S-FM 165: Pick Your Poison

[Firebringer]

Welcome one and all to:


Pick Your Poison!

Setup Link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32828-S-FM-Pick-Your-Poison)


Important Links:
Day 1 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33507-S-FM-166-Pick-Your-Poison?p=529073&viewfull=1#post529073)
Night 1 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33507-S-FM-166-Pick-Your-Poison?p=529530&viewfull=1#post529530)
Day 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33507-S-FM-166-Pick-Your-Poison?p=529976&viewfull=1#post529976)
Night 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33507-S-FM-166-Pick-Your-Poison?p=530792&viewfull=1#post530792)
Day 3 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33507-S-FM-166-Pick-Your-Poison?p=531142&viewfull=1#post531142)

We all pick our own poisons in life. The choice isn't whether we will survive it, but how long we must suffer for our choices.



Player List
Role List
GraveYard


S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Shattered Glass
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Chariston Blandpole
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Freddy Krueger
S-FM Rick Grimes
S-FM Toads
S-FM Frank Underwood
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Town Power
Town Power
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen






Game is Currently in Day Phase.

[Firebringer]

Game Has Started:

With 9 Alive, 5

[S-FM Toads]

Host messed up my name. I am one Toad not multiple.

Firebringer

[Firebringer]

I was informed S-FM Toad was taken by an account already.

[S-FM Toads]

I was informed S-FM Toad was taken by an account already.



A likely story.

I'm not letting up until the host is lynched.

[S-FM Walter White]

S-FM Toads

Walter White does not take kindly to Toads.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

I have Asperger's Syndrome and I'm a Citizen.

[S-FM Walter White]

I have Asperger's Syndrome and I'm a Citizen.

Any reason you wanted to share your role so easily?

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

Any reason you wanted to share your role so easily?

Because I have 55.56% chance of being honest.

[S-FM Toads]

S-FM Toads

Walter White does not take kindly to Toads.

Say my name.


I have Asperger's Syndrome and I'm a Citizen.

Role claim with 0 votes on you. Good jorb.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

While I may claim a role, can you believe it? I'm claiming a role that consists 5/9 of the setup!
Zero votes means absolutely nothing to me, honey.


Role claim with 0 votes on you. Good jorb.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

Because suicide is not allowed, I may not suggest it to those that I have absolute hatred for.
I think the Power Roles should become Bulletproof and Jailor for maximum efficiency against the Mafia!

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

Because suicide is not allowed, I may not suggest it to those that I have absolute hatred for.I think the Power Roles should become Bulletproof and Jailor for maximum efficiency against the Mafia!I doubt the mafia gave the town top end PRs. It may very well simply be two Bulletproofs.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

A fair idea is for the Mafia to become a Witch and Janitor! This combination would make the Mafia use the Witch as a killer. With five Citizen and two Sanitize, they can't outsmart us!

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

A fair idea is for the Mafia to become a Witch and Janitor! This combination would make the Mafia use the Witch as a killer. With five Citizen and two Sanitize, they can't outsmart us!

Perhaps. I think we should all say hypothetically what roles we would pick for the mafia if we were the town PR. This would allow the real town PR to say what they actually chose without directly revealing themselves. Plus, we can analyze the choices people make.

I would have picked a framer and a godfather. The framer because of how unlikely it is mafia actually gives us an investigative anyway, and the godfather simply because it has no actual superpower.

I also imagine that, as a TPR, I'd want to try and pick what the other TPR is picking (because that will reduce the number of possibilities FB has to choose from). So, I'd also want to pick GF because I imagine GF is quite a popular choice (it's so obviously superpowerless)

[S-FM Walter White]

So basically you would make Deputy a worthless role with your picks? Although I guess scum probably wouldn't give that role out so easily.
I quite like the Witch and Janitor combination.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Dang it stealth! Bring back mist! It was a good setup!

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

So basically you would make Deputy a worthless role with your picks? Although I guess scum probably wouldn't give that role out so easily.
I quite like the Witch and Janitor combination.

Le godfather and le framer

Mafia will not pick deputy and therefore these are the two most useless mafia roles.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

Who says the Mafia will not pick Deputy? Yoouu?


Le godfather and le framer

Mafia will not pick deputy and therefore these are the two most useless mafia roles.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Who says the Mafia will not pick Deputy? Yoouu?

give me a reason for mafia to pick deputy

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

give me a reason for mafia to pick deputy

A reason? How about plural of reasons!

The other Town PR shows up as Mafia!

Mafia picks Deputy and Escort so that the Escort has a chance of Roleblocking the Deputy while hoping that the Town picks Consort to also have a chance to block the Deputy, or that they receive the Godfather who's immune to the detection of Deputy.

In addition there's the Framer who can change the feedback of the Deputy to see his target as Mafia, making him either tunnel a player into a mislynch or buddy a scum!

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

Did you also know that the Framer is immune to the Deputy? Oh snaps, the Deputy has become completely useless in a scenario of Framer + Godfather.

Do you want to succeed in this setup? Are you currently taping your attention to the monitor? Don't be a no-mo, become a yay-mo and support the foundation of our plan of Witch + Janitor combination for a maximum disadvantage towards the Mafia!

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

Charisma, wordplay and interaction is an important aspect to confuse the Mafia while guiding the Town.

Don't let the special snowflake be the one to lead the conversation!

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I have nothing to add to this current discussion. Are there any questions people would like to ask me?

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

Did you also know that the Framer is immune to the Deputy? Oh snaps, the Deputy has become completely useless in a scenario of Framer + Godfather.

Do you want to succeed in this setup? Are you currently taping your attention to the monitor? Don't be a no-mo, become a yay-mo and support the foundation of our plan of Witch + Janitor combination for a maximum disadvantage towards the Mafia!

Indeed, if the mafia think that the TPR would think like me, then it's very possible they'd choose sheriff. But I'm not sure they'd tunnel vision so hard with their WIFOM thoughts and actually take that risk. Interestingly enough, when we find out the PRs in the game, it will tell us something about the sort of person who chose those PRs - and, by extension, who perhaps possess that sort of approach to the game in the forum chat.

Anyway, I'd still greatly appreciate it if I heard people say what they'd hypothetically choose as TPR.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

I have nothing to add to this current discussion. Are there any questions people would like to ask me?

If you were the TPR, hypothetically, what 2 roles would you choose for mafia?

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Miscellaneous Information:

TPR cannot claim which roles they picked on first game day.



I don't think anyone can answer that question.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

While you may have nothing to add to the current discussion, you may wish to discuss of something else. Don't forget the minimum of five posts a day to keep the doctor around! What are your current thoughts? I don't think the PR will get modkilled for joining speculation, because then it would be biased to confirm who's not the PR.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I'm thinking that mafia would go for a bulletproof and a Jailor, or escort as town PR's.
Allows escorts to be confused if the mafia choose *not* to kill.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I hope no PR chose a consigliere. That thing has the power to out all the PR's in one night. Providing they target the same target/ target the PR.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

I hope no PR chose a consigliere. That thing has the power to out all the PR's in one night. Providing they target the same target/ target the PR.

I have to absolutely agree to this! The Consigliere can check exact role of the target as well to see their visitor. The Citizen can not visit, making it extremely obvious what kind of business the visiting man performs.

Ban the overpowered role!

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

It's time to Duel!

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

It's time to Duel!

I'm sorry but our chakra aren't aligned together. Would you like to have a tea to cool off the dueling lust and have a conversation related to something called "subject" and the political speculation of roles?

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I see our gracious hosthas selected rules which differ from the norm. This is going to be a whole different duel.

Days last 36 hours

I see that rounds last a very peculiar time, If we are to sacrifice one of our monsters to the graveyard we must watch the clock.

I am currently reading the cards in the Deck.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

I see our gracious hosthas selected rules which differ from the norm. This is going to be a whole different duel.

Days last 36 hours

I see that rounds last a very peculiar time, If we are to sacrifice one of our monsters to the graveyard we must watch the clock.

I am currently reading the cards in the Deck.

What's the clock? Oh, it's duel-o-clock! Quick, tell us what two cards of the green deck is the most overpowered and the two cards of the red deck is the least powerful?

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I'm sorry but our chakra aren't aligned together. Would you like to have a tea to cool off the dueling lust and have a conversation related to something called "subject" and the political speculation of roles?

I dare-say you have decided to draw at every chance you get to push others.

Yet you should remember to remain reasonable and honourable if you are going to push before I have chance to check out the deck.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

I dare-say you have decided to draw at every chance you get to push others.

Yet you should remember to remain reasonable and honourable if you are going to push before I have chance to check out the deck.

I expect everyone who participates to have actually checked it out before coming here to begin with!
It's like signing a contract without reading it.

[Firebringer]

I failed to provide a clock at the beginning of this.

For that I apologize, I will start the clock now and will give you a bit of extra time for my error.

Check first post for updated time.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Role Cards:
Spoiler : Town Roles :


Citizen
You have the power of vote.
You have no night abilities


This is the role that make the Majority of the game. Rather than depending on night abilities we should strongly be pushing for the day.


Magician
You can target a player to force him to target a different player.
Your target will be notified of being controlled but not who his new target was.
You cannot cause a self target.
If you target the player performing the NK you will only change their target for their NK action only.

Pros: Can find the scum and cause scum team kills. It's a Confirm-able Role.
Cons: Feedback clashes with witch. Exact Copy of Mafia Witch. Leaving as 50/50 Scum Or Town


Jailor
You can pick a player at night and jail them and separate them from their night chat and give you private night chat.
This will not roleblock the player.
You can perform 1 kill with a player who is jailed, this will sanitize the players role. You will be only one to know their role.
You can only jail during nights where there was no lynch for the day.

Pros: Gives the Town a night kill and one on one chat to investigate. Jailor Knows Results. Removes Scum from Scum Chat
If kills and cleans other Power-role, will know any further claims are false.
Cons: One use, Only on no-lynch, does not role block, does not protect, can not kill GF, can not kill bulletproof.


Deputy
You can investigate a player at night to see if they are apart of mafia or not.
The other town power will show up as mafia.

Pros: Can Detect Scum/Non Scum
Cons: Can out other Power role due to seeing as scum. If Mafia contain Framer/GF this roles ability is greatly reduced


Detective
Follow a player at night to see who they targeted.

