix, Brendan isn't going to vote Ash. There are two scums this game. Refusal to vote anyone but Ash is scummy.

But I think you are the other scum, so why would I vote Mintberry...?

[Toadette]

But I think you are the other scum, so why would I vote Mintberry...?

So your read is 100%? No chance of being wrong? Why are you so sure?

[Calix]

So your read is 100%? No chance of being wrong? Why are you so sure?

No, it's not 100%. I have more evidence against you two than I do for Mintberry.

I'm expecting Ash to hammer so w/e, town loses.

[Toadette]

Also Calix, if it were me + Ash, Ash can hammer. Refusing to hammer here accomplishes nothing but delaying the game.

[RLVG]

I like Calix and Toadette.

Ash

[Ash]

MintBerry Crunch

Oha!

[RLVG]

MintBerry Crunch

Oha!

I knew Ash would attempt a quickhammer.

[Calix]

MintBerry Crunch

Oha!

Oh hey, quick-hammer.

[Toadette]

I like Calix and Toadette.

Ash

Lol wut?

[Calix]

Lol wut?

He just tried to quick-hammer. No excuse to not vote him.

[Toadette]

He just tried to quick-hammer. No excuse to not vote him.

No I mean wut by liking Calix and Toadette. I don't get that comment

[Brendan]

That quick vote to prevent his scum friend from getting lynched ayy lmao

[Calix]

That quick vote to prevent his scum friend from getting lynched ayy lmao

ASH JUST TRIED TO END THE DAY EARLY, FUCKING VOTE HIM YOU RETARD

[Brendan]

It's not really a quick hammer either, the day is about to end.

[RLVG]

I can hammer Mint though if any of you want me to. I rather everyone agree to it so we can end the discussion properly.

[Brendan]

ASH JUST TRIED TO END THE DAY EARLY, FUCKING VOTE HIM YOU RETARD

How is it early? Been like 70 hours now?

[Toadette]

Yeah quickhammer =/= scummy given we were talking about ending it

RLVG explain your comment about me and Calix?