S-FM 164: Greater idea

[ika]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs

[ika]

Discards
Toadett - Town Mason/Doctor
Superjack - Town Mason
Hinata - Town 1-Shot Day Vigilante
Frog - Lyncher
RLVG - Mafia Goon
Slaol - Ninja Werewolf
DarknessB - Mafia Goon
Klingoncelt - Vanilla Townie
slender - Vanilla Townie
vedith - Town Lover
firebringer - town cop

[ika]

Day will start tonight at midnight cental (ill get a countdown in a min)

[ika]

https://countingdownto.com/countdown/event-name-countdown-clock-a4ad9b27-eb6f-4014-aa28-b918ff2b513c

fuck you lock thing

[ika]

11 alive, 6

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20151103T00&p0=171&msg=day+end&font=cursive&csz=1

im doing this early so i can get sleep,

[Firebringer]

Discards
Toadett - Town Mason/Doctor
Superjack - Town Mason
Hinata - Town 1-Shot Day Vigilante
Frog - Lyncher
RLVG - Mafia Goon
Slaol - Ninja Werewolf
DarknessB - Mafia Goon
Klingoncelt - Vanilla Townie
slender - Vanilla Townie
vedith - Town Lover
firebringer - town cop

Interesting discards.

So not much to discuss with Kling/Slender or even DarknessB/RLVG drops.

Hinato dropping vigilante I consider pro town.

If anyone is curious why I dropped mine, you will love to hear that story.
Going to save it for a future day though.

Vedith drop makes sense too.

So I guess I want to focus on the people:
Toadette and Super. Slaol choice also.

We don't now if people who had 2 cards were scum for both.

Lots to think about.

I am wondering based on personality if some players would take VT over scum roles....I would, not sure on others.

[Firebringer]

Masons are a very good role, I am very curious on the other roles SuperJack/Toadette got...

Also I suspect at least 1 of the people who dropped a scum role had another choice as a scum role.

[DarknessB]

Interesting discards.

So not much to discuss with Kling/Slender or even DarknessB/RLVG drops.

Hinato dropping vigilante I consider pro town.

If anyone is curious why I dropped mine, you will love to hear that story.
Going to save it for a future day though.

Vedith drop makes sense too.

So I guess I want to focus on the people:
Toadette and Super. Slaol choice also.

We don't now if people who had 2 cards were scum for both.

Lots to think about.

I am wondering based on personality if some players would take VT over scum roles....I would, not sure on others.

Agreed -- very interesting drops. My explanation should be pretty obvious to anyone who has followed my play -- I'm much better at Town than scum, so I dropped the scum option.

[DarknessB]

Fire, why would you drop Town Cop? You tend to like playing pro-Town so that would be a good role for your Town Leader gimmick, yes?

[Firebringer]

Fire, why would you drop Town Cop? You tend to like playing pro-Town so that would be a good role for your Town Leader gimmick, yes?

My other role is a much better role for the town. Trust me.

[Slaol]

I am a doctor and protected myself from dying on my own veteran alert last night.

[Toadette]

im in to meny gms, not readin

DarknessB

[Toadette]

Masons are a very good role, I am very curious on the other roles SuperJack/Toadette got...

Also I suspect at least 1 of the people who dropped a scum role had another choice as a scum role.

With me discarding mason/doctor, you have two things to consider. Either I:

1 - got such an AWESOME role as an alternative that I deserve a doc on me every night

2 - I'm trying to WIFOM the shit out of this game

3 - I didn't read the setup and didn't know discarded roles would be revealed.

Up to everyone herebto decide. Until then, i prpose we aktivly lurk to honor are beloved hostie

[Toadette]

With me discarding mason/doctor, you have two things to consider. Either I:

1 - got such an AWESOME role as an alternative that I deserve a doc on me every night

2 - I'm trying to WIFOM the shit out of this game

3 - I didn't read the setup and didn't know discarded roles would be revealed.

Up to everyone herebto decide. Until then, i prpose we aktivly lurk to honor are beloved hostie

Ey thts 3 things mte

[Frog]

Is this a game?

Am I in this game?

I didn't receive any host PMs.

AFK until host alerts me of game start, role card, win-con.

[ika]

AFK until host alerts me of game start, role card, win-con.

All rolecards are out, its the one you did not discard. i gave exact copies from the wiki

[DarknessB]

Is this a game?

Am I in this game?

I didn't receive any host PMs.

AFK until host alerts me of game start, role card, win-con.

I found your role card, Frog:

Role Card
You are the Host!

Names / Roles
1. FireBringer, Framer
2. Ika, Citizen
3. RLVG, Godfather
4. StealthBomber16, Citizen
5. Bananacucho, Serial Killer
6. Mattzed, Agent
7. PowerofDeath, Doctor
8. Orpz, Vigilante
9. Hypersniper, Investigator
10. Lolunic0rn, Escort
11. Fatalis, Citizen
12. Dagaen, Bus Driver
GG

[RLVG]

I discarded Mafia because the host can be troll and make me a Solo Mafia, so I went with something town friendly.
Is it town or neutral? Ain't revealing that.



Now, looking at the discards :

Toadette - Why the fuck did you discard Mason and Doctor!!!
Superjack - Why did you discard the fucking Mason!
Firebringer - Why did you discard the Town Cop?

Klingon and Slender discarded Townie, lol. Understandable.

Looking at Lyncher, they will become Vanilla Townie upon failing, which should be a good thing?
I don't understand why Frog would discard that role.

Vedith discarded Town Lover which is supposed to have more than 1 lover.
Curious.

Hinata removed 1-Shot Day Vigilante, which might actually be the most critical Town Role, confirming themselves as well removing a threat spot on.



RLVG, Slaol, DarknessB, Klingon and Slender are those who've made reasonable discards.

[RLVG]

Gotta rush for Work, may be around later.

[DarknessB]

Re: Vedith's discard, according to that Mafiascum Wiki page on this game format, there could have been the possibility of a single Lover being chosen for this game. In that case, he would have essentially been a named Vanilla Townie.

[DarknessB]

Also, I agree that it would be very odd to discard the 1-Shot Day Vigilante in terms of threat elimination and confirmability. Hinata, when you're around, want to explain your thought process there?

[Slaol]

This is too much activity for day 1.

Let me know if I should answer anything

[Mathmatical]

have we started
?

[Firebringer]

Yes, the game has started.

[Mathmatical]

im a townie :D

[RLVG]

im a townie :D

Sure you are, sure you are.

[Mathmatical]

im not :O IM A MOSTER. *points a gun to his head

[Mathmatical]

it does kinda look suspicious that i discarded vanilla townie i guess XD

[Frog]

I'm so disappointed. :'(

I figured lyncher was an incredibly easy win and somewhat anti-town.

I discarded it in favor of watermeloann role card, but I don't know what my alliance or win con are.

[Frog]

Can someone give me a summary of the game so far?

[Mathmatical]

umm....... so far nothing major has happened

[Toadette]

Can someone give me a summary of the game so far?

i cant i aint readin

[Mathmatical]

im a townie doe :D so don't lynch me

[Toadette]

im a townie doe :D so don't lynch me

no deel

[Mathmatical]

Toadette

[Mathmatical]

lynch d1
ITS HAPPENING

[Frog]

Discards
Toadett - Town Mason/Doctor
Superjack - Town Mason
Hinata - Town 1-Shot Day Vigilante
Frog - Lyncher
RLVG - Mafia Goon
Slaol - Ninja Werewolf
DarknessB - Mafia Goon
Klingoncelt - Vanilla Townie
slender - Vanilla Townie
vedith - Town Lover
firebringer - town cop

Toadette

Back. I'm available for 30 seconds. Ask me anything and give me a summary.

[Mathmatical]

frogs playing sc2 mafia with me :D

[SuperJack]

I couldn't resist my other choice. It had me written all over it <3
I also couldn't rely on other people picking mason. Which seams to be the right choice.
Also host made an error and sent me an extra role card. :/

[Toadette]

Just try and mislynch me.

I dare you.

[Mathmatical]

O WE WILL

[Frog]

Someone give me a summary.

[Mathmatical]

were lynching toadette thats the summary :D

[Frog]

I couldn't resist my other choice. It had me written all over it <3
I also couldn't rely on other people picking mason. Which seams to be the right choice.
Also host made an error and sent me an extra role card. :/

You weren't aware of public discards.

You got rid of Mason because you hate town.

[SuperJack]

I love being Town. I get to be a dickhead and be right even if Im lynched.
No I wasn't a wear of the discards being public. Why tell me that?

[RLVG]

Just try and mislynch me.

I dare you.

Dare taken.
toadette

[Klingoncelt]

slendermenz

Trying way too hard.

