M-FM XXVIII Heaven Descends Upon Thee Gamethread

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DAY ONE.
August the Twenty-Third, in the Year of Our Lord, One-Thousand, Nine-hundred, Twenty-Four

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"Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect." - the Book of Matthew, 24:44

It was the day the faithful had prepared for. After nearly 1,900 years of waiting patiently, their savior had returned. For weeks, there had been reports of a man walking on the surface of Lake Erie, but nothing yet had been confirmed. The faithful, however, believed.

An anonymous skeptic, editor-in-chief of the Cleavland Enquirer, was running article after article dismissing these claims: "Drunken Sailors Hallucinate on Lake Erie," "Walking-on-Water (WoW) Hoax Exposed," "No Scientific Evidence of Jesus' Return."

However, it was not only the faithful who noticed that the End of Days were beginning. The vile scum of the Earth held their heads too high to be judged and made other plans for Judgement Day. Agents of Evil had even more sinister plans; perhaps the prophecies were not as set in stone as they would have you believe.

May fate have mercy on your souls. Perhaps next time you will choose to believe in superior gods. *ahem*


Players:
1. M-FM Ernest Mitchell (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27893)
2. M-FM Bertha Anderson (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27896)
3. M-FM Mary Hughes (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27906)
4. M-FM William Reed (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27898)
5. M-FM Lillian Brady (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27891)
6. M-FM Clara Wilson (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27899)
7. M-FM Ethel McAllister (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27902)
8. M-FM Joseph Johnson (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27900)
9. M-FM Thomas King (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27908)
10. M-FM Fred Robinson (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27907)
11. M-FM Margaret Smith (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27895)
12. M-FM Edward O'Connor (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27892)
13. M-FM Roy Larkins (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27897)
14. M-FM Harry Smith (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27905)
15. M-FM Florence Palmer (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27903)
16. M-FM Clarence Shephard (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27894)
17. M-FM Gertrude Banks (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27909)
18. M-FM David Graham (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27904)
19. M-FM Thomas Grant (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27890)
20. M-FM Walter Livingston (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27901)

Day One ends at 6:00PM PST March 6th. (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=How+long+until+6:00PM+PST+March+6%3F)

Link to Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32324-M-FM-Heaven-Descends-Upon-Thee)

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

The game begins. Let us start this evening with a vote to kick this games RVS orf.
M-FM Florence Palmer

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

For the moment, I believe we should bobby a shufty more in depth at the setup to c what is interesting and maybe some insights 4 setup speculation. I will say I dinnae examine the setup to much beforehand so a few things I find interesting r the special mechanics. Considering the usage of "sins', I think therefore that at least two players hae some kind of role that makes em sin but r still with the town. If not more. I don't know what else to make of it, but I believe four hidden Christians will be power roles of some sort at most and rest will be devouts, this relying on persistent site meta.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

M-FM Harry Smith

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

M-FM Harry Smith

Any thoughts to add that I dinnae tackle?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

For the moment, I believe we should bobby a shufty more in depth at the setup to c what is interesting and maybe some insights 4 setup speculation. I will say I dinnae examine the setup to much beforehand so a few things I find interesting r the special mechanics. Considering the usage of "sins', I think therefore that at least two players hae some kind of role that makes em sin but r still with the town. If not more. I don't know what else to make of it, but I believe four hidden Christians will be power roles of some sort at most and rest will be devouts, this relying on persistent site meta.

Let us keep in mind that this is an approximation that we assume hosts would make for balance and shot be stuck to as a good reason for lynching particularly.

M-FM Joseph Johnson

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Let us keep in mind that this is an approximation that we assume hosts would make for balance and shouldn't be stuck to as a good reason for lynching particularly.

M-FM Joseph Johnson

fixed*

Also in reference to your 4tpr assumption

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Let us keep in mind that this is an approximation that we assume hosts would make for balance and shot be stuck to as a good reason for lynching particularly.

M-FM Joseph Johnson

What r y'r thoughts on the prayer mechanic in this game?
For reference:


Pray to Him: At night, instead of performing an action you may pray for any of the following things, unless you are "sinful"

Forgiveness: You are no longer marked as "sinful" (the only prayer a sinful can pray for)

Willpower: Replenish 1 charge of an action you have

Blessing: For 3 day/night cycles, your actions will not be considered sinful

Protection: You can not die the following night

Strength: You may roleblock someone the following night

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

What r y'r thoughts on the prayer mechanic in this game?
For reference:

Hmm, It's very interesting.
We must keep in mind that God can choose to or choose not to answer these prayers.

Do you believe that there are any prayer's that god should/shouldn't always be answered?

From my brief re-read of the setup. I don't see a reason for god not answering the Protection player unless we have someone saying they are going to shoot a particular person as vigi. I also don't see a real reason to.

God should also be very careful about accepting a forgiveness prayer then another prayer by the same person since I assume his number list won't be randomized each time.

Do you think that there is a scenario where god could find out all the evils based on prayers?

For example. We could each say what we would pray each night then based on if there is less than that number in an area that god recieves, we can confidently say that there is probably an evil in that group.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Considering the amount of anti town citizen type rolecards in this game, its possible my assumption of only four town power might be orf. Could be up to maybe even six as I try to think about it.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Oh great Lord of the Sun, could you please provide us with a link to the setup in your beginning post.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Hmm, It's very interesting.
We must keep in mind that God can choose to or choose not to answer these prayers.

Do you believe that there are any prayer's that god should/shouldn't always be answered?

From my brief re-read of the setup. I don't see a reason for god not answering the Protection player unless we have someone saying they are going to shoot a particular person as vigi. I also don't see a real reason to.

God should also be very careful about accepting a forgiveness prayer then another prayer by the same person since I assume his number list won't be randomized each time.

Do you think that there is a scenario where god could find out all the evils based on prayers?

For example. We could each say what we would pray each night then based on if there is less than that number in an area that god recieves, we can confidently say that there is probably an evil in that group.
Given there r only so many charges of the ability I would consider not granting the ability to roleblock players. It could be beneficial massively, but the fact it is a delayed wish and could block a town power, it could be a double edged sword where as Blessing and Protection r not. I agree with yeh on most protection, but he still should save charges throughout game, limiting number of prayers answered is dogs bollocks. I think those who ask 4 blessing prayers might be a little scummy in my view of whats its benefits are.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Considering the amount of anti town citizen type rolecards in this game, its possible my assumption of only four town power might be orf. Could be up to maybe even six as I try to think about it.

I believe that discussing the host meta choices in the amount of tprs more isn't beneficial and will only cause wifoming later on.
The best possible thing we could say is if we get many of the same claim, there may be a scum within them, but even that can be wrong.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I believe that discussing the host meta choices in the amount of tprs more isn't beneficial and will only cause wifoming later on.
The best possible thing we could say is if we get many of the same claim, there may be a scum within them, but even that can be wrong.
I was not using a host meta, I was simply considering how ye would balance the game more if ye wanted to put in more town power. For instance if ye wanted more town power ye need to add more negative utility roles that weaken the town, which is where some of the Citizen type roles come in.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Pray to Him: At night, instead of performing an action you may pray for any of the following things, unless you are "sinful"

Forgiveness: You are no longer marked as "sinful" (the only prayer a sinful can pray for)

Does this mean a non-sinful person could pray the forgiveness prayer?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I don't particularly care 4 Ethel coming in here and voting without yakking. Seems rather lazy, but at least they showed up. We hae a few more online, maybe we can get more discussion going.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Does this mean a non-sinful person could pray the forgiveness prayer?

My first thought is that No, as I can't fancy why a blok who isn't sinful pray for forgiveness. I have to take another gander at the setup but I don't recant a scum non sinful player

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Does this mean a non-sinful person could pray the forgiveness prayer?

If so, God needs to be very wary of answering forgiveness prayers, but at the same time this would allow us to potentially narrow down scum easier.

For example if we named certain people were supposed to pray forgiveness and no one else, this could potentially be used to force a no-kill or scum reveal on the prime sinner's kill ability if tested for multiple nights in a row. However in such a case, god should not answer these prayers. This combined with the numbers of other prayers that should be prayed can be used to artificially root out scum who made a night action or the Atheists and Antichrist factions that Cannot pray if used over multiple nights.

Perhaps it would be best to follow this strategy over the first few days.
If we change out who prays what each day then we could certainly artificially determine a list of scummy people if god makes a sheet keeping track of each number to their prayers since I am currently unsure if god should should reveal each day to update this information.

Thank you Mr.Anderson for reminding me that there are charges of god's answer ability. I originally thought he had much more than 30.

Could someone clarify how god's disguise mechanic works?
Does that mean if he is shot, the player shot would flip as the disguiser players role, and god gets login info of the disguised players account and begins using that?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I say we pressure a player I saw on a few minutes ago who didn't even pop in for a RVS:
M-FM Mary Hughes, I encourage others to be joining in on this.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Had some minor problems with this account, got distracted while fixing them so yeah. Also I took the time to ask some questions to the host (mostly regarding account stuff).

But yes I'm here. Glad to see that the day started with less of the you know what.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If so, God needs to be very wary of answering forgiveness prayers, but at the same time this would allow us to potentially narrow down scum easier.

For example if we named certain people were supposed to pray forgiveness and no one else, this could potentially be used to force a no-kill or scum reveal on the prime sinner's kill ability if tested for multiple nights in a row. However in such a case, god should not answer these prayers. This combined with the numbers of other prayers that should be prayed can be used to artificially root out scum who made a night action or the Atheists and Antichrist factions that Cannot pray if used over multiple nights.

Perhaps it would be best to follow this strategy over the first few days.
If we change out who prays what each day then we could certainly artificially determine a list of scummy people if god makes a sheet keeping track of each number to their prayers since I am currently unsure if god should should reveal each day to update this information.

Thank you Mr.Anderson for reminding me that there are charges of god's answer ability. I originally thought he had much more than 30.

Could someone clarify how god's disguise mechanic works?
Does that mean if he is shot, the player shot would flip as the disguiser players role, and god gets login info of the disguised players account and begins using that?

Although even if a nonsinful person cannot, this provides us with other benefits such as people lieing about performing sinful actions and merely making it slightly more difficult although just as accurate to artifically determine the scum who have a record of not praying even if it's a single time and if they do pray that forces them to do no night action including the factional kill i'm assuming.

Either way it appears to be a win-win.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Had some minor problems with this account, got distracted while fixing them so yeah. Also I took the time to ask some questions to the host (mostly regarding account stuff).

But yes I'm here. Glad to see that the day started with less of the you know what.
if I may repeat what I previously asked, what are your thoughts on setup so far if you took any peeks at it. If you were scum which prayer would you ask for tonight perhaps?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Although even if a nonsinful person cannot, this provides us with other benefits such as people lieing about performing sinful actions and merely making it slightly more difficult although just as accurate to artifically determine the scum who have a record of not praying even if it's a single time and if they do pray that forces them to do no night action including the factional kill i'm assuming.

Either way it appears to be a win-win.

However, this is also at the cost of town choosing not to perform their night actions if they have them and praying(aka cooperation from most if not all town members if we want guaranteed scum lynches going off past a certain day) I also haven't ran the odds to determine the minimal and maximum day where this strategy can give us a guaranteed scum lynch, but I believe we could probably start lynching on high probability by at least d4.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Although even if a nonsinful person cannot, this provides us with other benefits such as people lieing about performing sinful actions and merely making it slightly more difficult although just as accurate to artifically determine the scum who have a record of not praying even if it's a single time and if they do pray that forces them to do no night action including the factional kill i'm assuming.

Either way it appears to be a win-win.
Those who perform a prayer are immediately unlikely to be a town power role as well. I don't consider town power to be worried about being seen as "sinful"

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Hmm, It's very interesting.
We must keep in mind that God can choose to or choose not to answer these prayers.

Do you believe that there are any prayer's that god should/shouldn't always be answered?

From my brief re-read of the setup. I don't see a reason for god not answering the Protection player unless we have someone saying they are going to shoot a particular person as vigi. I also don't see a real reason to.

God should also be very careful about accepting a forgiveness prayer then another prayer by the same person since I assume his number list won't be randomized each time.

Do you think that there is a scenario where god could find out all the evils based on prayers?

For example. We could each say what we would pray each night then based on if there is less than that number in an area that god recieves, we can confidently say that there is probably an evil in that group.

I believe we should not be talking about what prayers God will answer. Unless our God is not all known praise the Almighty bow down and respect him God. He should be able to figure out who is needing what sorts of blessings.

I see nothing wrong with the forgiveness prayer. True, the protection prayer has it's uses but the forgiveness prayer is good too. Maybe I will pray for forgiveness of my sins. Aren't we all sinners in real life? But now my name is Ethel, a mostly pure woman.

God will not be able to find evils with only prayers, thats absurd. I do encourage God to try- the Almighty knowing all seer of the future to win us this game.

There are many players, and many prayers. I doubt in the ability to count. True, yes?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I believe we should not be talking about what prayers God will answer. Unless our God is not all known praise the Almighty bow down and respect him God. He should be able to figure out who is needing what sorts of blessings.

I see nothing wrong with the forgiveness prayer. True, the protection prayer has it's uses but the forgiveness prayer is good too. Maybe I will pray for forgiveness of my sins. Aren't we all sinners in real life? But now my name is Ethel, a mostly pure woman.

God will not be able to find evils with only prayers, thats absurd. I do encourage God to try- the Almighty knowing all seer of the future to win us this game.

There are many players, and many prayers. I doubt in the ability to count. True, yes?
Forgiveness seems mostly useful 4 those whose actions don't want to be seen. I don't c a huge benefit 2 using it when thou consider the cost of a charge from god.

