S-FM 159: Camp Mafia

[Toadette]

Welcome citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom to the Committee of Justice! I am your Mayor Toadette.

You have all been briefed on the illegal activities plaguing the city of Mushroomsville. We must find the culprits and bring them to justice.

Unfortunately all of you here are suspects! You must find out which of you are members of the Mafia. Choose wisely, for we will lynch the player at the end of the day with the most votes. Please review your classified documents here (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33007-S-FM-Camp-Mafia).

Role List:
Mafia
Mafia
Cop
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town

Players:
Yukitaka Oni
MattZed
Frog
Firebringer
Slaol
DarknessB
Stealthbombomb16
Helz
Superjack

We will begin the investigation when all players have confirmed and have 48 hour until nightfall. Good luck.

[Toadette]

8/9 players have confirmed their roles so far.

We will begin when the last player confirms.

[Toadette]

Day 1 has begun. It will end in 48 hours (http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+long+until+10%3A00+am+PST+October+2nd&x=0&y=0)

5

[SuperJack]

Would like to start the day off by pointing how obviously DarknessB is scum.

DarknessB

[DarknessB]

SuperJack, while I appreciate some good Day 1 trolling in FM games (Stealth's game for example), the mechanics of this game really don't lend themselves to doing so in a way that helps the Town. Specifically, remember that the person with the most votes is lynched at Day's end. In other words, joke voting has a much more serious consequence in this game than in other FMs. Therefore, I'd ask that you unvote me please.

[DarknessB]

Also, when more people are around, we should probably discuss strategy on how to approach this game given the different mechanics.

[MattZed]

Would like to start the day off by pointing how obviously DarknessB is scum.

DarknessB
Disagree. It's always the smurfs that are scum.

Stealthbombomb16

[MattZed]

SuperJack, while I appreciate some good Day 1 trolling in FM games (Stealth's game for example), the mechanics of this game really don't lend themselves to doing so in a way that helps the Town. Specifically, remember that the person with the most votes is lynched at Day's end. In other words, joke voting has a much more serious consequence in this game than in other FMs. Therefore, I'd ask that you unvote me please.
Why are you so afraid of a single vote? Do you really think we're going to have only one vote made this day?

[SuperJack]

Wow... That's some serious defending from darkness just for trolling.

[DarknessB]

Why are you so afraid of a single vote? Do you really think we're going to have only one vote made this day?

Based on the last two games I've played, I feel like the tone of the game is much better set when we don't turn Day 1 into a trollfest. Worked very well in Fire's game where the Town controlled discussion very well and we were able to call out shitposters / people who looked fishy. In contrast, Stealth's game turned into a clusterfuck of trolling and it could have ended very badly for the Town had ika not been the one to hammer Super.

[MattZed]

Wow... That's some serious defending from darkness just for trolling.
Did you just admit to trolling? Back in my day we didn't cast our first vote to troll. We reaction fished.

[MattZed]

Based on the last two games I've played, I feel like the tone of the game is much better set when we don't turn Day 1 into a trollfest. Worked very well in Fire's game where the Town controlled discussion very well and we were able to call out shitposters / people who looked fishy. In contrast, Stealth's game turned into a clusterfuck of trolling and it could have ended very badly for the Town had ika not been the one to hammer Super.
You literally called the first post of the game a troll post.

[DarknessB]

Did you just admit to trolling? Back in my day we didn't cast our first vote to troll. We reaction fished.

Isn't your day my day? Also, Super has been playing much longer than you have, lol.

[DarknessB]

You literally called the first post of the game a troll post.

LOL, yes, I did. And Super basically admitted it was too, so we're actually in agreement.

[DarknessB]

Anyway, anyone want to discuss how we should approach this game given the lynch mechanics? We need to come up with a "most likely scum" per day since there's no way to avoid someone being lynched. Seems far safer to have that be a consensus pick among the group vs. letting Toadette random at the end.

[MattZed]

LOL, yes, I did. And Super basically admitted it was too, so we're actually in agreement.
Well, for lack of any better evidence for the time being, I can support Super's pressure vote.

DarknessB

[DarknessB]

Well, for lack of any better evidence for the time being, I can support Super's pressure vote.

DarknessB

Sigh, why do I bother sometimes? I'll wait until the adults arrive to have a strategy discussion then.

[Frog]

*explains why everyone should at least cast a vote today*

*forgets to explain it, hopes someone disagrees*

*Wonders how many are capable of moving beyond IIoA*

Slaol

[DarknessB]

*explains why everyone should at least cast a vote today*

*forgets to explain it, hopes someone disagrees*

*Wonders how many are capable of moving beyond IIoA*

Slaol

This setup probably warrants some IIoA time though, wouldn't you agree? Especially before most players have posted, there's not much else to talk about at this vantage point.

[MattZed]

If you want to get crazy with your meta, note:


If the day ends and nobody has received the amount of votes needed, then the person with the highest amount of votes at day end will be lynched. If there is a tie, then the day will be extended 24 hours, the votes will be reset, and ONLY the tied players may be voted for during this time. If there is still a tie at the end of the 24 hours, all abstaining players will die. If there are no abstainers, the players tied for the most votes at that time will all be lynched.

If the cop checks a townie tonight, the mechanics enable us to lynch everyone but those two. Namely:

Everyone votes for the person below them on the names list, except the person above the cop. Then we go into a 6-way tie. At this stage, the cop votes one person, the townie votes another, and then no one else votes. This will kill everyone except the cop and townie. If anyone tries to vote against this plan, they admit to being scum, and we mess them up.

This plan works as long as the cop is uncontested. Thus, if scum want to not lose, they need to contest the cop, which means we can out at least one scum by just going through the cop claims. Either way, we don't mislynch tomorrow.

For the record: The cop should not call until this plan is agreed on.

[Slaol]

I claim Kenyan Doctor

[DarknessB]

If you want to get crazy with your meta, note:



If the cop checks a townie tonight, the mechanics enable us to lynch everyone but those two. Namely:

Everyone votes for the person below them on the names list, except the person above the cop. Then we go into a 6-way tie. At this stage, the cop votes one person, the townie votes another, and then no one else votes. This will kill everyone except the cop and townie. If anyone tries to vote against this plan, they admit to being scum, and we mess them up.

This plan works as long as the cop is uncontested. Thus, if scum want to not lose, they need to contest the cop, which means we can out at least one scum by just going through the cop claims. Either way, we don't mislynch tomorrow.

For the record: The cop should not call until this plan is agreed on.

Heh, this is actually pretty clever. Who are you and what have you done to MattZed? :)

[MattZed]

Heh, this is actually pretty clever. Who are you and what have you done to MattZed? :)
The MattZed jester is actually just a façade.

[Firebringer]

I claim Kenyan Doctor

I am CC this claim. I am the true Kenyan Doctor.

Slaol

[Firebringer]

sorry, I can't pay attention to this game because I'm attending to a very important lynch in my other game

^ The Stealth meme.

[Frog]

If you want to get crazy with your meta, note:



If the cop checks a townie tonight, the mechanics enable us to lynch everyone but those two. Namely:

Everyone votes for the person below them on the names list, except the person above the cop. Then we go into a 6-way tie. At this stage, the cop votes one person, the townie votes another, and then no one else votes. This will kill everyone except the cop and townie. If anyone tries to vote against this plan, they admit to being scum, and we mess them up.

This plan works as long as the cop is uncontested. Thus, if scum want to not lose, they need to contest the cop, which means we can out at least one scum by just going through the cop claims. Either way, we don't mislynch tomorrow.

For the record: The cop should not call until this plan is agreed on.

*Mostly disagrees*

*Encourages others to think of a better strategy with(out) revealing (the plan).*

[Frog]

SuperJack, while I appreciate some good Day 1 trolling in FM games (Stealth's game for example), the mechanics of this game really don't lend themselves to doing so in a way that helps the Town. Specifically, remember that the person with the most votes is lynched at Day's end. In other words, joke voting has a much more serious consequence in this game than in other FMs. Therefore, I'd ask that you unvote me please.

*Agrees that there is no benefit acting :scum:Y in this setup*

[SuperJack]

If Frog get to type like that so shall I! [Next Post]

Also I'm not un voting darkness until everyone is here.

[Yukitaka Oni]

If Frog get to type like that so shall I! [Next Post]

Also I'm not un voting darkness until everyone is here.
Am here, snow eagle of the soviet motherland is here.

[DarknessB]

If Frog get to type like that so shall I! [Next Post]

Also I'm not un voting darkness until everyone is here.

Works for me -- 48 hour days mean we have more time than usual to figure out what we're doing. Also, Frog doesn't normally type like that, lol?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Bohyi teheuses vurkoiida

[SuperJack]

Works for me -- 48 hour days mean we have more time than usual to figure out what we're doing. Also, Frog doesn't normally type like that, lol?

SuperJack says SuperJack was trying to Suggest SuperJack will use another method to make superjacks posts unique.

[SuperJack]

Am here, snow eagle of the soviet motherland is here.

SuperJack greets the Motherland with respect of SuperJack.

[DarknessB]

SuperJack says SuperJack was trying to Suggest SuperJack will use another method to make superjacks posts unique.

Close, but I think it's more like using asterisks and no nouns:

* Agrees that it would be funny if SuperJack types like Frog does this game *

* Thinks that people need to start participating instead of lurking *

* Wants to start discussing strategy once everyone is here *

Etc.