[Mathmatical]

lol ima townie doe DONT MAKE ME MAKE YOU LOVE ME

[Klingoncelt]

*yawns*

bbl, going to sleep

[Toadette]

Dare taken.
toadette

I'm not afraid of you,

[Vedith]

Not had a chance to read up yet properly.
I'll be on after work though to add my 2 pence.

[Mathmatical]

with toadette a new bringing arises and new hope for the town

[RLVG]

I'm not afraid of you,

You're all barking and no biting.

[Toadette]

You're all barking and no biting.

Woof

[RLVG]

Woof

Doof

[Mathmatical]

(sighs) the spelling on that post. what i meant to say was


lynching toadette will sart a new beginning for the town, A NEW HOPE

[Mathmatical]

woem

[Mathmatical]

lol R.I.P toadette lynched d1

[RLVG]

Is Slender a troll?

[SuperJack]

He is extremely new to forum mafia.

[RLVG]

He is extremely new to forum mafia.

We need to send him to the Serious Mafia MLG Mastergraduate Camp.

[RLVG]

:troll: :troll: Toadette, wanna no lynch? :troll: :troll:

[Toadette]

lol R.I.P toadette lynched d1

Nope.


:troll: :troll: Toadette, wanna no lynch? :troll: :troll:

Naw I'm good.

[Toadette]

I am 0% okay with a Toadette lynch today.

Its not gonna happen anyway. I'm not worried.

[RLVG]

I am 0% okay with a Toadette lynch today.

Its not gonna happen anyway. I'm not worried.

This is probably the reverse of defending in style of WIFOM.

[DarknessB]

Is Slender a troll?

He's made a very bad name to himself. :wm:

[DarknessB]

I am 0% okay with a Toadette lynch today.

Its not gonna happen anyway. I'm not worried.

I'm pretty sure Toadette is trolling because this is an ika-hosted game. I imagine / hope she will clean up her act soon though.

[Toadette]

I'm pretty sure Toadette is trolling because this is an ika-hosted game. I imagine / hope she will clean up her act soon though.

How is that trolling? People are calling for my lynch based on my throw away alone. They want to run me up to L-1 to find out what awesome role I decided to keep based on that 1 bit of info and not the quality of my posts.

If I'm forced to claim I will but I'm not being lynched today.

[DarknessB]

How is that trolling? People are calling for my lynch based on my throw away alone. They want to run me up to L-1 to find out what awesome role I decided to keep based on that 1 bit of info and not the quality of my posts.

If I'm forced to claim I will but I'm not being lynched today.

I meant the earlier posts were trolling, lol. Day 1 role claims are not usually a good idea anyway. We should, however, encourage people to discuss why they discarded their original role, and try to do some baseline analysis.

Lastly, I'm not joining any train that slendermenz starts unless there's a specific reason. I get that he's new and trying to have fun, but it's a sad commentary that two experienced players jumped on said train for no reason. It's Day 1 and all, but that doesn't mean we should lose all common sense.

[Toadette]

I meant the earlier posts were trolling, lol. Day 1 role claims are not usually a good idea anyway. We should, however, encourage people to discuss why they discarded their original role, and try to do some baseline analysis.

Lastly, I'm not joining any train that slendermenz starts unless there's a specific reason. I get that he's new and trying to have fun, but it's a sad commentary that two experienced players jumped on said train for no reason. It's Day 1 and all, but that doesn't mean we should lose all common sense.

I already provided 3 possible reasons why I might have discarded my role. Going into further details possibly could put me in danger so I think I'll pass.

[DarknessB]

I already provided 3 possible reasons why I might have discarded my role. Going into further details possibly could put me in danger so I think I'll pass.

Re: discussing discards, it was intended as a general invitation to everyone, not to you specifically. I agree that you've given us reasons why you discarding a powerful Town role doesn't necessarily mean you're scum and I'm satisfied with that for now.

Others of us, *cough* slendermenz *cough* have simply stated that they are Town (sans further analysis) and have tried to start lynch trains. That comes off far more suspicious to me.

[DarknessB]

I'd like to hear from Hinata in particular given the powerful Town role that he passed up.

[Toadette]

slendermenz

[Firebringer]

slendermenz

I hacked his account he is actually a Serial Killer.

Get him boys!

[RLVG]

When and why the fuck did Toadette get a heart as well as pink name?

[Firebringer]

When and why the fuck did Toadette get a heart as well as pink name?

Its Slaols attempt at flirting with her.
Just try to ignore it and move on with your life.

Or laugh about it like I do.

[DarknessB]

When and why the fuck did Toadette get a heart as well as pink name?

By Yuki logic, it means that she's confirmed Town? :)

[DarknessB]

By Yuki logic, it means that she's confirmed Town? :)

Also, SuperJack should lead us because he speaks good English. :wm:

[RLVG]

Its Slaols attempt at flirting with her.
Just try to ignore it and move on with your life.

Or laugh about it like I do.

I want a name in sparkling rainbows.
Oh well, burning fire is cool enough.

Actually, I should have a rainbow icon because res0nz1

[RLVG]

slendermenz (3 [L-3]):
Toadette, Klingoncelt, Firebringer

Toadette (3 [L-3]):
slendermenz, Frog, RLVG

LOOK AT THEM COUNTERWAGONZ

[Toadette]

By Yuki logic, it means that she's confirmed Town? :)

Make sure you send cheka to my house to be safe

[Toadette]

slendermenz (3 [L-3]):
Toadette, Klingoncelt, Firebringer

Toadette (3 [L-3]):
slendermenz, Frog, RLVG

LOOK AT THEM COUNTERWAGONZ

U mad

[DarknessB]

slendermenz (3 [L-3]):
Toadette, Klingoncelt, Firebringer

Toadette (3 [L-3]):
slendermenz, Frog, RLVG

LOOK AT THEM COUNTERWAGONZ

It's not a counterwagon as much as an effort to get slendermenz to take the game a bit more seriously. Even considering the fact that it's only Day 1, his posts have left much to be desired.

[Firebringer]

Guys I think you are forgetting the bigger picture here.

Slendermenz has Serial Killer role card.

How can we let him walk freely?

[DarknessB]

Guys I think you are forgetting the bigger picture here.

Slendermenz has Serial Killer role card.

How can we let him walk freely?

I'm not allowed to sheep you until you activate the Town Leader role, a la Watermeloann lynch activation.

[Firebringer]

I'm not allowed to sheep you until you activate the Town Leader role, a la Watermeloann lynch activation.

The Leader of the Town has appeared!

[DarknessB]

The Leader of the Town has appeared!

:sheep: requirement met -- 1 vote to :sheep:.

slendermenz

[Toadette]

with slendermenz a new bringing arises and new hope for the town

lynching slendermenz will sart a new beginning for the town, A NEW HOPE

lol R.I.P slendermenz lynched d1

[DarknessB]

with slendermenz a new bringing arises and new hope for the town

lynching slendermenz will sart a new beginning for the town, A NEW HOPE

lol R.I.P slendermenz lynched d1

slendermenz is going to be the MattZed of a new generation of FM players, lol.

[Toadette]

slendermenz is going to be the MattZed of a new generation of FM players, lol.

What does this even MEAN

[DarknessB]

What does this even MEAN

Means he alienates people on Day 1 and gets lynched. You were in Camp Mafia -- you should know, lol.

[RLVG]

Nice "I Wik" badge, Darkness.

It's wiki

[Vedith]

So am I missing something that makes Slender look scummy? Because throwing away Citizen (Vanilla Townie) seems a lot more practical than Mason/Doc.

Toadette

I'd like to keep the wagons at even lengths.

[DarknessB]

So am I missing something that makes Slender look scummy? Because throwing away Citizen (Vanilla Townie) seems a lot more practical than Mason/Doc.

Toadette

I'd like to keep the wagons at even lengths.

Did you even read his posts? He basically has refused to give information, shitpost a bunch, and then tried to start a train on someone else. That's anti-Town and negative contribution in terms of derailing discussion.

[Vedith]

So who else has given information up to this stage?
Shitposting isn't align indication, given negative contribution...
And starting a train on someone else isn't align indication.

[Toadette]

So am I missing something that makes Slender look scummy? Because throwing away Citizen (Vanilla Townie) seems a lot more practical than Mason/Doc.

Toadette

I'd like to keep the wagons at even lengths.

This is a waste of a vote since I'm not getting lynched.

[Firebringer]

So far all that I gathered is that Toadette and Slendermenz are not in a scum group together.

[RLVG]

So who else has given information up to this stage?
Shitposting isn't align indication, given negative contribution...
And starting a train on someone else isn't align indication.

I gave info on myself about being a town friendly role.

I'd like to see Toadette lynched just because of the discarding of Mason/Doctor. I mean, seriously, those two roles are extremely Pro-Town.

[Vedith]

This is a waste of a vote since I'm not getting lynched.

Over confidence, or crumb? I wonder...

[RLVG]

Over confidence, or crumb? I wonder...