[M-FM Gertrude Banks]

Oh great Lord of the Sun, could you please provide us with a link to the setup in your beginning post.
Yes, please!!

I say we pressure a player I saw on a few minutes ago who didn't even pop in for a RVS:
M-FM Mary Hughes, I encourage others to be joining in on this.
This seems as good a place to start as any.
M-FM Bertha Anderson
Now to go read more of the set-up.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

if I may repeat what I previously asked, what are your thoughts on setup so far if you took any peeks at it. If you were scum which prayer would you ask for tonight perhaps?

I haven't thought about this question (not much at least, I'm inclined to pray for forgiveness before setup reading). Now that I have, and assuming I was scum, I would pray for either blessing, strength, or protection. I wish not to discuss why I would consider the first two, however, I think many players will pray for protection.

Now I have to figure out whether or not people should or should not "no-pray".

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Yes, please!!

This seems as good a place to start as any.
M-FM Bertha Anderson
Now to go read more of the set-up.
Fancy that, want to add anything to the current discussion of the setup we have been analyzing recently? How about answering this question: If you were scum what prayer would you find most useful?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I haven't thought about this question (not much at least, I'm inclined to pray for forgiveness before setup reading). Now that I have, and assuming I was scum, I would pray for either blessing, strength, or protection. I wish not to discuss why I would consider the first two, however, I think many players will pray for protection.

Now I have to figure out whether or not people should or should not "no-pray".
Scum are probably more likely to no prayer to not attract attention, that isn't to say they won't ever pray. But I don't think they will pray as much as a town player will. They may attempt it once or twice in game, but this is simply my theory. Praying in of itself isn't scummy, but it is kind of a trail to actions and events that took place.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Of course the obvious problem is determining who would determine which players pray what.

I see five main methods.

1: We vote for a player to choose this using a different color tag and name for easy searching such as
-D1Leader name here
-D2Leader name here
etc.


2: We get someone to record a video of themself using a rng generator and it choosing a number. I believe that this is within rules since videos are allowed and it wouldn't be linking to any outside websites.

3:We do the above with a rng generator for each persons prayer; although I do not think this is really pratical given the video size neeeded.

4.We each do our own rng generator and/or (just) say what we will pray during the day.

5.We find an algorithm/equation that we all agree to abide by that would automatically determine each persons prayer for each night that has a fair degree of *randomtivity* to it for our purposes*
For example on d1 we each use our number.
Then d2 we all use our number +50
D3=number+100

Then we plug those numbers into the algorithm.
We could even select a player say out this list near day end or start and then another to validate that what they said was correct. Each player would also have the ability to check for themselves using a simple online calculator.


I personally like number 5 best since it should have the least amount of player manipulation involved.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Mr Robinson that requires every player perform no action for the first night. Which might be beneficial to town because any person who didn't at least attempt to perform a prayer would likely be outted, I am not as sure about if we can coordinate such a feat. Though I definitely like the idea.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

I haven't thought about this question (not much at least, I'm inclined to pray for forgiveness before setup reading). Now that I have, and assuming I was scum, I would pray for either blessing, strength, or protection. I wish not to discuss why I would consider the first two, however, I think many players will pray for protection.

Now I have to figure out whether or not people should or should not "no-pray".

Re-reviewing the setup, I am lead to imagine praying for protection somewhat of a horrific town move.
Prayer is the last in the night OoOs, which means a town player fearing for their life that night cannot be saved by God. There may be a way for God to safely co-ordinate town actions to prevent these situations in this setup but I have not devised a way to do so.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Re-reviewing the setup, I am lead to imagine praying for protection somewhat of a horrific town move.
Prayer is the last in the night OoOs, which means a town player fearing for their life that night cannot be saved by God. There may be a way for God to safely co-ordinate town actions to prevent these situations in this setup but I have not devised a way to do so.
Protection is a delayed action as is the Roleblock. Both I find not as useful, but Roleblock is likely more anti town than the protection one.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Scum are probably more likely to no prayer to not attract attention, that isn't to say they won't ever pray. But I don't think they will pray as much as a town player will. They may attempt it once or twice in game, but this is simply my theory. Praying in of itself isn't scummy, but it is kind of a trail to actions and events that took place.

If we assume no gambits, most of town prayers will be protection/roleblock. Scum prayers will be the same, however, they will pray even less since I feel they will want to use their night actions. Knowing this, we can re-think that scum prayers will be gambits and special.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Of course the obvious problem is determining who would determine which players pray what.

I see five main methods.

1: We vote for a player to choose this using a different color tag and name for easy searching such as
-D1Leader name here
-D2Leader name here
etc.


2: We get someone to record a video of themself using a rng generator and it choosing a number. I believe that this is within rules since videos are allowed and it wouldn't be linking to any outside websites.

3:We do the above with a rng generator for each persons prayer; although I do not think this is really pratical given the video size neeeded.

4.We each do our own rng generator and/or (just) say what we will pray during the day.

5.We find an algorithm/equation that we all agree to abide by that would automatically determine each persons prayer for each night that has a fair degree of *randomtivity* to it for our purposes*
For example on d1 we each use our number.
Then d2 we all use our number +50
D3=number+100

Then we plug those numbers into the algorithm.
We could even select a player say out this list near day end or start and then another to validate that what they said was correct. Each player would also have the ability to check for themselves using a simple online calculator.


I personally like number 5 best since it should have the least amount of player manipulation involved.

When I first read this I thought of the negative possible consequences for following this plan, of a potential use of scum to disable the town from performing any other actions while they do their actions, but the more I have thought about it, it comes from a strong town mind set, Fred Robinson is definitely a strong town read right now. If no one can see the motivation from him from this, I don't know what else a player would need.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

If we assume no gambits, most of town prayers will be protection/roleblock. Scum prayers will be the same, however, they will pray even less since I feel they will want to use their night actions. Knowing this, we can re-think that scum prayers will be gambits and special.
I just want to point out, that if we attempt to enact a plan, a town should and NEVER should. Play a gambit. That will be seen as scrote regardless. I dae not want someone doing some heavily anti town move and going back and calling it some WIFOM gambit play. I will be the first to push a lynch down their throat.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Mr Robinson that requires every player perform no action for the first night. Which might be beneficial to town because any person who didn't at least attempt to perform a prayer would likely be outted, I am not as sure about if we can coordinate such a feat. Though I definitely like the idea.

Ahh. I believe given that town starts with 13 players.
2 of which are the equivalent of unkillable.
God would already know Jesus and could easily determine his number by the second day of prayers.
God wouldn't have a number since he doesn't pray to himself.

Out of unknowns
we would have 11town prayers mixed in with 4sinners(who can pray) and 3 players who cannot ever pray(atheist, antichrist, and apostate of satan).

It's even possible that we could determine all 3 non-prayer capable roles at the beginning of d2 if we are extremely lucky.

I believe if we can get all town to go along with this. We are pratically guaranteed a win since the scum would be unable to do anything or if they did they would be outed as scum within 2 days.

@Bertha Anderson
I know that roleblocking is something they creates problems. However even with that there will either be a common theme of a player being roleblocked and another player not praying(creating a dichotomy either by mechanics or by 2 players claiming different positions). I also do not believe that roleblocking unless it is in masse and manages to hit 3or more town could cause a big enough change in the praying routines to cause this strategy to end up causing town to no longer having the ,probably ,guaranteed win by following it.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Of course the obvious problem is determining who would determine which players pray what.

I see five main methods.

1: We vote for a player to choose this using a different color tag and name for easy searching such as
-D1Leader name here
-D2Leader name here
etc.


2: We get someone to record a video of themself using a rng generator and it choosing a number. I believe that this is within rules since videos are allowed and it wouldn't be linking to any outside websites.

3:We do the above with a rng generator for each persons prayer; although I do not think this is really pratical given the video size neeeded.

4.We each do our own rng generator and/or (just) say what we will pray during the day.

5.We find an algorithm/equation that we all agree to abide by that would automatically determine each persons prayer for each night that has a fair degree of *randomtivity* to it for our purposes*
For example on d1 we each use our number.
Then d2 we all use our number +50
D3=number+100

Then we plug those numbers into the algorithm.
We could even select a player say out this list near day end or start and then another to validate that what they said was correct. Each player would also have the ability to check for themselves using a simple online calculator.


I personally like number 5 best since it should have the least amount of player manipulation involved.

While I am currently in support of this plan, I will not agree to it just yet. Currently I am reviewing the setup once more, particularly for those who can/cannot sin. Since the bus driver visits himself everynight, any bus driver is always sinful.

So
1. bus driver is always sinful
2. Atheists cannot pray
3. Antichrists cannot pray

Thus doesn't it seem like everyone should pray?

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Yes, please!!

This seems as good a place to start as any.
M-FM Bertha Anderson
Now to go read more of the set-up.

Also, I find this vote incredibly scummy.
M-FM Gertrude Banks

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If anyone can point out a flaw large enough in this plan,for this to not win town the game in almost all if not all scenarios ,given all that I have stated please say so.

Otherwise I believe we should follow it.

I request that everyone express their willingness or unwillingness to follow it.
As well as the reason why especially if you are unwilling.

If you are unwilling and cannot show how this does not guarantee or almost not guarantee townt he game, I see no reason to read you as anything other than scum who's trying to obstruct a guaranteed win from town.


@Ethel, to pray means you also forsake your night action which also includes factional kill I'm assuming.

Also where are you seeing that the busdriver is always sinful?
There is no yellow(sinful) text in his role. And I fail to see how when him praying and visiting himself causing problems.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

@Fred Robinson Forgive me for I have overlooked this.

Until someone convinces me otherwise, the plan of everyone praying and night actions is what everybody should do.
Still would like to hear others' inputs

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Also, I find this vote incredibly scummy.
M-FM Gertrude Banks
I always consider voting an active player better than say voting a player not even here better. It creates more discussion and gets reactions, so I would consider the vote more town. But if that is all they do and won't explain it later its just a post to get attention. I would prefer a train on Mary right now considering they were here earlier and didn't comment.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Ahh. I believe given that town starts with 13 players.
2 of which are the equivalent of unkillable.
God would already know Jesus and could easily determine his number by the second day of prayers.
God wouldn't have a number since he doesn't pray to himself.

Out of unknowns
we would have 11town prayers mixed in with 4sinners(who can pray) and 3 players who cannot ever pray(atheist, antichrist, and apostate of satan).

It's even possible that we could determine all 3 non-prayer capable roles at the beginning of d2 if we are extremely lucky.

I believe if we can get all town to go along with this. We are pratically guaranteed a win since the scum would be unable to do anything or if they did they would be outed as scum within 2 days.

@Bertha Anderson
I know that roleblocking is something they creates problems. However even with that there will either be a common theme of a player being roleblocked and another player not praying(creating a dichotomy either by mechanics or by 2 players claiming different positions). I also do not believe that roleblocking unless it is in masse and manages to hit 3or more town could cause a big enough change in the praying routines to cause this strategy to end up causing town to no longer having the ,probably ,guaranteed win by following it.
I really do not think a player should pray for a roleblock, or use it if they got the wish.
Can a player pray for a roleblock and then not perform it the next night? And does the roleblock count as their action for the night or could they perform another?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Are many people having trouble with their accounts? I just saw Joseph Johnson on here and then immediately a minute later he has gone to pub or something.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

After re-reading all the roles.

The only evil roles that I can see which do not directly change faction-allignment and will cause a player to be sinful who's not scum.

Is the prostitute's roleblock ability.
And potentially the antichrist can cause a player to not pray or pray improperly for 1night.
However even with both of these in mind. It shouldn't be enough especially when considered that the prostitute cannot roleblock and pray, and then must also pray forgiveness before praying any other prayer she is assigned(this should out her very quickly if she didn't claim; and if she did claim escort we could lynch her for not following the plan and therefore being pro-scum; if she claimed roleblocked and prayed we also can determine whether she is or not based on the amount of people who prayed and whether there was a kill or ).

And I fail to see how the antichrist can make us do more than 1 mislynch by using his ability repeatedly.




Vote will only be counted at days end and miday, lynching the person if that has 51% of the votes on him.
Does this statement mean that lynches are not forced?
If lynches are not forced we can merely let this plan play out till we have enough info to get guaranteed to high-probability lynches off on the scum.
I suspect we can probably either be getting high-probability if not guaranteed off by the beginning of d4 or earlier if the prime sinner decided to risk killing each night or something like that.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I really do not think a player should pray for a roleblock, or use it if they got the wish.
Can a player pray for a roleblock and then not perform it the next night? And does the roleblock count as their action for the night or could they perform another?

You're assuming god would answer the prayer.
God just cannot answer it and therefore the player wouldn't gain the ability to perform it. I fail to see a reason for god to answer this if performing this strategy aswell.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

You're assuming god would answer the prayer.
God just cannot answer it and therefore the player wouldn't gain the ability to perform it. I fail to see a reason for god to answer this if performing this strategy aswell.

Following this plan, God should only ever answer the following prayers:

Forgiveness
Protection

All other prayers are detrimental to the plan. Perhaps god should also never answer forgiveness unless we figure out there's a prostitute lurking among us.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Later On I will compile all my posts relating to this plan into one larger post for ease of access. However I would like to flesh it out more and cover more points that player's address before I do so. I will also post this in my lw.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

You're assuming god would answer the prayer.
God just cannot answer it and therefore the player wouldn't gain the ability to perform it. I fail to see a reason for god to answer this if performing this strategy aswell.