Pro: Detects power roles + scum + kill
Con: Can be fooled by Framer


Doctor
You can go to a players house at night and prevent them from being night killed.
You cannot self heal.
Your target will not be informed of being attacked or healed.
Your heal will stop a jailor kill.

Pros: Can stop night kill more than once.
Cons: Can stop the Jailor kill which will cause chaos. Can not Self heal.


Bulletproof
You have a 1 time bulletproof vest making you unkillable for 1 night.
You cannot be killed by Jailor while still having a active vest.
This Bulletproof vest is auto-vest.

Pro: Stops a Kill for one night, or stop a Jailors mistake. Not detectable by Consig
Con: Can be mistaken as GF by Jailor.


Escort
You go to a players house at night and prevent them performing a night action.
Player is notified that they were blocked if they were mafia or town power. Will not be notified if they are Citizen.
Kills are not blockable.

Pros: Can stop Mafia night actions.
Cons: Does not stop night Kill, Does not leave feedback to citizens


Spoiler : Mafia Roles :

Framer
Visit a player at night and plant incriminating evidence on them for them to show up as mafia to deputy
If Detective checks the player it will give them false feedback on their target.
You will show up as town if checked by deputy

Pros: Without Deputy/Detective this role is useless
Cons: With Deputy/Detective this role is OP

Janitor
Visit a player marked for death at night to sanitize their role
You will be given their role and last will.
2 sanitizes allowed.

Pros: Most chance of being a Citizen. Limited to Two cleans
Cons: If this role cleans a power role it will cause detestation.

Consort
You go to a players house at night and prevent them performing a night action.
Player is notified that they were blocked if they are town power. Not if they are citizen.
You can block your ally.

Pros: Only Two roles in the game are role-blockable.
Cons: Acts as a second way (Along with night kill) To stop TPR


Consigliere
Go to a player at night to check to see their exact role
You will also be notified if anyone visited them and who.

Pros: None
Cons: Can detect TPR easily


Witch
You can target a player to force him to target a different player.
Your target will be notified of being controlled but not who his new target was.
You cannot cause a self target.

Pros: Is confirm-able role. Basically acts as Consort
Cons: Acts as consort


Godfather
You are immune to jailor execute ability.
You will show up as town if checked by deputy.
You will always be the one to visit the person who is killed.

Pros: Useless if Deputy not chosen. Jailor may discover. Set as the killing scum
Cons: If late game, surviving Jailor can ruin game, With Deputy renders this role OP.


If I was TPR I would pick: Witch & Janitor. Reason being is that Witch leaves feedback all the time, and Janitor is a safer and confirm-able bet than the role that depend upon Deputy/Detective
Godfather and Framer are only good if Deputy is not chosen. A Risk that shouldn't be taken. Consort is a weaker version than Witch, Consig is OP in TPR hunting

I would assume that the Mafia would pick: Jailor and Escort. As they are both severely under-powered compared to the rest.
Deputy is too dependable on what the TPR pick. Magician can find scum via night kill. Bulletproof may cost them a night kill, Doctor may cost them multiple night kills, Detective is far to OP.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I end my turn.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

The Witch and the Janitor looks like the weakest Mafia roles to me. Jailor needs specific conditions in order to work, and Escorts can't block the night kill, so they're pretty weak.

The strongest night action that the Mafia has, is apparently their nightkill. Any other night actions that they have are secondary.

I find Yugi's analysis very on-point and would be content with calling him town.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

I have nothing much to add other than Yugi is strong town.

I'm sorry.

Vote: Toads

[S-FM Toads]

Sorry, been a bit busy today.

I highly doubt mafia picked a deputy so framer is the perfect role to give to them. Godfather also seems like an obvious choice.

I would be shocked if mafia chose jailor given how many days end in no lynching here.


I have nothing much to add other than Yugi is strong town.

I'm sorry.

Vote: Toads

Use vote tags instead of bold tags and full name (S-FM Toads) or the vote won't count.

Care to explain the vote?

[S-FM Toads]

Role Cards:
Spoiler : Town Roles :



If I was TPR I would pick: Witch & Janitor. Reason being is that Witch leaves feedback all the time, and Janitor is a safer and confirm-able bet than the role that depend upon Deputy/Detective
Godfather and Framer are only good if Deputy is not chosen. A Risk that shouldn't be taken. Consort is a weaker version than Witch, Consig is OP in TPR hunting

I would assume that the Mafia would pick: Jailor and Escort. As they are both severely under-powered compared to the rest.
Deputy is too dependable on what the TPR pick. Magician can find scum via night kill. Bulletproof may cost them a night kill, Doctor may cost them multiple night kills, Detective is far to OP.



Janitor is bad choice to give to the mafia... Sure maybe they clean a citizen or maybe they clean a TPR and get their last will and can claim to be them quite easily going uncontested.

Witch though is a better choice than I initially thought...

[S-FM Toads]

S-FM Chariston Blandpole

Don't think I've seen this individual post yet

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

Sorry, been a bit busy today.

I highly doubt mafia picked a deputy so framer is the perfect role to give to them. Godfather also seems like an obvious choice.

I would be shocked if mafia chose jailor given how many days end in no lynching here.



Use vote tags instead of bold tags and full name (S-FM Toads) or the vote won't count.

Care to explain the vote?

Sorry, and thank you.

It was a random vote.

S-FM Chariston Blandpole

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

S-FM Chariston Blandpole

[S-FM Chariston Blandpole]

Sorry, had trouble getting into my account.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Sorry, had trouble getting into my account.


Yet you do nothing afterwards. You have revealed you are in play, So Lets Duel!

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

thats yugi-oh, right?

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

Yet you do nothing afterwards. You have revealed you are in play, So Lets Duel!

Agreed fully. I had wanted to point out how Chariston only came in to excuse his lack of presence "Sorry, had trouble getting into my account" but did not comment on anything pertinent.

My vote stays.

[S-FM Walter White]

S-FM Chariston Blandpole

Tell us what you know!

[S-FM Chariston Blandpole]

I know nothing really, it's still day 1 after all. I'm thinking that it may be toads however, fairly quick to place the blame.

[/vote] S-FM Toads

[S-FM Chariston Blandpole]

uh... you didn't see that

S-FM Toads

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

Oh man, we're going for a trip to hell!

The following named players has posted this many times :
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD - 4
S-FM Shattered Glass - 4
S-FM Yami Yugi - 6
S-FM Chariston Blandpole - 1
S-FM Walter White - 5
S-FM Freddy Krueger - 5
S-FM Rick Grimes - 15
S-FM Toads - 6
S-FM Frank Underwood - 4

Violet means they're one away from the minimum posting requirement of the day!
Red means that they fail miserably at the core aspect of Life itself!
Green means that they have succeeded in life and has shown activity!



My current select few reads :

Yami Yugi is bright and has posted a fantastic Pro & Con list of every role!
Useful player.

Freddy Krueger appears to be new to this, having done a blank vote instead of an appropriate vote, only to mess up later!
Newbie player.

The sexy Rick Grimes with fifteen posts, a clear town player!

Bring Back Mist You Coward appears to be the fluff-maker player, maybe to stay under the radar?
Curious smoochie loonie!

Chariston Blandpole said they had some issues getting the account to work, but guess what? They posted once and did not contribute shit while they were around!
Lazy fuck!



This post was made after reading Post #52 and has no reflection on any posts after that!

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

I may have realized that I have broken Rule #7 for using the color Green and will ask the host for forgiveness.
Did a read and realized that Orange wasn't an exclusive color.

[S-FM Chariston Blandpole]

I think Consigliere and Godfather might be some good picks for the TPR they really don't seem too strong as long as mafia doesn't pick magician/doc. Sure, the consigliere might be able to find tpr straight off, but I don't think that a big chance of happening. After tonight though I think we can at least eliminate one of the mafia.

Some pointless roles to me are bulletproof and escort. I think bulletproof could be mistaken a number of ways and escort still doesn't block the town kill.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I don't have anything else to add to this discussion

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I don't have anything else to add to this discussion

But you will just make this useless post to avoid modkill. Nice move.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I think Consigliere and Godfather might be some good picks for the TPR they really don't seem too strong as long as mafia doesn't pick magician/doc. Sure, the consigliere might be able to find tpr straight off, but I don't think that a big chance of happening. After tonight though I think we can at least eliminate one of the mafia.

Some pointless roles to me are bulletproof and escort. I think bulletproof could be mistaken a number of ways and escort still doesn't block the town kill.

Well, at least you have said something I'll give you that.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

Isn't the deadline coming up fast? Must we pick someone to lynch already? Since Chariston refuses contribute even after he has gained access to his account.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

We have 9 hours left, and that is quite a short time.

[S-FM Rick Grimes]

We have two votes remaining and less than four hours to put them on Charlie!

Our options are a speedy wagon or we can do a No Lynch and see what happens.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Chariston Blandpole
:sheep: Acknowledged

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

S-FM Chariston Blandpole

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Wtf

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

S-FM Chariston Blandpole

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

First try

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

If we exclude power roles from thought for the moment. A lynch would be reccomended:

Lynch
Kill
Lynch
Kill
Lynch.

Instead of Pushing for a no lynch which would result in this in the worst scenario:

Kill
Lynch
Kill
Lynch
Kill.

Lynching today means we have a higher chance of lynching scum overall

But then we shall have to take into account power roles.
If we no lynch and we have protectives we may be given an extra day.
If we no lynch and have a Jailor he can then jail.
But his execution basically adds as a delayed lynch.
If we push for a lynch it might out a TPR.
If we push for a lynch, less people to look for Scum through.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

There is only one hour and a bit left. And this player we had to force some terrible contribution out of. Which is, along with the 3 lynch is better than 2 option. I will use my vote in attack mode, sending this player to the graveyard.
S-FM Chariston Blandpole

[The Godfather]

S-FM Chariston Blandpole has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


S-FM Chariston Blandpole ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27096') (5 [L-0]): S-FM Toads ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529346'), S-FM Walter White ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529398'), S-FM Freddy Krueger ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529348'), S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529525'), S-FM Yami Yugi ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529528')
S-FM Toads ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27102') (1 [L-4]): S-FM Chariston Blandpole ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529416')

[Firebringer]

Night 1:

The lynch mob gathered, not sure of what to do. The hysteria got the best of them as they rallied against S-FM Chariston Blandpole. They gave him two options. Hang by the noose, or poison.