Normal arrogance.

Y'know, Tsunderes.

[Toadette]

Over confidence, or crumb? I wonder...

Up to you to decide

[DarknessB]

So who else has given information up to this stage?
Shitposting isn't align indication, given negative contribution...
And starting a train on someone else isn't align indication.

Many of us (Fire, me, Toadette among others) have explained why they discarded their role card. slendermenz just shitposted with "I'm Town" and tried to start a train against Toadette. I know you're new to this site and its meta, but it's not that hard to understand. Toadette gave us three possible reasons why she would have discarded a strong Town card. Whereas slendermenz just chuckles about being suspicious.

None of these things indicate alignment, but I'm more inclined to lynch the person who isn't posting anything of value than the person who is.

[DarknessB]

Many of us (Fire, me, Toadette among others) have explained why they discarded their role card. slendermenz just shitposted with "I'm Town" and tried to start a train against Toadette. I know you're new to this site and its meta, but it's not that hard to understand. Toadette gave us three possible reasons why she would have discarded a strong Town card. Whereas slendermenz just chuckles about being suspicious.

None of these things indicate alignment, but I'm more inclined to lynch the person who isn't posting anything of value than the person who is.

Add RLVG to the mix as well as a contributor. I'm sure there are others, but slendermenz is in the rare category of "has posted a lot, but nothing useful at all". That's not where you want to be. If he gets back and starts contributing, I'll consider unvoting, but I think my vote is very appropriate right now.

[Vedith]

Many of us (Fire, me, Toadette among others) have explained why they discarded their role card. slendermenz just shitposted with "I'm Town" and tried to start a train against Toadette. I know you're new to this site and its meta, but it's not that hard to understand. Toadette gave us three possible reasons why she would have discarded a strong Town card. Whereas slendermenz just chuckles about being suspicious.

None of these things indicate alignment, but I'm more inclined to lynch the person who isn't posting anything of value than the person who is.

And you are fine with the role Mason/Doc disposed of and reasoning to back it? This should be the concern...
So what you are basically doing is a policy lynch - Someone hasn't added value to the game as of yet, lynch. I'm sure there are other names who haven't given anything to the game as of yet.

[Vedith]

However, I do like the fact you named the only 3 people on the wagon and then added 'others'...

[DarknessB]

And you are fine with the role Mason/Doc disposed of and reasoning to back it? This should be the concern...
So what you are basically doing is a policy lynch - Someone hasn't added value to the game as of yet, lynch. I'm sure there are other names who haven't given anything to the game as of yet.

I'm not 100% fine with it, but Toadette explained her reasoning, which I'm willing to accept for now. Of course, we should keep an eye on her and press her more in the days to come. Far more dangerous are the people we allow to get away with not contributing and trying to throw votes around for no apparent reason.

It's a pressure vote and message to slendermenz -- start contributing or else. At the very least, stop derailing chat with inane posts.

[Firebringer]

Vedith

Vedith is trying to look town, ergo he is scum.
GG.

[DarknessB]

Vedith

Vedith is trying to look town, ergo he is scum.
GG.

It's not even that -- it's more like he seems to object to the idea of pressuring someone, who has shitpost and tried to start a train, into being a better contributor. Makes me suspect that the two might be aligned...

[Firebringer]

It's not even that -- it's more like he seems to object to the idea of pressuring someone, who has shitpost and tried to start a train, into being a better contributor. Makes me suspect that the two might be aligned...

Dude your posts look like this is your scum game too Darkness.

Shit...

[Toadette]

However, I do like the fact you named the only 3 people on the wagon and then added 'others'...

What you're saying is there's no chance at all I had a better role that I kept instead. Even though discarding that role might have gotten us into this situation anyway.

Yeah okay.

[Toadette]

Vedith

Vedith is trying to look town, ergo he is scum.
GG.

I really don't ever get you. "Look town? Scum."

[Vedith]

Vedith

Vedith is trying to look town, ergo he is scum.
GG.

You caught me! *Holds our wrists*

[Vedith]

What you're saying is there's no chance at all I had a better role that I kept instead. Even though discarding that role might have gotten us into this situation anyway.

Yeah okay.

Possible? Yes.
Probably? Depends if you think scum roles are better?

But why are you saying this if you won't be lynched anyway?

[Toadette]

Possible? Yes.
Probably? Depends if you think scum roles are better?

But why are you saying this if you won't be lynched anyway?

That's right I won't.

[DarknessB]

For anyone who doesn't believe me:


have we started
?

Moderately legitimate post, but I believe ika said we had started. Fine, I guess.


im a townie :D

Provides no information -- who wouldn't be claiming Townie right now? Almost like he went out of his way not to include any further information.


im not :O IM A MOSTER. *points a gun to his head

Troll post / no value.


it does kinda look suspicious that i discarded vanilla townie i guess XD

Admits he looks suspicious, but doesn't elaborate further or try to indicate why we shouldn't suspect him. Why would you make a post like this and not elaborate. SMH.


umm....... so far nothing major has happened

Provides summary to Frog, but post that doesn't add much. Stuff had happened by this point. Slight negative in terms of dismissing earlier events.


im a townie doe :D so don't lynch me

Flailing type joke post. Not helpful.


Toadette

Randomly votes Toadette in response to a glib post.


lynch d1
ITS HAPPENING

Trolling re: lynch.


frogs playing sc2 mafia with me :D

Off-topic.


O WE WILL

More trolling re: lynch.


were lynching toadette thats the summary :D

Even more trolling re: lynch. Note: He has at no point indicated WHY Toadette should be lynched.


lol ima townie doe DONT MAKE ME MAKE YOU LOVE ME

More trolling re: being Town without any further information.


with toadette a new bringing arises and new hope for the town

Even more trolling re: lynch.


(sighs) the spelling on that post. what i meant to say was


lynching toadette will sart a new beginning for the town, A NEW HOPE

Even more trolling re: lynch.


lol R.I.P toadette lynched d1

Even more trolling re: lynch.

***

Summary: Tons of posts, very little content (if any whatsoever), but managed to incite a lynch train without even giving a reason why he was suspicious of Toadette. And of course, tons of trolling. Overall, disruptive of conversation. I know it's Day 1 so a little trolling is natural, but I want this over-the-top lack of productive posts by slendermenz to stop so we can have a productive game.

[DarknessB]

Non-controversial proposal: if you're going to vote someone, you should probably explain why. Or else it comes off fishy.

[Vedith]

Keep in mind I'm not voting Toadette because of what Slender has said, I'm voting because I think there was scum motive to the throw away.
I don't see Slender's play as scum motive but rather piss around null.

I'm not going to vote someone for a null action rather than a scum action. It's always good to have 2 active wagons anyway.

[DarknessB]

Keep in mind I'm not voting Toadette because of what Slender has said, I'm voting because I think there was scum motive to the throw away.
I don't see Slender's play as scum motive but rather piss around null.

I'm not going to vote someone for a null action rather than a scum action. It's always good to have 2 active wagons anyway.

That's fine -- I have no problem with people like you and RLVG who are voting because they have a reason to do so. That's healthy and contributes to our collective thoughts. What I don't like are people who vote without any reason and then don't post anymore.

[Vedith]

Btw, keep note that FB unvoted Slender to put Toadette into the lead.

[DarknessB]

Also, there's a bit of recent meta around this site where certain players deliberately act incapable to get people to discount them as threats, but of course end up being scum. I.e. I don't want to give slendermenz a pass simply because he's trying to act like a clueless townie. That has caused the Town to lose in two recent games (Yuki/ika in Camp Mafia and Stealth in Prime Minister).

[Firebringer]

Btw, keep note that FB unvoted Slender to put Toadette into the lead.

Keep note, I am hungry and my roommate is making waffles.

Yum.

[DarknessB]

Btw, keep note that FB unvoted Slender to put Toadette into the lead.

I don't know that he specifically unvoted for that reason, but that was the result -- sure.

[Vedith]

I worded incorrectly...
Btw, keep note that FB unvoted Slender which put Toadette into the lead.

I can see FB doing this for town cred it Toadette is lynched, either flip.

[Toadette]

I worded incorrectly...
Btw, keep note that FB unvoted Slender which put Toadette into the lead.

I can see FB doing this for town cred it Toadette is lynched, either flip.

Or are you just saying this because Fire bit at you first?

[SuperJack]

Stop calling FireBringer as FB.

[DarknessB]

Stop calling FireBringer as FB.

Can we call you SJ?

[Vedith]

Or are you just saying this because Fire bit at you first?

He always bites at me first, it's standard.

[Vedith]

Stop calling FireBringer as FB.

Meh, I've always called him it. If it's an issue I'll do my best to put the effort into spelling it all.

[Toadette]

Can we call you SJ?

Are you DB?

[Toadette]

Stop calling FireBringer as FB.