I would still like to know, just because the action is anti town, doesn't mean god won't answer those prayers.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I would still like to know, just because the action is anti town, doesn't mean god won't answer those prayers.

To God if you do this.

If we agree to follow the plan and you answer strength blessing or willpower.
You are pro-scum.

More information about mechanics the better regardless though.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I will be getting off for a few hours, I support this current plan. I also encourage more players to vote Mary Hughes to get them talking, I know they were here earlier.

Catch you chaps in a while.

[M-FM Gertrude Banks]

Also, I find this vote incredibly scummy.
M-FM Gertrude Banks

And what exactly is "incredibly scummy" about it?

[M-FM Gertrude Banks]

Fancy that, want to add anything to the current discussion of the setup we have been analyzing recently? How about answering this question: If you were scum what prayer would you find most useful?

I have no idea and don't really care to be honest. Is there a point to this question?

[M-FM William Reed]

ok sorry

this setup is incredibly complicated as I can see it. well I didn't completly analysed the setup yet.

I'm a new player in SC2 , I am a MS player. nice to meet you all!

I will be here posting in about 4/5 hours from now :)

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If so, God needs to be very wary of answering forgiveness prayers, but at the same time this would allow us to potentially narrow down scum easier.

For example if we named certain people were supposed to pray forgiveness and no one else, this could potentially be used to force a no-kill or scum reveal on the prime sinner's kill ability if tested for multiple nights in a row. However in such a case, god should not answer these prayers. This combined with the numbers of other prayers that should be prayed can be used to artificially root out scum who made a night action or the Atheists and Antichrist factions that Cannot pray if used over multiple nights.

Perhaps it would be best to follow this strategy over the first few days.
If we change out who prays what each day then we could certainly artificially determine a list of scummy people if god makes a sheet keeping track of each number to their prayers since I am currently unsure if god should should reveal each day to update this information.

Thank you Mr.Anderson for reminding me that there are charges of god's answer ability. I originally thought he had much more than 30.

Could someone clarify how god's disguise mechanic works?
Does that mean if he is shot, the player shot would flip as the disguiser players role, and god gets login info of the disguised players account and begins using that?


Although even if a nonsinful person cannot, this provides us with other benefits such as people lieing about performing sinful actions and merely making it slightly more difficult although just as accurate to artifically determine the scum who have a record of not praying even if it's a single time and if they do pray that forces them to do no night action including the factional kill i'm assuming.

Either way it appears to be a win-win.


However, this is also at the cost of town choosing not to perform their night actions if they have them and praying(aka cooperation from most if not all town members if we want guaranteed scum lynches going off past a certain day) I also haven't ran the odds to determine the minimal and maximum day where this strategy can give us a guaranteed scum lynch, but I believe we could probably start lynching on high probability by at least d4.


Of course the obvious problem is determining who would determine which players pray what.

I see five main methods.

1: We vote for a player to choose this using a different color tag and name for easy searching such as
-D1Leader name here
-D2Leader name here
etc.


2: We get someone to record a video of themself using a rng generator and it choosing a number. I believe that this is within rules since videos are allowed and it wouldn't be linking to any outside websites.

3:We do the above with a rng generator for each persons prayer; although I do not think this is really pratical given the video size neeeded.

4.We each do our own rng generator and/or (just) say what we will pray during the day.

5.We find an algorithm/equation that we all agree to abide by that would automatically determine each persons prayer for each night that has a fair degree of *randomtivity* to it for our purposes*
For example on d1 we each use our number.
Then d2 we all use our number +50
D3=number+100

Then we plug those numbers into the algorithm.
We could even select a player say out this list near day end or start and then another to validate that what they said was correct. Each player would also have the ability to check for themselves using a simple online calculator.


I personally like number 5 best since it should have the least amount of player manipulation involved.


Ahh. I believe given that town starts with 13 players.
2 of which are the equivalent of unkillable.
God would already know Jesus and could easily determine his number by the second day of prayers.
God wouldn't have a number since he doesn't pray to himself.

Out of unknowns
we would have 11town prayers mixed in with 4sinners(who can pray) and 3 players who cannot ever pray(atheist, antichrist, and apostate of satan).

It's even possible that we could determine all 3 non-prayer capable roles at the beginning of d2 if we are extremely lucky.

I believe if we can get all town to go along with this. We are pratically guaranteed a win since the scum would be unable to do anything or if they did they would be outed as scum within 2 days.

@Bertha Anderson
I know that roleblocking is something they creates problems. However even with that there will either be a common theme of a player being roleblocked and another player not praying(creating a dichotomy either by mechanics or by 2 players claiming different positions). I also do not believe that roleblocking unless it is in masse and manages to hit 3or more town could cause a big enough change in the praying routines to cause this strategy to end up causing town to no longer having the ,probably ,guaranteed win by following it.


If anyone can point out a flaw large enough in this plan,for this to not win town the game in almost all if not all scenarios ,given all that I have stated please say so.

Otherwise I believe we should follow it.

I request that everyone express their willingness or unwillingness to follow it.
As well as the reason why especially if you are unwilling.

If you are unwilling and cannot show how this does not guarantee or almost not guarantee townt he game, I see no reason to read you as anything other than scum who's trying to obstruct a guaranteed win from town.


@Ethel, to pray means you also forsake your night action which also includes factional kill I'm assuming.

Also where are you seeing that the busdriver is always sinful?
There is no yellow(sinful) text in his role. And I fail to see how when him praying and visiting himself causing problems.


After re-reading all the roles.

The only evil roles that I can see which do not directly change faction-allignment and will cause a player to be sinful who's not scum.

Is the prostitute's roleblock ability.
And potentially the antichrist can cause a player to not pray or pray improperly for 1night.
However even with both of these in mind. It shouldn't be enough especially when considered that the prostitute cannot roleblock and pray, and then must also pray forgiveness before praying any other prayer she is assigned(this should out her very quickly if she didn't claim; and if she did claim escort we could lynch her for not following the plan and therefore being pro-scum; if she claimed roleblocked and prayed we also can determine whether she is or not based on the amount of people who prayed and whether there was a kill or ).

And I fail to see how the antichrist can make us do more than 1 mislynch by using his ability repeatedly.



Does this statement mean that lynches are not forced?
If lynches are not forced we can merely let this plan play out till we have enough info to get guaranteed to high-probability lynches off on the scum.
I suspect we can probably either be getting high-probability if not guaranteed off by the beginning of d4 or earlier if the prime sinner decided to risk killing each night or something like that.


You're assuming god would answer the prayer.
God just cannot answer it and therefore the player wouldn't gain the ability to perform it. I fail to see a reason for god to answer this if performing this strategy aswell.


Following this plan, God should only ever answer the following prayers:

Forgiveness
Protection

All other prayers are detrimental to the plan. Perhaps god should also never answer forgiveness unless we figure out there's a prostitute lurking among us.


Later On I will compile all my posts relating to this plan into one larger post for ease of access. However I would like to flesh it out more and cover more points that player's address before I do so. I will also post this in my lw.

Compilation of My Current Plan
If anyone can point out a flaw large enough in this plan,for this to not win town the game in almost all if not all scenarios ,given all that I have stated please say so.
Otherwise I believe we should follow it.

I request that everyone express their willingness or unwillingness to follow it.
As well as the reason why especially if you are unwilling.

If you are unwilling and cannot show how this does not guarantee or almost not guarantee townt he game, I see no reason to read you as anything other than scum who's trying to obstruct a guaranteed win from town.


I'm going to be off for a few hours hence why I am already making a compilation.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I have no idea and don't really care to be honest. Is there a point to this question?

Actually there is, because it provides insight into your thinking pattern. You not answering it is interesting. Not quite so sure if scummy to be frank or just lazy townish behavior.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

ok sorry

this setup is incredibly complicated as I can see it. well I didn't completly analysed the setup yet.

I'm a new player in SC2 , I am a MS player. nice to meet you all!

I will be here posting in about 4/5 hours from now :)
Hello ol' chap. Nice to have you on this fine site playing with us! We could sure use your own experience to see things from a different angle. I am not as experienced with MS play, and I believe we have a few here. Always interesting to see other styles of play.

I just have a few questions for you when you get back:
What do you think of Mr Robinson plan? (of course assuming you gave the setup a good glance0
How do you feel about the players currently? (Ethan, me, and Robinson are the ones most fairly active)
If you were scum and going to pray tonight, which prayer would you think is most beneficial to your win condition?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Compilation of My Current Plan
If anyone can point out a flaw large enough in this plan,for this to not win town the game in almost all if not all scenarios ,given all that I have stated please say so.
Otherwise I believe we should follow it.

I request that everyone express their willingness or unwillingness to follow it.
As well as the reason why especially if you are unwilling.

If you are unwilling and cannot show how this does not guarantee or almost not guarantee townt he game, I see no reason to read you as anything other than scum who's trying to obstruct a guaranteed win from town.


I'm going to be off for a few hours hence why I am already making a compilation.
I reckon that most would be willing to go forward with this plan, but this only concerns the night sequence of the game currently. We should still be scumhunting beyond just planning for nights. Unless you believe this should be a no lynch day. I reiterate that we should get a wagon going on Mary or some player to help us get out of RVS, and beyond just theory spec.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Sad that the game isn't more active, perhaps bad start time with it being a friday and all. Might as well log the vote count.

VC 1-0
M-FM Mary Hughes (1): M-FM Bertha Anderson
M-FM Gertrude Banks (1): M-FM Ethel McAllister
M-FM Joseph Johnson (1): M-FM Fred Robinson
M-FM Bertha Anderson (1): M-FM Gertrude Banks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4aDKsX-TU

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I believe we should not be talking about what prayers God will answer. Unless our God is not all known praise the Almighty bow down and respect him God. He should be able to figure out who is needing what sorts of blessings.

I see nothing wrong with the forgiveness prayer. True, the protection prayer has it's uses but the forgiveness prayer is good too. Maybe I will pray for forgiveness of my sins. Aren't we all sinners in real life? But now my name is Ethel, a mostly pure woman.

God will not be able to find evils with only prayers, thats absurd. I do encourage God to try- the Almighty knowing all seer of the future to win us this game.
There are many players, and many prayers. I doubt in the ability to count. True, yes?
Let Me Say a Few Things.

First- This guy is saying we shouldn't help God decide which prayers are bad. We have no knowledge of how good nor bad of a player god is. It is a role, not a real god and we're not rping it as such.

Second-For someone to need to pray forgiveness they must have sinned; following my plan only if a person was rbed or is scum or potentially when one was controlled by Antichrist would they have sinned.

Third-Do you not understand how Process of Elimination works?
God gets a list of all players and their prayers.
By default this list is just numbers with no names.
By telling people to pray different prayers each night, we can determine who is or is not praying and/or praying wrongly.

For example I'm going to do a simple 6 person one as an example and excluding God in the list as a matter of making things easy. Also if scum did decide to pray everything right; they would forsake a night action every time and they NEED at those night actions to win against the other and town and if we lynched the non-prayer-capable scum before than can kill a single towny or jsut a few, they will also most likely lose.


There are players: A, B, C, D, E, F

These are the orders given.
A=forgive
B=protect
C=willpower
D=forgive
E=protect
F=willpower

D1 Prayers Recieved.
1=forgive
2=forgive
3=None
4=None
5=Protection
6=willpower

Therefore. We can be fairly confident players A and D so far are following through. If another scum prayed their prayer for them so they could do a night action without suspicion we would know since they would not fulfill the prayer that they were supposed to.
We know that either players C or F and players B or E failed to follow through and therefore are scum assuming that don't claim roleblock(I cover why roleblocking doesn't foil this plan earlier)
Notice my choice of the words OR and AND carefully.


D2orders
A=protection
B=Protection
C=willpower
D=forgive
E=Forgive
F=Forgive

D2Prayers recieved
1=Protection
2=Willpower
3=Forgive
4=None
5=Forgive
6=Protection

We know that A has fulfilled his prayer.
We know that B fulfilled his prayer.
We know that C has also fulfilled his prayer.
We know that two out of D,E,and F satisfied their prayers but one did not.
We know that there is a scum who either cannot or is choosing not to play(4)
Earlier we noticed a dichotomy between c or f and then b or e.
Therefore following the trichotomy and dichotomy we can determine that player F is scum who is either choosing not to or cannot pray.
Unfortunately, We still cannot determine whether B or E is scum since they both prayed today.

(God Reveals this information; he get's lynched d2|God can't die yet so it's fine and if scum uses faction kill that they hadn't been before the prime sinner becomes obvious in the prayer list very quickly especially after the second shot on god||alternatively god can wait till he knows enough scum that would auto-win town the game after he reveals.



Now before anyone says anything about this. I know its a small sample. I also didn't include all 5 prayers since i decreased the amount of people and the same logic applies the same and perhaps even better with more people because more ___-chotomies to cross-reference.

I made have made a mistake on that sample since I didn't do this like a spreadsheet like I should with the actual game.
This is a sample and it's hard to do this without a spreadsheet to cross-reference values between lists and such.
Which I don't feel like posting into here.

Basically it works this way.

We find out that there is a pentachotomy where 3 prayed and 2 didn't. We don't know which names coorespond to nubmers yet.
By countinuing this we find other overlaps of dichotomys, trichotomies,etc.
Till we find one with either high-probability if we are rushing it or through guaranteed if we don't want any risks.
The Atheists and Antichrist factions are basically guaranteed to get destroyed this way and if the sinners can't just pray forever since they HAVE to shoot God and Jesus multiple times since those 2 confirm each other and revive as well as part of the Sinners win condition beign sinful meaning at some point they have to not-pray.


