S-FM:Cold War

[Suntax]

The year is 1958, the Cuban missile crisis yet to be started and the great soviet union not falling but growing.
The soviet peoples celebration from the death of Stalin fell years ago and they are back to the hard toiling in the factory's but at the dead of night a storm with the magnitude never seen by world passes the USSR.

48 Years in the Future President Putin of the Russian Federation sits, speaking with his chair of scientific discovery "President we have been able to Improve the Holographic projection software created by america, here as you can see are 3 US president from the cold war almost real but as you can see with a click of a button they disappear and reappear at your will"
At the same time the same storm that plagued the year of 1958 passes over Moscow"

then when the clock strikes 2.00am other both realms of time the figures rise the times are warped forwards and backwards till just 13 men and women remain standing at the Kremlin door with one goal, take down the opposition and move back to the realms of time they appeared from.




Roles list

Capitalist Scum
President Truman (Godfather)
President Nixon (Consigliere)
JFK (Consort)


Proletariat
Leon Trotsky (Spy+Vigilante)
Vladimir Lenin (Professor+Doctor)
Hidden Communist
Hidden Communist
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)


The Others
Joseph Stalin (serial killer)
Fidel Castro (Arms Dealer)

Possible Communist role:
Sleeper agent,Gulag officer,KGB agent,Anti communist agent,Premier Security Service,Premier's personal 'Entertainment'

Sign-up list
1.Comrade StealthBomber
2.Mushroom (toadette)
3.Lone Russian (yuki)
4.insignificant call center (mikecall)
5.Real Life Viking Gamer (RLVG)
6.Tic Tac ik ak (Ika)
7.Sensational (sen)
8.Crumpetz N' Tea (superjack)
9.Calixy Bar (calix)
10.A shit [numbertwo]
11.The second SunTAX (secondpassing)
12.Iced tea( iced monopoly)
13.Glorious Town leader (Firebringer)

Reserves list
1.Thornholt
2.The Dark Comrade

Day shortcuts

Setup link
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/34079-S-FM-Cold-war

Sending out rolecards
Game starts in 25mins

day end time-48 hours
http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Vladivostok+4%3A00am+4th+January+&x=6&y=7

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[Calix]

Could you put a link to the setup in the opening post please?

I'm voting Firebringer again because his name triggers me. That random 'R' isn't scaled properly ;_;

Firebringer

[RLVG]

1.Comrade StealthBomber
2.Mushroom
3.Lone Russian
4.insignificant call center
5.Real Life Viking Gamer
6.Tic Tac ik ak
7.Sensational
8.Crumpetz N' Tea
9.Calixy Bar
10.A shit [#2]
11.The second SunTAX
12.Iced tea

A new player would be like : WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLEZ

[Suntax]

A new player would be like : WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLEZ

Lol i will put real name ext to each
and calix i will do i was just sending your role cards out

To iced-please allow people to pm you as at this time i am unable to give you your rolecard

[Calix]

A new player would be like : WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLEZ

They wouldn't be wrong. Who the fuck are those losers, lol

While I'm here, time to ask generic questions about the setup:

What role would you want to be and why?

Which heat action would you use as Josef Stalin and why?

What would your strategy be for Fidel Castro?

How would you behave as Anti-Communist Agent/ American Reporter?

How would you behave as Sleeper Agent?

Those were the aspects that stood out to me, anyway. How say you?

[Toadette]

Sure why not

Firebringer

I'll probably be back later tonight or tomorrow, idk this starting today is kinda bad timing

[Firebringer]

A new player would be like : WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLEZ

Who the fuck are you?

[Firebringer]

Sure why not

Firebringer

I'll probably be back later tonight or tomorrow, idk this starting today is kinda bad timing

You won't be back later, don't lie.

[Firebringer]

Could you put a link to the setup in the opening post please?

I'm voting Firebringer again because his name triggers me. That random 'R' isn't scaled properly ;_;

Firebringer

I am voting you because that reasons is shit, all my "r" are scaled appropriately.

Calix

[SuperJack]

Calix

[Firebringer]

Calix

SuperJack, are you with or against the communist party?

[SuperJack]

SuperJack, are you with or against the communist party?

:sheep:

[Firebringer]

:sheep:

That is good to hear comrade superjack.

[SuperJack]

:aieprueipouarpuadf:

[Firebringer]

Has anyone looked at this setup?

The mafia are op as fuck
"Heat Action: Role block all town and others ability"

"Stop all weapons for 1 day and night, does not stop scum roles"

"Give JFK a one shot gun and Nixon a one use vest"

Holy shit they are op as fuck.

[Calix]

I am voting you because that reasons is shit, all my "r" are scaled appropriately.

Calix

I'll add to my scum-factor by offering to unvote on one condition.

How do I change my name's font/ colour? :P

[Calix]

Has anyone looked at this setup?

The mafia are op as fuck
"Heat Action: Role block all town and others ability"

"Stop all weapons for 1 day and night, does not stop scum roles"

"Give JFK a one shot gun and Nixon a one use vest"

Holy shit they are op as fuck.

Pretty much all the heat actions are overpowered. inb4 game ends Day 3.

[SuperJack]

I'll add to my scum-factor by offering to unvote on one condition.

How do I change my name's font/ colour? :P

Admin Abuse.

Only Admins can do it.

Firebringer is being "punished"

[Firebringer]

I'll add to my scum-factor by offering to unvote on one condition.

How do I change my name's font/ colour? :P

You don't. You have to be in a special user group.

Or ask Mikevip, or other admin to do it. But be warned, they are known more for trolling then fulfilling any requests.

[SuperJack]

Aka Drunken New Years Night Aftermath

[Firebringer]

Admin Abuse.

Only Admins can do it.

Firebringer is being "punished"

Yeah, its really not punishment.

Its more punishment to everyone else. They have to start at them lol

[Calix]

Yeah, its really not punishment.

Its more punishment to everyone else. They have to start at them lol

Well you guys answered.

[unvote]

That last 'r' is still getting on my tits though.

[Calix]

*
unvote

Nailed it

[Sen]

'sup, guys?

SuperJack
Long live Arstotzka!

[Firebringer]

'sup, guys?

SuperJack
Long live Arstotzka!

Don't you dare vote for a SuperJack, vote for Toadette or Calix.

[Calix]

Don't you dare vote for a SuperJack, vote for Toadette or Calix.

Oh noes, can't handle the pressure already?

I anticipate a 'witty' and 'scathing' retort, don't you worry. I can probably quote you verbatim by now.

[Sen]

Don't you dare vote for a SuperJack, vote for Toadette or Calix.
Don't you tell me what to do, filthy oppressor.
Workers of the world, unite!

[Sen]

Just read the setup. Holy fuk, I'm too hungover for this madness.

[RLVG]

I LEGIT WANT FIREBRINGERS FONT FOR MY USERNAME FONT

HOLY SHIT IS IT AWZUM


What role would you want to be and why?

Which heat action would you use as Josef Stalin and why?

What would your strategy be for Fidel Castro?

How would you behave as Anti-Communist Agent/ American Reporter?

How would you behave as Sleeper Agent?

1. I want to be American Reporter because their goal is to get rid of the Serial Killer and then survive. Pro-Town Neutral is awesome!

2. I dunno. Finding out a random players role seems a bit gimmicky while the two random player roleblock is much more favorable in terms of not being found. The question is if Stalin would actually do any Heat action, because kills is better than two roleblocks for the Neutral. This makes me want to ask a few things, because their role could be shitty lol.
Are players informed of being roleblocked? - this could lead to it being a shitty ability.
Stalin - NKVD, are they also informed of the player's name?
Can both heat actions for Stalin be performed, or is it a shared single-use ability?

3. Breadcrumb, usual play, say I'm the fucking neutral benign.

4. Usual play.

5. Usual play.



Calix :
How would you play as the Capitalist Scum Godfather?

[RLVG]

What happens if the American Reporter targets Stalin and changes his win condition to Proletariat Wins?
What happens if the American Reporter targets Capitalist Scum?
Can the American Reporter self-target for changing win condition?

[RLVG]

С новым годом

[Calix]

I LEGIT WANT FIREBRINGERS FONT FOR MY USERNAME FONT

HOLY SHIT IS IT AWZUM



1. I want to be American Reporter because their goal is to get rid of the Serial Killer and then survive. Pro-Town Neutral is awesome!

2. I dunno. Finding out a random players role seems a bit gimmicky while the two random player roleblock is much more favorable in terms of not being found. The question is if Stalin would actually do any Heat action, because kills is better than two roleblocks for the Neutral. This makes me want to ask a few things, because their role could be shitty lol.
Are players informed of being roleblocked? - this could lead to it being a shitty ability.
Stalin - NKVD, are they also informed of the player's name?
Can both heat actions for Stalin be performed, or is it a shared single-use ability?

3. Breadcrumb, usual play, say I'm the fucking neutral benign.

4. Usual play.

5. Usual play.



Calix :
How would you play as the Capitalist Scum Godfather?

I appreciate you answering the questions <3

So you think Neutral Benign should claim now then?

