S-FM 160: Prime Minister

[Rassilon]

S-FM Prime Minister
LINK TO SETUP (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32759-S-FM-Prime-Minister-(Setup)-(13-Player))

The United Kingdom, England, London. Centre of most major events on earth.
Weather it's the Music, the Comedy or our Countryside you have to love it.
The Tea-Drinking, Crumpet-Eating, Binge-Drinking citizens, so polite and apologetic. Yet so Judging.
And this is why it needs a Leader.
I have personally chosen one person to lead the UK into a new world.
But which face will it be?

Here, I Rassilon.
Lord President of the TimeLords and TimeLadys, Conquerer of Yssgaroth, Overpriest of Dronid, First Earl of Prydon, Patris of the Vortex, Ravager of the Void
Has declared you must cleanse yourself.



Players
Roles
Graveyard


S-FM The Third Doctor
S-FM The Fifth Doctor
S-FM The Seventh Doctor
S-FM The War Doctor
S-FM The Ninth Doctor
S-FM The Eleventh Doctor
S-FM The Twelfth Doctor
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Neutral
S-FM The Sixth Doctor: Executioner
S-FM The Second Doctor: Lookout
S-FM The Eight Doctor: Chauffeur
S-FM The First Doctor: Bodydouble
S-FM The Fourth Doctor: Coroner
S-FM The Tenth Doctor: Doctor



QuickLinks
LINK TO SETUP (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32759-S-FM-Prime-Minister-(Setup)-(13-Player))
Opening Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522508&viewfull=1#post522508)
Day One (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522527&viewfull=1#post522527)
Night One (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522941&viewfull=1#post522941)
Day Two (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=523200&viewfull=1#post523200)
Night Two (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=523685&viewfull=1#post523685)
Day Three (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=524060&viewfull=1#post524060)
Night Three (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525127&viewfull=1#post525127)
Day Four (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525191&viewfull=1#post525191)
Night Four (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525703&viewfull=1#post525703)
Day Five (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525764&viewfull=1#post525764)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1pQyUnqs0

[Rassilon]

Day One

Day One Ends at THIS TIME (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151011T02&p0=136&msg=Day+One+Ends.&font=cursive)

With a new Day, comes a new challenge. Who will lead you into glory?
It will be he then who has power. But with power comes corruption, will you be tempted?
Or will you cleanse yourself and lead the future into a new era.
Pick your champion, your ruler. And let the Games of Rassilon Commence

-You have to vote
-All Votes Must be In within 2 hours before the end-day.
-If you are not active within the first 24 hours with good reason. You will be replaced
-Picking an Avatar for the RP and Flavour will please me



Players
Roles
Graveyard


S-FM The First Doctor
S-FM The Second Doctor
S-FM The Third Doctor
S-FM The Fourth Doctor
S-FM The Fifth Doctor
S-FM The Sixth Doctor
S-FM The Seventh Doctor
S-FM The Eight Doctor
S-FM The War Doctor
S-FM The Ninth Doctor
S-FM The Tenth Doctor
S-FM The Eleventh Doctor
S-FM The Twelfth Doctor
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Neutral




QuickLinks
LINK TO SETUP (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32759-S-FM-Prime-Minister-(Setup)-(13-Player))
Opening Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522508&viewfull=1#post522508)
Day One (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522527&viewfull=1#post522527)
Night One (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522941&viewfull=1#post522941)
Day Two (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=523200&viewfull=1#post523200)
Night Two (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=523685&viewfull=1#post523685)
Day Three (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=524060&viewfull=1#post524060)
Night Three (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525127&viewfull=1#post525127)
Day Four (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525191&viewfull=1#post525191)
Night Four (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525703&viewfull=1#post525703)
Day Five (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525764&viewfull=1#post525764)

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

WELCOME TO THE STAR CARNIVAL!
S-FM The War Doctor
Lets kick things off.

[S-FM Grubby]

I would rather drink my tea

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

I would rather drink my tea

A wise man. Who among us doesn't love tea?

[S-FM Grubby]

A wise man. Who among us doesn't love tea?

S-FM The War Doctor

The guy with the weird name

[S-FM Grubby]

Just some thoughts:

The neutrals we want to avoid need to become the Prime Minister in order to meet their win con (Jester, Executioner) so withholding that would be a good idea.

I would strongly suggest we never give a neutral the Prime Minister title for any reason. If someone claims neutral for it and says they will support the town that is a massive risk we do not need to take.

Neutrals can self vote so do not put it past a Prime Minister Jester to self hammer

Neutral votes count for 2 so we should be able to easily tell who is the neutral so long as we keep track of the vote counter. I would also encourage players to night kill them to limit the scum swing in the late game (As that scum can use the Prime Minister vote as an incentive to get neutrals to side with them)

For our D1 election we have nothing to go on. Like.. Less than nothing. We can not even pressure or hunt without the ability to vote. All we can do is debate planning to divine scum/town aligned thinking but more than likely all we will end up with is figuring out who is a "Skilled" or "Lazy" player from those conversations.

The trade off to getting elected is the loss of your night action for getting elected so if you have a decent TPR make some kind of effort to stay out of the races (but not in any way that would be obvious and reveal you are a TPR)

Last wills are a thing so use that shit. I have seen too many games lost because town members were too lazy to put critical information in their last wills.

Framers also frame visiting- Expect this to be a point of issue if a lookout/detective pegs a player visiting a player that was killed by the mafia. It may be better to withhold those leads and poke them for slips before revealing.

Will an Actress appear as the targeted players alignment as well as role, or just their role?
Will/can a Tailor change the flipped alignment of a player?

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

Righto, let's start this rubbish off the right way.

S-FM The Eight Doctor

You can ask me for my reason for the vote later.

I agree with the tenth doctor chap in that we need to assure it is a town member that is elected, given the power of the role. More important, however, is to identify votes. I propose that each player vote for their towniest read by the end of the day. This will force the mafia buggers to vote someone other than their mates or risk easy exposure. Right. Just an early thought / theory, am happy to explore all options.

[Rassilon]

Will an Actress appear as the targeted players alignment as well as role, or just their role?
Both
Will/can a Tailor change the flipped alignment of a player?
Yes

Answers In Red.

Use the Anonymous Accounts. Or see replacement

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

S-FM The War Doctor

The guy with the weird name
Good sir, while I agree with your early thoughts, it does concern me that would is perceived as a random vote also happens to be on the only person who had been voted thus far, therefore giving off the perception of bandwagoning another random vote.

Your rebuttal?

[S-FM Grubby]

Good sir, while I agree with your early thoughts, it does concern me that would is perceived as a random vote also happens to be on the only person who had been voted thus far, therefore giving off the perception of bandwagoning another random vote.

Your rebuttal?

I want to mislynch him and night kill you tonight for pointing out my scummy devious plot.

[S-FM Grubby]

I would also like to take this moment to point out that Frank Turner is the male Taylor Swift of Europe.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

I want to mislynch him and night kill you tonight for pointing out my scummy devious plot.
Right then. While repulsive, your petty threats to the Queens trusted servant shall not sway my courage.

[S-FM The Second Doctor]

So I don't know if I need to get a picture, this is more of a test post to see what's up with that.

Obviously this game is going to involve some kind of WIFOM by all involved, so step up your game. Day one random votes are more than worthless against anyone but new players, so I don't see the point in voting this early unless you want a reaction (which will be altered to conform to a sense of general towniness.)

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

So I don't know if I need to get a picture, this is more of a test post to see what's up with that.

Obviously this game is going to involve some kind of WIFOM by all involved, so step up your game. Day one random votes are more than worthless against anyone but new players, so I don't see the point in voting this early unless you want a reaction (which will be altered to conform to a sense of general towniness.)
While your point has been noted, it includes a fundamental strategic flaw that you must address.

What does the town have to lose from voting early and voting often?

[S-FM Grubby]

First off- Its no lynch. Votes do not matter
Second- Prime Minister votes are done via PM not here. Votes do not matter

So votes are silly fluff we can do for giggles while burning through a shit day with nothing to talk about

Can we vote to end the day early?

[S-FM The Second Doctor]

While your point has been noted, it includes a fundamental strategic flaw that you must address.

What does the town have to lose from voting early and voting often?
This allows scum to influence day and voting patterns by interjecting into the discussion false information and directions. I would rather avoid railroading our days into discussions about random votes.

Of course, early voting can serve a vital town role sometimes, but I don't think with this group you will find many basic slips. (Although I won't fully back this statement until everyone else posts).


First off- Its no lynch. Votes do not matter
Second- Prime Minister votes are done via PM not here. Votes do not matter

So votes are silly fluff we can do for giggles while burning through a shit day with nothing to talk about

Can we vote to end the day early?

... >.>

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

First off- Its no lynch. Votes do not matter
Second- Prime Minister votes are done via PM not here. Votes do not matter

So votes are silly fluff we can do for giggles while burning through a shit day with nothing to talk about

Can we vote to end the day early?

Old chap, I think there's a lot to be gained by seeing how players type and interact during Day 1. Ending the day early deprives us of the chance to see those interactions. The Queen would support such an initiative.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

First off- Its no lynch. Votes do not matter
Second- Prime Minister votes are done via PM not here. Votes do not matter

So votes are silly fluff we can do for giggles while burning through a shit day with nothing to talk about

Can we vote to end the day early?
Poppycock! Day one can be a useful well of information. Why would you want to shorten the day and leave the election up to chance? The Queen requires a leader who is town read and not scum. This dismissal of day one interaction gives me a bad feeling in my knickers.

[S-FM Squiggly]

Yowzah! The day has begun.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Oh dear -- the Queen would not support such an initiative, of course.

[Rassilon]

Can we vote to end the day early?

No. Time is now at a fixed rate and Time Locked.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

This allows scum to influence day and voting patterns by interjecting into the discussion false information and directions. I would rather avoid railroading our days into discussions about random votes.

Of course, early voting can serve a vital town role sometimes, but I don't think with this group you will find many basic slips. (Although I won't fully back this statement until everyone else posts).



... >.>
While I see your point of view I must continue to disagree good sir! That being said, I had been operating under the assumption that my day vote mattered, and was not just symbolic. Therefore I will concede the point for the time being given the complexity of the situation.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Poppycock! Day one can be a useful well of information. Why would you want to shorten the day and leave the election up to chance? The Queen requires a leader who is town read and not scum. This dismissal of day one interaction gives me a bad feeling in my knickers.

My respected colleague makes a most excellent point. The Election is upon us and we must glean from the day any useful information that we are blessed to receive. Ending the day prematurely would not be advisable for that very reason.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

I ask of each of the Queen's servants to give their opinion of how we can effectively elect a town leader whilst avoiding a corrupted scum leader whilst avoiding nulling a powerful role if we can. It is crucial not to elect a scum leader given their power and influence over the common folk.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

People are talking. I don't know what they're saying.
Sorry, Must Dash!

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

People are talking. I don't know what they're saying.
Sorry, Must Dash!
Good doctor, surely you must be forming some opinion of our doings?

[S-FM Grubby]

Well I think this is a big ol' bag of bullshit and you guys just want to look like you are doing something. So I will be giving my vote to the most entertaining person day 1.

You can not make an informed decision on day 1. There is nothing to go off of.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

Well I think this is a big ol' bag of bullshit and you guys just want to look like you are doing something. So I will be giving my vote to the most entertaining person day 1.

You can not make an informed decision on day 1. There is nothing to go off of.
My good sir, I find your idea very disconcerting and likened to American politics! Surely you can make an informed decision on a leader day one instead of giving your vote to the player with the largest mouth! While it is only day 1, the suspicion I am already having of you is very thick!

[S-FM The First Doctor]

The first doctor reporting for duty!

Right so today's clusterfuck of posts is going to be all about mayorial elections? Well I'd like to nominate myself, obviously, I would make the best mayor. I promise to lower taxes, and fix potholes, you'll see me out every weekend helping to clean-up our river ways and local parks too! I promise to step up our police patrols in keeping our citizens safe on the streets, and i'll endeavour to crack down on the notorious drug smuggling cartels in this town. A vote for me is a vote for your future and safety!

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

The first doctor reporting for duty!

Right so today's clusterfuck of posts is going to be all about mayorial elections? Well I'd like to nominate myself, obviously, I would make the best mayor. I promise to lower taxes, and fix potholes, you'll see me out every weekend helping to clean-up our river ways and local parks too! I promise to step up our police patrols in keeping our citizens safe on the streets, and i'll endeavour to crack down on the notorious drug smuggling cartels in this town. A vote for me is a vote for your future and safety!
Esteemed colleague, whilst your social platform sounds marvellous, what is to stop a scum candidate from promising the same things and then using the extra votes to decimate the common folk?

[S-FM The First Doctor]

Well, i've made these election promises already, for a scum to copy me now would just be .. scummy. Nobody would vote for somebody like that, and such, I will secure office.

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

Okay i made it! Hi

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

lol why is my avatar Linonel from the thudnercats

[S-FM Grubby]

My good sir, I find your idea very disconcerting and likened to American politics! Surely you can make an informed decision on a leader day one instead of giving your vote to the player with the largest mouth! While it is only day 1, the suspicion I am already having of you is very thick!

I am fine with that.

And if you really want the vote why not just come out and say it? Will you stay a Try Hard after you get elected and give in depth reads or just make demands?

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Hello, everyone! I can clearly say that 7 is my lucky number today! Vote for Lucky 7 as and you won't get dissapointed.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

I am fine with that.

And if you really want the vote why not just come out and say it? Will you stay a Try Hard after you get elected and give in depth reads or just make demands?
By golly my boy! I wouldn't expect to play any differently if elected prime minister - I would still probe and ask questions as Her Majesty the Queen expects nothing less from her loyal servants!

Would you give more effort if I voted for you?


Well, i've made these election promises already, for a scum to copy me now would just be .. scummy. Nobody would vote for somebody like that, and such, I will secure office.

There are neutral roles that would love to be elected prime minister as soon as possible good chap! You may be one of them - is there any reason I should vote for you other than the fact that you want it? Because you are at the bottom of my list of candidates.

The third and seventh doctors, if you would, please provide to the common folk a brief analysis of the tenth and fifth doctors play thusfar.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

heY dUDe . i invITe YOu To ouR HoUSe thIS wOndErfuL EVENiNg.

leaVe Me , I waS sUper COoL And prImE MInIsTeR .

VOteD FOr me PLEASe EvERYthinG!

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

engLISH I'm SOrRY , IT is nOT OuR MoTHER TOnGUe.

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

engLISH I'm SOrRY , IT is nOT OuR MoTHER TOnGUe.

Then can you speak in your native tongue? Maybe we can understand you better if you do. After all, there is always Google Translate.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Good morning england!

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

S-FM The Tenth Doctor

TRusT Me.

i HaVe REAson to bEliEVE ThAt THe Mafia playeR.

[S-FM Grubby]

S-FM The Tenth Doctor

TRusT Me.

i HaVe REAson to bEliEVE ThAt THe Mafia playeR.

I have reason to believe that by fucking up your caps key you understand English just fine.

#Worstgambitever

[S-FM The War Doctor]

I have the right to believe that one of the Scum among us are easy to find based on behavior alone.

The tenth doctor appears to be the most Town with his post of #7 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522547&viewfull=1#post522547).

For now, I'd like to start the game by going up to eleven and for early pressure.

S-FM The Eleventh Doctor

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

I have the right to believe that one of the Scum among us are easy to find based on behavior alone.

The tenth doctor appears to be the most Town with his post of #7 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522547&viewfull=1#post522547).

For now, I'd like to start the game by going up to eleven and for early pressure.

S-FM The Eleventh Doctor

No surprise that #7 is his lucky post!

And yeah, I have to conclude that Fourth is really bad at acting.

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Also, Tenth, I would never pick someone like you as Prime Minister, no matter how much "town-ish" you are. Your offesive gesture tells me enough about your bad personality.

Does anyone agree with me?

[S-FM Buzzy]

Hello little elves. Good Luck.

[S-FM Buzzy]

lol why is my avatar Linonel from the thudnercats

The pictures have been chosen with little thought by higher powers, such as a monarch that cares little for our wellbeing. If only Britain followed in the footsteps of the grand French Revolution.

Anyway, are you interested in being Prime Minister? I'm gravitating towards placing my vote on the War Doctor. War is what made Britain Great, after all.

[S-FM The War Doctor]

Anyway, are you interested in being Prime Minister? I'm gravitating towards placing my vote on the War Doctor. War is what made Britain Great, after all.

I'd say that Great Britain were developed by imperialism.

[S-FM Squiggly]

Doctors you must realize by now that if anyone of us were to be elected into a post that we would all be elected surely. We are one and the same afterall.

[S-FM The War Doctor]

Doctors you must realize by now that if anyone of us were to be elected into a post that we would all be elected surely. We are one and the same afterall.

Arguably we are both the same and not the same, it's all on the nature of what we do.
I for one would like for someone with a high level of charisma to take the election.

[S-FM Buzzy]

Arguably we are both the same and not the same, it's all on the nature of what we do.
I for one would like for someone with a high level of charisma to take the election.

Be the change you want to see, my friend.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

Also, Tenth, I would never pick someone like you as Prime Minister, no matter how much "town-ish" you are. Your offesive gesture tells me enough about your bad personality.

Does anyone agree with me?
By golly good friend! I do not feel that number 10 has done enough to be esteemed as a town read. His behavior immediately following his one "town" post has been utter rubbish. It feels as if the tenth doctor attempted to make one good post, and then write off the rest of the day as useless. No no, this cannot be.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

I must day esteemed colleagues that the seventh doctors reading of the tenth doctor has made me uneasy. He has read him as town for only one post. I must sit down and have some tea to calm myself.