And Yes I do expect Town to Read through my compilation since it should be a guaranteed win or near-guaranteed win for town to follow that strategy.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Let Me Say a Few Things.

Second-For someone to need to pray forgiveness they must have sinned; following my plan only if a person was rbed or is scum or potentially when one was controlled by Antichrist would they have sinned.Clarification at this point when i use need I meant that is the only prayer that they can pray and they would have to pray it before any other prayer first.


clarification

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

clarification

Pray to Him: At night, instead of performing an action you may pray for any of the following things, unless you are "sinful"

Forgiveness: You are no longer marked as "sinful" (the only prayer a sinful can pray for)

Willpower: Replenish 1 charge of an action you have

Protection: You can not die the following night

Found it. Sorry I'm just tired today. Hey it gave you some clarifying points to write about! I'll be testing this later on to see it happen or not with more people. Not today though.

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

I haven't read the plan nor do I intend to. I'm sure if there's a flaw with it, someone will find it, if not lets do it.

Let's get this party started shall we?

M-FM William Reed

For COM soft claiming already

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

And when I say I don't intend to read the plan; tell me what I pray for and its done my boy

[M-FM Roy Larkins]

ok sorry

this setup is incredibly complicated as I can see it. well I didn't completly analysed the setup yet.

I'm a new player in SC2 , I am a MS player. nice to meet you all!

I will be here posting in about 4/5 hours from now :)

Nobody touch this.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

The game begins. Let us start this evening with a vote to kick this games RVS orf.
M-FM Florence Palmer

Fuck you. I hardclaim God.

M-FM Bertha Anderson

[M-FM Harry Smith]

Ello ol chaps I must say that Robinson's plan is quite rocker if I must say so me-self and I can't be seein any flaws in it so I say we all go alongin with it.

On a differin note i must say that this is my first M-FM and me-self is still gettin the used to this longer setup analysing and wot not.
Any case chaps ima be makin me-self a cuppa and leavin my vote on M-FM Florence Palmer cause I don't like the randomin OMGUS vote as soon as the gal entered the room chaps.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Ello ol chaps I must say that Robinson's plan is quite rocker if I must say so me-self and I can't be seein any flaws in it so I say we all go alongin with it.

On a differin note i must say that this is my first M-FM and me-self is still gettin the used to this longer setup analysing and wot not.
Any case chaps ima be makin me-self a cuppa and leavin my vote on M-FM Florence Palmer cause I don't like the randomin OMGUS vote as soon as the gal entered the room chaps.

Are you counterclaiming me?

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

i am town :toadette::facepalm::darkness::calix::fb::laugh:

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

i am town :toadette::facepalm::darkness::calix::fb::laugh:

:toadette::facepalm::darkness::calix::fb::laugh:

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

As your God,

I will not discuss sins, prayers, my son Jesus, or any strategies relating to my role. I will read all strategies you may suggest and take it to considerations, but I will act everything out of my own will.

I will smite all who oppose me and my people! By the end of this M-FM, we shall emerge victorious! This is my promise to my people!

[M-FM Harry Smith]

No ol gal I am not counterclaiminh you however I thought you was not being serious about your claimin so I will unvote

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

No ol gal I am not counterclaiminh you however I thought you was not being serious about your claimin so I will unvote

Smart choice

[M-FM William Reed]

Hello ol' chap. Nice to have you on this fine site playing with us! We could sure use your own experience to see things from a different angle. I am not as experienced with MS play, and I believe we have a few here. Always interesting to see other styles of play.

I just have a few questions for you when you get back:
What do you think of Mr Robinson plan? (of course assuming you gave the setup a good glance0
How do you feel about the players currently? (Ethan, me, and Robinson are the ones most fairly active)
If you were scum and going to pray tonight, which prayer would you think is most beneficial to your win condition?

sure I will answer all these questions in my next series of posts

[M-FM William Reed]

I haven't read the plan nor do I intend to. I'm sure if there's a flaw with it, someone will find it, if not lets do it.

Let's get this party started shall we?

M-FM William Reed

For COM soft claiming already

oO

ehem what?

whats a COM softclaim ? and what the hell is that why is that vote worthy?

[M-FM William Reed]

Fuck you. I hardclaim God.

M-FM Bertha Anderson

I hope there is good reason for that claim that I didn't noticed last time I skimmed setup becuase I am sure I saw that there was a very fast scum win situation which needed only you and Jesus kill. and Jesus is an IC , so wtf was your reason to claim such a thing ?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

oO

ehem what?

whats a COM softclaim ? and what the hell is that why is that vote worthy?

COM stands 4 Council of Mages, olde term from when the game was back on WC3 I believe. It basically means y'r on site profile. If yeh were flumoxed on y we use these alternate accounts its 4 the purpose of avoiding using meta to read players. If a players identity is known players r more likely to use that to read em. Of course everyone tries to decipher players COMs anyroad.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Fuck you. I hardclaim God.

M-FM Bertha Anderson
This is in no way necessary, if it is serious, even with your posts so far I can't even bother taking it serious. Why are you so interested in getting attention?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

As your God,

I will not discuss sins, prayers, my son Jesus, or any strategies relating to my role. I will read all strategies you may suggest and take it to considerations, but I will act everything out of my own will.

I will smite all who oppose me and my people! By the end of this M-FM, we shall emerge victorious! This is my promise to my people!
I sincerely hope you are not what you claim you are after this post. Not that I was happy with your original claim, but this annoys me. I am already not enjoying this game.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

No ol gal I am not counterclaiminh you however I thought you was not being serious about your claimin so I will unvote
You seriously consider this person being serious still? Just after doing it in big letters?
This is ridiculous.

[M-FM William Reed]

reading the setup again oh well I will post whatever question I have about it. I just want to have a good grasp at all of the aspects of the setup , I'm not soft claiming anything.

1 - god receives the entire player list without their names. the order of this list stay static or changes each night?
2 - so we won't have any god anymore if there is no not sinful Christian ?
3 - both roleblock attempt and the roleblocked person will be sinful ?
4 - Sinners can pray (maybe for forgiveness only)? nothing is specified in their role pms. if yes , and if god answers that prayer what will happen?
6 - not sinful people can pray for forgiveness? what will happen if god answers that prayer?
7 - Glutton can take half of the god prayer answer charges as well?

ok now the plan seems ridiculously stupid. scum has 3 roles that can mess with the god without killing him ... (Glutton , Politician , Bum)

8 - if a god dies , the new god will receive the last night prayer feedback and sin numbers?
9 - god knows which number is him ? what about jesus?
10 - if an Antichrist die but his wincon (both god and jesus being dead) fulfills , game ends ?

in the sample massage of prayer result sinful people are like this :
Pray-o-meter:
1. Strength
2. Sinful
3. Forgivness
4. Strength
5. Willpower
6. Sinful
7. Protection
8. Protection
9. Sinful
10.
11. <--- You
12.
13.
14.
15. Sinful
16. Sinful
17. Name: Noctiz Role: Escort
18.
19. Blessing
20.

it confused me as hell. how someone prayed for forgiveness. god can see the sinful people in his lists? if someone is sinful and praying for forgiveness god can recognise it?

[M-FM William Reed]

COM stands 4 Council of Mages, olde term from when the game was back on WC3 I believe. It basically means y'r on site profile. If yeh were flumoxed on y we use these alternate accounts its 4 the purpose of avoiding using meta to read players. If a players identity is known players r more likely to use that to read em. Of course everyone tries to decipher players COMs anyroad.

what meta!? 90% of these player lists never saw me before.

and I had no idea about that ... just was trying to greet

[M-FM Harry Smith]

You seriously consider this person being serious still? Just after doing it in big letters?
This is ridiculous.

i feel that on the off chance the ol gal is the lord then votin her mightn be a mistake ol chap and i be seein that it if the ol gal is tryin to be usin the wifom to deter people would be en stupid idea as the lord above can not be grounded by the evil ones old chap so i just contradicted me-self so i see where your gettin at from that unneeded bold post,ol chap
Florence Palmer

[M-FM William Reed]

things I learnt from reading setup :

1 - claiming to be god is absurd and stupid. there are so many negative things about that without no gain.
maybe that god claim which recently happened was a try to get a CC on god to corner that role for the rest of the game?

FOS on Florence

2 - we need to get rid of Antichrist as soon as possible. the fact that there is a cult out there as well is horribly terrifying. the only hope for town is to use all the power they have not waste praying.

3 - god needs to save his answer shots. there is a role which can psyphon gods shots. god needs to make sure there is at least one unsinful town out there to carry his role after his death. that must be gods first proiority

4 - mass claiming in this setup is just means the end of the town. scum has too many varied ways to fuck that and control the town based on that.

5 - I can't see the point of choosing the pool and forcing people to pray. some town power roles can't stop their actual job and waste their powers to just pray.

[M-FM William Reed]

if god receives the list in a random order each night that whole theory is completly pointless...

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

what meta!? 90% of these player lists never saw me before.

and I had no idea about that ... just was trying to greet

Many of these ol chaps have played together tho, and many people have played with each other. I would like to point out to the gentlemen who pointed out your post that would normally be considered COM hunting. Slightly against the rules.

Though it begs the question of why we can COM claim but players can't COM hunt. Weird tidbit there.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

things I learnt from reading setup :

1 - claiming to be god is absurd and stupid. there are so many negative things about that without no gain.
maybe that god claim which recently happened was a try to get a CC on god to corner that role for the rest of the game?

FOS on Florence

Claiming god is extremely anti town, and highly unlikely be he the real god. If he is god, you can consider this game already lost. In which case we can pack our bags and head of to the ol' tavern for a pint.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

if god receives the list in a random order each night that whole theory is completly pointless...
Hmmm.

The order of the numbers does not shift, right?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Thanks love for the contributions so far. I got a good feeling that you are town in this game so far. With Robinson that makes two strong town. Doing better with town hunting at the moment then scumhunting, guessing scum don't have the nerve to come in here and post. Limey bastards.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Vote Count 1-1
M-FM Mary Hughes (1): M-FM Bertha Anderson
M-FM Gertrude Banks (1): M-FM Ethel McAllister
M-FM Joseph Johnson (1): M-FM Fred Robinson
M-FM Bertha Anderson (2): M-FM Gertrude Banks, M-FM Florence Palmer
M-FM William Reed (1): M-FM Edward O'Connor


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ_1HMAGb4k

[M-FM Mary Hughes]

At work dearie. Haven't the time to post something in depth. I like the proposed plan on the assumption that Gods list isn't randomized each time.
I haven't seen that question be asked so here it iS
is gods list randomized each time he receives it?

[M-FM Mary Hughes]

For hosts:
I had a spot of trouble posting the other night. Site told me I didn't have the necessary permissions to be posting.

[M-FM Mary Hughes]

I'm off mate, Toddle-bye

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

At work dearie. Haven't the time to post something in depth. I like the proposed plan on the assumption that Gods list isn't randomized each time.
I haven't seen that question be asked so here it iS
is gods list randomized each time he receives it?

No questions have been answered so far and I have seen the hosts on, also I already asked this question a few posts ago, but you put it more bluntly than I did.

What are your thoughts on the players so far?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

For hosts:
I had a spot of trouble posting the other night. Site told me I didn't have the necessary permissions to be posting.

I thought there might be a problem. Do we need to put a hold on the game? You are not the first to relay problems with accessing account....not to mention I have seen about 2-3 other players who signed on looked at thread and didn't post.

[M-FM William Reed]

Sinners can pray (maybe for forgiveness only)? nothing is specified in their role pms. if yes , and if god answers that prayer what will happen?

not sinful people can pray for forgiveness? what will happen if god answers that prayer?

if a god dies , the new god will receive the last night prayer feedback and sin numbers?

if an Antichrist die but his wincon (both god and jesus being dead) fulfills , game ends ?

I think those questions still worth answering as well

[M-FM Harry Smith]

Shit
M-FM Florence Palmer

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

oO

ehem what?

whats a COM softclaim ? and what the hell is that why is that vote worthy?

U mad u have a vote or w0t


I sincerely hope you are not what you claim you are after this post. Not that I was happy with your original claim, but this annoys me. I am already not enjoying this game.

Why are you raging so hard for something so simple? Overreaction much? That's a lot of righteous indignation there.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

I am checking in.

[Ra]

Hey guys! Main host here, sorry I wasn't available earlier.


Does this mean a non-sinful person could pray the forgiveness prayer?

Yes, wouldn't accomplish much however.



Could someone clarify how god's disguise mechanic works?
Does that mean if he is shot, the player shot would flip as the disguiser players role, and god gets login info of the disguised players account and begins using that?

Yes, after the player who is God gets shot, he receives a random non-sinful christians account info, and starts using that.


I really do not think a player should pray for a roleblock, or use it if they got the wish.
Can a player pray for a roleblock and then not perform it the next night? And does the roleblock count as their action for the night or could they perform another?

Yes.
Yes, they cannot perform an additional action with the rollback./B]



Does this statement mean that lynches are not forced?

Lynches are not forced.


Hmmm.

The order of the numbers does not shift, right?

The order of the numbers do not shift.


is gods list randomized each time he receives it?

Nope


Sinners can pray (maybe for forgiveness only)? nothing is specified in their role pms. if yes , and if god answers that prayer what will happen?

not sinful people can pray for forgiveness? what will happen if god answers that prayer?

if a god dies , the new god will receive the last night prayer feedback and sin numbers?

if an Antichrist die but his wincon (both god and jesus being dead) fulfills , game ends ?