As Godfather, I'd play as pro-town as possible whilst coaching my scum buddies to be fairly pro-town as well to ensure that we have control over the lynches. I'd kill all the lurking noobs to sow suspicion among all the active townies and set them up for lynches under the 'too townie to be town' mantra. If I fall under suspicion, I'd make a ridiculous claim to give me a night to not die and then activate my ability to nerf town.

American Reporter changes their own win con, not anyone else's. It's a bit odd that they can't win solely with the mafia though.

[RLVG]

American Reporter changes their own win con, not anyone else's. It's a bit odd that they can't win solely with the mafia though.

I must've misread the role then. I thougth it was to change the role of the other players. OH WELL



Statistically, I think it's best for the American Reporter to turn himself to "Proletariat wins" then, because he becomes CONFIRMED AND UNLYNCHABLE (for 1 day)!!!
Fidel should reveal himself and perform his heat action as early as possible.

[Calix]

I must've misread the role then. I thougth it was to change the role of the other players. OH WELL



Statistically, I think it's best for the American Reporter to turn himself to "Proletariat wins" then, because he becomes CONFIRMED AND UNLYNCHABLE (for 1 day)!!!
Fidel should reveal himself and perform his heat action as early as possible.

Well it says "change HIS/ HER win con to" whatever they want. It would be the optimal choice if Fidel hasn't died, yes.

It depends on who Fidel is, to be honest. They might be of the opinion that town is just too OP for them and decide to scum-side, lol. Guess we'll see which way it swings first.

[Sen]

RLVG, questions for Suntax must be in white.

[Calix]

RLVG, questions for Suntax must be in white.

I like how you're just hungover enough to go O_O at the setup, yet managed to remember that. Clearly you are scum selectively reading the setup /s

[RLVG]

RLVG, questions for Suntax must be in white.

Lol, when I read that, I thought it was he'll answer questions in bold white.

OH WELL

Are players informed of being roleblocked by Stalin?
Stalin - NKVD, are they also informed of the player's name?
Can both heat actions for Stalin be performed, or is it a shared single-use ability?



С новым годом

[Sen]

I like how you're just hungover enough to go O_O at the setup, yet managed to remember that. Clearly you are scum selectively reading the setup /s
Clearly.

[RLVG]

Hey, Sen buddy, how would you play as Joseph Stalin and Fidel Castro?

[Calix]

Clearly.

Fancy answering my questions while you're here in invisible-mode? (another scum tell, I may add)

[RLVG]

Fancy answering my questions while you're here in invisible-mode? (another scum tell, I may add)

OH GOD I'M SCUM

BECAUSE

INVISIBLE-MODE

[Calix]

OH GOD I'M SCUM

BECAUSE

INVISIBLE-MODE

You're always scum, don't lie.

Caps lock is just you feigning outrage to avoid answering my legit accusations.

[Sen]

Hey, Sen buddy, how would you play as Joseph Stalin and Fidel Castro?
Same as always.

Fancy answering my questions while you're here in invisible-mode? (another scum tell, I may add)
Are you scum, or just bad at this?

[Calix]

Are you scum, or just bad at this?

I'm clearly not being serious with the bracketed part.

I will add that you're brushing off the questions and your response to RLVG tells us very little.

[RLVG]

I will add that you're brushing off the questions and your response to RLVG tells us very little.

Ditto. The whole neutral stance of anything is a bit... Hmm!

[Sen]

I will add that you're brushing off the questions and your response to RLVG tells us very little.
No, it simply tells what everyone who's played with me knows; I always play the same, regardless of role. I'd play the same as Stalin or Santa Claus. There's no point in discussing it.

If he meant strategy, well, that's sort of obvious; Castro waits until there's a confirmed town, claims and wins. Stalin has to kill everyone, and everyone wants to kill him, so he's pretty much on his own.

[RLVG]

No, it simply tells what everyone who's played with me knows; I always play the same, regardless of role. I'd play the same as Stalin or Santa Claus. There's no point in discussing it.

Lol, same.

[Calix]

No, it simply tells what everyone who's played with me knows; I always play the same, regardless of role. I'd play the same as Stalin or Santa Claus. There's no point in discussing it.

If he meant strategy, well, that's sort of obvious; Castro waits until there's a confirmed town, claims and wins. Stalin has to kill everyone, and everyone wants to kill him, so he's pretty much on his own.

There's your problem. Half of the players here do not know who you are. They do not know how you play. I'll just state the obvious and say that they'll scumread you for things that you do normally, blah blah blah. I'm prodding you so that they can find out and use this to create accurate reads on you.

He clearly meant 'how would you go about doing XYZ'. Reciting the win conditions isn't a particularly well-thought-out answer.

If your response to this is to say 'well your questions are stupid' then why don't you tell us how you approach Day 1? I already know but you should inform everyone else anyway.

Sen

[Sen]

See, the thing here is that you are under the impression that you can tell me what to do or what to answer to, or that I care at all about your "scumreads".

Sen

[RLVG]

*popcorn*

[Calix]

See, the thing here is that you are under the impression that you can tell me what to do or what to answer to, or that I care at all about your "scumreads".

Sen

You don't care enough that you had to tell me that you don't care? Seems legit.

Oh boy, another 'you can't tell me what to do' player. How this attitude is helpful to town, I will never know. What did you sign up for again?

I'm under the impression that you're being needlessly stubborn over a simple question. Anything else is 'meta'

[RLVG]

Sooo back to the important stuff. I want Firebringer's font.
And I think Sen is going to be soooo targeted tonight based on this discussion.

[Calix]

Sooo back to the important stuff. I want Firebringer's font.


A new player would be like : WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLEZ


С новым годом


Lol, same.


*popcorn*

Just out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to add in these comments? Seems like you're spamming more than the usual.


And I think Sen is going to be soooo targeted tonight based on this discussion.

On what basis?

[Sen]

Let's hope so.

[RLVG]

On what basis?

"Blue" veteran player, supposedly skilled. Haven't been around for ages.
Everyone's going to visit him, may it be out of killing lust, protection or information.
There's also that semi-arrogant behavior.

There's no Mass Murderer, so it's entirely fine.


Just out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to add in these comments? Seems like you're spamming more than the usual.

Reaction testing. I also like when someone ISO me and they're like "OMG LOOK AT THIS BIG AMOUNT OF SPAM".

[Sen]

There's also that semi-arrogant behavior.
Where do you get the "semi" from?

[Calix]

"Blue" veteran player, supposedly skilled. Haven't been around for ages.
Everyone's going to visit him, may it be out of killing lust, protection or information.
There's also that semi-arrogant behavior.

There's no Mass Murderer, so it's entirely fine.



Reaction testing. I also like when someone ISO me and they're like "OMG LOOK AT THIS BIG AMOUNT OF SPAM".

I'm aware that he's been MIA for a few months to the point that quite a few players don't have a clue who he is, hence my questioning. I doubt he would receive that many visitors. He's not that special, unless I'm missed out a game in which he won MVP or something.

You claim reaction-testing after one person responds to it? I think not.

[Sen]

He's not that special, unless I'm missed out a game in which he won MVP or something.
Nah. I'm a noob.

[Calix]

Nah. I'm a noob.

Consistent with your performances across the board. Confirmed town right here.

[RLVG]

You claim reaction-testing after one person responds to it? I think not.

A reaction test in the reaction test, maybe testing to see how quick you are to fire up.


Irrelevant :
Also I'm currently having chocolate confetti, they look pure chocolate, I take a bite, AND THERE'S FUCKING SMARTIES INSIDE OF THEM

[Sen]

Consistent with your performances across the board. Confirmed town right here.
Why are you voting for the confirmed town?

[Calix]

A reaction test in the reaction test, maybe testing to see how quick you are to fire up.


Irrelevant :
Also I'm currently having chocolate confetti, they look pure chocolate, I take a bite, AND THERE'S FUCKING SMARTIES INSIDE OF THEM

From this bullshit reaction-reaction-testing nonsense you pulled out of your arse, what conclusions have you drawn?

[Calix]

Why are you voting for the confirmed town?

I'm Godfather who is fishing for posts to use against you because you are just that much of a threat to my empire right now.

OR you are the most intentionally obtuse person I have ever met. Here's your medal. You can pretend it exists.

[RLVG]

From this bullshit reaction-reaction-testing nonsense you pulled out of your arse, what conclusions have you drawn?

No conclusion so far, other than sparking an early conversation which is the point of Mafia.

Back to serious : What's your opinion about Sleeper Agent and their potential threat?

[Calix]

No conclusion so far, other than sparking an early conversation which is the point of Mafia.

Back to serious : What's your opinion about Sleeper Agent and their potential threat?

Not that threatening.

Firstly, we would need a Sleeper Agent. Chances of that spawning are 2/6? I'm not great with maths so correct me here.

Secondly, they would have to be acting in a way that would make them a potential Night Kill whilst avoiding the Serial Killer.

Thirdly, mafia would have to actively hunt for a role that may not exist. This may be detrimental to their other TPR-hunting (although they could just random it and hit TPRs every night with this setup, lol).

Other than that, it would be disastrous if they were converted late-game due to the information they would have. Not sure how mafia would respond to them revealing prior to conversion though.