Not too long ago he was PB. If he would have been piratebringer of justice he would have been PB&J

Really dropped the ball on that one.

[RLVG]

Stop calling FireBringer as FB.

Guys, stop calling Firebringer Facebook.

[DarknessB]

Guys, stop calling Firebringer Facebook.

I'm just going to call you all :wm:s.

[Toadette]

Guys, stop calling Firebringer Facebook.

FB is lame.

[Frog]

I'm available for 5 minutes.

Summary Please.

[RLVG]

I'm available for 5 minutes.

Summary Please.

Toadette arrogant, repetitively says "I won't get lynched", disagrees with everyone, was the one who discarded Mason/Doctor and many is voting Toadette.

[Frog]

I gave info on myself about being a town friendly role.

I'd like to see Toadette lynched just because of the discarding of Mason/Doctor. I mean, seriously, those two roles are extremely Pro-Town.

100% with you.

It was WEIRD to see Fire defend Toadette.

It was OBVIOUS Darkness could counter-train Slender.

I'm 100% for Toadette's lynch today.

[Frog]

Toadette arrogant, repetitively says "I won't get lynched", disagrees with everyone, was the one who discarded Mason/Doctor and many is voting Toadette.

(I'm kidding about summaries :wm: )

[Frog]

I meant the earlier posts were trolling, lol. Day 1 role claims are not usually a good idea anyway. We should, however, encourage people to discuss why they discarded their original role, and try to do some baseline analysis.

Lastly, I'm not joining any train that slendermenz starts unless there's a specific reason. I get that he's new and trying to have fun, but it's a sad commentary that two experienced players jumped on said train for no reason. It's Day 1 and all, but that doesn't mean we should lose all common sense.

This is where you're discrediting made your alliance obvious.

[Toadette]

This is where you're discrediting made your alliance obvious.

The only alliance here is the anti staff alliance.

......

:(

[Toadette]

Toadette arrogant, repetitively says "I won't get lynched", disagrees with everyone, was the one who discarded Mason/Doctor and many is voting Toadette.

Woah woah woah woah woah. I discarded mason/doctor?

[RLVG]

Woah woah woah woah woah. I discarded mason/doctor?

Yes. I can confirm that I discarded Mafia in favor of a town friendly role, making me believe all the other discards.


Discards
Toadett - Town Mason/Doctor
Superjack - Town Mason
Hinata - Town 1-Shot Day Vigilante
Frog - Lyncher
RLVG - Mafia Goon
Slaol - Ninja Werewolf
DarknessB - Mafia Goon
Klingoncelt - Vanilla Townie
slender - Vanilla Townie
vedith - Town Lover
firebringer - town cop

[Toadette]

Yes. I can confirm that I discarded Mafia in favor of a town friendly role, making me believe all the other discards.

Get out of town.

[RLVG]

Get out of town.

U jelly?

[RLVG]

This setup is 50%+50% random. Every player receives two roles that they can pick between, discarding one and keep the other.
The roles that's received are entirely random.

This is the role that Toadette discarded.


Town Mason/Doctor (36)

You are a Town Mason/Doctor.

Abilities

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
Mason: If there are other Masons in the game, you will form a Mason group with them. There will be a Mason QT that can be used pre-game and during the Night.
Doctor: During the Night, you may PM me the name of another player. This player will be protected from all nightkills for that Night.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

[RLVG]

Seriously, that's one of the most powerful town roles and you discarded it.

You are a Doctor + a Mason with another that's confirmed Town together with you. AND YOU DISCARD IT IN FAVOR OF ANOTHER ROLE!!!

With the randomness, the chance of you behind scum are high, perhaps for the thrill of it.

[Toadette]

This setup is 50%+50% random. Every player receives two roles that they can pick between, discarding one and keep the other.
The roles that's received are entirely random.

This is the role that Toadette discarded.

Had I discarded the other one the conversation would be the same.

[RLVG]

Had I discarded the other one the conversation would be the same.

Lol, what role was the other then?

[RLVG]

I really doubt there's a different role that you would favor as town, over the Mason/Doctor combo.

[Toadette]

Seriously, that's one of the most powerful town roles and you discarded it.

You are a Doctor + a Mason with another that's confirmed Town together with you. AND YOU DISCARD IT IN FAVOR OF ANOTHER ROLE!!!

With the randomness, the chance of you behind scum are high, perhaps for the thrill of it.

So what you're saying is I had no idea that my discard would be public.

Because why would I, ME, TOADETTE (not Firebringer or ika) KNOWINGLY discard such a powerful town role for a scum role, knowing that this would happen? It's suicide. Borderline throwing.

[Toadette]

Lol, what role was the other then?

ROLE FISHER

RLVG

This is for the sake of consistency. Seeing how you see role fishing as scummy.

[RLVG]

So what you're saying is I had no idea that my discard would be public.

Because why would I, ME, TOADETTE (not Firebringer or ika) KNOWINGLY discard such a powerful town role for a scum role, knowing that this would happen? It's suicide. Borderline throwing.

This isn't relevant. You even knowledge that this is a powerful town role.

It's actually said in the setup, if you had bothered to read lol.



So explain to us why you would discard the Doctor/Mason combo for another role. I've been reading the setup repetitively and I can't find a town role that's stronger.

[Toadette]

This isn't relevant. You even knowledge that this is a powerful town role.

It's actually said in the setup, if you had bothered to read lol.



So explain to us why you would discard the Doctor/Mason combo for another role. I've been reading the setup repetitively and I can't find a town role that's stronger.

Stop role fishing. If I have to claim I will but then its your fault when I die n1.

[Toadette]

Literally the train on me is to get role out of me and has nothing to do with my posts. Piss poor play.

[RLVG]

Stop role fishing. If I have to claim I will but then its your fault when I die n1.

Sure, acuse me of role fishing on you for being the scummiest player.

I'd pick the Mason/Doctor combo in a heartbeat.



Toadette, we're actually intending to lynch you based on your posts and your behavior of this game.

[Toadette]

Sure, acuse me of role fishing on you for being the scummiest player.

I'd pick the Mason/Doctor combo in a heartbeat.



Toadette, we're actually intending to lynch you based on your posts and your behavior of this game.

I don't think so, given the train was already full steam on me as early as it was

[RLVG]

I don't think so, given the train was already full steam on me as early as it was

You do realise that you put me on OMGUS, lol?

[Frog]

Summary So Far:

RLVG


I discarded Mafia because the host can be troll and make me a Solo Mafia, so I went with something town friendly.
Is it town or neutral? Ain't revealing that.



Now, looking at the discards :

Toadette - Why the fuck did you discard Mason and Doctor!!!
Superjack - Why did you discard the fucking Mason!
Firebringer - Why did you discard the Town Cop?

Klingon and Slender discarded Townie, lol. Understandable.

Looking at Lyncher, they will become Vanilla Townie upon failing, which should be a good thing?
I don't understand why Frog would discard that role.

Vedith discarded Town Lover which is supposed to have more than 1 lover.
Curious.

Hinata removed 1-Shot Day Vigilante, which might actually be the most critical Town Role, confirming themselves as well removing a threat spot on.



RLVG, Slaol, DarknessB, Klingon and Slender are those who've made reasonable discards.


Sure you are, sure you are.


Dare taken.
toadette

To Toadette:

You're all barking and no biting.

Doof


Is Slender a troll?

We need to send him to the Serious Mafia MLG Mastergraduate Camp.

:troll: :troll: Toadette, wanna no lynch? :troll: :troll:


This is probably the reverse of defending in style of WIFOM.


When and why the fuck did Toadette get a heart as well as pink name?


I want a name in sparkling rainbows.
Oh well, burning fire is cool enough.

Actually, I should have a rainbow icon because res0nz1


slendermenz (3 [L-3]):
Toadette, Klingoncelt, Firebringer

Toadette (3 [L-3]):
slendermenz, Frog, RLVG

LOOK AT THEM COUNTERWAGONZ


Nice "I Wik" badge, Darkness.

It's wiki


I gave info on myself about being a town friendly role.

I'd like to see Toadette lynched just because of the discarding of Mason/Doctor. I mean, seriously, those two roles are extremely Pro-Town.


Normal arrogance.

Y'know, Tsunderes.


Guys, stop calling Firebringer Facebook.


Toadette arrogant, repetitively says "I won't get lynched", disagrees with everyone, was the one who discarded Mason/Doctor and many is voting Toadette.


Yes. I can confirm that I discarded Mafia in favor of a town friendly role, making me believe all the other discards.


U jelly?


This setup is 50%+50% random. Every player receives two roles that they can pick between, discarding one and keep the other.
The roles that's received are entirely random.

This is the role that Toadette discarded.


Seriously, that's one of the most powerful town roles and you discarded it.

You are a Doctor + a Mason with another that's confirmed Town together with you. AND YOU DISCARD IT IN FAVOR OF ANOTHER ROLE!!!