[S-FM Buzzy]

By golly good friend! I do not feel that number 10 has done enough to be esteemed as a town read. His behavior immediately following his one "town" post has been utter rubbish. It feels as if the tenth doctor attempted to make one good post, and then write off the rest of the day as useless. No no, this cannot be.

Pull that textbook language out of your asshole and join the correct century, please. :3

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

Pull that textbook language out of your asshole and join the correct century, please. :3
Your brutal language cannot stifle my courage!

If I may ask, good doctor, what is your opinion regarding the seventh doctor?

[S-FM Buzzy]

Your brutal language cannot stifle my courage!

If I may ask, good doctor, what is your opinion regarding the seventh doctor?

Difficult to say at this point. I hold similar views to you on ten, but he ended that post about ten with "does anyone agree with me?". It was almost like he was testing the waters to see what our response would be. Perhaps it was to see if anyone would jump on the "I <3 10" bandwagon and to rat out potential evils.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

I have the right to believe that one of the Scum among us are easy to find based on behavior alone.

The tenth doctor appears to be the most Town with his post of #7 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522547&viewfull=1#post522547).

For now, I'd like to start the game by going up to eleven and for early pressure.

S-FM The Eleventh Doctor
Good doctor, much appreciation to your scum hunting attitude. I do wonder how you feel about the rest of the tenth doctors posts, given his attitude towards day 1. If you could be so kind as to enlighten us as to his further posts and how you feel about them.

[S-FM The War Doctor]

Good doctor, much appreciation to your scum hunting attitude. I do wonder how you feel about the rest of the tenth doctors posts, given his attitude towards day 1. If you could be so kind as to enlighten us as to his further posts and how you feel about them.

Is that not the case of at least a quarter of everyone here during the first day?

Make an impressive post then just sit down with their legs crossed, drinking their tea with an ever so subtle smirk.

I am aware that his other posts are not well aligned, but during the first day the first impression is more important than their overall behavior unless you can pinpoint that there's something far more sinister going on.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

Is that not the case of at least a quarter of everyone here during the first day?

Make an impressive post then just sit down with their legs crossed, drinking their tea with an ever so subtle smirk.

I am aware that his other posts are not well aligned, but during the first day the first impression is more important than their overall behavior unless you can pinpoint that there's something far more sinister going on.
I do say good sir that it is imperative to observe all posts as a collection. I do not find the action of putting up a front to appear one way to mask your further actions as worthy of a town read, and feel your analysis of the situation to be disconnected from your read of the doctor in question.

[Rassilon]

Notice

-If you have logged onto your account and have an Old Avatar (These accounts where used in a previous game), I Implore you to change it.
-If at anytime you feel you have inadequate time to give. Do not be afraid of asking for a replacement.

[S-FM Buzzy]

I do say good sir that it is imperative to observe all posts as a collection. I do not find the action of putting up a front to appear one way to mask your further actions as worthy of a town read, and feel your analysis of the situation to be disconnected from your read of the doctor in question.

After doctor ten confessed he'd simply vote for the person who seemed the most charismatic, doctor one did that shitposting / entertaining post about being a good Prime Minister for society. It's as if One jumped on the opportunity to try and win an easy vote.

Of course, this doesn't mean much. He could have planned to just shitpost anyway. But, if he was planning on shitposting that regardless, I can't help but wonder why on earth he seriously defended his shitpost after you questioned him as a leader. After you tore his desire to be PM apart, he receded into the shadows never to talk again.

However, I'd like to hear Doctor One's response to my thoughts. He might reveal my ideas to be total bullshit with a highly believable explanation for his actions.

Anyway, who are you thinking about voting? If I blindly vote with you everyone will think we're on the same team, which would be an interesting contradiction, considering we're totally not on the same team.

[S-FM Squiggly]

I feel the need to let today's events transpire and not push any lynches. It's day one afterall and we're all looking for early scumtells. I prefer my day 1 to be trolltastic.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

After doctor ten confessed he'd simply vote for the person who seemed the most charismatic, doctor one did that shitposting / entertaining post about being a good Prime Minister for society. It's as if One jumped on the opportunity to try and win an easy vote.

Of course, this doesn't mean much. He could have planned to just shitpost anyway. But, if he was planning on shitposting that regardless, I can't help but wonder why on earth he seriously defended his shitpost after you questioned him as a leader. After you tore his desire to be PM apart, he receded into the shadows never to talk again.

However, I'd like to hear Doctor One's response to my thoughts. He might reveal my ideas to be total bullshit with a highly believable explanation for his actions.

Anyway, who are you thinking about voting? If I blindly vote with you everyone will think we're on the same team, which would be an interesting contradiction, considering we're totally not on the same team.
Good observation my boy! I as well look forward to the first doctor's rebuttal.

I shall be voting for my townoest read. I will not reveal who that is at the moment (and it may change!) so as not to give scum an easy read to steal! I want to see interaction first!

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

I feel the need to let today's events transpire and not push any lynches. It's day one afterall and we're all looking for early scumtells. I prefer my day 1 to be trolltastic.
I do not understand your point of view good sir!! Can you clarify how you expect to find a scumtell while simultaneously trolling?

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

well, im pretty sure we have a vigilante to counter a possible mafia Prime Minister. I wonder what happends if you don't vote for a prime minister.

[S-FM The Sixth Doctor]

well, im pretty sure we have a vigilante to counter a possible mafia Prime Minister. I wonder what happends if you don't vote for a prime minister.
My good sir the Queen requires that all of her servants cast their votes

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

My good sir the Queen requires that all of her servants cast their votes

Can i vote on the queen?

[S-FM The Second Doctor]

well, im pretty sure we have a vigilante to counter a possible mafia Prime Minister. I wonder what happends if you don't vote for a prime minister.

This. An election of a non-Town PM wouldn't destroy the town in it of itself as long as we realize that the PM still needs to act towny and at least appear to be helping the town. It would be amazingly tricky to pull off such a feat for an extended period of time.

Basically, the rest of the town acts as a check against electing an evil PM via lynches and night actions.

Not to say we don't need to watch who we elect, as long as we realize that not voting collectively is likely a bad thing

Therefore I suggest we attempt to discuss who we should vote for before night hits us.

[S-FM Squiggly]

I do not understand your point of view good sir!! Can you clarify how you expect to find a scumtell while simultaneously trolling?

No doubt I'm not looking for scum tells at this point in time. We may as well point fingers at each and every one of our selves now.

[S-FM Squiggly]

Im well aware that we do indeed need to vote, and as such I will do so carefully.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Just don't vote for me. Im way too important.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Doctor on me

[S-FM Buzzy]

This. An election of a non-Town PM wouldn't destroy the town in it of itself as long as we realize that the PM still needs to act towny and at least appear to be helping the town. It would be amazingly tricky to pull off such a feat for an extended period of time.

Basically, the rest of the town acts as a check against electing an evil PM via lynches and night actions.

Not to say we don't need to watch who we elect, as long as we realize that not voting collectively is likely a bad thing

Therefore I suggest we attempt to discuss who we should vote for before night hits us.

Honestly, I have an interest in pursuing Prime Minister, but it's kind of pointless because if I do ask for votes it'll do nothing but turn people on me.

So instead I'll just cleverly frame my desires in a post pretending not to claim PM votes, while implicitly claiming PM votes, and then I'll ironically remark upon this plan so that critics get lost in my WIFOM spaghetti.

[S-FM The Second Doctor]

Im well aware that we do indeed need to vote, and as such I will do so carefully.

This statement means nothing....

[S-FM Grubby]

Anyway, who are you thinking about voting? If I blindly vote with you everyone will think we're on the same team, which would be an interesting contradiction, considering we're totally not on the same team.

Tell me more about how you know you are not on the same team as 6..

Do Neutrals votes count for 2 in the PM election as well as in a lynch?
If the PM is killed will his election take the place of the towns ability to lynch on the following day?

[S-FM Grubby]

Also vig should shoot the doc #4. I would do it myself but I am a doctor and all..

[Rassilon]

Do Neutrals votes count for 2 in the PM election as well as in a lynch? Just the PM Election.
If the PM is killed will his election take the place of the towns ability to lynch on the following day? Both will occur on the same day.
Answers in Red

[Rassilon]

You have approximately 24 hours remaining.
All votes must be placed at least 1 hour, via PM, before the end of the day.

[S-FM The First Doctor]

After doctor ten confessed he'd simply vote for the person who seemed the most charismatic, doctor one did that shitposting / entertaining post about being a good Prime Minister for society. It's as if One jumped on the opportunity to try and win an easy vote.

You're right, I was looking for an easy vote, but with a coordinated mafia team, neutrals with double votes, and someone out there with a sponsor pushing for their election, the disorganised town is unlikely to elect one of their own when playing with passive 'vote me but please dont vote me' plays.


I can't help but wonder why on earth he seriously defended his shitpost after you questioned him as a leader. After you tore his desire to be PM apart, he receded into the shadows never to talk again

This was just a good laugh, [QUOTE]There are neutral roles that would love to be elected prime minister as soon as possible good chap! You may be one of them - is there any reason I should vote for you other than the fact that you want it?[\QUOTE] I dont think in any setting is that 'tearing' someone up, it was but a mere comment, you needn't dramatasise these things. As for my dissapearence, my comments were posted right before heading out for the evening, and i've only just awoken.

Lots of love, The First Doctor, xoxo

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Well, if you really want to vote someone, here is one good advice.

Keep your vote to yourself. You should not reveal your intentions to vote a certain person, and you shouldn't pick your vote based on what others tell you. Personal judgement is the best.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

Wat Dr.10?

ALReADy OMGUS?

Wat Dr.10?

AlReadY uSE up viG?

WaT Dr.10?

DrAws Out pRs?

waT Dr.10?

yOU waNT taILor lyNch me?

#10 too noob to scum.

Lol

I'm too dangerous to keep alive.

I dare you to not attempt killing me now.

I'm not a veteran, don't bus me, I'm taking this heads on.

Believe me, my last will is worse than keeping me alive.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

The tenth doctor is my favorite

[S-FM Grubby]

heY dUDe . i invITe YOu To ouR HoUSe thIS wOndErfuL EVENiNg.

leaVe Me , I waS sUper COoL And prImE MInIsTeR .

VOteD FOr me PLEASe EvERYthinG!


engLISH I'm SOrRY , IT is nOT OuR MoTHER TOnGUe.

So you want players to not pay attention to you and expect little contribution from you yet you want to be the Prime Minister? This couldn't be a more obvious gambit if you called it a gambit in the post. I would call it lynch bait if today was a lynch day but it is not.

Wat Dr.10?

ALReADy OMGUS?

Wat Dr.10?

AlReadY uSE up viG?

WaT Dr.10?

DrAws Out pRs?

waT Dr.10?

yOU waNT taILor lyNch me?

#10 too noob to scum.

Lol

I'm too dangerous to keep alive.

I dare you to not attempt killing me now.

I'm not a veteran, don't bus me, I'm taking this heads on.

Believe me, my last will is worse than keeping me alive.

Your last will is totally brutal right now huh? Unless you are Mrs. Cleo and want to give us a reading on our futures there is probably fuck all of value in your LW. You are like a verbal puffer fish trying to sound like you are scum hunting (with that vote on me) and providing incentive to other players to ignore you or at the very least not interact with you. I don't have to make an effort to point out why that's scummy especially when half way though this post you dropped the bullshit gambit and started posting in your 'native tongue' which is indeed English.

What I see is a scum that overplayed their hand failing to gauge how they should portray their fake 'reads' to the town and trying too hard to sound like they are paranoid about being night killed with a slap retarded insinuation that they have a dangerous last will.

Please, tell everyone all about how you are so confident I am scum and let us know what shocking revelations you have read in D1 chat that we are all too stupid to see. Or better yet explain why you pulled such a god awful gambit.

[S-FM Grubby]

Well, if you really want to vote someone, here is one good advice.

Keep your vote to yourself. You should not reveal your intentions to vote a certain person, and you shouldn't pick your vote based on what others tell you. Personal judgement is the best.

My advice would be to vote. Scum will have a huge incentive to vote with a team block on one side and multi-vote power on the other. The worst thing town can do is not vote.

[S-FM Grubby]

I guess doc 4 hung around for 30 minutes and decided he had nothing to say. Must have been a language barrier right?

Pro tips- Use broken engilish instead of acting like your shift key had Tourette Syndrome. And set yourself to invisible so people cant see you hanging around like a vulture when you type up a response and decide its better not to post it.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

I would rather drink my tea

D1 troll.


S-FM The War Doctor

The guy with the weird name

D1 RVS (random voting system- it's a term used to describe a popular noob/scum strategy)


Just some thoughts:

The neutrals we want to avoid need to become the Prime Minister in order to meet their win con (Jester, Executioner) so withholding that would be a good idea.

I would strongly suggest we never give a neutral the Prime Minister title for any reason. If someone claims neutral for it and says they will support the town that is a massive risk we do not need to take.

Neutrals can self vote so do not put it past a Prime Minister Jester to self hammer

Neutral votes count for 2 so we should be able to easily tell who is the neutral so long as we keep track of the vote counter. I would also encourage players to night kill them to limit the scum swing in the late game (As that scum can use the Prime Minister vote as an incentive to get neutrals to side with them)

For our D1 election we have nothing to go on. Like.. Less than nothing. We can not even pressure or hunt without the ability to vote. All we can do is debate planning to divine scum/town aligned thinking but more than likely all we will end up with is figuring out who is a "Skilled" or "Lazy" player from those conversations.

The trade off to getting elected is the loss of your night action for getting elected so if you have a decent TPR make some kind of effort to stay out of the races (but not in any way that would be obvious and reveal you are a TPR)

Last wills are a thing so use that shit. I have seen too many games lost because town members were too lazy to put critical information in their last wills.

Framers also frame visiting- Expect this to be a point of issue if a lookout/detective pegs a player visiting a player that was killed by the mafia. It may be better to withhold those leads and poke them for slips before revealing.

Will an Actress appear as the targeted players alignment as well as role, or just their role?
Will/can a Tailor change the flipped alignment of a player?

You start out encouraging a killer heavy setup to use their night kills... You're also creating a neutral hunt when that's not MY objective.


You then say today is mostly useless. Again, this is a scum/noob RVS Day 1 mentality. Look it up. You think we can't figure out connections today? You think I couldn't immediately see through your fake town posts? Lols. You're a horrible fake town leader suggesting we don't even use today.

You finish up with restating the premise of the setup... As though it's something new or useful. Lol..

It's actually your questions to the host at the end that gave you away.

You see, I have privy information suggesting you know there to be a tailor. In fact you are attempting to maximize confusion and increase doubt. The truth is I'm the only person in this setup that can figure out this confusion.


I want to mislynch him and night kill you tonight for pointing out my scummy devious plot.
Troll, continues RVS.


I would also like to take this moment to point out that Frank Turner is the male Taylor Swift of Europe.

Troll.


First off- Its no lynch. Votes do not matter
Second- Prime Minister votes are done via PM not here. Votes do not matter

So votes are silly fluff we can do for giggles while burning through a shit day with nothing to talk about

Can we vote to end the day early?
Dangerous horrible anti-town idea to limit discussion and continue to write off D1. Bear in mind, this is asked on the fucking first page of the game.



Well I think this is a big ol' bag of bullshit and you guys just want to look like you are doing something. So I will be giving my vote to the most entertaining person day 1.

You can not make an informed decision on day 1. There is nothing to go off of.

You continue to push RVS Day1. If at this point you haven't googled mafia debate RVS -
The only benefit to write off day 1 is for scum to not slip, especially under pressure. Which you've done immediately after I posted a lynch vote on you. Scum write from an informed opinion (they can't help it). Town write from an uninformed opinion. By having no opinion D1, you insulate yourself and your scum teammates.


I am fine with that.

And if you really want the vote why not just come out and say it? Will you stay a Try Hard after you get elected and give in depth reads or just make demands?

You come off aggressive and engaging from this post. You got a power role and feel safe to act like a shark. Problem is you're spotted.



I have reason to believe that by fucking up your caps key you understand English just fine.

#Worstgambitever

Do you understand what a gambit is? This wasn't a gambit. I was prodding you from an easily defamed character to see how you'd react. You reacted violently, emotionally, and even asked for me to be shot after I created a dumbass persona and asked to "lynch" you on a non- lynch day... This is a classic scum reaction. Google "OMGUS" - you just pulled a textbook "Oh My God You Suck"- because... Scum.



Tell me more about how you know you are not on the same team as 6..

Do Neutrals votes count for 2 in the PM election as well as in a lynch?
If the PM is killed will his election take the place of the towns ability to lynch on the following day?

I had this passing similar thought. I somehow feel like you're actually bussing six.



Also vig should shoot the doc #4. I would do it myself but I am a doctor and all..
Clearly you're not dumb, or at least you seem eager to learn, so here's a tip. When you're scum, as you are now, don't OMGUS so hard and couple it with horrible anti-town strategy.

Again, this is a massively KPN heavy game. You want to see town set itself on fire? You want a big to waste his shot instead of saving it for a REAL issue, like a scum PM for example? "Oh yeah that'd be more useful, durr."



So you want players to not pay attention to you and expect little contribution from you yet you want to be the Prime Minister? This couldn't be a more obvious gambit if you called it a gambit in the post. I would call it lynch bait if today was a lynch day but it is not.


Your last will is totally brutal right now huh? Unless you are Mrs. Cleo and want to give us a reading on our futures there is probably fuck all of value in your LW. You are like a verbal puffer fish trying to sound like you are scum hunting (with that vote on me) and providing incentive to other players to ignore you or at the very least not interact with you. I don't have to make an effort to point out why that's scummy especially when half way though this post you dropped the bullshit gambit and started posting in your 'native tongue' which is indeed English.