Do you think that if Sleeper Agent revealed, mafia would target them? I can see a potential advantage of WIFOMing an attack so that town is suspicious and mislynches them, thus wasting a day for town.

[Calix]

Mikecall, care to contribute at literally any point?

[Stealthbomber16]

Hi.

I'm a sleeper agent.

[RLVG]

Other than that, it would be disastrous if they were converted late-game due to the information they would have. Not sure how mafia would respond to them revealing prior to conversion though.

Do you think that if Sleeper Agent revealed, mafia would target them? I can see a potential advantage of WIFOMing an attack so that town is suspicious and mislynches them, thus wasting a day for town.

If I was the Sleeper Agent and I wanted a cheesed victory, I'd claim the role and wait to get converted by the Mafia. May get lynched, or WIFOM my way out of the situation, but I would be giving the scum team a larger advantage than they started out with.

There's no disadvantage of Mafia visiting them, other than, dundundun - another Sleeper Agent.

With Town mentality, would they want to lynch a Sleeper Agent claimer? Now we're going to the whole "true scotsman" thing, they're lynching a Town after all.



This is probably what Stealthbomber is going for.

[Stealthbomber16]

Or I could be a citizen.

[RLVG]

Or I could be a citizen.

By claiming Sleeper Agent when you're a Citizen, you're actually wasting the time of virtually everyone.

[Stealthbomber16]

By claiming Sleeper Agent when you're a Citizen, you're actually wasting the time of virtually everyone.

Or I could be a Sleeper Agent.

[RLVG]

Or I could be a Sleeper Agent.

Stealthbomber16

[Calix]

Stealthbomber16

RLVG is voting for a claimed town member who can change into mafia. Discuss.

Meanwhile I'm going to respond to that other post and have dinner.

[Firebringer]

I'm Godfather who is fishing for posts to use against you because you are just that much of a threat to my empire right now.

OR you are the most intentionally obtuse person I have ever met. Here's your medal. You can pretend it exists.

The WIFOM in this post is disgusting.

[Firebringer]

Or I could be a Sleeper Agent.

Donald Trump is a sleeper agent? Had no clue.

[Firebringer]

No conclusion so far, other than sparking an early conversation which is the point of Mafia.

Back to serious : What's your opinion about Sleeper Agent and their potential threat?

Sleeper agent is literally not a threat.

[RLVG]

RLVG is voting for a claimed town member who can change into mafia. Discuss.

Meanwhile I'm going to respond to that other post and have dinner.

Stealthbomber is WIFOMing Citizen / Sleeper Agent, and he's the kind of player who is taking these kind of chances. He'll be scum fodder.
Attacks bypass healing for conversation by the looks of it, so virtually only way to keep him off is to sacrifice a bodyguard role - and that won't stop a 2nd attempt of conversion.

[Calix]

If I was the Sleeper Agent and I wanted a cheesed victory, I'd claim the role and wait to get converted by the Mafia. May get lynched, or WIFOM my way out of the situation, but I would be giving the scum team a larger advantage than they started out with.

There's no disadvantage of Mafia visiting them, other than, dundundun - another Sleeper Agent.

With Town mentality, would they want to lynch a Sleeper Agent claimer? Now we're going to the whole "true scotsman" thing, they're lynching a Town after all.



This is probably what Stealthbomber is going for.

I doubt that he is actually Sleeper Agent, seeing as we were just talking about it. It's a so-so strategy for a Citizen.

If there is only one night kill, you can safely assume that the Sleeper Agent was converted and then you can lynch them, so no point lynching them off the bat. Or mafia decided to No-Kill and frame the Sleeper Agent as mafia...because reasons. That seems unlikely since 4 mafia would be powerful.

[Calix]

The WIFOM in this post is disgusting.

There is no WIFOM there. It's all in your head, like most things you see.

[RLVG]

I doubt that he is actually Sleeper Agent, seeing as we were just talking about it. It's a so-so strategy for a Citizen.

If there is only one night kill, you can safely assume that the Sleeper Agent was converted and then you can lynch them, so no point lynching them off the bat. Or mafia decided to No-Kill and frame the Sleeper Agent as mafia...because reasons. That seems unlikely since 4 mafia would be powerful.

Citizen's idea is to be a body to take in bullets, but they shouldn't be so scum we're forced to lynch them just because of something they themselves have said : Being a role that can potentially be a Sleeper Agent.

I don't see it as a towny thing by the Citizen. WIFOMing a potential PR is far greater play than "Lol, I could be the cult".

[RLVG]

Being a role that can potentially be a Capitalist Scum

Fixed. I'm getting high on confetti with FUCKING SMARTIES.

[Firebringer]

Fixed. I'm getting high on confetti with FUCKING SMARTIES.

That sounds fun.

BTW I am claiming Fidel Castro.

I am a Communist friend to you all.

[Calix]

Citizen's idea is to be a body to take in bullets, but they shouldn't be so scum we're forced to lynch them just because of something they themselves have said : Being a role that can potentially be a Capitalist Scum.

I don't see it as a towny thing by the Citizen. WIFOMing a potential PR is far greater play than "Lol, I could be the cult".

But since there would be a lack of a night kill if he was Sleeper Agent, it would be obvious the next day that he had been converted so then we have a free lynch/ night kill for Vigilante. Also, you seem to think he is Sleeper Agent - who is currently town if they exist - or Citizen, so why is your vote there?

Lynching him would be dumb at this point.

[Calix]

That sounds fun.

BTW I am claiming Fidel Castro.

I am a Communist friend to you all.

Let's just take this at face value.

Who are you gunning/ vesting tonight at the moment?

[RLVG]

BTW I am claiming Fidel Castro.

ANY COUNTERCLAIMS?!

Welcome to the party bro.

Inb4 you give 1-use gun to the killers, making the action useless.

Do us a favor and just give everyone a 1-use vest. Less kills, more evidence collecting VS scum.

[Firebringer]

Let's just take this at face value.

Who are you gunning/ vesting tonight at the moment?

I am giving a vest to SuperJack because he is my comrade in this "capitalist" dog game.

[Calix]

I am giving a vest to SuperJack because he is my comrade in this "capitalist" dog game.

I second RLVG that you should give out vests and no guns.

[RLVG]

I am giving a vest to SuperJack because he is my comrade in this "capitalist" dog game.

And then Capitalists or Stalin kills SuperJack and your vest was useless because it had no use.

Just hide this information.

[Calix]

I've just noticed that there only seems to be one role (KGB Agent) that starts off with anything close to immunity. Interesting.

[ika]

2 pages already.....

[RLVG]

After looking at the setup, I just figured out what may be the Night 1 scenario.

President Truman uses his Heat Action, roleblocking all Town, I'm not sure what "others" are, if it means also the Neutral - or his buddies too.
President Nixon will snoop for information.
JFK will do the night killing.



If Stealthbomber is really Sleeper Agent and they decide to "poke" him, then there's nothing we can do to stop it.

[Calix]

After looking at the setup, I just figured out what may be the Night 1 scenario.

President Truman uses his Heat Action, roleblocking all Town, I'm not sure what "others" are, if it means also the Neutral - or his buddies too.
President Nixon will snoop for information.
JFK will do the night killing.



If Stealthbomber is really Sleeper Agent and they decide to "poke" him, then there's nothing we can do to stop it.

"Others" refers to the Neutral Killing/ Benign.

You're still forgetting the 'LACK OF NIGHT KILL = 100% CONFIRMED CONVERSION AND DAY 1 2.0 ONLY WITH SLIGHTLY MORE INFORMATION' factor, meaning they lose their free member. Mafia would not risk No Killing just to lynch a potential gambiting Citizen.

[Calix]

"Others" refers to the Neutral Killing/ Benign.

You're still forgetting the 'LACK OF NIGHT KILL = 100% CONFIRMED CONVERSION AND DAY 1 2.0 ONLY WITH SLIGHTLY MORE INFORMATION' factor, meaning they lose their free member. Mafia would not risk No Killing just to lynch a potential gambiting Citizen.

Furthermore, if he turns out to be Sleeper Agent, not only is it a huge waste of time and anti-scum, but town knows for sure what the first Hidden TPR slot is.

[Sen]

If Stealthbomber is really Sleeper Agent and they decide to "poke" him, then there's nothing we can do to stop it.

There's a small chance oof preventing it; there are 3 roles that can block Truman before his heat action takes effect. This would in turn allow everybody else's actions to go through.

[Firebringer]

This setup basically has best thing for all scum to do is use heat abilities right away.

[Calix]

2 pages already.....

@ika, any initial thoughts on the setup or players?

[Calix]

This setup basically has best thing for all scum to do is use heat abilities right away.

Would be inconvenient for town for a day.

JFK would most definitely activate tonight.

Nixon might wait until he knows that town members want to shoot someone. I doubt he would activate tonight.

Truman can go either way.

[RLVG]

Furthermore, if he turns out to be Sleeper Agent, not only is it a huge waste of time and anti-scum, but town knows for sure what the first Hidden TPR slot is.