[DarknessB]

SuperJack says SuperJack was trying to Suggest SuperJack will use another method to make superjacks posts unique.

I misread your post -- all of the third person was confusing me. But that's a unique way to do it too, lol.

[Firebringer]

I am going to kick this game out of troll mode.


Okay,

I am the Town Cop.


Doctor on me, I will check Slaol tonight. Doctor do not WIFOM this, go on me. Mafia are definitely going to attack me.

[DarknessB]

I am going to kick this game out of troll mode.


Okay,

I am the Town Cop.


Doctor on me, I will check Slaol tonight. Doctor do not WIFOM this, go on me. Mafia are definitely going to attack me.

You realize there's no Doctor, right?

[Yukitaka Oni]

I am going to kick this game out of troll mode.


Okay,

I am the Town Cop.


Doctor on me, I will check Slaol tonight. Doctor do not WIFOM this, go on me. Mafia are definitely going to attack me.
Sie, we have town only.

[Firebringer]

You realize there's no Doctor, right?

What?

[DarknessB]

What?

Role List:
Mafia
Mafia
Cop
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town

[Firebringer]

THIS GAME IS TROLL!

*Throws the monitor at the wall in anger*

[DarknessB]

THIS GAME IS TROLL!

*Throws the monitor at the wall in anger*

You have made a very bad name to yourself. :wm:

[Firebringer]

Disregard my claim.

I am town.

[SuperJack]

SuperJack knows this is a ploy because SuperJack is really SuperJack the SuperJack Town Cop.

[Yukitaka Oni]

If am not voted someone, i will die. Well shet, this is the first game that force me to vote someone....

[Frog]

Also, Frog doesn't normally type like that, lol?

*Reminds others of the importance of experimentation.*

*Calls upon others to recognize and utilize pre-ambulatory and operative clauses exclusively.*


SuperJack says SuperJack was trying to Suggest SuperJack will use another method to make superjacks posts unique.

*Congratulates SuperJack on creating a unique identifier.*

*Stresses the method should not override communication ability.*

[SuperJack]

SuperJack was just SuperSaving the SuperFake Town cop SuperClaim.

[Firebringer]

I am willing to do make an exception of Policy Lynches in the case of SuperJack.

[DarknessB]

SuperJack was just SuperSaving the SuperFake Town cop SuperClaim.

I would rep you for this if I could, lol.

[Yukitaka Oni]

hello

[Firebringer]

hello

Goodbye!
Yukitaka Oni

[DarknessB]

hello

I would be shocked if this gets around the "no voting" rule, but that's for Toadette to decide.

[Firebringer]

No for reals:
SuperJack

This guy has to go the way of the flamingos.

[SuperJack]

I am willing to do make an exception of Policy Lynches in the case of SuperJack.

SuperJack does not Superfear a lynch. Supersince it's not a Super Lynch

[Yukitaka Oni]

I would be shocked if this gets around the "no voting" rule, but that's for Toadette to decide.
Sorry, just checking game code, it's my 2nd games

[Firebringer]

Sorry, just checking game code, it's my 2nd games

I remember your first game quite well.....

[Yukitaka Oni]

Goodbye!
Yukitaka Oni
Code game checked, ok i vote someone else later

[Frog]

I would be shocked if this gets around the "no voting" rule, but that's for Toadette to decide.

*Dies of laughter*

DarknessB (2 [L-3]):
SuperJack, MattZed
Slaol (1 [L-4]):
Frog
Yukitaka Oni (1 [L-4]):
Firebringer
Hello (1 [L-4]):
Yukitaka Oni

[Yukitaka Oni]

I remember your first game quite well.....
It was a dishonorable moment.....don't mention it...

[Firebringer]

We should totally lynch Hello.

Hello is mafia for sure.
I gurantee it.

[SuperJack]

SuperJack would like to Superthank his phone for Supereminding him that he Superlives in Blackburn and The Supercurrent weather conditions since phone supersuggess he cannot look out a SuperWindow.

[Yukitaka Oni]

We should totally lynch Hello.

Hello is mafia for sure.
I gurantee it.
Sorry, unvoted asap
hello

[DarknessB]

Sorry, just checking game code, it's my 2nd games

Gotcha -- commands are:

[*vote]Name[*/vote] in order to vote
[*unvote][*/unvote] in order to unvote

Couple of notes:

Delete asterisks when you use these commands (I put them in so you could see how they're supposed to look).
You also just vote someone else and that will change your vote.
Make sure to spell names correctly or else it will register as a separate person.
There isn't a vote skip in this game obviously given we need to vote every day.


Pretty sure that's in in terms of commands given no activated roles or anything like that in this setup.

[Frog]

No for reals:
SuperJack

This guy has to go the way of the flamingos.

*Is confused by your vote*

*Encourages you to recognize your common strategy*

[Yukitaka Oni]

Gotcha -- commands are:

[*vote]Name[*/vote] in order to vote
[*unvote][*/unvote] in order to unvote

Couple of notes:

Delete asterisks when you use these commands (I put them in so you could see how they're supposed to look).
You also just vote someone else and that will change your vote.
Make sure to spell names correctly or else it will register as a separate person.
There isn't a vote skip in this game obviously given we need to vote every day.


Pretty sure that's in in terms of commands given no activated roles or anything like that in this setup.
Thanks,

[MattZed]

Okay, my totally clever D2 masslynch plan has not been sufficiently discussed.

[Frog]

Okay, my totally clever D2 masslynch plan has not been sufficiently discussed.

*Points out 3 people including myself recognize a better plan.*

[Yukitaka Oni]

Noob of the day quote 4: Welcome to the USSR
- Cheka Office didn't live to see the morning, he has multiple sign of stab. His role were: Jailor
- Cheka Office last will: n1-fuck commie(execute),n2-citizen(execute),n3-nazi office(execute),n4-Gulag guy(out of execute)
- Stalin, the marshall has revealed himself. Lynch everyone except Russia soldier
- Cyka has been lynched, her role were: Escort
- Gulag guy has been lynched, his role were: Serial Killer
- Comrade has been lynched, his role were: Vigilante
Town win
+ Request from me and Fukeenzz sazing
- My comment: What's this? Cyka Blyat???

[Frog]

Noob of the day quote 4: Welcome to the USSR
- Cheka Office didn't live to see the morning, he has multiple sign of stab. His role were: Jailor
- Cheka Office last will: n1-fuck commie(execute),n2-citizen(execute),n3-nazi office(execute),n4-Gulag guy(out of execute)
- Stalin, the marshall has revealed himself. Lynch everyone except Russia soldier
- Cyka has been lynched, her role were: Escort
- Gulag guy has been lynched, his role were: Serial Killer
- Comrade has been lynched, his role were: Vigilante
Town win
+ Request from me and Fukeenzz sazing
- My comment: What's this? Cyka Blyat???

*Expresses concern over whether Yukitaka realizes this is a game, not mafia discussion*

[Yukitaka Oni]

*Expresses concern over whether Yukitaka realizes this is a game, not mafia discussion*
Just to check if someone care about me, seem like you earn my trust

[Yukitaka Oni]

:wm: am i doing this right?

[Frog]

:wm: am i doing this right?

*Recommends Yukitaka's posts reflect Yukitaka's goals.*

*Expresses deeper concern.*

[DarknessB]

:wm: am i doing this right?

Not really, no -- I know that you're new so I'll cut you a break as opposed to scum reading you.

I get that it's Day 1 and people are often a bit silly / trollish because we don't have too much to go on, but we need to remember someone needs to get lynched today per the setup rules. This means it's a bit more important to get a good start than in normal games where we could just no lynch and reconvene.

Some questions that we could be asking ourselves (both for Yuki and everyone):


Is there an optimal / preferred way to play this setup given the rule variations?
Are there things we've noticed about the rules that could be used to our advantage?
Is there anything we can infer out of peoples' posting / voting patterns so far?
If you were Town or Cop, what would your plan of choice be?
Are there players who have been lurking / choosing not to participate (can't ask this as easily yet because the game just opened)?
Are there players who have been avoiding questions asked by others?


This is at least a good start, I think.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Not really, no -- I know that you're new so I'll cut you a break as opposed to scum reading you.

I get that it's Day 1 and people are often a bit silly / trollish because we don't have too much to go on, but we need to remember someone needs to get lynched today per the setup rules. This means it's a bit more important to get a good start than in normal games where we could just no lynch and reconvene.

Some questions that we could be asking ourselves (both for Yuki and everyone):


Is there an optimal / preferred way to play this setup given the rule variations?
Are there things we've noticed about the rules that could be used to our advantage?
Is there anything we can infer out of peoples' posting / voting patterns so far?
If you were Town or Cop, what would your plan of choice be?
Are there players who have been lurking / choosing not to participate (can't ask this as easily yet because the game just opened)?
Are there players who have been avoiding questions asked by others?


This is at least a good start, I think.
Meeeh....am fking noob, only player serious...lack of humor because am a commie......

[Yukitaka Oni]

*Recommends Yukitaka's posts reflect Yukitaka's goals.*

*Expresses deeper concern.*
Ok fine am not a cop. Ok? Am not Cheka

[DarknessB]

Meeeh....am fking noob, only player serious...lack of humor because am a commie......

It's fine to be new and no one is holding that against you. That said, players who are posting unproductive things are read as scum, because it is seen as spamming the thread with off-topic content as opposed to trying to develop a strategy, give your reads, or otherwise move discussion forward. In other words, it's a distraction rather than something that helps the Town -- that's what we're getting at here.

