S-FM 149: Double Mafia

[Cryptonic]

S-FM Double Mafia

Setup Thread: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32254-S-FM-Double-Mafia?p=494945




Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
SuperJack
Mikecall
Firebringer (#2)
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Citizen)
Stealthbomber16 (Consort)
ika (Doctor)



Game B:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
SuperJack
Mikecall
Firebringer (#2)
Cultist
Neutral
Mason
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Cultist)
Stealthbomber16 (Mason)
ika (Citizen)

[Cryptonic]

Day One


Game A:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
Firebringer
RLVG
deathworlds
ika
SuperJack
Mikecall
Hypersniper
Stealthbomber16
Fire Lord Slaolzin
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any




Game B:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
Firebringer
RLVG
deathworlds
ika
SuperJack
Mikecall
Hypersniper
Stealthbomber16
Fire Lord Slaolzin
Cultist
Neutral
Mason
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any




Day 1 ends in 48 hours at 10:00 PM EST, August 5, 2015 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+pm+est+August+5+2015).
With 10 players alive, it takes 6

[deathworlds]

Confirmed town in both setups, follow my leads to win gg

[Slaol]

One of my roles is good.

[Firebringer]

I know who is scum.


It's so obvious.

Slaol

There can be only one leader here.
I have designated myself as such.

Sheep follow me.

[Firebringer]

I can't tell if crypt double posted by accident or if it was in the theme of the game. I suggest we all double post from here on though

[deathworlds]

Firebringer

I'm tired of your "leading the town shit"

[Slaol]

I know who is scum.


It's so obvious.

Slaol

There can be only one leader here.
I have designated myself as such.

Sheep follow me.

I am FM Sheep, so how do I do that

[Slaol]

I can't tell if crypt double posted by accident or if it was in the theme of the game. I suggest we all double post from here on though

One is the day start and will stay the same. One is the thread starter and will be updated

[Firebringer]

@ Slaol seppuku at night to redeem yoursel

@death are you trying to challenge your leader? Where will that get you?

Nowhere!!

Also you must double post or ur vote is invalid, right crypt?

[Firebringer]

Double!

[deathworlds]

One of my roles is good.

This screams jester. Night kill him plz

[Firebringer]

I say we lynch instead, where's the second post?

[Slaol]

This screams jester. Night kill him plz

Close

[Firebringer]

I knew it!! He is cult!

[Firebringer]

Matt is too quiet.

I believe he is lurking.

Do I need to bring back the tradition?

[deathworlds]

So, do actions from game 1 only affect other actions from game 1? Attack / heal, roleblock etc.

How does sheriff work in this game?

[deathworlds]

So, do actions from game 1 only affect other actions from game 1? Attack / heal, roleblock etc.

How does sheriff work in this game?

Fuk color

[Cryptonic]

So, do actions from game 1 only affect other actions from game 1? Attack / heal, roleblock etc.

How does sheriff work in this game?

Attack, heal, and role block will affect both games. Pretty much all actions do, except mason, cult, and sheriff.

Sheriff will only check alignment of roles in the same game.

[deathworlds]

Last wills / deathnotes?

[Firebringer]

I want to make this clear.

I town leader for game A.

If you are mafia in game A. You are going down.
Not going to worry about cult, gonna clean house game A before cult becomes a issue

[Cryptonic]

Attack, heal, and role block will affect both games. Pretty much all actions do, except mason, cult, and sheriff.

Sheriff will only check alignment of roles in the same game.

Consigliere also only detects same game.

[Cryptonic]

Last wills / deathnotes?

Last wills allowed.
Deathnotes allowed for kills done by non-town.

[deathworlds]

I am prob just going to lurk.

[Firebringer]

Before you lurk vote Slaol.

[deathworlds]

I forgot jester doesn't exist

Firelord slaolzin

[deathworlds]

Ugh

Fire Lord Slaolzin

I miss your old name.

[Firebringer]

Fire Lord Slaolzin

I just noticed my vote wasn't on.

[MattZed]

Orpz, I believe Cryptonic needs to be paddled for not including the S-FM's number. (150?)

Did someone say sheep?

On the one hand, of the four completed games I've played with Hypersniper, we have never had the same alignment.

On the other hand, baaaaaah.

Fire Lord Slaolzin

[Slaol]

Just a glimpse into Staff Chat.

[8/3/15, 9:58:31 PM] Willem - Slaol: why feel fear

[Firebringer]

Just a glimpse into Staff Chat.

[8/3/15, 9:58:31 PM] Willem - Slaol: why feel fear

You tease.

[ika]

omfg this is boring already

[Slaol]

Ika

Confirmed scum based on my Sheriff check last night

[ika]

btw im a citizen in game 2 so recuit me plz

[deathworlds]

btw im a citizen in game 2 so recuit me plz

Cult that wants to waste a mason convert

[ika]

Cult that wants to waste a mason convert

you realize if im cult i get killed right?

[RLVG]

I am a citizen in one of the setups. Which one could it be? WIFOM

[RLVG]

I am certain a witch is in both setups.