It gives the Capitalist Scum an advantage by "eliminating" a single Town while no one progresses any - and the Capitalist Scum also has gained Informative clues regarding the players.
Since the Sleeper Agent is lynched afterwards, he'll flip a Mafioso which is the most useless Capitalist Scum role and easily expendable.

There's 4 Citizen, so the less PR, the more they can hide as Citizen claimers.

[Calix]

Also I don't know which colours he wants for questions so I'll do both.

Does 'The Doctrine' only last for a night or does it last every night after it's activated?

Does 'The Doctrine' only last for a night or does it last every night after it's activated?

Because if it's the latter, TPRs are useless from Night 2.

[RLVG]

Wait a fucking minute.


Heat Action:- No Ballistics, Stops all weapons for 1 day and night, does not stop Scum roles. (1)

We got Dayshot? Who can Dayshoot?
Otherwise, what's the point of naming day in this scenario?

[Calix]

It gives the Capitalist Scum an advantage by "eliminating" a single Town while no one progresses any - and the Capitalist Scum also has gained Informative clues regarding the players.
Since the Sleeper Agent is lynched afterwards, he'll flip a Mafioso which is the most useless Capitalist Scum role and easily expendable.

There's 4 Citizen, so the less PR, the more they can hide as Citizen claimers.

Killing a single town by the end of Day 2 is the same as killing on a usual night. In fact, they lower the KPN if they decide to roleblock the Serial Killer on top of that. The only difference with converting Stealth (assuming he was not trolling/ WIFOMing his role) is that town has been given more time to talk and scumhunt, which is detrimental to the mafia if the time is used well.

That's when we pressure all the citizen claims and see how they react. It's not all about the night actions.

[RLVG]

Joseph Stalin : Kill one player at night.

Leon Trotsky : Can shoot and kill a player. (No mention of day or night)

Capitalist scum : Factional Night Kill.

JFK / Fidel Castro has the ability to gain a gun, which also doesn't mention either day or night.



So theory : JFK / Fidel and Leon are those who can Dayshoot.

[ika]

hmmm....

page one give me good vibes about calix

sen

[Sen]

We need to aim for a Capitalist lynch today. Else we're rekt.

inb4 a "no shit, Sherlock", I don't mean that it would make the game more difficult for the Proletariat; in the worst scenario, the Capitalists would win after a single night.

[Yukitaka Oni]

>)o.o)>U popcorn....

[Firebringer]

>)o.o)^

[RLVG]

>)o.o)>U popcorn....

Is the context related to my *popcorn* post? Is it your popcorn? WHAT'S THE CONTEXT, COMRAD



Yuki... Yuki never changes.

[Calix]

We need to aim for a Capitalist lynch today. Else we're rekt.

inb4 a "no shit, Sherlock", I don't mean that it would make the game more difficult for the Proletariat; in the worst scenario, the Capitalists would win after a single night.

I know I may trigger your allergy to questions, but what are your current suspects for the mafia?

[RLVG]

>)o.o)^

Also, Firebringer, I want your god damn font. I'll trade it for my rainbows!!!



We need to aim for a Capitalist lynch today. Else we're rekt.

I'd like to hear your version of why exactly we're rekt. In detail.

[Sen]

I know I may trigger your allergy to questions, but what are your current suspects for the mafia?
Too soon to tell. Half of the players haven't come to say hi, half of the comments are spam -which could be a scumtell when paired with other things, but says nothing by itself-, and the rest of the conversation has been nothing but setup stuff and fail WIFOM.

I'm gonna get a beer. Let's get this party started.

[Calix]

Too soon to tell. Half of the players haven't come to say hi, half of the comments are spam -which could be a scumtell when paired with other things, but says nothing by itself-, and the rest of the conversation has been nothing but setup stuff and fail WIFOM.

I'm gonna get a beer. Let's get this party started.

Good. I eagerly await your half-drunken contributions to the conversation.

Discuss wherever that was said sincerely or not, students.

[RLVG]

I'm gonna get a beer. Let's get this party started.

-50 DKP, the party has already started.

Personally, who would you pick for the Gulag?

[Sen]

I'd like to hear your version of why exactly we're rekt. In detail.

I'm not gonna give details, since that would pretty much equal giving the Capitalists a game plan for tonight.

That said, failing to lynch a Capitalist today could result in Town not having enough votes by tomorrow, and leaving everything on the hands of the PRs -who might not even get kill abilities- and the Neutrals.

[Sen]

Personally, who would you pick for the Gulag?
Same answer I gave to Calix. Picking targets at this point it would be nothing but a shot in the dark.

[RLVG]

I'm not gonna give details, since that would pretty much equal giving the Capitalists a game plan for tonight.

What advantage are you in compared to the Capitalists by holding this information? You don't think the Capitalists can figure out things by themselves?
This is quite cellshading, unless it's a fraudian slip.

[Calix]

I'm not gonna give details, since that would pretty much equal giving the Capitalists a game plan for tonight.

That said, failing to lynch a Capitalist today could result in Town not having enough votes by tomorrow, and leaving everything on the hands of the PRs -who might not even get kill abilities- and the Neutrals.

Anyone can gather the 'mislynch, 2 town-targeted night kill' plan. Which is why it's good to pressure players to see how they react.

Neutrals would probably vote. Fidel has outed himself, assuming Firebringer is being honest. Serial Killer is kind of town-aligned by force at the moment if they kill a town tonight.

Using this logic you propose, do you think that Capitalists would be a threat if Firebringer was lynched today? Some detail here would be good as well, seeing as you mentioned that you feared town reliance on neutrals.

[Calix]

Anyone can gather the 'mislynch, 2 town-targeted night kill' plan. Which is why it's good to pressure players to see how they react.

Neutrals would probably vote. Fidel has outed himself, assuming Firebringer is being honest. Serial Killer is kind of town-aligned by force at the moment if they kill a town tonight.

Using this logic you propose, do you think that Capitalists would be a threat if Firebringer was lynched today? Some detail here would be good as well, seeing as you mentioned that you feared town reliance on neutrals.

*as much of a threat

Obviously they are powerful as all hell.

[Sen]

What advantage are you in compared to the Capitalists by holding this information? You don't think the Capitalists can figure out things by themselves?
It's not an advantage to me, but giving that information would be an advantage to them.
And perhaps the can, perhaps they don't. Whatever the case, I'm not gonna be the one who makes it easier for them.

[RLVG]

It's not an advantage to me, but giving that information would be an advantage to them.
And perhaps the can, perhaps they don't. Whatever the case, I'm not gonna be the one who makes it easier for them.

It's official.

Sen is calling the Capitalist Scum too stupid to think of their own strategies, thus not sharing his information as it would educate them to be smart.

[Sen]

Using this logic you propose, do you think that Capitalists would be a threat if Firebringer was lynched today? Some detail here would be good as well, seeing as you mentioned that you feared town reliance on neutrals.
They would probably be slightier less threatening without Fidel in the game -implying that Fidel would help them if he stays alive and they seem like the best bet-. That said, aiming for a non-counterclaimed Neutral instead of trying to get a Capitalist is a shitty strategy.

[RLVG]

Why does the Win Condition of the American Reporte involve Fidel Castro if they can't both be in the same setup?

[Sen]

It's official.

Sen is calling the Capitalist Scum too stupid to think of their own strategies, thus not sharing his information as it would educate them to be smart.
What are they gonna do? Shoot me?

[Sen]

RLVG, Anti-Communist Agent converts into the American Reporter if attacked by Capitalists.

[Calix]

They would probably be slightier less threatening without Fidel in the game -implying that Fidel would help them if he stays alive and they seem like the best bet-. That said, aiming for a non-counterclaimed Neutral instead of trying to get a Capitalist is a shitty strategy.

It would be a 'we think the main lynch targets we've pressured are likely town, let's fall back on claimed neutral' backup plan. Let's see how Firebringer acts before we make it a final decision first.

@RLVG, I don't like how little you seem to be familiar with the setup O.o

[RLVG]

RLVG, Anti-Communist Agent converts into the American Reporter if attacked by Capitalists.

Oh, I thought the Sleeper Agent was the only one who could get converted.
Everything makes sense now.

[RLVG]

@RLVG, I don't like how little you seem to be familiar with the setup O.o

Spoiler : I didn't read the setup until it started.

[Calix]

There are currently 4 users browsing this thread. (3 members and 1 guests)
Calix, Mikecall+

Mikecall has yet to talk once, yet has lurked for hours.

I am starting to think that he may be a possible scum who doesn't know how to enter properly. He likes to play passively whenever he's mafia.

[Sen]

ika, any follow-up on that sheep post?
I'm all for voting Sen 2016, but a vote with no love is no vote at all.

[RLVG]

I am starting to think that he may be a possible scum who doesn't know how to enter properly. He likes to play passively whenever he's mafia.

"Meta is a bad tool to use during the first day." - Albert Einstein

[ika]

if i told you it nothing more then guts for a vote on you would you belive me?

like i get your calcualted and near emotionless but here it jsut feels..... off, like your not doing it in a town mindset

[ika]

RLVG never dicount meta.

i had an offsite game where i lynched scum day 1 off meta

[Calix]

"Meta is a bad tool to use during the first day." - Albert Einstein

It's a well-established trait with Mikey. He's admitted to it himself and he has done it in every single game that I've seen where he's been mafia. If you want, I can list off the games where he's done it. My memory is fucking stupid like that.