He choose the latter.
Before he died he simply said "I failed this town"


S-FM Chariston Blandpole has been lynched he was a Town Deputy!
He left No Last Will

Deputy
You can investigate a player at night to see if they are apart of mafia or not.
The other town power will show up as mafia.




Player List
Role List
GraveYard


S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Shattered Glass
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Chariston Blandpole
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Freddy Krueger
S-FM Rick Grimes
S-FM Toads
S-FM Frank Underwood
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Town Power
Town Power
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
S-FM Chariston Blandpole-Town Deputy



Night 1 Ends At This Time (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151105T08&p0=599&msg=Night+1&font=cursive&csz=1#)

[Firebringer]

Day 2:

Last night someone got a bit too drunk in the local tavern. Rick Grimes was approached by someone who he didn't quite trust, they shared a few drinks but before he knew something was wrong he had realized the the scoundrel gave him Poison!


S-FM Rick Grimes died last night. His role is ???

His Last Will has been Stolen!




Player List
Role List
GraveYard


S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Shattered Glass
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Chariston Blandpole
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Freddy Krueger
S-FM Rick Grimes
S-FM Toads
S-FM Frank Underwood
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Town Power
Town Power
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
S-FM Chariston Blandpole-Town Deputy
S-FM Rick Grimes-Killed Night 1, Role Unknown.



Day Ends At This Time (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151106T22&p0=599&msg=Countdown+Timer&font=cursive&csz=1#)

[Firebringer]

Friendly Reminder:
If you do not post enough I have the right to replace you out.
2 players did not meet their post requirements yesterday for the game.

The rule is in place to encourage activity, I don't actually want to replace players.

[S-FM Walter White]

Scum were given a cleaner? Fantastic...
So, where do we stand today.
Yami Yugi I like as town, hammer was sensible and not rushed.

No surprise that Rick Grimes was killed. Scum want to lurk and have an inactive town.

So today lets look at this.

S-FM Frank Underwood

[S-FM Walter White]

I doubt the mafia gave the town top end PRs. It may very well simply be two Bulletproofs.



Perhaps. I think we should all say hypothetically what roles we would pick for the mafia if we were the town PR. This would allow the real town PR to say what they actually chose without directly revealing themselves. Plus, we can analyze the choices people make.


I would have picked a framer and a godfather. The framer because of how unlikely it is mafia actually gives us an investigative anyway, and the godfather simply because it has no actual superpower.


I also imagine that, as a TPR, I'd want to try and pick what the other TPR is picking (because that will reduce the number of possibilities FB has to choose from). So, I'd also want to pick GF because I imagine GF is quite a popular choice (it's so obviously superpowerless)



Indeed, if the mafia think that the TPR would think like me, then it's very possible they'd choose sheriff. But I'm not sure they'd tunnel vision so hard with their WIFOM thoughts and actually take that risk. Interestingly enough, when we find out the PRs in the game, it will tell us something about the sort of person who chose those PRs - and, by extension, who perhaps possess that sort of approach to the game in the forum chat.


Anyway, I'd still greatly appreciate it if I heard people say what they'd hypothetically choose as TPR.



If you were the TPR, hypothetically, what 2 roles would you choose for mafia?

This is everything that was posted by them.
Most of it fishing to see who the town PR is. What benefit does this give to say what roles you would give?

[S-FM Walter White]

So since he wasn't on the wagon, chances highly that he was?
Nah, I can see both keeping off the wagon since it was a policy lynch more or less from no content.

Shattered Glass? I'll take a look now. Not my first thought of suspect though.

[S-FM Walter White]

I have nothing to add to this current discussion. Are there any questions people would like to ask me?


So this is their first post?
Very weak entrance. Already advised that they have no interest in helping town.



I don't think anyone can answer that question.


I do like the stance on the role confirm though.


I'm thinking that mafia would go for a bulletproof and a Jailor, or escort as town PR's.
Allows escorts to be confused if the mafia choose *not* to kill.


So no sign of either, but did have a deputy. I both like and dislike this post. I like it because it shows he's wrong. I dislike it because it's such an easy way to gain town cred as scum.



I hope no PR chose a consigliere. That thing has the power to out all the PR's in one night. Providing they target the same target/ target the PR.


Yeah I'm in favour as town at this point.
I'm not disliking his comments on these regardless if they are needed or not.



I don't have anything else to add to this discussion


Back to worthless comment. Shame, I would have prefered no comment here.


Okay, so not a fan of him being overly scummy day 1. But by far is not welcomed into the town section.

[S-FM Walter White]

Dang it stealth! Bring back mist! It was a good setup!


Not much to offer here.



Le godfather and le framer


Mafia will not pick deputy and therefore these are the two most useless mafia roles.


Again, this is one of those "give me town credit" kind of comments. I really don't like them.



give me a reason for mafia to pick deputy


Yup, when town flips Deputy he can go, "I didn't think they would pick that, I'm town"



thats yugi-oh, right?


NGR



Chariston Blandpole
Acknowledged


Not really against the vote, it was a wasted spot.


The rest is just spam trying to correct the vote.


I quite like this one as my second favorite scum.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

Scum were given a cleaner? Fantastic...
So, where do we stand today.
Yami Yugi I like as town, hammer was sensible and not rushed.

No surprise that Rick Grimes was killed. Scum want to lurk and have an inactive town.

So today lets look at this.

S-FM Frank Underwood

Never really understood pressure votes this early. If I say stupid shit, I get lynched. If I say reasonable stuff, I likely won't be lynched. That's the exact same outcome as without the pressure votes. Anyway, whatever. I'll play along.

You accuse me of PR hunting. I wasn't exactly PR hunting, I was just genuinely curious about what roles the mafia may have an I wanted to start a conversation on the setup. But I am definitely showing an indifference to the town PRs. They are almost definitely useless and perhaps even going to make things harder for the town.

Take this deputy for example - we now see that the mafia was indeed betting on receiving Godfather/Framer. Don't you think a hypothetical mafia would want to keep a deputy alive, to troll the town (as it's so unexpected that they'd actually give us such a role) and to perhaps troll the deputy in the event they DO get framer? Whatever roles the mafia have given us are contaminated and should be treated with great cynicism. The best case scenario would have been BPF men, as at least they're guaranteed to delay the mafia a little, but unfortunately as we can see with the choice of deputy, the mafia have revealed themselves to be slightly deeper thinkers.

I'd also like to personally apologize to FB - I was honestly not aware of my lack of activity. It's very strange - I felt like I was posting more. Anyway, I'll contribute more today.

[S-FM Walter White]

Never really understood pressure votes this early. If I say stupid shit, I get lynched. If I say reasonable stuff, I likely won't be lynched. That's the exact same outcome as without the pressure votes. Anyway, whatever. I'll play along.

You accuse me of PR hunting. I wasn't exactly PR hunting, I was just genuinely curious about what roles the mafia may have an I wanted to start a conversation on the setup. But I am definitely showing an indifference to the town PRs. They are almost definitely useless and perhaps even going to make things harder for the town.

Take this deputy for example - we now see that the mafia was indeed betting on receiving Godfather/Framer. Don't you think a hypothetical mafia would want to keep a deputy alive, to troll the town (as it's so unexpected that they'd actually give us such a role) and to perhaps troll the deputy in the event they DO get framer? Whatever roles the mafia have given us are contaminated and should be treated with great cynicism. The best case scenario would have been BPF men, as at least they're guaranteed to delay the mafia a little, but unfortunately as we can see with the choice of deputy, the mafia have revealed themselves to be slightly deeper thinkers.

I'd also like to personally apologize to FB - I was honestly not aware of my lack of activity. It's very strange - I felt like I was posting more. Anyway, I'll contribute more today.

But scum didn't choose to kill the Deputy, it was due to them being inactive.
Okay, then talk to me, what's your view on other players? Do you have any reads or thoughts on the game?

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

But scum didn't choose to kill the Deputy, it was due to them being inactive.
Okay, then talk to me, what's your view on other players? Do you have any reads or thoughts on the game?

Was I unclear? I meant if the scum found out who Deputy was, they'd still want to keep the Deputy alive to cause chaos.

I think we do need to pressure the less actives to talk. Getting a feel for everyone's playstyle and personality this game is important. There was one guy who stood out for me. I'll go back through the posts and dig him up for you. He didn't seem very genuine.

[S-FM Toads]

Frank, what exactly do you mean by "this early"? It's day two and we're down two town already including at least one TPR.

I feel like up to this point you've been trying to stay under the radar.

Im mostly feeling Walter White is town at the moment and Yami Yugi as well.

I'm not sure I buy shattered glass being town. Would like to put pressure there.

S-FM Shattered Glass

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

Frank, what exactly do you mean by "this early"? It's day two and we're down two town already including at least one TPR.

I feel like up to this point you've been trying to stay under the radar.

Im mostly feeling Walter White is town at the moment and Yami Yugi as well.

I'm not sure I buy shattered glass being town. Would like to put pressure there.

S-FM Shattered Glass

Shit, I have the coherence of a fuzzy radio line it seems. I meant early in the day not early as in early in the week. Pressure votes are more threatening a little later when we're seriously considering lynches.

Anyway, this will probably seem like an OMGUS, but you were the one who seemed dodgy, as I was looking over the posts. I'm sorry for the lack of a comprehensive ISO, but you just strike me as shitty. I'll get back to you on this though, don't worry.

[S-FM Toads]

Shit, I have the coherence of a fuzzy radio line it seems. I meant early in the day not early as in early in the week. Pressure votes are more threatening a little later when we're seriously considering lynches.

Anyway, this will probably seem like an OMGUS, but you were the one who seemed dodgy, as I was looking over the posts. I'm sorry for the lack of a comprehensive ISO, but you just strike me as shitty. I'll get back to you on this though, don't worry.

You're right it does seem exactly like an OMGUS which is odd seeing as I didn't even vote you.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

You're right it does seem exactly like an OMGUS which is odd seeing as I didn't even vote you.

Well, seeing as I pointed out earlier my indifference towards pressuring / suspicion early in the day, I'm doubtful most people reading through this will see it as such. I claim my suspicions on you to be genuine and the fact we are simultaneously talking about our suspicion on each other to be pure coincidence.