[Yukitaka Oni]

It's fine to be new and no one is holding that against you. That said, players who are posting unproductive things are read as scum, because it is seen as spamming the thread with off-topic content as opposed to trying to develop a strategy, give your reads, or otherwise move discussion forward. In other words, it's a distraction rather than something that helps the Town -- that's what we're getting at here.
Even a veteran player in starcraft.....can't believe am still being called a newbie in here....guess the mafia game on forum is even more challenging than in game...

[Frog]

Not really, no -- I know that you're new so I'll cut you a break as opposed to scum reading you.

I get that it's Day 1 and people are often a bit silly / trollish because we don't have too much to go on, but we need to remember someone needs to get lynched today per the setup rules. This means it's a bit more important to get a good start than in normal games where we could just no lynch and reconvene.

Some questions that we could be asking ourselves (both for Yuki and everyone):


Is there an optimal / preferred way to play this setup given the rule variations?
Are there things we've noticed about the rules that could be used to our advantage?
Is there anything we can infer out of peoples' posting / voting patterns so far?
If you were Town or Cop, what would your plan of choice be?
Are there players who have been lurking / choosing not to participate (can't ask this as easily yet because the game just opened)?
Are there players who have been avoiding questions asked by others?


This is at least a good start, I think.

1. *Recommended everyone start by casting their 1 vote (spread so no mislynch) before discussing further.*
2.*Recognizes the potential use of tie votes.*
3.*Sees subtle agreements on preferred strategy and a veto on MattZed's plan by 3 players.*
4.*Laughs at the phrasing of this question, and the question in general.*
5.*.*
6.*Yells, "Absolutely!" Recommends moving past IIoA. Views a few prompts that would be detrimental to entertain or discuss.*

[Frog]

Ok fine am not a cop. Ok? Am not Cheka

*Sighs deeply*

[DarknessB]

Even a veteran player in starcraft.....can't believe am still being called a newbie in here....guess the mafia game on forum is even more challenging than in game...

I've played a ton of SC2Mafia myself -- the meta in FMs is very different. These games take a lot more time and effort to set up and play so there's a bit more seriousness vs. the SC2 games which you can play 10 in a row and which have a lot of trolls. Also, the amount of discussion time is a lot longer (days vs. minutes) and more is driven by day discussion vs. night actions (whereas in SC2, most Town roles are TPRs). If you keep playing FMs, you will get used to the playstyle pretty quickly.

[Helz]

Checking in. I will post fo shizzel later

[Frog]

Ok fine am not a cop. Ok? Am not Cheka

*Points out the severe harm you've done by sincerely claiming cit.*

*Expresses genuine disappointment.*

*Encourages all to think before posting.*

[DarknessB]

1. *Recommended everyone start by casting their 1 vote (spread so no mislynch) before discussing further.*
2.*Recognizes the potential use of tie votes.*
3.*Sees subtle agreements on preferred strategy and a veto on MattZed's plan by 3 players.*
4.*Laughs at the phrasing of this question, and the question in general.*
5.*.*
6.*Yells, "Absolutely!" Recommends moving past IIoA. Views a few prompts that would be detrimental to entertain or discuss.*

LOL, not sure if I like the Frog executive bulletpoint style, but nevertheless, he's being very helpful with his points.

1. I agree that we should spread out votes to reduce the chance of a mislynch. To that end, I will vote Stealth -- nothing personal, but hopefully, it encourages him to join the game sooner than later.

Stealthbombomb16
2. The tie vote rules are very important and I think we can take advantage of them -- agreed that it makes sense to keep votes at parity until we have a lynch candidate for today to avoid a mislynch as stated in #1.

3. I'm still thinking about whether MattZed's plan makes sense, but I'm sensing that the group hasn't jumped on it. Maybe that will evolve as more people join the game to participate though.

4. Always glad to entertain you, Frog. :wm: Agreed this question doesn't make as much sense in a relatively simple setup without an abundance of Town TPRs. It was a little more directed at Yuki than the group given the new-to-FM factor.

5. We can come back to #5 depending on who still hasn't participated by the end of tonight (real life time).

6. I think this will be easier once more of the group joins. As it is, only you, me, MattZed, Yuki are really posting a bunch. The rest of the crowd either hasn't arrived yet or has been in and out (Fire, Super).

[DarknessB]

*Points out the severe harm you've done by sincerely claiming cit.*

*Expresses genuine disappointment.*

*Encourages all to think before posting.*

Yeah... that wasn't good, Yuki. Part of a Citizen's job is to be a "meat shield" -- i.e. take a bullet so that the Town Power Role (TPR) can stay alive. If the Cop dies, we're going to be in a significantly worse situation. No need to role claim during Day 1, especially without anyone pressuring you.

[Stealthbombomb16]

Firebringer

Get counter claimed son!

[Frog]

LOL, not sure if I like the Frog executive bulletpoint style, but nevertheless, he's being very helpful with his points.

1. I agree that we should spread out votes to reduce the chance of a mislynch. To that end, I will vote Stealth -- nothing personal, but hopefully, it encourages him to join the game sooner than later.

Stealthbombomb16
2. The tie vote rules are very important and I think we can take advantage of them -- agreed that it makes sense to keep votes at parity until we have a lynch candidate for today to avoid a mislynch as stated in #1.

3. I'm still thinking about whether MattZed's plan makes sense, but I'm sensing that the group hasn't jumped on it. Maybe that will evolve as more people join the game to participate though.

4. Always glad to entertain you, Frog. :wm: Agreed this question doesn't make as much sense in a relatively simple setup without an abundance of Town TPRs. It was a little more directed at Yuki than the group given the new-to-FM factor.

5. We can come back to #5 depending on who still hasn't participated by the end of tonight (real life time).

6. I think this will be easier once more of the group joins. As it is, only you, me, MattZed, Yuki are really posting a bunch. The rest of the crowd either hasn't arrived yet or has been in and out (Fire, Super).

*Points out Fire and Super disagree with MattZed's plan.*

*Acknowledges their contribution is significant and meaningful.*

[Stealthbombomb16]

Fire why did you even fake claim cop day 1?

[Stealthbombomb16]

Oh wait.

He could just be cit claiming to protect me.

Crap.

[Stealthbombomb16]

:wm:

[Stealthbombomb16]

From the mind that brought you Glitch_44...

[Frog]

:wm:

*Praises :wm: *

[Stealthbombomb16]

I feel dumb. Just finished reading.

[Stealthbombomb16]

Sry guise I'm high

[DarknessB]

From the mind that brought you Glitch_44...

This is an absolutely terrifying thought honestly.

[Stealthbombomb16]

This is an absolutely terrifying thought honestly.
Im sorry it was on accident :wm:

[DarknessB]

Slightly off topic, but if I were Stealth, I'd be afraid that Fire and / or Slaol would vote me up in order to break my win streak on the ladder, lol.

[Helz]

This setup probably warrants some IIoA time though, wouldn't you agree? Especially before most players have posted, there's not much else to talk about at this vantage point.

I disagree. There is only 1 PR so IIoA is pretty much out the window except for the one day the cop gets lucky.


If you want to get crazy with your meta, note:



If the cop checks a townie tonight, the mechanics enable us to lynch everyone but those two. Namely:

Everyone votes for the person below them on the names list, except the person above the cop. Then we go into a 6-way tie. At this stage, the cop votes one person, the townie votes another, and then no one else votes. This will kill everyone except the cop and townie. If anyone tries to vote against this plan, they admit to being scum, and we mess them up.

This plan works as long as the cop is uncontested. Thus, if scum want to not lose, they need to contest the cop, which means we can out at least one scum by just going through the cop claims. Either way, we don't mislynch tomorrow.

For the record: The cop should not call until this plan is agreed on.

This is an extremely bad plan and makes me wonder if you are attempting to get the cop to reveal.


Heh, this is actually pretty clever. Who are you and what have you done to MattZed? :)

Wut?

DarknessB
You seem... Different than normal. Almost like you are grabbing every town point you can.

[DarknessB]

*Points out Fire and Super disagree with MattZed's plan.*

*Acknowledges their contribution is significant and meaningful.*

Frog, if we get you riled up, will you start typing longer posts? I think I preferred the longer Frog contributions from last game vs. the execuspeak, just in terms of having more to go on.

[DarknessB]

Wut?

DarknessB
You seem... Different than normal. Almost like you are grabbing every town point you can.

Pretty sure I did that last game too -- I'm trying to get people to participate rather than lurk. ISO my posts from today and you'll see that.

[Stealthbombomb16]

Pretty sure I did that last game too -- I'm trying to get people to participate rather than lurk. ISO my posts from today and you'll see that.

Last game = Glitch_44

DarknessB

We'll call this the Corrupt Journalist Referral Slip.

[DarknessB]

Last game = Glitch_44

DarknessB

We'll call this the Corrupt Journalist Referral Slip.

The last game I was in with Helz (Fire's game) -- your game was a shitshow, which I've tried to wipe from my memory, lol.

[DarknessB]

And also, you guys are way too comfortable with having me at L-1 this early. If you want to mislynch, you're doing a great job.