With the randomness, the chance of you behind scum are high, perhaps for the thrill of it.


Lol, what role was the other then?


I really doubt there's a different role that you would favor as town, over the Mason/Doctor combo.


This isn't relevant. You even knowledge that this is a powerful town role.

It's actually said in the setup, if you had bothered to read lol.



So explain to us why you would discard the Doctor/Mason combo for another role. I've been reading the setup repetitively and I can't find a town role that's stronger.


Sure, acuse me of role fishing on you for being the scummiest player.

I'd pick the Mason/Doctor combo in a heartbeat.



Toadette, we're actually intending to lynch you based on your posts and your behavior of this game.

Toadette


im in to meny gms, not readin

DarknessB


With me discarding mason/doctor, you have two things to consider. Either I:

1 - got such an AWESOME role as an alternative that I deserve a doc on me every night

2 - I'm trying to WIFOM the shit out of this game

3 - I didn't read the setup and didn't know discarded roles would be revealed.

Up to everyone herebto decide. Until then, i prpose we aktivly lurk to honor are beloved hostie

Ey thts 3 things mte


i cant i aint readin


no deel


Just try and mislynch me.

I dare you.

To RLVG:

I'm not afraid of you,

Woof


Nope.



Naw I'm good.


I am 0% okay with a Toadette lynch today.

Its not gonna happen anyway. I'm not worried.


How is that trolling? People are calling for my lynch based on my throw away alone. They want to run me up to L-1 to find out what awesome role I decided to keep based on that 1 bit of info and not the quality of my posts.

If I'm forced to claim I will but I'm not being lynched today.


I already provided 3 possible reasons why I might have discarded my role. Going into further details possibly could put me in danger so I think I'll pass.


slendermenz


Make sure you send cheka to my house to be safe


U mad


with slendermenz a new bringing arises and new hope for the town

lynching slendermenz will sart a new beginning for the town, A NEW HOPE

lol R.I.P slendermenz lynched d1


What does this even MEAN


This is a waste of a vote since I'm not getting lynched.


Up to you to decide


What you're saying is there's no chance at all I had a better role that I kept instead. Even though discarding that role might have gotten us into this situation anyway.

Yeah okay.


I really don't ever get you. "Look town? Scum."


That's right I won't.


Or are you just saying this because Fire bit at you first?


Are you DB?


Not too long ago he was PB. If he would have been piratebringer of justice he would have been PB&J

Really dropped the ball on that one.


FB is lame.


The only alliance here is the anti staff alliance.

......

:(


Woah woah woah woah woah. I discarded mason/doctor?


Get out of town.


Had I discarded the other one the conversation would be the same.


So what you're saying is I had no idea that my discard would be public.

Because why would I, ME, TOADETTE (not Firebringer or ika) KNOWINGLY discard such a powerful town role for a scum role, knowing that this would happen? It's suicide. Borderline throwing.


ROLE FISHER

RLVG

This is for the sake of consistency. Seeing how you see role fishing as scummy.


Stop role fishing. If I have to claim I will but then its your fault when I die n1.


Literally the train on me is to get role out of me and has nothing to do with my posts. Piss poor play.


DarknessB


Agreed -- very interesting drops. My explanation should be pretty obvious to anyone who has followed my play -- I'm much better at Town than scum, so I dropped the scum option.


Fire, why would you drop Town Cop? You tend to like playing pro-Town so that would be a good role for your Town Leader gimmick, yes?


Re: Vedith's discard, according to that Mafiascum Wiki page on this game format, there could have been the possibility of a single Lover being chosen for this game. In that case, he would have essentially been a named Vanilla Townie.


Also, I agree that it would be very odd to discard the 1-Shot Day Vigilante in terms of threat elimination and confirmability. Hinata, when you're around, want to explain your thought process there?


He's made a very bad name to himself. :wm:


I'm pretty sure Toadette is trolling because this is an ika-hosted game. I imagine / hope she will clean up her act soon though.


I meant the earlier posts were trolling, lol. Day 1 role claims are not usually a good idea anyway. We should, however, encourage people to discuss why they discarded their original role, and try to do some baseline analysis.

Lastly, I'm not joining any train that slendermenz starts unless there's a specific reason. I get that he's new and trying to have fun, but it's a sad commentary that two experienced players jumped on said train for no reason. It's Day 1 and all, but that doesn't mean we should lose all common sense.


Re: discussing discards, it was intended as a general invitation to everyone, not to you specifically. I agree that you've given us reasons why you discarding a powerful Town role doesn't necessarily mean you're scum and I'm satisfied with that for now.

Others of us, *cough* slendermenz *cough* have simply stated that they are Town (sans further analysis) and have tried to start lynch trains. That comes off far more suspicious to me.


I'd like to hear from Hinata in particular given the powerful Town role that he passed up.


By Yuki logic, it means that she's confirmed Town? :)


Also, SuperJack should lead us because he speaks good English. :wm:


It's not a counterwagon as much as an effort to get slendermenz to take the game a bit more seriously. Even considering the fact that it's only Day 1, his posts have left much to be desired.


I'm not allowed to sheep you until you activate the Town Leader role, a la Watermeloann lynch activation.


:sheep: requirement met -- 1 vote to :sheep:.

slendermenz


slendermenz is going to be the MattZed of a new generation of FM players, lol.


Means he alienates people on Day 1 and gets lynched. You were in Camp Mafia -- you should know, lol.


Did you even read his posts? He basically has refused to give information, shitpost a bunch, and then tried to start a train on someone else. That's anti-Town and negative contribution in terms of derailing discussion.


Many of us (Fire, me, Toadette among others) have explained why they discarded their role card. slendermenz just shitposted with "I'm Town" and tried to start a train against Toadette. I know you're new to this site and its meta, but it's not that hard to understand. Toadette gave us three possible reasons why she would have discarded a strong Town card. Whereas slendermenz just chuckles about being suspicious.

None of these things indicate alignment, but I'm more inclined to lynch the person who isn't posting anything of value than the person who is.


Add RLVG to the mix as well as a contributor. I'm sure there are others, but slendermenz is in the rare category of "has posted a lot, but nothing useful at all". That's not where you want to be. If he gets back and starts contributing, I'll consider unvoting, but I think my vote is very appropriate right now.


I'm not 100% fine with it, but Toadette explained her reasoning, which I'm willing to accept for now. Of course, we should keep an eye on her and press her more in the days to come. Far more dangerous are the people we allow to get away with not contributing and trying to throw votes around for no apparent reason.

It's a pressure vote and message to slendermenz -- start contributing or else. At the very least, stop derailing chat with inane posts.


It's not even that -- it's more like he seems to object to the idea of pressuring someone, who has shitpost and tried to start a train, into being a better contributor. Makes me suspect that the two might be aligned...


For anyone who doesn't believe me:



Moderately legitimate post, but I believe ika said we had started. Fine, I guess.



Provides no information -- who wouldn't be claiming Townie right now? Almost like he went out of his way not to include any further information.



Troll post / no value.



Admits he looks suspicious, but doesn't elaborate further or try to indicate why we shouldn't suspect him. Why would you make a post like this and not elaborate. SMH.



Provides summary to Frog, but post that doesn't add much. Stuff had happened by this point. Slight negative in terms of dismissing earlier events.



Flailing type joke post. Not helpful.



Randomly votes Toadette in response to a glib post.



Trolling re: lynch.



Off-topic.



More trolling re: lynch.



Even more trolling re: lynch. Note: He has at no point indicated WHY Toadette should be lynched.



More trolling re: being Town without any further information.



Even more trolling re: lynch.



Even more trolling re: lynch.



Even more trolling re: lynch.

***

Summary: Tons of posts, very little content (if any whatsoever), but managed to incite a lynch train without even giving a reason why he was suspicious of Toadette. And of course, tons of trolling. Overall, disruptive of conversation. I know it's Day 1 so a little trolling is natural, but I want this over-the-top lack of productive posts by slendermenz to stop so we can have a productive game.


Non-controversial proposal: if you're going to vote someone, you should probably explain why. Or else it comes off fishy.


That's fine -- I have no problem with people like you and RLVG who are voting because they have a reason to do so. That's healthy and contributes to our collective thoughts. What I don't like are people who vote without any reason and then don't post anymore.


Also, there's a bit of recent meta around this site where certain players deliberately act incapable to get people to discount them as threats, but of course end up being scum. I.e. I don't want to give slendermenz a pass simply because he's trying to act like a clueless townie. That has caused the Town to lose in two recent games (Yuki/ika in Camp Mafia and Stealth in Prime Minister).


I don't know that he specifically unvoted for that reason, but that was the result -- sure.


Can we call you SJ?


I'm just going to call you all :wm:s.

Vedith


Not had a chance to read up yet properly.
I'll be on after work though to add my 2 pence.