[S-FM Toads]

Well, seeing as I pointed out earlier my indifference towards pressuring / suspicion early in the day, I'm doubtful most people reading through this will see it as such. I claim my suspicions on you to be genuine and the fact we are simultaneously talking about our suspicion on each other to be pure coincidence.

Well I'm suspicious of most people. I wouldn't put you highest on the list and your reasonable response makes me feel better.

What do you think of shattered glass?

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I received no Feedback last night.
So. Things have started?

Good, I'm glad you're picking me up as potential scum. I was hoping it'd be noticed.
My contribution today will be a lot more.

Toads Doesn't sit right with me. Irrelevant of the vote on me.

I wonder if Mafia killed eachother for the lolz.

[S-FM Walter White]

I received no Feedback last night.
So. Things have started?

Good, I'm glad you're picking me up as potential scum. I was hoping it'd be noticed.
My contribution today will be a lot more.

Toads Doesn't sit right with me. Irrelevant of the vote on me.

I wonder if Mafia killed eachother for the lolz.

I doubt it lol.
What do you mean you received no feedback?

So, talk to me about Toads...
I'm not seeing that spot as much as scummy. But I'm sure if you explain why we can discuss.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Toads hasn't posted enough for anything to be used as evidence.
Freddy Krueger is another one, after reading through that seems... off.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

MIST is another. I want to hear from him
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
Freakin damn these super hard to write names.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

I'm here. Very sorry that Charston flipped Deputy, but it can't be helped. Deadlines are too fast.


A good point was made about mist being scummy.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

I strongly townread Walter White now.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

Sorry, I'm not sure what much to do, it is very difficult to find scum here without much content to work with.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I felt that drain on my life points.

Yesterday's lynch is a prime example that when you are town, and you don't contribute. It has a negative impact upon the game. I hope our other lurkers see this and decide to pick up their game.

At this point we can believe these points:
Seeing the Deputy s suggestions, it looks like we may have either a consig or a Gf in the game. If it's the latter then the Scum would not of wanted the Deputy dead.
As I previously stated in this game, lynching day 1 is a positive action. We cannot mourn at the loss of an incompetent deputy as his power could of easily just of lead us astray [Other TPR shows as town and chance of GF]
We cannot depend on our other TPR. This games outcome will be based on our ability to contribute and hunt Scum during the day.

I have a few bones to pick but before I do. Mist needs to show his face and you all will need to contribute.

If the Scum are targeting useful players, we need to make sure all of us are useful or this will end just like Prime Minister.

Take a note. Com hunting is allowed.

[S-FM Walter White]

S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD

That's L2. A no lynch tells us nothing and I don't see this slot as town.
Lets see if this post actually gets through!

[Firebringer]

I have been getting reports that players are having a difficult time posting.

Partially due to this and the lack of activity. I am extending the day another 24 hours.



New Day End (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151107T22&p0=599&msg=Day+2&font=cursive&csz=1#)

[S-FM Walter White]

Thanks FireBringer.
If you guys manage to lurk enough and not lynch I am going to be so pissed off.

WHAT DOES NOT TALKING GET US?

[S-FM Toads]

Thanks FireBringer.
If you guys manage to lurk enough and not lynch I am going to be so pissed off.

WHAT DOES NOT TALKING GET US?

Sorry. I'm finding myself lazily not logging into this account with all the games going on. Not an excuse, time to change that.

I would rather the votes go to shattered glass instead of mist. Given the extension if mist doesn't start posting and giving us a reason to not vote him I pledge to vote him before day end to make sure we get a lynch.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Oh yea this is still going on.

Let me review the case on me

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

...I cant post

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

oh look now i can wtf

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

So the case is my filler posts and sheep votes?

There was not enough activity to really discuss day one and we had not enough activity to jump trains.

I will lead and contribute when it is acknowledged that we can get more than 6 pages in within TWO INGAME DAYS.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Okay, I'm back too. Maybe we can have a conversation.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Its super hard to scumhunt with only 6 pages, no one wanted to shitpost and throw votes around

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

How can we possibly decide who is being the scummy shit.

Toad, by incriminating me you are going to make me live longer.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

This is worse a train than that of Chariston.

I will bet that one of Walter White/Freddy Kruger is scum. Take that as OMGUS as you want.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

How can we possibly decide who is being the scummy shit.

Toad, by incriminating me you are going to make me live longer.

I have a few things to do then I will come back and consult you.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I share that suspicion. Freddy Kruger is on my list of scum hits.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Toads used to be, but now he isn't.

My strongest scum read is now actually Freddy Krueger when I read through it again.
S-FM Freddy Krueger

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I see you both quickly playing your cards to escape from being mod killed. You complain that you are acccused of sheep low contented post yet you both continue this patten.

Rather than push a train into you two I'm going to ask you both questions which I wish you both to answer in detail. We have a hole extra day to decide your fate.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

So the case is my filler posts and sheep votes?

There was not enough activity to really discuss day one and we had not enough activity to jump trains.

I will lead and contribute when it is acknowledged that we can get more than 6 pages in within TWO INGAME DAYS.

This reasoning is terrible. "There is a lack of activity, so I shall respond to this by indulging in a lack of activity". This seems like a lazy attempt to get out of saying anything. Now you're getting my lynch. I'm a stubborn player, and rarely withdraw my vote on a person once I've put it on that person (com hunt all you want). Hence, I save the vote for when I really feel like I'm onto something.

S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD

You want someone to talk about? They're right here. Now contribute.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

So the case is my filler posts and sheep votes?

There was not enough activity to really discuss day one and we had not enough activity to jump trains.

I will lead and contribute when it is acknowledged that we can get more than 6 pages in within TWO INGAME DAYS.

You blame the number of posts to be inadequate to review. Yet it is the content which you should be reviewing. It's there, yet you either ignore it you are blind.

You blame inactivity for the reason not to contribute and be active. Yet that is just a constant destructive cycle and opinion to have.

Go ahead, lead and contribute. But don't do it at the end of the day. I want to see other peoples opinions.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

Well I'm suspicious of most people. I wouldn't put you highest on the list and your reasonable response makes me feel better.

What do you think of shattered glass?

He's the exact same kind of player as Bring Back Mist. So no wonder they're gravitating towards eachother.

Anyway, we have a space open for more policy lynches. We need to beat this town into reaching a point where it asks questions (and those questions are responded to). So I'm comfortable with lynching one of them, even if they do flip cit.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

This is worse a train than that of Chariston.

I will bet that one of Walter White/Freddy Kruger is scum. Take that as OMGUS as you want.

Thay train is a prime example of why inactivety, lurking and being useless is anti-town. The person to blame for the lynch is Chariaton. Unless there is something thats been missed.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

You blame the number of posts to be inadequate to review. Yet it is the content which you should be reviewing. It's there, yet you either ignore it you are blind.

You blame inactivity for the reason not to contribute and be active. Yet that is just a constant destructive cycle and opinion to have.

Go ahead, lead and contribute. But don't do it at the end of the day. I want to see other peoples opinions.

I need to question you and pull you down a notch.

Which players do you view positively?

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

He's the exact same kind of player as Bring Back Mist. So no wonder they're gravitating towards eachother.

Anyway, we have a space open for more policy lynches. We need to beat this town into reaching a point where it asks questions (and those questions are responded to). So I'm comfortable with lynching one of them, even if they do flip cit.

We can only assume we can afford one more policy lynch. We do not know the other TPR, and cannot assume their choices as they took a gamble on Deputy.

I would much prefer a lynch of scum. But using the policy lynch to determin the lesser players aura is good for me.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

We can only assume we can afford one more policy lynch. We do not know the other TPR, and cannot assume their choices as they took a gamble on Deputy.

I would much prefer a lynch of scum. But using the policy lynch to determine the lesser players aura is good for me.

Naturally, the scummiest of the low-contributors would be lynched, so it is something of a simultaneous scum-hunt and policy lynch.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I need to question you and pull you down a notch.

Which players do you view positively?

I will answer this question once shattered glass and mist post some real contribution. I do not wish my views to effect their thoughts.

I do not want a 're-enactment of town players ripping into each other whilst the Scum lurked.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Toads used to be, but now he isn't.

My strongest scum read is now actually Freddy Krueger when I read through it again.
S-FM Freddy Krueger

If you have valid tells you have spotted someone is Scum. Do not merely post you have seen it. Bring this information forward, show us these posts and convince us too why they are scum

Pointing at someone and saying they are Scum has no impact on players. Just shows your incompetence or unwillingness to make a real claim.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

I will answer this question once shattered glass and mist post some real contribution. I do not wish my views to effect their thoughts.

I do not want a 're-enactment of town players ripping into each other whilst the Scum lurked.

The question can be postponed, but if you don't answer it today, you have the future town to answer to.

Fine then. Surely you can talk about the deputy flip, in that case. How do you think the mafias decided to go for the more risky strategy? What kind of conversation dynamics can you imagine that lead to deputy (and another TPR) being chosen? They must have collaborated and came to a mutual agreement (unless they're the world's most dysfunctional team) so do you think they both were immediately happy to have a deputy, or do you think it was more complex?

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

The question can be postponed, but if you don't answer it today, you have the future town to answer to.

Fine then. Surely you can talk about the deputy flip, in that case. How do you think the mafias decided to go for the more risky strategy? What kind of conversation dynamics can you imagine that lead to deputy (and another TPR) being chosen? They must have collaborated and came to a mutual agreement (unless they're the world's most dysfunctional team) so do you think they both were immediately happy to have a deputy, or do you think it was more complex?

Depends on how verbal they both are. I can easily see it being just a sole person taking charge and the other merely tagging along with it. I doubt they discussed it as they would of gone with more logical choices [Jailor and Escort].
A deputy can suggest that they doubt their ability to avoid being suspected and push mis-lynchs, and wished for the Deputy to cause a mislynch.
Or it can suggest they are a gambler. And hoped that tpr would throw In a good card.

[S-FM Toads]

V
Glass and mist... Wtf

Watch them not show up again until the end

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

I apologize for my lack of contribution once again. Got distracted and caught up in other things.

I'm back now.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

I have nothing much to add other than Yugi is strong town.

I'm sorry.

Vote: Toads

Freddy starts by feigning new player. His actions show that he is definitely not a new player.


Agreed fully. I had wanted to point out how Chariston only came in to excuse his lack of presence "Sorry, had trouble getting into my account" but did not comment on anything pertinent.

My vote stays.