[Calix]

if i told you it nothing more then guts for a vote on you would you belive me?

like i get your calcualted and near emotionless but here it jsut feels..... off, like your not doing it in a town mindset

Isn't gut reaction and instinct your usual playstyle anyway?

[Sen]

if i told you it nothing more then guts for a vote on you would you belive me?
I would, but it would be the shittiest reason ever. Like if you told me I shouldn't drink because I'm going to hell, and not because my liver is not night immune.

[RLVG]

RLVG never dicount meta.

i had an offsite game where i lynched scum day 1 off meta

It's still a bad tool to use and doesn't work all the time. Good job using it correctly!


It's a well-established trait with Mikey. He's admitted to it himself and he has done it in every single game that I've seen where he's been mafia. If you want, I can list off the games where he's done it. My memory is fucking stupid like that.

Nah, I believe you.

[RLVG]

The thing with Meta is that it can be adjusted. For the lolz, when I first joined Mafia, my meta was that I would never lie at all, 6 games later after they got "used" to it - I switched it and lied all the time and almost won.

#hillarity

[Sen]

Anyway. So I take it you're keeping your vote on me, because guts, effectively making it an idle vote for the rest of the day, since I'm not getting lynched. How does that benefit the town, since you're so preocupied about this supposed "town mindset"?

You vote without logical reasons, and don't even invite others to vote me (or to make the reasons up for you). A puppy dies everytime you do that. Do you like hurting puppies?

[SuperJack]

:sheep:

[Yukitaka Oni]

>)o.o)^
>)o.o)^ ^(o.o(v Hi!

[Sen]

*click the sheep plenty o times, expecting it to explode*

Hello, SuperJack. Are you scum, mate?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Is the context related to my *popcorn* post? Is it your popcorn? WHAT'S THE CONTEXT, COMRAD



Yuki... Yuki never changes.
War.....war never change >)x.o)v (metal gear solid)

[RLVG]

*click the sheep plenty o times, expecting it to explode*

YOU ME 1V1 WARCRAFT 3 HUMANS NO TOWERS



I'm expecting Yuki to be super Large Ham.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Ya all bunch of cyka need Yuki to lead the game >)o.o)v!
Today is a good day comrade, The great Stalin is going to visit me and give me a free ticket to Siberia v(o.o(<
Meanwhile the Capitalist dog know that money can't match against my loyalty to the great Mother Russia v(o.o)^ so they decided to shoot me instead.
And the great Cheka is going to have a nice drink Vodka with me (comrade, Finland vodka is new, we should try it >)o.o)v v(o.o(v
The great leader Lenin is going to give me a medal for being a great worker v)o.o)^!
In Soviet Russia. Town kill mafia v(o.o(<

[Yukitaka Oni]

:aieprueipouarpuadf:
Good meme sir, now close it >)o.o)v

[Sen]

Let's see if if works like with Candyman.
Mikecall
Mikecall
Mikecall
Mikecall
Mikecall

[Sen]

Yukitaka, any reason for replying and quoting all the shitposts you can find while ignoring everything else?

[RLVG]

Sen, Yuki is a complete troll with weird logic and weird "Large Ham" tendensies. >0.o>

I still don't know what Yuki is. He? She? It? They called itself He, but another time She. Such an Andro.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Sen, Yuki is a complete troll with weird logic and weird "Large Ham" tendensies. >0.o>

I still don't know what Yuki is. He? She? It? They called itself He, but another time She. Such an Andro.
Sh..... >)o.o)v in Soviet Russia, logic understand us

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yukitaka, any reason for replying and quoting all the shitposts you can find while ignoring everything else?
Shhhhh. In Soviet Russia. <(o.o(v you understand me

[Sen]

I see.

Well, we should get a train started. We have a day and some more to get as much information as possible, and to come up with a suitable lynch target.

My votes on Mikecall made him disappear after he was lurking for hours. WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?

[Calix]

I feel like the following track of vote counts will be useful for wagonomics and shit.

Sen, I have bad news for you. This site meta for Day 1 is still as shitty as it was when you left. I appreciate that you are now trying though.

Sen (2 [L-5]):
Calix (believes his refusal to answer initial questions is scummy), ika ('good vibes' about Calix, thinks Sen is too 'emotionless')
Firebringer (1 [L-6]):
Toadette (followed Calix's troll vote, probably in an attempt to pressure)
Calix (2 [L-5]):
Firebringer (response to Calix's opening troll vote), SuperJack (sheep vote)
Mikecall (1 [L-6]):
Sen (presumably because of lurking)
Stealthbomber16 (1 [L-6]):
RLVG (on account of Stealth 'WIFOMing' Sleeper Agent/ Citizen')

[RLVG]

Sh..... >)o.o)v in Soviet Russia, logic understand us

God damn non-binary panquintomnisexual being.

[Firebringer]

I see.

Well, we should get a train started. We have a day and some more to get as much information as possible, and to come up with a suitable lynch target.

My votes on Mikecall made him disappear after he was lurking for hours. WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?

That he is vote shy?

[Calix]

I see.

Well, we should get a train started. We have a day and some more to get as much information as possible, and to come up with a suitable lynch target.

My votes on Mikecall made him disappear after he was lurking for hours. WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?

It means he is being shy again. Most unlike him.

[Firebringer]

I feel like the following track of vote counts will be useful for wagonomics and shit.

Sen, I have bad news for you. This site meta for Day 1 is still as shitty as it was when you left. I appreciate that you are now trying though.

Sen (2 [L-5]):
Calix (believes his refusal to answer initial questions is scummy), ika ('good vibes' about Calix, thinks Sen is too 'emotionless')
Firebringer (1 [L-6]):
Toadette (followed Calix's troll vote, probably in an attempt to pressure)
Calix (2 [L-5]):
Firebringer (response to Calix's opening troll vote), SuperJack (sheep vote)
Mikecall (1 [L-6]):
Sen (presumably because of lurking)
Stealthbomber16 (1 [L-6]):
RLVG (on account of Stealth 'WIFOMing' Sleeper Agent/ Citizen')

I like the term "wagonomics"

Mind if I still that for future games?

[Firebringer]

Sen is going into "try hard" town.

Or at least thats the impression he wants to give off.

[Calix]

I like the term "wagonomics"

Mind if I still that for future games?

Sure, I picked it up from another site.

While you're here, a) I'm sad your name is back to normal and b) thoughts on the Glorious Town Chat so far?

What about Sen gives you them pseudo 'try hard' vibes?

[Sen]

Sen is going into "try hard" town.

Or at least thats the impression I want you to think he wants to give off.
FTFY.

[Yukitaka Oni]

I feel like the following track of vote counts will be useful for wagonomics and shit.

Sen, I have bad news for you. This site meta for Day 1 is still as shitty as it was when you left. I appreciate that you are now trying though.

Sen (2 [L-5]):
Calix (believes his refusal to answer initial questions is scummy), ika ('good vibes' about Calix, thinks Sen is too 'emotionless')
Firebringer (1 [L-6]):
Toadette (followed Calix's troll vote, probably in an attempt to pressure)
Calix (2 [L-5]):
Firebringer (response to Calix's opening troll vote), SuperJack (sheep vote)
Mikecall (1 [L-6]):
Sen (presumably because of lurking)
Stealthbomber16 (1 [L-6]):
RLVG (on account of Stealth 'WIFOMing' Sleeper Agent/ Citizen')
No one can vote me >)o.o)v

[Yukitaka Oni]

War.....war never change >)x.o)v (metal gear solid)
It's communist, we share popcorn comrade >)o.o)>U<(o.o(<

[RLVG]

a) I'm sad your name is back to normal

But it was glorious! I was quite jealous.
Maybe I killed it off... *innocent whistling*



Serious question : Will Yuki eventually behave normal? I'm a bit afraid of having Her near the endgame for Her weirdness. Not really a good "Town Image".

[Yukitaka Oni]

But it was glorious! I was quite jealous.
Maybe I killed it off... *innocent whistling*



Serious question : Will Yuki eventually behave normal? I'm a bit afraid of having Her near the endgame for Her weirdness. Not really a good "Town Image".
In Soviet Russia, Yuki is confirmed town/sheriff v(o.o(<

[Calix]

But it was glorious! I was quite jealous.
Maybe I killed it off... *innocent whistling*



Serious question : Will Yuki eventually behave normal? I'm a bit afraid of having Her near the endgame for Her weirdness. Not really a good "Town Image".

No worries. We have a guaranteed Vigilante in the game.

[Yukitaka Oni]

No worries. We have a guaranteed Vigilante in the game.
And i have the power to jail/check you v)o.o)>

[Sen]

This game is fucked up. The usual day 1 nonsense is detrimental for Town on this setup.
Abandon all hope.

[Yukitaka Oni]

This game is fucked up. The usual day 1 nonsense is detrimental for Town on this setup.
Abandon all hope.
In Soviet Russia, hope abandon you >)o.o)v

[Calix]

This game is fucked up. The usual day 1 nonsense is detrimental for Town on this setup.
Abandon all hope.