[Stealthbomber16]

Can't stop, addicted to the shindig
Chop top, he says I'm gonna win big
Choose not a life of imitation
Distant cousin to the reservation
Defunct, the pistol that you pay for
This punk, the feeling that you stay for
In time, I want to be your best friend
Eastside love is living on the West End
Knock out, but boy you better come to
Don't die you know the truth is some do
Go write your message on the pavement
Burn so bright, I wonder what the wave meant

Kick start the golden generator
Sweet talk, but don't intimidate her
Can't stop the gods from engineering
Feel no need for any interfering
Your image in the dictionary
This life is more than ordinary
Can I get 2 maybe even 3 of these
Comin' from space
To teach you of the Pleiades
Can't stop the spirits when they need you
This life is more than just a read-through

[Stealthbomber16]

I am cult in game 2 and Mason in game 1

Call me Armadyus

[Stealthbomber16]

I am cult in game 2 and Mason in game 1

Call me Armadyus

Who wishes to become an Armadyus follower?

[RLVG]

I am cult in game 2 and Mason in game 1

Call me Armadyus

Lol, are you for real? You're such a dual-edged blade.

[RLVG]

Inb4 Stealth is actually a Mason in Game 2 and a Cult in Game 1.

[SuperJack]

Awesome. Both my roles are so cool, I don't know which night action to pick.

[RLVG]

Awesome. Both my roles are so cool, I don't know which night action to pick.

Is that a hint you're having two of the same roles?

[SuperJack]

Is that a hint you're having two of the same roles?

If they where, I would have a pretty boring objective.

[RLVG]

If they where, I would have a pretty boring objective.

Not boring if you're a double Vigilante.

[SuperJack]

Not boring if you're a double Vigilante.

Just shoot everyone. LOL.

[Firebringer]

Get on the Slaol wagon and you will get cake.

[Stealthbomber16]

Lol, are you for real? You're such a dual-edged blade.

Its pretty funny.

[Stealthbomber16]

Inb4 Stealth is actually a Mason in Game 2 and a Cult in Game 1.

That would be...

I wish I said that now.

[Firebringer]

Vote Slaol, get on this wagon.

Or the communists win.

[MattZed]

Vote Slaol, get on this wagon.

Or the communists win.
Not the commies!!!

Fire Lord Slaolzin

[Cryptonic]

**would players prefer day 1 to be 24 hours?**
You can respond here or PM me your answer

[deathworlds]

I would like day/night to be anti syncronized with fablewood tavern. (Day start in this game is night start and vice versa).

[Cryptonic]

I would like day/night to be anti syncronized with fablewood tavern. (Day start in this game is night start and vice versa).

Can't do that with 72 hour cycles

[Stealthbomber16]

I would like day/night to be anti syncronized with fablewood tavern. (Day start in this game is night start and vice versa).

fablewood?

[RLVG]

fablewood?

Witches are made out of wood, so I guess it's easy for one to mistake blood with wood.

[SuperJack]

I want this to stick full time. I need people to post more before they carry on

which is why I am posing this question:

Which do you want to win most? Game 1 or Game 2?

For me, it's game 1.

[Firebringer]

Game 1 also.

Cult games are harder to win. I never trust masons to bring it to victory either.


Super join us in lynching Slaol.

[Mikecall]

I think game 1 as it is so much easier to win than rather relying on the confirmed townies to be cultists.

[Slaol]

Your jimmies need to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtEOhj6b8XM)

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm a cult in game 1 so Game 1.

[RLVG]

I'm a cult in game 1 so Game 1.


I am cult in game 2 and Mason in game 1

Setup lacks jesters.

Stealthbomber16

[Slaol]

Real talk time.

I have a feeling Game 1 is going to be the primary game.

Mafia can easily kill off Cult or whatever as they go, and i figure scummy players are most likely to play that role when it comes to actions, so the odds of a Mafia waiting to win with Town in Game 2 seem low, especially since they could effectively be a Vigilante for Game 2.

Ok, this setup is actually weird.

Anyway, I have a feeling this is going to play like a 10 player game with 2 Mafia and 2 competing Mason groups. Honestly I just don't see what Cult even is other than a root with which to night chat as Town in Game 1.

Any thoughts on this?

I also think any Neutral is almost guaranteed to play the other role (unless also neutral), to have teammates. Solo-play is just so fucking awful of an experience.

[Stealthbomber16]

Setup lacks jesters.

Stealthbomber16

We'll call this the
Magikarp Scum Slip

[deathworlds]

Day end plz

[SuperJack]

Day end plz

No, not until I receive a serious answer from everyone.

[Stealthbomber16]

Awesome. Both my roles are so cool, I don't know which night action to pick.

the good one

[Stealthbomber16]

I want this to stick full time. I need people to post more before they carry on

which is why I am posing this question:

Which do you want to win most? Game 1 or Game 2?

For me, it's game 1.

But all serious, I really don't care.

[SuperJack]

Stealthbomber16

That sounds like a scum wording "I dont care"

[RLVG]

He could be scum of both factions maybe.

[SuperJack]

He could be scum of both factions maybe.

Then vote him up, stop being so passive.

[SuperJack]

lol you alerady did

[RLVG]

Then vote him up, stop being so passive.

lol you alerady did

Nawb

[Stealthbomber16]

Its more as a "I got a good role in both games so I don't care which one we prioritize."

And the cult/mason stuff wasn't true. Just more of my crappy gimmicks.

[SuperJack]

Its more as a "I got a good role in both games so I don't care which one we prioritize."

And the cult/mason stuff wasn't true. Just more of my crappy gimmicks.

Oh, now you are worried your gonna get pressured?