What I see is a scum that overplayed their hand failing to gauge how they should portray their fake 'reads' to the town and trying too hard to sound like they are paranoid about being night killed with a slap retarded insinuation that they have a dangerous last will.

Please, tell everyone all about how you are so confident I am scum and let us know what shocking revelations you have read in D1 chat that we are all too stupid to see. Or better yet explain why you pulled such a god awful gambit.

Your OMGUS knows no bounds. Again, I revealed that I was using a dumbass persona- a prod from a dumbass persona freaked you out. When I revealed a bit more, I maintained a more aggressive stance to see if you'd pay it any attention. This set you on FIRE, even though it was mostly baseless (although true).

I bet you wish you could have skipped this day as it's revealed a lot about you.

1. You're emotional
2. You're hyper reactive to the smallest of prods
3. You act very aggressively
4. Your plans are anti-town (skip day, waste big shot, vote 'most entertaining player', contribute to D1 shot posting to disincentivize Town conversation.

I can easily conclude you're mafia. I can easily conclude Mafia has a tailor. I can easily say there's no way town is giving you mayor.

Again, next time you're scum, try not to be so reactive and emotional. It's the most classic of tells.


My advice would be to vote. Scum will have a huge incentive to vote with a team block on one side and multi-vote power on the other. The worst thing town can do is not vote.
I agree. However your method of choosing is practically baseless.

I've noticed some vs. interactions today. Don't feel as though you need to choose between 2 players butting heads. It can always be safe bussing today for scum buddies pretending to both be good options. I'd recommend someone rather unopinionated.

If it's not obvious what role I am, let me make this clear. DO NOT vote me mayor.


I guess doc 4 hung around for 30 minutes and decided he had nothing to say. Must have been a language barrier right?

Pro tips- Use broken engilish instead of acting like your shift key had Tourette Syndrome. And set yourself to invisible so people cant see you hanging around like a vulture when you type up a response and decide its better not to post it.

You're hyper aggressively pursuing this OMGUS and you don't even realize you're only digging your grave deeper. You realize you're aggressively pursuing a couple baseless dumb-ass posts against you? Your reaction was SOOoO worth it. Again, it reveled a LOT about your role, your alliance, and your scum team.

[S-FM Grubby]

Holy shit. It speaks English. Who woulda thunk it..

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

Holy shit. It speaks English. Who woulda thunk it..


Holy shit. It speaks English. Who woulda thunk it..

Haha, so I guess the idea of a lynch bait pressure test still eludes you?

Lynch Bait- someone who is purposely painted as a low hanging fruit for scum to hop on

Pressure Test- the purpose is to pressure a player for the purpose of a reaction

You reacted to the pressure test by OMGUS the lynch bait.

Can you see that now?

Can you see how my actual last will is dangerous now?

I'm a firm believer that D1 has the potential to reveal scum if you don't treat it like a shitposting day.

I also recognize this May be a TvT (Town vs. Town) case, as you brought up 3 points I agree with.

In general your reactions, play style, strategies and aggressive behavior suggests you're either a newer player, scum, or both.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now, although I'd ask players to remember Dr.10's reaction to a lynch bait pressure test, and take note of his unusually aggressive opening.

I'd also ask that Vigis refrain from N1 kills until there is more to go on tomorrow. This game has the potential to lose a lot of Town VERY quickly. Show restraint.

I'd also request a body double be on me as my role is possibly the only one that can resolve the sure-to-be confusion after Dr.10's tip that we can expect a tailor role. This is my D1 soft claim.

[S-FM Grubby]

For starters "RVS" means "Random Voting Stage" and it is a useful tool in simple setups to gain behavioral reads on players when there is otherwise no information to go off of. New players do it because experienced players make it the norm. Experienced players do it because it allows D1 scum hunting.

You then say today is mostly useless. Again, this is a scum/noob RVS Day 1 mentality. Look it up. You think we can't figure out connections today? You think I couldn't immediately see through your fake town posts? Lols. You're a horrible fake town leader suggesting we don't even use today.
Or did I create a situation to see who would push for contributions and get a read on sheep vs leaders. You need to add a few layers of WIFOM and step it up.


You see, I have privy information suggesting you know there to be a tailor. In fact you are attempting to maximize confusion and increase doubt. The truth is I'm the only person in this setup that can figure out this confusion.
Are you for real right here? I do not care how good you are the though process of thinking everyone else is too stupid to understand what is going on is just egotistical bullshit. There is always someone bigger, smarter, and more effective out there. Not that this relates to your alignment in any way but its a shitty thing to say. Your heavy tailor focus and read looks pretty bad though. Almost like you are setting up to forward a scum win con incase your role flips.

Dangerous horrible anti-town idea to limit discussion and continue to write off D1. Bear in mind, this is asked on the fucking first page of the game.
I really have trouble seeing where you are coming from here. I mean I can not even think of anything short of insanity to justify the words here. If I said the sky was blue would it be a "Dangerous horrible anti-town" statement? And I believe I was the first to ask this question in this game.

You continue to push RVS Day1. If at this point you haven't googled mafia debate RVS -
The only benefit to write off day 1 is for scum to not slip, especially under pressure. Which you've done immediately after I posted a lynch vote on you. Scum write from an informed opinion (they can't help it). Town write from an uninformed opinion. By having no opinion D1, you insulate yourself and your scum teammates.
Still don't think you know what RVS is. Although given this post I expect better of you. You are playing skin deep and can do better.

You come off aggressive and engaging from this post. You got a power role and feel safe to act like a shark. Problem is you're spotted.
Oh dear. I am spotted. Problem is I am not a PR. Although your TPR hunting is noted.

Do you understand what a gambit is? This wasn't a gambit. I was prodding you from an easily defamed character to see how you'd react. You reacted violently, emotionally, and even asked for me to be shot after I created a dumbass persona and asked to "lynch" you on a non- lynch day... This is a classic scum reaction. Google "OMGUS" - you just pulled a textbook "Oh My God You Suck"- because... Scum.
Saying I don't understand what a gambit is and then saying you pulled a gambit? ...Wut

Your OMGUS knows no bounds. Again, I revealed that I was using a dumbass persona- a prod from a dumbass persona freaked you out. When I revealed a bit more, I maintained a more aggressive stance to see if you'd pay it any attention. This set you on FIRE, even though it was mostly baseless (although true).

I bet you wish you could have skipped this day as it's revealed a lot about you.

1. You're emotional
2. You're hyper reactive to the smallest of prods
3. You act very aggressively
4. Your plans are anti-town (skip day, waste big shot, vote 'most entertaining player', contribute to D1 shot posting to disincentivize Town conversation.

I can easily conclude you're mafia. I can easily conclude Mafia has a tailor. I can easily say there's no way town is giving you mayor.
I can not easily conclude anything D1 which just pushes that whole 'everyone is stupid except for me' thing you have going. Although I would bet that I have found more scum D1 in the last six months than you have ever found given my read on you. I do however agree that I am aggressive and have behaved anti-town in some ways.


I agree. However your method of choosing is practically baseless.

I've noticed some vs. interactions today. Don't feel as though you need to choose between 2 players butting heads. It can always be safe bussing today for scum buddies pretending to both be good options. I'd recommend someone rather unopinionated.

If it's not obvious what role I am, let me make this clear. DO NOT vote me mayor.
Smh. Either bad or scum. Why in the fuck would you say this..


You're hyper aggressively pursuing this OMGUS and you don't even realize you're only digging your grave deeper. You realize you're aggressively pursuing a couple baseless dumb-ass posts against you? Your reaction was SOOoO worth it. Again, it reveled a LOT about your role, your alliance, and your scum team.
I was not aware I was actually pressuring at all. But your reaction was pretty interesting. It is a no-lynch day after all. And feel free to tell me all about my role because that seems to be your focus (As opposed to my alignment)

[S-FM Grubby]

Haha, so I guess the idea of a lynch bait pressure test still eludes you?

Lynch Bait- someone who is purposely painted as a low hanging fruit for scum to hop on

Pressure Test- the purpose is to pressure a player for the purpose of a reaction

You reacted to the pressure test by OMGUS the lynch bait.

Can you see that now?

Can you see how my actual last will is dangerous now?

I'm a firm believer that D1 has the potential to reveal scum if you don't treat it like a shitposting day.

I also recognize this May be a TvT (Town vs. Town) case, as you brought up 3 points I agree with.

In general your reactions, play style, strategies and aggressive behavior suggests you're either a newer player, scum, or both.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now, although I'd ask players to remember Dr.10's reaction to a lynch bait pressure test, and take note of his unusually aggressive opening.

I'd also ask that Vigis refrain from N1 kills until there is more to go on tomorrow. This game has the potential to lose a lot of Town VERY quickly. Show restraint.

I'd also request a body double be on me as my role is possibly the only one that can resolve the sure-to-be confusion after Dr.10's tip that we can expect a tailor role. This is my D1 soft claim.

Lynch bait on a no lynch day?... Really.... This is what you are going with?

And pressure on a no lynch day?

Maybe this is TvT but I really question your 'trap' Its fucking silly and you directing TPR's is dumb. I just don't understand what the fuck you are doing here. At best you are drunk town derping. At worst you are scum flipping shit from a soft poke.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

Lol. I reaction tested you, not the other way around.

I see you have conceded (defecto or overtly) on several key points:
1) your behavior encouraging RVS was scummy
2) you reacted in a scum manner to my pressure test on you

I'm wondering what benefit you have to act scummy D-1 in a kill friendly setup?

I'm also curious how no one else picked up on it.

I have to admit you got 1 major point wrong- I'm not saying I'm the only one who can piece this game together out of hubris- Rather I am soft-claiming a critical town role. I have a strong feeling who you are and that you're capable of guessing my role. Keep it to yourself.

[S-FM Grubby]

Lol. I reaction tested you, not the other way around.

I see you have conceded (defecto or overtly) on several key points:
1) your behavior encouraging RVS was scummy
2) you reacted in a scum manner to my pressure test on you

I'm wondering what benefit you have to act scummy D-1 in a kill friendly setup?

I'm also curious how no one else picked up on it.

I have to admit you got 1 major point wrong- I'm not saying I'm the only one who can piece this game together out of hubris- Rather I am soft-claiming a critical town role. I have a strong feeling who you are and that you're capable of guessing my role. Keep it to yourself.

Whatever. I could point out again what RVS is and how our community uses the term in a stupid way but whats the point. Please point to your role 30 more times because I am pretty sure there may be 2 players left in the game that missed that.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

I'm kind of over our spat. I'm seeing this more as a TvT. If you're not a power role would you want PM?

[S-FM Grubby]

I'm kind of over our spat. I'm seeing this more as a TvT. If you're not a power role would you want PM?

I'm split on that. I see some big advantages in letting the vote pool stay soft to see what comes out. Its not something I want to go into though.

[S-FM Grubby]

I suppose we kind of fucked that up by running things up a level though. I would take PM just because I am paranoid about it falling into the wrong hands. Although I was kind of hoping to see more players actually step up and say the wanted it.

[S-FM Buzzy]

You're right, I was looking for an easy vote, but with a coordinated mafia team, neutrals with double votes, and someone out there with a sponsor pushing for their election, the disorganised town is unlikely to elect one of their own when playing with passive 'vote me but please dont vote me' plays.



This was just a good laugh, [QUOTE]There are neutral roles that would love to be elected prime minister as soon as possible good chap! You may be one of them - is there any reason I should vote for you other than the fact that you want it?[\QUOTE] I dont think in any setting is that 'tearing' someone up, it was but a mere comment, you needn't dramatasise these things. As for my dissapearence, my comments were posted right before heading out for the evening, and i've only just awoken.

Lots of love, The First Doctor, xoxo

My apologies for my misinterpretation. Thankyou for the substantial response... *snigger* ...chap...

Anyway, I don't think it's that bad if a mafia gets elected. A mafia Prime Minister may even give us some good stuff to analyze. Extra votes don't mean much unless they can actually tip the balance between a lynch and non-lynch, and while there are still so many people, that won't be relevant for a while. And it's likely the first Prime Minister will be dead by the time "a while" arrives. I think each mafia would rather just keep his/her power role, in light of this.

So, I don't think you or me are bad people. And it'd be nice if one of us got voted in. But obviously talking about this makes people want to vote against it, so I have to ironically note this to counter-jynx things.

[S-FM Buzzy]

Notice

-If you have logged onto your account and have an Old Avatar (These accounts where used in a previous game), I Implore you to change it.
-If at anytime you feel you have inadequate time to give. Do not be afraid of asking for a replacement.

Also, I can't get to my profile to try and change my profile picture. Is there another way I can change my avatar without going to my profile?

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Ok, this is getting really funny to watch how Fourth and Tenth are trolling each other.

But I already made my choice on who to vote.

[S-FM Squiggly]

Sorry gents, I have been busy sipping tea and doing other flamboyant british things. I will read up and give my thoughts on the matter.

Cherrio and crumpets and what not.

[S-FM Squiggly]

The Fourth Doctor is obviously the right choice for this.

S-FM The Fourth Doctor

After reading everything, the fourth doctor is heavily trying to take over this town and make horrible arguments to why we should lynch the tenth doctor.

I have figured out this whole entire game, where is my shillings governor?

[Rassilon]

Approximately One hour Remaining.

You all have had -PLENTY- of time to vote.
Hence anyone not voting will either be ->
Replaced, Night and Vote Ability removed for Tonight and next Day, Or ModKilled.

This is the Power Of Rassilon

[Rassilon]

Night One

Night One Ends at THIS TIME (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151012T02&p0=136&font=cursive)

With the good people discussing whom shall lead, split amongst themselves quarrelling and debating silly topics about taxes and potholes.
Ignoring the much more serious topics about War and the European Union
This unbalance left them smack right bound into the middle.
Will this man be able to lead the United Kingdom to the top?
Or will he be the downfall of this once great Empire.

Note
-Replacements will happen. No one will be modkilled or lose any ability.

S-FM The Sixth Doctor Is Now President of the United Kingdom





Players
Roles
Graveyard


S-FM The First Doctor
S-FM The Second Doctor
S-FM The Third Doctor
S-FM The Fourth Doctor
S-FM The Fifth Doctor
S-FM The Sixth Doctor
S-FM The Seventh Doctor
S-FM The Eight Doctor
S-FM The War Doctor
S-FM The Ninth Doctor
S-FM The Tenth Doctor
S-FM The Eleventh Doctor
S-FM The Twelfth Doctor
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Neutral




QuickLinks
LINK TO SETUP (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32759-S-FM-Prime-Minister-(Setup)-(13-Player))
Opening Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522508&viewfull=1#post522508)
Day One (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522527&viewfull=1#post522527)
Night One (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522941&viewfull=1#post522941)
Day Two (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=523200&viewfull=1#post523200)
Night Two (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=523685&viewfull=1#post523685)
Day Three (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=524060&viewfull=1#post524060)
Night Three (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525127&viewfull=1#post525127)
Day Four (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525191&viewfull=1#post525191)
Night Four (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525703&viewfull=1#post525703)
Day Five (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525764&viewfull=1#post525764)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxci_qTCM0E

[Rassilon]

Day Two

Day Two Ends at THIS TIME (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151014T02&p0=136&font=cursive)

S-FM The Sixth Doctor Has been killed.
His role was: Executioner



The Night was horrid. War has broken out. There was nothing that could be done.
Only just being elected, The Sixth Doctor has meet a grizzly gruesome end.
The rest of the Doctors, gathered his belongings, and find a terrible goal.
His intentions where selfish, he wished for the public death of another.
His body was cremated, with his multi-coloured suit left as a memorial.
It seems a New Leader must be found.

A New Prime Minister Must be elected by the end of the day,
Make sure you PM me your votes.




Players
Roles
Graveyard


S-FM The First Doctor
S-FM The Second Doctor
S-FM The Third Doctor
S-FM The Fourth Doctor
S-FM The Fifth Doctor
S-FM The Seventh Doctor
S-FM The Eight Doctor
S-FM The War Doctor
S-FM The Ninth Doctor
S-FM The Tenth Doctor
S-FM The Eleventh Doctor
S-FM The Twelfth Doctor
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Neutral
S-FM The Sixth Doctor: Executioner



QuickLinks
LINK TO SETUP (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32759-S-FM-Prime-Minister-(Setup)-(13-Player))
Opening Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522508&viewfull=1#post522508)
Day One (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522527&viewfull=1#post522527)
Night One (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=522941&viewfull=1#post522941)
Day Two (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=523200&viewfull=1#post523200)
Night Two (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=523685&viewfull=1#post523685)
Day Three (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=524060&viewfull=1#post524060)
Night Three (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525127&viewfull=1#post525127)
Day Four (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525191&viewfull=1#post525191)
Night Four (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525703&viewfull=1#post525703)
Day Five (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33296-S-FM-161-Prime-Minister?p=525764&viewfull=1#post525764)

[Rassilon]

7

;)

[S-FM Squiggly]

I had some interesting feedback last night.

I would like to share later with everyone if we can share.
Had anyone but me forget to vote for Prime Minister?

I had gotten a reminder, but it was a few minutes late for counting.

[S-FM Squiggly]

So I was hoping my last post before days end would discourage mafia from killing the fourth doctor.

I did not expect them to go for the sixth.

With neutral gone we don't have to worry about a jester at least.

[S-FM The Second Doctor]

So no real loss to town then? Thankfully we are spared from wasting a day blindly following the PM.

Can't wait to hear what happened to everyone else last night! ^.^
I was left alone. Which I guess is a plus?

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Hey everyone, I was so lucky tonight that I received no feedback at all!

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

I was bussed last night.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

I have none feedback to report.

[S-FM Grubby]

No feedback

[S-FM Grubby]

S-FM The Second Doctor

[S-FM The First Doctor]

Nothing to report from my end last night :)

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Oh, I just noticed that we have to elect a new Prime Minister again.