I feel like you are overreacting/ pretending to give up a little bit after being confronted with 1/2 players trolling, especially when you have the rest trying to solve the game.

Have you played with Yuki before?

[Yukitaka Oni]

I feel like you are overreacting/ pretending to give up a little bit after being confronted with 1/2 players trolling, especially when you have the rest trying to solve the game.

Have you played with Yuki before?
Hyet v(o.o(<

[Yukitaka Oni]

Hyet v(o.o(<
Nyet*

[Sen]

I feel like you are overreacting/ pretending to give up a little bit after being confronted with 1/2 players trolling, especially when you have the rest trying to solve the game.

Have you played with Yuki before?

How are the rest "trying to solve the game"? The setup isn't a puzzle; the only way to solve anything is by scumhunting, which isn't really possible when half of the players don't participate, vote at random "because guts", spam because that's what they do, or simply post sheeps. This is usually countered by night actions, but in this case night actions are worthless, since there's a good chance that the town is fucked beyond hope by day 2 -implying that we don't get a good lynch today-.

And no, I was away for a bit over a year, so I don't know any of the new players.

[Firebringer]

Sure, I picked it up from another site.

While you're here, a) I'm sad your name is back to normal and b) thoughts on the Glorious Town Chat so far?

What about Sen gives you them pseudo 'try hard' vibes?

Sen could be town, I can see him really trying in a few posts, but what worries me is with a few votes on him he kind of kicked it up a notch or two. And his effort could be just to stay alive. By giving town plenty of reasons not to lynch him.

Don't know if I want to lynch him today though, theres other players I want to get to be more active and talk to before I decide who I am going to hardcore push to get lynched.


FTFY.

You realize I am neutral right? Like I have no hidden agenda. Everything I say comes from my perception of wanting to lynch the scum and end game faster.

So your telling me I am trying to paint you as scummy, is laughable.

[Calix]

How are the rest "trying to solve the game"? The setup isn't a puzzle; the only way to solve anything is by scumhunting, which isn't really possible when half of the players don't participate, vote at random "because guts", spam because that's what they do, or simply post sheeps. This is usually countered by night actions, but in this case night actions are worthless, since there's a good chance that the town is fucked beyond hope by day 2 -implying that we don't get a good lynch today-.

And no, I was away for a bit over a year, so I don't know any of the new players.

It's a turn of phrase that some other sites use. Solve the game as in, solve what roles belong to what players, night actions, etc.

A lot of this is because Day 1 is commonly used to troll. I don't appreciate it, but it still happens every fucking game. When some of the other players show up (Toadette, Iced, etc) I hope the discussion will get better.

Since Yuki joined in 2014, I couldn't discount the possibility. You've definitely played with ika before, however. His playstyle has shifted towards serial lurking, just to let you know.

[Firebringer]

But it was glorious! I was quite jealous.
Maybe I killed it off... *innocent whistling*



Serious question : Will Yuki eventually behave normal? I'm a bit afraid of having Her near the endgame for Her weirdness. Not really a good "Town Image".

Yuki will always be....Yuki. Good or bad unfortunately we can't change him.

[Firebringer]

This is the pool of players I want to lynch out of right now:

Iced Monopoly, secondpassing, mikecall.

All of them need to be more active and give thoughts on everyone.

Everyone should have a reads list by the end of the day.

[Sen]

You realize I am neutral right? Like I have no hidden agenda. Everything I say comes from my perception of wanting to lynch the scum and end game faster.

So your telling me I am trying to paint you as scummy, is laughable.
True Neutral only means that you win with anyone, not that you are impartial to the other teams.

You can't paint me as scummy. You said that I think something, and unless you can read minds, that's nothing but an opinion, which you present as a fact, thus, trying to make others believe that your opinion is my agenda, or as I stated; thats the impression you want them to think I want to give off.

[Calix]

Sen could be town, I can see him really trying in a few posts, but what worries me is with a few votes on him he kind of kicked it up a notch or two. And his effort could be just to stay alive. By giving town plenty of reasons not to lynch him.

Don't know if I want to lynch him today though, theres other players I want to get to be more active and talk to before I decide who I am going to hardcore push to get lynched.



You realize I am neutral right? Like I have no hidden agenda. Everything I say comes from my perception of wanting to lynch the scum and end game faster.

So your telling me I am trying to paint you as scummy, is laughable.

Speaking of votes, since I've removed my troll vote from you, do you still stand by your vote on me? If so, why?

This game has only been active for a few hours. I think it's easy to forget that with the high post count. No doubt others will be active as timezones permit them to be.

Agreed that his participation went up after ika voted him.

[RLVG]

You can't paint me as scummy. You said that I think something, and unless you can read minds, that's nothing but an opinion, which you present as a fact, thus, trying to make others believe that your opinion is my agenda, or as I stated; thats the impression you want them to think I want to give off.

Isn't this pretty much what a Strawman is?

[Firebringer]

I wish I had stronger opinion on RLVG too, he just seems so Neutral, which is funny because I am Neutral.

RLVG, you with the russians or what man?
Who is your top town read right now and scum read?

[Sen]

Also, while it would be a risky gamble, there's always the chance that you aren't Stalin, but scum trying to siding him with you by offering protection (by acting as him), while also making a counterclaim dangerous, placing the real Stalin in a position where he could get mislynched.

A slim chance, but noone is confirmed as anything at this point.

[Sen]

Also, while it would be a risky gamble, there's always the chance that you aren't Castro(...)
Fixed. Got the wrong dictator.

[RLVG]

Who is your top town read right now and scum read?

I'd argue that Calix is the towniest read at the moment by the contribution and discussion while not setting of any red flags.

IT ISN'T YOU

[Firebringer]

Also, while it would be a risky gamble, there's always the chance that you aren't Stalin, but scum trying to siding him with you by offering protection (by acting as him), while also making a counterclaim dangerous, placing the real Stalin in a position where he could get mislynched.

A slim chance, but noone is confirmed as anything at this point.

Insane theory, and noted.

Also its "Fidel Castro" not Stalin.
Anyways, unless you truly think that. I am pretty sure we can assume for at least today I am who I say I am.

[Calix]

Also, while it would be a risky gamble, there's always the chance that you aren't Stalin, but scum trying to siding him with you by offering protection (by acting as him), while also making a counterclaim dangerous, placing the real Stalin in a position where he could get mislynched.

A slim chance, but noone is confirmed as anything at this point.

Anyone who outed as a counterclaimer to Firebringer would most certainly get him lynched. Scum would not bother doing that.

[RLVG]

Anyone who outed as a counterclaimer to Firebringer would most certainly get him lynched. Scum would not bother doing that.

Inb4 WIFOM-Citizen who thinks "Better get a Neutral lynched at all costs" and counterclaims.

[Firebringer]

Inb4 WIFOM-Citizen who thinks "Better get a Neutral lynched at all costs" and counterclaims.

I like neutrals though, why would I do some dumb ploy to get one lynched?

[Firebringer]

Ohhh wait you are saying someone else CCs me.

[Calix]

Ohhh wait you are saying someone else CCs me.

Yes.

If I decided to counter you, for instance, you would die. No two shakes about that.

[RLVG]

I like neutrals though, why would I do some dumb ploy to get one lynched?

Fraudian slip?

[Firebringer]

Actually now that I think about it, I want to pressure Stealthbomber.

I think we may have easier time sorting him than the other players right now.

Stealthbomber16

Your town leader commands you all to sheep this vote.

[Calix]

Actually now that I think about it, I want to pressure Stealthbomber.

I think we may have easier time sorting him than the other players right now.

Stealthbomber16

Your town leader commands you all to sheep this vote.

I prefer to pressure the people who are actually here first, then leave votes when you leave so that they can respond when they decide to appear.

[Mikecall]

Actually now that I think about it, I want to pressure Stealthbomber.

I think we may have easier time sorting him than the other players right now.

Stealthbomber16

Your town leader commands you all to sheep this vote.

Town Leader o.o, I thought that was Calix.

Also Sorry For The Lurking, Just seeing if there was any slips that I could of pointed out.

Before I go looking through the nice posts, any questions you like to ask, will get back to them once i reread any inconsistent posts.

[Sen]

I'll keep mine on Mikecall for now, and I'd like more for pressure; he's lurking again, not a single post so far.
I don't like people who try to fly under the radar; only scum benefits from silence.

[RLVG]

I think Firebringer made a strange slip regarding his alignment. His response regarding "why would I CC to get one lynched" which is almost plural, hinting that he might not exactly be a Neutral, before he understood that it was someone to CC him. It's an interesting note.

[Sen]

Nevermind. There he is. It seems the Candyman trick worked after all.

[Firebringer]

Town Leader o.o, I thought that was Calix.

Also Sorry For The Lurking, Just seeing if there was any slips that I could of pointed out.

Before I go looking through the nice posts, any questions you like to ask, will get back to them once i reread any inconsistent posts.

Questions:

1) What do you think of Sen?

2) Any parts of setup you find interesting?