[Stealthbomber16]

Oh, now you are worried your gonna get pressured?

Who df claims cult day 1 no matter the setup?

[deathworlds]

I once hosted a game where slaol claimed MM day 1, when he was in fact MM.

He got away with it.

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm not slaol.

[RLVG]

I'm not slaol.

The gambit remains.

[deathworlds]

Why are we not lynching slaol?

Are RLVG and slaol teammates?

[RLVG]

Why are we not lynching slaol?

Are RLVG and slaol teammates?

It's day 1. We have no definitive clues.
Beside, I'm not the kind of player who buddies. Next theory plz.

Stealth is WIFOMing in a bad way.

[RLVG]

I'll rephrase that.

I think Stealth is scummy and deserves the vote that way.

[deathworlds]

The gambit remains.

Post in general discussion and i'll rep you.

[deathworlds]

Slaol already admitted to being scum in one of the games.

[Stealthbomber16]

Slaol already admitted to being scum in one of the games.

I'm not slaol.

[Slaol]

Slaol already admitted to being scum in one of the games.

When did I do that lol

[RLVG]

When did I do that lol

This is the only thing I can find regarding roles.


One of my roles is good.


Ika

Confirmed scum based on my Sheriff check last night

[deathworlds]

When did I do that lol

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27298-S-FM-133-Deaths-Deadly-Damned-Detroit/page3

[Slaol]

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27298-S-FM-133-Deaths-Deadly-Damned-Detroit/page3

What?

[RLVG]

What?

Always remember to hit the button top-right of each post. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27298-S-FM-133-Deaths-Deadly-Damned-Detroit?p=443395&viewfull=1#post443395)

[Cryptonic]

Night One

No one was lynched!

Fire Lord Slaolzin (3 [L-3]): Firebringer, deathworlds, MattZed
ika (1 [L-5]): Fire Lord Slaolzin
Stealthbomber16 (2 [L-4]): RLVG, SuperJack

Game A:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
Firebringer
RLVG
deathworlds
ika
SuperJack
Mikecall
Hypersniper
Stealthbomber16
Fire Lord Slaolzin
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any




Game B:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
Firebringer
RLVG
deathworlds
ika
SuperJack
Mikecall
Hypersniper
Stealthbomber16
Fire Lord Slaolzin
Cultist
Neutral
Mason
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any





Night 1 ends in 24 hours at 10:00 PM EST, August 6, 2015 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+pm+est+August+5+2015).
Night actions must be received at least one hour before Night ends.

[Cryptonic]

Day Two

Firebringer was killed last night. His role was Citizen/Citizen.
Slaol is evil, I can feel it in my balls.

Fire Lord Slaolzin was also killed last night. His role was Citizen/Cultist.
There was a note pinned to Slaol's body.
hello town i am a mafioso in game a and tonight i am being converted by the masons in game b. i will act to the best of my ability to kill cult and killing scum in game b. good luck

Game A:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
ika
SuperJack
Mikecall
Firebringer (#2)
Stealthbomber16
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Citizen)



Game B:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
ika
SuperJack
Mikecall
Firebringer (#2)
Stealthbomber16
Fire Lord Slaolzin
Cultist
Neutral
Mason
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Cultist)




Firebringer has replaced Hypersniper!

Day 2 ends in 48 hours at 10:00 PM EST, August 8, 2015 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+pm+est+August+5+2015).

With 8 players alive, it takes 5

[Cryptonic]

Day has begun.

[Firebringer]

So should I pretend I am hyper sniper?

It seems even in death, you cannot kill the sheriff jailor. For he rises again to aid the town.

[MattZed]

Sheriff in Game 1 here. Checked Stealthbomber16 last night. Just found out he's mafia.

Stealthbomber16

Get rekt.

Doc/Lookout on me.

[Firebringer]

I guess I am fire bringer #2.

You can call me fire jr.

I am the offspring of fire bringer and some random whore.

I am much better than my father at finding evil. Though he was right about Slaol.

[ika]

Stealthbomber16

[Firebringer]

Sheriff in Game 1 here. Checked Stealthbomber16 last night. Just found out he's mafia.

Stealthbomber16

Get rekt.

Doc/Lookout on me.
My father had a great amount if respect for you.

Because of that I will sheep this

Stealthbomber16

No one hammer till he has had made a defense.

[MattZed]

My father had a great amount if respect for you.

Because of that I will sheep this

Stealthbomber16

No one hammer till he has had made a defense.
Your father was a great man and a noble citizen.

[Firebringer]

And then the thread died.

So we know that no more cult exists in game B

Although it's possible the any random are cult or some variation.

Neutral could be witch.

[MattZed]

And then the thread died.

So we know that no more cult exists in game B

Although it's possible the any random are cult or some variation.

Neutral could be witch.
How to explain the two kills?

[deathworlds]

And then the thread died.

So we know that no more cult exists in game B

Although it's possible the any random are cult or some variation.

Neutral could be witch.

Two kills in 1 night.

We have a serial killer or two mafia bro.

I honestly suspect the serial killer tho.

[deathworlds]

So we already have the main scum faction defeated in game B.

anyone that doesnt want to transition to game B is scum.

[MattZed]

So we already have the main scum faction defeated in game B.

anyone that doesnt want to transition to game B is scum.
Disagree. Cult could still be alive. Also,

Better to weaken the threat in game A so we don't have game A win by surprise. It may also turn out that Game A is the game to win.