Sinners can pray, normal things will happen with Sinners praying.
Yes, non sinful people can pray for forgiveness, however nothing will happen.
The account will be cleared, God will not know his previous role or anything.
No, the antichrist needs to be alive to win, unless the Apostate of Satan kills literally everyone else.


[B]PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT: COM hunting and COM claiming are both allowed. You will not be punished if you do either.

[M-FM William Reed]

U mad u have a vote or w0t



Why are you raging so hard for something so simple? Overreaction much? That's a lot of righteous indignation there.

If it wasn't obvious I didn't understood what you said back there. and I still think that incredibly awful vote , I don't care that it's on me.

[M-FM Lillian Brady]

Checking in. Im traveling today and tomorrow so i wont have much time to contribute.

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

If it wasn't obvious I didn't understood what you said back there. and I still think that incredibly awful vote , I don't care that it's on me.


oO

ehem what?

whats a COM softclaim ? and what the hell is that why is that vote worthy?

Seems like u cared quite a bit mate.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

I thought it would be ten plus pages after nine hours of game start.

Bertha likes to write strangely and provoke discussion. Considers the setup to only contain four to six town power roles.
Certainly the guy who appears to have read the setup. What's your inquiry good sir?

I expect Satan to do something stupid either today or tomorrow since it is a glorified Arsonist.

[M-FM William Reed]

Seems like u cared quite a bit mate.

I still ask

why is that vote worthy?not becuase Its on me.

but anyway as I said before the fact that its on me make it worst though becuase i have no meta in here and there was basically no point for claiming my Com account.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

Meta will cause players to make biased actions so I have zero intention of hunting for their identity. I'm against witch hunting of certain players and would like to discourage hunting in general.

Thank you.

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

I still ask

why is that vote worthy?not becuase Its on me.

but anyway as I said before the fact that its on me make it worst though becuase i have no meta in here and there was basically no point for claiming my Com account.

If you're from ms you should understand why I voted you but you seem too blinded by your worry of that vote

[M-FM William Reed]

Ok by the answers mod gave us we can't do a mass forgiveness stuff becuase scum can mess with that with their prayers.

but if all people pray then god can detect the culted people. thats the only use of it as I see.

oh and pray goes after all the other stuff so that might end bad for town somehow... hmm

but the fact that the numbers are static is definetly making god a very important informative role.

[M-FM William Reed]

If you're from ms you should understand why I voted you but you seem too blinded by your worry of that vote

I'm from MS and I can see why you voted me like a scum trying to frame people. I was just trying to see if things are different around here or not

but yeah ,

M-FM Edward O'Conner

I asked a direct question from you. your making it ridiculously complicated in a scummy way.

[M-FM William Reed]

why soft claiming the main account make someone scummy ?

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

And there's the OMGUS heheh

You act like you've never been voted in RVS. I wonder why.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

I think being from a foreign site is irrelevant and that he's simply being a jerk for not telling you more about his vote, it's as if he's keeping it parked until he can think of a legitimate reason. It's not a clear indicator on being scum, only a test of personality and aggro.

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

I think being from a foreign site is irrelevant and that he's simply being a jerk for not telling you more about his vote, it's as if he's keeping it parked until he can think of a legitimate reason. It's not a clear indicator on being scum, only a test of personality and aggro.

Sometimes withholding info is important when reaction testing. Don't be a noob.

[M-FM William Reed]

And there's the OMGUS heheh

You act like you've never been voted in RVS. I wonder why.

And I'm always saying in all my games that omgus is not scummy.

oh my god you suck!

I'm extremely over defensive and emotional. and I'm a very good scum hunter. oh is that another soft claiming?

still waiting for your answer

[M-FM William Reed]

Sometimes withholding info is important when reaction testing. Don't be a noob.

:D

is it alowed to COM claim? I want to show you my town meta to see how absurd is what you just said. YOU want to reaction test me! lol ...

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

Sometimes withholding info is important when reaction testing. Don't be a noob.

How do we know that you have information that you wish to keep away as opposed to not having information that you're making excuses to not share?
This is a basic case of WIFOM.

[M-FM William Reed]

I'm extremely aggressive , a freak in all means , emotional . and I don't care if your voting me first. If i think your acting scummy you get my vote.

its as simple as that

now you have a question to answer for

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

How do we know that you have information that you wish to keep away as opposed to not having information that you're making excuses to not share?
This is a basic case of WIFOM.

If he asks me why I'm voting him and I don't say why, I'm withholding my reasoning

It was RVS but I didn't want to say that. I'm just curious why a ms player is so bothered by an RVS vote when their site does RVS a lot more than this one so its a pretty common thing.

[M-FM William Reed]

If he asks me why I'm voting him and I don't say why, I'm withholding my reasoning

It was RVS but I didn't want to say that. I'm just curious why a ms player is so bothered by an RVS vote when their site does RVS a lot more than this one so its a pretty common thing.

I didn't ask you why your voting me

my question was different : why is that action you called vote worthy.

that wasn't RVS, we were 4 pages out of RVS with so many setup specs and theories. Don't make this look shittier.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

If he asks me why I'm voting him and I don't say why, I'm withholding my reasoning

It was RVS but I didn't want to say that. I'm just curious why a ms player is so bothered by an RVS vote when their site does RVS a lot more than this one so its a pretty common thing.

In other words, reaction testing to see what would happen.

Random voting can be beneficial as it have all sort of reactions, the reaction you were given were the aggressive kind and now we're going to have a page or more related to that revelation. I'm going to agree with that it's a strange reaction from RVS but it's a matter of play style and behavior of said player. Believe me, if it was this easy then the Jester would win immediately.

[M-FM William Reed]

why the action you called was vote worthy? *

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

William, if you would like to change your focus for a moment, what's your unabridged opinion about Bertha?

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

I didn't ask you why your voting me

my question was different : why is that action you called vote worthy.

that wasn't RVS, we were 4 pages out of RVS with so many setup specs and theories. Don't make this look shittier.

4 pages out of RVS? I made that vote on page 4, RVS only lasts 3 posts for you?

Setup spec =/= scum hunting so I have no idea why you'd even mention that.

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

In other words, reaction testing to see what would happen.

Random voting can be beneficial as it have all sort of reactions, the reaction you were given were the aggressive kind and now we're going to have a page or more related to that revelation. I'm going to agree with that it's a strange reaction from RVS but it's a matter of play style and behavior of said player. Believe me, if it was this easy then the Jester would win immediately.

You have a good reasonable head on your shoulders, I like that.

[M-FM William Reed]

4 pages out of RVS? I made that vote on page 4, RVS only lasts 3 posts for you?

Setup spec =/= scum hunting so I have no idea why you'd even mention that.

we weren't in RVS.

in MS we insta lynch whoever tries to stay or push back to RVS. yes we were in page 4 and we were 4 pages out of RVS. people were started talking about stuff.

now your saying that the reason : "soft claiming COM" is not vote worthy and your vote back there was indeed RVS?

[M-FM William Reed]

William, if you would like to change your focus for a moment, what's your unabridged opinion about Bertha?

well I didn't like the fact he called 2 person town and tried to buddy me I will quote the post he did that in. nothing else triggered me back there.

[M-FM William Reed]

Thanks love for the contributions so far. I got a good feeling that you are town in this game so far. With Robinson that makes two strong town. Doing better with town hunting at the moment then scumhunting, guessing scum don't have the nerve to come in here and post. Limey bastards.

this post ^

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

well I didn't like the fact he called 2 person town and tried to buddy me I will quote the post he did that in. nothing else triggered me back there.

It's good to know that you're aware of attempted buddying towards your direction. What caught my eye the first time was Post 58 and his interest of creating discussion together with you. While he's someone who shares a lot of enthusiasm towards setup discussion, this was a slightly different approach. His primary focus appears to be God and takes near instant attention towards players with anything related to God.

There's this gut feeling that spells out that something is strange with this player. Let's hope it is just a gut feel and not an actual case of scum setting up for something.

[M-FM Joseph Johnson]

Hello everyone!

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

Hello everyone!

Good day. Other than setup speculation, there's this argument about RVS between William Reed and Edward O'Connor so you're not missing out on too much and there's less than ten pages so it won't take long to read up.

[M-FM Roy Larkins]

Okay. I am your average person. I like cabbage. Florence reminds me of myself. Also, WR and I know each other if they are who I think they are.

[M-FM Mary Hughes]

It's good to know that you're aware of attempted buddying towards your direction. What caught my eye the first time was Post 58 and his interest of creating discussion together with you. While he's someone who shares a lot of enthusiasm towards setup discussion, this was a slightly different approach. His primary focus appears to be God and takes near instant attention towards players with anything related to God.

There's this gut feeling that spells out that something is strange with this player. Let's hope it is just a gut feel and not an actual case of scum setting up for something.

Being God focused is a scum tell in this game I believe.

[M-FM Mary Hughes]

we weren't in RVS.

in MS we insta lynch whoever tries to stay or push back to RVS. yes we were in page 4 and we were 4 pages out of RVS. people were started talking about stuff.

now your saying that the reason : "soft claiming COM" is not vote worthy and your vote back there was indeed RVS?


This isn't MS. That other site won't mean much here.
Site meta is different here.
We are still in RVS

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

This isn't MS. That other site won't mean much here.
Site meta is different here.
We are still in RVS

YMMV, some players have decided to not participate in RVS.

[M-FM William Reed]

This isn't MS. That other site won't mean much here.
Site meta is different here.
We are still in RVS

I know site meta is different in some aspects but RVS has a single definite definition : Random vote section when people vote each other randomly for no strong reasons to start conversations going. people use this to start the game.

why you think we're still in RVS? there has been plenty of things that can be talked about ...

[M-FM Roy Larkins]

Okay, so people welcomed Joseph, yet no one welcomed me? D:

Am I invisible or something....?

[M-FM William Reed]

Okay, so people welcomed Joseph, yet no one welcomed me? D:

Am I invisible or something....?

Welcome! :D

I guess its becuase you called yourself cabbage. people usually don't greet cabbages :D

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

Okay, so people welcomed Joseph, yet no one welcomed me? D:

Am I invisible or something....?

You gave a statement that had no prompt of being greeted, average person.

Is this all that you're going to say, a call out that no one are shaking your hand as opposed to say... contribute, discuss, scum hunt or anything that isn't about going into your room and cry to sleep because no one said hi?
For the sake of consistency : Good day.

[M-FM Roy Larkins]

Well, I did say something game-related, but you chose to ignore that too, so you're in no position to admonish me for not saying anything game-relevant when you ignore things that I said that are game-relevant.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

Well, I did say something game-related, but you chose to ignore that too, so you're in no position to admonish me for not saying anything game-relevant when you ignore things that I said that are game-relevant.

Ah, my apologies. I admit I have a select identification issue of fellow users who lack an avatar so I assumed you were someone who checked in on post 132.

Let's isolate your posts in chronological order...





ok sorry

this setup is incredibly complicated as I can see it. well I didn't completly analysed the setup yet.

I'm a new player in SC2 , I am a MS player. nice to meet you all!

I will be here posting in about 4/5 hours from now :)

Nobody touch this.

Uhm, okay. That's some high-level contribution right here boys.


Okay. I am your average person. I like cabbage. Florence reminds me of myself. Also, WR and I know each other if they are who I think they are.

Hello, average person. I thought this was the initial check-in post. Basically you're saying that Florence is similar to you and that you may or may not know WR.
Very contribution, much useful.


Okay, so people welcomed Joseph, yet no one welcomed me? D:

Am I invisible or something....?

This is the post that made me call out on you, that no one welcomed you which is a totally necessary post by all means.


Well, I did say something game-related, but you chose to ignore that too, so you're in no position to admonish me for not saying anything game-relevant when you ignore things that I said that are game-relevant.

Let's look this up. You said something game-related, which is at most very minimal. It's hard to ignore when there's little to begin with.



I'm not retracting my call out after this recent post of yours.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

For the lolz, I'm now calling you out on calling out on me unjustified for calling you out.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I honestly expected much more activity by the time I got back. Only about 2 pages since I was here six or seven hours ago.
I guess Ill get through reading what has been said.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

U mad u have a vote or w0t



Why are you raging so hard for something so simple? Overreaction much? That's a lot of righteous indignation there.
It is a heavily anti town move and it annoys me the players approach to the game. It is effectively saying they don't want to work together with anyone. However I highly doubt they are the role they claim to be, so it really doesn't matter. I notice a train is building on them which I think is kind of pointless since that slot will likely resolve itself in a day phase or two, just consider the player a jester and move on. That is my opinion of that for next few day phases.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I thought it would be ten plus pages after nine hours of game start.

Bertha likes to write strangely and provoke discussion. Considers the setup to only contain four to six town power roles.
Certainly the guy who appears to have read the setup. What's your inquiry good sir?

I expect Satan to do something stupid either today or tomorrow since it is a glorified Arsonist.
Would you expect Satan to do something like claim to be God?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

If you're from ms you should understand why I voted you but you seem too blinded by your worry of that vote

If it is not obvious to me, or anyone else, then it is not obvious why you voted for Reed. You want to explain why you voted for someone based on their site? Cause it looks rather silly mate.

[M-FM Roy Larkins]

'Florence reminds me of myself' is the game related bit. We both like to claim truthfully. :facepalm:

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

If he asks me why I'm voting him and I don't say why, I'm withholding my reasoning

It was RVS but I didn't want to say that. I'm just curious why a ms player is so bothered by an RVS vote when their site does RVS a lot more than this one so its a pretty common thing.
RVS is a kind of state of mind for most players, I think those who have been discussing talking about theory and participating in discussion are mentally out of RVS and so need something to tangible for votes. Players who haven't done that are in RVS tho.
I was considering you scummy for your vote and lack of reasoning but now you are back at null.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

YMMV, some players have decided to not participate in RVS.