[DarknessB]

In fact, let me run through the four votes on me:

1. SuperJack -- admits his vote was a troll vote.
2. MattZed -- enjoys hopping on lynch trains
3. Helz -- misread me in his analysis -- maybe the only non-troll vote so far
4. Stealth -- playing erratically as usual

This Town is shit, lol.

[Stealthbombomb16]

My erratic play has given me a 5 win streak. Don't you even try.

[DarknessB]

My erratic play has given me a 5 win streak. Don't you even try.

Even a broken watch...

But yes, thank you for being sensible and unvoting. We have 48 hour days -- plenty of time to ISO my posts, question me, whatever. It's insane if you guys rush to lynch within the first 5-6 hours of Day 1.

[Stealthbombomb16]

I actually didn't realize you were L-1.

[SuperJack]

*Points out Fire and Super disagree with MattZed's plan.*

*Acknowledges their contribution is significant and meaningful.*

SuperJack requests that UnSuperFrog infacts points superout where superjack disagreed with the superplan.


In fact, let me run through the four votes on me:

1. SuperJack -- admits his vote was a troll vote.
2. MattZed -- enjoys hopping on lynch trains
3. Helz -- misread me in his analysis -- maybe the only non-troll vote so far
4. Stealth -- playing erratically as usual

This Town is shit, lol.

SuperJack always has a SuperPlan. Superduper Deal with it.

[DarknessB]

I actually didn't realize you were L-1.

No worries -- appreciate the sanity there.

On another point, I've been posting a lot so far so there are plenty of posts for people to analyze if people legitimately suspect me as being scum. We're fall into the same bad SC2Mafia.com meta where the more active players get voted up and lurkers are given a complete pass. I've talked to people like Fire and Frog about this at length -- it's a really bad problem for FM at this site.

[SuperJack]

No worries -- appreciate the sanity there.

On another point, I've been posting a lot so far so there are plenty of posts for people to analyze if people legitimately suspect me as being scum. We're fall into the same bad SC2Mafia.com meta where the more active players get voted up and lurkers are given a complete pass. I've talked to people like Fire and Frog about this at length -- it's a really bad problem for FM at this site.

SuperJack would like to superpwer suggest, UnSuperDarknessB is Supersquirming as he did everytime he was superscum.
SuperJack sees he is even super using guilt as a way to get people to super unvote him
SuperJack does not want players to feel guilty after lynching someone who is active.
SuperJack would like to point to the -previous- S-FM (SuperAccording to Darkness) where the superactive players where the superscum.

[DarknessB]

SuperJack would like to superpwer suggest, UnSuperDarknessB is Supersquirming as he did everytime he was superscum.
SuperJack sees he is even super using guilt as a way to get people to super unvote him
SuperJack does not want players to feel guilty after lynching someone who is active.
SuperJack would like to point to the -previous- S-FM (SuperAccording to Darkness) where the superactive players where the superscum.

1. You admitted your vote was troll.
2. We should actually discuss and have reasons for voting anyone vs. just piling on votes like you and MattZed did.
3. If you have reasons for voting me like Helz, fine, but shit votes don't help us get anywhere.
4. In the last S-FM, ika and sekov were huge lurkers and scum. Also Mikecall was Glitch and he wasn't overly active. The most active players in that game were Toadette, MattZed, you, and me, half of which were Town and one of which helped the Town a ton.

[SuperJack]

1. You admitted your vote was troll.
2. We should actually discuss and have reasons for voting anyone vs. just piling on votes like you and MattZed did.
3. If you have reasons for voting me like Helz, fine, but shit votes don't help us get anywhere.
4. In the last S-FM, ika and sekov were huge lurkers and scum. Also Mikecall was Glitch and he wasn't overly active. The most active players in that game were Toadette, MattZed, you, and me, half of which were Town and one of which helped the Town a ton.

SuperJack will not SuperListen to Numbers.
SuperJack would like to say that example is of no good. SuperJack has seen that 50% of the active player you Superadmitted to that game, where Scum.
SuperJack thinks that there is more reasons to do things. SuperJack thinks that Plans are broken.
SuperJack would like to Superpointout that none of his votes are SuperShit.
SuperJack has miss-counted
SuperJack sees your superstupididity-titty and raises you a Superhand.

[MattZed]

In fact, let me run through the four votes on me:

1. SuperJack -- admits his vote was a troll vote.
2. MattZed -- enjoys hopping on lynch trains
3. Helz -- misread me in his analysis -- maybe the only non-troll vote so far
4. Stealth -- playing erratically as usual

This Town is shit, lol.
Aside from a rather textbook OMGUS, do you have anything else to add? Maybe about Slaol's play, which has been largely not discussed?

[Yukitaka Oni]

SuperJack will not SuperListen to Numbers.
SuperJack would like to say that example is of no good. SuperJack has seen that 50% of the active player you Superadmitted to that game, where Scum.
SuperJack thinks that there is more reasons to do things. SuperJack thinks that Plans are broken.
SuperJack would like to Superpointout that none of his votes are SuperShit.
SuperJack has miss-counted
SuperJack sees your superstupididity-titty and raises you a Superhand.
SuperJack
My god.....english,....maybe I should speak russian for the rest of the game....

[DarknessB]

SuperJack will not SuperListen to Numbers. Non-responsive / filler.
SuperJack would like to say that example is of no good. SuperJack has seen that 50% of the active player you Superadmitted to that game, where Scum. You were an odd neutral that ended up helping the Town. Functionally, it ended up being 1/4 scum, 3/4 Town or ended up being Town-aligned.
SuperJack thinks that there is more reasons to do things. SuperJack thinks that Plans are broken. If you have a plan, let's hear it -- other than leaving your admittedly troll vote on me.
SuperJack would like to Superpointout that none of his votes are SuperShit. Non-responsive / filler.
SuperJack has miss-counted Non-responsive / filler.
SuperJack sees your superstupididity-titty and raises you a Superhand. Non-responsive / filler.

And I'm the one getting read as anti-Town?

[MattZed]

Darkness, don't think you're off the hook, but I want to pressure Yukitaka into taking this a little more seriously.

Yukitaka Oni

[DarknessB]

Aside from a rather textbook OMGUS, do you have anything else to add? Maybe about Slaol's play, which has been largely not discussed?

I haven't OMGUSed any of you -- I'm just pointed out that you've voting recklessly without any reason explained to the rest of us. Notice how I haven't voted any of you -- because I think you're more misguided than necessarily scum at this point. Actually, I had voted Stealth but that was before he voted me.

Slaol likes to lurk / troll during Day 1s -- I'm sure you read Fire's game. He participates on his terms and his terms only. I don't like it, but I don't think it's an indication of whether he's Town or not. Unless we're going to policy lynch him, not sure if there's much we can do at this vantage point.

[DarknessB]

Darkness, don't think you're off the hook, but I want to pressure Yukitaka into taking this a little more seriously.

Yukitaka Oni

Yuki already claimed Town before any pressure was put on him. It was rather unfortunate, in terms of a premature role reveal...

[MattZed]

Yuki already claimed Town before any pressure was put on him. It was rather unfortunate, in terms of a premature role reveal...
Claims are basically meaningless in this setup. Only worthwhile claim is cop, which is either a last-effort cop save or a risky gambit. (Which I am fine punishing to make sure mafia cant call cop)

[DarknessB]

Claims are basically meaningless in this setup. Only worthwhile claim is cop, which is either a last-effort cop save or a risky gambit. (Which I am fine punishing to make sure mafia cant call cop)

You're missing the point though -- as both Frog and I pointed out earlier, Yuki is very new so presumably he's not as comfortable lying. He's said that he's not Cop, which means the Mafia is unlikely to target him, which means one less meat shield to protect the actual Cop. The point of Citizen / Town is to take a bullet for the TPRs. Yuki said he wasn't the TPR, which makes the Mafia's job easier, unless he's lying of course.

[SuperJack]

SuperJack feels UnSuperDarkness has not learnt his lesson. SuperJack sees he is acting exactly like SuperScum again when I Superpoke him.

[MattZed]

You're missing the point though -- as both Frog and I pointed out earlier, Yuki is very new so presumably he's not as comfortable lying. He's said that he's not Cop, which means the Mafia is unlikely to target him, which means one less meat shield to protect the actual Cop. The point of Citizen / Town is to take a bullet for the TPRs. Yuki said he wasn't the TPR, which makes the Mafia's job easier, unless he's lying of course.
Yuki is not new, lol. We havent see Yuki in a while because she was banned from games for a while for ruining a game at LYLO/MYLO by pm'ing another player to just hammer her.

[DarknessB]

SuperJack feels UnSuperDarkness has not learnt his lesson. SuperJack sees he is acting exactly like SuperScum again when I Superpoke him.

Sigh, your reads are terrible as usual, SuperJack. In that last game, you could have cared less if I were scum -- you were just after the hammer vote, ika.

If you really think I'm scum, go ahead and keep your vote on me -- we can chat about how foolish you were post-game, lol.

[DarknessB]

Yuki is not new, lol. We havent see Yuki in a while because she was banned from games for a while for ruining a game at LYLO/MYLO by pm'ing another player to just hammer her.

Yeah, it's Yuki's second game, the first of which ended with a rules violation a long time ago. I'd consider that pretty new on the whole, lol.

[SuperJack]

Sigh, your reads are terrible as usual, SuperJack. In that last game, you could have cared less if I were scum -- you were just after the hammer vote, ika.

If you really think I'm scum, go ahead and keep your vote on me -- we can chat about how foolish you were post-game, lol.