But who died and made Sixth Doctor the Prime Minster? I just don't get it. I know that I did not vote for Sixth.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

So I was hoping my last post before days end would discourage mafia from killing the fourth doctor.

I did not expect them to go for the sixth.

With neutral gone we don't have to worry about a jester at least.

You're foolish to believe the graveyard is real.


So no real loss to town then? Thankfully we are spared from wasting a day blindly following the PM.

Can't wait to hear what happened to everyone else last night! ^.^
I was left alone. Which I guess is a plus?

Lol, you actually believe the neut is gone as well. Almost too naïve.


I was bussed last night.

The correct term is actually 'driven', not to mention Bus is presumptuous/informed thinking.


S-FM The Second Doctor

I read you as neut hunting at the end of yesterday. I still believe this to be an attempt at a beacon to the real neut.


I'm going to review Dr.6's posts to search for kill motivation.
For the most part I agreed with his view points. Apparently scum did not agree wit h Dr.6 coming to power.

His posts were very much in agreement with mine regarding Dr.10. He stopped short of calling Dr.10 scum. I went the full monty but then pulled back.

I can't see this as framing Dr.10. I think it's very straight-forward. Dr. 10's playstyle is aggressive reactive- this kill choice transparently matches that style: aggressive & reactive. I pulled off Dr.10 aggro at the end, which is perhaps why I wasn't targeted.


Take-away Thoughts:
*Why was Dr.Six killed?
*Do you honestly believe Dr.Six was neutral executioner?
*What are your thoughts on Dr.10?
*Do not vote me for PM, let's discuss who to vote next.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Im voting eleven to be prime minister for reasons you cannot possibly understand.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

Im voting eleven to be prime minister for reasons you cannot possibly understand.

I don't like your "bussed" comment. It appears as though you're certain it was a bus driver, not a chauffeur. This appears to be an informed post.

That kind of informed post was an attempt at freebie Town points- when in reality withholding such information for later confirmation is usually more valuable.

I'm inclined to believe you're mafia and Bus Driver is Town.

S-FM The Ninth Doctor

Let's hear some reasons.

I have more reasons I really don't like you. I'll start with this.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Funny that my top scum suspect decides to hop on me. I woke up to check if i had any feedback and i wanted to be brief. I only said ''bussed'' so people would understand what i meant. I didn't even know that there was a mafia bus driver at that time.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

as far as i know i was swapped with the prime minister unless someone claims otherwise.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

as far as i know i was swapped with the prime minister unless someone claims otherwise.

So... wait wait.

You actually believe you were swapped with the PM elect, and the mafia chose to attack you.
What part of D1 did your posts merit aggro? This is rather non-sensical logic.

Second, after presenting the now almost confirmed Bus Driver no way to confirm himself- since you expect the second person who was bussed to volunteer themselves. Otherwise you assume you were swapped with PM.

Well, what isn't full-proof about this.
I'm assuming mafia killed the PM.
Mafia would be aware of whether their target died, therefore implying or disproving whether PM was bussed.
You're questioning nature and idiotic assumption that you were bussed with PM actually makes you appear less Mafia.
However it does reveal your insight is limited and your strategies won't be optimal.



Sadness.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

What alliance and or role killed Dr. 6?

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

I just think its unlikely that the mafia would directly attack the prime minister when there is a high possibility of a lookout or a doctor.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

So now after saying this:


Funny that my top scum suspect decides to hop on me. I woke up to check if i had any feedback and i wanted to be brief. I only said ''bussed'' so people would understand what i meant. I didn't even know that there was a mafia bus driver at that time.

After saying the above now you're rationalizing your original thought of why you were swapped.


I just think its unlikely that the mafia would directly attack the prime minister when there is a high possibility of a lookout or a doctor.

While this is a great point, it seems like you're just trying to make the story fit your original claim that you were bussed with PM- as you didn't realize a chauffeur role existed prior to your claim of being bussed with PM.

I can tell you, however, you are mistaken.

Takeaways:
*S-FM The Ninth Doctor appears Town, however I will not trust her strategies, logic, trains without proof claims. I will believe her claims.
*Bus Driver must be Town.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

While this is a great point, it seems like you're just trying to make the story fit your original claim that you were bussed with PM- as you didn't realize a chauffeur role existed prior to your claim of being bussed with PM.

I can tell you, however, you are mistaken.

Takeaways:
*S-FM The Ninth Doctor appears Town, however I will not trust her strategies, logic, trains without proof claims. I will believe her claims.
*Bus Driver must be Town.

What makes you so certain that the mafia wouldn't attack me?

The only way you could know for sure is if you participated in their chat.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

What makes you so certain that the mafia wouldn't attack me?

The only way you could know for sure is if you participated in their chat.

I don't want to discourage your participation, but to answer your question: your D1 play merited no kill as you were illogically buddying and failed to participate in a threatening manner. Frankly, you appeared inept. Dr.6 on the other hand appeared fierce and intelligent. This should be basic/obvious.

Anyone else share this view or disagree?

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

I expect more participation and opinions from everyone.

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Well, one thing is true: Night claimed himlsef to be bussed with someone else. Unless anyone says otherwise, we should conclude that either he was switched with Sixth, or is simply lying about being bussed.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

Well, one thing is true: Night claimed himlsef to be bussed with someone else. Unless anyone says otherwise, we should conclude that either he was switched with Sixth, or is simply lying about being bussed.

The premise of one of my arguments against Six was that:

Claiming driven is ok from one of the driven.

If both participants claim driven, it doesn't allow for the bus driver/chauffeur to claim and be verified at a later stage.

Can you see why expecting all participants to claim suddenly is a flawed strategy unless a claim called for it?

This allows for the basis of not only confirmations, but traps.

If a scum claims he receives negative feedback on a player who was bussed with a previously confirmed Town member, this is just one example to benefit the hidden nature of claims.

I highly suggest the second participant not reveal.

I understand the powerful argument for chauffeur. At the moment I'm going to have to insist that the Bus Driver is Town, not Mafia. Please give me until tomorrow to explain. Otherwise my last will can explain a lot if I don't survive tonight.

Literally anyone who has read my posts knows my role. I am likely a prime target, unless Mafia believes I can be painted as a day lynch for employing a lynch bait strategy yesterday.

As promised, I'm going to punish mafia for this hubris of letting me live.

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

We still need to pick another Prime Minister. How we can be sure that our next PM will be town this time?

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

Take-away Thoughts:
*Why was Dr.Six killed?
*Do you honestly believe Dr.Six was neutral executioner?
*What are your thoughts on Dr.10?
*Do not vote me for PM, let's discuss who to vote next.

This game is slowly drifting, drifting away. Wave after wave, wave after wave. Slowly drifting into lurkfest. There is actually little to no point in lurking this game.

As Town we have to establish order and lynch. This is our primary tool considering SuperJack isn't posting which alliance killed six, and presumably all future death descriptions. As a town heavy killing setup, this is horrendous and I'm saddened of the lack of a last will.

I encourage citizens to be very vocal. Policy lynching may have to occur today and going forward.

I've proposed the following questions we should pursue. Please do your best to make an effort at minimum answering to contribute.

I've already claimed a critical town role (soft).
I've already asserted that the bus driver is Town. (I am not soft claiming)
I've already asserted 9 is either Town or fishing mafia based in his insistence he was bussed with Dr.Six. I'm teetering on this one.
I've made it known that I believe six was tailored and not bussed.
I've explained and urged the importance the real second busses to not claim until a critical point occurs where such a confirmation is necessary.

Final note:
LEAVE LAST WILLS
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS IF YOU'RE UNCERTAIN HOW TO CONTRIBUTE.

[S-FM Grubby]

I understand but my thought is this.. I agree with 9 that its unlikely for the mafia to hit such a public player. It would however make sense for them to swap to players targeting the other one in order to avoid both doctors and lookouts which is why I believe that it is in fact a chauffeur and not a Bus Driver.
I feel the need to point out that chauffeurs can not target themselves but bus drivers can, this difference is very important to keep in mind later in the game.
Also if it is a chauffeur it would be a strong move to bus their own player with the kill target. This would protect him from an alignment check, prevent a doc/lookout from interfering with the kill, and semi town confirm one of their members. If I was a sheriff I would consider looking at 9 and encourage players not to view him as any more townie for insinuating he was targeted. I do not like how quickly he assumed the alignment of the chauffeur/bus driver or his fast assumption that he was swapped with 6. I can easier see both as coming from a night chat over being logical reasoning on the players side.

I also believe that a mafia player will be making a bid for the Prime Minister position today. It would make sense for them to coordinate said action after setting up to kill the PM.

[S-FM Grubby]

I suppose I did not mention above that part of that thought came from the fact that escort is below the chauffeur in the OoO

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

@10
I agree that chauffeur by all means makes the most amount of logical sense at this point. I disagree that it's reality from a more informed perspective, but I appreciate your honest take of the situation.

S-FM The Third Doctor

Policy lynch.

Pressure to contribute.

[S-FM Grubby]

We still need to pick another Prime Minister. How we can be sure that our next PM will be town this time?

I think that doctors should try to heal people, sheriffs should try to check for scum, and escorts should try to role block the scum power roles. I also think that the sky is blue, wouldn't you agree?

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

I think that doctors should try to heal people, sheriffs should try to check for scum, and escorts should try to role block the scum power roles. I also think that the sky is blue, wouldn't you agree?

How do you feel about announcing our votes for PM?

[S-FM Grubby]

@10
I agree that chauffeur by all means makes the most amount of logical sense at this point. I disagree that it's reality from a more informed perspective, but I appreciate your honest take of the situation.

S-FM The Third Doctor

Policy lynch.

Pressure to contribute.

I like this idea. I am just as willing to lynch doc 8. Both have effectively posted nothing in the game yet. If everyone just lurks this game I probably wont try very hard. I don't see the sense in banging my head against the wall trying to read afk players. May as well just policy lynch.


How do you feel about announcing our votes for PM?

I like the idea a lot but only the day after the election. Details will be in my last will.

Also there is a decent potential that doc 6 was in fact the neutral who got elected by self voting with a double vote power. I can say that I did not town read or vote for him. If there was a Tailor I would have expected a sheriff/cop to flip so they could CC a sheriff/cop down the road.

[S-FM Grubby]

-vote S-FM The Third Doctor

[S-FM Grubby]

S-FM The Third Doctor
...

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

If everyone just lurks this game I probably wont try very hard. I don't see the sense in banging my head against the wall trying to read afk players. May as well just policy

100%

Even now, all I can do is present a compelling scum read you. It's rather unfair considering we're the top contributors. Even if you flip scum, I can make a case on 1-2 others, but that's a non-gratifying yawnfest.

If it really is that simple, I'm going to be considerably less motivated.

Even now I've seen a range of doctors hopping in. The post count is still excessively low which lends favorably to contribution. Yet these doctors don't post...

If you're skimming, announce it. If you can't contribute at the time of reading, announce it. It's more of a comment on player courtesy.

[S-FM Grubby]

Yup.. Its sad too. I was looking forward to playing this game..

Can a Tailor alter/remove a players last will?
If they can not I strongly suggest every player place their role in their last will. This will save some confusion in the late game.

[S-FM Buzzy]

(addressed mainly towards The Fourth Doctor)

It appears you have deduced Six's innocence, and then grew a logic tree from there, unwilling to snap the logic tree unless the evidence is overwhelming that the underlying assumptions are wrong. Don't get me wrong, that's a very reasonable and understandable approach to this game.

However, The idea that Mafia deduced who executioner is d1 (or simply randomly tailored and hoped for the best), and then attacked six with the master plan of making the neutral appear to be dead seems incredibly unlikely. Assuming there's a tailor is a leap in and of itself, (particularly as it seems to be an assumption made when you thought ten was an evil hinting there was a tailor in the first page) to then assume this master plan feels ridiculous, honestly. Unless I'm missing something.

It's highly possible 6 was just garnering some support on d1 and biding his time before he went for the kill as executioner. And 6's win feels far more understandable if he self-voted himself into power.

Also, policy lynching feels silly too. We know the inactives are going to get replaced with more active players. Our efforts would be far better concentrated on pressure lynching, and perhaps getting some of the more active players in this game to reveal a few more cards in their hand.

The other thing I've been thinking about is the mafia's unexpected, ballsy attack on 6. If 10's Chauffeur theory isn't correct, it's very possible this first nightkill was to test the waters when it comes to the protectives. If there really is a protective, they're playing pretty risky and WIFOMy to not simply protect their own fucking president (unless they were one of the inactives who got replaced xD). The mafia have learnt about the nature of the protectives they're dealing with. This is bad news bears.

Please try to be less predictable, if you're out there, protectives, and this wasn't a chauffering.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

With neutral gone we don't have to worry about a jester at least.

I'm not comfortable jumping to this conclusion given the possibility of a Tailor. If the Mafia has a Tailor, then they would start using its three charges as soon as possible in order to muddle the graveyard and throw off our information. Also, the role that would make sense to fake the most would be a Neutral in terms of throwing our collective guard off for a potential Executioner or Jester. I think we should keep our guard up on the possibility of a Neutral still lurking around in the background. Maybe less than 50% now for sure (if the Mafia doesn't have a Tailor), but certainly not 0%.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

I received no feedback last night either. As a heads up, I'm walking through today's posts and responding to them in order.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Take-away Thoughts:
*Why was Dr.Six killed?

This is an interesting one to me overall. Attacking the just-elected Prime Minster seems extremely reckless to me -- perhaps the Mafia isn't playing close attention to the game? If a protective guards the PM last night, the Mafia is in a pretty quick hole and at least we have the opportunity to hear if 6 has anything to say.

On the other hand, maybe the Mafia figured the protectives would go for other targets and therefore took a huge risk in attacking 6? I could see this being a decent theory as well, especially if they're shooting to get one of their own elected today and wanted to get rid of the incumbent PM.

In either case, I am working under the assumption that 6 was not Mafia given the single kill. While this is not 100% confirmed, it would require some insane combination of targeting such as a Tailor targeting a Mafia member who walked into a Veteran. This just doesn't seem plausible to me.

[S-FM Buzzy]

(addressed mainly towards The Fourth Doctor)

It appears you have deduced Six's innocence, and then grew a logic tree from there, unwilling to snap the logic tree unless the evidence is overwhelming that the underlying assumptions are wrong. Don't get me wrong, that's a very reasonable and understandable approach to this game.

However, The idea that Mafia deduced who executioner is d1 (or simply randomly tailored and hoped for the best), and then attacked six with the master plan of making the neutral appear to be dead seems incredibly unlikely. Assuming there's a tailor is a leap in and of itself, (particularly as it seems to be an assumption made when you thought ten was an evil hinting there was a tailor in the first page) to then assume this master plan feels ridiculous, honestly. Unless I'm missing something.

It's highly possible 6 was just garnering some support on d1 and biding his time before he went for the kill as executioner. And 6's win feels far more understandable if he self-voted himself into power.

Also, policy lynching feels silly too. We know the inactives are going to get replaced with more active players. Our efforts would be far better concentrated on pressure lynching, and perhaps getting some of the more active players in this game to reveal a few more cards in their hand.

The other thing I've been thinking about is the mafia's unexpected, ballsy attack on 6. If 10's Chauffeur theory isn't correct, it's very possible this first nightkill was to test the waters when it comes to the protectives. If there really is a protective, they're playing pretty risky and WIFOMy to not simply protect their own fucking president (unless they were one of the inactives who got replaced xD). The mafia have learnt about the nature of the protectives they're dealing with. This is bad news bears.

Please try to be less predictable, if you're out there, protectives, and this wasn't a chauffering.

My apologies, I misread the role of Tailor. He doesn't have to replace the role of a dead player with another role. This makes my first couple points largely moot.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

as far as i know i was swapped with the prime minister unless someone claims otherwise.

Your odd logic is hurting my brain. Why would you assume that the PM was also swapped and you were attacked instead of him? I mean, I guess it could have happened that way (anything's possible right?), but that's a rather weird rabbithole to go down.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

What makes you so certain that the mafia wouldn't attack me?

The only way you could know for sure is if you participated in their chat.

This seems unusually defensive, almost a quasi OMGUS against 4. 6 participated far more during Day 1 than 9 did, which might very well explain why 6 is dead right now. Not sure why 9 would think the Mafia would be gunning for him in particular? Just seems like some very odd paranoia this early in the game.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

I don't want to discourage your participation, but to answer your question: your D1 play merited no kill as you were illogically buddying and failed to participate in a threatening manner. Frankly, you appeared inept. Dr.6 on the other hand appeared fierce and intelligent. This should be basic/obvious.

Anyone else share this view or disagree?

I just responded to 9 separately, but this is very similar to how I'd view the situation.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

On the question of policy lynching, we have 48 hour days so there's some time, but I think we should not give AFK / lurking players a pass at all. Non-participators should be viewed just as suspiciously than participators.

[S-FM Grubby]

Please try to be less predictable, if you're out there, protectives, and this wasn't a chauffering.
What makes you feel that a chauffer is unlikely?

And I agree that 6 was not mafia. That is just too unlikely. Although I disagree with your policy lynch stance. I am not going to tear into host meta but in general I have not seen hosts on this site replace players for low contribution while they are still active.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

TYPO: Viewed just as suspiciously AS participators.

[S-FM Grubby]

On the question of policy lynching, we have 48 hour days so there's some time, but I think we should not give AFK / lurking players a pass at all. Non-participators should be viewed just as suspiciously than participators.

I should clarify that I agree with this. My above post was in response to an earlier post. what you said earlier.

[S-FM The War Doctor]

Greetings everyone.

I beg for your mercy regarding my lack of activity. Life hit like a truck at full speed. Now that I'm around, I'll be doing some reason.

