CLASSIC S-FM: Black Flag Nightless (10P)

[deathworlds]

Original Setup (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Black_Flag_Nightless)

RP
Irrelevent

Role List
Goon
Goon
Goon
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen


Goon
You share a day chat with the other goons
You have power in the vote
You do not have a factional kill of any sort.



Citizen
You have power in the vote


Special Mechanics
None

Mechanics
Days last 48 hours or when a lynch occurs
Nightless
The Mafia share a day chat.
Roles are revealed upon death
No last will or death notes
Lynches will be handled by the automated lynch system using [vote] tags, with a 51% hammer. If no lynch occurs then the player with the most votes will be lynched.
If a tie in the votes exist, a random player that shares the highest vote will be lynched.
Game starts day 1, with lynch.
Suicide will not be allowed.

OoO
1. Day start
2. Lynch
3. Day end
4. Repeat

Win Conditions
Mafia: Have 2 members survive to see only 3 Citizens alive.
Town: Have 4 members survive to see only 1 Goon alive.
To clarify, mafia loses when reduced to 1 member, and town loses when reduced to 3 members.

The Ten Commandments Rules:

1. Any player may be modkilled or replaced at host's discretion

2. White Bold Text shall not be used by mere mortals, this text shall be used only by me.

3. English shall be the only language used.

4. Do not post links to other websites.

5. Offensive videos/pictures shall not be tolerated.

6. Excessive insulting is not allowed.

7. Thou who edit or delete thine post shall be smited.

8. Directly quoting any PM's or Feedback by me is forbidden.

9. Usage of invisible ink is not allowed.

10. Communicating with players or through third parties about the game is strictly forbidden

[Slaol]

Town needs 6/7 of their members to vote a Goon for the Goon to be lynched.

[deathworlds]

Town needs 6/7 of their members to vote a Goon for the Goon to be lynched.

Fixing in accordiance to the original game...

EDIT: Fixed by enforcing a manditory lynch via plurality vote. If there is tie, a player between all tying players will be randomly lynched.

[MattZed]

Who wins if Mafia and Town go down to 1 and 3 with a tied-vote lynch?

Hot damn I just computed the probabilities and there's exactly a 50-50 chance of either side winning with random lynches.

[deathworlds]

Who wins if Mafia and Town go down to 1 and 3 with a tied-vote lynch?

Hot damn I just computed the probabilities and there's exactly a 50-50 chance of either side winning with random lynches.

That scenario is impossible, because the game would of ended before then.

And yes, mafiascum mathmatitions calculated winrates via random lynching to be equal.

[MattZed]

That scenario is impossible, because the game would of ended before then.

And yes, mafiascum mathmatitions calculated winrates via random lynching to be equal.
I mean a situation where there's a 4v2 and then the lynch mechanic causes a tied vote to lynch one town and one mafia.

[deathworlds]

I mean a situation where there's a 4v2 and then the lynch mechanic causes a tied vote to lynch one town and one mafia.

Tied vote to lynch would result in only 1 player being lynched.

[MattZed]

Tied vote to lynch would result in only 1 player being lynched.
My mistake; misread.

We should just have a month where every game is a nightless setup.

[Stealthbomber16]

My mistake; misread.

We should just have a month where every game is a nightless setup.

Pair this with Fableblood Twovern

[MattZed]

deathworlds, I'm ready to approve this for signups. If you can't host now, I'm approving Calix's game for our first game off of the vanilla queue.

[deathworlds]

deathworlds, I'm ready to approve this for signups. If you can't host now,'s game for our first game off of the vanilla queue.

Yeah I can host.

[MattZed]

Yeah I can host.

Approved for signups!

[deathworlds]

Changelog:

11/21/2016:
-Added a one time charge of the Goon's being able to manipulate the lynch, lynching a target of their choice instead of whomever.
-Added back to workshop, ready for review!

[deathworlds]

Approved for signups! You may post signups whenever you're ready!

deathworlds

[deathworlds]

Approved for signups! You may post signups whenever you're ready!

deathworlds

Of course, I'll get right on it!

[Frozen Angel]

:/

[Frozen Angel]

I don't know what are the scum/town ratio is more balanced in this site blitz games but 3 goons against 7 citizen in a night-less games would be counted inappropriate in mafia scum (with long deadlines the way its there) so yeah this might be ok after all. I'm really interested to see how this game will be played.

[Frozen Angel]

town currently needs to lynch 3 scum - and they have 3 mis lynch chance maybe removing 1 citizen makes it more fair

[Frozen Angel]

actually nevermind that I just realized 4v3 is a mafia win already because of the lynch manipulation thingi. but town needs to lynch 2 scum so its now 2 mislynch options and 2 lynch targets. its better than 3/3 but still , in a night-less game mafia needs a boost so maybe force town to lynch all 3 scums to win the game.