[deathworlds]

Disagree. Cult could still be alive. Also,

Better to weaken the threat in game A so we don't have game A win by surprise. It may also turn out that Game A is the game to win.

Doubt it.

Kills come before convertion.

[MattZed]

Doubt it.

Kills come before convertion.
Why are you so confident that none of the random anys were cult?

[deathworlds]

Why are you so confident that none of the random anys were cult?

Why do you seem more cult the more you post?

[MattZed]

Why do you seem more cult the more you post?
Try harder.

[deathworlds]

Try harder.

naaah

I don't really want to.

[Firebringer]

We'll the dn said he would try to kill cult, you say you found mafia.

We theoretically have easier time winning game b then 1.

I think the sk exists in game a though . More likely second cult in game 2

I don't think both cult and so are taking up slots on game 2. Though that's just my opinion.

I don't know. I still say we try to win game 1 and ignore game. 2

[deathworlds]

We'll the dn said he would try to kill cult, you say you found mafia.

We theoretically have easier time winning game b then 1.

I think the sk exists in game a though . More likely second cult in game 2

I don't think both cult and so are taking up slots on game 2. Though that's just my opinion.

I don't know. I still say we try to win game 1 and ignore game. 2

Sounds like scum trying to keep sheriff off him.

[MattZed]

Sounds like scum trying to keep sheriff off him.
Deathworlds throwing out the accusations.

I'll check the loyal sheep if I feel like it.

[Firebringer]

Sounds like scum trying to keep sheriff off him.

You going to interpret any post that disagrees with you as scum?


I guess you caught me. Me and MattZed are cult game B.

You are too clever for us death. (Do I have to point out that was sarcastic?)

[deathworlds]

You going to interpret any post that disagrees with you as scum?


????

[Firebringer]

Why with the????????

How would what I said keep sheriffs off him.

A sheriff from game 2 gains nothing from searching for mafia in game 1. Sheriff prolly will look at Matt regardless what I say.

[deathworlds]

Why with the????????

How would what I said keep sheriffs off him.

A sheriff from game 2 gains nothing from searching for mafia in game 1. Sheriff prolly will look at Matt regardless what I say.

????

I think I'm having a stroke I don't understand what you're getting at.

[Firebringer]

????

I think I'm having a stroke I don't understand what you're getting at.
We are on same page now. We should both seek medical help.

[MattZed]

We are on same page now. We should both seek medical help.

What part of doc on ME do you not understand?

[deathworlds]

What part of doc on ME do you not understand?

Sence you plan on using your sheriff role in game A.

What is your Game B role?

[Firebringer]

Sence you plan on using your sheriff role in game A.

What is your Game B role?

I advise no revealing in this.
I don't want scum or possible cult knowing any other possible for.

[Firebringer]

Information.

[MattZed]

Sence you plan on using your sheriff role in game A.

What is your Game B role?
This will be revealed at the appropriate time.

[Firebringer]

Assuming that dn on Slaol is accurate.

I wonder why the sk took me out when I said that we should focus game a.
I guess it could be that I was right that he is in game a though I don't think so.

Looking at setup more closely it seems that sk has to be in game 2.

Honestly the person I suspect most of killing my father the great fire bringer is deathworlds.

He was jealous of my dads looks.

[SuperJack]

Well, good news is I'M ALIVE.

Bad new is. TWO people died :(

Hello Ika. You gonna be active this game?

[SuperJack]

RLVG
deathworlds
Mikecall


I believe one of these people are a killer.

[RLVG]

So should I pretend I am hyper sniper?

It seems even in death, you cannot kill the sheriff jailor. For he rises again to aid the town.

LOL replace the Citizen/Citizen because they have no clue whatsoever.


Sheriff in Game 1 here. Checked Stealthbomber16 last night. Just found out he's mafia.

Stealthbomber16

Claims Sheriff who found Mafia. Curious of Game 2, why would the Sheriff want to out himself to easily?


RLVG
deathworlds
Mikecall


I believe one of these people are a killer.

"Believes" one of three named could be a killer.





What is the Kill flavor of Arsonist, Serial Killer, Vigilante, Mafia?

What roles are in / not in Any?

[Mikecall]

Well, good news is I'M ALIVE.

Bad new is. TWO people died :(

Hello Ika. You gonna be active this game?

On the other hand, a smaller cult for game B right?

[SuperJack]

On the other hand, a smaller cult for game B right?

True, But also 1 less town for game 1.

[MattZed]

So are people not voting because they don't want Stealth to be snipehammered, or do people actually not want to eliminate the mafia?

[Mikecall]

So are people not voting because they don't want Stealth to be snipehammered, or do people actually not want to eliminate the mafia?

Even if he might be mafia in Game A, what is it to show he could not be a useful role for game B?, you know, with cult out and good as dead.

[MattZed]

Even if he might be mafia in Game A, what is it to show he could not be a useful role for game B?, you know, with cult out and good as dead.
Let's not get too cocky about Game B, shall we? There could have been a second starting cult who then converted that night.

Unless I was witched last night, he's Mafia in Game A. That's more than enough to ask for his Game B role.

[Mikecall]

Let's not get too cocky about Game B, shall we? There could have been a second starting cult who then converted that night.

Unless I was witched last night, he's Mafia in Game A. That's more than enough to ask for his Game B role.