[S-FM The War Doctor]

Greetings everyone.

I beg for your mercy regarding my lack of activity. Life hit like a truck at full speed. Now that I'm around, I'll be doing some reading.

It appears I'm a little drunk, ignore that detail.



Do anyone have a recap for me?

[S-FM Squiggly]

I expect more participation and opinions from everyone.

I am busy atm, just got finished reading up.
Will contribute shortly.

But I will add part of my feedback for discussion:

I was bussed.

[S-FM Buzzy]

What makes you feel that a chauffer is unlikely?

And I agree that 6 was not mafia. That is just too unlikely. Although I disagree with your policy lynch stance. I am not going to tear into host meta but in general I have not seen hosts on this site replace players for low contribution while they are still active.

Apologies if I was incoherent - I didn't mean to say Chauffer was unlikely - my point was merely IF ten's plan ISN'T correct, then we have to consider the risk mafia must have took, and the fuck-up hypothetical protectives must have made.

If we're going to go into Meta, then I want to counter by saying punishing low contribution rarely raises contribution. It merely allows for a bit of satisfying retribution. Low contributors have a reason for what they're doing. It may be that something in their personal life is distracting them, they don't care much about the game, or they have a strategic reason for their low contribution. Of these three possibilities, only one MIGHT invoke higher contribution, but only if they feel THEY WILL DEFINITELY BE LYNCHED OTHERWISE.

[S-FM Squiggly]

On the question of policy lynching, we have 48 hour days so there's some time, but I think we should not give AFK / lurking players a pass at all. Non-participators should be viewed just as suspiciously than participators.

Their is definitely room for a Policy Lynch, but the question is if anyone is actually deserving off one atm. Which I would say is nobody.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

It appears I'm a little drunk, ignore that detail.



Do anyone have a recap for me?

With all due respect War, there are only 8 pages of conversation in this game so far, with maybe 2-3 of them being Day 2. That isn't a huge investment of time to review, especially given other games can be anywhere from 20-30 pages on the first day. In those types of cases, I would be a little more sympathetic.

But anyway, since it's Day 2, I'll be nice: 6 was elected PM at the end of Day 1, but showed up dead after last night with a role of Executioner. Therefore, we need to elect a new PM today. We also should start diving into what happened to 6 and why. There are some theories so far about players having been driven or maybe a potential Tailor on 6, but no clear consensus has emerged yet.

We'd welcome your thoughts diving into this. Please don't leave the thread and lurk after making these posts -- that would be very anti-Town type of behavior.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Their is definitely room for a Policy Lynch, but the question is if anyone is actually deserving off one atm. Which I would say is nobody.

Yeah, let's see if anyone is making a point of not contributing or not posting (in which case, they may be ripe for a replacement). At some level, it's up to the players of the game to self-police this issue, as much as it may be a host issue as well.

[S-FM Buzzy]

It appears I'm a little drunk, ignore that detail.



Do anyone have a recap for me?

Main events of d1:

Six dominated day chat at first, raising mild suspicions against Ten, supposedly based on Ten's perceived indifference towards the game. 2 made some minor contributions and counter points to six. 8 largely backed six.
One made a small attempt at PM.
Four and Ten had a battle in chat, eventually it ended in peace.
Six won Prime Minister

Some other minor details worth noting: Nine claimed to be an important Town Power role and asked for a doctor. I made a few posts (that I won't really go into because that'd be horribly biased).

D2:

Six dead. Roleflip says he was executioner.
Four and Ten made contributions worth reading properly.

[S-FM The War Doctor]

I was bussed last night.

I was bussed.

Funny that my top scum suspect decides to hop on me. I woke up to check if i had any feedback and i wanted to be brief. I only said ''bussed'' so people would understand what i meant. I didn't even know that there was a mafia bus driver at that time.

Maybe Eleventh would like to elaborate his feedback.


Can't wait to hear what happened to everyone else last night! ^.^
I was left alone. Which I guess is a plus?


Hey everyone, I was so lucky tonight that I received no feedback at all!


I have none feedback to report.


No feedback


Nothing to report from my end last night :)


I received no feedback last night either. As a heads up, I'm walking through today's posts and responding to them in order.

These are the claims of no feedback, I'll include myself.

That makes the following list :

Bussed :

S-FM The Ninth Doctor
S-FM The Eleventh Doctor



No Feedback :

S-FM The First Doctor
S-FM The Second Doctor
S-FM The Fifth Doctor
S-FM The Seventh Doctor
S-FM The Eight Doctor
S-FM The War Doctor
S-FM The Tenth Doctor



Not sure :

S-FM The Third Doctor
S-FM The Fourth Doctor
S-FM The Twelfth Doctor

[S-FM Buzzy]

Maybe Eleventh would like to elaborate his feedback.













These are the claims of no feedback, I'll include myself.

That makes the following list :

Bussed :

S-FM The Ninth Doctor
S-FM The Eleventh Doctor



No Feedback :

S-FM The First Doctor
S-FM The Second Doctor
S-FM The Fifth Doctor
S-FM The Seventh Doctor
S-FM The Eight Doctor
S-FM The War Doctor
S-FM The Tenth Doctor



Not sure :

S-FM The Third Doctor
S-FM The Fourth Doctor
S-FM The Twelfth Doctor


Lovely list m8.

No feedback from me either.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

I am really angry about my feedback now. Ignore everything i said about the eleventh doc

[S-FM Squiggly]

I was also roleblocked, but I was waiting to see if someone to claim they had additional feedback.
So if me and Doctor 9 were bussed. They intended to block him.

Except...
Looking at the setup it is oddly worded in this:

3. Bus Driver>Chauffeur>Beguiler
4. Roleblocks (Can Roleblock Redirects Directly)

So I was intended target for roleblock?

Host:
If X and Y are bussed, and X was targeted by roleblock, would they be roleblocked? or Y?

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

So if me and Doctor 9 were bussed. They intended to block him.






THEY intended to roleblock me? Please explain yourself

[S-FM Buzzy]

Well then, someone's gotta liven this party up. I wanna be Prime Minister. I think I'm the best for the job (right now) as I'm good enough to be a useful, reasonable Prime Minister, but I'm not so good that I'll attract a massive target to my face like the last guy. I'll also likely be only reasonably popular - a happy balance, because if I was too unpopular I'd be shit, and if I was too popular I'd be too powerful and could pull the town down (if I was evil). There's my second plead for Prime Minister.

Also, I want 4 to cough up. I'm probably just retarded, but it makes no sense to me to make all these obscure allusions to being a Town Power (presumably investigative) with crucial information (who could greatly help the town) but not share any of it!

He's said several times "if I die tonight my lw will shed light on LOADS of info! I'm important!"
"I'm shocked mafia hasn't attacked me despite my crucial role and info I'm gonna get soon!"

Rather than beating around the bush, if mafia's gonna kill you anyway and haven't because of "hubris", why don't you just share your intel? Have you got some kind of masterplan with this intel that somehow stops you from sharing it right now? It just feels like a very scummy thing to dangle this info in our face (making yourself a target for the mafia anyway) without actually sharing the info. Are you waiting until the mafia gets stronger and the town gets desperate so they have to blindly follow your info claims?

I'm also curious about these "privy sources" that told you there's a tailor (4 said this d1). No privy source other than cheating could tell you there's a tailor d1, from what I see. Either:

1) You've made a decent guess that there's a tailor, based off of all the possible mafia roles.
2) You are mafia and thus know there's a tailor.
3) You were bullshitting in the spur of the moment to test ten's reaction.

And that's the other thing. You seem to be doing a lot of bullshitting to test us and control us. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. S-FM The Fourth Doctor

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

I never liked Fourth anyway, so I'll might agree with Twelfth. I hope all those claims can wrap up today's events.

S-FM The Fourth Doctor

Sorry Fourth. You gave me a bad impression right from the beginning.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

No one thinks it's scummy that the eleventh doctor claims that a consort tried to roleblock me?

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

s-fm the eleventh doctor

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Im willing to vote #4 too but i can't ignore the slip that #11 made.

He claims that ''They'' tried to roleblock me. Meaning that it has to be mafia.


How could he possibly know that the roleblocker is mafia unless he is mafia himself?

[S-FM The War Doctor]

Im willing to vote #4 too but i can't ignore the slip that #11 made.

He claims that ''They'' tried to roleblock me. Meaning that it has to be mafia.


How could he possibly know that the roleblocker is mafia unless he is mafia himself?

This is a good point that I'll sheep with.

s-fm the eleventh doctor

Fourth can wait later until after appropriate pressure.

[S-FM Buzzy]

This is a good point that I'll sheep with.

s-fm the eleventh doctor

Fourth can wait later until after appropriate pressure.

Nah he probably assumed it was a consort given how nine is so obviously town. Why would an escort ever try to rb someone who is so obviously town?

Besides, he just said "they". He didn't necessarily claim it was a consort. You're looking way too deeply into this. He could literally come back and say "ohlol I was being gender neutral soz for confusion". Let's go for 4 who has actually got solid suspicions built on him.

[S-FM Grubby]

I like the double trains. I am going to stay quiet for a bit. Watch and wank.

[S-FM The War Doctor]

Fair enough.

But as pointed out, it's a double train so it could contribute to a lot of discussion.

[S-FM Buzzy]

Fair enough.

But as pointed out, it's a double train so it could contribute to a lot of discussion.

Alright then. Let's discuss. What makes that train better than mine?

[S-FM Grubby]

It may be productive to look at why 11 would think 9 is town (To assume he was targeted by consort vs escort) and what alignment would have more reason to target 9 for a role block based on D1 chat

[S-FM Buzzy]

It may be productive to look at why 11 would think 9 is town (To assume he was targeted by consort vs escort) and what alignment would have more reason to target 9 for a role block based on D1 chat

9 claimed a power role and asked for a doctor d1. It's highly probable a consort would rb that, or an escort thinking it's a false claim would rb that.

Either way, 11 has not even claimed it was consort OR escort, we're all taking what he said wildly out of proportion!

[S-FM The First Doctor]

So its already been established that both 9 and 11 claim being driven, which throws out 9's theory of him being swapped with 6 (PM), but I think it was always safe to assume that a potential bus driver wouldn't be moving the PM on N1 when there are likely protectives on him, as that would've left him vulnerable.


Also if it is a chauffeur it would be a strong move to bus their own player with the kill target. This would protect him from an alignment check, prevent a doc/lookout from interfering with the kill, and semi town confirm one of their members.

I too agree that this would have made the most sense before the new information regarding 11's driven claim, however Im now leaning back towards a Bus Driver. The seemingly arbitrary moving of those 2 players last night didnt seem calculated, as such I dont see it as a chauffeur move.

In regards to the PM flipping Exec, im unconvinced this was his real identity. Whilst its not a strong argument, mine is that with all players alive, and discounting the mafia from targetting themselves, flipping a neut n1 was statistically the least probable event. Now you may argue that the PM was likely a neut who used his double votes to get into power, which is still very plausible, but I could see 6 having got enough legitimate votes as a town player. I personally did not vote for 6. At this stage of the game, I am going to be operating under the assumption we have a tailor.

In regards to 6 dying in general, this was honestly quite the suprise. Evidently there were no protectives on him to do anything actionable, but im holding out that there was a lookout on him at the very least, and im hoping theyre playing subtly to drive votes towards the killer, rather than aggressively revealing their role.

The attack on 6 was indeed risky and I agree with the earlier comment about the mafia testing the water on their capabilities. I think at this stage, revealing you were roleblocked is a bad move, as noted earlier it doesnt allow players to confirm themselves as a roleblocking player, but it might also indicate that you are a town protective, and by being disabled, you may have been the cause of the PM's death.

In regards to my PM status, I will continue to accept votes. My current standing is that there are no town confirmed players as of yet, and as such I can only trust myself. So I will remain a contender until such time that we have a reputable townie for mayor.

[S-FM Buzzy]

So its already been established that both 9 and 11 claim being driven, which throws out 9's theory of him being swapped with 6 (PM), but I think it was always safe to assume that a potential bus driver wouldn't be moving the PM on N1 when there are likely protectives on him, as that would've left him vulnerable.



I too agree that this would have made the most sense before the new information regarding 11's driven claim, however Im now leaning back towards a Bus Driver. The seemingly arbitrary moving of those 2 players last night didnt seem calculated, as such I dont see it as a chauffeur move.

In regards to the PM flipping Exec, im unconvinced this was his real identity. Whilst its not a strong argument, mine is that with all players alive, and discounting the mafia from targetting themselves, flipping a neut n1 was statistically the least probable event. Now you may argue that the PM was likely a neut who used his double votes to get into power, which is still very plausible, but I could see 6 having got enough legitimate votes as a town player. I personally did not vote for 6. At this stage of the game, I am going to be operating under the assumption we have a tailor.

In regards to 6 dying in general, this was honestly quite the suprise. Evidently there were no protectives on him to do anything actionable, but im holding out that there was a lookout on him at the very least, and im hoping theyre playing subtly to drive votes towards the killer, rather than aggressively revealing their role.

The attack on 6 was indeed risky and I agree with the earlier comment about the mafia testing the water on their capabilities. I think at this stage, revealing you were roleblocked is a bad move, as noted earlier it doesnt allow players to confirm themselves as a roleblocking player, but it might also indicate that you are a town protective, and by being disabled, you may have been the cause of the PM's death.

In regards to my PM status, I will continue to accept votes. My current standing is that there are no town confirmed players as of yet, and as such I can only trust myself. So I will remain a contender until such time that we have a reputable townie for mayor.

Thankyou for your contribution.

[Rassilon]

If X and Y are bussed, and X was targeted by roleblock, would they be roleblocked? or Y?
Y


Can a Tailor alter/remove a players last will?


No.

What alliance and or role killed Dr. 6?

Kills are kills. There is no difference.

[S-FM The Second Doctor]

It appears 12 is willfully ignoring the WIFOM that 4 has built around himself.


I never liked Fourth anyway, so I'll might agree with Twelfth. I hope all those claims can wrap up today's events.

S-FM The Fourth Doctor

Sorry Fourth. You gave me a bad impression right from the beginning.
You sheep with 12 against 4 almost immediately after 12 accuses 4 of controlling the town. Your automatic buddying is noted.

9 and war side against 11. War sheeps.


Nah he probably assumed it was a consort given how nine is so obviously town. Why would an escort ever try to rb someone who is so obviously town?

Besides, he just said "they". He didn't necessarily claim it was a consort. You're looking way too deeply into this. He could literally come back and say "ohlol I was being gender neutral soz for confusion". Let's go for 4 who has actually got solid suspicions built on him.

12 comes to the defense with 11.

I note a relation between 7 with 12, 12 with 4 and War with 9. (Obviously this is obvious, but it needed to be recorded).

It might be that 7 is just new, but I don't think the sheeping then leaving is something that should be ignored.

I doubt the tailor strategy for now. It's possible, but why would the mafia waste tailoring on someone who is active due to the risk of a LW? It would make sense to attack someone who was not as active and use the Tailor to confuse us. Hitting the PM to tailor would be very bad. Especially if there was a lookout or a protective on the PM.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

Hi. Reading up.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

I'm going to assume its okay to tell you I'm a replacement

This is also my first game so be patient with me as I try to catch up on everything.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

This is an interesting one to me overall. Attacking the just-elected Prime Minster seems extremely reckless to me -- perhaps the Mafia isn't playing close attention to the game? If a protective guards the PM last night, the Mafia is in a pretty quick hole and at least we have the opportunity to hear if 6 has anything to say.

On the other hand, maybe the Mafia figured the protectives would go for other targets and therefore took a huge risk in attacking 6? I could see this being a decent theory as well, especially if they're shooting to get one of their own elected today and wanted to get rid of the incumbent PM.

In either case, I am working under the assumption that 6 was not Mafia given the single kill. While this is not 100% confirmed, it would require some insane combination of targeting such as a Tailor targeting a Mafia member who walked into a Veteran. This just doesn't seem plausible to me.

Wouldnt they want to kill any non-mafia ministers? Just thinking out loud here.

I'd think that if the minister was mafia they'd survive the night after election.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

How do we know if we got any feedback?

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

Also how do you change this picture

I don't like it

Looks ugly

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

Okay I made it! Hi

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

lol why is my avatar a sideways bowl of ramen

[S-FM The Second Doctor]

Okay, since apparently no one is online when I am available, I'll just analyze everyone's posts.



5 Posts.

(3 Posts) During Day One - He just spent his entire time campaigning to become PM.

(2 Posts) During Day Two - No reported feedback and one post discussing his thoughts on the night results. It is recreated here:


So its already been established that both 9 and 11 claim being driven, which throws out 9's theory of him being swapped with 6 (PM), but I think it was always safe to assume that a potential bus driver wouldn't be moving the PM on N1 when there are likely protectives on him, as that would've left him vulnerable. (1)

I too agree that this would have made the most sense before the new information regarding 11's driven claim, however Im now leaning back towards a Bus Driver. The seemingly arbitrary moving of those 2 players last night didnt seem calculated, as such I dont see it as a chauffeur move. (2)

In regards to the PM flipping Exec, im unconvinced this was his real identity. Whilst its not a strong argument, mine is that with all players alive, and discounting the mafia from targetting themselves, flipping a neut n1 was statistically the least probable event. Now you may argue that the PM was likely a neut who used his double votes to get into power, which is still very plausible, but I could see 6 having got enough legitimate votes as a town player. I personally did not vote for 6. At this stage of the game, I am going to be operating under the assumption we have a tailor. (3)

In regards to 6 dying in general, this was honestly quite the suprise. Evidently there were no protectives on him to do anything actionable, but im holding out that there was a lookout on him at the very least, and im hoping theyre playing subtly to drive votes towards the killer, rather than aggressively revealing their role. (4)

The attack on 6 was indeed risky and I agree with the earlier comment about the mafia testing the water on their capabilities. I think at this stage, revealing you were roleblocked is a bad move, as noted earlier it doesnt allow players to confirm themselves as a roleblocking player, but it might also indicate that you are a town protective, and by being disabled, you may have been the cause of the PM's death. (5)

In regards to my PM status, I will continue to accept votes. My current standing is that there are no town confirmed players as of yet, and as such I can only trust myself. So I will remain a contender until such time that we have a reputable townie for mayor.