So am I missing something that makes Slender look scummy? Because throwing away Citizen (Vanilla Townie) seems a lot more practical than Mason/Doc.

Toadette

I'd like to keep the wagons at even lengths.


So who else has given information up to this stage?
Shitposting isn't align indication, given negative contribution...
And starting a train on someone else isn't align indication.


Over confidence, or crumb? I wonder...


And you are fine with the role Mason/Doc disposed of and reasoning to back it? This should be the concern...
So what you are basically doing is a policy lynch - Someone hasn't added value to the game as of yet, lynch. I'm sure there are other names who haven't given anything to the game as of yet.


However, I do like the fact you named the only 3 people on the wagon and then added 'others'...


You caught me! *Holds our wrists*


Possible? Yes.
Probably? Depends if you think scum roles are better?

But why are you saying this if you won't be lynched anyway?


Keep in mind I'm not voting Toadette because of what Slender has said, I'm voting because I think there was scum motive to the throw away.
I don't see Slender's play as scum motive but rather piss around null.

I'm not going to vote someone for a null action rather than a scum action. It's always good to have 2 active wagons anyway.


Btw, keep note that FB unvoted Slender to put Toadette into the lead.


I worded incorrectly...
Btw, keep note that FB unvoted Slender which put Toadette into the lead.

I can see FB doing this for town cred it Toadette is lynched, either flip.


He always bites at me first, it's standard.


Meh, I've always called him it. If it's an issue I'll do my best to put the effort into spelling it all.

SuperJack


I couldn't resist my other choice. It had me written all over it <3
I also couldn't rely on other people picking mason. Which seams to be the right choice.
Also host made an error and sent me an extra role card. :/


I love being Town. I get to be a dickhead and be right even if Im lynched.
No I wasn't a wear of the discards being public. Why tell me that?


He is extremely new to forum mafia.


Stop calling FireBringer as FB.

FireBringer


Interesting discards.

So not much to discuss with Kling/Slender or even DarknessB/RLVG drops.

Hinato dropping vigilante I consider pro town.

If anyone is curious why I dropped mine, you will love to hear that story.
Going to save it for a future day though.

Vedith drop makes sense too.

So I guess I want to focus on the people:
Toadette and Super. Slaol choice also.

We don't now if people who had 2 cards were scum for both.

Lots to think about.

I am wondering based on personality if some players would take VT over scum roles....I would, not sure on others.


Masons are a very good role, I am very curious on the other roles SuperJack/Toadette got...

Also I suspect at least 1 of the people who dropped a scum role had another choice as a scum role.


My other role is a much better role for the town. Trust me.


slendermenz

I hacked his account he is actually a Serial Killer.

Get him boys!


Its Slaols attempt at flirting with her.
Just try to ignore it and move on with your life.

Or laugh about it like I do.


Guys I think you are forgetting the bigger picture here.

Slendermenz has Serial Killer role card.

How can we let him walk freely?


The Leader of the Town has appeared!


So far all that I gathered is that Toadette and Slendermenz are not in a scum group together.


Vedith

Vedith is trying to look town, ergo he is scum.
GG.


Dude your posts look like this is your scum game too Darkness.

Shit...


Keep note, I am hungry and my roommate is making waffles.

Yum.

Slendermenz


have we started
?

im a townie :D


im not :O IM A MOSTER. *points a gun to his head

it does kinda look suspicious that i discarded vanilla townie i guess XD


umm....... so far nothing major has happened


im a townie doe :D so don't lynch me


Toadette


lynch d1
ITS HAPPENING


frogs playing sc2 mafia with me :D


O WE WILL

were lynching toadette thats the summary :D


lol ima townie doe DONT MAKE ME MAKE YOU LOVE ME


with toadette a new bringing arises and new hope for the town

(sighs) the spelling on that post. what i meant to say was


lynching toadette will sart a new beginning for the town, A NEW HOPE


woem


lol R.I.P toadette lynched d1

Klingoncelt


slendermenz

Trying way too hard.


*yawns*

bbl, going to sleep

Slaol


I am a doctor and protected myself from dying on my own veteran alert last night.


This is too much activity for day 1.

Let me know if I should answer anything

[Toadette]

Toadette


lynch d1
ITS HAPPENING


Discards
Toadett - Town Mason/Doctor
Superjack - Town Mason
Hinata - Town 1-Shot Day Vigilante
Frog - Lyncher
RLVG - Mafia Goon
Slaol - Ninja Werewolf
DarknessB - Mafia Goon
Klingoncelt - Vanilla Townie
slender - Vanilla Townie
vedith - Town Lover
firebringer - town cop

Toadette

Back. I'm available for 30 seconds. Ask me anything and give me a summary.


So am I missing something that makes Slender look scummy? Because throwing away Citizen (Vanilla Townie) seems a lot more practical than Mason/Doc.

Toadette

I'd like to keep the wagons at even lengths.

None of these votes have ANYTHING to do with my posts.

Let the record show I am voting RLVG for ROLE FISHING and trying to expose TPRs

[Vedith]

On the bright side, if you want to skip the first 8 pages, just read this...

[RLVG]

Let the record show I am voting RLVG for ROLE FISHING and trying to expose TPRs

There's a difference between role fishing multiple players and pressuring a single player for being scummy.

[Frog]

Conclusion-

Fire and Darkness are either aligned with Toadette or incredi-troll.

Darkness waited for the right time to counter-train.

He posted a very unconvincing ISO on Slender which could be used for Toadette in the same fashion.

SuperJack is straight up Neutral Killer in case anyone wanted to know.

I'm lynching Toadette today as it will be most revealing (alliances etc.).

We should consider reducing KPN by lynching SJ tomorrow.

[RLVG]

Nice ISO Frog, but I think it would be better if it were in more context with eachothers.

[Toadette]

Conclusion-

Fire and Darkness are either aligned with Toadette or incredi-troll.

Darkness waited for the right time to counter-train.

He posted a very unconvincing ISO on Slender which could be used for Toadette in the same fashion.

SuperJack is straight up Neutral Killer in case anyone wanted to know.

I'm lynching Toadette today as it will be most revealing (alliances etc.).

We should consider reducing KPN by lynching SJ tomorrow.

I'm not being lynched today sorry.

[RLVG]

I'm not being lynched today sorry.

Bitch please, stop being so tsundere.

[Toadette]

There's a difference between role fishing multiple players and pressuring a single player for being scummy.

How am o being scummy? The only thing you've even touched on was my role discard. That's all anyone (other than Darkness) has even brought up about me.

[Toadette]

Bitch please, stop being so tsundere.

Fuck off

[RLVG]

How am o being scummy? The only thing you've even touched on was my role discard. That's all anyone (other than Darkness) has even brought up about me.

Your constant moaning of "I can't be lynched", "I won't be lynched", "I'm impossible to get lynched", "You won't lynch me", "They won't lynch me", "Judas can kill me but not lynch me", "Santa claus can gift me a noose but it won't be around my neck" and a thousand of the variations.

[Frog]

Fuck off

Emotional reaction. Check.

[Toadette]

Your constant moaning of "I can't be lynched", "I won't be lynched", "I'm impossible to get lynched", "You won't lynch me", "They won't lynch me", "Judas can kill me but not lynch me", "Santa claus can gift me a noose but it won't be around my neck" and a thousand of the variations.

Its not moaning. It's fact. I won't be lynched today.

[Toadette]

Emotional reaction. Check.

Someone calls me a bitch, I'm going to tell them to fuck off.

[RLVG]

Its not moaning. It's fact. I won't be lynched today.

Bla-bla-bla. "It's a fact" lol.


Someone calls me a bitch, I'm going to tell them to fuck off.

Alright, a serious thing. If you were actually offended by the joke of "bitch please", I ask for forgiveness and I'm sorry for having attacked you personally unintentionally.

[Toadette]

Bla-bla-bla. "It's a fact" lol.



Alright, a serious thing. If you were actually offended by the joke of "bitch please", I ask for forgiveness and I'm sorry for having attacked you personally unintentionally.

Its not a question of being offended. If certain something's are said, certain responses will be made. I can't help myself.

[RLVG]

I want SuperMan to appear and contribute with his opinion towards Toadette and to vote Toadette or defend the damsel in distress.

[SuperJack]

I want SuperMan to appear and contribute with his opinion towards Toadette and to vote Toadette or defend the damsel in distress.

Nah

[RLVG]

Nah

God damnit Protagonist.

[RLVG]

Lol, both SJ and Toadette had the chance to be a Mason, but they discarded it.

Inb4 Alien / Werewolf teamup.

[Vedith]

Lol, both SJ and Toadette had the chance to be a Mason, but they discarded it.

Inb4 Alien / Werewolf teamup.

Discarding Mason itself isn't so bad. If you end up being the only Mason then you are the same as being the only Lover... Glorified Citizen.