Most players have decided to not post at all Day 1 so far.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Well, I did say something game-related, but you chose to ignore that too, so you're in no position to admonish me for not saying anything game-relevant when you ignore things that I said that are game-relevant.

No offense mate, but every post of yours so far has been fluff and someone who wants people to look at him. If you want to participate whats your thoughts on Robinson, Reed, Me, and Shephard?

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

Would you expect Satan to do something like claim to be God?

It is a possibility and the law of stupid demands that all possibilities are likely with stupid.
Pointing out that I'm even more suspicious about your God fixation now.


'Florence reminds me of myself' is the game related bit. We both like to claim truthfully. :facepalm:

Oh man, where do I begin... If that's all you're going to boast about then I feel somewhat sorry for you. I could say I'm similar to Fred and say nothing more, where's the contribution in that? How do I know that you claim truthfully?


Most players have decided to not post at all Day 1 so far.

That is true considering the low-class activity that we're currently witnessing. Should we start wagons to encourage lurkers to vote?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

That is true considering the low-class activity that we're currently witnessing. Should we start wagons to encourage lurkers to vote?
A wagon would be good, but nobody is particularly pinging me as scum as of yet, right now the best option would be Florence claim to be god, which is anti town.

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

im here :toadette:

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

A wagon would be good, but nobody is particularly pinging me as scum as of yet, right now the best option would be Florence claim to be god, which is anti town.

Harry is the only one voting Florence at the moment. For the sake of game progression as well the accusations of anti-town behavior, I'll place my vote on Florence. I expect your vote to escalate the wagon further, making it three whole votes.

M-FM Florence Palmer

Strange question from me, what's your opinion about me?

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

so hi eveeryone im town i am new here idk what to do

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Harry is the only one voting Florence at the moment. For the sake of game progression as well the accusations of anti-town behavior, I'll place my vote on Florence. I expect your vote to escalate the wagon further, making it three whole votes.

M-FM Florence Palmer

Strange question from me, what's your opinion about me?

Bad decision. I curse upon thee.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

so hi eveeryone im town i am new here idk what to do

Why do you need to claim loud and proudly that you're town? As for not knowing what to do, are you new here or what?


Bad decision. I curse upon thee.

Oh great, the vermin are biting.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Why do you need to claim loud and proudly that you're town? As for not knowing what to do, are you new here or what?



Oh great, the vermin are biting.

I am satisfied.

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

I HATE THE NAME BERTHA IS OLD GRANNY NAME HAHAHAHA SORRY OLD BAG M-FM Bertha Anderson:love::love::love::love::love::love::love: :love::darkness::darkness::darkness::darkness::toa dette::toadette::toadette::toadette::toadette::toa dette::toadette::toadette::fb::fb::fb::fb:

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

I HATE THE NAME BERTHA IS OLD GRANNY NAME HAHAHAHA SORRY OLD BAG M-FM Bertha Anderson:love::love::love::love::love::love::love: :love::darkness::darkness::darkness::darkness::toa dette::toadette::toadette::toadette::toadette::toa dette::toadette::toadette::fb::fb::fb::fb:

That was odd.

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

That was odd.

NO U R !!

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

NO U R !!

No you!

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

No you!

STOP IT HORSE RADISH YOU ARE WEIRDER AND U NEED TO SIT THE F DOWN U MAFIA SCUM I SHOULD VOTE U BUT I WONT !!!

[M-FM Mary Hughes]

Strange question from me, what's your opinion about me?

I'd like to answer this.
With the way you put down your vote and the stance you have seemed to captain as of yet I would read you as a neutral standpoint. Posting behavior seems to suggest that you have the potential to be an outspoken hardhitter, someone who goes after the scummy people without fear. However you have just now voted and the wording behind it suggests to me that it's done hesitantly which counters the previous read. You share an opinion with half our site in post #157 talking about vermin, which I took to symbolize the lackluster players who don't try here.

You don't have to much inside each post to get a deep read on. Most of your posts are surface posts, or reactionary posts to what other members are saying. The conclusions to draw from what you have presented so far is something I'll keep to myself but here is what I've read about you.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

STOP IT HORSE RADISH YOU ARE WEIRDER AND U NEED TO SIT THE F DOWN U MAFIA SCUM I SHOULD VOTE U BUT I WONT !!!

You shouldn't vote me anyway, I am God.

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

You shouldn't vote me anyway, I am God.

wait is that a role ur god oh no my bad

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

wait is that a role ur god oh no my bad

So you finally figured it out. Good job! A++

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

So you finally figured it out. Good job! A++

):

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

I hate asshole genies. I wish for activity, granted - more shitposts.


I'd like to answer this.
With the way you put down your vote and the stance you have seemed to captain as of yet I would read you as a neutral standpoint. Posting behavior seems to suggest that you have the potential to be an outspoken hardhitter, someone who goes after the scummy people without fear. However you have just now voted and the wording behind it suggests to me that it's done hesitantly which counters the previous read. You share an opinion with half our site in post #157 talking about vermin, which I took to symbolize the lackluster players who don't try here.

You don't have to much inside each post to get a deep read on. Most of your posts are surface posts, or reactionary posts to what other members are saying. The conclusions to draw from what you have presented so far is something I'll keep to myself but here is what I've read about you.

Interesting read. True, the vote is somewhat hesitant because I would rather vote for Bertha.
My reason for not doing so is because Bertha is significantly more active and has some appreciated contribution, perhaps I will vote later or tomorrow should there be a slip which is far more common for active posters.

I don't write too much because let's face it, a lot of players do not like to read walls of text. Information that isn't blunt enough or straight forward may also in general be unread or misunderstood.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I'd like to answer this.
With the way you put down your vote and the stance you have seemed to captain as of yet I would read you as a neutral standpoint. Posting behavior seems to suggest that you have the potential to be an outspoken hardhitter, someone who goes after the scummy people without fear. However you have just now voted and the wording behind it suggests to me that it's done hesitantly which counters the previous read. You share an opinion with half our site in post #157 talking about vermin, which I took to symbolize the lackluster players who don't try here.

You don't have to much inside each post to get a deep read on. Most of your posts are surface posts, or reactionary posts to what other members are saying. The conclusions to draw from what you have presented so far is something I'll keep to myself but here is what I've read about you.
Insightful, I hae to say I don't hae quite a read on Clarence as well. dae tell what r yer thoughts on me and Robinson too?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I hate asshole genies. I wish for activity, granted - more shitposts.



Interesting read. True, the vote is somewhat hesitant because I would rather vote for Bertha.
My reason for not doing so is because Bertha is significantly more active and has some appreciated contribution, perhaps I will vote later or tomorrow should there be a slip which is far more common for active posters.

I don't write too much because let's face it, a lot of players do not like to read walls of text. Information that isn't blunt enough or straight forward may also in general be unread or misunderstood.
Then y don't thou vote me? dae thou think voting me will make me less active or less likely to contribute? This is odd.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

There is currently two wagons, if ye can ring up the one with two votes a wagon. One on myself and one on Florence, don't considerably fancy either to be frank, so I think Ill join Mr Robinson:

M-FM Joseph Johnson

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

Then y don't thou vote me? dae thou think voting me will make me less active or less likely to contribute? This is odd.

I already gave a reason, so this question isn't needed.

Perhaps it is odd but it's more based on gut and personally I think that if you're scum, you're going to slip up sooner or later which we will pick up on.
Voting you wouldn't change your behavior and because there's no definitive scum read there's little to gain at the moment, it's far more beneficial to vote up someone that's directly anti-town and lead a wagon to encourage players to vote and make a discussion for pro / con out of it.

Unless of course you're insisting to become the lynch candidate of the day or that you'll be pressured into revealing your role. I'm yet to see anything directly scummy and anti-towny.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Vote Count 1-3
M-FM Joseph Johnson (2):M-FM Bertha Anderson, M-FM Fred Robinson
M-FM Gertrude Banks (1):M-FM Ethel McAllister
M-FM Bertha Anderson (3):M-FM Gertrude Banks, M-FM Florence Palmer, M-FM Thomas Grant
M-FM William Reed (1):M-FM Edward O'Connor
M-FM Florence Palmer (2):M-FM Harry Smith, M-FM Clarence Shephard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J69oCCM1EcI

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I already gave a reason, so this question isn't needed.

Perhaps it is odd but it's more based on gut and personally I think that if you're scum, you're going to slip up sooner or later which we will pick up on.
Voting you wouldn't change your behavior and because there's no definitive scum read there's little to gain at the moment, it's far more beneficial to vote up someone that's directly anti-town and lead a wagon to encourage players to vote and make a discussion for pro / con out of it.

Unless of course you're insisting to become the lynch candidate of the day or that you'll be pressured into revealing your role. I'm yet to see anything directly scummy and anti-towny.
So you are town reading me?
You said you wanted to vote me, why? Cause I am the leading wagon? You can't just say I want to vote X but I won't because he is active. That isn't a good reason to vote someone nor a good reason not to vote someone.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

So you are town reading me?
You said you wanted to vote me, why? Cause I am the leading wagon? You can't just say I want to vote X but I won't because he is active. That isn't a good reason to vote someone nor a good reason not to vote someone.

Way to make a strawman. No, I'm not town reading you. There's a gut read that makes it a neutral to scum-lean but a gut read isn't a legitimate reason to pursue anything. You're active = more likely to post, each post having a chance at a scumslip which will lead up on a wagon.

Your contribution for the moment is adequate for now and I rather pursue them who are legitimately scummy or anti-town by behavior.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Way to make a strawman. No, I'm not town reading you. There's a gut read that makes it a neutral to scum-lean but a gut read isn't a legitimate reason to pursue anything. You're active = more likely to post, each post having a chance at a scumslip which will lead up on a wagon.

Your contribution for the moment is adequate for now and I rather pursue them who are legitimately scummy or anti-town by behavior.
How is anything I said a strawman. You were the one to say you wanted to vote me but that you didn't want to. And your explanation was based on activity. Please point out where I am misrepresenting you here.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

You two should get along and chill, who cares! Stop fighting and enjoy yourselves. Nobody's lives are at stake.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Oh right, this is mafia, theres people who kills n stuff. My bad.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

You two should get along and chill, who cares! Stop fighting and enjoy yourselves. Nobody's lives are at stake.
You know your attitude this whole game has been anti town, correct? You want to drop the act and come out and say you were just reaction testing or you waiting for more people like Shephard to point out how obviously anti town your play is.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Oh right, this is mafia, theres people who kills n stuff. My bad.

Ahhh I love SC2Mafia Troll Day 1. It is an excellent diversion from trying to make the day semi useful. Now I am off gents because surely my time here is wasted trying to make the day meaningful. Cheerio.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

As your God,

I will not discuss sins, prayers, my son Jesus, or any strategies relating to my role. I will read all strategies you may suggest and take it to considerations, but I will act everything out of my own will.

I will smite all who oppose me and my people! By the end of this M-FM, we shall emerge victorious! This is my promise to my people!

First things first.
if he isn't actual god|| Real god should be careful of counterclaiming since the scum may have a bum.

Second

Do you agree to follow the plan? If you do not say your agreement or disagreement, I will read you as scum, since failure to follow a guaranteed plan for town to win is as pro-scum as one can be.

Third

If you already claimed god and are actually god. You are an idiot.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

reading the setup again oh well I will post whatever question I have about it. I just want to have a good grasp at all of the aspects of the setup , I'm not soft claiming anything.

1 - god receives the entire player list without their names. the order of this list stay static or changes each night?
2 - so we won't have any god anymore if there is no not sinful Christian ?
3 - both roleblock attempt and the roleblocked person will be sinful ?
4 - Sinners can pray (maybe for forgiveness only)? nothing is specified in their role pms. if yes , and if god answers that prayer what will happen?
6 - not sinful people can pray for forgiveness? what will happen if god answers that prayer?
7 - Glutton can take half of the god prayer answer charges as well?

ok now the plan seems ridiculously stupid. scum has 3 roles that can mess with the god without killing him ... (Glutton , Politician , Bum)

8 - if a god dies , the new god will receive the last night prayer feedback and sin numbers?
9 - god knows which number is him ? what about jesus?
10 - if an Antichrist die but his wincon (both god and jesus being dead) fulfills , game ends ?

in the sample massage of prayer result sinful people are like this :
Pray-o-meter:
1. Strength
2. Sinful
3. Forgivness
4. Strength
5. Willpower
6. Sinful
7. Protection
8. Protection
9. Sinful
10.
11. <--- You
12.
13.
14.
15. Sinful
16. Sinful
17. Name: Noctiz Role: Escort
18.
19. Blessing
20.

it confused me as hell. how someone prayed for forgiveness. god can see the sinful people in his lists? if someone is sinful and praying for forgiveness god can recognise it?

The numbers are NOT randomized every time he gets the list, I think dw made this pretty clear in his post about changing it in the setup.
Aka The numbers will always be the same every time for the same person.

Glutton is irrelevant to the plan, God doesn't have to answer prayers and therefore doesn't necessarily need charges.
IF god is blackmailed and he knows a scum he can simply vote then unvote then vote again. Blackmailer will also be revealed later on if he ever chooses to use his abilioty.
Setup says God disguises not that another player becomes god (Theres a difference we will have same god all game even if their M-FM name changes)
Now bring up bum is a good point. If god is drugged he can just say so, if bum makes god recieve fake prayer feedback then he would know since the bum can't see god's number list(The list would be too messed up). This makes bum pratically useless and we would know quickly if there is one. Notice how this plan does not change that we scumhunt during day.