True, but we shouldn't get too enticed in game A also, what happens if something doesn't go according to plan, we got the other game as a backup to help us. So lets say there was another cultist in Game B like you mentioned, we also got a mason who can recruit and if big enough, purge the cultists.

[RLVG]

Since Firebringer replaced someone in the same game of them existing, I can only guess that no one has done anything to Firebringer other than that single killer.

I took a second look and there's no Executioner. There's no reason to gambit this.
Stealthbomber16

[Mikecall]

So we finish the day early with a final lynch or since we got tons of time remaining, delay it so more people can give evidence out.

[RLVG]

So we finish the day early with a final lynch or since we got tons of time remaining, delay it so more people can give evidence out.

I can get along with that, but in case of sniping we should be in L-2 range.


I'll vote when we agree upon an immediate lynch, or if there's another to pick in case of evidence.

[Stealthbomber16]

Hi. I dun goofed. I forgot to submit a night action last night.

Gonna open up my SFM and then come back and read.

[Stealthbomber16]

Holy crap MattZed.

Yes, I am Consort/Mason. Happy?
Now, I request that we focus on a town win in Game B. My partner is mafioso/citizen. He killed Slaol because he thought Slaol was scum. If you let us live, we can focus game B.

[RLVG]

Consort/Mason claims his partner is Mafioso/Citizen.

Setup :

Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any

Why shouldn't we lynch the two Mafia that's on the top? "Any" can be anyone.
This is also gambity as hell that his partner happens to be a "Citizen" and wasn't sendt for the kill so you could go and convert him to Mason that night.

Heck, it's a Mafioso with Citizen, you're the Consort. Logically, you act out a bad action / something else and he acts out the kill.

Stealthbomber16

[RLVG]

This is also gambity as hell that his partner happens to be a "Citizen" and wasn't sendt for the kill so you could go and convert him to Mason that night.

Heck, it's a Mafioso with Citizen, you're the Consort. Logically, you act out a bad action / something else and he acts out the kill.

Eh, pardon, I read wrong, he was the one to do the kill.
Which makes me question why he's still just a Citizen.

[RLVG]

Process of elemination who your partner is :

Votes :
MattZed, ika, Firebringer, RLVG

Matt accused you.
You gave a hint that your partner is active, so it's not Firebringer #2.

Mikecall stalls by waiting out the lynch for more evidence.


So we finish the day early with a final lynch or since we got tons of time remaining, delay it so more people can give evidence out.

SuperJack isn't all hinting on you being scum. He hints possibly seeing Mike visit someone.


Well, good news is I'M ALIVE.

Bad new is. TWO people died :(

Hello Ika. You gonna be active this game?


RLVG
deathworlds
Mikecall


I believe one of these people are a killer.



GG MIKECALL IS THE 2ND MAFIA

[RLVG]

Oh wait, I forgot about DW... Hmm.

[Mikecall]

So i am the second mafia you claim, whats wrong with trying to collect more evidence, i was going to do the final lynch but wanted to get other peoples opinions and gather a good database of evidence so i can suspect others for the next day after stealthbomber.

[Mikecall]

Oh wait, I forgot about DW... Hmm.

I didnt technically stall the lynch, was just stating the common facts, loads of time left of the day = more evidence to collect. More suspects for mafia and other neutral.

[RLVG]

After we eleminated the Mafia on Game 1, we can focus on both games with most threat gone.
The issue would be the 3x Any.

At best, Jack outs himself as an investigative, DW could contribute and out himself.
Ika is too lurkish, FB would rather keep his role unknown for a while.
MattZed shared his clues.



Any counter-arguments?

[Cryptonic]

LOL replace the Citizen/Citizen because they have no clue whatsoever.



Claims Sheriff who found Mafia. Curious of Game 2, why would the Sheriff want to out himself to easily?



"Believes" one of three named could be a killer.





What is the Kill flavor of Arsonist, Serial Killer, Vigilante, Mafia?

What roles are in / not in Any?

No flavor between kills
All roles are possible in Any

[RLVG]

No flavor between kills
All roles are possible in Any

Arsonist without a kill flavor? Daaaaamn.

I kinda expect a Cult in G1 now.

[Stealthbomber16]

I stated before I forgot to submit a night action.

I'm a mason.

He acts out the kill, correct. He also stated he wants to focus game B town victory. He also killed Slaol.

[RLVG]

I stated before I forgot to submit a night action.

Shitty excuse is shitty.

[Stealthbomber16]

I stated before I forgot to submit a night action.

I'm a mason.

He acts out the kill, correct. He also stated he wants to focus game B town victory. He also killed Slaol.

The fact that you are pushing the lynch on me honsetly makes me believe you are the neutral killing in game B.

RLVG

[RLVG]

Showerthoughts. What if you're actually a member of the Cult and using the Mason excuse to get away with it?

[RLVG]

Seriously, one with such an important role shouldn't skip their action and your Mafia friend could have done a reminder for you.

[RLVG]

The fact that you are pushing the lynch on me honsetly makes me believe you are the neutral killing in game B.

I find it most curious that you accuse me of being Neutral Killing based on wanting to lynch you, rather than Witch, Cult or anything else.

Hmm, I might want to reconsider your partner.

[ika]

will someone hammer already?

[RLVG]

will someone hammer already?

After that big silence, I guess he's making a new excuse or something...