[RLVG]

Discarding Mason itself isn't so bad. If you end up being the only Mason then you are the same as being the only Lover... Glorified Citizen.

True, but remember that this setup is Randomized twice.
If there's a Town Role that's very appealing, or a Scum Role that's even more appealing, wouldn't it be more fun to pick the Scum Role?

In a textbook example, Toadette discarded the most OP role in favor of a different role - it would be a degrade or it would be a scum invitation.

[Vedith]

True, but remember that this setup is Randomized twice.
If there's a Town Role that's very appealing, or a Scum Role that's even more appealing, wouldn't it be more fun to pick the Scum Role?

In a textbook example, Toadette discarded the most OP role in favor of a different role - it would be a degrade or it would be a scum invitation.

I completely agree with you. The only role I can see Toadette having that will ensure not lynched today is IC.
To confirm, you can't receive the same role twice, right?

[RLVG]

I completely agree with you. The only role I can see Toadette having that will ensure not lynched today is IC.
To confirm, you can't receive the same role twice, right?

Either you can't receive the same role twice, or you can't receive the same number twice.
Toadette had an unique numbered role, making it impossible eitherway to have a duplicate role.

I assume the host will use RandomList to pick the Top 2 of each player, if there's 2 or more of the same roles then he'll pick the one at the top and then the 2nd one being below the duplicates.

[Vedith]

Yeah that's what I thought.
So that rules out getting Mason/Doc twice.

[RLVG]

Don't forget the yellow text, quoted from the setup.


In this setup, each player is randomly assigned two roles from the deck. They must immediately choose one to keep and discard the other. Once every player has chosen a role - and there is at least one antitown role in the game (if all town, abandon or reshuffle) - any roles with partners are informed of their partners. At the start of Day 1, every player's discarded role is publicly revealed.

This reveals the possibility that everyone can potentially become scum, or town, due to the full randomness of the setup.

[RLVG]

I want SuperJack, Klingon, Darkness or Firebringer to vote Toadette.

[RLVG]

I have now read every single role.

This is the most retarded role that I've ever seen.


Black Goo (51)

You are Black Goo.

Abilities

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
Black Goo: Anyone who targets you will become part of the Cult faction.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

This is also the very most curious "role".


Judas (69)

You are Judas.

Abilities

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
If you are lynched, the day will end but you will not die. Instead, you will become aligned with the Mafia. Once turned, the alignment change cannot be reversed, nor can you survive another lynch. As a mafia-aligned Judas, you do not have the ability to kill, nor may you communicate with any partners.

Win Condition

You win once all of the threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.

Greatest Idea variant

If you draw this card in Greatest Idea Mafia, bear in mind that the Judas ability is an ALIGNMENT effect, not an ability. You can be a Judas Doctor, for example, but not a Town Judas. This card's ability for the purposes of Greatest Idea Mafia is Vanilla.

[Slaol]

Can someone give me a summary of todays events

[RLVG]

Can someone give me a summary of todays events

TL;DR, Page 8 and beyond.

[Mathmatical]

darknessB I'm sorry about the posts I'm just a little new to this. anyways I'm lynching toadette for reasons you will understand soon enough >:D

[Firebringer]

I want SuperJack, Klingon, Darkness or Firebringer to vote Toadette.

I am a slave to the real live viking pirate Toadette

[Firebringer]

Conclusion-

Fire and Darkness are either aligned with Toadette or incredi-troll.

Darkness waited for the right time to counter-train.

He posted a very unconvincing ISO on Slender which could be used for Toadette in the same fashion.

SuperJack is straight up Neutral Killer in case anyone wanted to know.

I'm lynching Toadette today as it will be most revealing (alliances etc.).

We should consider reducing KPN by lynching SJ tomorrow.

Frog, why would I make my buddies so easily traceable?
If anything I would bus the shit out of them to create distance.

[Firebringer]

Can someone give me a summary of todays events

Some shit happen
Then people saw that shit and were like "SHIIIIIT"
So they did some shit
Then the other people were unhappy with that shit so they form a shit group
Then that shit group faced against people from other shit group.

And thats where we shitting are now.

[Toadette]

Well I'm L-1.

I'm a town cop. I felt I would be more useful finding Mafia or non mafia with this role than shooting in the dark to guess who the mafia would target.

I will be checking RLVG tonight.

What I value and what you value aren't the same. I felt this role wasore valuable. Either way if I gave up town cop I would be here at L-1 for giving that up. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

[Toadette]

Doc (if there is one now - ironic, I know) on me.

[Firebringer]

Hold the phone.

I thought their is only one of each card in the deck.
I already discarded town cop.

Either that is the stupidest claim ever, or I am retarded.

[Firebringer]

Wait two cards are Town Cop.

Okay Toadette I can confirm your role cause I know the exact number of my town cop.
What is your number?

[Toadette]

Hold the phone.

I thought their is only one of each card in the deck.
I already discarded town cop.

Either that is the stupidest claim ever, or I am retarded.

Where does it say that?

[Toadette]

Wait two cards are Town Cop.

Okay Toadette I can confirm your role cause I know the exact number of my town cop.
What is your number?

15

[Firebringer]

Where does it say that?

Right next to the card.

Town Cop (X)

[Firebringer]

Okay lynch Toadette she is lying.

Their is no number next to the card it specifically says:

Town Cop (15-16)

I was testing her to see if she knew.

[Toadette]

Okay lynch Toadette she is lying.

Their is no number next to the card it specifically says:

Town Cop (15-16)

I was testing her to see if she knew.

I misread. Oh well.

[SuperJack]

Toadette

[The Godfather]

Toadette has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


RLVG ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/6656') (1 [L-5]): Toadette ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529165')
Toadette ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/24216') (6 [L-0]): slendermenz ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=528971'), Frog ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=528973'), RLVG ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=528984'), Firebringer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529294'), Vedith ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529074'), SuperJack ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529308')
slendermenz ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/24387') (2 [L-4]): Klingoncelt ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=528986'), DarknessB ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=529056')

[ika]

toadet was a werewolf

make it fancy later actions due in 24

[ika]

sorry for delay, i had work

without futher ado:

klingcelt, Werewolf immune serkail killer has been killed
Slaol, mafia doctor has been killed

[ika]

8 alive, 5

[Frog]

sorry for delay, i had work

without futher ado:

klingcelt, Werewolf immune serkail killer has been killed
Slaol, mafia doctor has been killed

Howdy Ika, I'm a little confused on this post, specifically the coloring.

Does the coloring suggest which alliance killed each player?

From what I gather:

Klingoncelt was role 117. But what does the coloring mean? Does it mean he was killed by a neutral? Neutral Evil?

Slaol was role 78. But the red coloring suggests he was killed by mafia?

The subject of Mafia and Slaol

There is absolutely nothing to gain from Slaol's flip. He basically said and did nothing yesterday. Check my mega ISO wall post for proof.
I can only find one inference of someone being aligned with Slaol, but I'm going to choose to withhold that information as I believe we need that player to be successful in culling the werewolf herd. I'll explain further.

The subject of Werewolves and Toadette

Toadette was confident she wouldn't/couldn't be lynched.
This suggests many opted for werewolf roles and have a large werewolf team.
I\m lead to believe the werewolf team was originally at minimum 4 players.
Luckily at least two are now dead.
I firmly believe there are actually 2 werewolf dead because I couldn't find any tailor/actress type roles.
I'd like to focus on players who either didn't join the Toadette train as Toadette's confidence appeared to be a matter of required vote numbers.

The subject of Werewolf suspects and DarknessB

My first an obvious suspect is Darkness for 2 main reasons.

1. He predictably joined a counter train to Toadette onto slendermenz as a measure of defending Toadette.


Many of us (Fire, me, Toadette among others) have explained why they discarded their role card. slendermenz just shitposted with "I'm Town" and tried to start a train against Toadette. I know you're new to this site and its meta, but it's not that hard to understand. Toadette gave us three possible reasons why she would have discarded a strong Town card. Whereas slendermenz just chuckles about being suspicious.

None of these things indicate alignment, but I'm more inclined to lynch the person who isn't posting anything of value than the person who is.

2. His logic for that train seemed forced in post 115.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33505-S-Fm-165-Greater-idea?p=529108&viewfull=1#post529108

Bear in mind the same arguments he makes against Slendermenz can easily be used for Toadette. It's the voracity with which he makes this ISO which seems desperate.

DarknessB

[Frog]

I JUST realized Klingoncelt is a werewolf immune serial killer, she was not a werewolf.

To adjust the tone, I'd like to point how this furthers the threat of werewolves acquiring majority votes.

I believe there are at minimum 3 werewolves left based on Toadette's confidence of not being lynched D1.

I'm asserting my belief that DarknessB stands as the prime werewolf suspect at the moment.

[ika]

kills are not distiguised, the color is the alignment they belong to.