Also am I the only one thinking that the guy claiming god right now is behaving scummingly aka posts of no real input?

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

How is anything I said a strawman. You were the one to say you wanted to vote me but that you didn't want to. And your explanation was based on activity. Please point out where I am misrepresenting you here.

Instead of making a long answer, I'll just color code my previous messages. Same colors are related.
The only thing I will add is that I didn't write every reason in 169, I should've included the gut thing which I've posted elsewhere if I remember right.




My reason for not doing so is because Bertha is significantly more active and has some appreciated contribution, perhaps I will vote later or tomorrow should there be a slip which is far more common for active posters.


I already gave a reason, so this question isn't needed.

Perhaps it is odd but it's more based on gut and personally I think that if you're scum, you're going to slip up sooner or later which we will pick up on.
Voting you wouldn't change your behavior and because there's no definitive scum read there's little to gain at the moment, it's far more beneficial to vote up someone that's directly anti-town and lead a wagon to encourage players to vote and make a discussion for pro / con out of it.


Way to make a strawman. No, I'm not town reading you. There's a gut read that makes it a neutral to scum-lean but a gut read isn't a legitimate reason to pursue anything. You're active = more likely to post, each post having a chance at a scumslip which will lead up on a wagon.

Your contribution for the moment is adequate for now and I rather pursue them who are legitimately scummy or anti-town by behavior.

[M-FM Mary Hughes]

Insightful, I hae to say I don't hae quite a read on Clarence as well. dae tell what r yer thoughts on me and Robinson too?

I don't like that you are buddying up with him based on his plans. I also don't like your choice of RP but that's a personal matter and not game related. You throw around the term anti town a lot which is suggestive of being an aggressive personality. The RP fits that's personality. You haven't been voting the people you are going against which is a sign of experience. I dislike the VCing but I understand it's place in site meta. Slight town read but it's day one brah.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Given that we have 5 total prayers that can be prayed right now.

I can make a list right now for everyone's prayer if so desired.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Given that we have 5 total prayers that can be prayed right now.

I can make a list right now for everyone's prayer if so desired.

5 prayers is super-optimal for 20people for fairly obvious reasons.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

I can make a list right now for everyone's prayer if so desired.

If there's no benefit of scum having this list, then go for it now.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If there's no benefit of scum having this list, then go for it now.

Okay. I can't think of a reason for posting every-day that scum could pull shenagins over since if they pray for someone else they will be lynched for not following theres and then revealed on the list. Thereby showing the other scum they prayed for.

Give me a few minutes.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Name
D1 Prayer
D2 Prayer(TBD)


M-FM Ernest Mitchell
Forgiveness



M-FM Bertha Anderson
Forgiveness



M-FM Mary Hughes
Forgiveness



M-FM William Reed
Forgiveness



M-FM Lillian Brady
Willpower



M-FM Clara Wilson
Willpower



M-FM Ethel McAllister
Willpower



M-FM Joseph Johnson
Willpower



M-FM Thomas King
Blessing



M-FM Fred Robinson
Blessing



M-FM Margaret Smith
Blessing



M-FM Edward O'Connor
Blessing



M-FM Roy Larkins
Protection



M-FM Harry Smith
Protection



M-FM Florence Palmer
Protection



M-FM Clarence Shephard
Protection



M-FM Gertrude Banks
Strength



M-FM David Graham
Strength



M-FM Thomas Grant
Strength



M-FM Walter Livingston
Strength

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Name
N1 Prayer
N2 Prayer(TBD)


M-FM Ernest Mitchell
Forgiveness



M-FM Bertha Anderson
Forgiveness



M-FM Mary Hughes
Forgiveness



M-FM William Reed
Forgiveness



M-FM Lillian Brady
Willpower



M-FM Clara Wilson
Willpower



M-FM Ethel McAllister
Willpower



M-FM Joseph Johnson
Willpower



M-FM Thomas King
Blessing



M-FM Fred Robinson
Blessing



M-FM Margaret Smith
Blessing



M-FM Edward O'Connor
Blessing



M-FM Roy Larkins
Protection



M-FM Harry Smith
Protection



M-FM Florence Palmer
Protection



M-FM Clarence Shephard
Protection



M-FM Gertrude Banks
Strength



M-FM David Graham
Strength



M-FM Thomas Grant
Strength



M-FM Walter Livingston
Strength




SUPPOSED TO BE N1 WHOOPS

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Ahhh I love SC2Mafia Troll Day 1. It is an excellent diversion from trying to make the day semi useful. Now I am off gents because surely my time here is wasted trying to make the day meaningful. Cheerio.

This post is scummy.

Said he refuse to participate anymore because of some specific players.
There are always some specific players in every games post like that, and some are even worse, like FM Batman.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

First things first.
if he isn't actual god|| Real god should be careful of counterclaiming since the scum may have a bum.

Second

Do you agree to follow the plan? If you do not say your agreement or disagreement, I will read you as scum, since failure to follow a guaranteed plan for town to win is as pro-scum as one can be.

Third

If you already claimed god and are actually god. You are an idiot.

k.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

k.

Florence Palmer
KK. Not expressing folowwing of guaranteed plan for win-con is anti-win-con and pro-scum.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Florence Palmer
KK. Not expressing folowwing of guaranteed plan for win-con is anti-win-con and pro-scum.

u mad bro? u mad?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Florence Palmer
KK. Not expressing folowwing of guaranteed plan for win-con is anti-win-con and pro-scum.

M-FM Florence Palmer

1Personally I think no-lynching is best but either this guy is pro-scum god.
2This guy is trolling guy pretending to be god but even so sohuld express agreement.
3Or this guy is scum pretending to be god in order to try to get us to abandon the guaranteed plan.\

3 is the only one that's playing to a win-con

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If you can find a flaw in this plan I Encourage you too.
Otherwise if you are god or town pretending to be god, you should express agreement if you can find no flaw

Since hte plan is guaranteed if one does not express agreement without finding a flaw in the plan. One is playing directly against a guaranteed town win and is therefore pro-scum.
I cannot stress this enough or the importance of following this plan.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Its not that I dont disagree with the plan or anything. I'll be honest, I don't understand exactly how the role God works.

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

Ahhh I love SC2Mafia Troll Day 1. It is an excellent diversion from trying to make the day semi useful. Now I am off gents because surely my time here is wasted trying to make the day meaningful. Cheerio.

Again with the righteous indognation. Feels over the top, like "look how town I am for getting frustrated with the anti town behavior which is now my excuse to leave"

M-FM Bertha Anderson

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Its not that I dont disagree with the plan or anything. I'll be honest, I don't understand exactly how the role God works.

Ah. Let me help you.
You can see how many players sin(complete a yellow action) each night.
You also recieve a list of 20numbers(each number coresponds to a person) of their prayers or lack thereof. If a player forsakes their night action and prays to you, you will see what they pray by their number at the start of the day. You have 30charges of answering prayers( You can choose whether to or to not answer prayers, I recommned to not answer if we are folowwing this plan)

By assigning prayers to people we can determine who isn't folowwing through through ___-chotomies.
Such as a person is a commonality in 3 groups where a prayer was missing(he was supposed to pray in each of those groups but in every group he was in you only recieved 3 of those prayers, so since he is the only commonality you know he is scum who cannot or is choosing not to pray).

Does this help?
I can explain your role throughly in a spolier-wall post in needed

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Or give an example of the feedback you would recieve for amultiple nights.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Also I may have to edit that list. I'm doing algorithm math right now. I will post a multiple-night list of prayers later on probably in a hour or 3.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Ah. Let me help you.
You can see how many players sin(complete a yellow action) each night.
You also recieve a list of 20numbers(each number coresponds to a person) of their prayers or lack thereof. If a player forsakes their night action and prays to you, you will see what they pray by their number at the start of the day. You have 30charges of answering prayers( You can choose whether to or to not answer prayers, I recommned to not answer if we are folowwing this plan)

By assigning prayers to people we can determine who isn't folowwing through through ___-chotomies.
Such as a person is a commonality in 3 groups where a prayer was missing(he was supposed to pray in each of those groups but in every group he was in you only recieved 3 of those prayers, so since he is the only commonality you know he is scum who cannot or is choosing not to pray).

Does this help?
I can explain your role throughly in a spolier-wall post in needed

Also.
When a player dies their role and name shall be revealed next to their number on the list of prayers you recieve at the start of every day(except d1 of course)

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

The point of my plan is to coorelate players to numbers.
For players who do not follow through with their prayers, it would coorelate to a common theme next to a number. Which we can then coorelate the two together and find scum with guaranteed success since only scum would not follow through with the plan either by choice or by the 2 factions of scum that cannot pray. Those two factions of scum will most likely be revealed on d3(we should have 3 guaranteed scum lynches starting d3) if I am doing the math correctly.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

This post is scummy.

Said he refuse to participate anymore because of some specific players.
There are always some specific players in every games post like that, and some are even worse, like FM Batman.
A specific player is fine. Its when 90% of the player base is trolling is different. You aren't the only one trolling sir.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Again with the righteous indognation. Feels over the top, like "look how town I am for getting frustrated with the anti town behavior which is now my excuse to leave"

M-FM Bertha Anderson
You didn't even spell indignation right. But seriously, if you think I am acting frustrated I find that highly amusing. From your actions so far I dub thee Village Idiot. Welcome to the town village idiot, continue your ramblings :P

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Name
D1 Prayer
D2 Prayer(TBD)


M-FM Ernest Mitchell
Forgiveness



M-FM Bertha Anderson
Forgiveness



M-FM Mary Hughes
Forgiveness



M-FM William Reed
Forgiveness



M-FM Lillian Brady
Willpower



M-FM Clara Wilson
Willpower



M-FM Ethel McAllister
Willpower



M-FM Joseph Johnson
Willpower



M-FM Thomas King
Blessing



M-FM Fred Robinson
Blessing



M-FM Margaret Smith
Blessing



M-FM Edward O'Connor
Blessing



M-FM Roy Larkins
Protection



M-FM Harry Smith
Protection



M-FM Florence Palmer
Protection



M-FM Clarence Shephard
Protection



M-FM Gertrude Banks
Strength



M-FM David Graham
Strength



M-FM Thomas Grant
Strength



M-FM Walter Livingston
Strength




Every player should confirm this is their action they are going to take.
/Confirm

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Every player should confirm this is their action they are going to take.
/Confirm

If not they should explain in detail why they think this plan isn't good.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If not they should explain in detail why they think this plan isn't good.

Based on my thinking the first night shjouldn't have a need to be changed mathematically.
I'm currently working on it manually and algorithimically to do have a scenario for every night; I'm still working through it all but when I'm done i'll post it(shouldn't take no more than a few hours to check through everything)

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Vote Count 1-4
M-FM Joseph Johnson (1):M-FM Bertha Anderson
M-FM Gertrude Banks (1):M-FM Ethel McAllister
M-FM Florence Palmer (3):M-FM Fred Robinson, M-FM Harry Smith, M-FM Clarence Shephard
M-FM Bertha Anderson (4):M-FM Gertrude Banks, M-FM Edward O'Connor, M-FM Florence Palmer, M-FM Thomas Grant


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV3tx-qODsc

I can't say I like either of the two leading wagons. Florence isn't likely scum by his behavior, his play is too risky to be scum. Likely a player trying to eat a night bullet if you ask me.

[Ra]

Hey guys! Main host here.

Inactivity will be frowned upon. If you fail to post at least 5 times during the day, at 2 different times (you may PM this account if you are unable too, we can work something out) you will be replaced out.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Hey guys! Main host here.

Inactivity will be frowned upon. If you fail to post at least 5 times during the day, at 2 different times (you may PM this account if you are unable too, we can work something out) you will be replaced out.
The pessimistic side of me thinks that you wont even be able to follow through with this considering the general inactivity, but the optimistic side says there is a lot of reserve players.

Ehh, we will see.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Vote Count 1-4
M-FM Joseph Johnson (1):M-FM Bertha Anderson
M-FM Gertrude Banks (1):M-FM Ethel McAllister
M-FM Florence Palmer (3):M-FM Fred Robinson, M-FM Harry Smith, M-FM Clarence Shephard
M-FM Bertha Anderson (4):M-FM Gertrude Banks, M-FM Edward O'Connor, M-FM Florence Palmer, M-FM Thomas Grant


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV3tx-qODsc

I can't say I like either of the two leading wagons. Florence isn't likely scum by his behavior, his play is too risky to be scum. Likely a player trying to eat a night bullet if you ask me.

Heres My problem with florence.
He should have agreed to the plan even if he is faking god as town.
If he is god, he is making seriously bad plays.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Heres My problem with florence.
He should have agreed to the plan even if he is faking god as town.
If he is god, he is making seriously bad plays.
Yes, he is making bad plays, and I don't think we can encourage his behavior. But Anti Town doesn't equal being scum. I think the player is bad town right now, not scum. Lynching town isn't a good idea ever.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I have way too many town reads and not enough scum reads, I may have to rethink some of these bad plays coming from bad town or something.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Yes, he is making bad plays, and I don't think we can encourage his behavior. But Anti Town doesn't equal being scum. I think the player is bad town right now, not scum. Lynching town isn't a good idea ever.

I've already stated that I would perfer no-lynching till d2 or d3 since then we can get guaranteed scum lynches off.

However, by someone not expressing clear agreement to a plan for "not understanding how god works" after I've explained it can be detrimental to town since it may cause others to not follow it based on the his statements of not expressing clear agreement to follow it.