3) Top town read?

4) Top scum read?

5) What do you think of my claim?

[Mikecall]

I'll keep mine on Mikecall for now, and I'd like more for pressure; he's lurking again, not a single post so far.
I don't like people who try to fly under the radar; only scum benefits from silence.

Dont worry, the first lurking was just seeing what others would of pointed out, now its discussion.

So Sen, seeming you got the vote on me, any questions you want to ask me :).

[Firebringer]

I think Firebringer made a strange slip regarding his alignment. His response regarding "why would I CC to get one lynched" which is almost plural, hinting that he might not exactly be a Neutral, before he understood that it was someone to CC him. It's an interesting note.

Its called a "Freudian" not a Fraudian slip.

And you can chose to believe what you want, just know I am not a capitalist.

[Calix]

Town Leader o.o, I thought that was Calix.

Also Sorry For The Lurking, Just seeing if there was any slips that I could of pointed out.

Before I go looking through the nice posts, any questions you like to ask, will get back to them once i reread any inconsistent posts.

1. Answer the questions that I left on the first page. You can find them yourself.

2. Answer Firebringer.

3. Respond to my accusations about your scum meta.

4. Initial impressions of the players who have talked so far.

[RLVG]

And you can chose to believe what you want, just know I am not a capitalist.

It's not that I chose to believe what I want, but that I read it from you. You ping the scumdar to me.

[Firebringer]

It's not that I chose to believe what I want, but that I read it from you. You ping the scumdar to me.

Thats interesting, so do you think that one of the lurkers who hasn't posted is actually Neutral? Or....what?

[Sen]

So Sen, seeming you got the vote on me, any questions you want to ask me :).
My vote was to try and make you appear, since we need this day to be as active as possible.
I don't know if you have got to that part yet, but the game might very well be decided today.

I don't have specific questions right now. I just want activity.

SuperJack

[Calix]

Thats interesting, so do you think that one of the lurkers who hasn't posted is actually Neutral? Or....what?

That's the implication, yes.

[Firebringer]

Here is my read list so far:

Town
(SuperJack)
(Sen)
(Toadette)
(RLVG)
(Mikecall)
(Ika, Secondpassing, Iced Monopoly)
Calix
Stealthbomber16
Scum

[Firebringer]

Most of that isn't set in stone, and most of it isn't strong, probably will change quite a bit as we go forward.

[Mikecall]

Questions:

1) What do you think of Sen?

2) Any parts of setup you find interesting?

3) Top town read?

4) Top scum read?

5) What do you think of my claim?

1. First game for the year it seems, so he doesnt know what most of us playstyles are like. At the moment, he is constantly trying to scum hunt any roles and get an active discussion going. Very town like.

2. Its an interesting setup, overall, I think with having a Serial Killer, Godfather combo who can kill each night, it is interesting that it would be going putting the information we get + scumhunt in order to lynch the evil scum.

3. At the moment, Calix, just because she went straight into putting pressure on people. However, she is just using the same tactic she used on me before, gives the biggest town read.

4. At the moment, Stealthbomber with that sleeper agent and citizen soft claim, maybe Stealthbomber could of trolled quite a bit at the beginning of the game, however, it still rings scum in my eyes with that softclaim. Best option today would be pressuring stealth and see what reactions he gets from it.

5. Very early reveal to pick out, you could turn either direction with scum or town leaning for the victory since you could give guns out to all the evils and try to act out like you gave it to an average town lead. But its interesting to see really.

[RLVG]

Why is Calix and Stealthbomber16 without (this)?
Why is Ika together with Secondpassing and Iced Monopoly when he has posted unlike them?
Toadette and Mikecall's position in the lst don't make too much sense either.

It's okay to have a NULL read, y'know.

[Calix]

Here is my read list so far:

Town
(SuperJack)
(Sen)
(Toadette)
(RLVG)
(Mikecall)
(Ika, Secondpassing, Iced Monopoly)
Calix
Stealthbomber16
Scum

May I ask why I'm the second-scummiest to you?

How is SuperJack the most town?

Why is Toadette third-towniest after one post?

[Calix]

I feel like Firebringer made up that list on the spot with no thought whatsoever.

He will probably claim 'reaction test' now or go 'lol don't take it seriously' or say 'I said it isn't set in stone'

[Firebringer]

I feel like Firebringer made up that list on the spot with no thought whatsoever.

He will probably claim 'reaction test' now or go 'lol don't take it seriously' or say 'I said it isn't set in stone'

All reads list are made up.

[Firebringer]

May I ask why I'm the second-scummiest to you?

How is SuperJack the most town?

Why is Toadette third-towniest after one post?

You are decent at looking town when you aren't. I don't think you are actually trying to hunt for scum much either.

[secondpassing]

Hi, I'm currently reading. Page 7 right now.


Calix- town
Sen- town citizen
RLVG- disposable mafioso role
Firebringer- the Fidel dude
Yukitaka Oni- town
ika- town citizen
SuperJack- power role

that means theres 1.5 scums for me to find left.
Tentative list only, subject to change.

Bias exists for Calix, SuperJack, Yukitaka Oni and RLVG dude to me wanting them to be their roles
Bias against Firebringer and Sen.


Congrats on your chocolate RLVG


That's a whole lot of questions Calix. I don't think it does town good to have so many in one place though, you should ask one at a time I think. It's easier to sort that way. <- opinion subject to change too


Can we have this day extended by one hour? It's just my preference so that I can review posts before I get to work and all that. But do as you wish glorious host Suntax.

[secondpassing]

RLVG

vote subject to change after I'm done reading.

[Firebringer]

Why is Calix and Stealthbomber16 without (this)?
Why is Ika together with Secondpassing and Iced Monopoly when he has posted unlike them?
Toadette and Mikecall's position in the lst don't make too much sense either.

It's okay to have a NULL read, y'know.

Those in the middle are mostly null.
Positions will change, and I made the list for discussion, and it is mostly how I am looking at game right now.

[Firebringer]

Hi, I'm currently reading. Page 7 right now.


Calix- town
Sen- town citizen
RLVG- disposable mafioso role
Firebringer- the Fidel dude
Yukitaka Oni- town
ika- town citizen
SuperJack- power role

that means theres 1.5 scums for me to find left.
Tentative list only, subject to change.

Bias exists for Calix, SuperJack, Yukitaka Oni and RLVG dude to me wanting them to be their roles
Bias against Firebringer and Sen.


Congrats on your chocolate RLVG


That's a whole lot of questions Calix. I don't think it does town good to have so many in one place though, you should ask one at a time I think. It's easier to sort that way. <- opinion subject to change too


Can we have this day extended by one hour? It's just my preference so that I can review posts before I get to work and all that. But do as you wish glorious host Suntax.

Normally you don't put predictions of players being a power role in your reads list dude.
That helps scum hunt for power roles.

[Sen]

If there was a 358° circle, with 0 being the most townie, and 358 being the scummiest, Calix would be sitting at 359 right now.
I am watching you.

[Calix]

You are decent at looking town when you aren't. I don't think you are actually trying to hunt for scum much either.

Have you seen me play as mafia before?

What was my pressure of Sen then, or my irritation towards Mikecall?

Who, in your eyes, is doing the most scumhunting?

[Mikecall]

They wouldn't be wrong. Who the fuck are those losers, lol

While I'm here, time to ask generic questions about the setup:

What role would you want to be and why?

Which heat action would you use as Josef Stalin and why?

What would your strategy be for Fidel Castro?

How would you behave as Anti-Communist Agent/ American Reporter?

How would you behave as Sleeper Agent?

Those were the aspects that stood out to me, anyway. How say you?

1. KSB Agent, I would love to do the torturing on those scum, also sounds like a Sheriff/Jailor type of role which firebringer would of loved to be.

2. Random role, just because it can confirm who that individual could be and would pretty much give the sk chance of finding out who to target, if they could be a huge threat, and so on.

3. Be out and open about it, then all the town folks can call to the aid of the arms dealer for weapons and ammunition. Also, can give town confirmed roles shots who they can fire at if the person turns out to be scum.

4. Try to be an average person with posts and everything to not draw much attention from the killing roles. So the reports that you give to that person when presented would give the best ideas on what that particular person thinks about the town and give anomyous views on each of the players actions.

5. Try to lurk or stay low, be co operative with the town, try not to draw too much attention to self, and pretty much would become a 4th mafia member.

[Firebringer]

Have you seen me play as mafia before?

What was my pressure of Sen then, or my irritation towards Mikecall?

Who, in your eyes, is doing the most scumhunting?

I have seen you play as mafia before. And as neutral scum.

[RLVG]

Town :

Calix



Leaning Town :

SuperJack
Mikecall



Neutral :

Sen
ika
Toadette
Yuki



Leaning Scum :

Stealthbomber



Scum :

Firebringer



NULL :

NumberTwo
Iced Monopoly
Secondpassing

[Calix]

If there was a 358° circle, with 0 being the most townie, and 358 being the scummiest, Calix would be sitting at 359 right now.
I am watching you.

Your reasoning is fantastic.

No, but seriously, unless you come up with an accusation against me, don't bother with the vague wankery. Evidence or GTFO.