Freddy finds an excuse to lynch someone he knows is town and he has an excuse to lynch. Scum WILL do this.


We have 9 hours left, and that is quite a short time.

Anxious to get a lynch.


I'm here. Very sorry that Charston flipped Deputy, but it can't be helped. Deadlines are too fast.


A good point was made about mist being scummy.

This is exactly what scum do. Apologize for leading the mislynch.

Scum are incredibly self-conscious and will apologize for every little thing while trying to detask it to some other issue,(sort of like me with inactivity) and then hope that it dies without it being noticed.

Normally I wouldn't pressure someone for a mislynch but this apology in itself strikes me as suspicious.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

S-FM Freddy Krueger

I dont want this to seem like an OMGUS but he really does seem scummy to me.

When I flip town you will want to come after him next.

[S-FM Toads]

I don't see it. Freddy seems genuinely new to me and unsure of himself, hence the apologies.

Seems interesting that that's the low hanging fruit you're going for of all the low hanging fruit this game. Maybe because you can't target shattered glass when you two have played so similarly up to this point?

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

It feels quite clearly that the players Walter White, Yugi, and Frank are town. They seem to be putting depth of thought into the game, even with the what few posts we can muster at this moment. Toads seems towny as well, but not as sure-fire as my top 3.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

The obvious black sheep in the game are currently Mist and Shattered Glass. Both of them don't seem to make sense, although Mist made some attempts to make a (admittedly poor) case on me. However, he fails to adequately address Walter White's points against him.

With this said, I am leaning towards lynching Glass instead of Mist now, because Mist seems to have made some efforts that can be remotely construed as town. However, his filler posts are a sore thumb. Given the short deadlines, it appears that we can afford to policy lynch less and need more accuracy in lynching scum instead.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

In the interests of winning the game,

S-FM Shattered Glass

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

Okay, I'm on.

I implore you, Freddy, to reconsider your reads. Although I may not be helping town *that* much, I am not being sufficiently anti-town to warrant a lynch.
I find it incredibly unfortunate that I'm also never on when anyone else is.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I'm willing to lynch MIST or Freddy.
Those are my two scum leans.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

If you want my list from Scum to town
Towny
S-FM Frank Underwood
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Toads
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Freddy Krueger
Scummy

Thats the order in which I could understand lynching people.
If you require my roleflip, then you may use it.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

If you wish to actually perform a lynch today. I suggest lynching MIST. However if this happens, I understand that my sort of behavior cannot continue.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

If you wish to actually perform a lynch today. I suggest lynching MIST. However if this happens, I understand that my sort of behavior cannot continue.

and that sounded sooo scummy to even me.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

Tests

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

What content have you provided for me to reconsider my read?

Could you explain why you arrived at your two scum leans? It seems almost as if you pulled those names out of a hat. Your readslist seems to lack explanation, how do we know that you didn't copy mine, since, well, I wrote mine first? How have you value-added to the game?

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

The next question is, if you think that I'm scum, why are you asking me to reconsider my reads? If I'm "scum", then my reads are fake. I don't believe for one second that you think that I'm scum, unless for some reason you find it important for "scum" to reconsider their reads anyway.

[S-FM Walter White]

In the interests of winning the game,

S-FM Shattered Glass

Winning as scum? Because that's a bad vote.

[S-FM Walter White]

and that sounded sooo scummy to even me.

Why?
Do utn thtou havebentitown to tis poit?

[S-FM Walter White]

Why?
Do utn thtou havebentitown to tis poit?

Wow, keyboard error.
Do you think that you have been anti town to this point?

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Okay, I'm on.

I implore you, Freddy, to reconsider your reads. Although I may not be helping town *that* much, I am not being sufficiently anti-town to warrant a lynch.
I find it incredibly unfortunate that I'm also never on when anyone else is.

Atleast Freddy has some reads. Where as you just point and shout.


I'm willing to lynch MIST or Freddy.
Those are my two scum leans.

Because?


If you want my list from Scum to town
Towny
S-FM Frank Underwood
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Toads
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Freddy Krueger
Scummy

Thats the order in which I could understand lynching people.
If you require my roleflip, then you may use it.

Because?


If you wish to actually perform a lynch today. I suggest lynching MIST. However if this happens, I understand that my sort of behavior cannot continue.

So you apparently are willing to contribute after we lynch someone else?

Yes. It does sound scummy.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Walter White


S-FM Toads

Walter White does not take kindly to Toads.

Fluff day 1 troll vote.


Any reason you wanted to share your role so easily?

Questioning Rick claiming Citizen


So basically you would make Deputy a worthless role with your picks? Although I guess scum probably wouldn't give that role out so easily.
I quite like the Witch and Janitor combination.

Questioning the Deputys reasoning


S-FM Chariston Blandpole

Tell us what you know!

Pushing on Charistons trying to make him play.

That was all for Day One. Quite small and bland, but quite Townish.


Scum were given a cleaner? Fantastic...
So, where do we stand today.
Yami Yugi I like as town, hammer was sensible and not rushed.

No surprise that Rick Grimes was killed. Scum want to lurk and have an inactive town.

So today lets look at this.

S-FM Frank Underwood

Comments on the lynch and existence of Janitor. Then Places his vote. (Next post explains why)


This is everything that was posted by them.
Most of it fishing to see who the town PR is. What benefit does this give to say what roles you would give?

This is something I have to agree with, when I came into the game I was already shocked that is was happing. Especially when there was more focus on what the TPR would pick and not the Mafia.


So since he wasn't on the wagon, chances highly that he was?
Nah, I can see both keeping off the wagon since it was a policy lynch more or less from no content.

Shattered Glass? I'll take a look now. Not my first thought of suspect though.
I understand this thought, Scum would not want to push on a deputy, so if they did vote on him they did not expect the flip.
Same goes that if they didn't want the deputy dead. They wouldn't want him dead, as he did leave small breadcrums hinting his role. Then he goes to a lurker


So this is their first post?
Very weak entrance. Already advised that they have no interest in helping town.

I do like the stance on the role confirm though.

I'm thinking that mafia would go for a bulletproof and a Jailor, or escort as town PR's.
Allows escorts to be confused if the mafia choose *not* to kill.

So no sign of either, but did have a deputy. I both like and dislike this post. I like it because it shows he's wrong. I dislike it because it's such an easy way to gain town cred as scum.


Yeah I'm in favour as town at this point.
I'm not disliking his comments on these regardless if they are needed or not.


Back to worthless comment. Shame, I would have prefered no comment here.

Okay, so not a fan of him being overly scummy day 1. But by far is not welcomed into the town section.

Over all opinion on Shattereds opinion so far. And I have to agree, even though he is not overall scummy is not over all town. Which would make him an easy target to lynch


Not much to offer here.

Again, this is one of those "give me town credit" kind of comments. I really don't like them.

Yup, when town flips Deputy he can go, "I didn't think they would pick that, I'm town"

NGR

Not really against the vote, it was a wasted spot.

The rest is just spam trying to correct the vote.

I quite like this one as my second favorite scum.

More good reasonings to see this player as scum.


But scum didn't choose to kill the Deputy, it was due to them being inactive.
Okay, then talk to me, what's your view on other players? Do you have any reads or thoughts on the game?
This is quite a bad post. He apparently knows how active the scum is and their reason for picking deputy. Yet then chages things and asks a different question.


I doubt it lol.
What do you mean you received no feedback?

So, talk to me about Toads...
I'm not seeing that spot as much as scummy. But I'm sure if you explain why we can discuss.
Questioning a reason on the no-feedback claim. Yet then changing the topic away to toads.


S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD

That's L2. A no lynch tells us nothing and I don't see this slot as town.
Lets see if this post actually gets through!
Pressure vote


Thanks FireBringer.
If you guys manage to lurk enough and not lynch I am going to be so pissed off.

WHAT DOES NOT TALKING GET US?
Angery at the lack of contribution


Winning as scum? Because that's a bad vote.
Points out that because someone wants to win, does not make them town.


Why?
Do utn thtou havebentitown to tis poit?
Cancer


Wow, keyboard error.
Do you think that you have been anti town to this point?
Logical Question

Overall. He started out quite strong, Yet he has made a couple of completely dreadful posts. I can consider him town though and put some of them comments down to mistakes as his townyness outways his scummyness.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

I believe that out of S-FM Shattered Glass or S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD. That one of them will be scum. I wouldn't mind a lynch on one of these two if we have no better choices, which I'm struggling to see. Yet I will continue to read into other players. Both players have claimed that they will contribute more, yet this is hardly done at all. So policy lynching on of them may indeed push the other one to really contribute.

[S-FM Walter White]

Yami Yugi - You read my comment incorrectly concerning the deputy. When I say "they were inactive" I mean the deputy, not scum.
I'm surprised that you read it like that though.

I probably won't be making many posts for a few hours - At work and typing is lagging here (confused), hence the mess up post.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

This is taking longer than I thought. Should we risk a no lynch, or push a policy lynch. Both can have negative impacts.
I have other people I want to push (Frank and Toad), but with less than an hour left I doubt there will be enough people around. And I know the people I want to push on will fight back, rarther than these lurkers who will just role over and die, So I will be doing that tomorrow but if not.

My last will, will be detailed and full of accusations. So make sure you pay attention to it.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Yami Yugi - You read my comment incorrectly concerning the deputy. When I say "they were inactive" I mean the deputy, not scum.
I'm surprised that you read it like that though.

I probably won't be making many posts for a few hours - At work and typing is lagging here (confused), hence the mess up post.

Sorry about that. I will reconsider this. When Multi-Quoting it leaves out quotes so I made the wrong assumption to who you claimed to be inactive and I was trying place my contribution too quick.

[S-FM Freddy Krueger]

Winning as scum? Because that's a bad vote.

Will you justify your accusation?

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

I believe that out of S-FM Shattered Glass or S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD. That one of them will be scum. I wouldn't mind a lynch on one of these two if we have no better choices, which I'm struggling to see. Yet I will continue to read into other players. Both players have claimed that they will contribute more, yet this is hardly done at all. So policy lynching on of them may indeed push the other one to really contribute.

I appreciate the answer to the last question I asked (concerning the dynamic behind the mafia choosing a deputy). Thanks.