In otherwords, WW flip yellow
Maif flips red
sk flips purple
town is green
aliens are rainbows

the yellow in klings part is indeed her role (177, ww immune) its jsut clairfication to it on that

[Frog]

Topics to discuss:

1. Who was most associated with Toadette

2. Who was most associated with Slaol

3. Which anti-town faction should be a lynch priority today?

4. The fact that there were only 2 kills last night.

Ika, if in the course of a night a doctor is killed and the doctor's target is also attacked, will both the Doctor and the Doctor's Target die? Or will only the Doctor die?

If heals and kills are +1/-1 and not OoO related, then it's possible Slaol healed a fellow Mafia member who was attacked.

It seems to be that because there appears to be a mafia and werewolf faction, and because the serial killer was werewolf immune, it stands to reason the serial killer was killed by the Mafia.

This should logically leave at least 2 more kills on the table for the night.

Ika if Player B kills Player C, and Player A kills player B, do both players B & C die? Or does only Player B die?

1 kill came from the serial killer, 1 came from the Werewolves.

Assuming the serial killer killed Slaol, hopefully the Werewolves will be forced to waste their kill on the opposing faction tonight - the player who I believe (if Ika responds to my questions) was a Mafia member attacked and healed by Slaol last night.

[Frog]

kills are not distiguised, the color is the alignment they belong to.

In otherwords, WW flip yellow
Maif flips red
sk flips purple
town is green
aliens are rainbows

the yellow in klings part is indeed her role (177, ww immune) its jsut clairfication to it on that

Thank you Ika!! Much appreciated.

I posted a couple more questions related to OoO, please excuse my ignorance.

[ika]

Ika, if in the course of a night a doctor is killed and the doctor's target is also attacked, will both the Doctor and the Doctor's Target die? Or will only the Doctor die?

Ika if Player B kills Player C, and Player A kills player B, do both players B & C die? Or does only Player B die?



The game follows NAR (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution)

As for the later, all kills happen simultaneously so both B and C die

[RLVG]

The game follows NAR (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution)

As for the later, all kills happen simultaneously so both B and C die

So the OoO is this.


Copy
Hide
Bus
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

I'm going to follow Frog on the case about Darkness. We should also look on reluctant votes.

DarknessB

[RLVG]

I'm going to assume we have like 5KPN at the most, lol.

What kind of Werewolf was Toadette?

[DarknessB]

Honestly, you guys are way off here. You know I haven't been a fan of early game shitposting. I can understand why you would be suspicious of me given Toadette's flip, but I think this is an overstretch by Frog.

In any event, in the interest of turning over every stone, slendermenz made some comment late yesterday to the effect of: us understanding why he had pushed on Toadette. Was he breadcrumbing somehow and actually knew she was scum?

[DarknessB]

darknessB I'm sorry about the posts I'm just a little new to this. anyways I'm lynching toadette for reasons you will understand soon enough >:D

This is the quote. What reasons would he have been aware of?

[DarknessB]

Re: Toadette's confidence on Day 1, I'm pretty sure she was trolling in part given the game host. I think that's very clear in certain places. Was just overly careless in doing so.

[RLVG]

This is the quote. What reasons would he have been aware of?

We don't know if he's a 420 troll.

[DarknessB]

Also, not that it necessarily matters now given cards were random, but looks like both Toadette and Klingoncelt discarded Town cards to play scum. Tsk tsk.

[RLVG]

You know, Darkness discarded Mafia Goon, just like I did.
Sure that we want to pressure him, over Firebringer who discarded Town Cop and SuperJack discarding Town Mason?

Look on Toadette, my case on her was entirely based on discarding the most OP role in favor of being scum lol.

[DarknessB]

Lastly, you can choose to believe me or not, but I was AFK when Toadette scum slipped and was lynched. I would have voted her given the role card flub. You know I'm a fan of Magikarp scum slip moments, lol.

[DarknessB]

You know, Darkness discarded Mafia Goon, just like I did.
Sure that we want to pressure him, over Firebringer who discarded Town Cop and SuperJack discarding Town Mason?

Look on Toadette, my case on her was entirely based on discarding the most OP role in favor of being scum lol.

I'm a bit in and out, but ask me whatever questions you guys want.

[RLVG]

I'm a bit in and out, but ask me whatever questions you guys want.

Please provide your read on Firebringer and SuperJack, DarknessB?

[DarknessB]

Please provide your read on Firebringer and SuperJack, DarknessB?

SuperJack hasn't posted too much, but I could see him picking something with an actual Town ability over Mason, especially to the extent he was worried another Mason wouldn't roll and he'd be stuck as a named Townie (per the linked Greater Idea game rule clarifications). So far, a null read for the most part pending more posts.

Firebringer started the game off a bit trollish, but that's his usual meta. Tricking Toadette into scum slipping slightly adjusts the balance to Townsided IMO. Probably slight Town read pending further comments. The discarded card makes me suspicious, but to meta Fire, I could see him preferring something a bit more active than an investigative.

[Frog]

You know, Darkness discarded Mafia Goon, just like I did.
Sure that we want to pressure him, over Firebringer who discarded Town Cop and SuperJack discarding Town Mason?

Look on Toadette, my case on her was entirely based on discarding the most OP role in favor of being scum lol.

I had similar thoughts. If this game is overwhelmingly scum, as you crumb, then any decent lead I push should be an almost insta-lynch. It also means there are enough competing scum that I, as the self-proclaimed town, shouldn't have to worry much as scum need to take each other out first and hope I side with them in a mexican stand-off at the end.

Your crumb below:


I'm going to assume we have like 5KPN at the most, lol.

What kind of Werewolf was Toadette?

I can see how you come to that conclusion though. When presented with an option would someone prefer a town vanilla to an intriguing evil or scum role? My discard, like some others, is self-evident that not all people prefer scum roles. However I can see people picking a ton of evil/killing roles resulting in your predicted "5 KPN" joke. Again, I'm not sure if that comment was a crumb, a joke, or just a commentary.

[RLVG]

I didn't put any intentional breadcrumbs in any posts other than "town friendly role". That 5KPN thing itself was just a comment on the setup.

[Firebringer]

I got Toadette lynched using a reaction test and you guys seriously consider me scum?

Also, lol you guys are going to laugh but I didn't actually perform a night action.....

I forgot to submit.

Also @Ika:
We don't have last wills right?

I forgot to make one of those too >.>

[RLVG]

Also, lol you guys are going to laugh but I didn't actually perform a night action.....

Dude.
One does not simply forget a night action.

[ika]

toadett was a plane werewolf, like a mafia goon

last wills are not a thing

[Frog]

I'm not reading.

Can someone give me a summary of 224-227?

[RLVG]

toadett was a plane werewolf

All I can imagine now is a werewolf in a T-Pose flying in the air.

[Firebringer]

I'm not reading.

Can someone give me a summary of 224-227?

Too much work.

Hinata

PL this person, he is not a true Ika.

[RLVG]

Because no discussion is made.

:sheep:

Hinata

[SuperJack]

Because no discussion is made.

:sheep:

Hinata

[Firebringer]

Discussion:
RLVG doesn't usually sheep like this.

[Firebringer]

Because no discussion is made.

:sheep:

Hinata

You copy cat.

[RLVG]

Discussion:
RLVG doesn't usually sheep like this.

This guy discarded a confirmable town role. That's scummy enough.
#toadette

[Firebringer]

This guy discarded a confirmable town role. That's scummy enough.
#toadette

Want me to claim my role?

[RLVG]

Want me to claim my role?

Both yes and no.

[Firebringer]

Both yes and no.

I will give you a hint "its the thinking mans role"

[RLVG]

I will give you a hint "its the thinking mans role"

Oh, so you're a dick.

[Firebringer]

Oh, so you're a dick.

Your close :)

[RLVG]

Your close :)

Your exact role is an FBI Agent.
If I'm wrong, correct me or don't correct.

[Firebringer]

Your exact role is an FBI Agent.
If I'm wrong, correct me or don't correct.

You are not correct.

[Firebringer]

Whats your role?

[RLVG]

Whats your role?

Hint, it has no counterpart and is fucking impractical on the long run.
Now to figure out if my hint is real or not.

[RLVG]

Tomorrow, can we get some actual discussion in the game?

When is the day end?

Porno?

[Slaol]

what's happened so far today

[RLVG]

what's happened so far today

Here you go.


Too much work.

Hinata

PL this person, he is not a true Ika.


Because no discussion is made.

:sheep:

Hinata


Because no discussion is made.

:sheep:

Hinata


Because no discussion is made.

:sheep:

Hinata

[Mathmatical]

Hinata

[RLVG]

L-1 MFs!

[Frog]

Can someone give me a summary? I'll only read whatever summary anyone posts in the next 30 seconds.

I read the first page.

Toadette looks scummy.

Toadette