SuperJack would like to remind DarknessB. That in the Superlast game. If SuperJack was not hammered, his goal was to either be Superconverted or Superkilled.
SuperJack would like to then point out. That his Tunnel Day1 being a hacker was priority.

[Yukitaka Oni]

How about just lynch me if you guy consider (one less) meat shield already? That solve all the problem

[DarknessB]

How about just lynch me if you guy consider (one less) meat shield already? That solve all the problem

Because the point is to lynch the Mafia. Why would you ask us to lynch you if you're claiming Town? Wasn't this what happened when you got in trouble that last time?

[SuperJack]

SuperJacks List of SuperResults:

Night 1=7v2
Day 2= 6v2
(Considering 1 Mafia votes last second, or a bad Cop/Fake cop lynch)
Night 2=5v2
Day 3=4v2
Night 3=4v1
Day 4=3v1



Which SuperMeans. From My SuperView. This Supergame will end up as by SuperDay 4. Aslong as Mafia lynch a townie SuperTomorrow. Which they can do by Superclaiming Cop Superconvincingly.
SuperJacks counter to this is double lynch both cop and fake cop claim Supertomorrow.

SuperLeaving the Mafia, the only chance of winning is Supervoting Day 2, Last SuperSecond.

Super also things. With this, SuperTown can afford a SuperLynch today.

Night 1=6v2
Day 2= 5v2
(Considering 1 Mafia votes last second, or a bad Cop/Fake cop lynch)
Night 2=4v2
Day 3=3v2
Night 3=3v1
Day 4=2v1

[Firebringer]

Ohhh god, can we not lynch Superjack this game?

HE IS SO ANNNOYING LOL

[SuperJack]

Ohhh god, can we not lynch Superjack this game?

HE IS SO ANNNOYING LOL

SuperJack just Supersaid you can Superlynch someone Supertoday.
Are you super not super reading?

Suuuuuuup.
Er.

SuperJack would like to say. That SuperAnnoying is a SuperValid reason to SuperLynch today.

SuperJack Superoffers his Superself.



SuperJack was very upset you did not say SuperAnnoying.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Because the point is to lynch the Mafia. Why would you ask us to lynch you if you're claiming Town? Wasn't this what happened when you got in trouble that last time?
The motto of the game is trust no one, then what should i do? Not voting with town and waiting to die??? Or doing nothing??? Oh nevermind.....agree...not lynch me...for now

[Firebringer]

SuperJack just Supersaid you can Superlynch someone Supertoday.
Are you super not super reading?

Suuuuuuup.
Er.

SuperJack would like to say. That SuperAnnoying is a SuperValid reason to SuperLynch today.

SuperJack Superoffers his Superself.



SuperJack was very upset you did not say SuperAnnoying.

I so hope we either A) Lynch you B) You get killed tonight.

Come on, mafia if SuperJack isn't with you, please for the love of god kill him.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Ohhh god, can we not lynch Superjack this game?

HE IS SO ANNNOYING LOL
Voting him here sir, if you insist

[SuperJack]

I so hope we either A) Lynch you B) You get killed tonight.

Come on, mafia if SuperJack isn't with you, please for the love of god kill him.

SuperJack thinks SuperJack will Superleave a lastwill on everpost you make.

HOW?

You mean, SUPERHOW?

Because

-SuperLW

[SuperJack]

Voting him here sir, if you insist

SuperJack least expected the SuperRussian to SuperVote him.
SuperJack expected more.

[DarknessB]

The motto of the game is trust no one, then what should i do? Not voting with town and waiting to die??? Or doing nothing??? Oh nevermind.....agree...not lynch me...for now

Yuki, you're killing me here. If you're Town, the goal is to identify and lynch the Mafia. I can think of very few situations where it would be advantageous to get yourself lynched as a Townie, which you claim to be. Yes, you have to careful trusting people, but you yourself claimed Town so why would you want to be lynched? The only role that makes sense for is Jester and there aren't any Jesters in the setup, lol.

What we all should be doing right now is trying to determine who the Mafia is based on peoples' posts and conduct.

[Firebringer]

SuperJack, there is no goddamn jester in this game.

Stop acting like one now!

[SuperJack]

SuperJack want a SuperAutoplay video, repeating the words SuperJack, Or other Super related words.
Is this allowed Superhost? Superjack will only post it every 51 posts.

[SuperJack]

Yuki, you're killing me here. If you're Town, the goal is to identify and lynch the Mafia. I can think of very few situations where it would be advantageous to get yourself lynched as a Townie, which you claim to be. Yes, you have to careful trusting people, but you yourself claimed Town so why would you want to be lynched? The only role that makes sense for is Jester and there aren't any Jesters in the setup, lol.

What we all should be doing right now is trying to determine who the Mafia is based on peoples' posts and conduct.

SuperJack knows you have missed some Superother things to do in the super mean time.

[DarknessB]

SuperJack want a SuperAutoplay video, repeating the words SuperJack, Or other Super related words.
Is this allowed Superhost? Superjack will only post it every 51 posts.

And I'm the one who was at L-1 earlier today...

[SuperJack]

SuperJack, there is no goddamn jester in this game.

Stop acting like one now!

SuperNO.

[Firebringer]

I totally forgot, is suicide in this game allowed?

Must now go check before I have a Superaneurysm

[Helz]

My erratic play has given me a 5 win streak. Don't you even try.

I actually didn't realize you were L-1.
These statements do not belong together..

And Dat nigga Yuki has a steeeeeeep learning curve ahead of him

@Yuki- Expect that if town wins this game it will be through 100% vote analysis. If we are extremely lucky the cop will find 1 mafia but I would not bet on it. Sharpen up dem scum hunting skills brah

[DarknessB]

I totally forgot, is suicide in this game allowed?

Must now go check before I have a Superaneurysm

Amazing how the quality of play was so high in your recent game and this game has gone to shit already within 8 pages of posts. I feel like I'm playing on a different site or something -- sigh.

[Firebringer]

Helz, talk to me.

You are sane, I am sane.

What you think of SuperJack?

Think he is annoying Town trying to direct NK to him?

[Helz]

I should have said chat analysis in the above post..

[Firebringer]

darkness, the vote on stealthbomber is bad. You should move it somewhere productive.

Like SuperJack.

[Helz]

I think Superjack and Frog are both attempting new play styles. Superjacks would be an effective scum move because it inclines players to ignore his posts but its over all neutral. If he keeps it up and D2 we have no leads we could always policy lynch..

[DarknessB]

Helz, talk to me.

You are sane, I am sane.

What you think of SuperJack?

Think he is annoying Town trying to direct NK to him?

I don't think anyone has ever described the Bringer of Fire as being sane, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for your hypothetical. :)

SuperJack could be trying to draw the Mafia's night kill. He doesn't seem stupid enough to troll this hard in a non-Jester setup without a reason? It's so over the top though, maybe he's just messing around? If not, it seems insanely transparent to me. Or maybe he's attempting to double fake us out by running this gambit, but actually being scum? Not sure honestly.

[SuperJack]

SuperJack laughs at FireBringer.

SuperJack sees Firebringer trying to make reasonings for SuperJacks actions. YET SuperJack has no legit actions. SuperJack only has his Super Ability of Supererernersss?

SuperJack would like to see thought from SuperfireBringer about certain players:

DarknessB and The Russian.

SuperJack hopes you obey. Or their will be Superunwanted results.

[Firebringer]

hmmm the more I think about Darkness, the more I am starting to think he is scum in this.

I don't know how I feel about this.

[SuperJack]

I think Superjack and Frog are both attempting new play styles. Superjacks would be an effective scum move because it inclines players to ignore his posts but its over all neutral. If he keeps it up and D2 we have no leads we could always policy lynch..

SuperJack Punches you with his SuperElbow.

SuperJack remind Helz, that SuperDay2's day is Taken up by the "SuperPlan"

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yuki, you're killing me here. If you're Town, the goal is to identify and lynch the Mafia. I can think of very few situations where it would be advantageous to get yourself lynched as a Townie, which you claim to be. Yes, you have to careful trusting people, but you yourself claimed Town so why would you want to be lynched? The only role that makes sense for is Jester and there aren't any Jesters in the setup, lol.

What we all should be doing right now is trying to determine who the Mafia is based on peoples' posts and conduct.
Fine.. I stop posting now, since I'm useless and clueless for day 1.

[DarknessB]

I think Superjack and Frog are both attempting new play styles. Superjacks would be an effective scum move because it inclines players to ignore his posts but its over all neutral. If he keeps it up and D2 we have no leads we could always policy lynch..

I find both playstyles extremely annoying / unhelpful for the Town. Frog is usually a very thoughtful player so having his posts cut off into short talking points doesn't let us read much into his analysis. SuperJack's playstyle is annoying for the purpose of being annoying, so maybe it's a gambit to hide as scum?

[SuperJack]

Fine.. I stop posting now, since I'm useless and clueless for day 1.

SuperJack want you to post more. SuperJack wants to know what you think about Firebringer and DarknessB

[Helz]

Stealth will probably always look like scum. His plays lack logic which makes it very easy to build a scum case on him in a game. (Last game I believe I actually planned on using this to lock down the game for a scum win.) Until he starts putting thought into his posts he will always be lynchbait and moderately hard to effectively read. Although if he is scum read there is the advantage of a sort of "less harmful misslynch risk"

[DarknessB]

Also, I like how the only one who isn't acting nutty or testing out some nutty playstyle in this game (Helz) is the one with a vote on me. I am so disappointed already and this game just begun. So much for expanding upon high quality games like Fire's last one.