[ika]

aslo i tihnk i have figured the first setup

[Firebringer]

Someone hammer this to hell!!!

[Mikecall]

So the verdict has been decided, 3 people want Stealthbomber dead so the final judgement shall be laid down on me.
stealthbomber

[Mikecall]

stealthbomber16

[The Godfather]

Stealthbomber16 has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Stealthbomber16 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/15807') (5 [L-0]): MattZed ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=502846'), ika ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=502848'), Firebringer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=502849'), RLVG ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=502966'), Mikecall ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=503002')
RLVG ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/6656') (1 [L-4]): Stealthbomber16 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=502986')

[Cryptonic]

Night Two

Stealthbomber16 was lynched! His role was Consort/Mason.

Stealthbomber16 (5 [L-0]): MattZed, ika, Firebringer, RLVG, Mikecall
RLVG (1 [L-4]): Stealthbomber16

Game A:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
ika
SuperJack
Mikecall
Firebringer (#2)
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Citizen)
Stealthbomber16 (Consort)



Game B:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
ika
SuperJack
Mikecall
Firebringer (#2)
Cultist
Neutral
Mason
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Cultist)
Stealthbomber16 (Mason)



Night 2 ends in 24 hours at 10:00 PM EST, August 10, 2015 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+pm+est+August+10+2015).
Night actions must be submitted at least one hour before night ends.

[Cryptonic]

Day Three

ika was killed last night. His role was Doctor/Citizen.

Game A:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
SuperJack
Mikecall
Firebringer (#2)
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Citizen)
Stealthbomber16 (Consort)
ika (Doctor)



Game B:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
SuperJack
Mikecall
Firebringer (#2)
Cultist
Neutral
Mason
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Cultist)
Stealthbomber16 (Mason)
ika (Citizen)



Day 3 ends in 48 hours at 10:00 PM EST, August 12, 2015 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+pm+est+August+12+2015).
With 6 players alive, it takes 4

[MattZed]

Oh, this started.

I checked ika last night because it seemed pretty clear that Mikecall was mafia and I wanted to confirm someone else.

Mikecall

[MattZed]

ALSO:

HALLELUJAH! IN MATTZED'S 7TH S-FM, HE EXPERIENCES A DAY 3.

[Firebringer]

ALSO:

HALLELUJAH! IN MATTZED'S 7TH S-FM, HE EXPERIENCES A DAY 3.
I don't believe it.

Host error.

[deathworlds]

Sheep cuz im tired and want to sleep.

Mikecall

[Firebringer]

We'll if Ika was here we would have instant hammer.

I'll taken his place.

First mike give defense, someone vote. Then I hammer.

[RLVG]

Someone roleblocked me.

Mikecall

Can we please avoid an awkward period of twilight zone? Took forever for Night to start lol.

[Firebringer]

Mikecall

So this is what it feels like to be Ika

[The Godfather]

Mikecall has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Mikecall ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12639') (4 [L-0]): MattZed ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=503694'), deathworlds ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=503697'), RLVG ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=503738'), Firebringer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=503739')

[Cryptonic]

Someone roleblocked me.

Mikecall

Can we please avoid an awkward period of twilight zone? Took forever for Night to start lol.

Sorry, I was going to do it at the 24 hour mark, but then I got busy and starting night at another time didn't work for me.

I'll reveal flip shortly.

[Cryptonic]

Game Over

Mikecall was lynched!. His role was Detective/Witch..

Game A:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
SuperJack
Firebringer (#2)
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Citizen)
Stealthbomber16 (Consort)
ika (Doctor)
Mikecall (Detective)



Game B:



Players
Roles
Graveyard


MattZed
RLVG
deathworlds
SuperJack
Firebringer (#2)
Cultist
Neutral
Mason
Town
Town
Town
Town
Any
Any
Any
Firebringer (Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Cultist)
Stealthbomber16 (Mason)
ika (Citizen)
Mikecall (Witch)




Game B has ended in Town victory!



MattZed (Sheriff/Citizen)
RLVG (Citizen/Vigilante)
deathworlds (Mafioso/Citizen)
SuperJack (Escort/Lookout)
Firebringer (#2) (Citizen/Sheriff)
Firebringer (Citizen/Citizen)
Fire Lord Slaolzin (Citizen/Cultist)
Stealthbomber16 (Consort/Mason)
ika (Citizen)
Mikecall (Detective/Witch)

Congratulations to MattZed, RLVG, deathworlds, Superjack, Firebringer, Stealthbomber16 and ika.

Looking back on my setup, I probably pieced this together at little too fast while on vacation.
I meant to make Mafioso unable to be team members in the same game. Making them Mason & Cult would've been fun.
I'm sad Cult died so quickly lol but that's the way she goes lol. I feel that if cult lived for another day or two, then everyone would've been suspicious of everything lol. Would've been a good time. Scum got really unlucky this game lol.
I made it so Vigilante couldn't become a killer when converted, and Detective/Witch so he would know who people visited regardless.

I think this would work better in a larger sized game, so I'll look into doing that maybe.. depending on feedback of how people liked the setup.

[Cryptonic]

I was also worried that adding more NK would destroy a 10 person game in a few turns lol.
I guess I should've added benign roles lol

[Stealthbomber16]

YAY!