[Sen]

Well, semi-circle, obviously.
Thing is, I'm liking Calix for scum right now, even when everyone but Firebringer seem to think he's a green as it gets.

[RLVG]

I did not notice Secondpassing had finally posted, you kept spamming when I tried to post this lol.

[Mikecall]

My vote was to try and make you appear, since we need this day to be as active as possible.
I don't know if you have got to that part yet, but the game might very well be decided today.

I don't have specific questions right now. I just want activity.

SuperJack

Fair enough really, but if you have any in mind, feel free to ask though, i'll see if i can get back to them once i reread the posts.

[Calix]

I have seen you play as mafia before. And as neutral scum.

That is a lie since I've never been mafia on FMs.

Being a Poisoner does not count as mafia. You said that my play there was bad, so the fact that you are now turning that around into a 'Calix can play Neutrals well' is contradictory.

[Sen]

No, but seriously, unless you come up with an accusation against me, don't bother with the vague wankery. Evidence or GTFO.

Trying to look towny without actively scumhunting. Calling random shit "scumtells" and not following them with a vote. Hinting that Castro might want to side with the Mafia if he feels "town is too op", when town can lose on night 1 due to how op the scum is. Getting all jumpy after someone doesn't paint you as the towniest player ever.

[Firebringer]

That is a lie since I've never been mafia on FMs.

Being a Poisoner does not count as mafia. You said that my play there was bad, so the fact that you are now turning that around into a 'Calix can play Neutrals well' is contradictory.

Your play was bad because you didn't poison a night, and you didn't seem to want to hit scum lol.

[Calix]

Well, semi-circle, obviously.
Thing is, I'm liking Calix for scum right now, even when everyone but Firebringer seem to think he's a green as it gets.

I'm scum because...?

Is it because I'm scumreading you and have voted you? You are just repeating 'Calix is scum' with no evidence. Go on, present a case.

[RLVG]

Calix- town
Sen- town citizen
RLVG- disposable mafioso role
Firebringer- the Fidel dude
Yukitaka Oni- town
ika- town citizen
SuperJack- power role

that means theres 1.5 scums for me to find left.
Tentative list only, subject to change.

Bias exists for Calix, SuperJack, Yukitaka Oni and RLVG dude to me wanting them to be their roles
Bias against Firebringer and Sen.


RLVG

vote subject to change after I'm done reading.

And I have absolutely no idea Why you're reading me as a disposable mafioso role, and voting me for it.

Why are you willing to Town Read Sen, Yuki and ika, and specifically read SJ as a Power Role?

[Sen]

And of course, wasting a dozen posts talking about meta, setup, scumtells, how each faction is suppossed to play... a lot of posts where a distracted eye might think you are contributing, when in fact they're nothing but irrelevant information.

Why are you scum, Calix?
Calix

[Yukitaka Oni]

Here is my read list so far:

Town
(SuperJack)
(Sen)
(Toadette)
(RLVG)
(Mikecall)
(Ika, Secondpassing, Iced Monopoly)
Calix
Stealthbomber16
Scum
You miss a communist v)o.o)^!

[Calix]

Trying to look towny without actively scumhunting. Calling random shit "scumtells" and not following them with a vote. Hinting that Castro might want to side with the Mafia if he feels "town is too op", when town can lose on night 1 due to how op the scum is. Getting all jumpy after someone doesn't paint you as the towniest player ever.

Who is scumhunting more than I am?

The opening few posts were obviously jokes. Invisible mode is not actually a scumtell, this is obvious.

That was marked with a '/s' tag for sarcasm.

I am allowed to ask why you think I'm scum when you've said nothing indicating this up to this point.

You took a long time to vote me, eh?

[Firebringer]

You miss a communist v)o.o)^!

You are impossible to read.

[Calix]

Your play was bad because you didn't poison a night, and you didn't seem to want to hit scum lol.

You miss the rest of my post to (continue to) criticise my play in another game. Interesting.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Hi, I'm currently reading. Page 7 right now.


Calix- town
Sen- town citizen
RLVG- disposable mafioso role
Firebringer- the Fidel dude
Yukitaka Oni- town
ika- town citizen
SuperJack- power role

that means theres 1.5 scums for me to find left.
Tentative list only, subject to change.

Bias exists for Calix, SuperJack, Yukitaka Oni and RLVG dude to me wanting them to be their roles
Bias against Firebringer and Sen.


Congrats on your chocolate RLVG


That's a whole lot of questions Calix. I don't think it does town good to have so many in one place though, you should ask one at a time I think. It's easier to sort that way. <- opinion subject to change too


Can we have this day extended by one hour? It's just my preference so that I can review posts before I get to work and all that. But do as you wish glorious host Suntax.
Cheer comrade v)o.o)^
None shall find us wanting

[Sen]

Who is scumhunting more than I am?
Me, clearly.


You took a long time to vote me, eh?
So? Should I have voted you right away, so you could say it was all trolling?

[Stealthbomber16]

Actually now that I think about it, I want to pressure Stealthbomber.

I think we may have easier time sorting him than the other players right now.

Stealthbomber16

Your town leader commands you all to sheep this vote.

I'm a sleeper agent/citizen/tpr trying to act as citizen/sleeper agent trying to act as citizen acting as sleeper agent/scum acting as tpr trying to act as citizen/scum trying to act as sleeper agent trying to act as citizen trying to act as sleeper agent.

Good work! Thats not very many options!

[Yukitaka Oni]

You are impossible to read.
In Soviet Russia, you CAN read Yuki v)o.o)>

[RLVG]

Me, clearly.

So? Should I have voted you right away, so you could say it was all trolling?

Then why are you so insistend on not answering any question because it could "benefit scum"?
I understand this logic if a Sheriff wants to keep his "Is Mafia" clue for one additional day, but when it's all speculation and strategy, it kinda baffles me - they can figure it out on their own easily.

[Firebringer]

Stealth, want to give your thoughts on everything?

Like this recent Calix vs Sen.

Thoughts on each of those two?

[Stealthbomber16]

Here is my read list so far:

Town
(SuperJack)
(Sen)
(Toadette)
(RLVG)
(Mikecall)
(Ika, Secondpassing, Iced Monopoly)
Calix
Stealthbomber16
Scum

Cool!

[Stealthbomber16]

Stealth, want to give your thoughts on everything?

Like this recent Calix vs Sen.

Thoughts on each of those two?

I'm catching up and re-reading to try to get a little bit of sense out of this.

[Mikecall]

In Soviet Russia, you CAN read Yuki v)o.o)>

Yuki, always the one to confuse the daylights out of everyone.

[RLVG]

Yuki, always the one to confuse the daylights out of everyone.

That's what happens when you invite intelligent 5 years to play Mafia.

[Calix]

Me, clearly.

So? Should I have voted you right away, so you could say it was all trolling?

So after 200-odd posts and nobody else strikes you as town scumhunting? Don't want to clear any townies too soon, eh?

How the actual fuck are you scumhunting? Don't respond with 'I'm voting you, hurr durr'

No, my vote on you was legitimate. You would have looked like you were OMGUS-stuck though.

[Sen]

Then why are you so insistend on not answering any question because it could "benefit scum"?
I understand this logic if a Sheriff wants to keep his "Is Mafia" clue for one additional day, but when it's all speculation and strategy, it kinda baffles me - they can figure it out on their own easily.
If they can, then so you can. Why should I post a flawless plan for the scum to win on night 1 for everybody to see?

[Firebringer]

hmmm I am starting to move Calix into the town pile more.
I am getting better view of Calix from this.

This might be a TvT.

[Calix]

If they can, then so you can. Why should I post a flawless plan for the scum to win on night 1 for everybody to see?

You're twisting his words, making you seem defensive. Nobody asked you to make a plan for scum, so why assume that?

[Stealthbomber16]

hmmm I am starting to move Calix into the town pile more.
I am getting better view of Calix from this.

This might be a TvT.

I agree. This is a clash of two people with different personalities that are probably TvT.

[Sen]

So after 200-odd posts and nobody else strikes you as town scumhunting? Don't want to clear any townies too soon, eh?

How the actual fuck are you scumhunting? Don't respond with 'I'm voting you, hurr durr'

No, my vote on you was legitimate. You would have looked like you were OMGUS-stuck though.

Oh, I have my list, which is for me to know and for you to guess.
I am not here to teach you how to scumhunt, and this isn't about me; you had your time for that, when you voted me from the very first page, without ever placing any sort of pressure or trying to get something out from it.

No. You are playing defense now, and you are breaking.

[RLVG]

If they can, then so you can. Why should I post a flawless plan for the scum to win on night 1 for everybody to see?

Seriously, "Scum win on Night 1". All you're doing is making a red herring out of this argument, the setup can't be exploited that easily.
You're talking about the urgency of lynching a Capitalist Scum otherwise we loose, but you don't press the issue by explaining why it's so mandatory.

If we had lynched a Capitalist Scum, then that SUPER AWESOME FLAWLESS ONE-NIGHT PLAN wouldn't work.
If we fail a lynch on someone else and they win, then what's the fucking point?

Sen