Why do you believe that out of the two one is evil? That feels a bit random.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

It appears some may be unaware that the day was extended. How agitating.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

I shall be drawing some conclusions on who I want to lynch in a few hours. Stand by.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

Before I begin this ISO, I want to admit to my own doubts about whether I am indeed correct. Of course, any player can be ISO'd in both a negative or positive light. It's really our deep gut feeling that pushes us in one direction or the other. Nevertheless, I trust my gut. And I trust that I am more likely to be correct than incorrect. You can see this disclaimer as a weaselly "don't shoot me if I'm wrong" sort of thing, but I'd rather you saw it as me making you aware of my flexibility - Depending on what follows, I am willing to 180 on this and completely accept that I'm wrong.

However, given Shattered Glass' posts, I don't think that's going to happen. When we scrutinize his behavior for the entire game, the odds are certainly not in his favor.

Day 1

Shattered opens with the following post:


I have nothing to add to this current discussion. Are there any questions people would like to ask me?

His first post foreshadows his play for the rest of the game. "uhh not really doing anything significant. Can someone else question and talk and drive me forward?" He's definitely not a player with an open agenda. Not scumhunting, not metaing, not trying to glean knowledge of the other players, nor is he trying to publicize efficient town strategies. Just a passenger.

So, the question is, is he just an apprehensive, unsure town or is he a scum trying to keep their head down? Naturally, I argue the latter.

He makes some minor contributions. His minor contributions suggest he has a far better idea of how this game works than he acts like. He references an advanced strategy where the mafia will choose to not kill to make roleblockers think they roleblocked the killer [post #29] and demonstrates he has clearly thought about whom the mafia would choose as TPRs [post #29]. Indeed, he seems to have quite a lot to add to the current discussion, he just seems rather apprehensive to add it, and would rather focus on generating as little substance as possible. I find it rather strange that a well-versed player wouldn't be familiar with the most fundamental fact of town: if you don't contribute SOMETHING LONGER THAN A FEW SENTENCES, you screw the town over.

He then makes this rather strange post:


I hope no PR chose a consigliere. That thing has the power to out all the PR's in one night. Providing they target the same target/ target the PR.

"Gee, imagine if TPRs gave mafia a consig. Wouldn't that suck?"
"Uhhh... Yeah... I guess... why are you saying this, though?"
"What? Oh. Just saying. Nothing relevant to this. Ignore."
"Oh... Okay..."

Later on, The Sheriff reveals he chose Godfather and Consigliere as the two possible roles to give to the mafia. Hmmmmmmmmmm...

God, it really feels like he was grappling so hard for something empty to write that he just decided to make a random comment about a real mafia role.

Later, for his grand conclusion, after Rick Grimes notes he needs to make one more post to meet the minimum requirement of 5, he literally posts "I have nothing to post" and then says nothing for the rest of the game, not even commenting on the lynch train.

In all fairness, the argument for him being an incredibly lazy town is still worth acknowledging at this point. It's day 2 where he REALLY shits the bed and looks scum.

Day 2

Shattered Glass doesn't fuck around. He launches us right back into the shitshow of his terrible play.


I received no Feedback last night.
So. Things have started?

Good, I'm glad you're picking me up as potential scum. I was hoping it'd be noticed.
My contribution today will be a lot more.

Toads Doesn't sit right with me. Irrelevant of the vote on me.

I wonder if Mafia killed eachother for the lolz.

His first two lines are almost completely meaningless. They just make the post look longer.

"Good, I'm glad you're picking me up as potential scum." - okay, this implies his scumplay is deliberate or at the very least that he is aware of it. Generally, if a town is deliberately scummy, it's for some kind of gambit or reaction test. Shattered Glass does no such thing. He is literally shamelessly waving his scummyness in our faces. A town wouldn't be happy that he's distracting us from finding real scum by being so objectively suspicious. They'd at the very least have some degree of shame for attracting suspicion despite not even being a bad person. I know it's cruel, but it's true.

In reality, it seems he's simply saying this as a hollow way to get on our warm side, like other posts today. By being so open about his own scummy character, it's supposed to make us think "phew, he's on our level. He agrees with us. He's not a slimy scum, he's a town who knows what they're doing!". In reality, it makes me think "Yep, he definitely isn't a lazy town if he's making such vain posts to stroke our egos."

His final 2 lines are simply more fluff. posts 90, 91 and 105 are more fluff. Meaningless. Not even worth quoting

106 is humorous (the one where he literally says "Jeeeeez why is there a lack of meaningful stuff being said to analyze! Why can't the laggards say something meaningful?!") but ultimately more fluff to seem like he's adding something. Post #107:


How can we possibly decide who is being the scummy shit.

Toad, by incriminating me you are going to make me live longer.

More ironic moaning about the lack of contribution. Then he says something strange: "Toad, by incriminating me you are going to make me live longer." That sounds like a post from a town's perspective at first glance because he's considering the nightkill hitting him. But it's strange that he's now criticizing suspicion on him. Earlier he glorified it. This may seem like an obscure point, but my point is highlighting that his thought processes (if he is town) are contradictory. Not contradictory in a "stupid moment" kind of way - rather, he stated "oooh it's great that you guys are seeing me as a piece of shit" earlier for vain reasons of seeming good, then later forgot about this vain post and made an attempt to discourage suspicion on him with reasoning that goes against past reasoning. It's as if he's blindly fighting suspicion against him rather than building a consistent perspective like a town would.

#110 and #111 are more fluff. #132:


Okay, I'm on.

I implore you, Freddy, to reconsider your reads. Although I may not be helping town *that* much, I am not being sufficiently anti-town to warrant a lynch.
I find it incredibly unfortunate that I'm also never on when anyone else is.

Interesting how he seems to build the most reasoning in regards to his own defense, as little reasoning as that already is. But this is the most ridiculous defense I have ever heard: "Okay, I'm anti-town. But, according to an arbitrary 'sufficient anti-towniness' line I have created, I am not anti-town enough to be lynched." This is also remarkable when you contrast it to his earlier comments where he is "glad the town caught up on how ridiculously scummy I am". Again, more incoherent reasoning that represents a scum defense rather than a town with genuine reasoning.


If you want my list from Scum to town
Towny
S-FM Frank Underwood
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Toads
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Freddy Krueger
Scummy

Thats the order in which I could understand lynching people.
If you require my roleflip, then you may use it.

The "fluff" I cut out was mainly just him going "Oh, I like this guy!" or "Oh, I don't like this guy any more.". It strikes me as completely empty as he gives absolutely no physical reasoning behind his ideas or even a mild allusion to his thought process. He tells us we can use his roleflip, but if he does flip town, these posts will be completely meaningless because he changed his mind every 20 posts and had absolutely no reasoning to base what he was saying on.


If you wish to actually perform a lynch today. I suggest lynching MIST. However if this happens, I understand that my sort of behavior cannot continue.

More focusing on the potentiality of his own lynch. He can really feel the likelihood that we're going to choose him. Seriously.


and that sounded sooo scummy to even me.

*facepalm*. And what a magnificently awkward post to finish your complete shitshow of posts this game.

I can accept that you may not have the time to read all of this. But I recommend reading at least a little to get a feel for just how damn scummy the guy really is. Anyway, overall:

-He had an incredible aversion to talking d1, only to step up the fluff and filler to fit in on d2. Not very towny.

-If he is a town, he is putting absolutely no thought into how he wants to win this game, which naturally leads me to believe he is putting thought into how to win as a scum instead.

^These two points alone may only suggest a lazy / shitty townie, however:

-He makes vain posts to seem towny, and uses reasoning to back up his towniness that contradicts other reasoning he uses to back up his towniness. This suggests there's something far more severe going on.

[S-FM Frank Underwood]

And, naturally:

S-FM Shattered Glass

[Firebringer]

Two Hours Left Until Day End.

[Firebringer]

Night 2:

The town was completely indecisive as they continued to panic over not knowing where to find that last will of Rick Grimes. No evidence was conclusive either way to lynch anyone. They decided based on previous days to let calmer minds to decide.



No Lynch Occurred!




Player List
Role List
GraveYard


S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Shattered Glass
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Chariston Blandpole
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Freddy Krueger
S-FM Rick Grimes
S-FM Toads
S-FM Frank Underwood
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Town Power
Town Power
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
S-FM Chariston Blandpole-Town Deputy
S-FM Rick Grimes-Killed Night 1, Role Unknown.



Night Ends When This Reaches Zero (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151109T01&p0=599&msg=Night+2&font=cursive&csz=1#)

[Firebringer]

Day 3:

Last night the town met some unfortunate accidents. Not only did one person die but also another. Both they couldn't find any last wills but they knew their names and that is all they had to go on. The town was down to so few people, and the evil surrounding them was becoming to pervasive for them to handle.



S-FM Freddy Kruegar died last night! His role is ???
He left no last will.


S-FM Frank Underwood died last night! His role is ???
He left no last will.




Player List
Role List
GraveYard


S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Shattered Glass
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Chariston Blandpole
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Freddy Krueger
S-FM Rick Grimes
S-FM Toads
S-FM Frank Underwood
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Town Power
Town Power
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
S-FM Chariston Blandpole-Town Deputy
S-FM Rick Grimes-Killed Night 1, Role Unknown.
S-FM Freddy Kruegar-Killed Night 2, Role Unknown.
S-FM Frank Underwood-Killed Night 2, Role Unknown.



Day Ends At This Time (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151111T13&p0=599&msg=Day+3&font=cursive&csz=1#)


Note: Since I was about 9 hours late on setting up new day, giving you guys extra time.

[Firebringer]

With 5 Alive, 363841

[S-FM Toads]

I thought for a moment that Mafia had two janitors, but it looks like jailor cleans roles as well. Jailor might as well claim since you can't kill anymore and we won't mislynch you.

Please don't vote until we figure out what we're doing. Being that's its LYLO. Don't want the mafia to ninja vote to end the game.

Shattered glass was tough to lynch yesterday and he should have been lynched. I'm disappointed that didn't happen. Gonna go see who voted and didn't vote for him and see if anything makes sense there.

Again DON'T VOTE until we know what we're going to do.

[S-FM Toads]

Also jailor let us know who you killed and what they were. Might not be LYLO!

[S-FM Walter White]

Yami Yugi - thoughts?