[SuperJack]

I find both playstyles extremely annoying / unhelpful for the Town. Frog is usually a very thoughtful player so having his posts cut off into short talking points doesn't let us read much into his analysis. SuperJack's playstyle is annoying for the purpose of being annoying, so maybe it's a gambit to hide as scum?

SuperJack is again Superlaughing at Un-SuperDarkness.

THE ENGLISH is no match for you. Super under Stand this.

SuperJack will write a poem if 1 more person votes him.

[Firebringer]

Here is my lynching pool of who I am willing to lynch today in order of significance:

SuperJack-FOR BEING TOO MUCH JACK

DarknessB-I got a bad feeling on him.

Helz-He is so good as scum, I fear him.

Slaol-He could be scum he isn't contributing much, but he could easily be town too.


NOT LYNCHING:

Yukitaka-Town, enough said.

MattZed-I need my deputy sheriff jailor to shield me from night kills and lynches.

Stealthbombom-Do I need to go over this?

Frog-I don't think frog would be this annoying too unless he was town.

[Toadette]

SuperJack want a SuperAutoplay video, repeating the words SuperJack, Or other Super related words.
Is this allowed Superhost? Superjack will only post it every 51 posts.


Rules:
Images/videos/colored chat allowed, but don't be excessive about it.

No auto play though per forum rules.

Also, unless a clarification is needed on something unclear in the setup, I won't answer any more questions like this.


I totally forgot, is suicide in this game allowed?


Suicide is not allowed.

[DarknessB]

Stealth will probably always look like scum. His plays lack logic which makes it very easy to build a scum case on him in a game. (Last game I believe I actually planned on using this to lock down the game for a scum win.) Until he starts putting thought into his posts he will always be lynchbait and moderately hard to effectively read. Although if he is scum read there is the advantage of a sort of "less harmful misslynch risk"

Yeah, let me remind everyone that we could have won Fire's game very easily if Stealth just went along with my plan and voted Frog along with me and RLVG. Instead, because he was buddying up with the Neutral Evil as a Townie, we had to lynch Stealth even though most of us thought he was Town, and it turned out that he was planting FBI Agent bombs on all the Townies in the interim. Stealth is an odd duck, but unfortunately, I don't think you can read too much into his play in terms of easy scumreads.

[Firebringer]

Suicide is not allowed.
I looked at the rules, it is nowhere stated this.

BAD HOST! BAD!

I asked this when you first posted the setup :P

[Firebringer]

Yeah, let me remind everyone that we could have won Fire's game very easily if Stealth just went along with my plan and voted Frog along with me and RLVG. Instead, because he was buddying up with the Neutral Evil as a Townie, we had to lynch Stealth even though most of us thought he was Town, and it turned out that he was planting FBI Agent bombs on all the Townies in the interim. Stealth is an odd duck, but unfortunately, I don't think you can read too much into his play in terms of easy scumreads.
I read him as town, how do you not?

[Helz]

Personally I am not a fan of middle ground plays. They work ok 'sometimes' but more often than not it just gives scum the excuse they need to misslynch and it puts the town in a very bad position in the late game. I also think if anything (Assuming Superjack is not scum) the scum team would want to kill a town voice over him and keep him alive to help derail the town.

And Frogs posts have content. It is just worded differently. I still see him as contributing the same just in a different way. And even if he dropped the gambit he is always townread regardless of alignment.


Fine.. I stop posting now, since I'm useless and clueless for day 1.
Every single day this game will be exactly like this. If your going to play you have to start looking at players posts and try to see 'why' they posted that. Look at their posts and see if you can see scum motivation behind them.

For example:
Your post right there could easily be a scum play to excuse not posting and being ignored D1. Holding that attitude excuses you from scum hunting and posting in a way that could be read which would give you an advantage.
(See what I did there?)

[DarknessB]

I read him as town, how do you not?

I have a null read on him because of his peculiar playstyle, which I don't think changes based on whether he's Town or scum. Stealth is Stealth in terms of odd play -- that's what I'm saying. He's Slaol except instead of being standoffish, he's quirky.

[Firebringer]

Well if Frog is not scum, I suspect he would be the NK tonight.

[DarknessB]

Well if Frog is not scum, I suspect he would be the NK tonight.

Given we have no Doctor, Mafia has carte blanche to lynch whomever they want. I suppose they could also WIFOM us and not kill Frog to make us think he is scum though.

[SuperJack]

Personally I am not a fan of middle ground plays. They work ok 'sometimes' but more often than not it just gives scum the excuse they need to misslynch and it puts the town in a very bad position in the late game. I also think if anything (Assuming Superjack is not scum) the scum team would want to kill a town voice over him and keep him alive to help derail the town.

And Frogs posts have content. It is just worded differently. I still see him as contributing the same just in a different way. And even if he dropped the gambit he is always townread regardless of alignment.


Every single day this game will be exactly like this. If your going to play you have to start looking at players posts and try to see 'why' they posted that. Look at their posts and see if you can see scum motivation behind them.

For example:
Your post right there could easily be a scum play to excuse not posting and being ignored D1. Holding that attitude excuses you from scum hunting and posting in a way that could be read which would give you an advantage.
(See what I did there?)

SuperJack sees you SuperDefending SuperJack
SuperJack would like to point out. That Scum -WANT- to defend a SuperShit Townie SuperJack.
It gives you SuperPoints when my Superrole flips.

[Firebringer]

Well top town voices:
Helz, DarknessB, and Frog.

Lets assume all three are town for this.

Which one is most likely NK?
Well I still think Helz or Frog.

I personally think I could manipulate Darkness easier than Frog or Helz (No Offense Darkness)

[DarknessB]

Personally I am not a fan of middle ground plays. They work ok 'sometimes' but more often than not it just gives scum the excuse they need to misslynch and it puts the town in a very bad position in the late game. I also think if anything (Assuming Superjack is not scum) the scum team would want to kill a town voice over him and keep him alive to help derail the town.

And Frogs posts have content. It is just worded differently. I still see him as contributing the same just in a different way. And even if he dropped the gambit he is always townread regardless of alignment.


Every single day this game will be exactly like this. If your going to play you have to start looking at players posts and try to see 'why' they posted that. Look at their posts and see if you can see scum motivation behind them.

For example:
Your post right there could easily be a scum play to excuse not posting and being ignored D1. Holding that attitude excuses you from scum hunting and posting in a way that could be read which would give you an advantage.
(See what I did there?)

Yeah, this is just how Forum Mafia works Yuki, especially an FM game without a lot of TPRs. It's all about analyzing posts and trying to read each player's intent. It's a lot more cerebral than the quick day, TPR heavy, night-action-driven SC2 mod games. You'll get used to it, but just try to follow along and offer whatever observations you have on different players and how they are acting.

[Helz]

Also, I like how the only one who isn't acting nutty or testing out some nutty playstyle in this game (Helz) is the one with a vote on me. I am so disappointed already and this game just begun. So much for expanding upon high quality games like Fire's last one.

The issue here is that we skipped RvS. I pressured hard the other game to break RvS because it was useless. The setup was very complex and we had plenty to use to talk/plan which could draw reads. (Keep in mind that through half of D1 I did not know I was scum and was playing under the assumption that I was town until I was about to get PoD lynched and needed to make sure he was not my team mate)

With that said- The purpose of RvS is to generate content to talk about. You can look at players votes and the reasoning behind them, then FoS someone and build a pressure train. Then you can look at how they react and how others participated in that train and build on it until you have a day full of content..

[DarknessB]

Well top town voices:
Helz, DarknessB, and Frog.

Lets assume all three are town for this.

Which one is most likely NK?
Well I still think Helz or Frog.

I personally think I could manipulate Darkness easier than Frog or Helz (No Offense Darkness)

I would think Helz just based on his posts being more comprehensive (on account of Frog's odd short post gambit).

And no offense re: your second point -- I am less experienced than Helz and Frog, who are both very crafty veterans.

[Stealthbombomb16]

I'm on board with a day 1 lynch.

This is probably the best reads I've gotten day 1.

Give me a moment to think and I'll place my vote.

[Stealthbombomb16]

DarknessB

Take this as an informative vote.

Feel free to take him to L-1 but not beyond. If you hammer you die day 2.

[SuperJack]

Well top town voices:
Helz, DarknessB, and Frog.

Lets assume all three are town for this.

Which one is most likely NK?
Well I still think Helz or Frog.

I personally think I could manipulate Darkness easier than Frog or Helz (No Offense Darkness)

SuperJack sees that when you say "Town Voices" You mean
Voices that are not trolling and active.
Superjack is unhappy with this view. As you are suggesting that SuperHelz or SuperFrog and Un-SuperDarknessB are all town. And that SuperScum will kill them. SuperJack would like you to know he thinks that Scum can easily be Actively Super-Town Day One.

[Helz]

We could consider low risk lynches for D1 (Stealth, Slaol, Yukitaka) if players are dead set on a lynch and we have no real lead at the end of the day. But its a semi random play and I do not feel we will be able to build much logic behind it. The real benefit would be seeing how players build or fight the train.

[SuperJack]

DarknessB

Take this as an informative vote.

Feel free to take him to L-1 but not beyond. If you hammer you die day 2.