[Cryptonic]

FYI....
I meant to make Mafioso unable to be team members in the same game.
means:
I meant to make Mafia unable to be confirmed on the same team in both games.


lol

Should've gone with my original plan and made it Mafioso/Sheriff lol

[Stealthbomber16]

2 scum in each game

good work crypt

[Cryptonic]

2 scum in each game

good work crypt

That's 4 scum night actions in a 10 person game lol

[RLVG]

So wait, Escort in Game 1 can roleblock a Game 2 Vigilante? Lol.

I killed Firebringer because I thought they were scum. Being Citizen/Citizen, maybe it was on purpose.
I also had plans to kill SuperJack for the scum gambit of trying to get a mislynch on me for "seeing me as a killer", with SJ naming 3 random players and Stealth saying that he thinks I'm the Neutral Killer.

I retracted by thought on Mikecall as he didn't seem Mafia to me anymore.



GG, only Slaol and Mike didn't win.

[Slaol]

I agree that it'd be better as a larger game. Cult needed some kind of defense though, which a larger game could have 2

[Cryptonic]

So wait, Escort in Game 1 can roleblock a Game 2 Vigilante? Lol.

I killed Firebringer because I thought they were scum. Being Citizen/Citizen, maybe it was on purpose.
I also had plans to kill SuperJack for the scum gambit of trying to get a mislynch on me for "seeing me as a killer", with SJ naming 3 random players and Stealth saying that he thinks I'm the Neutral Killer.

I retracted by thought on Mikecall as he didn't seem Mafia to me anymore.



GG, only Slaol and Mike didn't win.

Yes, all night actions target a person specifically. The only roles that target specific games are sheriff, cult and mason.
You can kill someone in both games, why can't someone block someone in both games :P

[Cryptonic]

I agree that it'd be better as a larger game. Cult needed some kind of defense though, which a larger game could have 2

Yea, I think this could work better. I also could've made a balanced 20 person game, and then random'd the roles between 10 people. Probably would've worked more effectively.

[RLVG]

You didn't even utilize that Any as scum, lol. It's all Town.

No mystery Arson, SK, Witch, only the default scum slots.

[deathworlds]

Do I get MVP? I literally did everything for town in game B.

[SuperJack]

So wait, Escort in Game 1 can roleblock a Game 2 Vigilante? Lol.

I killed Firebringer because I thought they were scum. Being Citizen/Citizen, maybe it was on purpose.
I also had plans to kill SuperJack for the scum gambit of trying to get a mislynch on me for "seeing me as a killer", with SJ naming 3 random players and Stealth saying that he thinks I'm the Neutral Killer.

I retracted by thought on Mikecall as he didn't seem Mafia to me anymore.



GG, only Slaol and Mike didn't win.

Question? Where you the killer? Yes. You where.
The names where not random. I saw Ika visit you. I was not a killer. Matzed used his sheriff power. Firebringer 2 was replaced so very unlikely a killer.

So it left 3 people to be killers. 2 of them where killers. And I assumed correctly you was a killer. Town killer, but you where Still a killer. Hence I roleblocked you.

I had both my lookout and escort powers provible at that point.

[Cryptonic]

You didn't even utilize that Any as scum, lol. It's all Town.

No mystery Arson, SK, Witch, only the default scum slots.

Yea, they were just meant to prevent role claims to help the cult and mafia.
But they were annihilated too quickly lol

[Cryptonic]

Hosting this did give me a better idea for a game like this, though. Sooo wasn't a total bust lol

[MattZed]

Hey guys, I lead the lynches on the two mafia that got us to victory...

...oh wait Mike wasn't mafia but it still ended the game wtf. I'm glad I didn't check him, now.

deathworlds

This man basically did all the hard work.

[Cryptonic]

I think maybe it would be good to have 2 mafia's instead of mafia & cult, and have an even mafia and an odd mafia.
Might bring more balance that way.
And many more Cit/Cits lol

[MattZed]

Make it a 20-person game where there are 10 survivors in each game, so everyone's more focused on their "main" game.

[deathworlds]

I think maybe it would be good to have 2 mafia's instead of mafia & cult, and have an even mafia and an odd mafia.
Might bring more balance that way.
And many more Cit/Cits lol

Experimental games, in my opinion should be 12-13 people.

Easier to balance I think.

[Cryptonic]

Experimental games, in my opinion should be 12-13 people.

Easier to balance I think.

Yea, it's true, they are easier to balance. lol

[Cryptonic]

Make it a 20-person game where there are 10 survivors in each game, so everyone's more focused on their "main" game.

rofl
or just put in like 5 jesters who don't kill anyone when they die.
so we have like 3 people trying to die because the other game isn't going their way.

[deathworlds]

rofl
or just put in like 5 jesters who don't kill anyone when they die.
so we have like 3 people trying to die because the other game isn't going their way.

Huehuehue you're giving me ideas crypt.

[Cryptonic]

So I did a quick setup that is basically the same, but added a jester and citizen(s).
2 Mafia instead of Mafia/Cult, and 1 Mafia kills even nights and other Mafia kills odd nights.

Does something like this seem more balanced?




Mafia
Mafia
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Escort
Citizen
Sheriff
Witch
Jester

Citizen
Citizen
Doctor
Citizen
Detective
Vigilante
Citizen
Citizen
Mafia
Mafia




Or would I need less TPR?
Hmm hard to say lol

[RLVG]

Question? Where you the killer? Yes. You where.
The names where not random. I saw Ika visit you. I was not a killer. Matzed used his sheriff power. Firebringer 2 was replaced so very unlikely a killer.