[S-FM Toads]

Freddy, Frank, and me all voted Shattered Glass

Guess it depends if one of them was mafia and jailor killed them before I can analyze that

[S-FM Toads]

S-FM Chariston Blandpole (5 [L-0]): S-FM Toads, S-FM Walter White, S-FM Freddy Krueger, S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD, S-FM Yami Yugi

No shattered glass on that vote... I feel like there was probably at least 1 scum there so now idk

[S-FM Toads]

Jailor did you kill Freddy? Was he mafia?

[S-FM Walter White]

Jailor did you kill Freddy? Was he mafia?

Why do you think they killed Freddy?

[S-FM Toads]

Why do you think they killed Freddy?

I think there was a mafia on that initial lynch. I'm asking jailor if Freddy was mafia. I'm pretty sure I'm being pretty clear about my thought dump here.

[S-FM Walter White]

I think there was a mafia on that initial lynch. I'm asking jailor if Freddy was mafia. I'm pretty sure I'm being pretty clear about my thought dump here.

But how do you know jailor killed Freddy?

[S-FM Walter White]

Scum slip!

[S-FM Toads]

I just asked if jailor killed Frank or Freddy


Also jailor let us know who you killed and what they were. Might not be LYLO!
But how do you know jailor killed Freddy?

I then asked if he killed Freddy since Freddy was on the initial lynch and Frank was not.


S-FM Chariston Blandpole (5 [L-0]): S-FM Toads, S-FM Walter White, S-FM Freddy Krueger, S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD, S-FM Yami Yugi

No shattered glass on that vote... I feel like there was probably at least 1 scum there so now idk


Jailor did you kill Freddy? Was he mafia?

Notice I asked if Freddy was jail killed, did not state that he was. You really need to learn how to read, RLVG.

[S-FM Walter White]

I'm asking jailor if Freddy was mafia.
I read your comment pretty well.
No answer from the jailor and you decide which one was killed.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

I'm willing to lynch MIST or Freddy.
Those are my two scum leans.

Do you honestly think I'm on a team with Freddy?


I believe that out of S-FM Shattered Glass or S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD. That one of them will be scum. I wouldn't mind a lynch on one of these two if we have no better choices, which I'm struggling to see. Yet I will continue to read into other players. Both players have claimed that they will contribute more, yet this is hardly done at all. So policy lynching on of them may indeed push the other one to really contribute.

I definitally see Shattered Glass as able to be scum, as he is very inconsistent and tries to make his posts hard to read. Lots of posts with actually little contribution.


I thought for a moment that Mafia had two janitors, but it looks like jailor cleans roles as well. Jailor might as well claim since you can't kill anymore and we won't mislynch you.

Please don't vote until we figure out what we're doing. Being that's its LYLO. Don't want the mafia to ninja vote to end the game.

Shattered glass was tough to lynch yesterday and he should have been lynched. I'm disappointed that didn't happen. Gonna go see who voted and didn't vote for him and see if anything makes sense there.

Again DON'T VOTE until we know what we're going to do.


Also jailor let us know who you killed and what they were. Might not be LYLO!

You seem very insistent on Jailor claiming.

Why should the jailor claim so early?


I thought for a moment that Mafia had two janitors, but it looks like jailor cleans roles as well. Jailor might as well claim since you can't kill anymore and we won't mislynch you.

Please don't vote until we figure out what we're doing. Being that's its LYLO. Don't want the mafia to ninja vote to end the game.

Shattered glass was tough to lynch yesterday and he should have been lynched. I'm disappointed that didn't happen. Gonna go see who voted and didn't vote for him and see if anything makes sense there.

Again DON'T VOTE until we know what we're going to do.


I read your comment pretty well.
No answer from the jailor and you decide which one was killed.

Completely true.



Going back over, I think that the Jailor is actually Shattered Glass himself.

[S-FM Toads]

I read your comment pretty well.
No answer from the jailor and you decide which one was killed.

I'm trying to figure things out and dumping my thoughts and QUESTIONS. I'm very clear about why I'm asking about Freddy specifically, which is that he was on the initial lynch.

You just love looking for things where there are none. If you really are RLVG (which I'm sure of at this point), you've backed off before when you understood that you were misunderstanding what I was trying to say versus what you thought was a slip. The fact that you keep pushing this as a slip is just silly and makes me very suspicious of why you're trying to make a slip out of nothing.

[S-FM Toads]

Mist, why wouldn't jailor claim at this point? He can clarify if its LYLO or not, who he killed whether town or mafia, and he doesn't have any more executions. Claiming now would give us more information.

Also, why would you state in the same post that you think shattered glass could be scum and then claim he could be jailor?

[S-FM Walter White]

Mist, why wouldn't jailor claim at this point? He can clarify if its LYLO or not, who he killed whether town or mafia, and he doesn't have any more executions. Claiming now would give us more information.

Also, why would you state in the same post that you think shattered glass could be scum and then claim he could be jailor?

That's exactly my thought. He's scum and jailor. XD

Btw I'm jailor. Freddy was town.
I still think that your comment was suspicious, but Mist is even worse.

[S-FM Toads]

That's exactly my thought. He's scum and jailor. XD

Btw I'm jailor. Freddy was town.
I still think that your comment was suspicious, but Mist is even worse.


S-FM Chariston Blandpole (5 [L-0]): S-FM Toads, S-FM Walter White, S-FM Freddy Krueger, S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD, S-FM Yami Yugi

No shattered glass on that vote... I feel like there was probably at least 1 scum there so now idk

Okay so Freddy wasn't scum and you're jailor. I'm still pretty sure there was at least 1 scum on this train.

I'm not opposed to lynching Mist

[S-FM Walter White]

Well, as it stands, it's a 50/50 on getting scum.

Chances of both scum being on the wagon?
Mist seems the obvious choice.

Btw, I only executed Freddy as he didn't speak in the QT.

[S-FM Toads]

Well, as it stands, it's a 50/50 on getting scum.

Chances of both scum being on the wagon?
Mist seems the obvious choice.

Btw, I only executed Freddy as he didn't speak in the QT.

That's unfortunate but not a big deal. Had you not executed him it would have been MLYLO anyway. At least its 50/50 like you said.

[S-FM Walter White]

So Mist is scum for me. Nothing will change my mind on that today...

[S-FM Toads]

So Mist is scum for me. Nothing will change my mind on that today...

I'm pretty convinced on that as well but let's hear what Yami Yugi and Shattered Glass have to say before convince ourselves of anythung 100%. Day just started

[S-FM Walter White]

I received no Feedback last night.
So. Things have started?

Good, I'm glad you're picking me up as potential scum. I was hoping it'd be noticed.
My contribution today will be a lot more.

Toads Doesn't sit right with me. Irrelevant of the vote on me.

I wonder if Mafia killed eachother for the lolz.

This post screams scum to me. I don't fully know why...


MIST is another. I want to hear from him
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
Freakin damn these super hard to write names.

Although, this post suggests differently? There was no reason for scum to start a wagon on each other at this point.

[S-FM Walter White]

If you wish to actually perform a lynch today. I suggest lynching MIST. However if this happens, I understand that my sort of behavior cannot continue.

Yeah, I can't see Glass and Mist as scum together.

[S-FM Walter White]

Yami Yugi looks like a good candidate for a Mist partner as it stands.

Lets here the others and see where we go from there.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Mist, why wouldn't jailor claim at this point? He can clarify if its LYLO or not, who he killed whether town or mafia, and he doesn't have any more executions. Claiming now would give us more information.

Also, why would you state in the same post that you think shattered glass could be scum and then claim he could be jailor?

These quotes were answered as I went through.

I thought he could either be scum or jailor.

Walter is jailor though, so I'd like to push glass.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

That's exactly my thought. He's scum and jailor. XD

Btw I'm jailor. Freddy was town.
I still think that your comment was suspicious, but Mist is even worse.

Wtf?

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

So Mist is scum for me. Nothing will change my mind on that today...

I can see why you think that.

I've been pretty busy in real life, otherwise I'd be spending a lot more time on this.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

I kind of see Glass and Toads or Glass and Yugi.

Either one kind of works for me.

[S-FM Toads]

I kind of see Glass and Toads or Glass and Yugi.

Either one kind of works for me.

"Either one of those are good, because they are notel me"

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

That's exactly my thought. He's scum and jailor. XD

Btw I'm jailor. Freddy was town.
I still think that your comment was suspicious, but Mist is even worse.

Was there a last will? If so please go ahead and post it.

I had honestly expected one of the Jailors to be either Shattered or Mist. Hence why I didn't push for either of their lynches and instead pushed for their contribution. The death of Freddy only further pushed my belief until I saw your claim. Yet the push for content failed and pushing for more seems to get us nowhere. We have to go from what they have posted.

But, it seemed both Mist and Glass had "Funny Feelings" about Freddy, both of them wrong. As pointed out I don't believe neither of them are on the same team, and because neither one of them decided to pick up their game after I claimed one of them to be scum does suggest that one of them is scum. The other just being a poor town player.

Which brings me to the topic of Toads. Seemingly picking up aggression at this stage of the game, after remaining at the ideal level for scum, Inbetween strong town voice and lurkers. This player we can assume is Toadette, and she, when town, normally plays with a much more aggressive play from the start. Only when she is scum and pushed will she commit.


If anyone wishes me to do a FoS I will do so. But I'd rarther not go the effort.

So. Its Toad and Either Mist or Glass

S-FM Toads

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

"Either one of those are good, because they are notel me"

It has the added bonus of doing that, though.

As it is generally agreed that glass is scum, I want to go against glass.

S-FM Shattered Glass

[S-FM Toads]

Was there a last will? If so please go ahead and post it.

I had honestly expected one of the Jailors to be either Shattered or Mist. Hence why I didn't push for either of their lynches and instead pushed for their contribution. The death of Freddy only further pushed my belief until I saw your claim. Yet the push for content failed and pushing for more seems to get us nowhere. We have to go from what they have posted.

But, it seemed both Mist and Glass had "Funny Feelings" about Freddy, both of them wrong. As pointed out I don't believe neither of them are on the same team, and because neither one of them decided to pick up their game after I claimed one of them to be scum does suggest that one of them is scum. The other just being a poor town player.

Which brings me to the topic of Toads. Seemingly picking up aggression at this stage of the game, after remaining at the ideal level for scum, Inbetween strong town voice and lurkers. This player we can assume is Toadette, and she, when town, normally plays with a much more aggressive play from the start. Only when she is scum and pushed will she commit.


If anyone wishes me to do a FoS I will do so. But I'd rarther not go the effort.