SuperJack would like to remind you that Supertomorrow is SuperPlanSuperDay2. And no directScumSuperLynches will happen.

[Firebringer]

We could consider low risk lynches for D1 (Stealth, Slaol, Yukitaka) if players are dead set on a lynch and we have no real lead at the end of the day. But its a semi random play and I do not feel we will be able to build much logic behind it. The real benefit would be seeing how players build or fight the train.

Okay this post reeks of scum logic.

I was waiting for Helz to say something scummy.

[Helz]

Although I should note that Slaol is a very good player. He just generally chooses to be very unproductive in chat which is a huge part of this game.

[Helz]

Okay this post reeks of scum logic.

I was waiting for Helz to say something scummy.

I can say all the scummy shit in the world. We both know you can not read me right now : P

[SuperJack]

We could consider low risk lynches for D1 (Stealth, Slaol, Yukitaka) if players are dead set on a lynch and we have no real lead at the end of the day. But its a semi random play and I do not feel we will be able to build much logic behind it. The real benefit would be seeing how players build or fight the train.

SuperJack would like to remind Superhelz that Day1 lynch is something we can cost. if Supereveyone follows the plan tommorrow

SuperJack would also like to give you SuperScumSuperPoints for ignoring Superjacks post about you. Superjack would like to Superday that you are avoiding Superattention because you are SuperScum

[DarknessB]

I'm on board with a day 1 lynch.

This is probably the best reads I've gotten day 1.

Give me a moment to think and I'll place my vote.

Stealth, we have to lynch today. If we don't, it goes to a tiebreaker and if we still can't break the tie, Toadette randomly lynches someone among abstainers. There's no option man -- please read the setup rules.

[Stealthbombomb16]

SuperJack would like to remind you that Supertomorrow is SuperPlanSuperDay2. And no directScumSuperLynches will happen.

Can you add a spoiler with the non-super translation? The only way this gets more annoying is if you put it into marquee and its Bruno saying it.

Also, I disagree with no lynching day 2 if we have a good lead.

[Firebringer]

I can say all the scummy shit in the world. We both know you can not read me right now : P

You are begging me to vote you right now.

[SuperJack]

I can say all the scummy shit in the world. We both know you can not read me right now : P

SuperJack would like to remind now Un-SuperHelz that SuperJack can see into all Americans.

[Stealthbombomb16]

Stealth, we have to lynch today. If we don't, it goes to a tiebreaker and if we still can't break the tie, Toadette randomly lynches someone among abstainers. There's no option man -- please read the setup rules.

Thanks for reminding me of this.

[Helz]

SuperJack would like to remind Superhelz that Day1 lynch is something we can cost. if Supereveyone follows the plan tommorrow

SuperJack would also like to give you SuperScumSuperPoints for ignoring Superjacks post about you. Superjack would like to Superday that you are avoiding Superattention because you are SuperScum

You choose to post like shit, I choose to ignore you. Deal with it brah : )

[Stealthbombomb16]

I can say all the scummy shit in the world. We both know you can not read me right now : P

This post is scummy.

[SuperJack]

SuperJack would like to remind the Bomb guy. The Superplan tomorrow is to let all but the Cop + innocent Town die via Abstaining. (Unless Cop finds Scum, or Fake Cop claims)

ALL ABSTAINERS DIE.

[Stealthbombomb16]

You choose to post like shit, I choose to ignore you. Deal with it brah : )

This post makes me think you're Town (role)

[Helz]

You are begging me to vote you right now.

You could put a train on me. But its impossible to read me so it would be as good as going to random.org and picking your vote that way.

[SuperJack]

You choose to post like shit, I choose to ignore you. Deal with it brah : )

SuperJack Superlaughs at you.

[DarknessB]

SuperJack would like to remind the Bomb guy. The Superplan tomorrow is to let all but the Cop + innocent Town die via Abstaining. (Unless Cop finds Scum, or Fake Cop claims)

ALL ABSTAINERS DIE.

So basically you're on board with the MattZed plan? Seems like Frog was against that. Fire and Helz, what do you guys think about it?

[Stealthbombomb16]

SuperJack would like to remind the Bomb guy. The Superplan tomorrow is to let all but the Cop + innocent Town die via Abstaining. (Unless Cop finds Scum, or Fake Cop claims)

ALL ABSTAINERS DIE.

How does this work?

All scum has to do is place a vote and your plan is foiled.

[Stealthbombomb16]

You could put a train on me. But its impossible to read me so it would be as good as going to random.org and picking your vote that way.

Ladies and gentlemen....

MIKECALL JUNIOR!

The person who acts so scummy that you know he's town.

[SuperJack]

So basically you're on board with the MattZed plan? Seems like Frog was against that. Fire and Helz, what do you guys think about it?

SuperJack loved the plan. SuperJack did show what happens if the plan is followed.

[SuperJack]

How does this work?

All scum has to do is place a vote and your plan is foiled.

Then scum is lynched next day

DO I HAVE TO SUPER FUCKING SHOW THAT POST AGAIN I MADE?

[Firebringer]

Ladies and gentlemen....

MIKECALL JUNIOR!

The person who acts so scummy that you know he's town.

I thought we called that a Ika?

[Helz]

So basically you're on board with the MattZed plan? Seems like Frog was against that. Fire and Helz, what do you guys think about it?

I think its a shit plan. Someone will fake claim cop to protect the cop and look for the scum and the cop will CC. Then everything is fucked, The cop is revealed, The town scumreads a town pulling a gambit, and the scum laugh their way to a misslynch.

[SuperJack]

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PLAN IS FOLLOWED.


SuperJacks List of SuperResults:

Night 1=7v2
Day 2= 6v2
(Considering 1 Mafia votes last second, or a bad Cop/Fake cop lynch)
Night 2=5v2
Day 3=4v2
Night 3=4v1
Day 4=3v1



Which SuperMeans. From My SuperView. This Supergame will end up as by SuperDay 4. Aslong as Mafia lynch a townie SuperTomorrow. Which they can do by Superclaiming Cop Superconvincingly.
SuperJacks counter to this is double lynch both cop and fake cop claim Supertomorrow.

SuperLeaving the Mafia, the only chance of winning is Supervoting Day 2, Last SuperSecond.

Super also things. With this, SuperTown can afford a SuperLynch today.

Night 1=6v2
Day 2= 5v2
(Considering 1 Mafia votes last second, or a bad Cop/Fake cop lynch)
Night 2=4v2
Day 3=3v2
Night 3=3v1
Day 4=2v1

[DarknessB]

I thought we called that a Ika?

An ika is more like zero posts, forgetting to take any night action, and not giving Town feedback he receives. :)

[SuperJack]

I think its a shit plan. Someone will fake claim cop to protect the cop and look for the scum and the cop will CC. Then everything is fucked, The cop is revealed, The town scumreads a town pulling a gambit, and the scum laugh their way to a misslynch.

Then we lynch both Cops.

And: NO TOWN CLAIMS COP

[Helz]

Oh, Or the scum claims cop, the cop CC's / The cop claims cop, the scum CC's and we are left right back where we started but with a 2p situation. Our counter there could be to lynch them both, then pick 1 player at random and repeat the process. In that case it could work.. It would end up with a decent % chance of success so long as it is totally random.

But for anything to have a chance in hell no fake cop claims can be allowed.

[Stealthbombomb16]

An ika is more like zero posts, forgetting to take any night action, and not giving Town feedback he receives. :)

ika doesn't post enough to read.

Helz doesn't need to post that much to be read.

[Helz]

Can we vote for a no lynch and use that to prevent a tie-breaker?

[Firebringer]

I am willing to put Darkness at L-1, but I kinda feel like our meta will have someone quick hammer that shit.

So I am kinda feel like waiting a bit.

[Helz]

ika doesn't post enough to read.

Helz doesn't need to post that much to be read.

You can not read me today. It is 100% impossible.

[Firebringer]

You can not read me today. It is 100% impossible.

He is saying he didn't read his role card.

[Toadette]

Can we vote for a no lynch and use that to prevent a tie-breaker?
No. The mechanic is in place to ensure a lynch every day.

[Stealthbombomb16]

I see SuperJack's plan, its just so full of holes that I'm surprised its even a plan.

1. Mafia does not have to fakeclaim cop.
2. The only benefit in fakeclaiming cop is one mislynch, then you die next day. Thats not a favorable trade unless it's MYLO/LYLO.
3. Mafia can still vote. I see no counter to this in your plan, despite your Super Sayain so.

SuperJack

I believe this is the best place for my vote now.

[SuperJack]

Oh, Or the scum claims cop, the cop CC's / The cop claims cop, the scum CC's and we are left right back where we started but with a 2p situation. Our counter there could be to lynch them both, then pick 1 player at random and repeat the process. In that case it could work.. It would end up with a decent % chance of success so long as it is totally random.

But for anything to have a chance in hell no fake cop claims can be allowed.

SuperExactly.
Would prefer in a Cop vs Cop situation that the decision ISN'T RANDOM, but based on reads. Yet a Cop/FCop is still SuperLynched

[SuperJack]

I see SuperJack's plan, its just so full of holes that I'm surprised its even a plan.

1. Mafia does not have to fakeclaim cop.
2. The only benefit in fakeclaiming cop is one mislynch, then you die next day. Thats not a favorable trade unless it's MYLO/LYLO.
3. Mafia can still vote. I see no counter to this in your plan, despite your Super Sayain so.