See what I'm getting at?

Also we have plenty of time to get scum-reads its still d1 with low amounts of posting.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If we mislynch d1 and d2 and conversions happen each one of those nights

We are immediatedly down to 9 town to 4sinners to 3atheists and 2antichrist
If mafia also get successful kills we are down to 7:4:3:2(lost majority)

Nolynching is necessary for us to be guaranteed to win, I believe.

If prime sinner chooses to kill and we no-lynch we he'll be put in the pool of (3+1=4) who never prayed. Once prime sinner dies the sinners lose factional kill ability if I read setup right.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If we mislynch d1 and d2 and conversions happen each one of those nights

We are immediatedly down to 9 town to 4sinners to 3atheists and 2antichrist
If mafia also get successful kills we are down to 7:4:3:2(lost majority)

Nolynching is necessary for us to be guaranteed to win, I believe.

If prime sinner chooses to kill and we no-lynch we he'll be put in the pool of (3+1=4) who never prayed. Once prime sinner dies the sinners lose factional kill ability if I read setup right.

Also senior atheist can never pray so he's also in that pool as well as aspotate of satan.
After the prime sinner, senior atheist, and apostate of satan are dead with town folowing this strategy, Town shall be guaranteed to win since if a vigi is possesed we will all know.

[Ra]

M-FM David Graham's soul has been cleansed! (He was replaced out)

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Vote will only be counted at days end and miday, lynching the person if that has 51% of the votes on him.


@Host Will you be posting the votes at miday even if they do not reach 51%?

[Ra]

@Host Will you be posting the votes at miday even if they do not reach 51%?

Main host here!

I don't plan on doing so.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

M-FM David Graham's soul has been cleansed! (He was replaced out)
At least someone asked to replace out. Very kind of them to not bog down the game with inactivity.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Name
N1 Prayer

N2 Prayer
N3 Prayer
N4 Prayer
N5 Prayer


M-FM Ernest Mitchell

Forgiveness
Strength
Protection

Blessing
Willpower


M-FM Bertha Anderson

Forgiveness

Protection
Willpower
Strength
Blessing


M-FM Mary Hughes

Forgiveness
Blessing
Strength
Willpower
Protection


M-FM William Reed

Forgiveness
Willpower
Blessing
Protection
Strength


M-FM Lillian Brady

Willpower
Forgiveness
Strength
Protection
Blessing


M-FM Clara Wilson

Willpower
Strength
Blessing
Forgiveness
Protection


M-FM Ethel McAllister

Willpower
Protection
Forgiveness
Blessing
Strength


M-FM Joseph Johnson

Willpower
Blessing
Protection
Strength
Forgiveness


M-FM Thomas King

Blessing
Willpower
Forgiveness
Strength
Protection


M-FM Fred Robinson

Blessing
Forgiveness
Protection
Willpower
Strength


M-FM Margaret Smith

Blessing
Strength
Willpower
Protection
Forgiveness


M-FM Edward O'Connor

Blessing
Protection
Strength
Forgiveness

Willpower


M-FM Roy Larkins

Protection
Blessing
Willpower
Forgiveness
Strength


M-FM Harry Smith

Protection
Willpower
Strength
Blessing
Forgiveness


M-FM Florence Palmer

Protection
Forgiveness
Blessing
Strength
Willpower


M-FM Clarence Shephard

Protection
Strength

Forgiveness
Willpower
Blessing


M-FM Gertrude Banks

Strength
Protection
Blessing
Willpower
Forgiveness


M-FM David Graham

Strength
Blessing
Forgiveness
Protection
Willpower


M-FM Thomas Grant

Strength
Willpower
Protection
Forgiveness
Blessing


M-FM Walter Livingston

Strength
Forgiveness
Willpower
Blessing
Protection



There you guys Go!
Repeat back at n1 after n6.

Everyone should /confirm their action
such as /confirm Blessing
Please do it in teal so it's easy to see in the thread.


Even if you claim god and can't pray(keep in mind that if you are god, your groups will be missing 1 since you can't pray and the list should have you on there as well if it has 20numbers)

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I am going to clarify, double and triple check that you are praying the right prayer.

Anyone who says they made a mistake will be considered scum. I'm sure some people including myself will tell you if you /confirmed ____
wrongly. I repeat, Anyone who claims they forgot, mis-prayed will be considered scum. Anyone who doesn't pray will be considered scum.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Question on your plan right now, wouldn't this confirm everyones number in the slot by D3?
For instance I will say I prayed for Forgiveness N1, and then I did Protection the next.
No one else should have done it in that order unless they don't follow this plan. This auto confirms everyone in their respective slots for the numbers assigned to god.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Now everyone please if use \confirm if you are just talking about it without actually confirming it in teal. This is to make it easier to search through the thread at the end of the day.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Question on your plan right now, wouldn't this confirm everyones number in the slot by D3?
For instance I will say I prayed for Forgiveness N1, and then I did Protection the next.
No one else should have done it in that order unless they don't follow this plan. This auto confirms everyone in their respective slots for the numbers assigned to god.

Yes actually that's sorta the point.

However some scum may try praying for other scum and this prevents that as well since we would be able to track them not praying right then they flip as scum on god's list then he can find out who they prayed for if this occurs.

Do you think this is a problem or just as a matter of asking for information?

Also lel, atheists and antichrist faction are so dead.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If you notice that list has no 2 people praying in the same group till it recycles starting n6, n11, etc.
This ensures that scum cannot mess with it.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Yes actually that's sorta the point.

However some scum may try praying for other scum and this prevents that as well since we would be able to track them not praying right then they flip as scum on god's list then he can find out who they prayed for if this occurs.

Do you think this is a problem or just as a matter of asking for information?

Also lel, atheists and antichrist faction are so dead.

I don't consider it a problem, I was just wondering why you consider the game broken by Day 6 when essentially we can confirm most players by Day 3 in their respective slots. What significance does day 6 have?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If you notice that list has no 2 people praying in the same group twice till it recycles starting n6, n11, etc.
This ensures that scum cannot mess with it.

fixed

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I don't consider it a problem, I was just wondering why you consider the game broken by Day 6 when essentially we can confirm most players by Day 3 in their respective slots. What significance does day 6 have?

If you are referring to my repeat at n6, then it's necessary to keep doing so we know when someone doesn't pray or prays the wrong thing in their slot.

Did I say d6 earlier when referencing the GG point? I just finished doing the algorithim on paper and on excel, i think i might ofsaid by d5 before.

I hadn't done the algorithm at that point and realized that we could figure out everyone's slots. I originally only though we could figure out scum's slots.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Mr. Anderson please confirm your prayer again in teal since I have now finished the complete list.

I also request in everyone's first few posts that they confirm their prayer or if they express disagreement that they explain a flaw in the plan.
Failure to do either will be considered as scum as well as if your flaw is addressed and shown why it is wrong or not a flaw and you do not then confirm or express another disagrement.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

If you are referring to my repeat at n6, then it's necessary to keep doing so we know when someone doesn't pray or prays the wrong thing in their slot.

Did I say d6 earlier when referencing the GG point? I just finished doing the algorithim on paper and on excel, i think i might ofsaid by d5 before.

I hadn't done the algorithm at that point and realized that we could figure out everyone's slots. I originally only though we could figure out scum's slots.

Umm I might be slightly confused on this. Okay, the way it works is you pray and god will see your prayer and your number, but obviously wont know who you are (this is the anonymity of it). Now, if each player follows plan. God can see numbers and prayers and group them together. Now say a scum wanted to lie about them performing an action, they essentially compromise a group with an extra prayer happening.

That already shows that someone in that group is lying. Next night everyone again performs their assigned prayer except the liar again, they will not be outed at that moment because everyone else in their group is confirmed.

Now that is unless they take credit for their teammates prayer, in which they have to take credit for all their prayers in order to keep that charade up, otherwise they will soon be outed. Of course this brings problem of their teammate appearing as scum for not praying in his group. Essentially they will be lynched eventually.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Mr. Anderson please confirm your prayer again in teal since I have now finished the complete list.

I also request in everyone's first few posts that they confirm their prayer or if they express disagreement that they explain a flaw in the plan.
Failure to do either will be considered as scum as well as if your flaw is addressed and shown why it is wrong or not a flaw and you do not then confirm or express another disagrement.

/Confirm Forgiveness

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I would also like to reiterate that.
In order for this plan to be guaranteed we must not lynch for the first 2 days.
Please do not pass 51% of votes or get within l-4(4 sinners is largest scum faction) until we reach this point.
Also keep in mind that we start with 7 scum.
It is possible that all 7 would hammer from l-7 in order to force lynches even if it fear that the lynchee is part of another scum faction.


Starting d3, we shall begin lynching confirmed scum.
We are currently guaranteed to win folowing this strategy as far as I can tell.
DO NOT LYNCH.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

2/20 players have confirmed

22hours and 10minutes remain to confirm.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

At d2 please start using /2Confirm __
At d3 please start using /3Confirm ___

etc.

[M-FM David Graham]

Hello everyone, I am a replacement. Is there anything I should know as I read up?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Hello everyone, I am a replacement. Is there anything I should know as I read up?

I have a guaranteed win plan in which everyone prays a certain prayer every night. God determines who are the scum that don't pray or pray improperly from this.

There is a very colourful table above. Look for your name and confirm your prayer like I did a few posts below.

[M-FM David Graham]

I have a guaranteed win plan in which everyone prays a certain prayer every night. God determines who are the scum that don't pray or pray improperly from this.

There is a very colourful table above. Look for your name and confirm your prayer like I did a few posts below.

That doesn't work. God can just be killed is one. I'm semi tired from reading the first few pages but the other thing is that its near impossible to coordinate this no?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

That doesn't work. God can just be killed is one. I'm semi tired from reading the first few pages but the other thing is that its near impossible to coordinate this no?

It's not even hard to coordinate. I made a table and everyhting.
God HAS to live for town wincon.
He's also partially-immortal.( if shot he disguises as a random non-sinful christian)

Plan still stands.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

It's not even hard to coordinate. I made a table and everyhting.
God HAS to live for town wincon.
He's also partially-immortal.( if shot he disguises as a random non-sinful christian)

Plan still stands.

The only coordination required is that God can assign numbers to players via actions and that the 12 non-god townies pray.

Thats not much to ask for via coordination. It's literally copy your actions from table pm it to host.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Any town who doesn't follow a guaranteed plan is playing pro-scum.

The plan doesn't ask for much and says blatantly what you should always do.

[M-FM William Reed]

I would also like to reiterate that.
In order for this plan to be guaranteed we must not lynch for the first 2 days.
Please do not pass 51% of votes or get within l-4(4 sinners is largest scum faction) until we reach this point.
Also keep in mind that we start with 7 scum.
It is possible that all 7 would hammer from l-7 in order to force lynches even if it fear that the lynchee is part of another scum faction.


Starting d3, we shall begin lynching confirmed scum.
We are currently guaranteed to win folowing this strategy as far as I can tell.
DO NOT LYNCH.

see thats the part I can't understand. Sinners can pray for forgiveness anyway.how is that not destroying your plan?

[M-FM William Reed]

If you can find a flaw in this plan I Encourage you too.
Otherwise if you are god or town pretending to be god, you should express agreement if you can find no flaw

Since hte plan is guaranteed if one does not express agreement without finding a flaw in the plan. One is playing directly against a guaranteed town win and is therefore pro-scum.
I cannot stress this enough or the importance of following this plan.

your plan won't find sinners. it will just find Atheists and Antichrist and the satan thing. and it will blow the cover of god for a few times.

I guess I need to think about the plan again , sinsce I think the actions we need to take are important as well.

in actions resolutions praying goes last so I think some actions will force players to get sinful and get forced to pray for forgiveness only.(not sure how that works)

if we just abandon doing our actions for 4 day and everyone get sinned we loose.

I need more reasons that your plan will find scum.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

your plan won't find sinners. it will just find Atheists and Antichrist and the satan thing. and it will blow the cover of god for a few times.

I guess I need to think about the plan again , sinsce I think the actions we need to take are important as well.

in actions resolutions praying goes last so I think some actions will force players to get sinful and get forced to pray for forgiveness only.(not sure how that works)

if we just abandon doing our actions for 4 day and everyone get sinned we loose.

I need more reasons that your plan will find scum.

The moment scum do anything besides praying they are revealed.
Town can only get sinned while praying if they are roleblocked.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If scum are all praying then they can't sin and they all have to be sinful at game end for them to win. They have to sin at some point to meet a prequistie of wincon.

God's cover is blown once and we get 3 guaranteed scum. If a scum counterclaims god then either jesus reveals and says and or we get dichotomy and lynch both god ressurects.

Plan Still Stands.

[M-FM William Reed]

can not sinful people pray for forgiveness?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If scum are all praying then they can't sin and they all have to be sinful at game end for them to win. They have to sin at some point to meet a prequistie of wincon.

God's cover is blown once and we get 3 guaranteed scum. If a scum counterclaims god then either jesus reveals and says and or we get dichotomy and lynch both god ressurects.

Plan Still Stands.

There's a reason why in the setup discussion that this idea was brought up with names instead of numbers on the list god recieves. I have merely came up with this plan to re-add the list of names to the numbers which guarantees town win.

If the sinners do anything they are revealed.
Regardless of if sinners for some reason prayed forever, We would still get 2 scum factions dead and the moment the sinners did anythign but praying they get revealed.
It forces sinners to have no night action or be lynched if we follow your reasoning and guarantees that we kill off 2 scum factions regardless.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

can not sinful people pray for forgiveness?

Yes host answered this.