So. Its Toad and Either Mist or Glass

S-FM Toads

Nice defense of shattered glass.

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

Nice defense of shattered glass.

Yet you don't deny being scum or even defend yourself.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

I agree toads is scummy but glass is almost confirmed scum at this point yugi

We will EASY get a lynch on glass, but it will be harder and more risky to lynch toads

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I'm here, hours too late but it's better than nothing.
I knew something was off about Toads. But based on my failed read on Freddy(Regretfully) I cannot really use that as a lynch basis.
However, I do
I only know that MIST is probably scum.

Despite the challenging theory, I think it's rather peculiar that Walter hasn't been murdered by the Mafia yet.
From the start they seemed to be killing all the active "Town" People.
No one has put any suspicion onto him, yet he still lives, and the mafia kills Freddy Krueger.
Who, by the way, looked way scummier Walter.
It's safe to say we're at LYLO, and I still don't know what to believe anymore.

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

As it is generally agreed that glass is scum, I want to go against glass.


"Generally Agreed" Sure MIST, next thing we know its Walter and yami, managing to murder toads while we're still focused on eachother.

[S-FM Toads]

I'm here, hours too late but it's better than nothing.
I knew something was off about Toads. But based on my failed read on Freddy(Regretfully) I cannot really use that as a lynch basis.
However, I do
I only know that MIST is probably scum.

Despite the challenging theory, I think it's rather peculiar that Walter hasn't been murdered by the Mafia yet.
From the start they seemed to be killing all the active "Town" People.
No one has put any suspicion onto him, yet he still lives, and the mafia kills Freddy Krueger.
Who, by the way, looked way scummier Walter.
It's safe to say we're at LYLO, and I still don't know what to believe anymore.

Are you trying to say Walter is fakeclaiming jailor?

[S-FM Toads]

"Generally Agreed" Sure MIST, next thing we know its Walter and yami, managing to murder toads while we're still focused on eachother.

Could you explain this hypothetical a bit more?

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

The first post was before I read everything.
The second was after. Literally only a theory, and an improbable one.
Just trying a different point of view.
Scum could literally be anyone.
I really could see that maybe MIST is being not a very good town.
And the two scum are Toads, and Yami. Its a longshot.
Yami, I'm more sure than Toads.
and MIST, well. Yeah.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Glass is spouting more random crap,
than I do when I'm trying to rap.
Boi you need to shut yo trap.

[S-FM Walter White]

Well, since the game is not over, both scum are in Toads, Yami Yugi and Glass.

Wow, scum helped me with putting Mist as town. I did not expect that...

[S-FM Walter White]

Ah, ignore that post, I thought Toads voted glass. XD

[S-FM Toads]

Ah, ignore that post, I thought Toads voted glass. XD

No I'm still leaving mist

[S-FM Toads]

No I'm still leaving mist

Leaning

[S-FM Toads]

In face I think I've sewn enough.

S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but it feels right.

[S-FM Walter White]

Yeah I'm strongly thinking Toads and Glass with that vote.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Yeah I'm strongly thinking Toads and Glass with that vote.


Well, since the game is not over, both scum are in Toads, Yami Yugi and Glass.

Wow, scum helped me with putting Mist as town. I did not expect that...

Then vote glass with me :/

[S-FM Toads]

17 hours. . if we don't vote the mafia wins by default. You guys understand that right?

[S-FM Toads]

Pretty sure MIST/Yugi is the scum team here

[S-FM Shattered Glass]

I'll chuck a vote down. Everything will look scummy. Including this post.
Me talking only makes me seem more scummy so I'll say only this.
Chuck a vote down. Convince others to join your vote.
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD

[S-FM Yami Yugi]

GO DARK MAGICIAN. DARK MAGIC ATTACK

S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD

[The Godfather]

S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27093') (3 [L-0]): S-FM Yami Yugi ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=531302'), S-FM Toads ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=531229'), S-FM Shattered Glass ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=531299')
S-FM Shattered Glass ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27094') (1 [L-2]): S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=531181')

[Firebringer]

Game Over
The town gathered for what would be the last lynching. As they started trying to process all the events leading up to now they decided that S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD was the one to go. He didn't fit in well with the town anyways.


S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD was lynched he was a Town Citizen

The Mafia Team has Won
Congratulations to S-FM Toads and S-FM Yami Yugi



Player List
Role List
GraveYard


S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Shattered Glass
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Chariston Blandpole
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Freddy Krueger
S-FM Rick Grimes
S-FM Toads
S-FM Frank Underwood
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Town Power
Town Power
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
S-FM Chariston Blandpole-Town Deputy
S-FM Rick Grimes-Killed Night 1, Role Unknown.
S-FM Freddy Kruegar-Killed Night 2, Role Unknown.
S-FM Frank Underwood-Killed Night 2, Role Unknown.
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD-Town Citizen

[Firebringer]

Player List:



Anon Account
Player
Role


S-FM Toads
S-FM Yami Yugi
S-FM Walter White
S-FM Rick Grimes
S-FM Frank Underwood
S-FM Shattered Glass
S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD
S-FM Freddy Krueger
S-FM Chariston Blandpole
Toadette
SuperJack
Vedith
RLVG
Yzb25
Funce
Stealthbomber16
Metal Sonic
Iceepirate
Mafia Janitor
Mafia Framer
Jailor
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Deputy



Host Thoughts:
The game was incredibly inactive, I think this is mostly due to anon accounts and a few players being relatively new to our site. The game was frustrating to watch since their was so little activity and I kept extending times and town barely used any of it for discussion. I think I am going to avoid anon accounts for future games because players simply weren't active or the setup wasn't interesting enough to keep people engaged.

Mafia Night Chat:
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/ZRTzbMWcS34c6
Jailor Chat:
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/rbNGzUZcXAT

MVP:
I honestly don't think this game ran long enough or had enough activity to truly qualify for MVP, but if anyone deserves it, it would definitely be SuperJack. He really controlled day discussion for the town. He was able to get a lynch off Day 1 on deputy, no one really pressured him even for that, and was able to do a good bus on his teammate without anyone questioning his affiliations to anyone.

[Firebringer]

The game was simplistic, like I said before it had quite a few changes from mafia scum such as more diverse role list IMO, the Jailor was really weakened and I was happy to see Mafia pick it. I don't think I will run this game ever again though partly because expecting a big WIFOM battle pregame is kind of like flipping a coin on what you get.

The mafia had huge advantage just based on roles in the game. If this were ever to run again I probably would just have a Day 1 where everyone discusses and have the TPR and Mafia pick then for roles by days end. Would be probably much better of a game.

If anyone thought that I don't random I would say to just look at the teams, I thought this was a little unfair to town by having Toadette and Super on same team but I stuck to the random, Icee being his first game unfortunately I thought he could handle it better ;(

Anyways any thoughts or concerns?
I am open to some criticism.

[Frog]

The inactivity in this game was very sad to watch as an observer.

I was also kind of confused as to why a Townie would suggest everyone discuss what they would pick as roles for each team.

Mafia can easily just lie, Townies are likely to tell the truth. That makes identifying the TPRs incredibly easy with no real way to find the Mafia. Yami was so open with his picks so to encourage everyone else to be as open/divulging. This was interpreted as a Town move somehow.

I would have played this game like a Vanilla 2 v 7. That would have required a lot of vote shuffling and activity, something this game was incapable of doing in the first place.

^Therefore this was a doomed game from the start imo.

**SuperJack was still very amusing to read.

[SuperJack]

I will post more when I get home.

[S-FM BRING BACK MIST YOU COWARD]

Danged TvT arguments


gg superjack

[RLVG]

I was a Citizen who got killed for being too active, lol.

[Toadette]

GG everyone

I am not surprised by most anon flips except I really did think Walter was RLVG ^_^

[S-FM Walter White]

Thanks for the game all. Walter White tips his hat off to the scum.
Cheers for modding FB

[Toadette]

Anyway,

Iceepirate

Mafia was overpowered and was going to win no matter what.

Iceepirate did nothing scummy unlike mist and shattered glass and Freddy who appeared scummy all game. He also didn't jail and execute a town player and he didn't mislynch anybody. He almost stayed under the radar just enough to survive a day 1 lynch and he would have probably saved the game had he not had 2 scum push his mislynch. In fact trying to stay under the radar was a good play for a deputy.

Of all the town players he played the best and deserves MVP this game.

[Frog]

Anyway,

Iceepirate

Mafia was overpowered and was going to win no matter what.

Iceepirate did nothing scummy unlike mist and shattered glass and Freddy who appeared scummy all game. He also didn't jail and execute a town player and he didn't mislynch anybody. He almost stayed under the radar just enough to survive a day 1 lynch and he would have probably saved the game had he not had 2 scum push his mislynch. In fact trying to stay under the radar was a good play for a deputy.

Of all the town players he played the best and deserves MVP this game.

Did you see the Jailor chat?

The person who was jailed didn't even show up to the jail chat.

[Toadette]

Did you see the Jailor chat?

The person who was jailed didn't even show up to the jail chat.

Iceepirate MVP!

[yzb25]

The inactivity in this game was very sad to watch as an observer.

I was also kind of confused as to why a Townie would suggest everyone discuss what they would pick as roles for each team.

Mafia can easily just lie, Townies are likely to tell the truth. That makes identifying the TPRs incredibly easy with no real way to find the Mafia. Yami was so open with his picks so to encourage everyone else to be as open/divulging. This was interpreted as a Town move somehow.

I would have played this game like a Vanilla 2 v 7. That would have required a lot of vote shuffling and activity, something this game was incapable of doing in the first place.

^Therefore this was a doomed game from the start imo.

**SuperJack was still very amusing to read.

It was a shit conversation starter. But all the other stuff I could think of saying and doing (pressure voting, trolling, exc.) would only receive apathy / short replies due to the nature of the setup, as you alluded to.

Anyway, what did TPR pick in the end? I'm curious.

[yzb25]

Iceepirate MVP!

iceepirate

Yes and more yes.

[SuperJack]

iceepirate

Yes and more yes.

I would like to add to this that he also lied about his prefered mafia choices which meant that mafia would of not killed him at night for being a tpr.

[SuperJack]

iceepirate

[DarknessB]

IceePirate: Swabber of Poop Decks
Aw, that didn't work -- RIP cool pirate names. Fine:
IceePirate