SuperJack

I believe this is the best place for my vote now.

Its not my Superplan though.

[Stealthbombomb16]

-vote DarknessB

Ugh, I can't decide. I'll stick with DarknessB.

Fire, put it up to L-1. I want to see how he reacts to this pressure.

[DarknessB]

I am willing to put Darkness at L-1, but I kinda feel like our meta will have someone quick hammer that shit.

So I am kinda feel like waiting a bit.

I am one of your top three Town reads and you're going to put me on the edge of a hammer? How does that make any sense?

[Firebringer]

I am the leading sheep.

DarknessB

Anyone who hammers will die tomorrow!

[Stealthbombomb16]

I will not stick to your super(scummy)plan.

[DarknessB]

He is saying he didn't read his role card.

Except that was required by the host to start the game, lol.

[Helz]

So D1 9 players- 1 lynch (Lets assume town)
N1 1 kill
D2 7 players- We pull this gambit, Scum vote flops last second, town is lynched
N2 1 kill (Cop is killed)
D3 5 players, We lynch 1 scum who vote flopped on D2
N3 1 kill
D4 3 players- 2 town 1 scum. Its lynch or loose

This is how this plan will play out. 100%

[Firebringer]

Except that was required by the host to start the game, lol.

Well I told host I was mafia, so I could see Helz doing something cheesy like that.

[Stealthbombomb16]

I am the leading sheep.

DarknessB

Anyone who hammers will die tomorrow!

Good boy.

[Helz]

So D1 9 players- 1 lynch (Lets assume town)
N1 1 kill
D2 7 players- We pull this gambit, Scum vote flops last second, town is lynched
N2 1 kill (Cop is killed)
D3 5 players, We lynch 1 scum who vote flopped on D2
N3 1 kill
D4 3 players- 2 town 1 scum. Its lynch or loose

This is how this plan will play out. 100%

My point here is that this gives the town a 33% chance of winning unless we are 'super lucky' and lynch a scum D1. If you guys really want to take that risk.. Just Lawl

[Firebringer]

Good boy.

You realize your vote isn't on Darkness, right?

[Stealthbombomb16]

So D1 9 players- 1 lynch (Lets assume town)
N1 1 kill
D2 7 players- We pull this gambit, Scum vote flops last second, town is lynched
N2 1 kill (Cop is killed)
D3 5 players, We lynch 1 scum who vote flopped on D2
N3 1 kill
D4 3 players- 2 town 1 scum. Its lynch or loose

This is how this plan will play out. 100%

So you're planning on lynching me and fire day 2?

Who are you planning to "gambit" on?

[Stealthbombomb16]

You realize your vote isn't on Darkness, right?

fml fire.

Fake votes man

[Stealthbombomb16]

-vote DarknessB

Lets try this for real.

[Firebringer]

-vote DarknessB

Lets try this for real.

Well I am tired of your fake votes.
Stealthbombomb16

[Stealthbombomb16]

Well I am tired of your fake votes.
Stealthbombomb16

Come on...

Plan:
Catch scum trying to hammer
Turn train
Lynch scum day one

Firebringer

This is a real vote.

[Firebringer]

Come on...

Plan:
Catch scum trying to hammer
Turn train
Lynch scum day one

Firebringer

This is a real vote.

Stealth you are being so idiotic, if scum did hammer we would get them tomorrow.
You realize that right?

[Stealthbombomb16]

Stealth you are being so idiotic, if scum did hammer we would get them tomorrow.
You realize that right?

...

And we lose a towny day 1 and a full lynch tomorrow

I realize that losing a towny day 1 and a lynch tomorrow isn't as good as lynching a scum day 1 and winning tomorrow. Do you?

[SuperJack]

Thinking.
This Plan -WILL NOT- work with Only 1 Cop and 1 Innocented player.

All it takes is Scum to vote another player to make tie and Scum win

[Firebringer]

...

And we lose a towny day 1 and a full lynch tomorrow

I realize that losing a towny day 1 and a lynch tomorrow isn't as good as lynching a scum day 1 and winning tomorrow. Do you?

To make a omelet, you need to break a few eggs.

I am not here trying to win this game in two days. I am here trying to win this game.

You can be idealistic as you want to be, but chances are we are going to make a mistake or two, and you should prepare for those. Also don't pretend your method will grant you 100% success rate. Cause it aint perfect :P

[Helz]

So D1 9 players- 1 lynch (Lets assume town)
N1 1 kill
D2 7 players- We pull this plan, Scum vote flops last second, town is lynched
N2 1 kill (Cop is killed)
D3 5 players, We lynch 1 scum who vote flopped on D2
N3 1 kill
D4 3 players- 2 town 1 scum. Its lynch or loose

This is how this plan will play out. 100%

I made it bigger and white so you can not miss it. So if we take into account the 22% chance of lynching a scum on D1 and the 33% situation on the D4 lynch or loose situation what we end up with is a shit situation. Just saying.

[SuperJack]

If people want to follow the plan it will have to be done DAY 3

[SuperJack]

So D1 9 players- 1 lynch (Lets assume town)
N1 1 kill
D2 7 players- We pull this plan, Scum vote flops last second, town is lynched
N2 1 kill (Cop is killed)
D3 5 players, We lynch 1 scum who vote flopped on D2
N3 1 kill
D4 3 players- 2 town 1 scum. Its lynch or loose

This is how this plan will play out. 100%

I made it bigger and white so you can not miss it. So if we take into account the 22% chance of lynching a scum on D1 and the 33% situation on the D4 lynch or loose situation what we end up with is a shit situation. Just saying.

YOU HAVE NOT THOUGHT THIS THROUGH.

This is not 100% how the plan will go.

[SuperJack]

Bahhhhh Fuck the plan.

The Mafia can always vote last seoncd, get the rest of the abstainers killed and WHALAH, Instant loss for town.

[Helz]

I will only support this plan if we lynch a scum D1-D3. If this happens it locks in the win. We can keep it in mind for that situation but it really is a shit plan as is.

And I can guarantee that is how it will play out (Other than the D1 lynch) because I just laid out the optimal counter for it. Scum will follow that shit because its the best play and turns this plan from a way for town to win into an excellent chance for scum to win.

[Firebringer]

Plan for today: Lynch Scum
Plan for other days: We will get to it when we get to it.


^^This is how I plan.

[SuperJack]

I will only support this plan if we lynch a scum D1-D3. If this happens it locks in the win. We can keep it in mind for that situation but it really is a shit plan as is.

And I can guarantee that is how it will play out (Other than the D1 lynch) because I just laid out the optimal counter for it. Scum will follow that shit because its the best play and turns this plan from a way for town to win into an excellent chance for scum to win.

For the plan to work. Their needs to be 3 confirmed town minimum. That is set in.

[Helz]

In other news if Yukitaka Oni does not come back before days end he will probably get my vote over darkness.

Policy lynch on a lack of participation is a thing : )

[SuperJack]

Helz

One does not SuperIgnore the British.

[Stealthbombomb16]

Helz

One does not SuperIgnore the British.

SuperJack

How many times have I truly voted today?

[DarknessB]

In other news if Yukitaka Oni does not come back before days end he will probably get my vote over darkness.

Policy lynch on a lack of participation is a thing : )

Believe Yuki is browsing the thread so he should post at some point and continue to participate. Are we putting Slaol into a separate pile for purposes of this policy lynch analysis? He's posted once and it was a complete throwaway post. That said, Slaol is Slaol and pressuring is unlikely to change that (as in our last game together).

[DarknessB]

SuperJack

How many times have I truly voted today?

Stealth, not sure if I find you annoy or funny -- you go back and forth between that line a lot, lol.

[Firebringer]

lol too many in this game who are anti town.

It would be easier to just lynch everyone who is pro town than figure out who is scum.

[Stealthbombomb16]

Stealth, not sure if I find you annoy or funny -- you go back and forth between that line a lot, lol.

Salsa

[SuperJack]

Salsa

SUPERSALSA

[MattZed]

1. I've thought my plan over some more and think it's too dependent on town having faster reactions than mafia; the idea would be that if Mafia try to last-minute vote, they get their ass handed to them by town last-minute voting them, leading to a D2 scum lynch rather than a D2 mislynch and needing to clean up D3.
2. I think we should agree on a general strategy of lynching the least useful person today to encourage tighter play for later days.
3. I dislike Frog's new posting style this game because he posts a lot of his opinions and leaves out the reasons behind them.

[SuperJack]

1. I've thought my plan over some more and think it's too dependent on town having faster reactions than mafia; the idea would be that if Mafia try to last-minute vote, they get their ass handed to them by town last-minute voting them, leading to a D2 scum lynch rather than a D2 mislynch and needing to clean up D3.
2. I think we should agree on a general strategy of lynching the least useful person today to encourage tighter play for later days.
3. I dislike Frog's new posting style this game because he posts a lot of his opinions and leaves out the reasons behind them.

SuuuuuuuuuuuuuuperJack!

[Stealthbombomb16]

SuuuuuuuuuuuuuuperJack!

Pikachu?
Pikaaaachu!

[DarknessB]

SuuuuuuuuuuuuuuperJack!

A couple of questions for SuperJack:

1. What have you been drinking exactly?
2. Can I get some of that please?

[Firebringer]

I swear SuperJack, you make another shit post like that. I am giving up on this game. Will not post until Day 2.