1. The first sentence just recaps prior knowledge.
2. Agreed. At this point I lean more towards a Bus Driver.
3. I disagree. As I previously stated, a tailor is very unlikely. Why would you risk two mafia members on someone who was likely to be healed or watched? And why would you tailor an active player with last will enabled?
4. So do I, but I think the shooting of the PM shows either a very new Mafia team or a very experienced Mafia team.
5. Also that you (not First Doctor!) are a town protective!

Overall the play of the First Doctor is fairly reserved. One one post requires analysis and it's fairly difficult to pull anything except analytic comments out of it. If I was forced to put him in a spot, I would place him as a Town. Too early to say for sure though.



That's me!

I have claimed I have has no night results.
I go to school, following CDT.
I do not think we have a tailor (see S-FM First Doctor spoiler tag for reasoning).



2 Posts Day One. Probably replaced by now. Considering we have yet to hear from his replacement, will likely be modkilled. Lurker.
Troll Player:
Day One Posts:

Okay i made it! Hi

lol why is my avatar Linonel from the thudnercats

Day Two Posts:

Okay I made it! Hi

lol why is my avatar a sideways bowl of ramen

Fuck.



Finally the fun stuff!
8 Posts Day One, 12 Day Two.

Day One
First few posts are trolly type posts. Obviously a reaction test to see how he reacts with the Tenth Doctor. He then goes all out on the tenth doctor, analyzing every post. The competency of 4 is shown in this post:

D1 troll.

D1 RVS (random voting system- it's a term used to describe a popular noob/scum strategy)

You start out encouraging a killer heavy setup to use their night kills... You're also creating a neutral hunt when that's not MY objective.

You then say today is mostly useless. Again, this is a scum/noob RVS Day 1 mentality. Look it up. You think we can't figure out connections today? You think I couldn't immediately see through your fake town posts? Lols. You're a horrible fake town leader suggesting we don't even use today.

You finish up with restating the premise of the setup... As though it's something new or useful. Lol..

It's actually your questions to the host at the end that gave you away.

You see, I have privy information suggesting you know there to be a tailor. In fact you are attempting to maximize confusion and increase doubt. The truth is I'm the only person in this setup that can figure out this confusion.

Troll, continues RVS.

Troll.

Dangerous horrible anti-town idea to limit discussion and continue to write off D1. Bear in mind, this is asked on the fucking first page of the game.

You continue to push RVS Day1. If at this point you haven't googled mafia debate RVS -
The only benefit to write off day 1 is for scum to not slip, especially under pressure. Which you've done immediately after I posted a lynch vote on you. Scum write from an informed opinion (they can't help it). Town write from an uninformed opinion. By having no opinion D1, you insulate yourself and your scum teammates.

You come off aggressive and engaging from this post. You got a power role and feel safe to act like a shark. Problem is you're spotted.

Do you understand what a gambit is? This wasn't a gambit. I was prodding you from an easily defamed character to see how you'd react. You reacted violently, emotionally, and even asked for me to be shot after I created a dumbass persona and asked to "lynch" you on a non- lynch day... This is a classic scum reaction. Google "OMGUS" - you just pulled a textbook "Oh My God You Suck"- because... Scum.

I had this passing similar thought. I somehow feel like you're actually bussing six.

Clearly you're not dumb, or at least you seem eager to learn, so here's a tip. When you're scum, as you are now, don't OMGUS so hard and couple it with horrible anti-town strategy.

Again, this is a massively KPN heavy game. You want to see town set itself on fire? You want a big to waste his shot instead of saving it for a REAL issue, like a scum PM for example? "Oh yeah that'd be more useful, durr."

Your OMGUS knows no bounds. Again, I revealed that I was using a dumbass persona- a prod from a dumbass persona freaked you out. When I revealed a bit more, I maintained a more aggressive stance to see if you'd pay it any attention. This set you on FIRE, even though it was mostly baseless (although true).

I bet you wish you could have skipped this day as it's revealed a lot about you.

1. You're emotional
2. You're hyper reactive to the smallest of prods
3. You act very aggressively
4. Your plans are anti-town (skip day, waste big shot, vote 'most entertaining player', contribute to D1 shot posting to disincentivize Town conversation.

I can easily conclude you're mafia. I can easily conclude Mafia has a tailor. I can easily say there's no way town is giving you mayor.

Again, next time you're scum, try not to be so reactive and emotional. It's the most classic of tells.

I agree. However your method of choosing is practically baseless.

I've noticed some vs. interactions today. Don't feel as though you need to choose between 2 players butting heads. It can always be safe bussing today for scum buddies pretending to both be good options. I'd recommend someone rather unopinionated.

If it's not obvious what role I am, let me make this clear. DO NOT vote me mayor.

You're hyper aggressively pursuing this OMGUS and you don't even realize you're only digging your grave deeper. You realize you're aggressively pursuing a couple baseless dumb-ass posts against you? Your reaction was SOOoO worth it. Again, it reveled a LOT about your role, your alliance, and your scum team.

Not a lot really here though, because I still take this as a reaction test against 10. While I'm sure its my own retardation, I see the statement "If it's not obvious what role I am, let me make this clear. DO NOT vote me mayor" as the key takeaway from this post as it starts building WIFOM. He concludes his reaction test and has a solid WIFOM shield going into Night One.

Day Two


[A lot of opening stuff cut out]

Take-away Thoughts:
*Why was Dr.Six killed?
*Do you honestly believe Dr.Six was neutral executioner?
*What are your thoughts on Dr.10?
*Do not vote me for PM, let's discuss who to vote next.
1. Because he was the PM. I think the Mafia is either very new or very experienced. They gambled and won.
2. Yes, I do. There is no way they would waste a tailor charge on the PM since the PM would have left a Last Will. He didn't, but that's irrelevant because they didn't know that he wouldn't. The Mafia would have attacked an inactive like 3 and tailor him if that were the case.
3. See post about 10.
4. More WIFOM.


I don't like your "bussed" comment. It appears as though you're certain it was a bus driver, not a chauffeur. This appears to be an informed post.

That kind of informed post was an attempt at freebie Town points- when in reality withholding such information for later confirmation is usually more valuable.

I'm inclined to believe you're mafia and Bus Driver is Town.

S-FM The Ninth Doctor

Let's hear some reasons.

I have more reasons I really don't like you. I'll start with this.

These "slips" are rarely actually Mafia slips. Bussing is the common term and you know that. Don't bust others balls. (That entire post is likely reactionary and to get the discussion rolling, so I understand but still)


So... wait wait.

You actually believe you were swapped with the PM elect, and the mafia chose to attack you.
What part of D1 did your posts merit aggro? This is rather non-sensical logic.

Second, after presenting the now almost confirmed Bus Driver no way to confirm himself- since you expect the second person who was bussed to volunteer themselves. Otherwise you assume you were swapped with PM.

Well, what isn't full-proof about this.
I'm assuming mafia killed the PM.
Mafia would be aware of whether their target died, therefore implying or disproving whether PM was bussed.
You're questioning nature and idiotic assumption that you were bussed with PM actually makes you appear less Mafia.
However it does reveal your insight is limited and your strategies won't be optimal.

[Unvote Tag]

Sadness.

Agreed. While I can see how that claim could be reached, that should not have been the first thing he though about to explain why he wasn't the only bus claim.


.
Takeaways:
*S-FM The Ninth Doctor appears Town, however I will not trust her strategies, logic, trains without proof claims. I will believe her claims.
*Bus Driver must be Town.

Yes. Bus Driver is town. Agreed.


I don't want to discourage your participation, but to answer your question: your D1 play merited no kill as you were illogically buddying and failed to participate in a threatening manner. Frankly, you appeared inept. Dr.6 on the other hand appeared fierce and intelligent. This should be basic/obvious.

Anyone else share this view or disagree?
To a certain extent.

Very heavy play style from 4.


The premise of one of my arguments against Six was that:

Claiming driven is ok from one of the driven.

If both participants claim driven, it doesn't allow for the bus driver/chauffeur to claim and be verified at a later stage.

Can you see why expecting all participants to claim suddenly is a flawed strategy unless a claim called for it?

This allows for the basis of not only confirmations, but traps.

If a scum claims he receives negative feedback on a player who was bussed with a previously confirmed Town member, this is just one example to benefit the hidden nature of claims.

I highly suggest the second participant not reveal.

I understand the powerful argument for chauffeur. At the moment I'm going to have to insist that the Bus Driver is Town, not Mafia. Please give me until tomorrow to explain. Otherwise my last will can explain a lot if I don't survive tonight.

Literally anyone who has read my posts knows my role. I am likely a prime target, unless Mafia believes I can be painted as a day lynch for employing a lynch bait strategy yesterday.

As promised, I'm going to punish mafia for this hubris of letting me live.

Bah, more WIFOM. Your play style is largely based around not dying. Agreed on the Bus Driver. Not to tear down your WIFOM, but you don't need to be important to figure that out.


This game is slowly drifting, drifting away. Wave after wave, wave after wave. Slowly drifting into lurkfest. There is actually little to no point in lurking this game.

As Town we have to establish order and lynch. This is our primary tool considering SuperJack isn't posting which alliance killed six, and presumably all future death descriptions. As a town heavy killing setup, this is horrendous and I'm saddened of the lack of a last will.

I encourage citizens to be very vocal. Policy lynching may have to occur today and going forward.

I've proposed the following questions we should pursue. Please do your best to make an effort at minimum answering to contribute.

I've already claimed a critical town role (soft).
I've already asserted that the bus driver is Town. (I am not soft claiming)
I've already asserted 9 is either Town or fishing mafia based in his insistence he was bussed with Dr.Six. I'm teetering on this one.
I've made it known that I believe six was tailored and not bussed.
I've explained and urged the importance the real second busses to not claim until a critical point occurs where such a confirmation is necessary.

Final note:
LEAVE LAST WILLS
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS IF YOU'RE UNCERTAIN HOW TO CONTRIBUTE.

Policy lynching will suck. I recommend holding off for a day or so. Also, here is my responses to your points.

1. Maybe. Still taking it as WIFOM.
2. Hi BD
3. 9 analysis below
4. I completely disagree. See S-FM The First Doctor spoiler tag for my reasoning.
5. Too late....


@10
I agree that chauffeur by all means makes the most amount of logical sense at this point. I disagree that it's reality from a more informed perspective, but I appreciate your honest take of the situation.

S-FM The Third Doctor

Policy lynch.

Pressure to contribute.

I refuse to believe that you are so blatantly claiming either invest role or BD, so I'll chalk it up to more WIFOM.


How do you feel about announcing our votes for PM?
Yes.


I'm getting a Town read from 4, but not one without a large asterisk. It appears that 4 rather brilliantly steered conversation and night actions away from him with WIFOM and aggressive play. Recommend we keep an eye on 4.



Even his replacement hasn't posted anything really good yet. Post!



Dead. I believe at this point that he was the executioner and his target was 10.



6 Posts Day One, 5 Posts Day Two

Distances himself from both 4 and 10 during day one. But no meaningful posts.

Well, if you really want to vote someone, here is one good advice.

Keep your vote to yourself. You should not reveal your intentions to vote a certain person, and you shouldn't pick your vote based on what others tell you. Personal judgement is the best.
He doesn't want the town to discuss who would be a good candidate however.

Day Two


Well, one thing is true: Night claimed himlsef to be bussed with someone else. Unless anyone says otherwise, we should conclude that either he was switched with Sixth, or is simply lying about being bussed.

As 4 pointed out, this is bad. He wouldn't even wait for someone else to claim being bussed before trying to push that the PM was bussed. How could 9 ever know who he was bussed with? So why support that hypothesis as anything more than speculation.


I never liked Fourth anyway, so I'll might agree with Twelfth. I hope all those claims can wrap up today's events.

S-FM The Fourth Doctor

Sorry Fourth. You gave me a bad impression right from the beginning.
You only sheeped 4 because of the pressure.

Not looking good for 7 in my mind. I am not leaning town.



4 posts Day One. 11 Posts Day Two

Day One is not important.

Day Two

I'm not comfortable jumping to this conclusion given the possibility of a Tailor. If the Mafia has a Tailor, then they would start using its three charges as soon as possible in order to muddle the graveyard and throw off our information. Also, the role that would make sense to fake the most would be a Neutral in terms of throwing our collective guard off for a potential Executioner or Jester. I think we should keep our guard up on the possibility of a Neutral still lurking around in the background. Maybe less than 50% now for sure (if the Mafia doesn't have a Tailor), but certainly not 0%.
Tailor threat is overblown. See reasoning above.

The rest of his posts just rehash points made by 4 and complain about activity level with 10. This strikes me as trying to hide or not be noticed. He is active enough not to be suspicious but doesn't put any new ideas forward and therefore is not lilkey to be looked at. Not leaning town at this point, but we'll see.



4 posts Day 1, 5 posts Day 2

Day One a waste.

Day Two

Greetings everyone.

I beg for your mercy regarding my lack of activity. Life hit like a truck at full speed. Now that I'm around, I'll be doing some reason.

kk We Understand!

...

This is a good point that I'll sheep with.

s-fm the eleventh doctor

Fourth can wait later until after appropriate pressure.
That's all. That's all you shared?

THAT IS NOT ENOUGH YOU LURKING BASTARD! Inactive.



6 Posts Day One, 11 Posts Day Two

Day One posts are trash and are not worth looking at.

Day Two

Im voting eleven to be prime minister for reasons you cannot possibly understand.
Ha. I find it funny you vote 11 before he reveals himself as the other bussed target by claiming you know secret information.


Funny that my top scum suspect decides to hop on me. I woke up to check if i had any feedback and i wanted to be brief. I only said ''bussed'' so people would understand what i meant. I didn't even know that there was a mafia bus driver at that time.
Read the setup then. But Agreed with reservations, attacking on the word "bussed" is BS.


as far as i know i was swapped with the prime minister unless someone claims otherwise.
These logic jumps are dangerous. At best it is a hypothesis. (Until 11 claimed of course)


What makes you so certain that the mafia wouldn't attack me?

The only way you could know for sure is if you participated in their chat.
Deflecting pressure by the outrageous claim only makes me doubt that you are town.


I am really angry about my feedback now. Ignore everything i said about the eleventh doc
You are hiding something. Reveal it.


Im willing to vote #4 too but i can't ignore the slip that #11 made.

He claims that ''They'' tried to roleblock me. Meaning that it has to be mafia.


How could he possibly know that the roleblocker is mafia unless he is mafia himself?
I don't trust this reasoning since it's basically the same reasoning used against 11.

I'm pressure voting 9.

S-FM The Ninth Doctor
Reveal your hidden information.


17 posts Day One, 13 posts Day Two

The exchange between 4 and 10 is basically the two most active players determining how the other will react and play. I hold no stock into anything else said during Day One.

Day Two

S-FM The Second Doctor
T.T

Of 13 posts, One votes me, 2 are for voting 3, 1 reports no feedback, two are about chauffeur versus BD (Which I think is incorrect for previously stated reasons), 1 agrees with Policy lynch, 1 about LW (which should be obvious but obviously wasn't), 1 more discussion about chauffeurs, 1 about a question posed, and 1 about the double lynch train. (and 3 I apparently missed but don't think are important)


It may be productive to look at why 11 would think 9 is town (To assume he was targeted by consort vs escort) and what alignment would have more reason to target 9 for a role block based on D1 chat
I think looking at 9's D1 posting does not make him a high value block target. I'm surprised that he was blocked and therefore would assume an escort did it. 11 might also be hiding information though.

10 has calmed down so far during Day Two. I have him pegged as town though because of his rationalism and attempts to keep a conversation going.



7 posts Day One, 5 Posts Day Two

Only noteworthy thing Day One is that he pushed against 4, but during Day Two he states it was to give 4 even MORE WIFOM. Only other post of note is the "They" post:

I was also roleblocked, but I was waiting to see if someone to claim they had additional feedback.
So if me and Doctor 9 were bussed. They intended to block him.

Except...
Looking at the setup it is oddly worded in this:


So I was intended target for roleblock?

Host:
If X and Y are bussed, and X was targeted by roleblock, would they be roleblocked? or Y?

I don't put a lot of stock in attacking people for things like that. Without either an Escort or Consort confirmed, this to me is innocent. (Although you can read it as I'm playing it off cause I want to protect 11. But now I mentioned it! Oh no now how do I really feel??? hahaha)

11 needs to interact more before I label him a town or not.



9 Posts Day One, 10 Posts Day Two

While I think 12 holds a defeatist attitude Day One, nothing of note really happens.

Day Two

(addressed mainly towards The Fourth Doctor)

It appears you have deduced Six's innocence, and then grew a logic tree from there, unwilling to snap the logic tree unless the evidence is overwhelming that the underlying assumptions are wrong. Don't get me wrong, that's a very reasonable and understandable approach to this game.

However, The idea that Mafia deduced who executioner is d1 (or simply randomly tailored and hoped for the best), and then attacked six with the master plan of making the neutral appear to be dead seems incredibly unlikely. Assuming there's a tailor is a leap in and of itself, (particularly as it seems to be an assumption made when you thought ten was an evil hinting there was a tailor in the first page) to then assume this master plan feels ridiculous, honestly. Unless I'm missing something.