So it left 3 people to be killers. 2 of them where killers. And I assumed correctly you was a killer. Town killer, but you where Still a killer. Hence I roleblocked you.

I had both my lookout and escort powers provible at that point.

Yes, but I thought you were Mafia. That's the thing with Stealth guessing me as NK. You two could be allied as Mafia, which would lead to a relative quick Game 1 if I shot you lol.
(Too bad you were town)

You never confirmed Lookout, only named 3 random who could be killer. WIFOM, start of gambit pileup.


RLVG
deathworlds
Mikecall


I believe one of these people are a killer.





Crypt, you can have a normal Mafia setup and the dual-one being Reverse Mafia.
Ensure hillarity.

[SuperJack]

3 kills Per night. GG

[SuperJack]

Yes, but I thought you were Mafia. That's the thing with Stealth guessing me as NK. You two could be allied as Mafia, which would lead to a relative quick Game 1 if I shot you lol.
(Too bad you were town)

You never confirmed Lookout, only named 3 random who could be killer. WIFOM, start of gambit pileup.







Crypt, you can have a normal Mafia setup and the dual-one being Reverse Mafia.
Ensure hillarity.

I wasn't going to claim lookout D2 after seeing Ika visit you. Ika wasn't a killer, and unlikely a cult.
The plan was to reveal after I roleblocked you. Stating that there was no extra kill last night, and then sending in my lookout results from n1.

[SuperJack]

Wait, what, Only 1 game was won? I thought we had to win both games.

[RLVG]

I wasn't going to claim lookout D2 after seeing Ika visit you. Ika wasn't a killer, and unlikely a cult.
The plan was to reveal after I roleblocked you. Stating that there was no extra kill last night, and then sending in my lookout results from n1.

But your claim would be after my attack attempt. :p

I'd go for Mike if I didn't think of the scum connection between you and Stealth. Maybe Stealth just knew what to say to cause that effect.



Edit : Game A has a Mafia remaining.

[Cryptonic]

Wait, what, Only 1 game was won? I thought we had to win both games.

Nah that's impossible for most people to win both games lol
Yea, game ends when 1 of the win conditions were met. Which was supposed to make it a competition between cult/witch and mafia mainly lol

[Firebringer]

Holy shit.



RLVG

You killed me???? You traitor!!!!


Btw since i technically won twice, will that affect the ladder ???(

[deathworlds]

Nah that's impossible for most people to win both games lol
Yea, game ends when 1 of the win conditions were met. Which was supposed to make it a competition between cult/witch and mafia mainly lol

I shut em down bish.

[SuperJack]

Holy shit.



RLVG

You killed me???? You traitor!!!!


Btw since i technically won twice, will that affect the ladder ???(

Only 1 game had won lol.

All we had to do to win the other game, was to lynch the other Mafia. And then we would of won both games :(

[Cryptonic]

I shut em down bish.

yuh I should've made 2 cultists lol

[Cryptonic]

Only 1 game had won lol.

All we had to do to win the other game, was to lynch the other Mafia. And then we would of won both games :(

Haha but he was in the game twice :p

[Firebringer]

Hey guys, I lead the lynches on the two mafia that got us to victory...

...oh wait Mike wasn't mafia but it still ended the game wtf. I'm glad I didn't check him, now.

deathworlds

This man basically did all the hard work.
MattZed
You honor my fathered memory well Matt-san

[Firebringer]

Only 1 game had won lol.

All we had to do to win the other game, was to lynch the other Mafia. And then we would of won both games :(
I meant since I was playing two players Super lol

[Stealthbomber16]

deathworlds

For killing stuff.

[deathworlds]

yuh I should've made 2 cultists lol

It's mostly slaols fault tho, I only shot him because he said he was good in 1 of the games.

[Firebringer]

Hey crypt, who did Slaol try to convert anyway???

[Cryptonic]

Hey crypt, who did Slaol try to convert anyway???

I'd have to check again, but I'm pretty sure he didn't submit an action lol.
I didn't look very hard for a PM, though, as I saw he was getting raped.

[Cryptonic]

Yea, notta

[Mikecall]

And to think, if you guys didn't pull that lynch, could of won with you.

[Orpz]

shit who is Firebringer #2? Cross-referencing signups list makes me think it's Hypersniper.

[deathworlds]

shit who is Firebringer #2? Cross-referencing signups list makes me think it's Hypersniper.

Twas, he was replaced for inactivity.

[Slaol]

It's mostly slaols fault tho, I only shot him because he said he was good in 1 of the games.

I meant good as in one of my roles was Citizen.

[deathworlds]

I meant good as in one of my roles was Citizen.

I enterperated it as scum in 1 of the games.

And you werent apart of my mafia so I thought you were either a NK or Cult.

watch ur words breh

[Orpz]

I'lll wait a day for MVP stuff and post-game discussion before updating the ladder

[Firebringer]

Do I get two wins?

I technically played two people :)

[Orpz]

Do I get two wins?

I technically played two people :)

How did that work?

For caution's sake, I did not give you two wins on the ladder.

Which has been updated. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27398-S-FM-Ladder)

[Slaol]

How did that work?

For caution's sake, I did not give you two wins on the ladder.

Which has been updated. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27398-S-FM-Ladder)

I seem lower than I should be. Feel free to fix that.