[deathworlds]

actually nevermind that I just realized 4v3 is a mafia win already because of the lynch manipulation thingi. but town needs to lynch 2 scum so its now 2 mislynch options and 2 lynch targets. its better than 3/3 but still , in a night-less game mafia needs a boost so maybe force town to lynch all 3 scums to win the game.

This game is balanced and true, no edits shall be made right before game is hosted.

[Frozen Angel]

But why not

[deathworlds]

But why not

Because the game was already determined to be slightly townsided last time it was hosted, adjustments were made to make the game slightly easier for scum.

[Frozen Angel]

the last game had this?

"mafia loses when reduced to 1 member, and town loses when reduced to 3 members."

I do agree the game seems balanced , I just don't understand why your adding such an end gamer

[deathworlds]

the last game had this?

"mafia loses when reduced to 1 member, and town loses when reduced to 3 members."

I do agree the game seems balanced , I just don't understand why your adding such an end gamer

The original setup had that in the first place, lol.

[Frozen Angel]

The original setup had that in the first place, lol.

But why it had it in the first place

[deathworlds]

But why it had it in the first place

Because that's how the setup was designed?

It's meant to provide a 50% winrate through random lynching.

[Frozen Angel]

Because that's how the setup was designed?

It's meant to provide a 50% winrate through random lynching.

A fair game - specially a nightless one gives scums a boost cause People are not robots.

but if you want math
removing one citizen (assuming everything is random and this won't be use as a tell for scum hunting - which is a faulty assumption from the core) the game is 6 v 3. Goons need to get 3 town lynched. town needs to get two scums down.

The chance of town win is = 1/12 + 2(1/14) + 3(5/84) = 0/08 + 0.14 + 0/17 = 0.39

so if thats your way for measuring balance your game is so scum sided.

[Frozen Angel]

My point is that percentage means absolutely nothing - as random lynching in games must be prohibited and extremely fraud upon.

but meh, I will keep my bad feeling about this to myself. It just feels bad, maybe just because its a nightless.

[Frozen Angel]

in case of random lynch in your 7v3 version : (town will win with 2 scum lynch/ scum will win with 4 town lynch)

town win rate = 1/15 + 2(7/120) + 3(1/20) + 4(1/24) = 0.51

you actually calculated this didn't you? :D our definitions of balance are very different but wow I respect your mathematical calculations

[deathworlds]

deathworlds

I'd like to host this again

[deathworlds]

deathworlds

I'd like to host this again

Hmmm, seems alright!

Approved!

Mesk514

[Mesk514]

READY FOR SIGN UPS

LETS GO
LETS GO
LETS GO

[deathworlds]

Hold up, lemmie put it in the queue first.

[deathworlds]

Hold up, lemmie put it in the queue first.

You may post signups!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Bump? Can't get into hosting atm, but this setup is kinda nice :D

By the way, I plan to start hosting stuff on summer since I don't work on that period. Can't promise you anything though.

[SuperJack]

Bump? Can't get into hosting atm, but this setup is kinda nice :D

By the way, I plan to start hosting stuff on summer since I don't work on that period. Can't promise you anything though.

Deal. This game will be held after Which which. Sign ups will open after the first day of both which which

[SuperJack]

Would also like to note, if you wish to host, but don't have the time. You can always co-host (Multiple hosts for one game) that way you will get to host, but have back up for any situations.

[Noz_Bugz]

If I had a clue about hosting I would host this... and if I had time.

[SuperJack]

If I had a clue about hosting I would host this... and if I had time.

If you ever fancy hosting anything, let me know. I can even offer assistance and answer any hosting questions if needed ^^

Feel free to create your own setup with your own unique flavour ^^

[Blinkykannn07]

If you ever fancy hosting anything, let me know. I can even offer assistance and answer any hosting questions if needed ^^

Feel free to create your own setup with your own unique flavour ^^

can i create a unique setup too?

[SuperJack]

can i create a unique setup too?

Yes. -anyone- can create a setup.

It will just need to be check by FM staff before you can post sign ups.

[Noz_Bugz]

Yes. -anyone- can create a setup.

It will just need to be check by FM staff before you can post sign ups.

I have ideas, just shit ideas for a setup.

[SuperJack]

I have ideas, just shit ideas for a setup.

They work. ^^ can always work together to make it work :p

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Bump =)

I'm planning on finding a way to have this hosted. If you'd like to host it, tell me!