It's highly possible 6 was just garnering some support on d1 and biding his time before he went for the kill as executioner. And 6's win feels far more understandable if he self-voted himself into power.

Also, policy lynching feels silly too. We know the inactives are going to get replaced with more active players. Our efforts would be far better concentrated on pressure lynching, and perhaps getting some of the more active players in this game to reveal a few more cards in their hand.

The other thing I've been thinking about is the mafia's unexpected, ballsy attack on 6. If 10's Chauffeur theory isn't correct, it's very possible this first nightkill was to test the waters when it comes to the protectives. If there really is a protective, they're playing pretty risky and WIFOMy to not simply protect their own fucking president (unless they were one of the inactives who got replaced xD). The mafia have learnt about the nature of the protectives they're dealing with. This is bad news bears.

Please try to be less predictable, if you're out there, protectives, and this wasn't a chauffering.
A good set of logic that actually counters 4.

Wants to be PM!


Well then, someone's gotta liven this party up. I wanna be Prime Minister. I think I'm the best for the job (right now) as I'm good enough to be a useful, reasonable Prime Minister, but I'm not so good that I'll attract a massive target to my face like the last guy. I'll also likely be only reasonably popular - a happy balance, because if I was too unpopular I'd be shit, and if I was too popular I'd be too powerful and could pull the town down (if I was evil). There's my second plead for Prime Minister.

Also, I want 4 to cough up. I'm probably just retarded, but it makes no sense to me to make all these obscure allusions to being a Town Power (presumably investigative) with crucial information (who could greatly help the town) but not share any of it!

He's said several times "if I die tonight my lw will shed light on LOADS of info! I'm important!"
"I'm shocked mafia hasn't attacked me despite my crucial role and info I'm gonna get soon!"

Rather than beating around the bush, if mafia's gonna kill you anyway and haven't because of "hubris", why don't you just share your intel? Have you got some kind of masterplan with this intel that somehow stops you from sharing it right now? It just feels like a very scummy thing to dangle this info in our face (making yourself a target for the mafia anyway) without actually sharing the info. Are you waiting until the mafia gets stronger and the town gets desperate so they have to blindly follow your info claims?

I'm also curious about these "privy sources" that told you there's a tailor (4 said this d1). No privy source other than cheating could tell you there's a tailor d1, from what I see. Either:

1) You've made a decent guess that there's a tailor, based off of all the possible mafia roles.
2) You are mafia and thus know there's a tailor.
3) You were bullshitting in the spur of the moment to test ten's reaction.

And that's the other thing. You seem to be doing a lot of bullshitting to test us and control us. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. S-FM The Fourth Doctor
hahahahahahahah I like this post, even if I don't agree with the conclusion. I disagree because I write off 4's large claims as WIFOM that doesn't actually say anything. I understand voting for him though.

Note that 7 sheeps with this post.


9 claimed a power role and asked for a doctor d1. It's highly probable a consort would rb that, or an escort thinking it's a false claim would rb that.

Either way, 11 has not even claimed it was consort OR escort, we're all taking what he said wildly out of proportion!
Heavy defense of 11, but I agree.

I read 12 as a towny with a little too much tunnel vision. I don't buy his case against 4 enough to vote. He is right that the WIFOM is getting out of hand.



omg why did I do this to myself..

[S-FM The Second Doctor]

That list is not as impressive as it looks, but I hope that excuses me from being available only at limited times.

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

Hey guys. So my first 2 posts were a joke while I went through the day. Second I enjoy your commentary.

I've made these conclusions about the day so far

One
Two
Me - best PM option, tbh
Five
Eight
War
Ten
Eleven
Twelve

Four
Seven
Nine

Six

This is the current view of things: I feel very strongly that Six was in fact the Executioner. I find Four's commitment to thoughts otherwise in post 116 to be indicative of someone hellbent on convincing us that the graveyard is not a useful tool. Our host is no fool, and a role that changes the role without changing/deleting the last will simply won't come into this game.

Nine then does his subtle OMGUS to people questioning him. He is off base and uncomfortable. Seems sketchy and non-town.

Seven then manages to get through the earlier parts of the day without Four paying him ANY mind, even though Ten and Four were around and being productive. I find this interaction between 4 and 7 to be odd and worth consideration.

Vote Three for Prime Minister!

S-FM The Fourth Doctor for death

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

I feel strongly that 4our is not a good guy. I feel Se7en is a badguy by association. And I feel that N9ne is also bad for reasons within himself.

1ne, 2econd, and 10n are my strongest Town reads so far.

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

Also, yes I am a replacement for the fuck face in day one and I also had none feedback

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

Btw. 2econd, if at some point in this game you don't quote someone in agreement with just the word 'second'. I'm going to be very disappointed in you.

[S-FM Squiggly]

Okay I am back for a bit.

To answer some questions: I was using gender neutral identifier when I said "they". I do tend to think it was a consort though over a escort, but I am not ready to rule out a escort was the one who intended to block 9. 9 is pretty good townread for me atm, so theres that.

Now I would like to ask some questions:
@#3 Why are you so convinced #4 is scum based on the graveyard speculation?
Why are you reading #9 as scum? That is one of my strongest town reads.

@#2 Love the catch up!
Are you considering activity alignment indicators? I ask this cause you mention number of posts in each analysis of players.

Also I notice you don't call anyone really town or scum in posts, you mention #4 as only town read and even him you have high suspicions on. Seems odd.

[S-FM Squiggly]

Wouldnt they want to kill any non-mafia ministers? Just thinking out loud here.

I'd think that if the minister was mafia they'd survive the night after election.

This is too simplistic, if mafia were to kill all non mafia prime ministers than not kill next prime minister, it would tell us basically that prime minister was mafia.

However, it is also plausible mafia uses that to frame a prime minister as mafia.
It could be a WIFOM bomb.

I doubt whoever is new prime minister will be attacked tonight. I think everyone should at least confirmed they voted for prime minister before we end day in a lynch though. I know I didn't get my vote off last time, so I want everyone have time to do so.

[S-FM Squiggly]

Right now, best place for my vote is on #7, this guy looks really scummy.

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

@#3 Why are you so convinced #4 is scum based on the graveyard speculation?
Why are you reading #9 as scum? That is one of my strongest town reads.

Knowing 4s player and style they are assertive scum and hardpush misinformation. More time needs to be put into it but being read from the narrative of a Mafia without a strong deceptive role he could be using activity and theory to make us doubt a much more simple game. That is where I am at at the moment.

9: I find his action speculation to be something scum are common to do, and given that I believe I already know the Escort I trust that person's judgement so far. He is my weakest scum read of the 3 though. And actually my read on 7, based on scum interaction with 4, contradicts my theory on 9 as he and 4 had words already.

It's like
4- 95% sure
7- 55% sure
9- 15% sure

jsyk

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

Right now, best place for my vote is on #7, this guy looks really scummy.

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

I support this train but will be leaving my vote on 4 for now.

[S-FM The First Doctor]

So far 4 has the most votes, (3([L-4]), im not convinced to drop my vote on him (or anyone as of today), but if we as a general consensus want him taken out, il be around for the next 7 hours, so I will hammer if convinced.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

s-fm the fourth doctor

I guess i can accept that defence from #11

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

Reading.

Uncertain of votes on me for having opinions and creating day conversations... Let's see the spread.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

I am busy atm, just got finished reading up.
Will contribute shortly.

But I will add part of my feedback for discussion:

I was bussed.

Interesting feedback, although I'm not surprised this can of worms is opened. See what I mean:


Maybe Eleventh would like to elaborate his feedback.

These are the claims of no feedback, I'll include myself.

That makes the following list :

Bussed :

S-FM The Fourth Doctor
S-FM The Ninth Doctor
S-FM The Eleventh Doctor



No Feedback :

S-FM The First Doctor
S-FM The Second Doctor
S-FM The Fifth Doctor
S-FM The Seventh Doctor
S-FM The Eight Doctor
S-FM The War Doctor
S-FM The Tenth Doctor



Not sure :

S-FM The Third Doctor
S-FM The Twelfth Doctor



Well then, someone's gotta liven this party up. I wanna be Prime Minister. I think I'm the best for the job (right now) as I'm good enough to be a useful, reasonable Prime Minister, but I'm not so good that I'll attract a massive target to my face like the last guy. I'll also likely be only reasonably popular - a happy balance, because if I was too unpopular I'd be shit, and if I was too popular I'd be too powerful and could pull the town down (if I was evil). There's my second plead for Prime Minister.

Also, I want 4 to cough up. I'm probably just retarded, but it makes no sense to me to make all these obscure allusions to being a Town Power (presumably investigative) with crucial information (who could greatly help the town) but not share any of it!

He's said several times "if I die tonight my lw will shed light on LOADS of info! I'm important!"
"I'm shocked mafia hasn't attacked me despite my crucial role and info I'm gonna get soon!"

Rather than beating around the bush, if mafia's gonna kill you anyway and haven't because of "hubris", why don't you just share your intel? Have you got some kind of masterplan with this intel that somehow stops you from sharing it right now? It just feels like a very scummy thing to dangle this info in our face (making yourself a target for the mafia anyway) without actually sharing the info. Are you waiting until the mafia gets stronger and the town gets desperate so they have to blindly follow your info claims?

I'm also curious about these "privy sources" that told you there's a tailor (4 said this d1). No privy source other than cheating could tell you there's a tailor d1, from what I see. Either:

1) You've made a decent guess that there's a tailor, based off of all the possible mafia roles.
2) You are mafia and thus know there's a tailor.
3) You were bullshitting in the spur of the moment to test ten's reaction.

And that's the other thing. You seem to be doing a lot of bullshitting to test us and control us. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. S-FM The Fourth Doctor

If you missed my coroner soft claim... lol. 10 was pissed I claimed it D1 all over the place. Read my coroner crumbs, they're everywhere. BTW, 10 is a good town candidate.

Can you understand why I believe there's a tailor now?
Can you understand why I think 6 wasn't neutral?
Checking 6 tonight to clarify.
Can you understand why I'm the most critical role?
Couldn't piece that together? You're not getting my vote.

Also, I pointed out my night feedback which explains my informed perspective regarding people being driven. If you've failed to see the logic behind hiding that, you'd be a foolish PM. Now there's no room to confirm a bus driver down the road.

Also, Dr.9, please stop playing so open... e.g.


I am really angry about my feedback now. Ignore everything i said about the eleventh doc

You're painting a target on yourself :-/


I never liked Fourth anyway, so I'll might agree with Twelfth. I hope all those claims can wrap up today's events.

S-FM The Fourth Doctor

Sorry Fourth. You gave me a bad impression right from the beginning.

I suppose there's no point playing any further guys. An impression has already been made by :sheep: 7 :sheep:


Im willing to vote #4 too but i can't ignore the slip that #11 made.


Explain why...



Fourth can wait later until after appropriate pressure.

0_o


Let's go for 4 who has actually got solid suspicions built on him.

What solid suspicions? I laid out my views very clearly and very publicly with 2 pieces of evidence I've just revealed that explain my logic in exchange for painting a bigger target on me and fucking up the bus driver confirmation later. Actually surprised driver hasn't stepped forward to prove himself that he bussed me instead of 11.



So its already been established that both 9 and 11 claim being driven, which throws out 9's theory of him being swapped with 6 (PM), but I think it was always safe to assume that a potential bus driver wouldn't be moving the PM on N1 when there are likely protectives on him, as that would've left him vulnerable.



I too agree that this would have made the most sense before the new information regarding 11's driven claim, however Im now leaning back towards a Bus Driver. The seemingly arbitrary moving of those 2 players last night didnt seem calculated, as such I dont see it as a chauffeur move.

In regards to the PM flipping Exec, im unconvinced this was his real identity. Whilst its not a strong argument, mine is that with all players alive, and discounting the mafia from targetting themselves, flipping a neut n1 was statistically the least probable event. Now you may argue that the PM was likely a neut who used his double votes to get into power, which is still very plausible, but I could see 6 having got enough legitimate votes as a town player. I personally did not vote for 6. At this stage of the game, I am going to be operating under the assumption we have a tailor.

In regards to 6 dying in general, this was honestly quite the suprise. Evidently there were no protectives on him to do anything actionable, but im holding out that there was a lookout on him at the very least, and im hoping theyre playing subtly to drive votes towards the killer, rather than aggressively revealing their role.

The attack on 6 was indeed risky and I agree with the earlier comment about the mafia testing the water on their capabilities. I think at this stage, revealing you were roleblocked is a bad move, as noted earlier it doesnt allow players to confirm themselves as a roleblocking player, but it might also indicate that you are a town protective, and by being disabled, you may have been the cause of the PM's death.

In regards to my PM status, I will continue to accept votes. My current standing is that there are no town confirmed players as of yet, and as such I can only trust myself. So I will remain a contender until such time that we have a reputable townie for mayor.

Brilliant fucking post. Use my newly revealed info for good.


Okay, since apparently no one is online when I am available, I'll just analyze everyone's posts.



5 Posts.

(3 Posts) During Day One - He just spent his entire time campaigning to become PM.

(2 Posts) During Day Two - No reported feedback and one post discussing his thoughts on the night results. It is recreated here:



1. The first sentence just recaps prior knowledge.
2. Agreed. At this point I lean more towards a Bus Driver.
3. I disagree. As I previously stated, a tailor is very unlikely. Why would you risk two mafia members on someone who was likely to be healed or watched? And why would you tailor an active player with last will enabled?
4. So do I, but I think the shooting of the PM shows either a very new Mafia team or a very experienced Mafia team.
5. Also that you (not First Doctor!) are a town protective!

Overall the play of the First Doctor is fairly reserved. One one post requires analysis and it's fairly difficult to pull anything except analytic comments out of it. If I was forced to put him in a spot, I would place him as a Town. Too early to say for sure though.



That's me!

I have claimed I have has no night results.
I go to school, following CDT.
I do not think we have a tailor (see S-FM First Doctor spoiler tag for reasoning).



2 Posts Day One. Probably replaced by now. Considering we have yet to hear from his replacement, will likely be modkilled. Lurker.
Troll Player:
Day One Posts:



Day Two Posts:



Fuck.



Finally the fun stuff!
8 Posts Day One, 12 Day Two.

Day One
First few posts are trolly type posts. Obviously a reaction test to see how he reacts with the Tenth Doctor. He then goes all out on the tenth doctor, analyzing every post. The competency of 4 is shown in this post:


Not a lot really here though, because I still take this as a reaction test against 10. While I'm sure its my own retardation, I see the statement "If it's not obvious what role I am, let me make this clear. DO NOT vote me mayor" as the key takeaway from this post as it starts building WIFOM. He concludes his reaction test and has a solid WIFOM shield going into Night One.

Day Two

1. Because he was the PM. I think the Mafia is either very new or very experienced. They gambled and won.
2. Yes, I do. There is no way they would waste a tailor charge on the PM since the PM would have left a Last Will. He didn't, but that's irrelevant because they didn't know that he wouldn't. The Mafia would have attacked an inactive like 3 and tailor him if that were the case.
3. See post about 10.
4. More WIFOM.



These "slips" are rarely actually Mafia slips. Bussing is the common term and you know that. Don't bust others balls. (That entire post is likely reactionary and to get the discussion rolling, so I understand but still)



Agreed. While I can see how that claim could be reached, that should not have been the first thing he though about to explain why he wasn't the only bus claim.



Yes. Bus Driver is town. Agreed.


To a certain extent.

Very heavy play style from 4.



Bah, more WIFOM. Your play style is largely based around not dying. Agreed on the Bus Driver. Not to tear down your WIFOM, but you don't need to be important to figure that out.



Policy lynching will suck. I recommend holding off for a day or so. Also, here is my responses to your points.

1. Maybe. Still taking it as WIFOM.
2. Hi BD
3. 9 analysis below
4. I completely disagree. See S-FM The First Doctor spoiler tag for my reasoning.
5. Too late....



I refuse to believe that you are so blatantly claiming either invest role or BD, so I'll chalk it up to more WIFOM.


Yes.


I'm getting a Town read from 4, but not one without a large asterisk. It appears that 4 rather brilliantly steered conversation and night actions away from him with WIFOM and aggressive play. Recommend we keep an eye on 4.



Even his replacement hasn't posted anything really good yet. Post!



Dead. I believe at this point that he was the executioner and his target was 10.



6 Posts Day One, 5 Posts Day Two

Distances himself from both 4 and 10 during day one. But no meaningful posts.

He doesn't want the town to discuss who would be a good candidate however.

Day Two



As 4 pointed out, this is bad. He wouldn't even wait for someone else to claim being bussed before trying to push that the PM was bussed. How could 9 ever know who he was bussed with? So why support that hypothesis as anything more than speculation.


You only sheeped 4 because of the pressure.

Not looking good for 7 in my mind. I am not leaning town.



4 posts Day One. 11 Posts Day Two

Day One is not important.

Day Two

Tailor threat is overblown. See reasoning above.

The rest of his posts just rehash points made by 4 and complain about activity level with 10. This strikes me as trying to hide or not be noticed. He is active enough not to be suspicious but doesn't put any new ideas forward and therefore is not lilkey to be looked at. Not leaning town at this point, but we'll see.



4 posts Day 1, 5 posts Day 2

Day One a waste.

Day Two


kk We Understand!

...

That's all. That's all you shared?

THAT IS NOT ENOUGH YOU LURKING BASTARD! Inactive.



6 Posts Day One, 11 Posts Day Two

Day One posts are trash and are not worth looking at.

Day Two

Ha. I find it funny you vote 11 before he reveals himself as the other bussed target by claiming you know secret information.


Read the setup then. But Agreed with reservations, attacking on the word "bussed" is BS.


These logic jumps are dangerous. At best it is a hypothesis. (Until 11 claimed of course)


Deflecting pressure by the outrageous claim only makes me doubt that you are town.


You are hiding something. Reveal it.


I don't trust this reasoning since it's basically the same reasoning used against 11.

I'm pressure voting 9.

S-FM The Ninth Doctor
Reveal your hidden information.


17 posts Day One, 13 posts Day Two

The exchange between 4 and 10 is basically the two most active players determining how the other will react and play. I hold no stock into anything else said during Day One.

Day Two

T.T

Of 13 posts, One votes me, 2 are for voting 3, 1 reports no feedback, two are about chauffeur versus BD (Which I think is incorrect for previously stated reasons), 1 agrees with Policy lynch, 1 about LW (which should be obvious but obviously wasn't), 1 more discussion about chauffeurs, 1 about a question posed, and 1 about the double lynch train. (and 3 I apparently missed but don't think are important)


I think looking at 9's D1 posting does not make him a high value block target. I'm surprised that he was blocked and therefore would assume an escort did it. 11 might also be hiding information though.

10 has calmed down so far during Day Two. I have him pegged as town though because of his rationalism and attempts to keep a conversation going.



7 posts Day One, 5 Posts Day Two

Only noteworthy thing Day One is that he pushed against 4, but during Day Two he states it was to give 4 even MORE WIFOM. Only other post of note is the "They" post:


I don't put a lot of stock in attacking people for things like that. Without either an Escort or Consort confirmed, this to me is innocent. (Although you can read it as I'm playing it off cause I want to protect 11. But now I mentioned it! Oh no now how do I really feel??? hahaha)

11 needs to interact more before I label him a town or not.



9 Posts Day One, 10 Posts Day Two

While I think 12 holds a defeatist attitude Day One, nothing of note really happens.

Day Two

A good set of logic that actually counters 4.

Wants to be PM!


hahahahahahahah I like this post, even if I don't agree with the conclusion. I disagree because I write off 4's large claims as WIFOM that doesn't actually say anything. I understand voting for him though.

Note that 7 sheeps with this post.


Heavy defense of 11, but I agree.

I read 12 as a towny with a little too much tunnel vision. I don't buy his case against 4 enough to vote. He is right that the WIFOM is getting out of hand.



omg why did I do this to myself..

[unvote][/uvote] Wow.


Hey guys. So my first 2 posts were a joke while I went through the day. Second I enjoy your commentary.

I've made these conclusions about the day so far

One
Two
Me - best PM option, tbh
Five
Eight
War
Ten
Eleven
Twelve

Four
Seven
Nine

Six

This is the current view of things: I feel very strongly that Six was in fact the Executioner. I find Four's commitment to thoughts otherwise in post 116 to be indicative of someone hellbent on convincing us that the graveyard is not a useful tool. Our host is no fool, and a role that changes the role without changing/deleting the last will simply won't come into this game.

Nine then does his subtle OMGUS to people questioning him. He is off base and uncomfortable. Seems sketchy and non-town.

Seven then manages to get through the earlier parts of the day without Four paying him ANY mind, even though Ten and Four were around and being productive. I find this interaction between 4 and 7 to be odd and worth consideration.

Vote Three for Prime Minister!

S-FM The Fourth Doctor for death

Thanks for sharing :-)

I'm going to have to dumb down my play-style. No more subtleties or plans or traps. Just releasing all information as soon as I get it and using random number generator to vote.


Right now, best place for my vote is on #7, this guy looks really scummy.

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

Probably joining you on this one.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

I'm half/half between 7 and 3 for today.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

TLDR:

Revealead Information
*I was bussed - therefore "driven" discussion + bus swap targets discussion
*I am coroner - therefore tailor discussion

[S-FM The First Doctor]

Right well it currently stands at L-3 for 4th, and a bunch of single votes spread across a few targets.

There doesnt seem to be sufficient, substantial leads on anyone at the moment that arent free from speculation, and the day is nearly over. I wont be making a lynch vote today, and I anticipate a few players will be recanting their votes on 4th as well. I say we pick this up again tomorrow after we have some more information to work with. So this is me signing off for the (IRL) night, my PM vote is in and i'll see you all 36-ish hours.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

I kinda like Fourth Doctor because he's been contributing a lot.

Death to all haters!

[S-FM The War Doctor]

Okay, since apparently no one is online when I am available, I'll just analyze everyone's posts.

When I looked at the section for my own posts, you actually missed a few. Was that on purpose?



I'll switch over to Seventh since Eleventh has said enough and I like Fourth.

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

I still need to know how to change this picture.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

-vote Test

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

How to vote

[S-FM The War Doctor]

I still need to know how to change this picture.

You mean an avatar?

Upper right corner, Settings.
To the left, My Settings. My Profile - Edit Avatar.

I'd give a link, but appears I am not allowed to.

Votes require this following code :


NAME OF VOTED

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

S-fm the seventh doctor

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

When I looked at the section for my own posts, you actually missed a few. Was that on purpose?



I'll switch over to Seventh since Eleventh has said enough and I like Fourth.

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

Your vote didn't work for some reason.

Mine will.

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

[S-FM The War Doctor]

Your vote didn't work for some reason.

Mine will.

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

How odd. I'll try again.

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

So I was hoping my last post before days end would discourage mafia from killing the fourth doctor.

I did not expect them to go for the sixth.

With neutral gone we don't have to worry about a jester at least.

I see that.

I bet I was bussed with You or Six.

Reasoning.

BD's were bussing opposites.

Supported 10 D1:
9
11

Against 10 D1"
4
6

BD's were driving opposites in hopes of a self-target perhaps?

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

***sorry

I bet I was bussed with you or 9.

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

I prefer the idea of 4our, and was not fully satisfied with his response to the votes. However I also find this guy to be awful as i've said before.

I won't be back before day ends and am heavily pro-lynch, so try to get it get got good, guys.

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

Thanks for sharing :-)

I'm going to have to dumb down my play-style. No more subtleties or plans or traps. Just releasing all information as soon as I get it and using random number generator to vote.

Suggests I don't want him to perform, rather than accurately drawing the line between seeking thoughts and forcibly augmenting the game.


I'm half/half between 7 and 3 for today.

As he voted on me out of policy (given that my last player was replaced) this FoS on me would make sense until I was productive. I have voiced opinions and why, and even without responding to them to ask for more has decided that that just ends there.

This is this player's scum play. Just saying.

See you all on the other side.

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Well, I would like to apologize for our "coroner" to be so awful. Since it came to this, I have no choice but to reveal myself, since my main purpose is to die anyway. But I want to die with commitment for greater good.

My role is Body Double. I'm not interested to reveal my protected target, but it was not Sixth. I have no idea whose greatest idea it was to pick Sixth as Prime Minister. I protected the person who I wanted to be the Prime Minister, not Sixth. No point on tell who he is right now.

I'm sorry that I lurked on purpose, I just wanted to keep a low profile in order to not get hit myself.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Since votes seem to be piling up on 7th, I did a quick ISO of his Day 2 posts:



109: Reports that he received no feedback last night. Moderately pro-Town post, especially since he led off the day with it.
115: States the obvious that we have to elect another PM, appears to be unfamiliar with the game rules given he claims he was unaware that 6 was in fact elected PM at the end of yesterday. Either a bad joke (trolling), faking stupidity (poor Town-read) or faking stupidity in terms of hiding scum alignment. Null to scum read.
128: States the obvious about 9th's claim -- either he was telling the truth (actually driven) or he's lying. Kind of a wasted post without much value add.
130: States the obvious about next PM -- we need to pick one again and how do we know he's going to be Town? (mind you, we don't 100% know that 6 was Town). Kind of a wasted post and doesn't consider the outside possibility of a Tailor.
168: Sheeps 12th Doctor and votes for 4th Doctor. Claims to have never liked 4th Doctor anyway. Clear sheep post, which looks questionable in and of itself. Also, for what it's worth, there was nothing from Day 1 to suggest that 7th had any animus / disagreements with 4th, so this vote seems to be coming out of right field. Decent scum read here.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Well, I would like to apologize for our "coroner" to be so awful. Since it came to this, I have no choice but to reveal myself, since my main purpose is to die anyway. But I want to die with commitment for greater good.

My role is Body Double. I'm not interested to reveal my protected target, but it was not Sixth. I have no idea whose greatest idea it was to pick Sixth as Prime Minister. I protected the person who I wanted to be the Prime Minister, not Sixth. No point on tell who he is right now.

I'm sorry that I lurked on purpose, I just wanted to keep a low profile in order to not get hit myself.

Well, the reveal is a start so thanks for posting vs. lurking. I have some comments / questions however:


You sort of did this to yourself by not participating much and then suddenly voting for 4th right after 12th did, and without expressing any reason other than not liking him (which I read to mean you find him suspicious). Nothing in your prior posts seems to suggest this, which made your vote come off like sheeping big time, which can be a scum tell, especially in terms of trying to build a train without sharing why you're voting.
I find your resistance to reveal your Night 1 target to be very strange given you're claiming Body Double. You have (or shouldn't have) any objective investigative information so your target is presumably just your strongest Town-read or your desired PM candidate (if not both). If you're telling us that you trust someone in particular here, why not share that information in terms of helping us make connections between players? Unless, you're not actually Body Double / protecting a scum buddy instead.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Typo in #2: You CAN'T have (or shouldn't have) any objective investigative information so your target is presumably just your strongest Town-read or your desired PM candidate (if not both).

The point being, why is 7th so secretive over whom he supposedly guarded Night 1 if 7th's role cannot produce investigative leads and therefore, 7th would be unable to know whether the person he guarded was in fact Town or scum? In other words, unless 7th is scum, he has the same information that the Town has (just what we've been saying here in day chat). It doesn't seem to add up to me why someone would refuse to divulge in this case unless there's something else that he's not telling us.

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Should I tell you who I voted for PM last day? It was the same person that I chose to protect. Do you think that person (who I believe right now is town) would feel himself less safe if I reveal his name to you?

I'm going to vote the same person for PM again today, and I hope that it'll coincide with your choice as well.

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Also, since Fourth's role claim is getting some credibility, I might as well unvote him. There is no need to hurry, right? With 9 of us and 3 of Mafia, we shouldn't have any problems in winning if we pick the right person as Prime Minister.

[S-FM Buzzy]

If you missed my coroner soft claim... lol. 10 was pissed I claimed it D1 all over the place. Read my coroner crumbs, they're everywhere.

Oopsies, I might have just fucked us all. I did warn you of my retardation, however. But you simply cannot fault me for doing what I do best.

is #DozenDoctor4PM2k15 no longer a thing?

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Also, since Fourth's role claim is getting some credibility, I might as well unvote him.

Here's what bothers me, 7th -- you basically just said the reason that you're unvoting 4th is because others believe that he's Coroner. Not that 4th or someone else necessarily convinced you that 4th is Coroner, but essentially (and this is me paraphrasing a bit) that the momentum to lynch 4th died so you don't see a reason to be part of a failing train (implication: because that might you look suspicious). If you had gone back and reviewed 4th's posts and made the conclusion that he was in fact soft claiming or that his posts seemed Town-aligned (which many of us, including myself, believe), I'd totally get that. But, I just don't like how you're willing to jump on a train / off a train based solely on other peoples' views on things, as opposed to your own.

That's to say, there's just something wrong about the way that you post. It just doesn't come off Town-aligned to me at all so I gotta go with my gut here.

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

[S-FM Buzzy]

Ahhh, to hammer or not to hammer? That is the question.

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Im actually fine with not lynching anyone today. i will unvote so we dont get a early hammer

[S-FM Buzzy]

Nahh, I'm not gonna hammer that. If he is mafia, he can be killed later. There's no rush to kill him right now. Though I do think he's very suspicious.

[S-FM Buzzy]

Im actually fine with not lynching anyone today. i will unvote so we dont get a early hammer

Dammit! For a moment I had power over the course of the game! I was savoring that shit! D:

I love power!!! I love to control others!!!

I mean... uhm... I'll be a very non-corrupt PM guys. You can trust me not to go mad.

Anyway, what do you think of three?

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Dammit! For a moment I had power over the course of the game! I was savoring that shit! D:

I love power!!! I love to control others!!!

I mean... uhm... I'll be a very non-corrupt PM guys. You can trust me not to go mad.

Anyway, what do you think of three?



Too few posts to get a opinion.

[S-FM Buzzy]

Too few posts to get a opinion.

Alright then. How about two? After that analysis of every single player in the game, it's difficult to deny he's someone you can develop an opinion of :P

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

Food for thought.

Does voting behavior indicate wolf alliance?

Are we simply nailing a scummy noob?

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Alright then. How about two? After that analysis of every single player in the game, it's difficult to deny he's someone you can develop an opinion of :P

Hard to say. He could be a scum trying hard to appear useful, considering that the conclusion of his analysis was to put a vote on me.

[S-FM Buzzy]

Hard to say. He could be a scum trying hard to appear useful, considering that the conclusion of his analysis was to put a vote on me.

Do you think the town should see you as innocent? Do you think it would be a fault on the town's part to read you as scummy?

[S-FM The Seventh Doctor]

Food for thought.

Does voting behavior indicate wolf alliance?

Are we simply nailing a scummy noob?

I'm just as surprised as you seeing how quickly one of then pulled his votes off me. But... obviously there is no need to hurry - there are 9 of us and 3 of then. And I'm sure that with my presence they can't kill pro-town players anymore. So once I die (by lynch or mafia kill), make sure to check through those who thought that voting me was a good idea.

Also, my suggestion might pull you off, but... in the even that you do not lynch me, do NOT visit me at night. Bus Driver, that includes especially you. I don't have any value in being protected.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Hard to say. He could be a scum trying hard to appear useful, considering that the conclusion of his analysis was to put a vote on me.

No offense, 9th, but this is a pretty terrible argument -- that 2nd might be scum because his conclusion was to vote you. It's effectively a nicer / more indirect way of OMGUSing him as opposed to any sort of a read on why his points may indicate he is scum. Not all votes on players are intended to get that player lynched. In fact, based on his write-up, it seems like 2nd was just trying to pressure you for more information because it appears you might have more and could be holding out on us.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

Reviewing the thread this guy stands out

S-FM The Third Doctor

Let's see if I did this right

[S-FM The Ninth Doctor]

Do you think the town should see you as innocent? Do you think it would be a fault on the town's part to read you as scummy?

Well, i know that im innocent. He mentions far more scummy people in his reads, but he still decides to vote on me becouse he wants me to give him information.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

No offense, 9th, but this is a pretty terrible argument -- that 2nd might be scum because his conclusion was to vote you. It's effectively a nicer / more indirect way of OMGUSing him as opposed to any sort of a read on why his points may indicate he is scum. Not all votes on players are intended to get that player lynched. In fact, based on his write-up, it seems like 2nd was just trying to pressure you for more information because it appears you might have more and could be holding out on us.

Yea.

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

Reviewing the thread this guy stands out

S-FM The Third Doctor

Let's see if I did this right

Yes, you voted correctly, 5th. Maybe you should tell us why you think 3rd is scummy before / while you vote him though? Don't be that guy who votes and doesn't explain why, lol.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

Well, i know that im innocent. He mentions far more scummy people in his reads, but he still decides to vote on me becouse he wants me to give him information.

This is a good point.

Dang, this game gonna be harder than I thought.

I've played before but on a different, much more relaxed, smaller site.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

S-FM The Seventh Doctor

I prefer the idea of 4our, and was not fully satisfied with his response to the votes. However I also find this guy to be awful as i've said before.

I won't be back before day ends and am heavily pro-lynch, so try to get it get got good, guys.


Suggests I don't want him to perform, rather than accurately drawing the line between seeking thoughts and forcibly augmenting the game.



As he voted on me out of policy (given that my last player was replaced) this FoS on me would make sense until I was productive. I have voiced opinions and why, and even without responding to them to ask for more has decided that that just ends there.

This is this player's scum play. Just saying.

See you all on the other side.

I'm really not liking these two posts.

1. Doesn't push most scummy player
2. Pushes but seems reluctant to vote because he won't be joined

The best way to kill someone is to push them yourself.

[S-FM The Third Doctor]

I'm really not liking these two posts.

1. Doesn't push most scummy player
2. Pushes but seems reluctant to vote because he won't be joined

The best way to kill someone is to push them yourself.

How can you possibly read my willingness to put a vote on both of my 2 largest scum reads as my being reluctant to vote? I also went out of my way to make sure all of my posts put down a vote while keeping vocal pressure on the others that I don't trust.

I would prefer 4, and his response to my posts basically cements why.
7 is also fucking scummy as shit and I support that lynch.

I am also pro-lynch in general for information purposes.

Like I just don't understand how you read what I put as my somehow being reluctant to push on things, as that's all i'm doing.

[S-FM The Fifth Doctor]

If you prefer 4 vote 4...

[S-FM The Eight Doctor]

I'm really not liking these two posts.

1. Doesn't push most scummy player
2. Pushes but seems reluctant to vote because he won't be joined

The best way to kill someone is to push them yourself.

I don't particularly agree with your read on 3rd, but it's useful to get everyone's reads on everyone else out there so at least you're contributing, which is more than we can say for a number of other players. 3rd seems like he's made some decent contributions so far and has given reasons why he thinks 4th and 7th are scummy. I don't agree with him on 4th but I do agree on 7th, as I've explained in my earlier posts to 7th.

[S-FM The Fourth Doctor]

I'm really not liking these two posts.

1. Doesn't push most scummy player
2. Pushes but seems reluctant to vote because he won't be joined

The best way to kill someone is to push them yourself.

I had similar thoughts.

I didn't voice them as it'd appear OMGUS.

[S-FM Squiggly]

I just sort of woke up.
Need to read through thread.